1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,480 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,640 go to dpekclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,200 your support. Lots of legal stuff today, I can't help it. 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,320 Trump does the executive orders, Lefty sue, and then we 11 00:00:36,359 --> 00:00:42,320 get all of these you know, power drunk judges. Now, 12 00:00:42,359 --> 00:00:47,000 there is an executive order that I am particularly interested in. 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,880 Not a lot of people are talking about it, mainly 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,560 because it seems boring. I know, it's a heck of 15 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,240 a tease, trust me, though it is not. It is 16 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:06,400 disp parrot impact, disparate impact. Okay, So this is a 17 00:01:06,599 --> 00:01:08,519 is a whole theory and you may not know this, 18 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,959 but this thing is embedded in so much of our 19 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:22,920 case law. And what it means, basically is you don't 20 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,319 have to prove somebody's intent. All you have to do 21 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:32,680 is prove that the outcomes of a policy, you know, 22 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:41,480 hiring practice, whatever, if the outcome has differences that are 23 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:46,719 demographically identifiable. In other words, you want to hire a 24 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,439 bunch of firefighters, and you're going to say, you know what, 25 00:01:51,879 --> 00:01:57,000 we want to make sure that a firefighter is able to, 26 00:01:57,079 --> 00:02:01,359 you know, grab and drag a limit lifeless body out 27 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,920 of a burning house. And so we want to make 28 00:02:04,959 --> 00:02:09,280 sure that the firefighters are able to carry dead weight 29 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,719 in the amount of what the average American might weigh, 30 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,240 so something like, you know, three hundred pounds or so 31 00:02:17,479 --> 00:02:23,360 that's I don't actually know if it's three hundred, it's anyway. 32 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,240 So you want to make sure that the firefighters are 33 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,759 fit enough to be able to, you know, dead drag 34 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,919 a bunch of weight. So you set a rule, you 35 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,319 set up a policy, a requirement, a standard that says 36 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,400 you have to be able to lift this amount of 37 00:02:37,479 --> 00:02:42,400 dead weight two hundred and fifty pounds. And when you 38 00:02:42,439 --> 00:02:44,000 go in then and you get a bunch of people 39 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,840 to that are you know, taking the entrance exammed in 40 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,840 the firefighting academy. And if anybody can't lift that weight, 41 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:53,280 then you don't get to be a firefighter. That's the deal. 42 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,400 Come back when you've bulked up. 43 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: You know. 44 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: But then what you start seeing is that all of 45 00:03:00,719 --> 00:03:08,280 your firefighters are dudes. And that's a problem, you see, 46 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:13,879 because that would be disparate impact. You set a policy 47 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,400 up that said you got to be able to lift 48 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,879 two hundred fifty pounds, but that means virtually all of 49 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,960 the female candidates that apply cannot lift that amount of weight. 50 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,039 Because this may come as a shock, by the way, 51 00:03:28,039 --> 00:03:31,199 but men and women are different, and so a lot 52 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,879 of women cannot lift two hundred fifty pounds. A lot 53 00:03:33,879 --> 00:03:36,120 of men can't lift it either. That's the point though, 54 00:03:36,439 --> 00:03:39,960 right You set the standard for what you are expecting 55 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,719 and what you need for that particular job. So if 56 00:03:42,719 --> 00:03:45,240 you can't lift to fifty, then you don't get to 57 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:51,360 be a firefighter. But if you've got first person syndrome 58 00:03:51,759 --> 00:03:54,520 and you think everything around the world should be, you know, 59 00:03:54,879 --> 00:03:57,479 tailored to your experience, and you really want to be 60 00:03:57,479 --> 00:03:59,680 a firefighter, but you can't lift two hundred fifty pounds, 61 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,199 and you have happen to be a female, And you 62 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,960 can then look at the recruitment classes going back a decade, 63 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,479 twenty years, thirty years, whatever, and oh, look at this, 64 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,879 there have been no women or only one woman could 65 00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:16,000 ever become a firefighter. That is a disparate impact on 66 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:23,560 women than men. Therefore, that is de facto proof of discrimination. 67 00:04:24,759 --> 00:04:29,759 And now you have a cause to sue disparate impact. 68 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:42,279 This is everywhere, It's everywhere. I have it here. Well, 69 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:46,439 let me do this. It's a very lengthy executive order. 70 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,399 I'll just read this part of it. A bedrock principle 71 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:53,439 of the United States is that all citizens are treated 72 00:04:53,439 --> 00:04:57,920 equally under the law. This principle guarantees equality of opportunity, 73 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,480 not equal outcomes. It promises that people are treated as individuals, 74 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:06,399 not components of a particular race or group. It encourages 75 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,519 meritocracy and a colorblind society, not race based or sex 76 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:15,399 based favoritism. Adherence to this principle is essential to creating opportunity, 77 00:05:15,639 --> 00:05:19,600 encouraging achievement, and sustaining the American dream. But a pernicious 78 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:25,279 movement endangers this foundational principle, seeking to transform America's promise 79 00:05:25,319 --> 00:05:30,079 of equal opportunity into a divisive pursuit of results preordained 80 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:36,360 by irrelevant, immutable characteristics, regardless of individual strengths, effort or achievement. 