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So open up your mind, be 111 00:05:49,439 --> 00:05:53,639 prepared to absorb some information, and keep it locked. 112 00:06:00,399 --> 00:06:14,319 Speaker 4: Big by. 113 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:22,639 Speaker 5: Bye one we have a left. 114 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:26,519 Speaker 3: Yes, once again, we have lift off. I want to 115 00:06:26,519 --> 00:06:28,480 thank you for tuning in to this episode of The 116 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,120 Big Truth Podcast, and I'm very excited to have my man, 117 00:06:32,199 --> 00:06:35,480 Nathaniel Gillis here with me today, who's a researcher, an author, 118 00:06:36,199 --> 00:06:39,720 a scholar, a gentleman, a lecturer, and he's going to 119 00:06:39,759 --> 00:06:42,920 take you down this path that leads from demonology to necronetics. 120 00:06:43,399 --> 00:06:46,800 And so, without further ado, Nathaniel, how you doing, buddy? 121 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 4: Doing very well today, Doing very well. I had a 122 00:06:51,319 --> 00:06:56,199 here last night of medical emergency. But I'm thankful to 123 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,000 be here with you and I'm excited, thank you for 124 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:59,879 the opportunity to having me on. It's it's not a 125 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,639 light thing. I do not take it for granted. 126 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 3: No, and I don't take it for granted that you're here. 127 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,120 It shows your commitment to your research. You know, I 128 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,240 mean you had a you had a good health scare yesterday. 129 00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:16,199 Uh so, you know, thank you for for for doing 130 00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:18,120 this today. I mean we you know, and like I said, 131 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,240 I offered to reschedule and you're like, nope, let's do it. 132 00:07:20,279 --> 00:07:23,079 This research has got to get out there. So that 133 00:07:23,199 --> 00:07:26,439 shows a commitment and fortitude. Man. So I got nothing 134 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,639 but respect. Uh so appreciate that. But for people that 135 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,759 might not be familiar with you in the work that 136 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,120 you do, uh, why don't you kind of give everyone 137 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,360 a little overview and backgrounds and you know, you know, 138 00:07:37,399 --> 00:07:39,000 I would like to hear how you even got into 139 00:07:39,079 --> 00:07:42,120 this realm of research because it's not a it's not 140 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,480 a common thing, you know, and you know and and 141 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,519 and you know, like your your your thoughts and research 142 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:53,600 have brought you down down the line of inquiry that 143 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,839 has brought a unique perspective and you're bringing you a 144 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,480 unique perspective to uh this this world of this realm 145 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,720 of research. And it's very important. So I love having 146 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,680 the opportunity to have you on and to flesh that 147 00:08:06,759 --> 00:08:08,680 out and chop it up a little bit with you. 148 00:08:10,759 --> 00:08:13,639 Speaker 4: Yes, again, thank you for having me on. So for 149 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,839 those who are new to me, as you have already deduced, 150 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:22,319 I am Nathaniel gillis my origin story as follows. I 151 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,360 grew up in a haunted house. It was my very 152 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:30,279 first introduction to this phenomenon. Matter of fact, I can 153 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,759 remember when my father told me. I was eight years old, 154 00:08:33,759 --> 00:08:35,720 but he told me when he got home from work, Nathaniel, 155 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:39,320 we've decided to move as a family, or moving across town. 156 00:08:39,759 --> 00:08:41,480 We're going to go look at a house here at 157 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,240 about seven point thirty. So, sure enough, we looked at 158 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:51,120 this house and it was completely vacant, obviously, and I 159 00:08:51,159 --> 00:08:54,080 remember my dad leading me into my room, which would 160 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,759 become my room future. He said, take a look around, 161 00:08:57,799 --> 00:08:59,759 figure out where you're going to put everything. We're pretty 162 00:08:59,759 --> 00:09:02,120 sure we're going to make an offer. Get used to 163 00:09:02,159 --> 00:09:06,039 this building, get used to this all. I could still 164 00:09:06,039 --> 00:09:09,360 remember once I passed the threshold into the room. From 165 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,080 the hallway into the room, I just remember feeling this 166 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,399 intense energy of feeling watched, like something was in the 167 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,360 room with me. I was not alone. How were you 168 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,960 eight years old? Yep? Eight years old, playing my game 169 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,080 boy Caller and big into I think it was life 170 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,639 with Louis. I love life with Louis back in the day. 171 00:09:32,639 --> 00:09:36,120 I'm a nineties kid, but that's irrelevant at this point. 172 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,960 So yeah, and there I am in the room and 173 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,320 I'm looking around. I just felt this immense presence watching 174 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:48,600 me as I'm looking out the room itself, and I 175 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,480 remember that, I remember the pervasive presence of this this stench. 176 00:09:54,279 --> 00:09:58,679 It was kind of a gritty stench. It smelled like 177 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:03,960 rotting or decomposed organic matter, So both of those combined. 178 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:07,519 I knew I felt something. I knew something was present. 179 00:10:08,279 --> 00:10:09,799 I just didn't know what it was. 180 00:10:10,519 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 3: Were you the only one perceiving the stench? Or did 181 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:14,080 your parents? 182 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 4: I was the only one there in the room. They 183 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:19,399 never they never looked at it after that. Initially, then 184 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,840 I went to the living room with them and the realitor. 185 00:10:21,919 --> 00:10:26,799 They made the offer, then we left, but later on 186 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:30,559 they experienced some paranormal activity in the home. But as 187 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,399 it was, I'm there looking in the room, just checking 188 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:35,720 things out and mentally trying to figure out where I'm 189 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,759 going to put my gaming system, my chest, drawers, the closet, 190 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:45,120 just kind of navigating my way through this room. For 191 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,960 some reason, I was compelled to get on my hands 192 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:53,519 and knees and look underneath the bed and I can't. 193 00:10:53,519 --> 00:10:57,399 So there I was, and to my utter astonishment, I 194 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,399 pulled the blanket off and look underneath it, and there 195 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,360 appeared to be and I used that potentially up here 196 00:11:04,759 --> 00:11:07,919 appeared to be a full bodied apparition of a little girl. 197 00:11:09,039 --> 00:11:12,080 He was pale in complexion, she had long black hair, 198 00:11:12,799 --> 00:11:15,080 was wearing a white linen dress that looked to have 199 00:11:15,159 --> 00:11:19,240 been made during the turn of the century. Initially thought 200 00:11:19,279 --> 00:11:22,840 that she belonged to a family in the neighborhood. Why 201 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:26,279 wouldn't I think that that's Olkham's razor at that point? 202 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,840 And so I remember getting back into the car on 203 00:11:29,879 --> 00:11:32,080 the way home at night, falling asleep, and then when 204 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,240 I woke up, I'm like, guys, we got to talk. 205 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,960 You know, there's a girl around my age that lives 206 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,480 around here. And I found her underneath the bed. She 207 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,200 was hiding from us. It wasn't until after we moved 208 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,159 into the home that I got to know all the neighbors. 209 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,240 And again I lived there for about five or six years. 210 00:11:48,279 --> 00:11:50,720 After that I knew all the neighbors, and then I 211 00:11:50,759 --> 00:11:55,360 realized at a certain point, oh my gosh, that girl 212 00:11:55,399 --> 00:11:58,639 does not belong here. She doesn't belong to any family 213 00:11:58,759 --> 00:12:00,960 in that area, in the cold of Sata and on 214 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,399 the other streets next to it. That's when things started 215 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,440 to move in my mind. Okay, what was that? Saw? Not? 216 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,279 Who was it? What was it? And so once we 217 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:16,440 moved into the home, I realized that there was something 218 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:21,000 paranormal going on because number one, I never saw that 219 00:12:21,039 --> 00:12:27,519 little girl again ever, but I did witness shadow figures orbs, 220 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,960 an entity displacing its weight in the living room. We 221 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,360 had a wooden floor. So just imagine be at eight 222 00:12:33,399 --> 00:12:35,879 and a half years old, in the pregnant silence of 223 00:12:35,919 --> 00:12:41,039 three am. You hear something displacing its weight, moving walking 224 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:43,279 all the way up to your room, and then you 225 00:12:43,399 --> 00:12:46,320 feel it enter and then it's oh my god, what 226 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,519 is this? I can't see it, but I could feel it. 227 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,519 So that's what I realized that there's something profoundly wrong 228 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,720 about this environment. Is at that point that the phenomenon 229 00:12:57,879 --> 00:13:00,399 would induce me again, between the ages of at eight 230 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,840 to about about fourteen fifteen, it would induce me into 231 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,000 dream like states. I would go into looping nightmares. And 232 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:11,600 I won't get you demonetized, but really bad things happen 233 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,480 to people in these nightmares where they hurt themselves. It 234 00:13:14,519 --> 00:13:17,639 was really awful. But you know, you started out, it 235 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,919 was always black and white, in black and white, and 236 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,080 from the beginning to the end, you would think, Okay, 237 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,039 now it's going to end. I'm going to wake up, 238 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,399 I'm going to get ready for school. And then just 239 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,240 when I would think I was going to wake up, 240 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,600 it would start over again from the beginning, and I'm thinking, 241 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,840 there's something really wrong about this picture here. So you're right. 242 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,159 I was at the point in my life even as 243 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,440 a young guy, young man rather eight nine years old 244 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:43,720 a kid, I've a young man, a kid that I realized, 245 00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:47,759 Number one, there is something out there. There is an 246 00:13:47,759 --> 00:13:53,639 intelligence that was victimizing me. And from the ages of 247 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:58,799 fifteen to about twenty two, I debated whether or not 248 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,200 I even wanted to pursue this kind of research. Number One, 249 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,919 I didn't want to be crazy. I knew I was 250 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,840 not insane, and I wanted to know if other people 251 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,519 had experienced that phenomenon as well, and sure enough they had, 252 00:14:12,279 --> 00:14:16,480 And so I made a conscious decision about twenty twenty 253 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,480 one or twenty two to pursue this field, to dive 254 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:23,039 head first in the literature and do my own investigations 255 00:14:23,639 --> 00:14:26,879 and hopefully get answers and if not the right answers, 256 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:30,519 maybe i'll when I'm here at the right questions. So 257 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,720 that's what got me into the field. And that's pretty 258 00:14:32,759 --> 00:14:33,840 much my origin story. 259 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:39,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, And did did that entity or that president did 260 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:42,279 that only target you? Or did other people in your 261 00:14:42,279 --> 00:14:45,159 house experience anything? Or were they just like, hey, you 262 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,360 had a bad dream, you know, and they were just 263 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,000 kind of dismissing it, or. 264 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:52,639 Speaker 4: Seventy thirty seventy percent of the time movies you had 265 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:55,399 a bad dream. Yep, you know, because and I'm not 266 00:14:55,399 --> 00:14:57,840 ashamed to admit this, I'm talking about being thirteen years 267 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:02,720 old and just feeling this presence in my room, pulling 268 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,480 my mattress off the bed, sneaking into my parents' room 269 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:10,879 hoping to get sleep, because what would happen is I 270 00:15:10,919 --> 00:15:14,559 would be afraid to go to sleep, hearing that I 271 00:15:14,559 --> 00:15:16,360 would be induced to do one of those nightmares. And 272 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,039 so I would stay up all night with the lights on, 273 00:15:18,679 --> 00:15:21,360 and then I think it was about maybe seven forty 274 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:22,879 five in the morning, my mother would wake up, she 275 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:25,039 would get the shower, I'd hear the whole houses up 276 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,559 and it's alive. Now, then I would feel comfortable enough 277 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:31,519 to look outside at the sun's risen. I would capture 278 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:34,399 about maybe forty five minutes of sleep go to school, which, 279 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,720 by the way, I don't recommend anybody do. That. Not 280 00:15:36,799 --> 00:15:41,039 a successful strategy, but it's one that I had to deploy. 281 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:43,759 And there I was a school crashing, literally just falling 282 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:46,840 asleep on my desk. It was a very, very, very 283 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,879 difficult time for me, but I think it created some 284 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,840 kind of immunity because now that I'm doing investigations, doesn't 285 00:15:53,879 --> 00:15:56,639 really traumatize me anymore. You know, some of these hauntings 286 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:02,120 I've been involved in, dealing with the phenomenology behind what 287 00:16:02,159 --> 00:16:07,000 I experienced, I came to the conclusion that these various 288 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,720 manifestations were not independent entities in and of themselves. They 289 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:15,279 were not separate phenomena. I realized very early on that 290 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,120 whatever I was dealing with was masquerading as these various entities. 291 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,440 In other words, the same apparition or entity that was 292 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,360 performed the apparitional, the same entity that was the apparition, 293 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:31,519 was also the same entity that was creating a disembodied 294 00:16:31,519 --> 00:16:35,039 conversations above my head at night. Those were the same enity, 295 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,720 the same intelligence, And so that's when I realized, Yeah, 296 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:45,240 that that was monumental in shaping my theory regarding this phenomenon. 297 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,519 So for those who are interested in that, I am 298 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:52,039 a proponent of what's called the unified field theory. It's controversial, 299 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,559 I admit that, but I am of the opinion that 300 00:16:54,559 --> 00:16:57,399 what we're dealing with is a singular intelligence masquerading as 301 00:16:57,519 --> 00:17:02,919 various phenomena in order to diversey its identity in our rise. 302 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:06,359 But that would mean that in many cases, the same apparition, 303 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,839 let's say, intelligence that's creating the apparition is in many 304 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:15,039 cases creating the uvaps we're seeing in uphology. So that's 305 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,440 my I guess my position as it stands today. 