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<v Speaker 1>Hi everyone, I'm Lucretia, the International Woman of Mystery and

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<v Speaker 1>co host of The Three Whisky Happy Hour. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>a great show for you tonight. We're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>discussing tariffs and the Supreme Court's opinion on tariffs today,

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<v Speaker 1>telling Trump he can't use the IEEPA as justification for

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<v Speaker 1>his universal tariffs. It came down that Democrats were celebrating,

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<v Speaker 1>some conservatives were celebrating. Other conservatives are looking at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's not such a bad thing. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>discuss all of that and the Three Whisky Happy Hour.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you enjoy those kinds of discussions, if you

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy hearing conservatives with different points of view, different perspectives

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<v Speaker 1>coming together and having friendly disagreements about important matters within

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<v Speaker 1>the conservative movement, then I have a suggestion for you.

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<v Speaker 1>You should watch or listen to Conservative Crossroads, which is

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<v Speaker 2>He likes to disagree.

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<v Speaker 1>They hash things out on Conservative Crossroads. If you've been

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<v Speaker 3>Listen today, Why think alone when you can drink it

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<v Speaker 4>Join your bartenders Steve Hayward, John You, and the International

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<v Speaker 4>Woman of Mystery Lucretia.

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<v Speaker 2>Where they slapped it up and David h leave me

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<v Speaker 2>on the shoulder tops got to give me.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome everybody to this edition of the Three Whiskey Happy Hour.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a big day for all of us, especially

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<v Speaker 1>for our media gad fly and very famous personality, my

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<v Speaker 1>co host John Yu who has been uh lately the

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<v Speaker 1>the person go to choice for Fox News, especially for

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<v Speaker 1>the women on Outnumbered.

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<v Speaker 2>They love him. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He was on today with with what's the what's the

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<v Speaker 1>beauty Queen's name?

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you need to be which one? The blonde?

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<v Speaker 2>The lawyer, the lawyer which long lawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that you were on TV with several today.

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<v Speaker 4>So John, did you have to cancel your afternoon squash

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<v Speaker 4>game because of all this? Today?

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<v Speaker 5>I think I know this all this The Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 5>interfered with my leisure activities today. Yeah, but I was

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<v Speaker 5>on basically from when the opinion issued, which was seven

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<v Speaker 5>am my time, until about lunchtime. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And so you missed the this is a bad joke,

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<v Speaker 4>but somebody sent it to me. You missed the news

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<v Speaker 4>that McDonald's is coming out with a new sandwich. It's

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<v Speaker 4>going to be it's going to be a sandwich with

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<v Speaker 4>rabbit meat called the mcribbitt.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, now you got me excited. Actually, can I say

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<v Speaker 5>substant I actually had a new fast food thing. I

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<v Speaker 5>was at a club in San Francisco for lunch visiting

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<v Speaker 5>one of my professors from law school is eighty five

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<v Speaker 5>years old, and they had something new called a burger dog.

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<v Speaker 5>Have you ever had one of these?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I want one hamburger amy.

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<v Speaker 5>It was hamburger in the shape of a hot dog.

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<v Speaker 5>It was amazing. I'm already plotting how to get back

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<v Speaker 5>there for more. It was I'm surprised McDonald's doesn't make these. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I've actually seeing good. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not sure what a difference it makes. But okay, Well, because.

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<v Speaker 5>You got the hamburger meat, but it's in the shape

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<v Speaker 5>of a tube, so you can broad a bun, the

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<v Speaker 5>hot dog bun, put all the hot dog toppings and

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<v Speaker 5>you can eat like a hot dog and it will

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<v Speaker 5>be grilled and it's much flatter, so you get more

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<v Speaker 5>burnt surface cerea on it than a hamburger. I thought

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<v Speaker 5>about it. I analyzed why was this so good?

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<v Speaker 4>John? That's I can't believe you haven't figured out that's

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<v Speaker 4>just a halfway house to a Philly cheestick.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, there you go exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I do have to say that one of I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a hot dog fan, but the Alice Cooper's restaurant Cooper's

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<v Speaker 1>Town that was used to be right outside the baseball

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<v Speaker 2>It's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>It left during COVID unfortun But we used to love

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<v Speaker 1>when we were Phoenix going there. And I have a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of a good friend of mine, it's actually his

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<v Speaker 1>avatar on the phone and they would they had a

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<v Speaker 1>foot long hot dog and it was genuine.

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<v Speaker 2>It was on a oh rinch like a sour billy, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you call it? Yeah, but yeah, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>word I'm going people.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was like across the hot dog it was

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<v Speaker 1>like six different kinds of hot dogs. Like this one

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<v Speaker 1>was a part was a chili dog, and then this

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<v Speaker 1>one was sour kard and it was this huge, long

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<v Speaker 1>hot dog that had just mustard on part of it

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<v Speaker 1>and onions, you know that sort of thing. And I

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<v Speaker 1>would get that every once in a while, even though

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<v Speaker 1>I'd never probably order a hot dog from anywhere but

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<v Speaker 1>Dodger Stadium.

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<v Speaker 5>I have to say, the best hot dog. I'm curious

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<v Speaker 5>what you all think and crysl Lakrischi question where you

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<v Speaker 5>really are a woman of the people if you don't

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<v Speaker 5>like hot dogs. But the best hot dog I ever had,

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<v Speaker 5>I think is New York City Papaya King. How many

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<v Speaker 5>fans of Papaya King Wow, had these? And you have

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<v Speaker 5>a little sign out front, Oh there's Papaya King and

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<v Speaker 5>then there's Grace Pia. But there's so made me laugh

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<v Speaker 5>so much. The sign on the front of Papaya King

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<v Speaker 5>would say the filet mignon of hot dogs, maybe immediately suspicious.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought Sabrats was the best, best thing you could

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<v Speaker 4>get in New York, right.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh no, no, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Put papaya on their hot dogs, have.

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<v Speaker 5>Some strange juice. People from New York City grew up

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<v Speaker 5>in New York would notice too. They have the strange

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<v Speaker 5>papya drinck. I'm not sure there was any papaya, and

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<v Speaker 5>it was some kind of hoop juice. But the hot

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<v Speaker 5>dogs really long and skinny to maximize the chart grilling

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<v Speaker 5>of the hot dogs. Skin Oh okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Democrats are partying across the country and we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about hot dogs. The Democrats are holding celebrations with

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what do you celebrate? What do you

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate with if you're a Democrat?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, because.

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<v Speaker 5>Marijuana, no, no, not anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I really don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doubling up on Lafoyd Lefroy all the way down

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<v Speaker 4>to because I am so happy about this decision, believe

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<v Speaker 4>or not.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know that's a decision to be happy about.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just probably no one to be broken hearted. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's have John at least explain the basics to us.

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<v Speaker 4>What is rare?

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<v Speaker 2>A breed that's.

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<v Speaker 4>Weirdy okay, Yeah, that's that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you're labeling them celebrating liquors because now we're going

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<v Speaker 5>to be able to export bourbon to Canada again.

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<v Speaker 4>So getting angry.

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<v Speaker 2>While you're while you're getting ready to talk to now,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, congratulations to the women's team, the American

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<v Speaker 1>women's hockey team.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really know.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't watched one moment of the the Olympics except

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, highlights reels. But uh, I'm I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>excited about the women's team. About that woman, Alisa Lu,

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<v Speaker 1>the half Chinese woman, that was so awesome, especially in

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<v Speaker 1>comparison to the similar story where she decided to become

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<v Speaker 1>a Chinese spy plant and so that was wonderful. You

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't have written a better story. But now I'm to

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<v Speaker 1>understand that the American men's hockey team will be going

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<v Speaker 1>up against the Canadian men's hockey team and I might

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<v Speaker 1>actually have to watch that, so I don't think I

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<v Speaker 1>have the ability to. So anyway, we'll be cheering for

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<v Speaker 1>the men's American hockey team, and I'm hoping that it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be a route of Canada across the course.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, it's see I'm better than being the Soviet

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<v Speaker 4>Union forty six years ago.

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<v Speaker 6>These days, I think so I would have kind of

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<v Speaker 6>looked with Helena Gou, You guys would be buying my

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<v Speaker 6>idea of birthright citizenship now, because right, Lucretia's referring to.

