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Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay.
Speaker 4: Good day, Bubbo, Good day sir.
Speaker 2: How are you doing? My friend oh Man.
Speaker 5: Just like a lot of the people, we lost another
Speaker 5: great one, this one not as unexpected, but I mean
Speaker 5: just our good buddy Waldly here's some bigfoot benefactor. I
Speaker 5: mean supported all of us with the user of equipment
Speaker 5: and you know, just support, you know, like giving us
Speaker 5: gas money to go on missions and whatever. I mean,
Speaker 5: he's just just a great guy. He's had an interesting role.
Speaker 5: He's behind the scenes guy, but he's had a huge
Speaker 5: impact on all of us and we just all love
Speaker 5: the guy. So it's just it's sad that he's gone.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got word of that last week actually on Monday,
Speaker 2: as I was driving home from my friend's funeral. So
Speaker 2: it was a gut just a one two punch in
Speaker 2: the gut on there. I mean, gosh, looking back to
Speaker 2: September ninth, I think it was when doctor Meldrim died,
Speaker 2: So we had like Meldrum died, Scott Violette died, my
Speaker 2: buddy Jeff died, then Wally died. Four friends in the
Speaker 2: last what six weeks? Oh, and Jane Goodall too. I
Speaker 2: didn't know her, but we claimed her as her own.
Speaker 2: So you know there's a yeah, four friends and someone
Speaker 2: I would have liked to have known in what period
Speaker 2: of six weeks?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's we were saying, like they go on threes
Speaker 5: and it was like it was like we were claiming
Speaker 5: Jane good All. But like you know, we didn't have
Speaker 5: like a I mean, Wally was like a personal good
Speaker 5: friend to all of us.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and he really made a lot of early
Speaker 2: research and thermal imaging possible. I mean he gave me
Speaker 2: my first therm. It's still being used today, or the
Speaker 2: second term actually is being used today in the museum.
Speaker 2: It's that if you go into the museum and look
Speaker 2: at yourself on the thermal imager on the thermal imaging display,
Speaker 2: that is one that was a gift from Wally. So
Speaker 2: and of course he funded the Olympic project for a
Speaker 2: long time as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he bart and I was first, do you have
Speaker 5: a squats through thermal was because of while he brought
Speaker 5: up to the red Woods one time when he was
Speaker 5: up here on an expedition, like twenty years ago.
Speaker 4: Almost. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I had a lot of time in the Woods with
Speaker 2: Wally and went to Florida with him. I went to Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: I think with him one time. I went no, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if he was on that one northern
Speaker 2: California numerous times with him. He was just a great,
Speaker 2: great dude man, a great great dude. And he's going
Speaker 2: to be sorely missed. He was ninety years.
Speaker 4: Old, ninety three, I think, no, I had that.
Speaker 2: His son told me ninety. But I could be wrong,
Speaker 2: but I could be wrong. But nonetheless, a good run,
Speaker 2: a good run, and an exciting life. Very interesting guy.
Speaker 2: You know. He had a major in music. He played clarinet, Yeah,
Speaker 2: at Long Beach State, right, yeah, Long Beach State. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then of course he went into the Army. And
Speaker 2: he told me that he took an aptitude test when
Speaker 2: he went into the army because there weren't enough gigs
Speaker 2: for a working musician at the time to support a
Speaker 2: wife and family, and he took an aptitude test and
Speaker 2: when it came back the person who you know, the
Speaker 2: military dude who gave him the aptitude test, says, well,
Speaker 2: we're just going to keep in electronics, you know where
Speaker 2: you're good and while he goes, what do you mean,
Speaker 2: he says, well, yeah, you aced your electronics section, so
Speaker 2: we're just going to keep you there. So that's what
Speaker 2: you obviously do for a living or something. And Wally goes,
Speaker 2: I don't know the first thing about electronics. He goes, what, well,
Speaker 2: you got you aced it. You totally aced it. And
Speaker 2: of course while he was in the army, things happened
Speaker 2: and he got the seed idea, and he basically revolutionized
Speaker 2: power supplies even though he didn't know a darn thing
Speaker 2: about electronics. Pretty much every cell tower in the world
Speaker 2: runs on some component that Wally Harson thought up. So
Speaker 2: that's how he made his wealth, kind of on accidents through.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Something very and I remember that it brought the powers
Speaker 2: apply the size of a building to a power supply
Speaker 2: the size of a car, is what he told me
Speaker 2: at one point.
