Speaker 1: Hi Bart, good morning. Yes, So John Herdman out in
Speaker 1: a news dump, in a fantastic news dump by Toronto
Speaker 1: FC back on Friday, and before you came on, I
Speaker 1: was discussing the alleged systematic ethical shortcoming attached to Canada
Speaker 1: soccer and to Bev Priestman, who is I guess in
Speaker 1: the soccer equivalent of time out and show cause she
Speaker 1: is Kelvin Sampson now I guess until further noted, and
Speaker 1: John Herdman in the news dump, at least in the
Speaker 1: American news dump sense, and then on a late Friday
Speaker 1: afternoon which was a traditional news dump. Since John Herdman
Speaker 1: out at Toronto FC, personally, I think it's best that's
Speaker 1: what he says. I'm thinking that Toronto FC basically knows
Speaker 1: more than they think that the public knows. They know
Speaker 1: that Eli's common Hydra hart Girl and the hammer might
Speaker 1: be and they don't need to have anything attached to
Speaker 1: John Hrdman with him being under their employer. That's my gut.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this was a conversation between Toronto and Hardman,
Speaker 2: who is obviously the focus, I mean, if not the
Speaker 2: sole focus of the investigation, the main focus of the
Speaker 2: investigation at this point, and there's an agreement between the
Speaker 2: two parties to just say let's cut ties before. Especially
Speaker 2: for Toronto, this is a cya because they don't want
Speaker 2: to be stuck with any real surprises. They don't want
Speaker 2: to go any further into the offseason not having an
Speaker 2: idea if they're going to have a coach, so they'd
Speaker 2: rather just say, Hey, we're gonna to leave and we'll
Speaker 2: go find someone else.
Speaker 1: And my gut thinks it might be Jim Curtin, who
Speaker 1: wants to be the g SLASH technical director SLASH and
Speaker 1: a coach and have both titles in a place that
Speaker 1: would be the tie Philadelphia where.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think John I'm still not a
Speaker 2: fan of a coach being both GM.
Speaker 1: Oh neither am I No, neither am I I mean
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: Think well, yes, I do think Curtain would like more
Speaker 2: control over roster precisions, because that was obviously the reason
Speaker 2: why it didn't go as well as it maybe could
Speaker 2: have in Philadelphia, and especially this year, was the reason
Speaker 2: why they fell so short. But I think Toronto would
Speaker 2: be a better landing place for Curtin than you know,
Speaker 2: some other yep that may exist, particularly very locally, yes,
Speaker 2: but with the difference being that MLS will spend money
Speaker 2: and that is something that I know Curtin would like
Speaker 2: to have. I mean, I don't think Curtin is expecting
Speaker 2: them to spend eighty million dollars a year for him
Speaker 2: or however much they spent whatever it was when they
Speaker 2: bought this, you know, half the Italian national team. That
Speaker 2: is still indicative of a club that is willing to
Speaker 2: spend some money to bring in actually good players up
Speaker 2: and down the roster. And that's something that Curtain hasn't had.
Speaker 2: And also, you know, I think if you're Jim Carton,
Speaker 2: you look at Toronto as a potential academy location where
Speaker 2: you can continue to mold the younger generation. So I
Speaker 2: don't I don't think Toronto's academy has been particularly I
Speaker 2: don't robust product productive. Yeah, yeah, that might be an
Speaker 2: opportunity for him as well, just to kind of take
Speaker 2: some of the things that he's learned from the Philadelphia
Speaker 2: side and put that into Toronto. I mean, Toronto is
Speaker 2: the what the largest city in Canada and one of
Speaker 2: the top five in North America. It's a large city
Speaker 2: and that would in theory mean that you have a
Speaker 2: great deal, talentable from on top of a great fan
Speaker 2: base that could you know, support you.
Speaker 1: Yep. Uh and Rich once again making the point curtain
Speaker 1: to toront would hurt more than him going to Atlanta
Speaker 1: because it's unlimited budget one hundred Philadelphia. Absolutely true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but within the salary cap purview, yes, yes, but you're
Speaker 1: gonna get three actual dps. Hmm, yeah you are, and
Speaker 1: you can. You can. You can drop plenty of you
Speaker 1: can drop plenty of dime on in Tim Horton's gift
Speaker 1: cards and Canadian tire bucks on bringing all of them in.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: You had you had you had requested time yees salary
Speaker 1: cap Uh since this was a rivalry weekend in American football.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Uh, you had requested time at the beginning of your
Speaker 1: of your appearance here this week to discuss the situation
Speaker 1: I believe it West by God Virginia and uh I will,
Speaker 1: I will yield the floor. Uh see, we need to
Speaker 1: get you over on the the college football side of things.
Speaker 2: Over you where I got my podcasting start, John.
Speaker 1: We need to get you over on the college football
Speaker 1: side to discuss West by God Virginia. I yield the floor.
Speaker 1: For your opening statement on a reaction Monday to discuss
Speaker 1: American college football and the situation at West by God
Speaker 1: Virginia proceed.
Speaker 2: So I just want to first off say that I've
Speaker 2: felt this season this year with a lot of people saying, well,
Speaker 2: this person is a really good person. This coach is
Speaker 2: just a really great guy, and he's respected and loved,
Speaker 2: but the results in the field don't match that. And
Speaker 2: that has been the frustrating part with my fandom for
Speaker 2: two of my favorite teams this year, and when it
Speaker 2: came to West Virginia specifically, it it was six years
Speaker 2: of not believing the team was going to actually do
Speaker 2: something cool, for great or exciting. We had a decent
Speaker 2: season last year and I think that was really what
Speaker 2: did it. And for Neil Brown, as you had a
Speaker 2: really good close the season in twenty twenty three, you
Speaker 2: get the win over North Carolina up in Charlotte and
Speaker 2: the bowl game, you finished with nine wins, and you go,
Speaker 2: what can you use how can you use this to
Speaker 2: continue to climb to take that message they've been pushing
Speaker 2: for the past six years, And when you finished six
Speaker 2: and six a conference that was severely depleted by the
Speaker 2: two biggest teams leaving and bringing in some teams that
Speaker 2: are not at that level. By the way that you
Speaker 2: didn't have to play for the most part, we didn't
Speaker 2: play Colorado, we didn't play Utah, you know, we we
Speaker 2: didn't have to play any of the big boys this year.
