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<v Speaker 1>How are you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the fourth episode of Super League three sixty.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Lee Addison.

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<v Speaker 1>And my name is John Davidson.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of us has got their TV in the background.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it me? John?

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<v Speaker 1>I've not got a TV in the back. I've got

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<v Speaker 1>a window, I hope.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, maybe people are commentating on the football outside

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<v Speaker 2>your window. Happy happy new Year from us both. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I had my TV on two percent right and

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<v Speaker 2>Arsenal playing Liverpool and I need to keep an eye

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<v Speaker 2>on this because City dropped some points the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>So happy new Year from us both, no doubt. Happy

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<v Speaker 2>new Year to you, John.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Happy new Year. I mean it's what the eighth now,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're on the last.

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<v Speaker 2>Night, Yeah, nearly twenty twenty seven. Super League three sixty,

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<v Speaker 2>by the name, as the name suggests, by its very title,

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<v Speaker 2>is a cast primarily about British Rugby League and Super

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<v Speaker 2>League in general. But we do and we will include

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<v Speaker 2>some NRL when that gets going in particular, and we

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<v Speaker 2>do end up in all sorts of directions. John, you're

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<v Speaker 2>an inscrepted scribe. Is that word? Intrepid? Scribe?

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<v Speaker 1>Intrepid?

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<v Speaker 2>You need to wake up, don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I am at times.

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<v Speaker 2>You're popping up everywhere at the minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I'm like a bad smell.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's right. Tell us some of the titles that

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<v Speaker 2>you pontificating the written word on.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, the Ipaper, the Guardian, League Express, Rugby League Hub

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com, Long Raids and sometimes another podcasts such as

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<v Speaker 1>The Fort.

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<v Speaker 2>You sound really enthusiastic about it too.

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<v Speaker 1>I just tell you a little nap.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah this. This podcast has also been aired

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<v Speaker 2>for the next couple of episodes on the Ashy Rugby

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<v Speaker 2>League and the Rugby League Coach podcast platforms, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as the Rugby League Coach YouTube one, so if you

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<v Speaker 2>subscribe to those you won't miss a thing. What's that

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<v Speaker 2>you're drinking? John Cafee, we're both on the I want

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<v Speaker 2>to know when I'm not doing the morning shift and

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<v Speaker 2>you are. I've been doing this for quite a while

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<v Speaker 2>now and it took me eight months ago. Johnny. Can

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<v Speaker 2>we please swamp if you want you to associate your

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<v Speaker 2>business name with this or the Rugby League Coach Podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>please reach out. I consume drinks constantly. That's why I

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<v Speaker 2>asked you about your drink. I think it's my version

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<v Speaker 2>of smoking drinking water on the Rugby League Coach podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>john My water usage has been sponsored by the Global

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<v Speaker 2>League Network, which is basically a place where coaches and

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<v Speaker 2>players can meet. And I should finish that sentence because

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<v Speaker 2>coaches and players could meet to do all sorts of things,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're actually there to hopefully line up with clubs

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<v Speaker 2>and opportunities. And we have lots of segments, don't we

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<v Speaker 2>on this podcast too, which people can sponsor. Bear in

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<v Speaker 2>mind it took me two years to get a water sponsor.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's not hold our breath. I'm an Englishman originally who's

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<v Speaker 2>lived in Australia a long time and coach some NRL

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<v Speaker 2>clubs and things. And you can get me at Rugby

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<v Speaker 2>League Coach dot com dot tey you admin at Rugby

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<v Speaker 2>League Coach dot com. To tear you is my email

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<v Speaker 2>at Rugby League Coach on Socials, Johnny.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a journalist. I'm a strangeruralist who's been living in

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<v Speaker 1>the UK for the last thirteen years writing about rugby

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<v Speaker 1>league for no longer.

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<v Speaker 2>Me and get you though part of you in the eye.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Johnny d Davidson and on book at John Davidson

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<v Speaker 1>Journalists right.

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<v Speaker 2>Were both We're both a bit sleepy. You're sleepy at

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<v Speaker 2>eight thirty at night, I'm sleepy at six thirty in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning. So let's let's liven this up now with

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<v Speaker 2>fuller caffeine. Salford have dropped out of Super League. Their

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<v Speaker 2>old club has been disbanded, a new club has been

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<v Speaker 2>formed and they've got a CEO and looking at the reports,

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<v Speaker 2>they could have anything between four and eight players. So

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<v Speaker 2>they're playing about a week and a half. So is

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<v Speaker 2>it fair to say that the new coach, Mike Grady,

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<v Speaker 2>the CEO round brilliant and the players that's the team

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<v Speaker 2>so far and they just need to find a few more.

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<v Speaker 1>I think. I think they've got more than they've announced

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that definitely will have seventeen for that

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<v Speaker 1>first game. What is basically, I think in eight days.

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<v Speaker 2>From the recording of this podcast. Yeah, so Arsenal playing Liverpool.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're wondering what day is it, it's the ninth

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<v Speaker 2>of January and Australia won't be that yet in England,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's the eighth of January and they start this

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<v Speaker 1>season on Friday at home on the sixteenth against Oldham.

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<v Speaker 1>So I suppose to Ryan really about a week or

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<v Speaker 1>so ago. And obviously he's a player well known to

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<v Speaker 1>solf Affairs because he was playing for them last year.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's obviously hung up his boots to be the CEO,

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<v Speaker 1>which is an interesting choice for him. And I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some people criticize him because obviously I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's thirty three, never been a CEO before. But I've

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<v Speaker 1>known Ryan Ryan for a while and I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>quite a quite a smart guy, quite articulate, understands sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the game and has worked as a football as

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<v Speaker 1>an agent women's football. So he's also done two degrees

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<v Speaker 1>in sports management and directorship, I believe. So, yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to put together a squad. They've hired Mike Graid

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<v Speaker 1>year's coach, who was the women's coach at Sulfurs, coached

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<v Speaker 1>North Wales and South Wales and be assistant a witness

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<v Speaker 1>and Rotchdown and a few other clubs, so it's a

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<v Speaker 1>big ask. I think. Look, I think I'll get pumped

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<v Speaker 1>by Oldham. We've also just tired a new first team coach.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll go to that soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Came down yeah in the first in their first game.

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<v Speaker 1>But look, I think, you know, Sulfur fans. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>I hope have a bit of a realization of how

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<v Speaker 1>the season is going to be. It's gonna be very

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<v Speaker 1>hard season for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me let me unpack some of that. As a

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<v Speaker 2>born and bred soulf Audian. First of all, I'm full

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<v Speaker 2>of admiration for the new ownership group and the new

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<v Speaker 2>CEO and the coach keeping the club going.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's I want to put that on record. That said,

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<v Speaker 2>I was concerned about the appointment of Ryan Braley or

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<v Speaker 2>indeed any thirty three year old who just to finish

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<v Speaker 2>playing and just started in the sea or roll straight away.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm pretty sure if they did a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a detailed search they could have found somebody with

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<v Speaker 2>some experience of managing a business that's just starting out,

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<v Speaker 2>which essentially is what it is now. I know it's

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<v Speaker 2>in rugby league, and I know that that rugby league

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<v Speaker 2>has its own ecosystem if you like. But it was

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<v Speaker 2>just another example of jobs for the boys, a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit for me, and I'm and I'm not critical of

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Brilliant anyway. I actually wrote about him in my

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<v Speaker 2>book Rugby League Coach thirteen Game Changing conversations to transform

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<v Speaker 2>your coaching. Did you notice how I did that there?

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<v Speaker 1>Job?

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it was good. But so I've always been

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<v Speaker 2>had a passing respect for him because of his Super

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<v Speaker 2>League and Championship endeavors, and he's been a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>unlucky with some of the clubs. He's turned up hat

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<v Speaker 2>and and everything else and that and that, and that

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<v Speaker 2>speaks volumes to me that he doesn't you know, he's

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<v Speaker 2>not going after the quid all the time him. He's

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<v Speaker 2>he's digging in and helping the game. So I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>criticizing him. I just think that it's an example of

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<v Speaker 2>jobs for the boys a little bit. Also, fans have

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<v Speaker 2>to remember as well the CEO of a club like

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<v Speaker 2>Salford right now, I mean, how many staff will he

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<v Speaker 2>have on the beef him.

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<v Speaker 1>Hanpeful? Yeah, you know, And the realization is that the

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<v Speaker 1>budget that Salford will be on and they'll be one

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<v Speaker 1>of the smaller clubs in the well it's the second tier,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's effectively the second and the third tier because

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<v Speaker 1>they've merged together. So it's a very small budget. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Speci title might have been general manager or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean they'll have a handful of employees, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a full time employees. That's just the reality of

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<v Speaker 1>second tier rugby league in the UK. Then there's no

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<v Speaker 1>illusions about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's going to be a tough year for them,

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<v Speaker 2>and I guess I guess the other question that we'll

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<v Speaker 2>ask here is why they're still playing at the ground

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<v Speaker 2>because I believe the budget for the ground is quite

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<v Speaker 2>significant and I can't assume that they're they're very cash rich,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean I think Salford fans would follow them

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<v Speaker 2>if they played at Folly Lane or a Salford Roosters

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<v Speaker 2>which used to be echoed honestly, quite frankly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's an interesting one. I think, Look, they they

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<v Speaker 1>want I think the issue with the stadium, it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>the best stadium in the championship now and look it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great stadium. You've got corporate, you've got all that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think they're paying their rent and obviously they've

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<v Speaker 1>got officers there as the business. But the rent for

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<v Speaker 1>matchdays is something like one hundred and seventy grands for

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<v Speaker 1>the year, so that is crazy, like that is really high.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether they went to more Lane, which I believe is

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<v Speaker 1>Sulford City. It's a very small ground. I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>like housing around it, so it's not probably the best

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<v Speaker 1>or most professional. But yeah, I mean that's a fair point.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they've obviously looked into and thought, look, we

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<v Speaker 1>can afford that, we need to be there. The council

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<v Speaker 1>sort of always public it comes out and says that

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<v Speaker 1>they want to support the club and the sport. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the stadium is a bit of a millstone

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<v Speaker 1>around the club's neck, without a doubt. It was for

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<v Speaker 1>the previous running administration of the club in Super League

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<v Speaker 1>after I left the Willows and it is a big

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<v Speaker 1>millstone around their neck. Now that's you know, there's no doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>I can see the men do not like of Swinton

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<v Speaker 2>where they play. They're still called Swinton what they play

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<v Speaker 2>in Bury kind of finger So I'll do something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Long budget of Swinton. You know, they're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be Bradford in the Championship or Toloose or London. You

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<v Speaker 1>know we can we'll probably talk about London later, but

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<v Speaker 1>London have signed a load of NR old players and

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<v Speaker 1>P and G internationals and they're owned by Baron Lockyer

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, they're coached by a former South Sydney

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<v Speaker 1>head coach. They're not on anywhere near that kind of budget,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's got to be that realization. But if you're along,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Sulford, what we're around one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>odd years and if you're a Sulford fine, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the club goes bast and you've got something to support,

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<v Speaker 1>then that's surely got to be better than nothing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we will.

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<v Speaker 2>We will stay on the Championship while we're there, and

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<v Speaker 2>even though this is called Super League three sixty, we

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<v Speaker 2>will get to the super League soon. Because a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit different to Australian fans, English rugble league fans tend

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<v Speaker 2>to take an interest in all levels of the game,

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<v Speaker 2>don't they that that tends to be the reality in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of the Championship. What else has happened this week?

