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<v Speaker 2>back with another episode Homologies Who Tiny chameleons, drooling dragons,

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<v Speaker 2>you to everyone who listens as they do field work

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<v Speaker 2>in Alaska, or do chores, or paint your kids' rooms,

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<v Speaker 2>or do the dishes, or go on road trips. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>honored to be in your pocket. Okay, lizards Sorology, let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it. I guess how frickin elated I was

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<v Speaker 2>when one day I was very busy lamenting that my

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful Herpetology episode with doctor David Stein covered too many

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<v Speaker 2>scaly bases, and then I stumbled upon a Wikipedia page

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<v Speaker 2>identifying herpetology subfields. My eyes landed on the most beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>word sorology, some angels saying some clouds parted, just a

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<v Speaker 2>single tear race down my cheek. And I looked at

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<v Speaker 2>a window and I whispered to this guy, fucking love

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<v Speaker 2>lizards man, sorrows and Greek means lizards. I had just

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<v Speaker 2>the rologists to make all of our dreams come true.

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<v Speaker 2>I followed her on Twitter for months and months, and

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<v Speaker 2>on Wednesdays she posts a game called hashtag find that Lizard.

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<v Speaker 2>And these are photos from her field work that you

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<v Speaker 2>swear zooming over all of the pixels. They got to

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<v Speaker 2>be a hoax. There's no lizards in there, but in

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<v Speaker 2>fact there is a lizard. So Find that Lizard made

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<v Speaker 2>me love lizards and Wednesdays even more so. I had

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<v Speaker 2>her over to have a real time find that Lizard

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<v Speaker 2>session among some local grasses and cacti. And also my

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<v Speaker 2>neighbor Donna, who's awesome and wondered why I was in

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<v Speaker 2>my bushes. She's a lizard scientist. We're looking for lizards.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is Aaron. Hi. Nice to me.

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<v Speaker 2>She used the pan on me always in my gun.

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<v Speaker 2>Really we were looking.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like carto frocks. Are they I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>They're warming themselves?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So she's like a professional lizard scientist. And I

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<v Speaker 2>see a beer bottle. I don't know what species of

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<v Speaker 2>beer bottle.

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<v Speaker 3>It might be a.

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<v Speaker 2>Genus Budweiser species. Light Every once in a while, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I see something out of the corner of my mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, yeah, you see it? Yes, Oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 3>thought it was hallucinating.

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<v Speaker 2>Does it ever happen where you? You don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you saw a lizard or if you hallucinated.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, all the time. Everything is a lizard. That

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<v Speaker 3>bush is a lizert, that rock is a loser, that

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<v Speaker 3>piece of grass is a lizard. I'm just like movement,

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<v Speaker 3>it must be a lizard.

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<v Speaker 2>So we ran with it, and we crouched near a

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<v Speaker 2>cactus to watch for some tiny movements and listened for

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<v Speaker 2>scuttly rustling, and.

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<v Speaker 3>We saw three dag lizards.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we settled into my couch to chat about

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<v Speaker 2>everything from Gecko's anti gravity grip to Komodo dragon mouthed

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<v Speaker 2>to Godzilla, to her wildly popular find that Lizard hashtag

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<v Speaker 2>game on Twitter, to field season, to heal a monster sightings,

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<v Speaker 2>close encounters with lions, balls of snoozy lizards, getting hooga

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<v Speaker 2>as hell in a hybernaculum, to some sound advice on

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<v Speaker 2>social anxiety and how to succeed in literally any field

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<v Speaker 2>or ambition. So spread out on a rock, soak in

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<v Speaker 2>the warmth of this array of Science Sunshine roologist Aaron McGhee.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you are I looked this up.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a zerologist. Yes, did you know that before?

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<v Speaker 3>I did? Not? Really, No, no one really uses that word.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, I'm very happy it exists. It works.

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<v Speaker 3>It works.

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<v Speaker 2>Now when you tell people what you do, like at

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<v Speaker 2>a dinner party, say, or someone's just introducing you, do

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<v Speaker 2>you tell them that you're a lizard scientist?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully people are curious enough to ask you like leading

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<v Speaker 2>questions so that you can dive in. And I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to leave a dinner party and know

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<v Speaker 2>more about lizards. Who wouldn't That's true? Now, why lizards?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they your favorite kind of wildlife? Or did you

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<v Speaker 2>just like being out in nature and field work and

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<v Speaker 2>then you found that you started to do a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of researcher.

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<v Speaker 3>So I always knew that I wanted to work with

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<v Speaker 3>animals from like birth to undergrad I was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to be a veterinarian, and like you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>was like one of those teachers type of kids, but

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<v Speaker 3>like in the second grade, this one time, this lady

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<v Speaker 3>was like, yeah, you can't be a veterinarian. And apparently,

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<v Speaker 3>according to my parents. I told her, off, what did

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<v Speaker 3>you just say to me? Because because I got sent

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<v Speaker 3>to the principal's office, and like in my family, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't get sent to the office. You just don't do that,

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<v Speaker 3>and so like they had to come give me and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like listen. But then I got to undergrad

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<v Speaker 3>and I went and I talked to like some met

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<v Speaker 3>school students and they were like, yeah, we have friends

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<v Speaker 3>in med school and they are miserable. I think that

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<v Speaker 3>the requirements of going through the process of met school

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<v Speaker 3>are just different, where it's a lot more intense because

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<v Speaker 3>you actually have to save these animals lives and treat

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<v Speaker 3>them and you know, give them medicine, and you don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to overdose somebody's pet. So pressure's on. Yeah, So Vets,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you, Vets. I appreciate you guys. Show you my Pukah,

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<v Speaker 3>my dog, his vet is awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>But you were like, maybe maybe not for me, right

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<v Speaker 2>At some point, when did you get to pivot a

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<v Speaker 3>So my freshman year of undergrad, I did this program

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<v Speaker 3>called h COP that's the acronym.

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron went to Howard University in Washington, d C. And

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<v Speaker 2>participated in h COP Health Careers Opportunity Program, and a

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<v Speaker 2>mentor there introduced her to doctor George Minnendorff, a her petologist,

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<v Speaker 2>who became her undergrad advisor.

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<v Speaker 3>And then one of my other friends was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you like animals and you also need money to pay

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<v Speaker 3>for this school. You should apply it to the Environmental

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<v Speaker 3>Biology Scholars program.

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<v Speaker 2>She applied, and she got in and got to poke

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<v Speaker 2>around in some different types of fieldwork to see what

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<v Speaker 2>floated her boat.

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<v Speaker 3>One guy was working with fish, and I was not

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<v Speaker 3>really interested in fish like that, and so then I

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<v Speaker 3>started working with lizards. And then I went out to

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<v Speaker 3>the cher Cow Mountains for the first time the summer

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<v Speaker 3>after my freshman year, and I was like, wow, this

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<v Speaker 3>is perfect. I get to be outside, I get to

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<v Speaker 3>catch lizards, and this is like, you know, doing this

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<v Speaker 3>work is like it's hard, but it's not like vet

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<v Speaker 3>school hard. I was like, this is like the perfect,

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<v Speaker 3>this is perfect everything that means all my criteria.

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron says she realized doing field work that there are

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<v Speaker 2>still so many questions about ecology and animals that were

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<v Speaker 2>never answered, and that really excited her, and she graduated

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<v Speaker 2>from Howard with a bachelor's in biology and then headed

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<v Speaker 2>out to the University of Arizona to get her Masters

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<v Speaker 2>in Wildlife Conservation and Management through the School of Natural

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<v Speaker 2>Resources and the Environment, and she's now working toward her

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<v Speaker 2>PhD in the same field. And speaking of being outstanding

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<v Speaker 2>in the field when you are catching lizards, to walk

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<v Speaker 2>me through what that is like in the field, Like

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<v Speaker 2>how early do you have to get to a field site?

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<v Speaker 3>What is it like?

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<v Speaker 2>Like where do you start?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, So for the projects that I've been doing,

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<v Speaker 3>I've had already I scouted, you know, sites, and so

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<v Speaker 3>we would start about eight in the morning or so,

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<v Speaker 3>because like for the most part, the lizards aren't out

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<v Speaker 3>like super super early. You want it to be warm

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<v Speaker 3>by the time they get out, and normally about eight

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<v Speaker 3>eight thirty ish it's warm enough. I love that these

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<v Speaker 3>lizards are.

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<v Speaker 2>Like to like like eight thirty nine, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's also perfect for me because I am not

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<v Speaker 3>an early bird all so, like birds are out. I

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<v Speaker 3>was just like, listen, you can't do it. I guess

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<v Speaker 3>there's there's no like the early lizard gets the fly.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't hear that. Yeah, So we'll get we'll get up,

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<v Speaker 3>have breakfast, then we go grab all of our stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>We have to make sure that we all have our

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<v Speaker 3>lizard poles, and everybody has to make sure that their

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<v Speaker 3>line is good and then it's not too short. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not too long.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, has a very cool piece of

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<v Speaker 2>equipment called a lasso and it's essentially a little knot

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<v Speaker 2>of silk thread and it's on a fishing pole.

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<v Speaker 3>She can extend it out and then she can loop

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<v Speaker 3>it around a lizard. She's got the lizard. So we

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<v Speaker 3>have like a whole fanny pack system. And so like

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<v Speaker 3>the fanny pack has like the notebook that we take

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<v Speaker 3>our and pencils, pins, rollers, scissors, all that kind of

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<v Speaker 3>stuff that we need. And then like we just pass

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<v Speaker 3>off the fanning pack to the people who meet them,

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<v Speaker 3>who meets it at whatever time. And so then when

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<v Speaker 3>you're like you walk through however all far you need

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<v Speaker 3>to get to get into the site, and then once

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<v Speaker 3>you're in the site, pull is in hand. So that

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<v Speaker 3>way when you see a lizard, you're ready to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>go for it. And so then at that point we're

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<v Speaker 3>just walking up and down the site. However, many times

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<v Speaker 3>that we've decided that we're going to walk up and

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<v Speaker 3>down the site, Normally it's just walk up once, walk

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<v Speaker 3>down once, and then leave if there are no lizards,

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<v Speaker 3>and occasionally in some sites that have been no lizards,

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<v Speaker 3>it's pretty quick. And then in sites where there are

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of lizards, you know, we might spend two

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<v Speaker 3>three hours in a site catching lizards.

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<v Speaker 2>This is such a stupid question. But what is a lizard?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we're talking a reptile. Yes, we're talking not

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<v Speaker 2>a snake. It has legs, although there are legless lizards. Yeah, correct,

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<v Speaker 2>But what differentiates a lizard from say, a snake, other

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<v Speaker 2>and a snake lies a lizard, like an a e ven

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<v Speaker 2>diagram of limbs and such.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm pretty sure it has something to do with

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<v Speaker 3>the bones at their head shapes and at their skulls,

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<v Speaker 3>something to do with how they're back bones and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>Turns out that defining a lizard's isn't the easiest because

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<v Speaker 2>there's so much variety in them, y'all. There are lizards

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<v Speaker 2>that have venom, that have third eye organs at the

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<v Speaker 2>top of their heads, They have scary Shakespearean collars. There

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<v Speaker 2>are ones that dive and eat algae in the sea.

