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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cunningham, the great American of course. Tonight, Reds Baseball

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<v Speaker 1>kicks off about five forty with the torpedo Bat, and

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<v Speaker 1>Dela Cruz is at the forefront hitting a massive home

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<v Speaker 1>runs a seven RBI and also almost shit for the

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<v Speaker 1>cycle again last night with two home runs, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Red Legs beat up on the Rangers fourteen to three,

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<v Speaker 1>which means the Rangers I think kicked a field goal late.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's about it. The Reds are impregnable. Joanan you

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<v Speaker 1>and I now is the editor of The Inquiry, Burrow

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<v Speaker 1>Love and Burrow, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 1>And first of all, before we talk about the half

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<v Speaker 1>a cent stadium tax not nearly as sexy as the

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<v Speaker 1>torpedo bat, can you write a column in the Inquiry

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<v Speaker 1>about the torpedo bat and the impact that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>have on the Reds.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I'm going to write a column, but

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<v Speaker 2>we probably have about three torpedo bat stories in the

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<v Speaker 2>works already, in addition to the one we had after

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<v Speaker 2>last night's game. You know, we're on our high school

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<v Speaker 2>player is going to all of a sudden show up

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<v Speaker 2>with these things like this could be a this.

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<v Speaker 3>Could be an interesting time to be a baseball fan.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I played the game through xavior and all

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff, and I guess no one had thought for

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty years about taking some of the

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<v Speaker 1>weight and size of the wooden bat and move it

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<v Speaker 1>down three or four inches from the end to make

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<v Speaker 1>it look like a bowling pin and put the mass

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<v Speaker 1>where the ball hits the bat actually where it matters.

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<v Speaker 1>You hit one off the handle, off the end, nothing happens.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you take the sixty eight inches where the

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<v Speaker 1>action takes place and make that little more hefty number one,

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<v Speaker 1>it helps with foul tips, which means instead of missing

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<v Speaker 1>the pitch by sixteenth of an inch, you might foul

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<v Speaker 1>tip it stay at the plate. And secondly, the ball

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<v Speaker 1>goes further. And baseball, as you may know, is a

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<v Speaker 1>very old sport, going back to eighteen sixty nine. But

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<v Speaker 1>I would hope the guy that designed this thing, this physicist,

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<v Speaker 1>whoever he is associated with the Yankees, is making money

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<v Speaker 1>off the deal. And if you think it works, it works.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't think it doesn't work, it does. But

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<v Speaker 1>isn't this also, though, bad for rede pitching, because the

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<v Speaker 1>Reds are gonna have to pitch against it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's well, yeah, I mean it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the equalizer. But I just go back to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the late great Pete Rose. There was this great video

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<v Speaker 2>of him giving tips to kids on how the bat.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember because I watched it when I was

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<v Speaker 2>a kid and I was a little leaguer and we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have custom bats like the kids do today. The

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<v Speaker 2>coach brought this duffel bag and dumped it out, and

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<v Speaker 2>you picked the best one that wasn't cracked or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But he would talk about, you know, if they're pitching

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<v Speaker 2>you in, you want the fat part of the bat

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<v Speaker 2>to hit the ball. Step back. If they're pitching you outside,

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<v Speaker 2>step forward. So I don't understand it. Like I the

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<v Speaker 2>objective has always been to put the fat part of

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<v Speaker 2>the bat on the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, anyway, why it hasn't happened, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>Well all of us know very little because Baseball doesn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It took him about one hundred and sixty years and

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<v Speaker 1>figure that out. But I don't understand it. But if

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<v Speaker 1>it works, it works. Now, let's talk about a column.

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<v Speaker 1>You haven't the inquir you're the editor. If tax money

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<v Speaker 1>is in play. Taxpayers need to know who's behind the

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<v Speaker 1>arena push. We passed this levee in nineteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was a half a cent increase in perpetuity

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<v Speaker 1>to build and maintain two stadiums, the Great American Ballpark

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<v Speaker 1>I think named after me at least in my mind,

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<v Speaker 1>and also Paid Course Stadium. And suddenly there's entities in

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati that want to expand that to the Heritage Bank Center.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me what's going on with that, because once again

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about some serious money.

