1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:24,359 Speaker 1: You were listening to Petlifradio dot com. 2 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,719 Speaker 2: And a good morning or a good afternoon to all 3 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,800 of you out there listening to us here live on 4 00:00:28,879 --> 00:00:31,440 pet Life Radios as the Pets with Doctor Jeff. I'm 5 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,560 your host for the next thirty minutes here on pet 6 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,640 Life Radio. Your name is doctor Jeff Werber, and we're 7 00:00:36,679 --> 00:00:39,920 here obviously to talk pets. We're here for you. We 8 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:41,840 want you to call in and we want your emails, 9 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,439 your text, whatever you want to do. However you want 10 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,600 to get ahold of us go ahead. Easiest way, of 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,640 course is to give us a call toll free eight 12 00:00:47,679 --> 00:00:50,840 seven seven three eight five eight eight eight two. 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And just as I'm sure you know, 37 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,879 because I know because I am one vetterny medicine is 38 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,040 not cheap anymore. Prices are going up crazy. Employee costs 39 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,760 you're going up like crazy. And unfortunately so few of 40 00:02:05,799 --> 00:02:08,159 you have pet insurance. I don't know why you don't. 41 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,800 I mean, in the United Kingdom, thirty five to forty 42 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,439 percent of pet owners pet parents carry pet insurance for 43 00:02:13,439 --> 00:02:16,520 their pets. In Sweden it's sixty percent, and here in 44 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,280 the US it's less than two percent, maybe even less 45 00:02:20,319 --> 00:02:23,120 than one percent, depending on who you ask. That's terrible. 46 00:02:23,439 --> 00:02:27,719 So here everybody's complaining about the higher costs of really 47 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,639 quality veterinary care, and you can sort of cut those 48 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,039 costs at least and a half by just getting pet insurance, 49 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,439 and you're not doing it. So you got to stop complaining, 50 00:02:37,439 --> 00:02:39,319 go out and get yourself some pet insurance. That would 51 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,680 be the smartest thing to do to help allay some 52 00:02:42,719 --> 00:02:45,319 of the high costs of really quality care. But what 53 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,439 I'm here to do is maybe help you avoid some 54 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,319 expensive care by sort of helping guide you through an 55 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,680 approach to treating a problem, to diagnosing and treating a problem. 56 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,360 And I find that. I mean, I've been on my 57 00:02:57,439 --> 00:02:59,840 soapbox before, and since this is my show, I'm a 58 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,800 loud but I think that a lot of younger veterinarians 59 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,120 are so well. First of all, their concept of a 60 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,800 problem is skewed. Why, understandably, is because they've been at 61 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,840 these big teaching hospitals at the veterinary schools across the country, 62 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,759 and the types of cases that usually end up out 63 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:19,199 of veterinary school are pretty bizarre cases. So when these 64 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,599 students are seeing these pretty bizarre cases in their mind 65 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,000 when they get out of school, that's the reason for 66 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,840 these the symptom when in fact, no, that's really bizarre, 67 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,039 as we like to call them. Those are the zebras, 68 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,759 the horses, the normal common stuff you're going to see 69 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,360 just in your routine practice. You don't have to approach 70 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,520 that way. You can discover a little bit more thought now, 71 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,000 a little more evaluation, a little bit more analyzing, and 72 00:03:42,039 --> 00:03:44,159 coming up with a better game plan that's not going 73 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,240 to break the bank on the first visit. So what 74 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,199 we've been doing here on Ascinevats with doctor Jeff is 75 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,719 until we get your calls, until we get your emails 76 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,280 or your texts or whatever, I kind of like prepare 77 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,000 organ system discussions. And we've been through a lot already. 