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Sean Walker of kisl dot com. Sean, thanks for joining
us today.
Speaker 4: I'm Brett. It's always a pleasure to be on with
you guys, especially when I know you could have gone
the LJ. Martin of the BIU Beat. I know you
could have gone to Jack Kelly of the BYU Beat.
But when those guys are hurt, it's a pleasure for
the jovetic community of the BYU be to be joining you.
Speaker 2: Sean.
Speaker 1: Here's the real boots on the ground journalism question that
we need answered about Orlando. We heard that there was
a little taste test situation going on with deep fried
poptarts and all kinds of other crazy stuff, and as
someone who was not there, I need you to tell
me how unreal that experience was and how many different
types of pop tarts you had.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna beleave the fifth on this question for the
most part, but I will tell you this, Brett, how
many types of pop tarts that I have? The answer
is way too many, way too many for those who
For those who know me, they know I do live
a gluten free lifestyle. I was diagnosed with a gluten
allergy several years ago. Life changing, game changing and everything
of the world, but being gluten free might be the
worst thing possible for a bowl game sponsored by the great,
the one, the only, uh are gods of the college
football world, the pop Tarts. So yes, I did indulge,
and no, I will not be commenting further on what
happened after I did indulge.
Speaker 2: I won't comment either.
Speaker 3: I know what happened with those I can confirm there's
a source close to the program that told me that
Sean Walker did divulge in one deep fried pop tart.
Speaker 4: The deep the deep fried pop Tarts. Though, if you,
if you get an opportunity, do it, do it. Don't
even think about it, just go uh do it. I'm
actually a little bit jealous of the Michigan and the
Texas reporters this week because the Pop Tarts Bowl and
the Citrus Bowl, excuse me, the cheese at Citrus Bowl.
They have the same management right now, so that's going
on tomorrow, and apparently at the Citrus Bowl you can
get a cheese it breaded turkey lake, so a turkey
branded in cheese its. And again, that sounds very painful
to somebody like me who's supposed to be blue and free,
who had the bluen allergy, but that also sound I'm
just gonna use two words to describe that worth it. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What I want to know is like, how special were
these deep fried pop starts? Like, if I have a
deep friar at home? Am I able as the layman
that I am?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Could I reh reinvent those?
Speaker 2: Could I make one of those at home?
Speaker 4: I'm not entirely certain because they had they actually have,
so the pop arts who actually have and maybe this
is a little bit of capitalty journalism, they have specialty
chefs for a lot of their pop tarts bolt specific creations,
so it's more than just deep fried pop tarts. They
also have like a dessert that's basically uh, frosted strawberry
pop tart turned into uh, I guess it's a parfait
kind of a thing. It's it's like a dessert with
a it's got like a gelato on the bottom and
then the frosted strawberry cream on top and all that
also very good, significantly less gluten So that was probably
my favorite one. But they have, like they have like
specialty chefs for all of these things. So could you
defry a pop tart at home? Yeah, would it be
the same. I don't know. I don't know how good
a deeper Maybe you're maybe you're a professional deep fryer. Brett.
I'm not going to hold you back, so I would
say go for it, question Mark. But I would definitely
like to compare the two.
Speaker 1: Well, my my in laws gave me a deep fryer
for Christmas. Let's see how many days ago, five or
six days ago, So that'll tell you.
Speaker 2: How much of an expert I am.
Speaker 1: But I just saw something like that, and I'm like,
that is so disappointing that that that I can't partake
and I can't dry. So I'm glad to know that that,
despite things trying to hold you back, Sean, you still
did journalism to the best of your simple ability by
partaking in hop Tarts.
Speaker 2: We will we want you to know.
Speaker 4: All in the name of good journalism.
Speaker 3: Speaking of good journalism, you did some good journalism. Wonderful
piece at you, Pindo kissl dot com. B Yu gets
that twelfth win shot of the season in the Pop
Tarts Bowl. First time It's happens to two thousand and one.