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<v Speaker 2>Others that walk on water what like a Jesus, They

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<v Speaker 2>can take down a water buffalo that can clone themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>There are wall crawlers, nights singers, bloodshooters. Also, it's early

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<v Speaker 2>in the episode, but I'll go there. The males have

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<v Speaker 2>two dicks, why not travel with a spear, But don't worry.

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<v Speaker 2>Female lizards are known to have two clitterises and researchers

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what they're for, but you know, maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>should just ask. But the book definition of a lizard

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<v Speaker 2>a fused, inseparable lower jaw, a single temporal opening that's

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<v Speaker 2>and two pairs total four well differentiated functional limbs, which

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<v Speaker 2>could be lacking though in burrowing forms. So there's your

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<v Speaker 2>definition of a lizard. And also, yes, there are wormy

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<v Speaker 2>looking legless lizards. Also, I just google image searched lizard

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<v Speaker 2>ears because I just needed like a little lose acute

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<v Speaker 2>and somehow a popped a photo of a person who

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<v Speaker 2>had gaged ears with alive a knoll resting in the

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<v Speaker 2>rubbery hammock of this person's lobe flesh. So that's enough

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<v Speaker 2>of that. Also, some lizards like green and knoles and

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<v Speaker 2>monitor lizards and komodo dragons which are monitor lizards, are

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<v Speaker 2>super smart. Researchers say, maybe I on par with some

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<v Speaker 2>bird species. So does Aaron find that when she's out

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<v Speaker 2>catch and releasing them for her data.

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<v Speaker 3>So it depends on a lizard, okay, some lizards are

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<v Speaker 3>smarter than other lizards, okay. And it also depends on

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<v Speaker 3>if they've been caught before really, because then they've learned

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<v Speaker 3>they now know what it is. And so sometimes like

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<v Speaker 3>a lizard will see you and it's just like they're

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<v Speaker 3>not going to bother me, or they don't see me.

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<v Speaker 3>My camouflage is good enough, and then you can just

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes they'll see you and they'll run, and then you

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<v Speaker 3>have to run with them, and you're chasing a lizard,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, sometimes it takes like there or four

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<v Speaker 3>people to catch one lizard because you're just like.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm, Aaron told me that to track them, her research team,

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<v Speaker 2>like her petologists all over the world, sometimes has to

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<v Speaker 2>snip off a few toes in a certain order as

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<v Speaker 2>a marker. So toe clipping has its critics, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>but catching and releasing lizards to monitor them, especially with

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<v Speaker 2>climates are changing and water sources drying up, is important

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<v Speaker 2>to the work that herpers are doing. And she says

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<v Speaker 2>she takes just the minimum she needs for identification, and

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<v Speaker 2>I did not ask what she does with the toes.

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<v Speaker 2>I started researching to see if you can buy small

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<v Speaker 2>bags of lizard toes, like maybe she could put them

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<v Speaker 2>to use and sell them to a site for witches.

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<v Speaker 2>And then that landed me on a Wickan page to

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<v Speaker 2>see if they actually do use lizard toes for anything. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't have anything about lizard toes, just some helpful

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<v Speaker 2>info on candles and herbs and crystals. Before I knew it,

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<v Speaker 2>I was on wick and Living reading a really great

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<v Speaker 2>article about gratitude that really made my day. I was like, thanks, witches,

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<v Speaker 2>most of you are probably vegan anyway, So yeah, if

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<v Speaker 2>wild lizards don't respond by name, how else can you

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<v Speaker 2>recognize them?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I also paint mark them on their back, so

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just go a little number. How long do lizards live?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you seeing the same ones?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Later on in the field season maybe next year.

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<v Speaker 3>So they can live generally a little while. And it

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<v Speaker 3>also depends on the species, but like the lizards that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm looking at normally don't get too too much older

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<v Speaker 3>than five or so. And the wild, Like my undergrad

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<v Speaker 3>advisor was just like he would see this one big

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<v Speaker 3>male lizard year after year, just like displaying for everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>And one day it got swooped up by a bird.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh did he see it? Yeah, he was there for it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty opportune, I'd have to say, like in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of getting some closure on where that lizard went right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Oh my god, was he just like so screaming?

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<v Speaker 3>I probably would be like, no, he didn't go until

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<v Speaker 3>all that details. You do see them year after year,

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<v Speaker 3>you're like, hey, what's up to you again, And they

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<v Speaker 3>like to hang out in the same areas for the most.

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<v Speaker 2>Part, so it's not like they're finding a different rock.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, this is my rock pretty much. You come

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<v Speaker 2>to my rock, shocker, I'm here on this rock again.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like they're going to move to New Jersey

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<v Speaker 2>out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 3>And so for the most part, muscle lizards didn't move

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<v Speaker 3>more than five meters and so we would see lizards

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<v Speaker 3>year after year after year in the same places. I

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<v Speaker 3>look back like five years because my undergrad adviser, George,

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<v Speaker 3>he has been going out to the same site for

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like forty years, so he had all this

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<v Speaker 3>historical data that I could look at and grab onto

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<v Speaker 3>and what do lizards usually eat? Are they out there

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<v Speaker 3>eating mostly bugs? So again it depends on the species.

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<v Speaker 3>But like the lizards that I work with, like they

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<v Speaker 3>eat like small insects.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they do the thing where they throw their tongue

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<v Speaker 2>out or no? Is that just chameleons?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, sure if it's just chamelions.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a chameleon a lizard?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, just one of those where I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got these foldable toes, you know, it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>its toes are like a peda pocket. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, man, maybe it's not even a lizard.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, it's totally a lizard. It seems like a.

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<v Speaker 2>Souped up lizard because it's like a curly tail. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>weird toes, Yes, I change colors, and I have a

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<v Speaker 2>telescopic tongue, Like it's got cone eyes. Why did a

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<v Speaker 2>chameleon get all these features, got lucky, yes man? Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Side note. I tried to research this and types of

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<v Speaker 2>lizard tongues was turning up relatively little. Then I tried

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<v Speaker 2>to get fancier searching for lingual morphology in lizard species,

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<v Speaker 2>and I found this paper, Evolution and Function of Lingual

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<v Speaker 2>Shape in Lizards with emphasis on elongation, extensibility, and chemical sampling.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was more about sniffing. More on that later,

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<v Speaker 2>So then I went on a chameleon deep dive and

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<v Speaker 2>I had to hold onto my butt for the info

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<v Speaker 2>that came next. So Number one, chameleons tongues can be

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<v Speaker 2>up to twice the length of their bodies, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>made of bone and tendon and elastic tissue, folded like

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<v Speaker 2>an accordion, and then they stretch it back like a

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<v Speaker 2>bow and then they flick that thing out accelerating you

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<v Speaker 2>ready for this car buff people from zero to sixty

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<v Speaker 2>and one to one hundredths of a second. There are

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<v Speaker 2>over two hundred species of chameleons, and there are some

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<v Speaker 2>they're so that they can sit on the tip of

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<v Speaker 2>a match, which I hope they only do for nacchio

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<v Speaker 2>photo ops because imagine sitting on a giant ball of

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<v Speaker 2>highly flammable explosives, just so people could get an idea

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<v Speaker 2>of like how much you weigh nightmares on nightmares? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but to summarize, these little buddies are native to Africa, Madagascar,

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<v Speaker 2>Sri Lanka, Southern Europe, and they have prehensile, curly tails

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<v Speaker 2>that can grab stuff. They have swively eyes with cone

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<v Speaker 2>shaped lids that can move independently from each other, and

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<v Speaker 2>they can switch from monocular to binocular vision when they

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<v Speaker 2>need it. They can change their skin color by moving

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<v Speaker 2>the spaces between pigment crystals under their skin. Certain chameleons

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<v Speaker 2>have bones that glow under UV light. And yes, their

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<v Speaker 2>toes face each other and this is called zagodactyl. In

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<v Speaker 2>case you're ever playing scrabble and you have a Z

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<v Speaker 2>and two ys, I thought, damn, these lizards must be

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<v Speaker 2>the newest models on the market. But they've identified species

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<v Speaker 2>around sixty million years old. They may be up to

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred million years old, so they have some special features.

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<v Speaker 2>But how do other lizards eat? Do they just order

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<v Speaker 2>pizzas and keep up on life.

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<v Speaker 3>So a lot of times some lizards they kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like are sitting weight predators, so they'll just like, hmmm,

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<v Speaker 3>I see you run up and then go back to

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<v Speaker 3>where they were preached.

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<v Speaker 2>So they'll just use locomotion to go in and catch

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<v Speaker 2>a fly or whatever. Yeah, and now do you have

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<v Speaker 2>to see if their diets changing year to year, like

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<v Speaker 2>if there's different insects or they're they're hungry, or one

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<v Speaker 2>year and then another.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was looking at if they were eating emerging

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<v Speaker 3>aquatic insects out of streams, because no one has actually

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<v Speaker 3>looked at whether like their food sources are purely terrestrial

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<v Speaker 3>or if they're any aquatic ones. And so because of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, climate change and stream drying and drought and

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<v Speaker 3>all that, I was like, well, if they're eating these

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<v Speaker 3>aquatic insects and they're important, then you know they could

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<v Speaker 3>be negatively impacted when these streams go away.

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<v Speaker 2>So how does she figure out what wild lizards are eating. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>she sequences their poop. They're not using it anymore, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>she might as well. She figured this is the same

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<v Speaker 2>technique they use with lions and tigers and bears. Oh my,

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<v Speaker 2>So we were in the middle of talking about poop

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<v Speaker 2>and I got distracted by something on my porch. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lizard on the pole.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, see that pole. I swear I didn't hallucinate, but there.

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<v Speaker 3>Was a big western.

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<v Speaker 2>Fence lizard on that pole.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe it went on the other side. I believe you.

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<v Speaker 2>I got so excited and ducked out of you. It

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<v Speaker 2>was there though, it was taunting us. So you figure,

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<v Speaker 2>if you can do it with big.

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<v Speaker 3>Cats, why not People have like the DNA sequences of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, aquatic insects. So if they have it and

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<v Speaker 3>then I have the poop, and then the DNA is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be in the poop boom, only makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think you're the first person to analyze lizard poop?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the most beautiful lizard?

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<v Speaker 3>The most beautiful lizard? Well, for me, it's gonna have

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<v Speaker 3>to like slappers share by y'all. Spiny lizard has a

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<v Speaker 3>very special place in my heart really always be, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>my favorite, the most beautiful to me, Yeah, because it

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<v Speaker 3>was just like once that was like the main species

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<v Speaker 3>that I worked with, like during my undergrad and so

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<v Speaker 3>like for me, it's just like a symbol of like

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<v Speaker 3>the world opening mm hmmm, like I did it and

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<v Speaker 3>like that was like my whole new world because I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, I didn't know that this was like a

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<v Speaker 3>thing that I could do, and now I do, and

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<v Speaker 3>you're now my special lizard.

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<v Speaker 2>Quick aside, So the yarrow spiny lizard goes by scaloporous

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<v Speaker 2>euro v informal occasions and it is quite a stunner.

