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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm doubly busy Boston's

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<v Speaker 1>news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks very much, Nicole, as we open up a Friday

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<v Speaker 2>night edition of Nightside. My name's Dan Ray, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>here all the way until midnight. It is now November first.

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<v Speaker 2>Halloween is over, ladies and gentlemen. Let's now start thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about turkeys and Thanksgiving and all of that we got.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not gonna be talking about turkeys of Thanksgiving tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>We will get to that at some point later this month.

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<v Speaker 2>But we have an interesting, really good show lined up

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<v Speaker 2>for you tonight, so I hope you'll stick with us.

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<v Speaker 2>We have four interesting guests coming up with at nine o'clock,

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<v Speaker 2>we will have a debate, not a debate, a conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>a discussion, if you will, on two points of view

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<v Speaker 2>on question number four, and that is the question that

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<v Speaker 2>deals with the legalization of psychedelics here in the state

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<v Speaker 2>of Massachusetts, one of the five ballot questions you'll be

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<v Speaker 2>if you are going to be voting on Tuesday, if

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<v Speaker 2>you've voted already, that you will have to consider. I

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<v Speaker 2>have considered it. And then later on tonight we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk with one of my I have three favorite polsters,

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Paleologus obviously, Spencer Kimball, David at Suffolk, Spencer Kimball

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<v Speaker 2>at Emerson, and John Zogby. John has been doing this

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<v Speaker 2>for about forty years. We'll see what he thinks. As

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<v Speaker 2>we enter the weekend before the election of twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>and then in the twentieth hour tonight, got a special

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<v Speaker 2>treat for I'm going to ask people to call in

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<v Speaker 2>if you are having some anxiety over whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>your candidate is going to win the presidency on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 2>Whether you're a supporter of Vice President Harris, a former

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump, and you are committed to that person, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're not confident they're going to win, you know, call in.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna we're gonna do sort of a group session

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<v Speaker 2>here which we're going to try to make everybody get

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<v Speaker 2>the anxiety level down a little bit. We'll deal with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll explain that a little bit later on tonight, but

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<v Speaker 2>first we're going to start off, as you know this weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the other things this weekend, besides worrying about

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<v Speaker 2>the presidential election, we have to worry about moving the

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<v Speaker 2>clocks backwards. We get an extra hour of sleep. But

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<v Speaker 2>one of the byproducts of moving the clocks backwards something

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<v Speaker 2>called the seasonal effective disorder. And with us is doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle Deblosi. She's the chief of inpatient Psychiatry Tufts Medical Center.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Deblase. Some days I think I need you, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to call you off here. But with everything that's

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<v Speaker 2>going on, I think all of us need some help.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, let's talk about seasonal effective disorder. This

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<v Speaker 2>is actually something that affects a lot of people and

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<v Speaker 2>affects them dramatically. First of all, welcome to Night's side,

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<v Speaker 2>and please explain to people who have never heard of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think most of them audience, have heard of it.

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<v Speaker 2>What exactly do you mean by seasonal effective disorder?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, first of all, thanks so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>This is really a great honor. So in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>seasonal effective disorder.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually doctor, but it's my honor to have you

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<v Speaker 2>trust me. They call you to say, Doc, I need

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<v Speaker 2>some help here. Remember I'm always.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy to help, always happy to help. So seasonal effective

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<v Speaker 3>disorder does affect a fair amount of people. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I think for most of us, we tend to get

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like the seasonal blues. You know, when it's

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<v Speaker 3>like late fall, early winter, it's kind of less sunlight,

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<v Speaker 3>it's darker outside, it's darker earlier, it's cold out. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we start to kind of feel like a little bit down,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe like isolating a little bit more. But for some

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<v Speaker 3>people this can be really severe. So and that's what

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<v Speaker 3>we call it seasonal effective disorder, where people actually get

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<v Speaker 3>a true depressive episode, like they're not sleeping while they

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<v Speaker 3>you know, lose interest in things they used to enjoy.

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<v Speaker 3>They feel really down, really sad, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it can be a really tough time of year for

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>So what causes it? Is it the lack of sunlight?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a chemical reaction or or merely a psychologue

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't say merely, but obviously if it's a chemical reaction,

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<v Speaker 2>that's even I think medically more serious than if it's

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<v Speaker 2>a psychological reaction.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So, I mean I don't think we know exactly what

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<v Speaker 3>causes it, but there are several theories, you know, one

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<v Speaker 3>of which is that with the decrease sunlight this time

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<v Speaker 3>of year, we actually have less access in our brains

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<v Speaker 3>to our feel good foremone which is called serotonin so

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<v Speaker 3>that's one contributing factor. The other thing is, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>with sunlight, we get more vitamin D in our bodies,

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<v Speaker 3>and so with less lunch sunlight, there's less vitamin D

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<v Speaker 3>that's available to us, and that can kind of worsen

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<v Speaker 3>our mood. And then kind of this third theory is

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<v Speaker 3>that with less only our bodies actually are going to

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<v Speaker 3>be producing more melatonin, which is something that some of

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<v Speaker 3>us take us supplement at night to help us sleep,

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<v Speaker 3>but it can make you just feel more like sluggish

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<v Speaker 3>and down. So those are kind of like the leading theories,

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<v Speaker 3>but I do think there's probably also a psychological component.