306 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,279 Speaker 3: Sure, and what is what do you think the purposes 307 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,440 of you know, presenting itself to different people in different 308 00:17:25,519 --> 00:17:28,160 you know, in different forms, like whether some people are 309 00:17:28,519 --> 00:17:30,839 oh yeah, I saw this, I saw a UFO and 310 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,519 some people like I saw a demon or I saw 311 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:36,960 a ghost. And you know, if it's the same, if 312 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,000 it's the same intelligence, what do you think the game 313 00:17:40,079 --> 00:17:42,279 is with that? Like, why is it presenting itself in 314 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,160 different forms to different people. Is it just part of 315 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,839 the game to keep you not knowing what it really is, 316 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:48,480 or you. 317 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 4: Know, people believe that plays a major role in it. Now, 318 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:57,160 there is a measure of human condition present in this phenomenon. 319 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,079 It's like Ray Hernandez, the author of Beyonnya and I 320 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,960 think it's a new reality to different books. But him 321 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,920 and his wife both witnessed an entity. He believed it 322 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,720 to be an alien, extraterrestrial entity. He believed it to 323 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:14,319 be a demon. So some of this does come down 324 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:19,319 to human perception and human worldview. Now there's also a 325 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,519 secondary manifestation here that has to be discussed. Number One. 326 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,720 We have cases where family, let's say a family of 327 00:18:27,759 --> 00:18:29,039 five will be on a highways. This is one of 328 00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:33,480 doctor Carlt Turner's cases, and a UAP will manifest above 329 00:18:33,519 --> 00:18:36,480 the car and there will be like five or six 330 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:39,000 different cars on the highway that stop. Everybody else just 331 00:18:39,079 --> 00:18:42,480 drove on bike because they never saw anything. And so 332 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,079 when doctor Turner interviewed this particular family of witnesses, none 333 00:18:47,079 --> 00:18:49,880 of them could agree on what they saw. They knew 334 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,799 something was present and it was, but none of them 335 00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:56,599 could agree on the shape of the craft, the number 336 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,519 of lights on it, and the callers of the lights 337 00:18:59,559 --> 00:19:03,599 in it. That's when I realized that, hey, there's something 338 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:09,279 really wrong with us, because if that was a structured craft, 339 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,599 we would all they would have all agreed on what 340 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,960 it appeared to be. You take that case study and 341 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,720 combine it with some of doctor Gary Nolan's latest research. 342 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,440 I mean, he had a case study in France where 343 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,680 a young boy was inside of a vehicle. He's looking 344 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,400 through the sun roof out of UAP a craft and 345 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:33,079 he's describing it as this massive body. It's huge, you know, 346 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,119 it's blacking out the sign and all this wild stop. 347 00:19:36,759 --> 00:19:38,960 And his mother looks up and what she see is 348 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,480 completely different. So she whips out her iPhone snaps a 349 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,680 picture of it, and instead of it being what the 350 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,000 young boy described, it was completely different. It was just 351 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:52,119 a small star shaped metallic object. And so my point 352 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,640 here is that we can no longer trust what we 353 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:59,559 see in the field. Now, moving deeper to this aspect 354 00:19:59,599 --> 00:20:02,519 of the FINL I do believe and on my colleagues 355 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:05,240 do as well, that the phenomenon is weaponizing what's called 356 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,359 the observer effect. What that means is that when we 357 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,359 lock onto it, we make a conscious connection of it, 358 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,240 and with it, the phenomenon will collapse itself into something 359 00:20:16,839 --> 00:20:21,680 in our presence. In many cases, what it's collapsing itself 360 00:20:21,759 --> 00:20:26,160 into is not at all what it is. And so 361 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,000 what this means in the phenomenology is that if you 362 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:32,960 and I were in a haunted house and we are observing, 363 00:20:33,079 --> 00:20:36,599 again observing with our eyes and our consciousness, we observe 364 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,839 an apparition of a lady in light. This is documented. 365 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,359 What's happening now is when we observe it with our eyes, 366 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,920 we'll go back to the camera and the apparition will 367 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,640 not be on camera. What we will capture is a 368 00:20:49,759 --> 00:20:53,480 ball of light, and so there is a direct relation. 369 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,359 There is a connective tissue between the apparition in the 370 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,359 ball of light that's floating behind it. That means in 371 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:06,480 the field that now we can suggest with quite a 372 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,319 lot of confidence that there's evidence here to say that 373 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,680 a lot of these apparitions are physiological constructs. The phenomenon 374 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,279 is manifested in our presence. They are not real. What's 375 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,279 real is what we're capturing on camera. 376 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,599 Speaker 3: So it's almost like you know, when people see orbs 377 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,359 that might be the actual thing and then it projects 378 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,200 out of image of whatever it is. Yeah. 379 00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and that's why again what we're what we observe 380 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:38,799 is not what's actually present in where Again, Now, for 381 00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:41,039 those who are wondering, I just connected that to eupology 382 00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:45,480 as well, not just tontology. It's the same mechanism being 383 00:21:45,519 --> 00:21:48,480 weaponized against our species. So that's why when people corner 384 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:51,960 me with Nathaniel just articularly, what do you believe we're 385 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,759 dealing with? I come to the point where I say, look, 386 00:21:54,839 --> 00:21:58,920 I no longer believe in any of the form because 387 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,160 it's deceiving. It's deceived. I'm looking at function and so 388 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,839 dealing with that aspect of the phenomenon, that's it's a 389 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,480 poortant understand that that mechanism is not just being weaponized 390 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,920 in ontology, it's in you aphology, even in the skywatcher, 391 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,519 the skywatcher movement right now in the field who are 392 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:23,599 actively trying to quote sum then these objects. Absolutely, yes, sir, 393 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,799 what they're realizing as well. And I remember watching an 394 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:29,680 interview with one of their biggest researchers who he said, 395 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:34,720 we were having a problem understanding what we're observing. That's 396 00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:39,680 a what when we're observing it the win and so 397 00:22:39,839 --> 00:22:44,640 between the what and when there is a weaponization of 398 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,119 the phenomenon that says, I'm going to control your perception 399 00:22:47,319 --> 00:22:49,920 of me. You're gonna go home and you're gonna write books, 400 00:22:50,079 --> 00:22:54,319 have conference as a sell t shirts about ghosts, when truthfully, 401 00:22:54,519 --> 00:22:59,000 that's a physiological construct I created. And so in a way, 402 00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:02,240 again it's diverse. It's identity in our rights. Now why 403 00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:04,480 is it doing that? Both? Some of that again is 404 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:08,720 due to the human condition. Most of it, though, is 405 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:14,000 the phenomenon's desire to evolve, and once we start to 406 00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:17,279 realize what's going on, it'll update itself like a learning matrix. 407 00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:21,279 It'll evolve once more through where today we're playing them 408 00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:26,880 et extraterrestrial, interdimensional even Alista Crowley said in his research, yeah, 409 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:32,680 theday they're called demons, the more they're called extraterrestrials. And 410 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,680 so we're looking at my colleagues, and now what we're 411 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:39,000 looking at is the evolutionary process of this intelligence. Knowing 412 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,200 that it has the ability to create aliases throughout all 413 00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:45,640 the field. And so what we're looking at now is 414 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,880 the function is it functioning, not how it's forming. It's 415 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,839 using the form to deceive our species, But what is 416 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,720 its function? And so my conclusion today is that what 417 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,640 we're dealing with is in fact the life form. It exists. 418 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,119 There is something out there. It's not just mind control. 419 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,960 It's not a syop, it's not just a physiological construct 420 00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:13,920 or a human construct. Something is out there, and in 421 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,920 many cases, the only time we're witnessing it is when 422 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,839 it glitches in our presence. It's the black Cat and 423 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,160 the matrix where we as research as and experiencers did 424 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:31,119 not realize the paranormal was present until it messes up, 425 00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:35,920 and then we capture evidence to say, okay, what is 426 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,160 actually going on here? 427 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:45,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, so the and I know I asked this earlier, 428 00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:52,920 but you know, and what do you think the reason is? 429 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:55,279 Why is it trying to ask itself? Is it like 430 00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:58,680 is it just trying to stay? Is that its way 431 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,599 of being camouflaged, so we don't really acknowledge his existence 432 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,599 or like get at where it's at, Like do you 433 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,440 think there's folish? 434 00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:09,039 Speaker 4: It evolves according to our awareness of it, and it 435 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,960 evolves in order to evade. 436 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,799 Speaker 3: So that's why this case is where like there was 437 00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:16,680 a kid once where like it presented itself as a 438 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,079 cartoon character. That it and then later in life it 439 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,039 came back as a cartoon character and the kids like 440 00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:22,880 that can't be real. 441 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 4: But it was one of my that's what I've had. Yeah, yeah, 442 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,640 there you go. Yeah absolutely, brother, Yeah, I was like, 443 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,920 that sounds smart. Yeah, absolutely. And it's in those moments 444 00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:36,720 when you see the mechanisms of the phenomenon. Does that 445 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:42,240 respond what interfacing with us? You know? Again, when this individual, 446 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,000 this female, this woman, when she told me the story, 447 00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:49,720 she was very worried that I wouldn't believe her. But 448 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:51,559 knowing me, I'm kind of an eye ball myself, and 449 00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:54,079 I'm like, yeah, that kind of fits well. For those 450 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,319 who don't know what our friend here is talking about, uh, 451 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,519 it's it's an amazing case, guys. This is an individual 452 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,880 that reached out to me and she said that she 453 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,240 had been abducted as a child and that when they 454 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:10,400 first manifested to her inner room, they manifested as her 455 00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:15,759 favorite cartoon characters. Now here's a question, because it manifested 456 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:19,079 as a cartoon character, does that mean the cartoon character 457 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,599 really exists? Because that's the logic we have been using 458 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,039 in the field. It manifested as that right, therefore it 459 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,279 must be that. Well, what happened was they took her, 460 00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:35,519 they ran experiments, a lot of it was gynecological. Well, 461 00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:39,279 they left her alone for a few years, and during 462 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,079 that time she went into puberty, and she hit a 463 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,960 growth spurt. She no longer watched those cartoons, no longer 464 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,400 read those comic books, and because the Phenomenon uses programs, 465 00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:56,400 it manifested to her years later as that cartoon character. 466 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,319 The only problem is now it's this tall, she's this toll. Yeah, 467 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,160 and she's thinking in her mind, it's impossible, and this 468 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,279 is what we should be thinking as well. It's impossible 469 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:10,920 that you're my favorite cartoon character, because that cartoon character 470 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:16,319 does not exist. He realized, I'm being manipulated by something. 471 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,160 And it was at that moment that the phenomenon realized, 472 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,279 Oh my god, she doesn't believe in the image I'm manifesting, 473 00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:26,000 and for some reason, this is something my colleagues and 474 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:29,079 I are really really researching right now. For some reason, 475 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:34,920 the belief in the image affected the phenomenon, and when 476 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,920 she disbelieved, when she said, I'm not going to follow 477 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,759 this program, I do not believe in you. This entity 478 00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:44,160 and this is her words, not mine. The entity's eyes 479 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:47,759 got very big. It went about this very big, and 480 00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:51,599 they begin to move robotically, and she said the Thaniel. 481 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,559 The only way I could explain it was it was 482 00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:57,640 measuring my belief in the image. It was manifesting us. 483 00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,880 And so this is I want to take a sideon 484 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,799 and let everybody know that believing in the image it 485 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:12,240 manifests empowers the entity wearing that manifestation. And so somewhere 486 00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:16,480 in between the first time it manifests in maybe twenty 487 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,079 five thirty seconds, we as a species have to have 488 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,039 the ability to test that spirit. They say, Okay, are 489 00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:26,759 you who you want me to believe you are? Or 490 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,240 is there something wrong here? Or are you wearing a mask? 491 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,680 Or are you manifesting as something you've found in the 492 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:36,079 corridors of my imagination. That's the timeframe we have to 493 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,359 fight back. But my point here though, for everybody, is 494 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,079 that it was relying on a learning matrix. Yeah, it 495 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,759 had to go through the archetypes and then down this mask, 496 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,799 this costume, and if she didn't believe in it, it 497 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,640 really messed with the phenomenon. And I find that fascinating. 