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<v Speaker 1>Multiple people in my family clean my father, are veterans.

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<v Speaker 2>Troops that have been to war and now they're back

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<v Speaker 2>and think and be grateful for their service, sacrifice, love

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<v Speaker 2>for their country, just unselfishness, all.

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<v Speaker 3>That they do for us.

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<v Speaker 4>There are some people in this country who take extraordinary

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<v Speaker 4>steps to provide for the freedom and security. We forget

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<v Speaker 4>that those people exist.

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<v Speaker 1>We know them as the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines,

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<v Speaker 1>and Coast Guard. They call themselves soldiers, seals, rangers, airmen, sailors,

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<v Speaker 1>devil dogs, and so much more. We call them fathers, brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>sons and husbands, mothers, daughters, sisters and wives. We call

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<v Speaker 1>them friend and neighbor. These veterans answered the call, Now

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<v Speaker 1>we answer theirs. They are the best our country has

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<v Speaker 1>to offer, and we love them. Today we honor them

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<v Speaker 1>and we start this. David Maulsby is your host, and

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<v Speaker 1>he welcomes you to this community of veterans, as together

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<v Speaker 1>we are building the road to.

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<v Speaker 2>Hope, and indeed we are glad to have you along.

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<v Speaker 2>On a Sunday afternoon, those of you listening onto KPRC

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<v Speaker 2>the nine five oh on the AM dial, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for joining us as you drive endlessly around the Loop

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<v Speaker 2>you like to spend your Sunday afternoon driving through. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for doing so. Those of you listen through the

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<v Speaker 2>Magical podcast, thank you so very much. Wherever you listen

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<v Speaker 2>to podcasts, just look for Road to Hope Radio. There

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<v Speaker 2>we are. We got over eight years of shows, lots

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<v Speaker 2>of stories, lots of insight into what's going on at

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<v Speaker 2>the PTSD Foundation of America, a lot of hope and inspiration,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of great stories. People that you get to meet,

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<v Speaker 2>our veterans. People say, we love our veterans, we support

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<v Speaker 2>our veterans. We appreciate it when you take a time

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<v Speaker 2>to check out this podcast. And here's some of the stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's some of the struggles that they had coming home

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<v Speaker 2>and how they are overcoming them, how they have overcome them.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll hear both of those in the course of this

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<v Speaker 2>show with a couple of vets we have in the

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<v Speaker 2>studio with us today. Big thank you to our show

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<v Speaker 2>right we have two of our veterans in the studio

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<v Speaker 2>with us. Today one who's a Graduate Camp, hope a

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<v Speaker 2>staff member doing great work and supporting our veterans coming

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<v Speaker 2>through the. Program we got. Brand do you want to reintroduce? Yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah what's?

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<v Speaker 4>Up.

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<v Speaker 5>Everybody Brandon hartsburg, here A Us army. Vet i've been

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<v Speaker 5>working At camp up about four. Years i graduated in

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<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty And i'm just excited to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're glad to have you. Here brandon does fantastic

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<v Speaker 2>work with our guys and grateful for what he. Does

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<v Speaker 2>and we also have a veteran that's currently in the

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<v Speaker 2>program At Camp. Hope, brian you want to introduce yourself

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<v Speaker 2>to the. World, yeah that's your. Chance make it.

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<v Speaker 3>Good, thanks, pastor thanks for having. Me i'll try not.

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<v Speaker 3>To my Name's Ryan. COLEKOWSKI i served in The United

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<v Speaker 3>States Marine corps from two thousand and two to two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and. Six came To Camp hope On april tenth

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<v Speaker 3>of this, year twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 4>Five and, Yeah i'm just been working the. PROGRAM i

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<v Speaker 4>Think i'm on ninety six days.

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<v Speaker 2>Now all, right so still in Red i'm still in red. Phase, okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha all, right which means nothing people associated today. Anyway

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<v Speaker 2>glad you're.

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<v Speaker 4>Here.

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<v Speaker 2>California what Part.

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<v Speaker 4>Orange, County, California, Placentia.

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<v Speaker 2>California i'm familiar With Orange, county Not. Placentia, yeah, okay

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<v Speaker 2>where is that? From like the.

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<v Speaker 3>Airport it's probably ten to fifteen minutes From John, wayne

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<v Speaker 3>probably twenty minutes from the, beach a couple from the.

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<v Speaker 4>Mountain so it's a nice place to. Live.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice. Yeah did you grow up on the?

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<v Speaker 4>BEACH i did. NOT i was.

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<v Speaker 3>No, ACTUALLY i was born In, virginia lived there for

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of, years moved To North, carolina moved To, Dallas,

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<v Speaker 3>texas and then WHEN i joined The Marine, CORPS i

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<v Speaker 3>was stationed At Camp, pelton.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, yeah so that's HOW i came To.

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<v Speaker 2>California you just stayed, there, yes. Sir so you did

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of moving around as a, YOUNGSTER a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of moving, around, yes all, right family military or.

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<v Speaker 3>No just my dad got drip transfers and found different

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<v Speaker 3>opportunities for, work and we just kind of moved.

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<v Speaker 2>Around where were you in high? School let In? Dallas.

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<v Speaker 3>YEAH i went to A Plano West Senior High school In, Plano,

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<v Speaker 3>texas suburb Of, dallas just north Of.

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas my son and his family lived.

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<v Speaker 4>There got To.

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<v Speaker 2>Texas as quick as you.

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<v Speaker 4>Can, Now i'm back.