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<v Speaker 5>The freestyle speyer who's he's born in America. But now

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<v Speaker 5>she's playing for the Chinese Olympic team and allegedly must

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<v Speaker 5>have given up her citizenship in some way or is

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<v Speaker 5>it only a Chinese citizen? So I would have thought,

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<v Speaker 5>you guys, I'd like birthright citizenship because she'd have to

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<v Speaker 5>be an American citizen and then we could try her

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<v Speaker 5>for treason.

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<v Speaker 4>But wait a minute. But by the way, John, did

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<v Speaker 4>you say Helena Goo? Is that her name? I thought

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<v Speaker 4>Helena Goho was one of our stings.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, I'm so sorry Helena. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 5>We can only hope she's not student in our natural

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<v Speaker 5>law class.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Eileen, I believe is her first name.

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<v Speaker 5>That's it. There you go, right.

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<v Speaker 4>I caught John in a rare blunder of memory because

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<v Speaker 4>he's usually got to steal from you say something interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>Democrats are celebrating it. I don't think they should be so.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, go ahead, let's have John John j just

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<v Speaker 1>give us the basics.

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<v Speaker 5>AH of the case today, learning resources versus Trump. So

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<v Speaker 5>it's interesting when I was on Fox this morning and

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<v Speaker 5>people were looking at it, they're saying fractured core, fractured court.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's not. Actually when you read the opinion, there's

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<v Speaker 5>six clear votes for I think actually a fairly modest opinion.

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<v Speaker 5>The opinion doesn't say Trump can't declare national emergency. The

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<v Speaker 5>opinion doesn't say the president doesn't run national security of

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<v Speaker 5>foreign affairs. The opinion actually has several things I think

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<v Speaker 5>everyone agree with. You know, One, Congress has the power

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<v Speaker 5>over tariffs under the Constitution. Two, Congress can delegate the

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<v Speaker 5>power over tariffs to the president. So this case is

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<v Speaker 5>only about did Congress intend in this emergency statue called

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<v Speaker 5>AIPA to delegate the power of tariffs to the president.

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<v Speaker 5>The statute gives the president the power to regulate all

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<v Speaker 5>exports and imports with foreign countries, all transactions and transmissions

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<v Speaker 5>with other countries, but it didn't say the word tariff.

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<v Speaker 5>So six justices six three conservatives, Roberts who wrote the opinion,

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<v Speaker 5>and then Gorsich and Barrett, and then the three liberals Soda, Mayor, Kagan,

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<v Speaker 5>and Jackson agreed that cause this statute didn't specifically use

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<v Speaker 5>the word tariff in this case, Congress didn't give the

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<v Speaker 5>president that power. Now, I think this is a fairly

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<v Speaker 5>limited significance practically, because, as President Trump announced in his

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<v Speaker 5>press conference today, there are other statutes which give the

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<v Speaker 5>president the power to tariff. So it just requires you

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<v Speaker 5>to take about a year to do it. And these

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<v Speaker 5>laws require you to pick country by country and explain

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<v Speaker 5>why you're targeting that country, whether it's because they're national

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<v Speaker 5>security risk, or they're engaged in unfair trade practices, or

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<v Speaker 5>tariffs on like he did before. Would be, say, countries

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<v Speaker 5>Actually, yeah, no, this is this is This gets to

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<v Speaker 5>courts have generally until Trump been favorable to presidents, which

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<v Speaker 5>in response. The court didn't get into any of that.

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<v Speaker 5>All they said today was this statute. This AEPA statute,

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<v Speaker 5>before it that it replaced, presidents Congresses have authorized president

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<v Speaker 5>to impose complete embargoes on countries. So under this law

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<v Speaker 5>North Korea, Iran. So it's weird. The court is essentially saying, well,

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<v Speaker 5>you could impose in a complete blockade and embargo on

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<v Speaker 5>a country, but you can't tax their exports to US

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<v Speaker 5>by ten percent or twenty percent so I don't think

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<v Speaker 5>that's a very plausible reading of the statue, but that's

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<v Speaker 5>what the majority wanted to do. But in the end,

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<v Speaker 1>So Steve, I know, is going to roundabout way praise

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<v Speaker 1>Roberts a little bit here. So before he does that,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do my usual thing with the dread pirate Roberts.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say he had dread powered Roberts. Sorry that two things.

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<v Speaker 1>One, John, I've already brought this up to you once

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<v Speaker 1>and you denied it, but I'm going to bring it

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<v Speaker 1>up again. You and I had a lovely conversation walking

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<v Speaker 5>I deny neither confirm nor deny that the right now.

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<v Speaker 1>This is probably two or three years ago, and and

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<v Speaker 1>we were we were talking about the probability that that

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<v Speaker 1>that he would, you know, give this side some and

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<v Speaker 1>know if maybe that's part of it. You were the

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<v Speaker 1>one who said in your Fox article that this at

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<v Speaker 1>the sales of leftists who keep claiming that somehow this

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<v Speaker 2>So I think there's something to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether that was Robert's particular motivation behind it, I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>None of us can say, really, But I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>bring up this one point to follow on what you said,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is that the court looked for every possible way,

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<v Speaker 1>the majority opinion Roberts looked for every possible way to

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<v Speaker 1>find that there was a problem with Trump's tariffs by

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<v Speaker 1>calling it attacks, so that he could in fact overturn it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me recall your attention to a case some years ago, Sibelius, where.

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<v Speaker 2>And let me get one more thing about that.

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember whom asked the Solicitor General, Well, how can

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<v Speaker 1>this not be a revenue mechanism? Because all Trump is

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<v Speaker 1>doing out there is bragging about how much revenue that's

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<v Speaker 1>bringing in, and that by definition makes it a tax,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is something that Congress has the power to

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<v Speaker 2>That's that. So they brought up the pre.

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<v Speaker 1>The political side of it, I guess the best way

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<v Speaker 1>to put it. So remember in Sibilius, in the Affordable

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<v Speaker 1>Care Act case, the Obama administration, Obama himself score over

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<v Speaker 1>and over and over again that the individual mandate was

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<v Speaker 1>not a tax.

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<v Speaker 2>It was not a tax, it was not a tax.

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<v Speaker 1>And I believe probably maybe wouldn't have been able to

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<v Speaker 1>get it past if he had admitted it was a tax.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Roberts went out of his way to do

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite and call it attacked so he could come

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to uphold. Do you think that's unfair?

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<v Speaker 4>No? No, no, So look, I you know when I

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<v Speaker 4>first saw the headlines, that started looking through it and

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<v Speaker 4>seeing what a lot of our friends were saying and

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<v Speaker 4>anticipating what you would say. It's like, well, Roberts has

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<v Speaker 4>done it again. He's you know, done fancy footwork to

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<v Speaker 4>read a certain way. And I'll add one more detail

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<v Speaker 4>about the Sabelias case affordable care at case John.

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<v Speaker 5>Type of a quieter by the way, I'm typing, can

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<v Speaker 5>you believe what Lucretia just said?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but look, I mean, I remember the day that

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<v Speaker 4>decision came down. I remember hearing the agregious Jeff Rosen

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<v Speaker 4>of John Marshall and the way he twistified things in

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<v Speaker 4>Marbury versus Madison, and so, by the way, in an

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<v Speaker 4>in a text chain, Lucretia, that or both of you,

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<v Speaker 4>it would have been better if Roberts had had gorseus

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<v Speaker 4>right to the majority opinion and not him doing it,

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<v Speaker 4>because it's just the lightning run now for the whether

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<v Speaker 4>he bends to political pressure. Except then I started noticing

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<v Speaker 4>that maybe Roberts decided to write the opinion himself because

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<v Speaker 4>And what that did was flesh out the three women

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<v Speaker 4>we don't want to know. We don't need the Major

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<v Speaker 4>Questions Doctrine. Why would they say that, because the Major

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<v Speaker 4>Questions Doctrine, which emerged two years ago now in that

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<v Speaker 5>To confused, John, you knew you were going to work

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<v Speaker 4>The Bear Keen Act. That's it, Keen Bear Act, whatever

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<v Speaker 4>it is. The point is is that the Major Questions

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<v Speaker 4>because that is the thing that is going to unravel.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, it gets back to the whole

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<v Speaker 4>climate thing from last week. John, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 4>Trump's move may hold up, but there's been talked previously

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<v Speaker 4>under Biden. It will come back. If we get President Newsom,

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<v Speaker 4>there's gonna be pressure to declare a climate emergency, and

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<v Speaker 4>one of the remedies would be a border adjustment tax,

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<v Speaker 4>a tariff on China and India and other countries that

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<v Speaker 4>on AIPA but also the larger doctrine of the Major

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<v Speaker 4>Questions Act just laid a roadblock in the way of

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<v Speaker 4>that happening three four years ago or ten years from now,

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<v Speaker 4>whatever it is. So maybe Roberts has been clever after all,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, all right, we're gonna throw shade at

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<v Speaker 4>him and beat him up for it. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 4>that's something that after a couple of hours, I thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>And I think you Roberts screwed up again. Well really

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<v Speaker 5>one on the logic that he if you remember Sabelius,

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<v Speaker 5>which Lucretia brought up, his main point was the tax.

