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<v Speaker 1>Big Food and Beyond.

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<v Speaker 2>With Cliff and Bubo.

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<v Speaker 3>And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay.

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<v Speaker 4>Good day, Bubbo, Good day sir.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing? My friend oh Man.

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<v Speaker 5>Just like a lot of the people, we lost another

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<v Speaker 5>great one, this one not as unexpected, but I mean

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<v Speaker 5>just our good buddy Waldly here's some bigfoot benefactor. I

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<v Speaker 5>mean supported all of us with the user of equipment

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, just support, you know, like giving us

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<v Speaker 5>gas money to go on missions and whatever. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>he's just just a great guy. He's had an interesting role.

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<v Speaker 5>He's behind the scenes guy, but he's had a huge

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<v Speaker 5>impact on all of us and we just all love

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<v Speaker 5>the guy. So it's just it's sad that he's gone.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got word of that last week actually on Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>as I was driving home from my friend's funeral. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was a gut just a one two punch in

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<v Speaker 2>the gut on there. I mean, gosh, looking back to

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<v Speaker 2>September ninth, I think it was when doctor Meldrim died,

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<v Speaker 2>So we had like Meldrum died, Scott Violette died, my

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<v Speaker 2>buddy Jeff died, then Wally died. Four friends in the

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<v Speaker 2>last what six weeks? Oh, and Jane Goodall too. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know her, but we claimed her as her own.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know there's a yeah, four friends and someone

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<v Speaker 2>I would have liked to have known in what period

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<v Speaker 2>of six weeks?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's we were saying, like they go on threes

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<v Speaker 5>and it was like it was like we were claiming

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<v Speaker 5>Jane good All. But like you know, we didn't have

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<v Speaker 5>like a I mean, Wally was like a personal good

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<v Speaker 5>friend to all of us.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and he really made a lot of early

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<v Speaker 2>research and thermal imaging possible. I mean he gave me

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<v Speaker 2>my first therm. It's still being used today, or the

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<v Speaker 2>second term actually is being used today in the museum.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that if you go into the museum and look

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<v Speaker 2>at yourself on the thermal imager on the thermal imaging display,

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<v Speaker 2>that is one that was a gift from Wally. So

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<v Speaker 2>and of course he funded the Olympic project for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time as well.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he bart and I was first, do you have

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<v Speaker 5>a squats through thermal was because of while he brought

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<v Speaker 5>up to the red Woods one time when he was

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<v Speaker 5>up here on an expedition, like twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>Almost. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a lot of time in the Woods with

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<v Speaker 2>Wally and went to Florida with him. I went to Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 2>I think with him one time. I went no, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he was on that one northern

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<v Speaker 2>California numerous times with him. He was just a great,

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<v Speaker 2>great dude man, a great great dude. And he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be sorely missed. He was ninety years.

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<v Speaker 4>Old, ninety three, I think, no, I had that.

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<v Speaker 2>His son told me ninety. But I could be wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>but I could be wrong. But nonetheless, a good run,

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<v Speaker 2>a good run, and an exciting life. Very interesting guy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. He had a major in music. He played clarinet, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>at Long Beach State, right, yeah, Long Beach State. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then of course he went into the Army. And

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<v Speaker 2>he told me that he took an aptitude test when

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<v Speaker 2>he went into the army because there weren't enough gigs

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<v Speaker 2>for a working musician at the time to support a

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<v Speaker 2>wife and family, and he took an aptitude test and

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<v Speaker 2>when it came back the person who you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>military dude who gave him the aptitude test, says, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just going to keep in electronics, you know where

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<v Speaker 2>you're good and while he goes, what do you mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he says, well, yeah, you aced your electronics section, so

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<v Speaker 2>we're just going to keep you there. So that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you obviously do for a living or something. And Wally goes,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know the first thing about electronics. He goes, what, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you got you aced it. You totally aced it. And

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<v Speaker 2>of course while he was in the army, things happened

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<v Speaker 2>and he got the seed idea, and he basically revolutionized

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<v Speaker 2>power supplies even though he didn't know a darn thing

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<v Speaker 2>about electronics. Pretty much every cell tower in the world

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<v Speaker 2>runs on some component that Wally Harson thought up. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's how he made his wealth, kind of on accidents through.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Something very and I remember that it brought the powers

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<v Speaker 2>apply the size of a building to a power supply

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<v Speaker 2>the size of a car, is what he told me

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<v Speaker 2>at one point.

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<v Speaker 5>And then then he let his patent. He he just said,

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<v Speaker 5>he goes, well, I think it'd be better for the world.

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<v Speaker 5>Like he had a huge patent and that he decided

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<v Speaker 5>just to let go. He said, you know what, it's

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<v Speaker 5>his His patent was holding people back from you know,

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<v Speaker 5>like startups and like young bright minds from you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the you know, go Forth because they couldn't pay him

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<v Speaker 5>or whatever. So he just said he just threw the patent.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't remember which one it was, but there's something

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<v Speaker 5>about a CDC adapters and you know it helped the

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<v Speaker 5>whole you know, help mankind really, you know, like get better,

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<v Speaker 5>cheaper power.

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah, he is, he is. I remember I mean this.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean he was.

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<v Speaker 5>He was a legit billionaire and I just never forget.

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<v Speaker 5>We were sitting in the winter up in a garbage

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<v Speaker 5>dump on the Olympic Peninsula, the Quinnault Reservation, and while

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<v Speaker 5>he was sitting there, I was like, well, you could

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<v Speaker 5>be like chartering a yacht Mediterranean with ten playmates on it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, You're sitting in a cold, freezing rain garbage.

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<v Speaker 5>Dump, you know, out here in the middle of nowhere,

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<v Speaker 5>with you know, with us our bottle of wine with

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<v Speaker 5>clon bobo and He's just like, I love it.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just like, this guy's the man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one of the coolest duds to ever live. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry to see him go.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. So anyways, yeah, we miss you well, I love

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<v Speaker 4>you and best of his whole.

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<v Speaker 6>Family and Jay, Yeah sad to see him go.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Anyways, what we got? What do we got this week? On?

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<v Speaker 4>We got a good guess here.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a fantastic guest. You know, this guy may

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<v Speaker 2>not be a household name in Bigfoot. He's not a

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<v Speaker 2>Roger Patterson level celebrity and Bigfoot. In his own words,

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<v Speaker 2>just a little while ago while we're chatting, I think

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<v Speaker 2>he said he's the worst promoted Bigfooter of all times.

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<v Speaker 2>But that does not make him any less dear to

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<v Speaker 2>my herd or yours, Bobes or Matt Prude who's working

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<v Speaker 2>around in the background somewhere.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have a great friend on today. That I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm interested in speaking to him because I've known this

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<v Speaker 2>guy for years and years we all have, and and

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<v Speaker 2>I was just thinking a little while ago, how remarkably

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<v Speaker 2>little I actually do know about this guy, even though

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<v Speaker 2>I call him a friend. So let's hop in there

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<v Speaker 2>and learn a little bit our good everybody's new friend

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<v Speaker 2>Sean Forker. Sean, thanks so much for coming on the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast with us.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, thanks for having me, guys. I appreciate being here. Bobo.

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<v Speaker 6>It's finally great to talk to you, sir. I miss

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<v Speaker 6>you at conferences. We never seem to line up at

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<v Speaker 6>the same events, but it's great to sit down and

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<v Speaker 6>talk with you guys today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I glad to hear Yeah, you know, speaking of

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<v Speaker 2>the conferences, that's at about the only time I see

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<v Speaker 2>you nowadays. Of course, that's about the only time I

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<v Speaker 2>see a lot of my Bigfoot friends who are spread

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<v Speaker 2>around the country. And since Bobo's not so much on

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<v Speaker 2>the road anymore, got a wonder like, would you be

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<v Speaker 2>willing to travel to go see Bobo if you knew

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<v Speaker 2>Bobo was going to be appearing somewhere.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, He's one of the few bigfooters over the

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<v Speaker 6>years that you know, you know through association or by

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<v Speaker 6>you know, of course finding Bigfoot, but also you know

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<v Speaker 6>just through reading different investigations and the books, that he's

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<v Speaker 6>just a guy I have to meet. It feels like

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<v Speaker 6>I've known him forever, just like Youcliff. I felt like

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<v Speaker 6>I've known you forever in Ohio. Now, I wasn't there

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<v Speaker 6>that year. I wasn't there that year. Bobo, you must

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<v Speaker 6>have met an imposter.

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<v Speaker 4>I went to like four ohios.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, everyone, every year you want is a year I missed.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I guess I guess we'll listening to your podcast.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess I thought i'd Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>The podcast has been around for a long time though, too,

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<v Speaker 6>man like, we've been doing that for since two thousand

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<v Speaker 6>and six, before podcasting was a thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you the longest running bigfoot podcast?

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<v Speaker 6>No, Steve calls the Squatch Detective is, but we're pretty

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<v Speaker 6>close with them after that. Congratulations, Thanks, I've done your

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<v Speaker 6>podcast before, But what is the name of your podcast?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't remember Sasquatch Experience, very Hendrix like of you. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, now there's all kinds of experiences, the Joe

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<v Speaker 6>Rogan experience. You know, everybody's got an experience, but we

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<v Speaker 6>were the Sasquatch experience before the experience was cool. And

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<v Speaker 6>can even wonder if you know, besides our community, if

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<v Speaker 6>Bigfoot is really cool, right bigfoots, that's good. It's cool

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<v Speaker 6>to us, and that's what matters.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's very clear that Joe Rogan obviously copied

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<v Speaker 2>your podcasts name, right, I mean already did. Yeah, following

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<v Speaker 2>the in the in the path of greatness of course.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you know, I'm glad that they can, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>take an example. I'm proud to be an example for

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<v Speaker 6>many out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep fighting the good fight, my friend. Well, so tell

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<v Speaker 2>us about your podcast, I mean it has it stayed

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<v Speaker 2>in the same format the entire time, same host, same length,

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<v Speaker 2>same everything, or what's the what's the difference here between

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<v Speaker 2>the Sasquatch experience in twenty twenty five versus two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and six.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you know, I think the one thing that makes

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<v Speaker 6>Sasquatch experience different is we don't focus on, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>the uh sensationalized Bigfoot stories, and we don't you know,

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<v Speaker 6>over promote or rely on buzzwords to you know, promote

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<v Speaker 6>those the episodes, we don't embellish them. You know, we

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<v Speaker 6>talk about either topics in the field, whether it's some

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<v Speaker 6>sort of research topic, or we talk with a uh,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, an actual field investigator or somebody that puts

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<v Speaker 6>had a long term interest, you know, because I also

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<v Speaker 6>feel like as a post you know, I know there's

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<v Speaker 6>a popular viewpoint out there that armchair researchers, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>they're just you know commentators online, but some of them

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<v Speaker 6>are very useful and they could provide you with data

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<v Speaker 6>pretty quickly when you need it. So we talk with

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<v Speaker 6>the quote unquote armchairs and you know, anybody that's you know,

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<v Speaker 6>pretty credible. We try to do a good job of

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<v Speaker 6>vetting and sorting who we're talking to, and not to

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<v Speaker 6>be snobs, but just because we have a particular audience

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<v Speaker 6>that listens to the show. And now cliff it hash

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<v Speaker 6>changed its format. It started with myself and Henry May.

