WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:05.040 You're listening to everything out there with your host Steve Stockton. 2 00:00:16.519 --> 00:00:21.760 Hello friends now. The legend of Bigfoot, also known as Sasquatch, 3 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:26.480 has captivated the imaginations of people around the world for centuries. 4 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:33.119 Described as a large, hairy, ape like creature inhabiting remote forests, 5 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:36.679 Bigfoot has become an enduring mystery and a subject of 6 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:43.399 intense speculation. Despite numerous reported sightings, footprints, and eyewitness accounts, 7 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:49.759 the existence of Bigfoot remains unproven. This episode will explore 8 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:55.960 the history, cultural significance, aledged evidence, and scientific perspectives surrounding 9 00:00:56.079 --> 00:01:01.479 the elusive creature known as Bigfoot. The origins of Bigfoot 10 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:04.560 can be traced back to the indigenous peoples of North America, 11 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:09.719 who for centuries have shared tales of large, wild, hairy 12 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:14.480 beings that inhabit the dense forests. Various Native American tribes 13 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:18.799 have different names and interpretations of this creature, emphasizing its 14 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:24.079 cultural significance. The term Sasquatch, for example, itself, is derived 15 00:01:24.079 --> 00:01:27.680 from the Halkomilem language spoken by indigenous peoples in the 16 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:33.200 Pacific Northwest. The first recorded encounters with a creature resembling 17 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:38.319 Bigfoot in mainstream Western culture occurred in the nineteenth century. 18 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:43.640 Early European settlers in North America began reporting strange encounters 19 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:47.719 with large, hairy creatures, and stories of such encounters spread 20 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:52.319 across the continent. These accounts laid the foundation for the 21 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:58.200 modern day legend of Bigfoot. Bigfoot has become deeply ingrained 22 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:02.680 in popular culture and sending its origins in Native American folklore. 23 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:07.359 The creature has inspired a plethora of books, movies, documentaries, 24 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:12.400 and television shows. From the famous Patterson Gimlin film shot 25 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:16.840 in nineteen sixty seven th reality TV series like Finding Bigfoot, 26 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:21.960 the legend of Bigfoot has permeated various forms of media, 27 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:27.240 making it a cultural icon. The allure of Bigfoot lies 28 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:30.960 in its mysterious nature and the sense of adventure associated 29 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:35.800 with a quest for an elusive, undiscovered creature. Bigfoot has 30 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:38.759 become a symbol of the untamed wilderness and the unknown, 31 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:44.599 tapping into humanity's primal fear and fascination with the wild. 32 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:48.919 One of the most cited pieces of evidence supporting the 33 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:52.479 existence of Bigfoot is the discovery of large human like 34 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:58.199 footprints in remote areas. These footprints, often measuring between fifteen 35 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:01.080 to twenty four inches in length have been found in 36 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:05.360 various locations around the world, with some instances dating back 37 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:09.520 over a century. While many of these prints can be 38 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:15.319 attributed to hoaxes or misidentifications of animal tracks, some remain unexplained, 39 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:22.159 fueling speculation about the creature's existence. Sightings of Bigfoot have 40 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:26.199 been reported across North America, with witnesses describing a creature 41 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:30.039 standing between seven to ten feet tall, covered in dark fur, 42 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:35.960 and possessing a distinctly ape like appearance. However, skeptics argue 43 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:39.120 that many of these sightings can be attributed to misidentifications 44 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:44.080 of known animals such as bears or large primates. In 45 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:48.919 addition to both footprints and sightings, witnesses have hearing mysterious 46 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:55.000 vocalizations in areas associated with bigfoot sightings. These alleged sounds 47 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:59.280 include house brunts and screams that are often described as 48 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:05.000 unlike any known animal. Researchers and enthusiastic alike claim that 49 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:10.599 these vocalizations provide further evidence of Bigfoot's existence, while critics 50 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:13.639 argue that they can be attributed to other animals or 51 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:19.120 even human activities. Despite the wealth of anecdotal evidence and 52 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:23.639 the passionate efforts of Bigfoot researchers. The scientific community remains 53 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:28.000 largely skeptical about the existence of Bigfoot. The lack of 54 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:32.360 conclusive physcal evidence, such as a body or skeletal remains, 55 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:37.639 has been a significant hurdle for those advocating for Bigfoot's reality. 56 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:42.839 Critics argue that many purported pieces of evidence, including footprints 57 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:48.680 and photographs, can be explained through natural process, hoaxes, or misinterpretations. 58 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:54.800 The scientific method demands verifiable, repeatable evidence, and until such 59 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:59.360 evidence is presented, mainstream science is unlikely to accept Bigfoot 60 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:05.279 a valid biological entity. One of the challenges in studying 61 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:09.199 Bigfoot scientifically is the lack of a clear hypothesis about 62 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:13.959 the creature's biology and behavior. Proponents of Bigfoot's existence often 63 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:17.519 struggle to provide a consistent and testable model for the 64 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:24.560 creature's physiology, habitat, and ecological role. Skeptics and researchers alike 65 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:29.160 have proposed various explanations for Bigfoot sightings and evidence. Some 66 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:33.240 suggest that witnesses may be encountering misidentified animals such as 67 00:05:33.279 --> 00:05:37.439 bears or large primates, as I stated earlier. Others argue 68 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:41.839 that hoaxes, whether intentional or unintentional, play a significant role 69 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:46.839 in perpetuating the myth of Bigfoot. Throughout history, there have 70 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:51.600 been numerous instances of individuals creating fake footprints, photographs, and 71 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:55.879 even elaborate hoaxes to attract attention or perpetuate the legend 72 00:05:55.920 --> 00:06:00.639 of Bigfoot. These hoaxes, combined with the limitations of eyewitness 73 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:04.680 testimony and the human tendency to perceive patterns in random stimuli, 74 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:09.399 contribute to the difficulty of separating fact from fiction in 75 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:14.800 the study of Bigfoot. While the debate over Bigfoot's existence continues, 76 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:18.120 the legend has had a tangible impact on the areas 77 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:23.399 associated with sightings. Bigfoot hotspots such as the Pacific Northwest 78 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:27.160 and parts of the Appalachian Mountains have become tourist attractions, 79 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:32.360 drawing enthusiasts and curious visitors alike. Local economies have capitalized 80 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:36.360 on the creature's mystique, with businesses selling Bigfoot themed merchandise 81 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:42.120 and offering guided tours in some cases. The legend of 82 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:46.319 Bigfoot has also played a role in conservation efforts. The 83 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:50.279 idea of an undiscovered large mammal roaming the wilderness has 84 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:53.759 led to increased interest in preserving the habitats where Bigfoot 85 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:58.160 is said to reside. Conservation organizations have used the creature's 86 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:01.680 legend to raise awareness about the importance of protecting these 87 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:08.040 ecosystems and the biodiversity they contain. The legend of Bigfoot 88 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:13.800 continues to captivate the public's imagination, blending folklore, mystery, and 89 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:18.480 the primal fear of the unknown. While countless sightings, footprints, 90 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:23.720 and vocalizations have been reported, the scientific community remains unconvinced, 91 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:29.000 demanding verifiable evidence before acknowledging the existence of such a creature. 92 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:35.399 Despite the skepticism, the cultural impact of Bigfoot persists, turning 93 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:38.600 the elusive creature into a symbol of the wilderness and 94 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:43.199 a source of fascination for generations to come. Whether Bigfoot 95 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:46.759 is a mythical creature born from folklore or an undiscovered 96 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:51.680 species waiting to be revealed, the legend endures, leaving the 97 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:56.959 world to wonder what secrets the dense forests might still conceal. 98 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:02.639 Another cryptid will be discussing tonight is the dog Man. 99 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:07.839 Now in the realm of cryptozoology, a field dedicated to 100 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:10.680 the study of creatures whose existence has not been proven 101 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:14.759 by mainstream science, the dog Man stands as a mysterious 102 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:18.759 and elusive figure described as a creature with the body 103 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:21.120 of a man and the head of a canine. The 104 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:24.920 dog Man has become the subject of numerous reports, sightings, 105 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:29.319 and speculative theories. In this episode will also delve into 106 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:33.159 the origins of the dog Man legend, its cultural significance, 107 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:38.960 the legend encounters, and the scientific perspectives surrounding this enigmatic creature. 108 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:44.159 Much like Bigfoot, the origins of the dog Man legend 109 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:48.039 can be traced back to American folklore, particularly in the Midwest, 110 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:51.639 where tales of encounters with a humanoid creature possessing K 111 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:56.240 nine features have circulated for decades. One of the earliest 112 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:59.279 and most well known incidents dates back to eighteen eighty 113 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:04.519 seven in Wexford County, Michigan. The incident involves two lumberjacks 114 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:07.080 who claimed to have encountered a creature with the body of 115 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:09.879 a man and the head of a dog, sparking the 116 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:14.279 beginning of the dog Man legend. These early accounts were 117 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:18.080 often shared through the oral tradition, contributing to the legends 118 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:23.039 evolution over time. In the nineteen eighties, the legend gained 119 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:26.840 wider recognition through the song the Legend by Steve Cook, 120 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:32.480 broadcast Automichian radio station. The song recounted the alleged events 121 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:36.000 in Wexford County and further fueled interest in the dog Man, 122 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:41.799 leading to an increase in reported sightings and encounters. Similar 123 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:45.600 to other cryptids like Bigfoot or the Lognoss Monster, the 124 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:49.159 dog Man has become ingrained in popular culture, inspiring a 125 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:53.440 range of creative expressions. The creature has appeared in various 126 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:58.279 forms of media, including literature, art, music, and television. The 127 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:03.000 dog Man's dual nature, combining humanoid and canine features, adds 128 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:06.559 an element of horror and fascination to its portrayal, making 129 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:09.840 it a popular subject in horror stories and urban legends. 130 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:14.120 The dog Man has also found a place in local folklore, 131 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:17.759 becoming a symbol of the unexplored and mysterious aspects of 132 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:22.399 the natural world. Communities with reported dog Man sightings often 133 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:28.000 embrace the legends as part of their cultural heritage, organizing events, festivals, 134 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:32.120 and even creating local businesses centered around the creature. The 135 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:37.120 legend of the dog Man has therefore become a cultural touchstone, 136 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:42.759 lending folklore with a modern fascination for the unknown. Reports 137 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:45.919 of dog Man encounters typically describe a creature standing upright 138 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:50.600 on two legs, possessing a muscular and humanoid body, but 139 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:55.639 with the distinctively canine head. Witnesses often mentioned sharp teeth, 140 00:10:56.120 --> 00:11:00.840 pointed ears, and glowing or reflective eyes. The size of 141 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:04.320 the creature is reported to vary, with some accounts describing 142 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:07.960 a relatively small creature, while others depict a towering figure 143 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:12.399 reaching heights of seven feet or more on The most 144 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:15.279 famous alleged encounters with the dog Man occurred in nineteen 145 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:21.000 sixty one in Paris, Michigan. The witness Robert Fortney claimed 146 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:23.399 of seen a creature resembling the dog Man while on 147 00:11:23.399 --> 00:11:27.240 a camping trip. Fortney reported that the creature circled his 148 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:31.759 campsite and emitted a guttural growl before disappearing into the darkness. 149 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:36.519 This account, along with others, has contributed to the mystique 150 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:39.240 surrounding the dog Man and has led to the creation 151 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:43.559 of a community of enthusiasts and researchers dedicated to investigating 152 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:49.200 the phenomenon. The scientific community largely dismisses the existence of 153 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:55.039 dog Man, attributing reported sightings to misidentifications, hoaxes, or simply 154 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:59.600 the influence of popular culture. Skeptics argue that eyewitness testimony 155 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:04.759 is in heir unreliable, often influenced by preconceived notions, fear, 156 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:10.720 or external factors. Additionally, the lack of physical evidence, such 157 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:15.840 as remains, DNA samples or clear photographs, poses a significant 158 00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:21.320 challenge to those advocating for the reality of the dog man. Cryptozoology, 159 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:24.519 the field that studies creatures like the dog man, is 160 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.519 often criticized for its reliance on anecnotal evidence and its 161 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:33.080 departure from the rigorous scientific method. The burden of proof 162 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:36.120 rests on those claiming the evidence of such creatures, and 163 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:41.000 until verifiable evidence is presented, mainstream science will remain skeptical. 164 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:47.399 Skeptics and researchers propose several explanations for reported dog man encounters. 165 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:52.240 One common suggestion is that witnesses may be encountering non animals, 166 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:56.919 so as large canids, wolves or coyvities, bears, or even 167 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:03.240 misidentified humans. The human tendency to perceive patterns and familiar shapes, 168 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:07.399 known as paradolia, could also contribute to the misinterpretation of 169 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:12.840 ordinary objects or animals as something more mysterious. Hoaxes are 170 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:16.840 another prevalent aspect of the dog Men phenomenon. The allure 171 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:21.200 of perpetuating a crypted legend, gaining attention, or simply having 172 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:24.039 a bit of fun has led some individuals to create 173 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:30.000 elaborate hoaxes, including stage photographs, fictional eyewitness accounts, and even 174 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:34.519 fabricated physical evidence. These hoaxes not only muddy the waters 175 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:39.159 for legitimate researchers, but also contribute to the skepticism surrounding 176 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:45.200 the dog Man. While the scientific community remains unconvinced, the 177 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:48.519 legend of the dog Men continues to thrive in popular culture, 178 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:54.399 manifesting in various forms of entertainment. Books, movies, documentaries, and 179 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:58.440 podcasts explore the myth, contributing to its perpetuation and the 180 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:03.960 ongoing fascination with Drifts. Communities associated with reported dog Man's 181 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:08.039 sightings have embraced the legend, incorporating it into local lore 182 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:13.320 and tourism. Vestivals, guided tours, and events centered around the 183 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:19.039 creature attract both enthusiasts and curious visitors, injecting economic vitality 184 00:14:19.240 --> 00:14:23.519 into these regions. The legend of dog Man stands as 185 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:26.919 a testament to humanities and during fascination with the mysterious 186 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:32.279 and unknown. Rooted in American folklore and perpetuated through the decades, 187 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:37.759 the dog Man has become a cultural icon, inspiring creativity, speculation, 188 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:42.559 and a sense of wonder. While the scientific community remains 189 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:47.679 skeptical and emphasizes the need for verifiable evidence, the legend persists, 190 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:53.440 leaving us to ponder the thin line between myth and reality, 191 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:56.799 whether the dog Man is a creature that eludes scientific 192 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:02.120 understanding or merely a product of humans imagination. Its impact 193 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:05.240 on culture and enduring a lord of the unknown continue 194 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:10.879 to shape our perception of the crypted world. Well again, 195 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:14.039 and welcome back to everything out there. Steve Stockton here 196 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:17.639 with you tonight. Joining me on the phone is Darryl Denton, 197 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:21.279 a friend of mine runs Bigfoot Believers and Other Creatures 198 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:23.799 group on Facebook. Daryl, how are you doing today? 199 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:27.120 Doing great? Save Honored to be on here with you, brother, 200 00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:28.120 Thanks for asking me. 201 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.639 Oh, excited to have you here. I'm member of your group. 