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Speaker 4: Big by.
Speaker 5: Bye one we have a left.
Speaker 3: Yes, once again, we have lift off. I want to
thank you for tuning in to this episode of The
Big Truth Podcast, and I'm very excited to have my man,
Nathaniel Gillis here with me today, who's a researcher, an author,
a scholar, a gentleman, a lecturer, and he's going to
take you down this path that leads from demonology to necronetics.
And so, without further ado, Nathaniel, how you doing, buddy?
Speaker 4: Doing very well today, Doing very well. I had a
here last night of medical emergency. But I'm thankful to
be here with you and I'm excited, thank you for
the opportunity to having me on. It's it's not a
light thing. I do not take it for granted.
Speaker 3: No, and I don't take it for granted that you're here.
It shows your commitment to your research. You know, I
mean you had a you had a good health scare yesterday.
Uh so, you know, thank you for for for doing
this today. I mean we you know, and like I said,
I offered to reschedule and you're like, nope, let's do it.
This research has got to get out there. So that
shows a commitment and fortitude. Man. So I got nothing
but respect. Uh so appreciate that. But for people that
might not be familiar with you in the work that
you do, uh, why don't you kind of give everyone
a little overview and backgrounds and you know, you know,
I would like to hear how you even got into
this realm of research because it's not a it's not
a common thing, you know, and you know and and
and you know, like your your your thoughts and research
have brought you down down the line of inquiry that
has brought a unique perspective and you're bringing you a
unique perspective to uh this this world of this realm
of research. And it's very important. So I love having
the opportunity to have you on and to flesh that
out and chop it up a little bit with you.
Speaker 4: Yes, again, thank you for having me on. So for
those who are new to me, as you have already deduced,
I am Nathaniel gillis my origin story as follows. I
grew up in a haunted house. It was my very
first introduction to this phenomenon. Matter of fact, I can
remember when my father told me. I was eight years old,
but he told me when he got home from work, Nathaniel,
we've decided to move as a family, or moving across town.
We're going to go look at a house here at
about seven point thirty. So, sure enough, we looked at
this house and it was completely vacant, obviously, and I
remember my dad leading me into my room, which would
become my room future. He said, take a look around,
figure out where you're going to put everything. We're pretty
sure we're going to make an offer. Get used to
this building, get used to this all. I could still
remember once I passed the threshold into the room. From
the hallway into the room, I just remember feeling this
intense energy of feeling watched, like something was in the
room with me. I was not alone. How were you
eight years old? Yep? Eight years old, playing my game
boy Caller and big into I think it was life
with Louis. I love life with Louis back in the day.
I'm a nineties kid, but that's irrelevant at this point.
So yeah, and there I am in the room and
I'm looking around. I just felt this immense presence watching
me as I'm looking out the room itself, and I
remember that, I remember the pervasive presence of this this stench.
It was kind of a gritty stench. It smelled like
rotting or decomposed organic matter, So both of those combined.
I knew I felt something. I knew something was present.
I just didn't know what it was.
Speaker 3: Were you the only one perceiving the stench? Or did
your parents?
Speaker 4: I was the only one there in the room. They
never they never looked at it after that. Initially, then
I went to the living room with them and the realitor.
They made the offer, then we left, but later on
they experienced some paranormal activity in the home. But as
it was, I'm there looking in the room, just checking
things out and mentally trying to figure out where I'm
going to put my gaming system, my chest, drawers, the closet,
just kind of navigating my way through this room. For
some reason, I was compelled to get on my hands
and knees and look underneath the bed and I can't.
So there I was, and to my utter astonishment, I
pulled the blanket off and look underneath it, and there
appeared to be and I used that potentially up here
appeared to be a full bodied apparition of a little girl.
He was pale in complexion, she had long black hair,
was wearing a white linen dress that looked to have
been made during the turn of the century. Initially thought
that she belonged to a family in the neighborhood. Why
wouldn't I think that that's Olkham's razor at that point?
And so I remember getting back into the car on
the way home at night, falling asleep, and then when
I woke up, I'm like, guys, we got to talk.
You know, there's a girl around my age that lives
around here. And I found her underneath the bed. She
was hiding from us. It wasn't until after we moved
into the home that I got to know all the neighbors.
And again I lived there for about five or six years.
After that I knew all the neighbors, and then I
realized at a certain point, oh my gosh, that girl
does not belong here. She doesn't belong to any family
in that area, in the cold of Sata and on
the other streets next to it. That's when things started
to move in my mind. Okay, what was that? Saw? Not?
Who was it? What was it? And so once we
moved into the home, I realized that there was something
paranormal going on because number one, I never saw that
little girl again ever, but I did witness shadow figures orbs,
an entity displacing its weight in the living room. We
had a wooden floor. So just imagine be at eight
and a half years old, in the pregnant silence of
three am. You hear something displacing its weight, moving walking
all the way up to your room, and then you
feel it enter and then it's oh my god, what
is this? I can't see it, but I could feel it.
So that's what I realized that there's something profoundly wrong
about this environment. Is at that point that the phenomenon
would induce me again, between the ages of at eight
to about about fourteen fifteen, it would induce me into
dream like states. I would go into looping nightmares. And
I won't get you demonetized, but really bad things happen
to people in these nightmares where they hurt themselves. It
was really awful. But you know, you started out, it
was always black and white, in black and white, and
from the beginning to the end, you would think, Okay,
now it's going to end. I'm going to wake up,
I'm going to get ready for school. And then just
when I would think I was going to wake up,
it would start over again from the beginning, and I'm thinking,
there's something really wrong about this picture here. So you're right.
I was at the point in my life even as
a young guy, young man rather eight nine years old
a kid, I've a young man, a kid that I realized,
Number one, there is something out there. There is an
intelligence that was victimizing me. And from the ages of
fifteen to about twenty two, I debated whether or not
I even wanted to pursue this kind of research. Number One,
I didn't want to be crazy. I knew I was
not insane, and I wanted to know if other people
had experienced that phenomenon as well, and sure enough they had,
And so I made a conscious decision about twenty twenty
one or twenty two to pursue this field, to dive
head first in the literature and do my own investigations
and hopefully get answers and if not the right answers,
maybe i'll when I'm here at the right questions. So
that's what got me into the field. And that's pretty
much my origin story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And did did that entity or that president did
that only target you? Or did other people in your
house experience anything? Or were they just like, hey, you
had a bad dream, you know, and they were just
kind of dismissing it, or.
Speaker 4: Seventy thirty seventy percent of the time movies you had
a bad dream. Yep, you know, because and I'm not
ashamed to admit this, I'm talking about being thirteen years
old and just feeling this presence in my room, pulling
my mattress off the bed, sneaking into my parents' room
hoping to get sleep, because what would happen is I
would be afraid to go to sleep, hearing that I
would be induced to do one of those nightmares. And
so I would stay up all night with the lights on,
and then I think it was about maybe seven forty
five in the morning, my mother would wake up, she
would get the shower, I'd hear the whole houses up
and it's alive. Now, then I would feel comfortable enough
to look outside at the sun's risen. I would capture
about maybe forty five minutes of sleep go to school, which,
by the way, I don't recommend anybody do. That. Not
a successful strategy, but it's one that I had to deploy.
And there I was a school crashing, literally just falling
asleep on my desk. It was a very, very, very
difficult time for me, but I think it created some
kind of immunity because now that I'm doing investigations, doesn't
really traumatize me anymore. You know, some of these hauntings
I've been involved in, dealing with the phenomenology behind what
I experienced, I came to the conclusion that these various
manifestations were not independent entities in and of themselves. They
were not separate phenomena. I realized very early on that
whatever I was dealing with was masquerading as these various entities.
In other words, the same apparition or entity that was
performed the apparitional, the same entity that was the apparition,
was also the same entity that was creating a disembodied
conversations above my head at night. Those were the same enity,
the same intelligence, And so that's when I realized, Yeah,
that that was monumental in shaping my theory regarding this phenomenon.
So for those who are interested in that, I am
a proponent of what's called the unified field theory. It's controversial,
I admit that, but I am of the opinion that
what we're dealing with is a singular intelligence masquerading as
various phenomena in order to diversey its identity in our rise.