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<v Speaker 5>There was a tax, and the taxing power is essentially

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<v Speaker 5>not limited by subject matter and not a regulation. Ah okay.

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<v Speaker 5>And he said the reason why was because taxes are

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<v Speaker 5>just there to raise money. They're not there to regulate

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<v Speaker 5>policy purposes. Everyone knows taxes can do that. For example,

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<v Speaker 5>if you wanted to. But Roberts says those aren't taxes.

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<v Speaker 5>Those are not there to raise revenue. That's what he's

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<v Speaker 5>trying to do here. But I think he's wrong because

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<v Speaker 5>his argument essentially is this just like Sabellius, because these

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<v Speaker 5>tariffs are like taxes, they're not really regulations. But the

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<v Speaker 5>whole point of these tariffs is to manage our foreign

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<v Speaker 5>They're not just to raise money. I think Roberts is

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<v Speaker 5>quite wrong about that. I don't think I don't think

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<v Speaker 5>Roberts was I think Roberts just like actually is arguing

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<v Speaker 5>the second point in large paint I think Roberts really

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<v Speaker 5>screwed up here is if you're like Steve and you

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<v Speaker 5>care about the Major Questions doctrine because you think somehow

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<v Speaker 5>don't know. He produces more or less particles. That's what

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<v Speaker 5>he's obsessed with. So Roberts actually divided the coalition on

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<v Speaker 5>the Major Questions doctrine here that part of the opinion

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<v Speaker 5>only gets three votes. Right, So Roberts said in the

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<v Speaker 5>opinion the Major Questions Doctrine which is as Steve described,

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<v Speaker 5>it means that we won't allow cop we won't infer

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<v Speaker 5>in a vague statue that Congress meant to transfer this

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<v Speaker 5>fast power. So if they wanted to give Tariff's power,

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<v Speaker 5>they should have said tariff. Notice that the three Liberals,

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<v Speaker 5>of course, were never going to agree to that. But

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<v Speaker 5>he also lost Kavanaugh, Thomas, and Alito on that too.

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<v Speaker 5>They also believe the Major Questions doctrine doesn't apply. So

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<v Speaker 5>Roberts actually succeeded in narrowing the scope of a Major

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<v Speaker 5>If they could stick together, they could really roll up

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<v Speaker 5>Question doctrine. And maybe, you know, maybe Lucretia thinks, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't interrupt you, but all I want to say

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<v Speaker 1>is it's actually a little bit more subtle than that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's look as if he's giving Trump a loss that

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<v Speaker 2>Important to him.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, I will for just for once,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not necessarily taking the dread coward Roberts side on this,

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<v Speaker 1>but there has been so many very partisan and almost

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous attacks on the court that I'm not sure that

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<v Speaker 2>Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 1>And if the Democrats are stupid enough to believe that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe Roberts has the freedom on some more important things.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, the only thing I would say about the

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<v Speaker 5>much executive power. You know. It's actually very minimal and

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<v Speaker 5>really portrays itself as a very narrow decision. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>have all the usual language you see in these Roberts opinions.

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<v Speaker 5>This are grandiose opinions trying really hard to be like

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<v Speaker 5>Chief Justice Marshall, but always failing.

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<v Speaker 4>John, Are you playing with a fidget spinner or something?

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for hearing his crunching noises without the thing

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<v Speaker 4>you're playing with in your hand.

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<v Speaker 5>This is this is what I do when you start

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<v Speaker 5>talking about the environment and all there keep the particle

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<v Speaker 5>levels of certain pollutants down.

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<v Speaker 1>One last technical question for you, John, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>people will be interested and tell me if my understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of this is wrong, which it probably is, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is that because of those other statutes which Trump could

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<v Speaker 1>use to, I guess, reimpose tariff's under different under different justifications,

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<v Speaker 1>what happens with the paying back the money that he

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<v Speaker 1>has raised with TERA so far? So what I understand

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<v Speaker 1>is they would say they didn't speak to it. Cavanaugh

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<v Speaker 1>did in his but they didn't speak to it. So

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<v Speaker 1>that goes back to lower courts to decide people have

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<v Speaker 1>to sue to get their money.

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<v Speaker 2>It could take years. I don't know the exact way

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<v Speaker 2>it would work. That's why it's you know on.

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<v Speaker 5>This is never This has never really happened before, so

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<v Speaker 5>there's no pre existing refund system usually these cases. By

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<v Speaker 5>the way, I do teach trade law because I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know from my sins at Berkeley, they don't let me

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<v Speaker 5>teach constitutional all the time, so I have had to

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<v Speaker 5>teach this and so usually when this happens, it's like

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<v Speaker 5>an individual product and an individual importer, and it's easy

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<v Speaker 5>to figure out how to refund to that person, that importer.

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<v Speaker 5>But we've never had a case where, you know, this

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<v Speaker 5>level of tariffs economy wide have been struck down, so

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<v Speaker 5>this is not unusual. Though the Supreme Court just said

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<v Speaker 5>the Trump adminstration is wrong, and then it's going to

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<v Speaker 5>be up to the lower courts to figure out how

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<v Speaker 5>to construct what we think of what we call remedy

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<v Speaker 5>the reef, which could be a refund process. It may

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<v Speaker 5>be that a lot of people who paid more for

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<v Speaker 5>the goods than they normally would have because the tariffs

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<v Speaker 5>aren't going to get any relief at all. It's very

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<v Speaker 5>hard to see how consumers would get any kind of refund.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe import companies, you know, maybe companies that paid more

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<v Speaker 5>for raw materials they use in their products, if they

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<v Speaker 5>kept track, they might you could, I don't know. You

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<v Speaker 5>could also see a lower court saying it's too hard

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<v Speaker 5>to figure out. We're just going to create what we

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<v Speaker 5>call forward looking prospective relief well, which is that we

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<v Speaker 5>won't allow the tarffs to continue, but we can't figure

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<v Speaker 5>out how to do a refund, so we're just not

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<v Speaker 5>going to have what we call retrospective backward looking relief.

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<v Speaker 5>We could run a lot of people the wrong way.

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<v Speaker 5>But it might just be too hard for the lower

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<v Speaker 5>courts to figure out.

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<v Speaker 4>I keep channeling the great Paul Dooley and breaking away

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<v Speaker 4>that almost fifty year old movie Refund Refund. You don't

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<v Speaker 4>know that movie, John, It's it's about the bicycle racer

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<v Speaker 4>in Bloomington, Indiana.

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<v Speaker 5>Anyway, everything he just said is a reason not to

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<v Speaker 5>watch the movie. Oh no, it's a classic movie, Bicycle

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<v Speaker 5>Riders in Bloomington, Indiana.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know that was a hard Actually the rider

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<v Speaker 4>of that movie is long passed away. But he was

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<v Speaker 4>an American spectator guy when a spectator was based in Bloomington.

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<v Speaker 4>So really, wow, see things you don't know because you're

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<v Speaker 4>too young and call well. But I did enjoy Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 4>Warren Day saying, you know, there should be a refund.

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<v Speaker 4>It should go for the people who are you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the middle class people who are hurt by the tariffs.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, oh, you'd be kind of like Trump's

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<v Speaker 4>proposed two thousand dollars rebate to Americans for the revenue race.