202 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:33.960 I think I'm an admin over there, and I believe 203 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:35.960 you tag me as a group expert. I don't I 204 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:37.159 don't know about that. 205 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:41.360 But uh, we all know there is no expert. It's 206 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:44.360 just a technical phrase that book allows us to use. 207 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:47.120 So yeah, usually if if I hear somebody introduce as 208 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:50.000 an expert, I go the other way because can't be 209 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:53.080 an expert in stuff that you don't have proof for 210 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:56.279 it necessarily. Now, I've had some experiences and stuff myself, 211 00:15:56.320 --> 00:15:59.600 but and I've studied this stuff since years, you know, 212 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:04.039 since the late sixties, early seventies, and I've got. 213 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:05.919 A I've been a huge train for a long time. 214 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:09.080 I can't remember. I know that yours was about the 215 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:11.639 first one I started listing two years ago, have a 216 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:16.159 meaning that was but still still my favorite one. 217 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:20.919 I appreciate that there, And yeah, I just you know, 218 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:23.840 had an interest in the strange, the paranormal, the unusual 219 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:27.039 from early childhood due to some experiences I had, and 220 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:30.919 then got into the cryptids, probably early seventies when I 221 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:34.799 was still small, still in the single digits and just 222 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:36.440 kind of lights me up. And I've had, you know, 223 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:38.320 just a lifetime of that. And I've lived in the 224 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:42.679 Pacific Northwest and had some experiences out there and some 225 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:46.480 almost sighting. So one time, I'll talk about that one later. 226 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:50.240 But what was your experience what got you into the 227 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:52.639 Bigfoot and other cryptids and creatures. 228 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:56.919 Well, I was growing up in Tennessee. You know, I 229 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:00.480 had I honted a lot. I was any kind of 230 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:03.720 whatever season was over, you know me open, I mean 231 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:07.799 me and my dad, my brothers or my grand you 232 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:10.480 know and my granddad or my uncles. We would We 233 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:13.079 always hunted. That was just part of growing up there. 234 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:16.200 That was part of the life we lived. And I 235 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:20.799 never really I believe that possibly, you know, things lived. 236 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:23.160 I just didn't think we had any quit you know, 237 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:28.160 large creatures like a bigfoot in Tennessee. But uh, that's 238 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:31.079 what got me in. In November of ninety two, I 239 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:33.720 was at my grandfather's farm where I'd hunted all my 240 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:37.119 life and it was a pretty large farm. And when 241 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:40.079 his farm ended, he had close friends that joined his 242 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:42.400 farm and I can hunt there or two. I didn't care. 243 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:46.799 I didn't mind at all. In November the sixth of 244 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:49.039 nineteen ninety two, I was in my tree staying and 245 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:51.759 this monster came out of the out of the big 246 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:57.400 cane taking on the crete river bank. And that's what 247 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:00.400 got me started in. It just literally scared me to death. 248 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:03.920 Tell me about six or seven years to get over that. 249 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:07.279 So that's what got me into it. 250 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:10.319 Now, this this monster is he describing you think it 251 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:12.920 was a big foot or sometime it was a dog man, 252 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:16.960 some kind of bipedal creature, or what was your impression 253 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:17.240 of it? 254 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:19.880 Oh, No, it was definitely a big foot, and I 255 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:22.400 did a lot of research on it. And after that happened, 256 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:25.960 and you know, there wasn't a lot to research in 257 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:28.480 ninety two. I mean, I don't even think I had 258 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:31.200 a cell phone then, but you know, there wasn't any 259 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:35.000 Google or computer stuff that I knew how to operate, 260 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:37.960 or the ever ridden near anybody that had one. So 261 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:41.000 I might me spend my time at the libraries and 262 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:43.759 stuff trying to find pictures of this thing I'd seen. 263 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:45.920 And my granddad told me when I ran back to 264 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:50.079 the house terrified. You know, it was a good ways 265 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:52.359 from where i'd hunted at before. There it was like 266 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:54.559 two or three hollows over and it was a lot 267 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:59.319 deeper in where I had not hunted before. And he 268 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:02.119 told me what i'd seen. He called it a wood burger, 269 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:05.400 and I'd never heard of a wood burger, and you know, 270 00:19:05.559 --> 00:19:08.440 he was I was pretty frightened, and I started going 271 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:11.559 to the libraries and places like that trying to find 272 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:16.319 pictures of these bigfoot and just happened to be a 273 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:19.480 page in there that showed I believe it said ten 274 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:23.440 different type of bigfoot creatures. And I don't know how 275 00:19:23.480 --> 00:19:26.480 many there are different ones, but that's what it's said. 276 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:29.519 I think there's probably even more than that different, but 277 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:32.400 now I do, since I've learned so much over the years. 278 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:35.400 But the number two in the picture, it said number 279 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:39.200 two Woodburger. That was the second picture in that in 280 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:42.680 that particular book that I looked at, and it looked 281 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:45.400 just like what I'd seen, except the eyes were read 282 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:48.079 in this picture, and the one I seen just had 283 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:53.119 dark eyes with yellow or white around the people. So 284 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:57.079 that's what got me into it. I became terrified and 285 00:19:57.519 --> 00:19:58.880 trying to figure out what i'd seen. 286 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:02.039 And I've heard that term wood booger when I was 287 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:04.920 grown up in Tennessee, and another one I used to 288 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:08.000 hear my granny called it. She was in case Coverty 289 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:11.200 the Smokies. She called a run at you. She said, 290 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:13.400 now there's run atches out there. And I said what's 291 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:15.279 that and she said, oh, you'll find out. I said, 292 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:20.079 it'll run at you. So I never had any real 293 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:23.000 what I consider bigfoot experiences in East Tennessee, but I 294 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:26.319 knew people that did years before it was a thing 295 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:28.880 to talk about. I heard some stories when I was 296 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:31.359 doing my first book, Strange Things in the Woods, about 297 00:20:31.640 --> 00:20:34.880 what sounded like Bigfoot type creatures from in the mid 298 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:38.319 to late sixties in East Tennessee. But you know, there 299 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:42.799 wasn't really known or talked about at that time, around 300 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:46.920 that times when you had the Patterson Gimblin. 301 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:50.440 So yeah, yeah, yeah, that definitely was what put in 302 00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:54.119 the nineteen sixty seventh pictures. Definitely what put Bigfoot on 303 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:58.359 the map. Yeah, by far Right, and my friend Dad 304 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:01.160 had saying these creatures. You know, he never told me 305 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:04.880 about a big fit and I thought they might exist 306 00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:06.599 or in never thought about it a lot. But if 307 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:09.440 they did, it was probably out on the Pacific North Coach, 308 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:12.759 you know, Washington or Oregon or British Columbia or somewhere 309 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:16.880 around that area California. I didn't didn't know they were 310 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:20.359 in Tennessee, but they are and they still are, and 311 00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:24.640 I've had many encounters and experiences since then. But my 312 00:21:24.680 --> 00:21:27.720 granddad said he was ninety two years old at that time, 313 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:31.400 lived out in the middle of nowhere bysel My grandmother 314 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:34.480 and he were still married. They were married for seventy 315 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:37.559 nine years, but she lived in town. She wanted modern 316 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:42.799 conveniuses and he didn't. So after you know, he told me, 317 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:46.119 I've seen four. My granddad always called me boy. He 318 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:48.519 never called me by my name. He called me boy. 319 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:53.079 He said, I've seen four in my lifetime, and I've 320 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:55.839 heard a lot more than that. And know they were 321 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:58.920 watching me, but I couldn't see him. And I said, well, 322 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:01.079 why didn't you tell me about it? Those times? They said, 323 00:22:01.160 --> 00:22:03.440 what if I did, you'd never hunted in the woods, 324 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:06.079 or camped in the barn, or camped out with your 325 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:10.400 friends and family cousins here. So I didn't want to 326 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:13.599 mess up your adventure. And he was probably wrong about that. 327 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:15.680 If I didn't know most things existed, I wouldn't have 328 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:17.160 been camping out or in the woods. 329 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:18.960 Yeah, I think there's something to be said for that. 330 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.200 We lived out in the country. I had a twenty 331 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:24.680 six and a half acre farm, and I spent most 332 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:26.839 of my time in the woods. I never did see 333 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:29.319 anything like that that I considered a big boot, but 334 00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:32.160 I had some strange experiences and things out there a 335 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:36.279 couple of I've been scared three times in my entire life, 336 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:38.720 and two of them happened there, or well, one of 337 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:42.079 them a real scary one second most time been scared. 338 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:45.400 But like I said, that one story that I collected, 339 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:47.640 I heard a similar story from two different people right 340 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:50.079 around the same area, so I think that was probably 341 00:22:50.119 --> 00:22:53.640 the same one. And then my dad's from over on 342 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:58.640 the Cumberland Plateau of the Benches County, and I heard 343 00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:01.960 a story from a guy that lived over there close 344 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:05.880 to where my dad grew up. Guy that lived in 345 00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:09.799 the other next farm over several miles away, had gashed 346 00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:12.359 his leg open with an axe and they'd called an 347 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:14.839 ambulance to come and pick him up. Ambulance was run 348 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:17.839 the code, so they had the sirens going. And this 349 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:21.640 guy he lived, I think to the east of where 350 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:24.000 this other farm was. Well, he said, to the west. 351 00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:27.119 When that siren went by, he heard some kind of 352 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:30.759 creature calling back that was making a similar whooping sound 353 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:33.839 of what that ambulance was. And he said it made 354 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:36.359 all the hair raise up on the back of his neck. 355 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:41.720 But that place over there, there's their farm, the family 356 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:44.480 farm where my dad grew up. It's over nine hundred 357 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:47.200 and something acres and backed up to the Big South 358 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:51.119 Fork on the Tennessee side, and he talked about a 359 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:54.319 place that, as people say, look, squatchy, it's over there. 360 00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:56.799 There's a lot of Native American stuff over there, a 361 00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:00.799 lot of bluffs and places where they lived, worked and things, 362 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:03.920 and could go over there when they plowed the fields. 363 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:07.119 After they plowed in the first rain, you could walk 364 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:10.160 those fields and find arrowheads and stuff on top of 365 00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:13.440 the ground. So there's been people that lived in there 366 00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:17.720 for millennia. But there's you get that feeling that there's 367 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:20.079 something watching you in there. You get far enough out 368 00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:23.799 in the woods, and I've had that in the Smokies too. Again, 369 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:28.720 never saw anything in the Smokies. The strangest non encounter 370 00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:31.960 that ever had was in just outside Damascus, Virginia. I 371 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:35.480 was doing a little bit on the Appalachian Trail and 372 00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:37.200 i'd gone off trails in the middle of the night. 373 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:41.279 I had a headlamp on, and something started pelting me 374 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:45.440 with just small round river rocks and I wasn't anywhere 375 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:48.640 near a river, and They're just coming out of the 376 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:51.160 woods like in a straight line. They weren't like somebody 377 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:53.200 was bobbing them. They just flying. I didn't even feel 378 00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:54.880 them hitting me. But I heard them hitting the ground 379 00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:57.079 and I picked one up and it was warm to 380 00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:00.839 the touch. And I'd been hearing, you know, some tree 381 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:04.599 knocks and some warps and stuff. And when it started 382 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:06.400 throwing rocks at me, I thought, you know, I better 383 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:09.839 turn around and go another way, and I did. And 384 00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:12.519 I've since thought about that, and I don't think they 385 00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:16.720 were after me. I think they were warning me against something. 386 00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:18.839 I think if i'd continued on the path I was on, 387 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:21.559 there was probably a bear or a big cat or 388 00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:23.279 something back there that I didn't want to run into 389 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:23.920 in the dark. 390 00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:27.200 Well, what I've learned from these creatures. You know, it 391 00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:30.000 took me a long time ago my first encounter, because 392 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:32.480 I was quite fearful of even going to woods anymore. 393 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:35.720 I didn't hunt for about seven years, and you know, 394 00:25:35.799 --> 00:25:39.160 it was very strange. I had not mayors and everything 395 00:25:39.319 --> 00:25:41.680 for quite a long time. And the first two or 396 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:44.119 three weeks after that, you know, I had friends that 397 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:46.400 were still hunting there with me. We had my camp 398 00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:49.279 right in next to the barn, and they hunted and 399 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:51.119 I stayed in the house and my granddad. I didn't 400 00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:53.319 hunt the rest of the time. That was opening day 401 00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:56.240 that I had. That happen in black Powder season, and 402 00:25:57.319 --> 00:25:59.759 you know, I found out over since then. If I 403 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:02.119 hadn't run into the second plan I run into on 404 00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:04.759 the Common River, I probably would have never gotten over it. 405 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:08.480 But those are so different than the first one I'd seen, 406 00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:12.720 and they really become my friends. I visit them early 407 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:16.640 every day, and that was by complete accident. I was 408 00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:19.160 fishing when one of them were kept stealing my men 409 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:23.480 a bucket. But there's a lot of different type of 410 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:27.039 these creatures. I've learned that there's the real friendly type 411 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:31.319 that make the exes in the woods large exes, and 412 00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:33.920 then there's other ones that are those what I call 413 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:37.039 the real forest people. The other ones are a sasquatch 414 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:39.839 or a bigfoot, which are very similar, some of them 415 00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:44.079 looking to those. But a lot of those aren't very friendly. 416 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:48.400 They're aggressive, they'll bluff charge you. They just don't like 417 00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:50.240 humans and don't want to be around them. 418 00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:53.279 Yeah, and I heard other people talk about that how 419 00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:56.680 they're just like any kind of animal, if that's indeed 420 00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:00.960 what they are. That the ones like, you know, you 421 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:02.920 go to one area the squirrels, or this way, you 422 00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:05.079 go somewhere else the squirrels or maybe darker. You've got 423 00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:07.839 the red squirrels and dogs. Look how many different dog 424 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:10.720 breeds there are, yet they're all dogs. So I agree. 425 00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:14.720 And heard some stories about Mount Shasta, and I've been 426 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:16.720 up there a couple of times. That's a weird place. 427 00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:20.640 But I interviewed a girl who lived in Texas and 428 00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:25.279 just felt a pull to Shasta. She quit her job 429 00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:27.519 and bought a bunch of outdoor equipment and went and 430 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:31.440 lived on the slopes in Shasta for I think five months, 431 00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:35.599 and she encountered She called them three people, and they 432 00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:40.680 were friendly and benevolent and stuff to her. But so 433 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:42.920 that's not always the case. And again, I think it's 434 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:44.920 just just like people, there's good and bad, and I 435 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:49.599 think it's that way with Sasquatch or save or bigfoot 436 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:52.599 or whatever you want to call it. And I met 437 00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:57.000 Bob Gimlin at I was in Squatch Fest in Longview, Washington. 438 00:27:57.240 --> 00:27:58.839 Went up there a couple of times when I lived 439 00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:03.839 in Oregon. But he seems sincere. He just I think 440 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:06.880 he's in his nineties or something now, but just to 441 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:09.240 hear him recount it and just you know, he just 442 00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:10.640 he seems very genuine. 443 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.279 Oh sure, you know I don't know how anybody couldn't 444 00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:17.359 believe in the Patterson gamblin. I mean, it's been deep 445 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:21.480 by everybody in the industry that's tried to break it 446 00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:24.720 down that it wasn't what it was. And I think 447 00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:27.880 MK Davis probably done him and Thinker Thocker I thought, 448 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:31.599 probably done the best obserbitation on the breaking down the 449 00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:36.119 body parts and the muscles of anybody I've seen. So yeah, 450 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:39.640 it's definitely incredible. I don't know how anybody could make. 451 00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:43.759 Us say, try to claim that it's a costume stuff. 