But that would mean that in many cases, the same apparition,
let's say, intelligence that's creating the apparition is in many
cases creating the uvaps we're seeing in uphology. So that's
my I guess my position as it stands today.
Speaker 3: Sure, and what is what do you think the purposes
of you know, presenting itself to different people in different
you know, in different forms, like whether some people are
oh yeah, I saw this, I saw a UFO and
some people like I saw a demon or I saw
a ghost. And you know, if it's the same, if
it's the same intelligence, what do you think the game
is with that? Like, why is it presenting itself in
different forms to different people. Is it just part of
the game to keep you not knowing what it really is,
or you.
Speaker 4: Know, people believe that plays a major role in it. Now,
there is a measure of human condition present in this phenomenon.
It's like Ray Hernandez, the author of Beyonnya and I
think it's a new reality to different books. But him
and his wife both witnessed an entity. He believed it
to be an alien, extraterrestrial entity. He believed it to
be a demon. So some of this does come down
to human perception and human worldview. Now there's also a
secondary manifestation here that has to be discussed. Number One.
We have cases where family, let's say a family of
five will be on a highways. This is one of
doctor Carlt Turner's cases, and a UAP will manifest above
the car and there will be like five or six
different cars on the highway that stop. Everybody else just
drove on bike because they never saw anything. And so
when doctor Turner interviewed this particular family of witnesses, none
of them could agree on what they saw. They knew
something was present and it was, but none of them
could agree on the shape of the craft, the number
of lights on it, and the callers of the lights
in it. That's when I realized that, hey, there's something
really wrong with us, because if that was a structured craft,
we would all they would have all agreed on what
it appeared to be. You take that case study and
combine it with some of doctor Gary Nolan's latest research.
I mean, he had a case study in France where
a young boy was inside of a vehicle. He's looking
through the sun roof out of UAP a craft and
he's describing it as this massive body. It's huge, you know,
it's blacking out the sign and all this wild stop.
And his mother looks up and what she see is
completely different. So she whips out her iPhone snaps a
picture of it, and instead of it being what the
young boy described, it was completely different. It was just
a small star shaped metallic object. And so my point
here is that we can no longer trust what we
see in the field. Now, moving deeper to this aspect
of the FINL I do believe and on my colleagues
do as well, that the phenomenon is weaponizing what's called
the observer effect. What that means is that when we
lock onto it, we make a conscious connection of it,
and with it, the phenomenon will collapse itself into something
in our presence. In many cases, what it's collapsing itself
into is not at all what it is. And so
what this means in the phenomenology is that if you
and I were in a haunted house and we are observing,
again observing with our eyes and our consciousness, we observe
an apparition of a lady in light. This is documented.
What's happening now is when we observe it with our eyes,
we'll go back to the camera and the apparition will
not be on camera. What we will capture is a
ball of light, and so there is a direct relation.
There is a connective tissue between the apparition in the
ball of light that's floating behind it. That means in
the field that now we can suggest with quite a
lot of confidence that there's evidence here to say that
a lot of these apparitions are physiological constructs. The phenomenon
is manifested in our presence. They are not real. What's
real is what we're capturing on camera.
Speaker 3: So it's almost like you know, when people see orbs
that might be the actual thing and then it projects
out of image of whatever it is. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and that's why again what we're what we observe
is not what's actually present in where Again, Now, for
those who are wondering, I just connected that to eupology
as well, not just tontology. It's the same mechanism being
weaponized against our species. So that's why when people corner
me with Nathaniel just articularly, what do you believe we're
dealing with? I come to the point where I say, look,
I no longer believe in any of the form because
it's deceiving. It's deceived. I'm looking at function and so
dealing with that aspect of the phenomenon, that's it's a
poortant understand that that mechanism is not just being weaponized
in ontology, it's in you aphology, even in the skywatcher,
the skywatcher movement right now in the field who are
actively trying to quote sum then these objects. Absolutely, yes, sir,
what they're realizing as well. And I remember watching an
interview with one of their biggest researchers who he said,
we were having a problem understanding what we're observing. That's
a what when we're observing it the win and so
between the what and when there is a weaponization of
the phenomenon that says, I'm going to control your perception
of me. You're gonna go home and you're gonna write books,
have conference as a sell t shirts about ghosts, when truthfully,
that's a physiological construct I created. And so in a way,
again it's diverse. It's identity in our rights. Now why
is it doing that? Both? Some of that again is
due to the human condition. Most of it, though, is
the phenomenon's desire to evolve, and once we start to
realize what's going on, it'll update itself like a learning matrix.
It'll evolve once more through where today we're playing them
et extraterrestrial, interdimensional even Alista Crowley said in his research, yeah,
theday they're called demons, the more they're called extraterrestrials. And
so we're looking at my colleagues, and now what we're
looking at is the evolutionary process of this intelligence. Knowing
that it has the ability to create aliases throughout all
the field. And so what we're looking at now is
the function is it functioning, not how it's forming. It's
using the form to deceive our species, But what is
its function? And so my conclusion today is that what
we're dealing with is in fact the life form. It exists.
There is something out there. It's not just mind control.
It's not a syop, it's not just a physiological construct
or a human construct. Something is out there, and in
many cases, the only time we're witnessing it is when
it glitches in our presence. It's the black Cat and
the matrix where we as research as and experiencers did
not realize the paranormal was present until it messes up,
and then we capture evidence to say, okay, what is
actually going on here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the and I know I asked this earlier,
but you know, and what do you think the reason is?
Why is it trying to ask itself? Is it like
is it just trying to stay? Is that its way
of being camouflaged, so we don't really acknowledge his existence
or like get at where it's at, Like do you
think there's folish?
Speaker 4: It evolves according to our awareness of it, and it
evolves in order to evade.
Speaker 3: So that's why this case is where like there was
a kid once where like it presented itself as a
cartoon character. That it and then later in life it
came back as a cartoon character and the kids like
that can't be real.
Speaker 4: But it was one of my that's what I've had. Yeah, yeah,
there you go. Yeah absolutely, brother, Yeah, I was like,
that sounds smart. Yeah, absolutely. And it's in those moments
when you see the mechanisms of the phenomenon. Does that
respond what interfacing with us? You know? Again, when this individual,
this female, this woman, when she told me the story,
she was very worried that I wouldn't believe her. But
knowing me, I'm kind of an eye ball myself, and
I'm like, yeah, that kind of fits well. For those
who don't know what our friend here is talking about, uh,
it's it's an amazing case, guys. This is an individual
that reached out to me and she said that she
had been abducted as a child and that when they
first manifested to her inner room, they manifested as her
favorite cartoon characters. Now here's a question, because it manifested
as a cartoon character, does that mean the cartoon character
really exists? Because that's the logic we have been using
in the field. It manifested as that right, therefore it
must be that. Well, what happened was they took her,
they ran experiments, a lot of it was gynecological. Well,
they left her alone for a few years, and during
that time she went into puberty, and she hit a
growth spurt. She no longer watched those cartoons, no longer
read those comic books, and because the Phenomenon uses programs,
it manifested to her years later as that cartoon character.
The only problem is now it's this tall, she's this toll. Yeah,
and she's thinking in her mind, it's impossible, and this
is what we should be thinking as well. It's impossible
that you're my favorite cartoon character, because that cartoon character
does not exist. He realized, I'm being manipulated by something.
And it was at that moment that the phenomenon realized,
Oh my god, she doesn't believe in the image I'm manifesting,
and for some reason, this is something my colleagues and
I are really really researching right now. For some reason,
the belief in the image affected the phenomenon, and when
she disbelieved, when she said, I'm not going to follow
this program, I do not believe in you. This entity
and this is her words, not mine. The entity's eyes
got very big. It went about this very big, and
they begin to move robotically, and she said the Thaniel.
The only way I could explain it was it was
measuring my belief in the image. It was manifesting us.
And so this is I want to take a sideon
and let everybody know that believing in the image it
manifests empowers the entity wearing that manifestation. And so somewhere
in between the first time it manifests in maybe twenty
five thirty seconds, we as a species have to have
the ability to test that spirit. They say, Okay, are
you who you want me to believe you are? Or
is there something wrong here? Or are you wearing a mask?