Speaker 5: And then then he let his patent. He he just said,
Speaker 5: he goes, well, I think it'd be better for the world.
Speaker 5: Like he had a huge patent and that he decided
Speaker 5: just to let go. He said, you know what, it's
Speaker 5: his His patent was holding people back from you know,
Speaker 5: like startups and like young bright minds from you know,
Speaker 5: the you know, go Forth because they couldn't pay him
Speaker 5: or whatever. So he just said he just threw the patent.
Speaker 5: I can't remember which one it was, but there's something
Speaker 5: about a CDC adapters and you know it helped the
Speaker 5: whole you know, help mankind really, you know, like get better,
Speaker 5: cheaper power.
Speaker 4: And yeah, he is, he is. I remember I mean this.
Speaker 4: I mean he was.
Speaker 5: He was a legit billionaire and I just never forget.
Speaker 5: We were sitting in the winter up in a garbage
Speaker 5: dump on the Olympic Peninsula, the Quinnault Reservation, and while
Speaker 5: he was sitting there, I was like, well, you could
Speaker 5: be like chartering a yacht Mediterranean with ten playmates on it.
Speaker 4: You know, You're sitting in a cold, freezing rain garbage.
Speaker 5: Dump, you know, out here in the middle of nowhere,
Speaker 5: with you know, with us our bottle of wine with
Speaker 5: clon bobo and He's just like, I love it.
Speaker 4: I was just like, this guy's the man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the coolest duds to ever live. And
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry to see him go.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So anyways, yeah, we miss you well, I love
Speaker 4: you and best of his whole.
Speaker 6: Family and Jay, Yeah sad to see him go.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Anyways, what we got? What do we got this week? On?
Speaker 4: We got a good guess here.
Speaker 2: We have a fantastic guest. You know, this guy may
Speaker 2: not be a household name in Bigfoot. He's not a
Speaker 2: Roger Patterson level celebrity and Bigfoot. In his own words,
Speaker 2: just a little while ago while we're chatting, I think
Speaker 2: he said he's the worst promoted Bigfooter of all times.
Speaker 2: But that does not make him any less dear to
Speaker 2: my herd or yours, Bobes or Matt Prude who's working
Speaker 2: around in the background somewhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we have a great friend on today. That I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm interested in speaking to him because I've known this
Speaker 2: guy for years and years we all have, and and
Speaker 2: I was just thinking a little while ago, how remarkably
Speaker 2: little I actually do know about this guy, even though
Speaker 2: I call him a friend. So let's hop in there
Speaker 2: and learn a little bit our good everybody's new friend
Speaker 2: Sean Forker. Sean, thanks so much for coming on the
Speaker 2: podcast with us.
Speaker 6: Well, thanks for having me, guys. I appreciate being here. Bobo.
Speaker 6: It's finally great to talk to you, sir. I miss
Speaker 6: you at conferences. We never seem to line up at
Speaker 6: the same events, but it's great to sit down and
Speaker 6: talk with you guys today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I glad to hear Yeah, you know, speaking of
Speaker 2: the conferences, that's at about the only time I see
Speaker 2: you nowadays. Of course, that's about the only time I
Speaker 2: see a lot of my Bigfoot friends who are spread
Speaker 2: around the country. And since Bobo's not so much on
Speaker 2: the road anymore, got a wonder like, would you be
Speaker 2: willing to travel to go see Bobo if you knew
Speaker 2: Bobo was going to be appearing somewhere.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, He's one of the few bigfooters over the
Speaker 6: years that you know, you know through association or by
Speaker 6: you know, of course finding Bigfoot, but also you know
Speaker 6: just through reading different investigations and the books, that he's
Speaker 6: just a guy I have to meet. It feels like
Speaker 6: I've known him forever, just like Youcliff. I felt like
Speaker 6: I've known you forever in Ohio. Now, I wasn't there
Speaker 6: that year. I wasn't there that year. Bobo, you must
Speaker 6: have met an imposter.
Speaker 4: I went to like four ohios.
Speaker 6: Yeah, everyone, every year you want is a year I missed.
Speaker 5: No, I guess I guess we'll listening to your podcast.
Speaker 5: I guess I thought i'd Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6: The podcast has been around for a long time though, too,
Speaker 6: man like, we've been doing that for since two thousand
Speaker 6: and six, before podcasting was a thing.
Speaker 4: Are you the longest running bigfoot podcast?