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<v Speaker 6>to you know, having Vance and has bit Matt Arner

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<v Speaker 6>I'm more moderate now than host. So it's it's changed

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<v Speaker 6>what our purpose is. And while it's entertainment, it's really

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you're avoiding the buzzwords as you say,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean to use that term, and that's basically you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of like verbal clickbait to some way. Is

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I don't like the you know, like, yeah, clickbait's

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<v Speaker 6>to be about the subject, not about me, not about

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<v Speaker 6>anything else, you know, not that I'm not an interesting person,

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<v Speaker 6>because I kind of think I am, but I just

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know. I'm happy being a footnote in this story.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know, wherever it takes me is where it

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<v Speaker 6>takes me. But you know, I love this topic. I

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<v Speaker 4>You guys don't have chilling and terrifying episodes every week.

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<v Speaker 6>No, no, you know, I you know, don't talk about

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<v Speaker 6>you know, Rainbow versus Bigfoot or you know, Bigfoot kicking

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<v Speaker 6>down a front door and decapitating a family. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>that's not what you know we're about.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's not you're blowing it.

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<v Speaker 6>I know, I missing a huge opportunity there. We did

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<v Speaker 6>toy with the idea of like adding a fictional component

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<v Speaker 6>to the show, where we were going to run like

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<v Speaker 6>a long term story through a whole season. But then

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<v Speaker 6>I kind of felt, well, we're going against what kind

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<v Speaker 6>of our core values are. Even though it would be

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<v Speaker 6>entertainment and presented that way, we wouldn't want to confuse anybody,

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<v Speaker 6>even on the slightest in doing that, because you know,

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<v Speaker 6>it is a matter how hard you try to tell people, y'all.

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<v Speaker 6>It was just you know, it was just a story.

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<v Speaker 6>Someone's going to come along and say, been hoaxing or

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<v Speaker 6>all that, and I don't want to deal with any

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And there's the state of the audience today. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean not our audience and probably not yours either, But

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<v Speaker 2>people will believe anything you put out there, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's they are specifically told in their face, probably

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<v Speaker 2>several times in an episode that it is fiction.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh that doesn't even matter anymore. You know, if somebody's

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<v Speaker 6>convicted enough in that story, we could tell them it's

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<v Speaker 6>made up, or or someone told you that. You know. Hell,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, I know for a fat Cliff that you're

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<v Speaker 6>a plant by the government. Does the hide to Bigfoot mystery?

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<v Speaker 2>You know I've heard that many times.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah right, you know we're all shills for the lumber

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<v Speaker 6>industry or whatnot to keep Bigfoot under wraps. You hear

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<v Speaker 6>it all the time. It's the silliest. If I was

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<v Speaker 6>a show for a government agency, I wouldn't be working

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<v Speaker 6>for a living. There'd be a lot more zeros in

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<v Speaker 6>my bank account. If you're going to get me to

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<v Speaker 6>participate in a couple. I'm not saying I'm not for sale.

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<v Speaker 6>If anybody's listening out there, you know I can be bought.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm just saying that it would be I would not

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<v Speaker 6>be working for a living if that was the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd have better healthcare, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 6>How about it, man, My god, rising costs, Let's fix it.

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<v Speaker 6>Get back to work, people.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff

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<v Speaker 7>and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I think a lot of this the steff

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<v Speaker 2>that we're seeing out there, you know, it's been in

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<v Speaker 2>the New era, and you know, say, you're an old timer.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're much younger than me. I think, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>did you just turn forty years old or something?

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<v Speaker 6>Just turned forty?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so you're just a youngling as far as

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<v Speaker 2>I'm concerned. But you are basically an old timer because

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<v Speaker 2>you've been in this game for even longer than I have.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think this is my thirty first or

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<v Speaker 2>thirty second year. I can't remember. I had the thirty

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<v Speaker 2>first year of doing bigfoot stuff, and you've been doing

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<v Speaker 6>Well right, and it's it goes back to when I

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<v Speaker 6>got involved in it, and I got involved in it

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<v Speaker 6>very young. And you know, my grandfather had just passed

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<v Speaker 6>away on Thursday, but he's a big reason I got

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<v Speaker 6>involved in this. Growing up in you know, our family

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<v Speaker 6>shows like In Search of and Our Unsolved Mysteries and

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<v Speaker 6>Arthur C. Clark's Mysterious World We're always on. And Grandpa

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<v Speaker 6>always had these books Strange Creatures of the Amazon, or

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<v Speaker 6>he had this book by Vincent Price called Monsters. It's

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<v Speaker 6>actually on the shelf in my studio here and actually

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<v Speaker 6>I'd beaten the hell out of a book so bad

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<v Speaker 6>it's kept together by duct tape. And in there it

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<v Speaker 6>had pictures of Deloy's Ape, if you remember that story

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<v Speaker 6>from South America, which was a huge influence on me,

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<v Speaker 6>Like what the hell's this man monkey type thing? Of course,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, we learned later it was, you know, nothing

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<v Speaker 6>more than a spider monkey, but it was still cool

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<v Speaker 6>and in my mind, you know, hella awesome. And then

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<v Speaker 6>when I was eight, on a road trip to Virginia

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<v Speaker 6>Beach to see one of my uncles, I wouldn't shut up.

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<v Speaker 6>I was driving my dad nuts in the car. So

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<v Speaker 6>he gets a book, and the book happened to be

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<v Speaker 6>Sasquatched The Apes among Us because my dad's also always

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<v Speaker 6>been interested in all this. And I read that book

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<v Speaker 6>at eight years old, if you can imagine reading Sasquatch

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<v Speaker 6>the Apes among Us and I read the chapter Eastern

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<v Speaker 6>Action and realized this is in Pennsylvania because you know,

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<v Speaker 6>back then all the TV shows talked about it in

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<v Speaker 6>like the Pacific Northwest, and I'm like, holy crap. And

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<v Speaker 6>then to me and I just started finding everything I can.

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<v Speaker 6>Libraries had, you know, a few books on Bigfoot. I

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<v Speaker 6>would get the books I can. I still might not

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<v Speaker 6>have ever taken some of them back. I'm sorry, I'll

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<v Speaker 6>make it up to you. And like I was just

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<v Speaker 6>captivated by all this. And then when I got to

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<v Speaker 6>be a teenager, I was like, oh, hey, I can

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<v Speaker 6>go out and investigate. And you know, I found the

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<v Speaker 6>BFRO website, like when that first came online, the internet

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<v Speaker 6>Virtual Bigfoot Conference. So like there was all this great

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<v Speaker 6>information coming to me at a great time. I just

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<v Speaker 6>happened to be fortunate guys to grow up at that time.

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<v Speaker 6>The Internet was starting to take off, and so that

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<v Speaker 6>opened up a whole new world to bigfoot. And then

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<v Speaker 6>I joined the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society and met Eric Altman,

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<v Speaker 6>and Eric Altman who I call my mentor, and I

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<v Speaker 6>think he's he still can't believe anybody would consider him

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<v Speaker 6>a mentor, but you know, he brought me into this

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<v Speaker 6>and taught me a whole heck of a lot. So

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<v Speaker 6>that's really how I got into this. My grandpa's fast

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<v Speaker 6>nation with weird things, and it just kind of, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>took me by storm.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you got raised by some good kinfolk there, I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>Grandpa and dad interested in it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's that's great.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, well, my grandfather used to host a UFO

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<v Speaker 6>study group under the guise of a Bible study. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>and he shared that with us, not not well, maybe

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<v Speaker 6>a couple of years ago, because you couldn't talk about

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<v Speaker 6>that stuff back then, because you know, you were hell

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<v Speaker 6>that was probably during the Satanic Panic era and everything else.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, you talk about that stuff, they'll you know,

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<v Speaker 6>we're in small town Pennsylvania. You know, you probably wouldn't

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<v Speaker 6>last very long here. So it just became a you know,

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<v Speaker 6>growing up with weird things. It was just a way

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<v Speaker 6>be not cool or not normal.

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<v Speaker 2>So so you were you were hooked at pretty young age,

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like, and you got he also got hooked

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<v Speaker 2>up with the right people, with Eric Altman and some

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<v Speaker 2>other folks or whatever out there. Tell us about some

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<v Speaker 2>of your earliest field work, because at that point, being

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<v Speaker 2>a young man and everything, he probably wanted to get

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<v Speaker 2>out there and go see a bigfoot and find tracks

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<v Speaker 2>and do all this sort of thing and talk to witnesses.

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<v Speaker 2>Like what were some of the earliest things that you

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<v Speaker 2>were doing, Like what did you consider field work or

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<v Speaker 2>investigations at that point in your life.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, you know, so I would go out and hike

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<v Speaker 6>and camp. And I live in north central Pennsylvania, which

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<v Speaker 6>you know Pennsylvania. Everybody thinks Philadelphia or Pittsburgh. They forget

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<v Speaker 6>that there's like millions of acres in between that's just woodlands, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 6>there's so much pristine, beautiful woodlands out here, and I

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<v Speaker 6>live right in the heart of it. And you know,

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<v Speaker 6>you could go up to the Loyal Soox State Forest,

420
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<v Speaker 6>out to the Susquehanna State Forest and actually not far

421
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<v Speaker 6>from where I do the majority of a lot of

422
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<v Speaker 6>my research today and just ask people if they've seen

423
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<v Speaker 6>things or heard things. Back then, you could see it

424
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<v Speaker 6>on the internet. You know, in the early two thousands,

425
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<v Speaker 6>I would get reports from the PBS Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society,

426
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<v Speaker 6>so I would go out and follow up on them.

427
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<v Speaker 6>And you know, I was really doing witness interviews at

428
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<v Speaker 6>an early I probably started doing witness interviews at seventeen,

429
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<v Speaker 6>eighteen years old, so I was really still young doing that.

430
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<v Speaker 6>And you'll learn I was always gifted with being able

431
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<v Speaker 6>to talk to people. My grandpa used to tell me

432
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<v Speaker 6>I could sell Iso and Eskimo when they were on vacations.

433
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<v Speaker 6>So I just have a great way of connecting with

434
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<v Speaker 6>people and trusting personality, and I get things out of

435
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<v Speaker 6>people that you would never think. And this part of

436
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<v Speaker 6>Pennsylvania is a very conservative part of the state. You know,

437
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<v Speaker 6>we're talking about very you know, generations of families that hunt,

438
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<v Speaker 6>hunting cabins, hunting leases that if you start talking about bigfoot,

439
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<v Speaker 6>you won't talk about it with your friends because they'll

440
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<v Speaker 6>kick you out of the hunting cabin and then you

441
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<v Speaker 6>you know, what are you going to do? But every

442
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<v Speaker 6>once in a while, you'd get that one guy who

443
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<v Speaker 6>would come aside and say, hey, you really believe in that. Yeah,

444
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<v Speaker 6>I do, Well, let me tell you the story. So

445
00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:50.599
<v Speaker 6>I would get some of the old timers that would

446
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<v Speaker 6>tell me some of those stories of you know, they

447
00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:55.319
<v Speaker 6>were out fishing at their you know, local fishing hole,

448
00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:59.720
<v Speaker 6>and one guy had something. He was walking back to

449
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<v Speaker 6>his view vehicle with a lantern and something, he said

450
00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:08.480
<v Speaker 6>very large walked in front of him and it was

451
00:21:08.599 --> 00:21:11.799
<v Speaker 6>large upright and covered with reddish brown hair. He sees

452
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<v Speaker 6>it faintly through his lantern light, and it was no bear.