452 00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:46.880 But if you look at costumes in TV and film 453 00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:50.000 at that time, they didn't have the know how to 454 00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:53.880 make anything that convincing. I mean, you watch Gillian's Island. 455 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:55.319 You know the guy in the Grilla costume at the 456 00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:57.759 Beverly Hill Bill. He said, you can tell it's a costume, 457 00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:00.759 but that and the thing that got made was the 458 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:03.440 part that gives aways. The female has those pendulous breasts 459 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:06.079 and they kind of swing or swing. Nobody would have 460 00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:08.720 been thinking about that. If they're making a costume. 461 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:10.799 Well, it's kind of hard to find a seven and 462 00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:14.359 a half foot they're estimating female running around, or even 463 00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:16.960 a male. There's not very many seven and a half 464 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:21.640 foot people. So yeah, that alone now to get people's attention. 465 00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:24.720 Plus you know, the gate and the walk is so 466 00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:29.400 different than a human, especially the arms swing. Yeah, it's 467 00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.680 pretty credible. I'm one that believes in. 468 00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:35.839 It, and I believe in it. Just threw my own 469 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:39.839 studying into it. And like I said, the gate and 470 00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:43.400 just the different parts of it, I think they encountered 471 00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:46.960 whatever that was and it really was something non human 472 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:48.400 or at least partially human. 473 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:53.440 But yeah, I truly believe these things are an ancient people. 474 00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:57.279 I don't think they're an ape at all. I took 475 00:29:57.319 --> 00:29:59.319 a long time, and the ones on the river, I 476 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:06.079 was with them for about nearly three years, or a 477 00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:09.240 little longer than three years. But I learned a lot 478 00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:12.519 from them, and they do have their own language. They 479 00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:16.640 do no human language, and I have some American Native 480 00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:22.799 blood and met My grandmother was Lakota sue, so I 481 00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:25.319 know the Lakota language most of it and I can 482 00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:29.000 speak it. And I introduced them as a chai U Tako, 483 00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:32.920 which means big elder leader of the forest, and they 484 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.920 knew exactly what I was talking about. So it was 485 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:39.319 pretty amazing, you know. I tried my best to get 486 00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:42.559 them to talk to me. Just nearly every time I 487 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:45.000 go in, i'd tell them my name, Please tell me 488 00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:48.440 your name. I don't think I've ever told this on 489 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.680 anybody's show before, but my closest friends know about it. 490 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:55.440 I've told them years ago. But I did this for 491 00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:57.720 maybe two and a half years. Every time I go in, 492 00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:01.319 and when I was leaving, I would say bye. And 493 00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:05.400 I actually gave these ancient people, which I call the 494 00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:10.319 poorest people, some whistles, some plastic whistles. I gave them everything. 495 00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:12.440 I'd give them different gifts, but I gave them some 496 00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:14.759 of these plastic whistles. And every time I'd go in, 497 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.200 they would start blowing the whistles. They knew it was me, 498 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:21.480 they knew my voice said blow these whistles and get excited, 499 00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:24.000 and you could hear them running and jumping and everything 500 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.319 else until I got in and got set down. Then 501 00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:29.839 I'd stopped blowing them. But you know, I asked them 502 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:32.480 for a long time, please tell me your name, And 503 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:37.160 I didn't really realize. I never heard them speak a sentence. 504 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:41.000 But the female that was the one I was most 505 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:44.559 friendly with, she wasn't a grown one. She was a juvenile, 506 00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:51.119 mid juvenile, over five foot, but they're very intelligent. And 507 00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.359 I went in and I said, my name is Daryl. 508 00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:57.119 Please tell me your name, and I would practically that 509 00:31:57.559 --> 00:31:59.680 gave it up. I thought, well, maybe they can't talk 510 00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:02.480 for that, I know what I'm saying. And I was 511 00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:07.319 looking away and she went Aliatha, real out of deep voice, Aliath, 512 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:11.359 And I thought, what what do you did you say that? 513 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.359 I just looked at her. I kept looking. I said, 514 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:20.880 Aliatha is your name? And she shook her head and 515 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.440 it was I got two words out of that plan 516 00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:27.240 in over three years, and that was one of them. 517 00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:29.680 And they do know who Jesus Christs are. Now, these 518 00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.000 are the forest people, the ones that make the exes 519 00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:36.519 in the woods. I never heard sentences or any thing 520 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.079 like that, but I did get a name out of her, 521 00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:42.640 and it was very important. At that time, I was excited. 522 00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:45.319 I couldn't believe that they could even speak a word. 523 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.319 But uh, you know, since then, I've heard you know 524 00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:54.839 quite a few people doctor Matthew Johnson. Lot people think 525 00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:57.960 doctor j is crazy. I don't at all. After what 526 00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:00.519 I experienced on the river for about three years. He 527 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.200 experienced a lot of the things I did, and I 528 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.000 didn't even know about him, but I found out about 529 00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:11.119 him probably ten years after all that happened. And he's 530 00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:13.680 had a lot of similar experiences, and he's had a 531 00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:17.640 lot more direct conversation with him than I have. I've 532 00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:21.480 never heard him speak sentences or anything like that, but 533 00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.960 a word I did get out of that female, and 534 00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:28.079 I'll never forget that moment. It was very extraordinary. Once 535 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.400 you said I leave, I thought, and I've never forgot 536 00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:31.960 that name. 537 00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:36.480 That's amazing. That is some story there, darn some experience 538 00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:39.599 that you had. And that's the thing. You know, when 539 00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:43.480 people that are skeptics or non believers try to deboke stuff, 540 00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:47.039 you know, I know what in my experiences. I know 541 00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:49.079 what I've seen, I know what I felt, I know 542 00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:52.160 what I heard, and nobody's ever going to convince me otherwise. 543 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:54.839 I mean, it'd be like turning on your stove by 544 00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:57.279 and then putting your hand on it and then somebody 545 00:33:57.279 --> 00:33:59.000 tell you that ain't hot, it didn't burn you. 546 00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:03.559 I know, I gave up back you know when it 547 00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:07.079 when I had my first encounter, you couldn't tell anybody. 548 00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:09.760 I mean, you tell your friends. I even asked my 549 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:12.239 friends were hunting. I said, you ever seen anything down 550 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:14.119 in these woods? As long as we've been coming here, 551 00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:16.239 We've been coming there four or five years. We'd stay 552 00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:18.840 a whole week of opening black powder, which we call 553 00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:22.519 muzzle n And they said, no, what are you talking about? 554 00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.360 And all my friends always called me big D because 555 00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:28.280 I'm you know, I'm six five and two to eighty 556 00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:31.880 and I've been called that a long time. And I said, 557 00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:34.239 what do you mean big D? When Scott asked me, 558 00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:36.199 I said, like a big fer it and they all 559 00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:38.960 started laughing. I said, you had too much drink last night. 560 00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:41.519 I said no, I didn't have anything to drink. And 561 00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:43.440 I just kind of let it go with that. But 562 00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:46.239 you couldn't discuss it then. You know, thirty years ago, 563 00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:49.840 it's been over thirty years now. There was no format. 564 00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:53.679 There were no podcasts, no radio shows, no shows like 565 00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:57.159 here you have here. There was no Facebook. I mean, 566 00:34:57.199 --> 00:34:59.559 you couldn't discuss that type time. People thought you were 567 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:04.679 absolutely crazy, and thank goodness, my best friend of forty 568 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:09.079 two years, Martin Groves. About a year later, he had 569 00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:11.840 an encounter in the lba Alam between the Lakes of 570 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.840 a dog man trying to attighten kill him, and you know, 571 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.880 he was a really close friend, you know, and I 572 00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:21.360 would discuss some of this and talk back and forth 573 00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.599 because he couldn't tell anybody either. At that time, he 574 00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:28.800 was a Sheriff's department employee, been there a long time, 575 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:32.679 retired after thirty two years. Now, you know, I was 576 00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:38.239 an elected official in the same county, and it was difficult. 577 00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:41.440 He couldn't tell anybody. If you mentioned it to him, 578 00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:45.760 they thought, you know, this guy's crazy. But thank goodness 579 00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:48.599 for this day and time when you have a formaute 580 00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:51.960 like you have, it's really changed, and I think there's 581 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.639 a big reason to you hear so many encounters and 582 00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:59.320 so many experiences from people now, so thank you for 583 00:35:59.400 --> 00:35:59.800 having this. 584 00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:04.559 Oh it's my pleasure. And that's the thing. There's people 585 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:07.440 in all cultures, in all countries and all walks of 586 00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.239 life that have seen and had these experiences. And that 587 00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:14.559 could be said just about anything in the paranormal. But sasquatch, bigfoot, 588 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.119 save whatever we want to call it. It's it's not 589 00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:20.360 only nationwide, it's worldwide. And there seems to be different 590 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:22.480 types of them. Like I was talking about the different 591 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:25.199 breeds of dogs and stuff, you know, in Florida. You've 592 00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:30.639 got the Skunkcape up here in New England. The bigfoot 593 00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:33.920 creatures look different in the Bennington Triangle. In that area, 594 00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.960 they're they're similar, but they're different than the ones in 595 00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:39.840 the Pacific Northwest, which are different than the ones that 596 00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:43.559 are even in northern California, Mount Shasta. They seem to 597 00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:45.840 be different than the ones in Washington and Oregon. 598 00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:49.719 So you been going Alaska that area, you know there's 599 00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:54.039 ten twelve taller ones sing up there. It seems like 600 00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:57.679 it's a whole different type breed of this creature. I'm 601 00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.280 not sure that it is. My good friend Ron here, 602 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.159 it's been there several times, and you know, I think 603 00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:08.920 it's probably a different type. Uh you know, forest person 604 00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:12.440 myself or Boris Sasquatch, or a bigfoot, one of the 605 00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.960 one of the three. Of course, they're called by indigenous names, 606 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.119 ever were different than you know, my people call them 607 00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:22.519 the harry mayn. There's so many names for the creature 608 00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:26.599 that everybody calls it a different name, depending on the 609 00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:29.360 native heritage they are or the air they're living in. 610 00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:31.639 But you know, I got to the point where I 611 00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.960 already didn't care what anybody thought. I mean, I'm still there. 612 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:37.599 If you don't believe me, I don't care. I never 613 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:40.000 try to convince anybody. I don't care where they believe 614 00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:41.440 me or not. I know what I've seen, I know 615 00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:44.440 where I lived, and you know, if they don't. If 616 00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.480 they don't believe that, that's quite fine with me, go 617 00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:50.679 right ahead and believe that way. 618 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:55.920 Agreement with you there, brother. And that's another thing that 619 00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.639 all these indigenous people Native American tribes, they all have 620 00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:03.840 a legend and across all the different tribes runs in 621 00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:06.960 the Southwest, the ones in the Northwest, the ones up here, 622 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:11.559 the Algonquins, and and the Seminole in Florida. They've all 623 00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:14.280 got that legend in there. And these were people that 624 00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:17.800 didn't communicate. You know, it's certainly not like we do. 625 00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:19.920 But you know you live back then on the other 626 00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:22.159 side of the country that you never saw those other 627 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:25.719 tribes and things first likely, but to have those same stories, 628 00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.599 that's true ism. I think that that puts some some 629 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:32.079 truth in some weight into it. And not just hear 630 00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:33.559 Canada everywhere. 631 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:36.840 I think one thing that I see all the time, 632 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:41.199 even in my group, and you know, everybody seems to 633 00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:46.000 think that these things are all friendly. They're not all friendly. 634 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:49.280 I mean, you got you better get the right kind. 635 00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:52.639 You don't know what you're going through the field and experiencing. 636 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:56.159 Because the only way I know how to tell the 637 00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.119 forest people from the big Foot of the sass, which 638 00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:03.000 I call them the X markers. These creatures are very 639 00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:07.719 territorial and you don't come in their territory without their permission, 640 00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:13.000 and they're pretty sincere about that against the other what 641 00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.480 I call different types of them, which would be a 642 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:19.119 sass or a Bigfoot. So those X markers are all 643 00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:21.519 over the woods. If you find the forest people, they'll 644 00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:24.440 be on the floor of the trail. They'll be huge 645 00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:28.719 trees making axes. And I learned a lot from those 646 00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.800 on the river because I got very fortunate. If they 647 00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:34.960 were the real forest people, they weren't. They were never 648 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:39.840 aggressive towards me. They were very friendly. I didn't see 649 00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:42.440 the whole clan, never did. I an't seen three of them, 650 00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:44.599 but I can hear them in there. They were in 651 00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:47.519 a huge patch of what I call kadzu. It looks 652 00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:50.000 like vines, and it was just went down the river 653 00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:53.840 bank for miles. It was real thick and it was 654 00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:57.079 hard to see in there. But the three that I 655 00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:02.400 got to see regularly that light me. Those were friendly. 656 00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:06.000 You know, they're cautious because they're afraid of humans, because 657 00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:09.519 humans have hurt their families over the years, and they're 658 00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:11.800 scared of them. It takes a long time to be 659 00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:15.280 able to trust with them, and it took me a 660 00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:19.079 long time. And I was there nearly every day. Sometimes 661 00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.039 i'd stay the night with them, and you know, I 662 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:24.639 wasn't sleeping with them, but I was not too far 663 00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:28.960 from where they were at, and they came to know me, 664 00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:32.000 and they first of all these things, how they do it, 665 00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:35.559 I don't know. They can read your heart, your intentions 666 00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:38.400 and why you're there. I don't know how they do this, 667 00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:41.400 but I know that to be true because it's been 668 00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:44.719 several times when I started to do something or say 669 00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:47.239 something or give them something, they already knew what I 670 00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:50.519 was thinking. I know that probably sounds crazy to people, 671 00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:54.239 but these things are so intelligent. They have some special abilities. 672 00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:58.400 Yeah, I'm that they can speak to you without using 673 00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:01.880 their mouth, that they can hear and understand. They've got 674 00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:04.920 some kind of sixth sense or something that either we 675 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.119 don't have any more that we've got and don't know 676 00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:10.800 how to use I think they're more evolved than we 677 00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:12.599 are in sum regards. 