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<v Speaker 1>It's Night with Dan Ray. I'm telling you easy Boston's video.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back everyone. For the last couple of days, all

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<v Speaker 2>of us have learned about an app called Signal. It

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<v Speaker 2>was used by leaders of the Trump administration in advance

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<v Speaker 2>of the military attacks on Yemen on Saturday, actually a

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<v Speaker 2>few days even before, on Saturday, March fifteenth, and it

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<v Speaker 2>came to everyone's attention because a journalist by the name

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<v Speaker 2>of Jeff Goldberg, who's the editor in chief of The

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<v Speaker 2>Atlantic magazine. I assume, and I guess you should never assume,

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<v Speaker 2>but inadvertently included on that chat. And so trying to

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<v Speaker 2>figure this out and trying to explain it to all

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<v Speaker 2>of you, some of whom have never probably downloaded an app,

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<v Speaker 2>I decided today to reach out to a wonderful guy

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<v Speaker 2>named Hiawatha Bray, who you know from the Boston Globe,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's nobody in the world who I think would

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<v Speaker 2>probably know more about this and also could explain to

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<v Speaker 2>us exactly what it is and what the implications of

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<v Speaker 2>this whole set of circumstances are than Hiawatha Bray. So

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<v Speaker 2>let me welcome Hiawatha Bray back to Nightside. Hiawatha. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>so much for being available tonight. How are you my friend?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>It was either this or watch another episode of the

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<v Speaker 4>Law and Order Marathon, so I talked to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, thank you. Of course it could have been

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<v Speaker 2>a Bruin's hockey game and those they're on in six

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<v Speaker 2>game losing streak, so those, yeah, that's start. It would know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a good time to start, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So first of all, let me let me start off

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<v Speaker 2>with just a couple of basic questions. Uh, I had

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<v Speaker 2>never I'm going to admit I had never heard of

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<v Speaker 2>this app before the last few days. I do not

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<v Speaker 2>have anywhere near the expertise that you have, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>kind of starting to find out. This has been around,

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<v Speaker 2>like for ten or fifteen years. Is that true?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, that is absolutely right. It was created. It is

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<v Speaker 4>actually a product that was created by a nonprofit. It

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<v Speaker 4>is open source. Anyone can get at the software. It's

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<v Speaker 4>open so that the code can be inspected by people,

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<v Speaker 4>and the whole idea was to create a messaging platform

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<v Speaker 4>that was very secure and at the same time very

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<v Speaker 4>easy to use. It features a technology that actually a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of us use every day, but often our chats

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<v Speaker 4>don't have it. It's called end to end encryption. That

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<v Speaker 4>means that the moment you put something into signal and

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<v Speaker 4>send it to somebody else's signal, for the entire path,

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<v Speaker 4>it's encrypted. Like sometimes it used to be you would

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<v Speaker 4>go to a web page and the data was not

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<v Speaker 4>encrypted as it went over the Internet, and if somebody

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<v Speaker 4>was listening in, they could get that. Nowadays, most major

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<v Speaker 4>websites also use end to end encryption, but a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of chat services like on your phone, do not. That's

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<v Speaker 4>finally starting to change. But signal is one of the

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<v Speaker 4>things that started that. You chat on signal, it's all encrypted.

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody so far as I know, has ever cracked a

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<v Speaker 4>signal message. They've never gotten in. But what happens if

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<v Speaker 4>somebody is led in accidentally. That's what happened in this

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<v Speaker 4>case for some reason. It apparently it was Mike Waltz,

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<v Speaker 4>who is what is He's a national security advisor. There

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<v Speaker 4>are so many of these guys tied in here. He

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<v Speaker 4>was a national security advisor, and somehow he had the

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<v Speaker 4>journalist Jeffrey Goldberg, who is the editor in chief of

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<v Speaker 4>the Atlantic, among the people he has listed in his directory.

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<v Speaker 4>So apparently he's communicated with him before on signal and

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<v Speaker 4>he accidentally hooked him up to this chat. And here's

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<v Speaker 4>this guy. He is one of the he's an editor

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<v Speaker 4>in chief for one of the nations leading magazine, Lo

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<v Speaker 4>the Waly an excellent magazine. I recommend it to everybody

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<v Speaker 4>if you want articles on every conceivable subject from every

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<v Speaker 4>conceivable point of view, liberal, conservative, all kinds of different

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<v Speaker 4>points of view.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's probably sure to say that Jeffrey Goldberg is

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<v Speaker 2>not a huge fan from what I've read.