Speaker 2: That came in. And the fact that you weren't able
Speaker 2: to get to even seven wins during the regular season,
Speaker 2: the fact that you lost both of your games to
Speaker 2: the local rivals, and one of those very badly at
Speaker 2: home to open the season. After again, all this pipe
Speaker 2: was built, and the way that you know, the team
Speaker 2: continued to lose in the similar ways, with bad mistakes
Speaker 2: on individual parts, bad schemes both offensively and defensively. Being nice,
Speaker 2: being a good guy is great, but at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, it's a results based business and when
Speaker 2: you're not getting results, you know, there's no reason to
Speaker 2: keep you around. And that's just kind of where and
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to bring it up, but that's just where
Speaker 2: I've always been with the Gonzale Paneda thing is, I know,
Speaker 2: he's a really great dude and he I'm sure people
Speaker 2: love playing for him. You got to win, and at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, if it doesn't matter if
Speaker 2: your your players, your guys love playing for you, but
Speaker 2: if you're not winning, what does it matter? You know?
Speaker 2: I think probably could be said of Greg Berholter as well,
Speaker 2: where a lot of the guys playing for Greg but
Speaker 2: can't have results that don't match those expectations. And now
Speaker 2: you've got to find someone who for WU. Anyway, you
Speaker 2: have to find someone who can hopefully continue a decent
Speaker 2: culture that's been built, but get results on the field
Speaker 2: and figure out how to win in a place that
Speaker 2: you're not going to get the best recruiting classes. But
Speaker 2: you've got to maximize the talent and we'll see how
Speaker 2: that goes.
Speaker 1: You've got to go into Pennsylvania and get kids there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got. I mean, that's the thing for West
Speaker 2: Virginia is you've got Pittsburgh and Philly that are close by.
Speaker 2: You've got the Ohio area which is always talent. You
Speaker 2: got the DMV there. You know, You've got plenty of
Speaker 2: areas to just go get talent outside of your state,
Speaker 2: and you got to maximize it. I mean, West Virginia
Speaker 2: for a while, there is I mean piping amend from
Speaker 2: South Florida too, and we've lost that connection. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it was disappointing. It was unsurprising. It was a relief
Speaker 2: when it finally happened.
Speaker 1: Three ranked teams losses this year started to see at
Speaker 1: home against Penn State. You also lost to eleventh thranked
Speaker 1: Iowa State and seventeenth thrank Kansasate, all three of those
Speaker 1: at home. Then you lose backyard brawl thirty eight, thirty four,
Speaker 1: and then you lose two of your last three to
Speaker 1: Baylor at home, yeah, by fourteen. And then in Lubbock
Speaker 1: where Texas Tech put fifty two.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, wiped in Lubbock. I mean, those tortillas came
Speaker 2: and slapped across the face. You couldn't get up. And again,
Speaker 2: you have to get results. And I think most West
Speaker 2: Virginia fans would agree with me. We're not expecting you
Speaker 2: to win ten eleven games every year. But this particular
Speaker 2: season of the Big Twelve, John was wide open. As
Speaker 2: you clearly see, you've got Arizona State, who's the first
Speaker 2: timer in the conference in the conference has never made
Speaker 2: a conference championship. We've been in this damn league for
Speaker 2: oh goodness. As the person who was there for the
Speaker 2: very first Big twelve game, seventy to sixty three against Baylor.
Speaker 2: That is the problem, right, and Dana, I think it's
Speaker 2: I think Dana's tenure kind of showed where we could
Speaker 2: be in the old Big twelve, which is maybe hopefully
Speaker 2: getting a shot. We were expecting Neil, especially in the
Speaker 2: new Big Twelve, to find a way to get us
Speaker 2: to the actual championship game. And I think that's just
Speaker 2: where we are at is we need to be the
Speaker 2: expectation or the goal of making a conference championship game
Speaker 2: needs to be realistic every year, not just you know, yes,
Speaker 2: a state statement game.
Speaker 1: All right, So, uh, now let's go back to now
Speaker 1: that the American football discussion has has gone away, at
Speaker 1: least temporarily until I sit there and vent my spleen
Speaker 1: about my program with a sixty three million dollar buyout. Uh.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons that we brought you in other
Speaker 1: than American football was to discuss bomb hops on parade
Speaker 1: in in one day. And it felt at this time
Speaker 1: that was called it looked no. You had ninety eight
Speaker 1: bazillion people yeah, watching Veigman v. Hayes yeh, and it
Speaker 1: ended up a goalless draw.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think if that was if you were to
Speaker 2: evaluate this game as an entirety, that was probably the
Speaker 2: only negative is no goals, and at some point it
Speaker 2: looked like maybe the only goal was going to come
Speaker 2: from a penalty kick, which was very erroneously called. I
Speaker 2: understand why it was called on the field, I truly do.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that var was implemented to not have that
Speaker 2: as a penalty kick because that was that was not
Speaker 2: a penalty kick. Yes, that's not a handball, you know, John.
Speaker 2: This is one of those where I saw someone tweet
Speaker 2: that they would or skeet. I forget which apple was on,
Speaker 2: but they they were like, you know, we should make
Speaker 2: this kind of a Thanksgiving tradition. Ooh, I like that,
Speaker 2: and back and forth, depending on you know where it is. Honestly,
Speaker 2: wouldn't mind a November window always being in Europe. I
Speaker 2: think the US men used to do this a lot,
Speaker 2: especially under Kleansman. I think they should get back to that.