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<v Speaker 2>Their backs can have an orange glow, kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>an edison bulb in a good first date bar, and

421
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<v Speaker 2>its tail has this gray ombre that fades into this

422
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<v Speaker 2>brilliant turquoise color. It's so gorgeous. It's the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>blue you would see in pictures of like shallow tropical

424
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<v Speaker 2>waters in instagram vacation photos of a person that you hate.

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<v Speaker 2>Follow Aaron explains.

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<v Speaker 3>What do they look like? So they are a mediumish

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<v Speaker 3>sized lizard. The males get these nice blue patches on

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<v Speaker 3>their stomachs and on the other side of their stomachs

429
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<v Speaker 3>and on their throat. They can get like really like

430
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<v Speaker 3>brilliant like oranges colors on their back and blue and

431
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<v Speaker 3>like there's they're a little variable, but they're really pretty

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<v Speaker 3>and especially in the sunlight.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think they have those blue patches? What

434
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<v Speaker 2>do you what does that sir, what purpose so mating?

435
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<v Speaker 3>And to show you know whose boss? Don't come over

436
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<v Speaker 3>in my territory. I am the big bat male. You

437
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<v Speaker 3>see how dark this blue is? You see it? You

438
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<v Speaker 3>see it?

439
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<v Speaker 2>Go away? Really, you're like, unless you're a female, in

440
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<v Speaker 2>which case, come closer.

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there any truth to the flim flam that if

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<v Speaker 2>you rub a lizard on its stomach it'll get like

444
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<v Speaker 2>so entranced you can just hang out with it for

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<v Speaker 2>a minute.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I mean once you catch it. It's just I

447
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<v Speaker 3>mean sometimes they're gonna like try to bite you, and

448
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<v Speaker 3>then some of them are just like, well this is

449
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<v Speaker 3>the end. I'm just gonna sit here now.

450
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<v Speaker 2>They're like you got me, like game over pretty much.

451
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<v Speaker 2>But really you just mark them and then let them

452
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<v Speaker 2>go again. Right, Yeah, so it's kind of a happy ending, right.

453
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're live. Still, they're live. Something. They might be

454
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<v Speaker 3>missing a couple of toads.

455
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<v Speaker 2>But and now you have a poodle. You don't have

456
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<v Speaker 2>any pet lizards? No, okay, what do you think about

457
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<v Speaker 2>pet lizards?

458
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<v Speaker 3>As long as you know how to care for them

459
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<v Speaker 3>and you do so properly, and you are not getting

460
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<v Speaker 3>any illegal pets or things that are bringing disease because

461
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<v Speaker 3>you went through a person or a company that is

462
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<v Speaker 3>just like, well, we're just gonna grab up these lizards

463
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<v Speaker 3>and send them around. So as long as you do

464
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<v Speaker 3>it responsible, then I don't see any issue with it.

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<v Speaker 3>So also, don't get like a baby iguana and then

466
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<v Speaker 3>let it loose in the backyard when it gets ugly, exactly. Yeah,

467
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<v Speaker 3>because like like shelters do take lizards. You have an

468
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<v Speaker 3>unconventional pet and you don't want it anymore and you're

469
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<v Speaker 3>worried about getting rid of it, you can take it

470
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<v Speaker 3>to the shelter. They'll take it. They'll take your middle

471
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<v Speaker 3>aged scally iguana.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know. I do feel like everyone gets a

473
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<v Speaker 2>baby iguana and then they're like, oh right, this thing's

474
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<v Speaker 2>gonna live here right yeah with me ps Florida, you

475
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<v Speaker 2>are overrun with iguanas right now. So the green iguana

476
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<v Speaker 2>in particular has just flourished after folks who got them

477
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<v Speaker 2>as pets in the eighties bailed and let them loose

478
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<v Speaker 2>in the bushes. And then more hurricanes that we're having

479
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<v Speaker 2>recently blew them over from some distant lands, and then

480
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<v Speaker 2>also global warming just keeping Florida nice and toasty. So

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<v Speaker 2>what is the problem with having eighty feral iguanas in

482
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<v Speaker 2>your yard. I'm glad you asked. South Florida residents do

483
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<v Speaker 2>not enjoy swimming pools felled with guana turts, which can

484
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<v Speaker 2>also carry salmonilla. Also, iguanas can grow to be five

485
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<v Speaker 2>feet long. They love to eat gardens, and they also

486
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<v Speaker 2>like to eat power lines, meaning sometimes there are power

487
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<v Speaker 2>outages because iguanas have eaten the power lines. Sometimes they

488
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<v Speaker 2>turn up in people's toilets. It sounds like an iguana party,

489
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<v Speaker 2>but the state's not into it.

490
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<v Speaker 3>So what is a Florida to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? The Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission released the directive

492
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<v Speaker 2>a few months ago that people can and should kill them,

493
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<v Speaker 2>quote whenever possible. Did this lead to a Florida man

494
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<v Speaker 2>iguana hunting but shooting his neighbor's pool guy on accident, Yes,

495
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<v Speaker 2>yes it did, non fatally, but still so the Fish

496
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<v Speaker 2>Commission had to release another statement just a few weeks ago,

497
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<v Speaker 2>saying kill them humanely. I eat quickly, preferably with a

498
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<v Speaker 2>bow and arrow or traps or a rock, and try

499
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<v Speaker 2>not to shoot each other. Essentially, now another option, eat them.

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<v Speaker 2>Locals apparently refer to iguanas as boyoste arbalas or chicken

501
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<v Speaker 2>of the trees, and historically they're a menu item in

502
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<v Speaker 2>Western Mexico people eat iguanas all the time, so Sunshine

503
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<v Speaker 2>Staters are like, why the hell not. Florida Sun Sentinel

504
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<v Speaker 2>published a helpful video on how to cook and fashion

505
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<v Speaker 2>these local pests into burritos. The meat is lean, the

506
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<v Speaker 2>protein contents high, and reports are it has a body

507
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<v Speaker 2>like a rabbit with a bony, fishy kind of tail,

508
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<v Speaker 2>but tastes like chicken.

509
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<v Speaker 3>Is this chicken what I have? Or is this fish?

510
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<v Speaker 2>What are some flim flammeries about lizards that you feel

511
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<v Speaker 2>like myths that you would like to bust.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not slimy, for one, and for the most part,

513
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<v Speaker 3>they're not gonna hurt you. They want to be left alone.

514
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<v Speaker 3>Like if you see a lizard, there's no need to

515
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<v Speaker 3>be afraid. They're not scary.

516
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<v Speaker 2>Are there people who are afraid of lizards?

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<v Speaker 3>There are people, like I counter lots of people who

518
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<v Speaker 3>are afraid of lizards, and I get it. But then

519
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<v Speaker 3>it's just like, but it's a lizard. It doesn't want

520
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<v Speaker 3>to bother you. It just wants to eat the bugs

521
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:05.359
<v Speaker 3>mine here.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems like a great thing to have in your house. Like, hey,

523
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<v Speaker 2>if you find a lizard in your house, should you

524
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<v Speaker 2>just let it hang out or should you escort it outside?

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<v Speaker 3>You should probably escort it outside because it might not

526
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:17.359
<v Speaker 3>be enough bugs in your house for it to lift

527
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:21.200
<v Speaker 3>off of and need some water sources. And it probably

528
00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:23.480
<v Speaker 3>got in there by accident. It probably was hanging out

529
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<v Speaker 3>on the door and you open the door and it

530
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<v Speaker 3>got scared, and so like it just went inside by accident.

531
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<v Speaker 3>It probably wants to go back outside.

532
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So don't keep it as your like personal extermination service. Yeah,

533
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:39.440
<v Speaker 2>I could see having just like a house gecko that

534
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<v Speaker 2>you're like, get it, get it.

535
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:43.079
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's a mosquito. Get it.

536
00:27:43.400 --> 00:27:46.599
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about Aaron's viral Twitter game that runs on

537
00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Wednesdays called hashtag Find Lizard. So part of the reason

538
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:54.559
<v Speaker 2>we went lizard hunting is that I'm obsessed with fine

539
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:57.680
<v Speaker 2>that lizard, and I wanted to experience it with its creator.

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<v Speaker 3>Boy, howdy was it? Damn throw I see im.

541
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<v Speaker 2>He's just chilling out. I can't believe I didn't bring

542
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<v Speaker 2>my phone to take a picture. This would be a

543
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:10.200
<v Speaker 2>good find that lizard. He's playing with.

544
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<v Speaker 3>Us I figured it would want to be in something

545
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<v Speaker 3>like this because it's easy, though half somewhere to hide,

546
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:19.480
<v Speaker 3>and it's also pretty decent to get some sun.

547
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you've made finding a lizard like seeing a celebrity

548
00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:26.640
<v Speaker 2>in the grocery store, you know what I mean? So

549
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:31.799
<v Speaker 2>you have you've taken over my Wednesdays yea with find

550
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:34.880
<v Speaker 2>that Lizard? Yeah, hashtag find that lizard. It's my favorite

551
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:37.839
<v Speaker 2>thing to do on the internet. You and Kate swift

552
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:41.359
<v Speaker 2>Crow or no, It's like Wednesdays of the Best. Oh

553
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:43.680
<v Speaker 2>and then who's poop is? This is also another fun game?

554
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:46.960
<v Speaker 2>But find that lizard? I like, wait until it's five

555
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:50.519
<v Speaker 2>o'clock Central time, it's gonna go up. I know I've

556
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:52.359
<v Speaker 2>got a couple hours to find the lizard. Yeah, how

557
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:54.960
<v Speaker 2>did you start this? And why is it taken over

558
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<v Speaker 2>my brain?

559
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<v Speaker 3>So I just posted a picture one day because I

560
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<v Speaker 3>was I was upset. Well, I wasn't upset. I was

561
00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:08.920
<v Speaker 3>just you know, energized, Like I was just you know,

562
00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:11.480
<v Speaker 3>really hot in the moment because I was I was

563
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:13.440
<v Speaker 3>trying to catch this lizard and she was giving me

564
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:16.880
<v Speaker 3>like a really good chase, and she almost got away,

565
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:19.200
<v Speaker 3>and it's like I was about to give up, and

566
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<v Speaker 3>then I looked back. I was like, am I really

567
00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:23.240
<v Speaker 3>going to give up on catching this lizard today? And

568
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:25.359
<v Speaker 3>then I saw it. I saw her and she was

569
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:28.480
<v Speaker 3>in this tree, and I was like, I almost missed her.

570
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:31.200
<v Speaker 3>Her camouflage was so good, but she was a recapture.

571
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<v Speaker 3>So she had this bright orange five on her back

572
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:36.799
<v Speaker 3>because I had already marked her, and so I was like,

573
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:38.960
<v Speaker 3>if it wasn't for this five on her back, I

574
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:41.839
<v Speaker 3>would have missed her. Look guys. And then people were like,

575
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:45.240
<v Speaker 3>I know you said she has a mark, but I

576
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:49.880
<v Speaker 3>don't see her, and so I was like really, and

577
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:51.599
<v Speaker 3>then they were and then people were just like, yeah,

578
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:54.240
<v Speaker 3>this is fun. I think it gets their competitive nature

579
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<v Speaker 3>going because they're just like, there's not a lizard in

580
00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:59.960
<v Speaker 3>this photo, and I'm like, there is, and they're like,

581
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<v Speaker 3>don't you touch that phone, don't you take.