Or are you manifesting as something you've found in the
corridors of my imagination. That's the timeframe we have to
fight back. But my point here though, for everybody, is
that it was relying on a learning matrix. Yeah, it
had to go through the archetypes and then down this mask,
this costume, and if she didn't believe in it, it
really messed with the phenomenon. And I find that fascinating.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, the one question I did have. And you know,
as we talk about the phenomenon and as it exists
in your theory, do you also this is just a
question I've always want to I just when I've heard
you on other shows, I wanted to ask, do you
think that these other things do exist? Too?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: Do you still do you think there is a possibility
that there are extraterrestrials out there or are the interdimensional
beings but that you know exists outside of the phenomenon
that you're talking about, or do you think everything is
just that you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I don't want to. I think it would
be very anger than me if I said, okay, yeah,
there's no extra terrestrials.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, sure, yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, I just don't think that's what we're dealing with.
Speaker 3: At all here, at all, Okay at all.
Speaker 4: Again, I do believe that whatever we're dealing with here
is weaponizing. These manifestations weaponize. Even in cryptozoology, we're seeing
the same mechanism being employed. You know, I have a
friend in England, Paul Sclaire, huge in cryptozoology. He has
a book called It's a series called wilf Lands. It
shows truth proof these are cases in Benton where people
are just driving on the road and the scryptis starts
walking up to them. They're freaking out, they're losing their minds.
They're punching it, you know, they're flooring it and it's
keeping pace, but it's barely moving. Why that's a glitch.
It's a glitch. It's not real. Something else is there
that does exist. But what the phenomenon does? It uses
these archetypes to be present with us, but absent from us.
What's present with us as a species as the mask?
What's absent from us? Right the form? What's absent from
us as the function? And that's the most Germane research
being done.
Speaker 3: Right now, did was it you that was talking about?
Also just like general physical objects that it can manifest as,
like you know, like like a fork or something that
was never there before, or some piece of furniture in
the house. Was that you that was talking about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? So these are commonly known as apports. And again
this is one of those things that just traverses various fields.
You know, at first the first blush I discovered that
phenomenon in demonology, like the most diabolical possession cases included
the presence of a ports. Now an apport for those
who don't know, because I was there once, I didn't
know either, is when the phenomenon literally, it's not allegory,
it's not a metaphor, it literally materializes a foreign object
into our environment. Yeah, and that's happened the first I
discovered that again in demonology, where during the extracism the
phenomenon within the cavity of.
Speaker 5: The demoniac will materialize physical objects small enough to go
through the throat and to vacate the demoniac.
Speaker 4: They're collected by the Vatican and many other exorcists and
different traditions. But number one, that's a mechanism weaponized by
the phenomenon. Now we need to undertand the context here
when there's a war going on, I guess one way
to put it, or if the phenomenon is not wanting
to vacate, the premise promises it will replicate an object,
attach itself to that object and plant it in its environment.
Speaker 3: So it's almost like an anchor point, like an anchor.
Speaker 4: Yes, my dear friend Steve Merra, a colleague of mind,
calls it a quantum anchor to where when the phenomenon
again it doesn't want to vacate the premises, It doesn't
want to leave, It doesn't want to be exercised. If
you will, it will replicate by a portation an object
and attach itself to that object, and then that is
when you see the process of it being regurgitated by
the demoniac. Now the priests, again this is in demonology
and it's framed through that world view. But the priests
know this as oc cult objects to where they would
actually the Vatican will take them, bless them, and they
will place them in a storage space, you know, away
from the general public. Why because they believe in their
right that the phenomenon materialized them so that it could
anchor itself to them. Now that's again in demonology now
because we're dealing with the same intelligence, it's weaponizing the
same mechanism. In ontology, we also have parts. And again
this gets back into Barry Fitzherre withs de Mayor's research,
where they've had cases where the phenomenon will just take
things from homes and the families wondering for months where
did it go. I've looked for this everywhere. I guess
we're just going to chalk it up to an accident.
Maybe somebody came here and stole it, we don't know.
And then one day, out of nowhere, it will appear
in the location that they checked over and over, it
get just right in front of everybody here it is.
Speaker 3: And so the scary thing about that is, I think
everybody's had that experience. I don't know anyone that that
hasn't had that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: We wouldn't know, We wouldn't know. And and here's also
another problem that we're having is that once Stephen Barry
called on to what the phenomenon was doing, they had
they had numerous cases like this, but there was one
particular case study where a family had purchased a group
of coffee mops gather the same box. They were made
by the same manufacturer, everything was the same, and the
phenomenon took one of them and left the rest in
the home. Where's the where's the fourth one? And just
like all the other case studies, months go by out
of nowhere, they wake up in the morning, go into
the kitchen. It's on the counter. But uh, I've always
been here, No, you haven't, right, And so as it was,
he takes that port, he runs it through various tests
at a laboratory, and he came to the conclusion, this
is fascinating through these tests that the isotopic ratio of
the cup that they manifested was different than that of
the cups it came with in the box. And so
the question arose, and this is primarily where we are
with this, is that the cup that was taken in
and replaced is the replacement real? That's where we are, guys.
I apologize, but that's where we are with us. Is
that the original cup that was taken or or.
Speaker 3: Is that the original cup and something changed somewhere along the.
Speaker 4: Way, right or right? So those are two possibilities I'm
leaning towards, and I know others are as well, and
I've talked to that it wasn't the original cup. The
phenomenon had replicated again, a replica created that in its
own environment. That's why the isotopic ratio is different. And
it's not again, it's not creating its own matter from
the atomic level, it's manipulating it. Where Yeah, the isotopic
ratio is off, why because it's not the same one.
It's from that dimension from them. Now, the problem is
my afraid if we held it in our hands and
drink coffee, whether we would never know the difference to
your point, and it's a brilliant point that we only
know that because we had the ability Steph Bray had
the ability to bench test it against the real So
guess what the phenomenon started doing making sure that what
it was taking and replacing, they and of themselves were
one of one where you and I do not have
the ability to measure the glitch in the matrix by
bench testing it against the real.
Speaker 3: So that's the yeah, so it catches up. Does it
feel like it's it's the evolution is increasing, But as
you like, before people were aware of it for what
it was like like you know with your theory, you know,
and people were thinking things were ghosts or UFOs or
you know, cryptids or whatever. Are you finding that it
has to evolve faster now that people are becoming aware.
That can cause someone be like, I don't think you're
what you're saying. You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And you know, well, there's there's many ways the phenomenon
controls this kind of data, you know. Jacques Vallet was
one of the earliest, probably the earliest researcher that mentioned
the control system employed by the phenomenon. Yeah, I mean
it evolves pretty quickly and it does not want this
kind of content to get out. I mean, look what
happened last night. It's just instantly nothing's wrong with the Nathaniel.
But thankfully your A order has not exploded.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was at a level where it should have
or could have, but it did not. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh man, they scare me to death. You know, people
have fallen dead in here with that. I'm like, oh no,
and I didn't really, I mean I was only irritable,
that was it. I had no chest paining. I mean
I did have a little a lot of actually, but
I remember that. But yeah, I didn't have like the
other symptoms that went with it at the headache and
short of breatht up. But anyways, my point being that
we only know of those cases because there was enough
of a glitch brush researchers to be there soon enough
and close enough to say this doesn't make sense in
the matrix, that black cat should not be there over
and over again, and so within the learning natri it's
built into this phenomenon, we do have the ability to
catch on the problem. Is to your point and to
your question, is that my colleagues and I have to
do enough research to get a glimpse of it, to
see through the veil. And then what we do is
we take what we have and what we know, we
release a little bit to the public, and then we
just hide because we don't want to trigger that kind
of response on the part of the phenomenon. And so
it's kind of riding the knife's edge really, of getting
what we can when we can, knowing when to back off.
But my point is we only know of that I
got to stress this even more. We only know of
these glitches because we were there. And that means again
that there is possible or possible possibly let me phrase
that better, there are possibly all zimons upon thousands of
aparts in homes the phenomenon is anchored to and they
have no idea it's even there. And that's a problem
for me.