What does the what momentums b are you taking into
spring ball? With that twelfth win, especially with all the
chaos right now going on at b YU with coaches,
coaches may be making moves for their future.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think in the agent the transfer portal,
I think year to year momentum is a little bit
of a misnomer nowadays because rosters changed for the transfer
portal coaching rosters change so much during the carousel season.
We'll get into that a little bit. And I don't
expect this roster at BUYU this past fall to be
to be the same next year as it was this year.
I think retention is going to be at a premium.
I do think they'll retain some players. I also think
they're gonna lose some players. They've already got about five
or six that are in the transfer portal right now,
and I think more probably the follow cover your ears,
Cougar fans if you don't want to hear that, But
that's just the reality of modern college football. The transfer
portal giveth and the transfer portal also take it away,
right So if you want to go and kind of
stock up and and figure out new additions to your roster,
you've got to be willing to maybe lose a piece
or two in order to kind of give that away.
There is no active trade market like in the NFL,
so the transfer portal kind of serves as that mechanism
in addition to to college football's own version of free agency.
But as far as momentum goes, I think what Kline
Sataki and his team did this season will give it
as much momentum as you can probably as you can
possibly have in this sport nationally, maybe short of you know,
whichever one of the teams the quarterfinals start tomorrow, so
which every one of those teams goes on and wins
the college with the twenteen College football playoffs. You you know,
it was a out a month ago that BYU was
on the precipice of losing its head coach and Kline
Sataki reportedly working on a deal to go to Penn
State for an eight figure salary. BYU and its donors
and administrators and even just average everyday fans and several
of the players that kind of rallied and they kept Sataki,
and that decision, I think is going to give this
team as much momentum as you can possibly get because
there are going to be players that stay at BYU
hoping to build off of what they were able to
do this past season twelve and two. Overall, they only
lost one team this year they lost lost Tech Tech twice. Right,
it's the most wins in a single season since two
thousand and one, only the fifth or sixth time in
program history that BYU's reached that twelve win plateau. And
there are players that want more, and they want to
come back, and they want to do more at BUYU.
We saw almost immediately after the bull get that tree.
Alexander is coming back. I believe. I believe The caption
on this Instagram post was was it said somebody to
the effect of committed to bring up Young University. So
he's trading it for the long haul. You know, he's
not just following a coach or playing for a coach.
He wants to be at YU. Specifically, Kanu Tonavasa sounded
pretty sure of himself. I don't want to take away
too much thunder from him, but he's not pretty sure
of himself. But Kianu Tonavasa wanted to come back for
another year. I'd be surprised if bart Bachmeier left barring
you know, something unforeseen that we haven't seen, right, now
and when you're able to build off of what that
true freshman starting quarterback did. I think that'll help. I
think some offensive linemen are going to return. Obviously they've
got some holes to fill there, especially in the interior
with departures of guys like Wale and Lapojo. I think
that will be significant. I say Jada as well. These
are all just players that are that are out of
the eligibility. But I think when you're looking at momentum,
it's very hard to get that year to a year
in the modern era of college football. And BYU is
doing as good of a job as anybody can in
building off of itself year over year over year, and
I expect that to continue, mostly because the headman, Klaie Sataki,
is in charge for the long term, foreseeable future.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like BYU is maybe disadvantage is the
wrong word, but they're in talks. I mean, we know
the Jay Hill rumors going around, other coaching rumors going around.
Do you see that affecting BYUS capability to pull in
high level talent with the transfer portal window about to open.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as long as there are question marks, I think
it will affect BYU's capability. But again, remember the transfer
portal give it and the transfer port will also take
it away. There are players on other teams that are
gonna want to play at BYU for whatever connection that is.
Maybe that's somebody that they missed out the first time
out of high school in the recruiting game. Maybe it's
somebody that they missed out even one or two times
in the transfer portal already that are pop it back
up into the portal. Maybe that's somebody that we're not
even thinking of right now, Like they are going to
be players that want to play at BYU. So I
think there are a lot of question marks right now
just because we don't know what they's coordinator situation is
going to look at at the moment. But I also
expect those question marks to if they don't fully solve themselves,
will be a peer picture will be a lot clearer
by the time that portal window opens on January second.