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<v Speaker 4>But okay, let's just go do that. The whole thing

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<v Speaker 4>is hilarious to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say, yeah, I agree, but you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>the one thing here's so Trump gets around this, and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to compare that for a moment, because one

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<v Speaker 1>of the supposedly compelling moments was when one of the

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<v Speaker 1>justices asked the Solicitor General would this if we were

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<v Speaker 1>to ruin Trump's favor on the tariffs, would this mean

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<v Speaker 1>that a future president could create a climate emergency? And

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly the Solicitor General had to say yes. The point

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<v Speaker 1>of the matter is they would do it anyway. And

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<v Speaker 1>my best example for that is what happened when Biden

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<v Speaker 1>was told he couldn't do student loan refunds.

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<v Speaker 2>So, so that being said, I'm going to change the subject.

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<v Speaker 2>Unless you guys have more to say.

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<v Speaker 5>On your point in cretia, the court does not reach

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<v Speaker 5>that question. There's a lot of conservative commentators out there saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>this was very important so that the left couldn't declare

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<v Speaker 5>a climate change emergency. The decision does not address this

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<v Speaker 5>question about what's an emergency or whether Trump was an

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<v Speaker 5>error for declaring an emergency. Now, it basically says, assuming

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<v Speaker 5>there's an emergency, you still can't do this. So this

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<v Speaker 5>idea that has any influence on future presidents declaring it

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<v Speaker 5>preventing them from declaring climate change emergency. It's just not

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<v Speaker 5>born out by you just have to read the opinion.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't say that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, can I just one more observation on the politics

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<v Speaker 4>of it, how it fell out today, So you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Trump didn't do a rage tweet on true social It

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<v Speaker 4>took three hours and it came out in his press conference. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 4>he huddled with advisors and lawyers who said, look, you

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<v Speaker 4>have always fallback provisions that can be used, and and

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<v Speaker 4>of course the media and there was oh it isn't

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<v Speaker 4>Trump terrible? He saying mean things.

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<v Speaker 2>About patiotics, Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 4>All the rest of that.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, know, you guys think that was over the top.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll be honest and I don't think.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a that's true. Okay, yes, stipulate that. However, again

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<v Speaker 4>the media asymmetries.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>I ran back, as I always do to Franklin Roosevelt

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<v Speaker 4>a cress conference in nineteen thirty five after the Scheckter case.

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<v Speaker 4>Now quickly for listeners, the Scheckter case was the nine

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<v Speaker 4>zero decision nine zero, meaning the liberal justices ruled against

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<v Speaker 4>Roosevelt for his signature New Deal initiative. The National Recovery Act,

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<v Speaker 4>which essentially was a government takeover of the whole economy.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was that completely idiotic idea, and in fact,

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<v Speaker 4>there's no official transcript, but it was recorded. There was

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<v Speaker 4>laughter in the courtroom, and how preposterous the government's defense

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<v Speaker 4>of this was so nine zero. What did Roosevelt do?

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<v Speaker 4>He raised against the courts at much longer length than

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<v Speaker 4>Trump did today, taking us back to the horse and

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<v Speaker 4>buggy era. He made arguments that paralleled Trump's in some

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<v Speaker 4>ways in different circumstances. That was about near state commerce

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<v Speaker 4>and the fifty state, the forty eight states that.

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<v Speaker 5>Would run wild and so work.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, was there any press criticism of FDR attack,

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<v Speaker 4>Of course there was not. Right now, the most judicious

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<v Speaker 4>historians like James McGregor Burns said, the court did Roosevelt

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<v Speaker 4>a huge favor by striking down that idiotic piece of

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<v Speaker 4>New Deal policy, because he would never been able to

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<v Speaker 4>get his way out of it for a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 4>of reasons. And I won't say it's quite the same here,

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<v Speaker 4>but the fact that now we're going to go back

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<v Speaker 4>to applying well established trade powers much more clearly specified.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, John, you mentioned Section two one three, one, two,

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<v Speaker 4>three two, all the others. Trump can do almost everything

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<v Speaker 4>he wanted to do, with some limitations that I think

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<v Speaker 4>he can deal with for all the things he wants

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<v Speaker 4>to do, is my guess. For example, my first thought was, well,

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<v Speaker 4>there goes threats of tariffs against India for buying Russian oil.

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<v Speaker 4>But maybe not. And by the way, all the people

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<v Speaker 4>say Trump is too soft on Russia, there was a

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<v Speaker 4>very effective and powerful thing against Russia which the court

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<v Speaker 4>theoretically was taking away today. So it's anyway, I'll just

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<v Speaker 4>stop there. It's a sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me just ask do those agreements go by the wayside?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they have to go on the wayside an agreement? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that would seem to me to take it completely if

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<v Speaker 1>there's an agreement on some so he imposes these tariffs

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<v Speaker 1>and then walks them back when he gets an agreement,

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<v Speaker 1>do those agreements have to go by the wayside?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't know. I mean it could be in

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<v Speaker 4>a case of India saying yeah, okay, we won't buy

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<v Speaker 4>Russians day right, well, a few days ago, but who

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<v Speaker 4>knows what you know? Trump days are in dog hears right.

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<v Speaker 4>The only question now is if India says well, gosh,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe we go back to buying Russia. Well, because you

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<v Speaker 4>can't slap us with a thread of a tariff. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know, but those the agreement of India is probably

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<v Speaker 4>a fay of complete so I think it's probably fine.

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<v Speaker 4>But still it's interesting to ponder again the confusion and

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<v Speaker 4>the hypocrisy of the left on this.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's all seems like the right seems pretty confused

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<v Speaker 1>these days too, except John.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course.

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<v Speaker 5>I just think it's a mistake to attack the corn

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<v Speaker 5>the way he did because the court has been so

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<v Speaker 5>far very favorable to Trump white issues. And you know this,

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<v Speaker 5>He's got a lot of important pending cases like the

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<v Speaker 5>ability to fire the heads of commissions, ability to fire

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<v Speaker 5>maybe the members of the Federal Reserve Board, the ability

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<v Speaker 5>to end the use of racing districting, and so on.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a lot of really important business he has for court.

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<v Speaker 5>So I wouldn't say things like I think the three

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<v Speaker 5>courts being influenced by foreign nefarious interests and things like this. Well, John,

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<v Speaker 5>here isn't there You're cringing because you still got a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of things you want to win on at the court.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, well, you made a very good point today John,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think you've made here, which is this blows

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<v Speaker 4>up the talking point that the Court is in the

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<v Speaker 4>bag Ford fromp on everything right.

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<v Speaker 5>Or we're living under or we're living under this authoritarian

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<v Speaker 5>government and the end of constitution on all this, you know, sir,

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<v Speaker 5>well exaggeration.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, one last one, last little comment. So earlier in

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<v Speaker 4>the week, I think I sent the link to you guys,

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<v Speaker 4>there was Jeffrey Tubin, he of the famous Tuban missile crisis,

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<v Speaker 4>as I call it.

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<v Speaker 5>I never heard that before.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't listen to you.

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<v Speaker 4>He had this article in the New York Times that was,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, a liberal alternative to originalism. And I read

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<v Speaker 4>the article and there was no theory, just said we

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<v Speaker 4>should just oppost Trump and we want justices who oppost Trump. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>after the day, that lame talking points kind of blown up.

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<v Speaker 1>But that that kind of brings us to an interesting point,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is that it's I hate to say it

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<v Speaker 1>like this, but if the left didn't have standards, so

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<v Speaker 1>they're all in favor of the Supreme Court when it's

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<v Speaker 1>against Trump and they're celebrating out there. But one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that Steve and I said we were going

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss was a recent commentary by the egregiously awful

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<v Speaker 1>Susan Rice, She of the lying, uh dissembling fame, who said,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, guess what, when we get back in power,

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<v Speaker 1>and we will meeting Democrats and when we take over

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<v Speaker 1>this country again, we're going to undo everything, not only

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<v Speaker 1>undo everything that Trump did in terms of DEI et cetera,

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<v Speaker 1>but we are going to make people pay. We are

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<v Speaker 1>going to uh what did she What were the actual

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<v Speaker 1>words that she used, Steve John?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you read something about, you know, accountability for corporate America?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>And I think and ooka. I think she's responding to

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<v Speaker 4>two specific things. So there's two headlines from the Wall

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<v Speaker 4>Street Journal this week. One is Goldman Sachs plans to

642
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<v Speaker 4>scrap DEI criteria for its board. You may know that

643
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<v Speaker 4>California passed the law, and I don't remember. I know

644
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<v Speaker 4>it was challenging and that maybe it was stuck down.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't remember where it stands John, but they were

646
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<v Speaker 4>going to mandate it's still the lower courts. Okay, Well, well,

647
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<v Speaker 4>the law they passed was you have to diversity on

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<v Speaker 4>your corporate boards in California corporations. So and then the

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<v Speaker 4>other hand line a couple of days later, also the

650
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<v Speaker 4>Wall Street Journal DEI rules that change corporate boards are vanishing.

