Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. As the Jeffrey Epstein related fallout continues to
rain down, people are starting to pay a price, and
one of those people is Katherine Rumler, the former Obama
White House counsel and currently the top lawyer at Goldman Sachs.
And honestly, it's a long time coming. This isn't some revelation.
If you follow the story, you know about Katherine Rumler,
and you know that she was offering Jeffrey Epstein all
kinds of advice and strategy to help fight the charges
that he was facing, and even though he was a
disgusting animal, she had no problem remaining his friend, especially
considering that friendship also came with a lot of perks,
such as a nine thousand, three hundred and fifty dollars handbag,
which is wild to me considering how rich this lady is. Anyway,
you mean to tell me, ms, big shot lawyer here
can't come up with nine thousand, three hundred and fifty dollars.
So it's not just the perk, right, not just the bag.
She actually really enjoyed Jeffrey Epstein. She enjoyed his company,
She enjoyed his friendship, and she certainly enjoyed his patronage.
Today's article was published by Reuters and the headline Jeffrey
Epstein gave her a nine three hundred and fifty dollars handbag.
But did Goldman Sachs departing top lawyer violate any rules
This article was authored by Jenna green Well. Maybe not
any rules of the trade, but she certainly broke all
the rules of morality, and considering the shit storm, Goldman
Sachs is certainly in the right letting her go. Now.
Of course she'll say she's stepping down, but you know,
the pressure came from the top shareholders, people on the board.
Nobody wants to deal with this shit, and that's because
all of you have kept the pressure on. So every
one of you who have been engaged, following along and
demanding justice, shed give yourselves a pat on the back,
because you're the real engine behind all of this. Not
my big mouth, not anybody else talking about it. It's
all of you folks who are demanding justice and who
refuse to be told to move on, because I promise you,
if you weren't making the kind distinct that you're making,
they would have already moved on. We'd have no files, nothing.
So the whole entire thing, as far as where we
are is because of folks like you. Goldman Sachs top
lawyer Catherine Rumler faced fierce criticism on social media and
calls for her ouster following revelations that she accepted thousands
of dollars worth of gifts from Jeffrey Epstein when she
was previously a partner at a law firm. As a
matter of attorney ethics, her conduct didn't appear to violate
any professional rules, but I raised questions of judgment. Some
legal ethics experts told me, well, it really comes down
to the blowback. They might wrap it in some kind
of dressing. Oh yeah, yeah, it was about ethics, It
was about this that the other thing, But really it's
about pushback. They don't want to deal with you folks
going bananas, and they now know that this isn't going
to just blow over. So they had to do something,
and that something is removing Catherine Rumler. Late Thursday, Rumler
announced her resignation as Goldman's Chief Legal Officer and General Council,
effective June thirtieth. My responsibility is to put Goldman Sachs
Interest first, Rumbler said in a statement. Goldman chief executive
David Solomon, who had initially stood by Rumler, said in
a statement that Rumler has been an extraordinary general Council
and will be missed. I don't worry. I'm sure you
can find another pedophile adjacent person to come and take
the reins. A spokesperson for Rumler, who served as White
House counsel during the Obama administration, said earlier this week
that she was never Epstein's lawyer and that she had
done nothing wrong. Okay, so that's pretty important, right. She's
saying that she has never been Epstein's lawyer, so that
means that there is no lawyer client privilege, so they
can't hide behind that. Let's just keep that in mind
moving forward as more information comes out about Catherine Rumler.
Ethic rules for lawyers offer few guardrails on propriety of
accepting gifts. Most day bars have adopted an American Bar
Association rule that says a lawyer may not solicit a
substantial gift from a client, but the rule doesn't prevent
a lawyer from accepting an unsolicited client gift, no matter
how valuable. Said Fordham School of Law Ethics professor Bruce Green.
Nor are lawyers barred from soliciting or accepting substantial gifts
from a former client or other non client. Look, let's
not get caught in the weeds here. That's not what
this is about. It's not about a three hundred and
fifty dollars bag. It's about her judgment being skewed. It's
about her judgment being terrible. It's about her associating, frolicking,
and enjoying the company of a convicted sex offender. I mean,
if you're Goldman Sachs, do you want this lady representing
your company? I know, I wouldn't talk about a nightmare.
