WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.199 --> 00:00:15.599 You're listening to Jay's Analysis. This is the introduction to 2 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:19.480 the Jays Analysis podcast. The only authoritative source for Jay's 3 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:25.879 Analysis is Jay's Analysis, Film philosophy, geopolitics, the Esoteric, and 4 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:30.519 much much more satire and comedy too. Now added bonus 5 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:46.479 for free Jade, I are from Jays Analysis. The next 6 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:49.439 thing that we're going to do, as I promised, is 7 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:53.439 Dave McGowan's Program to Kill, an excellent book. I actually 8 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:56.039 did read it, see my notes as proof. So we're 9 00:00:56.039 --> 00:01:00.399 going to talk about the alternate theories that are possible 10 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:02.960 when it comes to so called serial killers. And this 11 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:06.159 is what Dave McAllan presents in the book is a 12 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:08.840 different thesis as to how it is and why it is. 13 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:13.120 There was this explosion, you know, post Manson into the 14 00:01:13.159 --> 00:01:16.319 seventies and eighties of the serial killer phenomenon, which then 15 00:01:16.359 --> 00:01:21.239 seemed to transition in the nineties into movies at Hollywood, 16 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:24.280 and it became a Hollywood thing, and you had all 17 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:33.079 these serial killer obsessed film theories and plots. You had 18 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:36.439 all of these serial killer plots, But where were all 19 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:40.959 the actual serial killers right from the nineties on into today. 20 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:43.480 Not that many that we hear about at least in 21 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:45.959 the news, right, So where did all the serial killers go? Well, 22 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:49.519 Dave's going to give his analysis of several of the 23 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:52.560 important serial killers from the last several years and what 24 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:56.200 was probably going on with these guys. What Dave's going 25 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:59.519 to do is offer a lot of alternative evidence that 26 00:01:59.719 --> 00:02:03.640 is a ignored by mainstream media is and maybe the 27 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:07.439 standard stories that you hear about these serial killers. And 28 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:10.240 we're also going to get into the MK Ultra project 29 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:14.840 and its potential connection to the Phoenix program, which is 30 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:17.960 also a book by Doug Valentine that we will probably 31 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:22.120 discuss in the near future as well. But for Dave's thesis, 32 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:24.080 what he's going to propose is that when you look 33 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:28.879 at the military connections of the MK Ulture program, and 34 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:31.960 this was, of course the programs throughout the forties and 35 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:37.319 fifties and sixties that were known for experimentation into hypnosis, 36 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:42.039 experimentation into truth serums, the stuff that you've probably seen 37 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:46.840 in movies and films. But the real research, of course 38 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:50.599 has been dubbed into pretty in depth by other writers 39 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:52.599 like John Marx and his book The Search for the 40 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:55.400 Mentoring Canada, and we've covered that book at Jays Analysis 41 00:02:56.400 --> 00:03:00.719 Dave's book Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon, the Laurel Can Scene, 42 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:02.800 we've covered that as well, and that deals with the 43 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:06.360 MK Ultra and of course this book is going to 44 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:07.879 deal with it. And what he's going to propose is 45 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:10.800 that because of these many military connections, and in fact 46 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:14.520 that many of the top serial killers had these military 47 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:23.599 intelligence and CIA type connections contract killer connections, that there's 48 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:27.120 a good possibility that we can look back to something 49 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:29.400 like the Phoenix program and see that that was probably 50 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:33.240 connected to the MK Ulture program, and then by extension, 51 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:37.520 that the serial killer phenomenon might have actually been a 52 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:42.319 US domestic manifestation of perhaps these guys coming back from 53 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:49.199 their overseas service or being programmed at various clinics through 54 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:51.120 what we see with doctor Ewan Cameron and the MK 55 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:55.120 Ultra programs, Jose Delgado, Jolly and West. All these figures 56 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:59.080 that we've seen so long in so called conspiracy circles 57 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:03.879 be mentioned, but are actually really and truthfully doctor's psychiatrists 58 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:07.560 