651
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<v Speaker 4>I think when Goldman Sacks says we're not doing this anymore,

652
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<v Speaker 4>and other corporations are following suit, and so Susan Rice

653
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<v Speaker 4>comes along and she's essentially sending a missile at all

654
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<v Speaker 4>these companies saying, don't you dare, because we're going to

655
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<v Speaker 4>come after you in three years if we're back in power.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is a part of a larger story, which

657
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<v Speaker 4>is they're digging in for the long haul.

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<v Speaker 5>They're going to ground.

659
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<v Speaker 4>They're not going away. The people I mean, I celebrate

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<v Speaker 4>vibe shifts and point to things like these headlines, but

661
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:41.960
<v Speaker 4>the left is not gonna go quietly here. We have

662
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<v Speaker 4>not won anything. The people who think just because Trump

663
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<v Speaker 4>won in twenty twenty four and he's going hard after

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<v Speaker 4>these things that we've won are making the same mistake

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<v Speaker 4>that we made in nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety ninety

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<v Speaker 4>one and thinking the defeat of the Soviet Union meant

667
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<v Speaker 4>that we had defeated leftism, and they went to ground

668
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<v Speaker 4>then the nineties and now it's worse than ever. Same

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<v Speaker 4>thing is going to happen now if we don't double

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<v Speaker 4>down on going after the heart.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess the point really quickly, John. The point

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<v Speaker 1>I would was trying to. The additional point I was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make, is we actually have a final say

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<v Speaker 1>from the Supreme Court on this issue of dei and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, preferences on the basis of race and so on.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it, maybe when it comes to corporation is

677
00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:31.719
<v Speaker 1>not completely final. But the official position of the United

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<v Speaker 1>States Supreme Court now and the official reading of civil

679
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<v Speaker 1>rights law, the fourteenth Amendment, is that you do not

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<v Speaker 1>discriminate on the basis of race at all. And in

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<v Speaker 1>other words, you know, color blind approach to the question

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<v Speaker 1>of racial discrimination.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is it that? Go ahead? Yeah, go ahead, John Well.

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<v Speaker 5>I wish I could be as optimistic, I guess is

685
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<v Speaker 5>how i'd say it, because I think you're right. Of course,

686
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<v Speaker 5>the Supreme Court has said that the government cannot use

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<v Speaker 5>race now in any circumstance.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

689
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<v Speaker 5>The Harvard case was important because strangely, the court which

690
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:14.039
<v Speaker 5>had struck down these race in all these areas had left. Strangely,

691
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<v Speaker 5>emissions and hiring and higher education is the last major

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<v Speaker 5>area except for voting rights, which I think we're going

693
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:23.039
<v Speaker 5>to see struck down this year too, But it left

694
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<v Speaker 5>that is really the only area where the government could

695
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:28.360
<v Speaker 5>explicitly use race to make decisions. So I agree with

696
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<v Speaker 5>you that at the top the message has gone out,

697
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<v Speaker 5>But I think DEI is so deeply ingrained in all

698
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<v Speaker 5>these institutions, is going to be trench warfare for ten years.

699
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<v Speaker 5>I wish there were a vibe shift, and I wish

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<v Speaker 5>that right companies and universities are going to voluntarily uproot

701
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:48.519
<v Speaker 5>these DEI programs before people have to sue them one

702
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:50.599
<v Speaker 5>by one. But I hate to say, it reminds me

703
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<v Speaker 5>of the effort to stop brown versus border with education

704
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:56.440
<v Speaker 5>in the South. You know, the Southern has called it

705
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:59.760
<v Speaker 5>massive resistance. Gosh, that seems to me still to be

706
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<v Speaker 5>what going on in universities today. I mean, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 5>see some reports here and there of schools like the

708
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<v Speaker 5>University of Texas, I think, aggressively trying to get rid,

709
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<v Speaker 5>But most universities haven't changed a thing.

710
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<v Speaker 2>They just called it something else.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they's called something or I don't think at Berkeley

712
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:19.480
<v Speaker 5>they've changed anything. We still have diversity offices and diversity

713
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:23.800
<v Speaker 5>programs and diversity still statements and consideration and hiring and promotions.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sure the emissions proportions by race are going to

715
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<v Speaker 5>be look roughly the same as they always have. I

716
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<v Speaker 5>just think it's going to take years of trench warfare

717
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:36.480
<v Speaker 5>to get to uproot it. I wish it could be

718
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<v Speaker 5>done by a vibe shift.

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<v Speaker 1>Can it be done by that that civil suit that

720
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<v Speaker 1>our friend encouraged us to be thinking about? Could I

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<v Speaker 1>could I bring a civil suit against my university for

722
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<v Speaker 1>all the areas I know?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I assume that's I assume that's why they're trying

724
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<v Speaker 5>to get rid of you before.

725
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:55.079
<v Speaker 2>You They don't have to.

726
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<v Speaker 1>I quit, John, I put in my respirement paperwork.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm done soon anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but I get that. But the bigger question is

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with everything you said. Has there been a

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<v Speaker 1>vibe shift amongst the American people? And if if it's

731
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:19.239
<v Speaker 1>a fight once the Democrats sneak their way back into

732
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:23.159
<v Speaker 1>office because Mitch McConnell is so brain dead, his stupid

733
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:25.719
<v Speaker 1>ass staff is running things and the same act won't

734
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:28.079
<v Speaker 1>go to a filibuster on the floor and it doesn't

735
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<v Speaker 1>get passed in the Democrats cheek from now until doomsday

736
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:35.760
<v Speaker 1>and pretend that, as a result of their electoral victory,

737
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<v Speaker 1>the American people really want DEI back.

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<v Speaker 5>Detective Vibe successful. Why do you detective vibe ship? I mean,

739
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:48.119
<v Speaker 5>did you see the halftime super Bowl show? You know?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I don't know, or these the what the

741
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<v Speaker 5>Grammy Award? You know, the sort of culture watch telling me,

742
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:59.119
<v Speaker 5>you know is upstream of politics. I don't know if

743
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:00.880
<v Speaker 5>there's a vibe shift happening there yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know either that.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's confine us just slightly. The super Bowl halftime show

746
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:11.480
<v Speaker 4>had the largest fall off in the people viewing of

747
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<v Speaker 4>any halftime show in super Bowl history. So I don't

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00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:16.920
<v Speaker 4>know if that was turning point having a thing or

749
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:18.639
<v Speaker 4>people saying, you know, I'm just gonna do something else

750
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:20.280
<v Speaker 4>because I don't want to see this in Spanish? And

751
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:23.480
<v Speaker 4>how did I end up on Univision instead of NBC. Okay,

752
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:26.960
<v Speaker 4>but let's look at one particular subset of this. So

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<v Speaker 4>we're talking about DEI on campuses. There is the whole

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<v Speaker 4>gen transgenderism business. And so I think we already mentioned

755
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<v Speaker 4>you've had the first significant malpractice case settled, and I've

756
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.400
<v Speaker 4>been saying for five years it's a trial lawyers who

757
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:42.119
<v Speaker 4>might end this, although there is a problem there of

758
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:44.840
<v Speaker 4>statutes of limitations might bar some suits and we'll just

759
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:48.199
<v Speaker 4>have to see how that plays out. And a lot

760
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:50.920
<v Speaker 4>of more medical groups here and abroad saying we're not

761
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:54.960
<v Speaker 4>doing this anymore. And then, but here's the important thing

762
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<v Speaker 4>I am. I try to keep up with some of

763
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:02.760
<v Speaker 4>the smarter progressives like Josh Barrow. Megan mccardial wouldn't say

764
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:07.440
<v Speaker 4>she's aggressive, but Ben Ben Dreyfus is Richard Dreyfus's son,

765
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:11.159
<v Speaker 4>has a pretty interesting substack and commentary, and he's a liberal.

