Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. His name
is Tim Duckworth. It is Sunday, January eleventh. It looks
like the Jaguars are about to kick an extra point?
Is this?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Extra point to go up? Seventeen thirteen is the middle
of wild card weekend, but.
Speaker 2: More important to be twenty than thirteen.
Speaker 1: Why is that, mister idiot miss?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well, you know kickers af I mean, that's just how
it is.
Speaker 2: Best kicker in the league.
Speaker 1: No, there's no shot, he's the best kicker in the league.
Speaker 2: Biggest kick. How about biggest kicker in the league?
Speaker 1: No, no, Brandon Aubrey's the biggest.
Speaker 2: Didn't he didn't He set the record for an out
those stadium last week.
Speaker 1: That I don't if you were to line them up
side by side and have them do some sort of
kickoff Brandon Aubrey all day, Like what do you want
to bet all day?
Speaker 2: And every how many field goals he missed in the
last like four weeks of the season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because whatever, it doesn't matter. It's twelve twenty two
pm on this fine Sunday. We're going to be talking
all things end of the season PGT Last Chance PGT Championship.
The PGT Championship kicks off on Monday, January twelfth, a
two day event. Fifty four players, I believe is what
it is. It's forty players from the top forty of
the season long leaderboard, as we've been talking about for
an entire year. It is also fourteen Dream seats winners,
five of which won their dream seats at the death,
as some might say during the PGT Last Chance series.
So we're going to get into all of that sort
of stuff. I'm guessing Tim and I should do some
sort of fantasy draft or whatever. He's probably kicking my ass.
I haven't even checked on anything I am. So you know,
it is what it is. What can you you got?
You gotta let the fish win sometimes so they keep
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the Last Chance series six tournaments. As we talked about
what a week ago, week and half ago something like that,
six tournaments, all ten K buy ins. We had a
lot on the line. You had a Player of the
Year race that was still to be decided. You had
people trying to get into the top forty. You had
people in the top forty trying to move up some
spot in order to get some more chips for the
PGT Championship. You had people who were in the top
forty but at the bottom trying to make sure that
they stayed in the top forty by competing, maybe getting
a couple more points. Then, of course, you had the
five dream seats that were up for grabs during the
series leaderboard. So even if you hadn't done a damn
thing all PGT season, shout out to you, Jeremy Becker,
then wow, has he done anything all PGT season?
Speaker 2: Yea, he did a little bit of this, a little
bit of that.
Speaker 1: Okay, how about this, if you were and I don't
even know if you could actually do this, but if
you could put points per dollar, he's definitely he's got
to be low because he had a ton of buyings
all season and it was pretty low. I would also
say Jeremy Osmas is probably high up there.
Speaker 2: I know who's I know who the leader probably is.
Speaker 1: Who's the leader?
Speaker 2: Well, at least it's definitely Victoria Lushitz No, no, no, shot,
what do you mean she has one hundred and fifty
six points.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but if you factor in, I think part
of Jeremy is that, like he played all the big
buy and stuff. Wow, she skipped some bigger buy and stuff,
Like she might have skipped a couple of twenty five k's.
Speaker 2: Even if she skipped the twenty five k's. I mean,
Becca has four XRA points on.
Speaker 1: Her Yeah, I mean it could it could be.
Speaker 2: And three and a half x the winnings. Listen, there's
probably someone even lower than that.
Speaker 1: But like some years are good, some years are bad.
It's just that's just poker. That's the variance of it all.
So once again, you know, during this during this series,
you know, we got a lot of I don't know,
hype buzz, like at least within the room for sure,
just of these players like sweating trying to figure out
what was happening where they had to finish. You know,
do I have to get here? Do I have to
get there? Like, well, what about this guy over here?
What's going on? And then in addition to that, not
only the people in the Pokergro studio, but like you were,
you know, messaging people left right and center all day
every day, telling them like because there was people that
were on the cusp of the top forty or maybe
they were you know, right below it and or sorry,
right at the bottom of it, and you know, there
was a chance that they could fall out. Some did
fall out, as we'll talk about, you know, but they
were just going to basically sweat it and then hop
on a plane today if that were the case. So
we got a lot to dive into. I think first
and foremost the thing that I want to touch on
is the thing that took until the absolute last second
to be decided, and that's the Player of the Year yep,
which coming into PGT Last Chance, you had Sam Silverll
as the leader on top of the season long leaderboard.
So the winner for the season long leader board gets
a fifty thousand dollars bonus, they get the award, the trophy,
and then they also enter the PGT Championship with the
most starting chips. Starting hips in that event are based
on your leaderboard finishing position. Alex Foxen was like right
there within striking distance. He's like fifty or sixty or
seventy points behind coming into the series. You know, so
like one deep run from Alex Foxen, like he could
overtake sover Of course he needed to fade Soverll doing
anything as well. Chino Reeim was a long shot, but
but he could make it happen, right, He was like
four fifty or five hundred points out. You know, a
couple of these events had three hundred points plus up top,
so you know, a win and then you know some
other stuff from from Chino and he could have Tooken,
taken the Player of the Year title. Anyone else you
would have needed to win like four events, you know,
like Shausamal would have needed to win four events. Not
that that's necessarily out of the realm of possibility, but
you know, it would have been a very very very
small chance for that to happen. But you got Soverroll
getting in there, like he had a couple of cases
to kind of pad his lead. Alex Foxen looked like
nothing was really going to happen for him. He was
I think we heard him say last night, at least
I heard him say last night that he put eighteen
bullets in over the course of the entire series. So
Alex Foxen was certainly blasting to try and get this
Player of the Year title. You know, these three guys,
Fox and Sobroll and Ream, they were very much locked
in for the championships, like they didn't necessarily need to
be there other than going for this POI title. I mean,
obviously if you like money too and you want to
win money, but you know you necessarily didn't need to
to go for this. Chino makes back to back to
back final tables like and then entering the final event
registration closes. All three of them are in right, so
Sover's basically playing defense. Foxen needs what we sorted out
as a fourth placer better independent of Soverroll getting any results,
and then Chino needed to win, but also like China
could win, but then fox and if Foxing finished third,
he could lock it up. So there was a lot
of moving parts at play for this specific race. Soilver
goes out, So now we just have Foxen and Ring
both know what needs to happen. Foxen knows he needs
to get fourth or if he gets third, for sure
he locks it up. Right, if he gets fourth and
then Chino wins the tournament, Chino could win POI. Chino
knows he has to win. So all this is playing out.
