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Speaker 1: KRSE Morning Show. Completely changing gears to a very positive meeting.
Speaker 1: Apparently we have on the program the return of Ohio's
Speaker 1: Secretary of State, Frank LeRose. Frank, always a real pleasure
Speaker 1: having you on the program.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for having me back, Brian, looking forward to
Speaker 3: this conversation and hope things are going well for you.
Speaker 1: Things going great as far as great goes. But understand,
Speaker 1: speaking of great that you had what might be described
Speaker 1: as a great meeting with the White House regarding voter integrity.
Speaker 1: The other day I saw your post on social media
Speaker 1: about that, declaring it a very productive meeting. What was
Speaker 1: the purpose of the meeting, What did you discuss and
Speaker 1: what do we have to look forward to?
Speaker 2: Frank LeRose, Yeah, this is a group.
Speaker 3: That has grown in the last several months. Way back
Speaker 3: in February, just a month into the new administration, myself
Speaker 3: and one or two other secretaries of State got together
Speaker 3: with the President's policy team. At that point, they were
Speaker 3: just in the development process of the Executive Order on
Speaker 3: Election Integrity that the President has done. And then we
Speaker 3: met again in April and it was a larger group,
Speaker 3: and now getting together in July, we had I think
Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty other secretaries of State from around the country, including,
Speaker 3: by the way, a bipartisan represent I'm proud to say
Speaker 3: we were able to get a few Democrats to join
Speaker 3: in the conversation, and that's good. That's how elections administration
Speaker 3: should work. And largely what the conversation.
Speaker 2: Was about is list maintenance.
Speaker 3: Now you may start to think snooze, boring, list maintenance,
Speaker 3: absolutely not actually, in fact, one of the most important
Speaker 3: things that elections officials do is maintain accurate voter rules.
Speaker 2: And it's hard. We've been leading the charge on this.
Speaker 3: In Ohio for a long time and kind of setting
Speaker 3: the example for the rest of the country. And how
Speaker 3: do you maintain accurate voter rules?
Speaker 2: What does this mean? Taking dead people off.
Speaker 3: The rules, taking making sure non citizens never get on
Speaker 3: the voter rules, right when people move from one county
Speaker 3: to another, or god forbid, somebody moved out of Ohio.
Speaker 2: Don't know why they would want to do that, making
Speaker 2: sure they.
Speaker 3: Get removed from the voter rules. So those are the
Speaker 3: things that we've done in Ohio for a long time,
Speaker 3: but we've had to work around the federal government. Not
Speaker 3: so much with the federal government, even though they are
Speaker 3: a repository of a lot of this data.
Speaker 2: That we need to do voter list maintenance.
Speaker 3: In fact, last year I had to sue the Biden
Speaker 3: administration to try to get some basic citizenship data so
Speaker 3: that we could prevent non citizens from becoming registered to vote.
Speaker 3: I can tell you it's been a complete change of
Speaker 3: attitude with the Trump administration and what they're doing is
Speaker 3: truly remarkable. Because they're pulling together all these different parts
Speaker 3: of the federal government, and isn't that what an executive
Speaker 3: is supposed to do and getting them to actually do
Speaker 3: the job. You see, the Social Security Administration.
Speaker 2: Has good data on who has.
Speaker 3: Died because they don't want to send those Social Security
Speaker 3: checks anymore. So Social Security is really good at that,
Speaker 3: but they wouldn't give us that data. Finally, they are
Speaker 3: the Department of Homeland Security has pretty good data on
Speaker 3: who's the citizen and who's not, but they made it
Speaker 3: enormously hard for us to get a hold of that.
Speaker 3: Until recently, the federal government didn't always know what the
Speaker 3: left in the right hand was doing. But the Trump
Speaker 3: administration's pulling all those entities together to make this thing
Speaker 3: called the Save database work. The Save Database is what
Speaker 3: secretaries of State are are now able to use in
Speaker 3: a much more streamlined way to maintain the accuracy of
Speaker 3: our voter rules. And I couldn't be happier with the
Speaker 3: work that the Trump administration is doing. By the way,
Speaker 3: previous administrations told us that this would take years to do,
Speaker 3: It would.