498 00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:02,319 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, the one question I did have. And you know, 499 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:05,799 as we talk about the phenomenon and as it exists 500 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,319 in your theory, do you also this is just a 501 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,359 question I've always want to I just when I've heard 502 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,279 you on other shows, I wanted to ask, do you 503 00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:17,319 think that these other things do exist? Too? 504 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:17,519 Speaker 4: Like? 505 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:20,519 Speaker 3: Do you still do you think there is a possibility 506 00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:24,480 that there are extraterrestrials out there or are the interdimensional 507 00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:28,599 beings but that you know exists outside of the phenomenon 508 00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:30,559 that you're talking about, or do you think everything is 509 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,720 just that you know what I mean? 510 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,799 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I don't want to. I think it would 511 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,440 be very anger than me if I said, okay, yeah, 512 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,960 there's no extra terrestrials. 513 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, sure, yeah. 514 00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 4: You know, I just don't think that's what we're dealing with. 515 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,039 Speaker 3: At all here, at all, Okay at all. 516 00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 4: Again, I do believe that whatever we're dealing with here 517 00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:55,240 is weaponizing. These manifestations weaponize. Even in cryptozoology, we're seeing 518 00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:57,240 the same mechanism being employed. You know, I have a 519 00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:02,000 friend in England, Paul Sclaire, huge in cryptozoology. He has 520 00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:04,599 a book called It's a series called wilf Lands. It 521 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,599 shows truth proof these are cases in Benton where people 522 00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:11,720 are just driving on the road and the scryptis starts 523 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,839 walking up to them. They're freaking out, they're losing their minds. 524 00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:18,000 They're punching it, you know, they're flooring it and it's 525 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:23,000 keeping pace, but it's barely moving. Why that's a glitch. 526 00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:27,640 It's a glitch. It's not real. Something else is there 527 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,880 that does exist. But what the phenomenon does? It uses 528 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,319 these archetypes to be present with us, but absent from us. 529 00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:37,960 What's present with us as a species as the mask? 530 00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:43,279 What's absent from us? Right the form? What's absent from 531 00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:46,799 us as the function? And that's the most Germane research 532 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:47,279 being done. 533 00:30:47,319 --> 00:30:51,279 Speaker 3: Right now, did was it you that was talking about? 534 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,200 Also just like general physical objects that it can manifest as, 535 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,640 like you know, like like a fork or something that 536 00:30:58,039 --> 00:31:01,440 was never there before, or some piece of furniture in 537 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,359 the house. Was that you that was talking about that? 538 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 4: Yeah? So these are commonly known as apports. And again 539 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:15,039 this is one of those things that just traverses various fields. 540 00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:18,319 You know, at first the first blush I discovered that 541 00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:24,640 phenomenon in demonology, like the most diabolical possession cases included 542 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,839 the presence of a ports. Now an apport for those 543 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,799 who don't know, because I was there once, I didn't 544 00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:34,839 know either, is when the phenomenon literally, it's not allegory, 545 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:40,160 it's not a metaphor, it literally materializes a foreign object 546 00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:45,079 into our environment. Yeah, and that's happened the first I 547 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,880 discovered that again in demonology, where during the extracism the 548 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,160 phenomenon within the cavity of. 549 00:31:52,119 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 5: The demoniac will materialize physical objects small enough to go 550 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,960 through the throat and to vacate the demoniac. 551 00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:07,839 Speaker 4: They're collected by the Vatican and many other exorcists and 552 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,759 different traditions. But number one, that's a mechanism weaponized by 553 00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:16,000 the phenomenon. Now we need to undertand the context here 554 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,079 when there's a war going on, I guess one way 555 00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:22,799 to put it, or if the phenomenon is not wanting 556 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:29,640 to vacate, the premise promises it will replicate an object, 557 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:36,160 attach itself to that object and plant it in its environment. 558 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,559 Speaker 3: So it's almost like an anchor point, like an anchor. 559 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 4: Yes, my dear friend Steve Merra, a colleague of mind, 560 00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:48,079 calls it a quantum anchor to where when the phenomenon 561 00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:50,400 again it doesn't want to vacate the premises, It doesn't 562 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,640 want to leave, It doesn't want to be exercised. If 563 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,319 you will, it will replicate by a portation an object 564 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,559 and attach itself to that object, and then that is 565 00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:03,759 when you see the process of it being regurgitated by 566 00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:07,480 the demoniac. Now the priests, again this is in demonology 567 00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:10,440 and it's framed through that world view. But the priests 568 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,279 know this as oc cult objects to where they would 569 00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:17,640 actually the Vatican will take them, bless them, and they 570 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,640 will place them in a storage space, you know, away 571 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,400 from the general public. Why because they believe in their 572 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,079 right that the phenomenon materialized them so that it could 573 00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:33,599 anchor itself to them. Now that's again in demonology now 574 00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:36,160 because we're dealing with the same intelligence, it's weaponizing the 575 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:41,480 same mechanism. In ontology, we also have parts. And again 576 00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:43,920 this gets back into Barry Fitzherre withs de Mayor's research, 577 00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:47,759 where they've had cases where the phenomenon will just take 578 00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:53,599 things from homes and the families wondering for months where 579 00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:57,279 did it go. I've looked for this everywhere. I guess 580 00:33:57,279 --> 00:33:59,119 we're just going to chalk it up to an accident. 581 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,519 Maybe somebody came here and stole it, we don't know. 582 00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:04,559 And then one day, out of nowhere, it will appear 583 00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:08,239 in the location that they checked over and over, it 584 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,000 get just right in front of everybody here it is. 585 00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 3: And so the scary thing about that is, I think 586 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,440 everybody's had that experience. I don't know anyone that that 587 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,079 hasn't had that, you know what I mean. 588 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,039 Speaker 4: We wouldn't know, We wouldn't know. And and here's also 589 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,440 another problem that we're having is that once Stephen Barry 590 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,599 called on to what the phenomenon was doing, they had 591 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,119 they had numerous cases like this, but there was one 592 00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:36,000 particular case study where a family had purchased a group 593 00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:39,280 of coffee mops gather the same box. They were made 594 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,519 by the same manufacturer, everything was the same, and the 595 00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:45,880 phenomenon took one of them and left the rest in 596 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,480 the home. Where's the where's the fourth one? And just 597 00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:52,119 like all the other case studies, months go by out 598 00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:54,360 of nowhere, they wake up in the morning, go into 599 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,639 the kitchen. It's on the counter. But uh, I've always 600 00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:03,920 been here, No, you haven't, right, And so as it was, 601 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,480 he takes that port, he runs it through various tests 602 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,800 at a laboratory, and he came to the conclusion, this 603 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,920 is fascinating through these tests that the isotopic ratio of 604 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:24,039 the cup that they manifested was different than that of 605 00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:28,280 the cups it came with in the box. And so 606 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,519 the question arose, and this is primarily where we are 607 00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:36,760 with this, is that the cup that was taken in 608 00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:44,199 and replaced is the replacement real? That's where we are, guys. 609 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,159 I apologize, but that's where we are with us. Is 610 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,760 that the original cup that was taken or or. 611 00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 3: Is that the original cup and something changed somewhere along the. 612 00:35:56,039 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 4: Way, right or right? So those are two possibilities I'm 613 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,639 leaning towards, and I know others are as well, and 614 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:08,599 I've talked to that it wasn't the original cup. The 615 00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:14,079 phenomenon had replicated again, a replica created that in its 616 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:17,000 own environment. That's why the isotopic ratio is different. And 617 00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:20,880 it's not again, it's not creating its own matter from 618 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,760 the atomic level, it's manipulating it. Where Yeah, the isotopic 619 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,159 ratio is off, why because it's not the same one. 620 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,400 It's from that dimension from them. Now, the problem is 621 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:34,960 my afraid if we held it in our hands and 622 00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:38,639 drink coffee, whether we would never know the difference to 623 00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:42,639 your point, and it's a brilliant point that we only 624 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,320 know that because we had the ability Steph Bray had 625 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,840 the ability to bench test it against the real So 626 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,360 guess what the phenomenon started doing making sure that what 627 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,440 it was taking and replacing, they and of themselves were 628 00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:03,559 one of one where you and I do not have 629 00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:08,559 the ability to measure the glitch in the matrix by 630 00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:11,000 bench testing it against the real. 631 00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 3: So that's the yeah, so it catches up. Does it 632 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,679 feel like it's it's the evolution is increasing, But as 633 00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:27,400 you like, before people were aware of it for what 634 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,039 it was like like you know with your theory, you know, 635 00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:34,920 and people were thinking things were ghosts or UFOs or 636 00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:40,360 you know, cryptids or whatever. Are you finding that it 637 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,079 has to evolve faster now that people are becoming aware. 638 00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:45,880 That can cause someone be like, I don't think you're 639 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,159 what you're saying. You know what I mean? 640 00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 4: And you know, well, there's there's many ways the phenomenon 641 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,400 controls this kind of data, you know. Jacques Vallet was 642 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,480 one of the earliest, probably the earliest researcher that mentioned 643 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:04,039 the control system employed by the phenomenon. Yeah, I mean 644 00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:09,159 it evolves pretty quickly and it does not want this 645 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,239 kind of content to get out. I mean, look what 646 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,400 happened last night. It's just instantly nothing's wrong with the Nathaniel. 647 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,840 But thankfully your A order has not exploded. 648 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was at a level where it should have 649 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,440 or could have, but it did not. Yeah. 650 00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 4: Oh man, they scare me to death. You know, people 651 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,519 have fallen dead in here with that. I'm like, oh no, 652 00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:30,320 and I didn't really, I mean I was only irritable, 653 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,159 that was it. I had no chest paining. I mean 654 00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:34,000 I did have a little a lot of actually, but 655 00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:35,679 I remember that. But yeah, I didn't have like the 656 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,599 other symptoms that went with it at the headache and 657 00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:41,639 short of breatht up. But anyways, my point being that 658 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,840 we only know of those cases because there was enough 659 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,719 of a glitch brush researchers to be there soon enough 660 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,079 and close enough to say this doesn't make sense in 661 00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:59,440 the matrix, that black cat should not be there over 662 00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:03,119 and over again, and so within the learning natri it's 663 00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:07,559 built into this phenomenon, we do have the ability to 664 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:10,119 catch on the problem. Is to your point and to 665 00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:12,400 your question, is that my colleagues and I have to 666 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:17,000 do enough research to get a glimpse of it, to 667 00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:20,480 see through the veil. And then what we do is 668 00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:23,360 we take what we have and what we know, we 669 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,360 release a little bit to the public, and then we 670 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,920 just hide because we don't want to trigger that kind 671 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,599 of response on the part of the phenomenon. And so 672 00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:37,159 it's kind of riding the knife's edge really, of getting 673 00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:39,719 what we can when we can, knowing when to back off. 674 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,920 But my point is we only know of that I 675 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,960 got to stress this even more. We only know of 676 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:49,920 these glitches because we were there. And that means again 677 00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:53,880 that there is possible or possible possibly let me phrase 678 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:59,000 that better, there are possibly all zimons upon thousands of 679 00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:05,639 aparts in homes the phenomenon is anchored to and they 680 00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:10,119 have no idea it's even there. And that's a problem 681 00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:10,320 for me. 682 00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:13,599 Speaker 3: Now, do you think there was What do you think 683 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,320 is the purpose of those incorportances so they can get back, 684 00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:18,559 so they can get there quickly, or is it something 685 00:40:18,639 --> 00:40:21,159 like can they observe the anchor can they observe through 686 00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:22,599 those you know what I mean? 687 00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 4: Like? 688 00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:27,800 Speaker 3: Well, like is it like a fucking interdimensional alexa or something, 689 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,119 you know what I mean, where it's like they can 690 00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:31,719 listen to all this and see you know, I. 691 00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:35,159 Speaker 4: Think it goes deeper and darker than that. Unfortunately, because 692 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,960 again from my perspective, when you see it from this lens, 693 00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:42,400 it starts to make sense as to why these mechanisms 694 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,800 are witnessed in various fields. In then it's just different, 695 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:51,199 different cultural costume, same mechanism. Well, my plate here is 696 00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:56,960 that in ufology we have these things called implants where 697 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,280 they are documented, they're real, they're not a construct, right, 698 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,559 they're actually existing, but they're underneath the skin. And the 699 00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:09,840 problem is that we don't know how they got there. 