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Speaker 2: about Hurricane Milton. We told you there were at least
Speaker 2: four people confirmed dead from tornadoes that sprung up because
Speaker 2: of Hurricane Milton.
Speaker 3: Now in Saint.
Speaker 2: Petersburg, the police there say there are two deaths related
Speaker 2: to the storm. One of them was a medical incident
Speaker 2: and the other is i'll just quote it, someone that
Speaker 2: was found in a park. The cause of death pending.
Speaker 2: And we're starting to see the first idiots. The hurricane
Speaker 2: just left landfall not too long ago, and we have
Speaker 2: the first idiots going around cutting lines that they see,
Speaker 2: I guess, thinking that they're helping. So Florida State authorities
Speaker 2: are urging people please do not cut any line because
Speaker 2: you don't know. If it's a cable line, you don't know,
Speaker 2: if it's an electrical line, you don't know.
Speaker 3: If it's a fiber optic line.
Speaker 2: Most of the nine to one to one systems run
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Speaker 2: any lines.
Speaker 3: Now as we do every time.
Speaker 2: This week we bring on Joel Larscard, the host of
Speaker 2: how to Money right here on KFI every Sunday from
Speaker 2: noon to two pm on social media at how to Money.
Speaker 3: Joel. Good morning, sir, thank you for being here.
Speaker 4: Good morning Wayne.
Speaker 2: Well let's get right into this. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: things to talk about. So I want to start with Experience.
Speaker 2: A credit bureau apparently now they have a debit card. Why.
Speaker 4: That's a really good question.
Speaker 3: Why Why and how?
Speaker 2: I because I think of a debit card as being
Speaker 2: a card to directly access a bank account.
Speaker 3: Last time I checked, Experience not a bank.
Speaker 5: Right, and and so yeah, the credit bureaus are already
Speaker 5: fairly untrustworthy. Nobody after the Experience credit breach of twenty
Speaker 5: seventeen and one hundred plus million Americans data being leaked out.
Speaker 5: The credit bureaus don't necessarily and think about all the
Speaker 5: problems that people have with credit bureaus. If there's a
Speaker 5: problem on their credit report and they try to get
Speaker 5: it fixed, most of the time, the credit bureaus are
Speaker 5: incredibly unhelpful. And now they're saying, hey, listen, we want
Speaker 5: to kind of act as a bank for you now.
Speaker 4: Too, and so they know.
Speaker 5: They've cleverly named this their smart money debit card, and
Speaker 5: so they're partnering with some other bank, as fintech companies
Speaker 5: tend to do these days, to offer this service that
Speaker 5: they say is going to actually maybe help you improve
Speaker 5: your credit. At the same time, it's completely over sold.
Speaker 5: The perks are lackluster. This isn't a great product, and
Speaker 5: people have to think really long and hard about who
Speaker 5: they do business with. We're in an age of like
Speaker 5: ever proliferating options on the on the banking front, and
Speaker 5: really so many things that we can do. We have
Speaker 5: more options than ever before. But it doesn't mean that
Speaker 5: those sure options are good.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, I got a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: So I guess my first quest you mentioned you know
Speaker 2: this this new trend of partnering with different banks, which
Speaker 2: is what Apple does with its Apple Card, Yes, which
Speaker 2: is managed by is it Goldman Sacks?
Speaker 5: I forget, Yeah, which supposedly in limbo, like somebody else
Speaker 5: might be taking that over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they want it. Goldman wants out. But but okay,
Speaker 2: but that's a credit card. Now here's experience, and they're
Speaker 2: gonna get with a bank. I guess will be behind
Speaker 2: the scenes, it's a debit card. How does using a
Speaker 2: debit card help your credit? You're not you're not You're
Speaker 2: not borrowing money. When you use a credit card, you're
Speaker 2: technically borrowing money for a period of time and.
Speaker 3: Then you pay it back.
Speaker 2: And then people go, oh, look he paid back this
Speaker 2: money that he borrowed by charging on his card. But
Speaker 2: a debit card is uh, please give that guy my
Speaker 2: money right now.
Speaker 3: Wow, So how does that build credit?