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<v Speaker 4>About Donald to Oh, no, not at all. Yes, fine, right,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's not his fault. I mean, he's just sitting

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<v Speaker 4>there and he starts getting these messages and it includes

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<v Speaker 4>this thread of messages that include a bunch of the

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<v Speaker 4>National security team talking about these air strikes, and he

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<v Speaker 4>knew he shouldn't be getting it. But I guess he,

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<v Speaker 4>like any good journalists, realized this is not something that

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<v Speaker 4>I should be receiving, and that very fact is a

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<v Speaker 4>news story. So I'm going to just keep collecting this information.

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<v Speaker 4>And of course you know what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I think initially how it was he wasn't sure if

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<v Speaker 2>he was being pranked.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right. He first thought it was some kind of

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<v Speaker 4>a gag, and then he kept reading and reading, and

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<v Speaker 4>he decided this must be for real. And then they

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<v Speaker 4>started sending detailed information about this air strike against the

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<v Speaker 4>Hooties that they carried out a few days ago, and

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<v Speaker 4>he realized this was for real and that the information

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<v Speaker 4>he was getting was coming. In fact, he realized it

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<v Speaker 4>was for real the air strikes happened because two hours

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<v Speaker 4>before the air strike happened was when he was reading

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<v Speaker 4>these texts, and then two hours later all the stuff

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<v Speaker 4>that had been in the text had happened, and he realized,

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<v Speaker 4>my goodness, this is real. He saved it all, did

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<v Speaker 4>an article for The Atlantic, but deliberately. In that first

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<v Speaker 4>article he said, I'm not going to tell you all

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<v Speaker 4>the military stuff because it could be dangerous. It could

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<v Speaker 4>expose American military forces to some risk. And the next thing,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, people in the Trump administrations are saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>he's lying, he's lying, this didn't happen. And then he said, fine,

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<v Speaker 4>do you want me to release this stuff since it's

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<v Speaker 4>not real, And basically they ended up agreeing to let

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<v Speaker 4>him release it. I think he redacted one thing that

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<v Speaker 4>they said might be sensitive, and then he released it

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<v Speaker 4>all and it confirmed what he was saying. And they

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<v Speaker 4>had two hours before the attack. They gave the names

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<v Speaker 4>of the kinds of planes they were going to hit,

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<v Speaker 4>the kinds of planes that were going to send on

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<v Speaker 4>the mission. They gave the names of like the types

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<v Speaker 4>of missiles they were going to fire. They talked about

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<v Speaker 4>having some guy understood valence they specifically wanted to kill,

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<v Speaker 4>which meant that they are giving up the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>we have assets there that are tracking these people visually.

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<v Speaker 4>All of that stuff was in these messages two hours

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<v Speaker 4>before it happened. If it at leaked to a bad guy,

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<v Speaker 4>it could have been very bad.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, we talked about this last night,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were looking for this specific guy. They knew

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<v Speaker 2>where he was headed. He was apparently headed to his

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<v Speaker 2>girlfriend's apartment, that's right, And once they knew that he

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<v Speaker 2>was in the girlfriend's apartment, they hit the building. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was a building and they said the building is down,

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<v Speaker 2>and they knew at that point that this guy was

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<v Speaker 2>the guy they wanted to get, who apparently was the

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<v Speaker 2>one of the heavy directors of the Hoody Missiles program,

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<v Speaker 2>which was firing all the missiles at shipping going through

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<v Speaker 2>near Yemen.

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<v Speaker 4>So taking no position on whether or not I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>taking any political positions here, but I must say, if

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<v Speaker 4>you stop to think about it, it does kind of make

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<v Speaker 4>you proud to be an American in a way. They

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<v Speaker 4>have really good intelligence. If they were following these guys,

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<v Speaker 4>they had eyes on them and everything right, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes think hi, wata.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take the position, and my position is pretty clear.

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<v Speaker 2>These guys are using Iranian assets to fire missiles at

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and sixty four times at US Navy ships

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<v Speaker 2>and more than that at commercial vessels, which are causing

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of companies to go as opposed to go

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<v Speaker 2>up the Red Sea through the show.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, you're you're right. I just don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>take political.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a reporter, I'm a commentator. So there if I

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<v Speaker 2>just wanted to make sure, and I think most Americans,

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<v Speaker 2>even journalists, would say, you know, good, these guys were

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<v Speaker 2>not really.

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<v Speaker 4>Helpful, and let me go so far as to say

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<v Speaker 4>that they will not be missed.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, so they will not be missed, all right, so

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<v Speaker 2>we know, let me do this. I want to take

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<v Speaker 2>a quick break if it's okay with you, I promise.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't you go at ten thirty. I want it now,

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<v Speaker 2>since I think you have explained it remarkably clearly. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to find out from you where the mistakes were made,

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<v Speaker 2>and I because I want to be fair in my

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<v Speaker 2>commentary on this, and I want my audience to understand.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And the first question I'm going to come back with

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<v Speaker 2>is will be this? Was there a better app? And

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<v Speaker 2>from what I've learned, this was a perfectly good app

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<v Speaker 2>when properly used. What is there? I when I first.