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<v Speaker 2>The texamax and the. Barbecue. Yeah, yeah that's a good

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<v Speaker 2>reason to come. Back it.

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<v Speaker 4>Is i've had a chance to have some.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, YEAH i don't, Know i've ever Had. Virginia Does

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<v Speaker 2>virginia even know what barbecue? Is i'm not.

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<v Speaker 4>SURE i don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know North carolina thinks they, do but it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>BARBECUE i, was, YEAH i was, five and THEN i

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<v Speaker 3>moved To North carolina AND i was, ten and then,

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<v Speaker 3>yeah from ten to like eighteen and lived In, texas and.

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<v Speaker 4>Back THEN i really wasn't into. Barbecue and THEN i.

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<v Speaker 3>Got a nine year Old, yeah, yeah, YEAH i tend

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<v Speaker 3>to seventeen growing up through high school and stuff like,

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<v Speaker 3>that and then but, yeah it's good to be back

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<v Speaker 3>IF i had a. Chance you, Know Camp hope's fit

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<v Speaker 3>us some you, know through some donors and stuff like.

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<v Speaker 4>That some good, barbecue and, yeah it's pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, yes we, have, thankfully some wonderful donors that provide

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<v Speaker 2>some meals for us from, timetime and our chef consistently

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<v Speaker 2>puts out some great food as. Well but it's always

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<v Speaker 2>a little extra special when some of these restaurants come

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<v Speaker 2>out and prepare meals for our. Guys it's a little

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<v Speaker 2>extra special treat for. Everybody so grateful for all those

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<v Speaker 2>who do. That real, Quickly i'm going to give you

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<v Speaker 2>our Combat Trauma line eight seven seven seven one seven

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<v Speaker 2>seventy eight seventy. Three even if you're not A, vet

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<v Speaker 2>you think you'll never need this phone, Number please put

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<v Speaker 2>this number in your. Phone there will be someday you

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<v Speaker 2>come across somebody who needs us and you're gonna wish

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<v Speaker 2>you had the number in your. Phone so please just

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<v Speaker 2>take the phone, Out just take you a. Second put

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<v Speaker 2>this in your. Phone eight seven seven seven one seven

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<v Speaker 2>seventy eight seventy. Three you come across that individual that's

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<v Speaker 2>needing a little bit of, help a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>guidance as they struggle to reintegrate into the civilian, world

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<v Speaker 2>just hit the phone, number hand it to, Them tell

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<v Speaker 2>them a combat vet's going to answer the. Phone that

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<v Speaker 2>may not mean much to, you but it will mean

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<v Speaker 2>the world to the person that you're handing that phone.

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<v Speaker 2>To eight seven seven seven to one to seven seventy

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<v Speaker 2>eight seventy. Three we're going to take a quick break

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll be right back with more Of road To Hope.

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<v Speaker 2>Radio going to dip in the mail bag here real.

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<v Speaker 2>Quick BRAND i think you'll, UH i think you'll appreciate this.

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<v Speaker 2>One this past, WEEK i saw a post from one

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<v Speaker 2>of our graduates From september of twenty. Three Chris, Tregiser

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<v Speaker 2>you REMEMBER i just read that? Today did you read?

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<v Speaker 2>That funny you bring that? Up? Yeah, YEAH i commented on. It.

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<v Speaker 2>YEAH i went To Camp hope a hardcore alcoholic with

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<v Speaker 2>no understanding about my mental. Health suicidal destroyed health issues

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<v Speaker 2>common story for a lot of. Us i've always been

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<v Speaker 2>a believer In god and some, extent but when he

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<v Speaker 2>actually touched to me while riding a horse during my

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<v Speaker 2>stay At Camp, hope my life was. CHANGED i wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about anything, NEGATIVE i wasn't. PRAYING i was just

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<v Speaker 2>enjoying the. Scenery and then it, happened The aha Moment

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<v Speaker 2>Camp hope staff talks about, hate, anger. UNFORGIVENESS i was

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<v Speaker 2>holding onto was. Gone like the sun came. OUT i was,

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<v Speaker 2>alive forty years. OLD i received a brand new, life

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<v Speaker 2>ONE i only dreamed of that now just. FLOWS i

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<v Speaker 2>put in hours upon hours of hard work in a

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<v Speaker 2>BUSINESS i co. OWN i put hours upon hours in

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<v Speaker 2>my production company and have a biodocumentary streaming on multiple,

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<v Speaker 2>platforms And i'm currently working on a fiction film on

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<v Speaker 2>facing past, trauma turning back To, god recording music, again

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<v Speaker 2>and living all since graduating the Program september twenty, eight

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, THREE i went from losing absolutely everything to

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<v Speaker 2>having all THAT i need and a family. AGAIN i

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<v Speaker 2>wish success to every single person that is trying to.

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<v Speaker 2>Change how's? That that's not too bad right? There it's.

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<v Speaker 5>FANTASTIC i can't make that. Up i've been following him

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<v Speaker 5>the whole TIME i worked With, chris SO i love seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>That. Man that's what it's all. About that's why we

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<v Speaker 4>Do it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Real it happens all the. Time. Yeah this Past, WEDNESDAY

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<v Speaker 2>i had some gentlemen out there are co owners of

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<v Speaker 2>when guys ask questions when we're on tours and we're

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<v Speaker 2>showing people what we're doing and they're trying to learn about,

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<v Speaker 2>it when they start asking questions and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>questions and probing, QUESTIONS i always find that so encouraging

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<v Speaker 2>BECAUSE i know they're tuned. IN i know they're actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Interested they're not just out there to get a. Picture

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<v Speaker 2>they want to learn about what's, happening what's going, on

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on in our veteran, community what's going on

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<v Speaker 2>in Camp. Hope why Does Camp hope? Exist why what

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<v Speaker 2>are you doing that's different from what anybody else is.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing it's just so. Encouraged they spent almost three hours

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<v Speaker 2>on our Campus, wednesday and it was. Great they got

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<v Speaker 2>to hear from a number of our veterans and briefly met.