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<v Speaker 2>Oldham played Keighley in some kind of joint training session

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<v Speaker 2>a poll session last week and stole their coach and

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<v Speaker 2>brought them to Oldham. Brought him to Oldham.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I imagine that's still in from that session. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Long, who's who's a name of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>days he left. I think it was September. It was

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<v Speaker 1>towards the end of last year. Anyway, left Oldham and

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<v Speaker 1>Harlequins and they haven't had a head coach since then.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got Mike Ford who's their director of rugby. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they've just announced Alan Kilshaw while I broke the news

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<v Speaker 1>He's left Keith Lee to join Oldham and Oldham as

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<v Speaker 1>of I'm trying to think when the new owners came

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<v Speaker 1>in probably eighteen months to two years or so ago,

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<v Speaker 1>quite well resourced. They've got, you know, big ambitions, big budget.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got a load of ex Super League x NROL

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<v Speaker 1>players in their range. You know, Jack Walker's just Simon.

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<v Speaker 1>junior youngst others. So yeah, I think that'll be one

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<v Speaker 1>of the clubs to beat in the Championship. I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>pushing for the for the title this year.

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<v Speaker 2>All them a coach Josh rinkwater Manly for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>he's had a few clubs now and he left Oki

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<v Speaker 2>to Wonder and that ended up creating an opportunity for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, if you're like a pseudo, well, I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>coach consultant for the place right because we put in

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<v Speaker 2>a young coach that that that needed some support. And

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<v Speaker 2>I know Alan, so I'm going to defend him as

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<v Speaker 2>well as as acknowledge what other people might say. So

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<v Speaker 2>obviously the forum started to blow up. He's moved again

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<v Speaker 2>and he had an issue, didn't he when he was

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<v Speaker 2>in England when he worked at Swinton. I've heard Alan's

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<v Speaker 2>story about that, and I believe it was it was

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<v Speaker 2>sent in a different direction, and you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, around the noose, around the noose.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, all I'll say to Alan, who if you

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<v Speaker 2>like as a friend, this has to be his last

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<v Speaker 2>move for a while. He can't keep he can't keep

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<v Speaker 2>doing this. I mean, I know, I know he will

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<v Speaker 2>have his reasons and I know that this is rugby

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<v Speaker 2>league to an extent, but you know, soon soon there's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be no clubs left for him to hop

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<v Speaker 2>around kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's look, I think if you look at if

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<v Speaker 1>you look at Keithy, to hold them while they are

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<v Speaker 1>in the both as soundition, the two clubs of different

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<v Speaker 1>size and all them obviously a much more attractive proposition

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<v Speaker 1>as a club. But yeah, I think if you're any

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<v Speaker 1>in certain positions.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, I mean, regardless of the reality, people talk and

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<v Speaker 2>people make their own assumptions, right, So there's people who

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<v Speaker 2>made their own assumptions about the new thing, which was

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<v Speaker 2>helped by some questionable stories coming out, made their own

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<v Speaker 2>assumptions about Okayiman's put Okey into context into oneber their

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<v Speaker 2>budget for players, and the budget in the competition for

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<v Speaker 2>players will be more than an awful lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>championship clubs, like this is the caliber of the competition

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<v Speaker 2>and so and the rugby league world is a small

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<v Speaker 2>world too, So I hope I'm coming across here with

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<v Speaker 2>Alan about Allen in terms of actually caring for his outcomes.

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<v Speaker 2>So like, I don't I'm not criticizing the guy, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's got to be careful and I know, it's closer

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<v Speaker 2>to home for him and everything else. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if he leaves Oldham sometime in the next year, he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be hard for clubs to employee because because

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<v Speaker 2>he moves around some much and I'm something who's moved around.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh, you know, yeah, I can't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think. I think just on the on the news thing,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, my understanding was it was not actually him

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<v Speaker 1>who who created that. And then another another take on

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<v Speaker 1>that is there was a massive for out about that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was quite controversial, wasn't it. But you know, coat

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<v Speaker 1>teams target players who are injured all the time. It's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of it's the brutality of the game. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's been a lot of worse things done in the sport.

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<v Speaker 1>But obviously he's had a favor of success in his career.

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<v Speaker 1>Got Rochesdale promoted in the Championship over to Loose who

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<v Speaker 1>were you had a much bigger bad budget, did well

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<v Speaker 1>in Hanslet, so you know, it did well at Serena

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<v Speaker 1>Crocodile's back in Maquie, so he could be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be great appointment for for Oldham.

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<v Speaker 2>And they'll be working under Mike Ford. I mean it

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<v Speaker 2>seems to me that Mike Ford has a title of

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<v Speaker 2>director of Rugby and that, but he is genuinely directing

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<v Speaker 2>the rugby and I assume because of Allan's title, Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Ford will be the one that signs off the team sheets,

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<v Speaker 2>planned some of the training if you like, or the

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<v Speaker 2>direction the training goes in at least. And it's an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting model. And I do also think that could be

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<v Speaker 2>part of the reason why it took them so long

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<v Speaker 2>to get a coach, because so many coaches wouldn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to work in that realm. They'd want the full control.

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<v Speaker 2>So very interesting on the championship still, I mean, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a really interesting thing, and I know you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk a bit about it in the Job in

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny's Job later, But the Championship has basically amalgamated two divisions,

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<v Speaker 2>so it starts in a week's time from the launch

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<v Speaker 2>of this podcast, so the middle of January probably ends

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty nine. This season because they have to play,

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<v Speaker 2>there's going to be a big difference, isn't there between

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<v Speaker 2>the top teams and the bottom teams who are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the top teams in that championship.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it's a really it's a really different

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<v Speaker 1>because of the Championship and the league. W have merged

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<v Speaker 1>and we've had Bradford to loose and York go up,

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<v Speaker 1>who were the three biggest teams in the Championship there

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<v Speaker 1>Now in Super League it's a really wide open division.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got the teams that I think will be

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<v Speaker 1>at the top. There will be Oldham, there will be London.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you've got you know, Halifax Witness. There's probably a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of others who could compete Sheffield. Excuse me badly,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, the really interesting one, I guess the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>one left there is London. They had that takeover by

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<v Speaker 1>Darren Lockyer and Grant Weischel to Queenslanders. I mean obviously

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<v Speaker 1>Darren needs no introduction, but they took over the end

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<v Speaker 1>of last year. They signed Jason Dimitri as the coach

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<v Speaker 1>and went on a big signing and marketing blitz. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to get in the Super League, but now

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<v Speaker 1>they're set the sights on effectively dominating the cheap.

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<v Speaker 2>How many teams are in the Championship now, I thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is a good point. There's twenty one at

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<v Speaker 1>this stage. Now Featherston are in. But Featherston went busted

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of last year and the RFL there's

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<v Speaker 1>one group bidding to take that license. The RFL has

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<v Speaker 1>still not decided or approved a transfer to this new group.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that john I've got that in Johnny's jab and

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<v Speaker 2>all your caffeines kicking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think. I think the point is, though it's

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<v Speaker 1>controversial on that. Mark Campbell, who was the owner of

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<v Speaker 1>Featherston when it went is now part of the new

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<v Speaker 1>group wanting to take on the license. So how does

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<v Speaker 1>that work? Do you know what I mean? You? You

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<v Speaker 1>you you run a club and it goes bust, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you, you know, start a new company, wipe you

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<v Speaker 1>you are, that company's liquidated and you wipe the debts

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<v Speaker 1>and then you move on and start up a new

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't we're doing We're doing great advertising for RULL League.

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<v Speaker 2>We've started with a club that went bust and is

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<v Speaker 2>now trying to now got six players. We then talked

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<v Speaker 2>about a cult who keeps jumping ship. Then we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about a club that's going buston but he's still in

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<v Speaker 2>the championship. And now I'm going to switch it to

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<v Speaker 2>Super League and something happened around tessing you in the

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<v Speaker 2>last seven days.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that was yeah, not a good one that came across.

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<v Speaker 1>I was sent to me on Saturday night.

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<v Speaker 2>You broke that, didn't you? I think I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I broke in the sense that I was

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<v Speaker 1>the first journalist or media outlet to write about it. It

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<v Speaker 1>was all over Facebook, Twitter, social media etcenta. Effectively, the

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<v Speaker 1>story is it appears as though his partner had used

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<v Speaker 1>his Instagram account to publish a series of stories which

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<v Speaker 1>were alleging physical abuse and psychological abuse from his partner,

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<v Speaker 1>alleging that he'd been unfaithful and then you know, physically

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<v Speaker 1>harmed her and that she was leaving the country and

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<v Speaker 1>returning to Australia. So that was Saturday night Sunday morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Those have been deleted from his Instagram account. He also

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<v Speaker 1>then later deleted his Facebook account and his Instagram account.

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<v Speaker 1>And I went to the club for a comment. I

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<v Speaker 1>went to the RFL for a comment. Now, usually RFL

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<v Speaker 1>is not that proactive on these things, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>interesting that on a Sunday morning, it took them forty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes to come back with a comment and the comment was,

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<v Speaker 1>we're aware of this. We won't be making any further

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<v Speaker 1>comment now. Lee didn't make a comment until yesterday. In

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<v Speaker 1>this comment, this statement that the club made has been

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<v Speaker 1>i would say, pretty heavily criticized by well basically everyone

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<v Speaker 1>on social media. And I think it's a really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>case study because obviously the NURL and you could say

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<v Speaker 1>other sports deal with these kind of things, player misbehavior,

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<v Speaker 1>domestic abuse, whatever you want to quit this thing off

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<v Speaker 1>field issues very differently. Obviously in the NROL they come

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<v Speaker 1>down very hard and they've got an integrity unit, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's very different in Super League, in the British game.

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<v Speaker 1>In my experience, most often clubs will just ignore it.

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<v Speaker 1>They will hope it goes away, there will be no investigations,

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<v Speaker 1>another sort of way that they look at as they think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's not before the courts or a police matter,

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<v Speaker 1>then we won't say anything, we won't touch it, we

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<v Speaker 1>won't do anything. So effectively. Can read out the statement

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<v Speaker 1>from Lee, but they said the club is aware of

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<v Speaker 1>social media activity of concern for one of its players,

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<v Speaker 1>accounts that of tesse Knew. Club owner Derek Beaumont said

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<v Speaker 1>the club can confirm that the players agaunt was access

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<v Speaker 1>externally and without his knowledge or consent and deleted a

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<v Speaker 1>short period thereafter. We were instantly aware of this as happen.

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<v Speaker 1>As a club, we have policies and procedures and employer

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<v Speaker 1>play wilful manager who is a qualified counselor. Our first

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<v Speaker 1>put of call in these circumstances is to ensure the

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<v Speaker 1>welfare of our player in any external party that may

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<v Speaker 1>be involved. This was immediately initiated, having since personally spoken

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<v Speaker 1>with Tezi and Kiana individually at length, and then our

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<v Speaker 1>player welfare manager and head coach, and completely satisfied they're

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<v Speaker 1>both being fully supported. I can also confirm there's no

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<v Speaker 1>official complaint to the club, We're going to player, nor

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<v Speaker 1>to any relevant authorities to that in. The club will

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<v Speaker 1>make no further statements about the matter and would welcome

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<v Speaker 1>supporters trust in the club's processes and findings.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would summarize that as nothing to see here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean you could read between the lines there.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's interesting the way they've dealt with this

420
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<v Speaker 1>and that they waited what four or five days to

421
00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:54.519
<v Speaker 1>come out with it. They've sort of pointed out there's

422
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<v Speaker 1>no official complaint to the club, nor to any irregarding

423
00:23:58.480 --> 00:24:01.519
<v Speaker 1>testing or any player relevant authorities. That doesn't mean they

424
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<v Speaker 1>can't or shouldn't act. They don't mention an investigation, they

425
00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:12.279
<v Speaker 1>don't mention any potential suspensional discipline against the player. I

426
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<v Speaker 1>think it's just generally not a good look. And I

427
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<v Speaker 1>think the comment about we would welcome supporters trust in

428
00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:23.480
<v Speaker 1>the club's processes and findings. What do you make of

429
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<v Speaker 1>that lead what's your take on that?