78 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:04,360 We finished eyes, we finished the skin limping joints, we 79 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,240 finished the guest to intestinal track vomiting tyrea, and now 80 00:04:08,479 --> 00:04:12,560 we are going to talk about respiratory we started before. 81 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:15,319 And we just got a call coming in, so let's connect. 82 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:17,000 Hi can hear me? This is doctor Jeff. 83 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 3: Hiks, doctor Jeff, This is John jab I called you. 84 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,000 Oh yes, yes, yeah. 85 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,519 Speaker 2: Bringing the production to the new puppy, how's it going? 86 00:04:25,879 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 3: Well? As soon as you told me to title the 87 00:04:28,959 --> 00:04:32,360 resident dog, she took to it like an hour and 88 00:04:32,399 --> 00:04:34,959 she was few with great. She didn't fire shoot in 89 00:04:35,519 --> 00:04:38,240 grawl at the new puppy. But then, you know, the 90 00:04:38,439 --> 00:04:41,519 time went on, we couldn't watch the dog all the time, 91 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:43,839 so hight be in the kitchen or something, and the 92 00:04:43,879 --> 00:04:46,560 two dogs would be kind of looking at each other, 93 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,759 and a puppy wants to play, right, you know, she's 94 00:04:48,759 --> 00:04:51,560 just she's going over there, she's raising her paw, and 95 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:53,920 the old dog is still, you know, kind of looking 96 00:04:53,959 --> 00:04:55,920 at her, a growling. So how do we get them 97 00:04:55,959 --> 00:04:57,600 to the kind of bond? 98 00:04:58,079 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: All right? So first of all, that's a great question. 99 00:04:59,639 --> 00:05:02,000 Let me let me fill everybody in JB also, just 100 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,160 so we can get ry up to speed. So we 101 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,639 had a situation. We got a call actually from JB 102 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,000 that he was going to get a new puppy. Was planned, 103 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,160 so he knew it was coming. I gave him some 104 00:05:12,199 --> 00:05:14,040 advice and we talked about this on air as well. 105 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,399 How to gradually introduce the new puppy into the adult dog, 106 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,199 and also to start with holding some attention to the 107 00:05:22,199 --> 00:05:25,480 resident dog and withholding the favorite treats to the resident 108 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,839 dog and giving them again and giving more information at 109 00:05:28,879 --> 00:05:32,040 the introduction when that new puppy was around. The thing 110 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,120 that most of us make the mistakes about when we 111 00:05:34,199 --> 00:05:37,480 are introducing new babies, new puppies, new people, new boyfriends, girlfriends, whatever, 112 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,959 to a resident dog is that we wait until that 113 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,160 person has gone, the puppies asleep, the babies asleep, and 114 00:05:44,199 --> 00:05:47,720 then we feel so guilty for having done this right, 115 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,000 this intrusion to our resident dog, that that's when we 116 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,480 coddle them with affection and attention and treats, which is 117 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,399 exactly the wrong thing to do, because then you are 118 00:05:57,439 --> 00:06:01,160 teaching the resident dog that life is better. So we 119 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,800 followed some advice and now we have a new hurdle, which, 120 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,720 by the way, as JB will tell you, it works 121 00:06:05,759 --> 00:06:07,839 pretty well when you do it right. Now. The new 122 00:06:07,879 --> 00:06:11,199 hurdle are things like, you have an older dog that 123 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,199 likes its time alone and puppies like to play. So really, 124 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,720 now it's a function of teaching the puppy that there 125 00:06:20,759 --> 00:06:23,600 are times when you're not going to go near the 126 00:06:23,639 --> 00:06:26,759 big guy, and one of them is when big guy 127 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:29,560 is just kind of sleeping and once his or her 128 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,079 time alone. And the second, and this is probably the 129 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,240 two most critical areas when the big guy, the resident dog, 130 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,000 is eating or playing with their boner toy. Those are 131 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,920 two times the puppy has to know, uh, I'm not 132 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,800 going there because I'm gonna get growled at, I'm gonna 133 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,040 get snapped at. And that's a much tougher problem to 134 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,000 deal with because it's innate in many animals, even well trained. 135 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,560 I mean I used to visit my aunt over the holidays. 