WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.720 And definitely not the show that we set out to do. 2 00:00:03.839 --> 00:00:06.679 At the time, I hit send on all the prep 3 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:12.359 that I sent ross yesterday only only to uh, you know, 4 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:16.120 flip on just a little little something to just kind 5 00:00:16.120 --> 00:00:19.679 of wind down the mind and nerd out with some 6 00:00:19.800 --> 00:00:22.920 documentaries and flipping around, and then all of a sudden, 7 00:00:23.839 --> 00:00:27.960 here we go, the phone starts banging away. I really 8 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:30.519 do make an effort to disconnect once I'm out of it, 9 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:34.200 but with the with the events that transpired up at 10 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:39.600 d c A Reagan Reagan Airport yesterday, obviously. 11 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:40.359 That was impossible. 12 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:44.200 And if I sound a little rough, it's it's not 13 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:45.640 fully from a lack of sleep. 14 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:46.159 Uh. 15 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:49.079 Ross had a cold, then Trevor had a cold, and 16 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:52.799 now I have a cold. But it didn't feel like 17 00:00:52.840 --> 00:00:54.600 it's a yeah, bad things. You'll just have to bear 18 00:00:54.640 --> 00:01:00.759 with me today. Uh So yesterday evening here is here 19 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:03.799 is I guess the reader's digest version of what we know, 20 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:08.159 and then we'll start getting into more details, or at 21 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:17.040 least the details we have. This is tough, and for 22 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:24.719 any of you who are regular fly regularly, especially with 23 00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:29.640 American Airlines, I have long American Airlines is the airline 24 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:32.439 that I hold the most status on They just have 25 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:38.120 the most convenient routes. Obviously Charlotte is a hub for them. 26 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:42.400 The then the Miami to Raleigh. I'm on that, and 27 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:44.760 I go to d C pretty I don't know. I 28 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:48.840 don't say regularly, but I'm there at least once a year, 29 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:52.480 and very very often. 30 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:54.000 I'm thinking about all the routes. 31 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:57.799 The Miami to Raleigh route, there's two in the afternoon, 32 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:03.799 and one of is on this particular size aircraft. It's 33 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:09.960 the later one, and this particular aircraft I have flown 34 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:17.199 almost every time I have flown from Raleigh to DC 35 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:19.560 because I fly into Reagan. I had to fly into 36 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:23.479 Dulls this year, but every other time I avoid Dulles 37 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:27.599 and I fly and so you get these small commuter jets. Now, 38 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:33.960 while this flight was apparently from Wichita, Kansas to DCA, 39 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:36.919 we're just gonna call it Reagan for the purpose of 40 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:39.280 the discussion on the show, just to keep things smooth. 41 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:40.319 I think most. 42 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:43.719 People understand it is that, okay, rather than the airport code. 43 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:50.319 I I wonder, I don't do we know where the 44 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:53.840 flight crew is from, because a lot of the crews 45 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:57.520 are North Carolina based it's a lot of Charlotte based 46 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:03.599 flight crews on this particular size aircraft. Now, this is 47 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:06.680 one of the subsidiaries you know, when you book and 48 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:10.919 it'll say American Airlines VIA and then another slightly different, 49 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:13.960 like American Eagle is one of their big other ones. 50 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:16.560 So look, I don't know, and I don't want to 51 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:19.080 talk out of turn, but one of the first things 52 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:22.439 is like there's a couple, especially on that Miami route 53 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:26.560 and sometimes they fly to DC as well, because you know, 54 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:29.199 you can see where your plane's coming in from. There's 55 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:33.879 a few crew members with American Airlines on this size 56 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:36.840 aircraft that I I don't know, Like I don't know 57 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:40.439 their kids' names, but like we nod if we see 58 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:43.039 each other, which is cool because how many people they 59 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:45.360 see on the regular. 60 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:52.280 And so like there's that added element like what happened. 61 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:54.840 And then if you fly, if you fly in and 62 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:57.520 out of that airport or if you fly that particular 63 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:03.039 size aircraft, it has another emotional connect to you, you know, 64 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:07.800 because like that's the These are the tiniest of tiny, right, 65 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:10.199 These are the two by two, the one by two, 66 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:12.360 and the two by twos. So if you're up in 67 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:14.439 business they have that one seat, which by the way, 68 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:16.680 is not the same size as the two other business 69 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:19.600 class seats. And then you know, you have your standard 70 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:22.560 two by two through there holds but sixty ish people, 71 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:30.959 and you have an incredibly interesting, different and busy air space. 