Speaker 3: Now, do you think there was What do you think
is the purpose of those incorportances so they can get back,
so they can get there quickly, or is it something
like can they observe the anchor can they observe through
those you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: Well, like is it like a fucking interdimensional alexa or something,
you know what I mean, where it's like they can
listen to all this and see you know, I.
Speaker 4: Think it goes deeper and darker than that. Unfortunately, because
again from my perspective, when you see it from this lens,
it starts to make sense as to why these mechanisms
are witnessed in various fields. In then it's just different,
different cultural costume, same mechanism. Well, my plate here is
that in ufology we have these things called implants where
they are documented, they're real, they're not a construct, right,
they're actually existing, but they're underneath the skin. And the
problem is that we don't know how they got there.
Not just that like when you go and you look
at some of these people, there is no kind of
dermal anomalies or even subdermal it's just there you see it.
We don't know how it got in there. It's almost
like it just appeared in the body. Are that's what
we're dealing with?
Speaker 3: Are There are cases too where it's like if you
someone's going to get it removed, all of a sudden,
it's spontaneously gone before even though it's a show it
shows up on an X ray. Then they go to
get it out and it's gone yep, before before they
get to the before that they make the cut.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, so I believe it's the same mechanism. And Steve
and I have been kind of touching that during our
and I touching on that rather or in our nhi
that ten times in our sessions which is on his
YouTube channel. My point here is that, yes, I do
believe they're apporting these objects to people's bodies. There's no
other skin anomalies. I mean, everything's there like there's surgery.
There's no scratches, there's no bruising, it's just showing up.
Now to your point, the same intelligence that's anchoring itself
to apports and homes is the same intelligence that's anchoring
itself into the implants and bodies. And again, if the
purpose is to monitor the environment, we also see that
in the implantation of these devices and skin. There's one
case behind me in a book called Beyond UFOs where
a young man who he was abducted, was an experiencer.
But his testimony was frightening. You said, because before his
abductions he would feel his implant turned on, and he
said in one night he felt the presence in his room.
He knew, Okay, I'm preparing myself to be taken here. Unfortunately,
why are we doing that? By the way, with species,
we have to prepare to be taken. Hey, it's ridiculous,
but here he is nonetheless, And he said that once
this implant turned on, he is seeing through their eyes
as they're approaching his home. And the question was, why
are they singing through his eyes? Because they turn the
device on number one, number two. If they're seeing through
his eyes, who's seeing through theirs? He is? And so
there's this this connection of consciousness that it had created
a unified stream of consciousness where now they're looking through
his eyes, he's looking through their eyes and they have him.
And so you see that same kind of anchoring present.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so the next kind of like beyond that
you had mentioned possession earlier, Where does possession feel you know,
you know a factor into this, Like do you think
it's these things actually entering somebody in possessing them or like,
you know, because I know you've you know, especially in demonology,
you've done a lot of work with that, how do
you think that factors into all of this?
Speaker 4: Again, this gets back into necronetics. I believe that possession
to us is pregnancy to them and hybridism long before
it was hijacked by euthology. It wasn't the splashing of DNA,
It wasn't me becoming a star seed or somebody. It
was literally a parasitic presence replicating its own species by
implanting itself into our bodies. Who are we as humans
become biological avatars or parasite? And so we know that
because in these cases of possession we also have pregnancy involved.
Why is that the case? You know? And this gets
back into sort of the ecuby literature I've done, or
research I've done rather throughout the field, where for those
that kind of break this down. So an ecbus entity
and demonology is an entity spirit okay, that appears to
a woman in the image of a man and compulates
with her. I have an issue with that model because
true equ by cases include the presence of secretions, and
a spirit does not have the ability to insciminate a
woman to full blown pregnancy. It doesn't make sense because
it shouldn't. This is again, this is the theories in
early demonology now accompanying these secretions in Equby cases are
sigils or don't leave sigils. That is a practitioner. That's
why it has secretions, because it has a body. It's
so one of the leading researchers was a guy named
Father Say story of Amino, and he's dealing with these
Equby cases, and he too came to that conclusion. He said,
because look, if it has decretions, it has corporeality, it
has a body. And so when you look at that
these cases through that lens, it's more along the lines
of a species of occultists who we confused with Hortenhoe's
and demonic. They were a species on the earth that
are embodied in the way that they replicate their own
kind is through impregnation and implantation. The impregnation comes from
the incumination. The implantation of consciousness comes from the sigilization,
the carving of sigils into the flesh of the victim. Now,
the latest research I'm doing now is combining Austin osman
Spar's sigilization. He could coin the term with Peter Carroll's
chaos magic to where what we're looking at is a
species again that then in order to project their consciousness
into the fetus they're inseminating them with. They have to
carve their sigils into the host body, which would be
the female victim. Darkest research I'm doing, minds you. I'm
aware of that very dark, very dark. But that is
a species of practitioners, and I believe they're on the
earth today. But to kind of expound on that, if
I may, that is a field I've created called necronetics.
Speaker 3: Now it deals with all of them, now them being
on Earth today through through that process that you just outlined,
the you know the baby that is born, you know
that that is it part human or is it all
that just in a human shell?
Speaker 4: Good question. So we're either dealing with an unquantified species,
that is to say, something that we have confused for demonic.
It may not be demonic, it may be something different.
It may be again a species of practitioners yet quantified
by the field, or we are dealing with And this
is where I'm kind of in the corner round further
that there is this human and entity partnership that's being
used to where the practitioner is either replicating himself his
consciousness in the new fetus, which you have the ritual
for and includes everything we've talked about. By the way,
in the croanetics its fascinating or what it's doing is
willingly the practitioner is creating a fetus for the entity
possessing him to move into and to an habit that
is very possible, very probable, even according to the data.
Because again that would be that would be the model
that would explain what we're seeing the most, I should say,
that would that would validate, verify why we're seeing cigilization
present and secretions. It's because that is a human body.
But that's and that's where I'm not with it, And
that's a whole other show that's too neat to get
into at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I mean, just it sounds reminiscent of when
you hear things of like Nephilim and seed Wars.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's pretty much we're repp.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Oh it's crazy. That's dark enough. But
that's dark enough. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, here's the problem, you know. I mean, people like
to push me in the corner, say Nathaniel, commit to
what they are, just say the magic word.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, because what we're dealing with again, if
we're dealing with an intelligence that can literally replicate reality.
Then we're moving outside of the framework of just unclean spirits.
We're dealing with something that's more evolved. And that's when
you start to realize, Like you talk to people like that,
you see that their knowledge of demonology is not there
enough to even articulate even had the conversation. I got
to lead them into the literature, pool them into case studies,
and then have a conversation and a hope that the
data speaks more than a dogma. Now here's the issue, though,
that whatever we're dealing within you afhology is absolutely what
we've dealt with in demonology. I believe that. Matter of fact,
I've had conversations with the cultists who know that to
be true, who know it to be true, and un
to the point now where I'm beyond that, I'm like, okay, yeah,
but what is that out there exactly right? Are we
just using placeholders and monikers a description as a definition
And I believe that's what we're doing.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, and you know, like you said, and if
everything's evolving, you know, And I'm not coming from any
religious standpoint, I'm just coming from you know, things I've
heard from people or you know, research I've done or
things I follow, Like, could that in the biblical sense
where you see things Nefel and seed Wall? Could that
just be early iterations of this thing? And you know,
it's just this is just it's still it's been with
us this long, and that's how it was presented then
and now it's presented as Fred Flintstone, you know what
I mean, like or whatever whatever character exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: And this is why, like, if we do our research
purely based on form, we've lost it. Yeah, yeah, we've
lost it. That's why we Again I am being a
dead horse there, but we have to look at function,
and that's when you get into the mechanics of the phenomenon.
And that's that's the only way, by the way, we
could say, Okay, these are not separate incarnations. These are
just emanations expressions write many voices of one voice actor. Yeah,
and we only know that based upon the mechanics of
the phenomenon.
Speaker 3: Now, to go beyond function, what do you think you know?
So there's the form, there's the function. What do you
think what is the motives? What's the endgame? What is
it doing? Is it just observing us? Is it trying
to learn like you said, I know, it's trying to replicate,
you know, or is it does it have is it
is everything totally like nefarious with it or does it
have some you know, like like I'm just trying to
think of like experiences like Chris Bloodsoe has with you know,
a UFO of God where he's saying, no, this is
a very benevolent thing that I'm seeing, you know, like
if that's the same thing, is is it just messing
around here like what you know, like what have you seen?