136 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:02,040 They lived in Florida, and she had magnificent yellow lab 137 00:07:02,319 --> 00:07:05,240 This was back in the day. She got it in 138 00:07:05,319 --> 00:07:08,240 nineteen seventy six, that was the you know, two hundred 139 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:11,959 year anniversary of the US and she called him Barney, 140 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,560 but his real given name was by Centennial Barnabas. By 141 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,959 Centennial Barnabas because he was nineteen seventy six model. And 142 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:22,519 Barney was the most amazing labrador, I mean, did all 143 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:24,959 the things that a labrador loved to do. But there 144 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,560 was one toy that nobody and I'm talking nobody, not 145 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,079 even the family, could go near Barney while he was 146 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,319 chewing on that toy. And it was hysterical because this guy, 147 00:07:36,439 --> 00:07:38,480 you can go up you can stick your face into 148 00:07:38,519 --> 00:07:41,000 his food while he's eating, and that was okay. You 149 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,759 can grab any other toy from his mouth, that was okay. 150 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,600 But there was this one bone that he says, uh, 151 00:07:47,639 --> 00:07:51,560 you're not getting this one, and so you know, there's 152 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,720 sometimes hard to figure out. So what I would do 153 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,800 this is I would start now working with the puppy 154 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,079 and either get a whistle or a foghorn or a 155 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:03,199 henny can or clap your hands, and you gotta just 156 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:05,279 keep an eye on things for now. It'll get better. 157 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:08,079 It'll get better with time. But right now, when you 158 00:08:08,319 --> 00:08:11,079 think that you have to leave the puppy alone, call 159 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,000 one of them into you so you can keep an 160 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,199 eye on him. And when you see or if you 161 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,560 see the puppy approaching the adult resident dog for playtime, 162 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,519 or especially when that resident dog is eating or playing 163 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,079 with its toys, you have to get that whistle, get 164 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,959 that clapped, get that foghorn, and basically divert the attention 165 00:08:29,079 --> 00:08:31,399 of the puppy. Call the puppy over and do something 166 00:08:31,439 --> 00:08:33,519 with a puppy, or call the resident dog over and 167 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,240 do selling a resident dog. But that's still a little dangerous. 168 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,679 It's still doing the game you've only been doing this 169 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,159 for about a month or not even so it's still 170 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,720 a time where you have to be very cautious. Try 171 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,919 not to leave him alone, try not to leave him unattended. 172 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,279 But it sounds like it's going great. Just you know, 173 00:08:48,279 --> 00:08:51,240 a little more patience. And another thing you can do 174 00:08:51,399 --> 00:08:55,480 is when you see the puppy approaching the resident dog, 175 00:08:55,759 --> 00:08:58,919 run up to a resident dog and say good boy, 176 00:08:59,039 --> 00:09:01,080 good boy, or good girl and give a treat. So 177 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:06,000 again you are reinforcing. You are praising the resonant dog 178 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,879 for allowing the new pup to be in its space, 179 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,159 and hopefully with that continued, then they'll start bonding and 180 00:09:14,159 --> 00:09:18,559 getting along. Interestingly, I have five dogs. They are amazing together. 181 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:21,279 They are together all the time. They play, but when 182 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:25,159 it comes to meal time, my two labradors will eat. 183 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,120 This is even using a no gulf type of bowl 184 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,000 and they can still finish their food in about ten 185 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:34,679 seconds flat. My labradoodle is that, you know, this is 186 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,080 the doodle part. He is such a gentle eater. He 187 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,159 is slow, he is methodical, he enjoys every single bite. 188 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,919 And when the labs are finished, they're obviously on the hunt. 189 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:48,080 So they go up to him, and this is where 190 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,919 even he under that circumstance, he will not let them 191 00:09:51,919 --> 00:09:54,600 get near his food. So it's very funny to watch, 192 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,879 but you know, usually they'll work it out. My only 193 00:09:56,879 --> 00:09:59,559 concern obviously, is that the puppy is a small puppy 194 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,519 and the resid the dog's not and I don't want 195 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,240 the puppy getting hurt. But puppy's gonna have to learn. 