WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:02.919 On the drive on a Tuesday, Scott, Happy Tuesday, buddy. 2 00:00:02.919 --> 00:00:03.359 How are we doing? 3 00:00:04.559 --> 00:00:06.639 Oh? I could not be better. Right now. It's a 4 00:00:06.639 --> 00:00:09.960 beautiful fall day. I'm sitting on a golf course at 5 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:12.480 the south end of the Salt Lake Valley taking a 6 00:00:12.519 --> 00:00:13.439 break chat with you. 7 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:15.599 There you go. I was going to ask you where 8 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:17.879 you're at, because I've learned it could be a myriad 9 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:20.039 of different things, so I'm just gonna follow up. Where 10 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:20.399 are you golf? 11 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:20.519 From? 12 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:22.079 Which track you're playing today? 13 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:26.000 We're South Mountain. I'm with my youngest son, Zach. We're 14 00:00:26.039 --> 00:00:26.600 having a good time. 15 00:00:26.679 --> 00:00:28.320 Oh, good for you, Good for you. Well, I don't 16 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:29.719 want to take out too much of your time, so 17 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:31.640 let's get to it all the time you need. I 18 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:34.640 appreciate it. What are you seeing as somebody who played 19 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:38.520 quarterback at the highest level of this young backup quarterback 20 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:40.840 who for now appears like he might be the starter? 21 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:43.320 And tell Cam's ready, what stands out most about Isaac's 22 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:43.960 gross Scott. 23 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:47.679 Well, he's started two games and they won both of them, 24 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:50.960 and that's the number one thing. He hasn't really done 25 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:53.920 anything that is going to kill the team. That first 26 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:59.119 interception was almost like a long punt, you know he 27 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:01.159 did have and then he had the one interception going 28 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:04.319 in in the red zone and that down the road 29 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:06.959 could hurt you. But did a lot of really good 30 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:10.200 things and didn't just didn't give up the big, big, 31 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:13.760 big mistake that killed the game. But made a lot 32 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:18.920 of plays both throwing and running where you know, he 33 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:23.159 extended drives, he got the team in scoring because it 34 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:26.200 just I mean, this dude's a freshman and he's playing 35 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:30.319 on the road against a Rake team Oklahoma Stake, great atmosphere, 36 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:33.159 tough place to play, and it didn't really seem to 37 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:33.879 bother much. 38 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:37.719 So what's the Scott Mitchell take on this? Because if 39 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:40.239 I'm hearing from people in the community, I'm sure you 40 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:43.400 are too. And Scott, the bottom line is, and you 41 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:46.519 know this, you were a pro. The money changes things. 42 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:48.760 It just does. When you start to make more money, 43 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:52.200 it even changes it even more. People expect you to 44 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:54.599 show up for work when you're making the kind of 45 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:58.680 money that professional athletes make. And whether it's season ticket 46 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:02.439 holders or boosters or alumni who are continued to add, 47 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:05.719 you know, to be asked to donate more. I mean, 48 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:08.719 there are programs around college football at the University of 49 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:12.000 Tennessee that have announced a ten percent ticket increase in 50 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:14.240 order to keep up with the nil stuff. And I 51 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:18.560 wouldn't be stunned if that's more commonplace and when if 52 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:21.039 the reports are true, Scott the Cameron Rising is being 53 00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:24.000 paid seven figures to play quarterback at the University of Utah. 54 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:27.080 It just changes the way people talk about his lack 55 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:29.639 of availability. Now. For me, I just believe he's hurt 56 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:32.360 and when he's ready, we'll see him. But I know 57 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:35.960 that people across the community are kind of approaching this 58 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:39.039 with a general feel of here we go again. What's 59 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:39.960 your take on all this? 60 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:43.719 Okay, that's a lot, Yes it is, Yes it is. 61 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:47.080 But there's a lot to it though, And money does 62 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:49.599 funny things to everybody. And you know, I think when 63 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:51.800 I was in college and one hundred dollars, you know, 64 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:53.759 I was I thought I was a rich man if 65 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:57.479 I got one hundred dollars. And when I first got 66 00:02:57.479 --> 00:02:59.599 into the pros, you know, you you see all these 67 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:01.599 guys making all this money, and you're, you know, you're 68 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:04.479 you're making you know a little bit more than the minimum, 69 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:06.759 and you're like, I want to be them. So you're 70 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:10.759 very hungry. And then you have guys who they never 71 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:13.759 care about the money, like it's it's