Speaker 6: No, Steve calls the Squatch Detective is, but we're pretty
Speaker 6: close with them after that. Congratulations, Thanks, I've done your
Speaker 6: podcast before, But what is the name of your podcast?
Speaker 6: I don't remember Sasquatch Experience, very Hendrix like of you. Yeah, well,
Speaker 6: you know, now there's all kinds of experiences, the Joe
Speaker 6: Rogan experience. You know, everybody's got an experience, but we
Speaker 6: were the Sasquatch experience before the experience was cool. And
Speaker 6: can even wonder if you know, besides our community, if
Speaker 6: Bigfoot is really cool, right bigfoots, that's good. It's cool
Speaker 6: to us, and that's what matters.
Speaker 2: I think it's very clear that Joe Rogan obviously copied
Speaker 2: your podcasts name, right, I mean already did. Yeah, following
Speaker 2: the in the in the path of greatness of course.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I'm glad that they can, you know,
Speaker 6: take an example. I'm proud to be an example for
Speaker 6: many out there.
Speaker 2: Keep fighting the good fight, my friend. Well, so tell
Speaker 2: us about your podcast, I mean it has it stayed
Speaker 2: in the same format the entire time, same host, same length,
Speaker 2: same everything, or what's the what's the difference here between
Speaker 2: the Sasquatch experience in twenty twenty five versus two thousand
Speaker 2: and six.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I think the one thing that makes
Speaker 6: Sasquatch experience different is we don't focus on, you know,
Speaker 6: the uh sensationalized Bigfoot stories, and we don't you know,
Speaker 6: over promote or rely on buzzwords to you know, promote
Speaker 6: those the episodes, we don't embellish them. You know, we
Speaker 6: talk about either topics in the field, whether it's some
Speaker 6: sort of research topic, or we talk with a uh,
Speaker 6: you know, an actual field investigator or somebody that puts
Speaker 6: the boots on the ground, or folks that have just
Speaker 6: had a long term interest, you know, because I also
Speaker 6: feel like as a post you know, I know there's
Speaker 6: a popular viewpoint out there that armchair researchers, you know,
Speaker 6: they're just you know commentators online, but some of them
Speaker 6: are very useful and they could provide you with data
Speaker 6: pretty quickly when you need it. So we talk with
Speaker 6: the quote unquote armchairs and you know, anybody that's you know,
Speaker 6: pretty credible. We try to do a good job of
Speaker 6: vetting and sorting who we're talking to, and not to
Speaker 6: be snobs, but just because we have a particular audience
Speaker 6: that listens to the show. And now cliff it hash
Speaker 6: changed its format. It started with myself and Henry May.
Speaker 6: Then we added James Baker, you know, the bake Shop
Speaker 6: a little while after that, and then we now evolved
Speaker 6: to you know, having Vance and has bit Matt Arner
Speaker 6: on the show. Matt's a law enforcement professional, so he
Speaker 6: brings a unique point of view to the panel. And
Speaker 6: I'm more moderate now than host. So it's it's changed
Speaker 6: over the years, but I think you have to bet
Speaker 6: out our core. The one thing we haven't changed is
Speaker 6: what our purpose is. And while it's entertainment, it's really
Speaker 6: more about the information.
Speaker 2: I love that you're avoiding the buzzwords as you say,
Speaker 2: I mean to use that term, and that's basically you know,
Speaker 2: some sort of like verbal clickbait to some way. Is
Speaker 2: that what you're thinking.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't like the you know, like, yeah, clickbait's
Speaker 6: probably the best term for it. And you see it
Speaker 6: when you see the videos posted online or and you
Speaker 6: have to fight really hard to overcome that. Like we've
Speaker 6: even we try to come up with catchy titles for
Speaker 6: our show, but I never want to use something that
Speaker 6: you know, takes it and sensationalize it for a lot
Speaker 6: more than what it is. And like I told you,
Speaker 6: you know, I think, even with myself when it's come
Speaker 6: the promotion over the years, it's I've always wanted it
Speaker 6: to be about the subject, not about me, not about
Speaker 6: anything else, you know, not that I'm not an interesting person,
Speaker 6: because I kind of think I am, but I just
Speaker 6: I don't know. I'm happy being a footnote in this story.
Speaker 6: And you know, wherever it takes me is where it
Speaker 6: takes me. But you know, I love this topic. I
Speaker 6: love talking about it. Hence the podcast and why I've
Speaker 6: done it for so long.
Speaker 4: You guys don't have chilling and terrifying episodes every week.