582
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<v Speaker 2>I'm still looking. I'm still looking for the lizard. Do

583
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.039
<v Speaker 2>you have your phone on you? So when you're in

584
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:11.640
<v Speaker 2>the field, you see a lizard and before you advance

585
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:13.160
<v Speaker 2>on the lizard, you're like, I gotta get a picture this.

586
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:15.079
<v Speaker 2>No one's gonna be able to see this lizard. Yeah,

587
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:19.200
<v Speaker 2>I totally do that. How many do you have in

588
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<v Speaker 2>a backlog, because I want to know that, like we're

589
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<v Speaker 2>covered for a long time with this fifty two, at

590
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<v Speaker 2>least please.

591
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<v Speaker 3>You go to week Sometimes sometimes I do, yeah, until

592
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:35.279
<v Speaker 3>I make this podcast. Pretty much, it's just like, well

593
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<v Speaker 3>if I can, if I'm in the space and I

594
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:40.039
<v Speaker 3>can get a bunch of pictures, I will like there

595
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:43.160
<v Speaker 3>has to be some because like I recently had to

596
00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:46.160
<v Speaker 3>upgrade my storage with iCloud because they're like, yeah, you

597
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:48.920
<v Speaker 3>have too many pictures. Well, I'm not deleting anything right

598
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.880
<v Speaker 3>now because I don't know if I have any good

599
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:54.599
<v Speaker 3>ones in here. But I also probably have thousands of

600
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<v Speaker 3>pictures with no lizards in them.

601
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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, is that because you thought you saw a lizard

602
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<v Speaker 2>or like I.

603
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:01.680
<v Speaker 3>Was about to, like I pressed the button, but as

604
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:05.640
<v Speaker 3>soon as I press the button, it moves or ran away,

605
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.480
<v Speaker 3>you know. So like I spend a lot of time

606
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:11.079
<v Speaker 3>going through pictures looking for lizards that aren't there.

607
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:14.839
<v Speaker 2>But that's what I love about the game is you

608
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:17.640
<v Speaker 2>at first glanced, you're like, there's absolutely no way that

609
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:19.200
<v Speaker 2>there's a lizard in this, and then when you find

610
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:23.640
<v Speaker 2>the lizard, it's such a triumph, and then it makes

611
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:27.079
<v Speaker 2>you appreciate the lizard and how much evolution went into

612
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:31.640
<v Speaker 2>that kind of camouflage. Yeah. Do you feel like hashtag

613
00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:35.160
<v Speaker 2>find that lizard has gotten people more stoked about lizards?

614
00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:38.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like people have told me that it's made them

615
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:40.640
<v Speaker 3>like more interested in lizards and made them think that

616
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:45.039
<v Speaker 3>it's cool, and I'm just like, yes, it's are cool. Yes,

617
00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:47.359
<v Speaker 3>it's a cool What.

618
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Is it about kind of the predator prey relationship where

619
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:55.240
<v Speaker 2>they're so hard to spot, but you have to listen

620
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:57.000
<v Speaker 2>for the rustle or you have to see this little

621
00:31:57.039 --> 00:31:59.480
<v Speaker 2>flicker of movement. Like are they pray for a lot

622
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:01.000
<v Speaker 2>of animal m Yeah.

623
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they pray for pretty much everything bigger than them,

624
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:09.200
<v Speaker 3>even like other lizards, like lizards will eat lizards, snakes

625
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:12.799
<v Speaker 3>will eat lizards, small mammals will eat lizards, large mammals

626
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<v Speaker 3>will eat lizards. You're eating the lizards. Everything eats lizards,

627
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<v Speaker 3>so they have to play for the long game.

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<v Speaker 2>They're kind of the sandwich of the natural world like us.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, everyone's like, you take a lizard.

630
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, sure. My undergrad advisor calls baby lizards ecological popcorn

631
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<v Speaker 3>because everybody just snaps them up, just you know, a

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<v Speaker 3>handful lot of time.

633
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<v Speaker 2>Now, where are lizards having their babies, because I'm picturing

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<v Speaker 2>the desert and or like rocky ground and are they

635
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<v Speaker 2>having clutches nests?

636
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<v Speaker 3>So it depends on species. Okay, so some lizards are

637
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<v Speaker 3>live bears, so they'll just you know, pick a spot

638
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<v Speaker 3>and pop them out. And then other lizards they lay

639
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<v Speaker 3>eggs and so then they're well, the vast majority of

640
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<v Speaker 3>lizards lay eggs, but some of them give life birth.

641
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<v Speaker 3>But so they'll squappers frigate us. The strip plateau lizards

642
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<v Speaker 3>will wait until like it rains and when the ground

643
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<v Speaker 3>is nice and soft, and they'll go out and they'll dig,

644
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<v Speaker 3>and then they'll bury their eggs and cover them up

645
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<v Speaker 3>and then U sometimes when you're walking along the trail

646
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<v Speaker 3>and you see all these like scratch marks, it's because

647
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<v Speaker 3>something came by and ate the eggs. They dug them up.

648
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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, that's like ecological jelly beans. I know it's

649
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<v Speaker 2>going to depend on the species. But do some lizards

650
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<v Speaker 2>have like two eggs and some are just like, oh,

651
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<v Speaker 2>I got like fifty babies in here.

652
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<v Speaker 3>I can only really speak for the ones that I study,

653
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<v Speaker 3>and like a lot of times they're popping out a

654
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<v Speaker 3>lot of them. Yeah, because they have to survive the

655
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<v Speaker 3>numbers game. Mm hmm.

656
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<v Speaker 2>Let's stalk big lizards who can regulate temperature more slowly

657
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<v Speaker 2>because of their massed surface area ratio. And for more

658
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<v Speaker 2>on that, get all into body heat fun facts with

659
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:58.359
<v Speaker 2>a null researcher and thermophysiologist, doctor Shane Campbell Staton in

660
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<v Speaker 2>the previous Thermopysiology episode, He's amazing, stupidest question. Alligators? They

661
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<v Speaker 2>are lizards? No, no, thank you for telling me that.

662
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<v Speaker 2>I just realized. I was like, how big does a

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<v Speaker 2>lizard get? Is an alley? Why isn't an alligator a lizard?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, jo? Is it komodo dragon? Maybe the biggest

665
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:19.039
<v Speaker 2>is a kmodo dragon elizard?

666
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<v Speaker 3>They are the biggest. Yeah, they are lizards.

667
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.719
<v Speaker 2>And when you see those those videos of them, like

668
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<v Speaker 2>slow motion eating a deer.

669
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<v Speaker 3>You're like, what is life?

670
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<v Speaker 2>Komodo Dragons by the Bye hail from the Indonesian islands

671
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:34.360
<v Speaker 2>and can get up to ten feet long and weigh

672
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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty pounds. And we'll touch on them

673
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<v Speaker 2>a little later. But I don't mean that literally because

674
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<v Speaker 2>there were none in my backyard, And no, thank you.

675
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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to lay any hands on any one

676
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<v Speaker 2>of those. No way, no how. Side note, I just

677
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:50.320
<v Speaker 2>looked it up and there is a place in Jakarta where,

678
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<v Speaker 2>according to trip Advisor user Goldie six from Ohio quote

679
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<v Speaker 2>the Komodo Dragon building was gorgeous and for a little

680
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:01.639
<v Speaker 2>extra you can touch a live, well fed Komodo dragon

681
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<v Speaker 2>for the thrill of a lifetime. GOLDI sis here from America.

682
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Isn't life here thrillingly scary enough? Anyway? We're going to

683
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<v Speaker 2>get to your Patreon questions, but before that, a few

684
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685
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<v Speaker 2>week to donate to a cause of the ologists choosing,

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<v Speaker 2>and this week Aaron picked the Doris Duke Conservation Scholars

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<v Speaker 2>you can visit Doris Duke Conservation scholars dot org.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, some words.

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<v Speaker 2>About the sponsors who are making that donation possible. Okay,

694
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<v Speaker 2>back to your questions. I have some Patreon questions may

695
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<v Speaker 2>I ask you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's get into it.

697
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<v Speaker 2>Some people submitted several questions themselves, like some people, I

698
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<v Speaker 2>have five questions about lizards, and I'm gonna submit them all.

699
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Bethany Sispanskey a lot of disease in that.

700
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<v Speaker 3>Just saying wow took me a minute figure.

701
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<v Speaker 2>Out how to say that. Okay, says I've read that

702
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:18.480
<v Speaker 2>western fence lizard blood reduces the prevalence of lime disease

703
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<v Speaker 2>and is any research being done to create a vaccine

704
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<v Speaker 2>based on this? Have you heard about so?

705
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<v Speaker 3>I have actually recently heard about westernlizards being able to

706
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<v Speaker 3>help fight lime disease. I know absolutely nothing about it

707
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:35.920
<v Speaker 3>besides that that is a real and actual thing. Okay.

708
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<v Speaker 2>Side note, When lime infected nymph ticks feed on Western

709
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:44.360
<v Speaker 2>fence lizards, a certain percentage become lime free as adult tics.

710
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:46.559
<v Speaker 2>And this was first discovered in nineteen ninety eight by

711
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:50.880
<v Speaker 2>UC Berkeley entomologist Robert Layton, and a certain protein in

712
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:55.280
<v Speaker 2>these blessed beautiful blue bellied baby's blood kills the lime

713
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:58.239
<v Speaker 2>spier key bacteria. For more on this, you can see

714
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:01.840
<v Speaker 2>the Acarology and Disease zse Ecology episodes, which are out

715
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:04.000
<v Speaker 2>a few months ago, and by sea I mean here,

716
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.280
<v Speaker 2>and in no time you're going to be lovingly screaming

717
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.400
<v Speaker 2>at your loved ones to check their crevices, and you

718
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:13.559
<v Speaker 2>should check yours also, So don't need a Western fenciler.

719
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<v Speaker 2>Let them go out and do their work exactly. Jude

720
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<v Speaker 2>Kenny wants to know if a lizard loses its tail,

721
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<v Speaker 2>does it grow back? If so, can this be made

722
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:25.440
<v Speaker 2>to happen in other animals by some kind of genetic

723
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:29.559
<v Speaker 2>engineering in crystal? Mendoza says, this question, please ask this one.

724
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<v Speaker 2>So who else wanted to know about lizard tales? Like

725
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:35.480
<v Speaker 2>all of you, because it's a good question. But by

726
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:39.039
<v Speaker 2>all of you, I mean specifically Andreas, Ari, Richard Gents,

727
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:44.239
<v Speaker 2>lizard lover and first time question asker, Jennifer Alvarez, James Irvine, B. Wilson,

728
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:48.559
<v Speaker 2>Shannon Snyman, Carolina, and Peter Dupuy Junior.

729
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<v Speaker 3>So what is it about the tail?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, okay, I'll make another one.