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<v Speaker 3>You know a lot of people kind of like isolate,

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<v Speaker 3>don't go outside a lot, maybe don't spend as much

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<v Speaker 3>time with people, and so that can kind of worsen

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<v Speaker 3>the symptoms.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the symptoms for some people can be really tough.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably the person who I know was impacted by it

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<v Speaker 2>most severely was the former first Lady of Massachusetts, Kitty Ducaccus,

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<v Speaker 2>Governor Michael Decaucus's wife. And I don't know if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a familiar or even if you were living here back

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<v Speaker 2>when Governor Ducaccus was the governor, but after his time

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<v Speaker 2>as governor and as a Democratic presidential candidate in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty eight, Missus Ducaucus spoke pretty openly about having been

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<v Speaker 2>impacted this way by this, and I actually did a

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<v Speaker 2>piano discussion with her in Worcester with her and with

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<v Speaker 2>Governor Decaucus. So tremendous impact on her and on the

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<v Speaker 2>Dacaccus family. And that's when it was driven home to me,

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<v Speaker 2>this was about twenty twenty five years ago, that this

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<v Speaker 2>is not something that's in someone's head. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>real This has a real impact on different people, and

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<v Speaker 2>on Missus Dacaccus it really adversely impacted and she had

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<v Speaker 2>to fight through it. And Governor Dedcaccus was very supportive

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<v Speaker 2>of his wife and understood early on that this was

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<v Speaker 2>not just a mood swing. This was something that could

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<v Speaker 2>be predicted the with the onset of less daylight. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>the daylight doesn't change, It just swishes on Sunday. As

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you know, it's not as if we lose

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<v Speaker 2>it hours of daylight. It just gets rearranged on our schedule,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is what kicks it off. I believe in

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people if I'm wrong here, and I've

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<v Speaker 2>put out some bad information. Please correct me.

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<v Speaker 3>No, you know, you're absolutely right, and you know there's

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<v Speaker 3>a whole range of severity, and some people do get

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<v Speaker 3>really sick from this and can be really crippling, So

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<v Speaker 3>it's important to be aware of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is this is something that is there other

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<v Speaker 2>than sort of like just feeling down or feeling blue.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there any way that people can on their own

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<v Speaker 2>figure out Hey, is it the timing of it? Is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it sort of certain certain activities that you no

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<v Speaker 2>longer want to put How can people sort of self

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<v Speaker 2>diagnose and realize that maybe they need to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>someone about this, because I think you have to almost

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<v Speaker 2>sense that you got an issue before you pick up

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<v Speaker 2>the phone and get in touch with someone to help

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<v Speaker 2>you out on something like this. What are some of

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<v Speaker 2>the obvious signs that most people would be able to recognize.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, I think you mentioned a few of

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<v Speaker 3>the symptoms. I think the biggest thing is when you

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<v Speaker 3>start to feel like you just aren't like yourself anymore,

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<v Speaker 3>Like you're you're not wanting to like get out of bed,

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<v Speaker 3>You're not wanting to do things you used to like

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<v Speaker 3>to do, like go out with friends or doing activities

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<v Speaker 3>you kind of lose interest. But the biggest signs of

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<v Speaker 3>a depressive episode are also going to be objective measures.

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean things like changes in your appetite like

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<v Speaker 3>either eating like way too much or just like not

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<v Speaker 3>being interested in eating anymore, or you know, sleeping a

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<v Speaker 3>lot less, like having trouble sleeping or like over sleeping

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<v Speaker 3>you know into mid afternoon. You know, things like that

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<v Speaker 3>are going to be a sign that something might be,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, seriously wrong. And certainly if it gets really

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<v Speaker 3>severe in terms of your mood where you're feeling totally

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<v Speaker 3>hopeless or you're having thoughts about ending your life, like

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<v Speaker 3>you absolutely need to get help immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>Such good advice, Such such good advice. Doctor Michelle de Blassie,

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<v Speaker 2>Chief of Impatient Psychilgy Psychiatry a Tough Medical Center. Is

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<v Speaker 2>there any program or books that you'd like to refer

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<v Speaker 2>people to. I mean, oftentimes people either have written a paper,

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<v Speaker 2>written a book, or there's a program that people can

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<v Speaker 2>reach out to. Sometimes it's the information that you're provided

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<v Speaker 2>that's most important. I just want to give you an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity if there's any way, any any way you want

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<v Speaker 2>to refer people to to get more information about this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, it's a really good you know question.

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<v Speaker 3>I do think in this situation there is a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of information, you know, on the internet, just just basic

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<v Speaker 3>websites can kind of give you sort of the layout

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<v Speaker 3>of what it could be. So I don't have anything specific.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you very much, but your time tonight was

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<v Speaker 2>really invaluable. And if there are people who in the

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<v Speaker 2>next few days or even now are beginning to feel

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<v Speaker 2>this way, I use the word feeling blue, which covers

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<v Speaker 2>a variety of feelings and conditions, pay attention to it

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<v Speaker 2>and seek some help. Doctor Michelle de Blasi really enjoyed

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation with you. Thank you very much for making

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<v Speaker 2>an understandable even of someone like me. I appreciate it

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<v Speaker 2>so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, you have a great night. Thank you you toube.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoy the weekend. When we get back, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about a new cookbook filled with recipes from

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<v Speaker 2>the city's most legendary chefs and restauranteurs, A Taste of

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<v Speaker 2>Boston co written by Jenny Johnson along with Billy Costa.