81 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,839 A key tool of this movement is disparate impact liability, 82 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:47,079 which holds that a near insurmountable presumption of unlawful discrimination 83 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:53,439 exists where there are any differences in outcomes in certain 84 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,720 circumstances among different races, sexes, or similar groups, even if, 85 00:05:58,439 --> 00:06:02,879 even if there is no facially discriminatory policy or practice 86 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:08,480 or discriminatory intent involved, and even if everyone has an 87 00:06:08,519 --> 00:06:13,439 equal opportunity to succeed. Right, if you can lift the 88 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,839 two hundred and fifty pounds you get in, you could 89 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:23,399 be a firefighter. If you cannot, then you don't. And 90 00:06:23,439 --> 00:06:27,240 the intent doesn't matter, even if, as I just outlined 91 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,839 in that example, even if the people that created the 92 00:06:30,879 --> 00:06:34,759 standard never made any mention of we want to make 93 00:06:34,759 --> 00:06:37,600 sure no women get to be firemen, you know, even 94 00:06:37,639 --> 00:06:41,240 if they were just like, hey, average American weight is 95 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,360 two fifty, we should make sure people can lift two fifty. Oh, 96 00:06:44,439 --> 00:06:46,399 I like that. That's a good standard. Put that in, 97 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:49,879 and it's a very logical kind of a standard to apply. 98 00:06:52,319 --> 00:06:55,240 The intent doesn't matter. The fact that they were not 99 00:06:55,439 --> 00:07:00,240 acting in some sexist, misogynistic way doesn't matter. There's no 100 00:07:00,319 --> 00:07:03,000 evidence of it doesn't matter. All that matters is the 101 00:07:03,079 --> 00:07:07,399 disparate impact. By the way, this was at play in 102 00:07:07,439 --> 00:07:12,600 the redistricting lawsuits and litigation in North Carolina, because even 103 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:17,279 when the North Carolina lawmakers, when they drew their congressional maps, 104 00:07:18,199 --> 00:07:22,040 even though they never said anything about race, they did 105 00:07:22,079 --> 00:07:26,639 it based on partisan affiliation, the Democrats on the Supreme 106 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,439 Court still said disparate impact. Basically, well, the impact of 107 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:36,600 the outcome is still it's still, you know, racially identifiable 108 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,920 congressional districts. She got too many black people there, too 109 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,160 many white people there. Well, how much is too much? 110 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:42,639 I don't know, but I'll know when I see it. 111 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:49,720 And so they threw out the maps disparate impact. And 112 00:07:49,759 --> 00:07:52,000 so Trump's executive order on this let me go to 113 00:07:52,279 --> 00:07:55,319 hang on. Let me go to Alison Sohman. She's a 114 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,000 senior legal fellow at the Pacific the organization called Pacific Legal. 115 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,040 She says, there are two types of federal civil rights laws. 116 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:11,519 One is disparate treatment, which is a prohibition against actual discrimination. 117 00:08:12,199 --> 00:08:16,600 Right when you actually say, like, oh, I don't want 118 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:20,000 to hire that woman as a firefighter because I don't 119 00:08:20,079 --> 00:08:23,319 like women like that would be disparate treatment, and that's 120 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,680 more difficult to prove. Disparate impact prohibits practices that have 121 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,519 an adverse effect and are not justified by business necessity. 122 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,159 The problem is that virtually all employment or housing or 123 00:08:36,279 --> 00:08:40,840 educational practices have an adverse effect on some group covered 124 00:08:40,879 --> 00:08:45,120 by civil rights law. Right. This also has a connection 125 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:51,360 to the affirmative action cases Harvard UNC where they were 126 00:08:51,399 --> 00:08:57,720 Harvard's turning away Asian applicants at far greater rates in 127 00:08:57,799 --> 00:09:02,759 order to achieve racial quotas, and they got smacked down 128 00:09:02,799 --> 00:09:08,639 for that. Harvard Nuancy smacked down for that because if 129 00:09:08,639 --> 00:09:14,360 they are trying to apply a disparate impact analysis to 130 00:09:14,639 --> 00:09:18,200 their admissions policy, and you just took everybody that had 131 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:24,679 the highest SAT scores, the Asian applicants would be like 132 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:30,320 almost one hundred percent of the incoming freshman class. And 133 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,519 so they're like, well, we can't have that. So we're 134 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:36,480 going to say no to a whole bunch of Asian 135 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,720 applicants even though they are more qualified by our standards. 136 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:42,600 We'll create different standards then, so we have this outcome 137 00:09:42,639 --> 00:09:47,240 that looks balanced and that'll keep the FEDS off our backs. 138 00:09:48,799 --> 00:09:52,440 See what I mean, this is so corrupting. 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Located in mint Hill, just 159 00:11:04,759 --> 00:11:07,840 off four eighty five mail orders are accepted to get 160 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:12,080 all the details that create a video. Dot Com John Sexton, 161 00:11:12,159 --> 00:11:14,639 writing at hot air dot com, one of my favorite sites. 162 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:20,240 Trump's latest executive order takes on disparate impact theory. The 163 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:25,519 order requires several actions. The order revokes presidential actions that 164 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:30,679 approved of disparate impact liability and sets in motion broader reform. 