Speaker 5: So Experience has this thing behind the scenes called Experience Boost,
Speaker 5: and what they're trying to do is check and see, hey,
Speaker 5: is this person paying some of those monthly bills every
Speaker 5: single month consistently and on time? And so that's something
Speaker 5: they can tell if you're using a debit card. And actually,
Speaker 5: in some ways, I kind of like that because the
Speaker 5: way the credit scoring system works, You're right, there's all
Speaker 5: these hoops that you have to jump through, and they're like,
Speaker 5: we have to It takes a long time to explain
Speaker 5: exactly how credit scores work and what people can do
Speaker 5: to improve their credit scores. And for a lot of
Speaker 5: people that are like, I don't even why is my
Speaker 5: credit score six twenty? I don't even know, and so
Speaker 5: that's like another system that people have to learn oftentimes
Speaker 5: when we're talking about improving their financial life. And so
Speaker 5: this is a way. But the Experience Boost thing where
Speaker 5: if you just pay your rent and let's say your
Speaker 5: electricity bill or something like that on time every month,
Speaker 5: you might be able to see like an incremental boost
Speaker 5: in your credit score. So I think that's kind of cool.
Speaker 5: But the interesting thing is, uh, Experience Boost is free,
Speaker 5: and you can sign up at their website and you
Speaker 5: can potentially improve your credit score with experience. By doing that,
Speaker 5: you don't have to actually get the debit card that
Speaker 5: they're trying to push on you to make that happen.
Speaker 3: Wait, but I'm confused.
Speaker 2: You mean the the debit card would help you because
Speaker 2: you would pay your electric bill with the debit card.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so they're just saying, oh, this is the
Speaker 5: kind of person who pays their bills on time every single.
Speaker 3: Got it if you pay your bill with the with
Speaker 3: the debit card.
Speaker 2: So they're targeting so they're targeting people who want to
Speaker 2: improve their the that's the selling point is this can
Speaker 2: help you improve your credit score.
Speaker 3: So they're targeting people who I'm assuming.
Speaker 2: Have lower credit scores with the promis audience, with the
Speaker 2: promise of use this card get into bed further with
Speaker 2: us directly. It's almost know, I mean, how far and
Speaker 2: be honest, don't don't agree with me just to be
Speaker 2: nice because you're a nice person. How far away is
Speaker 2: this from? Hey, if you want a better credit score,
Speaker 2: why don't you just hand me some money in an envelope? Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, it's got some mafia esque vibes to it. And
Speaker 5: the other thing, like the credit bureaus are so untrustworthy.
Speaker 5: For instance, like the best solution for so many people
Speaker 5: if you want to protect your credit score is to
Speaker 5: do something known as a credit freeze. And the thing is,
Speaker 5: a credit freeze is free thanks to federal law. And
Speaker 5: yet they have their own proprietary products that are like
Speaker 5: credit locks. So they have their own naming systems and
Speaker 5: naming conventions for these things. And you can go to
Speaker 5: their website and they'll try to sell you on why
Speaker 5: this is so good, And it's only twenty bucks a month,
Speaker 5: which is more than you pay for Netflix, but it's
Speaker 5: an inferior product. It's not as good as a credit freeze,
Speaker 5: and yet it's going to cost you like two hundred
Speaker 5: plus bucks a year to get this product from them.
Speaker 5: They're marketing things in order to try to increase their profitability,
Speaker 5: but things that are great for them, but they're awful
Speaker 5: for you. They are free products that are that are
Speaker 5: superior that Uh yeah, you don't. Their marketing strategies are
Speaker 5: often aimed at parting consumers from their money, but not
Speaker 5: really offering them much in return.
Speaker 3: Wayne Resnik.
Speaker 2: Here until nine o'clock, we are with Joel lars Guard,
Speaker 2: the host of how to Money every Sunday noon to
Speaker 2: too right here on KFI and on social media at
Speaker 2: how to Money, Joel, Joel, I know that Bloomberg, I
Speaker 2: don't remember how long ago it was published a thing
Speaker 2: and said there is there is one hundred percent going
Speaker 2: to be a recession.