Remember this is the only transfer portal window that college
football will have this year. It's one fifteen day windows
starting January second. There is no post spring window. That's
that's a new thing. As voted on by I think
by the Football oversight Committee and one of those five
hundred thousand roughly committees that governs NCAA Division one football,
So this will be the only one. And that's why
you're seeing the coaching carousel market kind of expedite itself
to the point where, you know, we're on the precipice
of the college football playoff quarterfinals and there are currently
at the moment, I believe there is not a single
head coach opening in all of Division one FBS football.
I mean, that's absolutely remarkable for right now. But because
so many universities kind of win the overdrive during the
season and then immediately following the end of the regular
season to where they want to have somebody in place
right away. Now, does that mean there won't be more
changes in the go to market. Absolutely not. I even
think we're probably going to see, if nothing else, at
least one or two more head coaching changes, probably somebody
that winds up leaving January February. Maybe the NFL goes
and pulls somebody from the college ranks up to the NFL,
and then that sets off kind of a mini coaching carouself,
if you will. But I do think the by is
going to have a much clearer picture in the next
forty eight or seventy two hours, by the time that
January second window opens, just like everybody else, because that's
when you really have to get going on this new
version of free agency.
Speaker 1: This is kind of a speculative question, but I I
just I'm just thinking out loud here. I'm curious to
know what that portal is gonna look like, Sean, Like,
are we gonna have like are we gonna see just
a flood of people committing on Friday?
Speaker 2: Or do you think what's more likely is.
Speaker 1: That we get till that last day because everybody is
gonna wait until those final offers come in, and so
we're really not going to get answers from most people
until the end of that portal.
Speaker 4: Brett Hammer, are you implying that there may be college
football programs and coaches who have been contacting players before
the official opening of the transfer pot.
Speaker 1: I would never assume anyone in college football would do
anything underhanded like that, Sean, especially not the SEC.
Speaker 4: There's there's a word. There's a word for that. It
starts with the key is that it's tambourine, camberine, temptation, temptation. Yeah,
I can't remember the exact word. Yeah, temptation, maybe it's
probably temptation.
Speaker 2: Tempting.
Speaker 4: No, we all know how we all know how the
system works. Right, Guys, there are guys that are in
the portal or that are excuse me, intending to go
into the transfer portal, let me get my nomenclature right
at this very moment, that are also entering the portal
with a little thing called the DNC. I do not
contact TACK. So they have a pretty good idea of
where they want to go, whether that's for nefarious reasons
or just simply that you know, they there's one place,
that one or two places that they want to go to,
and they want to be in charge of kind of
making those conducts themselves. I'm not really here to say
I think it probably works both plays, but but I
would tend to agree with your first point, Brett, that
I think the majority of this transfer portal window action
is probably I don't know if that happens in the
first hour or two that the portal is open, but
in the first day or two I could see the majority,
certainly more than fifty percent of transfers starting to take place.
Because you do have this little thing, and I'm gonna
say a piece that I know college football fans don't
like talking about little much, but there is still a
college part of college football, and most universities in this
country are on the semester system, where these football players
do also have to enroll in their new college buy
or around the start of their new college semester. So
like yes, there are quarter systems, there are late semester
starts at a handful of universities in the country, but
for the most part, we are also still working on
an academic calendar, and so I think there is there
are legitimate but legitimate and maybe slightly less legitimate reasons
for the portal comaginations to be wrapped up earlier rather
than later in that cycle. And I think that's also
another part of the reason why coaches are so adamant
that they only work in one transfer portal window per year.
That doesn't be players won't be able to transfer afterwards.
There are always ways around it. Look at how Jake
Retzov moved from DYU to Tulaine last summer. I mean
that didn't above a transfer portal window or technically a
transfer at all, So there are still ways around it.