430
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<v Speaker 2>It says to me that they understand that what the

431
00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:34.799
<v Speaker 2>statement that they're putting out could create more questions. So

432
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<v Speaker 2>in other words, leave us to it, please trust us.

433
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<v Speaker 2>And the reason it will create more questions is because

434
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<v Speaker 2>there's some doubt as to what's gone on. Still, it's not,

435
00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:51.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're we've still not had had an explanation

436
00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:52.880
<v Speaker 2>as what has gone on.

437
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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, we don't know the facts of circumstances.

438
00:24:57.599 --> 00:24:59.480
<v Speaker 1>All we know is that there's been an allegation of.

439
00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:03.279
<v Speaker 2>Made and innocent, toil, proven guilty and all that kind

440
00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:08.119
<v Speaker 2>of thing. They did infer that his social media account

441
00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:08.960
<v Speaker 2>was hacked.

442
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I would have you know, it appears to be

443
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<v Speaker 1>by his.

444
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<v Speaker 2>Partner, So why not just why not just you know.

445
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<v Speaker 1>I think I think the interesting thing is though that

446
00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the club says just trust us, will we'll deal with it.

447
00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:27.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, in your experience Lee, in professional sports, particularly

448
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<v Speaker 1>in rugby league, would you say it would be right

449
00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:34.519
<v Speaker 1>to trust clubs to deal with these things.

450
00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Not when one of the players is quite talent.

451
00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:41.720
<v Speaker 1>No, I mean that's almost laughable in the sense. But

452
00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:46.240
<v Speaker 1>you look at the the Ben Barber situation at Canterbury Bulldogs.

453
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<v Speaker 1>You look at I use it, you can, I can

454
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:49.519
<v Speaker 1>use a Lee and isn't this is not a go

455
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<v Speaker 1>at Lee but well.

456
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<v Speaker 2>Lee, Lee Leopards, not Lee Abbison, but.

457
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Lee Leopards. Two years ago Zach Hardeker got downe

458
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<v Speaker 1>for drink driving the second time he went to court, etc.

459
00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:04.960
<v Speaker 1>This was a week before the season over Againt Hasfield.

460
00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:07.839
<v Speaker 1>He played in that game. Now, Blee never said if

461
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.480
<v Speaker 1>there was any discipline or you know they pay, you know,

462
00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:15.920
<v Speaker 1>they stuck to pay whatever. Now, obviously drink driving is

463
00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:19.160
<v Speaker 1>different to allegations of domestic violence, and I'm not saying

464
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:21.559
<v Speaker 1>there should be a black and white way you deal

465
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:25.519
<v Speaker 1>with all these things. But you can't just rely on

466
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:27.759
<v Speaker 1>clubs just to go and we'll deal with this properly.

467
00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Because more often than not in my experienced clubs.

468
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<v Speaker 2>I think the Rugby Football League, the Rugby Football League

469
00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:35.880
<v Speaker 2>need a system. If they want the image of the

470
00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:38.799
<v Speaker 2>game to be squeaky clean, then the Rugby Football League

471
00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:41.880
<v Speaker 2>need more power or more balls to try and deal

472
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<v Speaker 2>with this situation. Because I'll tell you, I'll tell you why.

473
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<v Speaker 2>Number One, you're innocent will proven guilty. Okay, that's a

474
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:57.839
<v Speaker 2>fundamental tenet of our society. Supposedly, but quite often rugby

475
00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:00.480
<v Speaker 2>league players and sports stars in general or can be

476
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:06.920
<v Speaker 2>guilty before they're innocent because of the news leaking out. Okay.

477
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:10.680
<v Speaker 2>So the reality is testing new will get a different

478
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:15.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of hearing to anybody who's not in the sporting

479
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:18.799
<v Speaker 2>realm because he's testing you will it will be aired

480
00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.200
<v Speaker 2>publicly in a way that Joe blogs down the street

481
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:28.160
<v Speaker 2>won't have. Okay. And secondly, there is a culture in

482
00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:30.319
<v Speaker 2>this world at the moment, and I'm not suggesting this

483
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:32.519
<v Speaker 2>has happened in any way, shape or form, but I

484
00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:34.880
<v Speaker 2>do know this has happened to players in the past,

485
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:40.759
<v Speaker 2>and I know it's happened to people with different profiles

486
00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:44.240
<v Speaker 2>that are reasonably high. There are people who extort people.

487
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:49.799
<v Speaker 2>There are people who create scenarios, yes, to get some

488
00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:54.319
<v Speaker 2>financial gains. So testing you is innocent until proven guilty.

489
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.680
<v Speaker 2>And the other thing I don't agree with John is

490
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:00.799
<v Speaker 2>double jeopardy. Okay, So it's not job. It's not Rugby

491
00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:04.599
<v Speaker 2>League's job necessarily before we look at how it looks

492
00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:07.519
<v Speaker 2>and the sniff test, right, it's not necessarily Rugby League's

493
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:12.720
<v Speaker 2>job to or Lease Centurion's job to act as a

494
00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:18.240
<v Speaker 2>court of law, or or to clean the streets up. Okay. Now,

495
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:22.559
<v Speaker 2>every organization, in my eyes, has a right to decide

496
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:25.039
<v Speaker 2>the type of people they employ. I mean, there's there's

497
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:30.759
<v Speaker 2>there's there's organizations out there that only employ pass criminals

498
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:35.000
<v Speaker 2>to help rehabilitate them and whatnot. Right, So every organization

499
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:39.680
<v Speaker 2>has a right to keep on their books who they want. Okay.

500
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:44.359
<v Speaker 2>So Lease Centurions have obviously decided at this juncture testing

501
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:47.799
<v Speaker 2>you can keep training with us and playing with us. Now,

502
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:53.759
<v Speaker 2>the positive of that is that is that testing you

503
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:58.759
<v Speaker 2>could be innocent and so therefore is not being is

504
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:03.799
<v Speaker 2>not being punished before that fact. The negative if you like,

505
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:08.920
<v Speaker 2>or the sniff test if you like, or the failure

506
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:10.759
<v Speaker 2>of the sniff test, is the fact that there is

507
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:14.039
<v Speaker 2>something that's happened. There is something that's happened, whether it's

508
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:18.440
<v Speaker 2>been created or has happened, and he's still there. And

509
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:20.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that's the I think that's the governing body's

510
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.799
<v Speaker 2>job to look at. Because in the NRL, what would

511
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:28.160
<v Speaker 2>happen is there's a no fault stand down policy. Okay, now,

512
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:32.759
<v Speaker 2>the it's not great, the no fault stand down policy,

513
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:35.319
<v Speaker 2>particularly when the media get hold of it. So I

514
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:37.839
<v Speaker 2>used somebody like Jack de Bellan, who actually got found

515
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:40.799
<v Speaker 2>in a court of law to have not done what

516
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:45.759
<v Speaker 2>he was accused of. So for two years he lost

517
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:51.079
<v Speaker 2>his he lost his right to practice his his his

518
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:55.000
<v Speaker 2>work is his profession at the level he needed to. Now,

519
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:57.680
<v Speaker 2>whatever the wires and wherefore was of that case. So

520
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm not talking about that. And as we know, the

521
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:04.839
<v Speaker 2>legal system is a complicated thing. But essentially the truth

522
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:07.119
<v Speaker 2>is somebody has stood down and was found not guilty,

523
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:09.599
<v Speaker 2>and that's the that's the false thing on the other side.

524
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:16.000
<v Speaker 2>So lookles and should lee leopards and their moral compass

525
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:19.799
<v Speaker 2>is one thing, okay, but the RFLS is a mother

526
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:23.599
<v Speaker 2>and the RFL and any governing body should act like

527
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.799
<v Speaker 2>basically their ship shouldn't stink. They should be untouchable in

528
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:30.400
<v Speaker 2>many ways.

529
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:31.480
<v Speaker 1>You know.

530
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.599
<v Speaker 2>They they provide referees that stand in judgment on a game.

531
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:37.880
<v Speaker 2>They they they protect the laws of the game, the

532
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:41.680
<v Speaker 2>referees each game. So the RFL has to protect the

533
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:45.960
<v Speaker 2>integrity of the game in England too. So I don't

534
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:48.839
<v Speaker 2>know what what involvement have the RFL had on this?

535
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:53.799
<v Speaker 2>Have they had any involvement? I mean if they did

536
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:58.039
<v Speaker 2>have involvement, what would they do? What powers have they got?

537
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're not said, they're not they're not saying essentially okay,

538
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.640
<v Speaker 1>So it seems to be history will say that they

539
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:11.000
<v Speaker 1>generally do nothing or they don't get involved, which.

540
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:14.880
<v Speaker 2>And an another thing, right testing you and so many

541
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>other players that are knocking around they're from Southeast Queensland.

542
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:21.880
<v Speaker 2>And I worked at two big rugby league schools in

543
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Southeast Queensland and at one point we tried to get

544
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Testing new and spoke with his parents and everything else.

545
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:30.720
<v Speaker 2>So there's a human being in there, right, And and

546
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:33.559
<v Speaker 2>what what happens in schools and what we tend to

547
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.319
<v Speaker 2>do and part of the lessons that we give children,

548
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:42.480
<v Speaker 2>if you like pupil students, is you do make errors,

549
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:46.319
<v Speaker 2>but you are toned for them. And one thing that

550
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:49.559
<v Speaker 2>happens in a school system is you know, you might

551
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.000
<v Speaker 2>get suspended for three days or you might get suspended

552
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:55.640
<v Speaker 2>for five days, but you actually always end up coming back. Now,

553
00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:03.319
<v Speaker 2>what I'm trying to say here is that a school

554
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:08.839
<v Speaker 2>has a moral compass as a rule, right, but it

555
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:11.359
<v Speaker 2>takes an awful lot for the school to say that's enough,

556
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:14.759
<v Speaker 2>you're not coming back. In rugby league, we tend to

557
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:18.720
<v Speaker 2>go from one extreme to the other. We tend to oh,

558
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:23.200
<v Speaker 2>he's done something wrong, sacking forever not. You know, at

559
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:28.039
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, Lee Centurions Lee Leopards might

560
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.200
<v Speaker 2>be a club that's a bit like a school that

561
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:34.960
<v Speaker 2>has a different approach to discipline issues compared to a

562
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:43.400
<v Speaker 2>really strict school. Now, at the end of the day,

563
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:49.039
<v Speaker 2>you've brought up two examples of Lee Leopards keeping players

564
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:51.440
<v Speaker 2>in where there's a little bit of a smell i e.

565
00:32:51.599 --> 00:33:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Drink driving and potentially domestic violence. The reality is they're

566
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:05.480
<v Speaker 2>a club that doesn't that that isn't doing double jeopardy

567
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:09.759
<v Speaker 2>basically that if the law of the land allowed Zach

568
00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Hardacre to be on the street and operate, then why

569
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:14.400
<v Speaker 2>should he be punished again.