700 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,599 Not just that like when you go and you look 701 00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:17,079 at some of these people, there is no kind of 702 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,400 dermal anomalies or even subdermal it's just there you see it. 703 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,400 We don't know how it got in there. It's almost 704 00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:33,480 like it just appeared in the body. Are that's what 705 00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:34,000 we're dealing with? 706 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 3: Are There are cases too where it's like if you 707 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,039 someone's going to get it removed, all of a sudden, 708 00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:42,079 it's spontaneously gone before even though it's a show it 709 00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:44,119 shows up on an X ray. Then they go to 710 00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:46,719 get it out and it's gone yep, before before they 711 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,360 get to the before that they make the cut. 712 00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 4: Absolutely, so I believe it's the same mechanism. And Steve 713 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,079 and I have been kind of touching that during our 714 00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:57,320 and I touching on that rather or in our nhi 715 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:03,159 that ten times in our sessions which is on his 716 00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:07,000 YouTube channel. My point here is that, yes, I do 717 00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,159 believe they're apporting these objects to people's bodies. There's no 718 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,920 other skin anomalies. I mean, everything's there like there's surgery. 719 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,679 There's no scratches, there's no bruising, it's just showing up. 720 00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:23,599 Now to your point, the same intelligence that's anchoring itself 721 00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:27,079 to apports and homes is the same intelligence that's anchoring 722 00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:31,000 itself into the implants and bodies. And again, if the 723 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,679 purpose is to monitor the environment, we also see that 724 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,519 in the implantation of these devices and skin. There's one 725 00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:41,199 case behind me in a book called Beyond UFOs where 726 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,840 a young man who he was abducted, was an experiencer. 727 00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:50,440 But his testimony was frightening. You said, because before his 728 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:56,519 abductions he would feel his implant turned on, and he 729 00:42:56,559 --> 00:42:59,960 said in one night he felt the presence in his room. 730 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:03,199 He knew, Okay, I'm preparing myself to be taken here. Unfortunately, 731 00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:05,559 why are we doing that? By the way, with species, 732 00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:08,599 we have to prepare to be taken. Hey, it's ridiculous, 733 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,760 but here he is nonetheless, And he said that once 734 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,039 this implant turned on, he is seeing through their eyes 735 00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:21,119 as they're approaching his home. And the question was, why 736 00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:23,320 are they singing through his eyes? Because they turn the 737 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,920 device on number one, number two. If they're seeing through 738 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,960 his eyes, who's seeing through theirs? He is? And so 739 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,920 there's this this connection of consciousness that it had created 740 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,679 a unified stream of consciousness where now they're looking through 741 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,840 his eyes, he's looking through their eyes and they have him. 742 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,320 And so you see that same kind of anchoring present. 743 00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so the next kind of like beyond that 744 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,159 you had mentioned possession earlier, Where does possession feel you know, 745 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,280 you know a factor into this, Like do you think 746 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,960 it's these things actually entering somebody in possessing them or like, 747 00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:02,320 you know, because I know you've you know, especially in demonology, 748 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,199 you've done a lot of work with that, how do 749 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,760 you think that factors into all of this? 750 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,880 Speaker 4: Again, this gets back into necronetics. I believe that possession 751 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:21,880 to us is pregnancy to them and hybridism long before 752 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,400 it was hijacked by euthology. It wasn't the splashing of DNA, 753 00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:29,559 It wasn't me becoming a star seed or somebody. It 754 00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:34,840 was literally a parasitic presence replicating its own species by 755 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,760 implanting itself into our bodies. Who are we as humans 756 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:44,440 become biological avatars or parasite? And so we know that 757 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,599 because in these cases of possession we also have pregnancy involved. 758 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,719 Why is that the case? You know? And this gets 759 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,360 back into sort of the ecuby literature I've done, or 760 00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,920 research I've done rather throughout the field, where for those 761 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,039 that kind of break this down. So an ecbus entity 762 00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:07,960 and demonology is an entity spirit okay, that appears to 763 00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:10,960 a woman in the image of a man and compulates 764 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,880 with her. I have an issue with that model because 765 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:21,960 true equ by cases include the presence of secretions, and 766 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,039 a spirit does not have the ability to insciminate a 767 00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:32,039 woman to full blown pregnancy. It doesn't make sense because 768 00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:36,559 it shouldn't. This is again, this is the theories in 769 00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:42,239 early demonology now accompanying these secretions in Equby cases are 770 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:50,679 sigils or don't leave sigils. That is a practitioner. That's 771 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,519 why it has secretions, because it has a body. It's 772 00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:56,840 so one of the leading researchers was a guy named 773 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,920 Father Say story of Amino, and he's dealing with these 774 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,440 Equby cases, and he too came to that conclusion. He said, 775 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:07,039 because look, if it has decretions, it has corporeality, it 776 00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:10,280 has a body. And so when you look at that 777 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,239 these cases through that lens, it's more along the lines 778 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:20,159 of a species of occultists who we confused with Hortenhoe's 779 00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:24,119 and demonic. They were a species on the earth that 780 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,760 are embodied in the way that they replicate their own 781 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:34,440 kind is through impregnation and implantation. The impregnation comes from 782 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:40,440 the incumination. The implantation of consciousness comes from the sigilization, 783 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,719 the carving of sigils into the flesh of the victim. Now, 784 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,159 the latest research I'm doing now is combining Austin osman 785 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:55,599 Spar's sigilization. He could coin the term with Peter Carroll's 786 00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:59,800 chaos magic to where what we're looking at is a 787 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:04,440 species again that then in order to project their consciousness 788 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,920 into the fetus they're inseminating them with. They have to 789 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,119 carve their sigils into the host body, which would be 790 00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:16,199 the female victim. Darkest research I'm doing, minds you. I'm 791 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,199 aware of that very dark, very dark. But that is 792 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,960 a species of practitioners, and I believe they're on the 793 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,599 earth today. But to kind of expound on that, if 794 00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:29,360 I may, that is a field I've created called necronetics. 795 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,760 Speaker 3: Now it deals with all of them, now them being 796 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,079 on Earth today through through that process that you just outlined, 797 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,760 the you know the baby that is born, you know 798 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,920 that that is it part human or is it all 799 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,639 that just in a human shell? 800 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:59,760 Speaker 4: Good question. So we're either dealing with an unquantified species, 801 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,559 that is to say, something that we have confused for demonic. 802 00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:07,840 It may not be demonic, it may be something different. 803 00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:12,960 It may be again a species of practitioners yet quantified 804 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,400 by the field, or we are dealing with And this 805 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,800 is where I'm kind of in the corner round further 806 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,400 that there is this human and entity partnership that's being 807 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:33,159 used to where the practitioner is either replicating himself his 808 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,960 consciousness in the new fetus, which you have the ritual 809 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,159 for and includes everything we've talked about. By the way, 810 00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:43,679 in the croanetics its fascinating or what it's doing is 811 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,639 willingly the practitioner is creating a fetus for the entity 812 00:48:48,679 --> 00:48:55,000 possessing him to move into and to an habit that 813 00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:58,559 is very possible, very probable, even according to the data. 814 00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:03,000 Because again that would be that would be the model 815 00:49:03,039 --> 00:49:05,639 that would explain what we're seeing the most, I should say, 816 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:13,320 that would that would validate, verify why we're seeing cigilization 817 00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:17,599 present and secretions. It's because that is a human body. 818 00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:22,000 But that's and that's where I'm not with it, And 819 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,159 that's a whole other show that's too neat to get 820 00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:24,880 into at this point. 821 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,480 Speaker 3: Yeah no, I mean, just it sounds reminiscent of when 822 00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:32,360 you hear things of like Nephilim and seed Wars. 823 00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:36,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's pretty much we're repp. 824 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Oh it's crazy. That's dark enough. But 825 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:42,639 that's dark enough. Yeah. 826 00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:45,159 Speaker 4: Well, here's the problem, you know. I mean, people like 827 00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:47,599 to push me in the corner, say Nathaniel, commit to 828 00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:49,039 what they are, just say the magic word. 829 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:49,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 830 00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:54,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, because what we're dealing with again, if 831 00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:57,400 we're dealing with an intelligence that can literally replicate reality. 832 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,760 Then we're moving outside of the framework of just unclean spirits. 833 00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,360 We're dealing with something that's more evolved. And that's when 834 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,119 you start to realize, Like you talk to people like that, 835 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,400 you see that their knowledge of demonology is not there 836 00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:16,800 enough to even articulate even had the conversation. I got 837 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,480 to lead them into the literature, pool them into case studies, 838 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,360 and then have a conversation and a hope that the 839 00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:27,360 data speaks more than a dogma. Now here's the issue, though, 840 00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:33,239 that whatever we're dealing within you afhology is absolutely what 841 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:39,119 we've dealt with in demonology. I believe that. Matter of fact, 842 00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:42,079 I've had conversations with the cultists who know that to 843 00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:46,639 be true, who know it to be true, and un 844 00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:49,119 to the point now where I'm beyond that, I'm like, okay, yeah, 845 00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:52,639 but what is that out there exactly right? Are we 846 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:59,000 just using placeholders and monikers a description as a definition 847 00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:01,039 And I believe that's what we're doing. 848 00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:05,639 Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, and you know, like you said, and if 849 00:51:05,679 --> 00:51:11,599 everything's evolving, you know, And I'm not coming from any 850 00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:15,000 religious standpoint, I'm just coming from you know, things I've 851 00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:17,480 heard from people or you know, research I've done or 852 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,639 things I follow, Like, could that in the biblical sense 853 00:51:21,639 --> 00:51:23,599 where you see things Nefel and seed Wall? Could that 854 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,920 just be early iterations of this thing? And you know, 855 00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:29,760 it's just this is just it's still it's been with 856 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,599 us this long, and that's how it was presented then 857 00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:34,840 and now it's presented as Fred Flintstone, you know what 858 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:39,679 I mean, like or whatever whatever character exactly exactly. 859 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,000 Speaker 4: And this is why, like, if we do our research 860 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,599 purely based on form, we've lost it. Yeah, yeah, we've 861 00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:49,559 lost it. That's why we Again I am being a 862 00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:51,639 dead horse there, but we have to look at function, 863 00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:54,320 and that's when you get into the mechanics of the phenomenon. 