678 00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.480 I think you're right. You know Ron Morehead. You know, 679 00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:18.880 if you've ever ever read a book called Ron Moorheads 680 00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:22.039 got the best book that I think breaks down and 681 00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:25.559 explains is called The Quantum, and it breaks down how 682 00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:31.239 they transfer this energy and they can go interdimensional. When 683 00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:33.880 I say interdimensional, you can't sing them. You can see 684 00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:37.000 them outlines. Sometimes I haven't seen one just do that 685 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:39.079 right in front of me, but I'm sure that I've 686 00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:42.960 walked through some areas where they were. But they also 687 00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:45.519 have abilities to mind speach, I think, is what you 688 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.400 were getting at. And I have personally never mind spoke 689 00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:51.800 with them. They did try to mind speak with me. 690 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.079 I was, god frankly stared to open my mind up 691 00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:58.039 like that because I was afraid they not harm me. 692 00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.760 Because they can control your mind, you know, and talk 693 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:04.519 to you like that, then there might be something to 694 00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:06.400 come about that that you may not want to be 695 00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:10.199 involved in them. But I've got good friends. Scott Tis 696 00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:12.480 is probably the best in the world at mind speaking, 697 00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.559 and you know they do it regularly with them. I 698 00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:20.960 personally haven't, but I've seen their abilities their abilities are amazing. 699 00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:21.800 What they can do. 700 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:25.039 Yeah, it's these people that remote view and stuff, and 701 00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:29.679 just the accuracy that some of them have it is amazing. 702 00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:32.760 And I've heard people talk about before that whatever these 703 00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:37.159 creatures are hominids or humanoids or inhumanoids as Barton would 704 00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:42.360 call them, they have the ability to vibrate eat. I 705 00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:44.639 don't know if it's a higher or lower frequency than 706 00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:47.079 we do, but they seem to be able to do it. It will. 707 00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:51.760 Comedian Mitch Hedbergh once quipped that every picture of Bigfoot 708 00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:54.519 is blurry because Bigfoot is blurry. It's an actual picture. 709 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:57.440 The creature is blurry. You know. There's probably a little 710 00:42:57.440 --> 00:42:58.480 bit of truth in that. 711 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:03.559 Well, I think it's a higher energy. They transform it 712 00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:08.639 into a higher energy if you read If anybody's ever 713 00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:12.440 read Quantum by Ron Moorehead and they'll understand a lot 714 00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:14.960 more about it. I think he's got it figured better 715 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:15.719 than anybody. 716 00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:19.079 But I haven't read that, but I certainly will. I 717 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:21.880 just added it to my Amazon cards, So there you go. 718 00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:23.519 Thank the great book. 719 00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:27.079 You know, you've also got you know, other people that 720 00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.679 have different ideas and have done different things with these 721 00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:34.440 creatures too, which have actually seen them cloak and go 722 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:40.199 inter dimensional. I personally haven't, but I did see one 723 00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:42.360 go behind a tree one time, and I walked right 724 00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:44.360 to the tree and never did find him. So I 725 00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:48.440 don't know where he went, but he went somewhere. And uh, 726 00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:52.599 they're you know, getting back to Martin Onley. You know, 727 00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:55.199 Barton has never had a good experience with a forest 728 00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:58.400 person or a bigfoot. And quite frankly, I understand why, 729 00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:02.199 because you know, Barton is one of my closest friends, 730 00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:05.679 and and Martin Groves and Ron Moorhead are my team, 731 00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.559 and Billy Howell I intend to see me and him 732 00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:10.599 do a little research. He used to do a lot together. 733 00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:15.639 But when you got those guys like like Ron, who's 734 00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:20.360 experienced some craziness, and you know Barton and he grew 735 00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:22.599 up in Kentucky and these things are trying to break 736 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:25.039 in his house and kill him and his family every night, 737 00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:28.280 he was terrified of him. He never had a good 738 00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:31.079 experience with any of them. And I've told him for years, 739 00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:33.760 I said, Barton, I mean, you just haven't been around 740 00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:36.880 the right ones. They're not all like that. They're like people. 741 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.480 There's bad and good and all animals too. Ye And 742 00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:44.000 you know, he never had that, and just recently he 743 00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:46.199 feels different about that. He and I were in the 744 00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:49.920 run Pueen the Lakes back in October, he I and 745 00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:52.679 Martin Groves and Ron moorehead. We had a cabin back 746 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:56.280 in there and stayed three nights and we had a 747 00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:58.519 family of bigfoot right next to the cabin and they 748 00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:01.559 were just making all kinds I haven't He was actually 749 00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:05.400 filming me on a personal podcast he had for one 750 00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:09.119 of my experiences, and these things were breaking lambs right 751 00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:11.679 behind us. You could hear them, you can see shouts 752 00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:13.840 of them going back behind the woods. And he was 753 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.159 just he said, I can't believe it. I can't believe 754 00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:19.239 these things aren't. You know they're here. They're not attacking me, 755 00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:21.880 you know, because like I said, it was an experience 756 00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:24.719 for heal because he realized they're not all out to 757 00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:25.159 kill you. 758 00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:29.639 Yeah. I believe that's true. And a lot of times 759 00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:32.320 I think they know your intent. If you're coming in 760 00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:34.960 there to try to disrupt or hunt them or something 761 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:37.559 like that, they know that, and you won't have any 762 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.719 experience work, you'll have a bad experience. Now, what do 763 00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:43.199 you make of some of these historical experiences like the 764 00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:47.719 Ape Canyon attacks with those miners who're supposedly attacked. What 765 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.039 do you think that just they were in a place 766 00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:52.480 that they shouldn't have been and they upset these people 767 00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:53.559 or the. 768 00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:56.199 You know that I don't know what type of creature 769 00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:59.840 that was, but I'm familiar with the eight attack, and 770 00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:03.599 if I remember correctly, one of those minors shot one 771 00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:05.159 of them off of bluff. 772 00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:07.280 Yeah that was the story. 773 00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:09.719 Yeah, yeah. I mean if you, first of all, if 774 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:12.639 you go in there with the wrong intent and just 775 00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.440 shoot one of these creatures for no reason at all, 776 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:18.880 it's really no different than somebody's shooting your brother or 777 00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:21.639 one of your family members. I mean, they're going to retaliate. 778 00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:24.679 So you know, first of all, you're in their area. 779 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:28.039 They're very territorial, I mean very territorial. They don't want 780 00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:31.559 you to come in their area without permission, and if 781 00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:34.119 you do, then they're going to retaliate and try to 782 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.880 run you out by different means, like you said, throwing 783 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:41.559 small gravels or bluff charging or yelling or screening at 784 00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:44.760 you or whatever they feel like doing. But when you 785 00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.239 go in with an intention and shoot one of them, 786 00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:49.719 you've kind of opened up your own war, and I 787 00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:51.000 think that's what happened. 788 00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:54.159 Absolutely, you declared war on them in their territory, so 789 00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:57.000 of course they're going to retaliate. And you know that 790 00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:59.440 was they called them ape men. They didn't know what 791 00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:02.199 else to as. That was back in the nineteen twenties 792 00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:05.079 when there was right, you know, not all this modern 793 00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:07.159 concept to bigfoot and stuff now that the nave of 794 00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:10.840 American stories are older than that. But I believe something 795 00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:14.280 happened to them up there. And I talked to somebody 796 00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:17.440 that was part of a paranormal investigation team in California 797 00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:19.679 that had gone up there, and they think they found 798 00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:21.880 the site of that original cabin. They found some had 799 00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:25.800 made nails and with the roof beams or something, I think, 800 00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:30.079 But in that area, if that entire story is true, 801 00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:33.159 there should be a skeleton of that one the guy 802 00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:36.559 claimed he shot off the bluff, unless I think. And 803 00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:40.599 that's another thing that you hear a lot of skeptics say, well, 804 00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:42.840 how come we've never found a carcass or we've never 805 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:45.400 found a skeleton. Who's to say they don't bury their 806 00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:46.280 dead like we did. 807 00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:49.599 Well, I don't know what they did with their dead, 808 00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.159 and I've been asked that many times, and other people 809 00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:55.760 has to speculated. But these things are I know people 810 00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:58.719 think may think I'm crazy, but these things are not 811 00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:02.360 an ape. Say that again. They're not an ape. These 812 00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:05.599 are an ancient people. And I asked the ones on 813 00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:08.760 the river many times, where are you from? They never answered, 814 00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:12.679 but they pointed up in the sky and I said, 815 00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:16.079 are you from another galaxy or another planning? I asked 816 00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:18.880 them that several times, and they did shake their head 817 00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:22.440 in acknowledgment. I asked them, if you know Jesus Christ. 818 00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:25.920 They shook their head and acknowledgement. These things are a 819 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.880 lot more intelligent than you think they are, and they 820 00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:30.559 don't want to let you. They don't want to let 821 00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:33.360 people know that they're capable of doing things like that. 822 00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:36.679 They want to play kind of dumb because they don't 823 00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:40.360 trust you. So now, some of the type out there, 824 00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:43.079 like I said, are not like those. I do think 825 00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:46.280 some of them will kill you. I do think if 826 00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:48.920 you go to the doctor. Matthew Johnson's any calls them 827 00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:52.480 the traycon the bad ones, and I don't doubt that 828 00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:56.079 that's not the name for them. I haven't conversated with 829 00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:59.480 these forest people like he has, and I wish I could, 830 00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:03.320 but I have it. But they were there killers, and 831 00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:05.559 I do think they will kill you and eat you 832 00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:09.000 and scatter your bonds through the woods. So a lone 833 00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:11.480 hoker is not a very smart guy out of the 834 00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:14.239 middle of nowhere. And I've done it before myself, but 835 00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:16.320 I don't do it any longer. But you don't need 836 00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:19.000 to go into woods by yourself. 837 00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:22.599 Yeah, that's me. I've hiked all over the Smokies and 838 00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:25.840 did about three months on the Appalachian Trail one time. 839 00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:29.280 I went from Georgia up into Virginia. Just took my 840 00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:31.079 time doing it, got off the trail a lot. But 841 00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:33.480 you couldn't pay me to get out there and hike alone. Now, 842 00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:36.480 not after the type videos that I do. These people 843 00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:40.679 that go missing and that disappear, there's something out there 844 00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:43.519 in the woods now, a lot of it. It's not 845 00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:46.159 as mysterious as people think. It can be explained people 846 00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:51.239 over confident, ill prepared, didn't take enough supplies with them, 847 00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:53.599 or they thought they you know, it never happened to me. 848 00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:56.639 But then there are some that just don't have any 849 00:49:56.840 --> 00:50:01.280 rational or reasonable explanation. I think occasionally that there's something 850 00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:03.679 out there that takes people. Now, it may be a 851 00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:05.920 human predator, it may be a big cat, it may 852 00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:08.800 be a bear. But with animal attacks and things like that, 853 00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:11.880 there will be forensic evidence. And some of these people 854 00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:15.320 when they disappear, they're never a shred of evidence. Maybe 855 00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:17.400 some bootprints you can see where they were, and then 856 00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:18.360 they're just not. 857 00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.440 And you know, since you got into the missing but 858 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:26.360 them keeping up with yours, and they're pretty awesome stories. 859 00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:29.239 But you know, I do believe that. I don't do. 860 00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:32.119 I think it's all Bigfoot taking these people. No, not 861 00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:34.679 my any rods. I'm not even sure Bigfoot archasing them. 862 00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:37.000 That's my own guess. But I'm sure there's probably other 863 00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:40.239 cryptids or creatures that are taking them, you know. I 864 00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:43.760 don't know. God's seen two dogs man, and I didn't 865 00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.159 believe in those forever, but I've seen the first one 866 00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:49.639 in Tazewell County, Virginia, the last one in October this 867 00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:53.159 twenty twenty two with Martin Groves in the Land between 868 00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:56.920 the Lakes. And they do exist, and that's the only 869 00:50:57.039 --> 00:50:59.360 ones I've ever seen. I've never seen an Adian or 870 00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:03.719 anything like that, but I know those things exist, and 871 00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:08.639 I wouldn't be surprised if some type of creature is 872 00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:11.880 not taking these people. Now. I haven't seen what they 873 00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:14.320 call a clear man. I don't know what you actually 874 00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:16.599 call it. It looked like a piece of shram wrap 875 00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:20.119 in the woods and it shrinks, And I've seen one 876 00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:23.599 of those in the Shenandoah National Forests that scared me 877 00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:26.000 to death. I couldn't believe what I was saying. I 878 00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:29.519 don't know what it is, but it was something clear 879 00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:33.199 that was walking between a tree and between another tree, 880 00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:35.719 and I watched it go down a woodline and disappear. 881 00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:38.119 So I don't know what that is. 882 00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:41.199 Some people call it the glimmer man or the predator 883 00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:44.400 type creature. I had an experience with one of those, 884 00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:46.239 but it was in the city. So when I lived 885 00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:49.239 in Portland, Oregon, I was downtown late at night. I'd 886 00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:52.920 been to an event at Palace Bookstore Palace City Books 887 00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:55.760 and Things about eleven o'clock and I was waiting on 888 00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:58.679 the commuter train to get back to my part of Portland, 889 00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:04.039 and at the train station, I saw something shimmering over 890 00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:07.920 on the corner. It looked like it was between like 891 00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:11.320 a lamp post and a permanent garbage can there, and 892 00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:13.840 I thought it was steam coming up out of vents 893 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:17.000 in the street there, but it was in the warm weather, 894 00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:19.039 and I thought, well, that's weird. So I walked over 895 00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:21.280 there and a byt the time I got up close 896 00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:23.159 to where it was, I noticed not only is there 897 00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:25.639 not any vents there, but whatever it was, and it 898 00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:28.280 was short stature anyway, it would have been less than 899 00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:30.960 four feet tall, but it was a human type shape 900 00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:34.039 and it just kind of squatted down behind that garbage can. 901 00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:40.039 And what I call my granny senses, she was empathic 902 00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:43.639 in things, and every nerve in my body tingled, and 903 00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.599 I thought, I need to get out of here, and 904 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:49.920 I ended up crossing the street against traffic and ran 905 00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:52.119 through the traffic to get away from whatever it was, 906 00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:54.840 hoping that it wouldn't chase me. Went several blocks on 907 00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:58.519 up to the next train station. It didn't follow me 908 00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:01.039 as far as I know, But that was it was 909 00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:03.360 just like you said. It looked it was an outline 910 00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:04.840 of a human, but you could see through it. It 911 00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:07.719 looked like plastic or saran wrap, or kind of like 912 00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:09.679 the heat waves that you see coming off the road 913 00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:12.840 in the summertime. It was kind of shimmering and it 914 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:16.960 just squatted down and I nope. So I never didn't 915 00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:19.199 go in downtown Portland anymore after dark. 916 00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:24.719 They can't realize these creatures. You know, everybody has a 917 00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:28.159 thought theory that these creatures are way out in the forest, 918 00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:30.559 and there's a lot of them that are out in 919 00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:33.079 the forest, but they're in town too. I mean, if 920 00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:37.199 there's a funnel way from a woodline that goes into 921 00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:40.480 the forests down to an area of town, they're there. 