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Speaker 4: twenty six. But right now we have an awesome guest
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Speaker 4: My guest out today's show is Danielle Becker. He is
Speaker 4: originally from Newark, Ohio and currently residing in Anchorage, a Last.
Speaker 4: He is a cryptid researcher and the host of the
Speaker 4: show Cryptid Wilderness Research podcast with Matt Sleader. He is
Speaker 4: also the founder of Crypted Wilderness Research Network, which links
Speaker 4: together researchers for investigation cooperation. Together with his partners William
Speaker 4: Lunsford and Stephen Hill in Arkansas, they explored the world
Speaker 4: of Bigfoot, dog Man and other cryptid mysteries. Daniel has
Speaker 4: spoken at the Nebraska Bigfoot Conference in Grand Island, Nebraska,
Speaker 4: as well as the Anchorage Museum in Anchorage, Alaska, and
Speaker 4: now he joins us live in studio. Please welcome Daniel Becker. Daniel,
Speaker 4: welcome to the show.
Speaker 6: Hi, great to see you, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 5: Awesome good to have you.
Speaker 6: Ah.
Speaker 4: You come very highly recommended from William Lunsford, so he
Speaker 4: spoke very highly of you when he came on our show,
Speaker 4: so I want to reach out and have you on
Speaker 4: my show.
Speaker 6: Well, thank you. I appreciate William Lunsford is a troublemaker.
Speaker 6: Just like to say that right off the bat. He is.
Speaker 6: William Lunsford is one of the people that I consider
Speaker 6: a field general in the area of cryptid research.
Speaker 4: He's a very wealth of knowledge, so very good to
Speaker 4: have him on as well.
Speaker 5: So awesome.
Speaker 4: Well, what got you interested in all this cryptid stuff
Speaker 4: in your podcast and investigating?
Speaker 6: Well, like so many others in this field, I was
Speaker 6: inspired at a very young age by watching the reruns
Speaker 6: of In Search of and you know, it's a story
Speaker 6: you've heard lots of times before, but from other researchers,
Speaker 6: of seeing the Patterson Gemlin film on those reruns. And
Speaker 6: so when I saw that as a kid, I was
Speaker 6: immediately intrigued, and I started asking questions, and and I thought,
Speaker 6: you know, who better to ask a question to than grandma.
Speaker 6: You know, Grandma's always got great stories. So I asked,
Speaker 6: my grandma, have you ever heard a bigfoot of? You know,
Speaker 6: I saw it on TV? And and my grandma was
Speaker 6: raised way way way back in the hollers in Kentucky,
Speaker 6: just across the Ohio River, and she told me a
Speaker 6: story about a bigfoot that that was active near her
Speaker 6: home out in the country and would come into people's
Speaker 6: gardens and steal vegetables. And later on in life, I
Speaker 6: had an opportunity to go back there in the holler,
Speaker 6: as they say, and actually see the area that she
Speaker 6: was talking about, and you know, her old home was there.
Speaker 6: Of course, it was abandoned, and this place was way
Speaker 6: way way back in the hills. And like I said,
Speaker 6: she had told me a story about a bigfoot that
Speaker 6: had come in there and would steal vegetables from their
Speaker 6: garden and also the neighbors. And once she told me
Speaker 6: that story, I was I was all in.
Speaker 5: Very cool.
Speaker 4: We actually had an encounter in southern Wisconsin and the
Speaker 4: lady said that they were coming down and stealing vegetables
Speaker 4: and then they would throw them from the top of
Speaker 4: the hill down at.
Speaker 5: Her while she was in the garden.
Speaker 4: So very very a lot of garden stealing going on,
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 5: Interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was. It was really fascinating. And when I
Speaker 6: finally got to go out to that area and see
Speaker 6: where it all happened, even as a kid, you know
Speaker 6: it was it was far more isolated back in the
Speaker 6: hills than I imagined. I thought it would just be
Speaker 6: like a town like you know, where I was from.
Speaker 6: But and I had never seen a place so isolated
Speaker 6: back in so far back as where they have little
Speaker 6: family cemeteries long since forgotten by time. You know, places
Speaker 6: a place like that, you know, wow.
Speaker 5: Interesting.
Speaker 4: So she did she have any other like vocals or
Speaker 4: anything else that she had heard, or just the stealing
Speaker 4: of the vegetables.
Speaker 6: She did tell me that they would hear strange noises
Speaker 6: coming from the woods at night, but that's pretty much
Speaker 6: all I was able to get her to talk about
Speaker 6: was the story about the vegetables and the strange noises
Speaker 6: that would come in. And it wasn't hard to hard
Speaker 6: to envision once I got out there and got to
Speaker 6: see the area for myself.
Speaker 4: That's really cool that you got to actually go back
Speaker 4: and see it. A lot of times, you know, you
Speaker 4: hear these stories and growing up in that and you
Speaker 4: just have this, like like you said, in vision of
Speaker 4: you know, on the edge of town or something where
Speaker 4: you think that the story took place, and adding that
Speaker 4: extra element of being able to see the real location
Speaker 4: and going there adds so much more to these stories.
Speaker 4: And able to visualize the actual what happened and the
Speaker 4: behavior and stuff of these creatures, it helps to understand
Speaker 4: a lot of that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that story I started, of course. You know,
Speaker 6: you go to the school library next and you start
Speaker 6: looking for every book you can find about Bigfoot, and
Speaker 6: there I think I found one in the school library,
Speaker 6: but it really wasn't anything of substance, but I started.
Speaker 6: You know, I'll go back to the first experience in
Speaker 6: the woods as a kid. I remember is being in
Speaker 6: the Cub Scouts and going to a place we called
Speaker 6: Camp Falling Rock. And out of Camp Falling Rock, I
Speaker 6: was at the opportunity to go on on trails through
Speaker 6: the woods and things, and and all the other kids were,
Speaker 6: you know, looking at the trees and you know, et cetera.
Speaker 6: But I was secretly looking for bigfoot tracks while we
Speaker 6: were out there.
Speaker 5: Now, you you grew up in Ohio, right, like all
Speaker 5: that was in Ohio.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I am originally from a town called Newark, Ohio,
Speaker 6: and you know, Newark, Ohio will always be home, no
Speaker 6: matter how many years it's been. But I actually had
Speaker 6: to go to high school in the Detroit area, so
Speaker 6: I kind of went jumped back and forth and from
Speaker 6: Ohio to Michigan. In my explorations, I was gonna say, Ohio,
Speaker 6: you know, growing up there, you got so much bigfoot activity.
Speaker 6: I mean, like I would I would think it's like
Speaker 6: one of the top I think five states for bigfoot sightings.
Speaker 6: I'm not it actually is. And when I got older
Speaker 6: and I started diving into the academics of it, I
Speaker 6: was very surprised to find out that Ohio was right
Speaker 6: up there in the top for sightings. And that's when
Speaker 6: I discovered places like Salt Fork and and other areas.
Speaker 6: So I was I was surprised to discover that Ohio
Speaker 6: was so was so high up there on the.
Speaker 4: List when you were going up to Detroit and stuff
Speaker 4: like that, Were you obviously into these cryptids and stuff
Speaker 4: at that time? You know, there's a lot of like
Speaker 4: dog man stuff up in that area of Michigan. Were
Speaker 4: you interested in that as well? Or when did that
Speaker 4: kind of trickle in?
Speaker 6: Not so much where I was in Michigan because I
Speaker 6: was in city, you know, and so there wasn't a
Speaker 6: lot I could do there. And at the time I
Speaker 6: had never heard of dog man and but I found
Speaker 6: out later that Michigan is a big state for for
Speaker 6: dog man sightings. And I wasn't really sold on the
Speaker 6: on the dog man phenomenon until going out in the
Speaker 6: research area down in Arkansas with my partners down there,
Speaker 6: William Lunsford and Steven Hill, and they had found tracks
Speaker 6: and they had our game cameras down there. Let me
Speaker 6: jump into Arkansas. So the research area down there is
Speaker 6: called Ground zero. That's that's what we call it. And
Speaker 6: I also called this place the Amazon of America because
Speaker 6: the woods are so thick that you could literally step
Speaker 6: in their five feet and vanish. So it doesn't take
Speaker 6: long to realize that, you know, there could be anything
Speaker 6: in those woods. Now, I wasn't really sold on the
Speaker 6: dog Man phenomenon until I started going out more in
Speaker 6: Arkansas with my partners down there, and they had had
Speaker 6: captured images on game cameras and and found tracks and
Speaker 6: and actually had you know, first hand accounts, and they
Speaker 6: were really the ones that that sold me on that, hey,
Speaker 6: dog Man actually exists, you know, because I kind of
Speaker 6: just brushed it off. I'd heard about it, brushed it
Speaker 6: off in the past. But but that's really where the
Speaker 6: dog Man things started setting in with me, is seeing
Speaker 6: the evidence down there. And you know, William and I
Speaker 6: spoke at the Nebraska big Foot Conference this past April,
Speaker 6: and I was surprised that quite a few audience members
Speaker 6: had questions about dog Man. It seems to be popping
Speaker 6: up a lot more on the on the cryptid map
Speaker 6: as of late, and I was actually summer before last.
Speaker 6: Sometimes I put the logo of our podcast, I have
Speaker 6: an auto magnet, and sometimes I put it on the
Speaker 6: door when I'm out doing stuff. And I was sitting
Speaker 6: at a stoplight here in Anchorage and there was a
Speaker 6: truck next to me, and the people in the truck
Speaker 6: next to me yelled out, hey, have you ever heard
Speaker 6: about dog man sightings in Michigan? I guess they were
Speaker 6: from Michigan. And obviously where I have stoplight, we didn't
Speaker 6: get a chance to really interact a lot, but I said,
Speaker 6: actually yes, and they're like, have you ever seen one?
Speaker 6: I say, no, I have not seen one, but I
Speaker 6: have talked to people who have. So this dog man
Speaker 6: phenomena seems to be coming up a lot more as
Speaker 6: of weight. Have you noticed that?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I try and bring more guests on because like it
Speaker 4: seems like the amount of bigfoot researchers is off the chart,
Speaker 4: Like if you throw your pin on Facebook, you can
Speaker 4: find those pretty easily. But there's there's not so many
Speaker 4: people that focus in on, you know, the dog man phenomenon.