766
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:14.159
<v Speaker 4>But the point is they're all saying this is crazy,

767
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:18.559
<v Speaker 4>it went too far. Why can't Democrats say we screwed

768
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:21.480
<v Speaker 4>up and we're not going to insist on women boys

769
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:24.519
<v Speaker 4>and women's sports. There's huge resistance to that, but the

770
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:27.280
<v Speaker 4>smarter ones are saying, let's not do that again. So

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00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:28.960
<v Speaker 4>the big question to me is, if they do win

772
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:31.880
<v Speaker 4>the election twenty twenty eight, are they gonna go full

773
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:34.280
<v Speaker 4>speed ahead of what they were doing under Biden? And

774
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<v Speaker 4>I think that's an open question. It's gonna be. Is

775
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:39.920
<v Speaker 4>it gonna be like Clinton in ninety two? Remember Clinton

776
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.880
<v Speaker 4>saying we don't need a distance this ourselves from Jesse Jackson.

777
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.840
<v Speaker 4>We need to disagree with Jesse Jackson, who just died

778
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:49.159
<v Speaker 4>a few days ago, right, which Clinton did spectacularly. Is

779
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:51.599
<v Speaker 4>there gonna be a Democrat who was a sister Soldier

780
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:55.320
<v Speaker 4>moment with all the identitarians and the Democratic Party. I

781
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:56.880
<v Speaker 4>think that's what they need to do to win and

782
00:41:56.920 --> 00:41:58.719
<v Speaker 4>govern successfully. And so.

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<v Speaker 2>When the primary, well, I don't know that's right.

784
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<v Speaker 4>It could be yeah, well, I I won't truss that,

785
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:08.320
<v Speaker 4>but that's the question.

786
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<v Speaker 5>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know the answer to it. You know,

788
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.159
<v Speaker 1>where Michael Lee and I going back and forth about Virginia.

789
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:18.719
<v Speaker 1>But Virginia really was an odd sort of situation, and

790
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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what will happen as things go to Arizonas

791
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:26.679
<v Speaker 1>are pushing back against their ridiculously stupid valley girl governor

792
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.360
<v Speaker 1>woke for aggressive governor, yep, you know. And and I

793
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:33.440
<v Speaker 1>think we'll see something happening there Virginia.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, too many people were I'll just leave it alone.

795
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:40.760
<v Speaker 1>But but how about this one gender affirming care for minors.

796
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<v Speaker 1>I can't even believe I used that term that in

797
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:47.960
<v Speaker 1>the just in the last few weeks, you are seeing

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<v Speaker 1>hospitals stop the practice. Uh, and so and and people

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<v Speaker 1>less and less on the left, not the far left,

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<v Speaker 1>but less and less left to me being willing to

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<v Speaker 1>defend it, at least for children. I saw a state

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<v Speaker 1>legislator somewhere today said that she had introduced a bill

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<v Speaker 1>that would make the a parent who does some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of gender affirming care to a minor in a custody battle,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be determined as child abuse. And so it

806
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:26.679
<v Speaker 1>would be the case that the other parent would get

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<v Speaker 1>custody because the parent affirming the gender affirming care would

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<v Speaker 1>be accused of child abuse. So there is a change.

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<v Speaker 1>People are no longer afraid to come out and say.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, by the way, when some trans nazi.

811
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<v Speaker 1>Who's married his cousin decides to go crazy on it,

812
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:50.960
<v Speaker 1>people are looking at that everybody but the mainstream media

813
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 1>and saying, this is we got to do something here, folks,

814
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<v Speaker 1>We got to do something about this. There's got to

815
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<v Speaker 1>be some that We had to talk John really quickly.

816
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<v Speaker 1>We had to talk a few some episodes ago. And

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<v Speaker 1>you said, why doesn't somebody do a study about the

818
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<v Speaker 1>ratio of transgender mass murderers to the to data and

819
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<v Speaker 1>and I said, the end is too small, But the

820
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<v Speaker 1>end keeps getting bigger. There's been three of them since

821
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<v Speaker 1>you and I had that conversation. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what the actual percentage of transgender persons in the population is,

823
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<v Speaker 1>but it's infinitesimally small, whereas the number of mass murders

824
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<v Speaker 1>is not much larger.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just leave it at that.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you guys think, Well, I've seen some of

827
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<v Speaker 4>those numbers too, and I'm trying to master them. And well,

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<v Speaker 4>there's three or four levels of this, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to run ahead of the data, right

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<v Speaker 4>because I'm not much of a social scientist. One is

831
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<v Speaker 4>you have to break down people who are a caught

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<v Speaker 4>up by a contagion, right, you know, the it's like

833
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.480
<v Speaker 4>said this a couple episodes ago. This is like anorexia

834
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<v Speaker 4>thirty years ago, where suddenly you're this epidemic of anorexia

835
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<v Speaker 4>among young women that wasn't really a medical condition. It

836
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<v Speaker 4>was spread by the precursion of social media. Right, So

837
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<v Speaker 4>while that's going on. Second, people who really do have

838
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<v Speaker 4>serious psychological problems, I think this is going to fix it.

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<v Speaker 4>And then third, I think the really open question is

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<v Speaker 4>are some of these aggressive hormone treatments actually making people

841
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<v Speaker 4>like steroids do. We've known for a long time that steroids, steroids,

842
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<v Speaker 4>especially for young bodybuilders, turns a certain number of them

843
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<v Speaker 4>to be very aggressive and violent. And I don't know

844
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.440
<v Speaker 4>that that's been studied. That's the kind of thing that I.

845
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:45.400
<v Speaker 7>Said, no, no, no, no, no no, although that's figured right,

846
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:48.239
<v Speaker 7>you get the point, right, as you know, I bet

847
00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:50.840
<v Speaker 7>that issue has been deliberately avoided.

848
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:52.960
<v Speaker 4>By the medical community because of what they might find

849
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:53.920
<v Speaker 4>that would be disturbing.

850
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:57.199
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you guys can't say this, but I can. I

851
00:45:57.519 --> 00:45:59.400
<v Speaker 2>of course refuse.

852
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:04.360
<v Speaker 1>To acknowledge that that female male hormones have anything to do.

853
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:06.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, you need to be studying no matter what

854
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:10.840
<v Speaker 1>the circumstances are. But we do know that the whole

855
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:16.440
<v Speaker 1>idea of female hormones is very much related to women

856
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:17.360
<v Speaker 1>being bitchy.

857
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:19.079
<v Speaker 2>How to believe it that?

858
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:19.360
<v Speaker 4>Right?

859
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:20.840
<v Speaker 2>At certain times?

860
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:22.079
<v Speaker 5>I know, I've.

861
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:26.199
<v Speaker 2>Is normal.

862
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Natural hormonal changes cause behavioral changes. Imagine what you're doing

863
00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:37.480
<v Speaker 1>to someone if you're pumping them full of artificial hormones.

864
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:40.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just you know, you don't even have

865
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:43.000
<v Speaker 2>to have the scientific background to think that one through.

866
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:46.920
<v Speaker 5>I guess I feel somewhat like I did on the

867
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:51.159
<v Speaker 5>question of DEI sometimes I worry that you know, we're

868
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:55.199
<v Speaker 5>getting that there's too much triumphalism. I'm not so sure

869
00:46:55.440 --> 00:47:00.679
<v Speaker 5>that this is over. Basically, what the Supreme Court has done,

870
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.239
<v Speaker 5>as it did with abortions, returned this question to the states.

871
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:07.119
<v Speaker 5>And there are states that govern a large number of

872
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.719
<v Speaker 5>people in this country which still have very extreme policies,

873
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:14.360
<v Speaker 5>like California and New York, right, two of the four

874
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:16.800
<v Speaker 5>largest states, and probably I don't know Illinois. I bet

875
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.119
<v Speaker 5>Illinois with them too. So three of the five largest

876
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:23.760
<v Speaker 5>states in the country probably have not changed and have

877
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:27.440
<v Speaker 5>not had a vibe shift. So I wonder whether you

878
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.800
<v Speaker 5>know there have been signs of a turnaround. But it's

879
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:35.159
<v Speaker 5>not I unfortunately think that it's not that the country

880
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:36.760
<v Speaker 5>has fully come to its census yet.