Speaker 2: And it gives you something to just look forward to
Speaker 2: for the Thanksgiving slate. Give you a little different taste
Speaker 2: on your palette other than the football you've been the
Speaker 2: American football you've been in.
Speaker 1: Seriously, if you started your day, you started your day
Speaker 1: in in in Angland.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: With like a nine a m. Eastern time US kick,
Speaker 1: it's two o'clock in the afternoon.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: You're done by eleven, You get your pregame show done,
Speaker 1: then you can focus on American football for the rest
Speaker 1: of the day. We have programmed a solution for.
Speaker 2: And for you know, a network like T and T
Speaker 2: and TBS. It doesn't really have college football, which is changing.
Speaker 2: I believe that they are getting college football for the playoff.
Speaker 2: Is that this.
Speaker 1: Happens, Yeah, they're They're a part of it. Yes, you
Speaker 1: know that.
Speaker 2: I think it's a great programming thing. And I think
Speaker 2: when you look at not just this being one versus
Speaker 2: two this year, because that's what it was, but just
Speaker 2: two programs that seem to value the women's teams very highly.
Speaker 2: That's the type of production you want to give to
Speaker 2: the rest of the world to force them to up
Speaker 2: their game when it comes to supporting with the women's side.
Speaker 2: And you know you're getting another one tomorrow with Netherlands.
Speaker 2: And I think that that on itself, John is really
Speaker 2: the big takeaway from this game, because when you're looking
Speaker 2: at the US play this game specifically, you don't have
Speaker 2: triple espresso. You don't have Katerina Macario. So those are
Speaker 2: four of your those are your four best attacking players,
Speaker 2: you know that. And if you're not having Sophia Smith
Speaker 2: start in the center, it's going to be cat start
Speaker 2: in the center. And then after that, you didn't even
Speaker 2: have like, you know, a the official who's still coming
Speaker 2: back from injury. You didn't really have a true striker,
Speaker 2: which needs to be something MHA figures out long term.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a little surprised that Ashley Hatch hasn't
Speaker 2: come back into the fold a little bit. She had
Speaker 2: a decent season for Washington. But when you don't have that, okay, well,
Speaker 2: you don't score any goals, you still created some decent chances.
Speaker 2: You still had opportunities to put the ball in the
Speaker 2: back of the net. You know, Mary rp proved that
Speaker 2: she's pretty darn good. John, I've heard this, so did
Speaker 2: at listen there, you know, And I think defensively you
Speaker 2: didn't really give up any true chances to England that
Speaker 2: were super scary. I thought Germa did a great job.
Speaker 2: I thought Krueger had a pretty decent game. And I
Speaker 2: think that is the takeaway is, well, you didn't give
Speaker 2: up any real chances to a very good England team.
Speaker 2: And although you didn't score any goals without your top talent,
Speaker 2: you still created a decent amount of chances.
Speaker 1: Ten to four in the shots, three to one on target,
Speaker 1: fifty four percent possession. But once again, possession for me
Speaker 1: is like time of possession in American college football is
Speaker 1: what you do.
Speaker 2: Says it earned from Friday Night, John means at least.
Speaker 1: Squat Yes, once again Americans in our review. Once again,
Speaker 1: no attack in the midfield look disjointed, nothing hit the target.
Speaker 1: Second half. Now, let's go through the numbers. A listenaire
Speaker 1: gets five. It's like a listener gets a five.
Speaker 2: And we do this.
Speaker 1: Theodore Lloyd Hughes TLH was the one in response for
Speaker 1: the numbers, this time for my friends in soccer America.
Speaker 1: And we do this as a part of either agreeing, disagreeing,
Speaker 1: or refuting the numbers that are presented here, just to
Speaker 1: give everybody a baseline for what went down. So a
Speaker 1: listen there gets a five. Reliable as ever, in all honesty,
Speaker 1: with such peerless performances from the defenders in front of her,
Speaker 1: she had very very little to do, only say she
Speaker 1: had was from Leah Williamson header cornerkick, second half ball
Speaker 1: trickled into the Americans gloves with the ease. So she
Speaker 1: gets a five because so TLH promotes the ever loven
Speaker 1: daylights out of her, she gets a five.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, I understand what he's saying, but that's bruh.
Speaker 1: Come on defenders once again. Naomi Germa Casey Krueger was
Speaker 1: also and Casey Krueger I needed to pull this. I
Speaker 1: needed to pull this highlight down. But Casey Kruger gives
Speaker 1: just as well as she received. Yeah, at ninety plus,
Speaker 1: there was a moment where it's a goalless draw and
Speaker 1: you're thinking, okay, both sides are thinking, yeah, okay, it's cool,
Speaker 1: we'll get out of here. Goals draw. So Casey Krueger
Speaker 1: gets knocked off her feet and gets sent basically into
Speaker 1: the coaches area, the coaches box, and she's down for
Speaker 1: a little bit. But then when she gets back up,
Speaker 1: ball is sent forward and she is more than happy
Speaker 1: to dial up a receipt and it was an instant receipt.
Speaker 1: She wasted no time on the payback on this one.
Speaker 2: I really did like that response from her. It was
Speaker 2: kind of funny because you know she got I mean,
Speaker 2: she did get a foul call for that instance on
Speaker 2: the sideline wow, as it should have been a foul,
Speaker 2: and she made sure that that wasn't just the only
Speaker 2: payback that England got for that. And that again, that's
Speaker 2: what this type of game, I mean, this game is
Speaker 2: not friendly. Both of these teams want to win. I
Speaker 2: mean again, England's number two in the world, they want
Speaker 2: to be number one. And if you're talking, England is
Speaker 2: looking at this as the first real step toward preparing
Speaker 2: for Euros twenty twenty five. Well, you're not going to
Speaker 2: get a better team than the US at euro So
Speaker 2: this is the best possible way to look at this
Speaker 2: as to prepare for that tournament.