Speaker 4: But even so, the dog man is you know, if
Speaker 4: there's one hundred bigfoot researchers, there's probably fifty of them
Speaker 4: that are into the dog man stuff. And then when
Speaker 4: you get to the other stuff like the lake monsters
Speaker 4: and other weirder stuff, and that it drops off very
Speaker 4: substantially off of that as well. But there's more and
Speaker 4: more people having dog man sightings coming forward, and I
Speaker 4: think it's, you know, like with Bigfoot being more and
Speaker 4: more acceptable to talk about, it seems like since that
Speaker 4: has fallen way down that now the dog man stuff is, well,
Speaker 4: if we can talk about Bigfoot, there's another thing that
Speaker 4: I you know, saw in the woods, and we're starting
Speaker 4: to get more and more of those sightings come forward.
Speaker 6: So, yeah, excellent point. Excellent point. And where you are
Speaker 6: in the Midwest, obviously you're just a hop, skip and
Speaker 6: a jump from Michigan, and they're also up near the
Speaker 6: up of Michigan there in Wisconsin. Are you hearing more
Speaker 6: stories from that particular area.
Speaker 4: Not necessarily from Michigan, but we you know, we have
Speaker 4: the Beast of Bray Road here in Wisconsin, down in Elcorn,
Speaker 4: and we get quite a few sightings around the horror
Speaker 4: Con Marsh area, which is kind of middle lower of
Speaker 4: the state and then down in the lower part of
Speaker 4: the state. But most of the stuff that we get
Speaker 4: for dog man is kind of like a little cross
Speaker 4: across the bottom of that area of the southern area,
Speaker 4: but a few up north, but not too much. It's
Speaker 4: all kind of central centralized in one area of our
Speaker 4: state for as far as where I'm getting reports and
Speaker 4: stuff from.
Speaker 6: But interesting, our game cameras in Arkansas have picked up
Speaker 6: things that we just can't expec lane but have canine
Speaker 6: like features to it. And we've sound We've found some
Speaker 6: pretty big canine like tracks there as well. And with
Speaker 6: with our game cameras down there, you know, we've got
Speaker 6: them on trees, yes, but we've got them hidden in
Speaker 6: brush piles. We've got them hidden all over the place.
Speaker 6: And cameras that are are cross you know, cross gritting.
Speaker 6: And you know, the the the bigfoot are creative and
Speaker 6: you have to be creative too, and actually the cryptids
Speaker 6: are creative. You have to be be creative too. So
Speaker 6: you know, we're very strategic in how we place our
Speaker 6: game cameras. And you know a lot of people who
Speaker 6: are not familiar with bigfoot research think that, you know,
Speaker 6: you're just putting the game cameras back on the tree
Speaker 6: and et cetera. No, no, no, you know, you've got
Speaker 6: to be creative about it. If you're gonna if you're
Speaker 6: gonna get anything.
Speaker 4: One of the best things that some researchers have come
Speaker 4: on to the show and talked about is putting game
Speaker 4: cameras buy a river's edge or even out like right
Speaker 4: in the middle of the river, because you have so
Speaker 4: much stuff going on there. You have the sound of
Speaker 4: the river could mask the sound of potentially you know
Speaker 4: what these creatures are hearing. With the game cameras, you
Speaker 4: have the smell of the river and the changing things
Speaker 4: like that that mask the smell of these things being
Speaker 4: human in the area, and you have everything needs water,
Speaker 4: so you have a massive amount of animals and creatures
Speaker 4: and stuff that are coming down to the water. So
Speaker 4: I think that the best place, you know, look at
Speaker 4: look at you know, past research, the Patterson Gimlin footage
Speaker 4: and a lot of the other footage that seems legitimate
Speaker 4: has been captured either right on a river or right
Speaker 4: by the river banks and stuff. So it makes a
Speaker 4: lot of sense that you're able to kind of sneak
Speaker 4: up and get a get a jump on these things
Speaker 4: using the rivers and streams and stuff that make a
Speaker 4: lot of noise and have movement as kind of a
Speaker 4: way to camouflage.
Speaker 6: Yeah, putting game cameras and hiding game cameras near water
Speaker 6: sources fantastic idea. You know, goes all the way back
Speaker 6: to the legend of Buggy Creek and that they follow
Speaker 6: the waterways, you know. So absolutely fantastic idea. And like
Speaker 6: I said, you got to be creative about it, got
Speaker 6: to be creative about it. Are actually my favorite game
Speaker 6: camera that we have is actually inside of a tree,
Speaker 6: you know. And if you we actually have a little
Speaker 6: video on TikTok of this where William is actually demonstrating
Speaker 6: how he changes out the SD card. But I think
Speaker 6: that's my favorite one, you know. But some of our
Speaker 6: cameras are, like like I said, in brush piles, you know.
Speaker 6: And one of the things about the Arkansas research is
Speaker 6: there are snakes and rattlesnakes, copper heads. Our area is
Speaker 6: just infested with snakes. And so I'm not too keen
Speaker 6: about reaching my hand in a brush pile, and so
Speaker 6: I leave that up to my partner. Experts who grew
Speaker 6: up there know how to deal with snakes, and they
Speaker 6: know how to how to manipulate that brush and get
Speaker 6: those cameras out of there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would not be too keen reaching into that
Speaker 4: pile either. Luckily, Wisconsin doesn't have any indigenous poisonous snakes,
Speaker 4: and there are some some that like kind of migrate
Speaker 4: through the state, but we don't have any of that here.
Speaker 4: So we're very lucky and fortunate to you know, put
Speaker 4: our hands in whatever we want almost But yeah, I've
Speaker 4: tried actually the uh kinda. We took a log and
Speaker 4: carved it out and put a trail camera in there,
Speaker 4: and I got a bird and some other stuff. I
Speaker 4: got a really weird hair pattern on one picture, like,
Speaker 4: and then the log was knocked over, so it could
Speaker 4: have been a bear or something. It looked like longer
Speaker 4: hair fur on whatever creature this was. But as far
Speaker 4: as like getting it to take a nice clear picture,
Speaker 4: it didn't. But anybody that watched, I think it was
Speaker 4: maybe last week's episode of Weekend before I had Michael
Speaker 4: James on and he was talking about these three sixty
Speaker 4: stealth cameras, and it just so happens that I had
Speaker 4: him on. I had it was a prerecorded episode, had
Speaker 4: him on, and like a day or two later, I
Speaker 4: went to Walmart and there was one on clearance, So
Speaker 4: I got this one for seventy five dollars. It's one
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty dollars camera. But anybody that didn't watch
Speaker 4: the episode it it has motion sensor all the way
Speaker 4: around and the camera will spin and take a three
Speaker 4: sixty photo whenever something is triggered. So it's it's a
Speaker 4: really cool camera. It goes on like a stake instead
Speaker 4: of like a mounted to a tree. But and it's
Speaker 4: got like Wi Fi and stuff so that you can
Speaker 4: send it to your phone in that as well.
Speaker 5: But I don't know. I haven't tried it yet obviously.
Speaker 6: But nice, Nice, You're definitely definitely gonna have to give
Speaker 6: me some feedback on that on that camera there, and
Speaker 6: let me know how it is. If you end up
Speaker 6: recommending it, I'll grab myself a couple. But the cameras
Speaker 6: that I've had up here in Alaska have have disappeared.
Speaker 6: They've either been stolen or ripped off off the trees
Speaker 6: by animals or or who knows, even a bear, you know,
Speaker 6: because obviously we have a rather large bear issue up here.
Speaker 6: So but yeah, let let me know how those those
Speaker 6: that camera works out. I'd love to hear the feedback.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Like I said, I'm going to try and deploy
Speaker 4: this one in the middle of a stream or river.
Speaker 4: And we were talking before the show. I have a
Speaker 4: new area that I'm trying to research this year, and
Speaker 4: I think that that's where I'm going to try and
Speaker 4: deploy this thing as soon as I find a good
Speaker 4: spot for it to go and put it out.
Speaker 5: But I think that's what I'm gonna try to do
Speaker 5: with it.
Speaker 6: So yeah, excellent idea. Excellent idea.
Speaker 5: So we talked a.
Speaker 4: Little bit about Arkansas, and I will come back to
Speaker 4: your your pictures, but I want to know, like, do
Speaker 4: you do you get to go out in Alaska and stuff?
Speaker 4: Have you had any sightings or you know, good good
Speaker 4: evidence and stuff up there where you go?
Speaker 6: No sightings here in Alaska as far as real time.
Speaker 6: I've found signs that they've been in the area. You
Speaker 6: know a lot of tree breaks, and you know, obviously
Speaker 6: tree breaks are one of those big controversial topics in
Speaker 6: the bigfoot research community, and specifically what we look for
Speaker 6: up here and actually in our Arkansas area too, are
Speaker 6: what we call standalone breaks, and these are breaks that
Speaker 6: don't have anything else around them that's collapsed. You know,
Speaker 6: as as Bigfoot researchers you always have to be your
Speaker 6: first skeptic, and you've always got to rule out We
Speaker 6: have kind of a list we go through. You always
Speaker 6: got to rule out the natural phenomenon, you know, when
Speaker 6: it comes to tree breaks, you know, was it wind,
Speaker 6: is it weather? Is it the weight of snow the
Speaker 6: previous season, or if you're out researching in wintertime, is
Speaker 6: it recent snow that may have collapsed something. So the
Speaker 6: type of tree breaks that we really focus in on
Speaker 6: are what we call the standalone breaks. And so I've
Speaker 6: found a lot of standalone breaks and also other other
Speaker 6: tree structures that that you know, some researchers will will
Speaker 6: say they are nests or some will will call them
Speaker 6: century posts, you know, where they hide to be on
Speaker 6: the lookout for the UH clan or family. So I
Speaker 6: found a lot of that and uh the tracks that
Speaker 6: I've found up here. Again, you you've got to be
Speaker 6: your first skeptic, right and here in Alaska, obviously we
Speaker 6: have large predators, mainly bear. And I always say that
Speaker 6: in places that have large predators, the large predator tracks
Speaker 6: can often be misidentified as bigfoot tracks because if you
Speaker 6: get a grizzly that steps someplace twice and it just
Speaker 6: enlarges that area, you know, it can start to resemble
Speaker 6: a sasquatch track. So you really got to be careful
Speaker 6: in how you examine, and you know, make sure you
Speaker 6: have your tools with you, like your tape measure and
Speaker 6: things like that. But so finding the tracks up here,
Speaker 6: except in the wintertime. The wintertime is much easier, but
Speaker 6: during the summer, when bears are so active, you know,
Speaker 6: you really got to be careful with the tracks and
Speaker 6: make sure you're not misidentifying them.