They both did they both make the final table? Or
where did Chino go out?
Speaker 2: Chino bust just short of the Fhonne table right eight?
Speaker 1: Was it eighth or was it ninth or eighth or
something like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he finished eighth bubble the final table.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was a bit bummed obviously. I mean,
I mean still a good results, still good series for
Chino Reim, did you have his series stats on hand?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had four cashes at three final tables obviously
and that Finnal table bubble three hundred and thirty five
points he picked up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so China know, you know, a pretty great season overall.
And I believe he led in terms of cashes and
titles or did fox And tie him in titles?
Speaker 2: Foxin ended up tying him. They both have five wins
for the season. Uh, and obviously there is still one
event to go. There is a tiebreaker for that wins. Yeah,
Chino crushed the crap the cashes, thirty five cashes. Next
best was several with thirty one, and then after that
we had two people on twenty eight, which was Nick
Schulman and John Reordan.
Speaker 1: How many of those cases do you know from Chino
came in the mixed game series because Fox and Fox
and will play polo. They'll both play po will obviously
both play in No Limit, but I don't think foxing plays.
Speaker 2: Yeah, China picked up three cashes during PGT Mixed Games
and obviously got a couple at the World Series. He
didn't have the best World series, only had four cashes,
while Fox and Sxson's World Series was very strong. Eight
cash is eleven hundred points.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so listen, it came down to the wire. Then
they get to the found taplesod Chino goes out in
eighth places we talked about. They get to the final
table of seven and this last event is you know,
I don't know, call it the freaking roaring twenties, twenty
minute levels, twenty second shot clocks, like it's just everything
is twenty twenty second time, banks, et cetera very fast event.
They get down to the final table and like, no
one's got chips they get When they got down to
the found table, there was like one hundred and four
big blinds in play total. Josh Aria had many of
those big blinds. He had I don't know what thirty
five percent of the chips and player or something like
that to start. Everyone else was pretty short. Foxon's basically
playing this like a satellite, knowing that he has to
get to fourth to get the poy. Everyone else knows that.
But then there's also the added dynamics of, you know,
josh Aria needs to win, and if he wins, he's
going to get a dream seat. If aram Aganian wins
the tournament, he's going to get into the top forty.
If Jonathan Little wins the tournament, he's going to get
a dream seat, you know. And then you have what
Chewie Brandon Wilson, and was that it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, boy, No, Chewey was already in so he
could already.
Speaker 1: But I unders saying that they had already kind of
locked up their positions and they're just playing a regular tournament.
Before that as well, you had Brandon Wilson, who he
wanted to cash in order to just really solidify his
position on the leaderboards. He wanted to cash because if
he cashed, he got a couple more points. He's like,
there's no shot that, like any craziness can happen for
me to lose one of these dream seats. But then
if he finished at least eighth, this is Brandon Wilson again,
then he would move into the top forty of the
season long leader board, which other players were rooting for,
because if he moves out of the dream Seat leader
board into the top forty, he makes an additional dream
seat available, most notably for Jeremy Becker, who was in
sixth place on the Dream Seat leader Award again five
dream seats awarded, Brandon was ahead of him. But if
Brandon then gets into the top forty, you know, all
this sort of shakes out. And like Brandon's like in
he's in multiple pots, all multiple all in situations like
before the before the final eight were happening, like it was,
it was crazy, and like, you know, Jeremy's messaging us
because he's he's playing down the street, I played at
Hollywood in the circuit event. He's like, hey, like what
are my chances? You know, like We're like, well, Brandon's
all in right now, like all this sort of stuff.
So it was it was pretty wild. There was one
hand in particular where so Jonathan Little he has to
win the tournament, but he can also finish second if
Brandon Wilson finishes in the top eight. If he were
to finish second, then he would have tied with Jeremy Becker,
but Brandon Wilson would have been out and moved into
the top forty. So but then there was a hand
where Brandon Wilson basically moved on and left like one
chip behind or one big blind behind or something. Jonathan
Little put him all in from the big blind with
a six off, which I thought was if you know that,
you can't bust Brandon Wilson, Like I thought that that
was just crazy to me. But also is that collusion
or is that just the dynamics of the situation.
Speaker 2: I mean, we could question some chip dumping, but uh.
Speaker 1: I mean, but I'm just saying, I'm just saying, just
fold your hand type of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it doesn't quite make sense. I think
maybe he actually had it wrong in his mind and
was actually just trying to bust him. So it took
a you know, slightly high variant spot than he may
normally have.