570
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I totally get your argument, and you know,

571
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:21.279
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of that I agree with. I think

572
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:27.279
<v Speaker 1>if you're a professional sports sportsman, if you're on a pedestal,

573
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>you're on TV, you're being paid, you know it's not

574
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:37.720
<v Speaker 1>it's not unfeasible to expect a higher level of behavior

575
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.119
<v Speaker 1>or a fact that if you're a role model, that

576
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:43.440
<v Speaker 1>you're held to a certain standard. Now, in saying that,

577
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:46.160
<v Speaker 1>I think the key point is their allegations. We don't

578
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:48.720
<v Speaker 1>know if he's guilty of them or not, and you

579
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:52.079
<v Speaker 1>are right and until proven guilty, but I think this

580
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:54.480
<v Speaker 1>is something that needs to be looked into. There needs

581
00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:57.440
<v Speaker 1>to be an investigation, and having dealt with the NRL

582
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:02.559
<v Speaker 1>Integrity Unit last year, my experiences, they do a very

583
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:07.359
<v Speaker 1>good job investigating these things and looking into them properly

584
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:10.199
<v Speaker 1>and then coming up with either a punishment or a

585
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:11.400
<v Speaker 1>finding and whatever it is.

586
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Do you think Tess would have been stood down in

587
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:17.920
<v Speaker 2>the NRL based on what you've what's come across your desk.

588
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:21.920
<v Speaker 1>I think well, I think it's probably likely would have

589
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:24.400
<v Speaker 1>been stood down. I think there would have been a

590
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:28.760
<v Speaker 1>lot more pressure on Lee and the RFL by the

591
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>media if it was in the L and I think

592
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:35.639
<v Speaker 1>there's definitely there's definitely a massive difference in the NRL

593
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:38.519
<v Speaker 1>compared to superlue in that in the NRL there was

594
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:41.639
<v Speaker 1>a realization that you may lose sponsors and fans and

595
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:44.440
<v Speaker 1>hurt the image of the game by not acting when

596
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:47.960
<v Speaker 1>these things happened. While in Super League the Championship whatever,

597
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:53.559
<v Speaker 1>and there's countless examples from white Haven and other clubs,

598
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.800
<v Speaker 1>and you could go on and on Albert Kelly when

599
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:58.440
<v Speaker 1>it was at Hull of c that they just kind

600
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:01.679
<v Speaker 1>of bury their heads in the sand. My point is

601
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:05.519
<v Speaker 1>that you know, there's obviously Lee Leopards, their brand and

602
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.000
<v Speaker 1>what they want to do. Obviously that's their decision. But

603
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:12.199
<v Speaker 1>the RFL runs Super League and they should have you know,

604
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:15.760
<v Speaker 1>they should effectively go we we're the governing body, we

605
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:18.159
<v Speaker 1>need to look into it, into this and decide whether

606
00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:21.760
<v Speaker 1>there should be a sanction or not. But they won't

607
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:22.239
<v Speaker 1>do that.

608
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:25.440
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's it. I mean, I mean, I

609
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:28.800
<v Speaker 2>guess to summarize my take on this, people can decide

610
00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:33.000
<v Speaker 2>whether they want to support Lee Leopards playfully Leopards work

611
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:38.119
<v Speaker 2>at Lee Leopards, sponsorly Leopards based on this and and

612
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:40.960
<v Speaker 2>other things. But you know your your club is your

613
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:43.880
<v Speaker 2>should show your value, shouldn't it.

614
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, I don't want to go down a whole

615
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:53.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of rabbit hole. But what I found interesting was

616
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:59.039
<v Speaker 1>perhaps the reaction on social media compared to previous instances

617
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:01.960
<v Speaker 1>like Ben Barbara and other ones, where I think in

618
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:06.119
<v Speaker 1>general in the UK there's maybe more of an not

619
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:08.360
<v Speaker 1>an acceptance because I think that's probably unfair, but just

620
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:12.159
<v Speaker 1>a lack of understanding of the impact of this, not

621
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:15.880
<v Speaker 1>only just on the potential victims, but for the sport,

622
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:18.760
<v Speaker 1>for the competition, for the club, et cetera. And I

623
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:22.079
<v Speaker 1>think that Mason Greenwood incident at Manchester United has maybe

624
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:26.039
<v Speaker 1>open some people's eyes or change some people's opinions because

625
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:29.800
<v Speaker 1>obviously he didn't go to jail Diddy, and obviously people

626
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:31.920
<v Speaker 1>can look up that if they don't know about it.

627
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:36.199
<v Speaker 1>But there's things that potentially are quite harming or quite

628
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:40.239
<v Speaker 1>damaging that aren't necessarily result in jail time. But whether

629
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:44.239
<v Speaker 1>we should someone should be punished for them is a

630
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:45.400
<v Speaker 1>different argument, isn't it.

631
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:52.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So look, we'll move on from it because release

632
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:56.760
<v Speaker 2>seemed to be so you went to whole KR training,

633
00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:59.360
<v Speaker 2>so the English Champions and we're only a few weeks

634
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:03.119
<v Speaker 2>away from uh World Club Challenge. John, This this this

635
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:06.400
<v Speaker 2>podcast will bit weekly soon and we're going to have

636
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:08.480
<v Speaker 2>to record it earlier in the week. Aren't we really

637
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:10.559
<v Speaker 2>picked for it to not age very quickly?

638
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, we might have to record it at the

639
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:14.280
<v Speaker 1>end of each round.

640
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe on a Monday morning your time or something.

641
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:25.920
<v Speaker 1>No, we won't be doing that. I did crowding before

642
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:30.159
<v Speaker 1>New Years. I was very lucky to get an invitation

643
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:36.039
<v Speaker 1>and it was well, it was a bloody freezing uh

644
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:39.119
<v Speaker 1>and c and be so should I say? It was

645
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:43.119
<v Speaker 1>really interesting just to see whole ka in action, how

646
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:46.480
<v Speaker 1>hard they train, the variety of exercises and jewels that

647
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:50.880
<v Speaker 1>they do, the speed in which they do them. You know,

648
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:56.079
<v Speaker 1>it's very professional. Yeah, it was. It was great to

649
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:58.400
<v Speaker 1>see a lot of a lot of use of the ball,

650
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:02.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot of skill based off you know, you get

651
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:06.039
<v Speaker 1>an understanding of how they want to travel last year

652
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.400
<v Speaker 1>and you know what, they've become one of the top

653
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:09.639
<v Speaker 1>clubs in England.

654
00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:12.880
<v Speaker 2>It's funny, you know, John. When I was at Manly Seagulls,

655
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:16.000
<v Speaker 2>a team that you support, I was privy to an

656
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:18.960
<v Speaker 2>awful lot of what Des Hasler was doing in training

657
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.800
<v Speaker 2>with them during their premiership winning years and grand final years,

658
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:25.599
<v Speaker 2>and it always felt like training was a big event.

659
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:28.440
<v Speaker 2>It was intense, there was a lot of energy put

660
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.960
<v Speaker 2>into it. The staff were prepared for it. They took

661
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:33.679
<v Speaker 2>a while to set it up, they took a while

662
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:37.800
<v Speaker 2>to pack it away. Everything they did was scrutinized, it

663
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:41.760
<v Speaker 2>was it moved quickly. It felt like training was a

664
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:44.800
<v Speaker 2>genuine event. Around the same time, I also did some

665
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:46.639
<v Speaker 2>work for the new South Wales Rugby League and I

666
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:49.599
<v Speaker 2>had to take some talented juniors for camps and stuff,

667
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:51.199
<v Speaker 2>and we actually went to a few other and R

668
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:54.039
<v Speaker 2>clubs at the time. I remember we went to South

669
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:57.840
<v Speaker 2>I remember we went to Paramatta and I remember vividly

670
00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:02.000
<v Speaker 2>thinking at the time that the difference in intensity and

671
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:04.719
<v Speaker 2>energy levels from what I've seen at Manly compared to

672
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Paramatta themselves. I thought at the time, I thought Manly

673
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:11.559
<v Speaker 2>going to go close in this premiership this year based

674
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:15.719
<v Speaker 2>on just based on that, okay, just based on that energy.

675
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:19.119
<v Speaker 2>And people talk if you go to Storm training, they

676
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:23.360
<v Speaker 2>talk about the intensity of their training for example, and

677
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure some of the top clubs that are regularly

678
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:29.239
<v Speaker 2>at the top that can be that that can be

679
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.320
<v Speaker 2>attributed to them too, So no really good insight. And

680
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:35.199
<v Speaker 2>if you'd have gone training at Salford or Featherstone you

681
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:39.719
<v Speaker 2>might have got a game. You might play fullback for Warrington.

682
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:41.519
<v Speaker 2>Because Dufty is leaving.

683
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.159
<v Speaker 1>He is, yeah, I mean it's not a big surprise.

684
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:50.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, there was some disciplinary issues turning out later

685
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:55.880
<v Speaker 1>training and whatnot last year and he got dropped. It's

686
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:58.280
<v Speaker 1>interesting that I think he had a quite close relationship

687
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:01.119
<v Speaker 1>with Sam Burgess. But obviously, as we all know, Warrington

688
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:04.800
<v Speaker 1>season went down the toilet last year and they've been

689
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.079
<v Speaker 1>looking to offload him for some time. I think there

690
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:12.039
<v Speaker 1>was there was originally rumors about York then Weirdness, even

691
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:16.679
<v Speaker 1>potentially London, but he has gone back to Australia without

692
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:23.239
<v Speaker 1>a club, so yeah, I think for Warrenton, he's obviously

693
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:25.159
<v Speaker 1>been one of their key and best players for a

694
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:31.920
<v Speaker 1>couple of years now, so a loss a blow. You know,

695
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:35.360
<v Speaker 1>we're interesting whether they look to recruit someone to replace,

696
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:39.159
<v Speaker 1>and they've got Kay Taylor Ray, who's a Kai Taylor Ray,

697
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:42.719
<v Speaker 1>I should say, who's a young fallback, really quick feet,

698
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:45.440
<v Speaker 1>exciting young player, so he obviously he's got the number

699
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:48.320
<v Speaker 1>one shirt, so it's good to see. I guess Warrington

700
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:51.320
<v Speaker 1>giving an opportunity a young kid. But yeah, I think

701
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:54.960
<v Speaker 1>the dufty thing. It's a bit of a Martin line

702
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:56.840
<v Speaker 1>in the sand, I think for Sam Burgess because my

703
00:40:56.960 --> 00:41:00.480
<v Speaker 1>understanding is last year Burgess was very close the players.

704
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.599
<v Speaker 1>You know, he's obviously very young coach, isn't He didn't

705
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:06.320
<v Speaker 1>retire that long ago. I think he's only thirty five

706
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:10.719
<v Speaker 1>or so. He was very close to the players. And

707
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:14.239
<v Speaker 1>then last year, obviously things unraveled and a few of

708
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:17.039
<v Speaker 1>the players, shall we say, mucked up, and then I

709
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:19.320
<v Speaker 1>think he tried to come down hard on them and

710
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.599
<v Speaker 1>that didn't really work because you can't switch between being

711
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:26.440
<v Speaker 1>the player's best mate and then you know the roof

712
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.800
<v Speaker 1>and kind of you know, you know this much better

713
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:30.199
<v Speaker 1>than me managing a group.

714
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:33.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, after they got flogged by Wigan in Las Vegas,

715
00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:36.400
<v Speaker 2>he was video dancing on table somewhere in Las Vegas, So.

716
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that's another that's another perhaps not a

717
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:43.599
<v Speaker 1>great look. So he tried to rell that in mid

718
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:46.880
<v Speaker 1>season and it hasn't worked. Now he was close to

719
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:51.280
<v Speaker 1>being sacked Burgess, but he's escaped the knife for now.

720
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:55.159
<v Speaker 1>But I'll tell you what if Warringtons start the season poorer,

721
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:57.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, if they lose four or five games you

722
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:00.280
<v Speaker 1>know early on, you know, won't be a surprise Sam

723
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:00.760
<v Speaker 1>gets back.