72 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:34.160 We talk about obviously New York, the you know, the 73 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:40.079 intersection of LaGuardia, JFK, Newark, and you know a few 74 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:42.920 others just due to all other proximity and how busy 75 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:47.600 and insane that airspace is. ThEC is pretty busy because 76 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:52.800 you're dealing with three big airports. I don't know if Reagan, 77 00:04:52.839 --> 00:04:55.199 don't know if Reagan Counts is big, but a substantial 78 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:57.279 airport that sits right in kind of in the middle. 79 00:04:57.279 --> 00:04:59.839 Of course, you got Dallas off to the west, and 80 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:03.040 and you have what is for all practical purposes a 81 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:08.240 third Washington, DC airport straight north with BWI Baltimore's airport. 82 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:12.199 And I have for one of those radio rows flown 83 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:16.279 into Baltimore and we're with a group of others that 84 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:18.040 were going to it. And then you know, you take 85 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:21.839 a van down there. It's about an hour, but sometimes 86 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:25.040 for scheduling or pricing, that's the decision that you make 87 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:30.040 and the approaches on Reagan are like nothing in the world. 88 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:31.600 They're their own thing. 89 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:35.399 In fact, one of the folks who listens to the 90 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:39.120 show he's called in before, is a retired airline pilot. 91 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:41.839 His name is Joe, and he was kind enough this 92 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:46.160 morning to send me a rather lengthy email. And I 93 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:48.360 spoke to this man over the years. I don't doubt 94 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:50.839 any of his credentials, and what he's telling me in 95 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:55.920 here makes perfect sense. And I also know and have 96 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:59.160 been texting this morning with a friend of mine who, 97 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:01.800 for his mility, Terry Servis, was a crew chief for 98 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:10.839 black Hawk helicopter. And he's been educating me because here 99 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:14.879 is what the scenario looks like. Okay, it looks like 100 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:16.839 and you can you can go. And I've listened to 101 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:20.680 the air traffic. It's it's pretty choppy. I'm not gonna 102 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:23.839 I'm not gonna play it, but I'll tell you what 103 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:29.079 it says. Basically, everything is just normal. You have this 104 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:33.360 American Airlines flight, it has already it has already set 105 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:39.920 up for a unique approach. Hold on, let's see a 106 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:42.120 visual circle to land maneuver. 107 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:42.920 Let me read this. 108 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:48.000 I've operated, this is this is the retired commercial pilot Joe. 109 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:52.800 I've operated into and out of DCA hundreds of times. 110 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:57.279 The CRJ seven hundred was doing a visual circle to 111 00:06:57.360 --> 00:07:01.519 land maneuver, which is not a maneuver anywhere but at 112 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:05.560 DCA basically, and for those of you who have flown 113 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:08.680 this this will sound familiar. It's truly one of the 114 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:11.439 most fun approaches were allowed to do. The maneuver helps 115 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:14.079 increase traffic flow into d C. So if you've flown 116 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:19.079 into d C, especially from Raleigh, there's a couple different 117 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:22.600 ways they'll stack you in there. The coolest one is 118 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:25.000 what Joe is talking about because it allows you a 119 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:27.959 visual of a lot of the stuff there in d C. 120 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:30.120 You can see the Jefferson Memorial when you make that 121 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:34.360 final turn. You can see Rock Creek Park where Hillary 122 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:40.480 Clinton's associates go to end themselves, and you have you 123 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:44.079 have the Washington Monument off your off your left side, 124 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:46.759 and there's another approach where you kind of go out 125 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:49.519 over the swamps or I had like a damn duck 126 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:50.879 go by my window, which. 127 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:51.399 Was pretty crazy. 128 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:54.439 And but you know, you're you're there in d C. 129 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:57.000 You're looking at the skyline, you're looking at the monuments 130 00:07:57.319 --> 00:08:00.639 and then boom, you're You're there, You're in, You're into 131 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:03.879 Reagan Man and and I think it's one of the 132 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:07.600 funnest airports just do to it's proximity to everything. And 133 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:13.079 so in this case, the approach is you you would fly, 134 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:16.639 you would you'd go towards landing like you're gonna land 135 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:20.319 on one, and you would fly off that final at 136 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:23.959 the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, right, so you know what I'm 137 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:26.120 talking about where they have those on the right side, 138 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:28.680 they have those shops and condos and stuff down there. 