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Speaker 2: Alrighty, so let's get into this Epstein stuff. Why not?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 1: So many different facets of this I have covered this
for years. I spent a good bit of time this
weekend reading some stuff and listening to some podcasts with
some people. So I feel like I am now qualified
to offer all sorts of insights.
Speaker 2: And here's my bottom line. I have no idea. I
don't know.
Speaker 1: I have heard so many different things from so many
different people. I don't know what's going on except one thing.
This is some crap man, Okay, Like that's we need,
all right? The administration needs to come clean on whatever
it is that they've got. They need to just share
the stuff, the stuff that they can't see now Part
of the issue here is that the FBI has all
of this material, all of this evidence, and you can't
release this stuff for public consumption because it's porn. It's
yeah with kids, so you can't release it, right, But
there's a whole bunch of other stuff that you can release.
And I understand now that there are people inside the
administration and they just want this thing to go away.
Speaker 2: Not the least of whom is Donald Try.
Speaker 1: He got very agitated when somebody asked him about Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2: And this was like a week ago.
Speaker 1: I was on vacation, so I didn't I wasn't keeping
up with everything in real time, so the days all
kind of mixed together. But you know, he was asked
about this. I think it was one of those cabinet
meetings whatever, and he got all upset, Why are you
still talking about this guy? You know, he's you know,
he never dies. Just you know, let it go or
moving on whatever, whatever. But there's this fight also inside
the administration. You've got these different camps, and you've got
these personalities and people that were you know, beating this
drum for years about the Epstein client list, and why
don't they release the client list. I have said the
same thing, and they were doing like Cash Pateel doing
a podcast, Dan Bongino doing his radio show.
Speaker 2: They were saying these things.
Speaker 1: Then they get in there and then they're like, he
didn't kill or he did kill himself, right, we looked
at it, he killed himself.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: Then they put out the video and the video isn't
actually from the jail cell. Apparently there were a couple
of cameras that weren't working, so they released this other
video and there's like sixty seconds of the video missing.
And then they come out and say, well, that's because
it resets every night at the same time. It's one
of these old systems or whatever, and it resets. But
I don't know what to make of any of it.
That's why I don't know special investigator, special counsel, put somebody,
put somebody in charge, and have them put out a
full report. I don't know what else to say, like
because now I'm not trusting anybody's public statements because they're
just all over the place. So yesterday House Republicans voted
against a Democrat amendment to a landmark cryptocurrency piece of
legislation that would force the Justice Department to release the
Epstein files. Okay, so now you got democrats. They have
seen what's going on. They are aware of the fight
that is occurring inside Magaland or Megaworld. I like Magaland better.
Magalan sounds like it sounds more fun, you know, almost
like an amusement park.
Speaker 2: Magaland.
Speaker 1: Anyway, there's this fight going on. You got Pam Bondi,
you got Cash Pateel, you got Dan Bongino, you got
Tucker Carlson, you got Ben Shapiro. You got all these people,
and they've all got different, you know, public statements about
what's going on and who Jeffrey Epstein was in the history,
and what the indictment said, and what the sweetheart deal
was by the Acosta guy. Remember that guy cut the
sweetheart deal for Jeffrey Epstein. Then you got some quote
that was attributed to him, but he said no, not really.
That was you don't believe everything you read, which wasn't
really a denial.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's just.
Speaker 1: Like anybody who says they know what happened is a
liar who's on the outside. Okay, unless you've actually seen
And here's the thing, I don't even know if Dan
Bongino's actually seen everything there is to see. I don't
know if they've seen all of the files. You don't either.
Nobody does. They say we reviewed it. We're telling you
he did kill himself. Now we have to trust him
or we have to believe that Trump and his administration
are now covering up just like Joe Biden and his
administration covered up. Right?
Speaker 2: Is that what we have to believe now?
Speaker 1: Is it because Donald Trump, as Elon Musk alleged that
he was one of the that he was on an
Epstein flighter, he was in the Epstein client list or whatever.