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<v Speaker 3>Serious money. Well, you said entities, and that's what's.

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<v Speaker 2>At the you know the gist of my column. So

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<v Speaker 2>a group came out called the Hambleton County Growth Alliance

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<v Speaker 2>and have pitched this idea that some of the sales

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<v Speaker 2>tax money that was, as you mentioned, passed by voters

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<v Speaker 2>in ninety six to fund the two stadiums that we

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy right now should be used to also fund a

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<v Speaker 2>brand new arena. There's a guy well known in political

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<v Speaker 2>circles named Jake and Kid who's the head of this alliance.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a lobbyist, a political consultant. He ran John Cranley's

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<v Speaker 2>campaign and I believe worked as his chief of staff.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's the director of this alliance. Uh, the question

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<v Speaker 2>is who's behind it, who started it, who's funding it?

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's the big question, and he won't say. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was beating up my reporters when we first did

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<v Speaker 2>this story. I was like, you guys got to find out.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, who's paying for this? Where's the money? Follow

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<v Speaker 2>the money? And he's not saying. And he doesn't really

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<v Speaker 2>have to say because the Hamlet of Gounty Growth Alliance

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<v Speaker 2>is a five oh one C four, which is different

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<v Speaker 2>than a C three in that they don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>disclose who their donors are. So that's the big question,

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<v Speaker 2>like who's behind it? Who is behind this initiative? To

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<v Speaker 2>use some of that sales tax money to build a

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<v Speaker 2>new arena is illegal?

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, i'd have to read the battle language

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<v Speaker 1>from some thirty years ago. But that is specifically limited

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<v Speaker 1>to baseball and football, or did it include this other arena.

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<v Speaker 2>It was specifically for a new stadium for the Reds

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<v Speaker 2>and a new stadium for the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 1>So how does Heritage Bank Arena come into this deal? Then?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this group funded a survey and what they would

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<v Speaker 2>like to do is eventually get this in front of voters.

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<v Speaker 2>I think because their survey said that. I think they

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<v Speaker 2>surveyed four hundred people and asked, how do you prioritize

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<v Speaker 2>the need, you know, for a new arena versus upgrades

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<v Speaker 2>for the two existing stadiums, and I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>sixty seven percent said, you know, we prioritize. We think

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<v Speaker 2>a new arena should be on the list ahead of now.

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<v Speaker 2>Again the survey, yeah, four hundred people. Yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know who you know. I'm not questioning the survey, but

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know who paid for the survey. Because

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<v Speaker 2>I've made the point of my column. I can go online.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoy a glass of bourbon every now and then,

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<v Speaker 2>and I can go online and find studies that say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a glass of bourbon a day, or drinking

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<v Speaker 2>bourbon and moderation is good for your health. Those are

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<v Speaker 2>also published by distilleries. So that's so, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's relevant, is the point I'm trying to make.

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<v Speaker 2>And even though it's a five oh one C four

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not legally obligated to disclose their donors, I

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<v Speaker 2>think if they're suggesting that the sales tax, which we

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<v Speaker 2>all pay, be used for an arena that they should

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<v Speaker 2>They shouldn't hide behind the five ole one C four.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm all about transparency.

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<v Speaker 3>That's you know.

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<v Speaker 2>As editor, they enquire. We fight for people's right to know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think this is pretty relevant.

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<v Speaker 1>I would think the Banks is behind it. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Mooring's a good man. I think Tracey is behind it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think those involved in the Banks would likely to

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm told by other entities in town, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>you're ware of this, that TQL and the Soccer franchise

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<v Speaker 1>would love to have that arena right next to them.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, you know that they've done their studies. Indicator

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<v Speaker 1>should be off the river and should be over there,

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<v Speaker 1>largely privately financed, and whoever pays for the band calls

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<v Speaker 1>the tune. And so whether it's one place or the other,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the final piece of downtown development with the Duke

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<v Speaker 1>Energy Center doing what it's doing and the renaissance of downtown. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we need an arena where you can bring in these acts.