881
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:41.199
<v Speaker 1>No, but there is a possibility that it strips moving

882
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:41.920
<v Speaker 1>in that direction.

883
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:43.159
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm hoping for.

884
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:46.599
<v Speaker 1>I agree with you, John, I I just choose to

885
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:48.559
<v Speaker 1>be optimistic on something that important.

886
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:51.079
<v Speaker 2>Now the food pyramid that they turned out to be

887
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:51.599
<v Speaker 2>so wrong.

888
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:54.159
<v Speaker 1>The whole point of all of this is you add

889
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:57.280
<v Speaker 1>the food pyramid, you had a gender firming care you

890
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:00.719
<v Speaker 1>ad what happened with COVID. You add the climate change

891
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:04.119
<v Speaker 1>vibe shift that one. You have to at the very

892
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:09.159
<v Speaker 1>least say that from a completely publicity point of view.

893
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:13.519
<v Speaker 1>Everybody's pretending like they never actually believed that the Earth

894
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:15.960
<v Speaker 1>was gonna end in ten years if we didn't ban

895
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:20.199
<v Speaker 1>all fossil fuels. They're all, oh, well, you know, they're

896
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:23.360
<v Speaker 1>equivocating and so on. My point to all of this is,

897
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:27.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm never gonna believe a damn scientist ever again, as

898
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:28.039
<v Speaker 1>long as I live.

899
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:29.360
<v Speaker 2>That's all there is too.

900
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna throw a dart

901
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:33.920
<v Speaker 1>at the wall and say that it makes as much

902
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:36.760
<v Speaker 1>sense to me as anything. I'm not gonna believe a doctor.

903
00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:40.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna believe a scientist. I'm just gonna do

904
00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:43.199
<v Speaker 1>what makes sense. Because they all lie, they all dissemble,

905
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:45.519
<v Speaker 1>and they all do it for political reasons. There's my

906
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:53.199
<v Speaker 1>sermon for the night, and look there's speechless, guys, there's speechless.

907
00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:57.800
<v Speaker 4>Well, there's parts of that we can't touch for reasons

908
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:02.400
<v Speaker 4>John already articulated or reticulator or something I don't know.

909
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:07.519
<v Speaker 1>And for financial Oh yeah, I saw a thing that

910
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:12.239
<v Speaker 1>there's a doctor. I think it's in Washington State. Who

911
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:14.599
<v Speaker 1>is doing I can't even say this word out loud.

912
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:21.039
<v Speaker 1>Five vagino plasties. Sorry, this is a family show, I know,

913
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:23.360
<v Speaker 1>but I don't know what else to call it. A

914
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:29.760
<v Speaker 1>week on on state prisoners in the state prison system

915
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:33.679
<v Speaker 1>being paid to do you know, one hundreds of thousands

916
00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:39.039
<v Speaker 1>of dollars per surgery to do those gender transition surgeries

917
00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:40.280
<v Speaker 1>on prisoners.

918
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:43.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and and in ten years from now they'll be

919
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:47.559
<v Speaker 4>suing for an Eighth Amendment violation, right.

920
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:49.000
<v Speaker 2>And I'll laugh about it.

921
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:56.519
<v Speaker 1>All right, we're getting close to the end. Guys, what's

922
00:49:56.519 --> 00:49:58.519
<v Speaker 1>your last word on the subject today.

923
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:01.280
<v Speaker 4>I've said all my last words.

924
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm happy, you're happy you managed on a historical analogy.

925
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.639
<v Speaker 4>I did, and uh and you didn't. And you know,

926
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:10.440
<v Speaker 4>you didn't chastise me too much, so.

927
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:13.679
<v Speaker 1>I felt bad about forgetting to remind you to say it,

928
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:18.719
<v Speaker 1>so I didn't chestize. Okay, John, what do you think

929
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:20.039
<v Speaker 1>is going to happen with tariffs?

930
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Is the economy going to crash?

931
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:25.519
<v Speaker 5>I actually thought this might be a blessing in disguise

932
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:29.000
<v Speaker 5>for Trump because we saw today I think the Trump

933
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:33.079
<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry, the Tart decision wiped off the front page

934
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:37.960
<v Speaker 5>that economic growth was really weak last year. Yeah, you know,

935
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:43.559
<v Speaker 5>shockingly weak, and it says, well, it's like what like, wow,

936
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:48.840
<v Speaker 5>well it well, now this would take a while.

937
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:52.760
<v Speaker 4>It was the New York fad, I think, and I'm

938
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:55.199
<v Speaker 4>just I'm not going to go through the arguments. I'm

939
00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:57.039
<v Speaker 4>surprised no one has ever done a study on the

940
00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:00.239
<v Speaker 4>different fads. So you know, there was the Dallas FED

941
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:02.960
<v Speaker 4>in the nineties under Richard Fitcher, Richard Fisher, who did

942
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:06.119
<v Speaker 4>these killer studies that had to drive the Twin administration

943
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:08.280
<v Speaker 4>out of their mind. The Saint Louis FED today does

944
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:11.800
<v Speaker 4>these great analysis and data analysis. The Atlanta fad has

945
00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:14.639
<v Speaker 4>been very bullish. They were predicting like four percent growth

946
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.719
<v Speaker 4>for last year and that looks like it is now wrong.

947
00:51:18.039 --> 00:51:20.079
<v Speaker 4>And then the New York Fed, well, look that's where

948
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:22.199
<v Speaker 4>it's ron pal came from. The New York Fed. Okay,

949
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:25.159
<v Speaker 4>there's some politics there, and nobody wants to study this

950
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:29.360
<v Speaker 4>and say why this is happening. I in general, I think,

951
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:31.760
<v Speaker 4>in general, I think tariffs are a bad idea.

952
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:35.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, okay, I looked it up. The growth last year

953
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:38.480
<v Speaker 5>last quarter was one point four percent. It's not what

954
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:38.920
<v Speaker 5>we want.

955
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:41.559
<v Speaker 4>That's right. And you know the Atlanta Fed was saying, oh,

956
00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:43.559
<v Speaker 4>it's going to come in at four or something because

957
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:46.000
<v Speaker 4>the previous quarter had been previous quarters.

958
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:49.760
<v Speaker 5>Are around four percent. Yeah. Right, Well, look, if you

959
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:53.320
<v Speaker 5>if you favor Trump, you want the Republicans to do

960
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:57.119
<v Speaker 5>better in the midterms. You don't want there to be terriffs, right, yeah,

961
00:51:57.280 --> 00:51:59.519
<v Speaker 5>you think about the tar ending the tariffs is like

962
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:03.480
<v Speaker 5>a huge fiscal stimulus because you're taking away attacks. It

963
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:06.119
<v Speaker 5>might be right, people, So I think it's like a

964
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:10.679
<v Speaker 5>from the economic perspective, not politics, not legal, but it's

965
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:13.239
<v Speaker 5>a blessing in disguise for Trump. The similar thing for

966
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:15.360
<v Speaker 5>him to do would be not to replace the tariffs

967
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:18.519
<v Speaker 5>or take his time doing it and let the economy

968
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:20.519
<v Speaker 5>economy really grow as a result.

969
00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:23.559
<v Speaker 4>That's a longer subject for some other day. That Lucretian

970
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:25.199
<v Speaker 4>will not way too late for tonight.

971
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:25.880
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

972
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, And when it comes to you guys in your

973
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:33.400
<v Speaker 1>supposed how much growth we had those immediate kind of things,

974
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:35.639
<v Speaker 1>back to my darts on the wall.

975
00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:39.840
<v Speaker 5>No, look, the American people, I do think that the

976
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:43.039
<v Speaker 5>left has put their finger on something, this affordability idea,

977
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:45.159
<v Speaker 5>which is just a different way saying inflation is still

978
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:49.280
<v Speaker 5>not low enough. If you take away Terraf's help lower

979
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:51.599
<v Speaker 5>the cost of things, that will is by definition, will

980
00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:53.880
<v Speaker 5>reduce the inflation rate. That's good for Trump.

981
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:58.840
<v Speaker 1>The affordability thing is more a matter of young people

982
00:52:58.880 --> 00:52:59.760
<v Speaker 1>not being able to buy.

