WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:03.879 Latest interview of Elon Musk talking about the DOGE. Here's 2 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.200 the episode. 3 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.119 What was your first thought on how DOGE was going 4 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:08.880 to proceed? 5 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:16.320 Well, I guess I couldn't believe I was there for 6 00:00:16.359 --> 00:00:16.920 the most part. 7 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:17.440 It's like. 8 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:23.039 It's all seemed extremely surreal at the time. You know, 9 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:27.079 DOGE was a made up name that had been made 10 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:31.320 up I don't know, two or three months before and 11 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:38.520 based on internet suggestions. And I was going to call 12 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:43.320 it the Government Efficiency Commission, and then someone on the 13 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:45.240 Internet said no, it should be the Department of Governed 14 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:54.719 Efficiency d OG. Like that sounds great. So we just 15 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:55.840 kind of made up an apartment. 16 00:00:56.719 --> 00:00:58.119 Do you think you were successful. 17 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:01.520 We're a little bit successful. 18 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:09.359 We were somewhat successful. I mean we stopped a lot 19 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:15.480 of funding for that that really just made no sense, 20 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:20.799 that was just entirely wasteful. Where it was like, for example, 21 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:24.840 there was like probably one hundred maybe two hundred million 22 00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:29.319 dollars with the zombie payments per year, which simply by 23 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:39.480 enforcing that there'd be a payment code and an explanation 24 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:43.640 for the payment, that the payment would not go out. 25 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:48.200 So we've made that change to the main Treasury computer 26 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:52.439 and a bunch of other computers. It's like, it seems 27 00:01:52.439 --> 00:02:01.120 like insanely obvious, but there are just call it a 28 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:03.680 two or three percent of government payments that go out 29 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:08.759 that really should not be going out, and it's actually 30 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:16.800 quite hard to stop. So it's a pretty rare individual 31 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:24.719 that would ask the government to stop sending them money. 32 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:26.039 Would you ever do doge again? 33 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:29.039 Do you mean would I repeat history? 34 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:32.360 Or would I Two ways to think about it. 35 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:34.639 One is if you could go back and start from scratch, 36 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:37.080 like it's January twentieth all again, would you go back 37 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.800 and do it differently and knowing what you know now? 38 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:42.840 Do you think there's ever a place to restart. 39 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:44.080 You? 40 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:45.560 Not saying others in your. 41 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:50.800 Stead you go back and restart doing dosh? 42 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:56.000 I mean no, I don't think so. I think probably 43 00:02:58.520 --> 00:02:58.960 I don't know. 44 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:02.360 Would you do doge again? Knowing what you know now? 45 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:05.800 I mean the thing is like I think instead of 46 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:12.800 doing doorge, I would have basically built, you know, worked 47 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:16.719 in my companies essentially so and not and the cars 48 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:18.599 they wouldn't have been burning the cars. 49 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:21.319 You gave up a lot to do. 50 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:24.360 Do. Yeah. 51 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:26.400 Yeah, Like if you if you if you stop money 52 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:33.280 going to uh going going for political corruption, they will 53 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:40.120 they will lash out big time. So they really want 54 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:46.280 the money to keep blowing. So if you stop it 55 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:51.159 from flowing, there's like a very strong reaction to to 56 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:52.159 stopping the money. 57 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:54.120 Flowing for a while. 58 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:57.479 Did you become disillusioned with how it operates? 59 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:02.599 But I wouldn't say I was super illusioned to begin with. 60 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:06.560 I mean, I guess it's just like you really want 61 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:10.680 the least amount done by government possible, the least amount. 62 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:15.680 I guess maybe maybe, Like the biggest thing is that 63 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:20.319 I guess the biggest single thing is is that there 64 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:29.480 are massive transfer payments going to legal immigrants, like massive. 65 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:33.079 Essentially we're paying people to come here from somewhere else 66 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:39.720 in vast numbers, including flying them in, so like it's 67 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:41.639 not like you need a border wall if you're flying 68 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:50.240 them in then fast tracking them to citizenship and making 69 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:58.759 them beholden to just government payments and and voting hard left. 70 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:03.000 That's that's essentially it's like voter importation. 