165 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,919 It directs all agencies to de prioritize enforcement of statutes 166 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,360 and regulations that include disparate impact liability. So, in other words, 167 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,480 he can't wipe this off the books, right, but he 168 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:45,279 can say we're not going to focus on this, We're 169 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,200 not going to do anything about it. The order instructs 170 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,799 the Attorney General to repeal or amend all Title six 171 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:59,559 regulations that contemplate disparate impact liability, and it directs the 172 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:05,399 administ to assess all pending investigations, lawsuits, and consent judgments 173 00:12:05,639 --> 00:12:09,080 that rely on the theory of disparate impact liability and 174 00:12:09,159 --> 00:12:14,360 take appropriate action. Now Over at the City Journal, Heather MacDonald, 175 00:12:15,159 --> 00:12:18,720 she writes that this theory holds that if a neutral, 176 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,639 color blind standard of achievement or behavior has a disproportionately 177 00:12:23,759 --> 00:12:29,559 negative effect on underrepresented minorities, It violates civil rights laws. 178 00:12:30,519 --> 00:12:35,840 It has been used to invalidate literacy standards, math standards 179 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:40,519 for police officers and firemen, cognitive skills and basic knowledge 180 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,679 tests for teachers, the use of SATs and college admissions, 181 00:12:45,159 --> 00:12:49,200 the use of grades for medical licensing exams. Credit based 182 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:55,080 mortgage lending. Think about that, Like, you can't look at 183 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,360 a credit score if you want to lend somebody. What's 184 00:12:59,399 --> 00:13:01,519 the average price of a home now? Seven billion dollars 185 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,440 or something like, you can't look at their credit score. 186 00:13:04,879 --> 00:13:11,120 The ability of sorry, the ability to discipline insubordinate students. Yeah, 187 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:17,840 this is a thing, by the way, the order, Yeah, 188 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,279 here it is. The second executive order announced today deals 189 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,759 with disparate impact in school discipline, an area in which 190 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:27,759 disparate impact enforcement by the Department of Education had a 191 00:13:27,799 --> 00:13:32,919 particularly harmful impact on students, teachers, and schools. The executive 192 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,720 order tells the Department of Education to change course and 193 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:43,840 stop pushing racial quotas in student discipline. In other words, 194 00:13:44,279 --> 00:13:47,399 you set a standard you can't beat up another kid 195 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,960 in school, right, seems like a pretty good standard. No 196 00:13:51,279 --> 00:13:54,799 beating up your fellow classmates. Okay, Well, then when and 197 00:13:54,879 --> 00:13:56,759 if you beat up your fellow classmate, You're going to 198 00:13:56,799 --> 00:14:01,600 get suspended. Okay. Well, then after a year, two years, whatever, 199 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:06,159 of the policy being implemented, you start seeing that, say, 200 00:14:06,879 --> 00:14:11,240 sixty percent of the suspensions for beating up other students, 201 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:17,279 sixty percent of those suspensions are black kids. And this 202 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,879 has been This is what the school discipline issue is about. 203 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,679 The disparate impact is that more black students are suspended 204 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,120 when compared to their population in the school. And so 205 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:41,159 disparate impact theory says, well, that's proof of discriminatory policies. 206 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,279 Even if the intent is to, you know, not have 207 00:14:45,399 --> 00:14:49,799 kids beating up their classmates. The disparate impact is that 208 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,240 we're suspending too many kids of a certain race. Therefore, 209 00:14:53,879 --> 00:14:58,120 don't suspend as many kids of that race, or start 210 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:03,159 suspending more kids of a different race, even if they 211 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,759 maybe haven't been doing the behavior that we don't want 212 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:10,519 they Okay, maybe they didn't beat up somebody, but maybe 213 00:15:10,559 --> 00:15:12,480 they did something else. We'll suspend them for that so 214 00:15:12,519 --> 00:15:16,080 we can boost up those racial quotas. See what I mean, 215 00:15:16,679 --> 00:15:23,039 it gets so twisted. What else? Criminal background checks for 216 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:28,360 employees and renters. McDonald goes on to say it has 217 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:32,000 been used to eliminate prosecution for a large range of crimes, 218 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:37,759 including shoplifting, turnstile jumping, and resisting arrest, to end police 219 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:42,639 tactics such as proactive stops like stop and frisk, stop, 220 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,759 question and risk, those types of things. That's why they 221 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,960 unwound those tactics, and they've used it to purge safety 222 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,200 technologies like shot spotter and speeding cameras from police departments. 223 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,320 In none of those cases has it ever been demonstrated 224 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:05,600 that the disfavored standard was implemented in order to exclude anybody, 225 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:11,559 whether it's blacks, minorities, women, dudes, whatever. There was never 226 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,440 any proof that it was targeting people. Oh but we 227 00:16:14,559 --> 00:16:16,759 know that's what they were doing. That's essentially what this 228 00:16:17,159 --> 00:16:20,879 disparate impact theory does. It's like, well, you never said 229 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,360 that's who you were targeting, but I know, I know 230 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,039 that's who you were targeting. The genius, even if it's 231 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:32,840 a diabolical one, The genius of disparate impact theory was 232 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,519 that it obviated any need to show discriminatory intent on 233 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,600 the part of a targeted employer or institution. See discrimination 234 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,000 was simply inferred by the effect of the color blind standard. 235 00:16:46,559 --> 00:16:49,720 If you set up a color blind standard, one based 236 00:16:49,759 --> 00:16:54,320 only on merit. Right, you want to reward the thing 237 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,440 that you are seeking. You want to reward people for 238 00:16:58,039 --> 00:17:01,480 an attribute or behavior or perform rmans that you are seeking. 