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<v Speaker 2>You and when you see things like, that when you

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<v Speaker 2>see just you, know people you would otherwise never, meet

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<v Speaker 2>People i'd otherwise never, meet and they come out and

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<v Speaker 2>spend LIKE i, said they spend almost three, hours, uh

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<v Speaker 2>listening and asking, questions and you get a chance to

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<v Speaker 2>just briefly meet him in a. Hallway and we commented

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<v Speaker 2>on this as. Affort we kind of finished the tour

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<v Speaker 2>where your office. IS i can't imagine another building in

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<v Speaker 5>them you, KNOW ptsd is more than just a mental,

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<v Speaker 5>WHERE i was WHEN i got out and how horrible it,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're there on campus for again almost three. Hours

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<v Speaker 2>guess but this is who we. Are then they shared

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<v Speaker 2>company and it was, accountability, family. Greatness and as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as he said, ACCOUNTABILITY i, said, now, look we've talked

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<v Speaker 2>the freeness to. Share but it was just it Was

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<v Speaker 2>so it was pretty. Cool, yeah what did they do

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<v Speaker 2>for lunch?

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<v Speaker 3>Today what do we have for lunch? Today i'm trying to.

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<v Speaker 2>Dinner the looked like beef strogan off was.

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<v Speaker 2>Often that's all the THINGS i mentioned to this. Company

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<v Speaker 2>tonight just so, yeah WHICH i. Like, YEAH i could read.

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<v Speaker 5>SHRIMP i would have gave anything to get hot food

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<v Speaker 5>and three shrimp WHEN i was a. Resident he doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>know the. Program, WELL i don't tell them very.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you know when we WHEN i look back to you,

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<v Speaker 2>know we just kind of re furbished The Hunt. House

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<v Speaker 2>WHEN i think back to the days when that was

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<v Speaker 2>all we. Had quite, often all we had was boxes of,

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<v Speaker 2>ramen those cheap packages of ramen noodle that you buy,

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<v Speaker 3>And this was brought up earlier this, week AND i

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<v Speaker 3>know it's true for. Me Is i'm eating a lot

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<v Speaker 3>better At Camp hope than WHAT i was eating BEFORE

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<v Speaker 3>i came To Camp. HOPE i was wasn't eating a

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<v Speaker 3>lot maybe once a day by. Choice wasn't taking care

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<v Speaker 3>of myself AND i would have you, know peanut butter

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<v Speaker 3>and jelly and ramen and stuff like, that OR i

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<v Speaker 3>but Now i'm eating three square meals a, day taking

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<v Speaker 3>care of, myself getting the, nutrition eating vegetables.

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<v Speaker 2>Again so The Camp hope thirty is a real. Thing

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<v Speaker 2>it's a very real. Thing all, right for those of

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<v Speaker 2>you on the kPr, C we're gonna take a quick

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<v Speaker 2>news break and then we were right back with more

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<v Speaker 2>Of road To Hope. Radio all, right we Got Brandon,

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<v Speaker 2>Hartsburg United States army, veteran Got Ryan United States Marine

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<v Speaker 2>corps veterans served In. Iraq you both served in the same,

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<v Speaker 2>AREAS i guess at different times or were you there similar?

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<v Speaker 4>Times, YEAH i just found out this.

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<v Speaker 3>Today SO i was In brandon's class as A ptsd,

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<v Speaker 3>class and he was bringing up one of his deployments

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<v Speaker 3>in two thousand and. Seven he brought up A, Maria,

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<v Speaker 3>iraq AND i served there in two thousand and. Six

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<v Speaker 3>and there's another town just down the road Called. FERRISTOWN

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<v Speaker 3>i was, like is that the same A? Maria and

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<v Speaker 3>is there another town down the street Called. Farristown he's, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah AND i was, like oh, YEAH i was there

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<v Speaker 3>in two thousand and six AND i didn't even know

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<v Speaker 4>Class so that was pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool it's a small world in, it it, Is, yeah

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<v Speaker 2>especially when you get into.

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<v Speaker 5>That it's nice to have somebody. Relate BECAUSE i tell,

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<v Speaker 5>you or my my, father my, friends my ex, wife you,

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<v Speaker 5>know WHEN i was. Married they don't really get. It

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<v Speaker 5>they're like shock and, all like you, KNOW i tell

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<v Speaker 5>them the stories and then they're just like, uh BUT

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<v Speaker 5>i tell. Him we get all fired. Up we start remembering.

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<v Speaker 5>Routes we're, like oh, yeah we were fighting Al kaida

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<v Speaker 5>and they had h and me and they, were you,

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<v Speaker 5>know burying five hundred pounds of.

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<v Speaker 3>Explosive and he brought up he brought up THE. T

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<v Speaker 3>then one at THE. T one road goes south OR

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<v Speaker 3>INTERSECTION i knew it. Well we patrolled that, yeah all the.

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<v Speaker 2>Time so why'd you decide on The Marine.

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<v Speaker 4>Corps oh good. Question SO i didn't it chose?

