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your support. So the Robed Resistance, the Robed Resistance. I

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was happy to see Politico actually acknowledged that this is

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a real thing, that this is occurring. Not that I

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needed Politico to affirm my observation, but considering what we

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heard at the White House Correspondence Association gala the other

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night about how media needs to admit if they've made mistakes,

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and they gave an award to Alex Thompson because he

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alone was the only reporter who could determine that Joe

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Biden maybe slipping a little bit, and he did the

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story before anybody else months after the election and the coup.

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But I just feel like it's good to acknowledge when

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somebody in a legacy or mainstream media outlet like this

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that covers the White House, covers politics, that they that

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they recognize the thing that is obvious to us all.

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It's good, right. It's a shared it's a shared sense

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of what is occurring. Right, A lot of people lament

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Back in the olden times when we only had three

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TV stations, everybody had a shared sense of what is

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true and what is not. Because the media acts as gatekeepers.

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It is by definition a gatekeeping kind of operation industry.

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And I'm not saying that as a slur. I am

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a gatekeeper as well. You are too. On your social media.

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You don't retweet and repost every single thing. Okay, well

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some of you do. I know who you are. But

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some people just regurgitate everything, but not everything, right. They

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don't post things that they don't agree with usually, So

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everybody is acting as sort of an aggregator and a gatekeeper,

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and the media has done this since its inception. That's

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the core function is to look at the universe of

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stories that are out there and then to aggregate down

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the things that are most important that you're going to

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now devote your time and energy to reporting on. But

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the downside of that, obviously is that yes, you may

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have a shared sense of what is true and real

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and what's happen in the world, but the gatekeeping function

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restricts other stories that might actually be as important or

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more important than the stories that the gatekeepers have allowed

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to pass through. So again, kudos to Politico for writing

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one of the most powerful wings of the Trump resistance

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may be at risk of losing a crucial tool. What

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is this nationwide injunctions aka lawfare? Democrats lefty groups suing

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in front of allied judges and getting temporary restraining orders

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or injunctions against Donald Trump's executive orders or actions, and

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it blocks Trump from implementing his agenda because they can

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block him at the legislature. You know, they lost the

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White House, and so this is the only thing that

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they can do to gum up the works and run

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out the clock. And that is the point here, right,

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It's to drag everything out so long that Trump's tenure

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ends before he is able to implement lasting change. They

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ask the question, what is the extent of lower court

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judges power to block a president's policies nationwide? That's the

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core question that the US Supreme Court now has agreed

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to hear arguments on next month. If the High Court

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grants the Trump administration's request to limit or lift three

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nationwide injunctions blocking his bid to end birthright citizenship, it

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could cripple the ability of President Donald Trump's opponents to

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seek and judge's ability to grant these blocks entirely. Right.

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It's it's getting worse right this, These abuses are getting

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worse and more voluminous, partly because Donald Trump has been

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doing a lot of stuff. Right. When you're cranking out

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executive orders at a clip like we're seeing, then you're

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going to get a commensurate amount of lawsuits that are

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going to be venue shopped to judges that agree with

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the Democrats the plaintiffs, and then you're going to end

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up with more and more and more of these injunctions.

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And I think you know, part of the problem in

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kind of going over this topic is that sometimes it

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is appropriate, sometimes you should be able to do this,

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but sometimes you shouldn't, and so you got to differentiate

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on a case by case basis. It is sort of

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a Cloward Piven effect, right. The old what sociologists who

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came up with this plan back in the sixties, the

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idea being to overwhelm the entire system with applicants for

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all sorts of government assistants and payments, and the idea

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is to strain, if not bankrupt, the system in order

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to force a collectivist shift among the elites to allow for,

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among other things, a guaranteed income for people to not

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even work. Just everybody gets a guaranteed income. That was

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one of the end goals. Politico says. Federal judges across

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the country have already applied the remedy to halt key

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parts of the president's agenda in lawsuits challenging anti diversity initiatives,