Speaker 1: That's my yeah, I think I would have just folded
my hand. You know. It's it's pretty it's very much
like a satellite in a lot of ways, you know,
because but he also needs Brandon Wilson to finish top
eight was part of the equation for him, So I
mean what whatever, I mean, It was just there was
a lot of just fun, little interesting dynamics to everything
that were going on, and like everyone was kind of
aware about it. So like, you know, especially when they
got down to that seven hind to final table, like
everyone knows fox And has to finish fourth, right, everyone
knows like josh Aria has to win, or Jonathan Little
has to win, or Aramaganiy has to win, you know,
so it's very just kind of interesting. Then there was
this crazy hand at the final table where josh Aria
has he had like one point five million and he
raised to one point one million. The big blind was
one hunter k so he puts out the large majority
of his chips behind him. Brandon Wilson goes all in
and has him cover slightly covered folds back to Aria
and Brandon Wilson. This is another situation by the way
of these players exposing cars, because Brandon Wilson immediately turns
his hand over, yeah, and he showed he shows aces,
which it's just freaking crazy. So Aria sees it. They're
sitting right next to each other. Aria sees it, and
he's like quickly folds his hand. He said he had
ace jack. So that's another crazy situation where if ari
A doesn't see his hand, he probably calls off the
rest of his chips right, and then he's likely out
of the tournament. The very next hand, Aria gets two
kings and doubles up like it's just it was just
wild how some of this stuff was playing. Anyway, it
goes on that Alex Foxen ends up getting into fourth
place or there's four players left, so he secures the
Player of the Year title, and then from there you
had a long battle to get down from four to one,
especially the heads up match that took place between Brandon
Wilson and Alex Foxen. It was back and forth, back
and forth, multiple lead changes, even though there was like
forty big blinds in play total, Like the these guys
were just battling back and forth, back and forth, you know,
whoever was all in just like could never lose. It
was it was crazy. Eventually though, Alex Foxen did the
damn thing. He came out on top. He won the
whole thing two hundred and thirty two thousand dollars to
thirty two point four. I think was was the final prize. So,
you know, he had already secured the PGT Player of
the Year title, but great good on him to be
able to cap it all off with a win. You know,
I thought Alex Foxon absolutely crushed this season. You know,
Sam's overall would have been deserving as well. You know,
of course based on the point system. I trust the
point system, you know, but but I you know, I
do have to say that I was I was looking
through Silverall's results in the past couple of days, and
I was like, where where did all these points come from?
Like what what happened? And a lot of it was
was ws AP related. Think he won the ten K
six max for example, Like that was a boatload of
points there. There was like a fIF a in there.
Speaker 2: He was just basically consistently kind of you know, getting points,
you know, final table here every series.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's always very consistent. Yeah, over like yeah,
every season. You know, he's he's like one of those
guys who's he's for sure always in the top ten,
if not always in the top five, like always.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he you know, he won a couple of smaller events,
but you know, like every you know, every win counts.
You know, a couple you had a runner out finish
in the PLO series, you know, several final tables. He
had the runner up in the hundred KPLO. You know,
he he won an nap AT event, runner up in
an NAPT event.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think well that specifically, just quickly
is that I think people because you know, it kind
of came about where people were like where did Sam
get all his points from? And people kind of forget
when like a lot of Sam's points came dissip he did.
He did very well during the napt Las Vegas series,
So it's like stuff that's not in the studio, people
just kind of like forget about. Whereas you're in the
studio all sees and long, you're seeing everything that's happening
in the studio, so you're you're a little bit more
you're closer to that happening so it's just more front
of mine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Alex Oxen is the twenty twenty five PGT
Player of the Year. As I did mention earlier, he
gets a fifty thousand dollars bonus. He's gonna enter the
PGT Championship with the most chips and funny, you know,
I kind of joked with him afterwards while he was
taking his winner photo for this event that he's had,
He's had very very close results to like series titles
and stuff like that before. The one that stuck out
to me the most was the PLO series where it
was him and Jesse Lonis coming down right to the wire.
Jesse Lonis is at the final table of the twenty
five K championship event of that series, but then they
had a five K turbo that was happening that Foxen
needed to win. So Foxin is in the in the
Foxin's in the main studio rooms. He gets to heads
up against I think it was Zach Schwartz, Yeah it was,
you know, yeah, and Jesse Lomnis, who is like, you know,
always in their blasting maximum pressure on everyone is playing
basically icm nitfest in the in the twenty five kids
trying to fall so he can get as many points
as possible to beat Fox. And so that that was
another fun race that you know, once involved Alex Foxen.
With this one he ultimately was able to come out
on top of.
Speaker 2: Real quick about Fox and just touching on his year,
he was the first player to reach one hundred PGT cases.
He has one hundred and eight right now, first player
to reach ten thousand PGT points, still leading that. He
has the most PGT final tables with seventy seven. He's
tied for second with Steven Chidwick for most wins with twelve,
behind several thirteen, and he leads PGT earnings with nineteen
point three million. So it's not just this year for Alex.
Obviously very consistent over the first you know, five seasons
of the PGT and you know that reward is now
being crowned the twenty twenty five PGT Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: Crusher, absolute freaking crusher, dream seats. Yeah, all right, who
won the five? Tell me who won the five?
Speaker 2: Well, it was good, it was a good fun race.
The big winner David Odie b Baker, two cashes, two
runner up finishers, tops the leaderboard gets that dream seat
in to the PGT Championship, took that final event off.
You know, he's sent me kind of asked me, like,
that's my goal, try and get enough points where I
can take that last event off. Watched some football, et cetera.
So he was in. Next up, Neil Warren won his
first PGT title. It was the tied for the biggest
field in the room. He's second and he was also
one off the top forty two. So if he had
cashed in one of those last two events, I think
he had to get about the twenty k cash, he
would have actually qualified for the top forty. That would
have free up another seat four. We'll talk to it
for someone else. Clement Dang he won the opening event.
He got in because he got another cash as well.
And then the penultimate event winner Chi Jun Chu or Justin.
I think he said he goes by. He won his
first PGT title. To be fourth and then fifth was
kind of where it all. You know, the sweat was coming.
We had Jeremy Becker in that spot, we had Phil
helm with, we had Land and Tyres, Jared Jaffe, all
these players playing that finale, you know, knowing what they
needed to do. And then obviously they had to sweat
some other results, but it ended up going to our boy,
Jeremy Becker one hundred and ninety three points. He want
a rounded up, so let's just say it's one ninety four.
And then yeah, that that person on deck that was
Phil Helm with and Land and Tice. So you know,
if Neil warrant to get that cash, we could have
seen Phil Helm within the PGT Championship, but not this year.
