Speaker 1: You're listening to everything out there with your host Steve Stockton.
Speaker 1: Hello friends now. The legend of Bigfoot, also known as Sasquatch,
Speaker 1: has captivated the imaginations of people around the world for centuries.
Speaker 1: Described as a large, hairy, ape like creature inhabiting remote forests,
Speaker 1: Bigfoot has become an enduring mystery and a subject of
Speaker 1: intense speculation. Despite numerous reported sightings, footprints, and eyewitness accounts,
Speaker 1: the existence of Bigfoot remains unproven. This episode will explore
Speaker 1: the history, cultural significance, aledged evidence, and scientific perspectives surrounding
Speaker 1: the elusive creature known as Bigfoot. The origins of Bigfoot
Speaker 1: can be traced back to the indigenous peoples of North America,
Speaker 1: who for centuries have shared tales of large, wild, hairy
Speaker 1: beings that inhabit the dense forests. Various Native American tribes
Speaker 1: have different names and interpretations of this creature, emphasizing its
Speaker 1: cultural significance. The term Sasquatch, for example, itself, is derived
Speaker 1: from the Halkomilem language spoken by indigenous peoples in the
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest. The first recorded encounters with a creature resembling
Speaker 1: Bigfoot in mainstream Western culture occurred in the nineteenth century.
Speaker 1: Early European settlers in North America began reporting strange encounters
Speaker 1: with large, hairy creatures, and stories of such encounters spread
Speaker 1: across the continent. These accounts laid the foundation for the
Speaker 1: modern day legend of Bigfoot. Bigfoot has become deeply ingrained
Speaker 1: in popular culture and sending its origins in Native American folklore.
Speaker 1: The creature has inspired a plethora of books, movies, documentaries,
Speaker 1: and television shows. From the famous Patterson Gimlin film shot
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven th reality TV series like Finding Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: the legend of Bigfoot has permeated various forms of media,
Speaker 1: making it a cultural icon. The allure of Bigfoot lies
Speaker 1: in its mysterious nature and the sense of adventure associated
Speaker 1: with a quest for an elusive, undiscovered creature. Bigfoot has
Speaker 1: become a symbol of the untamed wilderness and the unknown,
Speaker 1: tapping into humanity's primal fear and fascination with the wild.
Speaker 1: One of the most cited pieces of evidence supporting the
Speaker 1: existence of Bigfoot is the discovery of large human like
Speaker 1: footprints in remote areas. These footprints, often measuring between fifteen
Speaker 1: to twenty four inches in length have been found in
Speaker 1: various locations around the world, with some instances dating back
Speaker 1: over a century. While many of these prints can be
Speaker 1: attributed to hoaxes or misidentifications of animal tracks, some remain unexplained,
Speaker 1: fueling speculation about the creature's existence. Sightings of Bigfoot have
Speaker 1: been reported across North America, with witnesses describing a creature
Speaker 1: standing between seven to ten feet tall, covered in dark fur,
Speaker 1: and possessing a distinctly ape like appearance. However, skeptics argue
Speaker 1: that many of these sightings can be attributed to misidentifications
Speaker 1: of known animals such as bears or large primates. In
Speaker 1: addition to both footprints and sightings, witnesses have hearing mysterious
Speaker 1: vocalizations in areas associated with bigfoot sightings. These alleged sounds
Speaker 1: include house brunts and screams that are often described as
Speaker 1: unlike any known animal. Researchers and enthusiastic alike claim that
Speaker 1: these vocalizations provide further evidence of Bigfoot's existence, while critics
Speaker 1: argue that they can be attributed to other animals or
Speaker 1: even human activities. Despite the wealth of anecdotal evidence and
Speaker 1: the passionate efforts of Bigfoot researchers. The scientific community remains
Speaker 1: largely skeptical about the existence of Bigfoot. The lack of
Speaker 1: conclusive physcal evidence, such as a body or skeletal remains,
Speaker 1: has been a significant hurdle for those advocating for Bigfoot's reality.
Speaker 1: Critics argue that many purported pieces of evidence, including footprints
Speaker 1: and photographs, can be explained through natural process, hoaxes, or misinterpretations.
Speaker 1: The scientific method demands verifiable, repeatable evidence, and until such
Speaker 1: evidence is presented, mainstream science is unlikely to accept Bigfoot
Speaker 1: a valid biological entity. One of the challenges in studying
Speaker 1: Bigfoot scientifically is the lack of a clear hypothesis about
Speaker 1: the creature's biology and behavior. Proponents of Bigfoot's existence often
Speaker 1: struggle to provide a consistent and testable model for the
Speaker 1: creature's physiology, habitat, and ecological role. Skeptics and researchers alike
Speaker 1: have proposed various explanations for Bigfoot sightings and evidence. Some
Speaker 1: suggest that witnesses may be encountering misidentified animals such as
Speaker 1: bears or large primates, as I stated earlier. Others argue
Speaker 1: that hoaxes, whether intentional or unintentional, play a significant role
Speaker 1: in perpetuating the myth of Bigfoot. Throughout history, there have
Speaker 1: been numerous instances of individuals creating fake footprints, photographs, and
Speaker 1: even elaborate hoaxes to attract attention or perpetuate the legend
Speaker 1: of Bigfoot. These hoaxes, combined with the limitations of eyewitness
Speaker 1: testimony and the human tendency to perceive patterns in random stimuli,
Speaker 1: contribute to the difficulty of separating fact from fiction in
Speaker 1: the study of Bigfoot. While the debate over Bigfoot's existence continues,
Speaker 1: the legend has had a tangible impact on the areas
Speaker 1: associated with sightings. Bigfoot hotspots such as the Pacific Northwest
Speaker 1: and parts of the Appalachian Mountains have become tourist attractions,
Speaker 1: drawing enthusiasts and curious visitors alike. Local economies have capitalized
Speaker 1: on the creature's mystique, with businesses selling Bigfoot themed merchandise
Speaker 1: and offering guided tours in some cases. The legend of
Speaker 1: Bigfoot has also played a role in conservation efforts. The
Speaker 1: idea of an undiscovered large mammal roaming the wilderness has
Speaker 1: led to increased interest in preserving the habitats where Bigfoot
Speaker 1: is said to reside. Conservation organizations have used the creature's
Speaker 1: legend to raise awareness about the importance of protecting these
Speaker 1: ecosystems and the biodiversity they contain. The legend of Bigfoot
Speaker 1: continues to captivate the public's imagination, blending folklore, mystery, and
Speaker 1: the primal fear of the unknown. While countless sightings, footprints,
Speaker 1: and vocalizations have been reported, the scientific community remains unconvinced,
Speaker 1: demanding verifiable evidence before acknowledging the existence of such a creature.
Speaker 1: Despite the skepticism, the cultural impact of Bigfoot persists, turning
Speaker 1: the elusive creature into a symbol of the wilderness and
Speaker 1: a source of fascination for generations to come. Whether Bigfoot
Speaker 1: is a mythical creature born from folklore or an undiscovered
Speaker 1: species waiting to be revealed, the legend endures, leaving the
Speaker 1: world to wonder what secrets the dense forests might still conceal.
Speaker 1: Another cryptid will be discussing tonight is the dog Man.
Speaker 1: Now in the realm of cryptozoology, a field dedicated to
Speaker 1: the study of creatures whose existence has not been proven
Speaker 1: by mainstream science, the dog Man stands as a mysterious
Speaker 1: and elusive figure described as a creature with the body
Speaker 1: of a man and the head of a canine. The
Speaker 1: dog Man has become the subject of numerous reports, sightings,
Speaker 1: and speculative theories. In this episode will also delve into
Speaker 1: the origins of the dog Man legend, its cultural significance,
Speaker 1: the legend encounters, and the scientific perspectives surrounding this enigmatic creature.
Speaker 1: Much like Bigfoot, the origins of the dog Man legend
Speaker 1: can be traced back to American folklore, particularly in the Midwest,
Speaker 1: where tales of encounters with a humanoid creature possessing K
Speaker 1: nine features have circulated for decades. One of the earliest
Speaker 1: and most well known incidents dates back to eighteen eighty
Speaker 1: seven in Wexford County, Michigan. The incident involves two lumberjacks
Speaker 1: who claimed to have encountered a creature with the body of
Speaker 1: a man and the head of a dog, sparking the
Speaker 1: beginning of the dog Man legend. These early accounts were
Speaker 1: often shared through the oral tradition, contributing to the legends
Speaker 1: evolution over time. In the nineteen eighties, the legend gained
Speaker 1: wider recognition through the song the Legend by Steve Cook,
Speaker 1: broadcast Automichian radio station. The song recounted the alleged events
Speaker 1: in Wexford County and further fueled interest in the dog Man,
Speaker 1: leading to an increase in reported sightings and encounters. Similar
Speaker 1: to other cryptids like Bigfoot or the Lognoss Monster, the
Speaker 1: dog Man has become ingrained in popular culture, inspiring a
Speaker 1: range of creative expressions. The creature has appeared in various
Speaker 1: forms of media, including literature, art, music, and television. The
Speaker 1: dog Man's dual nature, combining humanoid and canine features, adds
Speaker 1: an element of horror and fascination to its portrayal, making
Speaker 1: it a popular subject in horror stories and urban legends.
Speaker 1: The dog Man has also found a place in local folklore,
Speaker 1: becoming a symbol of the unexplored and mysterious aspects of
Speaker 1: the natural world. Communities with reported dog Man sightings often
Speaker 1: embrace the legends as part of their cultural heritage, organizing events, festivals,
Speaker 1: and even creating local businesses centered around the creature. The
Speaker 1: legend of the dog Man has therefore become a cultural touchstone,
Speaker 1: lending folklore with a modern fascination for the unknown. Reports
Speaker 1: of dog Man encounters typically describe a creature standing upright
Speaker 1: on two legs, possessing a muscular and humanoid body, but
Speaker 1: with the distinctively canine head. Witnesses often mentioned sharp teeth,
Speaker 1: pointed ears, and glowing or reflective eyes. The size of
Speaker 1: the creature is reported to vary, with some accounts describing
Speaker 1: a relatively small creature, while others depict a towering figure
Speaker 1: reaching heights of seven feet or more on The most
Speaker 1: famous alleged encounters with the dog Man occurred in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty one in Paris, Michigan. The witness Robert Fortney claimed
Speaker 1: of seen a creature resembling the dog Man while on
Speaker 1: a camping trip. Fortney reported that the creature circled his
Speaker 1: campsite and emitted a guttural growl before disappearing into the darkness.
Speaker 1: This account, along with others, has contributed to the mystique
Speaker 1: surrounding the dog Man and has led to the creation
Speaker 1: of a community of enthusiasts and researchers dedicated to investigating
Speaker 1: the phenomenon. The scientific community largely dismisses the existence of
Speaker 1: dog Man, attributing reported sightings to misidentifications, hoaxes, or simply
Speaker 1: the influence of popular culture. Skeptics argue that eyewitness testimony
Speaker 1: is in heir unreliable, often influenced by preconceived notions, fear,
Speaker 1: or external factors. Additionally, the lack of physical evidence, such
Speaker 1: as remains, DNA samples or clear photographs, poses a significant
Speaker 1: challenge to those advocating for the reality of the dog man. Cryptozoology,
Speaker 1: the field that studies creatures like the dog man, is
Speaker 1: often criticized for its reliance on anecnotal evidence and its
Speaker 1: departure from the rigorous scientific method. The burden of proof
Speaker 1: rests on those claiming the evidence of such creatures, and
Speaker 1: until verifiable evidence is presented, mainstream science will remain skeptical.
Speaker 1: Skeptics and researchers propose several explanations for reported dog man encounters.
Speaker 1: One common suggestion is that witnesses may be encountering non animals,
Speaker 1: so as large canids, wolves or coyvities, bears, or even
Speaker 1: misidentified humans. The human tendency to perceive patterns and familiar shapes,
Speaker 1: known as paradolia, could also contribute to the misinterpretation of
Speaker 1: ordinary objects or animals as something more mysterious. Hoaxes are
Speaker 1: another prevalent aspect of the dog Men phenomenon. The allure
Speaker 1: of perpetuating a crypted legend, gaining attention, or simply having
Speaker 1: a bit of fun has led some individuals to create
Speaker 1: elaborate hoaxes, including stage photographs, fictional eyewitness accounts, and even
Speaker 1: fabricated physical evidence. These hoaxes not only muddy the waters
Speaker 1: for legitimate researchers, but also contribute to the skepticism surrounding
Speaker 1: the dog Man. While the scientific community remains unconvinced, the
Speaker 1: legend of the dog Men continues to thrive in popular culture,
Speaker 1: manifesting in various forms of entertainment. Books, movies, documentaries, and
Speaker 1: podcasts explore the myth, contributing to its perpetuation and the
Speaker 1: ongoing fascination with Drifts. Communities associated with reported dog Man's
Speaker 1: sightings have embraced the legend, incorporating it into local lore
Speaker 1: and tourism. Vestivals, guided tours, and events centered around the
Speaker 1: creature attract both enthusiasts and curious visitors, injecting economic vitality
Speaker 1: into these regions. The legend of dog Man stands as
Speaker 1: a testament to humanities and during fascination with the mysterious
Speaker 1: and unknown. Rooted in American folklore and perpetuated through the decades,
Speaker 1: the dog Man has become a cultural icon, inspiring creativity, speculation,
Speaker 1: and a sense of wonder. While the scientific community remains
Speaker 1: skeptical and emphasizes the need for verifiable evidence, the legend persists,
Speaker 1: leaving us to ponder the thin line between myth and reality,
Speaker 1: whether the dog Man is a creature that eludes scientific
Speaker 1: understanding or merely a product of humans imagination. Its impact
Speaker 1: on culture and enduring a lord of the unknown continue
Speaker 1: to shape our perception of the crypted world. Well again,
Speaker 1: and welcome back to everything out there. Steve Stockton here
Speaker 1: with you tonight. Joining me on the phone is Darryl Denton,
Speaker 1: a friend of mine runs Bigfoot Believers and Other Creatures
Speaker 1: group on Facebook. Daryl, how are you doing today?
Speaker 2: Doing great? Save Honored to be on here with you, brother,
Speaker 2: Thanks for asking me.
Speaker 1: Oh, excited to have you here. I'm member of your group.