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<v Speaker 2>You know them from Nessen's Dining Playbook. And also they

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<v Speaker 2>have a show here at WVZ every Saturday Night Food

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<v Speaker 2>for Thought. We'll be talking with Jenny on the other

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<v Speaker 2>side of the news break here on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Back on Nightside. I'm delighted to welcome a very familiar

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<v Speaker 2>name and a very familiar voice, very familiar personality. She's

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<v Speaker 2>an author of Food Personality broadcast, co host of the

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<v Speaker 2>weekend WBZ show called Food for Thought, and also co

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<v Speaker 2>host of Nesson's Dining playbook Jenny Johnson. Jenny, welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>Night's Side. So glad to have you here.

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<v Speaker 3>Dan, It's so nice to be with you.

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<v Speaker 2>You have written a book called A Taste of Boston,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that you and Billy Costa, who is

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<v Speaker 2>your co author of the book here, are particularly situated,

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<v Speaker 2>well situated. This is the definitive cookbook of the city

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<v Speaker 2>we love. Tell us how you come up with the idea,

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<v Speaker 2>and tell us it's just out. Tell us how people

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<v Speaker 2>can get it. It sounds like a great book for

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<v Speaker 2>holiday gift giving and for bringing to people's homes. If

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<v Speaker 3>You're right, Dan, So, Billy and I have been working

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<v Speaker 3>of that, we wanted something to sort of celebrate twenty

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<v Speaker 3>years of promoting hospitality in Boston and really New England.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, television shows and radio shows that we do,

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<v Speaker 3>think we both had this desire to have something really

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<v Speaker 3>promote the industry that we love so much. So we

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<v Speaker 3>launched a Taste of Boston cookbook. It has sixty of

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<v Speaker 3>Boston's chefs, It has sixty recipes, and then it has

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<v Speaker 3>sixty stories. Because you're right, we are kind of uniquely

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<v Speaker 2>So I assume the book is readily available, but give

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<v Speaker 2>But it would be great to be off in a

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<v Speaker 2>book like that that you can put together pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have recipes for the gourmet chefs as well

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's the great part about this book is

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<v Speaker 3>we broke it up into breakfast, lunch, dinner, and dessert,

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<v Speaker 3>so very simple. All of the you know, different meals

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<v Speaker 3>that we enjoy so well. Some of them not gonna

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<v Speaker 3>lie little bit complicated. You really got to put your

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<v Speaker 3>them are very approachable. So what's really interesting is you're

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<v Speaker 3>seeing some of the most well known Boston chefs, everyone

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<v Speaker 3>from Lydia Shire to Ken Oranger to Michael Schlau, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to Jeremy Seoul. You're seeing Joanne change in here on

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<v Speaker 3>the sortoon, some of our favorite you know, and very

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<v Speaker 3>sort of at this point historic because they're so steeped

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<v Speaker 3>in the culinary world of Boston chef. And then you

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<v Speaker 3>have some newer names Aaron Miller, Jose d'Arte, Michael Lombardi,

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<v Speaker 3>in Boston, and so they totally range. The other day,

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<v Speaker 3>Billy and I for a dining playbook our television show,

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<v Speaker 3>chef at Presa and has some other chefs in the city,

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<v Speaker 2>Something that I firstly considered I personally considered chocolate chip

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<v Speaker 2>pancakes a health food. Now I don't know if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>for sure. I actually love sometimes some nice I make

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<v Speaker 3>There's nothing wrong with breakfast for dinner, Dan, nothing at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. I just want to I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that I'm not breaking any rules here. But

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<v Speaker 3>Well, well, do you have a sweet tooth?

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<v Speaker 3>if there's this one that is so I fight it

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<v Speaker 3>very unique. There are unique flavors, but it's a pistachio

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<v Speaker 3>Terry Misdew And there's something about the flavor of the

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<v Speaker 3>pistachio that took this team sew to a completely different level.

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<v Speaker 3>This was mother and son actually, so Kathy Sidell and

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<v Speaker 3>Ben Sidell, and they have restaurants all over This is

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<v Speaker 3>Back Bay, but we made that and it was so

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<v Speaker 3>rich and well, not overly rich, so like perfectly rich

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<v Speaker 3>and creamy, with this tang that you're just not used

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<v Speaker 3>to in terraormists do. And then you know Joann Shang,

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<v Speaker 3>who I mentioned, does kind of the classic Boston quam pie,

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<v Speaker 3>would I be able to make Joean Shang's recipe. She's

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<v Speaker 3>so famous with multiple flowers all over the city and beyond,

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<v Speaker 3>and yet you have that recipe in this book. And

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<v Speaker 3>I one thing I want to say is one of

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<v Speaker 3>the greatest things about this is also how you see

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<v Speaker 3>the overlap between these chefs. Okay, so you think of

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<v Speaker 3>What you might not know is that a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>these chefs are very close friends, and they are all

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<v Speaker 3>friends who support one another. They support the nonprofits that