Speaker 4: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: Now that didn't happen, So that was two years ago,
Speaker 2: and which is pretty great. Yeah, Well that proves that
Speaker 2: at least not all predictions about whether there's going to
Speaker 2: be a recession are worth anything. What's the current state,
Speaker 2: who's predicting what about the chance of a recession? And when,
Speaker 2: if ever, should we pay attention to these predictions.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a really good idea to basically
Speaker 5: hold people accountable when they make a prediction that's completely
Speaker 5: off base. And there are people out there all the
Speaker 5: time on I mean that these twenty four to seven
Speaker 5: news networks, twenty four to seven business networks, they got
Speaker 5: to have people on to talk about stuff, and they
Speaker 5: got to have sensational headlines to kind of make the
Speaker 5: world go around. And yeah, this prediction a couple of
Speaker 5: years ago, literallysion the recession indicator that Bloomberg quote unquote
Speaker 5: has said one hundred percent certainty it's going to happen
Speaker 5: within the next twelve months. And we've seen what's happened
Speaker 5: with the economy over the last couple of years. Not
Speaker 5: perfect for everyone, but my goodness, we're in one of
Speaker 5: the best economic situations we've been in. And now there
Speaker 5: was another I think it was Golden Sacks basically just
Speaker 5: said we've reduced our projected likelihood of a recession to
Speaker 5: just fifteen percent in the coming year. And yeah, when
Speaker 5: you there's always like this joke that economists have predicted
Speaker 5: like eight of the last three recessions, Like there's always
Speaker 5: somebody saying there's no dearth of people saying that there's
Speaker 5: something negative is going to is going to happen. It's
Speaker 5: coming around the bend. You should be worried.
Speaker 4: And then now.
Speaker 5: I almost feel like I'm a little bit worried when
Speaker 5: someone says, ah, recession probably not going to happen. We
Speaker 5: shouldn't be worried at all. That might be actually the
Speaker 5: time when we should be a little more worried.
Speaker 2: So it's a fools It's a fool's game, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think so trying to say to people, this is what
Speaker 2: you can count on.
Speaker 5: Everybody's got everybody's got an opinion, right, And I get
Speaker 5: why someone might say, hey, everything's going really well right now,
Speaker 5: recession doesn't seem like it's around the bend. But oftentimes
Speaker 5: the things that cause recessions are causing economic downturns are
Speaker 5: really hard to see. Like think about something like COVID,
Speaker 5: like nobody was predicting, Oh, guess what, pretty sure that's
Speaker 5: going to send supply shocks through the economy and cause
Speaker 5: a really different difficult economic time for the United States
Speaker 5: and for the world. Or think about maybe what's happening
Speaker 5: now in the Middle East. If things get out of control,
Speaker 5: could oil prices shoot up, could it create some dark
Speaker 5: clouds of the economy.
Speaker 3: Sure, it totally could.
Speaker 5: And so these are there are things that really we
Speaker 5: don't it's hard to predict. And so my advice on
Speaker 5: a personal finance level to people is to ay, maybe
Speaker 5: tune people out if they say, oh, this is definitely
Speaker 5: gonna happen, or there's no chance of this happening. I
Speaker 5: would I would take that with a grain of salt,
Speaker 5: and on top of that, be prepared for whatever could
Speaker 5: come about, because even if there's not some sort of
Speaker 5: macro recession in our economy economy, there could be a
Speaker 5: micro recession in your life if let's say your industry
Speaker 5: is hit and your job is cut or something like that,
Speaker 5: and you have to go out there and try to
Speaker 5: find something else in a different difficult economic climate. Even
Speaker 5: if there's not some sort of macrocession, I always want
Speaker 5: people to be prepared in their own home for the
Speaker 5: potential of a recession in their own lives.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, let's move on to this.
Speaker 2: Yesterday I talked about how Kamala Harris is going to
Speaker 2: crack down on price gouging. Oh, yeah, but there's there's
Speaker 2: the Federal Reserve Bank have done these studies and said
Speaker 2: there really isn't widespread price There is some some places,
Speaker 2: but there's really not widespread price gouging. And Elizabeth Warren
Speaker 2: now is out there wanting to crack down on shrinkflation
Speaker 2: when instead of raising the price, the company, you know,
Speaker 2: makes the product smaller. And I got a note here
Speaker 2: that you wanted to talk about how you don't think
Speaker 2: it's that shrink flation is a real problem. Do you
Speaker 2: mean you don't think it happens or do you think
Speaker 2: it doesn't. It happens, but it doesn't really it's not
Speaker 2: an important thing relative to all the other financial.
Speaker 5: Issues that people have. Yeah, no, it definitely, it definitely happens.
Speaker 5: But when you think about how big of a problem
Speaker 5: is it and what would the flip side be, it
Speaker 5: certainly seems like a really silly thing to complain about.