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<v Speaker 4>You and you would be wrong if.

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<v Speaker 2>I expect I would be wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>I got to tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to tell you this, Hiawatha. I wondered, why

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<v Speaker 2>was there not a Department of Defense communications team running this?

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<v Speaker 2>This this messaging app?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, we are approaching the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, I spent a little time in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the military, so I no, I don't know. Leave me.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in the military shortly after the Revolutionary.

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<v Speaker 4>War with the string.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it, you got it. So that's why I

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<v Speaker 2>would think that you would have said, okay, let's call

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<v Speaker 2>you know, DoD Coms, let something up. I got to

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<v Speaker 2>assume that when when the President of United States, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's Donald Trump or whomever is talking to Vladimir Putin,

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<v Speaker 2>they want something a little more secure than signal, or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not. We'll find out. We would hope, we would

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<v Speaker 2>hope we'll find out for certain. From Hiawatha right after

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<v Speaker 2>this quick break, I love your clarity. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much for being here tonight. It's helping me and it's

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<v Speaker 2>helping my audience. We'll be back on nights tick right

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<v Speaker 2>after this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>This Hiawatha braid Uh tech expert, tech writer from the

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<v Speaker 2>Boston Globe. You've read his columns in the in the

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<v Speaker 2>Business page and elsewhere. So, Hiawatha, the question that I

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<v Speaker 2>left you with was whether or not there would have

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<v Speaker 2>been a better option for this group who were wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to all be on the same page. As the attack

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<v Speaker 2>on these Huti rebels in Yemen was going to take

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<v Speaker 2>place on Saturday, early afternoon our time, but obviously probably

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<v Speaker 2>after dark the time in Yemen. What should have they used?

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<v Speaker 2>What should have they been thinking about to have avoided

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the very fact that a person could be accidentally

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<v Speaker 4>added to this message chain illustrates the problem. Okay, I've talked.

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<v Speaker 4>I was talking to some people at a company in

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<v Speaker 4>California called Greenhill Software. Most of us have never heard

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<v Speaker 4>of them, but they specialized, among other things, in making

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<v Speaker 4>highly secure military communications systems, and that is precisely the

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<v Speaker 4>kind of thing that is supposed to be used for

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<v Speaker 4>a job like this. Remember the election campaign, they found

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<v Speaker 4>out that that Chines. Yeah, it's hard to forget. They

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<v Speaker 4>found out that the Chinese were trying to hack Prump's

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<v Speaker 4>Advance's cell phones. So Greenhill Software contacted them and offered

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<v Speaker 4>them highly secure phones that were they claimed totally unhackable,

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<v Speaker 4>and they used those phones throughout the rest of the campaign.

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<v Speaker 4>Such phones are also provided to the US military. These

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<v Speaker 4>phones are so secure precisely because they do not communicate

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<v Speaker 4>and only one thing, conduct extremely secure military communications. They

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<v Speaker 4>can do text, they can do voice, And in order

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<v Speaker 4>to connect to this phone, you have to already be

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<v Speaker 4>you have to have been proven to have a right

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<v Speaker 4>to be on that network. This is the kind of

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<v Speaker 4>Technology exists, it's been around forever. That's what you use.

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<v Speaker 4>You do not use signal.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Okay, now that is as clear as a bell.

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<v Speaker 2>So now my next question is I'm assuming that signal

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<v Speaker 2>know it's been used by senators and Senate aids and

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<v Speaker 2>all of that. Did the Biden administration also use signal

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<v Speaker 2>or was this age well.

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<v Speaker 4>As I understand it, yeah, a lot of them had.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me be clear about this. In December of twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty four, the uh oh, it's called SISA, the cybersecurity

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<v Speaker 4>high government officials ought to consider using signal for their

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<v Speaker 4>everyday communications because it is indeed hard to crack. That's

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<v Speaker 4>very different from using it for the you know, actual

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<v Speaker 2>And just to be clear, signal wasn't cracked. It wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>This journalist did not somehow, you know, I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I wouldn't have the slightest idea how to

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<v Speaker 2>How it works. It's like I wouldn't want to stand

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<v Speaker 2>in and and and try to bat against the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who's throwing a fastball ninety seven miles an hour. But

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<v Speaker 2>I understand what what it would take. You know, it

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<v Speaker 2>take you know, split second diming and eye hand coordination

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<v Speaker 2>that I never had it, and if I ever had it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's long gone now. So so what do you think

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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration? They're not gonna I don't believe they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to fire anyone, although they could. They could look at

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<v Speaker 2>some of the comments that these principles made, which were,

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<v Speaker 2>if not incorrect, they were misleading.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, no, you know, I read a great column today

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<v Speaker 4>thing that came out of all this, And he compares

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<v Speaker 4>it to The Godfather. The scene in The Godfather where

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<v Speaker 4>Sonny interrupts while they're just trying to negotiate the drug

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<v Speaker 4>tell anyone outside the family what you're thinking. That's what

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<v Speaker 4>happened here, because the really interesting thing that came out

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<v Speaker 4>was when Vance and which was the other one, started

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<v Speaker 4>agree with him?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yes, yes, yes, absolutely, it was Vincent hegseth. Correct.