But I do think that kind of like signing periods,
and we just saw with the early signing period, I
think the bulk of those transactions will be accomplished within
the first day or two, and then you know, maybe
a couple of big names will kind of trickle through
the rest of that fifteen day window and you'll see
sort of the trickle down effect from some of those transfers.
But I think you'll probably see a pretty big rush
early rather than later. For sure, you'll.
Speaker 3: Definitely see it sooner rather than later. I definitely agree, Sean,
let's go this whole portal talk coach. It changes all
of that could happen. I need to know who are
the candidates to replace ja Hill if he does decide
to even go to Michigan, And obviously I know those
candidates could change it depending if he takes personnel staff
with him. He's totally allowed to take whoever you want.
That's how it goes in the nature of college athletics
and coaching carousales. But please tell the listeners who are
the candidates, because I don't know if people really know
who's going to replace him. I think people just think
it could be internally, but I've also maybe hurt externally
as possible as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the number one candidate to be BYU's
defensive coordinator right now, because nothing is official, nothing has
been formally pushed over the line, it's still J Hill.
I think BYU wants to keep J Hill. They want
to do everything they possibly can to retain J Hill.
And the fact that this thing isn't finalized and inked
and the press release isn't dry if you will, I
think that means that the YU is still trying to
do everything possible to retain Jay Hill. So we need
to start there. But obviously there are reports, there are rumors,
there are some anonymous sources that are floating out there.
I've been able to confirm a couple that there are
legitimate talks between Jay Hill and Michigan, and it seems
like things are trending in that direction for Jay to
follow his former defensive coordinator Kyle Whittingham to Ann Arbor.
So in that case, I think you probably stayed within
the within the building. First, the first call, if I
had my brothers about me to be the next defensive
coordinator at b YU would be the Gernaro Guildford. I
think you're here talking about a former byu quarnerback a
guy who loves the university. Remember, Gernaro is a guy
who uh he didn't grow up a member of the
l S Church. He he he still he hasn't converted
to the church's Juice Christ of letterte fame, so he's
still a non member of the church. But he also
loves b YU. Him and his wife are raising a
family in Utah County. They really love, uh kind of
the area and the watch front and and and the school.
This is a guy who he he was kicked out
at b YU during his playing days and rather than
leave and go elsewhere it finished his career in another
part of the country. He actually came back and then
came back again during his coaching career on Klanie Sadaki's staff.
So I think a guy like Genero Guildford absolutely deserves
a chance to be a defensive coordinator. He's in Jay
hills right hand man for the past three years. He's
been passing game coordinator for the past two years under Satake,
And I think if you want some form of continuity
amid a coordinator change, I think that's probably the looks
there are also a couple of other internal candidates that
may get a look. Gary Anderson comes to mind. He's
a defensive guy, and remember it was Gary the klanis
followed from Utah to Oregon State as a defensive coordinator
for a year before he got the BYU jobs, so
the two of them are really close. Questions remain about
whether or not Gary would want that position. He seems
pretty content kind of doing what he's doing. Is sort
of an assistant defensive line coach, defensive specialist. It's a analyst,
and and he likes having a little bit of extra
time to spend with his kids and his grandkids and
and that sort of thing. So there are plenty of
questions on both sides around him. But I could see
other internal candidates as well, maybe getting a look or
a snatch. Justin Ena or Fion Pool. I think Uh
definitely stand a chance externally. There are two guys that
I probably keep a really legitimate eye on. The First
one is Sean Nuall. He's former BYU defensive stand out
currently the linebackers coach at USC. I think he probably
deserves at least a call the c if he's interested
in coming home, and maybe running his own defense and
working with Kilane. I think Seandaula would be great, and
the other one I mentioned. It would be maybe a
little bit of a step down for him in terms
of title, but you could probably give him a step
up and pay and prestige and everything else. That would
be Utah Tech head coach Lance Anderson Lanz. Anderson developed
just an incredible reputation as one of the best recruiters
on the West Coast when he was at Stanford, spent
a decade with the Cardinal, eventually rose to become the
defensive coordinator under David Shaw there. So he knows how
to run a Power Conference defense. He knows how to
do more with less. Sometimes because of Stanford they're academic restrictions.