139 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:30.480 Just visualize it in your mind. 140 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:35.320 Fly along I two ninety five, turn over the Bowling 141 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:38.279 Air Force Base, and then you're on final for runway 142 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:41.679 thirty three. And if you listen to the ATC, this 143 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:46.279 plane had completed all of those and was literally on final. 144 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:50.879 And then you hear and it's it's kind of hard 145 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:55.399 to hear. You hear the ATC interact with the Blackhawk 146 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:59.960 and they do something that is pretty which is really common. 147 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:04.320 They ask a pilot if they have a visual on 148 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:09.519 another aircraft. Now I flip over to my conversation with 149 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:13.799 my black Hawk crew chief Buddy or retired. He's been 150 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:19.480 retired for a while, but he talks about how those 151 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:22.320 visuals are required. If you've ever sat in the cockpit 152 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:26.840 of an airplane, depending on the equipment you're in, there's 153 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:30.799 only a certain periphery of view, and spotting another aircraft 154 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:33.840 is I've had the opportunity because I have friends that 155 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:38.000 have small planes to you know, sit there in the 156 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:43.200 up in the cockpit obviously with them, and it's interesting 157 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:46.000 as somebody who's not a pilot trying to pick these 158 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:48.480 things out, and like the pilots are good at it. 159 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:51.720 My buddy Tim is who I spent the most time with. 160 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:55.600 He has a SR twenty, which is a serious if 161 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:58.440 there's any pilots listening, wondering, and that has a pretty 162 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:00.679 good field of view. I I don't know what the 163 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:05.360 Blackhawks is. However, what my friend was telling me is 164 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:09.960 it's not just the pilots, the crew chief is also 165 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:15.120 or perhaps primarily Again, I'm just having a quick conversation 166 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:20.519 this morning, trying to educate myself they have a responsibility 167 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:25.720 for doing this spotting and not just spotting aircraft because 168 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:28.320 ATC at A, you know, in this case in d 169 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.840 C said hey do you see the do you see 170 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:36.279 the seven hundred and they have a unique system too. 171 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:37.960 They got to language all their own. I didn't know 172 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:40.840 what discs were. So this is a measurement device the 173 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:44.600 black Hawk crew would use to tell a pilot. So 174 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:47.559 when you see, like if you see a helicopters flying information, 175 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:54.360 part of his job is to you know, call out 176 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:56.919 distances for the pilots. So if you've got a formation 177 00:10:57.000 --> 00:11:00.320 of black Hawks and you want to tell somebody, then 178 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:03.919 another Blackhawk in the formation is five discs. What that 179 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:08.960 means is the diameter of the rotor, which I don't 180 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:11.799 know what that number is, but they do. So there's 181 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:14.559 a lot there's a lot of moving pieces here and 182 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:19.039 where this can go sideways, and both Joe suggests it 183 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:24.679 in his email and my Blackhawk buddy suggested in his email. 184 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:30.639 Their suspicion seems to be that a member of the 185 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:36.320 Blackhawk team misidentified in aircraft and it could be busy 186 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:41.200 airspace obviously with those three plus you've got you have 187 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:48.879 some regional airports there, and we're human and if you misidentify, obviously, 188 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.759 and the call is so close to the impact that 189 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:58.840 again people are running around with conspiracy theories and all 190 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:01.519 the rest people are trying to make political hay. 191 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:02.080 Out of this. 192 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:05.039 See, it is these situations when the best people and 193 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:08.720 the worst people all have to emerge. Right the best 194 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:11.679 people are digging around in the Potomac River right now, 195 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:16.840 in incredibly cold water, and immediately we're on it trying 196 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:20.320 to figure out who can we rescue anybody? And they're 197 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:23.120 going to work and they're talking over the radio and 198 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:26.080 they're saying thing they were finding people literally still seat 199 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:28.919 builded in upside down in the fuselage and seven feet 200 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:31.639 of water. And then the you know, the media is 201 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:35.480 out running with it and deciding, all right, well, how 202 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:38.879 can we go ahead and blame the incoming administration. So 203 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:41.799 the best of people who would snap into action and 204 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:46.200 attempt to conduct these rescues on a moment's notice in 205 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:50.879 a really horrific situation, in a very dangerous situation. I mean, 206 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:53.360 they had boats rush into this thing when rotors were 207 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:57.720 still turning. Probably you don't know what's going to happen. 