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cuts to federal medical research, the pause on refuge admissions,

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and a freeze on nearly all federal grants spending. Such

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limits on the executive branch, according to the Trump administration,

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prevent the government from functioning properly. And they are correct

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about that, right. An administration that comes in and says,

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you know, we're promising to do X, Y and Z

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when we're in charge of the administration or the executive branch,

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and is then blocked from doing those things. Yes, right,

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you are preventing the government from functioning properly. President Joe

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Biden's Department of Justice also asked the Supreme Court to

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limit lower courts nationwide injunction powers because once again, remember

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the other team gets an at bet, they get to

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play too. And the Biden administration tried to stop states

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from blocking actions by the federal government that these Republican

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led states opposed. So you know, three years ago, this

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was the argument being made by the Biden administration. The

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justices at the time did not take up that request.

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Conservative members of the Court have been public though, about

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their desire to restrain the broad applications of nationwide injunctions, right,

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because some of these lawyers with the wardrobe change, these

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lefty lawyers that win judge ships or get appointed to

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the bench, they are abusing their powers. That's why it's

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create a video dot com so Politico. Kudos to Politico

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for recognizing that the lawfare is one of the most

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powerful wings of the Trump resistance, and they may be

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losing a crucial tool, the ability to go in front

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of a single judge that hates Donald Trump, who then

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issues an injunction to prevent Trump from doing stuff. Now

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the Supreme Court has agreed to take the sub they

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could declare that trial judges can enter injunctions that apply

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only in the geographic districts where they are appointed. So

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if you take your case to Charlotte and you win,

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it would only affect whatever jurisdiction Charlotte covers. That's it.

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Or the Supreme Court might restrict trial judges from issuing

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remedies that go beyond the specific litigans in a particular case.

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So if I were to bring a challenge a complaint

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and I win, the Supreme Court could say, well, it

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only applies to me. You can't create an entire class

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of plaintiffs that haven't been designated as an official class,

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and that takes time. Think like class action lawsuits. You know,

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you got to put out all the postcards, you got

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to send them all out, you got to get people

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to sign up, and then you got to kind of

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vet everybody, and then if you're successful, you get like,

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you know, a dollar eighty two in some settlement. Right

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three members of the High Court's right flank have already

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made clear they would all but eliminate lower Court's power

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to issue nationwide injunctions. Those justices would be Clarence Thomas,

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Samuel Alito, and Neil Gorsich. Because last year they wrote

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an opinion. Gorsets wrote an opinion. The other two signed

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on warning that injunctions and other relief should be limited

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to the named plaintiffs in a case, rather than applying

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across the country. Gorsetch wrote, quote, retiring the universal injunction

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may not be the answer to everything that ails us,

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but it will lead federal courts to become a little

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truer to the historic limits of their office. Okay, so

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what is he saying there? He's saying that these lower

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court Democrat judges have abused their authority. They have usurped

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the norms. Right, This power traditionally was very very limited.

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The use of it was very limited. But in recent

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years it has grown more and more prolific, more and

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more sweeping, right covering the entire country. I mean, heck,

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you got that guy Boseburg on the bench up in

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what DC or New York. He's like, now broken the

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boundaries of America. He's demanding El Salvador do stuff. Justice

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Brett Kavanaugh also has indicated that the Court should review

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the appropriateness of nationwide injunctions, but that that doesn't give

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us any indication as to which way he may go

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on this right, And I don't put a whole lot

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of stock in predictions on how justices are going to

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rule on various things. People make all sorts of speculations.

