1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,319 Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the 2 00:00:03,319 --> 00:00:08,160 Epstein Chronicles. As the Jeffrey Epstein related fallout continues to 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,919 rain down, people are starting to pay a price, and 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,199 one of those people is Katherine Rumler, the former Obama 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:21,160 White House counsel and currently the top lawyer at Goldman Sachs. 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,440 And honestly, it's a long time coming. This isn't some revelation. 7 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:29,160 If you follow the story, you know about Katherine Rumler, 8 00:00:29,399 --> 00:00:31,480 and you know that she was offering Jeffrey Epstein all 9 00:00:31,559 --> 00:00:35,200 kinds of advice and strategy to help fight the charges 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,280 that he was facing, and even though he was a 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:43,280 disgusting animal, she had no problem remaining his friend, especially 12 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,560 considering that friendship also came with a lot of perks, 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,079 such as a nine thousand, three hundred and fifty dollars handbag, 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,240 which is wild to me considering how rich this lady is. Anyway, 15 00:00:54,439 --> 00:00:56,359 you mean to tell me, ms, big shot lawyer here 16 00:00:56,799 --> 00:00:59,359 can't come up with nine thousand, three hundred and fifty dollars. 17 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,119 So it's not just the perk, right, not just the bag. 18 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,239 She actually really enjoyed Jeffrey Epstein. She enjoyed his company, 19 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:11,319 She enjoyed his friendship, and she certainly enjoyed his patronage. 20 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,640 Today's article was published by Reuters and the headline Jeffrey 21 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,920 Epstein gave her a nine three hundred and fifty dollars handbag. 22 00:01:19,159 --> 00:01:23,680 But did Goldman Sachs departing top lawyer violate any rules 23 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,799 This article was authored by Jenna green Well. Maybe not 24 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,680 any rules of the trade, but she certainly broke all 25 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,280 the rules of morality, and considering the shit storm, Goldman 26 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:38,480 Sachs is certainly in the right letting her go. Now. 27 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,879 Of course she'll say she's stepping down, but you know, 28 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,359 the pressure came from the top shareholders, people on the board. 29 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,719 Nobody wants to deal with this shit, and that's because 30 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,719 all of you have kept the pressure on. So every 31 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,000 one of you who have been engaged, following along and 32 00:01:54,079 --> 00:01:57,040 demanding justice, shed give yourselves a pat on the back, 33 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,400 because you're the real engine behind all of this. Not 34 00:02:01,519 --> 00:02:04,560 my big mouth, not anybody else talking about it. It's 35 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:07,280 all of you folks who are demanding justice and who 36 00:02:07,319 --> 00:02:10,599 refuse to be told to move on, because I promise you, 37 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,080 if you weren't making the kind distinct that you're making, 38 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,199 they would have already moved on. We'd have no files, nothing. 39 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,120 So the whole entire thing, as far as where we 40 00:02:21,159 --> 00:02:25,800 are is because of folks like you. Goldman Sachs top 41 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,159 lawyer Catherine Rumler faced fierce criticism on social media and 42 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,719 calls for her ouster following revelations that she accepted thousands 43 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:38,479 of dollars worth of gifts from Jeffrey Epstein when she 44 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:42,199 was previously a partner at a law firm. As a 45 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,960 matter of attorney ethics, her conduct didn't appear to violate 46 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,719 any professional rules, but I raised questions of judgment. Some 47 00:02:49,879 --> 00:02:53,520 legal ethics experts told me, well, it really comes down 48 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:58,120 to the blowback. They might wrap it in some kind 49 00:02:58,159 --> 00:03:01,400 of dressing. Oh yeah, yeah, it was about ethics, It 50 00:03:01,439 --> 00:03:03,759 was about this that the other thing, But really it's 51 00:03:03,759 --> 00:03:07,199 about pushback. They don't want to deal with you folks 52 00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:10,080 going bananas, and they now know that this isn't going 53 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,840 to just blow over. So they had to do something, 54 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:19,759 and that something is removing Catherine Rumler. Late Thursday, Rumler 55 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,360 announced her resignation as Goldman's Chief Legal Officer and General Council, 56 00:03:24,599 --> 00:03:29,000 effective June thirtieth. My responsibility is to put Goldman Sachs 57 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Interest first, Rumbler said in a statement. Goldman chief executive 58 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,159 David Solomon, who had initially stood by Rumler, said in 59 00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:39,599 a statement that Rumler has been an extraordinary general Council 60 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,360 and will be missed. I don't worry. I'm sure you 61 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,800 can find another pedophile adjacent person to come and take 62 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:51,520 the reins. A spokesperson for Rumler, who served as White 63 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,560 House counsel during the Obama administration, said earlier this week 64 00:03:55,599 --> 00:03:58,360 that she was never Epstein's lawyer and that she had 65 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:04,000 done nothing wrong. Okay, so that's pretty important, right. She's 66 00:04:04,039 --> 00:04:07,000 saying that she has never been Epstein's lawyer, so that 67 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,840 means that there is no lawyer client privilege, so they 68 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,680 can't hide behind that. Let's just keep that in mind 69 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:16,879 moving forward as more information comes out about Catherine Rumler. 