I find it hard to believe that if he was,
that the Democrats would not have released that information to
keep Trump from winning. I mean, obviously, why wouldn't they.
Why wouldn't they have prosecuted him for that? So I
don't believe that Trump is on the client list. And
I've heard reports and denials that there's even a client list.
There's just like a black book of addresses and contacts
of people's names and phone numbers, right, But that doesn't
mean that those people were participating in the crimes that
Jeffrey Epstein and Pedophile Island was running. It just means
that he got their phone numbers somehow, and so you
would like if you were in that book, because you,
I don't know, maybe you ran a shop and you
had somebody Jeffrey Epstein come in and oh, I'm going
to buy something. It's custom RTAR, and so I'm going to,
you know, make this thing for you and you exchange
numbers or whatever.
Speaker 2: Now you're in this.
Speaker 1: Book of his, and then ten years, fifteen years down
the road, this thing gets published and everybody in the
book now is like accused of being a pedophile. There's
a reason why the Department of Justice and even you know,
state prosecutors they don't always identify everybody in their investigations
when they're not the targets of the investigation.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You see this all the time where they will say,
you know S one. They did this with Elliot Spitzer,
Remember he was client number nine. They didn't identify him
initially in the charging documents against What was her name?
Speaker 2: Was that Heidi flettn Was it Heidi Flies or is
that California?
Speaker 1: I don't remember, but it was the prostitution operation, the
sting that they ran up in New York where they
got Elliot.
Speaker 2: Spitzer, the governor.
Speaker 1: So I don't That's what I mean, Like, I'm trying
to I'm trying to make heads or tails of this stuff.
And even from I'm listening to arguments from people inside
Magaland and they are disagreeing. And then you've got to wonder, Okay,
what are their incentives to promote whatever line they are
trying to promote. So you have this Rules Committee meeting,
House Rules Committee meeting chaired by North Carolina Congresswoman Virginia Fox,
and the Democrats see this fight happening, and so now
they're trying to divide Magaland. That's what they are interested in.
They don't care about the pedophilia. They don't care about
Jeffrey Epstein. They never did. They never paid any attention
to this story. But now, oh, there is blood in
the water. Now they have an opportunity to drive a
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House Rules Committee met yesterday. Democrats tried to add to
a piece of cryptocurrency legislation a measure that would force
the Justice Department to release the Jeffrey Epstein files. It
is the outcome they were obviously rejected, prevented from doing so.
It is the outcome Democrats anticipated, and one they plan
to gleefully cite as President Trump continues to grapple with
the MAGA fallout over the DOJ's handling of the documents.
This is according to Axios dot com, a piece by
Andrew Solander. Quote from Representative Roe Kanna, the author of
the Epstein measure, told Axios ahead of the vote, quote,
the question with Epstein is whose side are you on?
Are you on the side of the rich and powerful,
or are you on the side of the people. He said,
right again, they never cared one whit about.
Speaker 2: The Epstein files.
Speaker 1: Trump ran on getting them all released, and then he
gets in there and now you got his administration saying
now we looked at it all over, everything's fine. That said,
there's nothing else there, and that's got a lot of
people in Maga land upset. But not Hank Johnson, Not
Hank Johnson. No, no, Hank Johnson. He is so happy.
He is singing. He's singing about it. Hank Johnson, remember him,
the congressman from Georgia who thought that Guam would capsize
if we put too many troops on it because it's
an island. Not kidding, He literally said that. Hank Johnson
busted out his guitar and wrote a little diddy.
Speaker 3: Here john and coming to give you some more ear
candy or perhaps an ear ache. But I'm gonna do
my best off of this. Jason isbel Tune dream Sickle.
Speaker 4: It's no time by suicide, but not that you must
be flying. You've been telling us you've released the file,
but where are they.
Speaker 2: We're gonna alone with what's been told. We've had plenty
of time.