196 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,279 And these are the lessons that puppy had to learn 197 00:10:06,279 --> 00:10:08,960 from mom as well. So the little growl, a little 198 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,600 snap can go a long way. Just kind of be around. 199 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,919 Let them work it out to a degree. They are dogs, 200 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,759 they are pack animals. They are going to work it out. 201 00:10:17,879 --> 00:10:20,120 I just don't want anyone to get hurt in the process. 202 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:21,960 Always keep an eye on them for now, and just 203 00:10:22,039 --> 00:10:25,320 be ready with that distraction the pennycan, the foghorn, the whistle, 204 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,200 the hand clap, whatever it may be. But thanks much 205 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,600 for following up. I'm so glad that it's starting to work. Well. 206 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,200 Be patient, hanging there and I would love to hear 207 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:34,480 from you in a couple of weeks and just kind 208 00:10:34,519 --> 00:10:35,679 of let us know how things are going. 209 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, I couldn't believe like after you know, two 210 00:10:38,159 --> 00:10:40,519 hours of doing that, she took gray too, and give 211 00:10:40,519 --> 00:10:42,279 her a little treats, you know, give her her all 212 00:10:42,279 --> 00:10:45,039 the attention. When the puppy comes around and she stops growling, 213 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,080 that's great. And just a we have to get used 214 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,519 to is when she does we keep saying stop or 215 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:52,840 no or ban when you said just to make a 216 00:10:52,919 --> 00:10:55,960 noise to distractor and change her right for like brain 217 00:10:56,039 --> 00:10:57,200 of fot there right. 218 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,759 Speaker 2: When you say no or bad, the association to her 219 00:11:01,399 --> 00:11:04,320 is that new puppy is getting me yelled at. So 220 00:11:04,399 --> 00:11:06,600 I don't like that new puppy. So what we need 221 00:11:06,639 --> 00:11:09,480 to do is just get the attention. But you want 222 00:11:09,519 --> 00:11:12,919 to actually when the puppy starts approaching, give your resident dog, 223 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,639 give her praise and attention and treats instead of no 224 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,799 or bad. So remember this is very natural. It's very 225 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:21,759 natural for dogs to behave this way. And the hardest 226 00:11:21,799 --> 00:11:25,120 thing for us when we're working with behavior modification is 227 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,799 to stop using the word no or bad for a 228 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,360 behavior that is actually natural. What we have to do 229 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,240 is try to modify the reaction, modify the behavior to 230 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,440 something more positive. But when we say no to something 231 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,039 that's natural, it kind of messes them up a little bit, 232 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:46,480 and they draw that association to the closest thing, and 233 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:48,200 in this case, it's that puppy. And then we're going 234 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,440 to start building resentment again, which of course we don't 235 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:50,759 want to do. 236 00:11:50,879 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 3: But it's natural for us to say no. 237 00:11:53,039 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: Of course. Oh it's the first instinct we have. As 238 00:11:55,399 --> 00:11:58,480 I said, the most overased word and puppy dumb is no. 239 00:11:58,879 --> 00:12:01,360 And it's our fault. I mean, they're chewing. They're chewing 240 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:02,320 your good shoes. What do you go? 241 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 4: No? 242 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:06,039 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, chewing is natural, it's essential. They have to chew. 243 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,440 So who's the idiot that left those shoes around? You 244 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,440 want to get mad at somebody, kick yourself in the behind. 245 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,399 So that's where we have to be. We have to 246 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,240 kind of be a little smarter. And by the way, 247 00:12:14,519 --> 00:12:16,639 now that i'm I just said that with a shoe example. 