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Speaker 1: Hellowen, Welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis, your host

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and excited to have another Thursday night show here. I

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have James I and Dolly on tonight. I listened to

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him on another podcast and he has quite a story

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and so we're gonna be talking with him in just

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a minute, just a few things here. Next week on Tuesday,

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it might be myself Jack UFO Jack who helps me

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out with YouTube and all that, Peter Robbins possibly another guest.

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We're going to be talking about the Exeter UFO incident.

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Fascinating case if you've ever looked into that. So I'm

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going to be talking about that. I'm going to be

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speaking at the conference the following Sunday. After that, and

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as I mentioned before, we're going to be out in Sedona,

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and well before that, we're going to be up at

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shag Harbor. I'm going to be the EMC there again

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this year, up at Shag Harbor, Nova, Scotia, And that's

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the first few days of October. I think it's the

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third through the fifth of October. And then we're going

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to be out in Sedona at Travis Walton's fiftieth anniversary

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of his UFO encounter, and that event is going to

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be October seventeenth through twentieth. A lot of people know.

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I do believe it was November fifth when the incident

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actually happened. So ten years ago I had contacted Travis

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and I said, you know, for his fortieth they were

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actually in Snowflake where the incident happened, and I got

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Travis a satellite because the phone don't he said, the

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phones won't come in there. So everyone was meeting at

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the event and Alejandro Rojas was there and I called him.

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I actually got through, so he had signal and so

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I go where you know, the show's starting here, where's Travis?

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Is he there? He's always running late. So so Travis

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shows up and he forgot the satellite phone. It was

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expensive to rent that satellite phone for he forgot it. Luckily,

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the phone that Alejandro had on him was working, had

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enough signal and we pulled it off. It worked. But

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this year it's not going to be held in a Snowflake.

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It's going to be in Sedona, which if you've ever

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been there, If you have not been there, I should

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say I say that it's a place to visit in

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the country. There's a lot of people that talk about

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unusual things that happened there. But other than that, you know,

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it's such a beautiful area. So Ron James lives there.

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I'll be visiting with him and several others. But that's

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enough for me. I'm gonna bring James idolably in right now.

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How did I do with your name? James?

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Speaker 2: Perfect?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: And Doli if you're if you're super Italian, you can

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say yan Doli? But is the way right?

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Speaker 1: All right? All right, so welcome to the show. So

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you actually do a show yourself called Engaging in the Phenomenon.

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As you can see you have it right up here.

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So what I know you had things happen in your life.

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Is that what made you interested in actually starting this

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year channel and all that because of the things that

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happened or did you have an interest before things happened?

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I should ask you how young you were?

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Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? Well, first of all, yeah, it's an honor

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to be on your show. You know, I've been watching

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your show for years, and you know, I remember you

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had like Christopher Bloodsoe on before he was like well known,

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you know, and you did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had him back in the nine two thousand

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and twelve. I had him on right right when.

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Speaker 2: I think it was around the time that that show aired,

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but people still weren't picking up on his his stuff

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back then. But yeah, for me, I guess you can

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call me an experience or uh, I don't. I don't

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so much like labels and to say, so, oh, this

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person's an experience or this other person's a non experience,

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or we're you know, we're human beings.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And some people just happened to be tuned into a

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particular you know, their aperture might be more open or

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something instigates an event. But for me, I was having

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a high strangers event since I was young, So you know,

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for me, it started off with entity encounters and those

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entities I don't generally assume or or even back then,

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I never associated them with with like a UFO intelligence

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per se, because they were shadow type entity, but they

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had a light scintillation to them, but they were highly

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telepathic and if it happened more than a half dozen times,

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it was frightening. When I was young, I was awake

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and lucid and scared, to be honest, and I had

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had a body experiences and that was when I was

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very young, and so you know, going on from there,

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a kid outside I I was fascinated by them, and

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so I was always interested in in UFOs and metaphysics.

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I never found it to be something strange. There was

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always something fascinating. And you know, coincidentally, I live right

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in the Hudson Valley where the Hudson Valley ufolways wave occurred.

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UFO wave. You know, if that's any constellation.

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Speaker 1: Well, have you ever checked to see if you're a

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hybrid or not?

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Speaker 2: Just you know, Harry Nolan, I feel run the DNA

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test then you know, even if you got the result,

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it'd be classified.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I got to tell you when I was Yes,

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when I was out in uh, I was at Pine Bush.

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talked to someone who now lives in Las Vegas, but

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her and her family lived in you know, the Pine

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Bush area, and so I started talking to the daughter.

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Facebook page for seven or eight years. Every day she'd

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posts them. She was really very helpful and by the

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way that jobs available as a volunteer basis in particular.

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and so I got to talk to her, you know,

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because I remember she said she was in Pine Bush

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and I said, anything weird happened. She goes, let me

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get my daughter. So her daughter gets on the phone,

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and she said that they were outside and chairs like

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lawn chairs and things like that, and there was like

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this high grass around this area where there was like

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a dirt area to park in, and so she's like

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walking and she says this. This sounds nuts to people

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when you say this, but she said there was a

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being just like staring at her, and you know, the

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big eyes, like the typical gray it sounded like. And

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then it just vanished in the grass and scared the

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heck out of her. And but there's just it seems

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like an area where there's a lot of things that happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know there's a lot over here, you know,

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whether it's like people say, it's a it's a vortex

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center area. But also, I mean, right, I don't want

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to dox myself, but I live very close to Indian Point,

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you know, so the UFO is and nukes. Thing is,

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you know, it's nuclear powered. So and yeah, cam Smith

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right over here in West Point, so there's there's a

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Speaker 1: Right right, and yeah. Well, and but the stories were

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that they would just all people would just gathering their

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beach chairs and just wait for them to come. I mean,

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that's how often they happen. You know, during the summer.