right who were running the real in culture programs. So 59 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:12.919 that's the beginning setting for what Dave's writing about. And 60 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:14.800 this is two thousand and four, so this is prior 61 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:18.120 to things like the BTK killer. So that's another guy, 62 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:20.000 by the way, who is not in Dave's book, but 63 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:27.560 had this pedigree of military and killer type, you know background, 64 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:31.240 And that's really I think it makes a lot more 65 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:34.639 sense than the home grown killer, which is what we're 66 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:38.079 taught is really going on with people like Manson or 67 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:42.279 these kind of characters that they're there these just random 68 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:46.759 products of a bat upbringing or abuse or something like this. 69 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:51.120 And another aspect to this that the mainstream media rarely touches, 70 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:53.199 except maybe in the Manson case I'll kind of talk 71 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:56.199 a little bit about cults, is that Dave's going to 72 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:59.879 die pretty deep into research done by other characters like 73 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:03.560 Maury Terry in The Ultimate Evil, that maybe there were 74 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:08.560 actually more powerful networks and cults in the background behind 75 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:13.720 people like Berkowitz, people like Henry Lee Lucas, people like 76 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:18.279 Richard Ramirez, the Knights Talker, and Manson, right, something beyond 77 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:20.920 the processed church. Even I'm not just talking about a cult. 78 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:23.439 I'm talking about, you know, people with kind of these 79 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:29.199 deep state, dark black side of the black ops world, right, 80 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:33.800 who have a vested interest in maybe using someone like 81 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:38.600 a psychopathic killer in the case where you might need 82 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:43.720 to have a professional contract killer can have somebody oft 83 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:45.839 And Dave's thesis is going to be, of course, in 84 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:49.720 part that maybe what happens in some of these cases, 85 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:51.319 and he's going to give us some evidence. It's not 86 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:57.519 just thesis, but if police have, say an unsolved crime 87 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:00.800 in certain districts, right, he's not saying is everywhere in 88 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:03.560 every police district in the US. He's just saying in 89 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:08.160 certain states where you've had the problem of the so 90 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:11.120 called serial killers, which tends to be for whatever reason, 91 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:16.680 probably connected to Mexico and drugs and whatnot. Florida, Texas 92 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:21.920 and California are the main regions where these serial killers 93 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:24.399 just pop up. And you know, obviously California is like 94 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:25.879 a big one, right You have a whole bunch of 95 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:31.560 serial killers that have had their reign of terror all 96 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:35.959 right out in California. So the first thing though that 97 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:37.680 he sets it up is the whole idea of the 98 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:41.680 pedophiles and government, which is interesting because Dave is no 99 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:45.360 longer around, unfortunately, but in two thousand and four he 100 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:49.720 was writing about this tendency of these siicos and Satanist 101 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:53.439 and pedophiles who do seem to occupy, you know, the 102 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:57.839 important levers of power in various states and in various 103 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:02.199 corporations and so forth. So that's where he sees that 104 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:05.560 being connected, because it's kind of a he's painting a 105 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:11.839 picture of the cultural decline that's also related to the 106 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:14.879 rise of the serial killers. Right, you have the sixties revolution, which, 107 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:20.120 in weird scenes inside Laurel Kenyon, he argued, was really 108 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:24.680 fostered and aided and abetted by the establishment, Right, Like, 109 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:28.519 these characters were given record deals that were given a 110 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:31.439 lot of promotion, a lot of attention. So that suggests 111 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.519 that there was some degree of coordination that they were 112 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:38.800 propelled to stardom the specific Laurel Kenyon people, like the Doors, 113 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:42.279 Mamas and Papas, etc. For a reason. And so in 114 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:45.040 the same