922 00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:44.719 I've had I've got plenty of documented calls from people 923 00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:49.239 in Tennessee. Heartsville, Tennessee, is a perfect example of a 924 00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.440 lady there that call U numerous times back in two 925 00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.559 thousand and ten or eleven and said, you know, I 926 00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:58.800 was told to call you. I've got one of these 927 00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:01.719 big foots over here at my house and it scared 928 00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:05.280 me to death at night. So long story short, I 929 00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:07.840 went to her house twice at night, didn't see a thing. 930 00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:10.480 I was there two nights all night long, did not 931 00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:13.119 see nothing. And then she told me again, she goes, 932 00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:15.559 they're back, and I said, well, they've probably seen me 933 00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:19.280 and they come back because I'm not there. But she 934 00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:22.119 actually had footage of these things coming out of the woods, 935 00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:25.400 and they were coming out behind a restaurant in downtown. 936 00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:28.320 Of course, Heartsell, Tennessee, is not a big downtown, but 937 00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:31.679 it's still in the middle of town, around houses, around 938 00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:35.039 sub divisions. And they were getting into the dumpster of 939 00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:38.719 this restaurant and taking bags of food scraps out of 940 00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:42.159 it and walking off into the woods. And there's been 941 00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:45.880 numerous encounters of this happening. I've had numerous people call 942 00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:50.280 me about it, and also numerous encounters of dog men 943 00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:53.400 just walking around in the middle of downtown Maryville, Tennessee. 944 00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:58.280 So it sounds crazy, I. 945 00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:04.920 Know, but yeah, the one eye witnessed sighting that I 946 00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:08.320 had what I believe was a big foot or sasquatch. 947 00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:09.039 Uh. 948 00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:11.280 It wasn't out in the woods at all. I was 949 00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:13.679 living in a little town called Saint Helen's, Oregon. It's 950 00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:17.440 just outside Portland and kind of like Mayberry. It's a 951 00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:21.480 small town. You ever seen the Disney movies about Halloween Town. 952 00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:24.480 That's where that was shot. Was in Saint Helen's and 953 00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:27.639 I was out. I smoked at the time. I quit 954 00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:29.960 smoking a little over a year ago. I was smoking 955 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:32.559 at the time and up until recently. I've been a 956 00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:35.960 lifelong insomniac. It's about two or three o'clock in the morning. 957 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:38.639 I'd walked out in the driveway to have a cigarette, 958 00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:41.840 and I could see up to the street that went by. 959 00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:46.119 I lived on a little dead end street, and whatever 960 00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:49.199 this thing was, it came walking down the sidewalk, or 961 00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:50.559 it might have been the edge of the road. I 962 00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:52.480 don't think there was a sidewalk on that side of 963 00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:55.480 the road, but it was. I could tell it was 964 00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:58.039 a big person, and it looked like maybe they were 965 00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:00.840 wearing a fur coat, and it had that weird gait, 966 00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:04.880 swinging their arms and taking these huge steps, and it 967 00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:07.920 passed in front of a stop sign and kept going 968 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:10.199 on down the street out of sight, and I thought, 969 00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:12.320 what when the world was that? I'm going to go 970 00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:15.440 get a look at that. And I heard my grandmother's voice, 971 00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:18.119 not audibly, but just in the back of my mind, saying, 972 00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:20.800 what you need to do is get your butt back 973 00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:23.920 in the house and leave that alone. And so I 974 00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:26.159 went in and stayed there. But I walked up there 975 00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:28.119 the next day where I saw it pass by that 976 00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:30.960 stop sign, and that stop sign on the post was 977 00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:33.599 a lot higher than I thought it was. The thing's 978 00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:36.159 head was up near the top of the stop sign. 979 00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:39.360 It would have had to been oh between seven and 980 00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:42.519 eight feet tall, and it looked like said like it 981 00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:44.239 was wearing a fur coat. It didn't have much of 982 00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:45.840 a neck that I could see. Its head was kind 983 00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:48.760 of almost a gum drop shaped or something. It was 984 00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:52.039 just sat right down on its shoulders, swinging its arms, 985 00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:55.880 taking these big steps, and it was shiny. It wasn't raining, 986 00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:58.159 but it looked like somebody wearing a wet fur coat. 987 00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:00.719 And I could see the street lights letting off of 988 00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:04.280 but it was it had a destination in mind. It 989 00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:06.719 wasn't looking around. It was just you know, moving on. 990 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:10.280 But that's an area, you know, that's not Saint Helen's 991 00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:14.239 Oregon is not that far from all the other Mount 992 00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:16.760 Saint Helens is in Washington, but Saint Helens, Oregon is 993 00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:19.199 called that because on a clear day you can see 994 00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:23.400 Mount Saint Helens from there. But that's the only eye 995 00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:25.719 witness thing. And I've seen some footprints and things. I 996 00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:30.360 was up in Washington State when I lived in Vancouver, Washington. 997 00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:34.119 I'd gone up in April or May spring, but had 998 00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:36.320 gone up. There's still snowlighte if you in the Gifford 999 00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:38.760 Pincho National Forest, which they've had a lot of sightings 1000 00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:41.480 up there. And I was with a friend and we 1001 00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:43.800 drove up above the snow line. I just wanted to 1002 00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:46.360 see some snow and I walked up in the snow 1003 00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:49.159 and there right in the edge of the snow line, 1004 00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:54.159 there was one footprint, barefoot, huge, like something had been 1005 00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:57.480 walking along that snow line and just at a traversing 1006 00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:00.639 at an angle and it just put one foot over 1007 00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:02.840 in the snow. But it was a huge And ain't 1008 00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:04.960 nobody gonna be up there walking around barefoot And it 1009 00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:07.920 was cold up there. So they've seen the footprints and 1010 00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:10.360 then they had that one sighting. But I've heard them 1011 00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:12.880 and I've sensed them more. Like I said, there's places, 1012 00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:15.760 even in the Smokies that I've been in where you 1013 00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:20.639 feel like you're intruding and better behave yourself, or better yet, 1014 00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:25.119 go somewhere else. And I know we did a video 1015 00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:30.239 about feral people that my wife Nicole wrote, and I 1016 00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:33.039 think a lot of this what people claim it's feral people. 1017 00:58:33.079 --> 00:58:35.719 It's not feral humans as we know them at all. 1018 00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:39.480 But these three people as you call them, and I've 1019 00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:41.719 had people come at me about that and say, well, 1020 00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:44.960 you don't think that people could really hide in the 1021 00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:47.840 forest and not be seen. Oh, if you don't believe that, 1022 00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:50.440 then you've never been far enough back in the deep woods. 1023 00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:52.960 I've been some places in the Smokies that you know, 1024 00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:55.199 I'm not talking about the trails and the stuff for 1025 00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:59.000 the tourists. I'm talking about deep woods backcountry. So you 1026 00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:01.840 could there could be a whole family living back there. 1027 00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:05.119 There probably are now, there are people that go off grid. 1028 00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:09.239 Dwight McCarter, who was a ranger in the Smokies. He's 1029 00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:12.880 retired now. He talked about there were people that lived 1030 00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:15.360 in the Smokies. He didn't come right out and say 1031 00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:18.239 that they were sasquatch or bigfoot of tree people. He said, 1032 00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:22.840 there's some people that like their privacy, and people try 1033 00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:25.280 to poo poo that and debunk it. But then you 1034 00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:29.639 have Eric Rudolph the bomber. It was the top of 1035 00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:32.480 the FBI's Most wonder list. This was a man with 1036 00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:36.719 no outdoor experience, no survival training or anything. He hid 1037 00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:40.960 out in Nantahala National Forest for several years and the 1038 00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:42.679 only way he got caught he was coming into a 1039 00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:46.559 little town there, like you were talking about with Sasquatch. 1040 00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:49.360 He was riding the dumpster outside of the little convenience store, 1041 00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:53.920 getting the expired little debbies and twinkies and stuff out 1042 00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:55.920 of the garbage that they'd thrown away. That's how he 1043 00:59:55.960 --> 01:00:00.480 got caught. So yeah, you absolutely can anything out there, 1044 01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:04.559 human and otherwise. And then the thing about the carcass 1045 01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:06.880 that I was talking about that I've been all in 1046 01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:09.440 the woods most of my life. I've never seen a 1047 01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:12.960 bear carcass. The only deer carcass I've ever seen was 1048 01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:15.079 where somebody was poaching or hunting out a season that 1049 01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:17.719 had left it out there. You don't see any kind 1050 01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:18.639 of carcass out. 1051 01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:22.079 There, not a lot, because you've got so many scavengers 1052 01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:23.760 first of all, that take care of it. 1053 01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:27.159 Yeah, the smaller creatures would make some work of that. 1054 01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:30.360 So I don't think that's evidence that it doesn't exist 1055 01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:33.119 because they've never found a skeleton or a dead one. 1056 01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:36.400 Well, I think the Smokies had a lot of things. 1057 01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:39.159 It's had some mysterious place there really is. You get 1058 01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:41.519 in some of those mountains and there's there probably never 1059 01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:43.719 been a person walked through there, So. 1060 01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:48.280 I agree, maybe indigenous people or something. I've said that 1061 01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:51.679 in all seriousness that I've been places where I'm probably 1062 01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:55.840 the only Caucasian person and I'm an eighth Cherokey that's 1063 01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:57.480 ever set a foot back in there. 1064 01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:00.719 Yeah, I believe that. I mean, i'd say there was 1065 01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:04.440 even probably some you know, American daties across some of 1066 01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:07.199 these areas. And you get up into some of the 1067 01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:10.639 deep forests, like you're talking about the Smokies, which go 1068 01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:14.519 you know, all over the backside of Tennessee and North Carolina, 1069 01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:18.400 and there's some woods in there that are just nothing 1070 01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:21.599 but just go for miles and they're dance and thick, 1071 01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:24.639 and I don't know how you would ever cover it all, 1072 01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:27.159 you know, it would be difficulty. 1073 01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:30.360 A lot of the indigenous people's they had areas that 1074 01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:33.800 they avoided, that they wouldn't go into, and things, there 1075 01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:36.159 was stuff in there that you don't want to mess with. 1076 01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:39.639 And uh, a lot of these places that have hell 1077 01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:42.239 or devil in the name seem to be that. Now again, 1078 01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:44.760 I don't know if that's if they were so named 1079 01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:47.920 because of the stuff that happens there, or just simply 1080 01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:51.159 the act of naming it that attracted stuff there. Like 1081 01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:53.280 the concept of a tulper or something like that. 1082 01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:57.239 You said that, stay, You're exactly right. Some things that 1083 01:01:57.280 --> 01:01:59.760 are named would devil or something. I don't it seem 1084 01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:02.800 to have some type of mysterious thing going on there. 1085 01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:06.239 The area that Martin Grove has had his first encounter 1086 01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:10.440 was called Devil's Backbone, and the area that we seen 1087 01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:13.440 the bigfoot was on the outside of Devil's backbone. We 1088 01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:15.760 were sitting, not a bigfoot, I'm sorry, a dog man 1089 01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:20.840 last October of twenty two. That was the backside of 1090 01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:25.719 the Devil's backbone. And I've heard of other people seeing 1091 01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:29.599 different type things or even as far as that goes, 1092 01:02:29.719 --> 01:02:34.320 even seeing some type of entities or ghost type creatures 1093 01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:38.320 in those areas. So they were definitely named that for 1094 01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:41.119 a reason. I don't know what the reason was. It 1095 01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:43.719 was before my time, but I'm sure it had something 1096 01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:45.800 to do with something evil being there. 1097 01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:50.519 Yeah, I agree. Now, you mentioned that you'd had a 1098 01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:53.360 dog man sighting. Could you tell us about that. I'm 1099 01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:55.880 fascinated by that and I'd love to hear it. 1100 01:02:57.320 --> 01:03:00.480 Well. My first jog man sighting was in October of 1101 01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:07.320 twenty one, and I've been sick that that file I'd 1102 01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:11.920 had eye surgery and I had time to do a 1103 01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:15.440 few things. And I actually sitting in an old country 1104 01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:19.000 stoer here in the morning at times and drank coffee 1105 01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:21.360 with just the farmers, you know. We sat there. It's 1106 01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:25.800 a little gas station stower, cold country stoer, and I 1107 01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:29.679 was sitting in there that morning and this gentleman comes 1108 01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:32.400 in with his that's what I thought was his son. 1109 01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:36.920 And the guy who owns this particular store is Indian descent, 1110 01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:42.719 and he can't speak Amish real well, and he doesn't 1111 01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:47.480 understand sometimes what they're saying. And this gentleman walked up 1112 01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:50.559 to him, and he had been out getting gas in front, 1113 01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:54.360 and he said, do you know anything about creatures living 1114 01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:58.000 around here? And I was sitting at this table maybe 1115 01:03:58.039 --> 01:04:00.519 teen foot from him, and it just caught my ear 1116 01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:03.760 or the creature apart him saying that. I looked around 1117 01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:08.199 and the guy who owns the store there, he was 1118 01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:10.400 looking at me, and I said, well, what kind of 1119 01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:13.599 creature are you talking about? And he said, I don't 1120 01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:16.840 know what it is, but it's killing all my aunt's goats. 1121 01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:20.480 And I said, well, where do you live? And he said, well, 1122 01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:22.880 pretty good ways from here. What it's traveling through here 1123 01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:28.559 today visiting some family. And I said, okay. He gave 1124 01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:30.639 me me and him talk for a little bit, and 1125 01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:33.159 he said, here's my address if you want to come 1126 01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:35.320 out there. He actually asked me if I wanted to 1127 01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:37.119 follow him that day, and I had something I had 1128 01:04:37.159 --> 01:04:39.239 to do and I couldn't do that. But I actually 1129 01:04:39.280 --> 01:04:41.519 got his address and I drove out there and it 1130 01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:43.760 was a good drive and where I was living at 1131 01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:48.480 It was probably three hours, but it was in Taswell. 