We'll have to wait until twenty twenty six hopefully. But yeah,
they're the dreams. He winners, ODB Baker, Neil Warren, Clement
and True and Jeremy Becka.
Speaker 1: I mean, just again another really really fun race, you know,
came down to the wire, you know, like Becker's in
our in our messages, NonStop, just trying to sweat all
the stuff that's happening.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm sure plenty of other people were sweating as well
who were close. I know, Jared Jaffey had had a
fairly decent run in that in that in that final
turbo there, he didn't cash. He did fall. I don't
think he cashed. He might have cashed, but either way
he fell shorts, you know, but he was definitely like
he's like, you know, I need to do this, I
need to like basically finish top whatever, and and yeah,
you know again another really fun sweat to it all.
And then of course you had the just the top
forty right where everyone's battling all season long to get
into the top forty. You know, Jeremy Osmas ragining PGT
Player of the Year, well not anymore, actually last last
season's PGT Player of the Year because now it is decided,
and and last year's PGT Championship winner, you know, Ozmus
also went on to win that event. He was outside
looking in coming into the series. He earned enough points.
The big one was a final table run that he
had in the middle of the series to get into
the top forty. But then he's someone who you know,
needed to sweat some stuff happening for players getting in.
You know, it wasn't in any way, shape or form
a guarantee, whereas somebody like let's say Patrick Leonard, who
started the season off really hot first half of the season,
was at some point he was at the top of
the leader board. Then he was you know, within the
top five to ten for a good majority leading into
the WSP he started to just kind of slide slide, slide,
slide slide. Next thing you know, he's outside the top
forty looking in. But Pads of course, won an event
during the PGT Last Chance which shot him up kind
of into the middle ish area of the top forty.
So he was like pretty much locked, right, I mean,
he was still playing until the end, but he was
very much locked in. Osmas was the opposite, you know,
he was he got in, but it was like, man,
I could still because he only got he only leapfrogged
the bottom two people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean when we started Last Chance, the top
forty was sorry, the last the last few names we
were we were Richard Greco, Ben Toleraene Sean Deeb, Michael Duek,
Jim Calapee, and Joseph Chenko. Nacho Barbero. Now Greco, Toleraine, Deep,
Duek and Barbara weren't coming, but they were obviously all
hoping to make the championship. So a lot of these
guys I was kind of texting to back and forth
on the outside.
Speaker 1: It have to be clear that they weren't coming for
PGT Last Chance, correct, correct, Yeah, they were going to
monitor and then get on a flight for the championship.
Speaker 2: And some had flights booked, you know, with you know,
ready to cancel if they needed to on the outside.
Looking in forty first, with all the like you know rules,
we had David Common, forty second, Jeremy Osmas, forty fourth,
Patrick Leonard, you know, forty six was TJ. Reid, and
forty seventh Sam last Wuiz. I say those names because
they played pretty much every event. Now, David Coleman had
a great series and leapt into the top forty and
moved all the way up to about twentieth place. Jeremy
Osmas he got his cash. He missed the ladder against
David Coleman, but he was in. But then as things
started moving, you know, he was dropping down and down
and down. He did get another cash, so that kind
of gave him a little bit of a buffer. And
then obviously Pads he won event too. He leapt in.
Fortunately for TJ. Reid he couldn't get that third cash
and that likely that third cash would have qualified him.
And then for Sam Lasko it's not a great series either.
He couldn't sneak in. So yeah, that lower end of
the forty was just everyone was monitoring it. I had
texts from you know, Richard Greco and Sean Deev every day,
talking to Michael Duek, talking to Ben Toleraine and then
even Callopy if you remember from I think it was
last year he was the bubble boy. Uh he got
pushed out of.
Speaker 1: Two seasons ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two seasons ago.
Speaker 1: He was sitting at the bar just just like every
like five to ten minutes he would walk into the
studio room. I'm pretty sure he was drinking a marguerite
or something kind of ease his nerves, and he was
like sweating. You know what was what was happening because
there was a couple of people in that if they
they cashed in that final event would bump him out.
And that's what he was sweating last year with Jeremy Becker.
How can you forget that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so calop he got himself in. Uh
and look he so he was in, but he wasn't
locked in, right, He wasn't like David Coleman. So he
was still sweating some results come that final event. You know,
you would have seen yesterday he was sitting at the bar,
but he was a bit happier because it was you know,
he was a pretty strong likelihood, you know, to get in.
He needed like an exact trifecta of results to get
him knocked out. But yeah, he ends up finishing in
thirty eighth place, Jeremy Osmas thirty ninth, and Ben toleraen forty.
So I mean, Sean Deeb is this year is bubble
Boy by one point as well? So he's like, is there?
He texted me today, is there any Have you heard
of anyone else opting out? And I said, to be honest,
the only three names I could think of that May
Night show would be Michael Mizrahi, Ben Lamb and Eric Wasserson.
And he goes, how I doubt it? And I go,
I mean, I've texted Mirahi, but he could easily be
playing a slot tournament in Cuba or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, I know he's in Vegas today.
Speaker 2: I did see that. Yeah, he's playing a cash game
in Vegas and I so that does help. Deeb did
text Wasserson and Lamb. They said they're playing, So he said,
probably going to just cancel my flight. I'll see you
at the World Series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is one of the one of the requirements.
So you had to obviously get enough points to finish
in the top forty. That was a requirement number one.
Number two, you had to have at least three PGT cashes, right,
Tim and I have talked about this at many points
on this podcast during the season. You know, as you know,
miss Rocky was one of those people who needed to
find a third cash. He was able to find that
during the PGT qualifying events at that basically Paradise. But
then then the third part of this equation was because
we ultimately want forty players from the leaderboard in ideally
it would be the top forty, right, but there are
some players who in excuse me, in past seasons didn't show, right,
They just didn't show Which makes it a little bit
awkward because you know, you're trying to create this event
that hopefully everyone wants to to play for and try
and get in and all that sort of stuff. Okay,
but then if they don't show up, it's like, well,
do they not like our events? Do they not care
for it? Like whatever. So let's say you have forty
four people on show up, then you have thirty six.
