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So 12 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,719 I really appreciate all of the support everyone's giving me, 13 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,519 and I hope to expand the show even more than 14 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:24,319 it already has. Thank you so much. I want to 15 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,680 welcome everyone back to the Pecanana Show. Took a little 16 00:01:28,719 --> 00:01:31,959 break on this one, Paul, but yeah, we're gonna do it. 17 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,719 Paul fahrenheits back, Hey don't Paul. 18 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,359 Speaker 2: Very well, mister Pete, thank you again for having me 19 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:40,480 back on to discuss one of my favorite topics, Spain, 20 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:47,040 Golden era Spain. And this is episode three of the 21 00:01:47,079 --> 00:01:50,319 series itself. Episode four if you include the Disputation of 22 00:01:50,359 --> 00:01:55,599 Tortosa episode that we did, and what I have planned 23 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,480 for this evening. I know it's not evening if you're 24 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,159 listening to on any other time, but what I have 25 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,280 planned for right now is we're kind of so since 26 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:11,199 the last two episodes, we've basically been sprinting through, you know, 27 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:15,639 fifteen hundred years of history plus like like we've been 28 00:02:15,759 --> 00:02:19,159 We've we've been going through. We've been doing a massive 29 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,800 survey of some of the broad strokes of what happened 30 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,879 on the Iberian Peninsula and then throughout the rest of 31 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,280 Europe that brought us up to this point where we 32 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,639 are in the about the fifteen hundreds, right, We talked 33 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,000 a little bit about the Conquistadores and the foundation of 34 00:02:36,039 --> 00:02:40,080 the Spanish Empire. We will talk about that a little 35 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,560 bit more in depth later on, but I want to 36 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,280 remind the listeners that this series had a sort of 37 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:52,080 thesis statement and a primary example of analysis, which is 38 00:02:52,159 --> 00:02:55,879 a world systems theory, particularly through what we've called what 39 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:01,080 we're calling the Christendom world system. And and we are 40 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,000 going to be analyzing that world system, of which Spain 41 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,199 and the Holy Roman Empire are kind of the center 42 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:11,439 point at this era, and we are going to be 43 00:03:11,479 --> 00:03:14,639 analyzing this era in Spain and the Holy Roman Empire 44 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:20,039 and its various opponents through this world system's lens at 45 00:03:20,039 --> 00:03:24,000 about this time, because this was the final crisis of legitimacy. Now, 46 00:03:24,039 --> 00:03:29,800 there were various crises of legitimacy before it. This is 47 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,280 the final crisis of legitimacy that finally brought it down. 48 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,240 So what this episode is going to be is kind 49 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,719 of a little bit of a table of contents as 50 00:03:37,759 --> 00:03:41,360 to what the remaining episodes of the series are going 51 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,599 to be. I'm going to go into each episode that 52 00:03:43,639 --> 00:03:47,000 we're going to cover a little bit, all right. Now, 53 00:03:47,039 --> 00:03:49,560 We're going to go into much much more detail as 54 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,599 we get to these individual episodes. But if I'm counting correctly, 55 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:59,960 we have not counting this one, one, two, three, four, 56 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,360 or five, six, seven, eight, nine episodes after this one, 57 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:06,479 all right, So we have nine that I have planned 58 00:04:06,479 --> 00:04:10,240 at least. All right, Maybe we have a bonus episode 59 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,120 thrown in, maybe we'll compress it if the schedule demands it, 60 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:16,920 but as of right now, we have nine episodes planned 61 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,040 after this one. So I told you we are going 62 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:23,120 to be analyzing this system through a variety of angles, 63 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,399 and we will be getting into we will be getting 64 00:04:26,439 --> 00:04:29,720 into each angle. So what I'm going to do first 65 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,680 and foremost, so that the listener isn't sitting with baited 66 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,480 breath the whole time, I'm going to read out at 67 00:04:35,519 --> 00:04:38,519 least the title of each episode we're going to do. 68 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:40,360 And then once I read out all of them, all 69 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,879 nine titles, We're going to come back and I'm going 70 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,000 to kind of start talking a little bit about what 71 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,560 we're going to be touching on with each individual episode 72 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,439 in the series. Does that sound good to you, mister Pete? 73 00:04:52,639 --> 00:04:54,519 Speaker 1: Sounds great? Please proceed, all right. 74 00:04:55,079 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: So, the first episode after this one will be called 75 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,360 the Declining Christendom World System. The episode after that will 76 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,439 be called the Italian Wars. The episode after that is 77 00:05:04,759 --> 00:05:08,399 the Protestant Reformation. The episode after that will be the 78 00:05:08,399 --> 00:05:11,800 Spanish World Economy. The episode after that will be the 79 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:16,720 First Modern State. The episode after that will be Contemporary Dissidents. 80 00:05:17,399 --> 00:05:20,639 The episode after that will be Christendom's Crisis of Legitimacy. 81 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,560 The episode after that will be the Thirty Years War 82 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,639 and the End of the System. And the final episode 83 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,279 will be the Aftermath and Twilight of Spain. All right, 84 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,319 So those are the nine I believe that's nine episodes. 85 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,920 If I'm if some listener was counting like those not nine, 86 00:05:36,959 --> 00:05:40,680 maybe maybe I'm just maybe I'm just stupid, But those 87 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,319 are going to be the next nine episodes, all right. 88 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,839 So now that I've kind of read all of those out, 89 00:05:47,879 --> 00:05:49,600 so the viewer has an idea as to where we're 90 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,160 going to be going with this. It's a little bit 91 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,079 of chronology chronic because whenever you're doing history, you can't 92 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,720 avoid the chronological analysis, even if you're trying to like 93 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,120 dig deep. All right, But the whole point of this 94 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:05,000 multifaceted approach that we're going to be taking from a 95 00:06:05,079 --> 00:06:09,000 variety of different angles and slightly different time periods, is 96 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,600 we're trying to understand the whole picture, what all of 97 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:16,120 the moving components of the system were that brought it 98 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,720 to this point. As you heard, we're going to be 99 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,439 one episode. We're going to be diving very heavily in 100 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:29,000 on economics, right, particularly the economic consequences of Spain's colonies 101 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:32,279 and what drove Spain to look for colonies in the 102 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,120 first place. We're also going to be looking at the 103 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,839 Spanish governance and institutions, as well as the governance and 104 00:06:37,879 --> 00:06:42,399 institutions of opposing regimes. But one of note that I 105 00:06:42,439 --> 00:06:45,000 think is particularly interesting is we're going to be looking 106 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:51,959 at the behavior of dissonance of varying stripes in this era, right, 107 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,279 because there were all kinds of dissidance in this era, 108 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,839 just like there were in our era. And they had 109 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,439 a brand new form of media to use to communicate 110 00:06:59,439 --> 00:07:02,079 with each other and with the general public, which was 111 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,920 the Gutenberg Printing Press. Right, The Gutenberg Printing Press operated 112 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:09,560 in much the exact same way. Or it's it's analogous 113 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,680 to Twitter today, or I suppose these YouTube streams today 114 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,000 or sub stack articles today, all right, and it is 115 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,879 vital you cannot understand this era without understanding the impacts 116 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:26,639 of the Gutenberg Printing Press. So there will be some 117 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,839 books we will be reading. There will be some points 118 00:07:30,879 --> 00:07:33,800 of of of some famous books that will go into 119 00:07:33,839 --> 00:07:36,120 some that maybe you haven't heard of, some angles that 120 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,639 maybe were maybe you aren't familiar with. But overall, that's 121 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,519 kind of the various angles we're going to be take taking. 122 00:07:44,399 --> 00:07:46,120 So I'm gonna go back and kind of go through 123 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,279 each episode that we're going to be doing in a 124 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:51,800 little in a sort of how should I say, in 125 00:07:51,879 --> 00:07:55,920 a sort of brief kind of overview. I'm not going 126 00:07:55,959 --> 00:07:59,040 to talk about it for for nothing. But by the way, 127 00:07:59,079 --> 00:08:01,319 mister p if you have, if you have anything to 128 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,480 add or any interruptions that you'd like to make at 129 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,279 any point on this little survey of what we're going 130 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,439 to be doing, just let me know and feel free 131 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:10,160 to add anything. 132 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:12,639 Speaker 1: Yes, sir, you know I will. 133 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the first one, so the declining world, the 134 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,199 declining Christendom world system. That's going to be the episode 135 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:23,680 immediately after this one, all right, So in this episode, 136 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,399 what we're going to do is we're going to hyper 137 00:08:25,439 --> 00:08:29,399 focus on what the Christendom world system was, and we 138 00:08:29,439 --> 00:08:32,759 are going to actually go back into some earlier medieval 139 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:38,519 history in order to get a particularly with the church, 140 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,399 all right, particularly with the Church. And this relates because 141 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,840 the picture of the whole church needs to be understood, 142 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,159 right and the kind of why it got to this 143 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:54,759 point because the Empire almost everyone kind of understands what 144 00:08:54,799 --> 00:08:57,840 it is. It's like, you know, competing dynasties and things like, 145 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,559 and the empire is sort of in separate from the 146 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,519 papacy and from the from the Catholic Church. Just as 147 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:08,559 theology is inseparable from politics political everyone has a political theology. 