Does it have like is its purpose dark or is
there something? Or is it just kind of scientific or
is it just come down to like basic you know,
replication of species and just you know that drive.
Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about mister Bloodsoe first and foremost. I
do not believe that Chris bloods is a malevolent person. No,
I do believe he's a very decent, kind man. And
I've read his book and my heart goes out to him,
not just for you know, losing his first wife and
everything that's heartbreaking up but just the fact that just
the rejection he's dealt with a lot of church. I
grew up in church and I've felt that sting in
their tail and it's devastating, Like I've had to go
to therapy for it not to get too deep, too
dark in that area. But yeah, it's really bad stuff.
The heart goes out to him. But that doesn't mean
I'm not allowed to question the phenomenon Number one again,
when we're looking at the form, it's manifesting as a
lady in white or a white lady. And here's something again.
People miss this because if you don't actually read his book,
it's like, all right, but I do not believe that
his first abduction ever took place in cap fear. No,
he had missing time as a child. Before his mother
was picking him up from church, he made eye contact
with an owl, which is a common archetype for the grace.
Matter of fact, a lot of these entities people will
think their howls during their experiences that through memory regression,
they'll realize that wasn't an owl at all. It just
collapsed itself into a to a shape or form to
which it's hiding. My point being that he had missing
time and in fact, when Hull four who, I do
not believe it's author. I don't believe it's the Mother Mary,
the Virgin Mary either, which I'll get to that a second.
It's very, very easily debuncable. But this entity told him
that you made an agreement with us. You made an agreement.
My question is when, because when that occurred in Cake Fear,
that was at its first abduction or is it possible
that they took him as a child and that was
when he made the agreement. And so we're looking at
again in my perspective, as a complete manipulation, utter manipulation
number one. This is the glitch of the matrix where
the learning matrix. Again, it tries to be both when
it's not. It can't be both. Again, A four cannot
be the Mother Mary because Mother Mary actually existed as
a human being, had a completely different religious tradition, a
different worldview. What this appears to be again is it's
called secretism. They're secretized. It secretized. All that together just
say okay, if you believed in Mother Mary, I'm her
as well. And it's easily tested. It's saying okay, no, no, no, no,
you're not who you appear to be. That's my perspective
on that. Not only that, but there is a sting
in its tale I'm aware of people that were close
to them that are no longer close to them because
they saw the true face of the phenomenon and they went,
mind you, they went from full blown st five their
orbs and angels who completely abandoning anything that has to
do with a thor and now they're full orthodox, which
is a common response in the field to people who
witness something so traumatic, so world chattering that the only
thing they knew to do was cling to the cross.
That is. Yeah, so I don't really buy the phenomenon
when it comes to that encounter.
Speaker 3: No, But but you know, the the question is just
in general, like other than replicating itself and you know,
what do you think, what's it up to? You know
what I mean? Like, what's it? You know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that again, we're dealing with a life
form that in order for it to sustain itself in
our environment, it has to manipulate us. You know, early
on in my career, not even career, but as a child,
I knew that it was feeding off of my fear.
It would almost fabricate an emotion and projected upon me.
And if I made a conscious decision to align myself
with it, to agree with it, it would be weakened.
I mean those moments of me waking up out of
a nightmare, I would feel like I was fed upon,
My energy was gone, could barely move a muscle, emotionally drained,
physically tired. And then I noticed the phenomenon kept getting
stronger and stronger. And so again, if we're looking at
a life form, then we need to understand the phenomenon
and the paranormal as a whole, as an entire equology,
an ecosystem, and the phenomenon will feed here and manifest there.
So again, my dear friend Steve Marris had cases in parapsychology.
Others have had a two very taff other people in
the field where the phenomenon will knock something off of
a shelf and it will shake the entire household. I'm thinking,
that's very strange. What was it? And they go back
and look at the video footage and they saw that
the small object, mind you, on a shelf in the hallway.
It's knocked off, It flies off the shelf, it hits
the ground, it hits carpet, but it shakes the whole house.
But they replicate it right again. They're going to replicate too.
So what they do is they go and perform an experiment.
They knock it off the shelf, hard harder, barely a noise,
barely a sound. The phenomenon is amplifying itself in their
environment in order to again to trigger a response. And
then when it got their attention, it grasps that energy.
Then it'll go to another location and use its energy
that it got from us manifest in that environment. That's
again I believe that's how it sustains itself. And so
to us again we would say, okay, that's some eleblate haunting,
or should I say that's just a poultrygeis Nathaniel until
it manifests intension. It took all the energy and now
it's weaponizing that energy again. No, I'm energized. Okay, I'm
going to go do a B and C. And so
that's how it manifests agency. This gets Dr Barry Tause
research where he had the same thing occurred in the
San Peter haunting with Jackie and Andaz, where a lot
of highly malevolent things were happening in that household. I mean,
we're talking about human blood, plasma dripping from her cupboard,
oozing from her cabinets. They collected it in a vial,
tested it human blood, and you know, it tried to
hang Jeff Wheatcraft in the attic. He was a videographer
working with doctor team. I plaint though, is all of
that should have been localized through that household. It wasn't
it as if he went through that. The phenomenon went
through that entire process at the end of the day.
Mind you. By the way, I'll tell you guys this
as well, is in that case study that doctor Taff
and his team had cornered an orb of a ball
of light or puscular basketball size light, cornered it in
a room. It began to go and then boom, it
projected physiological construct of an apparition. But anyways, remment along.
At the end of their investigation, it began to cross
the street. Now it was parasitic. It went from that
environment to charge itself and then it replicates, oh, now
it's across the street. Why is it there again? Because
it's doing the same thing. And so I do believe
we're dealing with a life form that is, it sustains
itself through human consciousness. And unfortunately, by the way, this
is why when people say it's not a threat because
it's not killing people, or it's not landing on the
White House lawn. Not sure. If it was parasitic, its
desire would be to keep us alive, because we as
a species would be its hosts and its hurry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you how do you think? Well, how
do you think have you followed the new story that's
come out ascerned that they did crack into another dimension
and that in that dimension that when they were in there,
they knew that that dimension was aware that they were
in there. Do you think that factors into this somehow
or or you know, doern is its own.
Speaker 4: And it's so controversial. Oh, I know. I do believe
doctor Stuckelberger. I find her to be competent and intelligent,
and I do take her testimony to heart. The problem
is is there's such a movement right now in ufology
where everybody they're pushing this kind of secular worldview of
youuthology nuts and bolts and strictly nuts and bolts. And
if you think there's something spiritual going on, honey, or
you're crazy, And I know that's not the case. Number One,
I've had private conversations with people in uthology to where
they'll go to conferences spell t shirts extra terrestrial, right,
oh yeah, they're play eighty you know, there are guides
and we're star seats. And then they'll go back to
their home and show them that there's an altar built
to a spiritual entity in their closet. That's when, as
a researcher say, that's cute. That's real cute, guys. And
now I'm to ramble here. My point though here is
that yes, when you actually talk to a cult that
still tell you this, yeah, we know what they are. Again,
when you when you get into Allan Gradenfield's work, Peter
Carroll's work, you start to see that if it is
just secularist or not, I guess it's if it's just
the secular worldview of extraterrestrial presence, why are they carving
sigils into the body, Why are they wanting ultras built?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And so for flush right, we on the outside are thinking, Okay,
it's no big deal. We're just going to buy into
the narrative that they're all extraterrestrial. They know they're not.
It doesn't mean, okay that they believe they're demonic. But
there is some kind of hierarchy present, and it does
appear again to be old gods more like the old
deities that do want an ultra built in their image,
and that's how we're getting our technology. But that's again
that's a whole other picture. Now.
Speaker 3: Is that is that?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: Because that that factors into you know, two things that
we talked about really quickly, like not directly, but you
know one like Chris Blitzoe is like the agreement and
that's like a thing that you hear about in the
demonology demonology a lot is you know that these things
operate on rules and laws and like proceedings. They're almost
like like doc lawyers, you know what I mean. Like
it's like there's dominion and there's you know, there's things
like there's ways of operating and whatnot. But also, you know,
having alters and the need to be worshiped, is that
something that's given them energy as well? Is that? Is that?