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<v Speaker 1>But have you also heard the TQL Stadium and the

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<v Speaker 1>owners of the of the soccer franchise FC would love

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that's an intriguing part of this story

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of, you know, who is actually behind the

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<v Speaker 2>hamlet the ground County Growth Alliance, Because you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned our good friend Jim Morning, I call him the

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<v Speaker 2>mayor of the Banks, the proprietor for the Holy Grail.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he and other businesses in the Banks would

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<v Speaker 2>definitely advocate for a new arena in the current area

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<v Speaker 2>so that you have year round entertainment when you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals only have what eight home games and then

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<v Speaker 2>you know the baseball season runs in the in the

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<v Speaker 2>warm months. That having having a state of the art

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<v Speaker 2>arena possibly bringing in you know, we we lost out

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<v Speaker 2>to Indianapolis for the NCUBA basketball tournament.

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<v Speaker 3>He wanted to go.

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<v Speaker 2>See the Sweet sixteen. You were, you know, driving west

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<v Speaker 2>on seventy four. So there's all kinds of possibilities if

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<v Speaker 2>we have a state of the art arena. But yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the master plan for the development around TQL Stadium north

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<v Speaker 2>on the west end includes you know, residential other entertainment facilities,

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<v Speaker 2>and you could make an argument that that would be

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<v Speaker 2>a nice feather in the cap for everybody it's concerned

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<v Speaker 2>with FC Cincinnati, So interestingly, I asked Jake and Kate,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, so we won't say who they are. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you give me an idea of how what kind of

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<v Speaker 2>support you have? Is it twenty business leaders, is it

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<v Speaker 2>ten or is it one? And he said, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>in a position to say that. So I think and

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<v Speaker 2>this is just me, Now, this is just me. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that if it was a large group of business leaders,

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<v Speaker 2>he would have no problems saying that if it's one,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's if it's one person with deep pockets, then

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<v Speaker 2>he's less likely to say, you know that it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>a small group or it's one group. So that might

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<v Speaker 2>indicate it could be people who are concerned with all

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<v Speaker 2>the development around TQL Stadium.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's just me, that's just me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the big boys in town. Tracy Schwegman, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>She wants it down on the banks and once and again,

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<v Speaker 1>if Karl Linder and that group Megan et cetera want

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<v Speaker 1>to pay over half the price, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>next to the t QUL Stadium. But one thing you

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<v Speaker 1>said concerns me, and that is that the people may

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<v Speaker 1>have to vote on this if there's if this issue

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<v Speaker 1>gets to the ballot in Hamilton County about sales tax

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<v Speaker 1>increases for this or that that that dog won't hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>My example is a Kansas City Chiefs about a year

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<v Speaker 1>or two ago, they wanted to build a brand new

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<v Speaker 1>stadium and this is this is at the highlights of

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick Mahomes, et cetera. And it's like sixty percent said no.

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<v Speaker 2>After they won the Super Bowl, they went to voters

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<v Speaker 3>It's just a it's just a totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Different economy right now in terms of where we were

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five years ago and where we are now these

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<v Speaker 2>stadium developments, and this is where the Hamlin County Commission

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<v Speaker 2>I think, especially Lisa Reese is, you know, that's her position,

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<v Speaker 2>like we're not going to shoulder this, you know, pay

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<v Speaker 2>ninety seven or ninety four percent of the cost of

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<v Speaker 2>these renovations as they work on the lease agreements that

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<v Speaker 2>the team is going to have to come forward and

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<v Speaker 2>or the NFL and or other municipalities, because the Bengals

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<v Speaker 2>are a driver and an economic driver, not just for

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<v Speaker 2>Hamlin County, but you know the whole region. And so yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the last thing that Bengals would want

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<v Speaker 2>if he goes before the voters. No, we kind of

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<v Speaker 2>we kind of know where the voters.

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<v Speaker 3>Are right now.