Speaker 1: There was two hundred and forty eight years of history
Speaker 1: attached to those Also that also that I mean literally,
Speaker 1: but I like that. I like that laid in a
Speaker 1: man absolutely that A you're still dialed in, but B
Speaker 1: you're not gonna take any is ish from someone that
Speaker 1: wants to try to to You know, you can. You
Speaker 1: can give whatever degree of a hit you want. You
Speaker 1: can say it was cheap, you can say it was late,
Speaker 1: you can say it you know, it wasn't it wasn't
Speaker 1: square or anything like that. But yeah, someone plows you over.
Speaker 1: Casey Kruger is like, okay, I'll remember that. Oh you know,
Speaker 1: it's not like the Red Wings in the Avalanche where
Speaker 1: they wait three hundred and seventy one ways Jaron McCarty
Speaker 1: to chase after clothing you. It literally was within thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: Casey Krueger adheres to the code and gives the payback.
Speaker 2: I was saying, as she should. That's some also like
Speaker 2: some mom energy of like, uh, you're not getting this
Speaker 2: over on me, which I appreciate.
Speaker 1: Emily Fox, Emily Sonnett got six's, No McGear Mccasey Krueger
Speaker 1: got seven's.
Speaker 2: On the day, Yeah makes sense. Germa had a really
Speaker 2: good day. I think she again proved how how great
Speaker 2: she is at this sport.
Speaker 1: Yes, and is always top of the ladder when it
Speaker 1: comes to the soccer for US pods MVPs, so you
Speaker 1: always it's Gnomi Girma and then it's like, yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about everybody else. Yeah, all right, so forwards midfield,
Speaker 1: Roosevelt gets a five. Sam Coffee gets a six, Lindsay
Speaker 1: Horan got a four. T LH. Says a somewhat anonymous
Speaker 1: performance for captain Lindsay Horan, who continues to struggle to
Speaker 1: find the passing tempo needed, timing of late runs or
Speaker 1: the box threat. Took more shots three than any other player,
Speaker 1: but they were all rather poor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fair assessment of her. I thought Coffee
Speaker 2: was really darn good this game, though. I thought Rose
Speaker 2: had a really good game with a couple of good recoveries.
Speaker 2: Ball recoveries, especially higher up the field, which is kind
Speaker 2: of what I think Hayes realizes is going to be
Speaker 2: necessary for this team to truly generate a lot of chances,
Speaker 2: especially without tr Blispresso. But when you get those three
Speaker 2: in there, uh giving me the ball, you know, ball
Speaker 2: recoveries high up the field are going to be great
Speaker 2: ways to get those players into attack. So I thought
Speaker 2: Rhodes had a pretty good game. I don't think Lindsay
Speaker 2: was a four, but I would also have rated all
Speaker 2: the midfielders a slightly higher rating.
Speaker 1: So Lavelle quiet in the first half looked impressive After
Speaker 1: the break when Yasmine Ryan came off the bench. Ryan's
Speaker 1: pension for underlapping allowed Lavell to drive forward, get into
Speaker 1: the box just one shot off target for level on
Speaker 1: an outing where she passed better than she.
Speaker 2: Attacked, and that well, I'm sure we'll get to her quickly,
Speaker 2: but Yasmin Ryan is the one player you should talk
Speaker 2: about after this game.
Speaker 1: Forward's Emma Seares gets a four. Lynn Williams gets a five,
Speaker 1: Alissa Thompson gets a six. Let's see so.
Speaker 2: She speech, I want to take a beat on Thompson. Sorry,
Speaker 2: go for This was a great game for Alyssa Thompson,
Speaker 2: not because she played great, but you know who she's
Speaker 2: going up against, John See Brons and I don't know
Speaker 2: if you know this, She's she's an elite I have
Speaker 2: heard player I have heard, and I think for Alyssa
Speaker 2: this was a great chance to see what it takes
Speaker 2: to be the best. I mean, Lucy Brown's's top ten
Speaker 2: player period, you know, as a right back, and that
Speaker 2: battle all game. I think Bronze absolutely got the better
Speaker 2: of Thompson for the most part. But I think that
Speaker 2: is a great learning game for a very young Alyssa
Speaker 2: Thompson to again understand what it takes for her, which
Speaker 2: it's going to take for her to level up.
Speaker 1: Could have had the opening goal after five minutes when
Speaker 1: she picked up a Sears pass, took a touch powerful
Speaker 1: shot the corner, IRPs pulls off a good save to
Speaker 1: keep it goalis. After the break, Thompson faded both her
Speaker 1: and Williams removed in the seventy third as it started
Speaker 1: to feel like the USA had stagnated going forward. Lynn
Speaker 1: Williams had almost twice as many caps coming in seventy three.
Speaker 1: Then all the other US forwards on the squad, combined
Speaker 1: to her credit passage in the first half, stopped to
Speaker 1: counter attack and its tracks at the half remains an
Speaker 1: elite presser and counterpresser. Perhaps not the box threat needed
Speaker 1: in this game. Well correct, that was always gonna be.
Speaker 2: The problem is Lynn Williams is not a true nine
Speaker 2: and she doesn't really have the skills to be a
Speaker 2: false nine. That's not her game and it kind of
Speaker 2: showed the whole time.
Speaker 1: Yasmine Ryan, there were three paragraphs written by t lh
Speaker 1: a's Soccer America about Yasmine Ryan. Why were there three
Speaker 1: paragraphs written about the Gotham FC player.
Speaker 2: Well, I think first off, we didn't see a whole
Speaker 2: lot from her in the October camps. Part of that
Speaker 2: is just because she that was her first time playing
Speaker 2: for the national team. But she came in and changed
Speaker 2: the game. I mean you talked about a little bit
Speaker 2: of a lull happening midway through that second half. She
Speaker 2: came in and provided not just a spark, but an
Speaker 2: actual outlet for attack. She was making runs in behind,
Speaker 2: she was getting the ball at her feet and trying
Speaker 2: to take on players. It was a really good game
Speaker 2: for me, Ryan to the point where you go, oh,
Speaker 2: this is a woman who after one camp, got her confidence.