It's like, well, that's kind of weird. On the other
side of things, you know, we want to put on
an event that everyone wants to play. Everyone you know
wants to get in, and we really want to show
that high stakes competition aspect of it all. So Tim
instituted this new rule that where you basically had to
opt in with him as the commissioner. You had to
tell him listen, I'm gonna play. So you know, he
got a hold of everyone under the sun, and some
players said, you know, no, I'm not gonna come. And
if that's the case, if you told us ahead of
time that you weren't planning to come at all, you know,
it's okay for you to basically pass up on my seat.
So there was a hand how many of those players
were there.
Speaker 2: They ended up being three people opting out Victor blam
Lettara Guerrera and Texas Mike. Okay, So those seats rolled down,
and then you had the players that were ineligible that
didn't that were in the forty but didn't have you know,
enough cashers to get them.
Speaker 1: So anyone there was no one this year that needed
a third cast during Last Chance, right.
Speaker 2: Uh from the in the forty No, just outside, like
I kind of mentioned Terrence Reid was you know, a
decent cash outside the top because.
Speaker 1: Last season we had what Tomayo, Jonathan Tomyo.
Speaker 2: Jonathan Tomyo was the big one, firing pretty hard to
get that last one. And then I think we had someone.
Speaker 1: Was it was it? Brian Kim was one of them?
Was he last year?
Speaker 2: Is the Yeah? I think that, Yeah, it was a
Brian Kim.
Speaker 1: Brian Kim is another one. He got it. He I remember,
got one mini cash right right away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got one min cash to get his third
cash to be twentyeth on the leaderboard. Yeah, so those
two guys a bit more expensive for Jonathan Tomyo, but
you know he did win the main event for ten millions,
so he's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's okay. So yeah, you know, so we're gonna
have have all forty of these players, you know, at
least for what they've told us, told Tim, you know,
they should be there. You know, no one should be
not showing up. So obviously you know we'll see. But yeah,
so you know it's an event where I think it's
I mean, everyone wants to be there, Everyone wants to
compete in this thing.
Speaker 2: They want to I want to just say, yeah, I
played the free Lassia. You know, there's a little bit
on it because like obviously there's only topics a price,
there's only six payouts, so it isn't it's not like
an easy tournament to win. It's not like there's everyone's
getting paid out, so it's so hard to make money.
But I think you know you hear from these guys. Yeah,
I just want to qualify. I just want to be.
I just want to be part of it. I want
to get the play a bag. I want to get
some cool stuff. I want to be I want to
feel like this is a cool way to, you know,
conclude this season. You know all the hard work I put.
Speaker 1: In, yeah, for sure, and you see the same thing.
But on the opposite side, people that just missed, you
know that they they want to get in. You know,
there's a bunch of people that put in a lot
of volume this season that did not ultimately get in.
I mean, I know, Jeremy Becker won a dream seat,
but we wouldn't have heard the end of it from
him had had he not gotten in. You know, given
he was, he was in the studio for every single
freaking Nolan Holden tournament, right carry Katz did not qualify
this year. You know, he finished what one hundred points
out or maybe even less, but you know he was
like constantly talking about it and how he wanted to
get in there, trying to make that push to the end.
So you know, and you see it in that. You know,
in the events during the PGT Last Chance Series, everyone
is out there trying to chase. You know, you had
you had Eric's headel was out there blasting. You had
Seth Davies, you had Shannon Shore, you had Brent Kenny
as well. You know all these players Aramaganyan, you know,
et cetera. Like they were all out there really trying
to get some more points to get into that top forty.
So you know, there is a bit of pride with it.
You know, you kind of want to see. Listen, I
put in all this time and effort over the course
of the twenty twenty five PGT season. I played, how
over many dozens of events, you know, however, many hundreds
of thousands of dollars in buy ins. So even if
ultimately my effort in the PGT Championship, should I make it,
you know, ends up not resulting in a cash. If
I bust out before the top six and make any money,
like still just making it there is like listen, all
this wasn't all or not? Like you know, like so
that's what I think a lot of these people are
are trying to chase, and that's ultimately what we want
to create. You know, this is you know, we're kind
of trying to create like I guess pokers version of
the FedEx Cup if you want to take us a
sports analogy here, or you know, any sort of like playoffs,
like you know, I'm watching the Bills Jaguars game right now,
so you know, any sort of playoffs, like you want
to just kind of get to the dance and then
you know, whatever happens in the big dance like can happen, right,
you know, we can see somebody come from the bottom
and go on to win the thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Alex Foxen does start with an advantage, you know,
but yeah, Alex Foxen's advantage is kind of similar to
if you get the one seed in the NFL playoffs
and you get a little bit of a buye. He
gets a little bit of an advantage to start. So yeah,
it's a it's good stuff. You know, I like it,
you know, I do. Part of me also wishes though
that I wish and this is, I guess, you know,
something that I'm trying to solve just given my role
as like how do we make it kind of catch
on more? Just because it's it's it is the closest
thing to like a sports league that poker has. I mean,
I like, I'm never gonna be one that says, you know,
poker is a sport. I don't believe that. But you know,
if if this, if there was anything in poker that
was as close to some sort of like sports league
as possible, I do really believe that the PGT is
it just the whole season long aspect you have, you know,
all the different elements to it, the points, leader board,
et cetera. Like it's you know, it's got basically it's
regular season. It's got its play offs, it's got the champion,
all that sort of stuff. So you know, yeah, I
hope it, uh, I hope it continues to just kind
of build and catch on.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. I agree.