Speaker 1: I think I'm an admin over there, and I believe
Speaker 1: you tag me as a group expert. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know about that.
Speaker 2: But uh, we all know there is no expert. It's
Speaker 2: just a technical phrase that book allows us to use.
Speaker 1: So yeah, usually if if I hear somebody introduce as
Speaker 1: an expert, I go the other way because can't be
Speaker 1: an expert in stuff that you don't have proof for
Speaker 1: it necessarily. Now, I've had some experiences and stuff myself,
Speaker 1: but and I've studied this stuff since years, you know,
Speaker 1: since the late sixties, early seventies, and I've got.
Speaker 2: A I've been a huge train for a long time.
Speaker 2: I can't remember. I know that yours was about the
Speaker 2: first one I started listing two years ago, have a
Speaker 2: meaning that was but still still my favorite one.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that there, And yeah, I just you know,
Speaker 1: had an interest in the strange, the paranormal, the unusual
Speaker 1: from early childhood due to some experiences I had, and
Speaker 1: then got into the cryptids, probably early seventies when I
Speaker 1: was still small, still in the single digits and just
Speaker 1: kind of lights me up. And I've had, you know,
Speaker 1: just a lifetime of that. And I've lived in the
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest and had some experiences out there and some
Speaker 1: almost sighting. So one time, I'll talk about that one later.
Speaker 1: But what was your experience what got you into the
Speaker 1: Bigfoot and other cryptids and creatures.
Speaker 2: Well, I was growing up in Tennessee. You know, I
Speaker 2: had I honted a lot. I was any kind of
Speaker 2: whatever season was over, you know me open, I mean
Speaker 2: me and my dad, my brothers or my grand you
Speaker 2: know and my granddad or my uncles. We would We
Speaker 2: always hunted. That was just part of growing up there.
Speaker 2: That was part of the life we lived. And I
Speaker 2: never really I believe that possibly, you know, things lived.
Speaker 2: I just didn't think we had any quit you know,
Speaker 2: large creatures like a bigfoot in Tennessee. But uh, that's
Speaker 2: what got me in. In November of ninety two, I
Speaker 2: was at my grandfather's farm where I'd hunted all my
Speaker 2: life and it was a pretty large farm. And when
Speaker 2: his farm ended, he had close friends that joined his
Speaker 2: farm and I can hunt there or two. I didn't care.
Speaker 2: I didn't mind at all. In November the sixth of
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two, I was in my tree staying and
Speaker 2: this monster came out of the out of the big
Speaker 2: cane taking on the crete river bank. And that's what
Speaker 2: got me started in. It just literally scared me to death.
Speaker 2: Tell me about six or seven years to get over that.
Speaker 2: So that's what got me into it.
Speaker 1: Now, this this monster is he describing you think it
Speaker 1: was a big foot or sometime it was a dog man,
Speaker 1: some kind of bipedal creature, or what was your impression
Speaker 1: of it?
Speaker 2: Oh, No, it was definitely a big foot, and I
Speaker 2: did a lot of research on it. And after that happened,
Speaker 2: and you know, there wasn't a lot to research in
Speaker 2: ninety two. I mean, I don't even think I had
Speaker 2: a cell phone then, but you know, there wasn't any
Speaker 2: Google or computer stuff that I knew how to operate,
Speaker 2: or the ever ridden near anybody that had one. So
Speaker 2: I might me spend my time at the libraries and
Speaker 2: stuff trying to find pictures of this thing I'd seen.
Speaker 2: And my granddad told me when I ran back to
Speaker 2: the house terrified. You know, it was a good ways
Speaker 2: from where i'd hunted at before. There it was like
Speaker 2: two or three hollows over and it was a lot
Speaker 2: deeper in where I had not hunted before. And he
Speaker 2: told me what i'd seen. He called it a wood burger,
Speaker 2: and I'd never heard of a wood burger, and you know,
Speaker 2: he was I was pretty frightened, and I started going
Speaker 2: to the libraries and places like that trying to find
Speaker 2: pictures of these bigfoot and just happened to be a
Speaker 2: page in there that showed I believe it said ten
Speaker 2: different type of bigfoot creatures. And I don't know how
Speaker 2: many there are different ones, but that's what it's said.
Speaker 2: I think there's probably even more than that different, but
Speaker 2: now I do, since I've learned so much over the years.
Speaker 2: But the number two in the picture, it said number
Speaker 2: two Woodburger. That was the second picture in that in
Speaker 2: that particular book that I looked at, and it looked
Speaker 2: just like what I'd seen, except the eyes were read
Speaker 2: in this picture, and the one I seen just had
Speaker 2: dark eyes with yellow or white around the people. So
Speaker 2: that's what got me into it. I became terrified and
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what i'd seen.
Speaker 1: And I've heard that term wood booger when I was
Speaker 1: grown up in Tennessee, and another one I used to
Speaker 1: hear my granny called it. She was in case Coverty
Speaker 1: the Smokies. She called a run at you. She said,
Speaker 1: now there's run atches out there. And I said what's
Speaker 1: that and she said, oh, you'll find out. I said,
Speaker 1: it'll run at you. So I never had any real
Speaker 1: what I consider bigfoot experiences in East Tennessee, but I
Speaker 1: knew people that did years before it was a thing
Speaker 1: to talk about. I heard some stories when I was
Speaker 1: doing my first book, Strange Things in the Woods, about
Speaker 1: what sounded like Bigfoot type creatures from in the mid
Speaker 1: to late sixties in East Tennessee. But you know, there
Speaker 1: wasn't really known or talked about at that time, around
Speaker 1: that times when you had the Patterson Gimblin.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, that definitely was what put in
Speaker 2: the nineteen sixty seventh pictures. Definitely what put Bigfoot on
Speaker 2: the map. Yeah, by far Right, and my friend Dad
Speaker 2: had saying these creatures. You know, he never told me
Speaker 2: about a big fit and I thought they might exist
Speaker 2: or in never thought about it a lot. But if
Speaker 2: they did, it was probably out on the Pacific North Coach,
Speaker 2: you know, Washington or Oregon or British Columbia or somewhere
Speaker 2: around that area California. I didn't didn't know they were
Speaker 2: in Tennessee, but they are and they still are, and
Speaker 2: I've had many encounters and experiences since then. But my
Speaker 2: granddad said he was ninety two years old at that time,
Speaker 2: lived out in the middle of nowhere bysel My grandmother
Speaker 2: and he were still married. They were married for seventy
Speaker 2: nine years, but she lived in town. She wanted modern
Speaker 2: conveniuses and he didn't. So after you know, he told me,
Speaker 2: I've seen four. My granddad always called me boy. He
Speaker 2: never called me by my name. He called me boy.
Speaker 2: He said, I've seen four in my lifetime, and I've
Speaker 2: heard a lot more than that. And know they were
Speaker 2: watching me, but I couldn't see him. And I said, well,
Speaker 2: why didn't you tell me about it? Those times? They said,
Speaker 2: what if I did, you'd never hunted in the woods,
Speaker 2: or camped in the barn, or camped out with your
Speaker 2: friends and family cousins here. So I didn't want to
Speaker 2: mess up your adventure. And he was probably wrong about that.
Speaker 2: If I didn't know most things existed, I wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been camping out or in the woods.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's something to be said for that.
Speaker 1: We lived out in the country. I had a twenty
Speaker 1: six and a half acre farm, and I spent most
Speaker 1: of my time in the woods. I never did see
Speaker 1: anything like that that I considered a big boot, but
Speaker 1: I had some strange experiences and things out there a
Speaker 1: couple of I've been scared three times in my entire life,
Speaker 1: and two of them happened there, or well, one of
Speaker 1: them a real scary one second most time been scared.
Speaker 1: But like I said, that one story that I collected,
Speaker 1: I heard a similar story from two different people right
Speaker 1: around the same area, so I think that was probably
Speaker 1: the same one. And then my dad's from over on
Speaker 1: the Cumberland Plateau of the Benches County, and I heard
Speaker 1: a story from a guy that lived over there close
Speaker 1: to where my dad grew up. Guy that lived in
Speaker 1: the other next farm over several miles away, had gashed
Speaker 1: his leg open with an axe and they'd called an
Speaker 1: ambulance to come and pick him up. Ambulance was run
Speaker 1: the code, so they had the sirens going. And this
Speaker 1: guy he lived, I think to the east of where
Speaker 1: this other farm was. Well, he said, to the west.
Speaker 1: When that siren went by, he heard some kind of
Speaker 1: creature calling back that was making a similar whooping sound
Speaker 1: of what that ambulance was. And he said it made
Speaker 1: all the hair raise up on the back of his neck.
Speaker 1: But that place over there, there's their farm, the family
Speaker 1: farm where my dad grew up. It's over nine hundred
Speaker 1: and something acres and backed up to the Big South
Speaker 1: Fork on the Tennessee side, and he talked about a
Speaker 1: place that, as people say, look, squatchy, it's over there.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of Native American stuff over there, a
Speaker 1: lot of bluffs and places where they lived, worked and things,
Speaker 1: and could go over there when they plowed the fields.
Speaker 1: After they plowed in the first rain, you could walk
Speaker 1: those fields and find arrowheads and stuff on top of
Speaker 1: the ground. So there's been people that lived in there
Speaker 1: for millennia. But there's you get that feeling that there's
Speaker 1: something watching you in there. You get far enough out
Speaker 1: in the woods, and I've had that in the Smokies too. Again,
Speaker 1: never saw anything in the Smokies. The strangest non encounter
Speaker 1: that ever had was in just outside Damascus, Virginia. I
Speaker 1: was doing a little bit on the Appalachian Trail and
Speaker 1: i'd gone off trails in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: I had a headlamp on, and something started pelting me
Speaker 1: with just small round river rocks and I wasn't anywhere
Speaker 1: near a river, and They're just coming out of the
Speaker 1: woods like in a straight line. They weren't like somebody
Speaker 1: was bobbing them. They just flying. I didn't even feel
Speaker 1: them hitting me. But I heard them hitting the ground
Speaker 1: and I picked one up and it was warm to
Speaker 1: the touch. And I'd been hearing, you know, some tree
Speaker 1: knocks and some warps and stuff. And when it started
Speaker 1: throwing rocks at me, I thought, you know, I better
Speaker 1: turn around and go another way, and I did. And
Speaker 1: I've since thought about that, and I don't think they
Speaker 1: were after me. I think they were warning me against something.
Speaker 1: I think if i'd continued on the path I was on,
Speaker 1: there was probably a bear or a big cat or
Speaker 1: something back there that I didn't want to run into
Speaker 1: in the dark.
Speaker 2: Well, what I've learned from these creatures. You know, it
Speaker 2: took me a long time ago my first encounter, because
Speaker 2: I was quite fearful of even going to woods anymore.
Speaker 2: I didn't hunt for about seven years, and you know,
Speaker 2: it was very strange. I had not mayors and everything
Speaker 2: for quite a long time. And the first two or
Speaker 2: three weeks after that, you know, I had friends that
Speaker 2: were still hunting there with me. We had my camp
Speaker 2: right in next to the barn, and they hunted and
Speaker 2: I stayed in the house and my granddad. I didn't
Speaker 2: hunt the rest of the time. That was opening day
Speaker 2: that I had. That happen in black Powder season, and
Speaker 2: you know, I found out over since then. If I
Speaker 2: hadn't run into the second plan I run into on
Speaker 2: the Common River, I probably would have never gotten over it.
Speaker 2: But those are so different than the first one I'd seen,
Speaker 2: and they really become my friends. I visit them early
Speaker 2: every day, and that was by complete accident. I was
Speaker 2: fishing when one of them were kept stealing my men
Speaker 2: a bucket. But there's a lot of different type of
Speaker 2: these creatures. I've learned that there's the real friendly type
Speaker 2: that make the exes in the woods large exes, and
Speaker 2: then there's other ones that are those what I call
Speaker 2: the real forest people. The other ones are a sasquatch
Speaker 2: or a bigfoot, which are very similar, some of them
Speaker 2: looking to those. But a lot of those aren't very friendly.
Speaker 2: They're aggressive, they'll bluff charge you. They just don't like
Speaker 2: humans and don't want to be around them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I heard other people talk about that how
Speaker 1: they're just like any kind of animal, if that's indeed
Speaker 1: what they are. That the ones like, you know, you
Speaker 1: go to one area the squirrels, or this way, you
Speaker 1: go somewhere else the squirrels or maybe darker. You've got
Speaker 1: the red squirrels and dogs. Look how many different dog
Speaker 1: breeds there are, yet they're all dogs. So I agree.
Speaker 1: And heard some stories about Mount Shasta, and I've been
Speaker 1: up there a couple of times. That's a weird place.
Speaker 1: But I interviewed a girl who lived in Texas and
Speaker 1: just felt a pull to Shasta. She quit her job
Speaker 1: and bought a bunch of outdoor equipment and went and
Speaker 1: lived on the slopes in Shasta for I think five months,
Speaker 1: and she encountered She called them three people, and they
Speaker 1: were friendly and benevolent and stuff to her. But so
Speaker 1: that's not always the case. And again, I think it's
Speaker 1: just just like people, there's good and bad, and I
Speaker 1: think it's that way with Sasquatch or save or bigfoot
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call it. And I met
Speaker 1: Bob Gimlin at I was in Squatch Fest in Longview, Washington.
Speaker 1: Went up there a couple of times when I lived
Speaker 1: in Oregon. But he seems sincere. He just I think
Speaker 1: he's in his nineties or something now, but just to
Speaker 1: hear him recount it and just you know, he just
Speaker 1: he seems very genuine.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, you know I don't know how anybody couldn't
Speaker 2: believe in the Patterson gamblin. I mean, it's been deep
Speaker 2: by everybody in the industry that's tried to break it
Speaker 2: down that it wasn't what it was. And I think
Speaker 2: MK Davis probably done him and Thinker Thocker I thought,
Speaker 2: probably done the best obserbitation on the breaking down the
Speaker 2: body parts and the muscles of anybody I've seen. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's definitely incredible. I don't know how anybody could make.
Speaker 1: Us say, try to claim that it's a costume stuff.
Speaker 1: But if you look at costumes in TV and film
Speaker 1: at that time, they didn't have the know how to
Speaker 1: make anything that convincing. I mean, you watch Gillian's Island.