453
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<v Speaker 6>And these the guys that live around here are outdoorsmen.

454
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<v Speaker 6>These people know what animals live in their backyard or

455
00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:25.240
<v Speaker 6>live in this area. That's the kind of stuff that,

456
00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:28.319
<v Speaker 6>you know, made me think, well, they would know what

457
00:21:28.359 --> 00:21:30.119
<v Speaker 6>a bear is, and if they're telling me it's not

458
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<v Speaker 6>a bear, well then there's got to be something to this.

459
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<v Speaker 6>So that that's kind of what kept me going. And

460
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<v Speaker 6>then you would not get it just from outdoorsmen. But

461
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<v Speaker 6>there was a lady, probably about fifteen miles from where

462
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<v Speaker 6>I live. She was riding her bicycle on a wooded

463
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<v Speaker 6>road and she felt like something was watching her from

464
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<v Speaker 6>the woods, and she could see a figure kind of

465
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<v Speaker 6>paralleling her on this little like this little step down

466
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<v Speaker 6>you know, the roadside, and then the burma the road

467
00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:02.880
<v Speaker 6>and it kind of uh declines a little bit, and

468
00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:05.359
<v Speaker 6>she could see this figure kind of stalking her as

469
00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:07.759
<v Speaker 6>she's you know, riding her bike back to her proper

470
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<v Speaker 6>and it followed her a good way, and at one point,

471
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<v Speaker 6>she said, she felt like it threw something at her

472
00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:15.079
<v Speaker 6>and she could feel it buzz pass, but it missed her.

473
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<v Speaker 6>And then one night, something had taken the garbage from

474
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<v Speaker 6>outside her home, moved the can down to the end

475
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<v Speaker 6>of her property and lifted she didn't say tore the

476
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<v Speaker 6>garbage bags or knocked it out and ripped the lifted

477
00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:33.039
<v Speaker 6>like it lifted the garbage bags out and neatly went

478
00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:35.799
<v Speaker 6>through it. So at that point, you know, you either

479
00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:39.480
<v Speaker 6>got a stalker or you've got something out there that's

480
00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:42.240
<v Speaker 6>you know, very curious about what. You are a lot

481
00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:46.799
<v Speaker 6>smarter than most animals, and you know, obviously wanted something.

482
00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:50.079
<v Speaker 6>So I mean it it was enough for her to

483
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<v Speaker 6>you know, seek out assistance to the PBS and sent

484
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<v Speaker 6>me that way. So a lot of my early investigations

485
00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:59.000
<v Speaker 6>were were stuff like that. And I was doing that

486
00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:01.079
<v Speaker 6>cliff like I said ten eighteen years old. I was

487
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<v Speaker 6>following up on those storage That's.

488
00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:05.119
<v Speaker 2>A fantastic way to spend the days, that's for sure.

489
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<v Speaker 4>On that trash one, when did she mention anything about them?

490
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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if you got to see the trash

491
00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:13.960
<v Speaker 5>when it got pulled out or like that, but did

492
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<v Speaker 5>she mention like things being separated or like piles out

493
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<v Speaker 5>of different things?

494
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<v Speaker 4>You know?

495
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<v Speaker 6>What was interesting about that, Bobo was it wasn't like

496
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<v Speaker 6>it was just thrown about. It was like it was

497
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<v Speaker 6>kind of just like something was picking through it, like

498
00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:29.880
<v Speaker 6>it wasn't neatly stacked or piled. Because I did see it,

499
00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:32.759
<v Speaker 6>and actually I probably have photos of it somewhere still.

500
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<v Speaker 6>We've had it on the old website a long time ago,

501
00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:36.960
<v Speaker 6>and it was just like the trash was just kind

502
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<v Speaker 6>of like it was looking for something particular, like rather

503
00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:43.240
<v Speaker 6>it was looking for some sort of food or what

504
00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:46.599
<v Speaker 6>it was looking for. It was just very unique. And

505
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<v Speaker 6>then what was funny later is I would have a

506
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<v Speaker 6>report probably in two thousand and thirteen or twenty fourteen,

507
00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:59.559
<v Speaker 6>of a lady her dog was very insistent about going

508
00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:03.440
<v Speaker 6>out outside. It was just got done raining dog runs

509
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:06.920
<v Speaker 6>to the end of the deck and it stops and

510
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:10.680
<v Speaker 6>she goes look at what it's doing. And down at

511
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<v Speaker 6>the end of her driveway under this, you know, they

512
00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:15.559
<v Speaker 6>have a light over it's a dumpster area and there's

513
00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:20.119
<v Speaker 6>a big foot going through the trash. And this is like, god,

514
00:24:20.720 --> 00:24:23.920
<v Speaker 6>fourteen fifteen years later when this story happens, So some

515
00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:24.799
<v Speaker 6>parallels there.

516
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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like a lot of your early work was

517
00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:31.079
<v Speaker 2>following up on eyewitnessed sightings and talking to witnesses and interviewing,

518
00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:34.119
<v Speaker 2>documenting that sort of stuff. And you did see the

519
00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:36.839
<v Speaker 2>trash strewn about. I guess you saw you followed up

520
00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:39.480
<v Speaker 2>on that and actually observed that. What other physical sign

521
00:24:39.559 --> 00:24:43.640
<v Speaker 2>like tracks or whatever that you may have have you

522
00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:47.680
<v Speaker 2>seen doing these follow up investigations, not only in early years,

523
00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:51.920
<v Speaker 2>but even you know, your vast three decade plus experience

524
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<v Speaker 2>of doing this sort of stuff.

525
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<v Speaker 6>I would love to say a ton, and it's not

526
00:24:56.440 --> 00:25:03.160
<v Speaker 6>really a huge amount. I've seen tracks, I've seen you know,

527
00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:05.400
<v Speaker 6>what we've believed to be hair samples. We've collected some

528
00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:09.839
<v Speaker 6>hair samples over the air and sent them out. You know,

529
00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:13.519
<v Speaker 6>I've had a sighting of my own cliff that really

530
00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:16.599
<v Speaker 6>changed the way I thought about the whole field and

531
00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:20.720
<v Speaker 6>I almost quit bigfooting after that encounter that me and

532
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:23.640
<v Speaker 6>my buddies had up on you. Actually, now, you guys

533
00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:27.119
<v Speaker 6>were oute up in Clearfield, rockedon Mountain, and I had

534
00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:31.880
<v Speaker 6>a report a guy would call me early in the morning,

535
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:35.519
<v Speaker 6>probably about two thirty. It would range from two thirty

536
00:25:35.559 --> 00:25:37.160
<v Speaker 6>to four o'clock. And he called me for weeks at

537
00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:41.079
<v Speaker 6>a time, and he was something would be screaming outside

538
00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:43.079
<v Speaker 6>his house, or it would be beating on the walls

539
00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:44.759
<v Speaker 6>of his home, and we went out there, and of

540
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:46.960
<v Speaker 6>course we would go out there, nothing whatever happened. But

541
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:51.119
<v Speaker 6>you know, he called the one night really been out

542
00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:53.400
<v Speaker 6>of shape, and he's like, I called the state police.

543
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:55.519
<v Speaker 6>I want somebody out here, because like something was like

544
00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:58.200
<v Speaker 6>pounding on the outside of his house and he sticks

545
00:25:58.279 --> 00:26:01.880
<v Speaker 6>the phone out the door, out the window, and like

546
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:04.519
<v Speaker 6>you can hear something out there screaming, and the one like,

547
00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:08.160
<v Speaker 6>either this guy's got like one angry neighbor out there

548
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:10.319
<v Speaker 6>that's really pissed off at him, or he's got something

549
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:13.559
<v Speaker 6>going on out there. And but whenever we would go

550
00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:15.359
<v Speaker 6>out there, we're never able to substantiate it.

551
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:18.799
<v Speaker 4>Did you were able to determine what he was doing

552
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:19.920
<v Speaker 4>to cause this aggression.

553
00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:23.279
<v Speaker 6>No, we weren't. And because at first I thought we

554
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:25.279
<v Speaker 6>just had somebody yank in our leg, you know, I

555
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.640
<v Speaker 6>thought it was just somebody out here. I didn't quite

556
00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:29.519
<v Speaker 6>take him seriously. But when he's like, you know, he's like,

557
00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:31.480
<v Speaker 6>I called the state police and the state police are

558
00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:35.119
<v Speaker 6>coming out, I'm like, Okay, well, maybe I'm I'm misjudging this,

559
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:39.480
<v Speaker 6>And I honestly, Bobo think he was just living out there,

560
00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:42.160
<v Speaker 6>like maybe he had done something to stir something up,

561
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:45.680
<v Speaker 6>but like he towards the end was genuinely concerned. And

562
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:47.759
<v Speaker 6>then we never got a call from him again after

563
00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:50.160
<v Speaker 6>the state plea showed up at his house. So you know,

564
00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:52.599
<v Speaker 6>either he was really yanking our chain and you know,

565
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:54.720
<v Speaker 6>going through extremes try to get us out there for

566
00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:58.720
<v Speaker 6>whatever reason he had, or you know, I don't know.

567
00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:00.799
<v Speaker 6>I kind of feel bad that we never really took

568
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:02.200
<v Speaker 6>it as seriously as we should have.

569
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:04.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, how would you know, though, you know, so many

570
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:07.000
<v Speaker 2>people bring you so many things, and you've got to

571
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:08.960
<v Speaker 2>have to separate the week from the shaft at some point,

572
00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:11.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, but how would you how could you even

573
00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:14.240
<v Speaker 2>tell without having first and experience with it.

574
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:16.960
<v Speaker 6>Right, I mean, even today when we get people sending

575
00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:20.759
<v Speaker 6>us sound clips or you know, even these videos, how

576
00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:23.359
<v Speaker 6>do we know somebody's not out there with a sound

577
00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:25.960
<v Speaker 6>recording call blasting these sounds out to us, or it's

578
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:29.240
<v Speaker 6>somebody behind the camera making these sounds. When it sounds

579
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:31.720
<v Speaker 6>too much like the Ohio howe I get skeptical.

580
00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:34.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, well, you know, I do this show sometimes

581
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:37.119
<v Speaker 2>called a Proof is out there on History Channel. It's so,

582
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:38.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, one of those clip shows where they show

583
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:41.000
<v Speaker 2>some clip and that's some nerd like me talking about it, right,

584
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:46.400
<v Speaker 2>And it's several times they have played clips for me that,

585
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:48.680
<v Speaker 2>like on little TikTok things or whatever, and it's like,

586
00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:50.599
<v Speaker 2>what do you think this is? And upon digging and

587
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:54.680
<v Speaker 2>then talking to friends and whatever else obvious hoaxes. So

588
00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:56.759
<v Speaker 2>that's one of them, you know, like one time it

589
00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:59.640
<v Speaker 2>was a dinosaur sound from some movie or whatever back

590
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:02.640
<v Speaker 2>in the day, and another time it was a lion roar,

591
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:06.559
<v Speaker 2>but again played as a bigfoot clip like what is this?

592
00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:08.079
<v Speaker 2>What do you think it is? You know that kind

593
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:11.079
<v Speaker 2>of thing, nonsense clipbait, clickbait. Again, that's one of the

594
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:14.599
<v Speaker 2>reasons unless I hear the vocalization with my own ears,

595
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:16.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't really. I mean, that's it's not like I

596
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:19.440
<v Speaker 2>don't care, but it's coming close to me, not Karen,

597
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:21.720
<v Speaker 2>because what can I do about it? And how do

598
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:23.519
<v Speaker 2>I even know what that's real or not?