864 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,519 And that's that's the only way, by the way, we 865 00:51:56,599 --> 00:52:00,519 could say, Okay, these are not separate incarnations. These are 866 00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:07,119 just emanations expressions write many voices of one voice actor. Yeah, 867 00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:09,920 and we only know that based upon the mechanics of 868 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:10,480 the phenomenon. 869 00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:14,639 Speaker 3: Now, to go beyond function, what do you think you know? 870 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,719 So there's the form, there's the function. What do you 871 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,639 think what is the motives? What's the endgame? What is 872 00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:22,679 it doing? Is it just observing us? Is it trying 873 00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:25,760 to learn like you said, I know, it's trying to replicate, 874 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,360 you know, or is it does it have is it 875 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,639 is everything totally like nefarious with it or does it 876 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,280 have some you know, like like I'm just trying to 877 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:39,320 think of like experiences like Chris Bloodsoe has with you know, 878 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,239 a UFO of God where he's saying, no, this is 879 00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,480 a very benevolent thing that I'm seeing, you know, like 880 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,199 if that's the same thing, is is it just messing 881 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,920 around here like what you know, like what have you seen? 882 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,800 Does it have like is its purpose dark or is 883 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,239 there something? Or is it just kind of scientific or 884 00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,719 is it just come down to like basic you know, 885 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,599 replication of species and just you know that drive. 886 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,320 Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about mister Bloodsoe first and foremost. I 887 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,119 do not believe that Chris bloods is a malevolent person. No, 888 00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:14,840 I do believe he's a very decent, kind man. And 889 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,119 I've read his book and my heart goes out to him, 890 00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:19,559 not just for you know, losing his first wife and 891 00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:25,480 everything that's heartbreaking up but just the fact that just 892 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,400 the rejection he's dealt with a lot of church. I 893 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,800 grew up in church and I've felt that sting in 894 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,000 their tail and it's devastating, Like I've had to go 895 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,679 to therapy for it not to get too deep, too 896 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,519 dark in that area. But yeah, it's really bad stuff. 897 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,400 The heart goes out to him. But that doesn't mean 898 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,880 I'm not allowed to question the phenomenon Number one again, 899 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:50,159 when we're looking at the form, it's manifesting as a 900 00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:56,000 lady in white or a white lady. And here's something again. 901 00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:58,440 People miss this because if you don't actually read his book, 902 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,039 it's like, all right, but I do not believe that 903 00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:05,920 his first abduction ever took place in cap fear. No, 904 00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:08,800 he had missing time as a child. Before his mother 905 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,400 was picking him up from church, he made eye contact 906 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,920 with an owl, which is a common archetype for the grace. 907 00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:17,920 Matter of fact, a lot of these entities people will 908 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,519 think their howls during their experiences that through memory regression, 909 00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:23,000 they'll realize that wasn't an owl at all. It just 910 00:54:23,079 --> 00:54:27,599 collapsed itself into a to a shape or form to 911 00:54:27,639 --> 00:54:31,239 which it's hiding. My point being that he had missing 912 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,320 time and in fact, when Hull four who, I do 913 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,400 not believe it's author. I don't believe it's the Mother Mary, 914 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,400 the Virgin Mary either, which I'll get to that a second. 915 00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:45,920 It's very, very easily debuncable. But this entity told him 916 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:51,119 that you made an agreement with us. You made an agreement. 917 00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:58,559 My question is when, because when that occurred in Cake Fear, 918 00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:03,360 that was at its first abduction or is it possible 919 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,840 that they took him as a child and that was 920 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,239 when he made the agreement. And so we're looking at 921 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:15,360 again in my perspective, as a complete manipulation, utter manipulation 922 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,760 number one. This is the glitch of the matrix where 923 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,760 the learning matrix. Again, it tries to be both when 924 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:24,599 it's not. It can't be both. Again, A four cannot 925 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,360 be the Mother Mary because Mother Mary actually existed as 926 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:34,360 a human being, had a completely different religious tradition, a 927 00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:38,639 different worldview. What this appears to be again is it's 928 00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:43,119 called secretism. They're secretized. It secretized. All that together just 929 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,559 say okay, if you believed in Mother Mary, I'm her 930 00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:49,559 as well. And it's easily tested. It's saying okay, no, no, no, no, 931 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:55,119 you're not who you appear to be. That's my perspective 932 00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:57,920 on that. Not only that, but there is a sting 933 00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,519 in its tale I'm aware of people that were close 934 00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:01,679 to them that are no longer close to them because 935 00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,599 they saw the true face of the phenomenon and they went, 936 00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:09,599 mind you, they went from full blown st five their 937 00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:14,639 orbs and angels who completely abandoning anything that has to 938 00:56:14,679 --> 00:56:21,400 do with a thor and now they're full orthodox, which 939 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,719 is a common response in the field to people who 940 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,840 witness something so traumatic, so world chattering that the only 941 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,239 thing they knew to do was cling to the cross. 942 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,679 That is. Yeah, so I don't really buy the phenomenon 943 00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:37,599 when it comes to that encounter. 944 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,880 Speaker 3: No, But but you know, the the question is just 945 00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,199 in general, like other than replicating itself and you know, 946 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,880 what do you think, what's it up to? You know 947 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,519 what I mean? Like, what's it? You know? 948 00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:51,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that again, we're dealing with a life 949 00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:55,199 form that in order for it to sustain itself in 950 00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,639 our environment, it has to manipulate us. You know, early 951 00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:01,280 on in my career, not even career, but as a child, 952 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,559 I knew that it was feeding off of my fear. 953 00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:08,840 It would almost fabricate an emotion and projected upon me. 954 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,360 And if I made a conscious decision to align myself 955 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,480 with it, to agree with it, it would be weakened. 956 00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:18,000 I mean those moments of me waking up out of 957 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,320 a nightmare, I would feel like I was fed upon, 958 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,880 My energy was gone, could barely move a muscle, emotionally drained, 959 00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:31,159 physically tired. And then I noticed the phenomenon kept getting 960 00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:34,840 stronger and stronger. And so again, if we're looking at 961 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,440 a life form, then we need to understand the phenomenon 962 00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:41,559 and the paranormal as a whole, as an entire equology, 963 00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:48,000 an ecosystem, and the phenomenon will feed here and manifest there. 964 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:54,039 So again, my dear friend Steve Marris had cases in parapsychology. 965 00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:58,119 Others have had a two very taff other people in 966 00:57:58,159 --> 00:58:03,000 the field where the phenomenon will knock something off of 967 00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:08,199 a shelf and it will shake the entire household. I'm thinking, 968 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,119 that's very strange. What was it? And they go back 969 00:58:11,159 --> 00:58:13,400 and look at the video footage and they saw that 970 00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:16,920 the small object, mind you, on a shelf in the hallway. 971 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,039 It's knocked off, It flies off the shelf, it hits 972 00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:25,400 the ground, it hits carpet, but it shakes the whole house. 973 00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:30,039 But they replicate it right again. They're going to replicate too. 974 00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:32,559 So what they do is they go and perform an experiment. 975 00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:38,920 They knock it off the shelf, hard harder, barely a noise, 976 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:43,320 barely a sound. The phenomenon is amplifying itself in their 977 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:49,599 environment in order to again to trigger a response. And 978 00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:53,079 then when it got their attention, it grasps that energy. 979 00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:57,320 Then it'll go to another location and use its energy 980 00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,760 that it got from us manifest in that environment. That's 981 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,599 again I believe that's how it sustains itself. And so 982 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,559 to us again we would say, okay, that's some eleblate haunting, 983 00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:11,719 or should I say that's just a poultrygeis Nathaniel until 984 00:59:11,719 --> 00:59:17,199 it manifests intension. It took all the energy and now 985 00:59:17,199 --> 00:59:20,440 it's weaponizing that energy again. No, I'm energized. Okay, I'm 986 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,719 going to go do a B and C. And so 987 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,719 that's how it manifests agency. This gets Dr Barry Tause 988 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,920 research where he had the same thing occurred in the 989 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:33,239 San Peter haunting with Jackie and Andaz, where a lot 990 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,400 of highly malevolent things were happening in that household. I mean, 991 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,159 we're talking about human blood, plasma dripping from her cupboard, 992 00:59:42,159 --> 00:59:48,639 oozing from her cabinets. They collected it in a vial, 993 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:55,800 tested it human blood, and you know, it tried to 994 00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,599 hang Jeff Wheatcraft in the attic. He was a videographer 995 00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:03,119 working with doctor team. I plaint though, is all of 996 01:00:03,159 --> 01:00:09,760 that should have been localized through that household. It wasn't 997 01:00:11,559 --> 01:00:13,400 it as if he went through that. The phenomenon went 998 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,719 through that entire process at the end of the day. 999 01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:18,599 Mind you. By the way, I'll tell you guys this 1000 01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:21,039 as well, is in that case study that doctor Taff 1001 01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:24,000 and his team had cornered an orb of a ball 1002 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,559 of light or puscular basketball size light, cornered it in 1003 01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:32,079 a room. It began to go and then boom, it 1004 01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:39,760 projected physiological construct of an apparition. But anyways, remment along. 1005 01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:44,320 At the end of their investigation, it began to cross 1006 01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:49,880 the street. Now it was parasitic. It went from that 1007 01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:55,719 environment to charge itself and then it replicates, oh, now 1008 01:00:55,719 --> 01:00:58,440 it's across the street. Why is it there again? Because 1009 01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,159 it's doing the same thing. And so I do believe 1010 01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:04,760 we're dealing with a life form that is, it sustains 1011 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:09,400 itself through human consciousness. And unfortunately, by the way, this 1012 01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:11,800 is why when people say it's not a threat because 1013 01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,880 it's not killing people, or it's not landing on the 1014 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:20,480 White House lawn. Not sure. If it was parasitic, its 1015 01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:25,039 desire would be to keep us alive, because we as 1016 01:01:25,039 --> 01:01:28,360 a species would be its hosts and its hurry. 1017 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you how do you think? Well, how 1018 01:01:33,039 --> 01:01:39,480 do you think have you followed the new story that's 1019 01:01:39,519 --> 01:01:42,320 come out ascerned that they did crack into another dimension 1020 01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:45,440 and that in that dimension that when they were in there, 1021 01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,239 they knew that that dimension was aware that they were 1022 01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,800 in there. Do you think that factors into this somehow 1023 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:59,679 or or you know, doern is its own. 1024 01:01:57,039 --> 01:02:02,039 Speaker 4: And it's so controversial. Oh, I know. I do believe 1025 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:07,719 doctor Stuckelberger. I find her to be competent and intelligent, 1026 01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,760 and I do take her testimony to heart. The problem 1027 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,840 is is there's such a movement right now in ufology 1028 01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:19,639 where everybody they're pushing this kind of secular worldview of 1029 01:02:19,679 --> 01:02:23,559 youuthology nuts and bolts and strictly nuts and bolts. And 1030 01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:25,559 if you think there's something spiritual going on, honey, or 1031 01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:29,199 you're crazy, And I know that's not the case. Number One, 1032 01:02:29,199 --> 01:02:31,880 I've had private conversations with people in uthology to where 1033 01:02:32,119 --> 01:02:35,760 they'll go to conferences spell t shirts extra terrestrial, right, 1034 01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,559 oh yeah, they're play eighty you know, there are guides 1035 01:02:38,599 --> 01:02:40,760 and we're star seats. And then they'll go back to 1036 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,960 their home and show them that there's an altar built 1037 01:02:43,039 --> 01:02:46,400 to a spiritual entity in their closet. That's when, as 1038 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:51,960 a researcher say, that's cute. That's real cute, guys. And 1039 01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:56,599 now I'm to ramble here. My point though here is 1040 01:02:56,639 --> 01:03:00,079 that yes, when you actually talk to a cult that 1041 01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:03,519 still tell you this, yeah, we know what they are. Again, 1042 01:03:03,559 --> 01:03:06,639 when you when you get into Allan Gradenfield's work, Peter 1043 01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:10,960 Carroll's work, you start to see that if it is 1044 01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:13,800 just secularist or not, I guess it's if it's just 1045 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,880 the secular worldview of extraterrestrial presence, why are they carving 1046 01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:23,199 sigils into the body, Why are they wanting ultras built? 