148 00:09:08,759 --> 00:09:12,679 The spiritual world and the political world are inseparable because 149 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,960 the political world follows from the spiritual world. Whatever your 150 00:09:17,039 --> 00:09:20,159 contentions are as to what the spiritual world looks like 151 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:25,279 and how the political world, the material world should emulate it, right, 152 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:30,519 that shapes your politics, all right, And it absolutely did 153 00:09:30,519 --> 00:09:33,440 shape the politics in the High and late Medieval, late 154 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,000 late Middle Middle Ages. So what we're going to be 155 00:09:38,039 --> 00:09:40,960 talking about here is now obviously we're not going to 156 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,080 be taking a whole walk through space and time, but 157 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:47,519 it's important to understand specifically the issues that were arising 158 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,840 within the Catholic Church that sort of sowed the seeds 159 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:55,240 of these crises of authority that occurred within the that 160 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,600 kind of culminated finally culminated in the in the sixteenth 161 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,159 century and and later. But the sixteenth century was by 162 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:09,519 no means the Protestant Reformation did not come out of nowhere, 163 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:12,960 all right. The Protestant Reformation was the culmination of many, 164 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:18,399 many hundreds of years of you know, of of decay 165 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,759 within the Catholic Church. Critique with with from certain parts 166 00:10:22,799 --> 00:10:25,279 of the Catholic Church to other parts of the Catholic Church. 167 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:30,159 The foundation of There were various reformations prior to the 168 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:35,600 Protestant Reformation. What comes to mind is the Franciscan Reformation, 169 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:40,559 the Benedictine Reformation, which created these monastic orders that everyone 170 00:10:40,919 --> 00:10:44,399 knows about. These came from critiques within the Catholic Church 171 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,399 from certain parties which led to the establishment of these 172 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,480 monastic orders. I think the Dominicans also came as a 173 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:57,679 result of this. But also, all right, you have the 174 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,360 the investiture controversy. All right, so what was the invested 175 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:02,559 your controversy? We're going to be looking at that. The 176 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,159 investiture controversy is basically a dispute as to who has 177 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,360 the authority to appoint bishops, Who has the authority to 178 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:12,320 appoint bishops, right, whether it lies with the emperor or 179 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,000 whether it lies with the pope, and this you know, 180 00:11:16,039 --> 00:11:18,679 you'd think you'd think it's a lot simpler of a 181 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:24,120 question that it turned out being. There's also the issue 182 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,080 right of the concept of anti popes, which we're going 183 00:11:27,159 --> 00:11:32,480 to be talking about. Why did antipopes come about? Why 184 00:11:32,519 --> 00:11:34,919 did you know the Holy Roman Empire Why did Frederick 185 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,960 Barbarossa or Frederick the second think that they could just 186 00:11:39,039 --> 00:11:41,759 declare the Pope in Rome illegitimate, set up a pope 187 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,720 in their own realm, and then go down and depose 188 00:11:44,759 --> 00:11:47,919 the sitting pope and replace him, replace him with their popes? 189 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,279 All right, what were the consequences of that? Why did 190 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,200 that come about? Was that scene as illegitimate? It very 191 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:56,840 much was, but you know, sometimes that's just how it goes, 192 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,000 was it? And And on that note, we're also going 193 00:12:02,039 --> 00:12:05,360 to be talking about the Western schism? What was the 194 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,600 Western Schism? Well, it was when at one point two 195 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,000 and then at one point I think like four anti 196 00:12:11,039 --> 00:12:13,960 popes all existed at once. Uh, there was the Pope 197 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,759 in Rome, the popen Avignon, the popeen in like Aragon, 198 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,279 and then the pope and I think I think Savoy 199 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,679 there was a fourth one and so and this and this, this, 200 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,879 this is a very serious thing. We're also going to 201 00:12:27,919 --> 00:12:30,600 talk about the conflict between the Guelphs and the Ghibelins. 202 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:32,360 All right, If you may or may not be familiar, 203 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,120 the Guelfs and the Ghibelins were the competitors of two 204 00:12:36,759 --> 00:12:39,879 really it was, it was two separate dynasties within the 205 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:42,720 Holy Roman Empire. It was most notable in the Italian 206 00:12:42,759 --> 00:12:49,159 city states. We remember it from Dante's life. But the 207 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,759 Guelfs were supporters of the von Velf dynasty and the Ghibelins, 208 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:55,440 where I think the supporters of the the von Hoench Dolphins. 209 00:12:55,879 --> 00:12:59,600 But what they kind of basically shook shook out to 210 00:12:59,639 --> 00:13:03,240 be as the von Velfs built their dynastic authority on 211 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,320 complete submission to the pope and the emperor as like 212 00:13:06,399 --> 00:13:09,720 the servant of the pope, as opposed to the Ghibelings, 213 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:12,440 the howen Chauphins, you know, the emperor as sort of 214 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:18,960 the this what is it? This the secular authority that 215 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,919 that that gains that derives legitimacy from the pope but 216 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,799 doesn't necessarily basically holds the pope as the spiritual leader 217 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,559 who doesn't have who should not, does not and should 218 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,440 not have authority over secular issues, all right, And so 219 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:37,440 that's kind of the earliest that this conflict appears. We're 220 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,440 going to be talking about the Hussite movement obviously, and 221 00:13:40,519 --> 00:13:44,600 some of the earlier pre Protestant heresies. Pre protest We're 222 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:50,279 going to talk about the the Woldenzians, the Lollards, the 223 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:53,639 the Albagensians, the the was it the cathars Is, the 224 00:13:53,639 --> 00:13:58,080 Albergensian Crusades, And we're also going to be talking about 225 00:13:58,159 --> 00:14:02,919 the the shoot who else is there? Am I forgetting one? 226 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,960 But yeah? But but most notably the Hussites. The Hussites 227 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:10,000 were the most successful Reformation before the Reformation. All right, 228 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,720 we're gonna be talking about why what were these issues 229 00:14:13,759 --> 00:14:16,440 based on why why do they happen? Et cetera, et cetera, 230 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,759 and you know, did they come out of this of 231 00:14:18,799 --> 00:14:22,000 these these crises within the church. We're also going to 232 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:25,399 be talking about the conciliar Movement, all right. The Concilier 233 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,919 Movement was basically the reformation within the Church that happened 234 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,799 almost a century prior to the actual Protestant Reformation. This 235 00:14:32,919 --> 00:14:36,200 was a reform proposal within the Catholic Church that made 236 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,399 serious traction and would have fundamentally reshaped how the Catholic 237 00:14:40,519 --> 00:14:45,879 Church would have would have worked would have been if 238 00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:48,159 it had, you know, if it had gotten more successful, 239 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,840 but you know, it was not successful. We're going to 240 00:14:49,879 --> 00:14:53,120 talk about this, and then of course, finally it's going 241 00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:55,600 to culminate with the UH with We're not going to 242 00:14:55,639 --> 00:14:58,159 go so much into the Protestant Reformation itself, because that 243 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,480 will be its own episode, but we're going to explain 244 00:15:00,559 --> 00:15:06,159 how all of these issues of crises within particularly the 245 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:11,799 the the church part of the Christendom world system led 246 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,919 to this crisis of authority within the Christendom world system, 247 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,519 which which created its own the crisis which ended it. 248 00:15:18,879 --> 00:15:22,799 All right, anything on that, mister people before I move on? 249 00:15:24,039 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: Nope, please proceed, all right, So. 250 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,639 Speaker 2: Next episode after that, we're going to be focusing on 251 00:15:28,679 --> 00:15:31,320 the Italian Wars. This is when we're going to return 252 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,279 back to the secular part of the Christendom world system. 253 00:15:34,279 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: All right. 254 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: The Italian Wars are extremely important because the Italian Wars 255 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,720 is basically the beginning of the competition between the two 256 00:15:42,879 --> 00:15:47,000 major secular pillars or I guess three, but the primarily 257 00:15:47,039 --> 00:15:49,759 it shakes out the two the two major secular pillars 258 00:15:49,919 --> 00:15:55,200 of the Christendom world system, which is the Habsburg domain 259 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,360 versus France. All right. The Italian Wars are are the 260 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:04,559 the real the first the first major confrontation between France 261 00:16:04,559 --> 00:16:07,679 and the Habsburgs, all right. And also it's a it's 262 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,639 an interesting way to kind of dive into some of 263 00:16:09,639 --> 00:16:14,000 the military advances that because the Italian Wars were ostensibly 264 00:16:14,039 --> 00:16:16,960 between Spain and France over claims on the Italian peninsula. 265 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:23,360 It's also it's also the end of the of the 266 00:16:23,799 --> 00:16:26,519 what is it of the Italian Renaissance. And it's also 267 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:30,960 an interesting an interesting display of some of the critique 268 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,320 of the of the cracks that had formed between the 269 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:38,200 secular world and the ecclesiastical world. Because in fifteen twenty 270 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,679 seven Rome was sacked by Habsburg armies under Charles the 271 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,480 fifth right, So why does that happen? Why does a 272 00:16:45,519 --> 00:16:49,480 Catholic emperor sack Rome? All right, we're going to get 273 00:16:49,519 --> 00:16:51,399 into that. We're gonna we're going to show you how 274 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,240 this all happened, all right, how this all happened, why 275 00:16:55,279 --> 00:16:56,679 it all led to this. We're going to talk about 276 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,960 a little bit about France's sort of nationalists anti because 277 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,960 there's sort of a Heygelian dialectic going on here with 278 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:09,039 this thesis in the Holy Roman Empire, the the the 279 00:17:09,079 --> 00:17:11,799 Habsburg Empire is kind of the culmination of what Spengler 280 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,200 calls in Prussianism and socialism, the hoen Zoalorn ideal of 281 00:17:16,279 --> 00:17:20,079 the you know, of the universal Catholic state under both 282 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:23,960 with with both emperor, as the Holy Roman Empire is 283 00:17:24,039 --> 00:17:26,920 kind of the jurisdiction that's being expanded, and the Kingdom 284 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,839 of Spain is kind of the wealth and the military 285 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,839 that's expanding it. All right, stop me if this sounds 286 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,640 somewhat familiar, although I'm not saying that, you know, I'm 287 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,400 not I'm not making any moral equivalencies here. But then, 288 00:17:41,599 --> 00:17:44,039 but then, you know, there's a sort of nationalist, kind 289 00:17:44,039 --> 00:17:49,440 of inward looking, provincial, almost reaction antithesis to that in 290 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,559 the Kingdom of France as this, you know, the Catholic 291 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,720 Church of France being sort of the National Church of France, 292 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,839 the National Catholic Church of France, and you know, figures 293 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,200 like although he's not contemporary to this, but figures like 294 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:07,799 Cardinal Darichelu are great examples of this. So yeah, so yeah, 295 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,160 I'm particularly looking forward to that one because the Italian 296 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:18,240 Wars is very much understudied. I'm trying to remember, we're 297 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,759 we're trying to remember if Kaiser Maximilian was involved in 298 00:18:23,759 --> 00:18:28,759 that one in the lands next. Yeah, some historian I am, 299 00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:30,880 I don't know this off the top of my head. Yes, 300 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,759 I'm pretty sure, Yeah, he fought in this one. Yeah. 301 00:18:35,839 --> 00:18:37,759 We're also gonna, you know, kind of talk about how, 302 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,759 you know, the the Burgundian succession has to do with 303 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,119 this and the beginning of the comp the disputes of 304 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,960 authority between France and the holder own empire. But that's 305 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:54,680 a lot that's gonna be a lot simpler of an episode. 