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<v Speaker 3>recruiter came in and we got to talking and he's,

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<v Speaker 3>like you, know what's your? Plans what do you? KNOW

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<v Speaker 3>College he's, like, well you, know The marines will pay

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<v Speaker 3>for your. COLLEGE i was like, okay and then he's,

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<v Speaker 3>like did you play? SPORTS i was, like, YEAH i played.

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<v Speaker 3>Football and he's, like The marines have a football team

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<v Speaker 3>and you can play for The. Marines all you have

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<v Speaker 3>to do, is you, know sign. Up SO i went

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<v Speaker 3>to the recruiting. Office he made me watch the whole

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<v Speaker 3>recruiting video AND i was, like all, right where do

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<v Speaker 3>you sign me? Up so it kind of chose. ME

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<v Speaker 3>i guess, okay, yeah all, right.

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<v Speaker 5>That translates into a LOW gt. Score The marines is

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<v Speaker 5>the only one that would take him from the fifth

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<v Speaker 5>grade reading.

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<v Speaker 2>Level, yes it's getting, good it's getting. Real so all,

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<v Speaker 2>right football player, Plan oh that's the. Thing that's a real.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing got to be pretty decent to make that.

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<v Speaker 3>Team, YEAH i was For Plane West Senior High school and,

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<v Speaker 3>yeah we went my senior, year we went seven and.

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<v Speaker 4>Three we missed the.

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<v Speaker 3>Playoffs the top three teams made it to the. Playoffs,

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<v Speaker 3>making it to THE. Nfl, Nice, yeah The Quel vaughan

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<v Speaker 3>he ended up with the leave with the forty nine.

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<v Speaker 3>Ers and Then David, lofton who's actually the son Of James,

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<v Speaker 3>lofton who's A hall Of famer.

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<v Speaker 4>For The Green Bay. Packers.

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<v Speaker 3>NICE i played with them in high school AND i

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<v Speaker 3>Think David lofton ended up with The Miami.

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<v Speaker 2>Dolphins so very. Nice yeah that's. Cool. Yeah, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>uh it's it's a very good football when you come To,

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<v Speaker 2>texas when you get into Like, plano it's it's a

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm. Absolutely so you joined The, corps you deploy and

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<v Speaker 3>Deployments my second deployment was For Operation Phantom Fury, Fleujah

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<v Speaker 2>Time, yeah, yeah. Yeah It felujah brings up a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of yeah, memories some GUYS i knew that aren't with us. Anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>okay so coming home PTSD's party life at some. Point it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is SO i got out in two thousand and, six

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<v Speaker 3>AND i don't THINK i even knew WHAT ptsd.

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<v Speaker 2>Was almost no one. Did in two thousand and.

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<v Speaker 3>KNOW i THINK i had a two hour class and

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<v Speaker 3>they gave us some brochures and said if you're having you,

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<v Speaker 3>know if you need help, whatever you, know call the

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<v Speaker 3>number or go to the website or.

416
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<v Speaker 4>Whatever AND i think everyone just shoved those in the

417
00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:13.079
<v Speaker 4>drawer didn't think about.

418
00:23:13.119 --> 00:23:15.079
<v Speaker 3>It BECAUSE i got back from my third deployment In

419
00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:16.759
<v Speaker 3>august AND i was getting out of the Marine corps In,

420
00:23:16.759 --> 00:23:20.279
<v Speaker 3>october SO i quickly got back from my third deployment

421
00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:24.920
<v Speaker 3>and then basically transitioned out of The Marine. Corps AND

422
00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:27.519
<v Speaker 3>i actually didn't even go to THE va UNTIL i

423
00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:30.519
<v Speaker 3>believe twenty eleven is WHEN i first went to THE

424
00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:31.640
<v Speaker 3>va to get help with MY.

425
00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Ptsd know what was going?

426
00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:39.400
<v Speaker 3>ON i, Was, YEAH i was just self medicating with.

427
00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:41.279
<v Speaker 4>ALCOHOL i was drinking a.

428
00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:47.920
<v Speaker 3>LOT i wasn't just wasn't the PERSON i used to,

429
00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:51.240
<v Speaker 3>be you, know the PERSON i wanted to. Be at

430
00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:53.640
<v Speaker 3>the urging of some friends and, family they, said, hey

431
00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:56.039
<v Speaker 3>you know you should go TO va and you, know get,

432
00:23:56.039 --> 00:23:57.799
<v Speaker 3>help see what they have to offer and stuff like.

433
00:23:57.880 --> 00:24:01.759
<v Speaker 3>That so that was the first time in twenty eleven

434
00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:03.640
<v Speaker 3>ACTUALLY i went to THE va to try to get.

435
00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:06.319
<v Speaker 2>Help what were the symptoms you were dealing with are

436
00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:06.799
<v Speaker 2>causing you to?

437
00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:13.960
<v Speaker 3>Drink SO i was dealing WITH i had, insomnia, flashbacks, nightmares.

438
00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:18.079
<v Speaker 4>You, KNOW i was felt.

439
00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:21.559
<v Speaker 3>DEPRESSED i had a lot of, anger AND i didn't

440
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:26.519
<v Speaker 3>know where that anger was really coming. From you, KNOW

441
00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:29.200
<v Speaker 3>i was lashing out at family and friends and it

442
00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:32.519
<v Speaker 3>was just a side of me THAT i didn't even

443
00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:34.640
<v Speaker 3>know WHO i. Was AND i needed to figure that,

444
00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:36.680
<v Speaker 3>out and SO i went to THE va to try

445
00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:39.680
<v Speaker 3>to get help and with WHAT i didn't know at

446
00:24:39.680 --> 00:24:40.160
<v Speaker 3>the time WAS.