way, he's going to point out the odd 115 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:47.319 connections behind a lot of the serial killers, right in 116 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:50.120 a similar way to how many of the Laurel Kenyon 117 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:53.319 bands and so called artists had all these deep state 118 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:57.639 military family, military intelligence connections. In the same way, Dave's 119 00:07:57.639 --> 00:07:59.079 going to say that a lot of these serial killers 120 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:01.240 seem to have the same pattern, and that fits with 121 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:04.680 the idea, with the notion that they would have been 122 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:08.160 part of, as we said, perhaps the Phoenix program or 123 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:13.000 something akin to it, or something like the Mkulture program. Right, 124 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.480 we think of Ted Kazinski. You know, he had a 125 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:18.959 stint where he volunteered at Harvard to participate in mk 126 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:22.199 ultra experiments. That was actually in his obituary in I 127 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:24.160 believe the LA Times or New York Times. You can 128 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:26.120 go look that up. But yes, he was actually a 129 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:31.560 willing participant in mkulture research. So if you're wondering why 130 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:33.720 you get this sort of crazy guy out in the 131 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:36.559 woods who's warning of the tech takeover, you know, a 132 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.000 long time ago, and we're told that he's the one 133 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:42.559 who's who's bombing the you know, maybe actually I'll do 134 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:51.120 my the Uni Bomber. I was actually thinking about doing 135 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.879 a full unibrow and then I would have called it 136 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:58.000 the unibrow Bomber. I may still do that skit. That 137 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:00.399 sounds like a lot of fun. But remember these pictures 138 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:03.720 that you saw of this guy in the nineties and 139 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:06.679 he would just be like like up on the TV 140 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:10.679 and they're saying, oh, that's the unibomber, and he he 141 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:15.159 we know because he sends in you know, these bombs 142 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:17.799 and he's gonna bomb all these planes. That sounds like 143 00:09:17.799 --> 00:09:20.840 a bunch of bullshit to me, But who knows. Maybe 144 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:23.279 this guy was really really just totally off his rocker, 145 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:25.679 or maybe he was just living off the grid and 146 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:28.840 they chose a patsy. But that's gonna be another theme, right, 147 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:32.960 the unral Unibomber Report. That's gonna be another theme in 148 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:36.960 Dave's book is the idea of when the police departments 149 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:41.399 are needing to clear up some unsolved cases, maybe they 150 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:45.039 stack them onto the so called serial killer or the 151 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:50.639 professional hit killer and then voila. Right, serial killer X 152 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:54.200 y Z with three names. It's always three names. Bobby 153 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:57.320 Lee Long, Right, he's got two hundred kills, which is 154 00:09:57.559 --> 00:10:01.320 hard to believe, But maybe some of those were actually 155 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:05.960 just stacked on unsolved crimes. The other important aspect to 156 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:12.159 what Dave talks about is the notion of the serial 157 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:16.360 killer phenomenon being social engineering, that what it had a 158 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:20.840 tendency to do was make everybody very very afraid of 159 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:24.840 public venues or going out or letting your kids play 160 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:27.720 this kind of stuff, and that it adomized society because 161 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:31.840 everybody got this false impression which wasn't actually true. That 162 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:34.879 there were millions of serial killers out there everywhere, right, 163 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:38.799 millions of unibombers everywhere. Right. It's kind of the same 164 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:41.200 with the war on terror, right, it's domestic version of this, 165 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:47.000 that's there's just these psychos just everywhere. And that's not 166 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:51.600 actually true. Right. There are certain cases where this appears 167 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:55.720 to be the be true, and these people oftentimes have 168 00:10:55.840 --> 00:11:01.120 these very strange connections to you know, hardcore military killer 169 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:04.559 family members, et cetera. Maybe they trained them, or they 170 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:08.399 were involved in some sort of cult activity. So stop 171 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:11.480 being the unibomber there. So maybe you know, in a 172 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:13.720 lot of these cases, we see