239 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:04,480 I want to make sure the firefighter can carry two 240 00:17:04,519 --> 00:17:06,960 hundred and fifty pounds. You can carry two hundred and 241 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,319 fifty pounds. You pass merrit, you have the credential I'm 242 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:17,039 looking for. That should be enough. But no disparate impact, says, well, 243 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:23,440 not enough women pass your standard, therefore that's a discriminatory standard. Naturally, 244 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,519 the left sees this very differently. Here's a great idea. 245 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,440 How about making an escape to a really special and 246 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,640 secluded getaway in western North Carolina. 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Call or text eight two 264 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,000 eight three six seven seventy sixty eight or check out 265 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:37,799 all there is to offer at Cabins Offashville dot com 266 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,319 and make memories that'll last a lifetime. Obviously, the left 267 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:50,440 sees the disparent impact theory differently. They say it reflects 268 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:56,240 the reality that racism in America often functions structurally, not 269 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:03,920 just on an individual basis. Right, and um, yeah, here 270 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:08,880 it is Historically, disparate impact has been indispensable in cases 271 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:13,480 where intent was difficult or impossible to prove. In the 272 00:19:13,519 --> 00:19:17,759 Supreme Court ruling Griggs versus Duke Power Company in nineteen 273 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:21,279 seventy one, for example, the Supreme Court held that an 274 00:19:21,279 --> 00:19:27,599 employer's requirement of a high school diploma wasn't explicitly racist, 275 00:19:28,279 --> 00:19:34,319 but it disproportionately excluded black applicants and was not related 276 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:39,319 to job performance. So apparently, in nineteen seventy one, Duke 277 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:47,119 Power required a high school diploma, and that's racist. This 278 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,759 ruling opened a path to address indirect forms of discrimination 279 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:55,240 that were and still are pervasive. Okay, that's the defense 280 00:19:55,599 --> 00:20:02,240 of the disparate impact theory. But Heather MacDonald essentially argues 281 00:20:02,319 --> 00:20:08,279 that that case, the Griggs Duke Power Company case, was 282 00:20:09,519 --> 00:20:15,920 ruled in error, and Trump is restoring the pre nineteen 283 00:20:16,039 --> 00:20:19,599 seventy one understanding of the Civil Rights Act because the 284 00:20:19,759 --> 00:20:23,640 Griggs Duke Power case was nineteen seventy one, She writes, 285 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:28,319 it was disparate impact theory itself that constituted a radical 286 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,720 departure from the premises of the Civil Rights Act of 287 00:20:31,799 --> 00:20:36,839 nineteen sixty four. President Donald Trump merely restores the nineteen 288 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:42,359 sixty four law to its original understanding that pioneering legislation 289 00:20:42,839 --> 00:20:49,720 banned intentional discrimination, only disparate impact theory was a judicial 290 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:54,240 amendment that was made six years later in response to 291 00:20:54,319 --> 00:20:58,640 how even in nineteen seventy one, finding invidious intentional discrimination 292 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:04,680 was becoming too difficult to satisfy the advocates. See, people 293 00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:12,680 wanted to be able to go after institutions, organizations, companies, individuals. 294 00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:17,160 They wanted to keep going after their targets for racism, 295 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:19,680 but they couldn't prove it. And so they're like, Okay, 296 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,240 well we can't prove it, but we know that's what 297 00:21:21,279 --> 00:21:26,200 they're thinking, because look at the outcome. Surely the only 298 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,599 reason duke energy or Duke power at the time. Surely 299 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:34,559 the only reason Duke would require a high school diploma 300 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,279 is to keep black people from asking for a job 301 00:21:38,319 --> 00:21:41,599 there so they don't have to hire black people. And 302 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,200 we can't prove that, but we can just look at 303 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,119 who has high school diplomas and say, well, the only 304 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,079 reason you would do the high school diploma standard is 305 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:53,119 in order to affect the outcome of the hiring process. 306 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,640 All right, let me go over to Brett. Hello, Brett, 307 00:21:58,680 --> 00:21:59,440 welcome to the show. 308 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 2: Hey, how you doing, Pete? 309 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,759 Speaker 1: I'm doing all right there, you A I'm all right. 310 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: I agree with you about the high school diploma. 311 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 3: Man. 312 00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:09,079 Speaker 2: I'm a black guy and I have a high school diploma, 313 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,319 and I think it's really imperative that you have a 314 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,559 high school diploma because nowadays and near fuch, you're going 315 00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:16,119 to have to have a hat to diploma to work 316 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,279 at Old Jangles, McDonald's anywhere. 317 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:22,079 Speaker 1: Man. So wait, you hang on, Brett, You really think 318 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:24,079 that you're going to need a high school diploma to 319 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,960 work in fast food? 320 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 3: Yes? 321 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 2: Man, get to that point, man. 322 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,079 Speaker 1: I mean, well, I want to get to that point, because. 323 00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:34,839 Speaker 2: The high school diploma is really imperative. You've got to. 324 00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:39,079 Speaker 1: I worked in fast food. Have you ever worked in 325 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:40,559 fast food restaurants. 326 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,759 Speaker 2: When I was in school? But I was in school. 327 00:22:43,759 --> 00:22:45,119 I didn't have a diploma. 