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they would just get their lawn chairs out, just sit

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, there's the Pine Bush is kind

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of like an infamous area, the whole Hudson Valley really

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because yea, even even growing up, you know, I and

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interest in UFOs. I'd ask them, uh and you know

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a majority of people around here even still today, either

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themselves personally or family members and people they knew closely

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Speaker 1: M right, right, So let's talk a little bit more

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about what you're appearances were. You said there were entities. Now,

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how young were you when these things started happening.

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Speaker 2: So that started when I was around five or six,

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that that age frame, and again it was it was

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the first time that it had ever happened. I had

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seen them, and I was scared. And the first thing

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I heard again telepathically was he can see us, and

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and that freaked me out. And and then the being

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there's three of them they collapsed into like an orbs

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and came together. And if you ever saw the movie

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The Knowing with Nicholas Cage, I know, yeah so that

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that great movie. Yeah so, and and whoever made that movie,

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I don't know if they did research or what, or

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if they just made it up. But the whisp bring

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that that phenomena where they the kids are hearing the

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whispering it like auditorially, I heard something akin to that,

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very similar to that, except mentally, I you know, I

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heard and felt differently like it was very clear, like

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no no question in my mind what the message was.

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not just an auditory phenomenon. There's there's a physical and

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or even like emotional kinesthetic components to it. So yeah, so,

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or periodically, until about the time I was maybe eleven

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by by that age, I was not There was no

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confusion when I was that age of what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Now? Do you try to tell your parents about it?

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Speaker 2: I didn't. Maybe maybe the first time, but never. I

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never made it an issue with them, right, so, because

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but I don't recall having like a whole conversation with

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Speaker 1: And did you ever talk to them later in life

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about any of this stuff, any of your family?

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because I started having kind of in your face experiences

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that point I was twenty years old, and I had

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brought it up because of these later experiences. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: Right, well, let's let's go back to doing it chronologically,

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how things happened with you, if you would.

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Speaker 2: Sure, So those original encounters, if you want to call

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beings or occupants. It didn't because even after later on,

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was a telepathic component, but it was it was a

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completely different experience. So you know, from there, I you know,

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for some reason I had those entity encounters. But then

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would be in between being awake and falling asleep and

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there was no lapse in my consciousness. I was just

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you know, like staring at the ceiling basically, and all

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of a sudden, my perspective shifts and I'm looking down

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at myself and and then all of a sudden, I'm like,

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holy crap, that that's me. And then you know, bam,

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going back down and that happened a number of times spontaneously.

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sightings when I was younger, but for me, it was

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like this. It was exciting, but it wasn't like a

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paradigm shifting thing in the sense where like I, you know,

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I would try to take pictures of them with disposable cameras, uh,

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and they never came out, and it was always like,

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I was thinking they were UFOs and there were weird

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them and they seemed to follow me, so that, you know,

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involved in meditation. I was practicing Chinese martial arts, practicing chigong,

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basic yoga, and meditation, and I was practicing it pretty seriously,

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so I you know, and again this whole time I

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going on the internet. But then in two thousands, that's

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when I had a series of really in your face

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experiences that kind of brought me where I am today,

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and that that also they had they seemed to happen sequentially,

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and there were aspects of high strangeness, and that all

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began in uh it was probably the late spring, and

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again I'm twenty years old. I was working an overnight

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shift and in the morning, I'm finishing up my shift

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and one of my coworkers, who is you know, he's

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in his fifties or sixties, super conservative guy. Anything we

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talk about is like work related. He's telling me about

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the union there and the union rules and this and

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that because he's a delegate and you know, hey, how's

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your family, that kind of thing. So all of a sudden,

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like one morning, he says to me, hey, did you

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hear about the UF in Mexico? And that it caught

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me off guard because he didn't know that I had

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any kind of interest in that. I never had brought

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anything up like that at work or anything, so I

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found it strange. But I said, no, I didn't hear

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about it, and I really didn't, so I just kind

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of went on with the rest of my shift and finished.

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I thought it was weird. But I didn't think anything

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of it afterwards, because you know, I thought it was

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just a random question, like it maybe there was some

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kind of thing in the news or something. So I

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went home and I went to sleep. So I went

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to sleep. By the time I got home and went

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to sleep, it's probably like eight thirty am. I And

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when I went to sleep, I became aware in a dream. Right,

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So it's a dream. But I was aware in the dream.

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And in the dream, I'm in my old neighborhood where

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I had actually seen those UFOs, And I was driving

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down in my old neighborhood and there was an again

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this is a dream. There's an orange plasma electric UFO

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like twenty twenty five feet above my car. And I mean,

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I'm like, I'm driving and I'm like panicking. It was

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kind of like, you know, again it's a dream. So

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I'm like super reactive. I didn't think why, but I'm like,

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oh my god, I have to get away from this thing.