Speaker 5: One hundred percent.
Speaker 4: We were doing we were on this private property doing
Speaker 4: an investigation in Upper Michigan, and I was hiking around
Speaker 4: this area and we just got back to base camp
Speaker 4: and maybe a couple hundred feet out of base camp
Speaker 4: is this mud puddle and it's dried water, so it
Speaker 4: was just nice mud and there was a really nice
Speaker 4: bigfoot track in the middle of it. And I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, like this thing had to just come
Speaker 4: through here. And I went back to camp and I
Speaker 4: got my mom and brought her back out there and
Speaker 4: started looking at it, and then we realized it was
Speaker 4: a double step of a bear. But when you first
Speaker 4: looked at it, it looked very much like a bigfoot track,
Speaker 4: and it went from it went from excitement of oh
Speaker 4: my gosh, a bigfoot track to oh, there's a bear
Speaker 4: right here. The excitement turned to something else.
Speaker 6: So, yeah, me and my fellow podcast host Matt Slater,
Speaker 6: who is based out of Quincy, Washington, when he was
Speaker 6: up here years ago, him and I had a really
Speaker 6: bad bear encounter while we were out, and because of
Speaker 6: that incident, you know, I'm very very careful, a lot
Speaker 6: more careful now as to where and when I go
Speaker 6: out to do research.
Speaker 4: Interesting, yeah, we knew. We had trail cameras all over
Speaker 4: the property and stuff, and you would see pictures of
Speaker 4: we're there for about four or five years working this property,
Speaker 4: and you would see bears on trail cameras within like
Speaker 4: ten minutes of when we were there, and yet only
Speaker 4: once ever on that property would we ever see a
Speaker 4: bear in all that time. It's just crazy to know
Speaker 4: that they're there. And that just shows, you know, like
Speaker 4: you know, when we talk about like why haven't we
Speaker 4: found a bigfoot or anything, Well, if we know and
Speaker 4: we are getting pictures of bears on a property within
Speaker 4: ten minutes of us being in a location and not
Speaker 4: seeing hearing anything of that bear being there, imagine what
Speaker 4: these other things, you know, like it's insane, Like it's
Speaker 4: so easy for these things to hide, and you know,
Speaker 4: know their environment that they you can hide from anything
Speaker 4: out there.
Speaker 6: So yeah, another thing we run into up here is moose.
Speaker 6: And with the bears and the moose, they're so big
Speaker 6: and so massive, you would think that they would stand out,
Speaker 6: that you could see them on my way. But sometimes
Speaker 6: I've literally walked right up on moose and not realized
Speaker 6: they were there. These these creatures are massive, but they
Speaker 6: blend into the woods so easily. It would just shock you. Now,
Speaker 6: when Matt and I had our bear encounter, you know,
Speaker 6: get we get a lot of questions about that. What happened?
Speaker 6: What happened? Well, here's what happened. So Matt and I
Speaker 6: were going out one day and there's a there are
Speaker 6: several glaciers that are located not far away from Anchorage,
Speaker 6: and probably the main one is called Portage Glacier. That's
Speaker 6: the big tourist one that everybody goes to. But there
Speaker 6: are also some smaller secondary glaciers and there's some trails
Speaker 6: that go out out there. So so Matt and I
Speaker 6: on this particular day, had decided to go out to
Speaker 6: one of the secondary glaciers, and you know, it's a
Speaker 6: well hiked trails, it's not very long to get back there.
Speaker 6: A lot of people go out there, a lot of families.
Speaker 6: But you know, Matt and I knew that there are
Speaker 6: there are bears out there. This is this is bear central,
Speaker 6: you know. So him and I actually, you know, like
Speaker 6: we usually do, took our firearms with us, and so
Speaker 6: we're headed down that trail and there are you know,
Speaker 6: the the yuppies and stuff are passing us, you know,
Speaker 6: scowling at us, how dare you bring guns with you?
Speaker 6: You know, that type of look. You know, We're like, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 6: we live here, we know what's going on, you know.
Speaker 6: And so we're headed out on this trail and and
Speaker 6: I look down on the trail and I see some
Speaker 6: candy on the trail that someone's presumably someone's child had dropped.
Speaker 6: And as soon as I saw that candy, I knew.
Speaker 6: I knew immediately that bears would be close, as you know,
Speaker 6: they can you know, smell food about a billion miles away.
Speaker 6: So we go out to the glacier. There's a lot
Speaker 6: of people out there because it kind of opens up
Speaker 6: into this massive area, massive clearing, and went out to
Speaker 6: the glacier. Lots of people out there, and so we're
Speaker 6: on our we stay out there a little bit. On
Speaker 6: our way back, and off to our left, I thought
Speaker 6: I heard movement, and so we stopped and we both
Speaker 6: face left and we saw the brush kind of moving
Speaker 6: back and forth, and we just watched and watched, and
Speaker 6: we didn't see anything. We could see the brush moving,
Speaker 6: but we saw nothing. And then we saw some birds
Speaker 6: back there, and we thought, oh, it must have been birds, right,
Speaker 6: and so we turn. He's in front of me, and we,
Speaker 6: you know, turn again, and we took about two steps,
Speaker 6: and all I can describe it is at an audible
Speaker 6: is like an audible voice said turn around. And when
Speaker 6: I turned around, about fifteen feet away was what I
Speaker 6: estimate to be a around a two hundred and fifty
Speaker 6: pound black bear. And this black bear is at a
Speaker 6: dead stare with us, and it is just frozen at
Speaker 6: a dead stare. And you know, I literally took the
Speaker 6: barrel of my gun and leaned over and had it
Speaker 6: pointing at its head, you know, point blank range, almost,
Speaker 6: and we were doing everything they tell you to do,
Speaker 6: you know, they tell you to scream, they tell you
Speaker 6: to yell, they tell you make yourself look bigger. We
Speaker 6: were doing all of that and nothing was working. And
Speaker 6: for people who who don't, you know, think that black
Speaker 6: bears are just these cuddly creatures, you know, that will
Speaker 6: run from you all the time, that's not always the case.
Speaker 6: So this bear wasn't moving, and we weren't moving. So
Speaker 6: we're at a stalemate, and I'm thinking, you know, gosh,
Speaker 6: and it's happening so quickly, and you know, I had
Speaker 6: my gun pointed at its head, and Matt had his
Speaker 6: gun out and pointed, and we're trying to decide, you know,
Speaker 6: do we fire some warning shots or where I had
Speaker 6: already made the decision that if that bear even inches forward,
Speaker 6: that he's going to heaven. You know, I don't know
Speaker 6: when or where I'm going to die, but it is
Speaker 6: not going to be in the jaws of a bear.
Speaker 6: So anyway, we're at a stalemate. And one of the
Speaker 6: things that they say up here about black bears and
Speaker 6: brown bears, if a black bear will stalk you, So
Speaker 6: we're starting to wonder maybe that bear will stalking us
Speaker 6: the whole time. A black bear will stalk you and
Speaker 6: if a black bear attacks you, they will eat you,
Speaker 6: you know. So they say, if it's black, fight back.
Speaker 6: If it's brown, get on the grind. If it's a
Speaker 6: brown bear, if you play dead and you cover up,
Speaker 6: you might survive. But if it's a black bear, you
Speaker 6: got to fight for your wife. So we are in
Speaker 6: a stalemate, and we finally decided we're going to start
Speaker 6: backing up, you know a little bit, which in hindsight
Speaker 6: probably wasn't a good idea because we actually had to
Speaker 6: go kind of around a little curve, you know, and
Speaker 6: we kind of lost sight of it for a second,
Speaker 6: and it could have ran through the brush and cashed
Speaker 6: one of us in at that moment. But we're at
Speaker 6: a stalemate. Somebody's got to move, so we decided it
Speaker 6: would be us, and so we backed up. We literally
Speaker 6: backed up all the way back to the trail head
Speaker 6: and we get up back to the beginning of the
Speaker 6: trail and I'll never forget this woman and her boyfriend
Speaker 6: and their dog, unleashed of course, come walking up and
Speaker 6: we said, hey, there's a bear down there, and we
Speaker 6: wouldn't recommend going down there. And they were like, oh,
Speaker 6: what kind is it? And I was like, what difference
Speaker 6: does it make there's a bear down there?
Speaker 5: You know, teddy us, we'll find out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, couldn't you see us backing our way down the
Speaker 6: trail out the trail head? But anyway, you know, so
Speaker 6: they go, you know, just you know, jaunting on down there,
Speaker 6: you know. And and and about five minutes later they
Speaker 6: come back, you know, so I say, oh, they must
Speaker 6: have seen that bear. But so you know, I wasn't
Speaker 6: scared in the moment, because you got the adrenaline going,
Speaker 6: you know, and I was ready to. I was like,
Speaker 6: I will kill this bear in a second, and I'll
Speaker 6: sort it out with the state police later, you know.
Speaker 6: And I'm not a person who curses. I'm not a
Speaker 6: person who swears. But when that adrenaline wore off, I
Speaker 6: don't know what came out of my mouth, but but
Speaker 6: I'm told it was quite colorful language as I was
Speaker 6: kicking the tire of the truck. But well, when that
Speaker 6: adrenaline came off, I could feel it. Then. So ever,
Speaker 6: since that experience that I don't want to relive that experience.
Speaker 6: So Ever, since that happened, I have a extremely careful
Speaker 6: up here in Alaska as to where and when I
Speaker 6: go and you know, so far, and I've only had
Speaker 6: another bear bear crossing encounter one other time and after that,
Speaker 6: and that was actually recently. This was actually within the
Speaker 6: last six months. And and I was out just to
Speaker 6: film a quick promo segment for our podcast, and I
Speaker 6: was down this trail and I look over and it
Speaker 6: was it was really windy that day, so I'm guessing
Speaker 6: whatever it was didn't catch my scent. And I and
Speaker 6: I look over and I see this black figure. And
Speaker 6: I'm gonna say it's a bear, because I you know,
Speaker 6: it happened so fast that I was more concerned about
Speaker 6: getting out of there than anything. Thinking it was a bear,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna say it was a bear. But it was
Speaker 6: standing up. It was all black, it was standing up,
Speaker 6: it was had it was reaching its arms up into
Speaker 6: the crook of a tree, and it had like around
Speaker 6: its abdomen. It had gray streaks. So it's it's on
Speaker 6: its hind legs reaching up into a tree. And I
Speaker 6: just as soon as I saw it, and I realized
Speaker 6: it had fur, hair or whatever, and it hadn't seen me.