Speaker 1: You know the guy in the Grilla costume at the
Speaker 1: Beverly Hill Bill. He said, you can tell it's a costume,
Speaker 1: but that and the thing that got made was the
Speaker 1: part that gives aways. The female has those pendulous breasts
Speaker 1: and they kind of swing or swing. Nobody would have
Speaker 1: been thinking about that. If they're making a costume.
Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of hard to find a seven and
Speaker 2: a half foot they're estimating female running around, or even
Speaker 2: a male. There's not very many seven and a half
Speaker 2: foot people. So yeah, that alone now to get people's attention.
Speaker 2: Plus you know, the gate and the walk is so
Speaker 2: different than a human, especially the arms swing. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: pretty credible. I'm one that believes in.
Speaker 1: It, and I believe in it. Just threw my own
Speaker 1: studying into it. And like I said, the gate and
Speaker 1: just the different parts of it, I think they encountered
Speaker 1: whatever that was and it really was something non human
Speaker 1: or at least partially human.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I truly believe these things are an ancient people.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're an ape at all. I took
Speaker 2: a long time, and the ones on the river, I
Speaker 2: was with them for about nearly three years, or a
Speaker 2: little longer than three years. But I learned a lot
Speaker 2: from them, and they do have their own language. They
Speaker 2: do no human language, and I have some American Native
Speaker 2: blood and met My grandmother was Lakota sue, so I
Speaker 2: know the Lakota language most of it and I can
Speaker 2: speak it. And I introduced them as a chai U Tako,
Speaker 2: which means big elder leader of the forest, and they
Speaker 2: knew exactly what I was talking about. So it was
Speaker 2: pretty amazing, you know. I tried my best to get
Speaker 2: them to talk to me. Just nearly every time I
Speaker 2: go in, i'd tell them my name, Please tell me
Speaker 2: your name. I don't think I've ever told this on
Speaker 2: anybody's show before, but my closest friends know about it.
Speaker 2: I've told them years ago. But I did this for
Speaker 2: maybe two and a half years. Every time I go in,
Speaker 2: and when I was leaving, I would say bye. And
Speaker 2: I actually gave these ancient people, which I call the
Speaker 2: poorest people, some whistles, some plastic whistles. I gave them everything.
Speaker 2: I'd give them different gifts, but I gave them some
Speaker 2: of these plastic whistles. And every time I'd go in,
Speaker 2: they would start blowing the whistles. They knew it was me,
Speaker 2: they knew my voice said blow these whistles and get excited,
Speaker 2: and you could hear them running and jumping and everything
Speaker 2: else until I got in and got set down. Then
Speaker 2: I'd stopped blowing them. But you know, I asked them
Speaker 2: for a long time, please tell me your name, And
Speaker 2: I didn't really realize. I never heard them speak a sentence.
Speaker 2: But the female that was the one I was most
Speaker 2: friendly with, she wasn't a grown one. She was a juvenile,
Speaker 2: mid juvenile, over five foot, but they're very intelligent. And
Speaker 2: I went in and I said, my name is Daryl.
Speaker 2: Please tell me your name, and I would practically that
Speaker 2: gave it up. I thought, well, maybe they can't talk
Speaker 2: for that, I know what I'm saying. And I was
Speaker 2: looking away and she went Aliatha, real out of deep voice, Aliath,
Speaker 2: And I thought, what what do you did you say that?
Speaker 2: I just looked at her. I kept looking. I said,
Speaker 2: Aliatha is your name? And she shook her head and
Speaker 2: it was I got two words out of that plan
Speaker 2: in over three years, and that was one of them.
Speaker 2: And they do know who Jesus Christs are. Now, these
Speaker 2: are the forest people, the ones that make the exes
Speaker 2: in the woods. I never heard sentences or any thing
Speaker 2: like that, but I did get a name out of her,
Speaker 2: and it was very important. At that time, I was excited.
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that they could even speak a word.
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, since then, I've heard you know
Speaker 2: quite a few people doctor Matthew Johnson. Lot people think
Speaker 2: doctor j is crazy. I don't at all. After what
Speaker 2: I experienced on the river for about three years. He
Speaker 2: experienced a lot of the things I did, and I
Speaker 2: didn't even know about him, but I found out about
Speaker 2: him probably ten years after all that happened. And he's
Speaker 2: had a lot of similar experiences, and he's had a
Speaker 2: lot more direct conversation with him than I have. I've
Speaker 2: never heard him speak sentences or anything like that, but
Speaker 2: a word I did get out of that female, and
Speaker 2: I'll never forget that moment. It was very extraordinary. Once
Speaker 2: you said I leave, I thought, and I've never forgot
Speaker 2: that name.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. That is some story there, darn some experience
Speaker 1: that you had. And that's the thing. You know, when
Speaker 1: people that are skeptics or non believers try to deboke stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, I know what in my experiences. I know
Speaker 1: what I've seen, I know what I felt, I know
Speaker 1: what I heard, and nobody's ever going to convince me otherwise.
Speaker 1: I mean, it'd be like turning on your stove by
Speaker 1: and then putting your hand on it and then somebody
Speaker 1: tell you that ain't hot, it didn't burn you.
Speaker 2: I know, I gave up back you know when it
Speaker 2: when I had my first encounter, you couldn't tell anybody.
Speaker 2: I mean, you tell your friends. I even asked my
Speaker 2: friends were hunting. I said, you ever seen anything down
Speaker 2: in these woods? As long as we've been coming here,
Speaker 2: We've been coming there four or five years. We'd stay
Speaker 2: a whole week of opening black powder, which we call
Speaker 2: muzzle n And they said, no, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: And all my friends always called me big D because
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm six five and two to eighty
Speaker 2: and I've been called that a long time. And I said,
Speaker 2: what do you mean big D? When Scott asked me,
Speaker 2: I said, like a big fer it and they all
Speaker 2: started laughing. I said, you had too much drink last night.
Speaker 2: I said no, I didn't have anything to drink. And
Speaker 2: I just kind of let it go with that. But
Speaker 2: you couldn't discuss it then. You know, thirty years ago,
Speaker 2: it's been over thirty years now. There was no format.
Speaker 2: There were no podcasts, no radio shows, no shows like
Speaker 2: here you have here. There was no Facebook. I mean,
Speaker 2: you couldn't discuss that type time. People thought you were
Speaker 2: absolutely crazy, and thank goodness, my best friend of forty
Speaker 2: two years, Martin Groves. About a year later, he had
Speaker 2: an encounter in the lba Alam between the Lakes of
Speaker 2: a dog man trying to attighten kill him, and you know,
Speaker 2: he was a really close friend, you know, and I
Speaker 2: would discuss some of this and talk back and forth
Speaker 2: because he couldn't tell anybody either. At that time, he
Speaker 2: was a Sheriff's department employee, been there a long time,
Speaker 2: retired after thirty two years. Now, you know, I was
Speaker 2: an elected official in the same county, and it was difficult.
Speaker 2: He couldn't tell anybody. If you mentioned it to him,
Speaker 2: they thought, you know, this guy's crazy. But thank goodness
Speaker 2: for this day and time when you have a formaute
Speaker 2: like you have, it's really changed, and I think there's
Speaker 2: a big reason to you hear so many encounters and
Speaker 2: so many experiences from people now, so thank you for
Speaker 2: having this.
Speaker 1: Oh it's my pleasure. And that's the thing. There's people
Speaker 1: in all cultures, in all countries and all walks of
Speaker 1: life that have seen and had these experiences. And that
Speaker 1: could be said just about anything in the paranormal. But sasquatch, bigfoot,
Speaker 1: save whatever we want to call it. It's it's not
Speaker 1: only nationwide, it's worldwide. And there seems to be different
Speaker 1: types of them. Like I was talking about the different
Speaker 1: breeds of dogs and stuff, you know, in Florida. You've
Speaker 1: got the Skunkcape up here in New England. The bigfoot
Speaker 1: creatures look different in the Bennington Triangle. In that area,
Speaker 1: they're they're similar, but they're different than the ones in
Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest, which are different than the ones that
Speaker 1: are even in northern California, Mount Shasta. They seem to
Speaker 1: be different than the ones in Washington and Oregon.
Speaker 2: So you been going Alaska that area, you know there's
Speaker 2: ten twelve taller ones sing up there. It seems like
Speaker 2: it's a whole different type breed of this creature. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure that it is. My good friend Ron here,
Speaker 2: it's been there several times, and you know, I think
Speaker 2: it's probably a different type. Uh you know, forest person
Speaker 2: myself or Boris Sasquatch, or a bigfoot, one of the
Speaker 2: one of the three. Of course, they're called by indigenous names,
Speaker 2: ever were different than you know, my people call them
Speaker 2: the harry mayn. There's so many names for the creature
Speaker 2: that everybody calls it a different name, depending on the
Speaker 2: native heritage they are or the air they're living in.
Speaker 2: But you know, I got to the point where I
Speaker 2: already didn't care what anybody thought. I mean, I'm still there.
Speaker 2: If you don't believe me, I don't care. I never
Speaker 2: try to convince anybody. I don't care where they believe
Speaker 2: me or not. I know what I've seen, I know
Speaker 2: where I lived, and you know, if they don't. If
Speaker 2: they don't believe that, that's quite fine with me, go
Speaker 2: right ahead and believe that way.
Speaker 1: Agreement with you there, brother. And that's another thing that
Speaker 1: all these indigenous people Native American tribes, they all have
Speaker 1: a legend and across all the different tribes runs in
Speaker 1: the Southwest, the ones in the Northwest, the ones up here,
Speaker 1: the Algonquins, and and the Seminole in Florida. They've all
Speaker 1: got that legend in there. And these were people that
Speaker 1: didn't communicate. You know, it's certainly not like we do.
Speaker 1: But you know you live back then on the other
Speaker 1: side of the country that you never saw those other
Speaker 1: tribes and things first likely, but to have those same stories,
Speaker 1: that's true ism. I think that that puts some some
Speaker 1: truth in some weight into it. And not just hear
Speaker 1: Canada everywhere.
Speaker 2: I think one thing that I see all the time,
Speaker 2: even in my group, and you know, everybody seems to
Speaker 2: think that these things are all friendly. They're not all friendly.
Speaker 2: I mean, you got you better get the right kind.
Speaker 2: You don't know what you're going through the field and experiencing.
Speaker 2: Because the only way I know how to tell the
Speaker 2: forest people from the big Foot of the sass, which
Speaker 2: I call them the X markers. These creatures are very
Speaker 2: territorial and you don't come in their territory without their permission,
Speaker 2: and they're pretty sincere about that against the other what
Speaker 2: I call different types of them, which would be a
Speaker 2: sass or a Bigfoot. So those X markers are all
Speaker 2: over the woods. If you find the forest people, they'll
Speaker 2: be on the floor of the trail. They'll be huge
Speaker 2: trees making axes. And I learned a lot from those
Speaker 2: on the river because I got very fortunate. If they
Speaker 2: were the real forest people, they weren't. They were never
Speaker 2: aggressive towards me. They were very friendly. I didn't see
Speaker 2: the whole clan, never did. I an't seen three of them,
Speaker 2: but I can hear them in there. They were in
Speaker 2: a huge patch of what I call kadzu. It looks
Speaker 2: like vines, and it was just went down the river
Speaker 2: bank for miles. It was real thick and it was
Speaker 2: hard to see in there. But the three that I
Speaker 2: got to see regularly that light me. Those were friendly.
Speaker 2: You know, they're cautious because they're afraid of humans, because
Speaker 2: humans have hurt their families over the years, and they're
Speaker 2: scared of them. It takes a long time to be
Speaker 2: able to trust with them, and it took me a
Speaker 2: long time. And I was there nearly every day. Sometimes
Speaker 2: i'd stay the night with them, and you know, I
Speaker 2: wasn't sleeping with them, but I was not too far
Speaker 2: from where they were at, and they came to know me,
Speaker 2: and they first of all these things, how they do it,
Speaker 2: I don't know. They can read your heart, your intentions
Speaker 2: and why you're there. I don't know how they do this,
Speaker 2: but I know that to be true because it's been
Speaker 2: several times when I started to do something or say
Speaker 2: something or give them something, they already knew what I
Speaker 2: was thinking. I know that probably sounds crazy to people,
Speaker 2: but these things are so intelligent. They have some special abilities.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm that they can speak to you without using
Speaker 1: their mouth, that they can hear and understand. They've got
Speaker 1: some kind of sixth sense or something that either we
Speaker 1: don't have any more that we've got and don't know
Speaker 1: how to use I think they're more evolved than we
Speaker 1: are in sum regards.
Speaker 2: I think you're right. You know Ron Morehead. You know,
Speaker 2: if you've ever ever read a book called Ron Moorheads
Speaker 2: got the best book that I think breaks down and
Speaker 2: explains is called The Quantum, and it breaks down how
Speaker 2: they transfer this energy and they can go interdimensional. When
Speaker 2: I say interdimensional, you can't sing them. You can see
Speaker 2: them outlines. Sometimes I haven't seen one just do that
Speaker 2: right in front of me, but I'm sure that I've
Speaker 2: walked through some areas where they were. But they also
Speaker 2: have abilities to mind speach, I think, is what you
Speaker 2: were getting at. And I have personally never mind spoke
Speaker 2: with them. They did try to mind speak with me.
Speaker 2: I was, god frankly stared to open my mind up
Speaker 2: like that because I was afraid they not harm me.
Speaker 2: Because they can control your mind, you know, and talk
Speaker 2: to you like that, then there might be something to
Speaker 2: come about that that you may not want to be
Speaker 2: involved in them. But I've got good friends. Scott Tis
Speaker 2: is probably the best in the world at mind speaking,
Speaker 2: and you know they do it regularly with them. I
Speaker 2: personally haven't, but I've seen their abilities their abilities are amazing.
Speaker 2: What they can do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's these people that remote view and stuff, and
Speaker 1: just the accuracy that some of them have it is amazing.
Speaker 1: And I've heard people talk about before that whatever these
Speaker 1: creatures are hominids or humanoids or inhumanoids as Barton would
Speaker 1: call them, they have the ability to vibrate eat. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a higher or lower frequency than
Speaker 1: we do, but they seem to be able to do it. It will.