599
00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:25.799
<v Speaker 6>You know, And I'm with you on that, And you know,

600
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:28.880
<v Speaker 6>I think the problem is when you actively investigate this stuff.

601
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:32.039
<v Speaker 6>I was a little arrogant, you know, for a while,

602
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:34.720
<v Speaker 6>because I would take the you know, when people report these,

603
00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:37.200
<v Speaker 6>you know, road road crossings, and I'm like, oh, it's

604
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:40.319
<v Speaker 6>just a road cp crossing encounter. It's you know, you're

605
00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:42.680
<v Speaker 6>waiting for like the holy Grail of sightings, right like,

606
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:46.279
<v Speaker 6>because I think maybe we've all gotten desensitized and not

607
00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:50.400
<v Speaker 6>realize how incredible a road crossing actually is. Like, well,

608
00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:51.920
<v Speaker 6>you know, that might not be that great to us,

609
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.680
<v Speaker 6>but now put that in context. You've seen an unexplained

610
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:58.839
<v Speaker 6>entity or being crossed the road in front of you,

611
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:00.799
<v Speaker 6>you know, to us as research it might not be,

612
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.119
<v Speaker 6>but now think about that as the witness, like holy crap.

613
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:06.880
<v Speaker 6>And so I had to put myself in check and say, hey,

614
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:09.920
<v Speaker 6>you know what, those road crossings are still pretty remarkable.

615
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:12.200
<v Speaker 6>They're not happening. It's not like a bear or a

616
00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:14.720
<v Speaker 6>deer or it's happening every day, so you know, get

617
00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:17.200
<v Speaker 6>your head out of your ass, forker and start treating these,

618
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:19.079
<v Speaker 6>you know, like with a little bit more importance.

619
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:21.599
<v Speaker 2>Again, But what is the importance? I'd like to know

620
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:25.000
<v Speaker 2>that because from because at this point, for me, road

621
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.279
<v Speaker 2>crossing is a dot on a map where and when

622
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.359
<v Speaker 2>a sasquatch was. But what other value does it have

623
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:31.839
<v Speaker 2>unless it does something unusual?

624
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:34.319
<v Speaker 6>Right? But that's where I'm at, Like, I'm trying to

625
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:36.519
<v Speaker 6>put these dots on the map and the time to

626
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:40.160
<v Speaker 6>give me the time and place where I could be

627
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:42.400
<v Speaker 6>to give me the most results if we're trying to

628
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:45.079
<v Speaker 6>research as opposed to react. So if we want to

629
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:47.240
<v Speaker 6>actually go out and cultivate an area and try to

630
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:50.400
<v Speaker 6>get activity, wouldn't it be helpful to know what time

631
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:52.480
<v Speaker 6>we should be out there in terms of season or

632
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.000
<v Speaker 6>weather or time of day or whatnot. And that's the

633
00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:58.200
<v Speaker 6>only reason I look at that data, like, you know,

634
00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:00.519
<v Speaker 6>you're not going to get much out of it. Sides

635
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:04.039
<v Speaker 6>that you know that information something across the road here

636
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:05.680
<v Speaker 6>and there, you know it scared me, you know, so

637
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:08.240
<v Speaker 6>on and so forth, and that's you know, great, and

638
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:10.960
<v Speaker 6>I'm you know, sorry, you're scared, but I'm great, you know,

639
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:14.279
<v Speaker 6>thankful you appreciated that. But it does become a data point.

640
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:17.519
<v Speaker 6>And what we use that for is just to find

641
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:19.200
<v Speaker 6>a way for us to kind of be a little

642
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:23.240
<v Speaker 6>bit more strategic and when we're deploying ourselves, uh, for

643
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:26.039
<v Speaker 6>the research, you know, and there's no definitive patterns in

644
00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:28.240
<v Speaker 6>anything you could we we have all kinds of data

645
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:30.920
<v Speaker 6>crunchers now looking at things. You know, you have Terrestrial

646
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:33.119
<v Speaker 6>who's you know, a sweet girl. She she knows what

647
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:36.759
<v Speaker 6>she's doing. She's good at Excel and you know, data distribution.

648
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:39.720
<v Speaker 6>And we got a guy that was part of the

649
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:42.599
<v Speaker 6>team that you know, used data to find Osama bin

650
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:46.519
<v Speaker 6>Lad and looking at our data points to you know,

651
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:48.680
<v Speaker 6>see if we can tie down a pattern or if

652
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:51.519
<v Speaker 6>there's a better place and time we should be to

653
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:55.440
<v Speaker 6>deploy ourselves to get evidence. And you know, we're still

654
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:58.359
<v Speaker 6>not finding a whole heck of a lot in that data.

655
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:01.920
<v Speaker 6>And you know, so aside from being a data I

656
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:05.160
<v Speaker 6>don't know what value it has, Cliff, But to me,

657
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:08.079
<v Speaker 6>you know, I'm putting myself in that position. Well, maybe

658
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:10.240
<v Speaker 6>don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. And there's

659
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:13.799
<v Speaker 6>some usable data there, but I am still always looking

660
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:16.680
<v Speaker 6>for those a little bit more intense I don't want

661
00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:18.799
<v Speaker 6>to say frightening encounters, but something that gives us a

662
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:24.200
<v Speaker 6>little bit more insight into behavior or you know, actionables

663
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:25.039
<v Speaker 6>from these things.

664
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:29.920
<v Speaker 7>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

665
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:32.240
<v Speaker 7>Bogo will be right back after these messages.

666
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:42.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sightings are interesting, some of them aren't. I mean,

667
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:44.720
<v Speaker 2>some of are just brief climpses and that sort of stuff.

668
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:47.440
<v Speaker 2>But so that's kind of cool, because again, where and

669
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:50.759
<v Speaker 2>when that is important? I really do think that is important.

670
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:56.119
<v Speaker 2>But it's always those maybe long observations or those observations

671
00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:00.240
<v Speaker 2>where you see the animal doing something unusual besides you know,

672
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:03.039
<v Speaker 2>just walking or something like that. What sort of reports

673
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:06.160
<v Speaker 2>have you taken where the animal had exhibited some sort

674
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:09.599
<v Speaker 2>of odd behavior or unusual behavior, And for a sasquatch,

675
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:12.880
<v Speaker 2>basically that means anything other than simply walking away.

676
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:17.200
<v Speaker 6>Right. So I had a couple of situations that I've

677
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:21.000
<v Speaker 6>been fortunate to be involved in in terms of there

678
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:24.319
<v Speaker 6>was a family in a town in Clearfield County that

679
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:30.400
<v Speaker 6>had generational experiences with something in their property. I went

680
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:35.680
<v Speaker 6>out there myself in the early twenty ten's and spent

681
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:38.720
<v Speaker 6>you know, a decent amount of time out there, and

682
00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:42.240
<v Speaker 6>I can't say in that particular area. I had a

683
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:46.160
<v Speaker 6>lot that happened to me that was extraordinary. I had

684
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:50.920
<v Speaker 6>a fleeting glimpse of something through a flash of lightning

685
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:53.640
<v Speaker 6>in the woods. So I always questioned whether whether I

686
00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:58.359
<v Speaker 6>saw anything or not down in this little valley area

687
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:01.119
<v Speaker 6>that that family had used like a pavilion and a

688
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:04.720
<v Speaker 6>little camping area. But these family, you know, they would

689
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:08.920
<v Speaker 6>have ongoing you know, vocalization experiences. They'd have stuff disappearing

690
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:11.960
<v Speaker 6>from their property. They had several members of the family

691
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:15.400
<v Speaker 6>because they it's not really compound. It sounds like, you know,

692
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:18.079
<v Speaker 6>some sort of place getting ready for an FBI raid.

693
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:20.519
<v Speaker 6>But they were just a concentration of family that lived

694
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:23.599
<v Speaker 6>in this land, you know, and you know, several of

695
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:28.480
<v Speaker 6>them had either you know, sightings of this creature or

696
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:32.960
<v Speaker 6>you know, some sort of non interaction but activity on

697
00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:38.160
<v Speaker 6>their property. Now we go back to those folks, you know,

698
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:42.880
<v Speaker 6>Alex Petakov from Small Town Monsters went out there a

699
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:45.599
<v Speaker 6>few years later after I had almost ten years later

700
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:48.000
<v Speaker 6>than when I was out there, and to the same family,

701
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:51.440
<v Speaker 6>and they still had activity going on. He actually documented

702
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:56.680
<v Speaker 6>UFO activity out there. Now I don't ever like to

703
00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:00.559
<v Speaker 6>lump my phenomena together. I just don't see it value

704
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:04.000
<v Speaker 6>to it. But he got something on video out there

705
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.960
<v Speaker 6>of some sort of unexplained flying object, you know, or

706
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.119
<v Speaker 6>whatever you want to call it. But that area is

707
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:13.840
<v Speaker 6>just a very strange area. And these this family had

708
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:17.719
<v Speaker 6>ongoing experiences. They found footprints near windows of their homes,

709
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.199
<v Speaker 6>so obviously there's a curiosity element to it there. But

710
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.800
<v Speaker 6>there was nothing really aside from that, you know, Like

711
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:28.599
<v Speaker 6>I said, glimpse of something I saw through the lightning that,

712
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:31.719
<v Speaker 6>you know, always makes me question whether I saw something

713
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:35.079
<v Speaker 6>there or not. It was still a very interesting place

714
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:38.639
<v Speaker 6>to go, very creepy. But now we go back to

715
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:41.559
<v Speaker 6>I told you about that lady whose dog you know,

716
00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:43.840
<v Speaker 6>ran to the edge of her deck and she saw

717
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:47.119
<v Speaker 6>that creature rummaging through her garbage. And I used the

718
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:50.199
<v Speaker 6>term creature entity. I apologize. I know some folks don't

719
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.320
<v Speaker 6>like that, but we don't know what it is for sure,

720
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.480
<v Speaker 6>so I just like to use generic terms. But she

721
00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:59.679
<v Speaker 6>would have she had this really high window off her

722
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:03.840
<v Speaker 6>kitchen and she would leave bake goods out there to cool,

723
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:05.880
<v Speaker 6>and it was up like eight to nine feet up

724
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:08.440
<v Speaker 6>in the air, and something would occasionally take the bake

725
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:10.639
<v Speaker 6>goods off that window and you would never hear see

726
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:14.760
<v Speaker 6>what it was. We found those big, gloppy, pancake like

727
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:19.440
<v Speaker 6>poops all around her property. Now, what was also interesting, guys,

728
00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:22.920
<v Speaker 6>is that her husband was blind, and he would feel

729
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:26.880
<v Speaker 6>something different every so often when they were out there,

730
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:29.559
<v Speaker 6>like somebody else was out there with them, if they'd

731
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:34.079
<v Speaker 6>be sitting out by the campfire or you know, sitting

732
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.239
<v Speaker 6>out there at the house by themselves during the day.