Speaker 2: Because sometimes that first national team camp you come in
Speaker 2: and you're just brimming with confidence. You're overflowing with it
Speaker 2: because you're like, oh, I got a call up, you know, finally,
Speaker 2: and that's great. But sometimes it can also be the
Speaker 2: opposite where you're like, oh, man, it's my first camp.
Speaker 2: I gotta be perfect. I gotta do this, I gotta
Speaker 2: do that. So, for example, Emma Sears, I think her
Speaker 2: first camp was great because she just kind of played
Speaker 2: the way she always has. I think he has me
Speaker 2: and Ryan now figured out how do I play within
Speaker 2: the system, how do I use my skill set to
Speaker 2: play within this system? Because she's very good on the ball.
Speaker 2: She's basically a midfielder who plays out on the wing,
Speaker 2: and I think she was able to do that a
Speaker 2: lot when she came into this game.
Speaker 1: Third ever cap. Multiple slip passes across face goal should
Speaker 1: have been finished off cross forced irp's off for line
Speaker 1: you need to be punched away. Also had the shot
Speaker 1: that almost won the penalty, but then it was reversed
Speaker 1: by var Balance made it very hard for England defend
Speaker 1: to guess which way she would go.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 1: Her switching wings during the match to in Frint level
Speaker 1: brought out the best in Levell hoped to make and
Speaker 1: helped make the field feel bigger if I could speak
Speaker 1: English goodly on a Monday.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the point about Levell is very important
Speaker 2: because I think rosevelas best, but she has some wingers
Speaker 2: that she can combine with. Both Rose and Lindsay aren't
Speaker 2: exactly positionally sound, which is a fine thing. They're very
Speaker 2: good at what they do and so Leavell being able
Speaker 2: to play off yasmin Ryan on either side was really
Speaker 2: fun to watch. It really important for this team going
Speaker 2: forward because that is the most similar to what we're
Speaker 2: going to see from be it Swanson or Rodman or
Speaker 2: even Smith. I mean they're going to interchange a lot
Speaker 2: because they're all good on it wherever they happen to
Speaker 2: be on the field. So yasmin Ryan being able to
Speaker 2: do that is a good plug in for those players
Speaker 2: when they're gone.
Speaker 1: Jayden Shaw got a five Corbra and Albert got a
Speaker 1: five Alley Centiner. Because it comes the eighth different player
Speaker 1: twenty one years old or younger to appear for the
Speaker 1: USA in twenty four, the most in a calendar year
Speaker 1: since what year, sir?
Speaker 2: Well? Can I can I get a hint? Sure? Two thousands?
Speaker 1: It ain't recent?
Speaker 2: Probably ninety eighty nine or ninety.
Speaker 1: Well, well, okay, I should have said twenty first century,
Speaker 1: but it aw Oh, twenty first century, twenty first century,
Speaker 1: but it ain't real.
Speaker 2: Two thousand and nine, two thousand and two tally include
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three World Cup.
Speaker 1: Including Heather O'Reilly, Hope, Solo, Ali Wagner, I'll be wombat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, eight different player twenty one years old or younger
Speaker 1: to appear for the USA in twenty Yeah.
Speaker 2: I always feel I forget that that that was the
Speaker 2: start of the Hope Solo Abby Womback transition because I
Speaker 2: always still think that the ninety nine ers are still
Speaker 2: all part of that team and they weren't part of
Speaker 2: the twenty two thousand and three World Cup. It's correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, still undefeated record with the national team now fourteen
Speaker 1: to oh to two. Second time the USA's failed to
Speaker 1: win since ma Hayes became head coaching June. The other
Speaker 1: was a goalless draw against coach.
Speaker 2: Ric Yeah, did they really that?
Speaker 1: Uh so you had you had the subs yellow cards,
Speaker 1: Coffee got one, Kelly got one at ninety plus four.
Speaker 1: It was a finish crew f I n n I
Speaker 1: s h le Tavada was the ref in the middle.
Speaker 1: Hayan and Paavolainen were your ars, Satuminen was your fourth
Speaker 1: Anti Munuka was your VR and your aba R was
Speaker 1: you can hunkn it. I just like I just like
Speaker 1: saying finish last names as we go through here. Shots
Speaker 1: on the day us A ten to four shots on target,
Speaker 1: three to one air go more saves for England three
Speaker 1: to one, six six corners compared to three twelve fouls
Speaker 1: called in the match, seven on England, three off sides,
Speaker 1: two for England position possession fifty four to forty six
Speaker 1: blank and do USA was off to the Hague and
Speaker 1: they're going to face off against the Netherlands and their
Speaker 1: last match at twenty twenty four tomorrow at two forty
Speaker 1: five Eastern time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought if I thought the referee had an
Speaker 2: interesting game.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so please proceed sir with your There were
Speaker 3: a couple of times that well, first off, in like
Speaker 3: the first ten minutes, Lindsey Horand gets absolutely stomped on
Speaker 3: and no foul called.
Speaker 2: And I thought Haran had a couple of times where
Speaker 2: she got fouled and Reugh didn't do anything about it.
Speaker 2: But the penalty kick was probably the most controversial and
Speaker 2: most important part of the match. I think when it
Speaker 2: first happened, we all were like, that didn't look like
Speaker 2: in a handball, you know, And the fact that she
Speaker 2: gave it was a little I understand why she pointed
Speaker 2: to the spot, but it was very clear upon review
Speaker 2: that it was not have been given at all for
Speaker 2: multiple reasons. Mainly, it didn't hit the non playable part
Speaker 2: of the body and also you know, it hit her
Speaker 2: thigh and then bounced up, So that was probably a
Speaker 2: bad decision to begin with.
Speaker 1: Okay. Two instances of refing down here that I wanted
Speaker 1: to get into both from the Premier League this week.
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, we never have refing issues in the
Speaker 2: Premier League, Johnny.