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Your court watchers say that it looked like this was

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going to happen. You don't know that, Okay. The wild

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cards are John Roberts, Amy, Cony, Barrett, because they have

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not offered clear signs yet of what their views on

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this subject are. So if you were to get rid

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of nationwide injunctions, there could be real costs. According to

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Rick Hassen, a prominent election law expert at UCLA's Law School,

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a fave of the left, he described a scenario in

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which Trump's efforts to end automatic birthright citizenship is upheld

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in one circuit court but not in another, leaving people

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in one region of the country who are going to

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face consequences during that period, sometimes consequences that might not

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be undone. Right, So, yeah, you live in California and

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you're an illegal alien and you have a child, and

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now that child is a citizen. But you live in

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in Arkansas and same thing, but now that kit is

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not a citizen.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: It's going to create problems because you'll have all of

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these different circuits with different ideas and different rulings. And

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so the application of those laws then are different for

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those people in those jurisdictions. Abolishing these national injunctions would

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mean a tougher fight for the many groups suing the administration,

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if only because it will add to the constant legal

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uncertainty and chaos that sometimes enables Trump's policies.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's another reason that makes it more difficult for

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these groups is that they actually have to go and

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litigate in front of multiple different judges across the country.

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It limits their ability to venue shop, forum shop, judge shop. Right.

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They now have to make these arguments to a wide

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array of judges in different areas of the country with

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different judicial philosophies, and you may get different results. See.

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That's why it would be difficult for these groups during

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the time it takes for cases to percolate all the

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way up to this US Supreme Court, the administration would

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have authority to continue policies and practices that some courts

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have already temporarily put on hold. Hassen said quote. Part

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of the problem is that Trump is doing so many

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things that are extraordinary that lead to litigation that have

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to be resolved on an emergency basis. See it's Trump's fault.

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It's Trump's fault that we have to sue him for

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trying to follow immigration law or something. And that's how

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you end up also with these crazy judges like the

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one that got herself arrested up in Minnesota, I believe,

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with Will Chamberlain. He is the senior council at the

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Article three project.

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Speaker 2: Will.

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Speaker 1: How are you, sir?

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Speaker 2: Good? Great to be with you, Pete, Yes, sir, thanks.

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Speaker 1: For making time for me. I appreciate it today. So

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I went over a little bit political had a recent

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article going over how the US Supreme Court is going

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to look at these nationwide injunctions. But it's part of

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this case over birthright citizenship, and so I guess the

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first question I've got is is this even something that

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the Supreme Court can actually rain in? Because it feels

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like these lower court judges are abusing their powers, and

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I don't know how the Supreme Court would actually get

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at that to codify it.

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Speaker 2: I mean if they you know, the Supreme Court has

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a lot of discretion at least with regard to you know,

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the essentially the procedures of the courts below them, certainly,

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and you know what authority they have to issue injunctions,

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I mean equity, which is where all this comes from,

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and is really a judge made concept. It's judge made law.

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So on the I mean, obviously Congress could put a

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stop to it, to it too, and you know, impose

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restrictions on the lower courts. That's within their authority. But

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I think the Supreme Court could do the same thing.

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Speaker 1: So how would that look If you've got different district

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courts issuing different rulings, you could have like a patchwork

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of the application of the law throughout the country.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but that's already the case. I mean, that's

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actually the way the law works now in a lot

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of different instances. Right. There's a lot of cases where

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you have disagree with each other on the point of law,

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and that's often ultimately leads to the Supreme Court stepping

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into try and make the law uniform. Across the country.

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But the idea that I mean, yeah, there are certainly

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issues where the law is functionally different in different circus,

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and probably will be until the Supreme Court gets a

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chance to weigh in in a proper case.

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Speaker 1: I got an email question from Chris. He says, what

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executable accountability is there if the injunctions are ignored? I

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guess by the administration.

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Speaker 2: I mean accountability nothing. I mean, there's no there's no

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other than the accountability is impeachment by the House and

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conviction by the Senate. The president is the head of

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the executive branch and in charge of all federal law enforcement.

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There's no independent enforcement agency above the president that could

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force him to obey the Supreme Court. There is just

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the remedy of impeachment.

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Speaker 1: So do you think that that is That's sort of

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the second goal of the law fair that we're seeing

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is to induce this refusal to follow an injunction in

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order to then you know, stack up a case for

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imp if the Democrats win back control.