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<v Speaker 3>they support. They do a lot of philanthropy within our city,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of supporting our hospitals or education centers and

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<v Speaker 3>our nonprofits in the area. And so you are through

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<v Speaker 3>the story, you're really able to get sort of the

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<v Speaker 3>richness that is so much of the camaraderie that is

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know that there's a lot of cities that claim,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, New Orleans, they talk about the great New

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<v Speaker 2>Orleans cuisine, and you know Chicago, the great steak places

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<v Speaker 2>in Chicago, and of course New York City. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think Boston's right up there. And I think that you

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<v Speaker 2>and Billy over the years have really made people aware

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<v Speaker 2>of that twenty years on television. Who there's probably no

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<v Speaker 2>other city that has some a couple like you guys

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<v Speaker 2>who have done so much with it for the dining industry,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's only appropriate. So the book is called

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<v Speaker 2>A Taste of Boston. It's a cookbook filled with recipes

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<v Speaker 2>from cities most legendary chefs and restaurant toys. You got

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<v Speaker 2>a forward written by Mark Wahlberg, as I understand that's correct.

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<v Speaker 5>We do.

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<v Speaker 3>Mark has known Billy for a lot of years, and

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<v Speaker 3>I at one point was an extra in one of

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<v Speaker 3>his movies here, and he's just been a big supporter,

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<v Speaker 3>and we've also been a big supporter of his brother Paul.

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<v Speaker 3>We were close with his mom and what's nice about

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<v Speaker 3>be forward? Did you hear Mark talk about how much

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<v Speaker 3>he loves food? We all love food, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>this is a nice celebration of both the city that

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<v Speaker 3>you love and a lot of different culinary flavors from

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<v Speaker 3>the chefs that you us.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's that's so great. I'll be looking forward to

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<v Speaker 2>watch the Dining in Essence Dining playbook. Yeah, even more closely.

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<v Speaker 2>I always enjoy the personality that both you and Billy

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<v Speaker 2>have because you make it fun to watch, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>a great guest, and we'll have you back. And how

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<v Speaker 2>can people get this? I'm assuming it's available? Thank you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so it is available on Amazon. You just go

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<v Speaker 3>to a Taste of Boston cookbook on Amazon. It's also

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<v Speaker 3>available on Meet Boston dot com slash Cookbook where you

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<v Speaker 3>can learn a little bit more about it. And it

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<v Speaker 3>is as you said on the top, it's a great

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<v Speaker 3>gift for the hostess event that you're going to this

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<v Speaker 3>holiday season, and a great gift for anyone who loves

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<v Speaker 3>food and who loves Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds great. Give me I stepped on your line there.

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<v Speaker 2>I know Amazon, you know is easy. What was what's

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<v Speaker 2>the other website you were sending people to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Amazon, of course is probably the easiest. But you

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<v Speaker 3>also can go to meet Boston dot com slash cookbook,

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<v Speaker 3>where we give a little bit more color and flavor

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<v Speaker 3>to everything that's inside the buck.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and when you say meet to Boston, you mean

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<v Speaker 3>That's correct.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. I just want to make sure. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to get anybody lost on the internet. That's but sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Jenny enjoyed it so much, Please say I had to

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<v Speaker 2>Billy cost it for me.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a I definitely will Dan, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 3>for having on talk soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, all right, we come back. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it more. Well. I think it's a serious topic.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is, believe it or not, beginning Monday night, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess Sunday night. The beginning Monday night, the evening

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<v Speaker 2>get darker. About an hour earlier. You're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>talking with Triple A senior spokesperson, Mark shield Drop, just

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of make you a weird what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's going to be an important conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>right here on night Side WVS Boston ten thirty and

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<v Speaker 2>your AM dial. You can always get the iHeartRadio app

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<v Speaker 2>if you haven't any trouble picking us up. And by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, I had a lovely I hope. A couple

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<v Speaker 2>in Montreal sent me a lovely text today, not a text,

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<v Speaker 2>an email. Suzanne Sizzek up in Montreal. She said that

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<v Speaker 2>her husband and I listened. My husband and I listened

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<v Speaker 2>to your excellent show daily from Montreal. Congratulations on hosting

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<v Speaker 2>a fair, honest and enlightening talk show. No easy feat

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure so thank you so much, Susanne. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you're listening, and I certainly will answer your email over

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend. But in the meantime we'll step aside and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be back. We'll step aside for the news at

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom of the Arron, and we're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>back with another great guest here Nightside on November first.

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<v Speaker 2>November first, think about that. November one, twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Four, it's night Side with Dan Ray. Hey, Dan Boston's

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<v Speaker 1>news Radio. Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you

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<v Speaker 1>Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Big weekend coming up here. This is the first weekend

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<v Speaker 2>of November. Today being November first, as have reminded you

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<v Speaker 2>in the weekend, besides all the football games and things

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<v Speaker 2>some of this really fine fall New England weather, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the big events of the weekend is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be that theoretical one hour extra sleep that all of

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<v Speaker 2>are rolled back and we leave daylight Savings time and

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<v Speaker 2>we move back into Eastern Standard time. That sounds great,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's a problem, and that is that the evening

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<v Speaker 2>we all of a sudden go from driving in relative

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<v Speaker 2>daylight to now driving in darkness, particularly in the evening commute.