328 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: Then, right, right, So you're but by your standard if 329 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,559 you think that everyone's going to need a diploma to 330 00:22:49,559 --> 00:22:52,440 work in these restaurants, like, I don't know why, why 331 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:54,559 so what? But why do you think that's going to 332 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:55,279 be the case. 333 00:22:56,599 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 2: I mean it might, but high school diploma is imperative, man. 334 00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: You need I agree with that. I mean I did. Look, 335 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,920 I completely one hundred percent agree that people should graduate 336 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,000 high school, get their diploma. They're going to be much 337 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,279 better off if they have a high school to play, 338 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,039 Absolutely exactly right. I just don't think that the fast 339 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:16,119 food or any any restaurant really is going to require 340 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,799 that because honestly, there's a lot of work in the restaurant, 341 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,039 in the restaurant industry that you can do that you 342 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,960 don't need a high school diploma to do. 343 00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: Okay, I understand that. I understand that it makes sense. 344 00:23:28,039 --> 00:23:28,799 You makes sense, but. 345 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: It doesn't limit it discriminate. 346 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it limits you from a lot of things. I 347 00:23:33,599 --> 00:23:36,160 think it's discrimination because you don't have a high school diploma. 348 00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. 349 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,799 Speaker 2: I mean some white guys don't have a high school diploma. 350 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know a lot of them. 351 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:44,039 Speaker 2: But the fact but the fact of the matter is, 352 00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:46,440 like I can see where they're coming from, like two 353 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,799 parts of it, because if you're black, you don't have 354 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:50,599 a high school diploma, they're not going to hire you. 355 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,160 But they have a high school diploma, they might give 356 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:53,720 you a chance. 357 00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: See and therein that So that's at the heart of 358 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,839 the disparate impact period is that you're right, is that 359 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,640 you're assuming the motive and intention. 360 00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:09,079 Speaker 2: But I'm really not assuming because it's to happen before. 361 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,440 I mean, I don't. I mean, Pete, I don't want 362 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,680 to argue with you, man, I know you argue with 363 00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:14,519 everybody else. I'm not arguing with you, man. 364 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: I'm just discussing with you. We're just having a discussion. 365 00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's real talk. Because it happens. It happens. 366 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: Look, Brett, I have no doubt it does happen. I 367 00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:26,119 have also no doubt that. I have no doubt that 368 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:31,279 it happens against ugly people too, right. I mean if 369 00:24:31,319 --> 00:24:34,960 I'm a restaurant owner and two people walk in and 370 00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:40,000 they're both equally qualified, and one is really attractive and 371 00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:42,200 one is really ugly, and I got to pick a 372 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,279 server to send out to the to the crowd, what 373 00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:46,559 do you think I m? Who do you think I might? 374 00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 2: Pet I get it. That's like, that's like that's like 375 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,640 a skinny person a fat person, right. 376 00:24:51,519 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, people have all sorts of prejudices in their minds. Absolutely, 377 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,359 How do you get at that? How do you like? How? 378 00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:02,400 Because it's one point. Now what we're going to uh, 379 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,680 we're gonna uh what do the hiring for them? 380 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:06,079 Speaker 2: Is that? 381 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,839 Speaker 1: The answer that and we're gonna have quotas for for 382 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,400 fat people with thin people, black white, Hispanic like every 383 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,599 other like that's and that's where this goes though, That's 384 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,880 what I mean, unless you've got somebody like, all right, look, 385 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000 you come in I'm the manager, right, you come in 386 00:25:20,039 --> 00:25:22,799 for a job, and I don't hire you, but your 387 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:25,880 buddy who is white. I hire your buddy. And then 388 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,119 you see on like my Facebook posts that I'm tweeting 389 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,160 all sorts of or I'm posting all sorts of stuff 390 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,720 about how you know black people can't be good restaurant 391 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,680 workers or something. Now, you would have a case right now, 392 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,720 you could say I was not given the job, and 393 00:25:40,759 --> 00:25:44,319 this is proof that you know, Pete was prejudiced against me, 394 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,559 was discriminating against me for this reason. But if you 395 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:52,359 don't have that information, that evidence, how do you go 396 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,319 about proving it? Right? 397 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 2: And my thing is, and my thing is, I've never 398 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,440 had that problem as a and I have a nice 399 00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:01,319 I have a good job. I've never had that problem 400 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,599 because because I know how to I guess, articulate myself 401 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,799 to talk, right, yeah, I know how to present myself. 