What is that the purpose of having.
Speaker 4: I do believe that, I do believe that's the case.
Where does that put us in history? We have no clue.
I mean, we're still stuck in Teawitt and Davies writings
of Okay, build an altar for a deified or demonized ancestor.
You know, we know what they want us to do.
We just don't know why they want us to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And that's that's kind of where I'm at. But yeah,
I mean, I yes, I mean dealing with the civilization
on its experiences. That's the thing, not my imagination. I mean.
The problem is with American upology. It's been so controlled
by three letter agencities that again that it will they
will elevate researchers and they just shut other people down.
You know, I've been I did a conference in England
where we lectured on the Dark Side of the Apology.
It lasted, I mean between myself and the other lecturers,
we had maybe sixteen hours of content and within a
month it was taken down and it was gone. And
I got a message on WhatsApp. Well they got to us.
Why because And I'm telling you, if you guys think
I'm crazy, that's fine, but I want you to go
listen to and I got to be very careful with us.
Go to the podcast called Cosmosis. I have nothing but
respect for these researchers. They're amazing people. I don't know
what they experienced, but one of them was on an
X space recently. And again, this is a person who
was approaching all of this through the secularist worldview. I'm
believing I'm researching extra terrestrial and for the scientific advancement
of our species. And yet what she encountered, what they encountered,
in her words, not mine, was a species or a group,
a cult, I should say, occultists. And that ufology, secularist
upology as we see it today, is a smoke screen.
It is a front. Now, that's what she said. I'm
going to bring it along the lines to Nathaniel Gillis.
That's why I say it looks like we're dealing with
a species of occultists. Now demonology, it's like, I'm not
a practitioner, but in demonology, the correct model, at least
would be a practitioner pays homage to a demon, right,
and this practitioner uses that demon schigils to pull it
into this dimension, and there's a separation between the demonic,
the demon and the practitioner. They're separate. They're trying to
tell people over and over again that I believe that
that model is a little bit more incorrect. What we're
dealing with. What we're dealing with is an entirely different
species of practitioner. And they're here. They're here. This is
why you have people like Alan Greenfield saying listen, CE
five could have been written into Gramoire from the seventeenth century,
because it's the exact same thing with a different cultural costume.
Even let's get back to this, if I may even
even this ashtar command that so many people are channeling,
not an extraterrestrial that comes from Gaatia, that comes from
goetic grimoires. That is an ancient entity. And by the way,
there are demonic rituals that you can employ in order
to contact it. And so again, in the middle of
all this smoke and mirrors, we have to stop looking
at farm and actually make the connection that hey, listen,
maybe there is something to this occult aspect to it.
And I don't want to picture on that because you
know me, brother, I'll go for hours.
Speaker 3: Oh it's fine, you can get as long as you want.
But you know, and it's funny because when you're talking
about ocult practitioners and stuff, even if you go back
to Crowley and Lamb who he was, you know, in
contact with allegedly, when you look at pictures of Lamb,
it looks like a gray alien, you know what I mean,
like when you you know, so it's like, is was
he in contact with these things?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: You know, and that's how they were projecting to him.
That was the vision he was seeing or was he
a little more in depth and a little more in
league and that's what he's putting out, you know what
I mean, Like, yes, oh.
Speaker 4: Of course it is. And they know that, they know that,
and there's talk and I think it's already being performed
now where people are performing a new Babylon working in
order to contact the entities, but still tell you, yeah,
they're not at at or maybe a wall like yeah,
they're et win win. Let's go perform this ritual to
conjure them. Now, let's get back into some Alan Greenfield's research,
which I believe is fascinating, where he links again that
the Lima had this kind of this numbering system to
where they would define and to is based upon the
numeric value of their names, and he calls it the
new aaon English cabalistic system and it's a kind of
a long term but in his cipher. He comes out
with the fact that the same number within the name
Unclean Spirit, sixty one, is the same number within Lamb,
which is the same number in Astaroth, which is the
same number again found in the word demon idol. So
his point was again that these entities they are masquerading
as extraterrestrial who are inducing people into ritual responses, are
doing that because they're the same entities, new mask, right,
new mask. Now, by the way, this gets back into
Kenneth Grant's research where Kenneth Grant in this book Outside
of Circles of Time, he talks about these entities that
were projecting their consciousness in this man by virtue of sigils,
where they were projecting sigils here so even says that
he says, you know, in times past people were praying
to deities, to demigods, and now they will be praying
to interdimensionals. And in doing so, he said, by the way,
well again this is what I'm my colleagues and I
go are observing the evolution of the phenomenon. You know,
disclosure recurred at the very first erection of the altars.
Why because that is more along the lines of what
we're dealing with. And so what Kenneth Grant's trying to
articulate here is that, yeah, we know that not only
is the evolution going to take place, they're gonna want
the same things, they're just gonna call themselves something different.
But not only is that taking place, and it is,
but he said that we also have their sigils in
our archives. Now again not just a demon folks, that
is a species of practitioners. And so somewhere within and
people can say, okay, well, well the book of Enich
I understand that. I believe in that. My point is
here is that there's something out there in the shadows
that neither you, apology, the occult or demonology has accounted for.
In whatever that is, it seems to be manipulating our space.
And I do believe that's why again we're seeing the
erection of altars. I have a photograph in my possession
I was taken in Brazil from a Pacleadians, Yeah, from
a Palladian ambassador. She was hired to go give a
lecture there and the univisuals I talked to were in attendance,
and they're like, you know, we were interested in learning
more about her Pleaadian connection, and to their other astonishment,
at the end of the lecture, she builds the altar
to the Pleaadian actually has a head, a statue head
of the play and entity gives them a script. It
wants you, right, we're gonna go with the theoregy. I
want you to to verbalize what I wrote verbalizing, and
they're saying, okay, yeah, they realized at the end of
it it was an incantation. Wait a minute, we've got
photographs of this. What are we doing here? And then
this individual looks at them and says, well, now that
you've read the incantation with your intent, we're gonna go
outside because the phenomenon is going to manifest above our head.
And it did. I have photographs of the light phenomenon.
My point here again is that there is this incredible
narrative being given to us. You're rated stage managed to shovel,
horse maneuver. It's more like this, and this is not
it's it's completely different. And when the people get too
close to that, and I know this as a fact,
they get phone calls, they get threatened. Your life is
in danger. You'd better stop at And so that's why
I and others. When we come out with this kind
of research, sometimes it's it's star our own demands.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, obviously, you know you had an
experienced yesterday. Have you had other experiences where you feel
like you've gotten close to something and you've been addressed
or talked to or attacked?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the phenomenon attacks everybody differently. You know. I'll
start out with my colleagues experiences. You know, I know
one individual who they're a team. They were both researching
Mesopotamian demonology and in Sumerian demonology. One of them wakes
up in the middle of the night and there's an
anti standing at the foot of his bag, terrified him
and what do you do? Like, he couldn't do anything,
he was paralyzed. And the next morning he gets a
phone call from his colleague. Did you have a paranormal
event last night? Did something happen? Absolutely? What happened to you?
He tells his story. I mean, I know people that
when they got too close to this doctor Colli Turner,
Barbara Barfollett warned, warned by the entities, you're due for
an adjustment. Back off. I know a guy that and
again it's never happens when you're promoting love and light
owl pull, they'll sign your check. There have been people
I know that have been offered tons and tons of
money to promote that narrative. The problem is when that
occurs these individuals, mainly in the government, what they want
in exchange is the real and raw data you're collecting. Right,
give me your dark data. We know that's the real model.
We want you to go out and see what we
want you to say, and we'll finance all your research.
So there's this kind of symbiotic relationship. Myself, first time
I encountered that correcting mechanism was I was researching fetal
magic and Mesopotama demology and in its connection to hybridism
and the missing Feta syndrome, and I felt it. You know,
It's like it's like Nietzsche said, when you look into
the abyss too long, the abyss looks back into you.
And that's what happened. I felt it. And uh, it's
just it's very eerie. It's creepy. You feel watched, you know.