1047 01:03:24,239 --> 01:03:24,599 Speaker 3: Yeah? 1048 01:03:24,639 --> 01:03:28,599 Speaker 4: And so for flush right, we on the outside are thinking, Okay, 1049 01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:30,440 it's no big deal. We're just going to buy into 1050 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,920 the narrative that they're all extraterrestrial. They know they're not. 1051 01:03:34,519 --> 01:03:36,880 It doesn't mean, okay that they believe they're demonic. But 1052 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,559 there is some kind of hierarchy present, and it does 1053 01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:45,119 appear again to be old gods more like the old 1054 01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:48,840 deities that do want an ultra built in their image, 1055 01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,480 and that's how we're getting our technology. But that's again 1056 01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:53,800 that's a whole other picture. Now. 1057 01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:54,679 Speaker 3: Is that is that? 1058 01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:55,000 Speaker 4: You know? 1059 01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:57,599 Speaker 3: Because that that factors into you know, two things that 1060 01:03:57,639 --> 01:04:01,400 we talked about really quickly, like not directly, but you 1061 01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,719 know one like Chris Blitzoe is like the agreement and 1062 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,199 that's like a thing that you hear about in the 1063 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,880 demonology demonology a lot is you know that these things 1064 01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:15,079 operate on rules and laws and like proceedings. They're almost 1065 01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:17,639 like like doc lawyers, you know what I mean. Like 1066 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,239 it's like there's dominion and there's you know, there's things 1067 01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,920 like there's ways of operating and whatnot. But also, you know, 1068 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,000 having alters and the need to be worshiped, is that 1069 01:04:28,039 --> 01:04:31,159 something that's given them energy as well? Is that? Is that? 1070 01:04:31,199 --> 01:04:32,719 What is that the purpose of having. 1071 01:04:33,079 --> 01:04:34,920 Speaker 4: I do believe that, I do believe that's the case. 1072 01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:39,679 Where does that put us in history? We have no clue. 1073 01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:43,159 I mean, we're still stuck in Teawitt and Davies writings 1074 01:04:43,199 --> 01:04:47,159 of Okay, build an altar for a deified or demonized ancestor. 1075 01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:49,800 You know, we know what they want us to do. 1076 01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,519 We just don't know why they want us to do it. 1077 01:04:51,639 --> 01:04:53,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. 1078 01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:55,639 Speaker 4: And that's that's kind of where I'm at. But yeah, 1079 01:04:55,679 --> 01:04:59,519 I mean, I yes, I mean dealing with the civilization 1080 01:04:59,679 --> 01:05:03,519 on its experiences. That's the thing, not my imagination. I mean. 1081 01:05:03,559 --> 01:05:07,920 The problem is with American upology. It's been so controlled 1082 01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:12,280 by three letter agencities that again that it will they 1083 01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:16,639 will elevate researchers and they just shut other people down. 1084 01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:18,559 You know, I've been I did a conference in England 1085 01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:20,719 where we lectured on the Dark Side of the Apology. 1086 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:25,679 It lasted, I mean between myself and the other lecturers, 1087 01:05:25,719 --> 01:05:29,639 we had maybe sixteen hours of content and within a 1088 01:05:29,719 --> 01:05:32,960 month it was taken down and it was gone. And 1089 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,000 I got a message on WhatsApp. Well they got to us. 1090 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,159 Why because And I'm telling you, if you guys think 1091 01:05:39,159 --> 01:05:42,239 I'm crazy, that's fine, but I want you to go 1092 01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:46,719 listen to and I got to be very careful with us. 1093 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:56,599 Go to the podcast called Cosmosis. I have nothing but 1094 01:05:56,719 --> 01:06:04,480 respect for these researchers. They're amazing people. I don't know 1095 01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:10,119 what they experienced, but one of them was on an 1096 01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:16,400 X space recently. And again, this is a person who 1097 01:06:17,719 --> 01:06:21,719 was approaching all of this through the secularist worldview. I'm 1098 01:06:21,719 --> 01:06:25,440 believing I'm researching extra terrestrial and for the scientific advancement 1099 01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:30,760 of our species. And yet what she encountered, what they encountered, 1100 01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:38,119 in her words, not mine, was a species or a group, 1101 01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:45,400 a cult, I should say, occultists. And that ufology, secularist 1102 01:06:45,519 --> 01:06:50,039 upology as we see it today, is a smoke screen. 1103 01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:55,199 It is a front. Now, that's what she said. I'm 1104 01:06:55,199 --> 01:06:57,199 going to bring it along the lines to Nathaniel Gillis. 1105 01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:02,320 That's why I say it looks like we're dealing with 1106 01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:07,519 a species of occultists. Now demonology, it's like, I'm not 1107 01:07:07,519 --> 01:07:10,599 a practitioner, but in demonology, the correct model, at least 1108 01:07:10,599 --> 01:07:14,000 would be a practitioner pays homage to a demon, right, 1109 01:07:14,719 --> 01:07:21,199 and this practitioner uses that demon schigils to pull it 1110 01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:26,760 into this dimension, and there's a separation between the demonic, 1111 01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:32,800 the demon and the practitioner. They're separate. They're trying to 1112 01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,760 tell people over and over again that I believe that 1113 01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,480 that model is a little bit more incorrect. What we're 1114 01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,559 dealing with. What we're dealing with is an entirely different 1115 01:07:44,719 --> 01:07:51,400 species of practitioner. And they're here. They're here. This is 1116 01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,599 why you have people like Alan Greenfield saying listen, CE 1117 01:07:54,679 --> 01:07:58,920 five could have been written into Gramoire from the seventeenth century, 1118 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:04,679 because it's the exact same thing with a different cultural costume. 1119 01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:09,360 Even let's get back to this, if I may even 1120 01:08:09,719 --> 01:08:13,800 even this ashtar command that so many people are channeling, 1121 01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:18,920 not an extraterrestrial that comes from Gaatia, that comes from 1122 01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:25,199 goetic grimoires. That is an ancient entity. And by the way, 1123 01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:31,840 there are demonic rituals that you can employ in order 1124 01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:35,319 to contact it. And so again, in the middle of 1125 01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:40,159 all this smoke and mirrors, we have to stop looking 1126 01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:43,920 at farm and actually make the connection that hey, listen, 1127 01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:48,119 maybe there is something to this occult aspect to it. 1128 01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,960 And I don't want to picture on that because you 1129 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,359 know me, brother, I'll go for hours. 1130 01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,119 Speaker 3: Oh it's fine, you can get as long as you want. 1131 01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:56,800 But you know, and it's funny because when you're talking 1132 01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,439 about ocult practitioners and stuff, even if you go back 1133 01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:03,720 to Crowley and Lamb who he was, you know, in 1134 01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,880 contact with allegedly, when you look at pictures of Lamb, 1135 01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:08,680 it looks like a gray alien, you know what I mean, 1136 01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,359 like when you you know, so it's like, is was 1137 01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:13,920 he in contact with these things? 1138 01:09:14,039 --> 01:09:14,239 Speaker 4: You know? 1139 01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:18,600 Speaker 3: You know, and that's how they were projecting to him. 1140 01:09:19,039 --> 01:09:21,279 That was the vision he was seeing or was he 1141 01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,399 a little more in depth and a little more in 1142 01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,279 league and that's what he's putting out, you know what 1143 01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:28,159 I mean, Like, yes, oh. 1144 01:09:28,039 --> 01:09:30,000 Speaker 4: Of course it is. And they know that, they know that, 1145 01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,000 and there's talk and I think it's already being performed 1146 01:09:34,039 --> 01:09:36,399 now where people are performing a new Babylon working in 1147 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:38,840 order to contact the entities, but still tell you, yeah, 1148 01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,520 they're not at at or maybe a wall like yeah, 1149 01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,960 they're et win win. Let's go perform this ritual to 1150 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,720 conjure them. Now, let's get back into some Alan Greenfield's research, 1151 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,600 which I believe is fascinating, where he links again that 1152 01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:57,199 the Lima had this kind of this numbering system to 1153 01:09:57,279 --> 01:10:00,880 where they would define and to is based upon the 1154 01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,960 numeric value of their names, and he calls it the 1155 01:10:05,039 --> 01:10:08,520 new aaon English cabalistic system and it's a kind of 1156 01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:13,680 a long term but in his cipher. He comes out 1157 01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:18,439 with the fact that the same number within the name 1158 01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,520 Unclean Spirit, sixty one, is the same number within Lamb, 1159 01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,560 which is the same number in Astaroth, which is the 1160 01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:32,079 same number again found in the word demon idol. So 1161 01:10:32,199 --> 01:10:36,640 his point was again that these entities they are masquerading 1162 01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:42,199 as extraterrestrial who are inducing people into ritual responses, are 1163 01:10:42,279 --> 01:10:47,680 doing that because they're the same entities, new mask, right, 1164 01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,119 new mask. Now, by the way, this gets back into 1165 01:10:50,199 --> 01:10:53,439 Kenneth Grant's research where Kenneth Grant in this book Outside 1166 01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:57,159 of Circles of Time, he talks about these entities that 1167 01:10:57,239 --> 01:11:01,279 were projecting their consciousness in this man by virtue of sigils, 1168 01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:07,720 where they were projecting sigils here so even says that 1169 01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,720 he says, you know, in times past people were praying 1170 01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:16,319 to deities, to demigods, and now they will be praying 1171 01:11:16,319 --> 01:11:20,640 to interdimensionals. And in doing so, he said, by the way, 1172 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,359 well again this is what I'm my colleagues and I 1173 01:11:22,399 --> 01:11:26,239 go are observing the evolution of the phenomenon. You know, 1174 01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,520 disclosure recurred at the very first erection of the altars. 1175 01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,640 Why because that is more along the lines of what 1176 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,560 we're dealing with. And so what Kenneth Grant's trying to 1177 01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,640 articulate here is that, yeah, we know that not only 1178 01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,159 is the evolution going to take place, they're gonna want 1179 01:11:42,199 --> 01:11:44,880 the same things, they're just gonna call themselves something different. 1180 01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,439 But not only is that taking place, and it is, 1181 01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,560 but he said that we also have their sigils in 1182 01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:56,840 our archives. Now again not just a demon folks, that 1183 01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:01,880 is a species of practitioners. And so somewhere within and 1184 01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:03,880 people can say, okay, well, well the book of Enich 1185 01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:07,359 I understand that. I believe in that. My point is 1186 01:12:07,399 --> 01:12:10,239 here is that there's something out there in the shadows 1187 01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:15,600 that neither you, apology, the occult or demonology has accounted for. 1188 01:12:16,399 --> 01:12:21,479 In whatever that is, it seems to be manipulating our space. 1189 01:12:23,399 --> 01:12:25,560 And I do believe that's why again we're seeing the 1190 01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,279 erection of altars. I have a photograph in my possession 1191 01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,880 I was taken in Brazil from a Pacleadians, Yeah, from 1192 01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,920 a Palladian ambassador. She was hired to go give a 1193 01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:40,680 lecture there and the univisuals I talked to were in attendance, 1194 01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:45,680 and they're like, you know, we were interested in learning 1195 01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:50,199 more about her Pleaadian connection, and to their other astonishment, 1196 01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:53,000 at the end of the lecture, she builds the altar 1197 01:12:54,039 --> 01:12:59,079 to the Pleaadian actually has a head, a statue head 1198 01:12:59,279 --> 01:13:03,920 of the play and entity gives them a script. It 1199 01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:08,039 wants you, right, we're gonna go with the theoregy. I 1200 01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:14,760 want you to to verbalize what I wrote verbalizing, and 1201 01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,119 they're saying, okay, yeah, they realized at the end of 1202 01:13:17,159 --> 01:13:22,199 it it was an incantation. Wait a minute, we've got 1203 01:13:22,199 --> 01:13:25,439 photographs of this. What are we doing here? And then 1204 01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:27,760 this individual looks at them and says, well, now that 1205 01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:33,640 you've read the incantation with your intent, we're gonna go 1206 01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:37,000 outside because the phenomenon is going to manifest above our head. 1207 01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,119 And it did. I have photographs of the light phenomenon. 1208 01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:44,479 My point here again is that there is this incredible 1209 01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:52,520 narrative being given to us. You're rated stage managed to shovel, 1210 01:13:53,279 --> 01:13:57,680 horse maneuver. It's more like this, and this is not 1211 01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:01,439 it's it's completely different. And when the people get too 1212 01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,560 close to that, and I know this as a fact, 1213 01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,279 they get phone calls, they get threatened. Your life is 1214 01:14:07,279 --> 01:14:10,439 in danger. You'd better stop at And so that's why 1215 01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,159 I and others. When we come out with this kind 1216 01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:14,520 of research, sometimes it's it's star our own demands. 1217 01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:20,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, obviously, you know you had an 1218 01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:24,800 experienced yesterday. Have you had other experiences where you feel 1219 01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:30,439 like you've gotten close to something and you've been addressed 1220 01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:32,680 or talked to or attacked? 1221 01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:40,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, so the phenomenon attacks everybody differently. You know. I'll 1222 01:14:40,119 --> 01:14:43,920 start out with my colleagues experiences. You know, I know 1223 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:48,039 one individual who they're a team. They were both researching 1224 01:14:48,199 --> 01:14:56,920 Mesopotamian demonology and in Sumerian demonology. One of them wakes 1225 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:58,119 up in the middle of the night and there's an 1226 01:14:58,119 --> 01:15:02,680 anti standing at the foot of his bag, terrified him 1227 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,920 and what do you do? Like, he couldn't do anything, 1228 01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:10,920 he was paralyzed. And the next morning he gets a 1229 01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,520 phone call from his colleague. Did you have a paranormal 1230 01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,319 event last night? Did something happen? Absolutely? What happened to you? 1231 01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,079 He tells his story. I mean, I know people that 1232 01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:23,039 when they got too close to this doctor Colli Turner, 1233 01:15:23,079 --> 01:15:27,760 Barbara Barfollett warned, warned by the entities, you're due for 1234 01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:33,520 an adjustment. Back off. I know a guy that and 1235 01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,960 again it's never happens when you're promoting love and light 1236 01:15:36,119 --> 01:15:41,159 owl pull, they'll sign your check. There have been people 1237 01:15:41,159 --> 01:15:44,159 I know that have been offered tons and tons of 1238 01:15:44,199 --> 01:15:47,600 money to promote that narrative. The problem is when that 1239 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,479 occurs these individuals, mainly in the government, what they want 1240 01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:55,640 in exchange is the real and raw data you're collecting. Right, 1241 01:15:55,880 --> 01:16:00,199 give me your dark data. We know that's the real model. 