248 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:18,279 You know, you go to a pet store and you 249 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,360 see that long aisle of all these different chew toys 250 00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:23,600 and I just get a kick. I just laugh out 251 00:12:23,639 --> 00:12:27,360 loud when I see these raw hide shoes. Their shaped 252 00:12:27,399 --> 00:12:30,080 like moccasins or whatever they are, and they're raw hide. 253 00:12:30,279 --> 00:12:32,480 But what better way to teach your dog to eat 254 00:12:32,519 --> 00:12:35,000 your shoes than to give them a chew toy. That's 255 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,639 a shoe. So guy, get a little smart out there. Really, 256 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,519 come on, I'm sure you have more brains than that. 257 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:43,000 And I think the things that look like that squeaky toy, 258 00:12:43,039 --> 00:12:45,600 it looks like a hamburger double cheeseburger. You know, you 259 00:12:45,639 --> 00:12:47,320 want to teach your dog that's up on the counter 260 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,240 and grab things right, then give them a chew toy, 261 00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:52,200 give a toy that looks just like a hot dog 262 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:56,360 or hamburger. So anyway, that's our stupidity, not theirs. So anyway, 263 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,440 jab thanks for following up. Love to hear back to 264 00:12:58,519 --> 00:12:59,519 me in a couple of weeks and kind of let 265 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:00,159 us now it's. 266 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 3: Going okay, all right for your advice, Thanks you, thank you. 267 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 2: All right, take it easy. So anyway, it's time for 268 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,759 a break. We're gonna take that quick break here at 269 00:13:06,759 --> 00:13:09,759 pet Life Radio and we'll be back in a few minutes. 270 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,039 Don't go away, We're gonna hopefully if you want to 271 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,080 give us a call. Eight seven seven three eight five 272 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,159 eight eight eight two. Once again, eight seven seven three 273 00:13:17,279 --> 00:13:20,120 eight five eight eight eight two. That's coming from somebody 274 00:13:20,159 --> 00:13:21,960 who talks so fast, So I don't hear from you. 275 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,759 We're going to talk a little bit about respiratory problems. 276 00:13:23,759 --> 00:13:24,759 Don't go away, but right back. 277 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,879 Speaker 1: We'll be right back right after these messages. Stay tuned. 278 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,799 Speaker 2: This is my tired of itching face. 279 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 5: Does your dog suffer from persistent itching and scratching? Allergies 280 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,679 and skin irritation is caused by environment, including pollens, insects, 281 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:47,799 especially fleas, food and common household allergens are common problems 282 00:13:47,799 --> 00:13:50,519 and dogs. 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Sign me on pet Life 322 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,679 Rail Video and remember with Feerce Fashion Calls, Bark and. 323 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:11,919 Speaker 9: Sweater every week on demand only on Petlife Radio dot Com. 324 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:13,759 Speaker 2: Let's talk past. 325 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,639 Speaker 7: Let's done, Petal Radio, Headline. 326 00:16:16,279 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 9: Radio, pet Live Radio dot. 327 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: Com and welcome back and you're joining me here Doctor 328 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,399 Jeff Warbury on pet Life Radios Asta Bets with Doctor 329 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,240 Jeff uh just had a nice conversation with jb about 330 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:47,279 a pet problem. You say, how easy that was, free 331 00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:50,440 advice and it works. So give us a call please 332 00:16:50,759 --> 00:16:53,080 eight seven seven three eight five eight eight eight two, 333 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,039 or just kind of send a little note, join in 334 00:16:55,039 --> 00:16:57,559 the conversation. I'm looking at the box right now. It's 335 00:16:57,679 --> 00:16:59,720 empty and I want it full. I want to see 336 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,559 some people type and away. Anyway, we started talking about 337 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,079 some respiratory diseases, you know, some of the more common things. 338 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:06,720 Of course, we're going to see in puppies and kittens. 