He's currently the head coach in Utah, tex So he's
just right down the road right now. He's only been there.
He's just barely wrapped up his second is his second season.
I think the Trailblayers just went two in ten, so
he's still building there. But that may be worth a
phone call as well at somebody who knows how to recruit,
who knows how to run a good defense, and is
certainly used to Power Conference life on the West Coast.
That could maybe be another kind of shoulder for Clonie
Satake to Leon in the coordinator room.
Speaker 1: So I think things did interesting with the guy you
brought up first, with Jennaro Guildford, because if he does
get a call, if Jay decides to go and BYU says, hey,
how you feel about DC?
Speaker 2: What if Jay Hill calls and says, hey.
Speaker 1: You want to come with me to Michigan, and then
Gennaro's in this weird position where he's either taking the
title of defensive coordinator at BYU, which is an incredible job,
incredibly or you go with the prestige, the big ten,
the aura that comes with coaching the defense at Michigan
and knowing that the head coach at Michigan is only
going to be there for so much longer. Maybe j
Hill sides into that spot and then maybe Gennaro becomes
the defensive coordinator in Michigan. I think if Gennaro gets
both of those phone calls, he's in a really tough position.
Speaker 4: Sean Yeah said, and then don't doubt the aura of Michigan.
I mean, this is one of the top five jobs
in college football nationally. It's not only a power to
conference member, but it is among the best of the
best in terms of branding, in terms of winning capabilities,
I believe it's it's the winningest or second winningest program
in football subdivision history. They've got seven or eight national
champion in ships, some of them disputed, but we don't
need to go into all that with the history of
college football. So but but the brand, the Michigan brand,
is extremely real. There is a reason why Kyle Whittingham
essentially came out of retirement to take that job right
within days of stepping down at Utah. Uh u In
contacted him and he even told us on Sunday. He
told reporters that that was probably one of four or
five jobs that he would have considered after stepping down
at Utah. He didn't want to just go anywhere uh
coach just to coach, if you will. He wanted to
be very picky. He wanted to be very choosy. Michigan
was certainly on that list. It's on the short list.
It's on a shortlist for a lot of jobs nationally,
and I think there is real power in that brand.
Uh that even a school like BYU and even for
a a former player and now coach like Geronnaro Guildford,
who loves BYU as much as he does, could struggle
to say no to that kind of a job, to
that kind of prestige, to that kind of a launching point,
because it's not just you know, maybe putting himself in
line to be a DC or even future head coach
at Michigan. But once you're a position coach and maybe
even he makes a move over with a little bit
of extra pay and and the passing game defense, passing
game coordinator title, that kind of thing. Once you're in
that system, then all of a sudden you're being looked
at for other big ten and SEC jobs when their
openings down the line. For uh, say, I'll use one
of Ron Weaver's favorite teams. For the Illinois of the
world or the Purdues of the world don't go to
produce in general, but those times, yeah, yeah, you know, uh,
you know, the Iowas, the South Carolina is, the maybe
even the Florida states of the world, like they're looking
at guys that are in that Michigan, that Ohio state,
that Alabama type of system, just just because that's where
coaches kind of come up and they breed themselves and
they're they're really proving if they can handle the highest
levels of college football. So I think moving to a
school like Michigan is very good for one's career. And
that's why, Yeah, I do agree with you Brett that
that I think all of these decisions are really really
tough to make, and you can't fully say one way
or the other until he is formally dry on the
press release.
Speaker 2: You can't say anything.
Speaker 3: Look, I think the longer it, like you said, Sean,
the next forty eight to seventy two hours, I mean,
that would put us at New Year's Day of the second.