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So I'm in you know, this is going on for

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two and a half minutes of me driving through my

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old neighborhood trying to get away from this orange plasma

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like UFO that had the UFO was like pulsing, and

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I had felt the same pulsing in my body. But

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you know, I snap out of that dream and I

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wake up, and I'm just coming to like, you know,

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I'm not really thinking much about the dream other than

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that was kind of weird. But then one of my

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family members comes in my house and they say, hey,

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did you hear about the UFOs in Mexico? And that's

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when I was like, that's when everything kind of clicked

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for me, right, because I wasn't connecting any of this

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until that point. So I at that point, I was

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just like, what the hell is going on? So I'm

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kind of thinking to myself, like, screw this. I'm just

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going to go down the street to this Chinese place

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that I used to go to get some chicken up

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broccoli and just like chill because this is this is

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freaking weird now, So I get it. It's like three

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point thirty in the afternoon or so, you know, again

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late spring. It's a clear blue sky. I get in

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my car and I started driving and within a few

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hundred feet, ah, you know, I can see the road

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in the sky above me, and I see a fireball

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right in the center of the sky. And it had

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a very like lava living quality to it, if I

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can say that, or maybe like in the dream plasma like,

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and I'm just I just think to myself, like, holy shit,

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that's a UFO. And as soon as I think that,

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it started to move through the sky like slowly and silently,

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and it was not quite the size of a dime

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but large, so it was either bigger probably or lower

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in proximity. So I'm like super excited at this point

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and kind of shocked, and I'm trying to chase it

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and it just slowly moves out of you, and and

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I was just like I was blown away, right, And

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the whole thing that was the kind of the most

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jarring to me. Like at first it was the UFO.

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I was like, oh my god, you know, I saw

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UFO and it was in broad daylight and it was

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like right there and it responded to my thought. But

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what you know, after I kind of settled down, I

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was I just I was trying to make sense of

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how how is it, you know, the seeing the UFO

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and broad daylight. Like I can kind of rationalize that, right,

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like people have UFO sightings, but what what I could

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never understand or What didn't settle with me was that

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or you know, hit me like a ton of bricks,

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was like, how did this entire chain of events happen

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that led up to the sighting that this rant you know,

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someone of my coworkers mentioned something to me. Then I

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have this you know, crazy dream in my old neighborhood

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where I had seen UFOs as a kid, and then

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another you know, my family member says something to me,

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and then and then I have a broad daylight UFO sighting.

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To me, that that whole series and and chain of

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events was was way more absurd than than the the

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UFO and Broad Daylight itself, right, because you can rationalize, oh,

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maybe there's some kind of you know, unknown night non

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human intelligence or or aliens visiting us whatever, like that's

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like a sci fi idea, But the whole chain of

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events to me was way more bizarre. So at this

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point my my interests grew even more. Of course, But

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the next kind of UFO encounter in this series of

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events happened maybe to months later, so probably early summer,

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and again in two thousand and seven, I ended up

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getting into this car accident because I was working all

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these overnight shifts and I was working seven days a week.

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Actually at that time, I was working two jobs. And

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I got into a car accident. And I didn't realize

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this until much later, but it was actually in the

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same exact area where I had the UFO sighting. So

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I got in this car accident, and during this car accident,

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I have what I call a trauma induced out of

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body experience. It kind of simulated like a near death experience.

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But I always call a trauma induced out of body

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experience because I wasn't near death, but during the incident,

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I you know, I'll just explain it. I thought I

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was I had died basically, because the first thing that

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happens after the accident is that I'm face to face

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with what somebody can call like a light being, right,

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this like entity of light, and I hear this like

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crystalline angelic orchestra that is like heavenly. It had that

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total kind of vibe to it. And I did the

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light being or entity when I I had some kind

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of like knowing to myself that this entity or this

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being is not separate from me somehow. That's that's just

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like the knowing or the feeling I had in this

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experience and I heard and you know, I went to

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c CD and all that, but I was not somebody

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who was like religious in that sense. I was into

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consciousness and stuff, but I was not like a Christian

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or like I wasn't like a Catholic technically, but I

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didn't go to church and whatnot at that point. But

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I heard the the kind of message or again, it

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was a whole feeling to it, and everything said God

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is all there is, ever was, and ever will be.

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And I had this weird transcendental experience from there where

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I experienced time spherically with the past, the president, and

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the future simultaneously. And then from there it's like my

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reality reset and all of a sudden, I'm in the

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air looking down at the accident. It's hard to describe

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the series of events linearly, so I apologize for that.

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But at that point I'm looking down at the accident,

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I see the car, and I'm thinking to myself, oh,

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so this is it. Like I was conscious and aware

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and I'm looking down at the accident outside of my body,

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apparently thinking that I had passed away. And you know,

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I'm you know, that's that's the thought that I had.

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And again I was conscious, just as I'm conscious now,

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and I was even had reflective thinking to think I

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had passed away. But I I was totally cool with it.

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There was no sense of like mourning or regret or anything.

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It was I was just totally cool with it. It

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felt like everything was perfect. And after a few moments

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of that, I'm I just zoomed back in my body

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and then i wake up and I'm in the ambulance

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and I'm like, oh my God, like I'm actually alive, right, yeah,

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And so I, you know, I went to the hospital.