1132 01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:52.320 I think it's called Taswell County. I don't know the area. 1133 01:04:52.400 --> 01:04:55.400 Is that whale in Virginia, but I think pretty sure 1134 01:04:55.400 --> 01:04:59.159 I know it was Taswell something Virginia, and I had 1135 01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:02.000 lost service, couldn't a lot when I got close to 1136 01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:03.719 where he told me, and I couldn't find where I 1137 01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:05.440 was going, so I had to drive back out to 1138 01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:08.000 the main highway to pick service up on my cellphone 1139 01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:11.280 with a GPS, and he told me meet me at 1140 01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:14.639 this little Stowart's and an old store that's closed. Just 1141 01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:16.800 meet me there and you can follow me. I did, 1142 01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:19.000 and I followed him back in there. You had to 1143 01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:22.400 cross the creek in front of his house. It wasn't 1144 01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:24.920 his house. There was his great aunt's house. He was 1145 01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:28.280 living with her, him and his I think he had 1146 01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:31.199 a daughter or two and his wife. They all lived 1147 01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:36.280 there on the farm with her. And he told me, 1148 01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:38.639 he said, meet me there, and I followed me in 1149 01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:42.480 and I did, and I stopped and got out, and 1150 01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:44.159 he wanted me to look at the area of where 1151 01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:46.840 these things that killed his goats, and the goats were 1152 01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:49.320 already removed. I was hoping they had been so I 1153 01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:51.360 could see what kind of damage they had to him, 1154 01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:54.840 and he'd already hauled them off, and I think they 1155 01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:58.400 had seven goats, and whatever this creature was had killed 1156 01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:01.039 one or two over at a time, so it had 1157 01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:04.360 finally got them all. And there was real muddy around 1158 01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:07.880 the small barn shed type area, and he was showing 1159 01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:12.320 me where they were laying, and I knew immediately. He said, 1160 01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:14.960 here's the track of one of them. And when I 1161 01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:17.480 seen the track, I knew immediately it wasn't a big 1162 01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:20.559 for it. There was a dog man, because I'd seen 1163 01:06:20.679 --> 01:06:23.880 dog being tracks before, and it wasn't a hundred percent 1164 01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:25.840 past if that's what it was, but that's what he 1165 01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:29.360 looked like. And he pointed up to a field and 1166 01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:31.400 showed me where he thought they were coming in at. 1167 01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:34.760 And they come in right it dark, right before it 1168 01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:37.320 gets dark, they start coming in. And he had actually 1169 01:06:37.880 --> 01:06:41.719 run these creatures off a couple of times. He would 1170 01:06:41.719 --> 01:06:43.840 hear the goats running and he would go out the 1171 01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:46.039 door and start yelling and they would run off. I 1172 01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:50.159 guess they were scared of him, but they finally got 1173 01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:52.039 all of them. So he showed me an area where 1174 01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:55.599 I could park my truck, and it was probably about 1175 01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:57.800 one hundred yards from him. He'd go through a little 1176 01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:00.519 field area and you go up on top a heel 1177 01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:03.360 and there's a gate sho opened up to pull in there, 1178 01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:07.280 and I sat on top of that heel and I 1179 01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:10.119 sat there for well. I went back and forth for 1180 01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:12.440 about three weeks, and I was starting to get to 1181 01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:15.039 the point where I'm not going to see anything. Whatever 1182 01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:20.480 this is has left, and I was getting kind of discouraged. 1183 01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:22.639 And then I decided to go back one more time. 1184 01:07:22.719 --> 01:07:25.239 And I was sitting on this little rise and it 1185 01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:29.519 was overlooking this pasture field that was fenced in, and 1186 01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:32.320 it was probably about one hundred yards from where I 1187 01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:35.480 was setting to the woodline where the fence went across. 1188 01:07:35.559 --> 01:07:40.880 It was a fence, old square top wire fence with 1189 01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:45.920 bob wire on top. And I sat and watched for 1190 01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:48.679 like I said, nearly three weeks. And I decided I 1191 01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:50.960 go back one more time, and I told him, I said, 1192 01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:52.760 I went down and talked to him a couple of times, 1193 01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:57.440 said I'm not seeing anything. And that last evening, which 1194 01:07:57.559 --> 01:08:00.400 was going to be my last, I caught a glimpse 1195 01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:04.000 or something in the corner of this field and it 1196 01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:07.639 was coming across the fence, and I had binoculars and 1197 01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:09.880 I looked at him, and I seen something go on 1198 01:08:09.880 --> 01:08:13.519 the ground all fours and this steel had sage grass 1199 01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:16.439 in it, but it wasn't completely sage. There was patches 1200 01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:21.359 of open ground. And I seen this thing running and 1201 01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:23.800 it wasn't running like a dog. It was galloping like 1202 01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:27.840 a horse. It was very strange, and I got a 1203 01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:30.199 little alarmed. I had my gun with me next to 1204 01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:32.680 my seat and let in my seat next to me, 1205 01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:36.119 and I watched this thing running all the way down 1206 01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:38.840 across that field. It would break out of the sage grass, 1207 01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:40.880 and I could see bits and parts of it as 1208 01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:44.279 it was running. And it ran right down to the 1209 01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:48.239 almost straight ahead of where I was sitting in the truck. 1210 01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:51.479 It was about halfway in the field, and when it 1211 01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:57.840 stopped there, it stood up on its hot legs, and 1212 01:08:57.840 --> 01:09:00.279 I couldn't see the feet there was grass, but I 1213 01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:03.359 could see the bend of the leg like the hawk 1214 01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:06.560 area as it stood there, and it looked right in 1215 01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:08.920 my direction. Didn't look at me, but it looked in 1216 01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:13.800 my direction. And it stepped over the fence by itself, 1217 01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:15.840 and it went off into the woods and I didn't 1218 01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:19.640 see it, and I was pretty weirded out. I'd never 1219 01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:23.600 seen a dog man. But and it wasn't a massive creature. 1220 01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:26.159 It was probably about six foot tall. I guess, well, 1221 01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:27.840 I know what I went down there. But next the 1222 01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:29.880 next day I went back in the daylight and went 1223 01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:33.960 down there, and i'd measured it from a certain mark 1224 01:09:34.039 --> 01:09:36.760 on a tree next to that fence, and it was 1225 01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:40.039 a little over six foot I don't remember the exact 1226 01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:44.439 six one or two by a tape measure. And it 1227 01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:46.880 looked just like a German shepherd in the head, like 1228 01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:50.600 a large German a black German shepherd head is what 1229 01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:53.640 it to looked like. It had the body of a 1230 01:09:55.359 --> 01:09:58.880 human type, but it had legs and it had you know, 1231 01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:03.600 body parts more like an animal. I didn't get to 1232 01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:06.079 see it very long, but I remember the head and 1233 01:10:06.119 --> 01:10:09.920 the legs so well, and the head was just huge, 1234 01:10:10.039 --> 01:10:13.239 but it was like a black German shepherd looked identical. 1235 01:10:14.800 --> 01:10:20.079 And I went back the next day and looked around 1236 01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:24.279 and parked and walked over there, and I had my 1237 01:10:24.399 --> 01:10:26.920 gun with me, and I walked over there. I crossed 1238 01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:30.479 that fence where it had crossed over, and I walked 1239 01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:32.319 down and around that area and it went into a 1240 01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:36.560 real thick area, I'm thicket of limbs and all types 1241 01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:39.199 of bushes, and there was a little trail going through there, 1242 01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:42.479 and it followed around to the left to a bluff 1243 01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:46.439 and something had dug out up under that bluff. You 1244 01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:49.319 could see it, like a hole dug up under that bluff, 1245 01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:53.000 and like it had made a den up in there. 1246 01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:55.880 And I walked to the edge of that and I 1247 01:10:55.920 --> 01:10:58.840 could still see the track something that went up under there, 1248 01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:03.640 and there was a lot of deer bones laying around it, 1249 01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:07.000 and they were old, they weren't fresh. A lot of 1250 01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:11.279 different type bones laying around that little trail. And I 1251 01:11:11.319 --> 01:11:13.199 got a little weird feeling because I was in there 1252 01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:15.359 by myself, so I just got out of there because 1253 01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:18.720 I couldn't see around me very well. But I went 1254 01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:22.399 on back and the next day it was kind of excited. 1255 01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:25.479 I kind of brought some camera gear with me and everything. 1256 01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:27.520 I was going to try to film this thing. And 1257 01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:31.239 I came back and I was crossing the creek going 1258 01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:33.600 up to the hill there. You have to go through 1259 01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:36.119 a creek right off the main road and then you 1260 01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:37.920 go up and turn right to go to this hill 1261 01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:41.359 I was parking on and there was a game a 1262 01:11:41.479 --> 01:11:45.760 Virginia Game Wildlife Researchs officer, and a truck coming down 1263 01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:49.199 from the drive that I was going the same drive 1264 01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:50.880 he was. I was going to the right and he 1265 01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:55.119 was coming from the house where the man lived and 1266 01:11:55.159 --> 01:11:57.079 he said, what are you doing here? And I told 1267 01:11:57.119 --> 01:11:59.720 him I said, well, I have permission from the property 1268 01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:02.760 on to go up here and just look around scout it. 1269 01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:04.600 He said what are you scouting for? And I said, 1270 01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:07.600 I'll just certain animals and he said, well, there's not 1271 01:12:07.640 --> 01:12:10.920 anything in season right now. I said, I'm not here 1272 01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:13.279 to hunt them. I'm just kind of scouting. And he 1273 01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:15.920 asked for my permission slipt and I didn't have one. 1274 01:12:17.239 --> 01:12:18.920 He said, you have to have a permission swept to 1275 01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:21.520 be on somebody's property hunting. So he made me go 1276 01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:23.760 with him up to the house, and of course the 1277 01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:25.680 gentleman that lived there told him me, I gave him 1278 01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:29.479 permission to be here. He's fine and came back down 1279 01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:31.439 and he talked to me. He said, let me tell 1280 01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:34.039 you something. The best thing for you to do is 1281 01:12:34.159 --> 01:12:36.960 not to be up here. I said, well, why is that. 1282 01:12:37.079 --> 01:12:39.439 He goes, well, there's some type of creature that's been 1283 01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:43.880 killing people's livestock on the joining farms. And he goes, 1284 01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:47.279 I already know about this gentleman's coats being killed. He said, 1285 01:12:47.359 --> 01:12:49.199 best thing for you to do is get out of 1286 01:12:49.239 --> 01:12:52.199 here and don't come up here because we don't know 1287 01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:56.279 what it is, but it's killing livestock. And he said, 1288 01:12:56.279 --> 01:12:59.479 if you got a weapon, and I told him I did, 1289 01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:06.000 and he was kind of filling me out, And actually 1290 01:13:06.039 --> 01:13:08.279 I left when he did because I didn't want to 1291 01:13:08.319 --> 01:13:12.760 cause any trouble with him, and went back up there 1292 01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:15.680 a couple more times after that, but I never seen anything, 1293 01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:18.920 so I think they possibly may have killed that creature. 1294 01:13:20.680 --> 01:13:23.039 I never knew what happened to it, but that's the 1295 01:13:23.119 --> 01:13:26.600 first one I ever seen. The second one I ever 1296 01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:30.920 seen was a year later, a different day, but it 1297 01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:34.520 was I believe it was the nineteenth of October twenty two. 1298 01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:41.039 It was. That was twenty nine years or thirty years 1299 01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:45.399 the day of the actual area that Martin Groves, one 1300 01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:48.399 of my best friends, had been attacked at the land 1301 01:13:48.479 --> 01:13:52.520 between the Lakes area in Tennessee and Kentucky. And he 1302 01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:54.520 and I had been there for a couple of days 1303 01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:58.079 and we were just scouting the area, and we've did 1304 01:13:58.119 --> 01:14:00.720 it night and day. We'd hot and then getting the truck. 1305 01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:02.279 And if you've ever been to the land between the 1306 01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:05.000 lights that goes back into the middle of nowhere, there's 1307 01:14:05.119 --> 01:14:09.359 just little roads and trails that go forever. There's like 1308 01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:13.159 one hundred seventy thousand acres back in there, and it's 1309 01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:16.880 really remote. And we had been righty. It was twelve 1310 01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:19.560 after twelve at night. We had stopped and got a 1311 01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:23.239 snack and off in the woods where our lunches packed, 1312 01:14:23.279 --> 01:14:27.079 and we had stopped his truck and got out and 1313 01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:30.039 we were just riding roads hoping to see some type 1314 01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:32.760 of creature. And when I say roads, these aren't paved roads. 1315 01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:35.439 These are like dirt roads or little gravel roads that 1316 01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:38.960 cut off to the left and right, and there's nobody 1317 01:14:39.079 --> 01:14:42.079 back in there. It's in the middle. There's just nothing 1318 01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:45.920 back there. And we had just turned on that particular 1319 01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:50.640 road close to the Devil's backbone, and we were maybe 1320 01:14:50.680 --> 01:14:54.720 doing one mile an hour, and I had my window down, 1321 01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:57.600 there was warm, and he had his window down and 1322 01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:00.279 his truck and we might have been doing one mile 1323 01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:02.479 an hour. We were driving real slow, trying to keep 1324 01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:04.479 her eye out. Of course, we could see anything in 1325 01:15:04.479 --> 01:15:07.720 that area. And over to the right and knee in 1326 01:15:07.800 --> 01:15:11.039 the ditch was this huge creature. Turned out it was 1327 01:15:11.079 --> 01:15:15.279 a creek bed drown next to a covert where this 1328 01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:19.279 thing was laying, and it was staring right at me. 1329 01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:24.399 I was literally five to seven foot from this thing's head, 1330 01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:27.399 and the head was about past the size of his 1331 01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:31.439 truck window. I never seen anything like that in my life. 1332 01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:34.600 And it had kind of like a blue miss kind 1333 01:15:34.600 --> 01:15:39.000 of like a miss like behind. I couldn't see its feet, 1334 01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:40.840 but I could see it. It was crouched like a 1335 01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:42.880 cat does when it's going to jump on a mouse 1336 01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:44.880 or something. It was looking right at me. It had 1337 01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:48.640 these long, deep eyes that were clear, crystal clear, like 1338 01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:54.079 flashlights shining through had line had nane like a line, 1339 01:15:55.520 --> 01:15:57.520 and it was looking like it was going to jump 1340 01:15:57.600 --> 01:15:59.680 right on me. I looked at Martin and I said, 1341 01:15:59.720 --> 01:16:01.800 do you see And before I could get that out, 1342 01:16:01.840 --> 01:16:04.199 he goes, yeah, I see it. And there's this time 1343 01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:05.640 I thought he was going to jump right in the 1344 01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:10.039 window and get me, but it uh, you know. We 1345 01:16:10.760 --> 01:16:13.920 about that time we both got what I call zapped. 1346 01:16:14.279 --> 01:16:17.600 And I didn't get it nearly as bad as Martin did. 1347 01:16:17.720 --> 01:16:21.039 But my legs were tinely and my chest was kind 1348 01:16:21.039 --> 01:16:25.000 of felt like I had compression on it, a little headache. 1349 01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:28.520 But he got hit real bad. He was could breathe. 1350 01:16:29.119 --> 01:16:31.560 His tongue had swelled up, his throat and swelled together. 1351 01:16:31.600 --> 01:16:34.359 He says, I can't breathe. Bube. He caused me ba bah, 1352 01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:38.359 call him bab but this Tennessee slang. But I said, well, 1353 01:16:38.720 --> 01:16:42.399 let me drive. You get over and he couldn't hardly talk. 1354 01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:44.319 And about that time, this thing come out of the 1355 01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:49.199 ditch areat was in. It went behind the truck. He's 1356 01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:51.520 looking in the rearview mirror or this thing went behind 1357 01:16:51.560 --> 01:16:53.239 the truck and it didn't run. It kind of like 1358 01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:58.119 gliding across this little dirt road brown. It made a 1359 01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:01.720 right and it went through a small part of a field. 1360 01:17:02.239 --> 01:17:04.479 And a weird thing about this thing is you could 1361 01:17:04.600 --> 01:17:08.239 it was a creature. You could see the whole silhouette 1362 01:17:08.239 --> 01:17:10.520 of the creature, but you could also see through it. 1363 01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:14.600 It was transparent. And it went straight through that field, 1364 01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:17.119 and it went into the woods and went up a bank, 1365 01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:20.199 and it sounded like a bulldozer in there. There's breaking 1366 01:17:20.359 --> 01:17:25.279 limbs and sticks and everything. And I'm scared to death 1367 01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:28.439 for him because I'm thinking he can't breathe, and we're 1368 01:17:28.479 --> 01:17:30.560 trying to get out of there, and we're back in 1369 01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:34.960 the middle of nowhere. And finally we got going and 1370 01:17:35.039 --> 01:17:38.840 he sid the whole trucks. I can't smell anything. I 1371 01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:41.960 lost my smelling when I got COVID in twenty twenty. 1372 01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:45.039 I can only smell very few things, coffee and something 1373 01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:50.159 spicy occasionally. But he said the truck truck stunk so 1374 01:17:50.239 --> 01:17:53.800 bad that he couldn't already stand the smell. And we 1375 01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:56.720 finally got out on that road, on down the road 1376 01:17:56.800 --> 01:17:59.359 to what's called the Trace, the main road that goes 1377 01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:02.840 through there, got off into an area where there was 1378 01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:06.159 a lot of lights in a parking area and he 1379 01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:08.680 got out, and I was real worried about him. I 1380 01:18:08.720 --> 01:18:10.640 tried to get him go to the hospital because I 1381 01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:13.239 thought he was going to pass out because he couldn't breathe, 1382 01:18:13.359 --> 01:18:16.399 And he had improved a little bit by then. He 1383 01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:19.039 was the least able to breathe, but he couldn't hardly walk. 1384 01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:23.560 His legs were real tangling and his chest was real 1385 01:18:23.640 --> 01:18:27.279 compressed feeling. And we sat there for a good while 1386 01:18:27.720 --> 01:18:31.199 and I assisted to go to the hospital, but he 1387 01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:34.760 wouldn't do it. So he got better. He got a 1388 01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:39.720 little better. We actually drove home that night instead of 1389 01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:42.199 his stand another night because I wanted him to go 1390 01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:45.800 to the hospital or be close to the hospital. And 1391 01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:48.359 he was sick for about a week over that. Now 1392 01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:51.640 mine went away pretty quick. I was okay the next day. 1393 01:18:52.359 --> 01:18:55.520 I was a little delirious, but I was okay. But 1394 01:18:57.279 --> 01:19:02.319 he actually wrote that entire second is in his Leggous book, 1395 01:19:02.640 --> 01:19:06.840 which is based Between the Rivers, is about me and 1396 01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:13.680 his sighting in that of October of twenty two and 1397 01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:15.920 it was the strangest thing I've ever seen in my 1398 01:19:15.960 --> 01:19:18.720 whole life. I've never seen a creature like that, and 1399 01:19:18.800 --> 01:19:23.239 how it was just transparent and there's almost cartoonish looking, 1400 01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:26.880 but it was real and it could have attacked us. 1401 01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:29.159 It could have easily jumped running the window and took 1402 01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:31.760 us out because it was right next to us, but 1403 01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:34.960 it didn't. So I don't know if it was coming 1404 01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:37.560 out of a portal or what it was doing, you know, 1405 01:19:37.720 --> 01:19:40.439 but it was kind of like a blue mess behind 1406 01:19:40.479 --> 01:19:44.159 it when I first seen it, and strangest thing I've 1407 01:19:44.199 --> 01:19:50.359 ever seen. I can't even understand how it was even possible. 