306 00:18:55,319 --> 00:19:02,160 Excuse me, So after that, anything on that, mister. 307 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: Pete, No, everything sounds good for sure. 308 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 2: So after that, I'm gonna stop after every episode just 309 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,519 to make sure sure as much as I like talking, 310 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,640 after a while, like I kind of feel kind of 311 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:17,960 get self conscious about it. 312 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: So well, you know, our our friend Thomas comes on, 313 00:19:21,839 --> 00:19:24,599 and you know what happens once, you know, he just 314 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,519 starts going and I let him because yeah, he's he's 315 00:19:28,559 --> 00:19:31,319 the one providing the information just like you are. So yeah, 316 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:32,119 I appreciate that. 317 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but regardless, So the next episode is going 318 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:37,759 to be the uh, you know, I said, we're going 319 00:19:37,839 --> 00:19:40,880 to come back to the Protestant Reformation. 320 00:19:43,319 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: I am. 321 00:19:43,759 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 2: We're going to vary specifically with the Protestant Reformation episode. 322 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:55,519 We're going to dig down into the theological issues that 323 00:19:55,519 --> 00:19:59,680 the that the various reformers, you know, Luther's Vingley, Calvin, 324 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:05,799 John Knox, you know all the other individuals. We're also 325 00:20:05,799 --> 00:20:08,319 I'm also gonna, you know, see if I can, because 326 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,119 I know there were Spanish Protestants. There were not very many, 327 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,319 but there were a few, and there were Italian Protestants, 328 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,240 and there were there were a lot of French Protestants. 329 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:21,920 Calvin was French. But but you know, like we're gonna, 330 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,359 we're gonna basically go I want to kind of demonstrate 331 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:29,759 that Protestantism was not this just this ethnic Nordic movement, 332 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,000 right it it it There were others in other places. 333 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,440 It was much more Now they were stamped out very 334 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,480 quickly because frankly, they just did not have the organization 335 00:20:39,599 --> 00:20:44,039 numbers or political power to resist. But you know, I 336 00:20:44,079 --> 00:20:46,960 want to and and and likewise vice versa. Within the 337 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,440 Nordic countries, there were quite a few people who had 338 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,759 a problem with leaving the Catholic Church, you know, so 339 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,440 brazenly and abruptly. And so we're gonna go into this. 340 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,960 This is not it's it's it's it's the whole point 341 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,160 of this, you know, particular, and this is why I 342 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,440 think I said to you before the stream. I'm gonna 343 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,079 say this again, mister Peter. I think this is why 344 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,000 it's important that we have a Protestant and a Catholic 345 00:21:10,079 --> 00:21:12,640 talking about this, because the whole point of this episode 346 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,599 is going to be to deconstruct the polemic. 347 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:14,799 Speaker 1: Right. 348 00:21:14,839 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 2: I'm not here to play raw raw Protestant or raw 349 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:22,039 raw Catholic, all right. We are here to figure out 350 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:26,000 the facts what went wrong. The whole fact that there 351 00:21:26,079 --> 00:21:30,079 was a Protestant Reformation in the first place means something 352 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,200 was fundamentally wrong that was left to sit and rot 353 00:21:34,599 --> 00:21:38,119 and was not addressed until it was too late. And that, 354 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,400 you know, I'm not saying one side is right or wrong. 355 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,000 It's just breaks like that within any system whatsoever, do 356 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,839 not occur unless there was a massive underlying issue, right, 357 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,559 and it may not even be necessarily with the church 358 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:55,160 structure itself. It may have been other things, all right, 359 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,359 But this is why we need to and this is 360 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,599 what the Protestant Reformation is episode is going to be. 361 00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:04,079 We're going to be focusing on the secular issues, the 362 00:22:04,079 --> 00:22:09,680 ecclesiastical issues, and you know, and and also we're going 363 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,519 to get into a little bit of the of the 364 00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:14,079 Catholic Church's responses. We're going to talk about the Council 365 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,480 of Trent. We're going to talk about the counter Reformation. 366 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:18,440 We're going to talk about the Jesuits a little bit. 367 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:24,319 We're going to talk about the Catholic Church seriously addressing 368 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,240 and fundamentally agree with the the I think the Treaty 369 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,599 of Augsburg. Some other places we're gonna we're going to 370 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,720 show that the you know, we're going to go into 371 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,799 how the Catholic Church did very much, seriously take a 372 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,640 lot of the assertions that the Protestants were making about 373 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,920 the state of the Catholic Church after the break had 374 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,799 already done, and that's what they went into the Council 375 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,680 of Trent looking to do. All right, Now, there are 376 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,720 other councils we're going to talk about too, but obviously 377 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:56,200 those are the main big points. If you are, if 378 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,720 you are listening to this series attempting to get ammunition 379 00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:06,279 for whatever particular ideology ideological goal that you want to pursue, 380 00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:08,880 this is not the place for you. We are here 381 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,400 to understand what happened better, not worse. And I don't 382 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,279 mean to constantly emphasize this, but I know that people 383 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,319 will go in the comments or go on the timeline whatever, 384 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:24,880 and they will start, you know, causing problems over this. Right, 385 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,519 So that's I just wanted to re emphasize that. Right, 386 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,240 we are here as historians to attempt to get a 387 00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:34,400 better understanding of what happened historically so that we can 388 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,799 avoid the same mistakes in the present. All right, I'm gonna. 389 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:44,039 Speaker 1: Leave it on that. Yeah, No, that's uh, that's important. 390 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,279 I mean, it's just too emotional of a of a subject. 391 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:51,680 The best to best to just approach it clinically and 392 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:53,160 just talk about what happened. 393 00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:57,559 Speaker 2: Well, And I mean, and emotion isn't necessarily wrong because 394 00:23:57,599 --> 00:24:00,640 how did how did something like this happen? I've yes, 395 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,680 this was there was clear negligence and it very likely 396 00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:07,480 did it does exist on both sides, you know. 397 00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:09,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it happened, but it happened for more than 398 00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:12,799 one reason too. So that's that's what's most you know, 399 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,200 that's important. 400 00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:16,319 Speaker 2: Too, Yeah, absolutely, And the key thing is to take 401 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,240 both sides seriously. It's like, you know, like if someone 402 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:26,319 just schism is never the first choice in anything. And 403 00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:29,400 and frankly, if the goal as and I I don't 404 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,680 want to say the quiet part out loud, but if 405 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,759 the goal is to eventually, you know, you move past that. 406 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,720 If the goal, if that's the goal, you you know, 407 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,119 everyone needs to understand what caused the problem in the 408 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,799 first place, all right, But yes, mister Pete, that's kind 409 00:24:46,839 --> 00:24:49,200 of that's what we're going to be talking about in 410 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,480 this very specific Protestant reference. We're going to talk about 411 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,799 the diet of Verms and and uh, Charles the fifth 412 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,440 and and Luther and other things like that and all 413 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,759 in everything we're gonna and particularly where the break in 414 00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:06,960 the world system occurred. But that's that's what we're going 415 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:15,559 to be addressing in that episode. Sounds good moving on here, Uh, 416 00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:17,640 the so the next episode after that, we're going to 417 00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:21,119 take a step back from serious emotionally driven topics and 418 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,480 talk about something I you know, you could almost jokingly 419 00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:28,359 say more important, but uh, that'll also probably put a 420 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,400 good chunk of the audience to sleep, because what we're 421 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,160 going to be talking about in the episode after that, 422 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:36,920 mister Pete, is particular the Spanish world economy and the 423 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,440 world economy generally in and around this time period, and 424 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:46,440 specifically the massive shocks that came with the you know, 425 00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:52,680 with with the Spanish colonies particularly with Spain trying for 426 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,119 the first time in history to have a completely commodities 427 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,960 based currency is actually the first time anyone to try 428 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,279 that at the at the extent, at the extent's main 429 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:09,880 did because you know, when you when you find when 430 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,279 you go into this foreign land and you find a 431 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,000 literal mountain of silver, like a mountain with so much 432 00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:21,920 silver in it that the sunlight glints off of it 433 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,519 because of how much silver is is poking out of 434 00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:30,720 this mountain, all right, you know, it's it's like it's 435 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:33,200 like recently, a lot of guys have been, you know, 436 00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:35,480 showing sympathy for the boomers, and I think it's the 437 00:26:35,519 --> 00:26:38,200 exact same way, right, Like, if you're a country that 438 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,839 finds a literal mountain of silver in a you know, 439 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,279 precious metals based currency world, would you act any differently 440 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,480 than the Spaniards did. It's like, if you were born 441 00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:52,920 in the Boomer generation, would you act any differently than 442 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:53,759 the boomers did? 443 00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:54,559 Speaker 1: You know? 444 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,079 Speaker 2: It's like it's it's it's it's the resource curse. Right 445 00:26:57,079 --> 00:26:58,799 when you have a glut of something, you kind of 446 00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:02,200 treat it as you kind of treat it for granted. 