724
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:05.199
<v Speaker 2>So sounds similar to the England cricket team John players

725
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:10.039
<v Speaker 2>getting pissed and.

726
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.800
<v Speaker 1>The difference for the England cricket team. I think the

727
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Warrington and as arrogant as the England cricket team. What

728
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:17.400
<v Speaker 1>did they say was the worst Australian team for fifteen

729
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:18.119
<v Speaker 1>years or something?

730
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Well it statistically is.

731
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:25.119
<v Speaker 1>Well statistically they just won the Ashes for one so yeah, statistically,

732
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:27.159
<v Speaker 1>statistic clear up your class. Yah.

733
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well you've offered one statistic and I've offered them other.

734
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:33.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I want to win an Ashes by by

735
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:36.559
<v Speaker 2>fiddling with snickel, then you you can be happy with

736
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.519
<v Speaker 2>those those those wins. That's fine anyway.

737
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:42.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I think what Warrington, it's an interesting

738
00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:46.760
<v Speaker 1>place at the moment. Yeah, there's definitely pressure on them

739
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:50.239
<v Speaker 1>to to start the season. Well they've not gone all

740
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.119
<v Speaker 1>out with the recruitment. They are trying to use their

741
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:57.159
<v Speaker 1>academy and their their local juniors. So yeah, it'll be interesting.

742
00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:00.360
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, Dufty's gone. I don't know. Can you same

743
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.000
<v Speaker 1>pre servicing in the NRL? I think the knock on

744
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:05.920
<v Speaker 1>drafty when he was at Saint George la War and

745
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:07.639
<v Speaker 1>he didn't really play much of the Bulldogs did he?

746
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:10.920
<v Speaker 1>But was that he's a great attacking player, but defensively

747
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:13.679
<v Speaker 1>not good enough in a bit Rocks and Diamonds.

748
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:15.920
<v Speaker 2>As soon as we finish this podcast, I'm ringing the

749
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Okie Bears president.

750
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:21.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he's gonna end.

751
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:24.760
<v Speaker 2>That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.

752
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Mate.

753
00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:26.599
<v Speaker 2>I didn't say I was going to ring him about

754
00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:29.639
<v Speaker 2>Matt Dufty, did I. You're a journalist, mate, you should

755
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:33.199
<v Speaker 2>have been all about the facts and RL news. Perth

756
00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Bears are finally announcing some players. Nick Meaney apparently is

757
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:41.280
<v Speaker 2>close to a long term deal. Tyron wish Ark could

758
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:43.800
<v Speaker 2>be close to putting pen to Bay Paper. They've got

759
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:48.079
<v Speaker 2>Josh Curran, which I think is a good signing Liam Henry.

760
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:50.679
<v Speaker 2>Where did Liam Henry play and win a premiership? Was that?

761
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:52.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

762
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.079
<v Speaker 2>And they've also got Tolby Sexton in twenty twenty seven,

763
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:59.480
<v Speaker 2>so they've all of a sudden put a team together,

764
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:02.119
<v Speaker 2>or get close to putting a team. Yeah. I think

765
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:04.280
<v Speaker 2>they have as many players as Salford.

766
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they've got some better players than Sulford, but they

767
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:09.519
<v Speaker 1>still I think they've still got a lot of work

768
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:12.079
<v Speaker 1>to do. I mean they really need, they really need

769
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:16.360
<v Speaker 1>a spine like Toby Sexton. He's an okay player, you know,

770
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:19.079
<v Speaker 1>he's around half pack, but he's not you know, monster

771
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:25.599
<v Speaker 1>is he He's not well. Look, I mean duftely needs

772
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:29.639
<v Speaker 1>a club now, not for at all, but yeah, they need.

773
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:32.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, they've gone all out for for quite a

774
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:34.760
<v Speaker 1>few players and missed out, so they do need. They

775
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.239
<v Speaker 1>need some big fish apparently.

776
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Mean he's going to be fullback and goal kicker.

777
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, look, I think media was great for Melbourne.

778
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:47.440
<v Speaker 1>I think he was the Dogs before that or Newcastle,

779
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:50.360
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember. It didn't really stand out much. But

780
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:53.440
<v Speaker 1>you know he's gone to Melbourne and done really well

781
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:57.119
<v Speaker 1>in crabelling system, so credit to him. But they, as

782
00:44:57.119 --> 00:44:59.599
<v Speaker 1>I said, I think in the last podcast, if I

783
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:02.519
<v Speaker 1>was there, I'd be going all out for Papas and

784
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:06.599
<v Speaker 1>for Lomax and.

785
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Loawmarks might end up at the Storm well.

786
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Obviously the latest reports is that PARAMOUNTA won't release him,

787
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:15.800
<v Speaker 1>and to be fair, if I'm paramount. I wouldn't budge

788
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:18.960
<v Speaker 1>now because you know they took him in for the

789
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:22.039
<v Speaker 1>Dragons a year before and I think it was a

790
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:26.159
<v Speaker 1>bit a bit harsh what happened with, you know, getting

791
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:29.199
<v Speaker 1>the release far through sixty and that falling on his face.

792
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:31.920
<v Speaker 1>So look, if you're the Wallabies, they should be all

793
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:34.840
<v Speaker 1>over that Lomox. But also for the Perth Beers, I

794
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:38.639
<v Speaker 1>think you know, he played Origin last year and he's

795
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:40.280
<v Speaker 1>a very He's one of the best wingers in the world,

796
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:43.360
<v Speaker 1>so I'd be getting him. I'd be signing him up Away.

797
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Moves clubs a lot, was that, Lomas.

798
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you don't like people who do that.

799
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:51.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, I can't, can't. I can't judge too much.

800
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:55.719
<v Speaker 2>I've moved clubs too. But there's just there's a limit

801
00:45:55.800 --> 00:46:01.480
<v Speaker 2>to Johnny's job. RFL. I won't repeat what you put

802
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:02.199
<v Speaker 2>in the text.

803
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:05.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, look, I think we touched on a little bit

804
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:06.880
<v Speaker 1>earlier with Featherston.

805
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:11.559
<v Speaker 2>Still no caffeen kicked in now are you ready to go?

806
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:15.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm fired up. Still not made a decision on Featherstone.

807
00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:18.559
<v Speaker 1>You know, a week or so before they don't have

808
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:26.000
<v Speaker 1>an owner coach players Salford. They didn't. Actually, Sulford couldn't

809
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:29.440
<v Speaker 1>register their coach until the fifth because the RFL were

810
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:32.599
<v Speaker 1>away on holiday with a Festive break. So I think

811
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:36.000
<v Speaker 1>that means Salford will only get four maybe five training

812
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:38.320
<v Speaker 1>sessions before they own us. So that's a great preseason,

813
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:43.679
<v Speaker 1>isn't it. The eighteen eighteen ninety five Cup, which is

814
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:46.480
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like the Second Division Challenge Cup for

815
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:49.639
<v Speaker 1>people who don't know. That hasn't been announced. The fixtures

816
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.480
<v Speaker 1>is that on? When's it on? No one seems to

817
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:56.119
<v Speaker 1>know it's going to be moved away from Wembley the final,

818
00:46:56.199 --> 00:47:01.519
<v Speaker 1>but this announcement of when that's happening. Yeah, I think

819
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:03.880
<v Speaker 1>the RFL and you know, we can We've talked about

820
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:06.599
<v Speaker 1>the Tessy Newer thing. RFL's just made a statement said

821
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:08.880
<v Speaker 1>we're aware of it. We're not making any more statements

822
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Like is that good enough in twenty twenty six? I

823
00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:14.920
<v Speaker 1>don't think soainly. I think they need to lift their game.

824
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:17.880
<v Speaker 1>They need to get on the ball, they need to

825
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:22.440
<v Speaker 1>be more proactive, They need to be held accountable. Why

826
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:26.480
<v Speaker 1>aren't they Well, there's no one really to hold them

827
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:29.599
<v Speaker 1>to account. You know, I try and do my best,

828
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:35.039
<v Speaker 1>but there's hardly anyone who does that, so look, yeah,

829
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:39.199
<v Speaker 1>that's that's just the way the sport is in the UK. Sadly.

830
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:42.800
<v Speaker 2>So I've just done some googling on me dog and

831
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:48.320
<v Speaker 2>bowl because i'm this merging of championships, League one, League

832
00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:50.880
<v Speaker 2>two whatever they cald. It seemed to be a bit

833
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:55.400
<v Speaker 2>rush to me, and I don't know how much strategy

834
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:56.159
<v Speaker 2>is behind it.

835
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Well that's the RFL to a T twenty one teams.

836
00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:04.280
<v Speaker 2>How many rounds?

837
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:09.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, the fictional list is quite convoluted too, so I think,

838
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:12.679
<v Speaker 1>if I'm right, everyone plays each other once and then

839
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:15.960
<v Speaker 1>they've worked out a system of how you finished last

840
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:18.800
<v Speaker 1>season so that you would play. You're either ranked in

841
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:21.440
<v Speaker 1>the top tier or the second, so then you'll playoff.

842
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:23.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how many games it is, but a

843
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:26.239
<v Speaker 1>set amount of extra games against the top teams if

844
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:28.199
<v Speaker 1>you want the top teams, or one of the lower

845
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.800
<v Speaker 1>teams if you're in. But the fact is you're going

846
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:34.039
<v Speaker 1>to have, you know, an Oldham against I don't know,

847
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Newcastle Thunder or Keithley or someone, Yeah, I mean the Salford.

848
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:42.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, we might get aid in your scores, we

849
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:47.480
<v Speaker 1>might get one hundred mile scores. The real at League One.

850
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:50.239
<v Speaker 1>And I've said this for years in the years and

851
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:54.519
<v Speaker 1>I'll say it again. There's no quota, so you can

852
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:57.440
<v Speaker 1>have you could be Oldham and you could field seventeen

853
00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Australian Kiwi players, which is madness. And then everyone gets

854
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:08.840
<v Speaker 1>different central distribution, so Aldham might get one hundred and

855
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:12.280
<v Speaker 1>fifty grand and they might be playing a team who

856
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:15.480
<v Speaker 1>gets forty grand or playing Sofford who gets no money.

857
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:19.480
<v Speaker 1>So it already adds another layer of quality in the

858
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:21.800
<v Speaker 1>fact that you've got teams who have a lot more

859
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:25.679
<v Speaker 1>money against teams who have no or zero money. So

860
00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:30.000
<v Speaker 1>is that fair? No, but that's the system we have.

861
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:34.800
<v Speaker 2>You know your argument about daylight saving in the mornings.

862
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:38.360
<v Speaker 2>If you did morning you'd still get up at the

863
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:40.119
<v Speaker 2>same time that you were getting up when there was

864
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:42.519
<v Speaker 2>no daylight saving. I'd be the one doing it later.

865
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, and you're a bit grumpyge on. You're getting

866
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:50.400
<v Speaker 2>tired these nights.

867
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:51.199
<v Speaker 1>Now.

868
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:55.639
<v Speaker 2>Something else that's happened is the Rugby Football League have

869
00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:57.679
<v Speaker 2>now taken over the National Conference League.

870
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Is that right? Oh? Yes, that's to Yeah, I could

871
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:05.000
<v Speaker 1>leak that back to the job. But essentially this has

872
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:08.199
<v Speaker 1>been rolling on. This is another thing you mentioned rushed

873
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:12.239
<v Speaker 1>or not thought out so effectively. In September, they told

874
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the National Conference League, which is the top level amateur league,

875
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:20.360
<v Speaker 1>so just below the pro professional game, that they wanted

876
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:24.840
<v Speaker 1>to restructure the men's amateur game and instead of having

877
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.480
<v Speaker 1>two national divisions and then regional, they wanted regional all across.