Speaker 6: No, no, you know, I you know, don't talk about
Speaker 6: you know, Rainbow versus Bigfoot or you know, Bigfoot kicking
Speaker 6: down a front door and decapitating a family. You know,
Speaker 6: that's not what you know we're about.
Speaker 4: And it's not you're blowing it.
Speaker 6: I know, I missing a huge opportunity there. We did
Speaker 6: toy with the idea of like adding a fictional component
Speaker 6: to the show, where we were going to run like
Speaker 6: a long term story through a whole season. But then
Speaker 6: I kind of felt, well, we're going against what kind
Speaker 6: of our core values are. Even though it would be
Speaker 6: entertainment and presented that way, we wouldn't want to confuse anybody,
Speaker 6: even on the slightest in doing that, because you know,
Speaker 6: it is a matter how hard you try to tell people, y'all.
Speaker 6: It was just you know, it was just a story.
Speaker 6: Someone's going to come along and say, been hoaxing or
Speaker 6: all that, and I don't want to deal with any
Speaker 6: of that crap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's the state of the audience today. I
Speaker 2: mean not our audience and probably not yours either, But
Speaker 2: people will believe anything you put out there, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And let's they are specifically told in their face, probably
Speaker 2: several times in an episode that it is fiction.
Speaker 6: Oh that doesn't even matter anymore. You know, if somebody's
Speaker 6: convicted enough in that story, we could tell them it's
Speaker 6: made up, or or someone told you that. You know. Hell,
Speaker 6: you know, I know for a fat Cliff that you're
Speaker 6: a plant by the government. Does the hide to Bigfoot mystery?
Speaker 2: You know I've heard that many times.
Speaker 6: Yeah right, you know we're all shills for the lumber
Speaker 6: industry or whatnot to keep Bigfoot under wraps. You hear
Speaker 6: it all the time. It's the silliest. If I was
Speaker 6: a show for a government agency, I wouldn't be working
Speaker 6: for a living. There'd be a lot more zeros in
Speaker 6: my bank account. If you're going to get me to
Speaker 6: participate in a couple. I'm not saying I'm not for sale.
Speaker 6: If anybody's listening out there, you know I can be bought.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying that it would be I would not
Speaker 6: be working for a living if that was the case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd have better healthcare, that's for sure.
Speaker 6: How about it, man, My god, rising costs, Let's fix it.
Speaker 6: Get back to work, people.
Speaker 7: Uh, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
Speaker 7: and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think a lot of this the steff
Speaker 2: that we're seeing out there, you know, it's been in
Speaker 2: the New era, and you know, say, you're an old timer.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're much younger than me. I think, wait,
Speaker 2: did you just turn forty years old or something?
Speaker 6: Just turned forty?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so you're just a youngling as far as
Speaker 2: I'm concerned. But you are basically an old timer because
Speaker 2: you've been in this game for even longer than I have.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is my thirty first or
Speaker 2: thirty second year. I can't remember. I had the thirty
Speaker 2: first year of doing bigfoot stuff, and you've been doing
Speaker 2: it longer than me.
Speaker 6: Well right, and it's it goes back to when I
Speaker 6: got involved in it, and I got involved in it
Speaker 6: very young. And you know, my grandfather had just passed
Speaker 6: away on Thursday, but he's a big reason I got
Speaker 6: involved in this. Growing up in you know, our family
Speaker 6: shows like In Search of and Our Unsolved Mysteries and
Speaker 6: Arthur C. Clark's Mysterious World We're always on. And Grandpa
Speaker 6: always had these books Strange Creatures of the Amazon, or
Speaker 6: he had this book by Vincent Price called Monsters. It's
Speaker 6: actually on the shelf in my studio here and actually
Speaker 6: I'd beaten the hell out of a book so bad
Speaker 6: it's kept together by duct tape. And in there it
Speaker 6: had pictures of Deloy's Ape, if you remember that story
Speaker 6: from South America, which was a huge influence on me,
Speaker 6: Like what the hell's this man monkey type thing? Of course,
Speaker 6: you know, we learned later it was, you know, nothing
Speaker 6: more than a spider monkey, but it was still cool
Speaker 6: and in my mind, you know, hella awesome. And then
Speaker 6: when I was eight, on a road trip to Virginia
Speaker 6: Beach to see one of my uncles, I wouldn't shut up.