Speaker 6: But I started backing up out of there. And as
Speaker 6: soon as they say don't run right. Well, as soon
Speaker 6: as I got out of eyesight of it, I ran.
Speaker 6: I was like, not today, not today, Satan. So I
Speaker 6: was just I ran all the way back to my truck.
Speaker 6: And you know, I'm not in the greatest athletic shape
Speaker 6: like I used to be, so by the time I
Speaker 6: got back to the truck, I was I was sucking
Speaker 6: air pretty bad. So but yeah, that and that happened
Speaker 6: not long ago. But but yeah, so that's that's the
Speaker 6: bare story. But up here, you know, you always got
Speaker 6: to be cognizant of of the wildlife, and specifically the
Speaker 6: bears and the moose, because a moose will kill you too.
Speaker 6: You know, a moose will will stomp you. And you know,
Speaker 6: years and years ago, there's a there's a video out
Speaker 6: there of a of a gentleman that's going into the
Speaker 6: University of Alaska, Anchorage and apparently he didn't want to
Speaker 6: want to go to another door. He had to go
Speaker 6: through this door and there's a big moose standing there
Speaker 6: with a calf, and he got between the calf and
Speaker 6: the and the mother and ended up getting stomped to death.
Speaker 6: He was actually killed. And so you got to be
Speaker 6: really careful of that wildlife up here. There are two
Speaker 6: things that will kill you quickly in Alaska. One is
Speaker 6: weather and the other is wildlife.
Speaker 4: Absolutely that goes anywhere, I mean any any willed woods
Speaker 4: or wilderness or anything. You know, being prepared and having
Speaker 4: a plan of attack, you know, a cell phone, GPS
Speaker 4: track or anything, especially if you're going out alone. A
Speaker 4: lot of researchers go out alone because they don't have
Speaker 4: anyone else to go with them, or they don't want
Speaker 4: to go with anybody else. They think that you know,
Speaker 4: more interactions are going to happen, and you're going to
Speaker 4: get interactions, but they might not be the animal that
Speaker 4: you're out.
Speaker 5: There looking for. So always good to be prepared when
Speaker 5: you go out in the wilderness.
Speaker 6: Now in Arkansas and our research area down there, we
Speaker 6: have other things to contend with. Obviously the snakes that
Speaker 6: I mentioned before, rattlesnakes and copperheads, and every time I've
Speaker 6: been down there and out with William and Steve and
Speaker 6: we've encountered poisonous snakes. Finally, you know, William drove me
Speaker 6: to the Bass Pro Shop in Shreveport, Louisiana, so I
Speaker 6: could get some snake boots, so you know, at least,
Speaker 6: you know. And then there's there's the the unseen threat,
Speaker 6: which are the ticks. There's a lot of ticks out there.
Speaker 6: I know, you being in the Midwest, you know exactly
Speaker 6: what I'm talking about. And so after we're out in
Speaker 6: the field down there in Arkansas, you have to go
Speaker 6: through the tick ritual, you know, and make sure that
Speaker 6: you don't have them on your skin, on your clothes,
Speaker 6: because ticks are you know, are are can be just
Speaker 6: as deadly with lime disease and various other diseases. So
Speaker 6: you got to be really careful about the tips. But
Speaker 6: the big one, the big one down there in Arkansas
Speaker 6: are the wild hogs. Oh and some farmers, actually, William
Speaker 6: told me, Stephen told me, some farmers told me down
Speaker 6: there that the wild hogs are angry one hundred percent
Speaker 6: of the time. And when I first went down there
Speaker 6: to do research with him, I didn't know that there
Speaker 6: were wild hogs there. And on one of the various trips,
Speaker 6: we were out in the woods and I had wandered
Speaker 6: away from William, who had had the gun. Obviously we
Speaker 6: always have guns out there for the snakes and stuff.
Speaker 6: I had kind of wandered away from him and I
Speaker 6: was on the phone with another researcher named Robin Haynes
Speaker 6: from Paranormal Dash Empowerment dot Com. I was on the
Speaker 6: phone with her when all of a sudden, there were
Speaker 6: wild hogs coming in the brush. And I did not know.
Speaker 6: I actually said, I got a hold on you know,
Speaker 6: I shoved the phone my pocket, and I did not
Speaker 6: know I could climb a tree that fast. But I had,
Speaker 6: you know, you know, fear has a way of inspiring you,
Speaker 6: and I had I fire poled. I fire poled up
Speaker 6: the tree. There was nothing for me to grat onto,
Speaker 6: so I had to fire pole up there until I
Speaker 6: could get onto another branch. But that was probably the
Speaker 6: most terrifying moment.
Speaker 4: I I don't know what I'd do with a wild pig.
Speaker 4: We don't have any of that up here. We got
Speaker 4: we got cougars, wolves, coyotes, and black bears and that's
Speaker 4: about it. And I mean that's about it. That's enough,
Speaker 4: you know. But we went into one area where we've
Speaker 4: had a lot of bigfoot stuff and there's nice mud
Speaker 4: on the ground and the roadway there, and we're walking
Speaker 4: along looking and all of a sudden we're like, that's
Speaker 4: that's a you know, a weird dog track. It's pretty big,
Speaker 4: you know, and it doesn't have claws, and we're like.
Speaker 5: That's a kitty.
Speaker 4: That is a big kitty, and then next to it
Speaker 4: are little bitty kitty prince and we're like, that's a
Speaker 4: mother with some babies. And we're not gonna hang around
Speaker 4: here anymore. So that's uh, that was the one and
Speaker 4: only time that I think we've you know, been close
Speaker 4: to cougar's and uh not not not something you want
Speaker 4: to mess with. So we we left that area quite quick.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: I was I was talking to some hunters from the
Speaker 6: Midwest recently, specifically Michigan, and there they were telling me,
Speaker 6: you know, there's been some mountain lion sightings and uh
Speaker 6: also panther sightings. You know that that uh not every
Speaker 6: state official will admit to. But yeah, I actually talked
Speaker 6: to some hunters from the Midwest and we were discussing that.
Speaker 4: There was recently a jaguar photographed.
Speaker 5: Oklahoma.
Speaker 4: Maybe I know it was one of the southern states,
Speaker 4: but it was well up into the US and but
Speaker 4: it was clear as day. A jaguar from from South
Speaker 4: America is photographed up here running around, so they're they're around.
Speaker 6: Oh gosh, jaguars. No thanks, no thanks. I was down
Speaker 6: in Brazil. And when I was down there in the
Speaker 6: jungle in Brazil, I I that's all I could think about,
Speaker 6: was there. And you'll never see them when they come, obviously.
Speaker 6: And I know this sounds kind of kind of silly
Speaker 6: when it comes to, you know, the United States, but
Speaker 6: when it comes to if you're in mountain lion territory
Speaker 6: or or jaguar territory, you know, do what a lot
Speaker 6: of the people do in the tiger areas in India,
Speaker 6: and that is they put they take a mask and
Speaker 6: they put it on the back of their head to
Speaker 6: make it appear that there's a face, you know, and
Speaker 6: that that's the front because as you know, these ambush
Speaker 6: predators will come grab from behind, so they try to
Speaker 6: throw them off by putting a mess. And I have
Speaker 6: no shame about doing that in Mountain Lion territory here
Speaker 6: in the United States, let me tell you no shame.
Speaker 5: That's that is excellent advice and very true as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's really that's a good idea. We are live
Speaker 4: here in studio. I see a lot of comments here.
Speaker 4: Djo Thomas is in the comments section. Flat Rockland is
Speaker 4: in the comments who will Here's a reminder. You are
Speaker 4: scheduled to be on the show next week, so don't
Speaker 4: forget that. And if you want to hear flat Rockland,
Speaker 4: he will be on next week. If you guys have
Speaker 4: any questions or comments for Daniel about Arkansas or Anchorage, Alaska,
Speaker 4: or bigfoot or dog man or anything like that, throw
Speaker 4: him in the comments section and we will get to
Speaker 4: them before we wrap things up on the show today.
Speaker 4: I want to go back to a couple things about
Speaker 4: the bears and stuff up in Alaska here. So first
Speaker 4: of all, I want to ask you this. Putting yourself
Speaker 4: back in that position with the big black bear on
Speaker 4: the hiking trail, when this thing is rustling in the
Speaker 4: bushes and you're kind of waiting and watching for something
Speaker 4: to come out, you turn, you walk away, something tells
Speaker 4: you to turn around. You turn around. What if that
Speaker 4: was a you know, eight foot tall big foot standing there.
Speaker 4: Put yourself back in that position, and knowing how you
Speaker 4: reacted with the bear and how that felt and everything,
Speaker 4: what do you think would have happened if that would
Speaker 4: have been a bigfoot that crawled out of the bushes.
Speaker 5: Well, it.
Speaker 6: Would have depended on where I was in this case, Alaska.
Speaker 6: So the bigfoot in Alaska have a reputation for being
Speaker 6: far more on the aggressive side. And there's a couple
Speaker 6: theories about that, but the main theory is that the
Speaker 6: reason they're seen as a lot more aggressive is because
Speaker 6: of their lack of contact with the human population. Obviously
Speaker 6: up here we have a lot of area but small
Speaker 6: human population. If it had happened up here, if I
Speaker 6: would come face to face with a bigfoot up here,
Speaker 6: I would immediately be a little bit more on the
Speaker 6: cautious side, you know, just given the reputation that bigfoot
Speaker 6: have in this state. But you know a lot of
Speaker 6: people say, you know, they would run, you know, but
Speaker 6: as a bigfoot researcher, this is this is what I've
Speaker 6: been looking for. This is what I've been waiting for.
Speaker 6: So I don't see myself running, you know, if it
Speaker 6: is displaying aggressiveness and I felt my life was in
Speaker 6: danger whole other ballgame, you know, if I would probably
Speaker 6: have shot it. You know, if you know, if one
Speaker 6: of us is going, it's not going to be me,
Speaker 6: you know. So but as a bigfoot researcher, that's the
Speaker 6: goal is to see that bigfoot. So I'm not going
Speaker 6: to run unless I have to run.
Speaker 5: Excuse me.