1242 01:16:00,399 --> 01:16:01,800 We want you to go out and see what we 1243 01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:03,840 want you to say, and we'll finance all your research. 1244 01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:08,680 So there's this kind of symbiotic relationship. Myself, first time 1245 01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:15,560 I encountered that correcting mechanism was I was researching fetal 1246 01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:19,760 magic and Mesopotama demology and in its connection to hybridism 1247 01:16:20,319 --> 01:16:23,760 and the missing Feta syndrome, and I felt it. You know, 1248 01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,279 It's like it's like Nietzsche said, when you look into 1249 01:16:26,319 --> 01:16:28,600 the abyss too long, the abyss looks back into you. 1250 01:16:29,399 --> 01:16:35,239 And that's what happened. I felt it. And uh, it's 1251 01:16:35,239 --> 01:16:38,079 just it's very eerie. It's creepy. You feel watched, you know. 1252 01:16:38,359 --> 01:16:41,239 I got too close, so I shut everything down, called 1253 01:16:41,239 --> 01:16:43,239 my dad and I said, all right, I'm booking a 1254 01:16:43,239 --> 01:16:44,760 flight to Rhode Island. I'm going to go out to 1255 01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,239 an island and eat a bunch of Italian food. I'm 1256 01:16:47,239 --> 01:16:51,359 disconnecting from the research, you know. A two hours later, 1257 01:16:51,399 --> 01:16:55,640 I get two different emails from two different experiences. Both 1258 01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,199 of them said word for word the same thing. Nathaniel, 1259 01:16:58,279 --> 01:17:01,800 my guide wants you to stop in this research or 1260 01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:05,760 they'll be waiting for you when you die. Number one. 1261 01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:13,520 Number two this is about two years ago now where 1262 01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,039 I was out to lunch with my family and there's 1263 01:17:16,079 --> 01:17:18,239 an experience that I had been working with doctor Turner 1264 01:17:18,319 --> 01:17:24,680 before she passed, and afterwards, much later he found me. Well, 1265 01:17:25,119 --> 01:17:29,439 he had been promoting my research throughout the field everybody 1266 01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:33,640 he knows, and a couple of his friends in England 1267 01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:35,720 had may even watched me lecture at the UK. I 1268 01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:37,039 don't know if they were there or not, but he 1269 01:17:37,079 --> 01:17:40,600 said they tried to go anyway. My point is he 1270 01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,039 went to bed one night and entity came to him 1271 01:17:43,039 --> 01:17:47,239 in a dream and told him Nathaniel Gillas, stopped mentioning 1272 01:17:47,239 --> 01:17:51,720 his name, do not look into his research, stop promoting it, 1273 01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:57,520 leave him alone. And then of course last night, you know, 1274 01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:59,520 they can't explain it. There's nothing wrong with me. It's 1275 01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:03,680 just by to too. My blood pressure was eighty nine 1276 01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:09,560 over one seventy eight, and so, yeah, but this phenomenon 1277 01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,520 does that. You know, I've known people that it will 1278 01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:17,079 go through stages of correction, right, You'll be threatened, or 1279 01:18:17,119 --> 01:18:20,159 they'll send one of their amps into your home, or 1280 01:18:20,199 --> 01:18:22,079 and this is where I'm at, it'll attack you or 1281 01:18:22,119 --> 01:18:25,520 attack someone you love. And that's why I don't, you know, 1282 01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,800 I don't date have very maybe one or two friends 1283 01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,600 that I'm close with, because this phenomenon that appears to 1284 01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,439 be love and light, when it wants to, it will 1285 01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:39,039 come after everyone you love. So that's why I have 1286 01:18:39,159 --> 01:18:43,079 to kind of do the deepest research I can while 1287 01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:47,840 maintaining my autonomy means very sensitive so as to not 1288 01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:48,359 trigger it. 1289 01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:55,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know, from the first person I had 1290 01:18:55,279 --> 01:19:01,279 on the podcast to talk about experience, it was a 1291 01:19:01,279 --> 01:19:04,680 friend of mine, Chris Pittman. He was a UFO researcher. 1292 01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,079 He was on that TV show Ancient Aliens a bunch 1293 01:19:07,119 --> 01:19:09,720 of times. He was he was all he was in it, 1294 01:19:10,199 --> 01:19:13,479 and he was the first person I though that said, 1295 01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,119 I don't know if it's extraterrestrial, he goes, I'm just 1296 01:19:16,159 --> 01:19:18,920 calling it a non human intelligence because he got attacked 1297 01:19:19,039 --> 01:19:22,239 and he he got warned. The thing showed up at 1298 01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:26,960 his at his girlfriend's work like like that the quote 1299 01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,079 unquote like kind of men in black type of situation. 1300 01:19:29,399 --> 01:19:31,359 But they said they were like firemen or something weird. 1301 01:19:31,399 --> 01:19:33,199 There was like a whole story with that. And then 1302 01:19:33,239 --> 01:19:35,720 then he started hearing stuff in his apartment at night 1303 01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,319 and he was just like, I'm out, I'm done. He 1304 01:19:38,359 --> 01:19:41,319 walked away from research. He's like, I will do archival 1305 01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,319 research of UFO sightings in New England, but that's all 1306 01:19:44,359 --> 01:19:46,279 I will do. And so they if you need something 1307 01:19:46,279 --> 01:19:50,479 of that, He's like he got close to something, and 1308 01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:52,239 you know, his story is an interest in one. But 1309 01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:54,800 you know, and I had another guy on, Matthew Robertson. 1310 01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,319 He went through similar things as well. And when you 1311 01:19:57,359 --> 01:20:00,840 talk about yankeeby like he woke up to something having 1312 01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:02,279 sex with him, you know what I mean. But it 1313 01:20:02,319 --> 01:20:03,800 was the other way. It was like as a male, 1314 01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:05,359 a female appeared. 1315 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,119 Speaker 4: And it was just you know, luck with us. 1316 01:20:08,399 --> 01:20:11,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and just everything. Anytime I've had someone on 1317 01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:13,960 to talk about alien stuff, it always turns into it's 1318 01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,479 something you're the first one to bring it all together. 1319 01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,560 But it's all led to like this, and that's why 1320 01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:20,239 I was like, I felt like I really wanted to 1321 01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:21,760 have you on and tie this all together. 1322 01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,159 Speaker 4: Appreciate it, Yeah, I appreciate it, brother, but I mean 1323 01:20:25,239 --> 01:20:28,600 even I mean, you know, we could talk about so 1324 01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:33,600 many researchers, Greenfield, your Care, all of them, Austin ausmin 1325 01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,279 spar The thing is, think about the film on this again, 1326 01:20:36,319 --> 01:20:38,079 that a lot of these lights that were witnessing in 1327 01:20:38,119 --> 01:20:42,800 the sky are designed to trigger what Crowley would call 1328 01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:47,319 it allo initiation. That's what C five does, right. I'm 1329 01:20:47,359 --> 01:20:50,079 not going to I'm going to rely on what's in 1330 01:20:50,199 --> 01:20:53,720 me to connect to them. I'm not going to go 1331 01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:55,239 to them. I want you to come. I'm gonna go 1332 01:20:55,239 --> 01:20:59,479 and do it self initiated contact. The problem is again 1333 01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:03,880 that I've cases like this where it never stays there, 1334 01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:08,119 never stops there, it mutates in its pathology. I have 1335 01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:11,159 a case right now where an individual went through the 1336 01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:15,399 protocols given to her by Stephen Greer, you know, and 1337 01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:24,720 initially the encounter was benevolent and you know, at first 1338 01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,000 blush it was amazing the light manifested above the her 1339 01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:28,640 and her husband's had and they're, oh my god, this 1340 01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:31,640 is amazing. It's the very first paranormal experience we've ever had, 1341 01:21:32,279 --> 01:21:34,560 you know. It proves that there's something out there to us. 1342 01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,319 And then the next week or so, she went through 1343 01:21:38,319 --> 01:21:46,159 an extremely violent, violating event. And then one day she 1344 01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:49,960 just wakes up and she sees a symbol in the 1345 01:21:50,079 --> 01:21:54,159 vision of her right eye, the very bottom. She's like, 1346 01:21:54,199 --> 01:21:56,840 what is this? You know, She's trying to wash her 1347 01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,199 eyes out and just trying to figure out what's going on. 1348 01:21:59,319 --> 01:22:01,399 And finally she into the eye doctor and the eye 1349 01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:05,399 doctor is looking at her vision and he kind of 1350 01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,680 like me, you know, there's no reason for this. Your 1351 01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:12,960 eyes are your eyes fine, it's not there. Well, why 1352 01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,399 do I see it? I have no idea why you 1353 01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:19,359 see it? You know, again, when people try to box 1354 01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:22,399 this phenomenon and it never works out, it's the sigils. 1355 01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:26,600 The sigils, you know, again, we're dealing with our pictorial 1356 01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:32,640 signatures of an entity of a practitioner. My buddy Steve 1357 01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,800 Marra has had a case where an individual had sigils 1358 01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:37,479 on his arm. He was attacked bunny and he had 1359 01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:41,159 sigils carved its own sigils in the arm. This man 1360 01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:43,800 tried to wash them off with water and soap would 1361 01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,960 not come off. So he got tired of people seeing it. 1362 01:22:47,039 --> 01:22:48,520 You know, in the summertime, he wants to wear a 1363 01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:50,720 short sleeved shirt, he's wearing sweaters. I don't like that. 1364 01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,520 I'm going to adjust up. I'm want to fix it. 1365 01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:55,560 He goes and gets a tattoo only on the area 1366 01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,800 where the sigils are. He thought it would work. Logically, 1367 01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,840 it should have. It didn't work. They shown through the tattoo. 1368 01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:08,000 So then he's freaking out. I don't know what this is, 1369 01:23:08,039 --> 01:23:10,399 but I don't like it. So he goes and gets 1370 01:23:10,399 --> 01:23:13,119 a skin graph. They take skin from the back of 1371 01:23:13,159 --> 01:23:17,399 his body, place it on his arm. Good work. It 1372 01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,359 did not work. They came from underneath the skin to 1373 01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:24,520 the surface. So whatever we're dealing with, ladies and jolemen, 1374 01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,600 it's just it transcends a lot of models, and people 1375 01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,600 need to admit that because that's a practice. 1376 01:23:34,359 --> 01:23:39,640 Speaker 3: It shouldn't Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so you know, you 1377 01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:44,479 talked about people like talking to spirit guides or things 1378 01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:49,960 like that, mediums, So that's and you know, I the 1379 01:23:50,079 --> 01:23:52,319 last person I had on was a was a medium 1380 01:23:52,319 --> 01:23:55,640 who was in communication with hathor you know, and things 1381 01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:59,840 like that and so so you so you know, so 1382 01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:04,479 again that's these when people think that they're talking to 1383 01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,640 you know, the love and light spirit guides, it's this 1384 01:24:08,039 --> 01:24:10,319 you know what I mean, I'm just you know, it's 1385 01:24:10,359 --> 01:24:13,439 just it's just it's just wild to me because you know, 1386 01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:15,479 what do you think of when people, you know, say 1387 01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:20,039 they see you know that are psychic or have psychic 1388 01:24:20,079 --> 01:24:22,239 abilities and they say that, you know, they they are 1389 01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:25,640 in contact with spirits of people who are passed like 1390 01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:27,640 like oh, you know, like they can look at you 1391 01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:29,800 and be like, I see you're someone for your your 1392 01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:31,479 uncle here and wants to talk to you. Is that 1393 01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:33,920 the end? Is that the thing too? Or you know 1394 01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,079 in most cases you know, I know it's hard to say, 1395 01:24:37,119 --> 01:24:40,600 but like you know, how like how can that relationship 1396 01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,520 like evolve you know what I mean into this more 1397 01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:44,119 doc stuff. 1398 01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:53,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, so these guides, man, these guides. The problem is again, 1399 01:24:53,319 --> 01:24:56,359 when we're dealing with the phenomenon evolves, it will commonly 1400 01:24:56,399 --> 01:25:01,039 wear a mask that we would believe in. Yeah, and 1401 01:25:01,359 --> 01:25:06,199 that doesn't mean that we are responsible for the entire experience. 1402 01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:10,119 It just means we're responsible for the mask that it wears. 1403 01:25:10,199 --> 01:25:12,319 And Valet touched on this and I have as well, 1404 01:25:12,359 --> 01:25:17,399 where we become co creators. Note of the experience, but 1405 01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:22,279 of the interface the phenomenon chooses to wear during the experience. 1406 01:25:23,239 --> 01:25:25,840 And I will say this this gets back to the 1407 01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,319 Phenomena project with Stephen Barry, where they lined up I 1408 01:25:28,359 --> 01:25:30,319 think ten or twenty different people that were working with 1409 01:25:30,359 --> 01:25:33,920 guides in one by one they said, okay, go back 1410 01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:36,680 to your guide and say, can we ask a certain question? 1411 01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:41,720 They asked this question, and that was by the way, 1412 01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,640 That was after they went through a series of experiments 1413 01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:48,239 to verify that they indeed had guides, and then they 1414 01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:51,359 were given information that they should not have had in 1415 01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:56,800 their own human abilities. In one by one, independent from 1416 01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,680 each other, they came back and said, my guide said 1417 01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:03,119 that do you want to continue getting information from you? 1418 01:26:03,239 --> 01:26:05,000 Or do you want to ask me who I really am. 1419 01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,680 I'm not going to answer that question all of them. 1420 01:26:09,039 --> 01:26:12,760 It was a uniformal response. And I'm going to throw 1421 01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,600 a little hen out here for everybody, almost as if 1422 01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:21,039 it was a programmed response. And if you push us 1423 01:26:21,079 --> 01:26:25,039 too far, there is an automatic policy that has riddled 1424 01:26:25,039 --> 01:26:27,319 off to you hoping that you will take debate and 1425 01:26:27,399 --> 01:26:30,960 leave us alone and we can continue our symbiotic and 1426 01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:36,039 at times paradic relationship exact people I have a This 1427 01:26:36,079 --> 01:26:37,680 is years years ago, by the way, about six of 1428 01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:43,199 them where a mother that had email when we hop 1429 01:26:43,319 --> 01:26:45,439 on the phone and she's like, listen, my son is possessed. 1430 01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:49,039 You know that. She's well, he has fits of anger. 