But I mean, if we're talking about after the first
day of the portal January third, BAE Basketball's season opener
against Kansas State, if nothing's finalized by the end of
that game in the day, I mean, look, this can
get done on any day of the week. You'd have
to think the longer this goes on, the more likely
it is that Jay Hill stays. Look, everybody's been been
saying and trying to be funny about it, Shawn, you
and I have discussed it.
Speaker 2: I think we've heard about it.
Speaker 3: Fans want Jay Hill to tweet out that Leonardo DiCaprio
mean that he's a he's uh, he's not going somewhere
maybe whatever that is in LDS terms. I don't know
if that's a j Hill type of thing to do,
if that were to be him. Don't watch Look, you
can't swear and watch bad movies until you get back
from your mission, guys. I always say that's that's the rule.
You have to serve the mission first. Deb able to
do that, do not watch that movie where that meme
is from. I watched it the other day because I
had never seen it, and oh my goodness, but you
have to have you know, you have to be balanced
in all things. Anyway, The point is, the longer this
goes on, Sean, does that benefit be why you all
get you out of here?
Speaker 2: On that?
Speaker 4: Uh? I mean, I don't know if it benefits if
it really benefits b YU one way or the other. Like, yeah,
I think they'd probably prefer to have something like this
wrapped up sooner rather than later, and again certainly before
that portal window opens. But I think b Yu's got options.
I think they've got guys. I think they've got places
that they can turn to, even assuming that Jay Hill
moves on takes some Michigan job or or or even
somewhere else. I think Byu has options. I think Kilane's
built up a very strong network that he can kind
of tap into and still out his roster and remember
of the defensive side, especially since we're talking about Jay
Hill in particular. Kilane's a defensive coach. Everything that has
happened at BYU defensively has been under his watch. He
takes pride. Yes, I know he's a form of LEU
fall back, but he's been a defensive guy for pretty
much his whole coaching career. He's built systems that are
very successful at Utah, at Oregon State, now at BYU.
The reason why J Hill J Hill was a fantastic coach.
I don't want this to sound like I'm denigrating his
role at all, because I think Jay was certainly kind
of the playmaker, the tactician, the mastermind, if you will,
behind the defense for the last three years. But he's
been doing it all within Kilanie's system. And that's why
I think it was so important that Byu made sure
to hold on to Kilane's stocky about a month to
go for situations like this, so that they can still
have the basic framework in place, you know, so that
so that the house was still standing even if you
know the big chair was coming out of the living
room or the table was being replaced in the dining room, uh,
or you know they had to go and get a
new TV. That house, that's still that basic framework of
the b YU football program is still there. And and
that framework right now is clinic Stocky.
Speaker 3: The framework is Kalona Chittaki. It's there, no doubt about it.
Shown before we let you go. Where can the listeners
find your work? Where can they follow you on xit
to get all of your content covering.
Speaker 4: The coops uh, KSL dot com, ksel dot com, slash sports,
if you want a direct link, you can head on
over there. Uh. We got Uh. It's more than just
b YU two. We've got boots on the ground right
now down to the Las Vegas bull for Morgan Scalley's
opener as a head coach of the Utes. If anybody
wants to kind of get a peek in there as well.
We're following the transfer portal like crazy. Actually just really
updated my portal tracker h right now with some of
the latest names over there. But we've got, like I said,
a whole bunch of everything, So go give us a follow.
Checks out over at kasl dot com, check.
Speaker 3: Them out at casser dot com. Follow him on x
as well. Sewn was boots on ground at the Poptarch
Bowl and got a couple of nice UH stickers that
he had pinned to maybe his laptop or to Hi.
Might be able to confirm that later on. Sources tell me, though, Shawn,
thanks you Tom today.
Speaker 4: Brother.
Speaker 2: We'll catch up with you soon. Travil safe.
Speaker 4: I'm not cool enough to put them on my wallet though,
I'm just I'm not cool enough to put on my wallet.
Thanks God, I don't know what.
Speaker 2: I don't know what he's talking about. Sources do not
confirm it.
Speaker 3: But anyway, Uh Sean, we will catch up with you soon, brother,
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