Speaker 4: It's always interesting because we get asked all the time
Speaker 4: what would you do if you saw one? And so
Speaker 4: here's like I said, here's a situation where you were
Speaker 4: face to face with this bear, two hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: pounds bear standing right in front of you. Now, if
Speaker 4: that was you know, the tables are flipped. You know,
Speaker 4: you kind of have a really good idea of what
Speaker 4: that would feel like, whatever it was, you know. So
Speaker 4: it's puts you in a unique position to be able
Speaker 4: to answer that question a little more realistically than a
Speaker 4: lot of people that just have the hypothetical of, you know,
Speaker 4: not having that bear encounter or that experience.
Speaker 6: So that's interesting, Yeah, it has you know, they say
Speaker 6: experience is the best teacher, but it costs the most.
Speaker 6: And that experience with that bear taught me a lot
Speaker 6: in just those few short minutes, you know, And as
Speaker 6: I said, as a result, I'm very very careful about
Speaker 6: where and when I go, what time of day it is,
Speaker 6: you know, because bears are more active in the mornings
Speaker 6: and in the evenings, So I try to you know,
Speaker 6: get my research time in in midday. You know, it
Speaker 6: doesn't eliminate the you know, all of the risk, but
Speaker 6: at least it decreases it a little bit because you
Speaker 6: know that that moment was probably some of the scariest
Speaker 6: in my life.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: I see I have made a full power over in
Speaker 4: the comments. There's two flat rocks and I did not
Speaker 4: realize that. So yeah, I got.
Speaker 5: You mixed up.
Speaker 4: I don't there you go. So yes, flat rock will
Speaker 4: be on one of you. Whoever wants to come, there
Speaker 4: you go, both of you.
Speaker 6: So we have another saying up here in Alaska when
Speaker 6: it comes to bears, we say don't get tread weld.
Speaker 6: And don't get tread weld is a reference to that
Speaker 6: guy who years ago went out to I think it
Speaker 6: was Kodiak, and he interacted with the bears every season.
Speaker 6: He humanized them to the point of ridiculousness where they
Speaker 6: had names, and you know, he was out there thinking
Speaker 6: he was protecting the bears, et cetera, et cetera, and
Speaker 6: and unfortunately he ended up getting getting killed as well,
Speaker 6: and even worse, his girlfriend, who didn't even want to
Speaker 6: be there, she ended up getting killed as well. And
Speaker 6: when the Alaska State Police went out there the bears
Speaker 6: actually you know, went at them, you know, so they
Speaker 6: had to kill kill a few. But but it was
Speaker 6: a horrible tragedy that took place so needless because this guy,
Speaker 6: tread Well had humanized these bears to a ridiculous level.
Speaker 6: And but we do say that up here occasionally, don't
Speaker 6: get tread weld. You know, somebody's going out hiking, Hey,
Speaker 6: don't get tread weld. You know, so that's where that
Speaker 6: reference comes from.
Speaker 4: Interesting, Yeah, you hear that a lot in the Bigfoot
Speaker 4: research and stuff as well. You know, people not domesticating
Speaker 4: these creatures, but you know, like they give them names,
Speaker 4: they go out there, they do the gifting, they have
Speaker 4: these personal interactions with them. And that's the same thing
Speaker 4: as you know, like what you're talking about any any animal,
Speaker 4: any you know, even people. You know, it just takes
Speaker 4: one bad day and somebody snaps on you, you know,
Speaker 4: but any any animal out in the wild, you can
Speaker 4: domesticated all you want. And you know, even you know,
Speaker 4: farmers their their livestock. Pigs have been known to eat
Speaker 4: people that fall in the pen, the person that feeds them,
Speaker 4: you know, so you can never get too comfortable around
Speaker 4: these things or you know, lower your guard no matter
Speaker 4: what animal.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 6: Absolutely absolutely and you know, I've actually had tourists ask me,
Speaker 6: and I'm not kidding, this actually happens. Is it okay
Speaker 6: to pet the moose?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 6: Because here in Anchorage, the moose will just walk down
Speaker 6: the street like you know, down in Lower forty eight
Speaker 6: where I've been, like in Ohio and some deer. The
Speaker 6: deer down there kind of skittch, they'll run away from
Speaker 6: you a lot of times. But the moose will just
Speaker 6: walk down the middle of the street like own the joint,
Speaker 6: you know. And so tourists see this and they think
Speaker 6: that that is an indicator that these animals are in
Speaker 6: some way or shape or form tame. So they've actually
Speaker 6: asked me, he said, okay to pet the moose. I'm like, no,
Speaker 6: you know, And we have some moose collisions obviously here
Speaker 6: moose vehicle collisions, and a lot of times, I say
Speaker 6: a lot of times, several times the drivers have been
Speaker 6: killed because these moose weigh over one thousand pounds and
Speaker 6: when they get hit, they fall in on the windshield.
Speaker 6: So that's one thousand pounds coming at you at a
Speaker 6: at a pretty high rate of speed, you know, so
Speaker 6: the collisions are often deadly for the driver and the moose.
Speaker 6: And unfortunately, and this this is a story that was
Speaker 6: told to me by the Anchorage police that they've had
Speaker 6: moose collisions in town where the moose will be on
Speaker 6: the on the street, you know, still and these people
Speaker 6: that that are that are, oh, it's the moose. It's
Speaker 6: a it's a precious animal, will try to run over
Speaker 6: there and interfere and try to uh, you know, you know,
Speaker 6: comfort the moose and it's dying minutes and etcetera. Where
Speaker 6: they actually had to threaten people with arrest, you know,
Speaker 6: because people humanize these animals so much they want to
Speaker 6: come over there and provide comfort to it after it's
Speaker 6: been in a collision.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: So it can get a little crazy up here.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's the isolation kicking in up there. People going nuts.
Speaker 5: Right. Oh oh man, let's see.
Speaker 4: Oh I recently saw online a video you talk about
Speaker 4: the moose walking down the streets. There was a clip
Speaker 4: released of hippos in Africa and picture you know, your
Speaker 4: your typical downtown city buildings, traffic lights, everything, and there
Speaker 4: was these two or three hippos I can't remember just
Speaker 4: walking down the road and people are videotaping them and
Speaker 4: stuff and just walking right down. It's like, hippos are
Speaker 4: the most deadliest animal right now, and you know they
Speaker 4: are just watering through the city. That was a very
Speaker 4: cool video, but not something that you know, moose are
Speaker 4: one thing I get, but hippos or another.
Speaker 6: So yeah, that's another beast that terrifies me. I had
Speaker 6: an opportunity to go to Africa once and I declined
Speaker 6: because I'm not ready for Africa, you know, and hippos
Speaker 6: and the two main reasons I didn't want to or
Speaker 6: for actually three main reasons I didn't want to go
Speaker 6: to Africa hippos, lions, and the black mamba.
Speaker 5: Oh you know, every.
Speaker 6: Kind of poisonous snake in the world, you know. So
Speaker 6: I was like, I think I'll pass on that invitation.
Speaker 6: So I didn't end up going.
Speaker 4: So you don't plan on going to Australia anytime soon either.
Speaker 6: I did go to Australia once, and every time I
Speaker 6: stepped on grass, I was like, you know, every time
Speaker 6: I stepped in any type of vegetation, I'm like, is
Speaker 6: there a Sydney Sydney funnel web? Spider in here? Is
Speaker 6: there a red belly black snake in here? You know?
Speaker 6: I was and even going to the beach. You know,
Speaker 6: I didn't even want to stick my toe in the water,
Speaker 6: you know, because I you know, you get these visions
Speaker 6: of a great white shark just you know, be lining
Speaker 6: it over to you, or and these man o war
Speaker 6: jellyfish and these little tiny jellyfish that can that can
Speaker 6: put you out, you know. So I didn't want to
Speaker 6: stick my toe in the water. I know that's being
Speaker 6: overly paranoid, but I thought about those things, you.
Speaker 5: Know, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4: All right, it doesn't look like we have any questions
Speaker 4: so far over here, Like I said, we are live.
Speaker 4: So if you guys have any questions specifically for our guests,
Speaker 4: throw them in there. Maybe put them in all caps
Speaker 4: so that we can see them. I want to go
Speaker 4: back to the bears again here. So you mentioned like
Speaker 4: seeing these the tree breaks and the stick breaks and
Speaker 4: stuff like that. And so in reference to what people
Speaker 4: are calling these nests or blinds or stuff that bigfoot make,
Speaker 4: what have you seen being so surrounded by bears and
Speaker 4: stuff up there? Do you find bear nests? Do you
Speaker 4: find bear blinds or anything? Like that, because we know
Speaker 4: that they make their own versions of nests and stuff
Speaker 4: where they sleep. What are you seeing there and how
Speaker 4: does that compare or do you not find any of
Speaker 4: that either?
Speaker 6: With the bears, what I find is signs of the
Speaker 6: of them rooting around, you know, kind of the claw
Speaker 6: the claw marks, scratching and things like that and so
Speaker 6: and that's another thing that I look for with the
Speaker 6: with the tree breaks. You know, if if a bear
Speaker 6: has been has been around that area, I'm looking for
Speaker 6: the claw marks and you know, indicators that would point
Speaker 6: to bear activity. You know, I'm looking around on the
Speaker 6: ground and and stuff. And sometimes especially with the moose.
Speaker 6: You know, the moose are so massive. If if there's
Speaker 6: been a moose laying there, when they get up and leave,
Speaker 6: that the whole ground is flattened. You know, the whole
Speaker 6: ground is flattened there. And I know you guys in
Speaker 6: the Midwest see it with the with the deer that
Speaker 6: have bedded down. So when it comes to bears, I'm
Speaker 6: looking for claw marks. I'm looking for scratch marks on
Speaker 6: the tree or around the tree someplace. And uh and
Speaker 6: I haven't you know, with so many bears in the
Speaker 6: state of Alaska. You would think that you would come
Speaker 6: across maybe a dead bear every now and then, or
Speaker 6: you see one by the river, or come across some bones,
Speaker 6: you know, But I have never in all the times
Speaker 6: I've been in the in the woods here and on
Speaker 6: the trails, I have never seen a bear bone or
Speaker 6: a dead bear or anything like that. You know, people
Speaker 6: outside the Bigfoot community are saying, well, why didn't you
Speaker 6: find any bones? You know, why don't you find this? Well,
Speaker 6: you know what, you can't even find bears, I mean
Speaker 6: finding one of those is rare too, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 6: But when it comes to bears and the tree breaks
Speaker 6: and the nests and things like that, you know, I
Speaker 6: look for the signs that they've been in the area,
Speaker 6: and the main one is that is the claw marks
Speaker 6: of them scratching around on the in the ground and
Speaker 6: on the trees. And if I if I see that sign,
Speaker 6: I pretty much generally dismiss it as as being encrypted related.