70 00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:21,759 Ethic rules for lawyers offer few guardrails on propriety of 71 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,920 accepting gifts. Most day bars have adopted an American Bar 72 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,680 Association rule that says a lawyer may not solicit a 73 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,439 substantial gift from a client, but the rule doesn't prevent 74 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:37,639 a lawyer from accepting an unsolicited client gift, no matter 75 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,639 how valuable. Said Fordham School of Law Ethics professor Bruce Green. 76 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:47,079 Nor are lawyers barred from soliciting or accepting substantial gifts 77 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,959 from a former client or other non client. Look, let's 78 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,800 not get caught in the weeds here. That's not what 79 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,560 this is about. It's not about a three hundred and 80 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:00,199 fifty dollars bag. It's about her judgment being skewed. It's 81 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:05,720 about her judgment being terrible. It's about her associating, frolicking, 82 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,399 and enjoying the company of a convicted sex offender. I mean, 83 00:05:10,399 --> 00:05:13,199 if you're Goldman Sachs, do you want this lady representing 84 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:17,720 your company? I know, I wouldn't talk about a nightmare. 85 00:05:17,879 --> 00:05:19,839 If she can't even figure out that Epstein's a piece 86 00:05:19,879 --> 00:05:23,279 of shit, you really want her in charge of negotiating 87 00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:26,959 billion dollar deals and whatnot? Seems like a situation that 88 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,959 you try to avoid at all costs. According to Rumler 89 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,879 spokesperson Jennifer Connolly, Rumler knew Epstein through her prior work 90 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,360 as a criminal defense attorney, receive referrals from him, and 91 00:05:38,519 --> 00:05:42,720 was friendly with them in a personal context. Epstein also 92 00:05:42,759 --> 00:05:47,720 occasionally sought her informal legal advice, and she responded based 93 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,319 on what she knew, and often in ways designed to 94 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,399 placate him without having to actually get involved. Connolly wrote 95 00:05:54,399 --> 00:05:58,160 in an email, still lying, Still lying about the relationship. 96 00:05:58,959 --> 00:06:02,160 Just admit it. Just admit that you enjoyed his company, 97 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:03,959 you knew what he was, and you didn't give a 98 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,160 fuck about the people he heard. I'm so tired of 99 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,800 the lying, the bullshitting. The mental gymnastics Goldman has a 100 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,199 thirty nine page quote of conduct that includes instructions on 101 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:20,000 giving but not receiving gifts from clients. It also prohibits 102 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:25,319 employees from engaging in outside activities that create conflicts, reputational risks, 103 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,519 or any other negative impact to the firm or our clients. 104 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,399 I mean, right there is cause for firing. You want 105 00:06:34,399 --> 00:06:37,279 to talk about reputational risk, You want to talk about 106 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:42,279 a serious problem, folks, this is it. Imagine being a 107 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,240 board member, somebody that holds a large number of stock 108 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,680 over here. Imagine what you're thinking right now. And make 109 00:06:49,759 --> 00:06:53,560 no mistake, the only reason she resigned is because they 110 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,279 were letting her say face. She was on her way out. 111 00:06:56,319 --> 00:06:59,519 No matter what. It's unclear to what extent the rule 112 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,519 would have obligated Rumler to disclose her prior association with 113 00:07:03,639 --> 00:07:07,560 the notorious financier, whose death in twenty nineteen was front 114 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,920 page news, or if such disclosure was made. Rumbler was 115 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,240 hired by Goldman in April of twenty twenty. They already knew, 116 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:18,560 they didn't care, Just like the rest of these people. 