Speaker 1: No, we never do. And one has to do with
Speaker 1: a VAR check of four minutes and twenty seven seconds
Speaker 1: Brighton in Southampton and the VR eventual decision.
Speaker 2: Four minutes it ended like twenty seven to two. Why
Speaker 2: did we have that lung of a v VR.
Speaker 1: Check, big check to see if the goal that.
Speaker 2: Was the wrong one I was watching that was Switch Southampton.
Speaker 1: So this and once again what we do for references,
Speaker 1: We go to our buddy Dale Johnson, who is a
Speaker 1: fantastic job of looking at the moments from the weekend
Speaker 1: in the prem that we look at here on Mondays
Speaker 1: and we just pull a couple of them unless there's
Speaker 1: something else from another match that really just raises our
Speaker 1: hair on our collective neck. So now Brighton Southampton Southampton
Speaker 1: thought they had a two to one lead and Saints
Speaker 1: players go off to celebrate a delay of about thirty
Speaker 1: seconds before ref's allow. The onfield officials allowed to disallow
Speaker 1: the goal for an offside VAR checked to see if
Speaker 1: the goal could be awarded. They eventually wipe the goal
Speaker 1: off the board. Now Dale Johnson says it's a decision
Speaker 1: which can be explained in law, but it took far
Speaker 1: too long, makes the decision seem worse than it otherwise
Speaker 1: might have ref and his ar deemed that by flicking
Speaker 1: at the ball, Armstrong makes an obvious action which clearly
Speaker 1: impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball.
Speaker 1: And then that case the opponent was the keeper for
Speaker 1: Brighton Bart ver Brugen. For Brugen's on his line didn't move,
Speaker 1: so how can he be impacted. The law intends to
Speaker 1: prevent an offside player doing something which affects an opponent.
Speaker 1: It could be, you know, kicking the ball dummy. We'll
Speaker 1: think of it this way, an act which, if not present,
Speaker 1: might result in the opponent taking a different decision. For
Speaker 1: Brugen cannot move from his position at the near post
Speaker 1: as the cross from Ryan Fraser goes close. No possible
Speaker 1: offense from Armstrong until he flicked his leg out. The
Speaker 1: law also says you don't have to think that Armstrong
Speaker 1: can score or even get a shot on target, only
Speaker 1: that the obvious action has an impact. So could ver
Speaker 1: Brugen could have moved over to the center of goal
Speaker 1: to archer sooner. The law does not demand that the
Speaker 1: keeper has been stopped for making a save, only that
Speaker 1: his ability to do so has been impacted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think yeah, I mean, I think they got
Speaker 2: this right. I do think that these types of offside
Speaker 2: ruling should take a little bit longer because you want
Speaker 2: to make sure you are interpreting all that you just
Speaker 2: said correctly. Of interfering with active play, that's the rule,
Speaker 2: right If you are involved or interfere with active play,
Speaker 2: you're going to be considered offside. And in this particular moment,
Speaker 2: the lead striker where a ball literally runs right through
Speaker 2: his legs and like it kind of basically looks like
Speaker 2: it just goes right through his legs and he's in
Speaker 2: an offside position, or at least goes slightly behind him,
Speaker 2: but he does make an action that to me is
Speaker 2: absolutely enough to call him off side because he's he's
Speaker 2: trying to get he is trying to involve himself an
Speaker 2: active play. It's not about touching. He made a play
Speaker 2: on a ball from an offside position that has definitely
Speaker 2: interfered with the goalkeeper's ability to make a play on
Speaker 2: the ball. Period. I think again, as the writer out
Speaker 2: got it correct. I do think that the time it
Speaker 2: took to get this correct is a problem, and that's
Speaker 2: where I do wish that from what I remember, the
Speaker 2: referee never went to the monitor for this.
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I think this is the type of play where the
Speaker 2: referee should go to the monitor. It should be a
Speaker 2: very quick like, hey, he's in an offside position. We
Speaker 2: want you to make sure that you think that he's
Speaker 2: not interfering with play, or if he is interfering with play,
Speaker 2: let the on field official make that decision. Again, I
Speaker 2: think the problem with the Premier League is the center
Speaker 2: referee very rarely does go to the monitor, and I
Speaker 2: think they should empower them to do that, but they
Speaker 2: keep giving someone else who's not involved in the game
Speaker 2: at all more power than they should.
Speaker 1: Three minutes and twenty three seconds to determine if the
Speaker 1: action was interrupted, and then another minute and four seconds
Speaker 1: to check on the off side.
Speaker 2: Which the off side was pretty to me, the offside
Speaker 2: was pretty clear the player was offside, and so that's
Speaker 2: where I would be looking at it. And this is why,
Speaker 2: again I don't understand why when you watch it originally
Speaker 2: you should be checking for an offside The goal scorer
Speaker 2: was not offside, Okay, fine, but when you looked at
Speaker 2: it immediately that patch, you go, oh, that dude is offside,
Speaker 2: like he is in an off side position, very clearly,
Speaker 2: and in fact, the goal scorer was darn close to
Speaker 2: being offside in his own right. So that's where I'm going. Okay,
Speaker 2: is very clear that there's an offside question. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: goal scorer may have been on side. Okay, fine, check
Speaker 2: that off Fine, but then you have to go, well,
Speaker 2: this player was in an offside position. Roll the tape. Oh,
Speaker 2: that looks like it could be a problem. Hey, I
Speaker 2: forget who the center referee was, but hey, John, go
Speaker 2: go to the monitor. See if you think that this
Speaker 2: was interfering with active play the goalkeeper's ability to make
Speaker 2: a play on the ball. And good job that. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying it would have taken less time. But I
Speaker 2: think the problem is when you're just have the center
Speaker 2: referee standing there almost twiddling his thumbs waiting for you know,
Speaker 2: putting his hand up to his ear, going oh I'm checking,
Speaker 2: they're checking. It just seems so passive versus a referee
Speaker 2: going to a monitor to go look at it. To say, okay,
Speaker 2: what do I think happened here, especially when in this
Speaker 2: case it was very clear the player was offside. This
Speaker 2: is not about MLS telling them to go to a
Speaker 2: monitor to maybe determine if they're offside or on side.