Speaker 6: But it's those tree breaks that again, the standalone breaks
Speaker 6: that you find, and the tree manipulations that the arches,
Speaker 6: you know, the tree manipulations, those standalone breaks. If I
Speaker 6: don't see any signs of bear activity and based on
Speaker 6: my criteria where it is, you know, could it be
Speaker 6: weather related, could there be human traffic through here? You know,
Speaker 6: if none of it, none of it, excuse me, indicates
Speaker 6: any of that, then I generally can say more likely
Speaker 6: than not, this was caused by a cryptid. You know,
Speaker 6: But you got to be really careful, and like I said,
Speaker 6: you got to be your first skeptic. All good researchers
Speaker 6: are their first skeptic. So, and the treatment manipulations are
Speaker 6: a little bit easier because the tree manipulations you often
Speaker 6: find the weaving going on multiple branches, weaving archways that
Speaker 6: could not have been caused by natural phenomenon. So those
Speaker 6: are a little bit easier, I think, absolutely.
Speaker 4: But you don't you don't find, yeah, you don't find
Speaker 4: like any kind of bear nests or not nests. But
Speaker 4: you know, like I said, where they're laying or anything
Speaker 4: like that, nothing that shows similarities to to these other things.
Speaker 6: Like the most of most of the time I'm finding
Speaker 6: what I believe are are moose and it could have
Speaker 6: been caused by bears to the where the ground has
Speaker 6: been flattened. And again it all depends on the area.
Speaker 6: But the bears that I've seen like, I've never seen
Speaker 6: a bear just laying down. Like all the bears I've
Speaker 6: ever seen in Alaska have been on the move, you know,
Speaker 6: be it near the rivers where the salminar, be it
Speaker 6: going across the landscape. Sometimes you can look up on
Speaker 6: the mountains. You can actually look up on the mountains
Speaker 6: and see them going across you know, the mountain vegetation,
Speaker 6: you know. But I've never seen a bear laying down anywhere. Obviously,
Speaker 6: obviously they do, but but I've just never seen it.
Speaker 6: And the land indentations, the vegetation indentations that I come across,
Speaker 6: or mostly I would say caused by moose, you know.
Speaker 6: And another thing bears have, and a lot of people
Speaker 6: will tell you this is they stink. You know, they
Speaker 6: smell bad and so especially in the summer. So if
Speaker 6: there's a bear around, you know, you might you might
Speaker 6: catch a whiff of them. But they're like silent stalkers.
Speaker 6: I mean, they're so big, so massive, but you may
Speaker 6: not even realize that they're only twenty five feet away
Speaker 6: from you in the brush. And I'd say that when
Speaker 6: I'm out doing research, the scariest moments I have are
Speaker 6: going through brush where it's so tall that I can't see,
Speaker 6: you know. And I've heard a lot of stories about
Speaker 6: people going through there and all of a sudden one
Speaker 6: will stand up, you know, and it's hind legs and
Speaker 6: sniff the air, and but you never know what could
Speaker 6: be waiting around that next bend.
Speaker 4: When you you talk about the smell of the bears,
Speaker 4: is that kind of similar to what people are describing
Speaker 4: with like the ransom meat garbage kind of smell or
Speaker 4: is that something different? What do you what a bears
Speaker 4: smell like when you encounter them.
Speaker 6: Well, I've only smelled it really once, and but but
Speaker 6: the stories that other people tell me, hunters and hikers,
Speaker 6: other hikers, I've only smelled it once. And when I
Speaker 6: smelled it, it was like like a mixture of of
Speaker 6: old dog and and and poop, you know. It was,
Speaker 6: and it's musky, musky, old dog and poop, you know,
Speaker 6: and and it was it was pretty rancid. But but
Speaker 6: you know a lot of people describe when they have
Speaker 6: a big foot encounter or the near one, this horrible,
Speaker 6: horrible stench that bigfoot emit, you know it. It definitely
Speaker 6: wasn't that level, but it was bad fair enough.
Speaker 4: That's what I was wondering, like it could be like
Speaker 4: a misidentification of bears or something there. But that property
Speaker 4: in Upper Michigan where I was talking about earlier, my
Speaker 4: mom would have catch whiffs of I can't remember what
Speaker 4: they're called, but it's a sweet cigar. And she would
Speaker 4: smell this cigar kind of sweet smell around the bears.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't necessarily a bad smell. But every time
Speaker 4: you'd you'd run into an area where something had been
Speaker 4: or you could see evidence and stuff, she would get
Speaker 4: this this smell of that, And I did. I noticed
Speaker 4: it like once or twice, but she would she would
Speaker 4: point it out quite a bit up there. But yeah,
Speaker 4: thank you Lee swiss or sweets.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 4: The cigars that her brothers and stuff her father used
Speaker 4: to smoke and stuff, and so she'd she knew the
Speaker 4: smell of that.
Speaker 6: But interesting they had they had this play called things
Speaker 6: called the Alaska Wildlife Park. It's outside of Anchorage always
Speaker 6: and they have some bears there and and that are
Speaker 6: in captivity. And those bears will walk up, you know,
Speaker 6: near the fence line, you know, not I mean just
Speaker 6: a few feet away from you. And and I've smelled
Speaker 6: it from them not as bad. But I smelled, you know,
Speaker 6: just slight sense from those bears, But it wasn't as
Speaker 6: bad as the one I smelled actually in the field.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's pretty bad.
Speaker 4: Well, on that note, did you notice any smell when
Speaker 4: you encountered the two hundred and fifty pounds one right
Speaker 4: face to face?
Speaker 6: I didn't. I didn't smell anything. I it was so
Speaker 6: it's such a bizarre moment because we were literally at
Speaker 6: a dead stare with each other. I mean, its eyes
Speaker 6: were right on mine, and the thing I remember most
Speaker 6: about its face was the brown, the light brown outline
Speaker 6: of its uh of its around its eyes and stuff.
Speaker 6: That's what I remember most about it. But I didn't
Speaker 6: smell anything. Surprisingly, if I smelled something, it probably would
Speaker 6: have been coming from me. No.
Speaker 4: I keep going back to that because, like I said,
Speaker 4: it's such a unique encounter that you can compare it
Speaker 4: one hundred percent to a Bigfoot sighting and use it
Speaker 4: to to, you know, take that note of well, what
Speaker 4: did you experience? Did you smell anything in the you know,
Speaker 4: did you have these you know, all these questions that
Speaker 4: we asked the witnesses of Bigfoot, You can ask yourself
Speaker 4: and go, well, you're you're in this flight or flight
Speaker 4: fight or flight moment of you know, I'm fighting for
Speaker 4: my life here, whether you're fighting or not, you know,
Speaker 4: and you have to take that into consideration of what
Speaker 4: was going through your mind. And you know, maybe it
Speaker 4: did smell and you just totally wasn't anything you were
Speaker 4: interested in thinking about and just blocked it out.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's a really cool perception to be able
Speaker 4: to have, you know, as scary as it probably was.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of people ask me, well, did you
Speaker 6: have bear spray? And uh, you know, they could get
Speaker 6: the you know, the pepper spray basically is for those
Speaker 6: who were not familiar with a big, huge cans of
Speaker 6: pepper spray, And uh, I actually didn't have any that day.
Speaker 6: I don't carry it very often. One time I had
Speaker 6: it sitting in the front passenger seat in my vehicle
Speaker 6: and I had to stop abruptly and it rolled off
Speaker 6: the passenger seat and hit the floor and when it
Speaker 6: hit the floor, it went off inside the car, you know,
Speaker 6: And uh, I haven't forgotten that moment, and uh it
Speaker 6: was pretty bad, but but I prefer you know, uh,
Speaker 6: you know what like Han Solo says, you know, in
Speaker 6: Star Wars, nothing beats a good blaster at your side.
Speaker 6: You know, I prefer that route more than the bear
Speaker 6: spy myself. I had. I had alternated also, sorry to interrupt,
Speaker 6: I had alternated specifically for this reason. I had alternated
Speaker 6: the shells in the gun. Like I had shot slug
Speaker 6: shot slug shot sug. I had alternated the shells specifically
Speaker 6: for a bear encounter.
Speaker 5: Interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I won't get into the stories now take up
Speaker 4: too much time, but I can tell you three stories
Speaker 4: where bear spray did not go well for the people
Speaker 4: and no bear around, just in general of having a
Speaker 4: can of bear spray with them. And I cannot tell
Speaker 4: you any stories that I've heard where somebody said I
Speaker 4: was in the woods used bear spray and it saved
Speaker 4: my life. So I guess it's a it's a toss
Speaker 4: up of being prepared and having accidents.
Speaker 5: So I've heard more accidents. Good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I got a good whiff of it in the car,
Speaker 6: and yeah it was it was pretty bad, pretty bad, absolutely,
Speaker 6: all right?
Speaker 4: Man, Well, were we were at the end of the
Speaker 4: show here, I want to I don't want to take
Speaker 4: up your time. If you got something else going on.
Speaker 4: We do have the picture still, if you'd like to
Speaker 4: talk about that, I'd love to do that.
Speaker 5: Before we wrap up.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, go for it.
Speaker 4: Awesome, all right, So why don't we you want to
Speaker 4: show the picture, you introduce it first.
Speaker 6: I'll go ahead and introduce it first.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 4: So tell us you sent me this awesome picture here,
Speaker 4: and it's got some cool new stuff going on with
Speaker 4: it and exciting news, and so tell us tell us
Speaker 4: all about it.
Speaker 6: So the picture that you're about to see, you're gonna
Speaker 6: see two pictures, and one is from a distance and
Speaker 6: the other one is close up and well relatively close up.
Speaker 6: And this picture was taken in our research area in
Speaker 6: Arkansas that we call Ground Zero, myself, William Lunsford, and
Speaker 6: Stephen Hill, and we had been out in the field
Speaker 6: checking the game cameras and doing our research and we
Speaker 6: were actually on our way out and you know, you
Speaker 6: hear a lot of bigfoot researchers talk about that sensation
Speaker 6: of feeling like you're being watched, and on this particular day,
Speaker 6: that's what we were feeling. And we had already found
Speaker 6: some tracks in the area, excusing very large tracks in
Speaker 6: the area. So as we're coming out of the woodline.