878
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:32.920
<v Speaker 1>And the NCL were pretty pissed off about this, threatened

879
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:36.840
<v Speaker 1>the legal action, criticize it in the media, and this

880
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.320
<v Speaker 1>has draggedon for months and months, and now well, I've

881
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:43.360
<v Speaker 1>broke the news today that they've the NCL has effectively

882
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:47.039
<v Speaker 1>waived the white flag and agreed to the proposal which

883
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:51.079
<v Speaker 1>has been rushed through for this year. There is some

884
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:53.320
<v Speaker 1>rumors that the nc ALL clubs were worried that they

885
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:57.199
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have referees or insurance because the RFL would pull

886
00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:01.760
<v Speaker 1>those if they didn't agree to their restructure. I might

887
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:03.360
<v Speaker 1>be able to write about that in the near future.

888
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:06.280
<v Speaker 1>We shall see if people will talk. But yeah, it's

889
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:09.719
<v Speaker 1>another bad look. Really, it looks like the RFL has

890
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:12.039
<v Speaker 1>tried to strong arm the NCL and the NCL clubs,

891
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:15.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, the likes of Siddele and Kriggleston, and you know,

892
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:20.760
<v Speaker 1>strong amateur clubs who produce so many great players across

893
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:25.519
<v Speaker 1>the UK. And yeah, the RFL says it's because they're

894
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:29.000
<v Speaker 1>trying to halt the decline of participation in the male levels.

895
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Obviously there's a huge drop off when boys or teenagers

896
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:39.760
<v Speaker 1>hit sixteen, you know, give the game away. But the

897
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:42.039
<v Speaker 1>fact is this has been happening since at least since

898
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:44.800
<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen, not since COVID that the RFL is saying,

899
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:46.880
<v Speaker 1>and they've done nothing and then they've suddenly.

900
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:49.119
<v Speaker 2>It happens in Australia too, Oh it does.

901
00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:53.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, it happens in pretty much every sport.

902
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:56.599
<v Speaker 1>Like the way modern society is, people aren't playing sport

903
00:51:56.760 --> 00:52:00.239
<v Speaker 1>through into adult and aren't they. There's you know, there's more,

904
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah there is. But I think the RFL approach just

905
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:08.559
<v Speaker 1>seemed to be sorry to force this way through. Instead

906
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:11.760
<v Speaker 1>of talking having a dialogue with the players, with the clubs,

907
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:14.599
<v Speaker 1>of the volunteers, they've just tried to force this through

908
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:17.440
<v Speaker 1>rush it, which it's pissed off a lot of people.

909
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:23.000
<v Speaker 2>The if the NRL were taking over the National Conference League,

910
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:28.599
<v Speaker 2>people would be applauding and allowing them through. Because the

911
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:32.639
<v Speaker 2>NRL are a competent organization for the vast majority of

912
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:36.039
<v Speaker 2>what they do, and they've achieved things, and I think

913
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:39.719
<v Speaker 2>there's a very big difference with the RFL taking something

914
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:43.119
<v Speaker 2>over with because I'm all for you know, the game

915
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:45.760
<v Speaker 2>being streamlined, et cetera, and all for that, but I

916
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:48.960
<v Speaker 2>think confidence in the RFL right now is a significant low.

917
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:52.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, in my lifetime confidence in the RFL and

918
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:57.000
<v Speaker 2>its administration of the game tends to go from low

919
00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:00.760
<v Speaker 2>to lower to very low as opposed to high to

920
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:01.800
<v Speaker 2>medium to low.

921
00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:07.920
<v Speaker 1>The NRL run the amateur game? Do RL and the

922
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:11.199
<v Speaker 1>cr L run the amateur games? But you are right.

923
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:13.800
<v Speaker 1>I think what I've read up and looked into the

924
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:17.800
<v Speaker 1>RFL proposal, it makes sense in terms of the regional conferences,

925
00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:21.880
<v Speaker 1>but the way they've got about it isn't good.

926
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:25.880
<v Speaker 2>They probably need they probably need. One thing I find

927
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:30.119
<v Speaker 2>about movements of this kind it goes a bit too

928
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:34.599
<v Speaker 2>much towards the revolution route rather than the evolution route.

929
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:37.760
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes you've got to delay something. So for example,

930
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:41.159
<v Speaker 2>I think most rugby league fans would like to see

931
00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:44.519
<v Speaker 2>something similar as what's happened in Venezuela. I think they

932
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:48.480
<v Speaker 2>want to see Peter Velandi's come in and throw Nigel

933
00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:51.239
<v Speaker 2>war In his team out and do take over the

934
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Rugby Football League. But the reality is the RFL aren't

935
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:02.719
<v Speaker 2>fantastic communicating, so they're probably doing they're probably trying to

936
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:04.800
<v Speaker 2>do some good things here, but we don't know them,

937
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:08.920
<v Speaker 2>and like I said, trust in them is pretty low

938
00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:10.599
<v Speaker 2>I think. And they've also done a lot of these

939
00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:13.679
<v Speaker 2>things quickly, so they've been in the gate. We've had

940
00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:17.719
<v Speaker 2>this new group running the game, if you like, headed

941
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:21.119
<v Speaker 2>by Nigel Wood for six months, and we've already got

942
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:25.280
<v Speaker 2>two extra teams, two extra teams in Super League, a

943
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:28.719
<v Speaker 2>twenty one team championship. We've had a three nail Ashes

944
00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:32.360
<v Speaker 2>defeat where nobody seems to give a rats ass and

945
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:36.760
<v Speaker 2>we couldn't even paint the field properly, and we have

946
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:44.320
<v Speaker 2>clubs going to the wall. And we also have this

947
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:48.119
<v Speaker 2>movement where they've effectively, to use your term, strong armed

948
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:51.960
<v Speaker 2>the Conference League or perceived so we've strong armed the

949
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Conference League. Now a lot of those decisions that have

950
00:54:56.679 --> 00:55:00.239
<v Speaker 2>been made, I mean, a fourteen team Super League, we're

951
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:02.559
<v Speaker 2>not going to help the England team win the Ashes

952
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:07.400
<v Speaker 2>because allowing ten overseas players at every Super League team

953
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:09.880
<v Speaker 2>which is another thing they rush through that's not going

954
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:14.199
<v Speaker 2>to help. So those two things acting contradiction. Twenty one

955
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:19.280
<v Speaker 2>championship teams, like you said, they could be eighteen ill

956
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:24.840
<v Speaker 2>school lines and you know Goliath is playing against David

957
00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:30.760
<v Speaker 2>and in a few in a few on a few scenarios.

958
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:35.280
<v Speaker 2>So look, they've done a lot of things quickly. Some

959
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:42.519
<v Speaker 2>of them are probably sensible in their eyes for for

960
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:44.559
<v Speaker 2>whatever reason. But I'd love to know what they are.

961
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:47.239
<v Speaker 2>I'd love to know why they want a twenty one

962
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:50.159
<v Speaker 2>team championship. I'd love to know really why they want

963
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:54.320
<v Speaker 2>fourteen times teams apart from this loop fixture thing, right,

964
00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:59.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, loop fixtures have been turned into the devil

965
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:02.360
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden in the last year just because

966
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:05.239
<v Speaker 2>of one or two people complained about them in.

967
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:10.920
<v Speaker 1>The loop. The loop fixture thing is a nonsense, and

968
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:14.679
<v Speaker 1>you are right. They rushed through the expansions, have never

969
00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:20.280
<v Speaker 1>really articulated the reasons why enough why they should do it,

970
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:23.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, which Wigan obviously spoke openly about and they

971
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:27.039
<v Speaker 1>didn't really have strong discussions with their broadcast partner, which

972
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:30.639
<v Speaker 1>seems like madness. But the funny thing is that I

973
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:34.599
<v Speaker 1>meant I forgot to mention this earlier, but Sean Wayne

974
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:36.719
<v Speaker 1>two months since the end of the Ashes and were

975
00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:38.519
<v Speaker 1>still not had a decision there. So they do rush

976
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:40.199
<v Speaker 1>a lot of things, but they're sitting on their hands

977
00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:42.079
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to the England team.

978
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:44.480
<v Speaker 2>They did rules is that they're not going to get

979
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:47.000
<v Speaker 2>a fixture of England next middle of next year and

980
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:48.880
<v Speaker 2>they're not going to get any training sessions. They rushed

981
00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:49.280
<v Speaker 2>that through.

982
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:53.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, there is there is the hypocrisy that there seems

983
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:57.000
<v Speaker 1>to be this belief that France are not worth playing.

984
00:56:57.519 --> 00:56:59.400
<v Speaker 1>No one wants to watch them, they're not good enough.

985
00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:03.599
<v Speaker 1>So it's a competition, competition for England. But last year

986
00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:05.800
<v Speaker 1>there was a week off in set aside for that game,

987
00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:07.400
<v Speaker 1>but they didn't play the game, so everyone just had

988
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:10.360
<v Speaker 1>a week off. So this year there's not enough time,

989
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:13.440
<v Speaker 1>so you can't you can't win all the way.

990
00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:15.519
<v Speaker 2>Are you ready for lease laugh?

991
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:19.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm ready. I'm ready for a chuckle.

992
00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Because I want to promote this podcast to directly to fans.

993
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:31.679
<v Speaker 2>I've got on Facebook. I've joined some fan groups in

994
00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:35.239
<v Speaker 2>England like the the Wigan Warriors fan group blah blah

995
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:38.719
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah, and most of them just let you

996
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:41.719
<v Speaker 2>in or most of them as year question which team

997
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:46.840
<v Speaker 2>just support? Et cetera, et cetera. Huddersfield and Featherston rovers fans.

998
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:52.360
<v Speaker 2>You know, you sometimes go to a night club or

999
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:56.679
<v Speaker 2>a bar and they don't let you in because you

1000
00:57:56.760 --> 00:58:01.039
<v Speaker 2>might have rubbed your eyes or something like that, even

1001
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:05.559
<v Speaker 2>though you've the only drink you've had is coke zero. Also,

1002
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:09.760
<v Speaker 2>in states like Alabama and places like that, back in

1003
00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:13.559
<v Speaker 2>the forties and the fifties, they used you have to

1004
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:16.440
<v Speaker 2>register to vote in America, and if they liked you,

1005
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:18.880
<v Speaker 2>if they like the color of your skin, the question was,

1006
00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:22.239
<v Speaker 2>what's one plus one? Yeah, okay, you can vote. If

1007
00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:24.000
<v Speaker 2>they didn't like you and they didn't like the color

1008
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:26.599
<v Speaker 2>of your skin, the question was, please recite every word,

1009
00:58:27.199 --> 00:58:30.679
<v Speaker 2>every comera, and every full stop and semi colon of

1010
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:34.119
<v Speaker 2>the first twenty five lines of the American Constitution. And

1011
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:37.079
<v Speaker 2>then when you failed, no, you can't vote. So and

1012
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:40.559
<v Speaker 2>trying to get into some of these pages reminded me

1013
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:45.400
<v Speaker 2>of this, and Huddersfield and Featherstone roles were like Featherstone

1014
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:47.880
<v Speaker 2>was well. One of the questions they asked me was

1015
00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:52.599
<v Speaker 2>when did Featherstone last win the Challenge Cup nineteen eighty three.

1016
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:54.840
<v Speaker 2>But then the other question they asked me is who

1017
00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:57.079
<v Speaker 2>is the current chairman? And I don't know if anybody

1018
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:01.400
<v Speaker 2>could answer that, so I and what's funny is I

1019
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:04.280
<v Speaker 2>answered Mark Campbell and they've let they've let me in.