Speaker 1: Comedian Mitch Hedbergh once quipped that every picture of Bigfoot
Speaker 1: is blurry because Bigfoot is blurry. It's an actual picture.
Speaker 1: The creature is blurry. You know. There's probably a little
Speaker 1: bit of truth in that.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a higher energy. They transform it
Speaker 2: into a higher energy if you read If anybody's ever
Speaker 2: read Quantum by Ron Moorehead and they'll understand a lot
Speaker 2: more about it. I think he's got it figured better
Speaker 2: than anybody.
Speaker 1: But I haven't read that, but I certainly will. I
Speaker 1: just added it to my Amazon cards, So there you go.
Speaker 1: Thank the great book.
Speaker 2: You know, you've also got you know, other people that
Speaker 2: have different ideas and have done different things with these
Speaker 2: creatures too, which have actually seen them cloak and go
Speaker 2: inter dimensional. I personally haven't, but I did see one
Speaker 2: go behind a tree one time, and I walked right
Speaker 2: to the tree and never did find him. So I
Speaker 2: don't know where he went, but he went somewhere. And uh,
Speaker 2: they're you know, getting back to Martin Onley. You know,
Speaker 2: Barton has never had a good experience with a forest
Speaker 2: person or a bigfoot. And quite frankly, I understand why,
Speaker 2: because you know, Barton is one of my closest friends,
Speaker 2: and and Martin Groves and Ron Moorhead are my team,
Speaker 2: and Billy Howell I intend to see me and him
Speaker 2: do a little research. He used to do a lot together.
Speaker 2: But when you got those guys like like Ron, who's
Speaker 2: experienced some craziness, and you know Barton and he grew
Speaker 2: up in Kentucky and these things are trying to break
Speaker 2: in his house and kill him and his family every night,
Speaker 2: he was terrified of him. He never had a good
Speaker 2: experience with any of them. And I've told him for years,
Speaker 2: I said, Barton, I mean, you just haven't been around
Speaker 2: the right ones. They're not all like that. They're like people.
Speaker 2: There's bad and good and all animals too. Ye And
Speaker 2: you know, he never had that, and just recently he
Speaker 2: feels different about that. He and I were in the
Speaker 2: run Pueen the Lakes back in October, he I and
Speaker 2: Martin Groves and Ron moorehead. We had a cabin back
Speaker 2: in there and stayed three nights and we had a
Speaker 2: family of bigfoot right next to the cabin and they
Speaker 2: were just making all kinds I haven't He was actually
Speaker 2: filming me on a personal podcast he had for one
Speaker 2: of my experiences, and these things were breaking lambs right
Speaker 2: behind us. You could hear them, you can see shouts
Speaker 2: of them going back behind the woods. And he was
Speaker 2: just he said, I can't believe it. I can't believe
Speaker 2: these things aren't. You know they're here. They're not attacking me,
Speaker 2: you know, because like I said, it was an experience
Speaker 2: for heal because he realized they're not all out to
Speaker 2: kill you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I believe that's true. And a lot of times
Speaker 1: I think they know your intent. If you're coming in
Speaker 1: there to try to disrupt or hunt them or something
Speaker 1: like that, they know that, and you won't have any
Speaker 1: experience work, you'll have a bad experience. Now, what do
Speaker 1: you make of some of these historical experiences like the
Speaker 1: Ape Canyon attacks with those miners who're supposedly attacked. What
Speaker 1: do you think that just they were in a place
Speaker 1: that they shouldn't have been and they upset these people
Speaker 1: or the.
Speaker 2: You know that I don't know what type of creature
Speaker 2: that was, but I'm familiar with the eight attack, and
Speaker 2: if I remember correctly, one of those minors shot one
Speaker 2: of them off of bluff.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was the story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I mean if you, first of all, if
Speaker 2: you go in there with the wrong intent and just
Speaker 2: shoot one of these creatures for no reason at all,
Speaker 2: it's really no different than somebody's shooting your brother or
Speaker 2: one of your family members. I mean, they're going to retaliate.
Speaker 2: So you know, first of all, you're in their area.
Speaker 2: They're very territorial, I mean very territorial. They don't want
Speaker 2: you to come in their area without permission, and if
Speaker 2: you do, then they're going to retaliate and try to
Speaker 2: run you out by different means, like you said, throwing
Speaker 2: small gravels or bluff charging or yelling or screening at
Speaker 2: you or whatever they feel like doing. But when you
Speaker 2: go in with an intention and shoot one of them,
Speaker 2: you've kind of opened up your own war, and I
Speaker 2: think that's what happened.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you declared war on them in their territory, so
Speaker 1: of course they're going to retaliate. And you know that
Speaker 1: was they called them ape men. They didn't know what
Speaker 1: else to as. That was back in the nineteen twenties
Speaker 1: when there was right, you know, not all this modern
Speaker 1: concept to bigfoot and stuff now that the nave of
Speaker 1: American stories are older than that. But I believe something
Speaker 1: happened to them up there. And I talked to somebody
Speaker 1: that was part of a paranormal investigation team in California
Speaker 1: that had gone up there, and they think they found
Speaker 1: the site of that original cabin. They found some had
Speaker 1: made nails and with the roof beams or something, I think,
Speaker 1: But in that area, if that entire story is true,
Speaker 1: there should be a skeleton of that one the guy
Speaker 1: claimed he shot off the bluff, unless I think. And
Speaker 1: that's another thing that you hear a lot of skeptics say, well,
Speaker 1: how come we've never found a carcass or we've never
Speaker 1: found a skeleton. Who's to say they don't bury their
Speaker 1: dead like we did.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what they did with their dead,
Speaker 2: and I've been asked that many times, and other people
Speaker 2: has to speculated. But these things are I know people
Speaker 2: think may think I'm crazy, but these things are not
Speaker 2: an ape. Say that again. They're not an ape. These
Speaker 2: are an ancient people. And I asked the ones on
Speaker 2: the river many times, where are you from? They never answered,
Speaker 2: but they pointed up in the sky and I said,
Speaker 2: are you from another galaxy or another planning? I asked
Speaker 2: them that several times, and they did shake their head
Speaker 2: in acknowledgment. I asked them, if you know Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: They shook their head and acknowledgement. These things are a
Speaker 2: lot more intelligent than you think they are, and they
Speaker 2: don't want to let you. They don't want to let
Speaker 2: people know that they're capable of doing things like that.
Speaker 2: They want to play kind of dumb because they don't
Speaker 2: trust you. So now, some of the type out there,
Speaker 2: like I said, are not like those. I do think
Speaker 2: some of them will kill you. I do think if
Speaker 2: you go to the doctor. Matthew Johnson's any calls them
Speaker 2: the traycon the bad ones, and I don't doubt that
Speaker 2: that's not the name for them. I haven't conversated with
Speaker 2: these forest people like he has, and I wish I could,
Speaker 2: but I have it. But they were there killers, and
Speaker 2: I do think they will kill you and eat you
Speaker 2: and scatter your bonds through the woods. So a lone
Speaker 2: hoker is not a very smart guy out of the
Speaker 2: middle of nowhere. And I've done it before myself, but
Speaker 2: I don't do it any longer. But you don't need
Speaker 2: to go into woods by yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's me. I've hiked all over the Smokies and
Speaker 1: did about three months on the Appalachian Trail one time.
Speaker 1: I went from Georgia up into Virginia. Just took my
Speaker 1: time doing it, got off the trail a lot. But
Speaker 1: you couldn't pay me to get out there and hike alone. Now,
Speaker 1: not after the type videos that I do. These people
Speaker 1: that go missing and that disappear, there's something out there
Speaker 1: in the woods now, a lot of it. It's not
Speaker 1: as mysterious as people think. It can be explained people
Speaker 1: over confident, ill prepared, didn't take enough supplies with them,
Speaker 1: or they thought they you know, it never happened to me.
Speaker 1: But then there are some that just don't have any
Speaker 1: rational or reasonable explanation. I think occasionally that there's something
Speaker 1: out there that takes people. Now, it may be a
Speaker 1: human predator, it may be a big cat, it may
Speaker 1: be a bear. But with animal attacks and things like that,
Speaker 1: there will be forensic evidence. And some of these people
Speaker 1: when they disappear, they're never a shred of evidence. Maybe
Speaker 1: some bootprints you can see where they were, and then
Speaker 1: they're just not.
Speaker 2: And you know, since you got into the missing but
Speaker 2: them keeping up with yours, and they're pretty awesome stories.
Speaker 2: But you know, I do believe that. I don't do.
Speaker 2: I think it's all Bigfoot taking these people. No, not
Speaker 2: my any rods. I'm not even sure Bigfoot archasing them.
Speaker 2: That's my own guess. But I'm sure there's probably other
Speaker 2: cryptids or creatures that are taking them, you know. I
Speaker 2: don't know. God's seen two dogs man, and I didn't
Speaker 2: believe in those forever, but I've seen the first one
Speaker 2: in Tazewell County, Virginia, the last one in October this
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two with Martin Groves in the Land between
Speaker 2: the Lakes. And they do exist, and that's the only
Speaker 2: ones I've ever seen. I've never seen an Adian or
Speaker 2: anything like that, but I know those things exist, and
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if some type of creature is
Speaker 2: not taking these people. Now. I haven't seen what they
Speaker 2: call a clear man. I don't know what you actually
Speaker 2: call it. It looked like a piece of shram wrap
Speaker 2: in the woods and it shrinks, And I've seen one
Speaker 2: of those in the Shenandoah National Forests that scared me
Speaker 2: to death. I couldn't believe what I was saying. I
Speaker 2: don't know what it is, but it was something clear
Speaker 2: that was walking between a tree and between another tree,
Speaker 2: and I watched it go down a woodline and disappear.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1: Some people call it the glimmer man or the predator
Speaker 1: type creature. I had an experience with one of those,
Speaker 1: but it was in the city. So when I lived
Speaker 1: in Portland, Oregon, I was downtown late at night. I'd
Speaker 1: been to an event at Palace Bookstore Palace City Books
Speaker 1: and Things about eleven o'clock and I was waiting on
Speaker 1: the commuter train to get back to my part of Portland,
Speaker 1: and at the train station, I saw something shimmering over
Speaker 1: on the corner. It looked like it was between like
Speaker 1: a lamp post and a permanent garbage can there, and
Speaker 1: I thought it was steam coming up out of vents
Speaker 1: in the street there, but it was in the warm weather,
Speaker 1: and I thought, well, that's weird. So I walked over
Speaker 1: there and a byt the time I got up close
Speaker 1: to where it was, I noticed not only is there
Speaker 1: not any vents there, but whatever it was, and it
Speaker 1: was short stature anyway, it would have been less than
Speaker 1: four feet tall, but it was a human type shape
Speaker 1: and it just kind of squatted down behind that garbage can.
Speaker 1: And what I call my granny senses, she was empathic
Speaker 1: in things, and every nerve in my body tingled, and
Speaker 1: I thought, I need to get out of here, and
Speaker 1: I ended up crossing the street against traffic and ran
Speaker 1: through the traffic to get away from whatever it was,
Speaker 1: hoping that it wouldn't chase me. Went several blocks on
Speaker 1: up to the next train station. It didn't follow me
Speaker 1: as far as I know, But that was it was
Speaker 1: just like you said. It looked it was an outline
Speaker 1: of a human, but you could see through it. It
Speaker 1: looked like plastic or saran wrap, or kind of like
Speaker 1: the heat waves that you see coming off the road
Speaker 1: in the summertime. It was kind of shimmering and it
Speaker 1: just squatted down and I nope. So I never didn't
Speaker 1: go in downtown Portland anymore after dark.
Speaker 2: They can't realize these creatures. You know, everybody has a
Speaker 2: thought theory that these creatures are way out in the forest,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of them that are out in
Speaker 2: the forest, but they're in town too. I mean, if
Speaker 2: there's a funnel way from a woodline that goes into
Speaker 2: the forests down to an area of town, they're there.
Speaker 2: I've had I've got plenty of documented calls from people
Speaker 2: in Tennessee. Heartsville, Tennessee, is a perfect example of a
Speaker 2: lady there that call U numerous times back in two
Speaker 2: thousand and ten or eleven and said, you know, I
Speaker 2: was told to call you. I've got one of these
Speaker 2: big foots over here at my house and it scared
Speaker 2: me to death at night. So long story short, I
Speaker 2: went to her house twice at night, didn't see a thing.
Speaker 2: I was there two nights all night long, did not
Speaker 2: see nothing. And then she told me again, she goes,
Speaker 2: they're back, and I said, well, they've probably seen me
Speaker 2: and they come back because I'm not there. But she
Speaker 2: actually had footage of these things coming out of the woods,
Speaker 2: and they were coming out behind a restaurant in downtown.
Speaker 2: Of course, Heartsell, Tennessee, is not a big downtown, but
Speaker 2: it's still in the middle of town, around houses, around
Speaker 2: sub divisions. And they were getting into the dumpster of
Speaker 2: this restaurant and taking bags of food scraps out of
Speaker 2: it and walking off into the woods. And there's been
Speaker 2: numerous encounters of this happening. I've had numerous people call
Speaker 2: me about it, and also numerous encounters of dog men
Speaker 2: just walking around in the middle of downtown Maryville, Tennessee.
Speaker 2: So it sounds crazy, I.
Speaker 1: Know, but yeah, the one eye witnessed sighting that I
Speaker 1: had what I believe was a big foot or sasquatch.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: It wasn't out in the woods at all. I was
Speaker 1: living in a little town called Saint Helen's, Oregon. It's
Speaker 1: just outside Portland and kind of like Mayberry. It's a
Speaker 1: small town. You ever seen the Disney movies about Halloween Town.
Speaker 1: That's where that was shot. Was in Saint Helen's and
Speaker 1: I was out. I smoked at the time. I quit
Speaker 1: smoking a little over a year ago. I was smoking
Speaker 1: at the time and up until recently. I've been a
Speaker 1: lifelong insomniac. It's about two or three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: I'd walked out in the driveway to have a cigarette,
Speaker 1: and I could see up to the street that went by.