339 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:10,480 Respiratory infections very common in cats. The chlamydia is a 340 00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:12,640 more of a bacterial infection, then of course we have 341 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,960 the viruses. We have rhino tracheitis, which is very very 342 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,960 serious in cats, Kalesi virus. So one of the more 343 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,759 common things we see and cats are going to be 344 00:17:20,759 --> 00:17:25,240 the respiratory infections, some treatable, most preventable because we have 345 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,839 vaccines for these diseases. I think one of the best 346 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:33,039 preventions for me is depending where you live, living here 347 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:35,440 in the city or in a city where there are 348 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,559 cars and there are dogs and there's feline leukemia virus 349 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:44,480 and there's feline as virus and coyotes. I prefer cats indoor. 350 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,599 I think it's safer for them either. It was statistic 351 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,559 coming from one of the rescue groups and the Cat 352 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:56,440 Fanciers Association that in large cities the average indoor cat 353 00:17:56,759 --> 00:18:01,319 lives something like thirteen fourteen years and the average outdoor 354 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,400 cat lives three. So something's going to get him now. 355 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,200 Of course people are saying, wait a second, but I 356 00:18:06,279 --> 00:18:08,039 live in the city. My cat goes out and he's 357 00:18:08,079 --> 00:18:11,160 now thirteen, fourteen, seventeen. Yeah, of course it's gonna happen. 358 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,240 And a lot of us that have indoor cats. I 359 00:18:13,279 --> 00:18:15,000 just had to put one of my cats down who 360 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:18,240 was eleven because he had some weird kidney disease kidney problem. 361 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,119 But that's not the norm. The norm is one of 362 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,240 my other cats I just put down just shy of nineteen. 363 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,720 He was eighteen and a half. That's the norm and 364 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,400 the sometimes the best protection for these animals to not 365 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,759 get some of these diseases, especially the communicable diseases, is 366 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:35,599 to keep them well vaccinated. Then try to minimize or 367 00:18:35,599 --> 00:18:39,720 avoid contact with the potential carriers, just a little common sense. 368 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,599 So for dogs we were talking about, you know, one 369 00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:45,839 of the more common conditions I see respiratory wise in 370 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,799 dogs and puppies, especially since I do so much rescue work. 371 00:18:49,839 --> 00:18:52,480 That means these animals are being pulled from shelters. Is 372 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:55,920 you guessed it cannel cough. Now, the one issue I 373 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,880 have with kennic coff. First of all, we do see 374 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,000 some pretty refractory cases and some medications that typically would 375 00:19:02,039 --> 00:19:05,480 work for your routine, common standard kennel cough may not 376 00:19:05,599 --> 00:19:08,880 work alone with some of these tougher diseases. Suffer these 377 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,839 tougher organisms like michael plasma. We're seeing. It's not just 378 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,440 a border telebronchosceptica. It's not just the parent fluenza virus. 379 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:18,640 But there's some more things involved. And the issue that 380 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:21,279 concerns me is that so many people would come to 381 00:19:21,319 --> 00:19:23,000 me and they say, well, gee, Doc, you know, my 382 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:25,960 dog doesn't board, so I don't need the kennel cough vaccine. 383 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:29,720 Oh contraire. As a matter of fact, people that frequent 384 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:34,720 dog parks, frequent grooming facilities, doggy daycare facilities. It's not 385 00:19:35,319 --> 00:19:39,119 just the boarding. I don't like the term kennel cough 386 00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:42,720 because it gives people that false concept that the dogs 387 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,279 have to be kenneled in order to get kennel cough. 388 00:19:45,599 --> 00:19:48,400 Here in Los Angeles, I call it live in La cough. 389 00:19:48,759 --> 00:19:51,200 Go to the dog park cough, Go to the beach cough. 390 00:19:51,519 --> 00:19:53,160 You know, go to the vet cough, go to the 391 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,559 groomer cough. It's everywhere. It's endemic to Los Angeles, it's 392 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,400 endemic to any big city, especially that there is an 393 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,200 outdoor lifestyle, even in the Northeast, even in the Midwest 394 00:20:05,279 --> 00:20:07,640 during the spring and summer, where it's gorgeous out and 395 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,680 it's warm, people start taking their dogs out. This is 396 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,119 how it is transmitted. And as a matter of fact, 397 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:19,359 many of these facilities actually require the vaccine. Be current 398 00:20:19,559 --> 00:20:22,839 every six months, not once a year. And the truth is, 399 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,640 I don't disagree. I think whereas I am not I'm 400 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:31,240 not anti vaccine at all, but I am anti unnecessary vaccine. 