that the serial killers 173 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:17.279 happened to be multiple personality people. And what's neat is 174 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:22.879 that Dave notes that the chief deniers of multiple personality 175 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:28.000 disassociated identity disorder were actually the CIA people who were 176 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.480 at the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, which is a CIA 177 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:37.960 funded disinformation outlet that was intended to debunk any idea 178 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:42.080 of ritual abuse. And then so the FBI and these 179 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:46.519 different law enforcement entities would go to these experts who 180 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:48.720 would then tell them, ohth there's no such thing as 181 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:51.440 the satanic ritual abuse. That's all made up, right, So 182 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:55.039 that that's just made up right, a's sensationalism and there's 183 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:58.639 no real networks or ritual abuse or something like that. 184 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:01.679 So Dave covers all that which is really interesting. And 185 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:04.000 this is, of course, I think what I may start 186 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:06.759 to hon is, instead of the full hour, you know, 187 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:10.559 do these fifteen minutes summaries, because people are a lot 188 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:13.960 more willing to share fifteen minute things than they are 189 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:18.320 forty five minute, one hour things, which for the listeners 190 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:21.480 you're still going to get. The subscribers, you're still going 191 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:25.200 to get the full experience, where we will talk about 192 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:28.480 the totality of the book in the review and the analysis, 193 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:30.279 and of course I'm always going to recommend that people 194 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:33.840 go by the actual book. My analysis and review is 195 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:36.960 not a substitute. Is just a survey in the same 196 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:39.320 way that we might discuss any work of literature or 197 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:42.679 something like that. So you're going to see that a 198 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:45.279 lot of these serial killers have high level political connections. 199 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:49.039 Why would that be? Why would Rosalind Carter write the 200 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:52.360 first Lady be meeting with John Wayne Gacy? Right? And 201 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:55.039 this is like photos of this This is a famous 202 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:58.159 picture which I didn't know about until I heard Dave 203 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:00.720 get some interviews and talk about book. And then when 204 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.120 I read the book, I was just like, you can 205 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:06.960 find this online. Why would Ted Bundy be, you know, 206 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:12.279 working adamantly for the Nelson Rockefeller campaign. Right, he's very interested. 207 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:14.159 I'm not saying that he was new him per se. 208 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:16.679 I don't know about that, but you know, why is 209 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:21.559 he kind of this rising the GOP guy? Right? And 210 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:25.120 Dave's talked about that a lot in interviews. So we're 211 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:26.960 going to see a lot of cults are going to 212 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:29.679 tie into mobs and this is something I've talked about 213 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:31.240 a lot of jays analysis. And they're going to tie 214 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:35.240 into intelligence agencies. And then so we're starting to see 215 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:39.000 the architecture of the criminal networks and how they work 216 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:40.960 and the power structure, how it works and so forth. 217 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:44.519 Now they use these people and what they do is 218 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:49.279 they will profile for the psychos and then a psycho 219 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:53.440 is useful? Right? What can we do with this psycho guy? Right? 220 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:56.759 How what use would Manson perhaps be, what use would 221 00:13:56.759 --> 00:14:00.720 Berkowitz perhaps be? So the psychos are put to the 222 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:04.000 system's use, right, And that's not to say that that 223 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:05.960 there aren't psychos. They are. You see, these are the 224 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:09.120 people who actually were abused. A lot of them were 225 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:13.519 child prostitutes. They were prostituted out, they were molested. A 226 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:17.600 lot of them their parents their mom was a prostitute, 227 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:20.600 and who would like make them watch in the case 228 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:24.720 of Henry Lee Lucas, and so obviously this guy's damaged, right, 229 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:27.159 So that's what's happened to a lot of these guys. 230 