Speaker 1: I lived on a little dead end street, and whatever
Speaker 1: this thing was, it came walking down the sidewalk, or
Speaker 1: it might have been the edge of the road. I
Speaker 1: don't think there was a sidewalk on that side of
Speaker 1: the road, but it was. I could tell it was
Speaker 1: a big person, and it looked like maybe they were
Speaker 1: wearing a fur coat, and it had that weird gait,
Speaker 1: swinging their arms and taking these huge steps, and it
Speaker 1: passed in front of a stop sign and kept going
Speaker 1: on down the street out of sight, and I thought,
Speaker 1: what when the world was that? I'm going to go
Speaker 1: get a look at that. And I heard my grandmother's voice,
Speaker 1: not audibly, but just in the back of my mind, saying,
Speaker 1: what you need to do is get your butt back
Speaker 1: in the house and leave that alone. And so I
Speaker 1: went in and stayed there. But I walked up there
Speaker 1: the next day where I saw it pass by that
Speaker 1: stop sign, and that stop sign on the post was
Speaker 1: a lot higher than I thought it was. The thing's
Speaker 1: head was up near the top of the stop sign.
Speaker 1: It would have had to been oh between seven and
Speaker 1: eight feet tall, and it looked like said like it
Speaker 1: was wearing a fur coat. It didn't have much of
Speaker 1: a neck that I could see. Its head was kind
Speaker 1: of almost a gum drop shaped or something. It was
Speaker 1: just sat right down on its shoulders, swinging its arms,
Speaker 1: taking these big steps, and it was shiny. It wasn't raining,
Speaker 1: but it looked like somebody wearing a wet fur coat.
Speaker 1: And I could see the street lights letting off of
Speaker 1: but it was it had a destination in mind. It
Speaker 1: wasn't looking around. It was just you know, moving on.
Speaker 1: But that's an area, you know, that's not Saint Helen's
Speaker 1: Oregon is not that far from all the other Mount
Speaker 1: Saint Helens is in Washington, but Saint Helens, Oregon is
Speaker 1: called that because on a clear day you can see
Speaker 1: Mount Saint Helens from there. But that's the only eye
Speaker 1: witness thing. And I've seen some footprints and things. I
Speaker 1: was up in Washington State when I lived in Vancouver, Washington.
Speaker 1: I'd gone up in April or May spring, but had
Speaker 1: gone up. There's still snowlighte if you in the Gifford
Speaker 1: Pincho National Forest, which they've had a lot of sightings
Speaker 1: up there. And I was with a friend and we
Speaker 1: drove up above the snow line. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: see some snow and I walked up in the snow
Speaker 1: and there right in the edge of the snow line,
Speaker 1: there was one footprint, barefoot, huge, like something had been
Speaker 1: walking along that snow line and just at a traversing
Speaker 1: at an angle and it just put one foot over
Speaker 1: in the snow. But it was a huge And ain't
Speaker 1: nobody gonna be up there walking around barefoot And it
Speaker 1: was cold up there. So they've seen the footprints and
Speaker 1: then they had that one sighting. But I've heard them
Speaker 1: and I've sensed them more. Like I said, there's places,
Speaker 1: even in the Smokies that I've been in where you
Speaker 1: feel like you're intruding and better behave yourself, or better yet,
Speaker 1: go somewhere else. And I know we did a video
Speaker 1: about feral people that my wife Nicole wrote, and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of this what people claim it's feral people.
Speaker 1: It's not feral humans as we know them at all.
Speaker 1: But these three people as you call them, and I've
Speaker 1: had people come at me about that and say, well,
Speaker 1: you don't think that people could really hide in the
Speaker 1: forest and not be seen. Oh, if you don't believe that,
Speaker 1: then you've never been far enough back in the deep woods.
Speaker 1: I've been some places in the Smokies that you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the trails and the stuff for
Speaker 1: the tourists. I'm talking about deep woods backcountry. So you
Speaker 1: could there could be a whole family living back there.
Speaker 1: There probably are now, there are people that go off grid.
Speaker 1: Dwight McCarter, who was a ranger in the Smokies. He's
Speaker 1: retired now. He talked about there were people that lived
Speaker 1: in the Smokies. He didn't come right out and say
Speaker 1: that they were sasquatch or bigfoot of tree people. He said,
Speaker 1: there's some people that like their privacy, and people try
Speaker 1: to poo poo that and debunk it. But then you
Speaker 1: have Eric Rudolph the bomber. It was the top of
Speaker 1: the FBI's Most wonder list. This was a man with
Speaker 1: no outdoor experience, no survival training or anything. He hid
Speaker 1: out in Nantahala National Forest for several years and the
Speaker 1: only way he got caught he was coming into a
Speaker 1: little town there, like you were talking about with Sasquatch.
Speaker 1: He was riding the dumpster outside of the little convenience store,
Speaker 1: getting the expired little debbies and twinkies and stuff out
Speaker 1: of the garbage that they'd thrown away. That's how he
Speaker 1: got caught. So yeah, you absolutely can anything out there,
Speaker 1: human and otherwise. And then the thing about the carcass
Speaker 1: that I was talking about that I've been all in
Speaker 1: the woods most of my life. I've never seen a
Speaker 1: bear carcass. The only deer carcass I've ever seen was
Speaker 1: where somebody was poaching or hunting out a season that
Speaker 1: had left it out there. You don't see any kind
Speaker 1: of carcass out.
Speaker 2: There, not a lot, because you've got so many scavengers
Speaker 2: first of all, that take care of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the smaller creatures would make some work of that.
Speaker 1: So I don't think that's evidence that it doesn't exist
Speaker 1: because they've never found a skeleton or a dead one.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the Smokies had a lot of things.
Speaker 2: It's had some mysterious place there really is. You get
Speaker 2: in some of those mountains and there's there probably never
Speaker 2: been a person walked through there, So.
Speaker 1: I agree, maybe indigenous people or something. I've said that
Speaker 1: in all seriousness that I've been places where I'm probably
Speaker 1: the only Caucasian person and I'm an eighth Cherokey that's
Speaker 1: ever set a foot back in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that. I mean, i'd say there was
Speaker 2: even probably some you know, American daties across some of
Speaker 2: these areas. And you get up into some of the
Speaker 2: deep forests, like you're talking about the Smokies, which go
Speaker 2: you know, all over the backside of Tennessee and North Carolina,
Speaker 2: and there's some woods in there that are just nothing
Speaker 2: but just go for miles and they're dance and thick,
Speaker 2: and I don't know how you would ever cover it all,
Speaker 2: you know, it would be difficulty.
Speaker 1: A lot of the indigenous people's they had areas that
Speaker 1: they avoided, that they wouldn't go into, and things, there
Speaker 1: was stuff in there that you don't want to mess with.
Speaker 1: And uh, a lot of these places that have hell
Speaker 1: or devil in the name seem to be that. Now again,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's if they were so named
Speaker 1: because of the stuff that happens there, or just simply
Speaker 1: the act of naming it that attracted stuff there. Like
Speaker 1: the concept of a tulper or something like that.
Speaker 2: You said that, stay, You're exactly right. Some things that
Speaker 2: are named would devil or something. I don't it seem
Speaker 2: to have some type of mysterious thing going on there.
Speaker 2: The area that Martin Grove has had his first encounter
Speaker 2: was called Devil's Backbone, and the area that we seen
Speaker 2: the bigfoot was on the outside of Devil's backbone. We
Speaker 2: were sitting, not a bigfoot, I'm sorry, a dog man
Speaker 2: last October of twenty two. That was the backside of
Speaker 2: the Devil's backbone. And I've heard of other people seeing
Speaker 2: different type things or even as far as that goes,
Speaker 2: even seeing some type of entities or ghost type creatures
Speaker 2: in those areas. So they were definitely named that for
Speaker 2: a reason. I don't know what the reason was. It
Speaker 2: was before my time, but I'm sure it had something
Speaker 2: to do with something evil being there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Now, you mentioned that you'd had a
Speaker 1: dog man sighting. Could you tell us about that. I'm
Speaker 1: fascinated by that and I'd love to hear it.
Speaker 2: Well. My first jog man sighting was in October of
Speaker 2: twenty one, and I've been sick that that file I'd
Speaker 2: had eye surgery and I had time to do a
Speaker 2: few things. And I actually sitting in an old country
Speaker 2: stoer here in the morning at times and drank coffee
Speaker 2: with just the farmers, you know. We sat there. It's
Speaker 2: a little gas station stower, cold country stoer, and I
Speaker 2: was sitting in there that morning and this gentleman comes
Speaker 2: in with his that's what I thought was his son.
Speaker 2: And the guy who owns this particular store is Indian descent,
Speaker 2: and he can't speak Amish real well, and he doesn't
Speaker 2: understand sometimes what they're saying. And this gentleman walked up
Speaker 2: to him, and he had been out getting gas in front,
Speaker 2: and he said, do you know anything about creatures living
Speaker 2: around here? And I was sitting at this table maybe
Speaker 2: teen foot from him, and it just caught my ear
Speaker 2: or the creature apart him saying that. I looked around
Speaker 2: and the guy who owns the store there, he was
Speaker 2: looking at me, and I said, well, what kind of
Speaker 2: creature are you talking about? And he said, I don't
Speaker 2: know what it is, but it's killing all my aunt's goats.
Speaker 2: And I said, well, where do you live? And he said, well,
Speaker 2: pretty good ways from here. What it's traveling through here
Speaker 2: today visiting some family. And I said, okay. He gave
Speaker 2: me me and him talk for a little bit, and
Speaker 2: he said, here's my address if you want to come
Speaker 2: out there. He actually asked me if I wanted to
Speaker 2: follow him that day, and I had something I had
Speaker 2: to do and I couldn't do that. But I actually
Speaker 2: got his address and I drove out there and it
Speaker 2: was a good drive and where I was living at
Speaker 2: It was probably three hours, but it was in Taswell.
Speaker 2: I think it's called Taswell County. I don't know the area.
Speaker 2: Is that whale in Virginia, but I think pretty sure
Speaker 2: I know it was Taswell something Virginia, and I had
Speaker 2: lost service, couldn't a lot when I got close to
Speaker 2: where he told me, and I couldn't find where I
Speaker 2: was going, so I had to drive back out to
Speaker 2: the main highway to pick service up on my cellphone
Speaker 2: with a GPS, and he told me meet me at
Speaker 2: this little Stowart's and an old store that's closed. Just
Speaker 2: meet me there and you can follow me. I did,
Speaker 2: and I followed him back in there. You had to
Speaker 2: cross the creek in front of his house. It wasn't
Speaker 2: his house. There was his great aunt's house. He was
Speaker 2: living with her, him and his I think he had
Speaker 2: a daughter or two and his wife. They all lived
Speaker 2: there on the farm with her. And he told me,
Speaker 2: he said, meet me there, and I followed me in
Speaker 2: and I did, and I stopped and got out, and
Speaker 2: he wanted me to look at the area of where
Speaker 2: these things that killed his goats, and the goats were
Speaker 2: already removed. I was hoping they had been so I
Speaker 2: could see what kind of damage they had to him,
Speaker 2: and he'd already hauled them off, and I think they
Speaker 2: had seven goats, and whatever this creature was had killed
Speaker 2: one or two over at a time, so it had
Speaker 2: finally got them all. And there was real muddy around
Speaker 2: the small barn shed type area, and he was showing
Speaker 2: me where they were laying, and I knew immediately. He said,
Speaker 2: here's the track of one of them. And when I
Speaker 2: seen the track, I knew immediately it wasn't a big
Speaker 2: for it. There was a dog man, because I'd seen
Speaker 2: dog being tracks before, and it wasn't a hundred percent
Speaker 2: past if that's what it was, but that's what he
Speaker 2: looked like. And he pointed up to a field and
Speaker 2: showed me where he thought they were coming in at.
Speaker 2: And they come in right it dark, right before it
Speaker 2: gets dark, they start coming in. And he had actually
Speaker 2: run these creatures off a couple of times. He would
Speaker 2: hear the goats running and he would go out the
Speaker 2: door and start yelling and they would run off. I
Speaker 2: guess they were scared of him, but they finally got
Speaker 2: all of them. So he showed me an area where
Speaker 2: I could park my truck, and it was probably about
Speaker 2: one hundred yards from him. He'd go through a little
Speaker 2: field area and you go up on top a heel
Speaker 2: and there's a gate sho opened up to pull in there,
Speaker 2: and I sat on top of that heel and I
Speaker 2: sat there for well. I went back and forth for
Speaker 2: about three weeks, and I was starting to get to
Speaker 2: the point where I'm not going to see anything. Whatever
Speaker 2: this is has left, and I was getting kind of discouraged.
Speaker 2: And then I decided to go back one more time.
Speaker 2: And I was sitting on this little rise and it
Speaker 2: was overlooking this pasture field that was fenced in, and
Speaker 2: it was probably about one hundred yards from where I
Speaker 2: was setting to the woodline where the fence went across.
Speaker 2: It was a fence, old square top wire fence with
Speaker 2: bob wire on top. And I sat and watched for
Speaker 2: like I said, nearly three weeks. And I decided I
Speaker 2: go back one more time, and I told him, I said,
Speaker 2: I went down and talked to him a couple of times,
Speaker 2: said I'm not seeing anything. And that last evening, which
Speaker 2: was going to be my last, I caught a glimpse
Speaker 2: or something in the corner of this field and it
Speaker 2: was coming across the fence, and I had binoculars and
Speaker 2: I looked at him, and I seen something go on
Speaker 2: the ground all fours and this steel had sage grass
Speaker 2: in it, but it wasn't completely sage. There was patches
Speaker 2: of open ground. And I seen this thing running and
Speaker 2: it wasn't running like a dog. It was galloping like
Speaker 2: a horse. It was very strange, and I got a
Speaker 2: little alarmed. I had my gun with me next to
Speaker 2: my seat and let in my seat next to me,
Speaker 2: and I watched this thing running all the way down
Speaker 2: across that field. It would break out of the sage grass,
Speaker 2: and I could see bits and parts of it as
Speaker 2: it was running. And it ran right down to the
Speaker 2: almost straight ahead of where I was sitting in the truck.
Speaker 2: It was about halfway in the field, and when it
Speaker 2: stopped there, it stood up on its hot legs, and
Speaker 2: I couldn't see the feet there was grass, but I
Speaker 2: could see the bend of the leg like the hawk
Speaker 2: area as it stood there, and it looked right in
Speaker 2: my direction. Didn't look at me, but it looked in
Speaker 2: my direction. And it stepped over the fence by itself,
Speaker 2: and it went off into the woods and I didn't
Speaker 2: see it, and I was pretty weirded out. I'd never
Speaker 2: seen a dog man. But and it wasn't a massive creature.