Speaker 4: You're in control. What do you say you will withhold
the stained five dream sickle on summer in a fool
jumps howling at the moon, release the Eppstown file soon.
Speaker 1: The man's got range, I will say that he has
like is that the voice that you would have anticipated
hearing from Hank Johnson? Once again? I'm not gonna play
the whole song again. It was only a minute, not even,
but listen to the.
Speaker 3: Range unglessman heighten Johnson coming to give you some more
ear candy or perhaps ear eight.
Speaker 2: It was a ear eight.
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna do my best off of this. Jason
isbel Ton Dreamsickle.
Speaker 4: Suicide.
Speaker 2: Why did you go so high on that? He did it?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: I feel like he got close to the notes though,
so I give him credit because he's got range. I mean,
so that would be gleefully I think, as Axios called it,
that the Democrats are planning.
Speaker 2: To gleefully cited. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the House Rules Committee voted no on the measure,
which would have forced Attorney General Pam Bondi to publish
all documents related to Epstein on a publicly accessible website. Again,
remember there are documents in there that identify underage victims
of human trafficking and pedophilia right statutory rate. And Democrats
are like post everything, put it all online.
Speaker 2: Like whoaoa, whoa, whoa, why.
Speaker 1: Do you want all these pictures of these young girls on?
I mean, I'm not ascribing motive here, I'm just asking questions.
Republicans said the amendment was not pertinent to the Genius Act,
which is the cryptocurrency legislation which would create the first
regulatory framework for stable coins, nor was it relevant to
the Defense funding bill that they were also taking up. Now,
there was one Republican who voted with the Democrats, and
it was Ralph Norman from South Carolina, right across the
border here, crossed over and voted with the Panels for
Democrats in favor of attaching the amendment. He told Axios
the public's been asking for it. I think there are files.
All of a sudden, not to have files is a
little strange. We'll see how it plays out. I think
the president will do the right thing. Jim McGovern, Democrat
from Taxachusetts. He says, I want to know what the
hell is in these files?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: He curts, So you know he's serious. Oh he's fighting
so hard, right, because that's how you know. Democrats are
fighting for their base. They got to take the fight
to Trump. And the first way they do that is
by just sprinkling in some curse words. Okay, so he
did that. I want to know what the hell is
in these files? This is about trust, Republicans said, trust us,
vote for us, and we will release these files. Well,
here we are, and they're backtracking. And he's not wrong,
by the way, like they are backtracking. This from the
Washington Times. House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffreys said that President
Trump should be more transparent about the DOJ's investigation in
this whole sordid Jeffrey Epstein matter. The New York Democrats said,
mister Trump, Attorney General Pam Bondi, and high profile Maga
figures have painted themselves into a corner by fanning the
flames of conspiracy theories around Epstein's death and his so
called client list for years, and now the chickens have
come home to roost, he said, and the American people
deserve to know the truth. Well wait a minute, were
they just were they just painting themselves into the corner
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message from a seven oh four number? Is the Epstein
issue relevant to me as a taxpayer getting any more
money or rather saving money for the American people?
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure because one of the theories that's out
there is that Epstein was a was running a honeypot
essentially a tactic that the CIA learned from the mafia
decades ago. The Russians do it. Intel agencies do this
all the time. You run a honeypot and then you
use the people that you trap, and you use that
against them, and you blackmail them and extort them, you
get them to do things for you.
Speaker 2: Right. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, if if this was a CIA operation, or
if the or if the CIA knew and they turned
a blind eye to it, and that's how he got
the sweetheart deal down in Florida because he was somehow
either an asset to an intelligence agency either HOURS or
some other some other countries, or he had dirt on
all of these powerful people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it could.
Speaker 1: Have an impact on UH taxpayer funds, absolutely, But if
that's the only metric you're going by, then yeah, I
mean I'd say the case is weakest from a you know,
my wallet standpoint, no doubt about it. But you know,
to be fair, I talk about stuff all the time
that's not necessarily about your wallet. I talk about cultural
issues and philosophy and politics and policy and that sort
of thing. So I cannot be constrained by by simple
you know, a fiscal fiscal framework here, I don't know.