447 00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:05,519 So yeah, that's and and that's going to be a 448 00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:07,119 big jungle. What we're going to talk about, We're going 449 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,799 to talk a lot about Spanish monetary policy, Spanish coinage, 450 00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:16,839 you know, particularly based around their treasure fleets and the 451 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,240 gold and silver that they extracted from the colonies. But 452 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,680 what we are also going to talk about, I keep 453 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:25,480 mentioning the Grand Duchy of Burgundy and the Low Countries 454 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:28,559 and the Netherlands. It is extremely important to keep mentioning 455 00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:34,160 these places because despite all of that currency, all of 456 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,720 that all those precious metals coming into the Spanish economy, 457 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,160 the most productive and valuable and revenue creating provinces within 458 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:50,319 the Spanish Empire were the Low Country provinces, was Flanders, 459 00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:55,039 Holland Zealand, and the other Dutch provinces. These were the 460 00:27:55,039 --> 00:28:01,160 the highest revenue creating provinces within the half spurg Spanish Dominion. 461 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,640 Which is why, you know, a very large part of 462 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,400 the reason why the Eighty Years War occurred is because 463 00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:12,160 all of the sudden, all of these provinces, which were 464 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:19,039 the largest revenue generating provinces within the Spanish Empire, revolted 465 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:24,240 all of a sudden. You know, if you're here, this 466 00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:26,279 is something I think this is a master key that 467 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,880 I think. I think your listeners, mister Pete, if they 468 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,799 haven't already taken it to heart, I think I think 469 00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:35,200 they need to take I think a lot of our 470 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,400 guys need to start taking it seriously too. Someone once says, 471 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,680 some dictator somewhere said that politics is the entertainment of 472 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:49,240 the banking industry. And that doesn't mean politics doesn't exist 473 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:52,240 or isn't important, you know, I'm not. I'm not like 474 00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:55,039 trying to be like some kind of gnostic here and 475 00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:56,640 me like, oh, actually, the only thing you need to 476 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,599 watch is financial markets. Politics has now influence on anything, 477 00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:05,279 because i'd be it does. But if you are not 478 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:10,880 looking at the world situation. And with that, if you're 479 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,680 looking at the world situation and you're not looking at 480 00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:17,359 the financial aspect of it, you are not getting the 481 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:22,079 full picture. As a matter of fact, you know, one 482 00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:25,960 of the reasons that the Dutch one against the Spaniards, 483 00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:28,039 or at least that they were able to hold out 484 00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:30,920 for so long, it's called the eighty Years War for 485 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,160 for for a reason, Amsterdam was under siege for so 486 00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:39,440 long that a whole economy developed in Amsterdam like like 487 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,559 that it was like normal like like you know, like 488 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:47,640 like a whole siege economy developed to the point where 489 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,960 like Dutch officials were purposely not prosecuting privateers, but they 490 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,799 were raising prices to such a point that that that 491 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,559 like pirates and smugglers would start selling goods to their 492 00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:02,240 citizens at a lower price than the than the Dutch 493 00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:06,720 government could sell to their citizens, you know. So that's 494 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,480 that's like the kind of hard decisions that were being made. 495 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,240 But one of the reasons that we're that the that 496 00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:16,559 the Dutch were able to hold out against this much 497 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,000 larger opponent for so long. Part of it is because 498 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:22,559 of Maurice of Nassau's military reforms, but part of it 499 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:26,200 is because the Dutch were superior accountants. The Dutch kept 500 00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:28,720 better track of their goods than the Spanish did. Now 501 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,440 it's easier for the Dutch too, because they had a 502 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:35,880 much smaller area. But what was it. It was one 503 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,480 one miss payment to mercenaries changed the whole tide of 504 00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:43,039 the of the Eighty Years War. So that's what we're 505 00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:44,440 going to kind of go into. We're going to go 506 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,359 into the sort of hyperinflation which did occur with Spanish 507 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,640 gold and silver. That's very similar to today. We're going to 508 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,599 talk a lot about how the Spanish government declared bankruptcy 509 00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:00,599 like seven times over fifty years. I think they declared 510 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:06,400 bankruptcy twice in one year. Once we're going to talk 511 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,000 about the talking about banking, We're going to talk about 512 00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:12,839 the Fuggers, the f U G G E r S, 513 00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:18,599 the richest banking family and history, who were the sort 514 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,079 of the the financial backers of the Habsburg dynasty and 515 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:26,400 their various constituent parts. They're the reason why the Habsburgs 516 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,200 were able to remain Holy Roman Emperor for so long 517 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:35,480 because the Fugger finances were what bought the elections. And 518 00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:37,839 we're going to talk about like nascent banking systems and 519 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,839 like the decline of the Italian banks and the rise 520 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,599 of more Nordic banks. So we're also going to talk 521 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,920 about how the Protestant Reformation allowed for sort of these 522 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:51,920 nascent domestic credit markets within these Protestant countries to start 523 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,319 developing with something resembling fiat currency and early version of it, 524 00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:04,480 and and as like a as a point of parallelism. 525 00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:09,920 All right, but uh yeah, what else We're also and 526 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,720 we're also going to talk about how much like much 527 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,640 like is the case in the United States today, we're 528 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,759 going to talk about how the Spanish Empire actually impoverished 529 00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:24,519 the Iberian Peninsula rather than enriched it because none of 530 00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:27,799 that wealth, all of the wealth that was extracted from 531 00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:30,400 the New World and that came from the Dutch provinces, 532 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:34,599 none of it was reinvested in the Iberian And that's 533 00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:37,440 a very significant part of the reason why Spain is 534 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,759 so poor today as compared to like Italy, right not 535 00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:44,279 because it's a Mediterranean country, because there's Italy right over there, 536 00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:47,559 which is much better developed, has a lot more wealth 537 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:54,119 sitting in it. Spain was drained of wealth and manpower 538 00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:56,359 and all these other things for these you know, constant 539 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,920 Habsburg wars. And a large reason for this was because 540 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:06,319 the Habsburgs were in many ways foreigners to the Iberian Peninsula. 541 00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:09,519 They were not Spaniards, they were Germans, and you know, 542 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,759 actually to a certain extent they came from the Low 543 00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:14,720 countries as well, and a lot of and their court 544 00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:17,039 kind of reflected that. You know, there's a reason why 545 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,279 Spain and the Holy Roman Empire weren't really considered two 546 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,319 separate entities. They were considered the one contiguous Hapsburg entity, 547 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,200 and we're going to talk about how there was kind 548 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,759 of a domestic Spanish Castilian very specifically, but that's getting 549 00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:35,799 into another episode. But but yeah, we're going to talk 550 00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:40,319 about the economic strain and the economic costs that the 551 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,359 Iberian Peninsula had to kind of shoulder for this, because 552 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:48,119 unlike Great Britain, right, Great Britain had a whole different model. 553 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,680 Great Britain, all of the wealth that it extracted from 554 00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:57,480 its colonies, it reinvested in the British Isles themselves. That's 555 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,240 why they were able to remain much more powerful for 556 00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:04,039 much longer, was that money was reinvested in. This is 557 00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:06,640 why the Industrial Revolution was able to occur in England, 558 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,599 in Great Britain was because revenues from the colonies were 559 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:15,119 reinvested in the empire in in England itself, at least initially. 560 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:23,440 And France, France's France's colonies were never serious enough to 561 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:29,199 cause any sort of major reinvestment. But Spain is an 562 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,280 example of like, it had these mass, vast, sprawling colonies, 563 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,800 any of them, and it never even really developed itself. 564 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,280 And we're going to get into why that kind of occurred. 