Speaker 2: It was probably about six foot tall. I guess, well,
Speaker 2: I know what I went down there. But next the
Speaker 2: next day I went back in the daylight and went
Speaker 2: down there, and i'd measured it from a certain mark
Speaker 2: on a tree next to that fence, and it was
Speaker 2: a little over six foot I don't remember the exact
Speaker 2: six one or two by a tape measure. And it
Speaker 2: looked just like a German shepherd in the head, like
Speaker 2: a large German a black German shepherd head is what
Speaker 2: it to looked like. It had the body of a
Speaker 2: human type, but it had legs and it had you know,
Speaker 2: body parts more like an animal. I didn't get to
Speaker 2: see it very long, but I remember the head and
Speaker 2: the legs so well, and the head was just huge,
Speaker 2: but it was like a black German shepherd looked identical.
Speaker 2: And I went back the next day and looked around
Speaker 2: and parked and walked over there, and I had my
Speaker 2: gun with me, and I walked over there. I crossed
Speaker 2: that fence where it had crossed over, and I walked
Speaker 2: down and around that area and it went into a
Speaker 2: real thick area, I'm thicket of limbs and all types
Speaker 2: of bushes, and there was a little trail going through there,
Speaker 2: and it followed around to the left to a bluff
Speaker 2: and something had dug out up under that bluff. You
Speaker 2: could see it, like a hole dug up under that bluff,
Speaker 2: and like it had made a den up in there.
Speaker 2: And I walked to the edge of that and I
Speaker 2: could still see the track something that went up under there,
Speaker 2: and there was a lot of deer bones laying around it,
Speaker 2: and they were old, they weren't fresh. A lot of
Speaker 2: different type bones laying around that little trail. And I
Speaker 2: got a little weird feeling because I was in there
Speaker 2: by myself, so I just got out of there because
Speaker 2: I couldn't see around me very well. But I went
Speaker 2: on back and the next day it was kind of excited.
Speaker 2: I kind of brought some camera gear with me and everything.
Speaker 2: I was going to try to film this thing. And
Speaker 2: I came back and I was crossing the creek going
Speaker 2: up to the hill there. You have to go through
Speaker 2: a creek right off the main road and then you
Speaker 2: go up and turn right to go to this hill
Speaker 2: I was parking on and there was a game a
Speaker 2: Virginia Game Wildlife Researchs officer, and a truck coming down
Speaker 2: from the drive that I was going the same drive
Speaker 2: he was. I was going to the right and he
Speaker 2: was coming from the house where the man lived and
Speaker 2: he said, what are you doing here? And I told
Speaker 2: him I said, well, I have permission from the property
Speaker 2: on to go up here and just look around scout it.
Speaker 2: He said what are you scouting for? And I said,
Speaker 2: I'll just certain animals and he said, well, there's not
Speaker 2: anything in season right now. I said, I'm not here
Speaker 2: to hunt them. I'm just kind of scouting. And he
Speaker 2: asked for my permission slipt and I didn't have one.
Speaker 2: He said, you have to have a permission swept to
Speaker 2: be on somebody's property hunting. So he made me go
Speaker 2: with him up to the house, and of course the
Speaker 2: gentleman that lived there told him me, I gave him
Speaker 2: permission to be here. He's fine and came back down
Speaker 2: and he talked to me. He said, let me tell
Speaker 2: you something. The best thing for you to do is
Speaker 2: not to be up here. I said, well, why is that.
Speaker 2: He goes, well, there's some type of creature that's been
Speaker 2: killing people's livestock on the joining farms. And he goes,
Speaker 2: I already know about this gentleman's coats being killed. He said,
Speaker 2: best thing for you to do is get out of
Speaker 2: here and don't come up here because we don't know
Speaker 2: what it is, but it's killing livestock. And he said,
Speaker 2: if you got a weapon, and I told him I did,
Speaker 2: and he was kind of filling me out, And actually
Speaker 2: I left when he did because I didn't want to
Speaker 2: cause any trouble with him, and went back up there
Speaker 2: a couple more times after that, but I never seen anything,
Speaker 2: so I think they possibly may have killed that creature.
Speaker 2: I never knew what happened to it, but that's the
Speaker 2: first one I ever seen. The second one I ever
Speaker 2: seen was a year later, a different day, but it
Speaker 2: was I believe it was the nineteenth of October twenty two.
Speaker 2: It was. That was twenty nine years or thirty years
Speaker 2: the day of the actual area that Martin Groves, one
Speaker 2: of my best friends, had been attacked at the land
Speaker 2: between the Lakes area in Tennessee and Kentucky. And he
Speaker 2: and I had been there for a couple of days
Speaker 2: and we were just scouting the area, and we've did
Speaker 2: it night and day. We'd hot and then getting the truck.
Speaker 2: And if you've ever been to the land between the
Speaker 2: lights that goes back into the middle of nowhere, there's
Speaker 2: just little roads and trails that go forever. There's like
Speaker 2: one hundred seventy thousand acres back in there, and it's
Speaker 2: really remote. And we had been righty. It was twelve
Speaker 2: after twelve at night. We had stopped and got a
Speaker 2: snack and off in the woods where our lunches packed,
Speaker 2: and we had stopped his truck and got out and
Speaker 2: we were just riding roads hoping to see some type
Speaker 2: of creature. And when I say roads, these aren't paved roads.
Speaker 2: These are like dirt roads or little gravel roads that
Speaker 2: cut off to the left and right, and there's nobody
Speaker 2: back in there. It's in the middle. There's just nothing
Speaker 2: back there. And we had just turned on that particular
Speaker 2: road close to the Devil's backbone, and we were maybe
Speaker 2: doing one mile an hour, and I had my window down,
Speaker 2: there was warm, and he had his window down and
Speaker 2: his truck and we might have been doing one mile
Speaker 2: an hour. We were driving real slow, trying to keep
Speaker 2: her eye out. Of course, we could see anything in
Speaker 2: that area. And over to the right and knee in
Speaker 2: the ditch was this huge creature. Turned out it was
Speaker 2: a creek bed drown next to a covert where this
Speaker 2: thing was laying, and it was staring right at me.
Speaker 2: I was literally five to seven foot from this thing's head,
Speaker 2: and the head was about past the size of his
Speaker 2: truck window. I never seen anything like that in my life.
Speaker 2: And it had kind of like a blue miss kind
Speaker 2: of like a miss like behind. I couldn't see its feet,
Speaker 2: but I could see it. It was crouched like a
Speaker 2: cat does when it's going to jump on a mouse
Speaker 2: or something. It was looking right at me. It had
Speaker 2: these long, deep eyes that were clear, crystal clear, like
Speaker 2: flashlights shining through had line had nane like a line,
Speaker 2: and it was looking like it was going to jump
Speaker 2: right on me. I looked at Martin and I said,
Speaker 2: do you see And before I could get that out,
Speaker 2: he goes, yeah, I see it. And there's this time
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to jump right in the
Speaker 2: window and get me, but it uh, you know. We
Speaker 2: about that time we both got what I call zapped.
Speaker 2: And I didn't get it nearly as bad as Martin did.
Speaker 2: But my legs were tinely and my chest was kind
Speaker 2: of felt like I had compression on it, a little headache.
Speaker 2: But he got hit real bad. He was could breathe.
Speaker 2: His tongue had swelled up, his throat and swelled together.
Speaker 2: He says, I can't breathe. Bube. He caused me ba bah,
Speaker 2: call him bab but this Tennessee slang. But I said, well,
Speaker 2: let me drive. You get over and he couldn't hardly talk.
Speaker 2: And about that time, this thing come out of the
Speaker 2: ditch areat was in. It went behind the truck. He's
Speaker 2: looking in the rearview mirror or this thing went behind
Speaker 2: the truck and it didn't run. It kind of like
Speaker 2: gliding across this little dirt road brown. It made a
Speaker 2: right and it went through a small part of a field.
Speaker 2: And a weird thing about this thing is you could
Speaker 2: it was a creature. You could see the whole silhouette
Speaker 2: of the creature, but you could also see through it.
Speaker 2: It was transparent. And it went straight through that field,
Speaker 2: and it went into the woods and went up a bank,
Speaker 2: and it sounded like a bulldozer in there. There's breaking
Speaker 2: limbs and sticks and everything. And I'm scared to death
Speaker 2: for him because I'm thinking he can't breathe, and we're
Speaker 2: trying to get out of there, and we're back in
Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere. And finally we got going and
Speaker 2: he sid the whole trucks. I can't smell anything. I
Speaker 2: lost my smelling when I got COVID in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: I can only smell very few things, coffee and something
Speaker 2: spicy occasionally. But he said the truck truck stunk so
Speaker 2: bad that he couldn't already stand the smell. And we
Speaker 2: finally got out on that road, on down the road
Speaker 2: to what's called the Trace, the main road that goes
Speaker 2: through there, got off into an area where there was
Speaker 2: a lot of lights in a parking area and he
Speaker 2: got out, and I was real worried about him. I
Speaker 2: tried to get him go to the hospital because I
Speaker 2: thought he was going to pass out because he couldn't breathe,
Speaker 2: And he had improved a little bit by then. He
Speaker 2: was the least able to breathe, but he couldn't hardly walk.
Speaker 2: His legs were real tangling and his chest was real
Speaker 2: compressed feeling. And we sat there for a good while
Speaker 2: and I assisted to go to the hospital, but he
Speaker 2: wouldn't do it. So he got better. He got a
Speaker 2: little better. We actually drove home that night instead of
Speaker 2: his stand another night because I wanted him to go
Speaker 2: to the hospital or be close to the hospital. And
Speaker 2: he was sick for about a week over that. Now
Speaker 2: mine went away pretty quick. I was okay the next day.
Speaker 2: I was a little delirious, but I was okay. But
Speaker 2: he actually wrote that entire second is in his Leggous book,
Speaker 2: which is based Between the Rivers, is about me and
Speaker 2: his sighting in that of October of twenty two and
Speaker 2: it was the strangest thing I've ever seen in my
Speaker 2: whole life. I've never seen a creature like that, and
Speaker 2: how it was just transparent and there's almost cartoonish looking,
Speaker 2: but it was real and it could have attacked us.
Speaker 2: It could have easily jumped running the window and took
Speaker 2: us out because it was right next to us, but
Speaker 2: it didn't. So I don't know if it was coming
Speaker 2: out of a portal or what it was doing, you know,
Speaker 2: but it was kind of like a blue mess behind
Speaker 2: it when I first seen it, and strangest thing I've
Speaker 2: ever seen. I can't even understand how it was even possible.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's some encounter I can't even imagine. And this
Speaker 1: the reaction to it almost sounds like his reaction that
Speaker 1: your friend had there. Do you think that that was
Speaker 1: something that that thing caused him to have or is
Speaker 1: that just his natural reaction? Did it awaken something that's done?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm starting in rept you, Steve, no, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I think that I don't know how these creatures do that.
Speaker 2: I've personally been zapped, as we call it, because that's
Speaker 2: when I've heard it called by Bigfoot myself twice two
Speaker 2: times over the last thirty two years. I've been zapped
Speaker 2: by dog Man once and it was that occasion, but
Speaker 2: I was nowhere near zapped as much as he was. Now,
Speaker 2: you know, Barton Nunley and Martin Groves and I've sit
Speaker 2: down and discussed this many times. What just does to
Speaker 2: your body and what makes you feel. I just can't
Speaker 2: believe it's an infrasound. I believe it's almost like a
Speaker 2: radiation because it makes you just sick. And you know,
Speaker 2: Martin is not in the what I would say the
Speaker 2: best of health anywhere. But you know, he had a
Speaker 2: real difficult time overcoming that, and I was checking on
Speaker 2: him every day. You know. I go home every month
Speaker 2: and nearly every month. Sometimes in the winter we don't,
Speaker 2: but but we all get together, us three and lightly
Speaker 2: ron Morhea. It's been with us, and but we'll go
Speaker 2: out and stay in the wilderness of that area for
Speaker 2: you know, two to four days at least once a minile,
Speaker 2: sometimes twice. And I think it's a form of radiation
Speaker 2: for what it does to you. I can't think of anything.
Speaker 2: You know, Wales do in for sam but they're not
Speaker 2: like this, failing it just like it's something I can't
Speaker 2: even explain it. I don't know how to explain.
Speaker 1: It that that's a good analogy, though it does sound
Speaker 1: like something stronger and I know a lot of times
Speaker 1: when there's some type of paranormal activity that'll happen. Read
Speaker 1: about my black eyed kids encounter oh yeah, like their
Speaker 1: eyes like she'd been exposed to radiation. And then her
Speaker 1: husband and he came down with some kind of rare
Speaker 1: blood cancer not long after that. And then then UFO encounters.
Speaker 1: You hear that where people have like what's similar to
Speaker 1: radiation burns through the effects of high dose radiation.
Speaker 2: Well, I canna tell you this much. You know, Scott
Speaker 2: Carpenter was a good friend of mine. You know, we
Speaker 2: weren't like everyday close like Martin and Barton and I saw,
Speaker 2: but you know, he was a good friend. He helped
Speaker 2: me rebuke some creatures that were trying to destroy my
Speaker 2: farm and my animals back in twenty twenty. And you know,
Speaker 2: Scott was out numerous times, and he hiked a lot
Speaker 2: of different trails up in the Smoky's and other areas
Speaker 2: there and had a lot of encounters, a tremendous lot
Speaker 2: of encounters. Even were portals opening behind him and stories
Speaker 2: he had told me before they came to his house too.
Speaker 2: And I will never believe that, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's that he was just a real credible, great guy
Speaker 2: that we lost. Nobody will replace Scott Carpenter in his work,
Speaker 2: but I'll never believe that he just passed from an aneurysm.
Speaker 2: I think these things have what can take a toe
Speaker 2: on your body. You know, I don't want to be
Speaker 2: zapped by them, but I don't know how to stop
Speaker 2: from being unless you just stay away from them altogether.
Speaker 1: But it makes you wear some sort of EMF protection
Speaker 1: or something you make clothing. Now.