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<v Speaker 2>With us is Mark shield Drop, senior spokesperson for Triple

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<v Speaker 2>A here in New England, and Mark, I guess there

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<v Speaker 2>are some statistics that back you up on this, that

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<v Speaker 2>of early next week at least.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome back, hey, Dan, and thanks for having me. And

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<v Speaker 4>you're right, the numbers are pretty interesting really as soon

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<v Speaker 4>as we set the clocks back, we see a pretty

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<v Speaker 4>decent increase in the number of crashes in that five

424
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<v Speaker 4>pm hour. So that's you know, peak commute time, that's

425
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<v Speaker 4>when people are coming home it's suddenly dark. So we

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<v Speaker 4>saw thirty eight percent increases in crashes in Massachusetts last

427
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<v Speaker 4>year alone, and when we look at pedestrian crashes, it's

428
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<v Speaker 4>really troubling. There was one hundred and fifty nine percent

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<v Speaker 4>increase in pedestrian crashes in the five pm hour when

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<v Speaker 4>we compare November to October. So basically, you know the

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<v Speaker 4>time change.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so is this a function of that all of

433
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<v Speaker 2>a sudden we're driving in in the morning and things

434
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<v Speaker 2>happened dramatically changed. If anything, that's got a little lighter

435
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<v Speaker 2>depending upon what time you commute into work. But when

436
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<v Speaker 2>you're coming home you walked into you get in your

437
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<v Speaker 2>car and you realize, hey, it's a little different than

438
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<v Speaker 2>it was on it last Friday last week, And is

439
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<v Speaker 2>that people are not paying attention? Have they not cleaned

440
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<v Speaker 2>their windshields? What can we do to mediate this situation

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<v Speaker 2>to make it a little safer for everybody drivers and pedestrians.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, you're starting to list off a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>the factors that come into play, and I think we're

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<v Speaker 4>in the habit of driving in daylight after the evening commute,

445
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<v Speaker 4>all of a sudden, it's dark. We're not used to it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>The reality is we have way less experience driving at

448
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<v Speaker 4>night by the time we get to the same are

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<v Speaker 4>because it's been light, you know, most of the day.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's that adjustment period where we kind of realize like, oh, okay,

451
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<v Speaker 4>I need to make sure my lights are on. I

452
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<v Speaker 4>gotta be a little extra careful, and I'm whipping around

453
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<v Speaker 4>that corner because I'm not going to see that pedestrian

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<v Speaker 4>right away they're trying to cross the street. So there's

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<v Speaker 4>definitely that the glare is a factor. People are getting

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<v Speaker 4>a little blinded, and from the headlights that are coming

457
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<v Speaker 4>on your windshield, if it's a little grindy on the inside,

458
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<v Speaker 4>all of a sudden, it's a little bit tougher to see.

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<v Speaker 4>The other factor is, and I'm not a sleep expert,

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<v Speaker 4>but sleep experts do say that after the time change,

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<v Speaker 4>even though we think we're getting an extra hour sleep

462
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<v Speaker 4>in the morning over the weekend, the reality is circidian

463
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<v Speaker 4>rhythms can be affected, and we can find ourselves drowsy.

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<v Speaker 4>And we've done some research at Triple A where we

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<v Speaker 4>ask folks, you know, how drowsy do you feel, and

466
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<v Speaker 4>a lot of them say, I don't feel too drowsy.

467
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<v Speaker 4>But in these studies that we've done, they're actually moderately

468
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<v Speaker 4>to severely drowsy. So people don't realize how tired they

469
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<v Speaker 4>really are. So I think this is the kind of

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<v Speaker 4>thing that just kind of catches up with you when

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<v Speaker 4>you're behind the wheel, it's a cool night, you've got

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<v Speaker 4>the heat on, you're heading home, you've got a long

473
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<v Speaker 4>day of work, and your eyelets are a little heavy,

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<v Speaker 4>and next thing you know, you're not off for a second.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think that has a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>To do with it.

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<v Speaker 2>So, without drilling down too deeply in the stats that

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<v Speaker 2>you've kept, are we talking about an uptick in minor

479
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<v Speaker 2>fender benders, which of course is bad, But are we

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<v Speaker 2>talking about something more serious than that? And you know,

481
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<v Speaker 2>fatal crashes again, I hope it's the latter for the former,

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<v Speaker 2>not the latter.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, crashes of all types at five pm

484
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<v Speaker 4>and many roads in Massachusetts, Look, they're not going to

485
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<v Speaker 4>be moving too fast because of the traffic. So that

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<v Speaker 4>does kind of reduce the number of fatal crashes that

487
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<v Speaker 4>we see on the highways. You know, most of the

488
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<v Speaker 4>really bad fatal crashes on our roadways happened really in

489
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<v Speaker 4>the overnight, in the very early morning hours, in dinner

490
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<v Speaker 4>as the fatalities. But we are worried about pedestrians, especially

491
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<v Speaker 4>pedestrians at that five PM because there's a lot of

492
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<v Speaker 4>people walking around and that's when people they had that

493
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<v Speaker 4>evening routine, you know, they walk the dog before they

494
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<v Speaker 4>come back in and cook dinner. You know, so maybe

495
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<v Speaker 4>instead of taking that walk at five pm, if you

496
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<v Speaker 4>have the ability, if you're home already, maybe move it

497
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<v Speaker 4>to like three point thirty, get it a little bit earlier.