1020
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:07.760
<v Speaker 1>So who was the last chairman?

1021
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:12.239
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, true. Secondly, the Huddersfield Giants one, my word,

1022
00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:18.440
<v Speaker 2>what did they ask which which Huddersfield Giants players have

1023
00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:20.119
<v Speaker 2>won the Man of Steel Award?

1024
00:59:20.679 --> 00:59:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Brett Hodgson.

1025
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's all I've got and yeah, yeah, yeah, Google's good.

1026
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:35.519
<v Speaker 2>And another one was named five Australian or New Zealand

1027
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:39.760
<v Speaker 2>players that PASTI presente. Yeah, so it was quite tough

1028
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:42.039
<v Speaker 2>to get into those two. But you're glad to know, Johnny,

1029
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:43.840
<v Speaker 2>I've been accepted.

1030
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm sure when you when you put in the

1031
00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:50.960
<v Speaker 1>you upload the podcast and the Featherston one and will

1032
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:54.679
<v Speaker 1>get quickly deleted when there's mine I mentioned, So there's

1033
00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:55.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of love for me.

1034
00:59:55.480 --> 01:00:01.679
<v Speaker 2>And now the other thing is one of my YouTube

1035
01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:11.079
<v Speaker 2>videos got Russian interference. So a few decades so, I

1036
01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:16.840
<v Speaker 2>mean my company posts on YouTube incessantly and one.

1037
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:19.119
<v Speaker 1>Of those from Siberia, that's the true.

1038
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, one of them one of them violated

1039
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:25.440
<v Speaker 2>something that's not liked in Russia. So I got an

1040
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:31.599
<v Speaker 2>email from YouTube and violation and there's all these different

1041
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<v Speaker 2>color things on the YouTube channel. Anyway, it says find

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<v Speaker 2>out more. There's one country where it's been banned, Russia. Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was one of my adverts and I think

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<v Speaker 2>there was some you know, three notes of a song

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<v Speaker 2>from Beyonce in there, and yeah, they've banned it. So

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<v Speaker 2>Russian interference media watch. Well things have been slow, haven't

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<v Speaker 2>the Johnny but Love Rugby League? It must be really

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<v Speaker 2>slow because they did a chat GPT Dream Team. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell I'll tell you how reliable chat GPT is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's had me coaching at so many clubs. I think

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<v Speaker 2>chat GPT at one point had me coaching at older

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<v Speaker 2>So I can't really criticize Alan Kilshaw if I'm popping

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<v Speaker 2>up at Oldham, even though I've not been to the

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<v Speaker 2>town of Oldham for at least four years. Chat GPT

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<v Speaker 2>dream team included number four Whacker Blake, who played in

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<v Speaker 2>the championship last year. Number eight Alex Walmsley, who's about

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<v Speaker 2>fifty two years old. Number twelve Callepi tanganoa like hardly

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<v Speaker 2>the form of a of a superstar in twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think number thirteen was Callum Watkins. What say you,

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny about the chat GPT dream Team?

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<v Speaker 1>I think if you're using you know, chat JBT to

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<v Speaker 1>generate stories, then you really need to find a different profession. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I really have a disdain for that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of clickbait and that kind of you know ten players

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01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:15.440
<v Speaker 1>who have had a coffee this week, or you know

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01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:18.840
<v Speaker 1>ten players who are taller than two point one meters

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<v Speaker 1>who play or whatever. It's the lowest of the low.

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<v Speaker 2>Well talking of clickbait, well it must be clickbait to

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01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:34.000
<v Speaker 2>fans of certain teams. I've done an analysis video on

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<v Speaker 2>Mikey Lewis right and basically at the end of each

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01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:43.679
<v Speaker 2>one of these podcasts, I will stick this analysis video

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<v Speaker 2>one for the viewers the listeners. I hope you'll get

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<v Speaker 2>something from this. Most of the analysis will be super

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01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:54.480
<v Speaker 2>League and Super League related because it's basically the footage

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<v Speaker 2>can be accessible. I've done Mikey Lewis this week in

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<v Speaker 2>future weeks and do Reese Walsh Pak Carragan players will

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<v Speaker 2>be playing in the World Cup Challenge basically what I

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01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:08.400
<v Speaker 2>do want to say at this junk to John And

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<v Speaker 2>then I think this is one of the reasons you

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<v Speaker 2>and I get on. We do look at things with

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01:03:11.559 --> 01:03:14.119
<v Speaker 2>a critical eye. We don't just accept things as they are.

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01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Mikey Lewis gets an awful lot of press and he

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<v Speaker 2>gets bumped up a lot in the camera looks at

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<v Speaker 2>him an awful lot. When I look at an analysis video, John,

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<v Speaker 2>I look at it like a coach. I look at

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<v Speaker 2>it like a coach. How can I improve this player?

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<v Speaker 2>So what things can we add to him? Or if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the opposition coach, how can we expo exploit the

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01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:36.559
<v Speaker 2>weaknesses of this player? And what strength do we have

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01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:41.760
<v Speaker 2>to look for? So that's that's the area I'm coming from.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'd love for everybody from OKR, well anybody who's

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<v Speaker 2>a fan of anybody. Really, I'd love Mikey Lewis to

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01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:53.519
<v Speaker 2>look at this and tell me what he thinks. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, if you're listening, I hope you can get

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01:03:55.559 --> 01:03:58.320
<v Speaker 2>something out of this. But if you if you can't

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01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:00.280
<v Speaker 2>and you want to watch the video, it's actually own

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01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:02.679
<v Speaker 2>unique clip on YouTube as well, which I know, Johnny

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01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:07.039
<v Speaker 2>you've shared on your ex so I'll catch up with

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<v Speaker 2>you in a fortnite. John, Where can people get you

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01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:11.440
<v Speaker 2>in the meantime Just remind them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they can get me on Facebook at John Davidson

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01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Journalists and on ex Johnny D Davidson and also on

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon at Rugby League hub dot com and.

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<v Speaker 2>You can get me admin at Rugby League Coach dot

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01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:27.280
<v Speaker 2>com dote you email at Rugby League Coach on Socials

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01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Rugby League Coach dot com dot te you. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you enjoy the analysis, see you in a fortnite. Hello

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<v Speaker 2>and welcome to the first Rugby League Coach Analysis video

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty six. My name is Lee Addison, owner

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01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:44.880
<v Speaker 2>of Rugby League Coach dot com dot A you. Happy

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<v Speaker 2>New Year to you. Were only a few weeks away

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<v Speaker 2>from the World Club Challenge between Hull Kingston Rovers the

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<v Speaker 2>UK champions and Brisbane Broncos the Australian champions, and you'll

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<v Speaker 2>also get to see Hull Kingston Rovers at Las Vegas two,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a matter of weeks away quite frankly, and

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<v Speaker 2>one of the players that has got the highest profile

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<v Speaker 2>at hulk k are as they are more commonly known

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<v Speaker 2>is Mikey Lewis, who you will have seen play for

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01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:16.559
<v Speaker 2>England in the halves and also dummy half and at

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<v Speaker 2>fullback briefly in the Third Test. There's been a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of fuss about Mikey Lewis. I'm not going to waste

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01:05:22.159 --> 01:05:24.480
<v Speaker 2>any more time. I'm going to share my scream with

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<v Speaker 2>you because look at the headlines that Mikey Lewis has

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01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:32.039
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed over the last few years. So as discussed, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the man that we're looking at. Mikey Lewis Hulkingston

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<v Speaker 2>Rovers has some great headlines on the radar of several

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01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:42.800
<v Speaker 2>NROL clubs with possible transferred date suggested Love Rugby League.

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<v Speaker 2>A few months ago, Super League Grand Final hero Mikey

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<v Speaker 2>Lewis named in England squad said seven News and it

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<v Speaker 2>says the Kangaroos have a big headache. Well I don't

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01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:55.119
<v Speaker 2>remember them having a headache. And also Lewis will light

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<v Speaker 2>up Vegas after inking a new whole kr deal. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's no doubting there's a lot of attention around this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's see if this is all worthwhile. Here he

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01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:10.480
<v Speaker 2>is in the Super League Grand Final. This got people excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's that left foot step and it led to a try.

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01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:15.480
<v Speaker 2>I think that was the try that got him into

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01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:18.119
<v Speaker 2>the England squad. Here he is kicking the forty twenty

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01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:21.559
<v Speaker 2>in the Challenge Cup final earlier in the year. Here

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01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:25.000
<v Speaker 2>he is with a very long dropout where his team

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01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:28.199
<v Speaker 2>got some possession back. So the kid definitely has some talent.

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<v Speaker 2>But we as always as coaches, we look for things

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<v Speaker 2>that we can exploit and I'm putting myself in Michael

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01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Maguire's shoes that kick there. He has a tendency when

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01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:41.639
<v Speaker 2>he kicks long to put the ball down the throats

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01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:44.920
<v Speaker 2>of opposition defenses, so not very good at finding the space.

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<v Speaker 2>He is better, however, when he does attacking kicks, and

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01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:50.519
<v Speaker 2>he tends to wait them very perfectly so that there's

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01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:53.599
<v Speaker 2>a good challenge between attack and defense. As a couple

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01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:57.920
<v Speaker 2>of examples here of him doing this where Hulkingston Rovers

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01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:00.760
<v Speaker 2>definitely were in the fight when it comes to to

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01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:07.679
<v Speaker 2>regaining possession and potentially getting some kind of win. Please,

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01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:10.239
<v Speaker 2>if you haven't already, consider having a look at my

1154
01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:14.400
<v Speaker 2>book Rugby League Coach, Thirteen Game Changing Conversations to Transform

1155
01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:18.719
<v Speaker 2>your coaching words from James Tedesco, Ronaldo Mulatalo, Matthew Elliott,

1156
01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:21.599
<v Speaker 2>no crush of Khalil and others in that in that book,

1157
01:07:21.719 --> 01:07:24.760
<v Speaker 2>including all the coaching tips I hope you will need

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01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:28.079
<v Speaker 2>for your twenty twenty six season. We're now looking at

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<v Speaker 2>Mikey defending. He's the last defender on the left. As

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<v Speaker 2>I have paused this screen, he is number six. You

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01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:37.920
<v Speaker 2>will see his legs are actually quite far apart when

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<v Speaker 2>he's defending. And the problem with that is you can't

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<v Speaker 2>change direction at short notice, you if you're in some

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01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:47.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of stance like that. And here he gets exploited

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit because he turned in then he has

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01:07:49.159 --> 01:07:51.840
<v Speaker 2>to turn back out. You may remember in a previous

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<v Speaker 2>analysis video I showed you an example of the hook

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<v Speaker 2>are rights center doing it really well. Mikey Lewis was

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<v Speaker 2>all at sea there and actually ended up going behind

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01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:02.960
<v Speaker 2>his defense pensive line. Warrington seemed to target this area

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01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:05.280
<v Speaker 2>a little bit in the Challenge Cup final. Here you

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<v Speaker 2>will see again his legs are open. He's sat in

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01:08:07.639 --> 01:08:10.760
<v Speaker 2>the seat as we say it, and therefore he gets

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<v Speaker 2>delayed when he has to change direction and has to

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<v Speaker 2>keep going on the slide, and he's actually late to

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<v Speaker 2>the tackle. So he's somebody that somebody like Rhys Walsh

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<v Speaker 2>or the six and seven for Brisbane. Broncos can really

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<v Speaker 2>target in defense and hold him up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a very willing defender. Like I said, he will

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<v Speaker 2>chase things downs and the flip side of that, though,

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01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:34.760
<v Speaker 2>is that you can drag him out of the defensive line.