565 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,119 So yeah, I mean a lot of the more economically 566 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:52,159 minded of your listenership, your viewership might enjoy that episode 567 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,239 in particular because it's a it's an angle on world 568 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,079 history that not a lot of people take. 569 00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 1: People are going to be fascinated by it because they're 570 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,760 going to see a system that's way more advanced than 571 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,199 they would expect for the time. 572 00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, no, you all were not. If you 573 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,480 should have learned one thing from the disson it right, 574 00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:18,239 you should have learned this is that you're not as 575 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,840 clever as you think you are. And just because we 576 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,760 got computers and smartphones, that doesn't make us that much 577 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,000 different at all from our ancestors in terms of like 578 00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:33,079 the complexity of systems we can create. Shoot, like I 579 00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:36,239 was listening on them, I was on a stone Choir episode. 580 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:43,480 I heard this once that in Mesopotamia we found something 581 00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:46,239 resembling like a credit card. 582 00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:47,599 Speaker 1: You know, it was a. 583 00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 2: System of like exactly eighteen percent, which is the typical 584 00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:58,639 market rate for a credit card today. So nothing Solomon 585 00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:03,519 said it in in I think it's in Ecclesiastes. He 586 00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:05,159 said this. I could be misquoting, but I think this 587 00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:07,920 is in Ecclesiastes. If it's not in Ecclesiastes. It's in Proverbs, 588 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,119 but it's I think it's an Ecclesiastes. He says nothing 589 00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:16,960 is new under the sun. And what he also said, 590 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:19,400 I know he says this in Proverbs. He also says 591 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,760 in Proverbs to do not inquire why the do not 592 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,559 inquire why were the former days better than these? For 593 00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:30,119 it is not from wisdom that you ask this. All right, Look, 594 00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:33,880 the past is not like this grand cornucopeia, great place 595 00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:37,920 that you need to yearn for. It's dead, it's gone, 596 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,480 it's past, it's done. You know, you need to understand 597 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,800 it to understand how we got here. But you know, 598 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,400 the whole purpose of all historical study is to then 599 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,760 come back to the present with a better understanding of 600 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,840 how to manipulate things and how to change things. So yeah, 601 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:59,400 like yes, exactly on that point. These systems are very sophisticated, 602 00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:02,039 and the ones we have today are really just scaled 603 00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:09,119 up versions. That's the only real difference. And speaking of systems, 604 00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:13,679 all right, the episode after we do the economy episode, 605 00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:18,079 we're gonna start going into Spain as the first modern state. 606 00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:20,960 We're also going to talk about, as always, the Duchy 607 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,039 of Burgen, the Grand Duchy of Burgundy, and a lot 608 00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:26,719 of their systems that were borrowed by the Spanish and 609 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,639 the Habsburgs, and also by the Dutch, but particularly in 610 00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:32,480 the Spanish context. We're going to be talking about the 611 00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:39,039 Consta Contraxion, which was kind of in one building that 612 00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:40,559 was sort of this I don't want to say that 613 00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:44,239 it was like the administrative center of Spanish government that 614 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:53,840 decided coinage, contracts for colonial affairs, It decided, it decided 615 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,199 all sorts of things, and it really was. It's like 616 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,679 it's it's it's this first kind of modern even though 617 00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:02,159 it's in one building. It's this first kind of modern 618 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,159 bureaucratic center that was required for an empire as big 619 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,880 as the Spanish was. We're also going to talk about 620 00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:15,199 Elis Scoriol, which was the monastery palace that Philip the 621 00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:19,320 Second reigned from and you know, did his work from. 622 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,119 We're going to talk about how Philip the Second's desk 623 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,639 had something like fourteen thousand pieces of paper on it 624 00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:31,719 at any given time, and he was trying to basically 625 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,000 deal with all of it at once. We're going to 626 00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:38,559 talk about the foundation of the city of Madrid itself, 627 00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:42,079 because the city of Madrid, mister Pete, was actually an 628 00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:45,119 artificial city. It was artificially it was a small, little 629 00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:49,440 like river village. It was artificially created by the Habsburgs 630 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,679 as kind of this center of governance in this in 631 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:57,639 the geographic center of Spain, once they started adopting the 632 00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:01,639 title Kings of Spain rather than Kings of Castile and Aragon. 633 00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:06,079 And also we're going to talk about the Council of 634 00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:09,719 the INDI's, which was this kind of this this novel 635 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,559 colonial institution that managed the rest of the empire. But 636 00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:17,239 basically the whole point of this is in the government 637 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,000 of the Spanish Empire, you see the beginnings of what 638 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,519 we would call a modern state, and what that really 639 00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:29,880 means is the changing nature of the bureaucracy. We're also 640 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,480 going to talk about the decidedly foreign character of a 641 00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:35,280 lot of the Spanish bureaucracy, how a lot of the 642 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,000 Spanish bureaucrats came from the Low Countries or Germany or 643 00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:43,280 other places, and the tensions that it caused with with 644 00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:47,280 the what is it with the native Iberians with the Spaniards, 645 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,559 which actually brings us anything. 646 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: On that, mister Pete, No, not on that part. 647 00:39:56,639 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, and so this brings us into the next episode, 648 00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:06,079 which is about dissonance, contemporary dissonance. All right, this is 649 00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:10,199 where we are going to compare ourselves to the group 650 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,119 of people we are the most analogous to at this time. 651 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,679 And it's not it's not just the Protestants, because lots 652 00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:21,320 of Catholics started using the printing press too, lots of 653 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:26,039 particularly the Jesuits. The Jesuits were actually the ones who 654 00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:30,519 were intellectually engaging with many of the Protestant reformers, many 655 00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:33,360 of the Protestant thinkers. They were in correspondence, they were 656 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,480 in dialogue, they were the Jesuits were responding to many 657 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:42,320 of their theological claims. Many, many interesting theological developments came 658 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,840 out of this era. Particularly I'm thinking of a I'm 659 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:52,480 thinking of a particular school of eschatology, which actually a 660 00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:58,599 Jesuit was the first one to fully write a systemized 661 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,480 treatment of called a prem which is the idea that 662 00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:06,079 a good chunk of revelation and the and the tribulation 663 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:13,400 actually occurred in eighty seventy and that the that the 664 00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:16,199 what was it that the Book of Revelation was not 665 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,119 written in eighty ninety five, but that actually it was 666 00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:24,280 written in eighty sixty five, five years prior to the 667 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,880 destruction of the City of Jerusalem, which if and that's 668 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,800 just a minor archaeological quibble, but if it but said, 669 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,599 I don't want to, I don't mean to go into eschatology. 670 00:41:33,639 --> 00:41:35,119 Some of you may be familiar with it, but that 671 00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:38,679 was that was what is it? That was written by 672 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,000 a Jesuit priest, which was then taken seriously by a 673 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,079 group of Dutch of Dutch Reformed Protestants who kind of 674 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,559 treated it in I forget the name. It was one 675 00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:52,280 guy it was, I forget his name. He if it 676 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,639 comes back. But basically what I want to show is that, like, look, 677 00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:57,760 this was an intellectual war as much as it was 678 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,320 one of politics and economics, right, and these people were 679 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,639 in dialogue with each other. 680 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 1: What was it? 681 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,119 Speaker 2: And and you know we're going to talk about like 682 00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:10,440 the sort of the Guten you could call it, I 683 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,480 call it Gutenberg Twitter. You know, you had these like 684 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:19,519 hastily done woodcut memes that were rapidly printed and spread, 685 00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:22,480 or at least in the whatever the seventeenth century version 686 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,639 of hyper fast of rapid pamphlets are being spread far 687 00:42:26,639 --> 00:42:32,159 and wide miniature plays essays basically substacks. Uh, what the 688 00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:35,519 Gutenberg printing press allowed for was just for people to 689 00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:37,960 basically publish there. If you got one, you could publish 690 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:44,559 your own substack immediately. Yeah. And obviously we're going to 691 00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:50,039 talk about some of the particularly the Protestant dissonant behaviors. 692 00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:51,760 We're going to talk about a lot of the parallel 693 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,480 economies that they tried to set up, including you know, 694 00:42:56,559 --> 00:43:01,039 you know, a nascent form of CAM. But we're also 695 00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:06,199 going to talk about the English's maritime strategy to sort 696 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,280 of like you know, because here's the thing, right, none 697 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,840 of these countries could confront the Habsburgs directly, all right, 698 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,079 once again, stop me, this sounds familiar, right, None of 699 00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:23,239 the Habsburg Empire was the dominant power, the the dominant force. 