Speaker 2: Cost millions of dollars. They may never be able.
Speaker 3: To get the project done to do this, and the
Speaker 3: Trump administration's done it like in the last five months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need a new laws for immigration on the
Speaker 1: books before we could stop the open border from happening.
Speaker 1: And oh look, no new law, the borders shut down.
Speaker 1: It is amazing what a change of administration can bring about.
Speaker 2: Leadership.
Speaker 3: Leadership matters. And I'll tell you what, government is excellent
Speaker 3: at making excuses. And there's a lot of good people
Speaker 3: that work in government, don't get me wrong, But deep
Speaker 3: within the bureaucracy, whether it's a city hall, a county government,
Speaker 3: a state government, or the federal government, are a lot
Speaker 3: of people who are just wired to say no because
Speaker 3: it's safer that way. Well, the federal government has not
Speaker 3: always moved this fast, but the President has got his
Speaker 3: team saying, yes, yes, we can do this.
Speaker 2: We can find a way to access this information, by
Speaker 2: the way, in a way that is secure.
Speaker 3: And maintains confidentiality for people's personal information. But we can
Speaker 3: use the vast troves of data that the federal government
Speaker 3: has to maintain accurate voterals.
Speaker 2: It is our job.
Speaker 3: And by the way, it's actually called for in legislation
Speaker 3: that was passed years ago. They just keep telling us
Speaker 3: they couldn't do it. Finally, this administration is making it happen.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess I'm kind of curious to know what
Speaker 1: the argument was in the years they were fighting against
Speaker 1: your getting access to this critically important information that they have, Like,
Speaker 1: for example, the Social Security Administration. Now we know that
Speaker 1: they have two hundred year old people still apparently perceived
Speaker 1: as alive. That's being worked out and fixed. But generally speaking,
Speaker 1: let's seem for the sake of discussion, they have some
Speaker 1: really good, valuable information on who's died. What possible reason
Speaker 1: could they articulate for not letting you have it? Because
Speaker 1: federal law does not allow dead people to vote in elections.
Speaker 1: You want those off the roles just to prevent fraud
Speaker 1: from happening. Isn't that a concept that should be universally embraced,
Speaker 1: regardless of political strife.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And listen, the data that those Security administration has
Speaker 3: is pretty good because they don't want to send checks
Speaker 3: to dead people. Anybody that's had a loved one pass
Speaker 3: and we haven't in my family just in the last year,
Speaker 3: those Social Security checks stop pretty pretty abruptly. They're usually
Speaker 3: pretty much on top of that. What we had used
Speaker 3: for years is and we still use this. By the way,
Speaker 3: because this is a multi layer approach, is we use
Speaker 3: the Ohio Department of Health and we get that list
Speaker 3: from them every month. I actually passed the bill when
Speaker 3: I was in the state Senate that created this process.
Speaker 3: Ten years ago this didn't exist, but every month the
Speaker 3: Department of Health tells us who has passed. We used
Speaker 3: that list to remove them from the vterals. The challenge
Speaker 3: comes in about people that pass away in another state
Speaker 3: or even God forbid, out of the country, because the
Speaker 3: depth record is generally created where the person is deceased.
Speaker 3: So if you're at your place in the Carolinas or
Speaker 3: Florida or whatever else in you.
Speaker 2: Pass, we may not know about it.
Speaker 3: And obviously the federal government is able to aggregate that
Speaker 3: at a fifty state level much more effectively. You asked
Speaker 3: the question what was their excuse. Their excuse was generally
Speaker 3: some version of you hay seeds out there in flyover
Speaker 3: country wouldn't know what to do with this complicated government data,
Speaker 3: and you would probably incorrectly remove people from the voterals.