71 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:05.839 If if if you if you create. 72 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:11.560 A gigantic money magnet two, as you say, if anyone 73 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:13.920 comes here from anywhere else, we're gonna pay you tons 74 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:18.360 of money, give you lots of free stuff. Come come, 75 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:25.600 come to America and get paid to do so, Like 76 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:27.360 you're going to get a lot of people taking up 77 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:31.360 on that offer. When people say like this, this, this 78 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:36.680 is fake, I'm like, actually, well, let's look at you 79 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:41.560 know elan Omar, who was literally was voted into power, 80 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:46.680 voted into Congress by uh, you know, a large group 81 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:49.959 of people from Smalia who are in Minnesota, which is 82 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:56.319 really far from Somalia. Or mom Donnie who was voted 83 00:05:56.360 --> 00:06:01.759 as to me mayor but if if but by a 84 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:09.079 majority of people who are not born in America, does 85 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:15.839 minostatic at least so and then then California, say a 86 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:22.319 big time situation. So I don't know, we just still 87 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:29.399 want to turn into a you know, communist hellhole. 88 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:32.639 Basically, you've said in the future that no one's going 89 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:36.240 to need to worry about money or work because AI 90 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:39.040 is going to take care of the rest AI and robotics. 91 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:40.839 What do you mean that people won't have to work 92 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:41.360 in the future. 93 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:46.639 Assuming the current trend of artificial intelligence and robotics continues, 94 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:51.879 which seems likely, the AI and robots will be able 95 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:56.680 to do anything that that humans want to want them 96 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:02.519 to do. Essentially, so hopefully not than that. But AI 97 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:08.160 and robotics will be able to provide us provide all 98 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:12.040 the goods and services that anyone could possibly want, So. 99 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.319 You wouldn't need to work. What would you do with 100 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:15.879 your free time? 101 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:20.199 People will be able to whatever they want with their 102 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:26.160 free time. Work will be optional. I'm just want to 103 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:28.800 separate out from like what I wish would happen versus 104 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.040 what I predict will happen, because people get confused about that. 105 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:33.199 They think that what I predict will happen is what 106 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:35.279 I want it to happen. What I want what I 107 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:36.680 predict to happen is not the same as what I 108 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:43.360 want to happen. If I could, I would, I would 109 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:49.279 certainly slow down AI and robotics, but I can't. It 110 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:54.800 seems to be well, it's it's advancing at a very 111 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:57.240 rapid pace, whether I. 112 00:07:57.240 --> 00:07:57.680 Like it or not. 113 00:07:58.199 --> 00:07:59.519 Is AI what keeps you up at night? 114 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:04.079 It used to be at this point, I don't know. 115 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:08.600 I wouldn't say there's there's nothing particularly keeping me up 116 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:15.600 at night right now except that, But do you say, what? 117 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:17.040 What? Why do I wake up in nightmares? Oh? 118 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:22.160 Yeah, yeah, I actually I've had a lot of AI nightmares. 119 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:29.879 I had AI nightmares many days in a row. What 120 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:30.959 am I supposed to do about it? 121 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:32.919 What's your biggest irrational fear? 122 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:37.320 I try not to have irrational fears. 123 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:38.159 None. 124 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:43.759 If I find an irrational fear, I squell shit. I 125 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:48.399 don't believe fear is fear is the mind killer. So 126 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:52.320 I'm about somebody who feels fear strongly on average? 127 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:53.559 How many hours do you sleep the night? 128 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:55.000 Six? 129 00:08:55.399 --> 00:08:59.240 You can tell, but based on my exposts, yes you can. 130 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:03.279 People have actually map them. It's very clear when I'm 131 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:08.360 sleeping around'm on. I tried having less than six hours sleep, 132 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:13.080 but although I'm awake more hours per day, my cognitive 133 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:17.840 function is reduced, so my natural sleep and actually timed 134 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:18.399 it with the phone. 