498
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<v Speaker 4>Change you routine up so you're not out when drivers

499
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<v Speaker 4>are on the road in that newfound darkness. We think

500
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<v Speaker 4>that drowsy driving crashes are severely under reported too. So

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<v Speaker 4>last year, just the entire year in Massachusetts, there's a

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<v Speaker 4>total of three and twenty two crashes where police checked

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<v Speaker 4>the box it said drowsiness or a driver falling asleep

504
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<v Speaker 4>was the cause of the crash. There were nine fatalities

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<v Speaker 4>in those crashes. I think those numbers are way higher.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, when we wake up in the morning and

507
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<v Speaker 4>you see that story of that single car crash at

508
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<v Speaker 4>five in the morning, that beard off the roadway and

509
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<v Speaker 4>police aren't really sure what happened somebody. You know, it

510
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<v Speaker 4>turns out they weren't impaired on alcohol, but you know,

511
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<v Speaker 4>that person sadly had passed away, so we can't ask

512
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<v Speaker 4>what happened. Those are drowsy driving crashes in many cases,

513
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<v Speaker 4>but we just aren't able to actually record it as

514
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<v Speaker 4>such because we can't really tell if someone fell asleep.

515
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<v Speaker 4>So this is a big issue overall. And it happened

516
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<v Speaker 4>to me. I've started to drift off on the road

517
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<v Speaker 4>and thankfully my car beated at me blink keep the

518
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<v Speaker 4>cyst kicked on, and that really kind of rattled me awake.

519
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<v Speaker 4>But that was a big, stark reminder for me. As

520
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<v Speaker 4>somebody goes and you know, tries to practice what he preaches,

521
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<v Speaker 4>it can happen to anyone and it comes up on

522
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<v Speaker 4>you quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I can let me tell you, I worked for

524
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<v Speaker 2>a long time the early morning news and television of

525
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<v Speaker 2>the Channel four, about eleven years, and you were up

526
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<v Speaker 2>at three o'clock a quarter three in the morning. You

527
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<v Speaker 2>might have been coaching, you know, hockey the night the

528
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<v Speaker 2>night before at nine o'clock at a rink, and instead

529
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<v Speaker 2>of getting six hours sleep, you got four and a half.

530
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<v Speaker 2>And that would be the day. Particularly, I knew, like

531
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<v Speaker 2>in the spring, you'd be driving back from stories and

532
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:25.000
<v Speaker 2>it's sunny out and it's you know, all of a sudden,

533
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<v Speaker 2>the warm weather has hit sometime in April, and I

534
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<v Speaker 2>can remember a couple of days actually realizing, okay, you

535
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.279
<v Speaker 2>just you just nodded off and now you're yeah, twelve

536
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<v Speaker 2>thirty one o'clock, and boy, if that doesn't if that

537
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<v Speaker 2>doesn't shake up. But these these crashes that you're talking about,

538
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<v Speaker 2>which you are eminently predictable, and these accidents, there are

539
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<v Speaker 2>people who are listening to us right now who if

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<v Speaker 2>everybody just was a little more careful, particularly the first

541
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<v Speaker 2>week or so, once you get back, and it's like,

542
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<v Speaker 2>you know, it reminds me of Mark when there's a

543
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<v Speaker 2>first snowstorm and it's like one inch of snow or

544
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<v Speaker 2>two inches of snow. The whole city gets tied up

545
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<v Speaker 2>because nobody remembers how to drive in the snow. A

546
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<v Speaker 2>couple of months later, we'll have a ten inch snowstorm,

547
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<v Speaker 2>No problem. Everybody's doing perfectly. So just next week, people

548
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<v Speaker 2>be a little careful and beer in mind what Mark

549
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<v Speaker 2>had to say. A lot of very sobering statistics that

550
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:19.599
<v Speaker 2>you're brought up for us tonight, Mark, and hopefully they'll

551
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<v Speaker 2>be some people out there who will take it to

552
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<v Speaker 2>heart and just be a little more careful. Look, take

553
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<v Speaker 2>another look before you pull out of the because the

554
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:31.640
<v Speaker 2>other person might be not paying attention, either when you

555
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<v Speaker 2>pull out of a parking space or you pull out

556
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<v Speaker 2>of a parking garage. Make sure there's not some little

557
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:39.319
<v Speaker 2>kid floating around on a bike, because you know it's

558
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:43.599
<v Speaker 2>all of us have done, have been driving and at

559
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<v Speaker 2>some moment, oh my god, I wish I had seen

560
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<v Speaker 2>that earlier. So just to realize that next week is

561
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<v Speaker 2>going to be a little bit of a danger area,

562
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<v Speaker 2>get that extra hour of sleep, Enjoy the extra hour

563
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<v Speaker 2>of sleep, whether it helps you or not. But next week,

564
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<v Speaker 2>be especially careful. Mark. As always, thank you so much

565
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<v Speaker 2>for joining us much.

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<v Speaker 4>Dan, appreciate you getting the traffic safety message out for Yeah, he's.