Speaker 2: We know they are because the primary league has that technology.
Speaker 2: So then for me, the next step should be on
Speaker 2: field official needs to look at the play to determine
Speaker 2: if this was offside or not.
Speaker 1: All right, and so if you go, if you work backwards,
Speaker 1: let's just say you work backwards, even if you don't
Speaker 1: go to the monitor. The off side decision was a
Speaker 1: minute four That should have been the easiest one. To
Speaker 1: sit there and go yes, no, it's like ding ding
Speaker 1: ding boom, and then you move on and then working backwards.
Speaker 1: It would not have taken four minutes and twenty seven
Speaker 1: seconds to come up with a decision A. If you
Speaker 1: go to the monitor and take a peek with me.
Speaker 1: B maybe if you work backwards and go okay offside
Speaker 1: not offside? Okay, ding ding ding, We got that taken
Speaker 1: care of. It takes with fifteen twenty seconds and then
Speaker 1: you go when you focus on the other three and
Speaker 1: a half minutes, it's get something done with two acts.
Speaker 2: I think to have that action take three and a
Speaker 2: half minutes to review his crazy Honestly, go.
Speaker 1: To the monitor, people, it ain't it's just look, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna hurt my feelings if you go to the monitor.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to think less of you, of an individual.
Speaker 2: If you go to the monitor and again, then it
Speaker 2: puts that hand the decision making in the hands of
Speaker 2: the on field official, which is I think what most
Speaker 2: people would be more comfortable with.
Speaker 1: Yep. Item number two comes from Liverpool Manchester City and
Speaker 1: it's the Ortega penalty call. As he goes and he
Speaker 1: chases after this one, and this is an important point
Speaker 1: that needs to be made in these kinds of situation
Speaker 1: waits where I know that there was hue and cry,
Speaker 1: and there was quite a hue and quite a cry
Speaker 1: about it being nothing there because Ortega was making a
Speaker 1: play for the ball and it looked like Diaz just
Speaker 1: basically fell over Ortega and you get the penalty call.
Speaker 1: So Luis Diaz chasing after a loose ball Stephan Ortega
Speaker 1: is first to get to the ball, but then Luis Diaz,
Speaker 1: who is second, ends up making contact with Ortega as
Speaker 1: Ortega is stretching to make contact. Luis Diaz goes over
Speaker 1: the top of Ortega and it is called a penalty.
Speaker 1: It is then reviewed, the penalty stands. So was there
Speaker 1: a case for offside? Was there a case for a
Speaker 1: red on Ortega? And was this even a penalty or
Speaker 1: was Luis Diaz kind of sitting there and fishing for
Speaker 1: a car? So this is what we're staring at in
Speaker 1: this particular instance. Yeah, so a lot. There's a lot
Speaker 1: to unpack here. And if you want to go through
Speaker 1: it in real time or instance to instance to instance
Speaker 1: instead of staring at it from thirty thousand feet and
Speaker 1: you want to walk through the play, go ahead and
Speaker 1: walk through the play as you see it.
Speaker 2: Well, so this is this is where I understand it's
Speaker 2: tough because most people are going to say or take
Speaker 2: a oh, well he gets the ball, or some level
Speaker 2: of that type of commentary. Right, I just want to
Speaker 2: reiterate that winning the ball as a defender does not
Speaker 2: mean that you are excused from making a foul. And
Speaker 2: I think that's the problem here is you can argue
Speaker 2: that in this case the goalkeeper is they are first. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you can, But did they get the ball first.
Speaker 2: And that's the question. I I don't know, John, This
Speaker 2: is the tough one because I get the point, but
Speaker 2: because there's very minimal contact. But the reality is the
Speaker 2: goalkeeper doesn't touch the ball, right, he doesn't. He may
Speaker 2: get to the place first, but he doesn't touch the ball.
Speaker 2: So the attacker having to jump over them.
Speaker 1: He doesn't. The attacker is the attacker does not have
Speaker 1: to take evasive action.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to. He could have just ran over
Speaker 2: or ran through him, you know. And then we're talking
Speaker 2: about having a fight because someone's mad about that him
Speaker 2: running into the goalkeeper, and so to me is like, well,
Speaker 2: he at least tried to avoid him. Yeah, do I
Speaker 2: think he was probably I don't even know, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't think he was looking for a foul that
Speaker 2: bad thing. Anyway, Again, he didn't really drag his feet.
Speaker 2: He tried to chip the goalkeeper and go over m
Speaker 2: because he knew he could probably score from there. And
Speaker 2: again I think the goalkeeper gets the spot first. I
Speaker 2: don't know if he gets any of the ball, but
Speaker 2: he doesn't intentionally get the player. But he's in the
Speaker 2: path of the player to get to the ball, and
Speaker 2: he's not in a position to play it at that
Speaker 2: point in time. And that is the problem with the
Speaker 2: goalkeeper when they go to the ground like that specifically,
Speaker 2: or any defender when they go to the ground. Once
Speaker 2: you have committed to the ground to winning that ball,
Speaker 2: well you're no longer in consideration for playing that ball
Speaker 2: once it goes past you. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So it's hard for me to say like, oh, they're
Speaker 2: within playable distance now, It's like, well, the ball is
Speaker 2: behind them and they're laying on the ground, so what
Speaker 2: is playing? What is a playable distance at that point?
Speaker 2: I think eventually the I think this is probably the
Speaker 2: correct call. But this goes to one of those like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a foul, but it should it.
Speaker 1: Be a penalty kick as it is class Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the problem a trauma seeing attack on a penalty rather
Speaker 1: than dogs no yellow cards.
Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, this is not dog so because there's
Speaker 2: a legitimate play on the ball, right, I mean, as
Speaker 2: as simple as that, right, I mean, he is absolutely
Speaker 2: the last of vendor is absolutely a dog so thing.
Speaker 2: But because I mean, I think it's fair to say
Speaker 2: this goalkeeper was making he wasn't trying to file the player.
Speaker 2: He was trying to the ball. He just didn't, right,
Speaker 2: I mean I I don't even think he like reached
Speaker 2: out and tried to grab him.
Speaker 1: From what I can tell, you know, he's thinking ball first,
Speaker 1: and whatever happens happened.
Speaker 2: And so when we when we classify this as dogs,
Speaker 2: it's probably dogs, so yellow is maybe what they called it,
Speaker 2: versus stopping a promising attack. But regardless, this outcome is
Speaker 2: because we this is not a red card because there
Speaker 2: was a legitimate play on the ball in the penalty area.
Speaker 2: We don't want to give teams both a red card
Speaker 2: and a penalty kick aka a goal down. You know,
Speaker 2: that's where we are now. At the same time, you know,
Speaker 2: I know it's it's unfair to call any penalties against
Speaker 2: Manchester City. That's somehow so sure you know those checks
Speaker 2: stopped clearing all of a sudden, I think is what happened.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that is just not a dog so red
Speaker 2: because there is a legit this is a legitimate play
Speaker 2: to win the ball. He just doesn't. And again even
Speaker 2: if he had gotten a piece of it, he still
Speaker 2: comes through and clears out the attacker. Again, winning the
Speaker 2: ball does not preclude you from fouling someone.
Speaker 1: All right, So what's going on with the soccer for
Speaker 1: US PO D Are you waiting for the next match?
Speaker 2: The match tomorrow which is as you mentioned in Didn't
Speaker 2: Hug against Netherlands And we will be recording for the
Speaker 2: episode after that later this week, maybe trying to get
Speaker 2: some different voices on here. Hopefully they respond and say
Speaker 2: they can do it and kind of the it for
Speaker 2: actual matches. This The final US Soccer match of the
Speaker 2: season is tomorrow, and then we'll be having some kind
Speaker 2: of year in review and twenty twenty five look forwards
Speaker 2: always like to do those like resolutions for US Soccer
Speaker 2: will come up in the new year. But we'll also
Speaker 2: have some of our our our favorite moments of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four coming out right before Christmas, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: doing some other things for the festive not festive fixtures,
Speaker 2: the festive what's the word we want to the festive
Speaker 2: foolishness that does during the holiday weeks and all that
Speaker 2: absolutely what do you want to call it? Well, it's
Speaker 2: just holiday hullabaloo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Yeah, So the yeah, the the
Speaker 1: shenanigans that we have during December as.
Speaker 2: We get ready Shenanigans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Holida Hullabaloo and the seasonal Shenanigans
Speaker 1: where we where we try to pronounce finish, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: finish referee cruise as best we can. Uh. Yes. We're
Speaker 1: looking forward to episode CV where you do not where
Speaker 1: you do not have to put up your resume, but
Speaker 1: you'll be looking at the US May after a full
Speaker 1: season of twenty twenty four. We will be catching up
Speaker 1: with you obviously again next week and whenever the hell
Speaker 1: you wanna come drop by and vent about West By God,
Speaker 1: Virginia and anything else going on in Bowl season.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, don we do have a Minimalist Cup
Speaker 2: final coming up this Saturday, so I must I will,
Speaker 2: I will say I will not be able to watch
Speaker 2: it live. I'll be at a Casey Musk Graves concert
Speaker 2: and so I'm doing two nights in a row with her.
Speaker 2: But I'll be watching it on Sunday on my drive home.
Speaker 1: I assume someone else will be driving while you're watching.
Speaker 2: On my ride home, I should say checking and we'll
Speaker 2: be ready. I'm sure, John, we will have to talk
Speaker 2: about referee wise on my whole Yes, of course, I
Speaker 2: do have to say, John, Ricky Puig whatever with the strained, torn, torn,
Speaker 2: house severed, acl torn, insane. That he's still able to
Speaker 2: play that and play as I mean, that is for him,
Speaker 2: but that is a huge loss for Galaxy going to
Speaker 2: this match. I don't know if it changes like that.
Speaker 2: I still think they're the favorite, but man, that's cool.
Speaker 2: Also shout out to some women's soccer history. This will
Speaker 2: be the first MLS Cup Final, another MLS Cup Final,
Speaker 2: as you say, hosted in a World Cup final stadium.
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: There you go, But no, definitely going to be looking
Speaker 1: at it all week long and trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what's going on. Jay Intlick, head coach for Columbus State,
Speaker 1: it's going to be joining us on the women, for
Speaker 1: the women as they continue to advance. He's going to
Speaker 1: be joining us tomorrow morning at nine thirty to break
Speaker 1: down what happened on the weekend and talk from some
Speaker 1: Division two women's soccer as well.
Speaker 2: Division one soccer up the Seaton this weekend.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so we're going to be taking dives into
Speaker 1: college se and going through all that stuff. So we
Speaker 1: will be enjoying episode CV. My friend coming out later
Speaker 1: on this week and once again whenever you want to
Speaker 1: drop in, drop in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cheers y'all.
Speaker 1: There, he goes, So what's the mug by the way?
Speaker 1: I forgot to ask?
Speaker 2: So happy as it? Just as happy holidays, because today
Speaker 2: is the first Yeah, it's the first day that I've
Speaker 2: seen you of the Christmas season.
Speaker 1: So okay, And so this is when everybody starts hanging
Speaker 1: up all of their stuff.
Speaker 2: Nice. Well I can't see, but my stuff is starting
Speaker 2: to go up. Okay.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we got we got the tree yesterday and
Speaker 1: we're waiting for the tree to flu before we add
Speaker 1: all of the appropriate to My tree will.
Speaker 2: Be going up today and tomorrow probably.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, be good, my friend. We'll see you soon.