I got too close, so I shut everything down, called
my dad and I said, all right, I'm booking a
flight to Rhode Island. I'm going to go out to
an island and eat a bunch of Italian food. I'm
disconnecting from the research, you know. A two hours later,
I get two different emails from two different experiences. Both
of them said word for word the same thing. Nathaniel,
my guide wants you to stop in this research or
they'll be waiting for you when you die. Number one.
Number two this is about two years ago now where
I was out to lunch with my family and there's
an experience that I had been working with doctor Turner
before she passed, and afterwards, much later he found me. Well,
he had been promoting my research throughout the field everybody
he knows, and a couple of his friends in England
had may even watched me lecture at the UK. I
don't know if they were there or not, but he
said they tried to go anyway. My point is he
went to bed one night and entity came to him
in a dream and told him Nathaniel Gillas, stopped mentioning
his name, do not look into his research, stop promoting it,
leave him alone. And then of course last night, you know,
they can't explain it. There's nothing wrong with me. It's
just by to too. My blood pressure was eighty nine
over one seventy eight, and so, yeah, but this phenomenon
does that. You know, I've known people that it will
go through stages of correction, right, You'll be threatened, or
they'll send one of their amps into your home, or
and this is where I'm at, it'll attack you or
attack someone you love. And that's why I don't, you know,
I don't date have very maybe one or two friends
that I'm close with, because this phenomenon that appears to
be love and light, when it wants to, it will
come after everyone you love. So that's why I have
to kind of do the deepest research I can while
maintaining my autonomy means very sensitive so as to not
trigger it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know, from the first person I had
on the podcast to talk about experience, it was a
friend of mine, Chris Pittman. He was a UFO researcher.
He was on that TV show Ancient Aliens a bunch
of times. He was he was all he was in it,
and he was the first person I though that said,
I don't know if it's extraterrestrial, he goes, I'm just
calling it a non human intelligence because he got attacked
and he he got warned. The thing showed up at
his at his girlfriend's work like like that the quote
unquote like kind of men in black type of situation.
But they said they were like firemen or something weird.
There was like a whole story with that. And then
then he started hearing stuff in his apartment at night
and he was just like, I'm out, I'm done. He
walked away from research. He's like, I will do archival
research of UFO sightings in New England, but that's all
I will do. And so they if you need something
of that, He's like he got close to something, and
you know, his story is an interest in one. But
you know, and I had another guy on, Matthew Robertson.
He went through similar things as well. And when you
talk about yankeeby like he woke up to something having
sex with him, you know what I mean. But it
was the other way. It was like as a male,
a female appeared.
Speaker 4: And it was just you know, luck with us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and just everything. Anytime I've had someone on
to talk about alien stuff, it always turns into it's
something you're the first one to bring it all together.
But it's all led to like this, and that's why
I was like, I felt like I really wanted to
have you on and tie this all together.
Speaker 4: Appreciate it, Yeah, I appreciate it, brother, but I mean
even I mean, you know, we could talk about so
many researchers, Greenfield, your Care, all of them, Austin ausmin
spar The thing is, think about the film on this again,
that a lot of these lights that were witnessing in
the sky are designed to trigger what Crowley would call
it allo initiation. That's what C five does, right. I'm
not going to I'm going to rely on what's in
me to connect to them. I'm not going to go
to them. I want you to come. I'm gonna go
and do it self initiated contact. The problem is again
that I've cases like this where it never stays there,
never stops there, it mutates in its pathology. I have
a case right now where an individual went through the
protocols given to her by Stephen Greer, you know, and
initially the encounter was benevolent and you know, at first
blush it was amazing the light manifested above the her
and her husband's had and they're, oh my god, this
is amazing. It's the very first paranormal experience we've ever had,
you know. It proves that there's something out there to us.
And then the next week or so, she went through
an extremely violent, violating event. And then one day she
just wakes up and she sees a symbol in the
vision of her right eye, the very bottom. She's like,
what is this? You know, She's trying to wash her
eyes out and just trying to figure out what's going on.
And finally she into the eye doctor and the eye
doctor is looking at her vision and he kind of
like me, you know, there's no reason for this. Your
eyes are your eyes fine, it's not there. Well, why
do I see it? I have no idea why you
see it? You know, again, when people try to box
this phenomenon and it never works out, it's the sigils.
The sigils, you know, again, we're dealing with our pictorial
signatures of an entity of a practitioner. My buddy Steve
Marra has had a case where an individual had sigils
on his arm. He was attacked bunny and he had
sigils carved its own sigils in the arm. This man
tried to wash them off with water and soap would
not come off. So he got tired of people seeing it.
You know, in the summertime, he wants to wear a
short sleeved shirt, he's wearing sweaters. I don't like that.
I'm going to adjust up. I'm want to fix it.
He goes and gets a tattoo only on the area
where the sigils are. He thought it would work. Logically,
it should have. It didn't work. They shown through the tattoo.
So then he's freaking out. I don't know what this is,
but I don't like it. So he goes and gets
a skin graph. They take skin from the back of
his body, place it on his arm. Good work. It
did not work. They came from underneath the skin to
the surface. So whatever we're dealing with, ladies and jolemen,
it's just it transcends a lot of models, and people
need to admit that because that's a practice.
Speaker 3: It shouldn't Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so you know, you
talked about people like talking to spirit guides or things
like that, mediums, So that's and you know, I the
last person I had on was a was a medium
who was in communication with hathor you know, and things
like that and so so you so you know, so
again that's these when people think that they're talking to
you know, the love and light spirit guides, it's this
you know what I mean, I'm just you know, it's
just it's just it's just wild to me because you know,
what do you think of when people, you know, say
they see you know that are psychic or have psychic
abilities and they say that, you know, they they are
in contact with spirits of people who are passed like
like oh, you know, like they can look at you
and be like, I see you're someone for your your
uncle here and wants to talk to you. Is that
the end? Is that the thing too? Or you know
in most cases you know, I know it's hard to say,
but like you know, how like how can that relationship
like evolve you know what I mean into this more
doc stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so these guides, man, these guides. The problem is again,
when we're dealing with the phenomenon evolves, it will commonly
wear a mask that we would believe in. Yeah, and
that doesn't mean that we are responsible for the entire experience.
It just means we're responsible for the mask that it wears.
And Valet touched on this and I have as well,
where we become co creators. Note of the experience, but
of the interface the phenomenon chooses to wear during the experience.
And I will say this this gets back to the
Phenomena project with Stephen Barry, where they lined up I
think ten or twenty different people that were working with
guides in one by one they said, okay, go back
to your guide and say, can we ask a certain question?
They asked this question, and that was by the way,
That was after they went through a series of experiments
to verify that they indeed had guides, and then they
were given information that they should not have had in
their own human abilities. In one by one, independent from
each other, they came back and said, my guide said
that do you want to continue getting information from you?
Or do you want to ask me who I really am.
I'm not going to answer that question all of them.
It was a uniformal response. And I'm going to throw
a little hen out here for everybody, almost as if
it was a programmed response. And if you push us
too far, there is an automatic policy that has riddled
off to you hoping that you will take debate and
leave us alone and we can continue our symbiotic and
at times paradic relationship exact people I have a This
is years years ago, by the way, about six of
them where a mother that had email when we hop
on the phone and she's like, listen, my son is possessed.
You know that. She's well, he has fits of anger.
In these fits of rage, he'll throw things around the house,
He'll beat up on me, and he will begin telling
me things that he shouldn't know, members about my life experience,
the things I've never shared with him, and I just
can't take it anymore. So we're on the phone. I said, okay,
do you have suicide in your family? Because I felt
it there's absolutely not nothing like that. I said, okay,
Well I talked to the sun and I said, all right,
what's going on? He goes, well, I don't know. He goes,
I just start blowing up on people. He goes, But
the entity does share things with me, tells me all
kinds of things. I said, well, if I do you know,
it's going to be my time of my gas. If
I do show up your house to help you, will
you allow me to help you? And he said I
don't know. I said, why you know you're not paying
for it. It's just me and I'm not going to
charge it. He goes, Well, he goes, this thing helps
me in the way where I know things that I
shouldn't know, and I enjoy that kind of power. There's
a symbiotic relationship where the thing that we're hungry for
is actually hungry for us. This gets back to in
my lectures, I often talk about these tailed Iranian viper.