567
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<v Speaker 2>So borant, because guess what it could be me walking

568
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<v Speaker 2>across the street and someone Yeah I could This is

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<v Speaker 2>This is self protection for all of us. So thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for joining us, particularly on a Friday night. Hope

571
00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:16.720
<v Speaker 2>you had a good Halloween. Don't need too much. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks man. All right, when we get back on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side, we're going to talk. Look, politics is we're

574
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<v Speaker 2>in the midst of the political season here, hopefully it'll

575
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<v Speaker 2>be over by Tuesday night, Wednesday morning and all of that.

576
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<v Speaker 2>But we're going to talk with a relationship expert who

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<v Speaker 2>will answer the question is politics a dating deal breaker?

578
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<v Speaker 2>I suspect that politics has never been a greater dating

579
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<v Speaker 2>deal breaker than it's been in the last couple of years.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk with Laurel Houston right after the break here

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<v Speaker 2>on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome back everybody, and we are we're going

585
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<v Speaker 2>to mix dating with politics. Could be a bad mix

586
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<v Speaker 2>with us. It's Laurel Houston. She's a relationship expert, and

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<v Speaker 2>the question is is politics a dating deal breaker? When

588
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<v Speaker 2>I was dating back in the day, when I was

589
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<v Speaker 2>a single guy, politics were really not a factor. But

590
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<v Speaker 2>my sense is they're becoming a much more important factor.

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<v Speaker 2>Laurel Houston, Welcome to Nightside. How are you good?

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you for having me on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thanks so much for joining us. So my question is, look,

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<v Speaker 2>we all know that the temperature, the political temperature, has risen.

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<v Speaker 2>We're a badly divided nation right now. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people on both sides of the equation, are of the spectrum,

597
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<v Speaker 2>are not tolerant of people who have different viewpoints? And

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<v Speaker 2>has it impacted dating relationships? I'm sure it has tell

599
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<v Speaker 2>us how.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh very much so. And I think one of my

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<v Speaker 5>favorite things to tell people right at the beginning, whether

602
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<v Speaker 5>it is your dating partner, your parent, whoever it is,

603
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<v Speaker 5>when I start this conversation about politics, religion, money, whatever

604
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<v Speaker 5>it is, will this conversation help build the relationship or

605
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<v Speaker 5>will this conversation build resentment? Because if you start the

606
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:23.880
<v Speaker 5>conversation with that in mind, that tells you more than

607
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<v Speaker 5>you need to know than what the conversation is actually about.

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<v Speaker 5>Am I trying to build connection? Am I trying to

609
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<v Speaker 5>find common ground? Or am I trying to persuade and manipulate?

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<v Speaker 5>And course, because when we are in relationships and it

611
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<v Speaker 5>is not about building relationships, that's when it just builds

612
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<v Speaker 5>resentment and more often than not. That happens a lot

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<v Speaker 5>when politics come into it, because we're trying to build connections.

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<v Speaker 2>Ideally, you would like to think that people would fall

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<v Speaker 2>in love because they like each other's values and they

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<v Speaker 2>have common interests and all of that, and then yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's some differences in politics, so be it. But

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<v Speaker 2>politics has become such a hot button issue. I'll play

619
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<v Speaker 2>devil's advocate for a second. Isn't it better just to

620
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<v Speaker 2>get it out of the way and say, Okay, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm this, You're that it's never going to work. Really

622
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<v Speaker 2>nice to meet you and move on. Or is it

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<v Speaker 2>better to to build that relationship and hope that when

624
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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden there is a presidential election and

625
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<v Speaker 2>you find out that your new best friend, you're someone

626
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:36.319
<v Speaker 2>who might become your life partner, is just diametrically opposed

627
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<v Speaker 2>to virtually everything you believe in. It's kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>Hobson's choice, isn't it. Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, And that's why having these conversations are actually very important.

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<v Speaker 5>But far too often we steer away from these conversations

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<v Speaker 5>because what we're actually asking when we have these conversations

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<v Speaker 5>is whether we agree or disagree. Do you still want

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<v Speaker 5>to be in my life? Do we still want to

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<v Speaker 5>have a relationship once the conversation is over? And so

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<v Speaker 5>I think these conversations are far more important than we think.

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<v Speaker 5>They only come up once every four years, but these

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<v Speaker 5>should be common in ongoing conversations. We need to know

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<v Speaker 5>where you see on, what your values are, and are

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<v Speaker 5>we in alignment with it together?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So let me ask you this. You study this.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, although I study it five nights a week

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<v Speaker 2>here because I'm doing a show that has a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of politics in it, and I get people on each

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<v Speaker 2>extreme who are tough to deal with because they're so

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<v Speaker 2>committed to this set of beliefs and their core values

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't even want to have They just want

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<v Speaker 2>to make a speech on my show. And I tell people,

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<v Speaker 2>let's have a conversation, okay, whether you agree with disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's my question. I don't think again, back in

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<v Speaker 2>the seventies and eighties, even though there were you know,

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<v Speaker 2>divisive political issues and divisive political figures, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that the political differences had so interacted with your personal relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was almost it was put to the side.