402 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,519 It's all about a hustle too. 403 00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, you know what I'm saying. 404 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,079 Speaker 2: I don't I mean, like, I don't care I be fascinating. Whatever. 405 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,079 If you can, if you can talk your way in, 406 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:18,799 you can do it. O. 407 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: That's it, exactly right. 408 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,559 Speaker 2: You're only great at charisma. 409 00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: See here's the thing, Brett. You do not sound like 410 00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:30,759 somebody who self limits himself because of a victim mentality. 411 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:35,039 You don't sound like that, right, and no, right, exactly like, Well, 412 00:26:35,079 --> 00:26:37,000 there are a lot of people in our society that 413 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,200 that do, of all races and genders and everything. It's 414 00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:43,119 this because it's a real pessimism is sort of a 415 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,519 default setting for a lot of people, I would say 416 00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:49,359 most people, right. And when people start thinking of themselves 417 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,559 as the victim of society or institutions or other people 418 00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:55,799 and they don't have any evidence of it, they get 419 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,680 locked into this way of thinking that I didn't succeed, 420 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,759 not because I wasn't good enough, but I didn't succeed 421 00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:05,039 because somebody blocked me from success. And one of them 422 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:05,920 I've never thought. 423 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 2: I've never thought like that. 424 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:09,079 Speaker 1: I know, Brett, But a lot of people do. And 425 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,319 that's the thing, Like a lot of people do, and 426 00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:15,039 and they self limit, right, they they can't be successful 427 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:16,599 because of it. The fact that you told me what 428 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,079 you told me tells me you are not one of 429 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,480 those people. So how do we get more people to 430 00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:24,480 not see themselves as a victim and more people to 431 00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:25,039 think like you? 432 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:30,039 Speaker 2: And plus I was raised by I guess older people. 433 00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:34,480 My grandmother didn't pick cotton. They was Jim crow ever 434 00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:37,960 and all this, you know. And they told me situations, 435 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,799 but had never deterred me because they always told me 436 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,359 that you're better. If that makes any sense, Yeah. 437 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:48,279 Speaker 1: No, right, they said, what is that? What is that? Message? 438 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,880 Is that if you work hard, you play by the rules, 439 00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:54,720 you will succeed. There's nothing that's going to limit you. 440 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,480 And and you'd be amazed how few people ever get 441 00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:00,960 that kind of message or encouragement. 442 00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 2: But but but it's it's still I mean, it's still 443 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,119 out here, though you've got to recognize it. 444 00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:09,279 Speaker 1: Of course you'll look, you'll never you will never be 445 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,400 able to rid every human heart of bigotry, hatred, and prejudice. 446 00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 2: It's, oh, you can't, you can't. 447 00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: It's impossible, right, And so that's why I think the 448 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,000 way that you counter this, uh, those people that have 449 00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:27,640 that hatred, the way you counter it is to instill 450 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,880 in people the message that your grandma instilled in you. 451 00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:34,119 And that I always preach to people as well, which is, 452 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,160 you are not the victim, and even if you are, 453 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,160 you can overcome any overcome right. 454 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 2: Hey, listen, And like I tell people, I can, I 455 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,559 can get along with the grand Wizard as long as 456 00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:46,240 he respects me. 457 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know, that's that's a bold claim. 458 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,359 Speaker 2: I don't know if honestly I can get along with 459 00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:55,319 a grand wizards long as he respects me. Yeah. 460 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,279 Speaker 1: Now I hear you and keeps his dues. 461 00:28:57,079 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 2: And his opinions to itself. Yeah, now I hear Well, man, 462 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,000 I'm forty seven, man, I'm born and raised in Charlotte. 463 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: Man, right on. Well, look, Brett, if you keep preaching 464 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,480 your message that made you successful, I think that's the 465 00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:11,559 path forward. I think that's the way we get to 466 00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:14,920 a better place where fewer people see themselves as victims 467 00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:18,880 and can no longer achieve, versus your message of you 468 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,359 can overcome and you can achieve. You just have to 469 00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:25,079 find another way. If you're being blocked by some person 470 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,200 with you know, hatred in their heart, you go, you 471 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:29,279 find another way to get you to get to your goal. 472 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,359 Speaker 2: You can't stop your hustle man. 473 00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: Exactly, Yeah, Brett, I appreciate it. Man, have a great weekend. Man, 474 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,519 all right, take it easy. 475 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,039 Speaker 2: All right. 