700 00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:25,920 One on one, any one of these countries would have 701 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:32,119 been swamped, would have been crushed, all right. But also 702 00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:36,280 the Habsburg system, the Spanish system, was very much in decline, 703 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,000 was very much in sort of bureaucratic bloat and over 704 00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:49,639 extension and you know, very very poor resource misallocation. And 705 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,960 so the Protestants, basically the Protestant and France also, I 706 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:59,760 don't forget about France. The Protestants in France all kind 707 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,480 of took this approach of, well, don't confront them directly 708 00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:08,159 if you can absolutely avoid it, and just let them 709 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:13,360 peter themselves out, because everyone knew eventually this could not continue. 710 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,880 But Spain, in the Habsburg system and in the Christendom 711 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,000 world system, had built up so much momentum that you 712 00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:21,719 can't stop it. You just have to kind of sidestep it, 713 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,480 get out of its way and then maybe like cut 714 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:28,920 at the knees like England did with its privateer strategy. 715 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,440 And yes, and we're also going to you know, we're 716 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:38,599 also going to talk about the the the dissonance in 717 00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:44,559 the in Iberia actually, who weren't at all Protestants, you know, 718 00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:48,400 hated Protestants. They were good Catholics, but they did have 719 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,239 a what I call them the castel first party. And 720 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,639 they were not the only one. Matter of fact, there 721 00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:57,039 was a there was a Portugal was under the possession 722 00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:58,320 of Spain at this time, and there was a lot 723 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,519 of Portuguese who didn't like the idea of being under 724 00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:05,000 Hapsburg dominion and they wanted as the same with the Italians. 725 00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:09,400 The Italians had this long tradition of political republicanism and 726 00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:14,320 city states that were separate from the sort of Habsburg Empire. 727 00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:17,079 And so you have a lot of dissidence in these 728 00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:20,719 places that is not necessarily religious in nature, but is 729 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,239 more so quasi I don't want to say nationalists, but 730 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,840 like because more so like like quasi, like hey, why 731 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,599 are we being ruled by all of these German speakers 732 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,639 who are sapping wealth from us? So, but particularly is 733 00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:36,559 the sort of I call them the Caskial first party. 734 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:41,280 They did not like the direction that Spain was going in, 735 00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:46,880 and they were a very vocal They were a group 736 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:53,960 of very vocally critical nobles within the Catholic the Habsburg court. 737 00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:58,440 So yeah, I mean there's whenever you have any sort 738 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,599 of world system, there's all sorts of ways you can 739 00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:02,920 criticize it. There's all sorts of grievances with it. But 740 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,039 the only thing that all the dissidents agree on is 741 00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:08,920 the current thing has to go after that though, you 742 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,519 know anyway. That's yeah, that's what we're going to be 743 00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:15,760 touching on with the with the Dissonance episode. 744 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 1: Just to you're talking about the Dutch pastor, it was 745 00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:29,719 Hugo Grotius who latched onto preterism from the Jesuits. And 746 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,280 then the what I think is the seminal work that 747 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:40,679 I've read, I read three times in one year is 748 00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:46,119 book by j. Stewart Russell. He was a English Baptist, 749 00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:52,000 called the Perusia, and he basically goes through it's a 750 00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:56,920 great book to how he takes all of the the 751 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:03,599 scripture and harmonizes them to show how much of how 752 00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:07,239 much of it had already come to fruition in the 753 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:07,960 first century. 754 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:13,559 Speaker 2: So yeah, and that's that's you might have to send 755 00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:15,719 me that after the show because I'm I'm actually pretty 756 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:20,519 interested because preterism is the small little aside here. Eschatology 757 00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:22,800 is one of those things I've been kind of, you know, 758 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,679 thinking about a lot recently. And the one that I'm 759 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:31,320 just I'm I just feel like would answer the most questions, 760 00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:34,920 you know, without actually under at all undermining the text 761 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,079 of revelation, but would answer the most questions is preterism. 762 00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:41,599 Predism feels like the viewpoint that answers the most questions 763 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,239 without undermining the text the text itself. Maybe some people disagree, 764 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,000 but yeah, send me the send me that I might 765 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,440 listen to this on the replay too, but send me 766 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:56,159 the title of that book. Sure, yeah, so but yes, yeah, 767 00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:58,480 and I mean and that's exactly yeah, Hugo Grotius, that's 768 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,239 who it was. But yeah, there's also, uh, there's also 769 00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:07,480 the other Now that we're on Dutch religious thinkers, I'm 770 00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:12,400 thinking of the one who highly critique the Catholic Church 771 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:18,039 of Hitzinga. Wrote a book on him, highly critique to 772 00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:22,280 the Catholic Church, but didn't become a Protestant. Matter of fact, 773 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,679 he rejected when the Protestants reached out to him. He 774 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,239 kind of reject. I'm trying to think he was another 775 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:34,079 Dutch guy, famous name Erasmus Erasmus. Yeah, Erasmus was was 776 00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:35,920 you know, was another one of these like like you know, 777 00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:40,880 another one of these sort of great intellectuals of the time. 778 00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:44,960 And yes, this these people were all in dialogue. This 779 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,639 is the thing I want to emphasize. These all of 780 00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:49,960 the brightest minds of the Catholic Church and of the 781 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:55,400 reformers were in some respects actually exchanging letters, debating things. 782 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,400 You know. That's the say you not think of people 783 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:05,239 at all. Uh. And there's you know, uh anyway, so yeah, 784 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:11,079 this is like yeah, so yeah, anyway, before without going 785 00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:13,719 into something I've already said. That's what we're going to 786 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,599 be talking about with the and we're also going to 787 00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:18,199 be talking about a lot of the responses that the 788 00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,480 authorities took to the frankly, the Protestant. Just as how 789 00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:26,559 the Catholics had their dissidents that were not necessarily Protestants, 790 00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:32,400 the Protestant state authorities clamped down on their dissonants as hard, 791 00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:36,119 if not harder than a lot of what the Catholics did. Right, 792 00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:38,920 This is not like people talk about a lot about 793 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,320 the Reformation, but they forget a lot about like the 794 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,719 magisterial versus the radical and even with not even necessarily 795 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,400 just radical reformers. But you know a lot of the 796 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,119 dissidents who were orthodox Protestant but critique to the secular 797 00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:56,360 authority of a lot of these Protestant states. Yet there 798 00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,880 there was absolutely you know, like I said, this is 799 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:05,760 all like, yes, we have these simplistic narratives in our 800 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,599 head that kind of help with polemics, but the reality 801 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,599 is a lot more messy, and everyone is kind of 802 00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:14,119 doing the same thing. It's just you know, for different 803 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,960 stated intentions. But yeah, we're gonna that's what we're gonna 804 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:22,760 talk about got us speed this up a little bit here. 805 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,960 So the episode after that, after we talk about a 806 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,239 lot about the dissonance. Now we're going to get into 807 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,320 the sort of the the end game. All right, We're 808 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,840 gonna get the end game started. So the episode after 809 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:41,639 that is going to be the shoot I lost the 810 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,280 I lost my little table of contents I. 811 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:43,760 Speaker 1: Was reading through. 812 00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:47,800 Speaker 2: Uh here it is, all right, it's going to be 813 00:50:48,519 --> 00:50:51,239 the Christendom's crisis of legitimacy. We're gonna go into the 814 00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:57,800 Dutch revolt here. We're going into like the lead up 815 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,199 to the Thirty Years War basically is it's like you know, 816 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,079 the you know, the the French Wars of religion, the 817 00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:09,519 you know, we're going to go into the consequences of 818 00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:15,800 the Council of Trent, Philip the Second's claim on Spain, 819 00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:18,920 or it's not a same Philip the Second's claim on 820 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:25,400 England through his marriage to Mary, Queen of Scott's what 821 00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:30,159 is it he and and the Armadas and this kind 822 00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:31,840 of this growing sort of like. 823 00:51:33,519 --> 00:51:33,880 Speaker 1: What is it? 824 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,559 Speaker 2: This growing these growing two camps of like sort of 825 00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:42,079 the Catholic League and the Protestant League, and what pushed 826 00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:49,280 each individual country into both sides, you know, one of 827 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,079 the I've just noticed this, mister p I don't want 828 00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:53,880 to mission creep any further. But as I was describing this, right, 829 00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:57,159 one of the key factors that I haven't talked about 830 00:51:57,199 --> 00:51:59,880 at all that I'm probably gonna have to find place 831 00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:01,760 to insert because we can't do a whole epit. This 832 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,800 is not about this is not about them, but is 833 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,280 the Turks. I've totally forgotten the impact that the Turks 834 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,719 had on all of this. Right, It's easy to get 835 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,639 trapped in the Western europe