447
00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:45.279
<v Speaker 2>Ptsd what was their suggestion?

448
00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:50.359
<v Speaker 3>Prescription, yeah so they prescribed me a bunch of medication at,

449
00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:53.480
<v Speaker 3>first AND i don't even THINK i can name it,

450
00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:56.960
<v Speaker 3>all but you, know stuff for some SSRs to help

451
00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:59.960
<v Speaker 3>with my, depressions some stuff to help with my, nightmares

452
00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:03.599
<v Speaker 3>with my with my, sleep and stuff like, that WHICH

453
00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:07.559
<v Speaker 3>i didn't EVEN i didn't really. TAKE i THINK i

454
00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:09.319
<v Speaker 3>took it for a little, while but not enough for

455
00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:11.839
<v Speaker 3>it to make an. Effect AND i WAS i was still,

456
00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:16.960
<v Speaker 3>drinking AND i was missing. APPOINTMENTS i GUESS i just

457
00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:20.920
<v Speaker 3>wasn't taking it serious AS i should have back in twenty.

458
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Eleven were those psyche appointments or medical? Appoints?

459
00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:24.599
<v Speaker 1>Uh?

460
00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Both?

461
00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:26.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

462
00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Both, okay all, right how long do you do?

463
00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:33.440
<v Speaker 3>THAT i was in and out of THE va from

464
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:40.119
<v Speaker 3>twenty eleven up until this past, year WHEN i KNEW

465
00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:42.799
<v Speaker 3>i needed to make a change because WHAT i was

466
00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:46.200
<v Speaker 3>doing wasn't. Working and that's WHEN i Found Camp hope

467
00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:50.319
<v Speaker 3>and decided that IF i don't do, something you, KNOW

468
00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:52.279
<v Speaker 3>i need to do something because What i've been doing

469
00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:56.880
<v Speaker 3>hasn't been, working and that's HOW i found myself making

470
00:25:56.920 --> 00:25:58.519
<v Speaker 3>decisions on my own to come To Camp.

471
00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Hope so, typically not, always but typically there's something that

472
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:07.839
<v Speaker 2>the straw that breaks the camel's. Back was there something that, Like,

473
00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:11.000
<v Speaker 2>okay this has gone on too, long or something, happens

474
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:14.240
<v Speaker 2>or what was it that finally brought you to the

475
00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:16.880
<v Speaker 2>point WHERE i got to do something. Different we like

476
00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:19.720
<v Speaker 2>to call that TO D day's YOUR d. Day, Yeah.

477
00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:23.839
<v Speaker 3>So it wasn't anything with the law or anything like.

478
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:25.920
<v Speaker 3>That it WAS i was sick and tired of being

479
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:32.039
<v Speaker 3>sick and. Tired my daughter's, seventeen my son's, nine AND

480
00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:34.160
<v Speaker 3>i was just tired of being sick and. Tired AND

481
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:36.759
<v Speaker 3>i KNEW i needed to do something for myself but

482
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:38.839
<v Speaker 3>also for my kids and they needed, me AND i

483
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:44.519
<v Speaker 3>missed a lot of their lives due TO ptsd in

484
00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:47.799
<v Speaker 3>my alcohol. Use AND i knew that IF i didn't

485
00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:50.839
<v Speaker 3>do something, NOW i never. Would AND i HEARD i

486
00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:51.759
<v Speaker 3>learned About Camp.

487
00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:53.960
<v Speaker 4>Hope how did you hear about?

488
00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:57.559
<v Speaker 3>CAMP i heard learned About Camp hope through Uh Nathan.

489
00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:00.559
<v Speaker 3>GONZALEZ i served with him In. India, YEAH i served

490
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:04.319
<v Speaker 3>with him an indie, Company, yeah indie.

491
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:07.240
<v Speaker 4>Company Thurb, Time Fifth. Marines we served.

492
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Together, yeah same company in The Marine, corps and we've

493
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:13.880
<v Speaker 3>kept in touch off and on throughout the. Years AND

494
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:16.880
<v Speaker 3>i knew he worked At Camp hope or he was

495
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:19.880
<v Speaker 3>involved With Camp. Hope AND i, said, hey what does

496
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:22.160
<v Speaker 3>someone have to? Do what DO i what does someone

497
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:25.119
<v Speaker 3>have to do to come To Camp? Hope and he

498
00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:27.960
<v Speaker 3>basically was, saying you, know your D d two fourteen

499
00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:30.240
<v Speaker 3>need need to be a combat veteran and stuff like.

500
00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:33.279
<v Speaker 3>That we're both, like, yeah you know you're you're, that

501
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:35.559
<v Speaker 3>you know you'd qualify and stuff like.

502
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:38.359
<v Speaker 4>That so he sent me a. LINK i.

503
00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:42.680
<v Speaker 3>Applied it was probably took me no longer than five.

504
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:45.559
<v Speaker 3>Minutes it was a quick, application talk a little bit

505
00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:48.000
<v Speaker 3>about your, deployments you know what brands and stuff like,

506
00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:51.440
<v Speaker 3>that and then you send it in and then, yeah

507
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:53.519
<v Speaker 3>someone contacted me a couple of days later From Camp.

508
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Hope did he tell you how much it? Costs?