117 00:07:18,759 --> 00:07:22,439 It's always the same story. Right after the fact, they'll 118 00:07:22,439 --> 00:07:25,199 tell you, oh, we care so much about Epstein's survivors, 119 00:07:25,319 --> 00:07:28,360 we care so much about what Epstein was doing. But 120 00:07:28,399 --> 00:07:30,560 the reality is, when they had a chance to not 121 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,399 hire them, to not associate with them, they sure had 122 00:07:34,439 --> 00:07:38,759 no problem doing it. Goldman spokesperson Tony Fratto told Reuters 123 00:07:38,839 --> 00:07:43,199 last week that Epstein often offered unsolicited favors and gifts 124 00:07:43,519 --> 00:07:47,959 to many business contacts. Rumler accepted the gifts between twenty 125 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,120 fourteen and twenty nineteen, when she was a partner at 126 00:07:52,199 --> 00:07:56,040 Latham and Watkins, according to emails recently released by the 127 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,839 US Department of Justice. The law firm says Epstein was 128 00:07:59,839 --> 00:08:03,360 not a client and declient further comment, Oh, I bet 129 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:06,519 they did. I bet you. They're running for cover. If 130 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,319 they have a bunker, they're hiding in it. Law firm 131 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:15,040 consultant Lisa Smith with Fairfax Associates said that while some 132 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,560 firms place limits on gifts from vendors, she hasn't seen 133 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,720 partnership agreements that address non clients. It would be difficult 134 00:08:22,759 --> 00:08:26,199 to define that, but it's possible that exists, she said 135 00:08:26,279 --> 00:08:31,199 via email. Latham's partnership agreement is not publicly available, and 136 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:33,519 the firm does not publish a code of ethics for 137 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:37,679 its lawyers on its website. Epstein pleaded guilty in Florida 138 00:08:37,759 --> 00:08:41,200 State Court in two thousand and eight to felony solicitation 139 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,159 a prostitution and procuring a person under the age of 140 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:50,399 eighteen for prostitution. Just to be clear, if you're under eighteen, 141 00:08:50,919 --> 00:08:54,080 you can't be a prostitute. Okay, you're a child who's 142 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,759 being manipulated, groomed, abused. I hope that was clear for 143 00:08:57,759 --> 00:09:00,720 everybody in the back. In July of two thousand nineteen, 144 00:09:00,919 --> 00:09:04,039 he was arrested on a sex trafficking charge and died 145 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,759 a month later in a Manhattan jail cell in what 146 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:11,559 New York City's Chief Medical Examiner called a suicide. Based 147 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,759 on my review of a sample of more than nine 148 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:18,879 thousand emails from twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen that mentioned 149 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:23,960 Rumler's name. The exchanges offer a few indications of why 150 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,120 the gifts were given or what, if anything, Epstein expected 151 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:32,200 in return. A person from Bloomingdale's in twenty seventeen was 152 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,360 said to be a birthday present, and on Valentine's Day 153 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,559 in twenty eighteen, Epstein treated Rumler to a Glam Squad 154 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,200 hair and makeup appointment. At least twice he sent chicken 155 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,399 soup when she was sick. The email show, So how 156 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,559 many of you out there have sent chicken noodle soup 157 00:09:49,519 --> 00:09:53,159 to somebody who's sick that you didn't really know. I'm 158 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,720 sure everybody's out there running to the store right now 159 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,279 to get some of that chicken noodle soup to send 160 00:09:58,279 --> 00:10:02,039 to a stranger. These people really think you're stupid, That's 161 00:10:02,039 --> 00:10:06,480 what they really think. And they're hoping beyond hope that 162 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,240 the water carriers that are out here in the media 163 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,679 do the job for them. Oh well, you see, this 164 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:16,919 wasn't that big of a deal. Everybody does it, yoho, 165 00:10:17,039 --> 00:10:22,279 full stop. No, everybody doesn't do it. Only you, sick degenerates. 166 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,279 I adore him. It's like having another older brother, Rumner 167 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,600 wrote in a twenty fifteen email to Epstein's assistant. Also 168 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,480 buried in the DOJ's document release a twenty sixteen email 169 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,159 from Epstein forwarding a flattering column I wrote for a 170 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,519 legal publication about Rumner's work on behalf of a Dubai bank. 171 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,720 The email appears to have been sent to executives a 172 00:10:47,879 --> 00:10:51,279 Swiss bank Edmund the Rothschild. Well, we know he was 173 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,639 working for the Rothschilds, and I know that sounds like 174 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,159 some crazy ass Alex Jones level shit, but it's true. 175 00:10:57,639 --> 00:11:00,679 According to Connolly, the bank was a client of Epstein 176 00:11:00,879 --> 00:11:04,399 and Rumbler, and from the emails that appears that Epstein 177 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,639 had facilitated her introduction to the client, emailing Rumler in 178 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:13,799 twenty fourteen that Edmund D. Rothschild had a DOJ problem. 179 00:11:13,919 --> 00:11:18,879 Without elaborating, he asked if she was prohibited from involvement. No, 180 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:22,879 no prohibition, she responded. A spokesperson for the bank did 181 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:26,120 not immediately respond to a request for comment. Well, well, 182 00:11:26,159 --> 00:11:29,279 well what was she doing? What levers were being pulled? 