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<v Speaker 4>Have you been looking at the European press? That has

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<v Speaker 4>sent shockwaves across Europe? Everybody in Europe now recognizes and

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<v Speaker 4>this is what Goldberg was pointing out. They were able

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<v Speaker 4>us that much, they don't really distrust the Europeans that much.

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<v Speaker 4>Now they're reading messages that were apparently intended to be secret,

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<v Speaker 4>and their contempt for NATO and the European allies is

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<v Speaker 4>just palpable. And how that is going to help us

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<v Speaker 4>do business with Europe, I don't know. But it has

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<v Speaker 4>really sent shock waves. And if you read the news,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of European leaders are horrified by this, not

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<v Speaker 4>because of the secret military information, because these people are

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<v Speaker 4>just standing there telling them we're sick of Europe. We're

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<v Speaker 4>tired of having to clean up their messages, and we

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<v Speaker 4>expect them to pay us if we finished. Did you

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<v Speaker 4>see that part? We expect them to pay us if

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<v Speaker 4>the United States feels with no disease.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they were what they were saying. What they were saying,

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<v Speaker 2>Hi Walth was that if they wipe the hoovenes out

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<v Speaker 2>here or they incapacitate the hoodies, which then allows the

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's forty percent of europe ship goes through the.

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<v Speaker 4>America's trade right and.

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<v Speaker 2>Ours is like three percent. Okay, So the idea was

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<v Speaker 2>that we're doing this one. They said that no European

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<v Speaker 2>country and they're probably correct on this. No European country

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<v Speaker 2>could have carried this attack out as effectively as we were.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not probable, it's definite.

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<v Speaker 2>They have done it right, And so what they're saying

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<v Speaker 2>is we have provided a service. And they said, I

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<v Speaker 2>hate that we have to do this, but they were

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<v Speaker 2>going to do it anyway. So I was concerned about

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<v Speaker 2>heg Seth was asked uh, and he was very clear,

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<v Speaker 2>there was there was this, There were no war plans here,

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<v Speaker 2>there was no information here. He he used different terminology

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<v Speaker 2>within the military that that would would have been misleading

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<v Speaker 2>and all. It was almost as if we weren't talking

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<v Speaker 2>were talking the worst thing we were talking about was

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<v Speaker 2>European soccer scores or something like that. I mean, it was,

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<v Speaker 4>At a minimum, it was misleading, and it was very disturbing.

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<v Speaker 4>And oh and of course I know, no, we're probably

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<v Speaker 4>the one last point which I also mentioned, which is

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that Signal, among its other features, is designed

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<v Speaker 4>to make its messages disappear. Yes, there was an actual

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<v Speaker 4>a report from the Defense Department's Inspector General where they

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<v Speaker 4>were rebuked a Defense Department official for using Signal, and

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<v Speaker 4>their reason was, this is the US government. You can't

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<v Speaker 4>make your messages disappear. They're part of the public record.

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<v Speaker 4>They're all supposed to be archived, yes, the way supposed

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<v Speaker 4>to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, as I understand that the person who

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty days Rctually, I saw something If you look at

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, at this point there was a judge has

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<v Speaker 2>Hegseeth Walls and others not delete the hooty messages. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the same time Judge Boseburg, who is a federal District

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<v Speaker 2>I respect.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think how many other things have they done

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<v Speaker 4>using signal that I've been lost to history.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not their first use of this.

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<v Speaker 4>I've read this, I need to confirm it. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the whole controversy over Project twenty twenty five. I read

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<v Speaker 4>today that there is apparently something to this effect. In

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<v Speaker 4>Project twenty twenty five, they said the new administration should

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<v Speaker 4>find alternative channels for conducting its communications that go outside

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<v Speaker 2>Project twenty five. Of those who don't know what it is,

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<v Speaker 2>Society which talked about.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no. It was the Heritage Foundation.