Speaker 5: So oh man, the family size of cocoa puffs shrunk
Speaker 5: from nineteen ounces to eighteen ounces, and yet they're charging
Speaker 5: the same price. And these are the kind of things
Speaker 5: that some of our politicians are sending letters to the
Speaker 5: heads of some of these companies about, hey, stop the
Speaker 5: shrink flation, keep those package sizes the same, don't shrink
Speaker 5: my gatorade bottle by four ounces, and so this is
Speaker 5: what's happening. But and yes, is the bottle size or
Speaker 5: the package size? Is it shrinking? Yes, but the alternative,
Speaker 5: because we all know prices have gone up the cost
Speaker 5: of hiring employees, like the labor costs have gone up too.
Speaker 5: Like if you don't want your gatorade bottle size to
Speaker 5: shrink by four ounces, the alternative is paying more for
Speaker 5: the bigger bottle. And so these companies know that they
Speaker 5: want to keep you loyal. They don't want you to
Speaker 5: be sticker shocked at the store and then say I'm
Speaker 5: not going to buy the Gatorade because it costs too much.
Speaker 5: What they'd rather do is shrink the size of the product,
Speaker 5: hoping that you'll remain a customer. I think shrinkflation. I
Speaker 5: don't know why people are up in arms about it
Speaker 5: in the ways that they are, because I actually think
Speaker 5: of it as a good thing. That the onus on
Speaker 5: the consumer then is to know the price per unit, right,
Speaker 5: and that's often listed on the price tag. Let's say
Speaker 5: you're you're walking around at your local grocery store or costco.
Speaker 5: You can see, okay, what's the price per unit? How
Speaker 5: much does this per ounce? And you can compare prices
Speaker 5: that way, you want to be an informed consumer. But
Speaker 5: I don't think of shrinkflation as actually a big deal
Speaker 5: or even a bad.
Speaker 4: Thing at all.
Speaker 2: Almost sounds like it's an opportunity for us to be
Speaker 2: smarter consumers.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think maybe some people don't realize and
Speaker 5: they pick up the bottle and they're like, oh man,
Speaker 5: that felt like it might have been a little bit less.
Speaker 5: Or think about ice cream containers instead of being a
Speaker 5: full pint now they're one and a half courts or
Speaker 5: something like that, And I get why maybe that might
Speaker 5: frustrate people, but again, the alternative is paying more for
Speaker 5: the thing, And the truth is you're paying more per
Speaker 5: ounce or you're paying more, you know, per per gallon.
Speaker 4: Of ice cream that you consume.
Speaker 3: But it's gonna happen either way.
Speaker 5: And I don't mind kind of the tack to that
Speaker 5: companies take of saying we're gonna slightly reduce the packaging
Speaker 5: size try to keep the price the same, to try
Speaker 5: to prevent people from freaking out. And it's just really
Speaker 5: it's so strange because guess what if the packaging for
Speaker 5: Gatorade changes and you don't like that, Well, you can
Speaker 5: go to power aid or something like that. Right, there
Speaker 5: are still other options for people out there. This is
Speaker 5: just one of those weird things done. I'm shocked continues
Speaker 5: to be something that remains in the limelight as an
Speaker 5: area of focus.
Speaker 3: Great to talk to you, Joel.
Speaker 2: We will check you out when you're hosting how to
Speaker 2: Money this Sunday from noon to two on KFI and
Speaker 2: on social media. How to Money Joel, and looking forward
Speaker 2: to talking to you again next week.
Speaker 3: Sounds good, Thanks Wayne.
Speaker 2: All right there he goes Joel Larscart and we're watching
Speaker 2: some stories for you, including obviously Hurricane Milton and the aftermath.
Speaker 2: We know that four people were killed by tornadoes, and
Speaker 2: now we're getting word from Saint Petersburg that two people
Speaker 2: were well.
Speaker 3: They passed away related to the storm.
Speaker 2: There was a medical incident, and then somebody was found
Speaker 2: in a park deceased. They are still trying to figure
Speaker 2: out precisely what the cause of death was. There three
Speaker 2: million plus homes and businesses without power. President Biden getting
Speaker 2: updates from a Homeland Security advisor as well as from
Speaker 2: the head of FEMA, and the recovery work begins. Now
Speaker 2: there's still a presidential campaign going on and vice presidential
Speaker 2: candidate Tim Walls been going around the country and he
Speaker 2: was in California and he was appearing with Governor Newsom
Speaker 2: and he was talking about getting rid of the electoral College.