Speaker 2: You know, Joe and Jesse are good friends of mine,
Speaker 2: have hel Ben Holler and they actually carry our Gegger
Speaker 2: counter with him now and they have picked up radiation
Speaker 2: and tracks. So I'm I'm a true believer that it
Speaker 2: has some type of similar abilities of radiation. Whatever this
Speaker 2: they put off when they want to. I don't know
Speaker 2: why they do it, and this is in fear of
Speaker 2: them of their own life, you know, with it.
Speaker 1: It could be their normal way to protect him. It
Speaker 1: was like it things can spray you with the high
Speaker 1: dose radiation that that's frightening.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think that I think that can
Speaker 2: take a toe on your body, and you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know what kind of effects it does have. Nobody's
Speaker 2: ever studied it, but it could also it could have
Speaker 2: some type of ability with him doing this numerous times
Speaker 2: and maybe even weakened the arteries or the vessels in
Speaker 2: your body. I don't know, but you know, I just
Speaker 2: think it was I would not be surprised at all
Speaker 2: if that didn't have some contribution of Scott passing, because
Speaker 2: you know, he died of an aneurysm and he'd been
Speaker 2: zapp a lot of times, and I find it hard
Speaker 2: to believe that he just had it like that, you know,
Speaker 2: and he may have. I don't know, it's my own speculation,
Speaker 2: but I sure missed that guy. And he did a
Speaker 2: lot for this community. So it's.
Speaker 1: Legendary and for you to be friends with him, and
Speaker 1: so he'll our condolences on your loss there, But he
Speaker 1: was something else, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Well. I don't think his legacy will ever get away
Speaker 2: from from from what any all of us that are
Speaker 2: involved in it with, you know, I don't think it
Speaker 2: ever will. I mean, you can look back. There's some
Speaker 2: pretty crazy things that he did, and you know, and
Speaker 2: he was one of the first ones that said these
Speaker 2: things are coming into the city because he was walking
Speaker 2: into downtown park of Knoxville, Tennessee, and had a couple
Speaker 2: of shots of these things in the in the actual
Speaker 2: in the woods of the parked area that you know,
Speaker 2: people walk and play on the playground and everything every day,
Speaker 2: So you know, the I don't think I think people are.
Speaker 2: The thing about it is, it's real hard for the
Speaker 2: human mind to wrap their mind around this anyway, because
Speaker 2: we're raised to believe there's no monsters in the woods.
Speaker 2: It's just a myth. And then when you see one,
Speaker 2: it changes your whole world. It's definitely life changing.
Speaker 1: That definitely shifts your personal paradigm, that's for sure. Doubt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you got your average people walking around that
Speaker 2: don't believe in this or don't follow it. How many
Speaker 2: times have they passed one didn't even know what they paid.
Speaker 1: Even And I've often said that the skeptic is just
Speaker 1: somebody that hasn't had it, or a non believer. It's
Speaker 1: just somebody that hadn't had the right experience. Yet. Sure,
Speaker 1: it can happen anywhere any time in it And you're right,
Speaker 1: I think there's people that stuff happened all around them
Speaker 1: and because they're not open to it, or they're not
Speaker 1: aware of it, or hyper aware like we are. They
Speaker 1: they missed the boat on that they've experienced all kinds
Speaker 1: of things and didn't even know it.
Speaker 2: Either that or they put it off in their mind.
Speaker 2: They don't want to believe it. So many people, so
Speaker 2: many people too, are fraid to talk about it because
Speaker 2: of the criticism. So how many people aren't on Facebook
Speaker 2: or listening to your show or any other show? You know? People?
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people, people in their fifties,
Speaker 2: zoned up. They don't hardly e ring, get on Facebook. Yeah,
Speaker 2: most of them don't don't even know what Facebook is.
Speaker 2: A lot of people, how many that we never heard?
Speaker 1: And I've found that when I was writing my first book,
Speaker 1: Strange Things in the Woods, when I was collecting those
Speaker 1: stories and just about i'd say ninety nine percent of
Speaker 1: those people that passed on now. But there were people,
Speaker 1: you know that sixty seventy eighty years old, twenty thirty
Speaker 1: forty years ago when I was to start gathering these stories,
Speaker 1: and they were reticent to tell that but for fear
Speaker 1: of being ridiculed or trying to figure out what you
Speaker 1: were up to. And had people tell me stuff that
Speaker 1: their wife had never heard the story and maybe they've
Speaker 1: been married forty years, you know, and it's like be
Speaker 1: sitting there with us and she say, you never told
Speaker 1: me about that. And another thing I like to do
Speaker 1: book reading sometimes, and one of my favorite places to
Speaker 1: go is a retirement home. And you know, some people
Speaker 1: are like that. They're looking for something to do, and
Speaker 1: they'll come and sit and hang out, do their knitting
Speaker 1: or crocheting or whatever, and then leave when it's over.
Speaker 1: But there's usually one or two people that will hang
Speaker 1: around and I know what they're doing. The crowd kind
Speaker 1: of leaves and side love to me and say, uh,
Speaker 1: that reminded me. I want to tell you about something
Speaker 1: that happened when I was a boy. And I love
Speaker 1: those kind of stories because you know, otherwise those stories
Speaker 1: die with those people if they haven't told it to anybody,
Speaker 1: and that I've heard that I've never told this to anybody,
Speaker 1: but you know, I feel like I can tell you,
Speaker 1: and I love that their legacy lives on through my
Speaker 1: stories and through my writings and stuff. And that's great
Speaker 1: because otherwise it.
Speaker 2: Really is a lot of great knowledge that will never replace,
Speaker 2: you know, So that's that's pretty incredible. You know, all
Speaker 2: the stories I've heard over the years. You know, I
Speaker 2: didn't know where I believed them or not. But you know,
Speaker 2: after you get around these creatures for some reason for
Speaker 2: me anyway, I know it about everybody, but they seem
Speaker 2: to have a way of finding that you don't ever
Speaker 2: go into woods and just find a forest person or
Speaker 2: a big foot. They let you see them. I so
Speaker 2: they find me. And you know, Martin Groves seems to
Speaker 2: have with the dog Man dog Man creatures more than
Speaker 2: anybody I know.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the girl that I interviewed that went and
Speaker 1: lived up on chat Mount Shasta and had the experiences,
Speaker 1: and she said that they eased her into it, like
Speaker 1: she would see them, see them peek out from behind
Speaker 1: a tree, or maybe hear a little bit of a
Speaker 1: noise or mumbling, and then gradually they came to trust
Speaker 1: her within that five months that she lived up there,
Speaker 1: and she saw them regularly after that. But she said
Speaker 1: they had that ability. She said she would see them
Speaker 1: walk behind the tree, not come out the other side,
Speaker 1: go right to it, walk all the way around. It's
Speaker 1: just not there anymore, kind of like you were talking about.
Speaker 1: So I believe. I don't know if it's portals where
Speaker 1: they have the ability to change their frequency. You know,
Speaker 1: just a light. You look at the light, the spectrum
Speaker 1: of light. We only see a fraction of that right
Speaker 1: in the middle. There's stuff on either end that's beyond it.
Speaker 1: Are hearing and seeing and understanding, and I think they
Speaker 1: know either how to manipulate that, or it's just something
Speaker 1: they've learned to do, or maybe something that's that's born
Speaker 1: into them that as.
Speaker 2: A camera system. For example, there's been plenty of people
Speaker 2: that I've watched something in the woods. They didn't know
Speaker 2: what it was, and when they took pictures of it
Speaker 2: and got home lighter and looked at it, they see
Speaker 2: a creature. They can't see it with their own eye.
Speaker 2: And that's why I don't like people criticizing people. Especially
Speaker 2: in our group. We don't allow it. But you'll see
Speaker 2: people post a blurry picture or something that's kind of
Speaker 2: hard to see. But just because you don't see it
Speaker 2: don't mean it's not there. So I mean there's people
Speaker 2: that the one who took the picture probably can see
Speaker 2: it a whole lot better than the one he's showing
Speaker 2: it to. So these things have a way of the
Speaker 2: best camouflage in the world. They can look just like
Speaker 2: a book. I don't know how they do it, but
Speaker 2: pretty imagine.
Speaker 1: I've heard stories of ones that could disguise themselves. Like
Speaker 1: I had a story from one guy that I thought
Speaker 1: he was watching a stump and he's like, I've been
Speaker 1: down here a bunch of times, and I don't remember
Speaker 1: that stump ever been here. And about the time he
Speaker 1: thought that it turned into some kind of creature and
Speaker 1: got up have walked away. So they and rocks, they
Speaker 1: they turned themselves into rocks. Now the I think it's
Speaker 1: the Algonquins, one of the tribes here in New England,
Speaker 1: and uh in the Bennington Triangle. There's stories of creatures
Speaker 1: that can disguise themselves as rocks, and when you step
Speaker 1: on it or step over it, they can open up
Speaker 1: and swallow you and then get whatever substance they need
Speaker 1: out of you, spit you back out. And there was
Speaker 1: one guy that was hunting up their experienced hunter and
Speaker 1: they found him in the woods and he looked like
Speaker 1: he had been this is what' said in the official report.
Speaker 1: It looked like he'd been squeezed to death. So what's
Speaker 1: the woods that consqueeze you to death? Well, maybe a
Speaker 1: sasquatch or maybe a rock creature that swallows you and
Speaker 1: spit you out. There's so much out there that we
Speaker 1: don't understand, Darryl, and that's why it fascinates me.
Speaker 2: Now, I think there's you know, if people would be
Speaker 2: a little more open minded to people who have seen things,
Speaker 2: it would make it a whole lot easier for the community.
Speaker 2: Regardless of where you're on Facebook or a show like
Speaker 2: you have or anything. If they could not feel ridicule,
Speaker 2: they would you would probably hear a lot more of
Speaker 2: these stories than you hear now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've had people thank me for you know,
Speaker 1: they say, I feel like it's okay to talk about this.
Speaker 1: I've carried this around with me some people since childhood,
Speaker 1: and now they've got a place, a forum, a platform
Speaker 1: where they can talk about it with other like minded
Speaker 1: rock like minded individuals or experiences, and they don't feel ostracized.
Speaker 1: They like they're going to be made fun of or ridiculed.
Speaker 1: And I like being able to provide that for people.
Speaker 2: You do a great job with you see, you really did.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. And I know there's so many others
Speaker 2: that's pretty obvious. With the followers you've got, so it's
Speaker 2: definitely a pleasure to share my experiences with you, and
Speaker 2: I've got a lot more, but it would take a
Speaker 2: lot of time to go into them. I'm just one
Speaker 2: of those kind of people that just happened to be
Speaker 2: around them. I don't know how that happened.
Speaker 1: Well, And I've felt that way about the paranormal. Uh
Speaker 1: for a long time. I thought that every house I've
Speaker 1: ever lived in was haunted to some degree, and then
Speaker 1: just in the last decade or so, I've come to
Speaker 1: realize that it's not so much of the houses. It's
Speaker 1: me that's haunted, because I've had roommates and stuff that
Speaker 1: lived there for years and nothing ever happened. I move
Speaker 1: in and the place goes crazy with I think it's me,
Speaker 1: and I've heard of that, so I wouldn't have it
Speaker 1: any other way.
Speaker 2: It seems like some people are just maybe it's there
Speaker 2: or I don't know what it is. Maybe it's just
Speaker 2: the way they're made or their bloodline, you know. I
Speaker 2: don't really know what causes that, but I definitely know
Speaker 2: that I'm different than a lot of people because of
Speaker 2: being around so many of these things. So because I've
Speaker 2: got friends that hunting the woods for forty plus years,
Speaker 2: they never seen anything. And maybe they have, but they
Speaker 2: didn't know it. But they don't believe in them. They
Speaker 2: think they don't believe I'm lying. They just think I've
Speaker 2: said it's always I've seen a bear. Well, I've seen
Speaker 2: a lot of bears.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen bears in the while too. And the
Speaker 1: stuff I've seen that scared meself. It was not a bear.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know what a bear is, and that's what.
Speaker 1: Was it a bear? Was it a deer? Was it just?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I know what all those things look like, and this
Speaker 1: wasn't any of those things. And I think hunters are
Speaker 1: probably more aware, but even then, depending on what you're hunting,
Speaker 1: you may not be looking up. And I did a
Speaker 1: little experiment one time. I was up near Cleanan the Dome.
Speaker 1: I climbed up a tree near a regular trail there,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't tell you how many people just walked
Speaker 1: right below me, kept right on both directions, had no
Speaker 1: idea that I was up in a tree watching them.
Speaker 1: I could have been anything. I could have been a
Speaker 1: big cat. I could have been a snake going to
Speaker 1: drop down on them. I could have been a human
Speaker 1: predator with ill will. But no, people are not very aware,
Speaker 1: and that's that's what happens, like in a lot of
Speaker 1: these cases that we cover where people just aren't paying attention.
Speaker 1: And you know, there are places you get into one
Speaker 1: misstep and that's it. There are not a lot of
Speaker 1: second chances out there. Mother Nature is a harsh mistress.
Speaker 1: I heard somebody say.
Speaker 2: I agree with that, and I would suggest not anybody,
Speaker 2: not anybody, you know, go hiking into the woods, you know,
Speaker 2: deep in by themselves. You know. The weird thing about
Speaker 2: the woods is when not time comes, it's a whole
Speaker 2: different world, it really is.
Speaker 1: It's not at all like the daytime. There's things out
Speaker 1: there in the dark, and I can test to that.
Speaker 1: I've heard things, smell things, seen things that just aren't
Speaker 1: there in the daytime. Man, there's a whole different feeling.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a palpable change when the sun goes
Speaker 1: down and you're out there. That's when you're really at
Speaker 1: the mercy of nature, I think, is when you're out
Speaker 1: there in the dark.
Speaker 2: I've been pretty deep in by myself and I don't
Speaker 2: do it anymore. But when I was first got into research,
Speaker 2: I would go in by myself quite often. Of course
Speaker 2: it wasn't ten miles, but I've been ten miles in
Speaker 2: by myself, and I wouldn't do it now, but I've
Speaker 2: done it. But I don't think it's safe for anybody
Speaker 2: to do any of that type hiking long, long periods
Speaker 2: of hiking themselves. But you know, it is a little
Speaker 2: it's pretty much proven that most of the people disappear,
Speaker 2: they're all by theirselves, very few of them. There'll be
Speaker 2: sometimes do.