Speaker 1: So Fox is gonna start with the lead three hundred
and fifty thousand, what's that? Three hundred fifty big blinds yep,
and the lowest stack is going to be who it's
gonna be from from the top forty.
Speaker 2: From the top forty, it's one hundred and thirty big blinds.
Speaker 1: And then and who's that Benal that's been tal that
has been tolerant okay, Brandon Wilson, Oh, Eric Blair made
it okay, Thomas Boyven, Mike Zulker. I'm just kind of
looking to the names there were, like who didn't we
see in the top forty during the PGT Last Chance?
Speaker 2: Adam Hendricks, Yeah, Adam Hendrix, michaelm israhe uh, we didn't
say Eric Wassingston, Sean Rafael, Chad Age Sledge. But a
couple of these guys, you know, John Wallslink, Isaac Hackson
Ao said we're just coming for you know, the free role.
They would pretty say. Phil Sternheimer rocked up for the
last event, was crushing that then didn't go his way.
Speaker 1: You know when let you go ninth maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ninth or tenth, yeah, win Lee, Dylan Lindy and
Bryce Yocky showed up on that last event, didn't play,
but Ben Lamb didn't play. Ben Lamb. We saw a
little bit of Eric Blair, not a whole lot, but Yeah,
it's really it's a great series for kind of anyone,
you know, if you want to improve your position, or
if you need to sneak in, or if you're way
up top and need to try and want to try
and win that Player of the Year title. So there's
a lot of there's a lot of pros for this series.
And if you look at you know, I was looking
at the numbers just before of the series. You know,
we had two one hundred and twenty six entry player
fields not play two hundred and twenty six entrants, which
was the second largest of all time in ten K
buy ins. Now, last year's series very flat, you know,
we basically averaged one hundred and sixteen, but the highest
we had was one twenty one. Lowest we had was
one to eleven. This year we were you know, one
O nine, one twenty six, one twenty six, one seventy
and bouncing around a little bit. And then we obviously
did something different, which was that one day Turbo, which
I think got eighty three. But I think eighty three
for a Turbo was pretty good a single day turbo,
especially with you know, we also had the WSP circuit
going on, which did steal a few of our players.
So you know, having that on in town and still
putting out basically averaging one hundred and eleven entrants in
all our events was was very good. Once you're even
throw in that whole new tax low that's coming, So
I think the series will always have a place in
the PGT with all that added value. Yeah, I'm just
a big fan of PGT Last Chance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I agree with you. I you know,
very happy with the numbers themselves as I was tracking
them going going along, you know, I was also very
happy when I saw someone like a Nick Schulman, Jausamou,
Jesse Lonis, you know, Steven Chidwick, Christen Fox, and like
those players who were one locked into the top forty.
You know, those players are all in the in the
top ten, but they were still out there blasting every
single day in every single tournament. So you know, yeah,
part of that is going to be like, well, what
else are these guys are going to do? Their poker
players and this is what they do, right, I mean
you know, but also as you mentioned, you know, there
was there's been plenty of players who kind of told
us maybe they'll scale back on their buy ins. And
volume doe to the new tax thing at least maybe
until that kind of gets a little bit more sorted out.
So there was that, and then you know they also
like they didn't really need to play.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, they had nothing.
Speaker 1: Out there, and like blast Off in all the tournaments,
like he's just you know, but you know, part of
it is maybe they again, they just want to play
because that's what they do. The other part is, like
I think it's like I think with Phil Sternheimer. You know,
he could have come in on Sunday, but he came in.
He got one event in you know, kind of like
a little warm up, right, you know, you kind of
want to dust the rust off if he took some
time off for the holidays, you know, and you know,
get in there battle with a lot of the people
that you're going to be playing with, you know, come
the championship anyway, so you know that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: He's also secretly here for a nice high stakes mixed game.
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't really a secret in the room.
He was telling everyone about about this mixed game that
he's got going on. All right, So we talked about
the top forty, We talked about the five players who
won dream seats from the PGT Last Chance Series. But
we also have additional dream See winners. Why don't you
let me know who those players are?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he ran a variety of promotions you know,
and partner promotions throughout the year. First one we did,
you know, in a BT Las Vegas. We ran a
leaderboard there. Nick Changela, obviously PGT regular most years, hasn't
been playing a lot recently on the PGT, but he
won that lead aboard. So he'll be starting with one
hundred and twenty five big blinds. The next eight dream
See winners all qualified to start with one hundred bigs.
We're gonna start with Run Good Poker series they ran
the last three years. They've ran a basically promotion with us,
you know, promoting the PGT, promoting Poker Go and then
they run a season ending dream Seed Invitational where everyone
that's won a ring gets to know participator, you know,
for a price well, but then also to represent Run
Good in this that was won by Ed Miller, not
the author Ed Miller for those if you remember that name.
Similar to Run Good, Champions Club did something very similar.
They very much mimicked what we do on the PGT
they ran Basically, they did a season ending championship and
every quarter they qualified eight players, and then the eight
players who didn't qualify via that quarter will filled the
final eight spots. So very kind of similar to my
ours with a big of a twist. The winner of
that was a David Shaw. He was the third place
finisher in the Texas Pelo Roundup for one hundred K,
his career largest score. So he's going to represent Champions Club.
And then we did a.
Speaker 1: He also won an event before he finished third.
Speaker 2: Correct, he won one of the I think it was
the maybe the plow Monster Stack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean, listen, this guy's got some chops,
Like he's.
Speaker 2: Nice guy's yeah, yeah, he's here's a table to WSP
event this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, if David shows somehow wins this tournament, I
will not be in the in the least bit surprised.
You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, him and him and Ed Miller qualified via like
a year long you know, poker promotion. So these aren't
just kind of the random selections. These guys kind of blood,
sweat and tears to win nast seat.