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<v Speaker 2>Heritage Foundation correct on that. I'm sorry to strike that

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<v Speaker 2>Heritage Foundation, which was suggesting that if Donald Trump was

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<v Speaker 2>elected president, he might be able to do ABC, D,

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<v Speaker 2>E FG whatever, an alphabet of ideas. And and you

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<v Speaker 2>know that that that's a possibility ability there. Obviously you

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<v Speaker 2>raised that one. I think the I don't think Trump

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<v Speaker 2>is going to fire anyone in this group. Uh. The

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<v Speaker 2>person who should be fired, if anybody, would be the

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<v Speaker 2>Aid of Waltz, because I'm assuming Waltz gave his his

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<v Speaker 2>cell phone to the AID and said set it up.

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<v Speaker 4>And because in it is quite possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so and it almost comes down to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're hurrying and you're making a phone call to

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<v Speaker 2>someone and I'm going to call Hiawatha, and I go

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<v Speaker 2>to call Hiawatha, but I call the person on my

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<v Speaker 2>contact list who's one above you or one below you?

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<v Speaker 4>Yea and.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right the other Hiawatha, right, uh and uh. And

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<v Speaker 2>they'll say who who is this? Who are you looking

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<v Speaker 2>for the bulk of them? Hiawatha bray, Well, you got

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong Hiawatha and said, I apologize, innocent mistake, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's probably what happened here.

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<v Speaker 4>But you're not supposed to do military communications on devices

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<v Speaker 4>that are even capable. That's the point I talked to

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<v Speaker 4>the guy over at Harvard. Why am I going blank

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<v Speaker 4>on his name? Bruce Schneier, brilliant guy. He's written multiple

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<v Speaker 4>books on cybersecurity, and he says, that's the whole point.

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<v Speaker 4>You use devices where a mistake like that cannot literally

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<v Speaker 4>cannot be made, because the only people who can connect

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<v Speaker 4>And we have those technologies. They exist, it's not that

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<v Speaker 4>difficult to use them. For whatever reason they didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>You've explained it so well, Hiawatha Bray. As always, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's late at night. I can't wait to read your

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<v Speaker 2>next column on this.

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<v Speaker 4>Are going to write about it anymore? Huh, I'm tired

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<v Speaker 4>of this, but I may have to. We'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you do. I hope you do always. I

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for your time, and I thank you for here,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Thank you to you soon. Okay, when we

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<v Speaker 2>get back, all right, thanks, we're gonna take a break

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<v Speaker 2>for news. We'll let Hiawatha turn in for the night.

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<v Speaker 2>But I still have some time, and I hope you

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<v Speaker 2>have some interest in this story. And uh, look, this

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<v Speaker 2>is this is a this is a mistake, okay, And

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<v Speaker 2>whenever you have a mistake, it's always the They should

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<v Speaker 2>have come out early and said, hey, we made a mistake,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna correct it. We're gonna rectify it, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to change the protocol. In my opinion, when

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<v Speaker 2>you sort of hunker down and hope that the storm's

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't blow over. Now again, I celebrate what was accomplished

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<v Speaker 2>in the raid. But but the conversation in newspapers and

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<v Speaker 2>on talk shows has been about everything but the now.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a fairly direct tape on this. I have

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<v Speaker 2>a much better I must tell you. I have cell phones,

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<v Speaker 2>I use computers. I'm not the expert that Hiawatha Bray

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<v Speaker 2>I had a conversation with a couple of colleagues of

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<v Speaker 2>me open up the phone lines. Let's get it going.

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<v Speaker 2>Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty six, one

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<v Speaker 1>You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's

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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome back. We're going to again talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this signal experience. That again, the bottom line was there

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<v Speaker 2>was a successful raid, but but we need to learn

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<v Speaker 2>from this. I'm not sure that anyone is going to

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<v Speaker 2>lose their job in the Trump administration over this. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that Trump will be lolled to fire anyone. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure there's a fireable offense. To be really honest

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<v Speaker 2>with you, I don't think there was an intention here

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<v Speaker 2>to keep it secret from us, but there was. This

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<v Speaker 2>was an administration that should have known that because of

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<v Speaker 2>the National Archives Acts and the National the Office of

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<v Speaker 2>the National Archives and record Keeping that that these these

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<v Speaker 2>conversations need to be preserved. Yeah, the raid was successful.

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<v Speaker 2>They accomplished what if they apparently needed to accomplish. And

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds to me as if the hooties have been

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<v Speaker 2>kind of put in a box, which would be good

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<v Speaker 2>for the passage of commercial and military vessels in the

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<v Speaker 2>Red Sea its Sewice Canal. But I've learned a lot

439
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<v Speaker 2>about signal and by the way, you can have you

440
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<v Speaker 2>can have a zoom call on signal, you can have

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<v Speaker 2>a telephone call on signal. You can have just a

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<v Speaker 2>phone call and with the transcription encrypted. So it's it's sophisticated.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a lot of people in my business who

444
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<v Speaker 2>have used it. Now again, uh, maybe maybe for whatever reason,

445
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<v Speaker 2>they want to know what's going on. Maybe you've used it.