476 00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: If you're listening to this show, you know I try 477 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,680 to keep up with all sorts of current events, and 478 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,799 I know you do too. And you've probably heard me 479 00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:46,039 say get your news from multiple sources. Why well, because 480 00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:48,759 it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've 481 00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:52,119 been so impressed with ground News. It's an app, and 482 00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:55,240 it's a website, and it combines news from around the 483 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,960 world in one place, so you can compare coverage and 484 00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:01,880 verify information. You can check it out check dot ground, 485 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,200 dot news, slash pete. 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Your subscription then not 495 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,440 only helps my podcast, but it also supports ground News 496 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:42,440 as they make the media landscape more transparent. See I'm 497 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,119 so glad Brett called because that is the perfect he is. 498 00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:51,599 What he was espousing is the antidote to this victim 499 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:57,480 mentality that has now become so widespread in our society 500 00:30:57,519 --> 00:31:00,559 at all levels. People thinking that the only reason they 501 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,559 couldn't achieve something is because somebody else stopped them from 502 00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:06,440 achieving it. Oh, they didn't give me the job, and 503 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,400 then you fill in a blank for whatever reason, and 504 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,119 that's just an internal reason that you came up with. 505 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,880 You have no idea unless that person said I'm not 506 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:20,119 hiring you because you are filling the blank. You don't know. 507 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,920 So what do you do when you don't get the job? 508 00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:26,880 Do you say, well, that stinks. I wish I got 509 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,240 the job, but I'm gonna now try for this other job. 510 00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:31,720 I'll make my own job. I'm gonna do this other 511 00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:36,759 thing whatever. You find a way around. The only person 512 00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:39,599 that can stop you from achieving your goal is you. 513 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:46,519 But so many people they give up. They just give up. 514 00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:50,359 They don't believe in themselves because it's easier not to 515 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,759 believe in yourself. Let me go over and get John 516 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,839 on the program. Hello, John Good what's going on. 517 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:04,039 Speaker 5: In your last conversation, you were saying that maybe a 518 00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,759 high school diploma really isn't so important for medium work 519 00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:09,640 such as fast food, and they said and the other thing. 520 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,000 But as soon as you were bringing it up, it 521 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:12,839 occurred to me that. 522 00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 4: There might be other reasons why somebody might. 523 00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:19,039 Speaker 5: Use the possession of a high school diploma as some 524 00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:20,119 kind of metric. 525 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,599 Speaker 4: Because well, beyond the intellectual I mean, you have to 526 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,480 think about it. You know, we in this country, we 527 00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:29,240 provide a free education all the way to the twelfth grade. 528 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 5: And if somebody did not avail themselves of something that's free, 529 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:35,640 you have to ask yourself, you know, what is the 530 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:36,839 motivation level. 531 00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 2: Of this person? 532 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,519 Speaker 4: Sure, so maybe maybe the perspective employer would use that 533 00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:44,880 as a litmus for can this person finish what they started? 534 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I don't find that to be in conflict though 535 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,079 with what I with what I said, because Brett had 536 00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:55,200 said he thought that fast food jobs would require high 537 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,920 school diplomas, and I said, I don't. I don't know 538 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,480 if that would be true. I disagree because I've worked 539 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,839 in many restaurants in my life, and I did so 540 00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:08,039 before I had a high school diploma. So I don't 541 00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:10,240 know if they would ever enact that as a requirement. 