I tend to think that if these theories are actually true,
that whether or not our government aided embedded knew of
turned a blind eye to a multi year child sex
trafficking operation that ensnared powerful people from all over the world. Like,
I think that's an important story. So yeah, I'm going
to keep covering it and hopefully we do get the
we do get the some more transparency from the administration.
Now that being said, there's another part of it that
may not affect your tax payer or your your taxes
or what you're paying or what you're getting or your
wallet or whatever. It may not directly impact that, but
it it very well could in an indirect way, which is,
if it divides the MAGA supporters, it divides the base,
which then of course leads to electoral losses for Trump
and MAGA Republicans. And if they lose and they end
up fighting each other, they lose, Democrats come back into power.
And by the way, there are people inside MAGO world
that are in fact trying to drive a wedge along
with Democrats, right, because there are a lot of things
that you could count as wins for Donald Trump over
the last what six months now, particularly over the last
three weeks. For example, we got the border closed, right,
the tariffs are in place. Trade seems to be I
don't know, balancing itself out right. We've got, yes, more
threats of tariffs and the like. But there was also
some reports about all of the tariff revue coming in.
We're not going to be paying to arm all of
the NATO countries. They just up their pledges. I talked
about that yesterday. Blew up Iran's nuclear arms program, right,
firing a bunch of people, cutting administrative positions, combating human
trafficking of kids, right. So, I mean we got some wins,
and so now you've got this Epstein issue because of
the way it's been handled, I would submit, now you've
got people that should be celebrating these wins that are
now arguing with each other, and Democrats are taking full
advantage of it. Again, that will redown to the disadvantage
of the Republicans come the mid terms. Trump has faced.
According to the Washington Times piece by Seth McLaughlin, Trump
has faced stiff blowback from his usually intensely loyal magabase
over the way the Department of Justice and the FBI
handled the Epstein case. Democrats are seizing whoa, I did
not know Democrats could seize upon things good for the
Washington Times. There's no pouncing yet, but seizing. Yes, Democrats
are seizing on the uproar to drive a wedge between
Trump and those diehard supporters uh haw. Kim Jeffries said
Trump and Bondie were either quote intentionally lying about the
Epstein files for years, or they are engaging in a
cover up to protect Trump, his family, his friends, and
his billionaire corrupt supporters. It can only be one of
those two things, which that's not true. That's a false choice.
Always beware of people that give you an A or
B option, like you either do this thing that I
agree with and is awesome, or you're you know, you're
going to do this other thing and then you're a Nazi.
Speaker 2: So always be on guard for the false choice. Okay.
Speaker 1: And that's what this is too, because people eating the
Epstein's story as it unfolded over the last decade. Those
people have theorized because of the lack of information that
was provided in the years past. They have been theorizing,
They have been promoting theories, they have been saying, I
think this thing happened, I think that thing happened. I'm
going to release files. I'm going to tell you what
really happened. And then they get in there and maybe
they did look and they were like, oh, well, you
know I was wrong. It wasn't that they were intentionally lying.
They were hypothesizing because they didn't have the actual files. Epstein,
the financier convicted sex offender, killed himself in twenty nineteen,
and there's debate about that. Did he actually kill himself
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more transparent. This is from a conservativebrief dot Com, a
piece by John Doherty, but he's quoting heavily from Just
the News, which is John Solomon's outfit. The Justice Department
no a federal court that it is conducting an ongoing
review of documents related to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein
as part of a Freedom of Information Act case that
was filed by Judicial Watch. Yesterday, the DOJ and Judicial
Watch submitted a joint status report to the court regarding
the watchdog group's lawsuit from April about their Foyer request.
Now they made that Feyer Request freedom of Information Act
FOYER request back in February for all records related to Epstein.