401 00:20:31,279 --> 00:20:34,000 But when it comes to this border telebronchosceptica par and 402 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,200 fluenza vaccine, it should be given if dogs frequent these 403 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,599 areas every six months. Otherwise once a year is just fine. 404 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:44,200 But don't think for a second that dogs have to 405 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,480 be kenneled. And also another problem with this is why 406 00:20:46,519 --> 00:20:50,400 we want to be very careful, is that early distemper virus, 407 00:20:50,759 --> 00:20:54,440 especially if it's starting at the respiratory phase, can mimic 408 00:20:54,599 --> 00:20:57,400 a kennel cough. The early signs are just a dry 409 00:20:57,599 --> 00:21:00,519 hackey cough, sometimes a soft moist cough. So again, if 410 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:03,000 we kind of let our guard down and we say 411 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:05,279 not just look kenntle cough, no big deal, and it isn't. 412 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,599 It isn't. Many dogs are get well from kennel cough 413 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,720 on their own. They don't even need our help. But 414 00:21:10,039 --> 00:21:13,480 it's like us with the cold. If we need to treat, 415 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,000 it's worth treating if you have a good immune system, 416 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,000 if everything else is perfect, they're doing fine and you 417 00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:21,000 just want to treat symptomatically with it just a cough syrup, 418 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,559 then that's fine too. However, you want to be careful 419 00:21:23,759 --> 00:21:26,839 with over the counter cough syrups. There is the syrups 420 00:21:26,839 --> 00:21:30,000 out there that have the expectrant guy Finessen. If you 421 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,240 have a moist cough, are great. If you have a 422 00:21:34,319 --> 00:21:36,640 dry cough and you want to suppress the cough, there 423 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,599 is a synthetic narcotic cough suppressort. It's non narcotic called 424 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,119 dextromethor fan. That's great too, But be very very careful 425 00:21:45,519 --> 00:21:49,519 with the products that are also treating colds and have 426 00:21:50,039 --> 00:21:54,799 the decongestin pseudofhedrin phenylephyrine in them as well, because those 427 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,759 can be toxic to pets. So pure guy Finessen, guy 428 00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:03,880 Finessen with dexterromethor yes, okay usable, check with your veterinarian. 429 00:22:04,319 --> 00:22:09,279 Things with phenol ephrine, pseudophedrin, these things are potentially toxic. 430 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,480 You don't want to take any chances. They're very dose dependent. 431 00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:13,799 Also depends on the dog, so I would try to 432 00:22:13,839 --> 00:22:17,160 avoid these at all costs. So again, before using anything 433 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,720 over the counter, you want to check with your veterinarian. 434 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:23,839 As far as antibotics, portotele broncho septica is a bacterium 435 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,039 does respond to antibiotics. We like to use doxycycline. We 436 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,920 like to use clavimox, which is a maxas still in 437 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,880 the clabulatinic acid compound. But there are many good antibiotics 438 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,079 out there, some that are very good. You have to 439 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,359 use caution with young, very young, growing puppies, so again, 440 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,319 check with your veterinarian. The good news is you're not 441 00:22:40,319 --> 00:22:43,160 gonna be able to get antibotics without seeing your vet. However, 442 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,319 I know many of you have antibotics sitting around, antibotics 443 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,000 that you didn't finish the course on another pet. So 444 00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:52,480 don't just reach for the medicine cabinet and grab something. 