Speaker 2: He said, I think all of us know the electoral
Speaker 2: College needs to go, which is a lot of people
Speaker 2: want to keep.
Speaker 3: The electoral College.
Speaker 2: And those people are Trump supporters because the electoral college
Speaker 2: absolutely helps Donald Trump in his quest to be the
Speaker 2: president again. So in any event, he's running around talking
Speaker 2: about getting rid of the electoral College. It wasn't just
Speaker 2: with Gavin Newsom here in California. Apparently he was talking
Speaker 2: like that up in Seattle. And I'm not saying he's
Speaker 2: I mean, lots of people want to get rid of
Speaker 2: the electoral College, maybe just as many. Actually, polling shows
Speaker 2: a majority of Americans want to get rid of the
Speaker 2: electoral college. So what he's saying is the more popular position.
Speaker 2: But the campaign, the Harris Walls campaign, is not like
Speaker 2: they're not making it a big deal as part of
Speaker 2: the official campaign platform or anything like that. It is
Speaker 2: not an official position of the campaign to get rid
Speaker 2: of the electoral College. If it was gone, it would
Speaker 2: be far more likely that we would have President Harris
Speaker 2: and less likely that we will have President Trump again.
Speaker 3: But in any.
Speaker 2: Event, the question has been raised since most Americans a majority,
Speaker 2: want to get rid of the electoral College, to remind
Speaker 2: ourselves why it's there at all, because, you know, the
Speaker 2: Founding Fathers at that time, it was such, it was
Speaker 2: a completely different country, slavery anywhere in the country, and
Speaker 2: have a modern perspective, they couldn't possibly and so the
Speaker 2: big problem was they're trying to put together a country
Speaker 2: and they're trying to decide how will we elect a president?
Speaker 2: And the Southern slave states were saying, hey, this is bs.
Speaker 2: You can't just let everybody vote and then whoever gets
Speaker 2: the most.
Speaker 3: Vote that they win. We can't have that. Well why not?
Speaker 2: Well, number one, you know, a lot of people are stupid.
Speaker 2: We don't really want ordinary people voting and picking a president.
Speaker 2: And a lot of the Founding Fathers agreed. In fact,
Speaker 2: most of the Founding Fathers seem to agree that you
Speaker 2: know what, something like president, you don't want to just
Speaker 2: let every Tom, Dick and Harry vote for the president.
Speaker 2: They weren't not huge fans of direct democracy, the Founding Fathers.
Speaker 2: They said, yeah, Okay, a lot of people are stupid,
Speaker 2: that's true, But why else And the Southern States said, well,
Speaker 2: because we have all of these people living here who
Speaker 2: can't vote, and so we're not getting any credit for
Speaker 2: how many congressional seats that we get or how many
Speaker 2: you know, our contribution to electing a president, because we've
Speaker 2: got so many people who are here and they deserve
Speaker 2: to be part of the equation, but they can't vote.
Speaker 2: And the founding fathers said, oh, yeah, you know, you
Speaker 2: got women there, and they said, no, no, not them,
Speaker 2: the slaves.
Speaker 3: We have.
Speaker 2: The reason that we have a lot of people that
Speaker 2: can't vote and we're not getting counted properly or completely
Speaker 2: is because we enslave people here.
Speaker 3: We keep them as personal, private property.
Speaker 2: And we would like to get some benefit from the
Speaker 2: presence of these slaves. And the founding father said, all right,
Speaker 2: here's what we're gonna do. And you've probably heard this
Speaker 2: idea that slaves were considered three fifths of a person.
Speaker 2: That's for the purpose of the electoral college. They said,
Speaker 2: here's what we'll do. White people are a person. You
Speaker 2: got all these slaves, we'll let them count each one
Speaker 2: as three fifths of a person in order to come
Speaker 2: up with the total people that you have to determine
Speaker 2: how many congressional seats you get and your proportionate contribution
Speaker 2: to the election of a president. That's why we have it.
Speaker 2: And that's not a great reason to have it. You
Speaker 2: could say, well, what about put aside the slavery and
Speaker 2: the racism and all that, what about just the fact
Speaker 2: that you have big states with lots of people and
Speaker 2: you have little states with not a lot of people,
Speaker 2: and you don't want the big states stomping on the
Speaker 2: little states.