Part of the Judicial watch request was for records depicting
the identities of clients or associates of Epstein. The watchdog
group filed the lawsuit against both the DOJ and FBI
after they failed to adequately respond to three separate Foyer requests.
This report was filed the day after a joint Justice
Department FBI memo was obtained by Axios and published, which
raised all sorts of other questions like why is somebody
in the DJ feeding stuff to Axios? And in this
report from the DJ, it said a systematic review revealed
no incriminating client list. There was also no credible evidence
found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions.
This is what sent everybody over the edge, was this
Axios report just ahead of the Attorney Point USA Charlie
Kirk's event this past weekend. Right, this is why everybody
was talking about this. Everybody was so mad about it, and
this is why it's all boiling over. I've heard stories
also that Bongino, Dan Bongino, whose cash Betel's you know,
assistant deputy whatever at the FBI. Bongino is off at
Pam Bondi because she totally bricked the rollout of the
information she gave all of those social media influencers. Those binders,
they walk out of the White House, they're showing the binders.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got the Epstein files.
Speaker 1: And then it turns out to be just like mostly
redacted pages that were already released to the public.
Speaker 2: And everybody was like, what are you doing? Why would
you do that?
Speaker 1: And so Bongino's banded Bondi Bondi planted some stories about Bongino.
They had a yelling match or something. Donald Trump had
to get involved and like talk them off the ledge.
The report from the DOJ also said it did not
uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties.
The Justice Department and FBI are sending out contradictory messages
telling the American people that no more Epstein material will
be released, while telling the federal court in this filing
yesterday that the Epstein Foyer review is still proceeding.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: That's according to Tom Fitton, he is the president of
Judicial Watch. There's another component here. Dislaine Maxwell. She was
Epstein's associate. She is serving a twenty year prison sentence
for child sex trafficking, and related crimes. There were reports
a couple of weeks ago that she was willing to
talk to spill the beans. She's in jail, she has
not killed herself or been killed. And I just started
to think, if Epstein was gotten to by really powerful people,
right that didn't want him to talk, and right they
had to get rid of him.
Speaker 2: Why not her too?
Speaker 1: She knew everything, right, and now she's she's saying she'll
talk about it all, So why wouldn't they take her
out as well? And then there was attorney Alan Dershowitz.
He went on a podcast with Sean Spicer, Trump's former
Comm's guy. Alan Dershowitz said, I know the names of
the individuals. I know why they're being suppressed. I know
who is suppressing them, but I am bound by confidentiality
from a judge and cases, and I can't disclose what
I know, going on to say that he was once
falsely accused of being one of Epstein's clients. He also
said during his interview with Spicer that the list is
being withheld in an effort to protect those involved with
Epstein's crimes. He said, I know the names of people
whose files are being suppressed in order to protect them,
and that's wrong. Something else that Alan Dershowitz said. He
said this on the Piers Morgan Show. He said, because
he represented Jeffrey Epstein, he got Epstein that sweetheart deal
down in Florida, which he said Epstein was mad at
him for Epstein wanted a better deal. He thought he
got screwed over. He didn't like the job that Dershowitz did.
But Dershowitz said that when he talked to Epstein, he said,
do you have any government connections, Like was any of
this stuff part of any kind of government intel agency work,
because then that obviously would get you off the hook,
like we could say that and then they would drop
the case. And Epstein said, no, I don't know what's
true people. So I'm just trying to lead. Just go
where the facts leave me real quick. Trump posted today
that he has learned that Fannie May's Financial Crimes Division
has concluded that Adam Schiff has engaged in a sustained
pattern of possible mortgage fraud, saying that his primary residence
was in Maryland to get a cheaper mortgage and rip
off America when he has to live in California because
he was a congressman from California, and a shift then said, oh,
you're just saying that because I tried to get you impeached,
but he never denied it. He never denied this, so
I'll be watching that too, all right.
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