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I stayed there for a day. They let me out

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the next day, and I was just grateful to be alive,

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like I was. I was really considering at that point,

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like wow, I I could I could not be here

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right now, right. I was just super grateful to be alive.

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And I'm like, it felt like a miracle to to

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to be in this existence basically, like to be alive

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and to be a human and to be you know,

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somewhat fortunate, I guess, And you know, I, you know,

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after that trauma induced out of body experience, and I

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don't know if it's because I hit my head in

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the car accident or what But I I felt physically different,

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like like people talk about like high high high vibrations

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and all that. Like I had an energetic buzzing in

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my body that was like a lading, right. It was.

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It was like super positive, and you know, and again

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I'm also feeling these like the feelings of gratefulness and whatnot.

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So later on that evening, this is the day after

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the accident, I'm just in my room, cleaning my room,

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just grateful to be alive. I'm just like thinking like, oh,

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I'm just so happy and grateful to be doing like

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these menial tasks, right, the most simplest things is this

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is like the greatest miracle. And as I'm contemplating that,

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all of a sudden, I get what I would call

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telepathic lock on of It's you know, there's like a voice,

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but a feeling and a visual overlay of these two

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Nordic entities they said come outside. But it's it's the

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moment that that connection was made, you know, It's like

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our consciousnesses were melded together or something. I knew what

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was going to happen. It's and again my eyes were

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opened and I'm looking in my room, but there was

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this simultaneous overlay in my conscious awareness of these two entities,

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and I got a whole download. And it's really hard

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to describe this linearly because everything is happening simultaneously. Where

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I'm receiving this download, I have this this telepathic lock

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on with these non human intelligences and they, you know,

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I at least felt that I could feel what they

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were feeling and whatnot, and like our consciousnesses were merged

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and there was no kind of there's no question what

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they were communicating, at least in the ex experience. So

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I when as soon as I heard the cut and

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again there was a physical feeling sensation to this whole thing,

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like a people talk about like a Kundalini experience or

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Kundalini awakening. I had this. I was already buzzing from

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the you know, after I had the trauma induced OBE.

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But this whole thing was like a reactivation that like

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multiplied it ten times over of like energy and Kundalini

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and that kind of thing throughout my body. But as

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soon as I heard and I felt this telepathic lock on,

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I you know, I started going right outside and you know,

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I get outside and there's some tree coverage, so I'm walking, oh,

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you know, through so I can look up into the sky.

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And before I can even look into the sky, I

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hear like a low basy hum. It's like voom voom

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and uh. And when when it's making that that kind

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of base, I feel that, I feel it through my

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through my body. And as soon as I make it

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through and I can look up into the sky, I

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see what looks like like a hexagonal craft that it

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had lights, multicolor lights all around the edges, like bleeding

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around the edges, and there was like a perfectly white

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square light fixture in the center, and it was it

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looked like a metal craft that was very like dark

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metal gray, a very dark gray metal, and it, you know,

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it was just slowly moving. And at this point I'm

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just like, you know, I'm kind of blown away because

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again I said, there's this download going on where I'm

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getting what I can call impressions or communication from these

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entities there where they're communicating that they are related to

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us somehow and that you know, they're here with basically

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good intentions and they want people to know about them,

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which I'll cave youat a little bit later on and say,

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I don't know it, you know, if if I'm interpreting that,

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if they're manipulating my perception somehow, or if it's completely genuine.

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During this experience, it felt very genuine, and I was

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taking it at face value. But I so there's some

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stairs down there. I went down the stairs to get

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into my driveway so I can have a better view

475
00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:38,960
of the sky and I get my driveway and this

476
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:45,559
thing's just still gliding over and it as I'm watching it,

477
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:52,839
it instantaneously de materializes or disappears and then reappears, you know,

478
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,200
maybe a thousand feet away over this man made lake

479
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,400
that was across the street from my house at the time.

480
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,960
And when it reappeared over there, I saw that there

481
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,559
were two other crafts that were exactly like identical to it,

482
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:12,480
with the lights going around it, and they're just like

483
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:16,079
moving around slowly in the sky. And again I have

484
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,160
this download thing going on this entire time, and this

485
00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:25,160
energetic thing, and at this point, I'm I'm really thinking,

486
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,160
like did I hit my head so hard in that

487
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,640
accident that I'm imagining this, because this is just freaking up.

488
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:37,400
This is insane. So I was like, somebody has to

489
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,039
see this, right, So I ran into my house and

490
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:45,359
I had two family members there and I said, guys,

491
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,720
you have to you got to come outside. And they

492
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:51,720
said why and I said, they're here. They said, who's here?

493
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:55,400
I said, just come outside, and they come outside and

494
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,160
they come out into the driveway with me, and they

495
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,880
see these three crafts and for like twenty minutes there's

496
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,279
this display of sorts with there's you know, they're slowly

497
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:08,039
moving around and one of them would disappear and then

498
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:11,559
reappear over here, and again the lights are going around,

499
00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:16,319
and you know, we're all just shocked, right, And in

500
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:18,119
my mind, I'm thinking, like this is going to be

501
00:33:18,119 --> 00:33:20,799
all over the news. This is like people are going

502
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,839
to know about the at the time, I'm thinking extraterrestrials,

503
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:26,079
Like people are going to know about the reality of

504
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,480
like aliens or extraterrestrials or visiting us. And this is it.