Speaker 1: And let me just say one thing quickly, and maybe
Tim will just yell at me for saying this afterwards,
but I'm gonna say it anyway. If you're an operator
or a pokerom manager or whatever out there and you
want a similar promotion with a dream seat to work
with us, reach out to Tim. You know, nothing guaranteed,
but maybe we can do a similar thing with your
venue or your tour or whatever. Right like this helps
on our side. You know, we can get kind of
new people into the big stage, into the big dance,
like you know that way on your side, maybe it
can be a little bit of a revenue drivers as
hopefully you know champions saw So reach out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, we're trying to get something
back in a way. The pgt to to give you
that as the stream seats, so we're always open to
listening and having conversations. The next three annual subscribe its
pretty self expanentory. You're signed up to Poker Guy, you're
watching out content, you're watching WSP all that stuff. You're
randomly entered into a draw. We drew three winners there,
Travis Hogg, David Friedler, and Timothy Tuvousen, so they'll be
representing the annual subscribers. And then we did a social
media promotion via Gleam basically you know, retweet this, like this,
follow that, and then that was also basically a random
drawing and Daniel Van Dyke is going to represent you know,
the social media side of Poker Go. And then you know,
you listeners at home, we ran a pretty you know,
if you've been a longtime listener, you've you would have
heard our promotion for the Pogo podcast dream Seat and
we did mention this a little while back, but Matthew
Petrie he will be win representing the Pogo podcast family.
So you know, I'm not I can't really cheer for
anyone in this, but like I think, if we're going
to cheer for anyone, we should cheer for the podcast listener.
And then final dream Set went to Aaron Cooper from
WSB Paradise. That was a you know, with the partnership,
they're a thrown in seat to one of their events
and he ended up winning that one. So he'll be
the last dream See winners. So fourteen dream Sea winners,
forty players, we got fifty four people trying to win
that five hundred thousand dollars first prize on Monday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, this is going to be a
super fun event. I'm not rooting for anyone. I just
want to see good entertainment, so you know, final table, like,
you know, I don't really care, Like I mean, yeah,
obviously some of these players you know, we're closer with
than others or whatever, but ultimately, like I think it's
just going to be a super fun event, highly competitive.
I think this year kind of the biggest win heading
into the event versus past seasons, which is something I
kind of already touched on, is that everyone there it
wants to be there, you know, which I think is
already going to raise the bar a little bit for
like the competition and the entertainment aspect coming in. You know,
because I listen, I did feel a little bit bummed
when phil Ivy qualified the top forty and didn't bother
to show up, Like like you feel a little bit
bummed because you're, like, man, I put on this party,
no one wants to come drink the punch, Like what
the fuck? Like you know, so you know, but this one,
you know, as we talked about, all these people want
to be there. So I think that alone means that
this event means something to those players, and I think
that's going to then translate through to the level of competition,
the battling on the felt, you know, all that sort
of stuff. So it's gonna be really cool. The top
six are going to pay out. I did hear a
little bit of chatter from some people around the studio saying, Oh,
it's really really top heavy. It's really really top heavy.
I mean yes, I mean like purposefully so, I mean
this this event was once in a prior edition Winner
take All when Jason Koon won it, remember that one.
So you know, it is in a lot of ways
it is a made for TV event. I mean it's not,
but it has those elements into it, which you know
when you kind of cram a lot more money up
first prize and you make it a little bit you know,
uneven or you know, not as a steady for the payouts.
You know, yeah, it's it's a little bit made for TV.
But you know, if we were to do like, let's say,
regular payouts for a fifty four person tournament, you know,
are you gonna get like three hundred and thirty dollars
thirty thousand dollars for first place? And then like it
kind of goes. No, we want to boom big first
place prize, five hundred k, let's.
Speaker 2: End, and alest you gotta remember it's a free roll,
so if these guys are putting up their money, yeah,
it would be a normal payass structure. But yeah, we
make it a little top heavy. And look, we know
what's gonna happen, Like two or three people are gonna
get heads up three handed, and hey, let's look at money.
You know how tournaments are, so you know that may happen,
and we'll deal with that as we have to. But yeah,
it is top heavy. And look, obviously there's been some
some discussion about hey, flat lining this. We've had discussion
of hey make this a full reak back to one,
the more everyone gets a payout. So we've we've looked
at several different options, and you know, when next year
season comes, we'll look at it again and see if
we want to change it. But I think, oh, this
is the best. Think it's I think it's a good version.
The chips are good. I think we've you know, nailed
how we do it. I think our promotions definitely makes sense,
although some of the players may not understand, but you know, internally,
it makes sense for us. And look at you know,
I guess we'll quickly talk about the seatrow. It's it's
a random seatual for all the players, just like normal,
except for the the eight rung, the eight dream See
winners with one hundred big blinds, the ones that kind
of won, you know, their seat. That one of those
will be on each table. So there's not going to
be any really unfair tables. It's it's we try and
keep that side of things balanced. But you know, look,
Alex Fox and Sam several could draw the same table.
You know, Alex Fuxon could draw a table with all
those dream Sea winners that had one hundred and twenty
five big So that side of it's still going to
be pretty random. Once we kick things off on Monday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like this event. I'm very much looking
forward to it. Place starts on Monday at one pm
Vegas time. There will be live streaming on pokergot dot
com taking place a little bit later in the day.
We'll basically catch the entire back half of Day one
leading down to the final table, and then on Tuesday,
the entire final table will be live streamed on poker
Go so be sure to tune in to all of
that action. It's going to be a lot of fun.
We got Jeff Platt and Brent Hanks on the call
from start to finish. Yeah, Alex Fox and Michael Is Rocky,
Nick Shulman, Daniel mcgron, new Kristen Foxen. You know, all
the big guns from the PGT are in the field
for this one. So tune in early and watch the
whole damn thing. I know I will be. So you
want to do some fantasy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think I've touched on it last week.