731
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<v Speaker 3>I do not know what exact mechanisms that like tell

732
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<v Speaker 3>the lizard's body to start regenerating a tail, but they

733
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:04.559
<v Speaker 3>totally can. The idea is that they have vertebrae along

734
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<v Speaker 3>the tail and at certain sections it will just break

735
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<v Speaker 3>and so that way it just it just pops off

736
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<v Speaker 3>and so that the tail will still be moving and

737
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<v Speaker 3>hopefully it will distract whatever predator has grabbed the lizard

738
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<v Speaker 3>and then that the lizard itself can run away. And

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea if people are looking into like

740
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<v Speaker 3>using it for other things like for people or whatnot,

741
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<v Speaker 3>but I would assume that someone at some point has

742
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<v Speaker 3>actually looked into this.

743
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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if you could just crisper yourself a tail,

744
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<v Speaker 2>You're like, you know what I'd like, I'd like to

745
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<v Speaker 2>just grow a tail today is Danielle Rivera wants to

746
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<v Speaker 2>know why are parthenogenic lizards so cool? Parentheses? They are

747
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:50.679
<v Speaker 2>so cool? So wants to know they I guess can

748
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<v Speaker 2>they just make more lizards without a mate?

749
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<v Speaker 3>Yes? You know, sometimes when you don't meet men, it's

750
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<v Speaker 3>just it's just the cool thing.

751
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<v Speaker 2>You know.

752
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:04.760
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes you want things done and you want it done

753
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<v Speaker 3>your way, and that means that nobody else is involved,

754
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:08.639
<v Speaker 3>but you.

755
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Maybe their career lizards. Yeah, like, I'm not gonna wait around.

756
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<v Speaker 3>Are they clones or are they a mash up? They're clones?

757
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<v Speaker 2>They are? Yeah, my gosh. I wonder if they're all

758
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:25.000
<v Speaker 2>named like Sharon, Shana Shara. I knew someone whose family

759
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:28.679
<v Speaker 2>was all named like Cheryl and Shannon Shana, Like just

760
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<v Speaker 2>name them all after you.

761
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<v Speaker 3>You're like, see, yah, that's cool. Does that happen when.

762
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe there aren't resources or there aren't males, or does

763
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<v Speaker 2>that just happen because like time's right now is good?

764
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<v Speaker 3>So I was looking this up for some whiptail species,

765
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<v Speaker 3>especially the ones that you can find, and so they're

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<v Speaker 3>in Arizona. And it happens when one closely related species

767
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<v Speaker 3>mates with another closely related species and then the babies

768
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<v Speaker 3>they produce ends up being parthenogenic.

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<v Speaker 2>I started reading some research papers on this, but I

770
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<v Speaker 2>want to give hardcore props to the Wikipedia page titled

771
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<v Speaker 2>parthenogenesis in Squamata, which sounds like actual gibberish verbal coals law,

772
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<v Speaker 2>but once you know, parthen genesis means literally virgin birth

773
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<v Speaker 2>aka all the single ladies, and squamata means snakes and lizards.

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<v Speaker 2>Squata means scale and Latin, so one species of snake,

775
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<v Speaker 2>but fifty species of lizard roughly undergo obligate parthenogenesis, and

776
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<v Speaker 2>that means that's the only.

777
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<v Speaker 3>Way they do it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how they reproduce, and then there's an unknown number

779
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<v Speaker 2>that mostly do it when there just aren't dudes around,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's called facultative parthenogenesis. I think that is how

781
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<v Speaker 2>you say it. Also, apparently busting out children solo can

782
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<v Speaker 2>benefit reptiles. If they say wash ashore on an island,

783
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<v Speaker 2>they find themselves dudeless. And while the whiptail lizards are

784
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<v Speaker 2>all clones of their mothers and no males even exist,

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<v Speaker 2>other virgin lizard birth can happen as full clones of

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<v Speaker 2>the mother or have clones if she mixes up her

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<v Speaker 2>own DNA into different alleles. But what if they are

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<v Speaker 2>of the clone variety.

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<v Speaker 3>Once they have the cloning ability, it's parthenogenic, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Party a part of the party. Yeah, just all the

791
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<v Speaker 3>guests look identical, right, I would like to attend that

792
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<v Speaker 3>lizardly clone party and just be a gawking wallflower. Speaking

793
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<v Speaker 3>of clinging to walls, this next one about magic lizard

794
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<v Speaker 3>feet was also asked by Sarah clips.

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick McNeely wants to know how do lizards stick and

796
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<v Speaker 2>climb on vertical surfaces so easily when they are relatively large?

797
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<v Speaker 2>So I think these are some vanderwall forces, right, How

798
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<v Speaker 2>are they climbing things?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, some lizards, you know, if they have their claws,

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<v Speaker 3>they can just you know, get up there with their class.

801
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<v Speaker 3>But then with things like geckos, but they have like

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<v Speaker 3>these little anybody things that allow them to like grip

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<v Speaker 3>on you know, the little bitty molecules, like we feel

804
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<v Speaker 3>like the solid wall, whereas they have like, oh, there's

805
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<v Speaker 3>like these little dents on this solid wall, and I

806
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<v Speaker 3>can grip on them because I have all these little

807
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know exactly what they are, but I have

808
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<v Speaker 3>all these little things on the pads.

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<v Speaker 2>That So that's how those intermolecular forces are working. That's vannerwal.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I never understood that before. So I did a little digging,

812
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<v Speaker 2>and apparently gecko's feet are covered in fine hairs called seti,

813
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<v Speaker 2>and then each of those is freighted at the end

814
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<v Speaker 2>like an old rope, giving their feets billions of little

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<v Speaker 2>bristles called spatulai. So gecko's feet are just a fuzz factory,

816
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<v Speaker 2>and the Vanderwall's forces a kind of physical bond via

817
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:44.960
<v Speaker 2>electrostatic attraction between those hairs and the little contours, and

818
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<v Speaker 2>the wall keeps them looking glued to it when the

819
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<v Speaker 2>surface is super slick or those hairs get covered is

820
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<v Speaker 2>when their wall walking starts to Weanhe and I read

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<v Speaker 2>that a single gecko crawling on a ceiling could support

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<v Speaker 2>ninety pounds of weight, and one biologist who studied how

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<v Speaker 2>the precise angles of those hairs help the geckos switch

824
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<v Speaker 2>the forces on and off. Someone named Keller Autumn is

825
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<v Speaker 2>quoted as saying geckos are vastly over engineered. They're overqualified

826
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<v Speaker 2>for their wall walking, they're too good at it. And

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere there's a chameleon raising its icones like a bitch

828
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<v Speaker 2>and muttering yeah, yeah, I guess an invisibility cloak isn't

829
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<v Speaker 2>enough anymore. Also, I fear a dystopia where robots can

830
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<v Speaker 2>climb walls and disappear into their surroundings and flick a wet,

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<v Speaker 2>sticky muscle thirty feet to catch things. So for now,

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<v Speaker 2>just make like a happy witch. Appreciate that you were

833
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:39.920
<v Speaker 2>born at cricket. Can you imagine that would suck? This

834
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:42.360
<v Speaker 2>is a good question. Mark Turner asked, what's the purpose

835
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:43.360
<v Speaker 2>of the forked tongue?

836
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:49.320
<v Speaker 3>So it is sensory again back to surface area. But

837
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:52.599
<v Speaker 3>it's like if you have more space to have more

838
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:58.280
<v Speaker 3>of those things to collect scent chemicals on your tongue,

839
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:00.000
<v Speaker 3>and then you can bring it back up to like

840
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:03.639
<v Speaker 3>there's a little thing right here in the face where

841
00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:07.239
<v Speaker 3>they can put the tongue and then it analyzes like

842
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.639
<v Speaker 3>the chemicals and lets them know things about the environment.

843
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:11.480
<v Speaker 3>There's a whole name for it, and I learned it

844
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:14.039
<v Speaker 3>in class, and I just don't remember. I'm sorry, doctor Korpowski.

845
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:17.519
<v Speaker 3>You definitely explained it to me, but I remember what

846
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:20.360
<v Speaker 3>you were talking about. This is what asides are for.

847
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:25.480
<v Speaker 2>So this organ is called a vomaro nasal organ or

848
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:29.599
<v Speaker 2>a Jacobsons organ, which sounds less like vomiting and is

849
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:32.840
<v Speaker 2>easier to pronounce. A Jacobsen's organ is there for lizards

850
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:35.239
<v Speaker 2>to jam their air samplings into the roof of their

851
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:37.360
<v Speaker 2>mouth so that they can figure out what's in the air.

852
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Don't you wish you had a vomaro nasal organ. Don't worry,

853
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:44.760
<v Speaker 2>we do. Scientists just think it's hanging out and we

854
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:47.199
<v Speaker 2>don't really use it. But elephants use theirs, and so

855
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:49.320
<v Speaker 2>do a bunch of other animals. But we don't care

856
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:52.199
<v Speaker 2>about those other animals. We care about lizards. So It's

857
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:54.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of like putting a broom out there. Like the

858
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:57.480
<v Speaker 2>more bristles you have, the more information you can collect.

859
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's cool, Christina Weaver. Want you know what makes

860
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:02.480
<v Speaker 2>it komodo dragon's bite so terrible?

861
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:04.519
<v Speaker 3>They have a big head with a whole lot of

862
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:08.000
<v Speaker 3>sharp teeth, and then they also have venom glands and

863
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:11.599
<v Speaker 3>they will inject you with venom and it's nasty stuff.

864
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Really, Yeah, what is that? Is that to kind of

865
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:16.400
<v Speaker 2>paralyze prey or to stone it.

866
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:19.920
<v Speaker 3>After a while you will start to get paralyzed, but uh,

867
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:23.440
<v Speaker 3>it basically starts breaking down your body from the inside.

868
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Yeah, that's effective. What are those big

869
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.880
<v Speaker 2>old drooly things that they've got? Is that drool or

870
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:33.599
<v Speaker 2>do they have sensory organs? You know sometimes you watch

871
00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:35.960
<v Speaker 2>like a Komodo dragon in slow motion and it's.

872
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:39.559
<v Speaker 3>Just like stuff coming down like dingle dangles. Yeah, that's true. Nice.

873
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:46.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh that drool is it's stink over whitey, I would assume.

874
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:49.199
<v Speaker 3>So hopefully one day I'll get close enough to find out,

875
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:51.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, like close enough whereas like a cool thing,

876
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:53.639
<v Speaker 3>but not close enough where they're gonna eat my face.

877
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:56.920
<v Speaker 3>Maybe a sleepy one a sleeping dragon.

878
00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:01.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean compared to fire breathing dragon venom and drool,

879
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:01.719
<v Speaker 2>isn't that bad?

880
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:02.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

881
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:06.039
<v Speaker 2>You know, quick aside on komodo dragon drool. So for

882
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:08.599
<v Speaker 2>decades it was thought that the bacteria in their mouths

883
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:11.760
<v Speaker 2>acted as a venom and that was what was killing

884
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:15.920
<v Speaker 2>their prey, before researchers realized, oh no, it's just actual

885
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:18.079
<v Speaker 2>venom they have. They even went so far as to

886
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:21.719
<v Speaker 2>swab and culture komodo dragon mouths and found out that

887
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:25.719
<v Speaker 2>they're relatively clean for an animal that eats a bunch

888
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:29.039
<v Speaker 2>of rotting meat. So their teeth rip apart prey and

889
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:32.639
<v Speaker 2>then their venom toxins lower the prey's blood pressure and

890
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:36.480
<v Speaker 2>prevent clotting so that their victims bleed out, and then

891
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:40.519
<v Speaker 2>they eat their corpses. Now, water buffaloes, when injured, though,

892
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:44.880
<v Speaker 2>they'll go hide and usually in a pool of stagnant water.