505
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,559
You know, I didn't have the term in two thousand

506
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:37,839
and seven so much, but I'm like, this is like disclosure, right,

507
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,519
this is it. And you know, apparently, you know the

508
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:44,279
next day there's no kind of announcement to that. But

509
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:50,119
the whole way that this kind of demonstration or incident

510
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,400
or event ended was that one of them disappeared, and

511
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,160
then there's two more, these two of these UFOs with

512
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:01,920
the lights going around them, and they're starting to head

513
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,759
towards each other and I'm like, holy crap. I was like,

514
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:08,920
they're gonna crash. And as soon as they made contact,

515
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,400
they just both vanished and that was it and it

516
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:17,519
was over. And I you know, I was like shock, basically.

517
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: Can you can you hold just one second? Because I've

518
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:28,320
heard the exact story from a gentleman named Albert Wayne.

519
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,719
Now Albert Wayne had an amazing UFO encounter. Wayne was

520
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,159
on his way to New York City from Connecticut, but

521
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,960
he told me about being young, not really young, but

522
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:44,360
you know, I guess perhaps preteen, I'm not really sure,

523
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,800
sitting on a porch with his parents and his uncle

524
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,800
and they saw these two UAP like coming right after

525
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,639
and these the UFOs or whatever, and they're coming right

526
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,800
at each other and just like you're exactly like you're explaining,

527
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:02,159
and exactly the same thing happened.

528
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that I mean I I was. I was shocked.

529
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,079
And I actually have another friend who I ended up

530
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:14,559
doing CE five, but he's an experience or he saw

531
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,880
something exactly the same. I don't know why that is.

532
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:25,760
But again in my mind, I'm thinking that they're gonna crash.

533
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,159
Like I was thinking my head, holy shit, they're gonna crash.

534
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 1: That's just what. Yeah.

535
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, And as soon as they made contact, they just

536
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:39,960
both deemed like vanished. That's it. So that those series

537
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,800
of events, and again I was having this download or

538
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:46,320
telepathic lock on and communication?

539
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:50,119
Speaker 1: Can you explain? Sorry, can you explain what you mean?

540
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:53,679
So are you explaining by saying it felt like a

541
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,039
telepathic communication or what do you consider a download would be?

542
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you what's the difference? Uh? I

543
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:10,280
say download because it's not just like like you you

544
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,280
hear a voice and you say, like a voice in

545
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,239
your head just says like hello or even come outside.

546
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:24,679
There was emotion and uh all all, I guess again

547
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,119
that communication there was like I guess, you know, the

548
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,920
mystic Rudolph Steiner or somebody had called that no, you know,

549
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,239
a packed thought for him. So it's there's there's just

550
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,079
like way more to it than than that. It's it's

551
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:45,440
like I say it download because it's like a ton

552
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,840
of there's this whole communication about how they're related to us.

553
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:53,039
And again that they're they're here with good intentions. They

554
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:58,960
want people to know about them. Again this and it's

555
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,840
it's really hard to expan And there was this feeling

556
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:10,840
of compassion and like a familial kind of connection, uh

557
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:15,239
in the whole thing. Right. It was a non nonverbal,

558
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:26,639
non auditory, kinesthetic emotional communication. Right that like, if I'm

559
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:29,280
talking to you right now, you can hear what I'm saying.

560
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,480
That's like one layer of communication. There were several layers

561
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:40,599
of communication going on here that seemed like a million

562
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:45,360
times superior to verbal language. It seems so direct, but

563
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:46,960
it also seemed natural.

564
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:47,639
Speaker 1: Right.

565
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: If you if you've ever heard the Telepathy tapes, the

566
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,639
way that they describe telepathy and in different episodes of

567
00:37:56,679 --> 00:38:00,199
the Telepathy Tapes is exactly what I had experienced with

568
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:03,679
with non human intelligence. Right. It's just it's not just

569
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:11,480
an auditory message. Hmmm, okay, all right, So that's yeah,

570
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,119
when I say download, that's that's kind of what I'm

571
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:17,840
trying to relay. But it's it's unless you've experienced it,

572
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,239
it's really hard to put into words. The best way

573
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,639
I can say it is, there's that there's again, these

574
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:30,280
several layers to the communication, that's just it's not just auditory, right,

575
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:36,119
It's there's like emotion and as if like there's like

576
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:40,760
an entire concept that's just downloaded into you.

577
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,039
Speaker 1: Now, do you have to have any siblings? Are you

578
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:47,639
an only child? Do you have siblings?

579
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:49,159
Speaker 2: I have two siblings.

580
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: Do they ever experience any of what you're experiencing at all?

581
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:55,760
If you don't be asking?

582
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 2: So what one of one of them was there for

583
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,079
this event and and and events that happened afterwards. Uh,

584
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:11,199
so they've seen this. One one of my siblings is

585
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:20,360
i'll just call them an intuitive one of my sisters. Ah.

586
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,280
But the other one she she doesn't really so we

587
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,639
it's like we think we're all different. But you know

588
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:32,639
again that they they've been there for they were there,

589
00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:35,159
well one of them was there for this event, and uh,

590
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:37,719
for other events that happened afterwards.

591
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: And how about had anyone of your siblings felt as

592
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:50,159
though that they actually had some type of communication or

593
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,440
was it just witnessing the event itself?