983
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:05.440
<v Speaker 2>And that's not the problem of tariffs. That's a multifaceted problem.

984
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:11.119
<v Speaker 1>That's mostly uh, you know, a local state issue, regulation issue,

985
00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:11.559
<v Speaker 1>and so on.

986
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:15.159
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, you're right, too late, too late, Steve has

987
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:16.519
<v Speaker 2>an ai for us.

988
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:18.239
<v Speaker 4>I could do it now.

989
00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:21.639
<v Speaker 2>No, No, so I wanted to get sorry because we're

990
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:23.000
<v Speaker 2>getting close.

991
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:25.079
<v Speaker 5>To Yeah, you're not gonna do the Babylon Bees.

992
00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:27.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do the babbon be because there are so

993
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:35.559
<v Speaker 1>many good ones. No, absolutely not. I stopped with enough time.

994
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:40.920
<v Speaker 1>California truck driver cited for being legal US resident.

995
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:44.639
<v Speaker 2>It took you a second.

996
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Gavin, I'll make it click. Gavin Newsom's presidential

997
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:54.199
<v Speaker 1>ambition sunk after nation discover he's the one running California.

998
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:56.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah that's true.

999
00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is very near.

1000
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:01.800
<v Speaker 1>John furious Trump imposes one one thousand percent terriff on

1001
00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:02.599
<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court.

1002
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:08.760
<v Speaker 5>He would if he could, if he could, this.

1003
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:10.480
<v Speaker 1>One you won't get because you didn't know what it

1004
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:12.239
<v Speaker 1>meant last time when they made fun of him.

1005
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:13.159
<v Speaker 2>But I'll say it anyway.

1006
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Canadian you guys heard about you know, the Canadians have

1007
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:20.400
<v Speaker 1>gone crazy with this whole euthanasia thing. Right, Canadian government

1008
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:27.440
<v Speaker 1>praised for euthanizing Nickelback. Yes, right, And another one for you, John,

1009
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:30.440
<v Speaker 1>I know you wouldn't. You had to be explained that

1010
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:36.599
<v Speaker 1>Nickelback anyway. Desperate John Bolton throws stink bomb into Trump's

1011
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Board of Peace meeting.

1012
00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:43.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I know.

1013
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, I should have.

1014
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:49.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm almost embarrassed to make this one because it's such

1015
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:51.840
<v Speaker 1>a serious thing. But leave it to the b Prince

1016
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Andrew joins UK Muslim rate gang so you can keep

1017
00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:56.840
<v Speaker 1>abusing young girl.

1018
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:02.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, all that is, I mean, yeah, a double scandal there,

1019
00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:02.679
<v Speaker 4>that's right.

1020
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, And you know we didn't we didn't talk

1021
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:12.000
<v Speaker 1>about the whole Culbert thing and not not inviting on

1022
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:16.199
<v Speaker 1>old Jasmine Croft. So if he could answer questions, I'm

1023
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:18.840
<v Speaker 1>not that interested in it, except that all I want

1024
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:23.679
<v Speaker 1>to point out is that imagine if Greg Guttfield had

1025
00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:27.840
<v Speaker 1>had refused to bring on somebody because he didn't want

1026
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:29.840
<v Speaker 1>to bring on Jasmine Crocket. That's all I'll say. But

1027
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:32.599
<v Speaker 1>actually Greg could get away with it because he's just

1028
00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:37.760
<v Speaker 1>so great. New Yorkers with a picture of Mindami Mendomiami Swami.

1029
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:43.639
<v Speaker 1>New Yorker's report Warmth of Collectivism feels strangely like a

1030
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:45.840
<v Speaker 1>crushing tech tax hike.

1031
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:50.159
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well that's served some right. They voted for him.

1032
00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:52.159
<v Speaker 4>It's amazing how fast that's happened.

1033
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh my gosh, it does. It does.

1034
00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:59.400
<v Speaker 1>But AOC, this is my last one. AOC condemned Spain

1035
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:02.039
<v Speaker 1>for stealing Mexico's language.

1036
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:10.280
<v Speaker 5>That's good. I like that one. That's a goodness. John, Okay,

1037
00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:14.360
<v Speaker 5>always drink your whiskey, meat, buy more books, and Steve,

1038
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:18.199
<v Speaker 5>what is the latest message from your AI overlords?

1039
00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:22.760
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so this is interesting. I asked chat GPT to

1040
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:27.679
<v Speaker 4>produce a parody of Alexandria Acasio Cortez as a starfleet officer,

1041
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:30.840
<v Speaker 4>and then Froze I said it said there's a problem,

1042
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:34.480
<v Speaker 4>and it couldn't do it. I thought that's interesting, so

1043
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:39.559
<v Speaker 4>I asked Gora, Gora, no groch, Grock. Sorry, Gora's a listener. Sorry, Cora,

1044
00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:44.559
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna blame the whiskey. I asked Groc and Groc

1045
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:47.000
<v Speaker 4>came through. It was a long thing. I'll just give

1046
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:51.039
<v Speaker 4>you one paragraph. It's got a Vulcan and Captain Jean

1047
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:54.079
<v Speaker 4>Luke Icard by hologram, and then I'll just give you

1048
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:57.920
<v Speaker 4>one part of it. AOC bursting in without knocking gold

1049
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:03.239
<v Speaker 4>uniform slightly askew, holding a pad like it's a protest sign. Captain,

1050
00:57:03.400 --> 00:57:06.239
<v Speaker 4>with all due respect to the Vulcan lady who's been

1051
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:09.559
<v Speaker 4>measuring carbon parts per million since the twenty third century.

1052
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:13.480
<v Speaker 4>We cannot just observe another planet cook itself. Well, the

1053
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<v Speaker 4>Federation keeps subsidizing di lithium refineries that are literally owned

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<v Speaker 4>by the same three Orion crime families who bankrolled the

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<v Speaker 4>last Romulin Senate election. I think that's actually too intelligent. Good,

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<v Speaker 4>well it is, except it's too intelligent for her right

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<v Speaker 4>has to be stupider than that. But okay, that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So we did this. This came out after we after

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<v Speaker 1>Valentine's Day last year. We recorded on Valentine's Day and

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<v Speaker 1>we had to end early because Steve had a hot date.

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<v Speaker 1>He actually takes his wife out on Valentine's Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine that.

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<v Speaker 1>But von b provided I know exactly eh, a few

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<v Speaker 1>Valentine's Day cards that you could print out and send

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<v Speaker 1>to people, full by famous people, and I just a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of them to end this this love fest that

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<v Speaker 1>we had here today.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a picture of Kamala Harris saying Valentine's Day is

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<v Speaker 1>a big day. It is bigger than smaller days. Valentine

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<v Speaker 1>starts with the V.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we have.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Honan and this is for you, Gora, you have

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<v Speaker 1>crossed the border of my heart. Wait, wait, two more.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a picture of Elon Muss, Hey, girl, want to

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<v Speaker 1>help me reverse the Earth's imminent population collapse?

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<v Speaker 2>And then finally this is for you too. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a picture of Mitch mcconnall going and this says nothing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I've seen that one right. This is why we're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna win, by the way, because we're funnier than they are.

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<v Speaker 2>And we are definitely funnier.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do have to make fun of the disinterreed

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<v Speaker 1>Mitch McConnell to prove that.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not like a democrat.

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<v Speaker 1>I have standards and I stick to them, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make fun of Mitch McConnell for being brain dead

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<v Speaker 1>the same way I did Joe Biden, and it's egregious

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<v Speaker 1>and problematic in both cases. And on that happy note,

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<v Speaker 1>have a wonderful week everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>You know we're still in shutdown. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the airport.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, okay, right bye everybody.

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<v Speaker 8>Actually, Sean Monaghan Millennial misused the five shift.

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<v Speaker 9>Neologismology to refer to general trend shop when it describes

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<v Speaker 9>a much more contemporary phenomenon of radical pivots and culture

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<v Speaker 9>are self organized.

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<v Speaker 8>Almost instantly and with a single without a single specific catalyst,

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<v Speaker 8>by small groups of intimately engaged posters, a phenomena only

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<v Speaker 8>possible in the at work era. I'm sorry, I ride

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<v Speaker 8>a branch like.

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<v Speaker 5>Ricochet. Join the conversation