733
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:41.639
<v Speaker 6>And their daughter had come to visit one night and

734
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:45.440
<v Speaker 6>as she's coming down the driveway, something leaped across the

735
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.920
<v Speaker 6>hood of her car and left some what it looked

736
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:55.039
<v Speaker 6>like hairstriations and a dent on her car. And I

737
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:57.280
<v Speaker 6>didn't get to see those. My research partner at the time,

738
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:01.119
<v Speaker 6>Ernie Delp, took photos of those. And that's the first

739
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:04.760
<v Speaker 6>time the daughter had ever reported anything to her parents

740
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.400
<v Speaker 6>of having an experience there. But the parents, the couple,

741
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.679
<v Speaker 6>they lived out the old growth forces of Pennsylvania, out

742
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:13.320
<v Speaker 6>in the Cook's Forest. I mean, there's trees in Pennsylvania

743
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.159
<v Speaker 6>out there that are so big you can't put your

744
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:15.719
<v Speaker 6>arms around them.

745
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:16.239
<v Speaker 4>They're so huge.

746
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:19.320
<v Speaker 6>It's an old you know, Virgin Forest hasn't been really

747
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:23.519
<v Speaker 6>decimated by humanity yet. And these folks lived out there

748
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:26.199
<v Speaker 6>all year and it's kind of like a resortish type

749
00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:28.519
<v Speaker 6>area where folks are only out there, you know, like

750
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:31.719
<v Speaker 6>through the late spring into the early fall. They live

751
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:34.480
<v Speaker 6>out there all year round. So they're having these experiences

752
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.280
<v Speaker 6>and you know, they didn't know, you know, who to

753
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:40.760
<v Speaker 6>talk to. So we had had a town hall meeting

754
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:45.159
<v Speaker 6>out there at the Over the Mountain restaurant, and they

755
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:48.679
<v Speaker 6>had come and got our information. They didn't attend the meeting,

756
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:50.480
<v Speaker 6>but they called us a few days later and we

757
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:52.320
<v Speaker 6>went up and met them, and they were the most sincere,

758
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:55.360
<v Speaker 6>credible people. She was a nurse, he was a retired

759
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:58.360
<v Speaker 6>school teacher for Brooklyn. Like, these folks had no reason

760
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:00.639
<v Speaker 6>to lie or make this stuff up. They're not seeking

761
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:02.719
<v Speaker 6>any kind of notoriety. They didn't try to be on

762
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:04.800
<v Speaker 6>you know, they didn't try to be on the show

763
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.480
<v Speaker 6>Finding Big Foart or anything like that. They're just people

764
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:09.880
<v Speaker 6>out there trying to make sense of some of the

765
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:14.280
<v Speaker 6>things they were trying to experience. And you know, unfortunately

766
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:17.039
<v Speaker 6>he the husband has passed away and the wife has

767
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:20.480
<v Speaker 6>now moved back to you know, North Carolina with her family,

768
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.559
<v Speaker 6>but she had encounters going on out there all the

769
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:26.360
<v Speaker 6>way up until when she left, of you know, just

770
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:28.880
<v Speaker 6>strange things that would happen around her property.

771
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Now, you briefly mentioned that you might have caught a

772
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:34.480
<v Speaker 2>glimpse of something in a lightning flash at some point

773
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.360
<v Speaker 2>during one of these investigations. That is not the sighting

774
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.119
<v Speaker 2>you had, or is that the sighting.

775
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:40.880
<v Speaker 6>You No, that's not the sighting we had. Edge So

776
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:44.559
<v Speaker 6>the sighting that we had, Cliff was it was myself,

777
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:48.480
<v Speaker 6>my one of my best friends, right Hendershot, he's like

778
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:51.800
<v Speaker 6>a brother, and my you know, another good friend, Dustin Kinley.

779
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:54.239
<v Speaker 6>We were out there in the clear field up on

780
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:59.639
<v Speaker 6>Rockton Mountain. It was about the end of September, September

781
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:03.159
<v Speaker 6>twenty have in twenty twelve. We went out there with

782
00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:07.679
<v Speaker 6>Eric Altman, Dave Rupert, Ryan Cavalen. We were out there

783
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:10.400
<v Speaker 6>to set up for an outing we were going to

784
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:13.719
<v Speaker 6>have with the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society that weekend in that

785
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:17.880
<v Speaker 6>coming week and there is this area that we all

786
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:20.239
<v Speaker 6>discovered and we called it the Meadow because it was

787
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:23.079
<v Speaker 6>this open clearing that was surrounded by trees. There's this

788
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:25.599
<v Speaker 6>little crop of trees right in the center, and we

789
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:27.480
<v Speaker 6>thought this would be a great area to kind of

790
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:29.440
<v Speaker 6>host as our base camp. But we went out and

791
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:32.920
<v Speaker 6>you know, traveled the gas lines and traveled the mountains

792
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:36.480
<v Speaker 6>of the Clearfield area because historically, and that's one of

793
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:39.840
<v Speaker 6>our most active areas in Pennsylvania, that whole you know,

794
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:43.079
<v Speaker 6>rock and mountain Clearfield County area. There's hundreds of reports

795
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:46.920
<v Speaker 6>that have happened there over the years. And in twenty twelve, well,

796
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:49.320
<v Speaker 6>I'll step back a minute. At the beginning of twenty twelve,

797
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:53.400
<v Speaker 6>we had two reports that came in on New Year's

798
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:58.079
<v Speaker 6>Eve of husband and wife, two sets of husband and wives.

799
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:03.559
<v Speaker 6>They were traveling down US three twenty two, close to

800
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:06.800
<v Speaker 6>the midnight time on New Year's and they had both

801
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:13.239
<v Speaker 6>seen about forty five minutes apart, a creature crossing the

802
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:16.719
<v Speaker 6>road or loitering along the road. And what was interesting

803
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:21.440
<v Speaker 6>is they both described that this creature had was like

804
00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:24.159
<v Speaker 6>completely dark except for the bottom of the feet was

805
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:27.519
<v Speaker 6>like a whitish color like. They remarked about how light

806
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.239
<v Speaker 6>the colors of the feet were. And these folks had

807
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:32.800
<v Speaker 6>never met each other. We brought them together. You know,

808
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:34.960
<v Speaker 6>just to kind of validate that these folks hadn't met

809
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:36.679
<v Speaker 6>each other before. No matter how good of an actor,

810
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:39.320
<v Speaker 6>you know, you can't hide the fact if you know somebody,

811
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:42.280
<v Speaker 6>or you just can't. There's always something that's going to

812
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:44.880
<v Speaker 6>give away. These folks had never met each other. They

813
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.039
<v Speaker 6>just happened to be on the same road about forty

814
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:50.159
<v Speaker 6>five minutes apart, and they both reported the sightings into us.

815
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:53.159
<v Speaker 6>So that's what kind of took us to the Clearfield

816
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:55.559
<v Speaker 6>area again because it started to get hot. We did

817
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:59.159
<v Speaker 6>that town hall meeting a little while later, and we

818
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.440
<v Speaker 6>started getting a lot more reports coming in from people.

819
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:04.400
<v Speaker 6>So we decided we're going to continue to explore this area.

820
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:07.039
<v Speaker 6>So I it's about an hour and a half two

821
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.039
<v Speaker 6>hours from where I live. We would go almost every

822
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:11.840
<v Speaker 6>other weekend back and forth to Clearfield for that year,

823
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:14.360
<v Speaker 6>Ray and I and just kind of checking it out,

824
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:16.800
<v Speaker 6>see what's going on, see if we're getting any other reports.

825
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:20.039
<v Speaker 6>And we'd get some maybe faint vocalizations here and there,

826
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:23.239
<v Speaker 6>but we never had anything dramatic happen. But we thought,

827
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:24.519
<v Speaker 6>you know what, we're still going to give it the

828
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:27.400
<v Speaker 6>old you know, we're going to keep at it. Well,

829
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:30.079
<v Speaker 6>we went out there with the PBS. We decided we're

830
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:32.760
<v Speaker 6>going to put together an outing in that area, So

831
00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:36.840
<v Speaker 6>we get the area prepped. Dave and Ryan and Eric

832
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:40.639
<v Speaker 6>are putting up game cameras, Ray and Dustin and I

833
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:43.920
<v Speaker 6>are getting our camp site set up because Dustin, Ray

834
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:46.280
<v Speaker 6>and I are going to stay there, Eric and then

835
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:47.840
<v Speaker 6>we're going to leave and they're going to come back

836
00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:50.559
<v Speaker 6>either the next day or the day after. We were

837
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:51.840
<v Speaker 6>going to stay out there for a couple of days

838
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:53.320
<v Speaker 6>ahead of time, just see if we can kind of

839
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:55.920
<v Speaker 6>get anything going on, or you know, just get everything

840
00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:01.719
<v Speaker 6>set up. At about a quarter and nine, we're sitting

841
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:05.360
<v Speaker 6>there at the campfire that we had started and I

842
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:10.960
<v Speaker 6>see something through my peripheral cut through our campsite and

843
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:14.199
<v Speaker 6>just hall ass through the woods. As soon as I

844
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:18.280
<v Speaker 6>seen it, I shot up out of my chair. Dustin

845
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:20.639
<v Speaker 6>shoots up out of his chair, and we both just

846
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.199
<v Speaker 6>start running to the forest edge and you could start

847
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:26.239
<v Speaker 6>you can still hear whatever this is taken off. It

848
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:31.039
<v Speaker 6>was large. It was lightish tan colored, but it moved

849
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:34.440
<v Speaker 6>like an NBA player, man Like I've never seen anything

850
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:37.360
<v Speaker 6>so large move so fast in my life. And it

851
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.400
<v Speaker 6>moved and people don't believe it moved like a sloth,

852
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:44.079
<v Speaker 6>like it just glided as I've never seen something move

853
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:48.119
<v Speaker 6>so gracefully and so fast in my life. And I

854
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:50.440
<v Speaker 6>looked at Dustin, and Dustin goes, did you see I'm like, well,

855
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:52.239
<v Speaker 6>we saw something, because here we are standing into the

856
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:53.760
<v Speaker 6>woods like a couple of idiots. What you know, what

857
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:56.519
<v Speaker 6>the hell's going on? And so we're sitting there and

858
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:58.960
<v Speaker 6>then Ray's like, what's going on, guys, Like we just

859
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:01.679
<v Speaker 6>saw something? Like all, what the hell this is? So

860
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:03.960
<v Speaker 6>we're kind of like really excited now, like oh my god,

861
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.360
<v Speaker 6>like what did we just have a sighting? Like what

862
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.440
<v Speaker 6>the hell is this? So we sit there for a

863
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:11.280
<v Speaker 6>while longer, seeing if we can hear anything or you know,

864
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:14.880
<v Speaker 6>anything going on, And as the excitement dies down, we're like, Okay,

865
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:16.719
<v Speaker 6>well we're going to get up really early in the

866
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:18.559
<v Speaker 6>morning and we're going to see if we can go

867
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:20.719
<v Speaker 6>out and do some you know, walking around, see if

868
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:22.599
<v Speaker 6>we're gonna listen some responses. We're going to get a

869
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:24.519
<v Speaker 6>few hours of sleep and then get out there really

870
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:27.519
<v Speaker 6>early in the morning. So we put the fire out,

871
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:31.840
<v Speaker 6>we get into the tent, and we're laying there and

872
00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:34.119
<v Speaker 6>all of a sudden, probably an hour hour and a

873
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:38.480
<v Speaker 6>half later, I hear something walking around our campsite. Now

874
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:41.239
<v Speaker 6>I can tell the difference between something bipedally walking and

875
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:45.599
<v Speaker 6>something on you know, four legs trampling around the campsite.