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<v Speaker 1>That they're billionaires. Mike Brown, according to Forbes, is worth

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<v Speaker 1>about six billion dollars, and the owners of the Reds

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<v Speaker 1>are worth billions of dollars. And God blessed Karl Linder

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<v Speaker 1>and his family and Meg Whitman, they're worth billions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>So to go to the Tony Bender types of live

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I agree with you, Like I said, it's

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<v Speaker 2>are not pall around stadium now pay Corse Stadium has the.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the the.

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<v Speaker 2>Infamous reputation of being one of the worst stadium deals

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<v Speaker 2>know that's not going to happen again, And it's not

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<v Speaker 2>to your point, it's not happening anywhere in the country

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<v Speaker 2>right now. Private money needs to be raised and and

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, so it's it's an interesting thought twist in

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<v Speaker 2>the saga of what are we going to do with

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<v Speaker 2>sales tax should be used also to fund a new arena.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, so and which gets back to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I, and I made it clear, like my my

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<v Speaker 2>role as edited inquire, you know, I played straight down

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<v Speaker 2>be objective and balanced, and so, you know, I personally

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<v Speaker 2>think it's a great idea. We should figure out how

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<v Speaker 2>to come up with a new arena. But I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to get into the political debate about it. I

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<v Speaker 2>will stand up for the taxpayer's right to know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if somebody is suggesting that these tax dollars get used

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<v Speaker 2>it transparently so we can have, you know, the proper

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So that's where I sit.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, at the end of the day, if TQL with

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<v Speaker 1>the lenders and the whitman's and billionaires want to put

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<v Speaker 1>up half the money and on the banks, God bless them.

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<v Speaker 1>At Jim Mooring and Tracy Schwegman. They don't have an

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<v Speaker 1>extra five hundred million dollars sitting around. Someone's got to

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<v Speaker 1>I would imagine they would not mind having Heritage Bank

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<v Speaker 1>for their for their ballpark. I would imagine that's the case.

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<v Speaker 1>And but anyway, let's see what happens down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, when you have Jay kin Kid, who

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<v Speaker 1>I know him. He's a great political consultant. The reason

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<v Speaker 1>is at C four so he doesn't have to disclose.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the inquiry asked, by the way, who's paying

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<v Speaker 1>least Jeff Birding is upfront saying we want it, We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to want to put it there, and they're willing

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<v Speaker 1>to participate. I'm willing to bet on those who want

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<v Speaker 1>to put up money into the dealer supposed to those

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<v Speaker 1>who don't. And I know that Dreehouse and Doumas have

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<v Speaker 1>both said that this doesn't have to go before the voters,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're right that the half a cent increase nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety six does not have to go before the voters

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<v Speaker 1>when Reese says, you know what, we want to vote

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<v Speaker 1>on this thing, those other two are going to say no,

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<v Speaker 1>and then where are we?

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<v Speaker 3>That is a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's you know we, that's this whole that's

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<v Speaker 2>a this is already complicated enough. Yeah, so this is,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, this is adding another dimension. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>be interesting for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, we got to run. But once again, Burrow Love,

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<v Speaker 1>editor of the inquir thanks for coming on the Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Cunningham Show. Give my best to the best city hall

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<v Speaker 1>reporter ever. And you're losing a good one there. And

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<v Speaker 1>she's going to go work for the Prosecutor's office. But

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<v Speaker 1>always loved working with her over the years. And I

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<v Speaker 1>saw her the.

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<v Speaker 2>Other I was hoping that was a big April Fool's

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<v Speaker 2>Day joke, but it's not. Yes, Verry Coolidge has left

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<v Speaker 2>us to go work for Connie Pillach.

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<v Speaker 3>We're excited for her, though, sure, all right, very excited

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<v Speaker 3>for her. Burro Love, thank you very much, Thank you,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you. Bill.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's continue with more. One thing you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>do is let the tax bearers decide how to spend

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<v Speaker 1>their money. You don't want to do that because you

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<v Speaker 1>know what that's going to be. And maybe billionaires should

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<v Speaker 1>pay for their own plate pens. Of course, that's my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's continue with more Bill Cunningham. Should I do the

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<v Speaker 1>morning show starting on Monday? News Radio seven hundred WULW,