1408 01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:56.880 Wow, that's some encounter I can't even imagine. And this 1409 01:19:57.680 --> 01:20:01.479 the reaction to it almost sounds like his reaction that 1410 01:20:01.560 --> 01:20:03.840 your friend had there. Do you think that that was 1411 01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:07.039 something that that thing caused him to have or is 1412 01:20:07.079 --> 01:20:11.000 that just his natural reaction? Did it awaken something that's done? 1413 01:20:11.079 --> 01:20:15.640 You know, I'm starting in rept you, Steve, no, go ahead. 1414 01:20:15.880 --> 01:20:19.760 I think that I don't know how these creatures do that. 1415 01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:23.600 I've personally been zapped, as we call it, because that's 1416 01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:26.880 when I've heard it called by Bigfoot myself twice two 1417 01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:31.880 times over the last thirty two years. I've been zapped 1418 01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:35.159 by dog Man once and it was that occasion, but 1419 01:20:35.239 --> 01:20:38.239 I was nowhere near zapped as much as he was. Now, 1420 01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:40.840 you know, Barton Nunley and Martin Groves and I've sit 1421 01:20:40.920 --> 01:20:44.359 down and discussed this many times. What just does to 1422 01:20:44.439 --> 01:20:47.760 your body and what makes you feel. I just can't 1423 01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:50.680 believe it's an infrasound. I believe it's almost like a 1424 01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:56.399 radiation because it makes you just sick. And you know, 1425 01:20:56.479 --> 01:20:58.640 Martin is not in the what I would say the 1426 01:20:58.680 --> 01:21:01.560 best of health anywhere. But you know, he had a 1427 01:21:01.640 --> 01:21:05.880 real difficult time overcoming that, and I was checking on 1428 01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:09.279 him every day. You know. I go home every month 1429 01:21:09.439 --> 01:21:12.880 and nearly every month. Sometimes in the winter we don't, 1430 01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:17.760 but but we all get together, us three and lightly 1431 01:21:17.880 --> 01:21:21.359 ron Morhea. It's been with us, and but we'll go 1432 01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:25.920 out and stay in the wilderness of that area for 1433 01:21:26.199 --> 01:21:28.520 you know, two to four days at least once a minile, 1434 01:21:28.640 --> 01:21:33.600 sometimes twice. And I think it's a form of radiation 1435 01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:36.359 for what it does to you. I can't think of anything. 1436 01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:39.079 You know, Wales do in for sam but they're not 1437 01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:43.079 like this, failing it just like it's something I can't 1438 01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:45.239 even explain it. I don't know how to explain. 1439 01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:47.159 It that that's a good analogy, though it does sound 1440 01:21:47.279 --> 01:21:50.079 like something stronger and I know a lot of times 1441 01:21:50.119 --> 01:21:54.520 when there's some type of paranormal activity that'll happen. Read 1442 01:21:54.560 --> 01:22:01.600 about my black eyed kids encounter oh yeah, like their 1443 01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:04.439 eyes like she'd been exposed to radiation. And then her 1444 01:22:04.520 --> 01:22:06.920 husband and he came down with some kind of rare 1445 01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:11.760 blood cancer not long after that. And then then UFO encounters. 1446 01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:14.399 You hear that where people have like what's similar to 1447 01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:17.560 radiation burns through the effects of high dose radiation. 1448 01:22:18.439 --> 01:22:20.600 Well, I canna tell you this much. You know, Scott 1449 01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:23.960 Carpenter was a good friend of mine. You know, we 1450 01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:27.319 weren't like everyday close like Martin and Barton and I saw, 1451 01:22:27.560 --> 01:22:30.239 but you know, he was a good friend. He helped 1452 01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:33.640 me rebuke some creatures that were trying to destroy my 1453 01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:38.560 farm and my animals back in twenty twenty. And you know, 1454 01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:41.319 Scott was out numerous times, and he hiked a lot 1455 01:22:41.319 --> 01:22:44.399 of different trails up in the Smoky's and other areas 1456 01:22:44.439 --> 01:22:47.239 there and had a lot of encounters, a tremendous lot 1457 01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:51.159 of encounters. Even were portals opening behind him and stories 1458 01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:54.520 he had told me before they came to his house too. 1459 01:22:55.079 --> 01:22:59.439 And I will never believe that, you know, I mean, 1460 01:22:59.439 --> 01:23:02.800 it's that he was just a real credible, great guy 1461 01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:07.600 that we lost. Nobody will replace Scott Carpenter in his work, 1462 01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:12.359 but I'll never believe that he just passed from an aneurysm. 1463 01:23:13.319 --> 01:23:16.239 I think these things have what can take a toe 1464 01:23:16.359 --> 01:23:18.279 on your body. You know, I don't want to be 1465 01:23:18.439 --> 01:23:20.119 zapped by them, but I don't know how to stop 1466 01:23:20.159 --> 01:23:22.359 from being unless you just stay away from them altogether. 1467 01:23:23.119 --> 01:23:26.840 But it makes you wear some sort of EMF protection 1468 01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:28.640 or something you make clothing. Now. 1469 01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:33.039 You know, Joe and Jesse are good friends of mine, 1470 01:23:33.039 --> 01:23:36.079 have hel Ben Holler and they actually carry our Gegger 1471 01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:38.960 counter with him now and they have picked up radiation 1472 01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:44.720 and tracks. So I'm I'm a true believer that it 1473 01:23:44.840 --> 01:23:49.680 has some type of similar abilities of radiation. Whatever this 1474 01:23:49.800 --> 01:23:51.880 they put off when they want to. I don't know 1475 01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:54.039 why they do it, and this is in fear of 1476 01:23:54.079 --> 01:23:56.680 them of their own life, you know, with it. 1477 01:23:56.760 --> 01:24:00.079 It could be their normal way to protect him. It 1478 01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:04.439 was like it things can spray you with the high 1479 01:24:04.439 --> 01:24:06.840 dose radiation that that's frightening. 1480 01:24:07.960 --> 01:24:11.920 But you know, I think that I think that can 1481 01:24:11.960 --> 01:24:14.720 take a toe on your body, and you know, I 1482 01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:17.239 don't know what kind of effects it does have. Nobody's 1483 01:24:17.279 --> 01:24:20.279 ever studied it, but it could also it could have 1484 01:24:20.399 --> 01:24:23.760 some type of ability with him doing this numerous times 1485 01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:26.560 and maybe even weakened the arteries or the vessels in 1486 01:24:26.600 --> 01:24:30.159 your body. I don't know, but you know, I just 1487 01:24:30.239 --> 01:24:33.520 think it was I would not be surprised at all 1488 01:24:33.720 --> 01:24:38.159 if that didn't have some contribution of Scott passing, because 1489 01:24:38.199 --> 01:24:41.239 you know, he died of an aneurysm and he'd been 1490 01:24:41.359 --> 01:24:45.760 zapp a lot of times, and I find it hard 1491 01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:47.640 to believe that he just had it like that, you know, 1492 01:24:47.800 --> 01:24:50.239 and he may have. I don't know, it's my own speculation, 1493 01:24:50.479 --> 01:24:52.239 but I sure missed that guy. And he did a 1494 01:24:52.239 --> 01:24:55.920 lot for this community. So it's. 1495 01:24:57.239 --> 01:24:59.600 Legendary and for you to be friends with him, and 1496 01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:02.600 so he'll our condolences on your loss there, But he 1497 01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:04.520 was something else, that's for sure. 1498 01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:07.720 Well. I don't think his legacy will ever get away 1499 01:25:07.760 --> 01:25:10.439 from from from what any all of us that are 1500 01:25:10.520 --> 01:25:12.920 involved in it with, you know, I don't think it 1501 01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:16.640 ever will. I mean, you can look back. There's some 1502 01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:19.279 pretty crazy things that he did, and you know, and 1503 01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:21.680 he was one of the first ones that said these 1504 01:25:21.720 --> 01:25:25.359 things are coming into the city because he was walking 1505 01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:29.600 into downtown park of Knoxville, Tennessee, and had a couple 1506 01:25:29.640 --> 01:25:32.520 of shots of these things in the in the actual 1507 01:25:32.600 --> 01:25:36.039 in the woods of the parked area that you know, 1508 01:25:36.199 --> 01:25:39.880 people walk and play on the playground and everything every day, 1509 01:25:40.079 --> 01:25:44.000 So you know, the I don't think I think people are. 1510 01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:46.479 The thing about it is, it's real hard for the 1511 01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:50.119 human mind to wrap their mind around this anyway, because 1512 01:25:50.199 --> 01:25:53.399 we're raised to believe there's no monsters in the woods. 1513 01:25:53.399 --> 01:25:56.439 It's just a myth. And then when you see one, 1514 01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:59.640 it changes your whole world. It's definitely life changing. 1515 01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:04.439 That definitely shifts your personal paradigm, that's for sure. Doubt. 1516 01:26:04.520 --> 01:26:07.520 Yeah, And you got your average people walking around that 1517 01:26:07.800 --> 01:26:10.960 don't believe in this or don't follow it. How many 1518 01:26:10.960 --> 01:26:13.680 times have they passed one didn't even know what they paid. 1519 01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:16.640 Even And I've often said that the skeptic is just 1520 01:26:16.680 --> 01:26:19.159 somebody that hasn't had it, or a non believer. It's 1521 01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:22.279 just somebody that hadn't had the right experience. Yet. Sure, 1522 01:26:22.520 --> 01:26:25.359 it can happen anywhere any time in it And you're right, 1523 01:26:25.399 --> 01:26:28.000 I think there's people that stuff happened all around them 1524 01:26:28.359 --> 01:26:30.399 and because they're not open to it, or they're not 1525 01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:32.720 aware of it, or hyper aware like we are. They 1526 01:26:32.760 --> 01:26:35.680 they missed the boat on that they've experienced all kinds 1527 01:26:35.720 --> 01:26:37.119 of things and didn't even know it. 1528 01:26:37.760 --> 01:26:39.600 Either that or they put it off in their mind. 1529 01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:44.800 They don't want to believe it. So many people, so 1530 01:26:44.880 --> 01:26:47.359 many people too, are fraid to talk about it because 1531 01:26:47.359 --> 01:26:51.600 of the criticism. So how many people aren't on Facebook 1532 01:26:51.720 --> 01:26:54.760 or listening to your show or any other show? You know? People? 1533 01:26:55.039 --> 01:26:57.159 I know a lot of people, people in their fifties, 1534 01:26:57.239 --> 01:27:00.319 zoned up. They don't hardly e ring, get on Facebook. Yeah, 1535 01:27:00.399 --> 01:27:02.960 most of them don't don't even know what Facebook is. 1536 01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:07.359 A lot of people, how many that we never heard? 1537 01:27:08.119 --> 01:27:11.239 And I've found that when I was writing my first book, 1538 01:27:11.239 --> 01:27:13.279 Strange Things in the Woods, when I was collecting those 1539 01:27:13.319 --> 01:27:16.399 stories and just about i'd say ninety nine percent of 1540 01:27:16.399 --> 01:27:19.479 those people that passed on now. But there were people, 1541 01:27:19.640 --> 01:27:23.000 you know that sixty seventy eighty years old, twenty thirty 1542 01:27:23.039 --> 01:27:26.000 forty years ago when I was to start gathering these stories, 1543 01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:28.680 and they were reticent to tell that but for fear 1544 01:27:29.079 --> 01:27:31.680 of being ridiculed or trying to figure out what you 1545 01:27:31.720 --> 01:27:34.119 were up to. And had people tell me stuff that 1546 01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:36.800 their wife had never heard the story and maybe they've 1547 01:27:36.800 --> 01:27:39.760 been married forty years, you know, and it's like be 1548 01:27:39.800 --> 01:27:41.680 sitting there with us and she say, you never told 1549 01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:45.199 me about that. And another thing I like to do 1550 01:27:45.319 --> 01:27:48.399 book reading sometimes, and one of my favorite places to 1551 01:27:48.439 --> 01:27:51.640 go is a retirement home. And you know, some people 1552 01:27:51.640 --> 01:27:53.840 are like that. They're looking for something to do, and 1553 01:27:53.880 --> 01:27:56.760 they'll come and sit and hang out, do their knitting 1554 01:27:56.840 --> 01:27:58.880 or crocheting or whatever, and then leave when it's over. 1555 01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:02.039 But there's usually one or two people that will hang 1556 01:28:02.079 --> 01:28:05.000 around and I know what they're doing. The crowd kind 1557 01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:08.560 of leaves and side love to me and say, uh, 1558 01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:10.600 that reminded me. I want to tell you about something 1559 01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:13.000 that happened when I was a boy. And I love 1560 01:28:13.199 --> 01:28:16.159 those kind of stories because you know, otherwise those stories 1561 01:28:16.199 --> 01:28:18.560 die with those people if they haven't told it to anybody, 1562 01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:20.880 and that I've heard that I've never told this to anybody, 1563 01:28:21.319 --> 01:28:23.119 but you know, I feel like I can tell you, 1564 01:28:23.479 --> 01:28:27.000 and I love that their legacy lives on through my 1565 01:28:27.159 --> 01:28:29.680 stories and through my writings and stuff. And that's great 1566 01:28:29.720 --> 01:28:30.880 because otherwise it. 1567 01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:34.119 Really is a lot of great knowledge that will never replace, 1568 01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:39.359 you know, So that's that's pretty incredible. You know, all 1569 01:28:39.399 --> 01:28:42.079 the stories I've heard over the years. You know, I 1570 01:28:42.119 --> 01:28:45.039 didn't know where I believed them or not. But you know, 1571 01:28:45.079 --> 01:28:48.039 after you get around these creatures for some reason for 1572 01:28:48.159 --> 01:28:50.720 me anyway, I know it about everybody, but they seem 1573 01:28:50.760 --> 01:28:55.079 to have a way of finding that you don't ever 1574 01:28:55.159 --> 01:28:58.640 go into woods and just find a forest person or 1575 01:28:58.640 --> 01:29:02.119 a big foot. They let you see them. I so 1576 01:29:03.239 --> 01:29:06.239 they find me. And you know, Martin Groves seems to 1577 01:29:06.279 --> 01:29:10.680 have with the dog Man dog Man creatures more than 1578 01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:11.520 anybody I know. 1579 01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:14.399 But yeah, the girl that I interviewed that went and 1580 01:29:14.439 --> 01:29:17.399 lived up on chat Mount Shasta and had the experiences, 1581 01:29:17.479 --> 01:29:20.319 and she said that they eased her into it, like 1582 01:29:20.359 --> 01:29:22.399 she would see them, see them peek out from behind 1583 01:29:22.439 --> 01:29:25.760 a tree, or maybe hear a little bit of a 1584 01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:29.640 noise or mumbling, and then gradually they came to trust 1585 01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:31.840 her within that five months that she lived up there, 1586 01:29:32.279 --> 01:29:36.039 and she saw them regularly after that. But she said 1587 01:29:36.039 --> 01:29:38.159 they had that ability. She said she would see them 1588 01:29:38.279 --> 01:29:41.279 walk behind the tree, not come out the other side, 1589 01:29:41.520 --> 01:29:43.760 go right to it, walk all the way around. It's 1590 01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:46.239 just not there anymore, kind of like you were talking about. 1591 01:29:46.760 --> 01:29:49.079 So I believe. I don't know if it's portals where 1592 01:29:49.079 --> 01:29:52.039 they have the ability to change their frequency. You know, 1593 01:29:52.199 --> 01:29:54.319 just a light. You look at the light, the spectrum 1594 01:29:54.359 --> 01:29:57.279 of light. We only see a fraction of that right 1595 01:29:57.279 --> 01:30:00.000 in the middle. There's stuff on either end that's beyond it. 1596 01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:04.039 Are hearing and seeing and understanding, and I think they 1597 01:30:04.079 --> 01:30:07.760 know either how to manipulate that, or it's just something 1598 01:30:07.800 --> 01:30:10.079 they've learned to do, or maybe something that's that's born 1599 01:30:10.159 --> 01:30:12.760 into them that as. 1600 01:30:14.279 --> 01:30:17.520 A camera system. For example, there's been plenty of people 1601 01:30:17.560 --> 01:30:20.800 that I've watched something in the woods. They didn't know 1602 01:30:20.840 --> 01:30:23.000 what it was, and when they took pictures of it 1603 01:30:23.079 --> 01:30:25.000 and got home lighter and looked at it, they see 1604 01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:28.079 a creature. They can't see it with their own eye. 1605 01:30:29.079 --> 01:30:33.479 And that's why I don't like people criticizing people. Especially 1606 01:30:33.479 --> 01:30:36.199 in our group. We don't allow it. But you'll see 1607 01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:39.840 people post a blurry picture or something that's kind of 1608 01:30:39.840 --> 01:30:43.439 hard to see. But just because you don't see it 1609 01:30:43.520 --> 01:30:46.880 don't mean it's not there. So I mean there's people 1610 01:30:46.960 --> 01:30:50.079 that the one who took the picture probably can see 1611 01:30:50.079 --> 01:30:52.000 it a whole lot better than the one he's showing 1612 01:30:52.039 --> 01:30:56.800 it to. So these things have a way of the 1613 01:30:56.840 --> 01:30:59.600 best camouflage in the world. They can look just like 1614 01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:03.199 a book. I don't know how they do it, but 1615 01:31:04.319 --> 01:31:05.079 pretty imagine. 1616 01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:08.720 I've heard stories of ones that could disguise themselves. Like 1617 01:31:09.600 --> 01:31:12.359 I had a story from one guy that I thought 1618 01:31:12.359 --> 01:31:14.359 he was watching a stump and he's like, I've been 1619 01:31:14.399 --> 01:31:16.319 down here a bunch of times, and I don't remember 1620 01:31:16.399 --> 01:31:18.800 that stump ever been here. And about the time he 1621 01:31:18.800 --> 01:31:21.640 thought that it turned into some kind of creature and 1622 01:31:21.680 --> 01:31:25.840 got up have walked away. So they and rocks, they 1623 01:31:26.560 --> 01:31:29.399 they turned themselves into rocks. Now the I think it's 1624 01:31:29.399 --> 01:31:31.920 the Algonquins, one of the tribes here in New England, 1625 01:31:32.680 --> 01:31:35.520 and uh in the Bennington Triangle. There's stories of creatures 1626 01:31:36.239 --> 01:31:39.119 that can disguise themselves as rocks, and when you step 1627 01:31:39.159 --> 01:31:41.319 on it or step over it, they can open up 1628 01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:44.319 and swallow you and then get whatever substance they need 1629 01:31:44.319 --> 01:31:47.079 out of you, spit you back out. And there was 1630 01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:50.159 one guy that was hunting up their experienced hunter and 1631 01:31:50.600 --> 01:31:53.159 they found him in the woods and he looked like 1632 01:31:53.199 --> 01:31:56.000 he had been this is what' said in the official report. 1633 01:31:56.039 --> 01:31:59.840 It looked like he'd been squeezed to death. So what's 1634 01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:02.119 the woods that consqueeze you to death? Well, maybe a 1635 01:32:02.159 --> 01:32:06.000 sasquatch or maybe a rock creature that swallows you and 1636 01:32:06.039 --> 01:32:08.159 spit you out. There's so much out there that we 1637 01:32:08.239 --> 01:32:11.279 don't understand, Darryl, and that's why it fascinates me. 1638 01:32:12.399 --> 01:32:15.000 Now, I think there's you know, if people would be 1639 01:32:15.079 --> 01:32:19.039 a little more open minded to people who have seen things, 1640 01:32:19.880 --> 01:32:22.159 it would make it a whole lot easier for the community. 1641 01:32:22.439 --> 01:32:26.760 Regardless of where you're on Facebook or a show like 1642 01:32:26.920 --> 01:32:30.640 you have or anything. If they could not feel ridicule, 1643 01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:32.479 they would you would probably hear a lot more of 1644 01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:34.039 these stories than you hear now. 1645 01:32:35.680 --> 01:32:37.800 Yeah, And I've had people thank me for you know, 1646 01:32:38.520 --> 01:32:41.000 they say, I feel like it's okay to talk about this. 1647 01:32:41.119 --> 01:32:44.239 I've carried this around with me some people since childhood, 1648 01:32:44.600 --> 01:32:47.119 and now they've got a place, a forum, a platform 1649 01:32:47.479 --> 01:32:49.800 where they can talk about it with other like minded 1650 01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:54.199 rock like minded individuals or experiences, and they don't feel ostracized. 1651 01:32:54.239 --> 01:32:56.319 They like they're going to be made fun of or ridiculed. 1652 01:32:56.359 --> 01:32:59.279 And I like being able to provide that for people. 1653 01:33:00.119 --> 01:33:02.600 You do a great job with you see, you really did. 1654 01:33:03.600 --> 01:33:06.359 I appreciate you. And I know there's so many others 1655 01:33:06.399 --> 01:33:11.000 that's pretty obvious. With the followers you've got, so it's 1656 01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:14.680 definitely a pleasure to share my experiences with you, and 1657 01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:16.640 I've got a lot more, but it would take a 1658 01:33:16.680 --> 01:33:18.720 lot of time to go into them. I'm just one 1659 01:33:18.760 --> 01:33:21.640 of those kind of people that just happened to be 1660 01:33:21.720 --> 01:33:23.840 around them. I don't know how that happened. 1661 01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:27.880 Well, And I've felt that way about the paranormal. Uh 1662 01:33:28.000 --> 01:33:30.479 for a long time. I thought that every house I've 1663 01:33:30.520 --> 01:33:33.399 ever lived in was haunted to some degree, and then 1664 01:33:33.560 --> 01:33:35.720 just in the last decade or so, I've come to 1665 01:33:35.720 --> 01:33:38.119 realize that it's not so much of the houses. It's 1666 01:33:38.199 --> 01:33:42.000 me that's haunted, because I've had roommates and stuff that 1667 01:33:42.199 --> 01:33:45.479 lived there for years and nothing ever happened. I move 1668 01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:50.000 in and the place goes crazy with I think it's me, 1669 01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:55.399 and I've heard of that, so I wouldn't have it 1670 01:33:55.439 --> 01:33:56.039 any other way. 1671 01:33:56.560 --> 01:33:59.960 It seems like some people are just maybe it's there 1672 01:34:00.079 --> 01:34:03.159 or I don't know what it is. Maybe it's just 1673 01:34:03.239 --> 01:34:06.840 the way they're made or their bloodline, you know. I 1674 01:34:06.840 --> 01:34:10.760 don't really know what causes that, but I definitely know 1675 01:34:10.880 --> 01:34:13.600 that I'm different than a lot of people because of 1676 01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:17.079 being around so many of these things. So because I've 1677 01:34:17.079 --> 01:34:19.720 got friends that hunting the woods for forty plus years, 1678 01:34:19.720 --> 01:34:24.119 they never seen anything. And maybe they have, but they 1679 01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:26.680 didn't know it. But they don't believe in them. They 1680 01:34:26.720 --> 01:34:29.119 think they don't believe I'm lying. They just think I've 1681 01:34:29.159 --> 01:34:32.199 said it's always I've seen a bear. Well, I've seen 1682 01:34:32.199 --> 01:34:34.279 a lot of bears. 