This gets back into like this, this diversification of phenomenon archetypes,
where this viper knew that okay, number one, very I'm
hungry and I'm hungry for a bird. That's really what
I'm hungry for today. And so he realized, but I'm
hungry for the bird, But what is the bird hungry for?
What does the bird eat? I know what I eat,
but what does what I eat eat? It eats spiders,
And so it thought, okay, it will become a spider,
and so on the very tip of its tail you
see what looks to be the abdomen and legs of
a spider. It will hide in the shadows of a
rock and it will flip its tail like a spider
where it can be seen. It's diversifying its identity in
the eyes what it's conjuring. So a spider like us
in the field will say that, or the bird rather
will say that's a spider, like we say in the field, Oh,
that's an apparition, that's a guide. Meanwhile, not realizing that
that's a physiological construct the phenomenon has created to bait
our gaze. And so what happens is the bird says
that's a spider. It begins to apply spider rules, but
they're applying it to a snak, not to the spider.
And so there's videos of this, you guys can find
it online where the bird swoops down, dive bombs, bites
into the tail of the snake, thinking it's not going
to hurt me, it's just a spider. Didn't realize that
what it's hungry for is actually hungry for him. And
in the shadows, in the darkness, there is an empty
that diversified itself. This is my key point year. And
the one who thought it was the conjurer was the
one being conjured. And I believe that's what we're dealing with.
It's the diversification of a life form that has evolved
in order for me to capture my prey, they have
to appear as something that my prey would want to capture,
and that is a life form my opinion.
Speaker 3: Now, one last question here. I know you, you know,
I know you you've you know, you've had a crazy
couple of days, and I appreciate you spending this much time.
But as we talk about life forms, how do you
think or do you think there's going to be any
relationship with this and artificial intelligence as people start to
play more without artificial intelligence or rely more on it
or conjure it for things. Do you think this is,
this has a potential to you know, on a you know,
a non carbon based you know what I mean, you know,
a silicon based life form and get into that, you know. Yeah,
so or have you seen any yeah you know what
I mean, I have.
Speaker 4: I have the phenomenon will often employ what's called aggressive mimicry. Yeah.
I was on a zoom call with any colleges not
too long ago and we kind of covered this topic
in depth. I mean, he knows all about it. He's
you know, his doctorate was on bilological life forms in
the ocean, and a lot of times what these entities
will do in order to survive, is they will blend
into its in their environment, or they will appear to
another species as though they are species. They'll change their collars,
they'll blend in, They'll they'll go lay their eggs in
another species body and have that species raise their own child,
their own offspring. Hybridism. Yeah, and so my point though,
is that this learning matrix is such that it will
upload again when interfacing with us. It will upload characteristics
of our species into it and spit it out as
an algorithm right to where okay, yeah, okay, you are
a human or dare I say you are artificial? You know,
and we're seeing signs of that to where I'll go
in this direction and I'll kind of solidify the theory.
With Project December, there was what's called the Philip Experiment,
and Philip Experiment included a group of parapsychologists who decided
to fabricate an entity just to out a whole cloth. Guys,
just make up a dead person. Say you know what,
this individual lived at such and such location, he worked
at this job, had this this this wife, and they
named everybody in the family sorry died. They fabricated an
entire life story for a ghost called Philip. Then they
went and they performed a seance, and through a series
of rappings and poultrygeised activity, it confirmed that it was
in fact the ghost of Philip. What the phenomenon did
was by giving us the illusion of control, them the
illusion of control. They created a series of characteristics that
it uploaded into its cloud, into its learning matrix, and
then during a seance, it spit these things back out
to them and said, I am, in fact who you
want me to be. So in Project December, this scientist,
this data scientist, had created an AI robot that was
designed to connect us to deceased relatives through where you
and I. Let's say, if my grandmother's been dead now
since two thousand and nineteen, God Rush a soul, an
amazing woman. But essentially what I would do then is
I would download the app and I would begin to
upload all of her characteristics, her hair, collar, her taste
and culinary delights, you know, her favorite clothing designer, her
favorite football team. I would upload photographs in this robot
is design as such to where it would literally embody
all of the information we upload to the learning matrix.
And then if I had a bad day, I would
go to Grandma Carol through the AI, Bob say, listen,
you have her personality now I gave it to you.
Let's talk now with the Philip experiment. What ended up happening.
This is a pathology. People need to pay close attention to.
What happened was that somewhere in the experiment the phenomenon
transcended the knowledge they created for it. Right in other words,
and this happened where one of the psychic mediums looked
at a person's Okay, what it's telling me is that
yesterday you got a car ax on the way to work.
Is that true? Yeah? But how did it know it?
I never uploaded that. You see where at some point
it's not satisfied, it evolves, it's trying to connect you
to source right, And in Project December, that's what we're
seeing through where it's it's not just darrant Edna anymore.
It's starting to inhabit deurant Edna in ways I didn't
program it to. And that's where I believe that a
lot of this is not artificial intelligence. That also can
be another mask.
Speaker 3: Yeah hijacked, yeah sure, yeah, So what do you uh,
what do you what do you have coming up? Like
what do you? Uh, where are you going with this now?
Like what what do you what are your avenues of
inquiry or what do you got any uh, any publications
or talks coming up or anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to find my schedule in my notes
here awf on man. Yeah. So for those who want
to follow my research deeper, you can go to my
new platform called Parasymposia dot com. It's it's you know,
people have been wanting me to do this for a
long time to where they can have all of my
lectures and my research in one location, and you guys
can sign up for that. We are looking to launch
in late December. It'll have all of my lectures on it.
It's going to have all of my NHI discussions with
the phenomenal Steve Merra, and all of my interviews two
hundred plus. It's going to be linked on there because
it's not my content. It belongs to you, you know,
you and the other content creators. But I can link
their pages to it and point people to their you
knows as well. That's over, I think it's over two
hundred and thirteen interviews they've done. So go to Paris
and Posia. That doesn't need include the new content I'm
going to be putting out. Sure, Parsimposia dot com. I'll
tell you what My next show is on December fourth,
and I'm gonna be with the phenomenal Lend Money. She
has a new shill that I'll be on. I'm very
excited about that. She's amazing. Lover her to death. But
thank you for the opportunity to be on here and
to talk about my research. Like I said before, I
don't take it for granted.
Speaker 3: Brother, no, no, and I thank you for coming on.
And oh, you know, anytime you want to come back,
you got some new stuff you want to talk about,
You're always welcome to come back because it's very interesting
and important stuff here. And just besides, besides your website,
your instagram has some interest in stuff too. You want
to get shout that out because I did see. I
scrolled back and saw I saw some of the schedule stuff,
you know, the photograph and everything that that's wild, like
the one that looked like it was coming through the
skin yep.
Speaker 4: And that's again that's controversial. Some guy commented something stupid
on it the other day, and I'm like it's one
thing to be like, I'm kind of skeptical. That's fine,
be skeptical. I'm very skeptical about stuff. What he said
was ridiculous. It's like, what is this man? But yeah,
so that was uh it's a photograph again taken in
the United Kingdom. The handprint lasted for two weeks and
there it's physically impossible. You could see the fingernails on him.
Everything he did say that he would have had to
slept like that. It didn't happen. And that's a person
that conjured and nanty and he was blistered by it.
I mean it was bad, bad. I mean they're at
one point like he it turned him into it just
did really bad things to him. But yeah, man, that
was subdermal test at the laboratory using uh light, and
again it appeared to be on the skin, so they
really looked at it and said, this is underneath it.
And that's why it lasted for two weeks because it
wasn't it was it was not normal. But yeah, man,
you guys can follow it on Instagram and that's really
where I'm at most of the time. I'm not on AX.
I hate X so I can't do it. What's drama.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of you know, Instagram seems to
have the least amount of drama. It's not drama free,
as you just pointed out, but you know, it is
what it is. That's the world we're in. I will
have all that information in the show notes, your Instagram
and the link to your web site that will be
launching soon so people can follow you there. And I
appreciate everything. Man, I'm gonna I'm gonna shut the recording off,
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