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:31.320 And then they become dissociated, right, they have these alternate states, 231 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:34.799 and even Dave is it willing to kind of give 232 00:14:34.840 --> 00:14:37.919 the possibility or or halfway admit in some some sections 233 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:41.120 of the book, maybe these they're also kind of possessed, right, 234 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:44.679 So they're not just splits alternate identities. They might also 235 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:47.960 have spiritual problems in possession. And I think that's the 236 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:52.200 most logical analysis too. So you've been listening to Jay's analysis, 237 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:55.000 and next, if you want to see the full analysis 238 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:57.720 of Dave's book when we look at a lot of 239 00:14:57.720 --> 00:15:00.840 these cases of the serial killers and they're al personalities 240 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:03.799 and Dave's totality argument and thesis, you need to subscribe 241 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:05.799 to Jays Analysis for ninety five a month or for 242 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:07.679 sixty dollars a year. You can also get in my 243 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:12.039 book esotery, Hollywood sex, cults and symbols and film signed 244 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:17.279 at my website and thank you for watching, and get 245 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:20.840 ready to get into some pretty dark, nasty stuff. But 246 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:24.919 it's illustrative, it's interesting, and it reminds me again of 247 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:28.000 the Shamalan movie Split, right. I mean, I know that's Hollywood, 248 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:35.039 but if you watched Split, it's very reminiscent of what 249 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:41.559 we read in Programmed to Kill. Now we moved to 250 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:45.879 the actual text and what Dave argues in the book, 251 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:51.919 and he mentions the importance of mind control. And this 252 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:54.039 is something that we've talked about many times. We've done 253 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:56.480 a lot of interviews, a lot of talks, a lot 254 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:59.000 of discussions in the reality of mind control and how 255 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:04.000 it would be use full in many different fields. Marketing 256 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:10.480 would be interested in this, Psychology would be interested in this, intelligence, agencies, military, 257 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:14.360 you name it. All would be interested. Cults, right, So, 258 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:20.759 all these various aspects of our crazy world could have 259 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:23.440 some potential use for mind control. And so you can 260 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:27.360 see why with the development of all the scientific techniques 261 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:30.600 since the scientific revolution, as to why this would be 262 00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:36.240 such an important focus of study and the government, especially 263 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:40.480 our government, especially in the last fifty sixty seventy years 264 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:44.639 has poured tremendous money into this. And as we said, 265 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:48.000 that was documented in John Marx's book The Search for 266 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:51.559 the mansorin Candidate, which you can get that book as well. 267 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:54.240 It will be in the recommended reading page as I 268 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:58.679 update that in the next couple days at Jay's analysis, 269 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:03.039 and I also have my review and analysis of that book. Now, 270 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:07.759 some of these books that he's mentioned were probably familiar with. 271 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:15.240 He mentions Acid Dreams, he mentions Journey into Madness, Delgado's 272 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:17.279 book Physical Control of the Mind, one of the MK 273 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:20.839 ultra doctors who actually wrote a book on physical control 274 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:23.400 of the mind, Donald Bain's book Control of Kenny Jones 275 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:29.759 and her usage by the military. And we have Walter 276 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:33.839 Bowert's pretty well known book Operation Mind Control, Peter Watson 277 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:38.559 War on the Mind, Peter Shrag Mind Control. So all 278 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:42.039 these books are pretty good. I've read several of these, 279 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:45.039 but they're pretty not all of them, but pretty good 280 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:49.359 introductions to the notion of mind control. And when it 281 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:52.680 comes to the issue of MPD and d ID multiple 282 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:58.640 personality or disassociative identity disorder, this is supposed to be debated, 283 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:07.319 but the consensus of a lot of the supposed academic 284 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:14.559 literature is that it's not faked. Doctor Deirdre Barrett, writing 285 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:18.920 in two thousand and one for Psychology Today, noted that 286 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:27.720 they are not faking it. There are other references the 287 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:31.519 DSMV still, I've cited this in articles as well. Not 288 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:33.759 that this proves anything per se, but it's interesting that 289 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:37.880 you have these these establishment papers that still cite it 290 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:45.839 as legitimate as a real thing. The DSMV citing Esterbrooks's 291 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:50.920 famous hypnosis article, and it's still in the footnotes last 292 00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:54.240 time I checked a year or two ago, so still referenced. 