We should draft per like section of the the.
Speaker 1: Forty buddy, tell me what I gotta do.
Speaker 2: You choose someone in the top ten, someone from eleven
to twenty, someone from twenty one to thirty, someone from
thirty one to forty, and then one of the dream
seg wins. You're gonn choose a team of five.
Speaker 1: I mean, I let you, let me tell you.
Speaker 2: Let you pick first.
Speaker 1: And I had I had a really good series. Yeah,
I had Becker ODB.
Speaker 2: Oh you had ODB. I you remember, Oh, yeah, you
had a good series.
Speaker 1: I mean so yeah, I mean you had Alex foxon No,
I don't know. I haven't run the numbers yet, so
let's just draft. Uh brand new? What what did you say?
Speaker 2: We're doing top Oneick click on the are you and
the p G five doc Click the tab This is
PGT Championship. You'll see him kind of tat it up documents.
Speaker 1: We got a whole bunch of stuff PGT Championship. I
am in there, baby, all right.
Speaker 2: So now draft from that quaded draft from the top ten,
then the next ten, the next ten, next ten, and
then the dream State winners.
Speaker 1: How many people are we drafting?
Speaker 2: Five?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Cool?
Speaker 1: Who goes first?
Speaker 2: You? Of course you're getting crushed.
Speaker 1: I mean, buddy, Alex Fox, that's.
Speaker 2: Fine, give me China, you get well, you get two. No,
I'm gonna let you pick first. Each section?
Speaker 1: Oh each section? Yeah, each section is really handicapping me.
Y yeah, okay, next section.
Speaker 2: I mean take him. I don't want him, you can
have him.
Speaker 1: Obvious one.
Speaker 2: David cole I swore you were going to take the grounder,
and then I was gonna take David Coleman.
Speaker 1: I take the hot hand, one of the best players
in the world versus one. I was literally on the
golf course every single day.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm texting him tonight.
Speaker 1: Know what a button opening range is? Or is he
more worried about his nine iron?
Speaker 2: But he's no man, he's texting me today. He's like,
what time tomorrow? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What time tomorrow is? I can make sure I'm off
the golf course.
Speaker 2: I will continue the message. What time has a start tomorrow?
And do you have to be on time? So he
may be like.
Speaker 1: On time, but you're gonna lose.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I thought I was gonna get
in there. I guess I'll take him.
Speaker 1: In that section, Coleman is the lowest chance I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's twenty. Yeah, I'll take I'll take Dnggs.
All right, next section is fun one. I know who
I want right now? See if you take him?
Speaker 1: Wow, this is a This is a good section. Yeah.
If if there was anyone who wasn't going to show up,
it's from this section. There's like two names that I
mean I would question. But all right, I'm gonna go
Thomas Boyn.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'll take Matt Wantman.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a good one. I was I was debating
between Thomas Boyn and Pads. Yeah, but I went there
all right next section. I mean, you know what I
think you take. I'm going with the story. Wow, Okay,
who who is that? I'm assuming it's either Osma's or Current.
If you're going with the story, it's awesome. Won it
last year. Last year's POY has been basically outside the
top forty looking in for the large majority of the season,
gets in at the end. Now, just run it up
and win it, buddy, let's go. I have to take
the hot hands, the whole damn thing. Jeremy.
Speaker 2: I gotta take Brandon Wilson.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a good one. I mean he's he's I mean,
he's obviously one of the best, and he's he's in
form right now, all right, dream seen.
Speaker 2: Just a lot of a good way we should have
done this. We should have started like done like a
fantasy football draft where you get like a thousand dollars
in auctions and you buy you build your team via chips.
Yeah yeah, that could be in a fun way. But
this way's fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm taking Jeremy Becker like he's.
Speaker 2: I mean, odib's two runner up finishes.
Speaker 1: It's hard to like dB is in form.
Speaker 2: Man, you got Nick Petangelo there that's pretty good value.
Nick Petangelo of this list, Sure, where are you taking?
I'll take give me Nikky p give me Nikky Pei.
Probably spent the week right and mountain biking, you know,
Mount Charleston in the snow. Probably ready to go. Actually,
I just saw a text via someone else that he
was heading down to Aria to play that ran twenty
five K. So he's you know, dust the rustuff there And.
Speaker 1: Who is why you can't name this person?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not gonna say who that person? Texas then
TEXTA mean, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1: But Alex Fox and David Coleman, Thomas boy Fend, Jeremy
Osmas and Jeremy Becker. That is my team.
Speaker 2: Good team, Good team.
Speaker 1: Tim has China, Reim Dan and Gran You, Matthew Wantman,
Brandon Wilson and Nick Petrangelo. This is all the marbles, baby,
all the fantasy poker freaking marbles.
Speaker 2: We're gonna get a belt. We should get a belt made.
Speaker 1: We should, we definitely should. I do want to start
a fantasy poker league at some point, like a season
long league. Yeah, maybe I'll do that in my spare time.
All right, cool? Anything else we needed to talk about,
hit on whatever.
Speaker 2: No. PGT Championship season ends on Monday. Tune in watch it, buddy,
It's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: It ends on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Yes, in Monday.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll be back probably Tuesday or Wednesday. I
want to get the winner of the event on here,
so we'll try and do that.
Speaker 2: Did you speak to Fox and last night?
Speaker 1: Uh? No, I did, but you know he he won
Player of the Year. I mean I talked with him.
I didn't just get him on the show, you know.
I told him. We'll probably do some sort of ceremony
and whatever during the day one of the PGT Championships. So,
you know, can we get a Fox and Fox and
heads up match?
Speaker 2: Could?
Speaker 1: Could that?
Speaker 2: That would be fun?
Speaker 1: That would be funny, right, all right? Cool, that's gonna
do it for us? Uh for Tim Duckworth. My name
is Donnie Peters, and we will talk to you guys
in a few days, so you