893
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:48.719
<v Speaker 2>So why water buffaloes get such terrible infections from a

894
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:51.519
<v Speaker 2>komodo dragon bite. Well, an expert in this Brian Fry

895
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:55.679
<v Speaker 2>and Queensland explained thusly, it's the same as if you

896
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:59.000
<v Speaker 2>dumped a whole bunch of cow dung in your pool

897
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.920
<v Speaker 2>during the peak heat of summer shaved your legs with

898
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:04.559
<v Speaker 2>a very old razor and then went and stood in

899
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.239
<v Speaker 2>the water for a day, says Fry, you'd end up

900
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:10.320
<v Speaker 2>with some very tasty infections. This just makes me want

901
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.639
<v Speaker 2>to hang out with more lizard researchers, and I would

902
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:16.199
<v Speaker 2>also like to hang out with YouTube uploaders Team Hazard

903
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:19.320
<v Speaker 2>Rides again, who filmed a bunch of male Komodo dragons

904
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:22.960
<v Speaker 2>mercilessly slapping each other in the face with their huge tails.

905
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:25.400
<v Speaker 3>Each lizard is really.

906
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Like it had just had a skinny margarita tossed in

907
00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:31.440
<v Speaker 2>its face on a yacht. But please enjoy their wonderful,

908
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:33.519
<v Speaker 2>delicate moment in Dad punnery.

909
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh sorry, whoa knockdown dragon down fight? He knockdown dragon fight?

910
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Is that what you were going for?

911
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Christopher Rujeou wants to know deadliest lizard.

912
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:57.079
<v Speaker 3>I guess as far as venom and stuff goes like

913
00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:02.280
<v Speaker 3>komodo dragons. But it then is also like either the

914
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:06.639
<v Speaker 3>Asian monitor or the now Monitor is between one of

915
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:09.360
<v Speaker 3>those two who are like the most aggressive. I think

916
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:10.960
<v Speaker 3>that those are the ones where they've seen the most

917
00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:13.559
<v Speaker 3>one of those two that they've seen the most deaths with,

918
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:16.920
<v Speaker 3>And that's just like people getting, you know, too close

919
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:19.920
<v Speaker 3>and harassing a lot, like, leave the lizard alone? What

920
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:20.519
<v Speaker 3>do they want?

921
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:22.159
<v Speaker 2>Do they want a selfie with a lizard?

922
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:23.519
<v Speaker 3>Maybe?

923
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Can you eat those big lizards?

924
00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:28.400
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm sure you can eat just about everything,

925
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:31.840
<v Speaker 3>well that you really wanted to. I would. I wouldn't

926
00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:35.159
<v Speaker 3>I personally, I mean, you know, well you actually if

927
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:38.239
<v Speaker 3>I was stuck in stranded somewhere, I might eat a lizard. Yeah,

928
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:41.280
<v Speaker 3>if it's between me and the lizard, I love you,

929
00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:42.159
<v Speaker 3>but I'm.

930
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Sorry if you're naked and afraid enough, like anyone will

931
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.599
<v Speaker 2>eat a lizard. Charlotte Rigue wants to know why do

932
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:52.360
<v Speaker 2>lizards insist on having babies in my ivy plants? Are

933
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:53.519
<v Speaker 2>they going to eat my plants?

934
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:57.800
<v Speaker 3>Probably not. It's probably just a safe space for them

935
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:01.280
<v Speaker 3>where they're just like, hmmm, I can get around here,

936
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:03.679
<v Speaker 3>and then I can hide from stuff, and like you

937
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:06.199
<v Speaker 3>might have some little aphids or something that fits some

938
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:08.800
<v Speaker 3>baby lizard's mouths, and they're just like, this is the

939
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:10.639
<v Speaker 3>perfect place I have my babies. They can hide and

940
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:11.360
<v Speaker 3>they have food.

941
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.119
<v Speaker 2>So Charlotte, just you should be proud that you're such

942
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:17.800
<v Speaker 2>a good host. Yeah, you know, pretty much make yourself

943
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:20.079
<v Speaker 2>at home in my ivy just I left some aphids

944
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:22.960
<v Speaker 2>out in case you and the kids are hungry. James

945
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Irvine says, so many questions, many o's, nine o's. Is

946
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:31.280
<v Speaker 2>it painful when they drop a tail?

947
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:36.679
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it's painful, like the way that

948
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:40.920
<v Speaker 3>we think about pain. I mean, I couldn't even imagine

949
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:43.320
<v Speaker 3>what that would feel like if I had the ability

950
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:46.559
<v Speaker 3>to just like let one of my limbs go, like

951
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:49.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, I would feel like it probably would be sore,

952
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:52.079
<v Speaker 3>but I feel like it wouldn't be a whole lot

953
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:53.920
<v Speaker 3>of pain. If it's like one of those things where

954
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:55.960
<v Speaker 3>it's like, this is what it's supposed to do.

955
00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:58.679
<v Speaker 2>Right, you know what I mean? Like, if you've evolved

956
00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:02.239
<v Speaker 2>the ability to drop tail, chances are you've also evolved

957
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:05.679
<v Speaker 2>not a whole lot of really raw bir ndings there.

958
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:08.039
<v Speaker 3>Maybe exactly one of the main points of it is

959
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:11.280
<v Speaker 3>to escape predators and survive. Then it doesn't make that

960
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:13.239
<v Speaker 3>much sense to drop the tail, and then to have

961
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:17.119
<v Speaker 3>that process costs so much trauma that you know it

962
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:19.880
<v Speaker 3>impacts your survival later on. Of course, it's going to

963
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:24.400
<v Speaker 3>be negatively impacted by having to heal it, regrow it,

964
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:26.960
<v Speaker 3>and then not have like as strong as a tail

965
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:29.280
<v Speaker 3>as it did before. But at the same time, it's

966
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:34.400
<v Speaker 3>just like it should be not painful, so painful that

967
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:37.280
<v Speaker 3>you can't keep on living as a lizard who's dropped

968
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:37.639
<v Speaker 3>his tail.

969
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Good point. Side note, I did some digging and yes,

970
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:43.960
<v Speaker 2>all experts seem to agree that it doesn't hurt. But

971
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:46.360
<v Speaker 2>can you imagine if you got in a fight with

972
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:49.639
<v Speaker 2>someone and as a distraction, you just dropped your butt

973
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:52.599
<v Speaker 2>at their feet and then ran and it didn't even hurt.

974
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Another reason why lizards to serve you stopping and physically

975
00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:59.360
<v Speaker 2>saluting them when you see them, like me with a

976
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:03.880
<v Speaker 2>migraine fight anyone. And also, James, everyone wants to know

977
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:08.440
<v Speaker 2>what's with the whole eye blood shooting. Can we talk

978
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:09.199
<v Speaker 2>about horned lizards?

979
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:11.360
<v Speaker 3>But my undergrad advisor, George Menendorsh was one of the

980
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:13.400
<v Speaker 3>people who like did the experiments with them and like

981
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:17.239
<v Speaker 3>grow it that up. And so it's basically they're bursting

982
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:20.119
<v Speaker 3>an eye vessel, a blood vessel in their eye to

983
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:24.079
<v Speaker 3>like shoot the blood and hopefully, you know, get away.

984
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:26.920
<v Speaker 2>And that's just to terrify this shit out of whatever

985
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:27.679
<v Speaker 2>trying to eat them.

986
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:32.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh my god, might also be like a little nasty,

987
00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:34.159
<v Speaker 3>super nasty.

988
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:37.760
<v Speaker 2>It's so hardcore death metal though, where it's like instad

989
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:40.119
<v Speaker 2>just dropping a tail or, I don't know, like having

990
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:42.800
<v Speaker 2>a fan behind their head that comes out. They just

991
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:45.960
<v Speaker 2>burst their own blood vessels and shoot it at somewhere.

992
00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:50.480
<v Speaker 2>That's so respectable. I love that so much. Just google

993
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.079
<v Speaker 2>horned lizard shooting blood from its eyes. If you don't

994
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:57.159
<v Speaker 2>believe me, again, Salute the lizards. Jennifer Alvarez wants to

995
00:51:57.159 --> 00:51:59.960
<v Speaker 2>know do anoles raise their young or stay in past?

996
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:02.760
<v Speaker 2>I saw a dad and nol with a much smaller

997
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:04.840
<v Speaker 2>kid and all the other day and wondered.

998
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:11.119
<v Speaker 3>As far as I know, they don't raise they're young.

999
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:14.920
<v Speaker 3>It might have just been that they were occupying the

1000
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:18.320
<v Speaker 3>same space at the same time, which lizards do sometimes.

1001
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:20.360
<v Speaker 3>So if it's like a lot of times lizards do

1002
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:23.639
<v Speaker 3>get pretty aggressive and territorial, but other times you do

1003
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:26.400
<v Speaker 3>might see a couple right next to each other, especially

1004
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:28.719
<v Speaker 3>if it's like early in the morning and everybody's just

1005
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:30.960
<v Speaker 3>waking up and everybody has to warm up and no

1006
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:34.039
<v Speaker 3>one has the energy to fight just yet, and that

1007
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:34.639
<v Speaker 3>type of thing.

1008
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Where are these lizards sleeping? Are their bunk beds full

1009
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:39.119
<v Speaker 2>of lizards, so.

1010
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:46.800
<v Speaker 3>Yes and no, okay, So like during like the regular season,

1011
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:50.039
<v Speaker 3>so like you're in the winter, the winter is ending,

1012
00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:53.079
<v Speaker 3>spring is coming out, and like you have a hybernacula,

1013
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:56.800
<v Speaker 3>and in this hybernacula is like hundreds of lizards see

1014
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:00.000
<v Speaker 3>and so then like dreams, it starts to get warm,

1015
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:02.960
<v Speaker 3>and everybody's like we're coming out and we're spreading out,

1016
00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:07.159
<v Speaker 3>and like the big you know, dominant lizards are staying

1017
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:09.920
<v Speaker 3>in the closest to the hybernacula, and everybody else is

1018
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:12.519
<v Speaker 3>having to go further and further away in order to

1019
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:15.519
<v Speaker 3>find their own territories. And then they buy new crevices

1020
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:19.079
<v Speaker 3>or something to have their own little houses or whatnot.

1021
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:21.639
<v Speaker 3>And then like friend Knowles stuff that live in trees.

1022
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:23.840
<v Speaker 3>Then it's just like, well, we got to share this

1023
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:28.239
<v Speaker 3>tree and this is this is my spot on the tree,

1024
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:31.400
<v Speaker 3>and you better go to your spot on the tree.

1025
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:34.719
<v Speaker 2>And are they are they overwintering? Are they hibernating?

1026
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:39.760
<v Speaker 3>And Knowles, yeah, they do. Do most lizards hybernate? Yes?

1027
00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Really, so they start to come out like in the spring,

1028
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:44.280
<v Speaker 2>then oh my gosh, I.