509
00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:01.400
<v Speaker 4>Free he, said it's, free just just get. There and.

510
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:07.279
<v Speaker 3>You, know ACTUALLY i, was, YEAH i didn't even have

511
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:09.480
<v Speaker 3>to pay for my plane Tickets southwest a free ticket

512
00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:12.079
<v Speaker 3>On southwest thanks to, uh you, KNOW i guess THE

513
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:13.519
<v Speaker 3>Ptsd foundation to.

514
00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:14.720
<v Speaker 4>Us, yeah SO.

515
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:18.160
<v Speaker 3>I flew here From, uh, Yeah california flew me in

516
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:19.440
<v Speaker 3>The Houston nate picked me.

517
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Up how awesome is? That?

518
00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:26.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah so it. Was it was chauffeur, service door

519
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:27.440
<v Speaker 4>to door so.

520
00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Here, yeah that's. Fantastic. Awesome your family supportive of what's going.

521
00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:37.599
<v Speaker 3>On they've been very. Supportive, so my mom and my

522
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:41.160
<v Speaker 3>sister currently live In. Dallas my brother lives In Oklahoma.

523
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:45.160
<v Speaker 3>City there you, Go i've been. Here, yeah shake you

524
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:49.759
<v Speaker 3>ahead of. Me So i've been At So i've been

525
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:53.000
<v Speaker 3>At Camp hope about ninety six, DAYS i, believe plus or.

526
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.799
<v Speaker 3>Minus and they've probably come to visit me five or six.

527
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:59.640
<v Speaker 3>Times and that's From dallas And Oklahoma. City my brother's,

528
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:01.880
<v Speaker 3>flown my sister and my mom have.

529
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:03.079
<v Speaker 4>Driven that's.

530
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:05.119
<v Speaker 2>Awesome we got to take one more quick break and

531
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:06.880
<v Speaker 2>we'll get right back to it when we get back

532
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:26.519
<v Speaker 2>with more Of road To hope. Radio you know, what,

533
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:28.680
<v Speaker 2>FRIEND i think one of the things THAT i really

534
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:33.559
<v Speaker 2>love is not in the. Plan it's just what happens

535
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:39.039
<v Speaker 2>At Camp. Hope. Uh like you, mentioned you Called nathan

536
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:41.240
<v Speaker 2>because you serve with him and he picks you up

537
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:43.559
<v Speaker 2>when you come into. Town you get here and you're

538
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:46.119
<v Speaker 2>here for ninety six. Days and finally figure out you

539
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:51.400
<v Speaker 2>guys were in the same. PLACE i loved hearing these

540
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:56.359
<v Speaker 2>guys seven, eight, nine ten years later and guys they

541
00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:59.839
<v Speaker 2>met in the, program which again people that had another otherwise. Met,

542
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.799
<v Speaker 2>necessarily you two would have never met if it weren't

543
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:05.839
<v Speaker 2>For Camp. Hope but seven, eight, nine ten years from,

544
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:09.839
<v Speaker 2>now you guys will still be. Friends. POSSIBLY i love those.

545
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:13.240
<v Speaker 2>STORIES i love seeing that all the, time, guys some

546
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:15.279
<v Speaker 2>of our staff go out and do the bike riding,

547
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.079
<v Speaker 2>thing like these guys would have never met each other

548
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:21.440
<v Speaker 2>and probably didn't wouldn't have liked each, other at least

549
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:25.039
<v Speaker 2>not in the condition that they were in at the,

550
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:28.799
<v Speaker 2>time but they came To Camp hope but friends years.

551
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:29.079
<v Speaker 4>Later.

552
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:34.039
<v Speaker 2>That, uh that brings me a lot of. Joy All,

553
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:37.480
<v Speaker 2>right so you Decide Camp hope's the place for. You,

554
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:43.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah i'm sure it helped that you Knew. Nathan it.

555
00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:48.200
<v Speaker 3>Did, yeah it helped a. Lot knowing That nathan worked

556
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:54.400
<v Speaker 3>for the for the foundation. Helped it kind of reassured,

557
00:30:54.440 --> 00:30:56.920
<v Speaker 3>me you know that you, Know and THEN i know

558
00:30:57.039 --> 00:31:00.200
<v Speaker 3>That nathan went through the program graduated as, well and

559
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:03.559
<v Speaker 3>we talked about the program and he said it really

560
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:04.119
<v Speaker 3>helped him a.

561
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:06.400
<v Speaker 4>Lot it didn't cure him from.

562
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:11.000
<v Speaker 3>HIS, ptsd but gave him tools to, live tools to

563
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.039
<v Speaker 3>live a different way of, living, basically that's how he said.

564
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:16.480
<v Speaker 3>It so it kind of gave me the final nudge

565
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:19.400
<v Speaker 3>to go ahead and make the decision to you, know,

566
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:23.759
<v Speaker 3>basically to Leave california and come To houston to be

567
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:24.240
<v Speaker 3>At Camp.

568
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:27.279
<v Speaker 2>Hope that's a big, step especially when you know the

569
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:30.880
<v Speaker 2>program's designed to be rather. Lengthy, yes six to nine.

570
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.240
<v Speaker 2>Months so there's so if, you if you just think about,

571
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:37.400
<v Speaker 2>it those of your listening, like this is a whole

572
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:42.720
<v Speaker 2>new world to. You combat. That so you got combat related,

573
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:46.039
<v Speaker 2>trauma probably several other traumas in your life the time

574
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:50.000
<v Speaker 2>you get to. Camp so you got this mental health

575
00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:53.920
<v Speaker 2>thing going ON. Ptsd so anxiety almost one hundred percent

576
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:57.960
<v Speaker 2>of the, time the anxieties through the, roof and now

577
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:00.839
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna up and go to some you've never, been

578
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:05.079
<v Speaker 2>be around a bunch of people you've never, met and do.