Speaker 3: There was a bit of a great deal of arrogance.
Speaker 3: In fact, a person from the Department of Homeland Security
Speaker 3: last year when we were asking them to be able
Speaker 3: to query their database using common numbers like last four
Speaker 3: of US Social Security never paired with data birth, full name, address,
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. She was saying, well, we used
Speaker 3: to allow states to do that, but we think that
Speaker 3: they were misusing it.
Speaker 2: So we stopped, and I said, well, trust us.
Speaker 3: It's my statutory responsibility to remove people from the voter uals,
Speaker 3: for example non citizens, and keep them off the voter roles.
Speaker 2: So trust me with that data and make it available
Speaker 2: to us.
Speaker 3: Again, we had to sue the Biden administration to get that,
Speaker 3: and so it was a lot of arrogance from the
Speaker 3: people in DC.
Speaker 1: Quite honestly, I can't chalk it off as arrogance. What
Speaker 1: I think it is is actually that they want to
Speaker 1: create an environment where it is possible for people to
Speaker 1: vote who are not lawfully entitled to vote. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've got all these blue states that are losing hemorrhaging
Speaker 1: taxpayers and replacing them with illegal immigrants. It's happened in California,
Speaker 1: it's happened in New York, New Jersey, all the other
Speaker 1: really high tax states that everybody's fled I think some
Speaker 1: of them even said the quiet part out loud is
Speaker 1: we need of these people here for the purpose of
Speaker 1: maintaining a certain number of representatives in the House. But
Speaker 1: more fundamentally, if they're allowed to vote, this certainly could
Speaker 1: be large numbers influencing the outcome of the election.
Speaker 3: Well, Brian, maybe I was very carefully answering the exact
Speaker 3: question you asked me, because you asked me the reason,
Speaker 3: the reason that they gave me one that we couldn't
Speaker 3: handle it. But what you're getting to is their motivation
Speaker 3: behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: And yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3: I think that it's a mix of just that insidious.
Speaker 3: Some people, particularly on the left, just want the vote
Speaker 3: voter rules to be voted. Others just don't believe it's
Speaker 3: a problem, and they say, well, you know, nobody would
Speaker 3: actually try to commit voter fraud. It's exceedingly rare. And
Speaker 3: I'll be the first to tell you as a percentage
Speaker 3: of the overall total of votes, it is a It
Speaker 3: is a small number. We see, you know, dozens or hundreds.
Speaker 3: We prosecute them, and we make sure that people face
Speaker 3: justice when they do.
Speaker 2: Try to break the law. But here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Elections in Ohio come down to small margins all over
Speaker 3: the country, and yet it's probably not going to determine
Speaker 3: a governor's race or a US Senate race. But you
Speaker 3: know what, it can make a big difference in a
Speaker 3: fool board election or a little.
Speaker 2: Tax levy, a mayor's race. We've had mayors.
Speaker 3: Races in Ohio within the last couple of years that.
Speaker 2: Came down to a coin flip.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so don't tell me one fraudulent vote is
Speaker 3: something that we can just you know, let go by.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess I saw an article about Georgia. Was
Speaker 1: a Secretary of State Brad Rafthensburger part of your working group.
Speaker 1: Brad was Yeah, because he just announced they're removing four
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty thousand inactive voters in their state's voter rolls.
Speaker 1: And so obviously that a potential looming problem right there.
Speaker 1: And there's there's four hundred and eighty thousand people it
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been on the voter roles in the in
Speaker 1: the first.
Speaker 2: Instance, And kudos to Brad for doing that.
Speaker 3: We haven't always been on the same sheet on the things.
Speaker 3: But but but Brad's an engineer by training, he's a
Speaker 3: he comes with a background in construction and architecture, and
Speaker 3: he's a good mind when it comes to the analytical
Speaker 3: set of things.
Speaker 2: We're doing the same in Ohio.