about their legacy, 72 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:16.479 and they're there a lot of times. There's the guys 73 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:19.840 that the Peyton Mannings and Tom Brady's you know, Tom 74 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:23.159 Brady took pay cut basically to be the best player ever. 75 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:27.680 So they're those guys. And then they're guys that are like, 76 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:31.280 show me the money, pay me the money, and they're 77 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:34.080 motivated by that. And it's not a bad thing because 78 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:37.120 guys do a lot of good things to get paid. 79 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:39.639 But you see, I mean, look at what happened in 80 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:44.120 the NFL. Tua got paid, Trevor Lawrence got paid. They're 81 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:47.479 talking about these guys, you know, toa may never play again. 82 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:51.919 Trevor Lawrence hasn't played well all year. Dak Prescott just 83 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:54.719 got paid. I don't know how good he's played this year. 84 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:58.759 So it's it's hard. You know, we're human and money 85 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:02.960 does funny things, both directions, and I can't imagine what 86 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:07.080 it's like as a college kid, you know, making you know, 87 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:09.599 like like you said, a lot of money every year. 88 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:16.360 But knowing Cam, he's competitive, like he wants he wants to, 89 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:19.560 you know, go out and play, and and and if 90 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:22.000 and if he's healthy, he's he's a massive help to 91 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:26.240 this team, I mean a massive help. So I don't 92 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:28.920 think it's a question. I really agree with you. The 93 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:33.519 problem is, you know, you don't you don't have the 94 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:39.040 you're you're right about people, I'm paying money for this. 95 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:41.279 You know, it seems like there should be some kind 96 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:43.360 of clause in there, and and and I think there's 97 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:47.160 some thing. Negotiate all different kinds of terms with nil money. 98 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:49.040 You know, you don't just get it all at one time. 99 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:52.800 Maybe there's an injury clause, and maybe there should be 100 00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:55.680 because you're not going to have people donate. You're not 101 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:58.959 gonna have people contribute if they're not getting a return 102 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.240 their money. And it's not just a Utah thing, it's 103 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:06.399 it's a thing across the board. But the reality is 104 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:08.480 the more Zach Wilson plays, the better he's going to play. 105 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:11.079 You're still going to have things to learn with him, 106 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:14.079 but you've proven in probably one of the tougher places 107 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:18.600 to play, he's shown that he can win. So it 108 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:21.319 makes it a little bit more palatable if Cam can't go. 109 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:25.959 Do you think two part question, do you think college 110 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:31.399 teams and coaches should be mandated to report injury statuses 111 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:34.199 before the weekend ahead like they do in the pros 112 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:37.319 and attendant to the question, do you think we're high 113 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:40.360 speed ahead to that reality based off of how much 114 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:43.240 money is at stake for people as a result of 115 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:46.879 information such as who is your starting quarterback? Because everybody 116 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:50.040 can gamble on sports now, you. 117 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:53.079 Know, it's fascinating. I'm not a gambler, but the whole 118 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:58.000 thing fascinates me. The line kept changing like crazy, even 119 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:01.600 during like game day, right, I mean it was like, 120 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:07.120 uh and and I think people were getting information and 121 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:11.399 they they they tend to find information. You know. However, 122 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:17.720 wherever the NFL is very much in bed with gambling, 123 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:22.759 college football probably will be it some time and they 124 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:24.759 and you know, and they'll be they'll have the same 125 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:28.040 kind of arms length. You know, they're going to get 126 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:31.439 paid for every bet that's placed, not not for outcomes 127 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:35.079 or or you know, performance. But that's what the NFL does. 128 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:38.600 I mean, if you want to try to continue to 129 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:43.040 pay all of these players and coaches, you got to 130 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:45.399 find new ways and new sources of revenue. So I 131 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:47.519 wouldn't be surprised that down the road that does that 132 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:52.120 does happen. If it does, yeah, then injuries are going 133 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:56.759 to become a relevant part of you know, your weekly discussion, 134 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:00.360 and and they're going to have all the different you know, likely, questionable, 135 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:06.800 out probable kind of designations for guys. I know when 136 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:10.160 I played, there was a there was like