579
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:09.720
<v Speaker 2>What SO i JUST i try to put myself in that,

580
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:14.799
<v Speaker 2>mindset like how anxious must a person be when they

581
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:18.079
<v Speaker 2>are about to step onto this campus that they're going

582
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:21.279
<v Speaker 2>to spend the next however many months of their. Life

583
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:23.839
<v Speaker 2>what's it going to be like it had to help

584
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:26.880
<v Speaker 2>obviously you With, nathan but if you don't know, anybody

585
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:29.160
<v Speaker 2>and even if you, DO i, mean the anxiety is

586
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:30.039
<v Speaker 2>still got to be pretty. Roal.

587
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:32.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah so for, ME i got out in two thousand and,

588
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:38.279
<v Speaker 3>Six SO i spent nineteen years and life just wasn't

589
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:38.839
<v Speaker 3>working for.

590
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:41.839
<v Speaker 4>ME i tried different.

591
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:45.799
<v Speaker 3>THINGS i attended church for a, while got sober for a,

592
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.240
<v Speaker 3>while fell back into drinking and stuff like, that and

593
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:52.400
<v Speaker 3>WHAT i was doing just wasn't. Working SO i figured

594
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:57.279
<v Speaker 3>six to nine months IF i could come To Camp,

595
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:01.759
<v Speaker 3>hope get, sober and you, know get closer To. God

596
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:04.640
<v Speaker 3>that was an important. Thing WHEN i found out it

597
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:07.839
<v Speaker 3>was a faith based. Foundation that was a big thing

598
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:12.440
<v Speaker 3>for me BECAUSE i wanted to get closer To. God those, things,

599
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:16.680
<v Speaker 3>yeah made it easier because IF i kept on the

600
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:19.880
<v Speaker 3>PATH i was, going you, know it wasn't gonna nothing

601
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.759
<v Speaker 3>was gonna cure. ITSELF i needed to get out of

602
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:24.839
<v Speaker 3>my you, know WHERE i was, living go to a

603
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:27.279
<v Speaker 3>new place six to nine, months all.

604
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:27.519
<v Speaker 4>Right.

605
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:30.799
<v Speaker 3>ALMOST i felt LIKE i looked at it as like a.

606
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:33.079
<v Speaker 3>Deployment all, right HERE i, Am i'm gonna go To.

607
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:35.279
<v Speaker 3>Houston i'm gonna do this. Thing i'm gonna get, Sober

608
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.480
<v Speaker 3>i'm gonna get closer To, god get new tools for

609
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:40.319
<v Speaker 3>my tool, belt learn a new way of.

610
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:41.799
<v Speaker 4>Living AND i wasn't.

611
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:45.359
<v Speaker 3>ANXIOUS i Knew, nate BUT i wasn't anxious BECAUSE i

612
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:48.559
<v Speaker 3>KNEW i was gonna be with my. BROTHERS i KNEW

613
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:51.480
<v Speaker 3>i was gonna be with guys that are combat veterans that.

614
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:57.279
<v Speaker 3>Served you know something we, have you, know different, generations

615
00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.359
<v Speaker 3>but we all have that same thing common that we

616
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:04.119
<v Speaker 3>signed up to serve our, country went to, combat you,

617
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:08.840
<v Speaker 3>know and came. Back and whether IT'S ptsd or substance,

618
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:10.960
<v Speaker 3>abuse we all have that one thing in, common was

619
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:14.840
<v Speaker 3>serving our country in. Combat so that that reassured me

620
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:15.199
<v Speaker 3>a little.

621
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Bit shared. Experience, yes it's it's it's.

622
00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:20.880
<v Speaker 5>POWERFUL i would have rather went back To iraq than

623
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:24.880
<v Speaker 5>to come To Camp. Hope it was awful the first

624
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:28.519
<v Speaker 5>TIME i came in the second, time it was so

625
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:30.639
<v Speaker 5>so much fear and anxiety BECAUSE i had so much

626
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<v Speaker 5>a lot of our, guys including, myself have so much toxic.

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<v Speaker 5>Shame because there were really good, men had good. Professions

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<v Speaker 5>we've served our country most most of these, men all

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<v Speaker 5>of them are really good. Men but when you start

630
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<v Speaker 5>to do things to cope and you go, downhill you're

631
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.079
<v Speaker 5>so shameful and you're so, isolated you don't want to

632
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<v Speaker 5>look people in the. Eyes and that's how that's how

633
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:50.760
<v Speaker 5>most of us show, up including. Myself it was it

634
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:54.039
<v Speaker 5>was not. COOL i almost left almost every day for

635
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<v Speaker 5>the first couple of, weeks and, guys guys will do,

636
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:58.920
<v Speaker 5>that like just stay one more, hour just stay one more,

637
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:00.480
<v Speaker 5>day and we're, like if we and get one more

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<v Speaker 5>day out of, them because it's not easy in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Beginning it's interesting because on that tour THAT i, mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>the three hour, tour one of the staff members THAT

641
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:16.320
<v Speaker 2>i introduced them to made the comment coming To Camp

642
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:19.599
<v Speaker 2>hope was the scariest Thing i've ever. Done and then

643
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:22.800
<v Speaker 2>he made it very clear it was scarier than boot.