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Speaker 2: That might be part of it. Yeah, I think that

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I could easily see that being the logic. You know, basically,

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try and get to a point where you essentially force

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the administration to defy a court order because the court

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order is lawless, the court order doesn't respect core Article

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two prerogatives. And then in a couple of years we

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could see, yeah, we could see some sort of impeachment

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attempt based on that.

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Speaker 1: So what what's your assessment of this of this fight

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this is it does it rise to the constitutional crisis level?

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Or is it is this sort of like a natural

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testing and pushing back one branch against another.

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Speaker 2: I think it's it's more, you know, the push and

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pull of an executive branch that's finally decided to assert

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its authority and the judicial branch being staff of a

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bunch of people who despise the president and are trying

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to push back on that. I think that's really I've

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said this before, but the constitution crisis is being created

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by some unbelievably aggressive district court rulings.

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Speaker 1: So are there any that particularly stand out?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I mean, there was there was the order by

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the DC district judge to turn planes around once the

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planes were already in mid air. There was a different

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DC judge who ordered USA to disperse funds without a bond,

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wildly outside of jurisdiction. Because you know, and jurisdiction is

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sort of a routine theme where it's like courts don't

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actually have the authority to issue the release they're issuing.

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So you know, a DC district judge doesn't have the

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right to demand that funds be dispersed because that's the

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contract matter and that goes to the Court of Federal Claims.

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The DC judge who ordered planes turn around didn't have

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jurisdiction because it's a habeus issue, so it needs to

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be brought in the court where the person is being

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held or was most recently held. So you have this

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consistent problem where district judges are like, oh, the Trump

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administration is violating the law, and then they're violating the

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law themselves because they're not even looking at whether they

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have the authority to issue a decision in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Trump and the administration should consider

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looking at suspending habeas for deportees.

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Speaker 2: I mean they should look at it. I think I

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don't think it's necessary, But there's a world in which

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if I mean that is the underlying in a world

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where the Supreme Court imposes unbelievably ownerous restrictions on individual deportations.

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I think that'll be necessary. I just I think that

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there's a there's a democratic legitimacy problem. President Trump was

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elected to engage in mass deportation. He ran on the platform.

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The Biden administration facilitated a mass invasion. If the judiciary

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is going to forward the democratic will of the people

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on an issue at this central to our country, then

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I think that, you know, the president should look at

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all options available to him to achieve what he ran

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on and what he legitimately should have the right to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let me shift gears up to Milwaukee

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County Circuit Court Judge Hannah Dugan. This is the this

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is the judge. Yeah, that apparently helped an illegal, a criminal,

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violent criminal, illegal alien, helped him escape out the back

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door to avoid arrest by ice. She then got herself

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arrested for that obstruction. I would say, have you ever

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heard of anything like this? But I think we actually

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did hear about something like this during Trump's first term,

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when a different judge did a similar thing. I guess

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it speaks to sort of the same kind of mindset

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that has infected a lot of these leftist lawyers with

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wardrobe changes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean in the sense It's a really great

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metaphor for what the federal judiciary is doing as well.

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The difference is the federal judiciary has lawful authority to

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decide cases, so they can't be prosecuted for just deciding

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a case incorrectly and there and thereby you know, protecting

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illegal aliens. But the state court judge didn't have any

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authority to do anything like that, and yet took it

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upon herself to, yeah, shove this person through the jury

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door and try and help them get out of the

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building before I scot them.

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Speaker 1: Right, you have you read the details, like who else,

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like the victims were in the court with them and

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saw this all play out, Like it's just it's it's

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an am amazing, just tone deaf thing to do, just

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offensive thing to do for an officer of a court.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was incredibly audacious. I mean just in the

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level of entitlement. You know, I've been reading a lot

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about immigration recently, in the sort of history of the

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asylum movements and a lot of the NGOs that work

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in immigration, and you have to understand, these people think

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they're like Harriet Tubman running the underground railroad. They they

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just they think they're farts nut stake. They think they're

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so righteous that the law is just there as a