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<v Speaker 2>What percentage of people do you think at this point

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<v Speaker 2>on either side of the political spectrum just are so,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, intent with their beliefs that they could not

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<v Speaker 2>have a normal personal relationship with someone from the other

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<v Speaker 2>side of the political spectrum. Is there been any studies

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<v Speaker 2>done on this that you know, twenty percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>people have saying, look, I want nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who would disagree with me politically.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's actually interesting. You're actually pretty close as twenty

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<v Speaker 5>four percent. They have them studies on them, and it's

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<v Speaker 5>more than just most of people don't cite that it's

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<v Speaker 5>a political point of view. They say what you said earlier,

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<v Speaker 5>it's a value based point of view, and so it's

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<v Speaker 5>not necessarily whether they are right wing, left ring, republic democrat, whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>It's more of identified this as one of my core values,

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<v Speaker 5>and so if you can't accept this political value, they

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<v Speaker 5>actually take it as a because you won't accept this

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<v Speaker 5>political value, you're also rejecting part of my core value

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<v Speaker 5>and personality. So one of the things that they're finding

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<v Speaker 5>now is that people are taking opinions far more personalized.

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<v Speaker 5>Instead of it being a statement, you have a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of people who take it as a criticism instead of

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<v Speaker 5>a comment. And they take it very that they internalize it,

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<v Speaker 5>and so it is a big thing. And that's why

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<v Speaker 5>with these conversations, they're important conversations that even if and

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<v Speaker 5>no one likes to hear me say this, but even

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<v Speaker 5>if the conversation makes you go, this isn't going to

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<v Speaker 5>work out for the best, that's really important information to have.

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<v Speaker 5>And sometimes these conversations just lead you to another conversation

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<v Speaker 5>that helps you find common ground that you didn't know

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<v Speaker 5>you needed to find. So they're very valuable conversations to

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<v Speaker 5>have as long as they're done respectfully.

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<v Speaker 2>When I think of values, I think if if if

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<v Speaker 2>a couple meets and they talk about values, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's for me. Values mean, you know, what's your relationship

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<v Speaker 2>with your family, if you if you still have family,

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<v Speaker 2>how important is it for you to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, be in touch with your siblings, with your

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<v Speaker 2>you know, your parents, if you're lucky enough that they're

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<v Speaker 2>still alive. Because some people might say, look, I've really

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<v Speaker 2>had a bad situation, and I mean there's values there.

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<v Speaker 2>How much how much do I want to do to

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<v Speaker 2>help other people? And uh, how how many times a

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<v Speaker 2>year do I want to travel? How much am I

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who wants to save some money, or am I

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who just wants to go paid? You know, those

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<v Speaker 2>are sort of the economic values and the social values.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you get into the political values, I just

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<v Speaker 2>see that as a huge minefield and one step and

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing blows up. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>So, and that's very much it can be. Those conversations

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<v Speaker 5>very much can be if you have These are the

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<v Speaker 5>things that I've noticed when they become explosive, is the

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<v Speaker 5>person you're having a conversation with someone who sees manipulation

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<v Speaker 5>and coercion as part of a regular relationship. So that's

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<v Speaker 5>kind of a I'm not even having this conversation with

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<v Speaker 5>you because it's not a conversation. It's a manipulation, and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm trying to get you on their side. I will

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<v Speaker 5>say this though, a lot of people when they bring

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<v Speaker 5>these up, it's because they really deep down or asking

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<v Speaker 5>will we connect deeper through this or is this something

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<v Speaker 5>that's going to break us? A part A simple My

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<v Speaker 5>husband and I love to travel. He travels one way,

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<v Speaker 5>I travel another way. So we find the common ground.

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<v Speaker 5>We love to travel. We're going to go places we

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<v Speaker 5>want to go together. When you bring politics in it,

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<v Speaker 5>and you bring up economics into it, and you bring

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<v Speaker 5>all of the very divisive parts that make up the

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<v Speaker 5>different political parties, that's when, all of a sudden, it's

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<v Speaker 5>not about traveling, it's not about politics, It's about can

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<v Speaker 5>we still find common ground together?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Laura, La, I wish I had more time.

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<v Speaker 2>We're coming up on our nine o'clock news. Maybe love

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<v Speaker 2>to have you back and take some phone calls from

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<v Speaker 2>people as well, if that's possible, maybe after the election.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a book that you could refer people to.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you written a book on this at all? Or

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<v Speaker 2>you have a biology I have not.

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<v Speaker 5>I have not written a book that's published yet. It

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<v Speaker 5>is with my editor right now actually. But a great

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<v Speaker 5>place to find me. I'm on YouTube and all of

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<v Speaker 5>our social is a great place to find where I

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<v Speaker 5>talk more intently on relationships, how to navigate them communication.

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<v Speaker 2>Great. Okay, so it's Laurel like Laurel Wreath l A

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<v Speaker 2>U R E L Houston like the city of Houston.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, oh so it's h U S T O

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<v Speaker 2>N like the like the great movie producer John Houston. Right, yeah, yeah, great,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks Laurel. I'm gonna have my my folks reach back

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe get you to come in. We'll do an

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<v Speaker 2>hour and we'll take some phone calls from people. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>I think would have a great time. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>would be a fun hour. Okay, thanks so much for

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<v Speaker 2>joining us. Okay, Happy election, Happy Election Day. Thanks Laurel.