Speaker 1: You hear of a couple or a group of people
Speaker 1: going missing together. It's usually one person will break off
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna walk ahead or I'm gonna sit down.
Speaker 1: You guys, I'll catch up with you and then see
Speaker 1: them get this and go around to the curve in
Speaker 1: the trail, and then they're just gone and leave no trace.
Speaker 1: That's that's what I don't get. Like we were talking
Speaker 1: about earlier, a big cat or a bear or something
Speaker 1: like that, there's gonna be forensic evidence. I've seen photos
Speaker 1: of cat attacks, a bear attacks, and it's not pretty.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's blood, there's a tissue, the torn clothing,
Speaker 1: the ground cover is torn up, and there's been people
Speaker 1: missing where there was absolutely no shred of any kind
Speaker 1: of evidence.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, even some of the ones that they
Speaker 2: when they do find them, to me, it's so weird.
Speaker 2: They'll find a lot of them in two or three
Speaker 2: inches of water. Yeah, I mean it makes them say it.
Speaker 2: So I find their shoes and their clothes and a
Speaker 2: little pile next to the creek mine and they'll find
Speaker 2: them in just enough water that would be very difficult
Speaker 2: round there. And you know, some of those autopsies, if
Speaker 2: you normally come back, they don't know how they died or.
Speaker 1: Left the tail or just other than maybe hypothermia or
Speaker 1: something like that. But again, and a lot of people
Speaker 1: die within just a short distance of the trail.
Speaker 2: Although or they've got searchers and they've covered that area
Speaker 2: ten times, and they'll find them there two guys later
Speaker 2: in the same area they cover.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's almost like if there is something out there
Speaker 1: taking people that it's taunting those search and rescue people.
Speaker 1: That's happened time and time again where a person has
Speaker 1: been found in an area that was previously searched. And
Speaker 1: I participated in some search and rescue stuff back when
Speaker 1: I was much younger, and we walked not quite shoulder
Speaker 1: to shoulder, but you could almost reach out and touch
Speaker 1: the person next to you. You walk that close, it
Speaker 1: would be hard to miss unless you know they're in
Speaker 1: a hole or covered up.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing those green it searches. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: those seem to be pretty credible, And I don't know
Speaker 2: how many times I've heard that if they did find someone,
Speaker 2: it was in that area that they've been over four
Speaker 2: or five times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then again, the obverse of that, I played
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate here. There's a lot of I've heard other
Speaker 1: search and rescue teams say that that, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like finding a needle in a haystack if we don't
Speaker 1: know where they even disappeared from exactly. Sometimes they're not
Speaker 1: even sure what trail these people, And so that's why
Speaker 1: it's important to leave an itinerary, either in your car
Speaker 1: or with somebody you know that will come look for
Speaker 1: you if you don't check in. But if they don't
Speaker 1: have if you decide to go another route or take
Speaker 1: a different trail, they're not even going to know where
Speaker 1: to look. And you know, these places thousands, hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of acres, some of them could be anywhere, and
Speaker 1: you look at like the drone footage and stuff like
Speaker 1: I use on my videos show people at a cliff face,
Speaker 1: and then that zooms out and keeps zooming out and
Speaker 1: zooming out and zoom up to the point that you
Speaker 1: can't even see the people. I mean, they're not even
Speaker 1: as big as ants. And then imagine trying to go
Speaker 1: in a place like that and find a person. They
Speaker 1: could be anything. I could be under a rock or
Speaker 1: behind a bush.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if I was going to go so low,
Speaker 2: even with a group. I've gotten to the point where
Speaker 2: I try to carry one of those personal satellite beacons.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, the perstional locator beacons. I wouldn't go in
Speaker 1: the woods without one. I don't care if you're going
Speaker 1: for a day hike. Things could always go south and
Speaker 1: something can go wrong. And I've had people laugh at me,
Speaker 1: but always I over prepared. If I was going out
Speaker 1: for a day hike, I had enough food and water
Speaker 1: to last me for a couple of days. I had
Speaker 1: a fire source, I had where permissible, I had a firearm.
Speaker 1: I had a flint and steel something to start a
Speaker 1: fire with, you know, And they're like, you know, you're
Speaker 1: just going out for a hike in the state park,
Speaker 1: you're not doing the Apple Life trail and say, but still,
Speaker 1: you never know. I'd rather have it and not need
Speaker 1: it than need it and not have it.
Speaker 2: You know. Stay. We are so many cases of people
Speaker 2: who did come back that were missing that I've heard
Speaker 2: numerous stories of. They say they were hiking a trail
Speaker 2: or something in the woods that they're familiar with, and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden they'd never seen the place
Speaker 2: they were before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what makes me think there's portals, there's
Speaker 1: something out there. I've covered cases like that and even
Speaker 1: interviewed people where I was hiking along and suddenly I realized,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I'm not on the trail. I
Speaker 1: look back behind me. I can't even see where the
Speaker 1: trail was. I was on right now now. And you know, people,
Speaker 1: when you're lost, just part of human nature, I reckon
Speaker 1: you tend to walk in circles and that just expends
Speaker 1: a lot of energy for nothing. So that's why they
Speaker 1: tell you, if you are lost, stay put and wait
Speaker 1: for help, especially if you've got a way to let
Speaker 1: people know that you're lost. But I've often said, if
Speaker 1: I ever get lost in the woods, I'm going to
Speaker 1: start the biggest forest fire they've ever say. Nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was Mount Rainier. I could be
Speaker 2: wrong on this location, and I think that's where it
Speaker 2: was at. There was a gentleman who vanished the air cup.
Speaker 2: It's been six or seven years ago, and they sent
Speaker 2: search teams in for days and weeks and couldn't find
Speaker 2: anything of him. And there was a journalist up there
Speaker 2: like weeks after this happened, and she was hiking the
Speaker 2: same area that he was in tried to find any
Speaker 2: evidence for herself, and she could hear this man yelling,
Speaker 2: help me, and it went on for hours, help me,
Speaker 2: help me, and she couldn't see anything. She couldn't figure
Speaker 2: out where he was yelling from. But by what she recounted,
Speaker 2: I'm here, help me. Somebody helped me, and it was
Speaker 2: like he was in another dimension or something and couldn't
Speaker 2: find his way back. And finally it died down and
Speaker 2: she went and got help and told them, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: this guy's yelling help me. And they search and searts
Speaker 2: and never found anything. But it was lucky, Like I said,
Speaker 2: he was in some other topic dimension and he could
Speaker 2: see them on or he could hear them and he
Speaker 2: was yelling, help me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I covered the case one time a woman had
Speaker 1: gone missing and she could see the searchers. She couldn't
Speaker 1: get to them because of the brush and stuff where
Speaker 1: she was at, but she could see them. She was yelling,
Speaker 1: she was waving, she was man and she said they
Speaker 1: just went right past her. So again, that points to
Speaker 1: something that what is that. I think there's portals, or
Speaker 1: there's time slips or something that happens out there.
Speaker 2: There's something we don't understand and I don't know what
Speaker 2: it is. But you know how many times have you
Speaker 2: heard about these kids? They'll find them on top of
Speaker 2: bluff that nobody could even climb.
Speaker 1: Yeah. A couple of years ago covered that Riker webcase.
Speaker 1: A kid wandered off and they found him two miles away.
Speaker 1: He had had to go like up a mountain and
Speaker 1: down the other side. He was at a cabin out
Speaker 1: in their shed, sleeping or resting in a grasp bag
Speaker 1: for the mower to catch grass, and they heard him
Speaker 1: talking and there, but apparently he was just talking to himself.
Speaker 1: And the pictures when they brought him out of there,
Speaker 1: he's wearing these little footy pajamas. His feet aren't even dirty,
Speaker 1: and then it rained and snowed. You not told me
Speaker 1: that kid walked for two miles in the mountains in
Speaker 1: those footy pajamas didn't even get dirty.
Speaker 2: Makes no sense at all. It's hard. It's hard to
Speaker 2: fathom it really is. It really is. How could it
Speaker 2: be possible.
Speaker 1: It's indeed a strange world out there. Well, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go ahead and cut this one short tonight, but I'd
Speaker 1: like to have you come back sometime and talk some.
Speaker 2: About Darter to come back. Stay. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for having me on, and I hope the audience enjoyed
Speaker 2: what I could tell him that I've experienced.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure they will. And I appreciate that that
Speaker 1: exclusive there that you gave us. She said, you never
Speaker 1: told that before. Any of your friends knew it, but
Speaker 1: you'd never talked about it on any show that you've
Speaker 1: been on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I've always been kind of leary of
Speaker 2: telling it. You know, I was even shocked myself when
Speaker 2: I heard it, and you know, because a lot of
Speaker 2: people won't believe that, but it happened, and it was
Speaker 2: so shocking to me at the time. You know, it
Speaker 2: was really shocking when I heard that word.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, that's amazing. Well, tell the people where
Speaker 1: they can find you at.
Speaker 2: You can find me at Bigfoot Believers and other Creatures.
Speaker 2: And I appreciate if you would support me and our
Speaker 2: group and join if you're not a member, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah on Facebook. Yeah I'll put a link in the
Speaker 1: show notes.
Speaker 2: And you know, if you wouldn't mind supporting my good
Speaker 2: friend Barton Unley and human Ods. He has a new channel,
Speaker 2: and uh, he's just a super most nice guy you
Speaker 2: ever meet. Barton.
Speaker 1: Martin's a great guy. Like I said, he wrote some
Speaker 1: stuff for me that I narrate and turned into into
Speaker 1: a project called Weird World that's on this channel or
Speaker 1: actually on my YouTube channel. I forget where I'm at.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm on the radio right now, but that's up
Speaker 1: on my YouTube channel. But Barton's got some amazing stories too.
Speaker 1: And then Humanoids, it's one of my favorite books.
Speaker 2: Great friend and plitician, he both. And also you know,
Speaker 2: Martin Grove has been my best friend forty two years.
Speaker 2: He's got a new book coming out. If you had
Speaker 2: seen his books, you had to check him. They're amazing.
Speaker 1: I will check him out and.
Speaker 2: If you won't hear anything about the quantum of how
Speaker 2: these things can change the way they do.
Speaker 1: I'm going to look that one up. I've got that
Speaker 1: in my Amazon cart. Thanks for the tip on that,
Speaker 1: And I'm going to talk to Barton and see if
Speaker 1: I get him on here. He's very entertaining individual. Have
Speaker 1: you yet to meet the man? I was supposed to
Speaker 1: go to Josh Turner at a dog band conference the
Speaker 1: first time? Are you there?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And wrote down together.
Speaker 1: I did didn't make it either. One. I was supposed
Speaker 1: to be at the first one in Paris, Tennessee, and uh,
Speaker 1: I'd actually rented a hunting cabin in the Land Between
Speaker 1: the Lakes area, So I found out. I spoke at
Speaker 1: a UFO conference in San Francisco a few years ago,
Speaker 1: and I found out that it's not a good idea
Speaker 1: to stay at the venue because I couldn't step outside
Speaker 1: my hotel room door people wanting selfies or want me
Speaker 1: to sign this or that people and stuff. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought, well, I'll stay here in Land between Lakes.
Speaker 1: I was looking forward to what would happened up there,
Speaker 1: But then the person that was going to drive me
Speaker 1: there came down with COVID and I didn't get to
Speaker 1: make the trip and then had a lot of other
Speaker 1: stuff going on this year, couldn't go to one in Texas.
Speaker 1: But maybe one day my wife and I'll make it
Speaker 1: to one of those conference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the first dog Man conference of course,
Speaker 2: Josh Turner Man Josh.
Speaker 1: If you don't know Josh, he's a good game.
Speaker 2: You got to meet Josh because Josh is a trade
Speaker 2: good hearted individual. He hadn't always seen that way, but
Speaker 2: he really is. His first conference I'm in then Nemeros
Speaker 2: conference is but that was, and I've been fortunate enough
Speaker 2: to be a speaker at quite a few of them.
Speaker 2: But he's he's just incredible. Josh is and he's he
Speaker 2: also I'm in chapter four of his book, Bigfoot Encounters,
Speaker 2: along with over other people. But uh, he's really Uh
Speaker 2: he has some great conferences.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I'd say that the first dog Man conference he had
Speaker 2: in Mween Lakes was the best conference I've ever been to.
Speaker 2: Of course, that was the first time Martin had finally
Speaker 2: broke down and told his story on the show. Martin
Speaker 2: Groves on the stage and you know, uh, just I
Speaker 2: appreciate everyone and uh, and you know, Joe and Jesse
Speaker 2: do a lot of hell then holler. These guys were
Speaker 2: in the woods. I don't know anybody's boots on the ground,
Speaker 2: like they are they going to lbl by the wasself
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night and just walk for miles. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're pretty brave. You know. We've had some incredible counters there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But that's that's the best way to do it.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's you canfully you have a chance encounter.
Speaker 1: But I think if you get out there and look
Speaker 1: for it, then you're you're more likely to maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know, not all Well, you know.
Speaker 2: Your chances of encountering something are going to increase, and
Speaker 2: you put yourself close to them, so you know you've
Speaker 2: got at least for you out there. You can't just
Speaker 2: sit in a chair and expect to see one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well there again, it's been a pleasure speaking to you.
Speaker 1: I'll put the link in the show notes see if
Speaker 1: I can get Barton to join us on here. But
Speaker 1: thanks again for all that you do.
Speaker 2: To thank you again, David, and I appreciate you getting
Speaker 2: me plug my friends and people, and I'm very honored
Speaker 2: to be on your show, Steve. I'll be glad to
Speaker 2: come back again.
Speaker 1: All right. Absolutely. Listeners here on Clydelissen's ground zero Radio Network,
Speaker 1: well really appreciate the stories you had to tell, and
Speaker 1: we'll ask for you to come back. So you have
Speaker 1: a good evening and stay blessed. Daryl, thanks again, are
Speaker 1: you too?
Speaker 2: Thank you, Steve.
Speaker 1: I'm Steve Stockton. You've been listening to everything out there
Speaker 1: on the Clyde Lewis ground zero Radio Network. I'll see
Speaker 1: a little further on down the trail. Tell your animals
Speaker 1: that said Hi, good night everybody.