bubble, but no, the Turks had. 836 00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,280 The Turks were one of the biggest, like you know, 837 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:23,239 exterior forces of this whole thing. So I might have 838 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,239 to actually, I'll find places to insert the Turks. But yeah, 839 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,039 the Turks are very important here as well, but more 840 00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:33,599 so as like an outside kind of influence as to 841 00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:41,039 what's causing things to happen within Europe. But yes, as 842 00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:42,800 we kind of we're going to talk about the sort 843 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,239 of crisis we're going to end right on the eve 844 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:50,360 of what would then become the Thirty Years War. Then 845 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,840 we're gonna have a whole episode talking about the Thirty 846 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,760 Years War, all right, you could do a whole series, 847 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,679 multiple series on the Thirty Years War. There is so 848 00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:04,400 much to cover. We've got only an episode, all right, 849 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,599 So what we're gonna focus on within the Thirty Years War, 850 00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:08,280 I'm as much as I'd like to, I don't think 851 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,840 we're going to focus on as much the what is it? 852 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:18,000 The military aspects of it or things like although, shoot, 853 00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:21,880 the Thirty Years War, I mean I made a tweet 854 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,679 about this once, but just the wide spread quality of 855 00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:31,599 generalship that everyone had in the Thirty Years War, you know, 856 00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:37,559 on both the Catholic and Protestant sides. You know the 857 00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:43,400 most famously Gustavus Adolphus, the Count of Bourbon, who was 858 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:50,039 a Catholic on the Protestant side because he was French Christian, 859 00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:54,679 the fourth of Denmark, Maurice of Nassau in the in 860 00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:59,280 the in the Dutch sense. But then on the on 861 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:05,440 the on the Spanish side, you have you have Friggin' Wallenstein, 862 00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:11,320 who's one of my favorite commanders, invented military logistics, Count Tilly, 863 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:21,679 you know Piccolomini, uh Spinola, Ambrosio Spinola, the Cardinal and Fonte. 864 00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:28,480 There's so many, so many like just outstanding, stellar generals. 865 00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:32,280 It was stacked. It was a stacked era, right, and 866 00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:36,960 everyone was like top quality. That's to say nothing of 867 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,039 what was going on in England with the English Civil War. 868 00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:44,360 We're actually we're not going to touch on that, but yeah, 869 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,880 and then of course we're going to talk about that, 870 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,280 and and sort of the whole point of the Thirty 871 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,599 Years War episode is to basically show like, yeah, this 872 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:55,000 is the death knell of Christendom as a world system 873 00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:01,360 with the Treaty of Asphalia. The Treaty vest Faalia is 874 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,400 you know, it's one of the few firm dates that 875 00:55:04,679 --> 00:55:08,400 everyone agrees on and everyone points to as like like 876 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,320 one of the actual like watershed moments. Is like, okay, 877 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:16,519 you know, the Treaty of vest Fallia firmly ends Christendom 878 00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:22,000 as a world system and kind of begins this nascent 879 00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:25,800 idea of a sort of nations, a competing nation states. 880 00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:31,840 I don't think it's it's accurate to describe best Falia 881 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,440 as a world system because there was no real central authority. 882 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,559 It was more of like an agreed upon set of 883 00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:39,960 rules for a certain period of time instead of a 884 00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:44,039 you know, a sort of internationally imposed set of rules. 885 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,960 Although maybe some disagree with me on that. That's fine, 886 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,599 but that's what we're gonna primarily be focusing on is 887 00:55:51,639 --> 00:55:54,639 just the Thirty Years War, the end of the Christendom 888 00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:58,440 world system, and the Treaty of as Fhalia in that episode. 889 00:55:58,519 --> 00:56:01,320 Very simple, particularly, we're going to be looking at the 890 00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:05,039 power politics. And the point I want to take is 891 00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:07,719 that with the Thirty Years Wars that a lot of 892 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,960 people like, oh, it's just this secular war and had 893 00:56:10,039 --> 00:56:11,840 nothing to do with religion, and I kind of want 894 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,119 to like, at least initially, as wars drag on, they 895 00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:17,719 just kind of become their own reason for existence. You know, 896 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,280 most people forget the reasons why they're fighting the war 897 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,280 about a year in, especially if they drag out. That's 898 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,119 why war is terrible and it is to be avoided 899 00:56:26,119 --> 00:56:33,840 at all costs. Guess where I got that. But uh yeah, 900 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,360 So that's what we're gonna be talking about. But what 901 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:36,480 I want to get at here is that the Thirty 902 00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:40,559 Years War absolutely was a religious war. Being characterized as 903 00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:45,599 like a religious confrontations between Protestants and Catholics is probably 904 00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:48,760 one of the only accurate ways you can characterize that conflict. 905 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,400 It's like, oh, but what about France. France had its. 906 00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:55,000 France is like a special special case France had its 907 00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:59,280 as we'll we'll go into. But yeah, that's what we're 908 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:00,920 gonna talking about for the episode, and that's going to 909 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,599 be our second to last episode. Anything on that real quick, mister. 910 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,639 Speaker 1: Pete, Nope, keep going, all right. 911 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,920 Speaker 2: So this brings us into our final episode of the 912 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,039 series that we will end the series, all right, and 913 00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:17,960 we might have like a sort of an episode after 914 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,360 this where we kind of review the series and we 915 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,800 kind of talk about the things that had been brought 916 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,480 up and the applications to modern day. But this is 917 00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:30,480 like the final episode of like content that I have 918 00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:34,320 planned itself. And we may have bonus episodes and we 919 00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,639 may have we may compress some of these, but like 920 00:57:37,679 --> 00:57:40,079 I said, this is the last episode. This is going 921 00:57:40,119 --> 00:57:44,800 to be a sort of clean up of everything. We're 922 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,239 going to talk about the aftermath of everything that happened 923 00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:50,079 and the sort of the twilight of because Spain is 924 00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:54,440 a world power actually did not end with the Treaty 925 00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,960 of St. Foalia. Spain was still a world power after 926 00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:03,480 the Treaty of ast Fallia, but it did not end 927 00:58:03,519 --> 00:58:08,440 as a as a world power until the Treaty of 928 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,679 the Pyrenees, which was about I think ten or so 929 00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:17,719 ten to fifteen years later somewhere around that point, which 930 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,320 basically Spain firmly was ended as the dominant world power 931 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,719 of Europe, to be replaced by France. And that begins 932 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:30,480 the sort of the that begins the sort of the 933 00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:37,599 Grand century of France, or well the grand two centuries 934 00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:42,760 of France really, So, yeah, we're going to talk about 935 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:47,000 how the nature of the papacy and modern politics changed 936 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,800 with the end of the Thirty Years War. We're going 937 00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:55,360 to talk about how the Holy Roman Empire changed with 938 00:58:55,519 --> 00:58:58,880 the Treaty of Esphalia, because all these things stuck around, 939 00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:02,000 but they were completely different and how everyone thought of them. 940 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,599 We're going to talk about how the Habsburg dynasty themselves 941 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,400 changed after the Thirty Years War. We are going to 942 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,639 be talking about, of course, the Treaty of the Pyrenees 943 00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:14,760 and like the sort of the decline and end of 944 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,480 Spain as the primary European power. Now Spain is still 945 00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:22,599 Spain is still a serious European power until the War 946 00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:26,320 of Spanish Succession, which we're actually going to touch on 947 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:31,639 as well. Yeah, we're going to look at the post 948 00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:35,159 Treaty of the Pyrenees kind of decline and end of 949 00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:39,119 Habsburg Spain with the death of Charles the Second. And 950 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,360 we're not going to really go into the War of 951 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,280 Spanish Succession, but the War of Spanish Succession is going 952 00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,119 to be the kind of the first salvo of the 953 00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:52,360 there's kind of a half century breather after the Thirty 954 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:56,639 Years War for a lot of reasons, but you know, 955 00:59:58,039 --> 01:00:03,159 it kind of completely obliterated the content. But in the 956 01:00:03,639 --> 01:00:06,159 beginning the War of Spanish Succession, which begins and I'm 957 01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:13,440 pretty sure seventeen o one and ends in seventeen twelve, 958 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,360 the War of Spanish Succession is the beginning of the 959 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:21,960 next kind of nascent great power competition, the sort of 960 01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:26,679 the era what I call the Great Powers Era. The 961 01:00:26,679 --> 01:00:29,800 War of Spanish Succession is really when this idea of 962 01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:36,480 nation states as competing entities really get started and the 963 01:00:36,519 --> 01:00:39,320 borders of these nation states start getting a lot more 964 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:43,960 well defined and less complex, and that kind of has 965 01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,920 to go with the Enlightenment. But that's well outside the scope. 