876
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:48.800
<v Speaker 6>And I'm just laying there and you can hear something

877
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:51.079
<v Speaker 6>just walking through the meadow like around our campsite, And

878
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:52.559
<v Speaker 6>all of a sudden, I see this little light turn

879
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.519
<v Speaker 6>on and I see Dustin's sleeping bag. Dust It's like,

880
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:56.880
<v Speaker 6>you hear that. I'm like, I hear that. What the

881
00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:58.360
<v Speaker 6>hell's going on? He goes, let's go out and take

882
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:01.199
<v Speaker 6>a look. Well, all of a sudden, we start seeing

883
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:06.280
<v Speaker 6>this faint orange glow outside our tent. So Dustin gets

884
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:08.639
<v Speaker 6>his boots on and jumps out. I'm getting my boots on,

885
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:10.559
<v Speaker 6>and he yells, fork Er, throw me my gun. So,

886
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:12.480
<v Speaker 6>you know, me being the epitome of gun safety, I

887
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:16.920
<v Speaker 6>throw him his gun. And something had moved the logs

888
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:19.519
<v Speaker 6>back onto the fire and the fire starting to rekindle itself.

889
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.559
<v Speaker 6>We took the logs off the fire. As I go

890
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:25.679
<v Speaker 6>to get out of the tent, Dustin goes, Forker, look,

891
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:29.280
<v Speaker 6>and I said, look, there's this same colored thing that

892
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:32.199
<v Speaker 6>we had saw earlier running up the little hillside and

893
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:34.320
<v Speaker 6>you can hear it take off like a bat out

894
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.159
<v Speaker 6>of hell around the like it's like circling our camp.

895
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:39.639
<v Speaker 6>So we start yelling at it, Hey, if you're somebody

896
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:42.239
<v Speaker 6>out here messing with us, stop it, you know, you know,

897
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.239
<v Speaker 6>identify yourself, you know, if you're messing up with us.

898
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:47.320
<v Speaker 6>This isn't cool, like, you know, because at first we

899
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:49.599
<v Speaker 6>thought it was somebody just messing with us now right like,

900
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:54.519
<v Speaker 6>and it wasn't heating our warning. And I'm freaked out.

901
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:56.480
<v Speaker 6>So I run to the center of this meadow because

902
00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:58.559
<v Speaker 6>it's the only place we have any cell phone service,

903
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:02.199
<v Speaker 6>and I give a call to Eric. Can't get Eric,

904
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:06.119
<v Speaker 6>so I called Dave Rupert's wife, Carrie, and I said, Carrie,

905
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:08.360
<v Speaker 6>we've got something going on out here. Can you get

906
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:10.199
<v Speaker 6>a hold of Dave and see if Dave and come back,

907
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:12.480
<v Speaker 6>because we're not really comfortable being out here by ourselves

908
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:15.079
<v Speaker 6>right now. She's like, Okay, we'll see if we can

909
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:17.119
<v Speaker 6>get see if I can get Dave back there. So

910
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:19.519
<v Speaker 6>we're sitting there kind of the three of us, back

911
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:21.480
<v Speaker 6>to back, looking at this, you know, trying to cover

912
00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:23.400
<v Speaker 6>as much area as we can with our eyes, what's

913
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:27.039
<v Speaker 6>going on, and you know, we can kind of hear movement,

914
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.559
<v Speaker 6>and we're still yelling for this thing to identify itself. Well,

915
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:32.199
<v Speaker 6>we're there for a while and then all of a sudden,

916
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:35.199
<v Speaker 6>we start seeing these two flashlights start, you know, coming

917
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:38.159
<v Speaker 6>to us really quick, and it's Ryan and Dave. They

918
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:42.000
<v Speaker 6>had managed to stop off at the bar at on

919
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:44.360
<v Speaker 6>three twenty two is they're about thirty minutes away from us,

920
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:47.000
<v Speaker 6>and they managed to get back to us, and you know,

921
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:48.480
<v Speaker 6>they say to us for a while, and I really

922
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:50.559
<v Speaker 6>didn't want to be out there by ourselves anymore. But

923
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:53.239
<v Speaker 6>Dave's like, you know, guys, you're out here. We're trying

924
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:55.360
<v Speaker 6>to get evidence. We're trying to get proof. We'll sit

925
00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:56.639
<v Speaker 6>out here with you a little bit, but this is

926
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:58.360
<v Speaker 6>why we're out here. You guys can do this. Come on,

927
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:01.119
<v Speaker 6>let's go. You know, Dave can really build you up.

928
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:04.960
<v Speaker 6>And they kind of bib whacked in these trees and

929
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.519
<v Speaker 6>we kind of went back into what we were doing. Well,

930
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:09.400
<v Speaker 6>they're out there for about an hour or so with us,

931
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:13.519
<v Speaker 6>and nothing's going on, right, everything quiets down and they

932
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:15.559
<v Speaker 6>radio into us, Hey, guys, we think you're fine out

933
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:17.199
<v Speaker 6>here tonight we're going to go ahead and take off.

934
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:19.280
<v Speaker 6>We'll be back in the morning. We'll see you later.

935
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:22.840
<v Speaker 6>So they take off and we're kind of out there.

936
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:24.280
<v Speaker 6>Of course, you know, we're not going to go back

937
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:26.039
<v Speaker 6>to sleep. We're just kind of sitting there and just

938
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:28.960
<v Speaker 6>hanging out. All of a sudden, we start hearing the

939
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:29.880
<v Speaker 6>foot falls again.

940
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:35.199
<v Speaker 7>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

941
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:37.199
<v Speaker 7>We'll be right back after these messages.

942
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:45.360
<v Speaker 6>And I'm like, Okay, now, this has to be somebody

943
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.599
<v Speaker 6>messing with us, because now they're back and they're like,

944
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:52.039
<v Speaker 6>and we see this figure kind of like watching us

945
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:53.800
<v Speaker 6>from the tree line because we've got the light from

946
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:56.599
<v Speaker 6>the moon coming in. And I said, Dustin, I said,

947
00:45:56.599 --> 00:45:58.199
<v Speaker 6>point your gun at it. I'm going to start yelling

948
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:00.400
<v Speaker 6>at this thing again. So Dustin points is gun at it,

949
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:03.199
<v Speaker 6>and it's not listening. I said, Dustin, just start shooting it.

950
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:07.400
<v Speaker 6>Shoot it now, kill it, just shoot it. And it's

951
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:10.679
<v Speaker 6>not phased by this, and so I'm like, what the

952
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:12.800
<v Speaker 6>hell are we going to do? Like I'm really freaked out. Now,

953
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:15.800
<v Speaker 6>this is a person. They have to be really deranged

954
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:17.320
<v Speaker 6>to be here now because we've got a gun on

955
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:20.400
<v Speaker 6>them and they're still not and so, you know, the

956
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:23.039
<v Speaker 6>only thing we could do is, you know, we all

957
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:25.760
<v Speaker 6>kind of grouped together and we charged at it. And

958
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:28.079
<v Speaker 6>as we charged at it, it took off like a

959
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:30.559
<v Speaker 6>bat out of hell. Like it just sounded like a

960
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:34.679
<v Speaker 6>bulldozer going through the woods. And I don't know what

961
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:37.559
<v Speaker 6>it was. I don't know what it was. It scared

962
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:39.360
<v Speaker 6>the hell out of us, just like that feeling of

963
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:42.239
<v Speaker 6>it not going away when we were threatening to harm it,

964
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:46.400
<v Speaker 6>when it came back, it kept coming back. It just

965
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:47.760
<v Speaker 6>it scared the hell out of me.

966
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:48.079
<v Speaker 4>Guys.

967
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:50.519
<v Speaker 6>I don't know what it wanted. The fact that it

968
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:52.639
<v Speaker 6>was smart enough to put the logs back on the

969
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:55.239
<v Speaker 6>fire and get the fire going again was just blew

970
00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:59.159
<v Speaker 6>my mind. And we're just sitting out here, three guys,

971
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:00.920
<v Speaker 6>three idiots, in the kind of like, what what the

972
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:03.559
<v Speaker 6>hell we're going to do? So as daylight broke, we

973
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:06.039
<v Speaker 6>threw everything into these rubber made totes we brought in,

974
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:07.960
<v Speaker 6>and we hauled ass out of that campsite and I

975
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.880
<v Speaker 6>got back to my van and I drove out. I

976
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:13.159
<v Speaker 6>called Eric, I said, listen, we're going home. I'm done

977
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:15.400
<v Speaker 6>with this. I don't want to do this anymore. I

978
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.480
<v Speaker 6>called my wife. I said, I'm coming home early. I'm

979
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:22.599
<v Speaker 6>just done, and I went and you know, we drove

980
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:25.320
<v Speaker 6>home to two hours to go back home. I said

981
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:27.320
<v Speaker 6>to Dave, you know, you guys might want to check

982
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:30.400
<v Speaker 6>the uh, you might want to check the game cameras,

983
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:34.000
<v Speaker 6>because I saw a flash go off and I thought that,

984
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:36.000
<v Speaker 6>you know, maybe something was out in the game cameras.

985
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.599
<v Speaker 6>And he say, Sean, he goes, there's no flash on

986
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:42.320
<v Speaker 6>those cameras, and I'm like, what the hell? Like, you know,

987
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:45.280
<v Speaker 6>that adds one more strange element to it, right, And

988
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:47.800
<v Speaker 6>that was our experience. It's guys, it scared the hell

989
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:49.360
<v Speaker 6>out of me. I didn't want to do this anymore

990
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:52.320
<v Speaker 6>after that was it. It was large, but it was

991
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:54.400
<v Speaker 6>probably about six and a half seven feet tall, which

992
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:56.400
<v Speaker 6>you know, I'm five foot six so on a good

993
00:47:56.440 --> 00:48:00.400
<v Speaker 6>day with shoes on, so significantly bigger than me. And

994
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:04.639
<v Speaker 6>it just moved the way it moved, Bobo was just

995
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:08.599
<v Speaker 6>so damn like a like a sloth, like I said,

996
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:12.079
<v Speaker 6>like a just glided like it moved so quick. Just

997
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:14.639
<v Speaker 6>the way it flowed. It was just incredible.

998
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:18.360
<v Speaker 5>Well, you said, I kind of shocked. You said it

999
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:22.239
<v Speaker 5>was smooth, and uh, you know, like grasheld like a sloth.

1000
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:25.320
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Like if you've seen sloths when they move, they

1001
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:27.880
<v Speaker 6>like have like this elegance to them that they're so slow.

1002
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:35.199
<v Speaker 6>But this thing had that elegance, but fast, like incredibly fast. Wow.

1003
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:38.400
<v Speaker 2>I see that it was an ongoing thing that kept coming.

1004
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:40.440
<v Speaker 2>That's like that, That's what horror movies are made out.