Speaker 3: And that was a concern at the time.
Speaker 2: At the time it was New York and Virginia, where
Speaker 2: like the big dog states and the smaller states were like,
Speaker 2: we don't want New York in Virginia dictating everything. Now,
Speaker 2: that might be a legitimate reason to not use the
Speaker 2: popular vote, but really it's not founded on a strong
Speaker 2: basis that is relevant today the electoral college. So I
Speaker 2: don't think it's going anywhere, by the way, But that's
Speaker 2: why we have it, And at the time you can
Speaker 2: understand why people wanted it. Some people wanted it, but
Speaker 2: the circumstances are different now. Wayne, resident here for one
Speaker 2: more segment. We are watching some stories for you. Over
Speaker 2: three million homes and businesses have no power in flo Florida.
Speaker 3: Hurricane Milton blew through there.
Speaker 2: It's gone now from Florida, but boy is it left
Speaker 2: the devastation in its wake. President Biden has taken the
Speaker 2: gloves off in that these rumors about the government can
Speaker 2: control the weather, they're not rumors. They're false claims that
Speaker 2: the government is controlling the weather. He finally just came
Speaker 2: right out and said, it's stupid, these lies about the
Speaker 2: government controlling the weather. What is true about the government
Speaker 2: is they're going to give Social Security recipients a two
Speaker 2: and a half percent cost of living increase starting next year.
Speaker 3: And it is time to bring.
Speaker 2: On mister Moe Kelly, host of Later with Mo Kelly
Speaker 2: on KFI weeknights seven to ten pm. You'd like to
Speaker 2: have him on this show for a segment We call
Speaker 2: Earlier with Mo Kelly. Mo good morning, so good to
Speaker 2: speak with you.
Speaker 4: Good morning, Wayne. It's always nice to hear your voice.
Speaker 2: So do you want to get right into this? This
Speaker 2: is such a I mean, it already was an interesting
Speaker 2: case of a celebrity.
Speaker 3: Being accused of rape.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now it's taken quite a startling turn.
Speaker 6: It has escalated quickly, as they say, and we learned
Speaker 6: more that there was a large backstory legally now than
Speaker 6: we did when the allegations were first publicized.
Speaker 2: Yes, against we should say, we're talking about Garth Brooks
Speaker 2: has been is being sued by a woman who says
Speaker 2: that he raped her.
Speaker 6: Right and this actually, now we find out, goes back
Speaker 6: to July, where, according to Garth Brooks's attorneys, Brooks was
Speaker 6: sent a demand letter asking for millions of dollars or
Speaker 6: a threat that he would be sued for millions of dollars.
Speaker 6: That was back in July, and then he was sued,
Speaker 6: and that case was in a Mississippi court, and there
Speaker 6: was a Jane Doe suing a John Doe. Neither party's
Speaker 6: name was used, but there was also a threat that
Speaker 6: the Jane Doe would sue Garth Brooks in California. That
Speaker 6: is the suit that we all know about, and his
Speaker 6: name was used. In response to that, Garth Brooks that
Speaker 6: I'm just really boiling this down. Garth Brooks attorneys have said,
Speaker 6: wait a minute, how is it you're going to use
Speaker 6: our client's name in California and not in Mississippi when
Speaker 6: it was agreed upon in the Mississippi case that neither
Speaker 6: party's name would be used. And so in a response filing,
Speaker 6: Garth Brooks's attorneys are saying, well, what's good for the
Speaker 6: goose is good for the gander.
Speaker 4: And I'm not making a value judgment.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying that Garth Brooks's legal counsel has decided
Speaker 6: to reveal the name of the accuser in a response filing,
Speaker 6: and so here we are.
Speaker 4: It is escalated quickly.
Speaker 3: Because this can be a big deal.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a big deal, I guess any time
Speaker 2: a victim's identity is revealed when they have not agreed
Speaker 2: to it. But this because her lawyers are saying now
Speaker 2: they want the maximum sanction yes, against his lawyers for
Speaker 2: revealing her name, even though she revealed his name in
Speaker 2: the same case.