1029
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:47.920
<v Speaker 3>Love Like in Tucson, their their period is shorter because

1030
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:50.440
<v Speaker 3>like it's a shorter period of like really cold weather,

1031
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:52.280
<v Speaker 3>so like you'll see them all the way up until

1032
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:56.159
<v Speaker 3>like December, and then they'll go away for a while,

1033
00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:59.000
<v Speaker 3>and then they'll come back out and like the end

1034
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:00.599
<v Speaker 3>of February, beginning of March.

1035
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I love that when we're in the middle of

1036
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:07.840
<v Speaker 2>holiday nuttiness and we're having warm cocoa and wearing mittens.

1037
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:09.639
<v Speaker 2>Just to think of all of these little lizards just

1038
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:16.280
<v Speaker 2>snoozing right like in a big hybernacula, just a big

1039
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:18.960
<v Speaker 2>ball a lizard, right pretty much see in a couple

1040
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:22.440
<v Speaker 2>of months. Brandon Altimos wants to know does parthing genesis

1041
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:25.599
<v Speaker 2>make a species more susceptible to pathogens and other diseases

1042
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:29.760
<v Speaker 2>due to reduced genetic variability compared to sexual reproduction.

1043
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:32.800
<v Speaker 3>Yes, because if everybody is the same and then the

1044
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:35.920
<v Speaker 3>same thing is killing everybody, then no, there's nothing to

1045
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:36.840
<v Speaker 3>protect you from.

1046
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Yep, you're all going down with the shit. You're like, thanks, Mom,

1047
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:42.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm right, and she's like, oh, I know, right, but oh,

1048
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:45.679
<v Speaker 2>poor girl. Katie Shabaz wants to know which lizards make

1049
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:46.480
<v Speaker 2>the best pets.

1050
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:49.119
<v Speaker 3>I have zero knowledge about the pet trait when it

1051
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:49.920
<v Speaker 3>comes to lizards.

1052
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:52.000
<v Speaker 2>I'll ask the internet. I love you all, and I

1053
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:53.760
<v Speaker 2>did not want to leave you gazing out of a

1054
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:56.400
<v Speaker 2>bus window thinking, but what is the best pet lizard?

1055
00:54:56.599 --> 00:54:59.039
<v Speaker 2>So I asked the internet and one site said that

1056
00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:02.079
<v Speaker 2>the leopard get Go is probably the most popular pet

1057
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:05.719
<v Speaker 2>reptile in captivity today. They say these small lizards are

1058
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:09.719
<v Speaker 2>available in a variety of pleasing colors and patterns, their

1059
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:12.800
<v Speaker 2>care requirements are very simple, and they are generally docile.

1060
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Now where did I get this information about best pet lizards?

1061
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:19.840
<v Speaker 2>You ask, well at bestpetlizard dot com. So I'm gonna

1062
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:22.800
<v Speaker 2>reckon they must be either an authority on the matter

1063
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:26.920
<v Speaker 2>or they are just very crafty, deceitful gecko lobbyists. But

1064
00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:30.719
<v Speaker 2>Katie Shavez another patron Sarah Clips did chime in on

1065
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:35.280
<v Speaker 2>the question thread and added crested geckos forever with five

1066
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:37.880
<v Speaker 2>hard eyed emojis. And I think that lends a certain

1067
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:42.280
<v Speaker 2>impassioned authority to her console, which brings us to a

1068
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:45.239
<v Speaker 2>semantics Amanda Ringcon wants to know, Hello, what are the

1069
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:48.480
<v Speaker 2>differences between lizards and geckos? Not all succulents are cacti,

1070
00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:52.800
<v Speaker 2>but all cacti are succulents. Yes, so in this the

1071
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:55.880
<v Speaker 2>cacti is the gecko kind of like toads or frogs.

1072
00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:59.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess you have like different families of lizards.

1073
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:01.159
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that works.

1074
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:03.800
<v Speaker 2>It's all under the lizard umbrella. Rinny Coli asked, I

1075
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:05.639
<v Speaker 2>had a green iguana for a while and she laid

1076
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:08.400
<v Speaker 2>one clutch of eggs while I had her, but she

1077
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:11.159
<v Speaker 2>ate them.

1078
00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Well, I would off the top of my head. I

1079
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:17.519
<v Speaker 3>would just assume that she knows that they weren't flirt

1080
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:19.360
<v Speaker 3>to wise, and so it was like, hm, well, if

1081
00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:21.679
<v Speaker 3>that's energy I put out, I guess there's energy I'm

1082
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:24.840
<v Speaker 3>putting back in instead of just letting them sit there

1083
00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:25.239
<v Speaker 3>and rot.

1084
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:28.679
<v Speaker 2>Thank god, women don't have to say that. Once someone right,

1085
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:31.440
<v Speaker 2>you're like, I made it, I'm gonna use it.

1086
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:31.880
<v Speaker 3>And yeah.

1087
00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Last patron question, Megan McLean says, are there poisonous venomous

1088
00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:38.480
<v Speaker 2>lizards besides the Komodo dragon?

1089
00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:43.199
<v Speaker 3>So there are other venomous lizards. So you have the

1090
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:45.800
<v Speaker 3>Mexican beat it lizard, and then you have the Helo monster.

1091
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:49.840
<v Speaker 3>The Helo Monster's venomous. Why do the Helo monster have

1092
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:51.119
<v Speaker 3>such beady skin?

1093
00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:51.559
<v Speaker 2>You know what?

1094
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:53.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean to let you know that it's venomous. Don't

1095
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:58.159
<v Speaker 3>this with me. I am a very like interestingly brightly

1096
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:01.119
<v Speaker 3>colored thing, and I am so slow moving and I

1097
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:03.559
<v Speaker 3>don't want to be bothered. But if you bother me,

1098
00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:07.400
<v Speaker 3>you can, you can, you can have the smoke. It's

1099
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:09.719
<v Speaker 3>all for you if you want it. I'm telling you.

1100
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:14.719
<v Speaker 3>You don't what happens with their venom So it doesn't

1101
00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:17.679
<v Speaker 3>it's not like that bad for people, like for like

1102
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:20.199
<v Speaker 3>small mammals and stuff. When they eat it, it's just like, oh,

1103
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:22.920
<v Speaker 3>I guess I'm dying now. But like for people, it's

1104
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:24.840
<v Speaker 3>more of like their jaws, because like when they clamp

1105
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:27.400
<v Speaker 3>down on you, like that's it you. This is a

1106
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:29.440
<v Speaker 3>if it's on your wrist, this is your new watch.

1107
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:35.239
<v Speaker 3>So like, don't don't mess with them because they have

1108
00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:36.840
<v Speaker 3>to clamp down and they won't let go.

1109
00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:40.039
<v Speaker 2>How do you get a HeLa monster off of.

1110
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:46.559
<v Speaker 3>You the hospital? Yeah, yes, you do need a professional

1111
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:49.920
<v Speaker 3>at that point. And you love HeLa monsters. I want

1112
00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:52.400
<v Speaker 3>to see one in the wild so badly, it just

1113
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:56.199
<v Speaker 3>has not happened. Where do you go to look? So

1114
00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:58.360
<v Speaker 3>people have been telling me to go to like Beer

1115
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:02.400
<v Speaker 3>Canyon and Sabino Canyon, and I've been going and like,

1116
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:05.800
<v Speaker 3>I haven't seen anything yet. Although I might have seen

1117
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:08.559
<v Speaker 3>a mountain lion, I'm not sure. I might have gotten

1118
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:10.519
<v Speaker 3>eat it, almost eaten by it. I'm not one hundred

1119
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:14.159
<v Speaker 3>percent sure. And so like we were walking from the

1120
00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:17.360
<v Speaker 3>parking lot to the trails and we didn't even make

1121
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:19.440
<v Speaker 3>it to an actual trail yet. And then I was

1122
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:24.679
<v Speaker 3>just like, hmm, that looks interesting. Hmm are those eyes?

1123
00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:28.480
<v Speaker 3>And they were like like kind of high up and

1124
00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:33.480
<v Speaker 3>like they're forward facing, and I was just like, do

1125
00:58:33.519 --> 00:58:36.039
<v Speaker 3>you see that? And like she was like, nah, the stuff,

1126
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:39.000
<v Speaker 3>And so like we just turned around and left. At

1127
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:41.519
<v Speaker 3>that point, we weren't even looking for monsters anymore. We

1128
00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:44.440
<v Speaker 3>were just like, let's just let's just walk around because

1129
00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:46.719
<v Speaker 3>she's never done it before. And I was because like, like,

1130
00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:49.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm the friend who like dragged my friends to go

1131
00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:50.920
<v Speaker 3>do no experiences.

1132
00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:52.679
<v Speaker 2>And what would you do if you saw a heel

1133
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:53.519
<v Speaker 2>a monster in the wild?

1134
00:58:53.880 --> 00:59:01.159
<v Speaker 3>I probably cry, I'd be so happy, happy tears.

1135
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Where do they hang out in the wild?

1136
00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:06.880
<v Speaker 3>Under rocks, around rocks, underground From the vast majority of

1137
00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:09.639
<v Speaker 3>the year, people have been telling me too, is that

1138
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:11.840
<v Speaker 3>everybody who's seen them this year has been telling me

1139
00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:14.199
<v Speaker 3>that they've been seeing them on the roads, like just

1140
00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:17.360
<v Speaker 3>crossing the road, and really, I never seen it when

1141
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:18.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm driving along the road.

1142
00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Aaron says that between the two summers she spent as

1143
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:26.079
<v Speaker 2>an undergrad in Arizona plus three years in grad school,

1144
00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:29.840
<v Speaker 2>she has wanted to see a HeLa monster for five years.

1145
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:31.719
<v Speaker 3>Five years.

1146
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:35.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna cross my fingers that there's a HeLa out

1147
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:36.599
<v Speaker 2>there that you get to spot and you have a

1148
00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:39.000
<v Speaker 2>moment with it that doesn't involve the hospital.

1149
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:43.719
<v Speaker 3>Same. Yes, you know, have a safe distance with wildlife.

1150
00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:45.880
<v Speaker 3>It's totally cool to go out looking for it and

1151
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:49.960
<v Speaker 3>finding it. But safe distances, y'all like good and now

1152
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:52.280
<v Speaker 3>that would be a good and a bad thing. But

1153
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:54.119
<v Speaker 3>what is the worst thing.

1154
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:59.360
<v Speaker 2>About your job? What it sucks? Something's gotta suck.

1155
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:03.199
<v Speaker 3>I guess, like, you know, once you're in the field

1156
01:00:03.400 --> 01:00:07.559
<v Speaker 3>for like four weeks at a time and you still got,

1157
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:10.159
<v Speaker 3>you know, another two weeks to go, You're like, Okay,

1158
01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:13.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm tired of this. Now, I'm ready to be home.

1159
01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:17.920
<v Speaker 3>Do you travel a lot for field work? So, and

1160
01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:20.519
<v Speaker 3>the chair Cowls are about two and a half three

1161
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:24.440
<v Speaker 3>hours away from Tucson. So like, once I'm out there,

1162
01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:26.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm out there and I'm not coming back until the

1163
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:27.760
<v Speaker 3>season is over.