Speaker 6: I was driving my dad nuts in the car. So
Speaker 6: he gets a book, and the book happened to be
Speaker 6: Sasquatched The Apes among Us because my dad's also always
Speaker 6: been interested in all this. And I read that book
Speaker 6: at eight years old, if you can imagine reading Sasquatch
Speaker 6: the Apes among Us and I read the chapter Eastern
Speaker 6: Action and realized this is in Pennsylvania because you know,
Speaker 6: back then all the TV shows talked about it in
Speaker 6: like the Pacific Northwest, and I'm like, holy crap. And
Speaker 6: then to me and I just started finding everything I can.
Speaker 6: Libraries had, you know, a few books on Bigfoot. I
Speaker 6: would get the books I can. I still might not
Speaker 6: have ever taken some of them back. I'm sorry, I'll
Speaker 6: make it up to you. And like I was just
Speaker 6: captivated by all this. And then when I got to
Speaker 6: be a teenager, I was like, oh, hey, I can
Speaker 6: go out and investigate. And you know, I found the
Speaker 6: BFRO website, like when that first came online, the internet
Speaker 6: Virtual Bigfoot Conference. So like there was all this great
Speaker 6: information coming to me at a great time. I just
Speaker 6: happened to be fortunate guys to grow up at that time.
Speaker 6: The Internet was starting to take off, and so that
Speaker 6: opened up a whole new world to bigfoot. And then
Speaker 6: I joined the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society and met Eric Altman,
Speaker 6: and Eric Altman who I call my mentor, and I
Speaker 6: think he's he still can't believe anybody would consider him
Speaker 6: a mentor, but you know, he brought me into this
Speaker 6: and taught me a whole heck of a lot. So
Speaker 6: that's really how I got into this. My grandpa's fast
Speaker 6: nation with weird things, and it just kind of, you know,
Speaker 6: took me by storm.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you got raised by some good kinfolk there, I mean,
Speaker 5: Grandpa and dad interested in it.
Speaker 4: That's that's great.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well, my grandfather used to host a UFO
Speaker 6: study group under the guise of a Bible study. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and he shared that with us, not not well, maybe
Speaker 6: a couple of years ago, because you couldn't talk about
Speaker 6: that stuff back then, because you know, you were hell
Speaker 6: that was probably during the Satanic Panic era and everything else.
Speaker 6: You know, you talk about that stuff, they'll you know,
Speaker 6: we're in small town Pennsylvania. You know, you probably wouldn't
Speaker 6: last very long here. So it just became a you know,
Speaker 6: growing up with weird things. It was just a way
Speaker 6: of life for us. I never thought it not to
Speaker 6: be not cool or not normal.
Speaker 2: So so you were you were hooked at pretty young age,
Speaker 2: it sounds like, and you got he also got hooked
Speaker 2: up with the right people, with Eric Altman and some
Speaker 2: other folks or whatever out there. Tell us about some
Speaker 2: of your earliest field work, because at that point, being
Speaker 2: a young man and everything, he probably wanted to get
Speaker 2: out there and go see a bigfoot and find tracks
Speaker 2: and do all this sort of thing and talk to witnesses.
Speaker 2: Like what were some of the earliest things that you
Speaker 2: were doing, Like what did you consider field work or
Speaker 2: investigations at that point in your life.
Speaker 6: Oh, you know, so I would go out and hike
Speaker 6: and camp. And I live in north central Pennsylvania, which
Speaker 6: you know Pennsylvania. Everybody thinks Philadelphia or Pittsburgh. They forget
Speaker 6: that there's like millions of acres in between that's just woodlands, right, Like,
Speaker 6: there's so much pristine, beautiful woodlands out here, and I
Speaker 6: live right in the heart of it. And you know,
Speaker 6: you could go up to the Loyal Soox State Forest,
Speaker 6: out to the Susquehanna State Forest and actually not far
Speaker 6: from where I do the majority of a lot of
Speaker 6: my research today and just ask people if they've seen
Speaker 6: things or heard things. Back then, you could see it
Speaker 6: on the internet. You know, in the early two thousands,
Speaker 6: I would get reports from the PBS Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society,
Speaker 6: so I would go out and follow up on them.
Speaker 6: And you know, I was really doing witness interviews at
Speaker 6: an early I probably started doing witness interviews at seventeen,
Speaker 6: eighteen years old, so I was really still young doing that.
Speaker 6: And you'll learn I was always gifted with being able
Speaker 6: to talk to people. My grandpa used to tell me
Speaker 6: I could sell Iso and Eskimo when they were on vacations.