a Thursday 137 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:13.399 that was like, techno, I'm not playing, and then Sunday 138 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:14.879 it was like, yeah, I think I can do this. 139 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:18.240 You know, so people you know, it's not just there's 140 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:21.879 just gamesmanship. I mean some people actually they do change 141 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:26.079 and whatever. But but I think it will definitely go 142 00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:32.120 towards like a like a pro model, you know that. 143 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:37.120 I heard today someone I know who it was talking about, 144 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:41.560 you know, taking the highest division of college football and 145 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:46.519 just taking it totally independent of the NCAA, almost like 146 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:50.439 a semi professional league type of thing. And so then 147 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:55.360 when you get that, then you can regulate like the money, 148 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:58.399 you can regulate when people can go and and become 149 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:02.480 a free agent, you can regulate injuries, all those things. 150 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:06.199 And it just feels only because college football is not 151 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:09.959 amateur athletics. It's a big, huge business. And I think 152 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:11.959 once the cat came out of the back, once everyone 153 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:17.240 admitted that then this whole almost at breakneck speed, This 154 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:20.639 whole thing is going towards a professional model. 155 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:24.160 So give us your best guess or maybe you know. 156 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:26.439 I mean, we don't see practice, so it's hard to know, 157 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:30.079 but you know, coach wit And during his Monday morning 158 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:33.279 pressure he said it was literally a game time decision. 159 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:36.360 They decided about fifteen to twenty minutes prior to kick 160 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:40.279 that it was Isaac and not Cameron. So what does 161 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:43.320 that look like, Scott? During the week, Let's just operate 162 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.240 off the assumption that we're in the same situation that 163 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:50.000 they're going to wait until kicktime Saturday night to decide 164 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:53.639 who it is under center. Does that do one of 165 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:55.840 the other, you know, one of the two options of 166 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:58.399 disservice because they don't get as much reps with the 167 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:00.600 ones during the week. Do they both get reps with 168 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:03.039 the ones during the week? Like, what does it look 169 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:05.759 like when you have two options, if we're taking them 170 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:08.960 at their word to prepare for a game over the 171 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:10.879 weekend during during the week, what does it look in 172 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:12.120 kind of feel x Scott? 173 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:17.159 So when I played, like practice reps were like so sacred, 174 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:21.000 like and you're the starter and you're taking every possible 175 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:23.919 rep you can take in every drill, like you know, 176 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:26.519 you know that there's a process that you have to 177 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:29.879 go through every week to prepare yourself, and you're you're 178 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:34.559 so finely tuned, and just the little, the little variance 179 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:36.919 just can really throw you off. And for me, that 180 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:39.360 glove is a vary instead. I did drive me nuts. 181 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:41.720 And I don't know how in a week's time I 182 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:43.320 could just throw a glove on and go okay, yeah, 183 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:44.720 go out and play at a really high level and 184 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:47.879 be really accurate and feel comfortable. I just don't see 185 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:52.200 that personally. But aside from that, I want all the 186 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:54.000 reps if I'm going to be the guy. And and 187 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:57.519 the problem with with what's going on at Utah Isaac Wilson, 188 00:09:57.559 --> 00:10:00.919 a true freshman needs more than every rep have in practice. 189 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:04.799 Cam Rising, who hasn't played and is rusty and is 190 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:07.360 trying to figure out if his hand's okay, he needs 191 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:10.480 every rep, And it's like everybody needs every rep and 192 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:13.919 and to you know, to divide and and decide, you know, 193 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:16.759 you know, kind of halfway, you know, listening to coach 194 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:19.279 Winningham said, well, Cam took more of the reps earlier 195 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:22.440 in the week and Isaac took him more later. It's 196 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:25.639 like that just scares me. It's that old adage, you know, 197 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:28.720 two quarterbacks you don't have one and and that, and 198 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:30.799 it's kind of that scenario, even though both of them 199 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:33.799 are a quarterback and are are the guy that you 200 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:37.399 you'd want to have out there on the on the field. 