1164
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:32.360
<v Speaker 2>And when is that season usually, like so it varies

1165
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:34.599
<v Speaker 2>for lizard people.

1166
01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:38.599
<v Speaker 3>It can be anywhere from like May through September, but

1167
01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:39.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm going in July.

1168
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which brings me to another question. Is there such

1169
01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:45.119
<v Speaker 2>a thing as a shape shifting lizard person?

1170
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:49.960
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't know, because it changed its shape so that

1171
01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:52.760
<v Speaker 3>it could, you know, conceal itself from me. But I'm

1172
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:54.320
<v Speaker 3>not gonna say no. You never know.

1173
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:56.599
<v Speaker 2>You guys don't ever have to do field work with

1174
01:00:56.639 --> 01:00:59.159
<v Speaker 2>the Illuminati to see if there's shape shifting lizard aliands

1175
01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:00.559
<v Speaker 2>like that one.

1176
01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:02.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I wish that would be cool.

1177
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:05.239
<v Speaker 2>What is the best thing about lizards or your job?

1178
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:09.800
<v Speaker 3>The business thing for me is just being able to

1179
01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:13.880
<v Speaker 3>like handle these animals without causing them like a whole

1180
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:16.320
<v Speaker 3>lot of stress. And then I'm like, oh, I can

1181
01:01:16.360 --> 01:01:20.119
<v Speaker 3>see you, I can learn more about you. I also

1182
01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:23.440
<v Speaker 3>have like the opportunity to take undergrad students out with

1183
01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:27.000
<v Speaker 3>me through the Doors Duke Program Conservation Scholars Program, and

1184
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:30.159
<v Speaker 3>so I get to teach them about lizards and they

1185
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:32.639
<v Speaker 3>get to do their own like mini projects and like

1186
01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:34.440
<v Speaker 3>it's a lot of fun being able to just go

1187
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:38.880
<v Speaker 3>out with them and you know, learn together and explore together.

1188
01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:39.840
<v Speaker 3>That's pretty fun.

1189
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:44.079
<v Speaker 2>Any advice for people who want to be Zerologists.

1190
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:47.960
<v Speaker 3>I would say to, you know, get out there and

1191
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:53.519
<v Speaker 3>find a mentor. I think that's what's really been good

1192
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:55.960
<v Speaker 3>for me. I've been lucky enough to have two really

1193
01:01:56.000 --> 01:02:00.119
<v Speaker 3>great mentors, So George for undergrad and Mico Bogan for

1194
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:03.480
<v Speaker 3>grad school have both been like phenomenal. And once you

1195
01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:06.519
<v Speaker 3>have an interest, just finding those people who would really

1196
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:10.039
<v Speaker 3>support you, Like I feel like that's key. Like once

1197
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:12.880
<v Speaker 3>you have those people who will have your back, then

1198
01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:15.840
<v Speaker 3>your set. Of course, you're gonna like run into hardships,

1199
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:19.199
<v Speaker 3>but they'll help you, you know, get over those obstacles.

1200
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:21.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's great. I've heard that before that a lot

1201
01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:25.519
<v Speaker 2>of people who are really successful really recommend finding a mentor,

1202
01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:27.239
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of people are too afraid to ask,

1203
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:30.480
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, they don't realize that mentors do want to help. Like,

1204
01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:33.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm sure that you'll you're a mentor to

1205
01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:35.960
<v Speaker 2>other people already and you will probably continue to be.

1206
01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:39.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I mean also like I get being too

1207
01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:41.480
<v Speaker 3>afraid to ask, because like I'm definitely one of those

1208
01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:44.480
<v Speaker 3>people where it's like I had to prepare myself for

1209
01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:46.880
<v Speaker 3>like talking to new people and meeting new people and like,

1210
01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:50.079
<v Speaker 3>cause like I have, like you know, that social anxiety.

1211
01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:52.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm just like, oh, what if I'm weird. I'm walking

1212
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:57.199
<v Speaker 3>weird right now. My telling isn't working quite right. There's spit.

1213
01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:00.840
<v Speaker 3>There's a spit coming down my face home. Oh my goodness,

1214
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:05.239
<v Speaker 3>the spit like and so it's like like there's definitely

1215
01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:06.760
<v Speaker 3>like a whole lot of practice there. And then you

1216
01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:08.840
<v Speaker 3>also have to like get over that fear of people

1217
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:11.840
<v Speaker 3>telling you know, because like you know, if you ask

1218
01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:14.440
<v Speaker 3>enough people, somebody's gonna say yes, and hopefully it's one

1219
01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:17.280
<v Speaker 3>of the people who you actually want. And then you know,

1220
01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:20.719
<v Speaker 3>you'll take good opportunities as they come. You don't have

1221
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:23.519
<v Speaker 3>to take all opportunities, because you know, not all opportunities

1222
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:25.800
<v Speaker 3>are good opportunities or like the right ones for you,

1223
01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:29.360
<v Speaker 3>but definitely just like not being afraid to go after

1224
01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:32.559
<v Speaker 3>what you want and then just being like, Okay, this

1225
01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:34.119
<v Speaker 3>is what I want. These are the things I have

1226
01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:35.760
<v Speaker 3>to do to get there. This person told me no,

1227
01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:38.679
<v Speaker 3>but this person over here might say yes. And sometimes

1228
01:03:38.679 --> 01:03:40.480
<v Speaker 3>when people tell you no, it's not because they don't

1229
01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:42.000
<v Speaker 3>like you. Or because they don't believe in you, they

1230
01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:44.239
<v Speaker 3>might not have time, and so then it's just like Okay,

1231
01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:47.800
<v Speaker 3>this person said no, Hey, I know you said no,

1232
01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:50.360
<v Speaker 3>but can you have some other resource? Like can I

1233
01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:52.199
<v Speaker 3>have some other resources from you? Like do you know

1234
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:55.599
<v Speaker 3>somebody who can put me in contact with? Or you know,

1235
01:03:55.880 --> 01:03:58.079
<v Speaker 3>who should I go talk to next? Or like what

1236
01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:00.079
<v Speaker 3>direction should I go in? And like a lot of

1237
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:02.719
<v Speaker 3>times people will be like, Okay, well yeah, I said no,

1238
01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:05.000
<v Speaker 3>but here are these other things I got you for that,

1239
01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:07.119
<v Speaker 3>And sometimes people are just mean and you just have

1240
01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:07.840
<v Speaker 3>to write that off.

1241
01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:14.039
<v Speaker 2>Like, but that's good life advice for any job. All

1242
01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:16.360
<v Speaker 2>of that is like such solid life advice you could

1243
01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:19.880
<v Speaker 2>use if you were a clothing designer or you know,

1244
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:22.760
<v Speaker 2>if you any aspiration you have, that is such solid

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<v Speaker 2>advice that is so good to hear if you just

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<v Speaker 2>have that kind of resilience, which I think science fosters

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of resilience because there's a lot of resilience

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<v Speaker 2>in data and experiments. And now what about parting piece

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<v Speaker 2>of advice? How do you find that lizard if you

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<v Speaker 2>were playing find that lizard any strategies or is it

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<v Speaker 2>just attentiveness?

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<v Speaker 3>So like real life for the game the game the game,

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<v Speaker 3>turn your brightness all the way up, and then have

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<v Speaker 3>like a strategy, like like for me, like when I'm like, hmm,

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<v Speaker 3>I need to find a picture for this game today,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't know where this lizard is in it,

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<v Speaker 3>and if it's in my phone, there's a fifty percent

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<v Speaker 3>chance that there's no listener to here. So I tell

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<v Speaker 3>my brightness all the way up, and then I start

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<v Speaker 3>at one quarter and I go down, and then I

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<v Speaker 3>go over a little bit, and then I go back up,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I go over a little bit and go

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<v Speaker 3>now and I'm just like scanning the picture and so

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<v Speaker 3>like I find it, and then sometimes I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 3>well maybe next time. I love that. Sometimes you have

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<v Speaker 3>to find the lizard. I definitely do. Is That's how

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<v Speaker 3>I know that there's like always a lizard in the

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<v Speaker 3>photo because I spend a long sometimes I spend a

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<v Speaker 3>long time looking through these photos to make sure that

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<v Speaker 3>there's actually one in there.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, I'm not only the master of this, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>also a player, yes, And where can people find you?

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<v Speaker 3>So they can find me on Twitter and Instagram at

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<v Speaker 3>afro Underscore Harper so a f R O underscore h

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<v Speaker 3>E R P E R and yeah, per usual.

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<v Speaker 2>There will be links in the show notes and also

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<v Speaker 2>up on my website at Aliward dot com slash ologies,

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<v Speaker 2>slash Zerology and also get the frick ready for Find

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<v Speaker 2>that Lizard on Wednesdays. And I just found out that

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron has a Patreon setup at patreon dot com slash

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<v Speaker 2>find that Lizard in case we'd like to support these efforts.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna have a lot of new players. That's so exciting,

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<v Speaker 3>so I hope you guys like it. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 3>having me. It's been great. It was so much fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I was so nervous and no reason to be nervous

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<v Speaker 3>for the best.

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<v Speaker 2>Rologists literally, so ask smart zorologists stupid questions and salute

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<v Speaker 2>the lizards. Salute the lizards again. More links are up

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<v Speaker 2>at aliward dot com slash sorology, and we are at

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<v Speaker 2>ologies on Instagram and on Twitter. Come say hi there,

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<v Speaker 2>I am at Ali Ward with one L on both ologies.

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<v Speaker 2>Merch is available at ologiesmirch dot com. Thank you Bonnie

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<v Speaker 2>Dutch and Shannon Feltis, who hosts the brand new comedy

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<v Speaker 2>podcast You are that for helping with merch. You can

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<v Speaker 2>post your photos and tagmologies merch so we can repost

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<v Speaker 2>you on Instagram on merch Mondays. And thank you Aaron

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<v Speaker 2>Talbert and Hannah Liippo who admin the ologies podcast Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>group full of nice people, And thanks to whoever started

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<v Speaker 2>the Ology's podcast subreddit to chat about episodes. Thanks to

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<v Speaker 2>Jarrett Sleeper of the mental health podcast Make Good, Bad

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<v Speaker 2>Brain for editing assistance. And also big thanks to the

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<v Speaker 2>mustachio Chameleon of the podcasting World, host of the percast

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<v Speaker 2>and see Jurassic Right, Stephen Ray Morris for editing this

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<v Speaker 2>altogether each week. Could not do it without you. Nick

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<v Speaker 2>Thorburn wrote and performed the theme music. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>listen to the end of the episode each week, you

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<v Speaker 2>want to tell you a secret. I learned the hard

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<v Speaker 2>way that if you get something shipped to you in

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<v Speaker 2>like a big box, you open that outside because sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>there's a thirsty warehouse cockroach waiting in the box, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to talk about it ever, ever, ever,

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<v Speaker 2>ever ever. For my Pacaderman College bobbiology or noo zoology, lithology, technology, meteorology, fatology, anthology, seriology, ethnology.

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<v Speaker 3>The lizards are a buck each.

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<v Speaker 2>The parrot is five hundred dollars. That's a hell of

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<v Speaker 2>a good parrot, although I could get five hundred lizards

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<v Speaker 2>for the same price. Girls like swarms of lizards, right,