135 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:19.559 They can get a phone app. 136 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:22.960 To time it. It's like five hours fifty six minutes. 137 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:25.320 That's what the phone said. 138 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:27.279 What's an average day for you? 139 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:27.720 Look like? 140 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:34.200 Well, I have a lot of inbound communication, so it's 141 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:38.480 information trioge. I try to segment the days so that 142 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:42.879 there's not too much context switching, because arguably fear is 143 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:46.080 not the mind and killer. Context switching is. It's hard 144 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:49.360 enough to context switch if you've got an inbox full 145 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:54.039 of stuff, but you can think of, like if you 146 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:58.799 have to context switch every three seconds or every thirty 147 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:04.679 seconds or every three minutes, the context switching cognitive penalty 148 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:07.399 would be very high every three seconds. 149 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:10.240 And you're talking about switching between say Tesla. 150 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:14.519 X x AI SpaceX Personal, SpaceX Personal. 151 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:18.600 But even within Tesla and SpaceX there are many different 152 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:22.080 things and this sort of the stuff on X like 153 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:26.240 random news things, you know, people being bunt alive and 154 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:28.399 stuff like that, and like, what the hell is going 155 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:29.120 on in this country? 156 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:31.480 Who's the funniest person you know? In real life? 157 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:35.639 You know, President Trump is very funny. He's got a 158 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:36.399 great sense of humor. 159 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:38.480 President Trump is very funny. 160 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:42.559 They're very funny. It's like naturally funny, but it's somewhat effortless. 161 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:46.559 I mean, you know when he has had at mcdanie 162 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:51.159 in the office and they asked him if he still 163 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:53.879 thought the president was fascist, and the President said, just 164 00:10:53.879 --> 00:11:03.559 say yes, it's easier that way, don't worry about it. 165 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:11.159 He's like, you, guys, what a how silly? 166 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:13.399 Who do you look up to the most? 167 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:14.759 The Creator? 168 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:17.480 What's your current position on God? 169 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:20.840 God is the Creator? 170 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:22.679 You don't believe in God though, do you? 171 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:23.519 Well? 172 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:28.240 I believe there was this universe came for something. People 173 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:29.120 have different labels. 174 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:32.600 When's the last time you did something extremely ordinary like 175 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:34.039 go to Target or CBS. 176 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:39.720 I can't go to Thanks with as the general public because. 177 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:46.639 I you meet there, there's an immediate can I have 178 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:47.879 a selfie line? 179 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:49.840 That forms in these. 180 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:53.399 Days, particularly in light of Charlie Cook's motor there are 181 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:56.440 serious security issues. 182 00:11:57.559 --> 00:11:59.240 It's not that I don't want to, I simply can't. 183 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:04.320 Has Charlie's murder changed how you do things? Or were 184 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:06.240 you already locked down pretty fall before that? 185 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:12.320 It certainly reinforced the severity of the situation where life 186 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:15.000 is on hardcore mode. You make one mistake in your dad, 187 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:17.159 it only takes one mistake. 188 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:20.480 What's one moment in your life that you could live 189 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:23.000 again just to feel it well? 190 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:24.720 I mean, I see when my kids are born, or 191 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:31.879 the first time SpaceX got to orbit, or tells the 192 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:33.960 made electric car work. 193 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:36.279 You've had a big lot of them. 194 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:40.720 It's a lot of things. There's luck coming down the pike, 195 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:43.600 like what starship. 196 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:47.279 They agree to. 197 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:50.840 Which a starship is a revolutionary technology is not well 198 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:57.480 understood in the world. It's the first time that there's 199 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:02.320 been any rocket design where full and rapid reausability as 200 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:07.600 possible or full reasonbility at all as possible. This is 201 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:13.440 the first design where a reusable rocket. It's one of 202 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:15.440 the possible archives. Whay success is in a set of 203 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:16.320 possible orcoms? 