208 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:00.399 Plus you're dealing with the fact that it's not just 209 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:06.240 a plane, it's a helicopter. It appears by some some 210 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:09.080 of the witness statements that there was a there was 211 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:13.279 an attempted bank so you know, I'm sure an alarm 212 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:13.919 is screaming. 213 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:17.039 Proximity alarm is screaming. There in the seven. 214 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:21.159 Hundred and off of that final the plane does a 215 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:25.759 really hard bank and then witnesses described sparks going across 216 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:28.720 the bottom of the plane, which is likely the rotors 217 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:32.039 from the Blackhawk, which is going to cut it in 218 00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:38.399 half or is going to slice it up substantially. So 219 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:44.960 at this point, based on again my own imperfect knowledge 220 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:51.960 and communicating though, you know, real quickly with the military side, 221 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:55.840 and I rather detailed email the thankfully one of our 222 00:13:55.879 --> 00:14:01.159 listeners sent that sounds like the most common or that 223 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:05.399 that sounds like the most probable unfortunate human air There 224 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:08.159 will be questions why are we flying blackhawks? But let 225 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:11.879 me tell you what I've seen Blackhawks in the air. 226 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:19.759 I've seen in the air Blackhawks and Ausprey's literally flying 227 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:21.519 in and out of Reagan Man. And then of course 228 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:23.120 when you're on the ground, you know you may see 229 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:25.519 the if you've been in DC a few times, you 230 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:29.519 might even have seen the president flying with his his 231 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:37.279 marines there. So let's not go crazy. Let's figure out 232 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:41.159 what happened and if something has changed, fine, and let 233 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:43.919 me tell you what. And and there is a political 234 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:48.480 angle here, and that is you have a you have 235 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:54.960 an aviation accident that involves both commercial standard, civilian and military. 236 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:58.559 Sean Duffy, who I have met once when he was 237 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:02.559 would he very what? He was very first elected as 238 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:05.879 a congressman from Wisconsin, he happened to serve western Wisconsin. 239 00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:08.799 I was at an event it was on it was 240 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:11.360 literally right on the river, so he had congress people 241 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:16.639 from Minnesota and Wisconsin and I met he was super young, dude, 242 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:20.039 very uh, I don't know, very nice. Came across as 243 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:24.320 very nice. Other than that, I don't know anything about him. 244 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:28.000 He's been in change, he's he's he literally is in 245 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:34.360 this job hours. He's been in the job hours hours 246 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:40.679 and Pete Hegseth days. And if there is any time 247 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:46.679 to put aside the garbage and to have you know, 248 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:50.320 I I don't even know who was the FAA director 249 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:53.799 at the time during our last commercial aircraft crash here 250 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:54.440 in the US. 251 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:55.440 It's been so long. 252 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:04.840 But whether it's Seany as Secretary of Transportation or the 253 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:08.399 Pete Hegseth over at Department of Defense, can we just 254 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:10.960 cool it for a few minutes? And it's okay to 255 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:14.519 ask for help. We're gonna dive deeper into this. We're 256 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:16.440 trying to round up some guests. We'll get to it 257 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:19.080 all coming up case O Day Radio program. 258 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:22.039 I was just saying it to be a jerk, and 259 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:22.360 I'm not. 260 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:26.080 I'm really not, and I'm not saying it to be 261 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:29.639 some arrogant person who's been in media for a long time. 262 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:34.200 I know that Elon said you're the media now. We're 263 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:35.080 the media now. 264 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:38.840 Meaning people on social media, and. 265 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:43.159 That is true. But not everybody needs to be the 266 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:45.960 media on everything, do you know what I'm saying. So 267 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:52.559 if most of your posts are crap posts, or you're 268 00:16:52.600 --> 00:17:00.799 a yoga account or muckbang that weirdness or an only's cruel, 269 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:06.319 