201 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:41.759 It's just it's almost like you got to go into 202 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:44.519 this like or what do we Tuesday? You have to 203 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:48.240 go in Monday and just say, are you any significantly 204 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:52.320 better than you were on Saturday? Because I watched Cam 205 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:54.840 warm up and he did not look good like I was, 206 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:58.799 so I was. I was so relieved, honestly Spence when 207 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:00.840 he did not start the game, because I go, I 208 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:02.480 don't know how he's going to throw the ball. I mean, 209 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:05.360 it looks so bad. There was like when coach Whittingham 210 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:07.039 said there was no zip on the ball. There was 211 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:10.080 no zip on the ball. And I was and I 212 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:12.279 was concerned for Cam, you know, because because you know, 213 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:14.360 it's it's hard if you can't throw the ball. I mean, 214 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:18.919 that's that's really hard. So I just if it was me, 215 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:21.200 I would pick a guy early in the in the weekend. 216 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:23.200 I go with him, and and Isaac might be the 217 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:28.879 better choice only because if he's not playing well and 218 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:32.039 you can go to Cam, you know, if he's like, hey, 219 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:34.200 you know, I'm feeling pretty good on game day whatever, 220 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:36.919 then you always have Cam Risen kind of sitting there 221 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:41.600 on the sideline right now as an option. Isaac Wilson's 222 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:44.159 is as confident as he's ever been since he's been 223 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:46.919 at the University of Utah. He's going to get better 224 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:49.279 and better and better. He's the guy that's got the 225 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:52.320 most game experience right now, and you might be wise 226 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:54.480 just to write that as long as you possibly can. 227 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:57.960 This is not equivocally unfair, Scott, But I'm going to 228 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:01.480 ask you anyway, based off of fished, off of what 229 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:06.639 you saw in person, stillwater of Cameron warming up, give 230 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:08.840 me your best guess about whether or not we see 231 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:10.919 him on Saturday against Arizona. 232 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:18.759 Oh, I don't think it's unfair because I'd have to 233 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:24.120 see a significant change from last week, like a significant change, 234 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:27.360 and maybe maybe it's hey, you know what, maybe we're 235 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:31.080 better off we're at home. We're gonna have the electricity 236 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:36.600 of the crowd. Night Dark Knight. Isaac's playing playing well, 237 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:39.679 the defense is playing well, then then you have a 238 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:43.320 bye week and then that's a more maybe sensible and 239 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:47.039 reasonable way to kind of see where Cam is. And 240 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:50.399 if it was me today, Spence, I would I would 241 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:52.799 start Isaac Wilson, I really would. 242 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:56.120 Interesting And you know what, and I talked to you 243 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:58.080 about this couple of weeks ago, and as you know, 244 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.759 you played in the pros. You know, most great quarterbacks 245 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:05.919 have that outlet, have that comfort, you know, that blanket, 246 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:08.519 you know, the guy they feel comfortable going to when 247 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:12.000 nothing is there. Does it feel like maybe with Isaac 248 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:13.960 that guy is Dorian Singer. I mean we saw a 249 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:17.440 nice Dorian Singer game against Okay State. Seven catches, ninety 250 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:18.039 five yards. 251 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:21.600 Yeah, you're starting to see that emerge, you know, and 252 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:24.360 it's just because he's getting, you know, opportunities to play. 253 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:27.200 I mean, when Utah has eighty plays in a game, 254 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:31.559 you can start finding your security blanket in a hurry. 255 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:35.000 And Dorian was phenomenal in that game. And he's not 256 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:38.720 the only one. Money Parks is a great option. Mackay 257 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:42.080 Bernard running the football is a great option. Bran Keithy 258 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:44.279 is a great option. Really, pick a tight end is 259 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:47.320 a great option. In this in this offense. And that's 260 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:50.080 the beautiful thing about Isaac Wilson. He does not have 261 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:52.639 to do this by himself. And he's got a great 262 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:56.080 defense and he's got great support around him. That offensive 263 00:13:56.120 --> 00:13:58.960 line is really starting to come to life right now. 264 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:01.279 The thing with because you're gonna see a lot of 265 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:03.120 good things and then he's gonna run into something he 266 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:05.919 hasn't run into. So like last week it was pressure 267 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:08.600 in the red zone and he's never felt like blitz 268 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:11.159 pressure like that ever in his life. Ever at Corner Canyon. 