204 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:18.720 Are you talking about in V three or B two? 205 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:21.120 Well, we could have made V two. 206 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:28.080 Reusable, but the but there were a lot of performance 207 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:31.039 improvements for V three, so it made sense to go 208 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:36.080 to V three. They're just there's like ten thousand different 209 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:39.200 changes between B two and B three, maybe more than 210 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:48.759 ten thousand really so, but starship, if there are historians 211 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:50.840 in the future of we'll look back and a starship 212 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:52.399 and say it was one of the most profound things 213 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:57.080 that ever happened. Now you can think of historic events 214 00:13:57.279 --> 00:14:02.840 as where would they fit on the in the evolutionary 215 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:07.120 Hall of fame. So you've got things like a single 216 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:12.240 cell life. Then you've got you know, multi cellular life 217 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:18.120 capturing a mitochondria capturing mitochondria so that you have a 218 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:19.960 power cell in the plant in the cell. 219 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:22.799 You've got like a power plant in the cell. 220 00:14:25.240 --> 00:14:29.399 You've got you know, differentiation into plants and animals, life 221 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:34.159 going from oceans to land and then also on that scale, 222 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:39.799 probably in the top ten is life becoming multiplanetary. There 223 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:42.799 just aren't very many things that are in the top 224 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:47.720 ten of the evolution of life or where you could 225 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:52.919 basically say you could evaluate any given civilization or any 226 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:56.759 given life form as you know, on that. 227 00:14:58.399 --> 00:14:59.159 On that scale. 228 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:06.360 So life becoming multiplanetary, it's on the top ten. It 229 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:08.840 needs to be sustainably multip multiplanetary. So I'm not just 230 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:19.559 visiting but actually multiplanetary in the sense that if you 231 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:24.159 have planetary redundancy, so if one of the planets, if 232 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:26.039 they were to be a catastrophe one of the planets, the. 233 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:27.240 Other planet would spive. 234 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:29.279 All of your country. 235 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:32.960 Starship is capable during that for the first time in history, 236 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:35.320 and no AI was used to create it, So I 237 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:36.200 will appreciate that. 238 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:40.320 Are all of your companies working towards that same goal 239 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:46.399 to help us become multiplanetary? Like does the AI exist 240 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:48.879 to be able to help life on Mars or is 241 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:53.200 that primarily for what is happening here currently? 242 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:55.120 You know tells us. 243 00:15:55.080 --> 00:16:00.600 Mostly about making sure life on Earth is good as 244 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:04.799 an NXAI is about that too, because multiplanetary means Earth's 245 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:07.080 got to be good and you need another planet. Sometimes 246 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:14.879 people think, because they have you know, legacy templates, mental templates, 247 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:18.639 they think that going to Mars is an escape from 248 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:23.320 Earth and like order that there would be some you know, 249 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:25.360 a place where billionaires would go or something like that. 250 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:30.159 But actually Mars will be very dangerous and the Moon 251 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:33.799 base will be also dangerous, much more dangerous and much 252 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:37.159 less comfortable than Earth. So the people that would go 253 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:40.120 in the early days to make life multiplanetary and Mars 254 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:41.240 or the Moon. 255 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:45.279 They would have a much higher risk of death. 256 00:16:46.759 --> 00:16:50.080 Than if then if they stayed on Earth, and things 257 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:54.360 would be cramped and uncomfortable. So that's that's the sales 258 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:58.320 pitch for Mars. It's going to be uncomfortable, the food 259 00:16:58.360 --> 00:17:02.840 won't be as good as Earth. You might die, it's 260 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:06.359 going to be a massive amount of hard work, and 261 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:08.240 it may not succeed. 262 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:11.319 That's the sales pitch. Do you want to go? 263 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:13.359 Same when people came to America. 264 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:15.240 Yeah, you didn't want to be in Jamestown. 265 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:18.640 People went anyway. 266 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:18.960 Yeah. 267 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:20.839 Maybe if they've been social media back then, they would 268 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:25.799 have saying we're all dying. Here's videos of us dying. 