Speaker 3: We do it every year now, so our numbers don't
Speaker 3: necessarily get that large. But we've got a couple hundred
Speaker 3: thousand that we're removing in September. Now, what you're going
Speaker 3: to hear is that just watch for this on social
Speaker 3: media and in the newspapers.
Speaker 2: The liberals are going.
Speaker 3: To claim that I'm urging the voter rolls, that I'm
Speaker 3: taking all these people off the voter rolls. We're not
Speaker 3: taking people off the voter roles. In most cases, we're
Speaker 3: taking bad records out of the voter rules. And we've
Speaker 3: got a couple hundred thousand that are set to be
Speaker 3: removed in September. I had an innovation a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago that other states are now following. We published
Speaker 3: that list. We published that list months ago, and we said,
Speaker 3: if any voter advocacy group, city, any groups out there,
Speaker 3: think that my list is wrong, then crowdsource this, go
Speaker 3: through it, tell me where it's wrong. But we've gotten
Speaker 3: that down to a pretty good process now, and when
Speaker 3: we remove those couple hundred in September. What we're doing
Speaker 3: is taking away those that have moved out of state
Speaker 3: and failed to remove their registration, those that may have
Speaker 3: died out of state, and because we didn't have that
Speaker 3: social security data previously, we didn't catch them in our
Speaker 3: scrub of deceased voters and those that are just duplicates.
Speaker 3: And sometimes that happens very rarely because of a data
Speaker 3: entry error at a board of elections. But when there's
Speaker 3: humans involved, there's found to be some level of human error,
Speaker 3: and so we're out of the process we have in
Speaker 3: Ohio and really hold it up as an example for
Speaker 3: the rest of the country to follow. This came up
Speaker 3: in Congress just two weeks ago where there was an
Speaker 3: election expert testify in front of the House Admin Committee,
Speaker 3: and he said, look at what Ohio's doing, and the
Speaker 3: other forty nine should follow that well.
Speaker 1: And to the extent someone was erroneously removed, that doesn't
Speaker 1: prevent them from reregistering to vote, does it.
Speaker 3: It will take you about two minutes I register to
Speaker 3: vote at vote Ohio dot gov if you are a
Speaker 3: eligible voter.
Speaker 2: And by the way, we don't want to remove anybody inaccurately.
Speaker 3: So we'll really go through a lot of processes to
Speaker 3: get this done right and get this done accurately and.
Speaker 1: Real quick, because it's been a hot topic of conversation
Speaker 1: of late, people who are registered in more than one
Speaker 1: states and receiving benefits from more than one states in
Speaker 1: the Medicaid program. When you find that someone has moved
Speaker 1: out of state in your efforts to keep the voting
Speaker 1: roles accurate, does that information get shared with Medicaid by
Speaker 1: any chance?
Speaker 2: So not directly. We have to go through the process
Speaker 2: of doing that.
Speaker 3: I'm actually involved right now in a conversation with the
Speaker 3: US Department of Agriculture, which maintains the SNAP system right Yeah,
Speaker 3: commonly known as foodstaffs, because they have found the evidence
Speaker 3: of people receiving food stamps in multiple states yep.
Speaker 2: And so we've got a.
Speaker 3: Conversation going right now with Secretary Rollins at the Department
Speaker 3: of Agriculture, And then we have to do the investigation
Speaker 3: to find out are they registered in both states?
Speaker 2: Did they try to vote in both states? And if
Speaker 2: they did, we'll.
Speaker 3: Pursue prosecution for them where the second voter curt because
Speaker 3: that's where the crime is. If they voted a second
Speaker 3: time in Ohio, will refer them to our county prosecutors
Speaker 3: and our state AG or to that state's AG where
Speaker 3: the second voter curve. We take this stuff very seriously.
Speaker 1: Welcome news to my listening audience. Secretary of State Frank LeRose,
Speaker 1: God bless you, sir. Thank you for the time you
Speaker 1: spent my listening audience, and meet this morning and keep
Speaker 1: up the great work. Thanks Briance, my pleasure. It's a
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