Speaker 6: You know, we were like, you know what if something
Speaker 6: is watching us, it's watching us from the tree line,
Speaker 6: And so I immediately turned around and in rapid succession
Speaker 6: started taking grid shots of the tree line, just boom
Speaker 6: boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom, all the
Speaker 6: way down in quick, rapid succession. And this is as
Speaker 6: we're still making our way up towards the old logging
Speaker 6: road that's in that area. So when we got up
Speaker 6: to the logging road, we started exact ammining the photographs
Speaker 6: and that's when in this particular photograph that you're going
Speaker 6: to see, we saw what appeared to be a face
Speaker 6: looking back at us. So this is the distance one
Speaker 6: and again this was one of many that was taken
Speaker 6: in rapid succession in our research area and ground zero.
Speaker 6: And the area of focus that we want to look
Speaker 6: at is between those two white branches that are down there.
Speaker 5: And is not it where am I oh down here? Yep?
Speaker 6: Down there? Yeah, Okay, between those two white branches there
Speaker 6: near the upper part of it. What you're going to see,
Speaker 6: or what we believe is there is the face of
Speaker 6: a sasquatch that's what I belie that we were looking
Speaker 6: at as it is watching us from the tree line. Now,
Speaker 6: good researchers, like we've said before, good researchers, you always
Speaker 6: have to be your first skeptic. So this is what
Speaker 6: we did. So when we saw that picture as we're
Speaker 6: up there on the logging road, we actually sent it
Speaker 6: to a professional photographer up in Anchorage, Alaska, from a
Speaker 6: company called ACE forty nine Photography. We sent that picture
Speaker 6: up there to have them examine it, and they did
Speaker 6: all their filters and all that stuff that we don't
Speaker 6: know how to do because I'm not much of a techie,
Speaker 6: and so they did their filters and they said, whatever
Speaker 6: is there is still there. So we had them look
Speaker 6: at it, and the next day I had to go
Speaker 6: back to Alaska. So the next day my partners William
Speaker 6: Lunsford and Stephen Hill actually had to go back out
Speaker 6: to the area and go back there and make sure
Speaker 6: that it wasn't a tree or there was make sure
Speaker 6: there was no structure back there, because you know, another
Speaker 6: thing about the Arkansas areas and and other areas that
Speaker 6: we go to is there are old abandoned structures back
Speaker 6: there in the woods, you know, because a lot of
Speaker 6: these areas were inhabited areas you know that that time
Speaker 6: has forgotten, you know, so it's not uncommon to be
Speaker 6: out in the middle of the woods there and come
Speaker 6: across some type of former structure, you know. So my
Speaker 6: partners had to actually go back, go back to the trees,
Speaker 6: go back there and make sure there was no big
Speaker 6: chain and there really aren't big trees in that area.
Speaker 6: Make sure that there was no big trees in the area,
Speaker 6: just to double check again, because you always have to
Speaker 6: be your first skeptic and always have to rule out
Speaker 6: all these different things. So yeah, that's that's the story
Speaker 6: of that picture. And it was a really good catching.
Speaker 6: Near that area, we found very large tracks, so you know,
Speaker 6: putting the puzzle pieces together obvious. So it's open to interpretation,
Speaker 6: you know. And one of the things that we say
Speaker 6: in bigfoot research is never speaking absolutes, because things that
Speaker 6: you might think are true today, you might uncover new
Speaker 6: evidence tomorrow that completely, you know, blows that one out
Speaker 6: of the water. So never speaking absolutes. But what we
Speaker 6: think we are looking at, in our opinion, is the
Speaker 6: actual face of a sasquatch that was watching us from
Speaker 6: the tree line, and this picture has garnered some attention
Speaker 6: as of late, and we knew this picture was good.
Speaker 6: We knew it was good as soon as we saw it.
Speaker 6: You know, we got something special here. So we actually
Speaker 6: had a copyrighted pretty quickly and eventually I don't know
Speaker 6: how it got noticed. I think it was on our
Speaker 6: TikTok channel, but the Discovery channel took an interest in it.
Speaker 6: And so one of their TV shows that's on Discovery
Speaker 6: and Disney Plus called Paranormal Caught on Camera has taken
Speaker 6: an interest in this, and we just completed some interviews
Speaker 6: with them recently and when they saw this picture, they
Speaker 6: wanted to see more. So they actually asked us for
Speaker 6: some more pictures from our area as well. And I
Speaker 6: will say this about them, this kind of sidebar, but
Speaker 6: I will say this about them. You know, when you're
Speaker 6: in this field, you're used to people making fun of you.
Speaker 6: You're used to people ridiculing you and giving you a
Speaker 6: little bit of heat, whether in jest or for real.
Speaker 6: But I have to say these, these people that we
Speaker 6: dealt with with this TV show were absolutely wonderful. They
Speaker 6: were absolutely very nice at every step of the way.
Speaker 6: And I just want to point that out that that
Speaker 6: they treated us very well. So this picture is sometimes
Speaker 6: called the gorilla picture, and that term actually came from
Speaker 6: one of my bosses at work who said, Daniel, what
Speaker 6: are you taking a picture of a gorilla pooping in
Speaker 6: the woods for? So that's that's where that term came from.
Speaker 6: So it's kind of stuck. But yeah, what we believe
Speaker 6: we're seeing is the actual face of a sasquatch. And
Speaker 6: a lot of people, you know, online have examined this
Speaker 6: photo and they've they've said they see other sasquatch around it,
Speaker 6: they see baby sasquatch, they see one on the shoulder,
Speaker 6: a baby on the shoulder, they see a hand, you know,
Speaker 6: reaching around. You know, a lot of people have examined
Speaker 6: this photo and said they've seen various things, which we
Speaker 6: always appreciate because, you know, it's always really good to
Speaker 6: have other people examine your photos and and be able
Speaker 6: to conduct their own analysis on it. But yeah, that's
Speaker 6: what we what we believe we're seeing, and we're very
Speaker 6: very fortunate to catch fortunate to catch this shot. Now,
Speaker 6: we've gotten lots of pictures from this from this research area.
Speaker 6: It's every time we go out there. We're pretty much
Speaker 6: guaranteed some type of activity, whether it's a track or
Speaker 6: whether it's our game cameras catching thing or here in vocalizations.
Speaker 6: That's actually that area is the first time I ever
Speaker 6: heard of bigfoot screen and it's just an area that's charged.
Speaker 6: I mean, you go in there, and I know that
Speaker 6: term is overused, but it's an area that is just charged.
Speaker 6: You can just feel it. There's something different about our
Speaker 6: research area ground zero. That's that's just amazing. And hopefully
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty six, I'm gonna be able to do
Speaker 6: some research on the actual area itself. I want to
Speaker 6: find out what the history of the land is because
Speaker 6: because there's just something special about it. But yeah, we
Speaker 6: were very fortunate enough to get that picture and very
Speaker 6: pleased that it's gotten some good attention as of late,
Speaker 6: and we love talking about it.
Speaker 5: Cool.
Speaker 4: Now, see you bring up a point that people saw
Speaker 4: other stuff. You know, this is the this is the
Speaker 4: second photo that you sent me where it's circled, and
Speaker 4: I wasn't sure where that actually was on this Like
Speaker 4: I said in the when I brought it up, I
Speaker 4: was looking at this where from farther away this looked
Speaker 4: like a face up here and that's what I had
Speaker 4: thought that you had circled. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: this thing is up in a tree. Well that's really interesting.
Speaker 4: But I now that you point out where it actually is,
Speaker 4: you absolutely can see what looks like, you know, you
Speaker 4: have the head, you have the conical dome here, face nose,
Speaker 4: and then leave and point it out there. Looks like
Speaker 4: there's a hand here as well, and you had mentioned that,
Speaker 4: and then possibly you got like the curve of the
Speaker 4: neck and shoulder here in the image.
Speaker 5: So that's really interesting.
Speaker 6: That's really Yeah, a lot of people have, like I said,
Speaker 6: a lot of people have taken taken a look at
Speaker 6: this picture and circled various things, and we actually appreciate that.
Speaker 6: We we welcome it. And you mentioned about the trees
Speaker 6: back there. So we have what we call the five
Speaker 6: t's of Bigfoot research, and one of them is trees.
Speaker 6: We have trees, tracked, trails, time, and technology. Those are
Speaker 6: our five t's of Bigfoot research. So the fact that
Speaker 6: you pointed out trees, you know, uh, just reminds me
Speaker 6: of our of our five te's. But but yeah, we're
Speaker 6: we're very fortunate enough, we feel to get that picture.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's cool. That's a very cool picture man.
Speaker 6: Thanks.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you having it on the show and sharing
Speaker 4: it with us. It's really cool that we get to
Speaker 4: see it as well. And I have I have also
Speaker 4: heard from Cliff Berrickman you know, uh that you know,
Speaker 4: he's very particular about what shows he lends his appearance
Speaker 4: and stuff to in that and he has always spoke
Speaker 4: very highly as well of Paranormal Caught on camera. So
Speaker 4: I'm I'm glad that you actually had a positive experience
Speaker 4: with them as well.
Speaker 6: So it was very positive because I'll admit, because of
Speaker 6: heat that that we've taken in the past and ridicule,
Speaker 6: ridicule and people laughing at you and smirking at you
Speaker 6: and talking about you, and you know, I was ready,
Speaker 6: That's what I was ready for, you know, them to
Speaker 6: try to make me feel stupid or anything. But but
Speaker 6: they were very nice, very nice people, very good.
Speaker 5: Good to hear man.
Speaker 4: It's good that there's a lot of shows out there
Speaker 4: that actually, uh, you know, don't ridicule on stuff and
Speaker 4: take it for face value of what you think and
Speaker 4: and you know the actual what's going on there. So
Speaker 4: that's awesome. A lot of times they try and overplay everything.
Speaker 4: A lot of the paranormal shows are like, it's a demon,
Speaker 4: it's a demon, it's dark, and it's just overkill.
Speaker 6: That And another question I get about that picture is
Speaker 6: what what type of camera were you using? Unfortunately at
Speaker 6: the time, we didn't have like our you know, the
Speaker 6: high tech cameras that that is actually taken with a
Speaker 6: with a cell phone camera and so it was an
Speaker 6: iPhone that I was using.
Speaker 4: But that's really clear quality for a cell phone camera
Speaker 4: to be honest, to be able to you know, like
Speaker 4: to be able to zoom in like this, uh, for
Speaker 4: on on the show and stuff. Usually we get so
Speaker 4: pixelated in that when we zoom in, I was surprised
Speaker 4: that I was able to keep going on that one.