269 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:31.960 Would have probably put a damp around future voyages. But yeah, 270 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:34.000 there's a whole bunch of people just dispear. You don't 271 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:34.680 know what happened to them. 272 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:38.920 You talk a lot about X about wardrobe and how 273 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:40.960 you wish current wardrobe would be differently. 274 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:45.359 I just think like from a fashion standpoint, we should evolve. 275 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:50.559 It's like my son Saxon said at one point, why 276 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:53.480 does everything look like it's twenty fifteen. I was like, 277 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:56.319 damn things do everything does look like it's twenty fifteen. 278 00:17:57.319 --> 00:17:59.039 It's like if you took a picture from twenty fifteen 279 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:02.720 and send twenty twenty five, it looks exactly the same. 280 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:07.119 There were Stylistically, things are the same as twenty fifteen. 281 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:09.680 We have not We have not moved the needle in 282 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:10.599 a decade. 283 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:12.359 So what should it look like? 284 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:13.640 Something new? 285 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:17.359 You know, like the sixties had a definitive style, the 286 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:20.720 seventies had a definitive style, the eighties had a definitive style, 287 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:24.759 and then the nineties also had a different style. 288 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:26.960 But then you start looking at. 289 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:29.599 The two thousands and the twenty tens, and it's like 290 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:33.119 less and less every year. I think we should before 291 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:37.759 of our style. And if you'll get some of the 292 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:46.279 older paintings, you know past cabinet secretaries, some of them 293 00:18:46.279 --> 00:18:49.279 like they look cool, Like their jackets are cooler than 294 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:50.359 what we have right now. 295 00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:52.839 You know, they have sort of like a high collar. 296 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:55.480 And like a sort of I don't know what some 297 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:58.400 sort of what do you cool those things? Ascot or 298 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:02.759 something like that. This looks cool, like so we don't. 299 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:06.480 Everything's like a very normal looking suit at this point, 300 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:10.359 but like literally the same as twenty fifteen. I'm being 301 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:13.680 generous because augilbly the same as twenty ten. So in 302 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:16.839 fifteen years and I'm like, from a fashion standpoint, I 303 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:17.279 don't think. 304 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:22.440 We've moved since two thousand. In twenty five years. 305 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:24.839 If you showed someone a picture of this is a 306 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:26.880 bunch of there's a bunch of dudes in twenty two thousand, 307 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:28.839 there's a bunch of dudes in twenty twenty five. 308 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:33.279 Which year is which? So I think we should I 309 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:35.599 don't know, spice it up a little. 310 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:37.519 What's a conspiracy theory? 311 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:40.480 If you like this episode, just like share and follow 312 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:42.839 this podcast. Thank you. Back to the show. 313 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:44.240 Can you believe in? 314 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:47.960 I mean, which conspiracy theories haven't come true at this point? 315 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:50.880 If we're not out of conspiracy theories, that because it 316 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:54.480 will come true as far as I can tell. I mean, 317 00:19:56.599 --> 00:19:58.559 I don't know if any aliens. People always asked me 318 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:02.400 if there are aliens. I have seen no evidence of aliens. 319 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:11.000 No one on the SpaceX Senior team has any evidence 320 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:12.920 of aliens, because I've asked him, like, guys, am I 321 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:19.400 missing something? Has anyone on the team? Has anyone seen 322 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:20.359 any evidence of aliens? 323 00:20:20.359 --> 00:20:21.599 Does that include UFOs? 324 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:24.079 That's just an unidentified blank object. 325 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:29.920 So so UFOs like it could be like some new 326 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:34.160 weapons program or whatever that's you know, some hypersonic missile 327 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:34.680 or something. 328 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:36.839 Like that, that that. 329 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:39.480 Will be technically a UFO, but it's it's just it's 330 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:41.759 just basically some weapons prototype. 331 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:44.839 It's not. It's not like aliens. 332 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:50.759 So although Neil Armstrong Neil A spelled backwards as alien. 