644
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Camp it was scarier than going to war coming To Camp.

645
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Hope and you know that got everybody's, attention all right

646
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<v Speaker 2>when you hear, that like, oh and then he went

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<v Speaker 2>on to say. Why he, Said the reason WAS i

648
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:41.639
<v Speaker 2>knew WHEN i, WENT i had to own WHAT i had,

649
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:44.800
<v Speaker 2>done WHAT i had failed to, do AND i had

650
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<v Speaker 2>to look deep into my. SOUL i knew what was

651
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.400
<v Speaker 2>coming and that's what scared.

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<v Speaker 5>Me that's the accountability. Piece, yes you spent a couple

653
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:54.440
<v Speaker 5>of weeks on our, campus you're going to, Realize oh my,

654
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:57.039
<v Speaker 5>gosh these dudes are the real deal and they've healed from.

655
00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:59.920
<v Speaker 5>This they're doing it and if in the way it's set.

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<v Speaker 5>UP i don't want to give away the secret, sauce

657
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:04.480
<v Speaker 5>but that's that's how it's set. Up man to face

658
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:06.960
<v Speaker 5>this stuff and to grow into heal from OUR. Ptsd

659
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.159
<v Speaker 5>and it's it's hard because you're facing. Yourself that's what

660
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:12.440
<v Speaker 5>we're fighting when we show. UP i was fighting, myself,

661
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:14.679
<v Speaker 5>now you, guys not the, staff not the, counselor's not

662
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:16.960
<v Speaker 5>my you, know, unit or my ex. Wife it was

663
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:21.840
<v Speaker 5>Facing brandon and that that was. TERRIFYING M and all

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00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:24.440
<v Speaker 5>the stuff we pushed down from combat exact because that's

665
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:27.519
<v Speaker 5>part of the coping, skill you, know disassociate from it

666
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:29.159
<v Speaker 5>BECAUSE i gotta. FIGHT i got to move on to

667
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:30.599
<v Speaker 5>the next. FIGHT i can't deal with.

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<v Speaker 3>This, yeah there's there's certain THINGS i haven't thought about

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00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:37.000
<v Speaker 3>or talked about SINCE i was in The Marine, corps

670
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<v Speaker 3>AND i just pushed those things, down didn't want to

671
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:41.639
<v Speaker 3>talk about, them try not to think about them and

672
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:43.679
<v Speaker 3>those some of those are some of the Things i'm

673
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:44.599
<v Speaker 3>working through now At Camp.

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<v Speaker 4>Hope so.

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<v Speaker 2>Our time here is all, unfortunate almost. Done this is

676
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.800
<v Speaker 2>always just the fastest hour of my, week every Single

677
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:55.079
<v Speaker 2>how in the world have we already? Done because they

678
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:58.079
<v Speaker 2>always just want to hear so much? More but ninety

679
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.639
<v Speaker 2>six days, in so you've still got a long way to. Go,

680
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:06.440
<v Speaker 2>yes what's changing in your? Mindset when you wake up

681
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:09.039
<v Speaker 2>in the, morning you compare to how you felt this

682
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:12.320
<v Speaker 2>morning when you woke up versus six months ago when

683
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:12.760
<v Speaker 2>you woke.

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00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:14.239
<v Speaker 4>UP i, MEAN i feel.

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<v Speaker 3>Great first of, All i'm, Sober i'm not. Hungover that, Helps,

686
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:26.199
<v Speaker 3>yeah that helps a. Lot the clarity of thought doing morning. Devotionals,

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<v Speaker 3>hey that leaves.

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<v Speaker 2>ME i had to cut you off because, sure but real,

689
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<v Speaker 2>quick you mentioned you you came here wanting to work

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<v Speaker 2>on your relationship With.

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<v Speaker 4>God, yes that was a big.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing so for, me real, quick how has that developed for?

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<v Speaker 2>You and how has it affected? You that you know

694
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.639
<v Speaker 2>there's others that have no interest in, It so how's

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00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:48.800
<v Speaker 2>that worked for you while you've been?

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<v Speaker 3>HERE i, MEAN i know myself And i've had a

697
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:55.400
<v Speaker 3>relationship with The. LORD i gave my life To christ

698
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<v Speaker 3>WHEN i was in high. School, UNFORTUNATELY i fell. Away

699
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.079
<v Speaker 3>AND i know WHEN i got sober for a brief

700
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<v Speaker 3>time AND i try to get my life kind of

701
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:06.280
<v Speaker 3>to try to get my life back on. TRACK i

702
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:08.320
<v Speaker 3>was going to, CHURCH i was reading My. Bible my

703
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:12.079
<v Speaker 3>relationship With jesus was, close AND i wanted to get

704
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.360
<v Speaker 3>back to that AND i just wasn't able to do.

705
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:17.039
<v Speaker 3>IT i, was to be, HONEST i wasn't able to

706
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:20.400
<v Speaker 3>get sober on my own enough to go back to,

707
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:25.639
<v Speaker 3>church read My, bible and going To Camp hope made

708
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:29.599
<v Speaker 3>that easier for. Me and it structured like they, said

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00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:32.480
<v Speaker 3>it's accountability AND i don't have any.

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<v Speaker 4>DISTRACTIONS i don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you're making some progress.

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<v Speaker 3>There i'm making. Progress i'm closer to The. LORD i

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<v Speaker 3>have a relationship with The lord.

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<v Speaker 4>Now it's. Awesome that's WHERE i want.

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