542 00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:13,400 Some might, I don't know, some might if they wanted to, 543 00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:17,359 you know, attach that to their applications for the reason 544 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,079 you articulated. Sure they could, but it would also then 545 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,640 screen out a lot of people that they, you know, 546 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,279 might otherwise need to fill their ranks to do tasks 547 00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:31,000 that do not actually require a high school diploma. If 548 00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:35,000 I can get somebody trained up on the fry station 549 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,079 and they're basically making French fries for eight hours a day, right, 550 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,960 and that didn't take a lot of time for me 551 00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:44,480 to train them. And if they're going to be gone 552 00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:46,920 in six months because they don't they have a problem 553 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,559 finishing what they start, then that may be a cost 554 00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:51,960 of doing business for me. And that makes sense. It 555 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,079 doesn't matter if they have high school diploma, because I 556 00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:57,960 can throw somebody else on the fry station, right. So 557 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,599 that's all I was saying. Yeah, I mean some jobs 558 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,680 that you don't need like a college diploma for that 559 00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:06,200 someone you might not need you might not need a 560 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,320 high school diploma for. And if a business needs people 561 00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:12,599 more than they want that standard that you outlined, then 562 00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:14,800 they'll then they won't put that as a requirement, but 563 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,719 that'll be up to the businesses to do. Now that 564 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,199 being said, people should finish high school. Absolutely, it'll keep 565 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:26,400 you out of poverty. Yeah, thanks John. Yeah, it's it's 566 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,880 one of the it's one of the key components to 567 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,119 stay out of poverty or get out of poverty. Finish 568 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:38,599 high school, have a job, any job, and don't get 569 00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:43,079 pregnant before you get married, after you have your high 570 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:46,760 school diploma. You do those three things and it's like 571 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:53,039 single digit percentage chances that you'll be in poverty. All right, 572 00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:55,599 let me talk with Steve. Hello, Steve, Welcome to the show. 573 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 3: Thanks Pete, thanks for taking the call. 574 00:34:58,760 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: Sir. 575 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 3: I'm involved with something I want you to be aware of. 576 00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:09,239 It's called Ambassadors of Compassion, and it's all about teaching 577 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,199 kids in high school the skills they need to deal 578 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,840 with whatever life throws at them. And it's having a 579 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,840 major impact and keeping kids in high school and keeping 580 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:21,639 them out of jail. 581 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:28,559 Speaker 1: Frankly, Ambassadors of Compassion, that's correct. Where are you guys operating? 582 00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:35,559 Speaker 3: Well, the primary location is in southern California, but they've 583 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,079 done over one hundred thousand kids nationwide and the changes 584 00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:43,639 in the behavior of the kids is documented and remarkable. 585 00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:47,000 It's been looked at by pros who investigate things like 586 00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:49,119 this and said it's the best thing they've ever seen. 587 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,519 I have volunteered to bring it to Charlotte. I'm a 588 00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:55,679 retired guy. I've been doing it for about two years. 589 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:01,679 We are now getting traction at CMS and UH. I 590 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,320 just want people to know there's a real program out 591 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,639 there that that it's an eight week program takes kids 592 00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:13,239 through through uh actually getting past the pain. Most of 593 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,559 these kids are in a lot of pain. 594 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: What is the Yeah, absolutely, I agree with that. The 595 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,800 what is this? The is this a program? I'm trying 596 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,800 to remember I went years ago to a program that 597 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,960 seems very similar. I'm trying to remember. It's like the 598 00:36:26,199 --> 00:36:29,440 it was like the son of a famous guy who 599 00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:34,199 started this program. It's not the leadership something gosh, I'm trying. 600 00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 3: To buy, but it was this is the son of 601 00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:38,039 a famous guy who started this. 602 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: Okay, well who was it you heard of? 603 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,119 Speaker 3: It's Dave Hannah is the famous guy. The son is 604 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,079 Eric Hanna. Dave Hannah started athletes and Action in the 605 00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:51,880 mid sixties. UH, and to get this kind of training 606 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,559 out to the world and and he's been you know, 607 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,280 it's hugely successful. 608 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: Gotcha. All right, Ambassadors of Compassion. Thanks Steve, I appreciate it, 609 00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:03,239 and good luck to you and your work Ambassadors of Compassion. 610 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,639 I'm trying to remember there was that might have been it, 611 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,920 or maybe it's another one, but I went to one 612 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,000 of the kickoffs. I think it may have been up 613 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,360 in Asheville though, and they were trying to get it 614 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,719 implemented in the schools and it's a voluntary program and 615 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,440 kids go through it and they, yeah, the behavioral differences 616 00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:27,039 and then the academic performance that follows is remarkable. All right, 617 00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:29,440 that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much 618 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,519 for listening. 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