594
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: For them, it was it was just witnessing it. I

595
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,840
found out after this this event occurred, because obviously we

596
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,360
were talking about it, that my mom had had a

597
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:12,000
UFO sighting in Queens in the nineteen seventies, in the

598
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:16,039
late seventies. So I you know, again, I didn't know

599
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:19,159
that my whole life until after this event had occurred.

600
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:22,519
And she had told me that because I was we

601
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:23,880
were talking about the event.

602
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: Did she explain what her sighting was like?

603
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 2: She said, it was a It was a red UFO

604
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,840
in Queens. It was just like a red orb. And she,

605
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,920
you know, she was familiar with the air traffic as

606
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,320
she lived in Queens, so she would see planes every

607
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,320
day right low and stuff, and she said this was

608
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,840
completely different and it was a red orb. And her

609
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,320
you know, her friend and her cousin were there and

610
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,119
they were all kind of spooked by it, right, they

611
00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:55,000
were fascinated, but it was kind of like maybe because

612
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,679
it was the time, you know, the era in the seventies,

613
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:04,840
but they seemed I don't want to say scared, but

614
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:06,840
you know, a little cautious about it. But that that

615
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:07,480
was it.

616
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Interesting. So why would you suppose so many

617
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,239
things seem to happen to you? I mean, it seems

618
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,880
like you've had a lot happen.

619
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 2: Right, and you know this gets a little bit too.

620
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:29,559
I guess what you can was you know, Ray hernandez

621
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:34,280
and and Ed Mitchell and had the Free the Foundation

622
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,599
for Research into Extraordinary Experiences. They did a study. I

623
00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:40,880
know people will say it's flawed, and I understand that

624
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,320
it's not perfect, but it is an example and an

625
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,079
effort of what kind of research should be done. Is

626
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:52,760
that it's it's alarming that you know, it's somebody has

627
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,599
a UFO siting is one thing, and that's like pretty amazing,

628
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,159
but you know a number of people who have UFOs

629
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,199
I things also happen to have a near death experience, right,

630
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,400
and also end up having some kind of like poultrygeist

631
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:14,159
or SI experience. So my own impression is that after

632
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:17,679
having one of these experiences, whatever whichever one it is,

633
00:42:18,199 --> 00:42:21,840
your aperture opens right, whether it's an out of body

634
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:27,719
experience or a near death experience or UFO encounter. I

635
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,159
think that once you have one of these kind of experiences,

636
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:34,320
that your aperture and so what you can consider subtle

637
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:39,280
reality opens right, and just just knowing or having an

638
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,280
open mind to it, I think is more likely. For

639
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,840
it's happened for me personally, I mean I can't say

640
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:52,039
why why it happened to me. I mean that That's

641
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:56,960
one of the questions that drove me to really try

642
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,320
to figure out what's going on is because I don't

643
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:06,480
necessarily know exactly why, but you know, I didn't. I

644
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,920
didn't know until after doing research that it's it's common

645
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,960
for individuals who have a UFO and ketterine ND or

646
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,079
something akin to that have the other experiences.

647
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: So just I want to thank everyone in chat and

648
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:27,159
this doctor not again. You can be a little kinder

649
00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:29,880
to other people in there, otherwise I'm going to bump

650
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,000
you out just to let you know. So here's a

651
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:36,079
question for you. Here. Are you able to explain what

652
00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:40,239
protocol is for yourself when you try to make contact

653
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,119
since it can be so different between person and person.

654
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I after those series of events

655
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:55,679
that occurred, I got really into C five and people

656
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,480
will know the C five protocol is one thing that

657
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,519
that's a whole I mean, maybe that's a whole nother

658
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:04,800
podcast really because I ended up going out with C

659
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:10,920
set and doctor Stephen Greer learning that and using what's

660
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:16,840
called the C five protocols. But after I think anybody

661
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:23,280
that goes out to do contact work well, eventually, if

662
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,960
they experiment enough, they're going to come to their own

663
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:33,000
practice or what works for them for me. Uh. You know,

664
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,920
there's there's a practice in Buddhism called meta or you

665
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,880
know even what heart the Heart Math Institute calls heart

666
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,719
rate variability, where you're getting into like a state of gratitude, uh,

667
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:53,719
and from from that state of gratitude and openness, you know,

668
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,119
setting the intention to have an interaction with UFOs or

669
00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:03,960
non human intelligence, and you can use a visualization that

670
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:08,400
goes along with that of a UFO or your perceived

671
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:11,480
image of non human intelligence and inviting them for an encounter.

672
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:15,440
That's like a simplistic thing that works for me very good.

673
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: You know. I was my producer better half, and I

674
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,800
were with the Tedesco brothers out on Long Island and

675
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,199
they had all their equipment set up. And then I

676
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,360
was with doctor Kevin Taylor too. He was there as well,

677
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,599
and we were all down on the beach. We're sitting

678
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:37,639
in all these chairs and you could see way out

679
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:39,920
into the ocean, had a nice view of the sky

680
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,800
and everything. And I actually tried like the meditation or

681
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,559
whatever it was inviting, and so did Donna. We're both

682
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:50,719
sitting there just trying something. Come on in and all

683
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,079
of a sudden, I thought something happened ended up being

684
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:56,639
a boat way out there. But the day after, so

685
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,960
there was two days. That was a Friday and the Saturday.