293 00:18:54.400 --> 00:19:00.000 And doctor Colin Ross. You've probably heard him in various 294 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:03.920 on various podcast talks interviews. I've heard him on several 295 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:09.599 different psychiatry and psychology podcasts, which I listened to quite 296 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:12.319 a few of those here and there in my spare time. 297 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:15.880 So this is not a subject that is completely new 298 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:19.799 to me. I've also read other books just strictly from 299 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:25.319 the psychiatry psychological standpoint, Switching Time by Bayer. We mentioned 300 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:29.920 that in the interview that I did with Greg Crawlwood 301 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:34.720 at Hier said chats. So there's a lot of literature 302 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:37.000 out there that you can find that that tends to 303 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:41.519 back this up. And so that's part of the thesis 304 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:43.200 that Dave's going to work for him, and I would agree. 305 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:49.480 I think that there's I think it's real, and there's 306 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:55.000 other books too that will deal with it, maybe from 307 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:58.599 a more conspiratorial perspective. I've got some more poppy books 308 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:01.759 in my library touch on mind control in NIM culture, 309 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:07.519 but they're really kind of referencing the founding texts that 310 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:10.960 we've already mentioned. So, you know, as we noted from 311 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:13.680 John Marx's book, there's not really we don't know everything 312 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:19.319 about what happened in mkulture and supposedly Helms or one 313 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:22.839 of the you know, CIA guys destroyed seven boxes and 314 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:25.759 somebody only got a hold of seven boxes that weren't 315 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:30.000 destroyed and all this kind of stuff. Who knows what's 316 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.920 true in regard to that, But I think we can 317 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:38.480 kind of trace out general ideas, and you know, some 318 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:41.799 of the documents are online. I've looked through some of those. Again, 319 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:44.240 it's hard to tell, you know what you're looking at. 320 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:51.119 But Freud apparently I was aware of this idea of 321 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:55.279 a ritual abuse and sexual ritual abuse. You may have 322 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:58.079 been involved in it. I don't know, but it's at 323 00:20:58.200 --> 00:21:02.680 least mentioned in Freud's work, and so again you've got 324 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:05.160 these mad scientists. Basically, it's what I argued in the 325 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:09.039 John Mark's talk, who knows what you know? They're going 326 00:21:09.079 --> 00:21:11.240 to be doing anything and everything just because they are 327 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:22.079 wicked dudes. There's a quote from Probe magazine which I've 328 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:25.160 never heard of, but Dave cites this as a woman, 329 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:29.799 Arlene Tyler, and she's writing about MK Ultra and she 330 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:32.720 says in the fifties, the CIA was also looking for 331 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:38.160 specially gifted subjects to study their dissociative states. So I'm 332 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:42.319 guessing this means gifted children, although not sure this could 333 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:46.359 be induced and controlled through hypnosis and drugs. It reminds 334 00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:50.640 me of that Netflix series THEA, Remember that the OA. 335 00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:55.599 If you saw that, which was really good until that's 336 00:21:55.720 --> 00:22:00.240 stupid ending. I was really hooked on that show. Man. 337 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:03.799 This is I've never seen anything like this, and then 338 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:08.279 it just turned into Glee or something. It's like Glee 339 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:10.640 meets Sandy Hook at the end. If you saw that, 340 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:14.839 If you didn't see it, I can't say that I 341 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:17.720 recommend it, just because it was such a stupid ending. 342 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:25.319 But if you if you are into endings, then you'll enjoy. 