1005
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:42.320
<v Speaker 6>Of, right, And like we're out there, there's only the

1006
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:44.840
<v Speaker 6>three of us out there. We have a handgun, and

1007
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:48.920
<v Speaker 6>it's you know, it wouldn't go away. Like the longest time,

1008
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:51.239
<v Speaker 6>I just thought it was somebody out there messing with us, Like,

1009
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.880
<v Speaker 6>but you know, we had it. If you're a person

1010
00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:57.519
<v Speaker 6>and you have three guys and they have a handgun

1011
00:48:57.519 --> 00:48:59.320
<v Speaker 6>pointed you, don't you think at some point you'd give

1012
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:01.119
<v Speaker 6>up on the gag and say, hey, okay, you know,

1013
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:03.440
<v Speaker 6>you know, don't kill me. I'm just out here messing

1014
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:07.119
<v Speaker 6>with you, like unless you're really deranged. But it still

1015
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.159
<v Speaker 6>doesn't match up to some of the other, you know,

1016
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:13.400
<v Speaker 6>attributes that happened, and like it was just so bizarre,

1017
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:17.400
<v Speaker 6>Like to this day, I kind of felt silly because

1018
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:19.679
<v Speaker 6>you know how quickly I wanted to just abandon all

1019
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:21.119
<v Speaker 6>this and let it go like I didn't want to

1020
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:22.559
<v Speaker 6>go out in the woods for a while. I was

1021
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:25.039
<v Speaker 6>just messed me up. Because I'll tell you the other

1022
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:27.440
<v Speaker 6>component of it is, I've been a researcher for so long.

1023
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.159
<v Speaker 6>I felt like I was losing my objectivity. Like it

1024
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:34.239
<v Speaker 6>really it messed me up from that perspective, like, and

1025
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:36.679
<v Speaker 6>I think that's why I kind of I just wanted

1026
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:39.039
<v Speaker 6>to quit for a while. Like, you know, maybe now

1027
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:42.599
<v Speaker 6>if I wasn't out there with Ray and Dustin, who

1028
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:46.519
<v Speaker 6>would validate the same thing I would, I would probably

1029
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:49.079
<v Speaker 6>feel still a lot worse about it, like, probably still

1030
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:52.159
<v Speaker 6>more messed up about it. But the fact I was

1031
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:54.920
<v Speaker 6>able to share that experience with them like makes me

1032
00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:57.519
<v Speaker 6>feel a little better. But none of us still feel

1033
00:49:57.519 --> 00:49:58.079
<v Speaker 6>good about it.

1034
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:01.920
<v Speaker 2>What would you have done now that looking back upon it,

1035
00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:04.800
<v Speaker 2>because we're all big footers, we've all made make mistakes

1036
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:07.119
<v Speaker 2>in the woods, and I can't. Every time I go out,

1037
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:08.599
<v Speaker 2>I kind of look back and say, oh, shoot, I

1038
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:11.000
<v Speaker 2>should have done this instead. So I know there's things

1039
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:11.320
<v Speaker 2>like that.

1040
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:13.320
<v Speaker 6>When we all get together in person next time, you

1041
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:14.960
<v Speaker 6>can punch me in the face. Because I had a

1042
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:18.679
<v Speaker 6>sony handicam with night vision in the tent that we

1043
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:19.760
<v Speaker 6>never grab once.

1044
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:22.400
<v Speaker 2>How cool would that be to have that recording even

1045
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:24.760
<v Speaker 2>if you didn't get it on tape, if the animal

1046
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:27.119
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, but you just like everybody's reaction and as

1047
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:28.719
<v Speaker 2>it unfolded, I'd be really rad.

1048
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:31.039
<v Speaker 6>Right, But now, you know, I think about that when

1049
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:33.519
<v Speaker 6>you know, think about our witnesses and everybody's like, well,

1050
00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:35.679
<v Speaker 6>we have these cell phones and all this other stuff

1051
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:39.320
<v Speaker 6>available to us at our fingertip. Okay, well, you're experiencing

1052
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:43.559
<v Speaker 6>something that's really traumatic and you're expecting somebody's first thought

1053
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:47.239
<v Speaker 6>to be, oh, hey, let's grab a camera or you know,

1054
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:50.679
<v Speaker 6>turn your phone on, and so you get this. You know,

1055
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:54.159
<v Speaker 6>as someone who experienced this type of thing. The last

1056
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:56.440
<v Speaker 6>thing I was thinking about that Actually, it's not something

1057
00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:58.960
<v Speaker 6>I ever thought about. Cliff was trying to get it

1058
00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:03.880
<v Speaker 6>on camera. Now, in hindsight, you know, I'm thinking like,

1059
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:05.519
<v Speaker 6>oh man, that would have been great if we would

1060
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:10.119
<v Speaker 6>have you know, had the sense of, you know, going

1061
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:12.920
<v Speaker 6>to get that determament. We never thought about it. We

1062
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:13.880
<v Speaker 6>never thought about it.

1063
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Talk about full circle because now you're doing things on

1064
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:17.920
<v Speaker 2>camera for small town monsters.

1065
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:22.039
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, which you know that took a little bit of going.

1066
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:25.559
<v Speaker 6>I've done several things for Seth and the crew over

1067
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:27.760
<v Speaker 6>the years, like as a talking head, but I've never,

1068
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:30.159
<v Speaker 6>you know, gone out and been a feature of any

1069
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:34.039
<v Speaker 6>of their programs. And guys, look, I'm I'm There's nothing

1070
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:37.199
<v Speaker 6>special about what I do. I'm a low tech you know.

1071
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:39.599
<v Speaker 6>I kind of use my own senses, in my own

1072
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:44.679
<v Speaker 6>logic to go about doing my investigations. But I'm really

1073
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:48.719
<v Speaker 6>passionate about what I do. I love Pennsylvania. I love

1074
00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:52.039
<v Speaker 6>being able to showcase this state and its wonders to people.

1075
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:57.679
<v Speaker 6>And they wanted to go and do a it's called

1076
00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:00.000
<v Speaker 6>Investigation Bigfoot. I think it's a four or five episode

1077
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:06.360
<v Speaker 6>mini series that we're doing, and I'm showing people, you know,

1078
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:09.360
<v Speaker 6>some of the areas where there's been bigfoot encounters, there's

1079
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:13.000
<v Speaker 6>been the historical sightings, and then I actually take you

1080
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:15.199
<v Speaker 6>guys all to the place I had my encounter in

1081
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:17.400
<v Speaker 6>my sighting, and I relived the story for you there.

1082
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:21.519
<v Speaker 6>I bring other witnesses and introduce you to other people

1083
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:25.239
<v Speaker 6>I've met and investigated with over the years. So and

1084
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:29.079
<v Speaker 6>I'm teaching Aaron Deese, you know, the gentleman who's kind

1085
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:31.639
<v Speaker 6>of also the subject of the documentary, teaching them a

1086
00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:36.960
<v Speaker 6>little bit about how you research, and so that story

1087
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:40.039
<v Speaker 6>is really interesting in itself, and I'm just really, you know,

1088
00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:41.880
<v Speaker 6>I'm proud they were able to ask me to be

1089
00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:43.920
<v Speaker 6>a part of it, because, like I told you, Cliff,

1090
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:46.119
<v Speaker 6>I'm like the worst promoted Bigfoot. And I do that

1091
00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:48.400
<v Speaker 6>on purpose because I just like being able to do

1092
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:52.320
<v Speaker 6>my stuff and fly under the radar. But no, I'm

1093
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:53.840
<v Speaker 6>glad to be able to share it. It was a

1094
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:56.199
<v Speaker 6>lot of fun because there's some interesting things that happened

1095
00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:59.400
<v Speaker 6>out there, and you know, I don't know, and maybe

1096
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:01.280
<v Speaker 6>you guys have run into it too. For some reason,

1097
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:03.639
<v Speaker 6>I think people think there's some sort of magic element

1098
00:53:03.800 --> 00:53:07.280
<v Speaker 6>to getting bigfoot or attracting a big foot, and like

1099
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:10.840
<v Speaker 6>everybody's you know, I'm sorry, Bigfoot's not knocking on my

1100
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:14.039
<v Speaker 6>back door asking for garlic every day, right, It's I've

1101
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:16.440
<v Speaker 6>been doing this for over thirty years and I have

1102
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:19.559
<v Speaker 6>a handful of experiences that I can say that might

1103
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:24.039
<v Speaker 6>be bigfoot. Right. I get really concerned when there's people

1104
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:26.239
<v Speaker 6>that have done it for far less time that have

1105
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:31.960
<v Speaker 6>encounters all the time. Yeah, I can't quantify that well,

1106
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:35.119
<v Speaker 6>but how many times have you had an experience doing this?

1107
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:38.400
<v Speaker 6>And like but somehow, you know, we're all, we're all

1108
00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:41.159
<v Speaker 6>been doing this investigation for a long time, but there

1109
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:43.119
<v Speaker 6>are people that just seem to be these these quote

1110
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:46.920
<v Speaker 6>unquote bigfoot beacons, like they're less magnets for it. I

1111
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:47.920
<v Speaker 6>have a hard time with that.

1112
00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:50.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, you know, you can get you get

1113
00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:53.320
<v Speaker 5>into I mean, I know, feel like you get into

1114
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:56.199
<v Speaker 5>like this groove where you like you're just getting lucky,

1115
00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:58.440
<v Speaker 5>like when you're going out, you know, but then you

1116
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:00.760
<v Speaker 5>might have that go on for like answer even a

1117
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:03.159
<v Speaker 5>couple of years kind of, and then you just go

1118
00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:07.320
<v Speaker 5>you're gonna have eventually have a good long dry run.

1119
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:10.679
<v Speaker 6>Right, And sometimes it's years where you get nothing.

1120
00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:12.599
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I would like a year and a half without

1121
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:14.119
<v Speaker 5>having anything definitive happen.

1122
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:17.880
<v Speaker 6>Right. Well, we're kind of going through that right now, Bobo. Well,

1123
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:20.719
<v Speaker 6>I would say probably up until this summer, we had

1124
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:23.079
<v Speaker 6>a very slow kind of year and a half. We

1125
00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:25.519
<v Speaker 6>weren't even getting an investment. We weren't even getting a report

1126
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:28.000
<v Speaker 6>coming in. And then all of a sudden we started

1127
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:30.079
<v Speaker 6>getting you know, three or four reports coming in. And

1128
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:34.920
<v Speaker 6>then Matt Arner met my research partner. He and I

1129
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:40.320
<v Speaker 6>researched the Northern Tier Pennsylvania through the Allegheny Plateau, and

1130
00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:44.280
<v Speaker 6>we spent a lot of time up in like up

1131
00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:47.639
<v Speaker 6>in the northern part of the state, Potter County, Bradford County,

1132
00:54:48.039 --> 00:54:51.440
<v Speaker 6>Clearfield Elk and there's a huge elk population up there.

1133
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:54.360
<v Speaker 6>And you know, one of the things, we don't have

1134
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:56.480
<v Speaker 6>the really really high mountains like you guys have out

1135
00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:59.159
<v Speaker 6>in the PNW. Know, I think our largest mountain here

1136
00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:02.920
<v Speaker 6>is three thousand feet in Pennsylvania. But we had just

1137
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:05.360
<v Speaker 6>been talking to an older gentleman who came to one

1138
00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:09.199
<v Speaker 6>of our little presentations and after we were done, he

1139
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:10.760
<v Speaker 6>came up to it. No, he came up to us before.

1140
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:12.840
<v Speaker 6>He didn't stick around for the presentation, and he told

1141
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:18.320
<v Speaker 6>us about this area where he's been having encounters, not encounters,

1142
00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:21.599
<v Speaker 6>but he found footprints. I'm sorry, but what was really

1143
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:26.000
<v Speaker 6>strange about this area is like after like fourteen hundred feet,

1144
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:29.079
<v Speaker 6>if you go above that, there's no animal activity whatsoever.

1145
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:32.000
<v Speaker 6>And so Matt and I are going up in the

1146
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:37.360
<v Speaker 6>mountains that night to do some research. And he wasn't kidding.