966 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,719 But that's kind of that's all the stuff we're going 967 01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,800 to touch on on the final kind of content episode 968 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,039 and like I said, we might have an episode after 969 01:00:55,039 --> 01:00:56,760 that where we all where we you know, you and 970 01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,280 I would just kind of talk for an hour about 971 01:00:59,719 --> 01:01:02,920 every thing we discussed in that series, the takeaways that 972 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,119 the that the viewer can kind of take in the 973 01:01:06,159 --> 01:01:10,280 world system that we currently live in today, and you know, 974 01:01:10,519 --> 01:01:12,960 but like other than that, that's that's just kind of 975 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,599 that's that's whether it's at your leisure, but for the 976 01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:18,239 most part, that's the whole. That's the table of contents, 977 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,679 ladies and gentlemen. That's it. That's everything. That's all I've 978 01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:23,639 got planned for right now. I don't want a mission 979 01:01:23,719 --> 01:01:25,920 creep and I don't want to expand that, and I 980 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,920 already have fit a lot into those into those episodes. 981 01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:35,159 So yeah, I mean that's uh, that's that's pretty much everything. 982 01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:41,440 Speaker 1: Excellent. Yeah. I like the idea of doing a doing 983 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,920 a wrap up at the end, maybe even a live 984 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,840 stream where we can take questions. 985 01:01:48,239 --> 01:01:51,639 Speaker 2: No, I think that's a great idea. Yeah, because this 986 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:56,000 is something I want, like like your series with Thomas, 987 01:01:56,039 --> 01:01:59,400 this is a deep dive. This is like I want 988 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,400 the viewers to like watch this as it comes out, 989 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,320 because the thing is like this is not like a 990 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,159 series where you can just watch one episode, like you know, 991 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,039 I may contradict that later, but like this, this is 992 01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:14,519 something where you have to watch the whole thing. You 993 01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:18,440 have to you have to get as complete of a picture, 994 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,280 because this analysis will not work if you aren't sort 995 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,599 of following us down the rabbit holes to the different 996 01:02:24,679 --> 01:02:28,880 kind of ways that you can analyze this. Because you know, 997 01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,760 if you want to operate, especially as a dissonant in 998 01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,639 today's or I get instead of saying it isn't, I 999 01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:39,559 guess you should say as a as a external elite. 1000 01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:45,039 All right. If you want to operate as that, you 1001 01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:49,199 need to approach it from a multi domain, a multifaceted lens, 1002 01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,519 and you need to have you need to have a 1003 01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:54,039 lot of what you need to have a lot of 1004 01:02:54,039 --> 01:02:55,920 what's going on a lot of different levels in your 1005 01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:00,000 head at once. So yeah, that's what I have to say. 1006 01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:00,360 Speaker 1: Say. 1007 01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:04,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, no, I like the idea of 1008 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,400 a live stream with people asking questions, So yeah, I 1009 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,280 want your listeners to follow along with this. I want 1010 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,280 I hope they get something out of this. I'm certainly 1011 01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,800 going to be putting quite a lot of work uh 1012 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,360 into into getting this uh done. Shoot, this may even 1013 01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,480 this may even turn into a book at some point 1014 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,360 if I really have that kind of time and energy, 1015 01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,559 which I doubt I will. But yes, that's a that's 1016 01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:28,840 everything I got, mister Pete. 1017 01:03:30,679 --> 01:03:35,760 Speaker 1: Sounds good. Promote away. I think I know what you'll promote. 1018 01:03:36,159 --> 01:03:40,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, just you know, Old Glory Club. I have to 1019 01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,639 say it every single time. You all know it's coming. 1020 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,480 Just Old Glory Club. Get involved, Get involved. It's absolutely 1021 01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:49,239 vital you get involved in the As I said last 1022 01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:53,920 time that I did one of these episodes, the time 1023 01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:56,719 for you to get in on the ground floor is 1024 01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:02,280 very rapidly closing. At the rate we are growing, you 1025 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,519 will not be able to join at the same standing 1026 01:04:05,679 --> 01:04:10,800 you can join at right now, right cause we are 1027 01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:15,440 we are still at a size where just about everyone 1028 01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:18,800 can be known. But just given the number of group 1029 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,840 chats that have spontaneously organized to start getting nascent chapters, 1030 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,480 I don't know half the people in some in most 1031 01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,800 of those group chats. All right, So if you were 1032 01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,039 on the fence about joining the Old Glory Club, you've 1033 01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:34,639 been listening to Pete show, you know, maybe on and off, 1034 01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:39,280 maybe religiously, and you haven't pulled the trick on the 1035 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,519 Old Glory Club. Yet it is now or never, because 1036 01:04:42,639 --> 01:04:45,559 I do not know if you can join as easily 1037 01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:48,039 in the future as you can join right now. We 1038 01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:51,559 are growing, we are getting very large, and it's going 1039 01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:53,599 to get to a point where we are going to 1040 01:04:53,679 --> 01:04:56,679 have to start maybe even telling some people no because 1041 01:04:56,719 --> 01:04:59,559 of because we might want to keep. We might want 1042 01:04:59,559 --> 01:05:01,599 to keep we're doing here with the system in tax 1043 01:05:01,719 --> 01:05:04,239 So if you want to get involved, a lot of 1044 01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,480 I've seen a ton of you, Pete, when you do 1045 01:05:07,559 --> 01:05:08,719 these shows, what. 1046 01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:09,280 Speaker 1: Is it like? Like? 1047 01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,119 Speaker 2: What is it when I go and check the email 1048 01:05:11,199 --> 01:05:15,480 sometimes in the Old Glory Club Gmail account A lot 1049 01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,599 of the time it's it's more than I think anyone. 1050 01:05:17,639 --> 01:05:19,159 It's like, hey, I heard about this from listening to 1051 01:05:19,159 --> 01:05:21,039 the Pete Canyona show. Hey I heard this listening to 1052 01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:22,800 the Peak con Yona show. Hey I Pete was talking 1053 01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,280 about this. I want to see. So this is one 1054 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,840 of the most important platforms for getting this word out there. 1055 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,000 But if you were on the fence about joining the 1056 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:35,280 Old Glory Club, do it now? Get involved now? I 1057 01:05:35,559 --> 01:05:38,119 do not Where we are wrapping up what we're calling 1058 01:05:38,159 --> 01:05:40,199 the second Founding that's going to be wrapped up by 1059 01:05:40,239 --> 01:05:42,920 about year's end, we have what is it? There's only 1060 01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,519 I don't know. I mean, you could quibble about Alabama, 1061 01:05:47,559 --> 01:05:50,800 but there's there's, there's there's yeah, I guess you could. 1062 01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:53,480 You could count Alabama. You could count Florida too. So 1063 01:05:53,559 --> 01:05:56,440 we have four first founding chapters, all right, we have 1064 01:05:56,519 --> 01:05:58,880 four first founding chapters. Those are the only ones who 1065 01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,519 are going to be the first founding. But if if 1066 01:06:01,559 --> 01:06:04,400 you want to be in the second Founding, right, you 1067 01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:08,400 got to get involved by the end of this year, 1068 01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,320 because that's when we're going to be wrapping up this 1069 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:15,119 second Founding. And I absolutely assure you there will be 1070 01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:18,639 differences between chapters that are first and second Founding, but 1071 01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:20,599 that's how it always goes. So if you want to 1072 01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:23,679 get involved now, it's better to get involved. It was 1073 01:06:23,719 --> 01:06:26,159 better for you to get involved a year ago. But 1074 01:06:26,239 --> 01:06:28,599 the second best time is right now. And if you 1075 01:06:28,639 --> 01:06:31,280 get involved right now, it's better to be in the 1076 01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,480 second Founding than in the forty sixth or the the 1077 01:06:34,719 --> 01:06:35,960 or when we stop numbering it. 1078 01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:36,559 Speaker 1: And it's just. 1079 01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:39,960 Speaker 2: Dogc as set right. So I know that, I know, Pete, 1080 01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,079 that's a long friggin' ramble, But I really want to 1081 01:06:43,159 --> 01:06:45,320 drive this home. If you are on the fence about 1082 01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:50,119 getting involved, you need to get involved right now. Contact us. 1083 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,880 I'm sure Pete puts the email in the in the 1084 01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,920 show description or the website or whatever. Contact us somehow 1085 01:06:57,599 --> 01:06:59,559 and we can get you in contact with you know, 1086 01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:02,000 even if it's not we can get you in contact 1087 01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:05,440 with a pre existing chapter or an organizing chapter in 1088 01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,840 your local area, even if you're somewhat remote. We've even 1089 01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:12,880 thought about creating because chapters aren't necessarily geographically restricted, we've 1090 01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,480 thought about creating a floating free agent chapter of all 1091 01:07:15,519 --> 01:07:18,239 the guys who are just in a in disparate areas 1092 01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:21,159 and they can't there's no one around them, So we've 1093 01:07:21,159 --> 01:07:23,480 thought about throwing them and giving them a chapter just 1094 01:07:23,519 --> 01:07:26,440 so they have other guys that they know. So yeah, 1095 01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:28,119 I'm sorry, mister Peter. I've been talking about this for 1096 01:07:28,239 --> 01:07:30,960 like bringing three minutes at this point, but I do 1097 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,840 want to drive this home. Get involved. You do not 1098 01:07:35,079 --> 01:07:36,960 want to be too late. Get involved. 1099 01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:44,719 Speaker 1: I have at least probably five people contact me daily. 1100 01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,760 Is there a chapter in my area? Is there a 1101 01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:52,920 chapter in my area? And yeah, but yeah, you're right. 1102 01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:57,079 The earlier you get involved, the yeah, then you start 1103 01:07:57,119 --> 01:08:01,760 to learn about what we're doing, and yeah, I'll leave 1104 01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:06,199 it at that. Yeah, it's yeah. I think one of 1105 01:08:06,199 --> 01:08:11,320 the smart things is that you you don't go out 1106 01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:15,800 there and you tell everybody your plans. It's for you know, 1107 01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,800 there's some things that we just we want to talk 1108 01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:24,159 about privately, and yeah, that's it, that's it. Get involved 1109 01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:28,640 and uh yeah, and you'll you'll find out what You'll 1110 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,840 find out where we're going and what we plan on doing. 1111 01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:35,239 Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, and frankly, if you want to find out 1112 01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:38,279 about those plans, it's better to get involved sooner rather 1113 01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:41,000 than later, because as we get larger, those plans will 1114 01:08:41,039 --> 01:08:46,279 not extend out as far as they have been. But yeah, 1115 01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:48,119 that's that's all I really got. If you want to 1116 01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:50,119 follow me on Twitter, I guess cav king Paul. 1117 01:08:52,079 --> 01:08:55,399 Speaker 1: That's it all right, Paul, have a good evening. Thank you, 1118 01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:56,279 Take care,