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tool to be used, but it's not something they need

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to obey because their righteous cause is more important than

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the law.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it really is. It really is amazing. Thank goodness,

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the the Ice folks caught the guy outside the courthouse

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where having we had a similar thing happened right here

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in Charlotte last week. Our sheriff confronted some ICE agents

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that were picking somebody up outside the courthouse, which, of

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course now they're allowed to do. Like the Ice agents

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are allowed to affect these arrests on public property as

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long as it's not inside of a courtroom. I believe

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if it's out in the hallways or out on the courtyard,

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they can do this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's this is the United States of America. You know,

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the state of North Carolina is not independently sovereign. We

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don't get to tell federal authorities to go away. That's

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not how this works. Like the most basic part of

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a Constitution of supremacy clause, the federal government is supreme

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to the states. There are certain rights reserved of the states,

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but when federal authorities are engaged in federal law enforcement,

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i e. Immigration enforcement, the States don't get to tell

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them go away. I mean outside of like the limited

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context of inside a courtroom.

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Speaker 1: Right, which I think we can all understand why if

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you're you know, running a court, that would make sense.

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You don't want to be, you know, tackling people and

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arresting them right in front. But it's a controlled environment.

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It just makes sense. It's the courthouse, or it's the jail,

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Like that's the safest place to take somebody into custody.

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It's it's bizarre, right.

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Speaker 2: You don't have go to their house, you don't have

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to go with guns. You know they've been disarmed. They're right,

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you know, they're around other law enforcement. Like, it's a

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very safe place to affect arrests, which is why it's

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perfectly sensible for ICE to want to do it in

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a courthouse.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Will Chamberlain, the senior counselor at the Article three Project,

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go to talk with you, sir, Thanks a lot for

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your insight, appreciate.

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Speaker 2: It, absolutely always kind Pete, all right.

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not know what airport this is, but they hung like

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a twenty by twenty foot painting of Icarus on fire

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falling from the sky. Why would you do that in

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an airport. Why kind of awkward, I mean, not as

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awkward as I don't know, say Bill Belichick interview on

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Sunday Mornings. But also, did you see the scandal about

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Donald Trump's blue suit? You wore a blue suit to

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the Pope's funeral, and like somebody took a crop shot

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photograph everybody around him wearing black, Trump's wearing blue and

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you're not supposed to wear a blue suit. And then

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when you zoom out, you see like Prince William wearing

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a blue suit. You see like all these other people

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wearing dark blue suits as well. Now, I don't know

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if it raised arises to the scandalous level of Obama's

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tan suit, which was scandalous, whereas Ronald Reagan's tan suit

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was pretty norm But yeah, I don't know. Maybe you

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know what, maybe Trump goes with the tattered like grassmowing

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sweatshirt that Bill Belichick wore during his interview, Like do

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that too, Like just start wearing that? Do not get it?

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Speaker 2: All?

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Speaker 1: Right? So protesters were out there protesting as they are

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known to do outside the FBI after in Milwaukee, after

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agents arrested a Milwaukee judge accused of helping a man

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evade immigration authorities. The case has escalated. That's the word escalation.

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That's the word. If you don't believe me. Here is

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a compilation put together by Western Lensman over on Twitter

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of the calcifying narrative.

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Speaker 3: We begin tonight with the escalation in the President's crackdown

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on illegal immigrations.

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Speaker 4: Today's dramatic escalation in the Trump Administration's conflict with judges,

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with the Trump administration signaling a major escalation in its

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deportation efforts.

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Speaker 1: Today, an escalation and the Trump Administration's battle with the judiciary.

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Speaker 2: Tensions between local and federal authorities of our President Trump's

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immigration crackdown escalated today.

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Speaker 1: We began this hour with a major escalation of the

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Trump Administration's cracked down or immigration as.

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Speaker 4: We begin with what appears to be a major escalation

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in the Trump Administration's deportation efforts, and what is a

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major escalation in the battle here in DC over immigration

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and deportation.