183 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,080 And did Rumler play any part in the Obama administration 184 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:36,919 hiding this and covering this up? Because make no mistake, 185 00:11:37,159 --> 00:11:40,720 the Obama administration had all this information. They knew what 186 00:11:40,759 --> 00:11:44,039 was going on, they knew what Epstein was and they 187 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,200 hit it too. So Thomas Massey the other day hit 188 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,000 the nail on the head, but he didn't go back 189 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,960 far enough because this shit started during Clinton's first term 190 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,120 and it's been going on since. So all the people 191 00:11:58,159 --> 00:12:00,759 out here that want to pass blame blame everybody else. 192 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,519 I got to tell you, it's everybody's fault. Neither side 193 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,120 has cared about this, and that's why we find ourselves 194 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,039 in the position that we're in. But when you have 195 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:15,440 somebody like Katherine Rumler, who is this high up, who 196 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,240 is somebody that's the White House counsel, and they're being 197 00:12:19,279 --> 00:12:21,960 asked to step in and you know, help out with 198 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,440 the DOJ, that's a problem. And if Prince Andrew and 199 00:12:26,919 --> 00:12:29,360 MANDELSSN are going to get hemmed up, don't you think 200 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,799 that people that were in a position like Rumbler's here 201 00:12:31,799 --> 00:12:36,000 in America should also face serious scrutiny? I most certainly do. 202 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,559 Reuter's was unable to establish what issue Epstein was referring to, 203 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,240 or whether Rumbler was ultimately retained to work on it. 204 00:12:46,039 --> 00:12:49,759 Rumbler's bounty from Epstein included a Hermes purse priced at 205 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,120 nine thousand, three hundred and fifty dollars in twenty sixteen, 206 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,840 and defendeecote and bag costing six thousand, eight hundred in 207 00:12:57,919 --> 00:13:02,559 August of twenty eighteen. According to emails released by the DOJ. 208 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,600 Other gifts include wine, flowers and a massage at the 209 00:13:06,639 --> 00:13:10,559 Four Seasons in Washington, DC. The email show boy, it 210 00:13:10,639 --> 00:13:13,440 must be nice, huh out here on the predator's dime 211 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,440 getting your legs rubbed. Hope you enjoy yourself, because I 212 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,639 can assure you that the girls that were involved with 213 00:13:20,759 --> 00:13:25,080 massaging Jeffrey Epstein and his gross ass friends, they didn't 214 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,519 have very much fun. Should Rumler have known better than 215 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,000 to accept? With a benefit of hindsight, it seems easy 216 00:13:32,039 --> 00:13:35,279 to say yes, and to see Epstein's campaign of largesse 217 00:13:35,879 --> 00:13:38,360 as a deliberate move to get a leading lawyer in 218 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:43,080 his corner, even unofficially still run in cover for your 219 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,679 friend here. Huh. Let's just face it, Catherine Rumler piece 220 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,639 of shit, okay, point blank period, no cover. That's it. 221 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,000 That's what she is. And this is why I'm calling 222 00:13:53,039 --> 00:13:56,559 for a special counsel, someone that goes back and looks 223 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:03,799 at everything, Obama, Bush, Clinton, everybody. Everything has to be 224 00:14:03,879 --> 00:14:10,600 on the table. In twenty eighteen, the Miami Herald and 225 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,559 other news outlets reported in detail on allegations of sexual 226 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,360 abuse by teen girls against Epstein. Oh stop it. It 227 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,559 was widely reported the first time around. Don't even sit 228 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,320 here for a minute and act like you had no 229 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:30,759 idea that shit is not going to work. Rumbler spokesperson 230 00:14:30,799 --> 00:14:33,399 said her views on Epstein were shaped by his denial 231 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:36,759 of any wrongdoing other than what he had pled guilty 232 00:14:36,759 --> 00:14:39,679 two years prior, and that if she had known what 233 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,080 she knows now, she never would have dealt with them 234 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,600 at all. By the nature of their practice, criminal defense 235 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:50,440 lawyers are going to have relationships with unsavory people. What 236 00:14:50,519 --> 00:14:53,279 lawyers need to keep in mind is whether such relationships 237 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,000 could reflect poorly on their firm or company, said Downey 238 00:14:57,159 --> 00:15:01,080 Law Group founder Michael Downey, whose firm folks on legal 239 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,720 ethics and lawyer discipline defense. Especially if gifts or favors 240 00:15:05,879 --> 00:15:10,600 are involved, the rules of professional conduct, though necessarily come 241 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:15,960 into play, he said, Instead, it's ultimately a question of judgment. Well, folks, 242 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,360 I don't think there's any question that she hues poor 243 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,000 judgment and while she was having a great time getting 244 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,799 her massage and having her Hermes bag, that Epstein bill 245 00:15:27,159 --> 00:15:30,799 is now due and Katherine Rumler is paying up with interest. 246 00:15:32,639 --> 00:15:35,240 All of the information that goes with this episode can 247 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:37,480 be found in the description box