Speaker 6: Correct, But the optics of anyone revealing a rape accuser's
Speaker 6: name is not going to go over well. But when
Speaker 6: you put it in the fuller context of how we
Speaker 6: got here, you at least understand the thinking. I'm not
Speaker 6: saying that I agree with revealing the accuser's name. I
Speaker 6: understand that where they're going with this, and the accusers
Speaker 6: lawyers are saying, well, fair or not, you're not supposed
Speaker 6: to do that, So we're going to ask the court
Speaker 6: to further sanction you.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, obviously the judge will decide whether the
Speaker 2: lawyers for Garth Brooks did something wrong or not. And
Speaker 2: if he did something, if they did something wrong, how
Speaker 2: how bad it is?
Speaker 3: Is this?
Speaker 2: I hate to sound stupid, but you have a Mississippi
Speaker 2: CA and that's federal court in Mississippi. Yes, and then
Speaker 2: you have a case here is this are both cases
Speaker 2: about the same incident from what we.
Speaker 6: Could tell, yes, they are inclusive of the same incident.
Speaker 6: And what she's also alleging is an ongoing pattern of
Speaker 6: abuse text messages, stalking to a certain degree where he
Speaker 6: was relentless in his pursuit of her. The actual rate
Speaker 6: which is being alleged is in a specific location.
Speaker 4: But she's alleging an ongoing pattern of abuse.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I mean, I don't know all the specifics
Speaker 2: about why you would have two different federal jurisdictions. At
Speaker 2: some point I would imagine they should figure out which
Speaker 2: one is the best one and do it. But I
Speaker 2: think the other thing that was lost on me at
Speaker 2: first is first, there was nothing. There were no cases,
Speaker 2: There were no allegations against Garth Brooks. You know, there
Speaker 2: was nothing, and if and if what you're telling me.
Speaker 3: It started with Garth Brooks suing her.
Speaker 4: No, No, it started with a demand letter from her.
Speaker 3: Demand letter from her.
Speaker 2: And then Garth Brooks sued her in Mississippi.
Speaker 6: No, she sued him in Mississippi after the demand letter
Speaker 6: was not met. Then she fills suit in California.
Speaker 2: Okay, because some of the reporting is a little wonky
Speaker 2: on this, all right, then that's then then that follows
Speaker 2: I guess the normal course of conduct. Now they're saying
Speaker 2: they revealed her name, and then they're also saying that
Speaker 2: this is a shakedown and and and all of that.
Speaker 3: When someone says sends a demand.
Speaker 2: Letter, in any situation, you could say, well, maybe it's
Speaker 2: a shakedown, whether it's a car accident or whatever it is,
Speaker 2: because all they've done is sent us a letter saying
Speaker 2: give me money.
Speaker 4: Right, they're asking for the money or will take this
Speaker 4: to court.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then they when someone follows through and files
Speaker 2: the lawsuit. I tend to think it's less likely that
Speaker 2: it's an unfounded shakedown because now they're opening up a
Speaker 2: situation where they can be held accountable for what they
Speaker 2: say and they're going to have a lot of obligations.
Speaker 3: To prove their case.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, I don't know what's going on here,
Speaker 2: so I would never opine, but man, this thing is
Speaker 2: crazy now and it'll be interesting to see if it
Speaker 2: turns into another controversy with Garth Brooks's lawyers being in
Speaker 2: big trouble.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And to clarify what you're saying, there are reports
Speaker 6: which are saying that she sued him in Mississippi, and
Speaker 6: their reports that's saying that he sued her in Mississippi,
Speaker 6: but since there was John Doe Jane, it's still unclear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of the problem. When you don't know
Speaker 2: who you're talking about, you can't keep it straight. Now
Speaker 2: you're gonna keep it straight for us tonight from seven
Speaker 2: to ten on your own show Later with mo Kelly.
Speaker 3: Do you want to give a quick hint of what
Speaker 3: you're gonna be talking about.
Speaker 6: Well, we're always talking about tech at the very minimum
Speaker 6: on Tech Thursday, So beyond Garth Brooks, we're going to
Speaker 6: talk about technology and how it has played a role
Speaker 6: in helping save people in the wake as you said
Speaker 6: of Hurricane Milton and Moore.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, so good to talk to you.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you again next week, see soon. All right,
Speaker 2: he didn't know that, he didn't know I was gonna
Speaker 2: be here next week, but now he does. All right,
Speaker 2: that's the show. Thank you everybody. Garry and Shannon coming
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