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Speaker 1: This feels like an insane and reckless escalation from the

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Trump administration. Arresting a judge. I will tell you you

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are not alone, is a dramatic escalation, more.

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Speaker 4: Aggressive moves, more escalation.

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Speaker 1: With Trump's escalation of his migrant purge.

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Speaker 3: This kind of escalatory action.

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Speaker 1: This is a dramatic escalation. Escalation, escalation, escalation, escalation, escalation.

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You see an immigration and escalation and escalation. Props to

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the guy who used the was it escalatory escalator or

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something where I didn't want to say an escalation. There

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is a reason why they all are saying the same thing.

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It's because somebody wrote it, probably the AP. I have

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the AP article here in second sentence, the case has

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escalated a clash, has it? Is this an escalation or

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is this the results of your own actions? When a

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judge breaks a law, then law enforcement goes in and

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arrests the judge, just like the judge down in where

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was it Arizona or something? Or California where the judge

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and his wife asked if some MS thirteen or TDA

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gangbanger guy wanted to stay in their poolhouse. I don't

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know if he was actually cleaning the pool while he

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was there. But to me, if you're breaking the law

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and you're aiding and embedding, obstructing, or harboring, and you

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know a wanted person, whether they're illegal or not, it's

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not an escalation to then arrest you for doing that.

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It is the natural outcome of your actions, right, it's

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the reaping phase. All right, let me jump over here. Well, say,

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John Doe, Welcome to the program, John Doe, how are you.

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Speaker 2: Hey, How are you doing? Pepe?

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm your friend that you met at the Yes, Yes, sir,

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I just wanted to share a story. Well, first of all,

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what you're talking about with the judge makes me sick

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to my stomach. Yeah, I mean, it is absolutely ridiculous.

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But I wanted to share a story when I was

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in law enforcement, how our judges treated us at the

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municipal level. I was working and I got a phone

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call from a judge that was actually in the middle

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of a trial that took a recess to let us

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know that the person that was on trial had an

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active warrant and he wanted us to wait for him

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outside of the courthouse so we could take him in

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the custody.

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Speaker 1: Oh. So, like the complete opposite of what this Milwaukee

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judge did.

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Speaker 3: Correct, correct, And that's how I, truly, and I hope

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most people believed how judges and law enforcement on all levels, municipal, federal.

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I mean, that's how we should get along and work

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to get together cohesively versus trying to evade or help criminals.

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Speaker 1: Right if the law, If as an officer of the court,

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the judge is supposed to be applying the law, and

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they know that there is an active warrant out for

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somebody's arrest, then you would think it would be their

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duty as an officer of the court to alert the

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proper other officers of the of the court to go

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and pick the person up.

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Speaker 3: And that's that's exactly what this judge did. And literally

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in the middle of the court, Hey, come get them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you dropped. I'm sorry you dropped out there.

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Uh so he said, literally, that's right. I said, literally

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in the middle of the court. Then then you dropped out.

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What happened in the middle of the court.

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Speaker 3: In the middle of the trial. He took a recess

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to let us know to get them and rest them

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on the court on the property of the court.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well yeah, because again it's a controlled environment. They've

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gone through security, so you know they don't have weapons

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coming in, and you got law enforcement all over the place.

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It makes sense.

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Speaker 3: And I just want to say there are good judges

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out there. Yes, obviously this one is just not there.

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Speaker 1: No, definitely not. Hey, John, appreciate the call. Man, good

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to talk with.

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Speaker 3: You, Yes, sir, thank you.

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Speaker 1: All right, take it easy. The protesters out in front

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of the FBI were chanting, because again that's what protesters do.

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They were chanting, well, unless they're doing the die ins

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right where they just lay down on the ground. They

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were chanting. Immigrants are here to stay. That's what they

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were chanting. Immigrants are here to stay. So again, like

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they're telling you what they believe the border policy should

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be and what we witnessed under the Biden administration, and

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is it they want open borders, they don't want any deportations.

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All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you

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