343 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:28.079 If you're really into the first three fourths of shows, 344 00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:36.519 you'll like that show. Now, Blackmail, Orgy's Eyes, Wide Shot, stuff, 345 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:39.079 Mart du Trouve affair, that all comes up. We've talked 346 00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:40.880 about that many times. That's why I did you know 347 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:43.960 my analysis of eywatch Shot, which is in my book, 348 00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:48.720 the first chapter actually, and it's interesting that Dave mentions 349 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:55.640 the many times and many instances, many cases where you 350 00:22:55.759 --> 00:23:01.319 have a connection between the timing of events and various 351 00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:05.079 occult calendars. So Dave notes that I think there's something 352 00:23:05.119 --> 00:23:09.200 to that, and he mentioned some cults here at the beginning, 353 00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:19.640 where the Belgian elite and elite Roman Catholics in Belgium. Belgium. Yeah, 354 00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:22.039 we know that. We talked about that many times as well, 355 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:27.160 in relation again to the Dutreux affair and the character 356 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:30.680 of Michael Nahoul, who was one of these guys who 357 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:37.680 would I guess grab girls and supplied these girls for 358 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:41.559 the elite, and there was like this pedo cult. And 359 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:47.160 the guy who takes the fall is Dutreux, if I recall, right, 360 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:51.319 he's the guy who's supposed to be in charge of 361 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:55.079 all this. But then you know, like the whole city 362 00:23:55.119 --> 00:24:00.920 of Belgium that were there's like a huge march at 363 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:04.960 the capitol because it's people are so outraged over this 364 00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:08.039 and it was so widespread and so some of like 365 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:11.759 a million people marched because this was all covered up. 366 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:19.839 And then he talks about pedophile cults in Scotland. In Portugal, 367 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:24.160 there was a big TV guy called mister TV I 368 00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:27.160 guess in Portugal and he was involved in this giant 369 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:36.720 pedophile cult and there was this snuff films. Interestingly, we've 370 00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:40.920 mentioned that in some cases being covered. Now Snopes tells 371 00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:44.319 you that there's no such thing. So that's supposed to 372 00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:47.400 be I guess, the definitive word on whether or not 373 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:55.880 snuff films exist. But yeah, I mean, come on, the 374 00:24:56.200 --> 00:25:00.680 people have cameras and there are evil people. Why wouldn't 375 00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:03.319 they exist? Right? And what is this that we hear 376 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:06.000 about on the internet at rule thirty four that if 377 00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:08.000 you can think of it, there's some kind of weird 378 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:11.720 porn version, right, whatever you can think of there's there's 379 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:16.200 some weirdo that's into the porn version of that. Anyway, 380 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:21.119 Dave mentions Lewis Carroll. We've talked about Lewis Carroll as 381 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:25.400 well in his pedophilia, and it's how it kind of 382 00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:31.519 seems to be affiliated with Alice in Wonderland in some way, 383 00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:36.079 although I guess it's not onres certain, but you can 384 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:41.720 argue maybe that you know, Alice tumbling down the rabbit 385 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.880 hole and all of her experience his her trippy experiences. 386 00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:49.640 I mean, maybe Lewis Carroll was like drugging girls or something, 387 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:51.319 and you know, this is how he got the idea 388 00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:55.720 for this, right, So the disis dissociative states and young 389 00:25:55.839 --> 00:26:01.119 girls being traumatized, and maybe this is part of the 390 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:06.079 meaning of Wonderland, right, uh, and and the weird connections 391 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:09.079 with Disney. This becomes sort of the motif of Disney, right. 392 00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:17.759 You know, it's hard to demonstrate. I only found one 393 00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:23.279 instance where the in in John Marx's book, there was 394 00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:26.200 a direct connection between Alice in Wonderland and MK Ultra 395 00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:29.200 and it was you and Cameron had been doing experiments 396 00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:32.039 on a certain woman. I don't remember her name, but 397 00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:36.359 she was in one of the psychiatric hospitals, and you know, 398 00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:40.599 he was like playing all these weird things and uh, 399 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:45.000 psychic driving and torturing and electro shock and playing these 400 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:47.519 tapes and I guess movies. We don't really know, but 401 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:50.039