445 00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:54,799 At least call your veterinarian and check and say, hey, 446 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,759 I have so and so sitting around here. It's this 447 00:22:56,839 --> 00:22:59,440 many milligrams. I got it. It's less than a year old, 448 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,599 is it okay? So you know, again you want to 449 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,359 exercise some common sense, some smarts, some caution when pulling 450 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,440 anything off of a shelf to work with your pets. 451 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,119 If it turns out to be distemper obviously, that is 452 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,559 a really difficult condition disease to deal with. We can 453 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:19,440 be successful in pulling dogs through distemper virus infection. It's 454 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,480 a multi faceted disease. One of the earliest signs we're 455 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:29,119 gonna see are related to respiratory problems, crusty nose, runny eyes, coughing, 456 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,240 even distempered ammonia, which is much worse than just coughing. 457 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:35,640 But it's a disease that also can affect the gastrointestinal tract. 458 00:23:35,759 --> 00:23:38,279 It can also affect the skin. Remember we talked about 459 00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:41,960 the hard pad disease. It can also affect the neurologic system. 460 00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:44,160 And we could see these dogs that are starting to 461 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,319 disease and go through these chomping fits. So when we 462 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,079 have distemper, that's certainly nothing you're gonna be able to 463 00:23:50,079 --> 00:23:54,319 treat at home. Must must, must see your veterinarian. And 464 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,240 even even in a regular respiratory case, especially respiratory, if 465 00:23:58,279 --> 00:24:00,640 you try to wait it out because the dog is 466 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,119 still happy and dog is still playing, install is still eating, 467 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,480 and it's you know, it was a dry cough and 468 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,160 you gave a little cough medicine. You know that's fine. 469 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,680 If you have a condition where it's a moist cough. 470 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,519 And you've learned about coupage, where you take your dog 471 00:24:14,599 --> 00:24:17,640 into a bathroom, turn on the shower or the tub 472 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,319 hot hot water, close the windows, let the mirrors steam up. 473 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,839 The whole bathroom is steamy. You take your dog in there, 474 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,519 you let them breathe that wet moist air for oh, 475 00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:28,720 I don't know, ten minutes, and then you kind of 476 00:24:28,759 --> 00:24:31,359 do what's called coupase where you cut your hand and 477 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,599 you tap on the side, right side, left side, right side, 478 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,119 left side for you know, maybe twenty times on each 479 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,880 side to induce coffee, to get rid of out of 480 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,359 that phlegm, to get rid of that mucus so they 481 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,880 can breath a little more easier. Coupled with the expectorate 482 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,799 the guy fanessen, that's okay too. But if you are 483 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,519 doing these things and three four days going out and 484 00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:53,480 nothing's changing or it's getting worse, don't play doctor at home. 485 00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:57,240 Get this pet to your veterinarian asap to make sure 486 00:24:57,319 --> 00:24:59,920 that the mirror kennel cough didn't turn into a pneumonia, 487 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,240 which is going to need a lot more aggressive therapy 488 00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:05,759 to make sure it's not early distemper. So there are 489 00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:08,119 things that you know, I'm all for a little smart, 490 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,720 common sense home care. That's great, but you got to 491 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,839 be very very careful if you are dealing with something 492 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,440 that's not getting better or getting worse. So that's all 493 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,519 we have time for. Today. We talked about distemper versus 494 00:25:20,599 --> 00:25:22,599 kennel cough live in La Cough as I like to 495 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,759 call it. Next we're going to talk about some more 496 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,279 severe conditions, some some congenital conditions that we have to 497 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:33,799 deal with, and some things that sound way worse than 498 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,480 they are, and we'll talk about that next time as well. 499 00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:38,559 So thanks for joining me here at Pet Life Radio. 500 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,440 I want to thank you once again JB for calling 501 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,839 in any of you. That's how easy it is. Have 502 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,160 a great week next. 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