If she can't even figure out that Epstein's a piece
of shit, you really want her in charge of negotiating
billion dollar deals and whatnot? Seems like a situation that
you try to avoid at all costs. According to Rumler
spokesperson Jennifer Connolly, Rumler knew Epstein through her prior work
as a criminal defense attorney, receive referrals from him, and
was friendly with them in a personal context. Epstein also
occasionally sought her informal legal advice, and she responded based
on what she knew, and often in ways designed to
placate him without having to actually get involved. Connolly wrote
in an email, still lying, Still lying about the relationship.
Just admit it. Just admit that you enjoyed his company,
you knew what he was, and you didn't give a
fuck about the people he heard. I'm so tired of
the lying, the bullshitting. The mental gymnastics Goldman has a
thirty nine page quote of conduct that includes instructions on
giving but not receiving gifts from clients. It also prohibits
employees from engaging in outside activities that create conflicts, reputational risks,
or any other negative impact to the firm or our clients.
I mean, right there is cause for firing. You want
to talk about reputational risk, You want to talk about
a serious problem, folks, this is it. Imagine being a
board member, somebody that holds a large number of stock
over here. Imagine what you're thinking right now. And make
no mistake, the only reason she resigned is because they
were letting her say face. She was on her way out.
No matter what. It's unclear to what extent the rule
would have obligated Rumler to disclose her prior association with
the notorious financier, whose death in twenty nineteen was front
page news, or if such disclosure was made. Rumbler was
hired by Goldman in April of twenty twenty. They already knew,
they didn't care, Just like the rest of these people.
It's always the same story. Right after the fact, they'll
tell you, oh, we care so much about Epstein's survivors,
we care so much about what Epstein was doing. But
the reality is, when they had a chance to not
hire them, to not associate with them, they sure had
no problem doing it. Goldman spokesperson Tony Fratto told Reuters
last week that Epstein often offered unsolicited favors and gifts
to many business contacts. Rumler accepted the gifts between twenty
fourteen and twenty nineteen, when she was a partner at
Latham and Watkins, according to emails recently released by the
US Department of Justice. The law firm says Epstein was
not a client and declient further comment, Oh, I bet
they did. I bet you. They're running for cover. If
they have a bunker, they're hiding in it. Law firm
consultant Lisa Smith with Fairfax Associates said that while some
firms place limits on gifts from vendors, she hasn't seen
partnership agreements that address non clients. It would be difficult
to define that, but it's possible that exists, she said
via email. Latham's partnership agreement is not publicly available, and
the firm does not publish a code of ethics for
its lawyers on its website. Epstein pleaded guilty in Florida
State Court in two thousand and eight to felony solicitation
a prostitution and procuring a person under the age of
eighteen for prostitution. Just to be clear, if you're under eighteen,
you can't be a prostitute. Okay, you're a child who's
being manipulated, groomed, abused. I hope that was clear for
everybody in the back. In July of two thousand nineteen,
he was arrested on a sex trafficking charge and died
a month later in a Manhattan jail cell in what
New York City's Chief Medical Examiner called a suicide. Based
on my review of a sample of more than nine
thousand emails from twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen that mentioned
Rumler's name. The exchanges offer a few indications of why
the gifts were given or what, if anything, Epstein expected
in return. A person from Bloomingdale's in twenty seventeen was
said to be a birthday present, and on Valentine's Day
in twenty eighteen, Epstein treated Rumler to a Glam Squad
hair and makeup appointment. At least twice he sent chicken
soup when she was sick. The email show, So how
many of you out there have sent chicken noodle soup
to somebody who's sick that you didn't really know. I'm
sure everybody's out there running to the store right now
to get some of that chicken noodle soup to send
to a stranger. These people really think you're stupid, That's
what they really think. And they're hoping beyond hope that
the water carriers that are out here in the media
do the job for them. Oh well, you see, this
wasn't that big of a deal. Everybody does it, yoho,
full stop. No, everybody doesn't do it. Only you, sick degenerates.