446
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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to know what you've used it for. Again,

447
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<v Speaker 2>there there are people, bad actors out there who are

448
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<v Speaker 2>trying to get all of our information. I have all

449
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<v Speaker 2>I can do to deal with the spammers. Who are

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<v Speaker 2>you know that we joke about the Nigerian prince who

451
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<v Speaker 2>wants to give you the million dollars. So anyway, let's

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<v Speaker 2>just let's get right to it. Six point seven two

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<v Speaker 2>five four ten thirty six one seven thirty. Paul's in Wakefield. Paul,

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<v Speaker 2>you were next up. I hope you enjoyed the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>with Hiawatha Bray. Okay, Paul may not be there, so Rob,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't we put Paul on hold see what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on with Paul. In the meantime, I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 2>to Bill and Nadick. Bill, you are next on nightside. Welcome,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Okay, Billy, you're a speakerphone?

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<v Speaker 4>Could I ask cell phone?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, please hold the cell phone close to the

462
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<v Speaker 2>to your mouth and let's hear you. Sounded like you

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<v Speaker 2>might have been on a speakerphone.

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<v Speaker 4>Go right ahead, okay.

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<v Speaker 5>I watched the show on TV UH and they asked

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<v Speaker 5>only yesterday. And then there was a congresswoman named Houlahn

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<v Speaker 5>and I don't know where she was from, but she

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<v Speaker 5>was really good. She says it was me, a new congresswoman.

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<v Speaker 5>She had a list of things she warned to talk about,

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<v Speaker 5>but yeah, she didn't want to talk about anymore because

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<v Speaker 5>she wanted to talk about the UH. The column was

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<v Speaker 5>messed up, and she just started a conversation but by saying,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, we had a lot of stories about this

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<v Speaker 5>guy being having trouble with alcohol, and they said that

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<v Speaker 5>he's off and now everything's all right. And one of

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<v Speaker 5>the guys she was talking was saying, hey, hold on, man,

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<v Speaker 5>you can't you can't talk.

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<v Speaker 4>Like that here.

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<v Speaker 5>We're not going to allow that. Well, she had a

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<v Speaker 5>very good equation and she was very innocent, and I

481
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<v Speaker 5>wish I don't know where she comes from, what stay,

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<v Speaker 5>but she was really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold, well, I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're talking about a congress woman named Chrissy Hulahan,

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<v Speaker 2>she's a American politician, former United States Air Force Office

486
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<v Speaker 2>Sir member the Democratic Party, she represents the sixth Congressional

487
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<v Speaker 2>district in Pennsylvania. If you're talking about alcohol, there was

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<v Speaker 2>concerns early on that the Secretary of Defense now Secretary

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<v Speaker 2>Pete Hegesath, in his past had had some problems with alcohol.

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<v Speaker 2>He apparently took a pledge that he was not going

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<v Speaker 2>to drink while serving as Secretary of Defense. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how that has no to best of my knowledge,

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<v Speaker 2>it has no relation to what we're talking about, which

494
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<v Speaker 2>is whether or not the app let me finish, let

495
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<v Speaker 2>me do this, let me do this, bill, if you'd

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<v Speaker 2>permit me, let me finish my sentence, and then I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to give you the opportunity to speak. Okay, just

498
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<v Speaker 2>give me the courtesy. I'll allow you to speak as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is that there's no indication that any use

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<v Speaker 2>of alcohol, never minded abuse of alcohol, has anything to

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<v Speaker 2>do with the story. Go right ahead, Okay, fine, we

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<v Speaker 2>lost them. That's fine. You know, Look, if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to call and you want to have a conversation, I

504
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<v Speaker 2>don't mind that. But if I'm making a point or

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<v Speaker 2>you're making a point, it just to me seems impolite,

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<v Speaker 2>at at at best impolite not to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>have a conversation, all right. Six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a lot of really difficult callers last night,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is not what this show tends to be about.

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<v Speaker 2>We we could have passionate exchanges, but there were people

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<v Speaker 2>last night who just it was and by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>people on both ends of the spectrum. Okay, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily trumps supporters or Trump critics or Democrats or Republicans.