333 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:57.279 Coincidence, you believe we actually went to the moon? 334 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:01.720 Yes, went to the moon a few times actually and 335 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:04.440 played golf on the moon. Yeah, we didn't just go 336 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:09.480 to the moon. We actually got a little board and 337 00:21:09.599 --> 00:21:11.079 started playing golf on the moon. 338 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:14.240 But why didn't the flag move? There's like that constuct 339 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:16.880 I was to jump the talk moment about the flag. 340 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:20.359 No, the playing golf on the moon Okay, yeah, I 341 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:21.319 literally did no. 342 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:22.000 I understand that. 343 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:26.519 Yeah, wead golf. Well on the moon is there? 344 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:27.680 There's no gravity though, right. 345 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:31.000 So there is gravity one six If it wasn't gravity, 346 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:35.519 you just float away. There's no atmosphere, fair, but there 347 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:38.119 is one sixth gravity. 348 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:40.119 What's the biggest misconception about you? 349 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:44.160 I don't know, how would I know? 350 00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:46.440 What? 351 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:47.440 What do you think? 352 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:50.920 I think it's I get asked this a lot when 353 00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:54.359 I do interviews about you. Me, Oh, I got everyone 354 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:56.599 always thinks you're a very difficult person to work for. 355 00:21:57.200 --> 00:21:59.559 Oh, but you're I think you're very kind. 356 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:03.880 Thanks Like people think which you're you are like a 357 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:05.200 very demanding boss. 358 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:07.559 I think that you are. I've never heard you yell 359 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:08.720 at any employee. 360 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:09.160 Yeah. 361 00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:12.000 I think every employee who works at every single one 362 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:14.759 of your companies is incredibly mission driven, which is unlike 363 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:18.480 any other workplace I've ever seen. Like Starbase is the 364 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:21.079 most inspirational place you'll ever go to. Right, everyone is 365 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:24.039 there to work on a singular goal. And so I think, 366 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:28.599 to me, the biggest misconception about you is how every 367 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:32.559 employee at all of your companies are fiercely loyal because 368 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:36.279 it's all mission driven. And you are a very good 369 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:40.039 employer to work for, and I think people assume you're not. 370 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:41.839 All right. 371 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:49.680 Well, why would they think anyone would work at the companies? Yeah, 372 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:53.079 I mean talent. I mean talented people can go work 373 00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:57.440 anywhere they want. So they're only going to work at 374 00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:02.000 one of my companies if if they want to, and 375 00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:03.960 if they're mistreated in some. 376 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:06.319 Way, they would they would leave and go work somewhere else. 377 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:09.119 How'd you come up with the idea for starbas. 378 00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:15.000 Well, I think we needed a something inspirational. 379 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:16.720 I can't wait. 380 00:23:16.839 --> 00:23:18.519 We kind of have a lot of star things, you know, 381 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:23.880 so we get Starlink Starship. Well, where would starship depart 382 00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:30.079 from star Base? I mean a star base is as 383 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:33.079 you mentioned, it's it's like I think it's probably the 384 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:37.440 coolest place on Earth. I agree. And it used to 385 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:40.519 it used to be a sand bar down by the 386 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:43.319 Rio Grande. I mean it's only like three feet above 387 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:50.599 sea level. So we built a gigantic rocket factory and 388 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:58.519 two giant launch towers down by the river, literally within 389 00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:02.160 side of the Rio grand and on on on. An 390 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:05.559 actual sandbar kind of had to have like an inspirational name, 391 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:07.920 and then we made it a city. 392 00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:13.720 So it's an incorporated city, like legally a city. You 393 00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:15.960 don't you don't hear about new cities being formed that often. 394 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:20.119 The last time there was a company town it was 395 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:20.759 disney World. 396 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:23.400 Yeah. 397 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:27.279 I think Ford had some kind of like company town situations, 398 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:33.119 but but yeah, just disney World is it's literally its name. 399 00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:37.240 Yeah, I'm Walt Disney. This is my world. I've gone 400 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:40.119 from land to World. 401 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:44.160