you don't all need to post it because you're not 270 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:10.880 providing new information. I balance it because I balance with this. 271 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:15.119 If you're a big account that every single thing on 272 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:19.319 my timeline last night is something about what was going 273 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:23.000 on with this this crash, and that's fine. But the 274 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:27.039 problem is I'm fishing through trying to find information that 275 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:32.240 others don't and I'm just getting incredibly frustrated because a 276 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:35.480 lot of it is unattributed reposting, like people are cutting 277 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:37.240 and pasting, and then I'll read it. I'm like, oh, 278 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:39.279 this person just cut the other thing. And then you 279 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:42.400 look at their account and they got like, you know, 280 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:45.160 eleven hundred followers, which is fine, I'm not making fun 281 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:46.079 of follower numbers. 282 00:17:46.119 --> 00:17:51.799 But everything they post is about yu gi. Oh, so 283 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:54.720 it was. It made it really difficult. 284 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:57.559 I've told you, I love x Twitter, whatever you want 285 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:02.880 to call it. For breaking news, it's fantastic. It's fantastic. 286 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:06.839 And the evolution of it to be more non breaking 287 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:11.680 but investigatory is fantastic. All this is great. But I 288 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:14.319 finally just kind of gave up and then I'm what 289 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:18.319 am I doing? I'm back on NBC, CBS, ABC, Fight. 290 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:23.519 I mean the normals right there, because I need concise information, 291 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:30.240 and when people who don't do breaking news are are 292 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.599 doing it, there is there is a possibility that they're incorrect. 293 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:37.000 I saw people reporting that the Blackhawk was in some 294 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:40.480 sort of blackout mode and so, and it simply wasn't. 295 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:45.640 It's it's it's literally doing Oh and its transponder wasn't on. 296 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:50.839 Obviously it was atc is talking to the plane. They're 297 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:56.000 talking to the helicopter. This the everything here sounds like 298 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:05.480 somebody gave a false visual acknowledgment. Not intentionally, they messed up. 299 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:12.680 They messed up here. By the way, here is that 300 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:15.960 ex shape again. It's hard to hear, but but listening. 301 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:20.279 Change the Sturt roadway three three from way three three 302 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:20.880 clear flant? 303 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:23.519 All right. So I when I mentioned earlier what this 304 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:26.680 approach looks like. The Woodrow Wilson Bridge is where they're turning. 305 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:31.240 You hear the pilot acknowledge that he's making the turn there, okay, 306 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:34.880 And once he makes that turn and then pops right 307 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:38.039 along there, you know this is this is when the 308 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:42.640 good visuals are this portion of that particular landing. And 309 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:46.279 this thing's almost in. People are already holding their cell 310 00:19:46.279 --> 00:19:49.200 phones getting ready to turn off airplane mode. You know. 311 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:49.680 The drill. 312 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:54.200 Change the Sturt roadway through three from way three three 313 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:54.759 clear flant. 314 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:55.880 Okay. 315 00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:56.799 That's the a T air. 316 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:59.960 That's the ATC telling him coming from there that you're 317 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:01.160 you're clear, you're good to go. 318 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:04.759 That memorial that's. 319 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:08.799 Pod serge in flight. 320 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:17.000 A aircraft all right. 321 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:20.200 So there you hear the aircraft inside and it's. 322 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:25.440 Fortunately American left and two positive clment on. 323 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:28.759 TC notices something's wrong obviously that they're they're on a 324 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:33.359 collision course. Again, I'm not a pilot. I don't know. 325 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:37.160 I don't know if ATC should have noticed it earlier. 326 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:39.200 And I'm not trying to sit here and lay blame 327 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:41.559 one way or the other. I'm just trying because look 328 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:47.279 the possibilities when you have UH aircraft colliding over our 329 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:53.599 nation's capital run the gamut. Admittedly so, admittedly so, everything 330 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:57.279 from terrorism to a disgrunt told military member or a 331 00:20:57.319 --> 00:21:01.640 disgrunt told American Airlines member, like, all of. 332 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:04.160 That's out there. And I'm not saying that that we may. 333 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:09.640 Not find out something else, but you gotta you got 334 00:21:09.640 --> 00:21:11.279 to try to get a handle on this with what 335 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:14.000 you can see, and what you can see sure sounds 336 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:19.440 a lot like the pilot or the