269 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:13.399 I mean, they're just not the same athletes. It's not 270 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:17.279 the same speed. And so there were some throws that 271 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:20.639 were just off that a veteran savvy quarterback is licking 272 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:23.759 his chops and the throat of money parks down the 273 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:26.639 middle of the field. That the touchdown. The throw to 274 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:29.399 Dori and Singer that got almost intercepted in the end zone, 275 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:32.360 that's a touchdown. The pass to bran Keithy is not 276 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:38.639 almost tipped. So it's it's really it's just you're gonna 277 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:41.279 see good stuff and then you're gonna see moments of growth. 278 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:43.240 You know. After the game, he said, oh, there's some 279 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:45.039 good things and bad things, and I said, no, there 280 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:47.000 were some good things, and there were some learning things. 281 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:49.919 You're just learning, kid, You know, these aren't bad things. 282 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:52.279 You're just seeing it for the first time. So he's 283 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:55.080 going to go through maybe five or six games seeing 284 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.320 things that maybe he hasn't seen, and then he'll really 285 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.639 really get dialed into things and and feel really comfortable. 286 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:05.639 I think this offense spence could be super explosive, like 287 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:08.840 they should be scoring forty points a game. They have 288 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:12.360 that much potential and that much talent on that offense. 289 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:15.360 It's just getting the right guy under center that can 290 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:17.679 deliver and get the ball to the right people. 291 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:20.679 Of course, this early in the season, there's still a 292 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:24.519 lot of observation, not conclusion, and you want the team 293 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:27.360 and the players simply to improve week by week by 294 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:29.799 week by week. If I ask you, Scott, with your 295 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:33.440 keen quarterback guy, what's the next step in the evolution 296 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:36.720 and the growth of Isaac Wilson? What does that look 297 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:38.120 and sound like to you? 298 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:41.759 It's gonna sound funny, but it's a real thing. I'm 299 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:44.799 telling you real thing. It's how do you handle success? 300 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:47.519 Like all of a sudden, you start playing really good 301 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:50.159 and then you start getting like cocky and feeling like 302 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:53.360 you've arrived and you're dead at that moment. It will 303 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:56.639 kill you. You will be humbled in a New York minute 304 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:01.000 in those situations. And you know, and and Isaac Wilson's 305 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:03.240 really feeling it right now, and he should be, but 306 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:05.240 he's he's a long way. There's a lot of things 307 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:07.360 right now he doesn't even know. He doesn't even know 308 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:10.440 that he's going to run into. And so it's it's 309 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:13.759 staying hungry, it's staying humble, it's staying focused, it's it's 310 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:16.360 staying in the moment. Is really the next step in 311 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:21.080 the evolution. So often we don't handle success well like 312 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:24.799 we all seem to handle adversity and failure because because 313 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:28.200 it's it's embarrassing, it's it's frustrating, It makes us mad, 314 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:30.840 makes us more focused. You know, when you're when things 315 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:32.799 are going great, you're not sitting here going, oh man, 316 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:34.519 I'm so mad at the world. You know, because we're 317 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:37.200 like four and oh and ranked top ten in the car. 318 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:39.799 You know, it's hard to get mad. And a lot 319 00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:42.639 of good players, you know, Michael Jordan used to manufacture 320 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:46.320 mad and and and a lot of these guys and 321 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:48.720 he I mean, I know in my career you just 322 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:52.320 never feel comfortable. You just never feel like you've arrived. 323 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:55.480 You can't or you'll get you will get run over. 324 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:59.519 And it's the biggest challenge I think Isaac will face 325 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:03.039 maybe in its whole time at Utah. 326 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:07.559 All right, one more question about the Isaac Wilson dynamic, 327 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:09.119 and then we'll move on to some other things. With 328 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:10.839 a few minutes left, and I'll set you loose. Do 329 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:13.960 you have you seen enough to believe? And let's be clear, 330 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:18.839 no clue who's going to start Saturday, and no clue 331 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.519 when Cam We'll be back, and it might be Saturday. 