Speaker 5: So that's that's a really nice picture.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was an It was an iPhone Promax is
Speaker 6: what I was using. But you know, we and again
Speaker 6: that that area, you know, we have all kinds of
Speaker 6: cameras back there and hidden and stuff like that, and
Speaker 6: and uh and on a you know, also people have
Speaker 6: asked me about the cameras, you know, and they say, oh,
Speaker 6: have you guys ever experienced interference with your technologies and
Speaker 6: and the answer to that question is, yes, we have.
Speaker 6: As you'll hear from many bigfoot researchers, many cryptid researchers.
Speaker 6: We'll always talk about this phenomenon, and we actually developed
Speaker 6: a term for it. We call it CEI, cryptied Electronic interference.
Speaker 6: We just came up with our own term because it's
Speaker 6: getting a lot of questions like that. And I was
Speaker 6: very surprised that that picture that we took didn't have
Speaker 6: any blurs to it. We've had our drone die, we've
Speaker 6: we've had our cameras affected in that area at very
Speaker 6: very interesting peculiar times. But maybe we'll get a chance
Speaker 6: to talk about that someday. But but that CEI phenomenon,
Speaker 6: but we were very lucky to get this picture, and
Speaker 6: like you said, you know it came out really well.
Speaker 4: Absolutely flat Rock who will be on my show Monday,
Speaker 4: not the other flat rock. As what is the purpose
Speaker 4: for the copyright.
Speaker 6: Well, we wanted the picture protection protected because we knew
Speaker 6: it was it was different. We knew it was good
Speaker 6: and as you know, evidence by the interest taken by
Speaker 6: the Discovery Channel and that pretty much pretty much says
Speaker 6: it all right there. But we knew it was something special,
Speaker 6: so we wanted to protect our work.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: It's always good to you know, because like people, there's
Speaker 4: so much you know, AI and people stealing photos and
Speaker 4: reposting it and stuff and claiming it's there. So I
Speaker 4: one hundred percent understand the you know, this is my photo.
Speaker 4: I took it, you know, if there's anything behind it,
Speaker 4: I want credit for it.
Speaker 5: So very good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you for the question. Valid question. And yeah,
Speaker 6: that's that's why we felt we needed to protect it,
Speaker 6: you know, because it was special. Do you always protect
Speaker 6: what's special?
Speaker 4: I don't blame you, all right, man, Well we are
Speaker 4: over our show today. I really appreciate you sticking around
Speaker 4: and hanging out. It's been a wonderful show. And I
Speaker 4: think the one thing that I want to take away
Speaker 4: from all this here is, you know, I've talked about
Speaker 4: this a lot on my show. When when my team
Speaker 4: goes out in the woods, we don't go looking for bigfoot,
Speaker 4: you know, we go looking for what's out there. It
Speaker 4: could be fairies, it could be dog man, could be
Speaker 4: paranormal UFOs. We've got a report of something in the area,
Speaker 4: we go out and you go with an open mind.
Speaker 4: And I think that today's show kind of enveloped that
Speaker 4: all in a new aspect as well, is talking about
Speaker 4: bears and moose and cougars and stuff. If you go
Speaker 4: out there with with bigfoot blinders on or dog man
Speaker 4: blinders or whatever it is that you're going out looking for,
Speaker 4: you're gonna miss something that could be life threatening to
Speaker 4: you on a very natural and you know, environmental level.
Speaker 4: So I think that's very important to put out in
Speaker 4: today's show. So you have a podcast, you have some
Speaker 4: research and stuff out there, tell us all about the
Speaker 4: podcast and where we can find it, and any events
Speaker 4: and stuff that you've got coming up as well.
Speaker 6: So the name of our podcast is the Cryptive Wilderness
Speaker 6: Research Podcast. It's on YouTube and Apple. We also have
Speaker 6: a TikTok channel, which is where we do, excuse me,
Speaker 6: a majority of our of our activity. So upcoming here
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty six, we I'll be headed back down
Speaker 6: to Arkansas to go out again with William Lunceford and
Speaker 6: Steven Hill. We're going to do a lot, a lot
Speaker 6: of filming while we're down there, hopefully get together with
Speaker 6: Keith Crabtree like we always do from the Legend of
Speaker 6: Boggie Creek and yeah, we're just gonna do a lot
Speaker 6: more filming on this one than we have done in
Speaker 6: previous times. And you know, we have drones in our
Speaker 6: research and we're going to do a lot more a
Speaker 6: lot more drone footage. And we actually, again with that
Speaker 6: CEI that I mentioned before, we've even experienced it with
Speaker 6: our drones over our research areas. But yeah, so also
Speaker 6: my partner William Lunsford has a new book out. Highly
Speaker 6: encourage you to to look that up online and excuse
Speaker 6: me here. So yeah, new research in twenty twenty six
Speaker 6: down in Arkansas, We're going to be going into Louisiana
Speaker 6: as well and Lincoln up with with our friends down
Speaker 6: there to who has some private property that has some
Speaker 6: really amazing bigfoot activity on that property. So I'm really
Speaker 6: looking forward to that. And uh yeah, it's gonna be
Speaker 6: a good upcoming year. And uh my partner Williams got
Speaker 6: some conferences lined up. I don't have any conferences lined
Speaker 6: up as of yet, but but it's a little bit
Speaker 6: more difficult for me to to get out of Alaska,
Speaker 6: especially fly out here during tourist season. But we have
Speaker 6: to encourage you to check out our our channel on
Speaker 6: TikTok as well. As uh as well as YouTube and
Speaker 6: and Apple podcasts.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: We just had I I was telling you this before
Speaker 6: the show. We just had author and filmmaker La Marzouli
Speaker 6: on the podcast and and that was always fun. We
Speaker 6: were talking about kind of a kind of a sidebar
Speaker 6: from the crypto stuff. We were talking about the mysterious
Speaker 6: mound builders, the mound builders who created those mounds there
Speaker 6: in the Midwest. So that was fun. So yeah, check
Speaker 6: us out.
Speaker 4: Sounds good man, Yeah, ironically are before at the beginning
Speaker 4: show I talked about the Washaa County Jail episode. The
Speaker 4: one that we just released before that was the Mounds
Speaker 4: Builder episode of Astalin State Park and Kahokia. So I
Speaker 4: was down there doing some paranormal research and stuff and
Speaker 4: the mounds and energy and stuff, so very very cool.
Speaker 6: Yeah, very very interesting. And my hometown is Newark, Ohio,
Speaker 6: where we have mounds there and the Great Serpent Mound
Speaker 6: is there as well as the octagons and all that,
Speaker 6: and so I grew up around these things. So getting
Speaker 6: La Marzouli on there to talk about it was a
Speaker 6: real honor.
Speaker 5: Very cool, very cool man.
Speaker 4: Well, we have in the show notes, we have the
Speaker 4: links to your YouTube channel and to the Facebook page
Speaker 4: as well. And after this wraps up here I will
Speaker 4: get the links to TikTok and William Lunsford's book for
Speaker 4: you as well in the show notes to promote.
Speaker 5: That as well.
Speaker 4: So look forward to If you're listening to this on
Speaker 4: any audio platform, it will be already there for you.
Speaker 4: If you're watching this on YouTube, it'll get updated. So awesome. Man,
Speaker 4: any final thoughts, anything you want to leave people with.
Speaker 6: Well, again, just if you're in this field, you know,
Speaker 6: always be your first skeptic. Always be your first skeptic.
Speaker 6: A couple rules that we live by is never speak
Speaker 6: in absolutes when it comes to cryptozoology, because if somebody
Speaker 6: tells you they know it all, they don't. Number two,
Speaker 6: never publicly criticize someone else's research or experience just because
Speaker 6: it happened hasn't happened to you doesn't invalidate it. And
Speaker 6: number three, everybody's theories are just as valid as someone
Speaker 6: else is. Wait, that doesn't make sense. Everybody's theories are valid.
Speaker 6: Everybody's theories are are valid, So always approach it with
Speaker 6: an open mind. Be willing to take things under consideration,
Speaker 6: even if you don't agree with it be open minded
Speaker 6: enough to at least consider it. So yeah, that's what I.
Speaker 4: Got, very well, said very well. Indeed, man, it's been
Speaker 4: a pleasure chatting with you. I look forward to having
Speaker 4: you on again. I think we missed out on talking
Speaker 4: about the energy and stuff and the EMF and stuff
Speaker 4: that we were kind of mumbling about. Oh right, right, well,
Speaker 4: and it's kind of interesting topic, so I'll have to
Speaker 4: have you back and chat more on that down the road.
Speaker 6: It is. Well, thank you so much for having me on,
Speaker 6: and really appreciate it and everything that goes on the Midwest.
Speaker 6: Being from the Midwest originally is close to my heart,
Speaker 6: so we appreciate researchers like you and your team out
Speaker 6: there exploring all the time.
Speaker 4: Absolutely stay safe, watch out for bears and snakes and
Speaker 4: other poisonous things when you go down down to Arkansas
Speaker 4: as well, so you'd be safe.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 6: Thank you very much. Take care, take care man.
Speaker 4: All right, guys, that is our show for this week.
Speaker 4: Coming up on Christmas Day, we will be back here
Speaker 4: on the Untold Radio Network for the Paranormal Spectrum. My
Speaker 4: guest is my own team member Ellie Wisenzell, coming on
Speaker 4: to talk about how you can stay positive and keep
Speaker 4: yourself cleansed and safe over all these interactions at social
Speaker 4: gatherings and stuff and having to go to Walmart and
Speaker 4: all your runs and how you can protect yourself and
Speaker 4: your energy, and then coming up, flat Rock will be
Speaker 4: on my show coming up on Monday, and hopefully I
Speaker 4: get the right one, because I honestly, for the first
Speaker 4: time today realized.
Speaker 5: There was two of you. So there you go. I
Speaker 5: apologize for that, but.
Speaker 4: One of you will be on the show on Monday
Speaker 4: live here, and then next Thursday we have Angela's Abel
Speaker 4: coming on on New Year's as a recorded episode again
Speaker 4: and she will be talking about staying positive and bringing
Speaker 4: in positive energy for your new year on the Paranormal Spectrum.
Speaker 4: Until next time, guys, thanks for watching. Remember to like, subscribe,
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Speaker 4: Go check out William LUNs Ford's new book.
Speaker 5: I will put that in the show notes.
Speaker 4: And check out Daniel's podcast and go like and subscribe
Speaker 4: and share all that in the show notes as well.
Speaker 4: Until next week, guys, I'll see on the edge
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