crew I should 337 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:23.400 say of this Blackhawk misidentified the aircraft because if they 338 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:26.880 had a visual which is pretty wild, and I'll be 339 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:29.720 curious to see what the altitude differential was on them 340 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:32.119 at the time of the impact of obviously wasn't that 341 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:35.519 high off the ground. You've probably seen the video of 342 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:38.559 the explosion from the I think the Kennedy Center had 343 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:43.920 a camera pointed over there. So that's where we are. 344 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:51.559 We have reached out to Senator Bud this morning. We're 345 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:56.200 reaching out to Brad not David Rouser. I think we 346 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:59.480 have a third transportation community. I think it's Addison McDowell, 347 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:05.039 the new guy, and hopefully we can chat with one 348 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:10.039 or more of them. But unfortunately we find ourselves sitting 349 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:13.279 here in the first in a presidential transition. So there 350 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:16.039 will be people trying to make hay off of this, 351 00:22:16.119 --> 00:22:19.160 and of course CNN was one of the first Mary, I. 352 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:22.480 Have one more question for you. Look, it's January twenty ninth. 353 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:26.400 We are just nine days out from a presidential transition 354 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:32.359 and administrative transition. The FAA administrator resigned at the end 355 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:36.519 of the Biden administration, so there is no permanent, confirmed 356 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:38.359 FAA administrator. 357 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:41.039 Right, Okay, well there isn't acting and the FAA administrator. 358 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:43.920 And this is where it gets a little insulting here. 359 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:49.200 The guys in the the guys do an ATC just 360 00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:52.759 because their bosses in there didn't forget to be how 361 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:56.640 they did it a week ago. Okay, they didn't forget 362 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:00.279 what they were doing. The folks that handle air traic 363 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:05.480 control in in a particular geographic area like this are 364 00:23:05.559 --> 00:23:09.240 among the best of the best because it's such a 365 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:14.240 crazy airspace with its everything and things that are so unique. 366 00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:20.839 The idea that you're landing commercial airliners in that proximity 367 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:27.960 to all of the nation's power is pretty incredible. And 368 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:32.519 you know, just having you know, big airports flanking you 369 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:36.240 creates these unique situations. These are not rookies. And let 370 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:38.440 me go to the other side, because I see people 371 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:42.160 that are going, you know where they they say that 372 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:47.640 this was a training thing for the black Hawk guys. Yeah, 373 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:52.440 maybe you know why, because whether it's their first day 374 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:56.960 on that black Hawk crew or they are among the 375 00:23:57.039 --> 00:24:01.519 most elite and longest serving in that capacity, they do training. 376 00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:04.440 That's what. What do you think the military does all day? 377 00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:07.079 What do you think? What do you think they're banging 378 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:09.079 around La June where you see them running around in 379 00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:10.960 the trucks out to all those different woods. What do 380 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:14.720 you think having a picnic? They're training? Everybody's training. Why 381 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:16.519 do you see the ospreys if you go hang out 382 00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:19.759 at North TOPSI over why when I was I saw 383 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:23.160 a formation when I was down driving through Havelock past 384 00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:25.359 Cherry Point to go to that event. Down in Beaufort 385 00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:29.680 over the weekend. It's never not cool. Guys are training, 386 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:32.920 that's what that's what they do. So so don't attempt 387 00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:36.559 to gauge if they've described it as a training fight flight, 388 00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:39.960 U don't don't attempt to gauge that that means it's 389 00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:44.279 a bunch of inexperienced people. Some of some airline crashes 390 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:51.000 have involved very experienced pilots. It's a it's an inherently 391 00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:55.000 dangerous thing you're doing. It's magic for I mean, for 392 00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:59.000 all practical purposes. The idea that you can take something 393 00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:02.319 that ways I think the I remember seeing what the 394 00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:04.359 gross tonnage is supposed to be on the new air 395 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:08.279 Force one, and it's like it's almost a million gross 396 00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:10.759 tons and you're gonna put that in the air. 397 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:15.440 Hold on I's probably check what that is. 398 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:19.880 But but but uh, air Force one weight and because 399 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:23.400 the new one is quite a bit bigger, and you're 400 00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:26.960 and you're making that fly around in the air, and 401 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:36.759