332 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:23.599 But again, the community is kind of like, here we 333 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:26.440 go again. If it's Isaac, and if they ride with Isaac, 334 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:28.039 have you seen enough to believe that they can win 335 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:30.599 the Big twelve? If the quarterback all year is Isaac Wilson, 336 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:33.039 you know, it's. 337 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:36.119 A question of whether he continues to grow. You know, 338 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:39.680 people you know you've see in the NFL right now. 339 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:42.880 You know, Jaydon Daniels was phenomenal last night on Monday 340 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:46.160 Night fotball. I'm unbelievable. But it's it's only two or 341 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:48.440 three games in the season. All of a sudden, people 342 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:50.759 are going to get four games on this guy, and 343 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:52.799 things are going to change in a hurry. They're going 344 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:55.039 to start seeing the tendencies and they're going to know 345 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:56.680 how to defend him, because right now they don't really 346 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.000 know because he's just new. And you know, Andy Dalph 347 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:02.240 and all of a sudden starts for the for the 348 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:05.119 Carolina Panthers and he plays great. You know, well, let's 349 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:07.039 see where he is in four weeks, is you know, 350 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:09.519 because people will start to dial in and figure out. 351 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:13.279 And that's the same thing with with Isaac Wilson. No 352 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:16.640 one knows anything about him right now and they're they're 353 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:19.720 trying to figure stuff out. And so can he adapt? 354 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:23.119 Can he evolve? Can they make the adjustments? Can he 355 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:26.160 adjusts as it goes on? And can he handle the pressure? 356 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:29.079 I mean, I'll give you a great example. All of 357 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:31.680 a sudden, the YU seem to show up, you know, 358 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:34.920 down south, and that rivalry game certainly looks a little 359 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:38.599 different right now. Although I know that Utah is a 360 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:42.400 better team, it's a real rivalry and if BYU has 361 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:45.920 confidence and thinks that they're in it, it makes that 362 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:49.039 game so much harder and rivalry games are weird and 363 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:51.079 they're hard, and so that's something he's going to have 364 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:52.559 to deal with. He's going to have to deal with 365 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:55.960 playing on the road with a tough a tough opponent 366 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:59.039 like maybe a UTHTF toward the end of the year, 367 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:01.480 or maybe call Colorado, you know, toward the end of 368 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:04.319 the year, and then going into the Big twelve championship game, 369 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:08.240 it's sits a different level of pressure and and a 370 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:10.000 lot of guys, you know, that first time they go 371 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:12.079 through it, yeah it's not so good, you know, And 372 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:14.839 then and then maybe the next time they're they're better 373 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:18.079 at it. I don't know if he's mature enough to 374 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:21.440 handle that. He certainly was mature enough to handle a 375 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:25.960 hostile crowd, a Big twelve opponent one, you know that 376 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:28.400 it was actually a pretty good upon better than people 377 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:31.880 might think. I just think Utah is pretty good. And 378 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:36.599 so can he win a Big twelve championship? Yeah? If 379 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:39.160 if he if he evolves, and if he matures, and 380 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:40.640 if he kind of stays humble. 381 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:43.880 So let's move away from the quarterback spot. A couple 382 00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:46.599 of minutes left here, And I don't want to say 383 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:50.160 that I didn't think Mackay Bernard couldn't run between the tackles. 384 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:52.880 I just don't know that I've ever seen it very consistently, 385 00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:56.079 more of like a you know, some AGP Ryan third 386 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:58.799 down catch, a pass out of the backfield type, occasional 387 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:02.880 stretch handoff type. But are we seeing the evolution of 388 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:07.160 Mackay Bernard into a bell cow for Utah? After the 389 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:09.000 debate about who the running back will be, and what 390 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:10.920 stands out most to you about the way he seems 391 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:12.400 to be growing right before our eyes? 392 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:16.119 Well, I saw, I saw macar McKay the first game 393 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:18.559 of the season, and they were tough yards, and they 394 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:21.359 were those inside the tackle runs, and I go, I've 395 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:24.440 never seen that from Mackay. And and then and then 396 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:26.960 all of a sudden it started to evolve and and 397 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:29.799 he got more carries and got more comfortable, even talked 398 00:20:29.799 --> 00:20:34.079 about I got better vision, you know, after after watching 399 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:37.839 uh So, it's a definite departure from the player he 400 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:40.640 was he was. He was certainly more of a pass 401 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:44.359