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<v Speaker 2>I just, you know, I'd like to like to keep

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<v Speaker 2>the program under control, because if we're just yelling and screaming,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going to make much progress. I have no

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<v Speaker 2>idea what Bill was talking about. I have no idea

519
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<v Speaker 2>what he was talking about. There's some reference to alcohol.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I tried to make some sense of it, but

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't even allow me to make sense of it

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<v Speaker 2>for him. We'll take a break. Six one seven, two

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<v Speaker 2>five four, ten thirty six, one seven, nine three, one

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty What are the lessons that we can learn,

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<v Speaker 2>that all of us can learn. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>many of you have used signal before as a communication app.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never used signal. If you have, I'd love to

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<v Speaker 2>know your experience with it. According to Hiawatha Bray, our

529
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<v Speaker 2>guest in the first half hour of this this Hour,

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<v Speaker 2>and Hiawath's is an excellent guest, he talked about it

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<v Speaker 2>being a good uh web, a good app. But he says,

532
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<v Speaker 2>and he cited one out in California called Green Hills Software,

533
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<v Speaker 2>which is what should have been used. You would think

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<v Speaker 2>that the military, you would hope that the military would

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<v Speaker 2>have been totally up to speed. It was not. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>be back on Nightside right after.

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<v Speaker 1>This Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>We're bringing up the quality of the call is right now,

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<v Speaker 2>going to Audrey and Cambridge. Audrey, welcome to Nightside. How

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<v Speaker 2>are you?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm fine, Dan, how are you? You didn't have a

542
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<v Speaker 6>heck of a time. I just saw the end of

543
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<v Speaker 6>heard the end of the show last night. I'm like,

544
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<v Speaker 6>oh my gosh, I don't know his patient's got to

545
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<v Speaker 6>be running thin. But on this I worked, I did

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<v Speaker 6>work for the Defense Apartment and I we were auditus.

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<v Speaker 6>But the thing is, you know, some of us I

548
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<v Speaker 6>had a security clearance, some some did very cute. But

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<v Speaker 6>the point of my call is for this kind of

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<v Speaker 6>a conversation to be set up. Why they didn't check,

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<v Speaker 6>double check and check again to see who was on

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<v Speaker 6>that line. That that's the thing that doesn't make I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>that's the first thing you taught, you know, check, double check, trust,

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<v Speaker 6>but verified, right, And I just think the head should

555
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<v Speaker 6>roll on this one.

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<v Speaker 4>I really do.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you say head should roll, okay, that's the euphemism,

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<v Speaker 2>what exactly do you who do you think should wow,

559
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<v Speaker 2>should be be shown the door?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, whoever set the call up?

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<v Speaker 2>That's Mike Walls.

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<v Speaker 6>Then I think, I mean, there's no excuse. So I

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<v Speaker 6>just can't see any excuse of something this important. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>they're saying, oh, well nothing, but but all the detail

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<v Speaker 6>I mean of what the strike was going to entail

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<v Speaker 6>by what I understand was, you know, transpired in this conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just okay, it's the The counter argument would be, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this was information which remained secure after the strike because

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<v Speaker 2>the the journalist who was I assume inadvertently invited onto

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<v Speaker 2>the line. I I you know, Jeffrey Goldberg is a

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<v Speaker 2>big critic of Donald Trump. These were Trump's most loyal

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<v Speaker 2>his Defense Secretary Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State Chelsea Gabbertt,

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<v Speaker 2>all of his uh you know, international people were so

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anybody said it'd be a great idea

575
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<v Speaker 2>to put Jeffrey Goldberg on here, So we don't think so. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and he did not, Thank goodness. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>he could have been able to do. He would have

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<v Speaker 2>had to have called the hoodies, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>anyone would be crazy enough to do that and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys are going to get hit in about two hours.

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<v Speaker 2>If I get if I were you, i'd get out

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<v Speaker 2>of town.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, right, And did you think did you say?

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<v Speaker 6>Did you mention that he thought it was kind of

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<v Speaker 6>a joke? He didn't, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he I saw that he wrote he thought that

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<v Speaker 2>he was being prank, that that it was someone who

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<v Speaker 2>was pulling and he realized he only realized when the

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<v Speaker 2>actual news was saying that that the US is hitting

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<v Speaker 2>hitting Yemen. I mean it was anticipated the Biden administration

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<v Speaker 2>has hit them before. I don't know if this was

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<v Speaker 2>the first time. It's not a surprise like we're all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden attacking some country. Switzerland. They've been a

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<v Speaker 2>pain of the neck for a long time. So so

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<v Speaker 2>you think the head should roll? Okay, let's see what without.

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<v Speaker 6>What others said, Dan, But what can I tell you?

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay? Audrey? I loved your call. I mean that seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you you've said you've said a new standard here.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, thanks, Oh, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we had luck with Ardurye. Let me go to

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<v Speaker 2>Heidi and Wellesley. Hi, Heidi, how are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, it's actually not he it's actually Patty.

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<v Speaker 2>But Patty, Oh how did Rob? How did you get

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<v Speaker 2>Heidi out of Patty? Patty is one of my favorite callers. Patty?

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<v Speaker 3>How are you? Peace?

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<v Speaker 8>Love and honor for you?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay?