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<v Speaker 2>Here he is going a little bit low in his tackles.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a tendency to go either really high or

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<v Speaker 2>really low. Here he is going low again, but that

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01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:46.960
<v Speaker 2>was probably a textbook tackle and he killed the ruck

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01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:48.960
<v Speaker 2>really well on the back of that. That is rare

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01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:50.960
<v Speaker 2>rather than common though in the big games. Here he

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01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:54.560
<v Speaker 2>goes higher, Like I said, a very willing defender, no dramas,

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<v Speaker 2>but tends to move very quickly off the marker area.

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<v Speaker 2>Here he backs away and goes really low. So I'm

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01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:03.760
<v Speaker 2>going to show that to you again. If you look

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<v Speaker 2>at this defensive line, he's already a little bit behind it.

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<v Speaker 2>All he needed to do was stay in that line. Instead,

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01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:11.479
<v Speaker 2>what he did he backed away and this gave the

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<v Speaker 2>opposition number six the chance to target him in the

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<v Speaker 2>defensive line. He ended up pulling off a really low

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<v Speaker 2>tackle and was unable to completely get the root controlled

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<v Speaker 2>on the back of it. So this is what Mikey

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<v Speaker 2>Lewis can be capable of in defense. Here he is

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<v Speaker 2>turning in again, probably a little bit too early, a

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01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:29.439
<v Speaker 2>little bit too enthusiastic, and then he went too high

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01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:32.479
<v Speaker 2>and got knocked on his backside. So you will tend

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<v Speaker 2>to find this with Mikey Lewis. Now do you notice

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<v Speaker 2>how the wh k R markers aren't square? It happens

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01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:43.800
<v Speaker 2>so much in Super League, okay, so don't be surprised

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<v Speaker 2>if it's an English referee if this happens in the

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<v Speaker 2>World Club Challenge. Mikey Lewis is in the defensive line,

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<v Speaker 2>his legs and ice and wide there and he ends

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01:09:51.560 --> 01:09:54.560
<v Speaker 2>up planting and luckily for him the tackle comes to him.

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<v Speaker 2>But did you notice how much go forward the opposition

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01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:03.039
<v Speaker 2>forward got here? He is defending for England in the

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<v Speaker 2>First Test. Again coming out of the line, didn't really

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01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:08.680
<v Speaker 2>need to the ball went outside him. You may remember

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<v Speaker 2>Australia had a bit of joy on the right side

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<v Speaker 2>of the field early in this game. There he is

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<v Speaker 2>missing a tackle. Here he is later in the game

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<v Speaker 2>getting it wrong again, going too low and coming in.

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<v Speaker 2>So certainly something Australian attackers in the Brisbane Bronco side

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<v Speaker 2>can exploit here. He is out of the defensive line

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<v Speaker 2>and he's isolated himself in defense, so a lead runner

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<v Speaker 2>ties him up and the ball goes outside him. One

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<v Speaker 2>of the highlights of the Rugby League Coach offerings of

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<v Speaker 2>Coach dot comte au forward slash Coach Mentor. In terms

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<v Speaker 2>of our results, twenty twenty six is our fourth year

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<v Speaker 2>of doing this. We so far had eight Grand Final wins.

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<v Speaker 2>Eleven teams were competition runners up. Nine percent of our

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<v Speaker 2>teams finished in the top four of their competition. Every

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<v Speaker 2>single coach and team improved. Let's have a look at

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<v Speaker 2>some of Mikey Lewis's attacks. So coming out from his

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01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:11.079
<v Speaker 2>own exit, just setting up, he will literally just catch

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01:11:11.079 --> 01:11:13.960
<v Speaker 2>and pass or he will turn the ball inside far

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<v Speaker 2>away from the defensive line. I've not noticed anything with

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<v Speaker 2>Mikey Lewis to suggests it's a great threat close to

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<v Speaker 2>the line with the ball. In terms of his past choices,

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<v Speaker 2>he is with his running, but not necessarily his past choices.

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<v Speaker 2>So he'll do he'll just tip on the ball here

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01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:30.239
<v Speaker 2>like that, or he'll turn it inside. You will notice

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<v Speaker 2>him getting to a dummy half a lot as well

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01:11:32.199 --> 01:11:34.319
<v Speaker 2>in all the games I've seen him play here, he

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<v Speaker 2>is a second receiver, and at second receive receiver he

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01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:40.000
<v Speaker 2>will do one of two things. He'll either pass the

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01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:42.960
<v Speaker 2>ball long or he will step off his left foot

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<v Speaker 2>and go into the line. Okay, and we're going to

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01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:48.920
<v Speaker 2>see those patterns emerge. There's a left foot step, okay,

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01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:51.600
<v Speaker 2>So he either passes long or steps off his left

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01:11:51.600 --> 01:11:54.279
<v Speaker 2>foot where he is very good. He's broken play like this,

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01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:57.640
<v Speaker 2>instinctive play. His first instinct is to run, and he'll follow.

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01:11:58.039 --> 01:12:00.840
<v Speaker 2>He's running and passing instincts. Then when he has time

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01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:03.520
<v Speaker 2>to think, I think he doesn't come up with many

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01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:06.439
<v Speaker 2>options because when he's at second receiver, he's got nobody

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01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:10.680
<v Speaker 2>coming inside him. His outside options aren't fantastically shaped up.

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01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:14.159
<v Speaker 2>He labored on the ball for a little bit and

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01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:16.880
<v Speaker 2>just ends up passing the most simple pass that achieves

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01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:20.279
<v Speaker 2>very little and is easily defended by the Warrington Wolves.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think Brisbane can really deal with him in

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<v Speaker 2>this regard. But this is where he's dangerous. When it's instinctive,

1259
01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:29.359
<v Speaker 2>when it's fast and he just puts in the little

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01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:34.520
<v Speaker 2>short kick to try and get an attacking opportunity. So

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01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:37.119
<v Speaker 2>when he's at second receiver, we can predict what he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to do. He's going to run at the line,

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01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:43.439
<v Speaker 2>or he's going to pass along. In broken play like this,

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<v Speaker 2>when the player is fast, this is where he gets

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01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:48.960
<v Speaker 2>better and he looks more dangerous. I think his first

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01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:51.960
<v Speaker 2>instinct is to run. Here's another instinctive play where the

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<v Speaker 2>defense isn't necessarily in his face and the team got

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<v Speaker 2>good go forward on the back of Mikey Lewis's interventions.

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01:12:58.119 --> 01:13:01.000
<v Speaker 2>There he goes down the short side. So we do

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<v Speaker 2>have a talented player, but I do think that he

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<v Speaker 2>can be very easily controlled by the Brisbane Broncos. When

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<v Speaker 2>he's setting up a set, I e. If his first

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01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:17.079
<v Speaker 2>receiver and he's part of a set construction, he has

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<v Speaker 2>a default where he likes to just turn the ball

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01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:24.880
<v Speaker 2>back inside for no clear apparent reason. So here you

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01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:27.600
<v Speaker 2>will see just turns it back inside, doesn't really do

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<v Speaker 2>much of the defense. That's a default setting for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Halves tend to have tendencies and blind spots, and I

1279
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<v Speaker 2>do think that Mikey Lewis needs to get some more

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01:13:38.039 --> 01:13:40.720
<v Speaker 2>variety around him, because here his options run out on

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<v Speaker 2>the outside. He just steps on the inside. And this

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01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:45.640
<v Speaker 2>is why I think Brisbane can really control him. That said,

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<v Speaker 2>when the play is loose, when the opposition of going

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01:13:48.680 --> 01:13:51.960
<v Speaker 2>backwards when they're retreating, I think he's brilliant and makes

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01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:54.399
<v Speaker 2>the right decision. Here Again, I think he did well

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<v Speaker 2>to get some go forward there. He's organizing the next

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01:13:57.079 --> 01:14:01.680
<v Speaker 2>play on the back of that. When he gets time

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01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:05.319
<v Speaker 2>to think, he ends up just running the football or

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01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:09.239
<v Speaker 2>taking the simplest option. Here he comes in the third

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01:14:09.279 --> 01:14:13.279
<v Speaker 2>receiver steps back in, So Brisbane can really control what

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<v Speaker 2>he does in that regard. After watching that with me,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you agree with me that Lewis predominantly has

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<v Speaker 2>a left foot step. In fact, that's his only significant

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<v Speaker 2>step if you ask me so. When he is second

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01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:30.640
<v Speaker 2>receiver on a line shot, if you like, he is

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01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:33.359
<v Speaker 2>likely to pass the ball along or run out of

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<v Speaker 2>the line, including that left foot step. So the way

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<v Speaker 2>to defend against that is number one can keep a line.

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<v Speaker 2>Number two push from the inside so that his left

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<v Speaker 2>foot step back into the defensive line isn't necessarily an option. Thirdly,

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<v Speaker 2>something else you can do is outside where Mikey Lewis

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<v Speaker 2>is looking, so the right center for example, because he

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01:14:55.840 --> 01:14:58.399
<v Speaker 2>tends to play on the left, that defender can jam

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01:14:58.479 --> 01:15:01.199
<v Speaker 2>in or they can umbrella that and Mikey Lewis will

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<v Speaker 2>then step in. So Brisbane can I think, possibly deal

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<v Speaker 2>with Mikey Lewis quite easily in that circumstance. When he's

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<v Speaker 2>second receiver, if he's involved in the setup of a set,

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01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:14.279
<v Speaker 2>he tends to do an inside pass, so that's quite

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<v Speaker 2>readable and Brisbane will be able to defend that on

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<v Speaker 2>the inside. That said, all I've said about is attacking

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<v Speaker 2>weaknesses or his tendencies, if you like. His first instinct

1312
01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:27.359
<v Speaker 2>is to run, and I think he's more dangerous in

1313
01:15:27.399 --> 01:15:31.479
<v Speaker 2>broken play, so when the play is fluid, when the

1314
01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:34.159
<v Speaker 2>defense is moving backwards, when he runs at the line,

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01:15:34.199 --> 01:15:37.039
<v Speaker 2>he makes good decisions when he's backing his instincts, when

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01:15:37.039 --> 01:15:39.600
<v Speaker 2>he has to think, when he has to plan, I

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01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:43.319
<v Speaker 2>don't think he's as good and that's where Brisbane Broncos

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01:15:43.399 --> 01:15:46.560
<v Speaker 2>have to be very ware he particularly on the last

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01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:48.560
<v Speaker 2>tackle if he gets caught with a ball. A couple

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<v Speaker 2>of times he just done it and went through the

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<v Speaker 2>defensive line defensively is a very very willing defender. That said,

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01:15:55.720 --> 01:15:59.319
<v Speaker 2>though I think sometimes he over commits to things. He'll

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<v Speaker 2>go either too high or too low in the tackles.

1324
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<v Speaker 2>Goes too high, sometimes gets bumped off, goes too low

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01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:06.680
<v Speaker 2>quick play the ball on the back of that, and

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing you noticed in the clip is how

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<v Speaker 2>he sometimes overslides, the slides past the ball or he

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01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:14.279
<v Speaker 2>comes out of the line too quickly. That said, there's

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<v Speaker 2>so much energy about him. Is a very willing character

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<v Speaker 2>and it's certainly somebody Brisbane Broncos have to be careful

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<v Speaker 2>of the next few weeks. You're going to see a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of Rhyese Walsh and you're also going to

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<v Speaker 2>see Jesse Litton and Pat Carry done as well. In

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<v Speaker 2>the analysis videos. Take care have a look at rugbilly

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<v Speaker 2>coach dot comverta U forward slash coach mentor