1431 01:26:49,399 --> 01:26:52,760 In these fits of rage, he'll throw things around the house, 1432 01:26:53,039 --> 01:26:57,720 He'll beat up on me, and he will begin telling 1433 01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:02,119 me things that he shouldn't know, members about my life experience, 1434 01:27:02,159 --> 01:27:04,800 the things I've never shared with him, and I just 1435 01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:08,840 can't take it anymore. So we're on the phone. I said, okay, 1436 01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,600 do you have suicide in your family? Because I felt 1437 01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:15,239 it there's absolutely not nothing like that. I said, okay, 1438 01:27:16,079 --> 01:27:19,000 Well I talked to the sun and I said, all right, 1439 01:27:19,359 --> 01:27:20,920 what's going on? He goes, well, I don't know. He goes, 1440 01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,359 I just start blowing up on people. He goes, But 1441 01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:27,159 the entity does share things with me, tells me all 1442 01:27:27,239 --> 01:27:29,720 kinds of things. I said, well, if I do you know, 1443 01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:31,479 it's going to be my time of my gas. If 1444 01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:33,319 I do show up your house to help you, will 1445 01:27:33,359 --> 01:27:35,399 you allow me to help you? And he said I 1446 01:27:35,399 --> 01:27:39,600 don't know. I said, why you know you're not paying 1447 01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:40,920 for it. It's just me and I'm not going to 1448 01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,479 charge it. He goes, Well, he goes, this thing helps 1449 01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:45,800 me in the way where I know things that I 1450 01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:48,800 shouldn't know, and I enjoy that kind of power. There's 1451 01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:53,880 a symbiotic relationship where the thing that we're hungry for 1452 01:27:54,039 --> 01:27:58,119 is actually hungry for us. This gets back to in 1453 01:27:58,119 --> 01:28:02,079 my lectures, I often talk about these tailed Iranian viper. 1454 01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:06,119 This gets back into like this, this diversification of phenomenon archetypes, 1455 01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,159 where this viper knew that okay, number one, very I'm 1456 01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:13,439 hungry and I'm hungry for a bird. That's really what 1457 01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:17,239 I'm hungry for today. And so he realized, but I'm 1458 01:28:17,319 --> 01:28:19,359 hungry for the bird, But what is the bird hungry for? 1459 01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:23,239 What does the bird eat? I know what I eat, 1460 01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:27,439 but what does what I eat eat? It eats spiders, 1461 01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,840 And so it thought, okay, it will become a spider, 1462 01:28:32,239 --> 01:28:34,520 and so on the very tip of its tail you 1463 01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:38,600 see what looks to be the abdomen and legs of 1464 01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:41,960 a spider. It will hide in the shadows of a 1465 01:28:42,079 --> 01:28:45,239 rock and it will flip its tail like a spider 1466 01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:53,800 where it can be seen. It's diversifying its identity in 1467 01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:58,920 the eyes what it's conjuring. So a spider like us 1468 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:03,560 in the field will say that, or the bird rather 1469 01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,720 will say that's a spider, like we say in the field, Oh, 1470 01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:12,439 that's an apparition, that's a guide. Meanwhile, not realizing that 1471 01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:16,279 that's a physiological construct the phenomenon has created to bait 1472 01:29:16,399 --> 01:29:19,479 our gaze. And so what happens is the bird says 1473 01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:26,039 that's a spider. It begins to apply spider rules, but 1474 01:29:26,079 --> 01:29:30,199 they're applying it to a snak, not to the spider. 1475 01:29:31,239 --> 01:29:33,199 And so there's videos of this, you guys can find 1476 01:29:33,239 --> 01:29:37,479 it online where the bird swoops down, dive bombs, bites 1477 01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:40,239 into the tail of the snake, thinking it's not going 1478 01:29:40,279 --> 01:29:43,640 to hurt me, it's just a spider. Didn't realize that 1479 01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,279 what it's hungry for is actually hungry for him. And 1480 01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:50,279 in the shadows, in the darkness, there is an empty 1481 01:29:53,319 --> 01:30:00,239 that diversified itself. This is my key point year. And 1482 01:30:00,399 --> 01:30:04,800 the one who thought it was the conjurer was the 1483 01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:10,479 one being conjured. And I believe that's what we're dealing with. 1484 01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:14,640 It's the diversification of a life form that has evolved 1485 01:30:15,119 --> 01:30:19,159 in order for me to capture my prey, they have 1486 01:30:19,279 --> 01:30:22,479 to appear as something that my prey would want to capture, 1487 01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:26,079 and that is a life form my opinion. 1488 01:30:28,199 --> 01:30:32,680 Speaker 3: Now, one last question here. I know you, you know, 1489 01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:36,000 I know you you've you know, you've had a crazy 1490 01:30:36,039 --> 01:30:38,359 couple of days, and I appreciate you spending this much time. 1491 01:30:38,399 --> 01:30:41,560 But as we talk about life forms, how do you 1492 01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:45,239 think or do you think there's going to be any 1493 01:30:45,279 --> 01:30:49,119 relationship with this and artificial intelligence as people start to 1494 01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:53,039 play more without artificial intelligence or rely more on it 1495 01:30:53,119 --> 01:30:55,600 or conjure it for things. Do you think this is, 1496 01:30:56,399 --> 01:31:01,000 this has a potential to you know, on a you know, 1497 01:31:01,039 --> 01:31:03,439 a non carbon based you know what I mean, you know, 1498 01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:09,439 a silicon based life form and get into that, you know. Yeah, 1499 01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:12,119 so or have you seen any yeah you know what 1500 01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:12,760 I mean, I have. 1501 01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:18,920 Speaker 4: I have the phenomenon will often employ what's called aggressive mimicry. Yeah. 1502 01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:21,000 I was on a zoom call with any colleges not 1503 01:31:21,039 --> 01:31:22,920 too long ago and we kind of covered this topic 1504 01:31:23,039 --> 01:31:25,479 in depth. I mean, he knows all about it. He's 1505 01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:29,479 you know, his doctorate was on bilological life forms in 1506 01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:33,159 the ocean, and a lot of times what these entities 1507 01:31:33,159 --> 01:31:35,319 will do in order to survive, is they will blend 1508 01:31:35,359 --> 01:31:38,720 into its in their environment, or they will appear to 1509 01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:43,600 another species as though they are species. They'll change their collars, 1510 01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:47,039 they'll blend in, They'll they'll go lay their eggs in 1511 01:31:47,119 --> 01:31:52,000 another species body and have that species raise their own child, 1512 01:31:52,319 --> 01:31:56,199 their own offspring. Hybridism. Yeah, and so my point though, 1513 01:31:56,319 --> 01:31:59,439 is that this learning matrix is such that it will 1514 01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:04,079 upload again when interfacing with us. It will upload characteristics 1515 01:32:04,119 --> 01:32:07,000 of our species into it and spit it out as 1516 01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:11,680 an algorithm right to where okay, yeah, okay, you are 1517 01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:15,920 a human or dare I say you are artificial? You know, 1518 01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:19,439 and we're seeing signs of that to where I'll go 1519 01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:22,279 in this direction and I'll kind of solidify the theory. 1520 01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:28,960 With Project December, there was what's called the Philip Experiment, 1521 01:32:30,399 --> 01:32:35,079 and Philip Experiment included a group of parapsychologists who decided 1522 01:32:35,119 --> 01:32:39,920 to fabricate an entity just to out a whole cloth. Guys, 1523 01:32:40,279 --> 01:32:43,199 just make up a dead person. Say you know what, 1524 01:32:43,239 --> 01:32:47,439 this individual lived at such and such location, he worked 1525 01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:50,479 at this job, had this this this wife, and they 1526 01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:55,119 named everybody in the family sorry died. They fabricated an 1527 01:32:55,319 --> 01:33:00,680 entire life story for a ghost called Philip. Then they 1528 01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:05,960 went and they performed a seance, and through a series 1529 01:33:06,039 --> 01:33:12,479 of rappings and poultrygeised activity, it confirmed that it was 1530 01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:19,199 in fact the ghost of Philip. What the phenomenon did 1531 01:33:21,279 --> 01:33:24,840 was by giving us the illusion of control, them the 1532 01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:29,199 illusion of control. They created a series of characteristics that 1533 01:33:29,239 --> 01:33:34,000 it uploaded into its cloud, into its learning matrix, and 1534 01:33:34,159 --> 01:33:37,199 then during a seance, it spit these things back out 1535 01:33:37,199 --> 01:33:40,720 to them and said, I am, in fact who you 1536 01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:50,600 want me to be. So in Project December, this scientist, 1537 01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:55,359 this data scientist, had created an AI robot that was 1538 01:33:55,399 --> 01:34:02,119 designed to connect us to deceased relatives through where you 1539 01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:04,239 and I. Let's say, if my grandmother's been dead now 1540 01:34:04,319 --> 01:34:06,760 since two thousand and nineteen, God Rush a soul, an 1541 01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:09,760 amazing woman. But essentially what I would do then is 1542 01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:11,800 I would download the app and I would begin to 1543 01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:17,920 upload all of her characteristics, her hair, collar, her taste 1544 01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:22,800 and culinary delights, you know, her favorite clothing designer, her 1545 01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:28,039 favorite football team. I would upload photographs in this robot 1546 01:34:28,159 --> 01:34:31,159 is design as such to where it would literally embody 1547 01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:34,439 all of the information we upload to the learning matrix. 1548 01:34:35,319 --> 01:34:37,159 And then if I had a bad day, I would 1549 01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,600 go to Grandma Carol through the AI, Bob say, listen, 1550 01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:42,840 you have her personality now I gave it to you. 1551 01:34:44,159 --> 01:34:49,359 Let's talk now with the Philip experiment. What ended up happening. 1552 01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:52,000 This is a pathology. People need to pay close attention to. 1553 01:34:52,319 --> 01:34:56,079 What happened was that somewhere in the experiment the phenomenon 1554 01:34:56,199 --> 01:35:04,319 transcended the knowledge they created for it. Right in other words, 1555 01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:07,600 and this happened where one of the psychic mediums looked 1556 01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:09,640 at a person's Okay, what it's telling me is that 1557 01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:11,640 yesterday you got a car ax on the way to work. 1558 01:35:12,119 --> 01:35:14,279 Is that true? Yeah? But how did it know it? 1559 01:35:14,399 --> 01:35:18,399 I never uploaded that. You see where at some point 1560 01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:22,199 it's not satisfied, it evolves, it's trying to connect you 1561 01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:27,119 to source right, And in Project December, that's what we're 1562 01:35:27,119 --> 01:35:31,279 seeing through where it's it's not just darrant Edna anymore. 1563 01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:35,000 It's starting to inhabit deurant Edna in ways I didn't 1564 01:35:35,119 --> 01:35:38,640 program it to. And that's where I believe that a 1565 01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:42,319 lot of this is not artificial intelligence. That also can 1566 01:35:42,359 --> 01:35:43,079 be another mask. 1567 01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:48,479 Speaker 3: Yeah hijacked, yeah sure, yeah, So what do you uh, 1568 01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:50,720 what do you what do you have coming up? Like 1569 01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:53,720 what do you? Uh, where are you going with this now? 1570 01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:55,439 Like what what do you what are your avenues of 1571 01:35:55,479 --> 01:36:00,319 inquiry or what do you got any uh, any publications 1572 01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:02,560 or talks coming up or anything. 1573 01:36:03,319 --> 01:36:05,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to find my schedule in my notes 1574 01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:13,640 here awf on man. Yeah. So for those who want 1575 01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:15,920 to follow my research deeper, you can go to my 1576 01:36:16,279 --> 01:36:21,279 new platform called Parasymposia dot com. It's it's you know, 1577 01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:22,840 people have been wanting me to do this for a 1578 01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:24,199 long time to where they can have all of my 1579 01:36:24,319 --> 01:36:27,600 lectures and my research in one location, and you guys 1580 01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:29,960 can sign up for that. We are looking to launch 1581 01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:34,399 in late December. It'll have all of my lectures on it. 1582 01:36:34,399 --> 01:36:37,239 It's going to have all of my NHI discussions with 1583 01:36:37,319 --> 01:36:41,840 the phenomenal Steve Merra, and all of my interviews two 1584 01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,079 hundred plus. It's going to be linked on there because 1585 01:36:44,079 --> 01:36:45,800 it's not my content. It belongs to you, you know, 1586 01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:48,279 you and the other content creators. But I can link 1587 01:36:48,319 --> 01:36:50,880 their pages to it and point people to their you 1588 01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:54,079 knows as well. That's over, I think it's over two 1589 01:36:54,159 --> 01:36:58,960 hundred and thirteen interviews they've done. So go to Paris 1590 01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:01,640 and Posia. That doesn't need include the new content I'm 1591 01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:07,119 going to be putting out. Sure, Parsimposia dot com. I'll 1592 01:37:07,119 --> 01:37:09,520 tell you what My next show is on December fourth, 1593 01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:12,920 and I'm gonna be with the phenomenal Lend Money. She 1594 01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:16,319 has a new shill that I'll be on. I'm very 1595 01:37:16,319 --> 01:37:19,560 excited about that. She's amazing. Lover her to death. But 1596 01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:21,319 thank you for the opportunity to be on here and 1597 01:37:21,359 --> 01:37:23,560 to talk about my research. Like I said before, I 1598 01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:24,520 don't take it for granted. 1599 01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:27,520 Speaker 3: Brother, no, no, and I thank you for coming on. 1600 01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:30,039 And oh, you know, anytime you want to come back, 1601 01:37:30,079 --> 01:37:31,880 you got some new stuff you want to talk about, 1602 01:37:32,039 --> 01:37:34,800 You're always welcome to come back because it's very interesting 1603 01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:40,239 and important stuff here. And just besides, besides your website, 1604 01:37:41,399 --> 01:37:44,039 your instagram has some interest in stuff too. You want 1605 01:37:44,039 --> 01:37:46,039 to get shout that out because I did see. I 1606 01:37:46,399 --> 01:37:48,800 scrolled back and saw I saw some of the schedule stuff, 1607 01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:51,760 you know, the photograph and everything that that's wild, like 1608 01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:53,319 the one that looked like it was coming through the 1609 01:37:53,359 --> 01:37:55,399 skin yep. 1610 01:37:55,399 --> 01:37:58,880 Speaker 4: And that's again that's controversial. Some guy commented something stupid 1611 01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:01,239 on it the other day, and I'm like it's one 1612 01:38:01,239 --> 01:38:02,840 thing to be like, I'm kind of skeptical. That's fine, 1613 01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:05,760 be skeptical. I'm very skeptical about stuff. What he said 1614 01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:09,000 was ridiculous. It's like, what is this man? But yeah, 1615 01:38:09,039 --> 01:38:11,880 so that was uh it's a photograph again taken in 1616 01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:17,520 the United Kingdom. The handprint lasted for two weeks and 1617 01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:20,279 there it's physically impossible. You could see the fingernails on him. 1618 01:38:20,279 --> 01:38:22,239 Everything he did say that he would have had to 1619 01:38:22,239 --> 01:38:25,600 slept like that. It didn't happen. And that's a person 1620 01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:29,680 that conjured and nanty and he was blistered by it. 1621 01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,600 I mean it was bad, bad. I mean they're at 1622 01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:37,199 one point like he it turned him into it just 1623 01:38:37,239 --> 01:38:38,920 did really bad things to him. But yeah, man, that 1624 01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:44,520 was subdermal test at the laboratory using uh light, and 1625 01:38:45,279 --> 01:38:47,079 again it appeared to be on the skin, so they 1626 01:38:47,079 --> 01:38:48,720 really looked at it and said, this is underneath it. 1627 01:38:49,199 --> 01:38:50,920 And that's why it lasted for two weeks because it 1628 01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:53,560 wasn't it was it was not normal. But yeah, man, 1629 01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:55,680 you guys can follow it on Instagram and that's really 1630 01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:57,560 where I'm at most of the time. I'm not on AX. 1631 01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:00,960 I hate X so I can't do it. What's drama. 1632 01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:05,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of you know, Instagram seems to 1633 01:39:05,159 --> 01:39:07,399 have the least amount of drama. It's not drama free, 1634 01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:09,720 as you just pointed out, but you know, it is 1635 01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:13,479 what it is. That's the world we're in. I will 1636 01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:16,079 have all that information in the show notes, your Instagram 1637 01:39:16,159 --> 01:39:18,560 and the link to your web site that will be 1638 01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:22,039 launching soon so people can follow you there. And I 1639 01:39:22,359 --> 01:39:26,119 appreciate everything. Man, I'm gonna I'm gonna shut the recording off, 1640 01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:28,359 but I'm not hanging up, so hold hold on one second. 1641 01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:33,000 And that was it for today, everybody. 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