1147
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:40.840
<v Speaker 6>For some reason, you go above that area. We went

1148
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:44.559
<v Speaker 6>up to like twenty two hundred feet. There's nothing up there,

1149
00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:50.119
<v Speaker 6>No coyotes, no porky pine, no nothing up there. And

1150
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:52.559
<v Speaker 6>then we start settling down and going under that like

1151
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:55.119
<v Speaker 6>that thirteen fifty feet and then all of a sudden,

1152
00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:57.559
<v Speaker 6>here's all the deer, here's all the like we stumbled

1153
00:55:57.639 --> 00:55:59.559
<v Speaker 6>up on a field. There's like sixty deer in this field.

1154
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:02.719
<v Speaker 6>But why aren't they going up above that elevation? Like

1155
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:05.880
<v Speaker 6>what's up there that's stopping them from going up that high?

1156
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:08.000
<v Speaker 6>Because I thought, you know, maybe this is an old timer.

1157
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:10.000
<v Speaker 6>You know, he's got a lot of observations going on.

1158
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:13.119
<v Speaker 6>Let's see if we could validate this, and Barbo sure enough,

1159
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:16.400
<v Speaker 6>like this is the real deal, Like something's got to

1160
00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:17.840
<v Speaker 6>be going on up there to stop this.

1161
00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:21.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now, you've been doing this for so long, and

1162
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:24.639
<v Speaker 2>and you know you're amongst veterans here, like all of

1163
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:27.280
<v Speaker 2>us have been doing it for decades at this point

1164
00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:30.760
<v Speaker 2>in the game. Is there ever a time or have

1165
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:35.199
<v Speaker 2>you experienced besides after you had your observation and you

1166
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:38.199
<v Speaker 2>said you almost bailed on this whole thing, do ever

1167
00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:39.760
<v Speaker 2>get tired of it or anything like that? Or is

1168
00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:43.079
<v Speaker 2>this or is it just like this ever giving fountain

1169
00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:44.639
<v Speaker 2>of youth for you that keeps you going?

1170
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:47.599
<v Speaker 6>I feel like every time I want to give up,

1171
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:51.199
<v Speaker 6>something happens that kind of reinvigorates it. Like there are

1172
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:53.719
<v Speaker 6>moments I'm like, well, it's not really interesting right now,

1173
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:55.679
<v Speaker 6>I'll kind of keep my ear on what's going on

1174
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:59.239
<v Speaker 6>to see and probably up to a couple of years ago,

1175
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:01.159
<v Speaker 6>a couple of years ago, I was like, you know,

1176
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:03.039
<v Speaker 6>this is starting to get a little dry. I wonder,

1177
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:06.480
<v Speaker 6>you know, is it really worth pursuing it. And then

1178
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:09.599
<v Speaker 6>Matt came to me with some information he found up north,

1179
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:13.800
<v Speaker 6>and we start hitting that area pretty significantly, and just

1180
00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:16.079
<v Speaker 6>getting out there again and being really active in the

1181
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:20.239
<v Speaker 6>actual investigating and the research kind of you know, brought

1182
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:21.199
<v Speaker 6>the life back into it.

1183
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:21.480
<v Speaker 4>To me.

1184
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:25.519
<v Speaker 6>I get I'm not a scientist by any means, and

1185
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:27.079
<v Speaker 6>I'll never be the smartest guy in the room, but

1186
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:30.599
<v Speaker 6>I'm a pretty smart guy, and I just after a while,

1187
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:33.079
<v Speaker 6>like I lose interest in things if there's nothing to

1188
00:57:33.159 --> 00:57:35.199
<v Speaker 6>kind of cultivate it. And like we've gone years without

1189
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:38.920
<v Speaker 6>really good videos, We've gone years without really good evidence

1190
00:57:39.039 --> 00:57:41.679
<v Speaker 6>and proof, and it's like, what's it going to take

1191
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:47.679
<v Speaker 6>to really get some real legitimacy behind what we're doing

1192
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:49.599
<v Speaker 6>and people to kind of take it serious, and we

1193
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:53.039
<v Speaker 6>get more scientific minds involved that might be able to

1194
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:56.840
<v Speaker 6>help kind of cultivate some interest or teach us something

1195
00:57:56.880 --> 00:57:59.079
<v Speaker 6>new that maybe we're missing that we could be using

1196
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:03.000
<v Speaker 6>in our research. And you know, just you know, getting

1197
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:05.800
<v Speaker 6>out in the woods and just being out there and

1198
00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:09.559
<v Speaker 6>that kind of reinvigorated it for me. So I don't know,

1199
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:11.480
<v Speaker 6>I kind of go back and forth, Cliff. I like,

1200
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:14.679
<v Speaker 6>there have been times I've wanted to just like leave it,

1201
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:18.079
<v Speaker 6>but then it's still unsolved, and I don't like to

1202
00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:20.960
<v Speaker 6>leave something unfinished. I think that's the big thing. Like

1203
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:23.559
<v Speaker 6>I'll never be the guy that prove it, but damn,

1204
00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:25.320
<v Speaker 6>I really want to be a part of the journey

1205
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:28.119
<v Speaker 6>to do it. But you know, still, it's one hell

1206
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:30.119
<v Speaker 6>of a ride. It's a lot of fun. There's nights

1207
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:32.000
<v Speaker 6>out there where you get some great stuff and you

1208
00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:33.840
<v Speaker 6>come off of you know, you get one of the

1209
00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:36.519
<v Speaker 6>best ties of your life. And then there's other nights

1210
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:38.519
<v Speaker 6>where it's you know, boring, and you're like, God, I

1211
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:40.440
<v Speaker 6>can't believe I spend hours out here for nothing.

1212
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it takes a special kind of person to keep

1213
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:44.400
<v Speaker 2>on doing this for as long as you have been

1214
00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:45.280
<v Speaker 2>so right.

1215
00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:46.880
<v Speaker 6>But you know, I'm also a little insane, so it

1216
00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:50.480
<v Speaker 6>doesn't really can't hurt or it doesn't hurt. So what

1217
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:52.800
<v Speaker 6>is the future. What's the future hold for you? I

1218
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:55.400
<v Speaker 6>know you mentioned about maybe a possible book in the future.

1219
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:57.440
<v Speaker 6>What else is going on? Like and then what do

1220
00:58:57.480 --> 00:58:58.960
<v Speaker 6>you see in the next two or three, four or

1221
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:00.960
<v Speaker 6>five years? All right? Well, I'm working more with Small

1222
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:05.119
<v Speaker 6>Town Monsters A they just released the ten year anniversary book.

1223
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:07.000
<v Speaker 6>I have an essay in there I wrote I call

1224
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:11.639
<v Speaker 6>myself their unofficial cheerleader in chief, and I've you know,

1225
00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:16.280
<v Speaker 6>kickstarted every single one of their projects. I've been a

1226
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:18.280
<v Speaker 6>part of small Town Monster even sell merch at the

1227
00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:20.519
<v Speaker 6>conferences form when they needed an extra hand. I just

1228
00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:22.679
<v Speaker 6>love those guys. They're great people. I love spending time

1229
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:25.719
<v Speaker 6>with them, and so I like doing you know, I

1230
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:28.320
<v Speaker 6>probably do some more of that, and then, you know,

1231
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:30.119
<v Speaker 6>I got a book coming out. Matt Arner and I

1232
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:34.119
<v Speaker 6>are writing a book tentatively called Elusive Truth, which is

1233
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:37.679
<v Speaker 6>kind of biographical but kind of case file. So it's

1234
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:39.079
<v Speaker 6>going to be an interesting type of book.

1235
00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:39.400
<v Speaker 4>You know.

1236
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:42.800
<v Speaker 6>It's by all means not going to be the phenomenal

1237
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:45.800
<v Speaker 6>Sasquatch or Sasquatch the apes among us. But I think

1238
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:47.480
<v Speaker 6>it's going to be a fun book. I think if

1239
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:50.480
<v Speaker 6>anything I want people to get from it is, you know,

1240
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:54.639
<v Speaker 6>the research we've done and the background that we have,

1241
00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:56.079
<v Speaker 6>and I just want them to be able to hear

1242
00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:57.960
<v Speaker 6>it in my voice and be able to understand that

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<v Speaker 6>there's passion, dedication, but a lot of fun that's gone

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<v Speaker 6>into this. And you know, we've met some great people

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<v Speaker 6>and some crazy people along the way. Like it's going

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<v Speaker 6>to be a different type of book for sure, And

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<v Speaker 6>I'm going to keep doing this. I'm starting to do

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<v Speaker 6>more more lectures. I do a lot of speaking engagements

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<v Speaker 6>for like Lions clubs and small organizations that you know,

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<v Speaker 6>when they have some sort of charitable situation behind him,

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<v Speaker 6>I like to be a part of that. Again, guys,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not the guy that likes to speak up in

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<v Speaker 6>front of large group. I mean, I do it for

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<v Speaker 6>a living, I don't, you know, as a hobby. It's okay,

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<v Speaker 6>but that's not why I join this field. I joined

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<v Speaker 6>the field to be out and doing it and being involved.

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<v Speaker 6>But if there's something that's going to get a benefit

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<v Speaker 6>out of it, I'll do us speaking engagement or so forth.

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<v Speaker 6>I got to get better at it, you know, I

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<v Speaker 6>don't know. I just don't like the limelight to be

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<v Speaker 6>on me. I'd rather have it beyond my cool friends

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<v Speaker 6>and work behind the scenes. I like that stuff a

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<v Speaker 6>lot more.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like I'm going to be very, very busy

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<v Speaker 2>for the foreseeable future. Then, you know, we're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>coming to the end of the hour here, so one

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<v Speaker 2>or one more time plug the small Town Monster series

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<v Speaker 2>so that I'm sure, Matt you'll probably put it in

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<v Speaker 2>the show notes, I assume.

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<v Speaker 3>So, yes, you can click the link in the show

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<v Speaker 3>notes and go to the first episode in that series.

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<v Speaker 3>And usually with small Town Monsters, they'll create a playlist,

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<v Speaker 3>so as new episodes in that series roll out, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure there'll be a playlist that'll have all those in

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<v Speaker 3>one place.

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<v Speaker 2>Another reason to subscribe to Small Town Monsters, as if

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<v Speaker 2>you needed one, right, all right, well, you know, Sean,

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<v Speaker 2>if you can, we'd love to continue this conversation on

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<v Speaker 2>the member side of things, because we do a member

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<v Speaker 2>episode every comes out every Thursday for our members, who

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<v Speaker 2>we affectionately call pigeons of course, So yeah, this will

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<v Speaker 2>be on Monday, but the members episodeill come on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>We can continue the conversation over there. Any last minute

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts bobs before we close out the episode.

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<v Speaker 5>Now that's going to say thanks to the fork Shot

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<v Speaker 5>for coming in the Voice of Reason. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 5>appreciate it them.

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<v Speaker 4>Check it out.

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<v Speaker 5>He's got a cool podcast Sasquatch Experience, Big for An Experience, Sasquatch.

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<v Speaker 6>Experience, sas Waders Spirit Bow Correct.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, saswas Experience Experience. Folks.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, thanks for joining us on Bigfoot and Beyond

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<v Speaker 5>with Cliff and Bubo. We appreciate it and hit like,

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<v Speaker 5>hit share, and if you got any stories or any

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<v Speaker 5>comments or questions, go ahead and right to us. All right,

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks y'all, keep it squatchy.

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