1683 01:34:35.199 --> 01:34:38.600 Yeah, I've seen bears in the while too. And the 1684 01:34:38.640 --> 01:34:41.159 stuff I've seen that scared meself. It was not a bear. 1685 01:34:41.640 --> 01:34:43.600 I mean, I know what a bear is, and that's what. 1686 01:34:44.439 --> 01:34:46.800 Was it a bear? Was it a deer? Was it just? 1687 01:34:46.960 --> 01:34:47.039 No? 1688 01:34:47.199 --> 01:34:49.319 I know what all those things look like, and this 1689 01:34:49.520 --> 01:34:52.840 wasn't any of those things. And I think hunters are 1690 01:34:52.880 --> 01:34:56.319 probably more aware, but even then, depending on what you're hunting, 1691 01:34:56.319 --> 01:34:58.359 you may not be looking up. And I did a 1692 01:34:58.399 --> 01:35:01.039 little experiment one time. I was up near Cleanan the Dome. 1693 01:35:01.399 --> 01:35:04.319 I climbed up a tree near a regular trail there, 1694 01:35:04.880 --> 01:35:07.640 and I couldn't tell you how many people just walked 1695 01:35:07.720 --> 01:35:10.479 right below me, kept right on both directions, had no 1696 01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:12.479 idea that I was up in a tree watching them. 1697 01:35:12.720 --> 01:35:14.840 I could have been anything. I could have been a 1698 01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:16.560 big cat. I could have been a snake going to 1699 01:35:16.640 --> 01:35:18.920 drop down on them. I could have been a human 1700 01:35:19.000 --> 01:35:23.920 predator with ill will. But no, people are not very aware, 1701 01:35:23.920 --> 01:35:25.840 and that's that's what happens, like in a lot of 1702 01:35:25.840 --> 01:35:29.079 these cases that we cover where people just aren't paying attention. 1703 01:35:29.199 --> 01:35:31.399 And you know, there are places you get into one 1704 01:35:31.479 --> 01:35:34.600 misstep and that's it. There are not a lot of 1705 01:35:34.600 --> 01:35:37.279 second chances out there. Mother Nature is a harsh mistress. 1706 01:35:37.279 --> 01:35:38.399 I heard somebody say. 1707 01:35:38.840 --> 01:35:42.239 I agree with that, and I would suggest not anybody, 1708 01:35:42.680 --> 01:35:47.079 not anybody, you know, go hiking into the woods, you know, 1709 01:35:47.319 --> 01:35:50.720 deep in by themselves. You know. The weird thing about 1710 01:35:50.760 --> 01:35:54.760 the woods is when not time comes, it's a whole 1711 01:35:54.760 --> 01:35:57.960 different world, it really is. 1712 01:35:58.119 --> 01:36:01.119 It's not at all like the daytime. There's things out 1713 01:36:01.159 --> 01:36:03.960 there in the dark, and I can test to that. 1714 01:36:04.000 --> 01:36:07.319 I've heard things, smell things, seen things that just aren't 1715 01:36:07.359 --> 01:36:10.119 there in the daytime. Man, there's a whole different feeling. 1716 01:36:10.159 --> 01:36:12.880 I mean, it's a palpable change when the sun goes 1717 01:36:12.920 --> 01:36:15.399 down and you're out there. That's when you're really at 1718 01:36:15.399 --> 01:36:17.920 the mercy of nature, I think, is when you're out 1719 01:36:17.920 --> 01:36:18.760 there in the dark. 1720 01:36:19.800 --> 01:36:22.520 I've been pretty deep in by myself and I don't 1721 01:36:22.520 --> 01:36:26.119 do it anymore. But when I was first got into research, 1722 01:36:26.199 --> 01:36:28.680 I would go in by myself quite often. Of course 1723 01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:32.199 it wasn't ten miles, but I've been ten miles in 1724 01:36:32.319 --> 01:36:36.840 by myself, and I wouldn't do it now, but I've 1725 01:36:36.880 --> 01:36:40.319 done it. But I don't think it's safe for anybody 1726 01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:44.720 to do any of that type hiking long, long periods 1727 01:36:44.760 --> 01:36:48.560 of hiking themselves. But you know, it is a little 1728 01:36:48.680 --> 01:36:51.560 it's pretty much proven that most of the people disappear, 1729 01:36:52.399 --> 01:36:56.680 they're all by theirselves, very few of them. There'll be 1730 01:36:56.760 --> 01:36:58.079 sometimes do. 1731 01:36:58.079 --> 01:37:00.399 You hear of a couple or a group of people 1732 01:37:00.720 --> 01:37:03.399 going missing together. It's usually one person will break off 1733 01:37:03.439 --> 01:37:06.079 and I'm gonna walk ahead or I'm gonna sit down. 1734 01:37:06.119 --> 01:37:08.680 You guys, I'll catch up with you and then see 1735 01:37:08.680 --> 01:37:10.560 them get this and go around to the curve in 1736 01:37:10.600 --> 01:37:14.159 the trail, and then they're just gone and leave no trace. 1737 01:37:14.279 --> 01:37:16.399 That's that's what I don't get. Like we were talking 1738 01:37:16.399 --> 01:37:19.520 about earlier, a big cat or a bear or something 1739 01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:22.760 like that, there's gonna be forensic evidence. I've seen photos 1740 01:37:23.199 --> 01:37:26.239 of cat attacks, a bear attacks, and it's not pretty. 1741 01:37:26.239 --> 01:37:29.479 I mean, there's blood, there's a tissue, the torn clothing, 1742 01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:34.079 the ground cover is torn up, and there's been people 1743 01:37:34.159 --> 01:37:36.760 missing where there was absolutely no shred of any kind 1744 01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:37.319 of evidence. 1745 01:37:38.119 --> 01:37:39.880 Well, you know, even some of the ones that they 1746 01:37:40.520 --> 01:37:43.279 when they do find them, to me, it's so weird. 1747 01:37:43.319 --> 01:37:46.239 They'll find a lot of them in two or three 1748 01:37:46.239 --> 01:37:50.720 inches of water. Yeah, I mean it makes them say it. 1749 01:37:50.720 --> 01:37:52.680 So I find their shoes and their clothes and a 1750 01:37:52.720 --> 01:37:56.239 little pile next to the creek mine and they'll find 1751 01:37:56.239 --> 01:37:59.800 them in just enough water that would be very difficult 1752 01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:05.439 round there. And you know, some of those autopsies, if 1753 01:38:05.600 --> 01:38:07.960 you normally come back, they don't know how they died or. 1754 01:38:10.159 --> 01:38:14.760 Left the tail or just other than maybe hypothermia or 1755 01:38:14.760 --> 01:38:18.319 something like that. But again, and a lot of people 1756 01:38:18.520 --> 01:38:21.319 die within just a short distance of the trail. 1757 01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:25.439 Although or they've got searchers and they've covered that area 1758 01:38:25.560 --> 01:38:28.119 ten times, and they'll find them there two guys later 1759 01:38:28.159 --> 01:38:29.359 in the same area they cover. 1760 01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:32.920 Yeah, that's almost like if there is something out there 1761 01:38:32.920 --> 01:38:36.199 taking people that it's taunting those search and rescue people. 1762 01:38:36.760 --> 01:38:40.159 That's happened time and time again where a person has 1763 01:38:40.199 --> 01:38:43.000 been found in an area that was previously searched. And 1764 01:38:43.399 --> 01:38:46.119 I participated in some search and rescue stuff back when 1765 01:38:46.159 --> 01:38:50.319 I was much younger, and we walked not quite shoulder 1766 01:38:50.359 --> 01:38:52.239 to shoulder, but you could almost reach out and touch 1767 01:38:52.239 --> 01:38:54.640 the person next to you. You walk that close, it 1768 01:38:54.680 --> 01:38:57.039 would be hard to miss unless you know they're in 1769 01:38:57.079 --> 01:38:58.159 a hole or covered up. 1770 01:38:58.880 --> 01:39:03.039 I'm not doing those green it searches. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1771 01:39:03.159 --> 01:39:05.680 those seem to be pretty credible, And I don't know 1772 01:39:05.720 --> 01:39:09.359 how many times I've heard that if they did find someone, 1773 01:39:10.159 --> 01:39:12.439 it was in that area that they've been over four 1774 01:39:12.520 --> 01:39:13.720 or five times. 1775 01:39:13.960 --> 01:39:18.319 Yeah, but then again, the obverse of that, I played 1776 01:39:18.319 --> 01:39:23.119 Devil's advocate here. There's a lot of I've heard other 1777 01:39:23.159 --> 01:39:25.720 search and rescue teams say that that, you know, it's 1778 01:39:25.760 --> 01:39:28.439 like finding a needle in a haystack if we don't 1779 01:39:28.479 --> 01:39:32.279 know where they even disappeared from exactly. Sometimes they're not 1780 01:39:32.319 --> 01:39:34.800 even sure what trail these people, And so that's why 1781 01:39:35.079 --> 01:39:38.079 it's important to leave an itinerary, either in your car 1782 01:39:38.279 --> 01:39:40.199 or with somebody you know that will come look for 1783 01:39:40.279 --> 01:39:43.119 you if you don't check in. But if they don't 1784 01:39:43.159 --> 01:39:45.439 have if you decide to go another route or take 1785 01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:47.399 a different trail, they're not even going to know where 1786 01:39:47.439 --> 01:39:50.720 to look. And you know, these places thousands, hundreds of 1787 01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:53.760 thousands of acres, some of them could be anywhere, and 1788 01:39:53.800 --> 01:39:55.920 you look at like the drone footage and stuff like 1789 01:39:55.960 --> 01:40:00.680 I use on my videos show people at a cliff face, 1790 01:40:01.039 --> 01:40:03.239 and then that zooms out and keeps zooming out and 1791 01:40:03.279 --> 01:40:04.640 zooming out and zoom up to the point that you 1792 01:40:04.680 --> 01:40:06.319 can't even see the people. I mean, they're not even 1793 01:40:06.359 --> 01:40:09.439 as big as ants. And then imagine trying to go 1794 01:40:09.560 --> 01:40:12.760 in a place like that and find a person. They 1795 01:40:12.760 --> 01:40:14.840 could be anything. I could be under a rock or 1796 01:40:15.039 --> 01:40:17.479 behind a bush. 1797 01:40:17.720 --> 01:40:20.520 Well, you know, if I was going to go so low, 1798 01:40:21.199 --> 01:40:24.000 even with a group. I've gotten to the point where 1799 01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:27.000 I try to carry one of those personal satellite beacons. 1800 01:40:27.279 --> 01:40:30.239 Okay, yeah, the perstional locator beacons. I wouldn't go in 1801 01:40:30.279 --> 01:40:32.520 the woods without one. I don't care if you're going 1802 01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:35.520 for a day hike. Things could always go south and 1803 01:40:35.840 --> 01:40:39.239 something can go wrong. And I've had people laugh at me, 1804 01:40:39.359 --> 01:40:42.000 but always I over prepared. If I was going out 1805 01:40:42.039 --> 01:40:44.279 for a day hike, I had enough food and water 1806 01:40:44.560 --> 01:40:46.720 to last me for a couple of days. I had 1807 01:40:46.760 --> 01:40:50.439 a fire source, I had where permissible, I had a firearm. 1808 01:40:50.960 --> 01:40:53.119 I had a flint and steel something to start a 1809 01:40:53.199 --> 01:40:55.399 fire with, you know, And they're like, you know, you're 1810 01:40:55.439 --> 01:40:58.760 just going out for a hike in the state park, 1811 01:40:58.800 --> 01:41:01.800 you're not doing the Apple Life trail and say, but still, 1812 01:41:01.920 --> 01:41:04.239 you never know. I'd rather have it and not need 1813 01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:05.560 it than need it and not have it. 1814 01:41:06.199 --> 01:41:08.479 You know. Stay. We are so many cases of people 1815 01:41:08.520 --> 01:41:11.720 who did come back that were missing that I've heard 1816 01:41:12.279 --> 01:41:16.039 numerous stories of. They say they were hiking a trail 1817 01:41:16.239 --> 01:41:18.439 or something in the woods that they're familiar with, and 1818 01:41:18.479 --> 01:41:20.399 then all of a sudden they'd never seen the place 1819 01:41:20.479 --> 01:41:21.319 they were before. 1820 01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:25.319 Yeah, and that's what makes me think there's portals, there's 1821 01:41:25.359 --> 01:41:28.239 something out there. I've covered cases like that and even 1822 01:41:28.319 --> 01:41:32.880 interviewed people where I was hiking along and suddenly I realized, 1823 01:41:32.920 --> 01:41:34.720 all of a sudden, I'm not on the trail. I 1824 01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:36.840 look back behind me. I can't even see where the 1825 01:41:36.880 --> 01:41:40.199 trail was. I was on right now now. And you know, people, 1826 01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:42.600 when you're lost, just part of human nature, I reckon 1827 01:41:42.680 --> 01:41:45.800 you tend to walk in circles and that just expends 1828 01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:47.520 a lot of energy for nothing. So that's why they 1829 01:41:47.520 --> 01:41:50.079 tell you, if you are lost, stay put and wait 1830 01:41:50.119 --> 01:41:53.159 for help, especially if you've got a way to let 1831 01:41:53.159 --> 01:41:56.680 people know that you're lost. But I've often said, if 1832 01:41:56.720 --> 01:41:58.359 I ever get lost in the woods, I'm going to 1833 01:41:58.399 --> 01:42:00.720 start the biggest forest fire they've ever say. Nothing. 1834 01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:04.800 Yeah, I think it was Mount Rainier. I could be 1835 01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:07.159 wrong on this location, and I think that's where it 1836 01:42:07.199 --> 01:42:09.680 was at. There was a gentleman who vanished the air cup. 1837 01:42:10.399 --> 01:42:14.039 It's been six or seven years ago, and they sent 1838 01:42:14.119 --> 01:42:17.760 search teams in for days and weeks and couldn't find 1839 01:42:17.840 --> 01:42:20.920 anything of him. And there was a journalist up there 1840 01:42:21.760 --> 01:42:24.960 like weeks after this happened, and she was hiking the 1841 01:42:25.000 --> 01:42:28.279 same area that he was in tried to find any 1842 01:42:28.279 --> 01:42:32.479 evidence for herself, and she could hear this man yelling, 1843 01:42:32.640 --> 01:42:36.760 help me, and it went on for hours, help me, 1844 01:42:37.119 --> 01:42:41.399 help me, and she couldn't see anything. She couldn't figure 1845 01:42:41.439 --> 01:42:46.000 out where he was yelling from. But by what she recounted, 1846 01:42:46.680 --> 01:42:50.199 I'm here, help me. Somebody helped me, and it was 1847 01:42:50.279 --> 01:42:53.880 like he was in another dimension or something and couldn't 1848 01:42:53.920 --> 01:42:58.600 find his way back. And finally it died down and 1849 01:42:58.640 --> 01:43:01.000 she went and got help and told them, hey, listen, 1850 01:43:01.039 --> 01:43:04.159 this guy's yelling help me. And they search and searts 1851 01:43:04.199 --> 01:43:08.399 and never found anything. But it was lucky, Like I said, 1852 01:43:08.439 --> 01:43:11.119 he was in some other topic dimension and he could 1853 01:43:11.159 --> 01:43:13.159 see them on or he could hear them and he 1854 01:43:13.279 --> 01:43:14.159 was yelling, help me. 1855 01:43:14.720 --> 01:43:16.720 Yeah, I covered the case one time a woman had 1856 01:43:16.720 --> 01:43:19.720 gone missing and she could see the searchers. She couldn't 1857 01:43:19.720 --> 01:43:22.479 get to them because of the brush and stuff where 1858 01:43:22.520 --> 01:43:25.039 she was at, but she could see them. She was yelling, 1859 01:43:25.119 --> 01:43:26.920 she was waving, she was man and she said they 1860 01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:29.960 just went right past her. So again, that points to 1861 01:43:30.039 --> 01:43:33.359 something that what is that. I think there's portals, or 1862 01:43:33.399 --> 01:43:40.199 there's time slips or something that happens out there. 1863 01:43:40.239 --> 01:43:43.439 There's something we don't understand and I don't know what 1864 01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:45.880 it is. But you know how many times have you 1865 01:43:45.920 --> 01:43:48.119 heard about these kids? They'll find them on top of 1866 01:43:48.279 --> 01:43:50.520 bluff that nobody could even climb. 1867 01:43:51.399 --> 01:43:55.000 Yeah. A couple of years ago covered that Riker webcase. 1868 01:43:55.119 --> 01:43:58.800 A kid wandered off and they found him two miles away. 1869 01:43:58.840 --> 01:44:00.840 He had had to go like up a mountain and 1870 01:44:00.880 --> 01:44:03.960 down the other side. He was at a cabin out 1871 01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:09.600 in their shed, sleeping or resting in a grasp bag 1872 01:44:09.760 --> 01:44:11.600 for the mower to catch grass, and they heard him 1873 01:44:11.640 --> 01:44:13.840 talking and there, but apparently he was just talking to himself. 1874 01:44:14.520 --> 01:44:17.039 And the pictures when they brought him out of there, 1875 01:44:17.239 --> 01:44:20.279 he's wearing these little footy pajamas. His feet aren't even dirty, 1876 01:44:20.520 --> 01:44:22.640 and then it rained and snowed. You not told me 1877 01:44:22.760 --> 01:44:25.760 that kid walked for two miles in the mountains in 1878 01:44:25.800 --> 01:44:27.680 those footy pajamas didn't even get dirty. 1879 01:44:28.279 --> 01:44:30.399 Makes no sense at all. It's hard. It's hard to 1880 01:44:30.399 --> 01:44:33.560 fathom it really is. It really is. How could it 1881 01:44:33.600 --> 01:44:34.239 be possible. 1882 01:44:36.079 --> 01:44:41.039 It's indeed a strange world out there. Well, I'm gonna 1883 01:44:41.039 --> 01:44:43.000 go ahead and cut this one short tonight, but I'd 1884 01:44:43.079 --> 01:44:45.680 like to have you come back sometime and talk some. 1885 01:44:45.680 --> 01:44:48.439 About Darter to come back. Stay. Thank you so much 1886 01:44:48.439 --> 01:44:51.000 for having me on, and I hope the audience enjoyed 1887 01:44:51.399 --> 01:44:53.399 what I could tell him that I've experienced. 1888 01:44:53.399 --> 01:44:55.359 Oh, I'm sure they will. And I appreciate that that 1889 01:44:55.479 --> 01:44:57.399 exclusive there that you gave us. She said, you never 1890 01:44:57.720 --> 01:44:59.880 told that before. Any of your friends knew it, but 1891 01:45:00.479 --> 01:45:02.399 you'd never talked about it on any show that you've 1892 01:45:02.399 --> 01:45:02.760 been on. 1893 01:45:03.399 --> 01:45:05.479 Yeah, you know, I've always been kind of leary of 1894 01:45:05.560 --> 01:45:08.079 telling it. You know, I was even shocked myself when 1895 01:45:08.079 --> 01:45:10.960 I heard it, and you know, because a lot of 1896 01:45:10.960 --> 01:45:14.399 people won't believe that, but it happened, and it was 1897 01:45:14.640 --> 01:45:17.960 so shocking to me at the time. You know, it 1898 01:45:18.039 --> 01:45:20.279 was really shocking when I heard that word. 1899 01:45:20.439 --> 01:45:25.319 You know, Yeah, that's amazing. Well, tell the people where 1900 01:45:25.319 --> 01:45:26.239 they can find you at. 1901 01:45:27.680 --> 01:45:30.560 You can find me at Bigfoot Believers and other Creatures. 1902 01:45:30.720 --> 01:45:35.720 And I appreciate if you would support me and our 1903 01:45:35.760 --> 01:45:37.640 group and join if you're not a member, and. 1904 01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:42.640 Yeah on Facebook. Yeah I'll put a link in the 1905 01:45:42.640 --> 01:45:43.239 show notes. 1906 01:45:43.960 --> 01:45:46.800 And you know, if you wouldn't mind supporting my good 1907 01:45:46.800 --> 01:45:49.920 friend Barton Unley and human Ods. He has a new channel, 1908 01:45:50.039 --> 01:45:54.079 and uh, he's just a super most nice guy you 1909 01:45:54.159 --> 01:45:55.079 ever meet. Barton. 1910 01:45:56.039 --> 01:45:58.119 Martin's a great guy. Like I said, he wrote some 1911 01:45:58.159 --> 01:46:00.239 stuff for me that I narrate and turned into into 1912 01:46:00.239 --> 01:46:03.560 a project called Weird World that's on this channel or 1913 01:46:03.760 --> 01:46:05.920 actually on my YouTube channel. I forget where I'm at. 1914 01:46:05.920 --> 01:46:08.640 Sometimes I'm on the radio right now, but that's up 1915 01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:12.399 on my YouTube channel. But Barton's got some amazing stories too. 1916 01:46:12.439 --> 01:46:16.319 And then Humanoids, it's one of my favorite books. 1917 01:46:16.479 --> 01:46:20.680 Great friend and plitician, he both. And also you know, 1918 01:46:20.800 --> 01:46:23.319 Martin Grove has been my best friend forty two years. 1919 01:46:23.359 --> 01:46:25.039 He's got a new book coming out. If you had 1920 01:46:25.159 --> 01:46:27.199 seen his books, you had to check him. They're amazing. 1921 01:46:27.600 --> 01:46:29.199 I will check him out and. 1922 01:46:32.079 --> 01:46:35.119 If you won't hear anything about the quantum of how 1923 01:46:35.119 --> 01:46:37.399 these things can change the way they do. 1924 01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:39.720 I'm going to look that one up. I've got that 1925 01:46:39.880 --> 01:46:42.640 in my Amazon cart. Thanks for the tip on that, 1926 01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:44.720 And I'm going to talk to Barton and see if 1927 01:46:44.720 --> 01:46:48.399 I get him on here. He's very entertaining individual. Have 1928 01:46:48.479 --> 01:46:50.520 you yet to meet the man? I was supposed to 1929 01:46:50.520 --> 01:46:54.000 go to Josh Turner at a dog band conference the 1930 01:46:54.039 --> 01:46:56.439 first time? Are you there? 1931 01:46:57.039 --> 01:46:59.680 Yeah? And wrote down together. 1932 01:46:59.640 --> 01:47:01.520 I did didn't make it either. One. I was supposed 1933 01:47:01.520 --> 01:47:04.239 to be at the first one in Paris, Tennessee, and uh, 1934 01:47:04.399 --> 01:47:07.159 I'd actually rented a hunting cabin in the Land Between 1935 01:47:07.199 --> 01:47:10.399 the Lakes area, So I found out. I spoke at 1936 01:47:10.399 --> 01:47:13.720 a UFO conference in San Francisco a few years ago, 1937 01:47:13.760 --> 01:47:16.079 and I found out that it's not a good idea 1938 01:47:16.119 --> 01:47:18.840 to stay at the venue because I couldn't step outside 1939 01:47:18.880 --> 01:47:22.039 my hotel room door people wanting selfies or want me 1940 01:47:22.039 --> 01:47:27.520 to sign this or that people and stuff. So yeah, 1941 01:47:27.560 --> 01:47:29.680 I thought, well, I'll stay here in Land between Lakes. 1942 01:47:29.720 --> 01:47:31.800 I was looking forward to what would happened up there, 1943 01:47:31.840 --> 01:47:33.239 But then the person that was going to drive me 1944 01:47:33.279 --> 01:47:35.640 there came down with COVID and I didn't get to 1945 01:47:35.680 --> 01:47:37.920 make the trip and then had a lot of other 1946 01:47:37.960 --> 01:47:40.319 stuff going on this year, couldn't go to one in Texas. 1947 01:47:40.319 --> 01:47:43.119 But maybe one day my wife and I'll make it 1948 01:47:43.119 --> 01:47:44.159 to one of those conference. 1949 01:47:44.199 --> 01:47:47.439 Yeah, you know the first dog Man conference of course, 1950 01:47:47.520 --> 01:47:48.800 Josh Turner Man Josh. 1951 01:47:48.800 --> 01:47:50.840 If you don't know Josh, he's a good game. 1952 01:47:51.199 --> 01:47:53.520 You got to meet Josh because Josh is a trade 1953 01:47:53.640 --> 01:47:56.479 good hearted individual. He hadn't always seen that way, but 1954 01:47:56.560 --> 01:47:59.600 he really is. His first conference I'm in then Nemeros 1955 01:47:59.600 --> 01:48:02.600 conference is but that was, and I've been fortunate enough 1956 01:48:02.600 --> 01:48:04.199 to be a speaker at quite a few of them. 1957 01:48:04.199 --> 01:48:08.039 But he's he's just incredible. Josh is and he's he 1958 01:48:08.279 --> 01:48:13.159 also I'm in chapter four of his book, Bigfoot Encounters, 1959 01:48:13.199 --> 01:48:17.520 along with over other people. But uh, he's really Uh 1960 01:48:17.560 --> 01:48:19.439 he has some great conferences. 1961 01:48:19.600 --> 01:48:19.880 Uh. 1962 01:48:20.279 --> 01:48:22.800 I'd say that the first dog Man conference he had 1963 01:48:22.800 --> 01:48:25.279 in Mween Lakes was the best conference I've ever been to. 1964 01:48:25.960 --> 01:48:28.359 Of course, that was the first time Martin had finally 1965 01:48:28.359 --> 01:48:30.880 broke down and told his story on the show. Martin 1966 01:48:30.920 --> 01:48:35.079 Groves on the stage and you know, uh, just I 1967 01:48:35.119 --> 01:48:38.600 appreciate everyone and uh, and you know, Joe and Jesse 1968 01:48:38.800 --> 01:48:40.840 do a lot of hell then holler. These guys were 1969 01:48:40.880 --> 01:48:43.319 in the woods. I don't know anybody's boots on the ground, 1970 01:48:43.359 --> 01:48:45.560 like they are they going to lbl by the wasself 1971 01:48:45.640 --> 01:48:51.800 in the middle of the night and just walk for miles. Yeah, 1972 01:48:52.039 --> 01:48:55.119 they're pretty brave. You know. We've had some incredible counters there. 1973 01:48:55.439 --> 01:48:57.640 Yeah. But that's that's the best way to do it. 1974 01:48:57.680 --> 01:49:01.399 I mean, that's you canfully you have a chance encounter. 1975 01:49:01.479 --> 01:49:03.680 But I think if you get out there and look 1976 01:49:03.720 --> 01:49:06.399 for it, then you're you're more likely to maybe I 1977 01:49:06.439 --> 01:49:08.000 don't know, not all Well, you know. 1978 01:49:07.960 --> 01:49:10.560 Your chances of encountering something are going to increase, and 1979 01:49:10.600 --> 01:49:13.520 you put yourself close to them, so you know you've 1980 01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:15.199 got at least for you out there. You can't just 1981 01:49:15.239 --> 01:49:18.039 sit in a chair and expect to see one. 1982 01:49:18.399 --> 01:49:21.760 Yeah. Well there again, it's been a pleasure speaking to you. 1983 01:49:22.199 --> 01:49:24.600 I'll put the link in the show notes see if 1984 01:49:24.640 --> 01:49:27.199 I can get Barton to join us on here. But 1985 01:49:27.800 --> 01:49:29.079 thanks again for all that you do. 1986 01:49:29.199 --> 01:49:31.520 To thank you again, David, and I appreciate you getting 1987 01:49:31.560 --> 01:49:34.520 me plug my friends and people, and I'm very honored 1988 01:49:34.520 --> 01:49:36.199 to be on your show, Steve. I'll be glad to 1989 01:49:36.199 --> 01:49:36.960 come back again. 1990 01:49:37.279 --> 01:49:42.039 All right. Absolutely. Listeners here on Clydelissen's ground zero Radio Network, 1991 01:49:42.479 --> 01:49:44.640 well really appreciate the stories you had to tell, and 1992 01:49:44.680 --> 01:49:47.199 we'll ask for you to come back. So you have 1993 01:49:47.239 --> 01:49:49.880 a good evening and stay blessed. Daryl, thanks again, are 1994 01:49:49.960 --> 01:49:50.279 you too? 1995 01:49:50.399 --> 01:49:51.039 Thank you, Steve. 1996 01:49:52.239 --> 01:49:55.039 I'm Steve Stockton. You've been listening to everything out there 1997 01:49:55.159 --> 01:49:58.479 on the Clyde Lewis ground zero Radio Network. I'll see 1998 01:49:58.479 --> 01:50:01.239 a little further on down the trail. Tell your animals 1999 01:50:01.279 --> 01:50:02.800 that said Hi, good night everybody.