686
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,199
They get all kinds of of footage of you know,

687
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,000
things that were very very interesting. I'll put it at that.

688
00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:10,840
And yeah, there there's going to be some interesting news

689
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,880
about the Disco Brothers that's going to be coming out,

690
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:17,000
which is I'm really happy for them. And I can't

691
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,079
even tease it because I was sworn to secrecy, but

692
00:46:20,639 --> 00:46:24,079
I can just say that the government is, I'll put

693
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:26,599
it this way, to get to give a little bit

694
00:46:26,639 --> 00:46:29,760
of it, the government is thankful that they're doing what

695
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,119
they're doing, which is great. Yeah.

696
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 2: I might have been invited out to that event because

697
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,079
I'm over here in New York and there's an individual

698
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:40,920
who said, do you want to come out with them?

699
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:43,719
And you know, my work schedule, I wasn't able to

700
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,880
do it. But I'm excited to hear about that when

701
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,440
that comes out, and hopefully I actually have them on

702
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,880
engaging the phenomenon sometimes because that's yeah, yeah.

703
00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. They're they're very willing to be on be

704
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,880
on show, so sure, I can actually think that connection

705
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,159
with you. Here's another question for you. Do you think

706
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,599
that UAPs and supposed that aliens are what it's described

707
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:11,760
as angels and demons, not aliens visiting the earth tricking

708
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,280
humanity into giving up our souls. That's an interesting question comment.

709
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, since I've had a variety of experiences, and

710
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,920
you know what I explained here, we have a short

711
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:31,920
time is like scratching the surface. I've had many, many, many,

712
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,639
many other experiences and including with the C five and

713
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,840
other stuff, and so I do have a bit of

714
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:44,400
an informed opinion on this, and I'll say that I

715
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,199
don't think it's just one thing. I don't think, you know,

716
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,840
all the accounts of angels are what we consider nowadays

717
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:55,760
as extraterrestrials or non human intelligence. I do think there

718
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,199
are a variety of beings right as to you know, uh,

719
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:04,840
doctor Diana Pasoka and even carlmel And and and Timothy

720
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,880
Taylor and American Cosmic we're talking about our hierarchy of beings. Uh.

721
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,159
I think that framework for hierarchy of beings is simplistic

722
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,159
but informal in the sense it gives people an idea

723
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:24,679
that there's a variety of intelligences and we're probably somewhere

724
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:26,480
in the middle, right.

725
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,679
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I wouldn't offer that high, but yes.

726
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,159
Speaker 2: I know what you mean. But I mean, if we're

727
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,960
if we're considering also like microbial life, and.

728
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:40,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we're kind of like in.

729
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:45,079
Speaker 2: Like Eastern traditions, they actually say it's it's extremely fortunate

730
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:49,880
to be a human because we experienced just the right

731
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:53,199
amount of suffering that we want to ascend to a

732
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:58,280
higher level of intelligence, whereas like if you're in the

733
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,960
angelic realm, there's no desire to move up. You're in

734
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,239
a more blissful reality.

735
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,679
Speaker 1: I think we're just above the amiba. Really, that's how

736
00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:10,039
I feel sometimes, yeah, by the way we treat each other.

737
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, true, it's true. I know.

738
00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:15,079
Speaker 1: So how many years have you run your show.

739
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: So engaging the phenomenon. I created my channel in like

740
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:24,000
twenty eighteen. I started doing formal interviews in twenty twenty one.

741
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:26,119
But I mean I was I was talking with like

742
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,079
Richard Dolan back in like two thousand and nine, twenty ten,

743
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,360
and even back then, I was interviewing people, but I

744
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,920
was doing it privately, you know, I was I was

745
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,519
doing private interviews and meeting with experiencers and C five

746
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:41,599
field workers. And I did that for many years and

747
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:46,719
pretty intensely my I didn't have kids then, and I,

748
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,840
you know, I didn't have my job, wasn't as involved,

749
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,079
and I worked closer to home. So I was basically

750
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:57,840
doing this stuff like pretty hardcore back then. And so

751
00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:02,079
I started my show kind of laid on, but by

752
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:04,760
that point I was already pretty heavily involved.

753
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: All right, So we get about five minutes, but I

754
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,679
want to go go back to your I believe you

755
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:14,360
said it seemed to be a hexagonal shape craft. Uh,

756
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:17,199
and then there was two other identical ones. Can we

757
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:21,360
go back to that sighting? And uh, if you could

758
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:26,039
just tell me approximately where where was that in compared

759
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:31,039
to where you live? Was that in New York?

760
00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 2: Yes?

761
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: Yes, yes? And were there besides the people that witness

762
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:38,599
it with you? Do you know of other people did

763
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:39,760
it reporting it?

764
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,159
Speaker 2: Or I looked at I was looking because we have

765
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,519
a local paper over here, and I was looking in

766
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:47,840
it like every week, and it never came up, and

767
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:53,199
there was never anything in like Channel twelve news about it.

768
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,559
So I don't I don't know if anybody else had

769
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,599
had seen it. But I again during the experience, in

770
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:02,480
my mind, I thought that everybody was seeing this stuff

771
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:06,719
that event. I just I didn't even think twice about

772
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:12,719
it because it was so obvious. So yeah, the the

773
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,280
I say hexagonal, But I also want to clarify the

774
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:22,000
the edges were rounded, so it's you know, there were

775
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:27,639
flat kind of edges to it, but there was never

776
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:31,599
like a sharp edge. It was all that like they

777
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:35,199
were like this, but it was rounded like you know,

778
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,519
it looked it looked like like a disc, right, that's

779
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:41,199
way like a wedge or however you want to say it.