I adore him. It's like having another older brother, Rumner
wrote in a twenty fifteen email to Epstein's assistant. Also
buried in the DOJ's document release a twenty sixteen email
from Epstein forwarding a flattering column I wrote for a
legal publication about Rumner's work on behalf of a Dubai bank.
The email appears to have been sent to executives a
Swiss bank Edmund the Rothschild. Well, we know he was
working for the Rothschilds, and I know that sounds like
some crazy ass Alex Jones level shit, but it's true.
According to Connolly, the bank was a client of Epstein
and Rumbler, and from the emails that appears that Epstein
had facilitated her introduction to the client, emailing Rumler in
twenty fourteen that Edmund D. Rothschild had a DOJ problem.
Without elaborating, he asked if she was prohibited from involvement. No,
no prohibition, she responded. A spokesperson for the bank did
not immediately respond to a request for comment. Well, well,
well what was she doing? What levers were being pulled?
And did Rumler play any part in the Obama administration
hiding this and covering this up? Because make no mistake,
the Obama administration had all this information. They knew what
was going on, they knew what Epstein was and they
hit it too. So Thomas Massey the other day hit
the nail on the head, but he didn't go back
far enough because this shit started during Clinton's first term
and it's been going on since. So all the people
out here that want to pass blame blame everybody else.
I got to tell you, it's everybody's fault. Neither side
has cared about this, and that's why we find ourselves
in the position that we're in. But when you have
somebody like Katherine Rumler, who is this high up, who
is somebody that's the White House counsel, and they're being
asked to step in and you know, help out with
the DOJ, that's a problem. And if Prince Andrew and
MANDELSSN are going to get hemmed up, don't you think
that people that were in a position like Rumbler's here
in America should also face serious scrutiny? I most certainly do.
Reuter's was unable to establish what issue Epstein was referring to,
or whether Rumbler was ultimately retained to work on it.
Rumbler's bounty from Epstein included a Hermes purse priced at
nine thousand, three hundred and fifty dollars in twenty sixteen,
and defendeecote and bag costing six thousand, eight hundred in
August of twenty eighteen. According to emails released by the DOJ.
Other gifts include wine, flowers and a massage at the
Four Seasons in Washington, DC. The email show boy, it
must be nice, huh out here on the predator's dime
getting your legs rubbed. Hope you enjoy yourself, because I
can assure you that the girls that were involved with
massaging Jeffrey Epstein and his gross ass friends, they didn't
have very much fun. Should Rumler have known better than
to accept? With a benefit of hindsight, it seems easy
to say yes, and to see Epstein's campaign of largesse
as a deliberate move to get a leading lawyer in
his corner, even unofficially still run in cover for your
friend here. Huh. Let's just face it, Catherine Rumler piece
of shit, okay, point blank period, no cover. That's it.
That's what she is. And this is why I'm calling
for a special counsel, someone that goes back and looks
at everything, Obama, Bush, Clinton, everybody. Everything has to be
on the table. In twenty eighteen, the Miami Herald and
other news outlets reported in detail on allegations of sexual
abuse by teen girls against Epstein. Oh stop it. It
was widely reported the first time around. Don't even sit
here for a minute and act like you had no
idea that shit is not going to work. Rumbler spokesperson
said her views on Epstein were shaped by his denial
of any wrongdoing other than what he had pled guilty
two years prior, and that if she had known what
she knows now, she never would have dealt with them
at all. By the nature of their practice, criminal defense
lawyers are going to have relationships with unsavory people. What
lawyers need to keep in mind is whether such relationships
could reflect poorly on their firm or company, said Downey
Law Group founder Michael Downey, whose firm folks on legal
ethics and lawyer discipline defense. Especially if gifts or favors
are involved, the rules of professional conduct, though necessarily come
into play, he said, Instead, it's ultimately a question of judgment. Well, folks,
I don't think there's any question that she hues poor
judgment and while she was having a great time getting
her massage and having her Hermes bag, that Epstein bill
is now due and Katherine Rumler is paying up with interest.
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