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<v Speaker 8>And I would never ever call your show with anger,

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<v Speaker 8>but text you noticed in this community or in this

610
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<v Speaker 8>world right now, there are heightened feelings of anger, fear,

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<v Speaker 8>blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, and so there's also the factor that everybody wants

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<v Speaker 7>to be right.

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<v Speaker 8>And I don't know what.

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<v Speaker 7>Is the big deal about being wrong? Why does everyone

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<v Speaker 7>have to be right? But let me tell you about

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<v Speaker 7>that little thread of the text. Yes, there's no such

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<v Speaker 7>thing as a mistake. Everything happens for a reason. So

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<v Speaker 7>the guy was on the thread, right, We've all put

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<v Speaker 7>different people on threads. It just shows that everyone is

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<v Speaker 7>so in another planet that mistakes happen so much, and

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<v Speaker 7>it's just a tragedy where we are at now. Would

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<v Speaker 7>you agree?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're right. I do think that all of

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<v Speaker 2>us need to kind of dial it back a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>They probably threw that call together a little bit more quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>There should have been double checks. They should have been

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<v Speaker 2>doing it through, you know, a professional Department of Defense

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<v Speaker 2>communications team. It shouldn't have been done at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's pretty clear if they made a mistake

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<v Speaker 2>by putting it on signal. Now they could have put

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<v Speaker 2>had her on signal, and maybe if no mistake was made,

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<v Speaker 2>but guess what, we're all human beings, Mistakes can be made.

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<v Speaker 2>It should have been done through a more secure site.

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<v Speaker 2>Although signal is from everyone I've talked to today, a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty secure site in terms of encryption.

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<v Speaker 7>Done.

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<v Speaker 8>Have you ever heard of this?

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<v Speaker 7>Quotes or whatever?

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<v Speaker 4>Measure twice.

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<v Speaker 7>How one yes done?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely A stitch in time saves nine is another one

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey got it?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. I haven't heard your voice since

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<v Speaker 2>too long and I love you voice. You know that

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<v Speaker 2>we will talk soon. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 7>Just what do you want to hear? Your secret?

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<v Speaker 3>Do?

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<v Speaker 7>I love you?

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<v Speaker 4>Do?

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<v Speaker 7>You are the and you are the best?

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<v Speaker 3>Perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a secret anymore, but I feel the same

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<v Speaker 2>way to it you, Patty. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, one day, one day we'll meet Don in person. Okay,

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<v Speaker 7>abe show tonight and we all love you and I'm

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<v Speaker 7>speaking for all your fun. You are the best.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Patty, I'm blushing. Thank you so much. Okay, thanks,

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<v Speaker 2>bye bye bye bye bye. Okay, uh, David san Antonio, Dave,

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<v Speaker 2>I only got a couple of minutes left, but I

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<v Speaker 2>know you make the most of it. Go ahead, Dave.

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<v Speaker 3>I just think to them, have a lot of noise

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<v Speaker 3>is being made over nothing. I mean I it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>top secret, it wasn't anything like that. And the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that it's out is because a little journalists. They Goldberg,

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<v Speaker 3>he couldn't keep his mouth shut. Well, first of all.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not what journalists do. Dave. You, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not what journalists do. I mean, he was he

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<v Speaker 2>was inadvertently put on the call. I don't think people

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<v Speaker 2>would have put him on intentionally, do you.

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<v Speaker 3>He's just as an American desire. Why do you just

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<v Speaker 3>keep his mouth shut?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's not what journalists do, David. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure that if there was a conservative journalist, then Goldberg

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<v Speaker 2>has staked out of position. He's very critical of the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump campaign. Maybe I would hope that if he had

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<v Speaker 2>been on a call with an administration that was more

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<v Speaker 2>supportive of he would have done the same thing that

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<v Speaker 2>he as a journalist, but that he didn't have to.

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<v Speaker 2>He could have kept it quiet, but that's his choice.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't second guess his choice.

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<v Speaker 3>You have kept it, He kept it quiet. Nothing, no

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<v Speaker 3>noise about this at all. The fact is it was

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<v Speaker 3>a very successful campaign. He really done it in over there,

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<v Speaker 3>and uh, they're they're they're shaking in their boots and

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<v Speaker 3>doing things that uh, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, a lot of the hooties aren't even in there anymore, Dave.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of the hooties aren't even in their boots anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Got you in before the news. But here comes the

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<v Speaker 2>news and we both got to get out of the way.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll talk soon. I'll give you more time next year.

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<v Speaker 2>A good night, Dan, my friend, take it take, take

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<v Speaker 2>it easy. You guys have the numbers. I'm not even

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<v Speaker 2>gonna repeat them. Fill up the lines. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to this, about this until midnight, coming back on

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<v Speaker 2>night Side.