780
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:44,599
But they the edges were rounded, not sharp.

781
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,679
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And did you how about sound? Did you

782
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,159
hear any sound from them at all?

783
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 2: At the very beginning when the one because the win

784
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,599
it was above me, it was right above the trees,

785
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,639
and it was that it had It was less than

786
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:03,320
one hundred and twenty feet in the air at that point,

787
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,920
and it had a low base hum. And again when

788
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,480
it was when it had that basic hum, it was

789
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:18,519
like voom voom voom like that, I felt reverberating through

790
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:23,239
my body. But when once it dematerialized and when a

791
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,920
thousand feet away, there was no you couldn't hear it.

792
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: You didn't feel anything, did you any type of pressure

793
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:30,599
of any kind er.

794
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,639
Speaker 2: I felt vibrations through my body, and again it was

795
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:39,119
a whole kundalini energetic thing. But also like the when

796
00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:41,400
it was that closed, I felt a pulsing in my body.

797
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. There was someone on the show recently that said

798
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:51,840
that they had a like a telecommunication from some entity

799
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,280
of some kind and they felt it like it wasn't

800
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:56,920
like in the mind, he said, it was more like

801
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:57,360
an here.

802
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,039
Speaker 2: I felt it throughout my entire body, throughout my entire body.

803
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,079
And that's what I was trying to explain about the telepathy.

804
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:09,880
It's not just an auditory thing. You can feel it emotionally.

805
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,280
You can feel it physically in your body, but also

806
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:16,679
like your field, if I can say that.

807
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,559
Speaker 1: And where the trees, it's a good question. Where the

808
00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:21,519
trees moving at all?

809
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't see them move, but my eyes

810
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,159
were not really looking at the trees. My focus and

811
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:33,039
attention was on the object, so I didn't. I didn't.

812
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,039
Speaker 1: I understand, I don't, but I don't.

813
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 2: Recollect hearing the trees moving from the craft or anything.

814
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,320
But I really don't know. Because I was just I

815
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,880
was really like, all my attention was on the object.

816
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: Right, And I totally get that. And what year would

817
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:50,440
you say this was?

818
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,079
Speaker 2: This was two thousand and seven.

819
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:55,079
Speaker 1: Two thousand and seven, so that's the same year I

820
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:58,239
had my sighting, by the way, you know, mine was

821
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,360
more towards the fall as strangest thing. Most people know

822
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,440
exactly the date and everything, and I know, I think

823
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,280
mine was either in October or November, but I'm not positive,

824
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,400
you know, And so I wish I had the exact date.

825
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,159
But I did look it up through mouf on to

826
00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:16,199
see if there was any sightings in that area, and

827
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:20,559
there was in November, but they thought they saw more

828
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:25,960
of a like a cigar shaped situation. But I've also

829
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,800
heard people say that a disc at a distance looks

830
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,880
like a cigar. So I don't know, you know, perhaps

831
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,159
the same sighting it was. It would be awful hard

832
00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:38,159
to tell at this point, right, Did you since you

833
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,719
had it like an interest at that time, did you

834
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,920
consider reporting it? I?

835
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:51,599
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't consider reporting it. I first, I

836
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,320
you know, I'm maybe it's my generation as a millennial,

837
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,639
but I just like my thing about you know, like

838
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,960
authority organizations and stuff is not not my my pathway

839
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:07,599
even I you know, you know, for better or worse.

840
00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:09,559
And this is not to knock anybody, but I was

841
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:15,039
never in to move on per se. Just again, maybe

842
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:20,519
it's it's a generational thing, but my thinking about like

843
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,920
or you know, big organizations like that is never like

844
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:27,159
in you know, and it didn't appeal to me.

845
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand. I just say, okay, all right, well, hey,

846
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:36,719
thanks so much so your your YouTube channel is engaging

847
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,719
in the phenomenon and it's linked down in the show

848
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,639
notes below and in the text below. So I want

849
00:55:42,639 --> 00:55:44,880
to thank you so much for coming on the show.

850
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, thanks for having me again. You know, podcast

851
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,880
UFO is a legendary amongst the you know UFO research crowd.

852
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: Oh thanks so much. That's very nicey to say. All right,

853
00:55:57,039 --> 00:55:59,159
you take care now, and hopefully we'll see in Pine

854
00:55:59,199 --> 00:55:59,960
Bush one year.

855
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I'm like an hour away.

856
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, all right, take care, Yeah, all right,

857
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,679
all right, everyone, So next Tuesday, it's going to be

858
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,119
myself UFO Jack I'm pretty sure he's gonna be there,

859
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:16,679
and Peter Robbins and possibly another guest talking about the

860
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:22,360
Exeter UFO incident and the following Thursday is going to

861
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,599
be Jean and Natalia Sticko. They're going to be talking

862
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:32,920
about Soviet documents related to UFOs and it's going to

863
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,639
be an interesting show. So thank you so much and

864
00:56:35,760 --> 00:57:05,199
remember to keep your eyes to this. Hey,