Speaker 6: So I just have a great way of connecting with
Speaker 6: people and trusting personality, and I get things out of
Speaker 6: people that you would never think. And this part of
Speaker 6: Pennsylvania is a very conservative part of the state. You know,
Speaker 6: we're talking about very you know, generations of families that hunt,
Speaker 6: hunting cabins, hunting leases that if you start talking about bigfoot,
Speaker 6: you won't talk about it with your friends because they'll
Speaker 6: kick you out of the hunting cabin and then you
Speaker 6: you know, what are you going to do? But every
Speaker 6: once in a while, you'd get that one guy who
Speaker 6: would come aside and say, hey, you really believe in that. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I do, Well, let me tell you the story. So
Speaker 6: I would get some of the old timers that would
Speaker 6: tell me some of those stories of you know, they
Speaker 6: were out fishing at their you know, local fishing hole,
Speaker 6: and one guy had something. He was walking back to
Speaker 6: his view vehicle with a lantern and something, he said
Speaker 6: very large walked in front of him and it was
Speaker 6: large upright and covered with reddish brown hair. He sees
Speaker 6: it faintly through his lantern light, and it was no bear.
Speaker 6: And these the guys that live around here are outdoorsmen.
Speaker 6: These people know what animals live in their backyard or
Speaker 6: live in this area. That's the kind of stuff that,
Speaker 6: you know, made me think, well, they would know what
Speaker 6: a bear is, and if they're telling me it's not
Speaker 6: a bear, well then there's got to be something to this.
Speaker 6: So that that's kind of what kept me going. And
Speaker 6: then you would not get it just from outdoorsmen. But
Speaker 6: there was a lady, probably about fifteen miles from where
Speaker 6: I live. She was riding her bicycle on a wooded
Speaker 6: road and she felt like something was watching her from
Speaker 6: the woods, and she could see a figure kind of
Speaker 6: paralleling her on this little like this little step down
Speaker 6: you know, the roadside, and then the burma the road
Speaker 6: and it kind of uh declines a little bit, and
Speaker 6: she could see this figure kind of stalking her as
Speaker 6: she's you know, riding her bike back to her proper
Speaker 6: and it followed her a good way, and at one point,
Speaker 6: she said, she felt like it threw something at her
Speaker 6: and she could feel it buzz pass, but it missed her.
Speaker 6: And then one night, something had taken the garbage from
Speaker 6: outside her home, moved the can down to the end
Speaker 6: of her property and lifted she didn't say tore the
Speaker 6: garbage bags or knocked it out and ripped the lifted
Speaker 6: like it lifted the garbage bags out and neatly went
Speaker 6: through it. So at that point, you know, you either
Speaker 6: got a stalker or you've got something out there that's
Speaker 6: you know, very curious about what. You are a lot
Speaker 6: smarter than most animals, and you know, obviously wanted something.
Speaker 6: So I mean it it was enough for her to
Speaker 6: you know, seek out assistance to the PBS and sent
Speaker 6: me that way. So a lot of my early investigations
Speaker 6: were were stuff like that. And I was doing that
Speaker 6: cliff like I said ten eighteen years old. I was
Speaker 6: following up on those storage That's.
Speaker 2: A fantastic way to spend the days, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: On that trash one, when did she mention anything about them?
Speaker 5: I don't know if you got to see the trash
Speaker 5: when it got pulled out or like that, but did
Speaker 5: she mention like things being separated or like piles out
Speaker 5: of different things?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 6: What was interesting about that, Bobo was it wasn't like
Speaker 6: it was just thrown about. It was like it was
Speaker 6: kind of just like something was picking through it, like
Speaker 6: it wasn't neatly stacked or piled. Because I did see it,
Speaker 6: and actually I probably have photos of it somewhere still.
Speaker 6: We've had it on the old website a long time ago,
Speaker 6: and it was just like the trash was just kind
Speaker 6: of like it was looking for something particular, like rather
Speaker 6: it was looking for some sort of food or what
Speaker 6: it was looking for. It was just very unique. And
Speaker 6: then what was funny later is I would have a
Speaker 6: report probably in two thousand and thirteen or twenty fourteen,
Speaker 6: of a lady her dog was very insistent about going
Speaker 6: out outside. It was just got done raining dog runs
Speaker 6: to the end of the deck and it stops and
Speaker 6: she goes look at what it's doing. And down at
Speaker 6: the end of her driveway under this, you know, they
Speaker 6: have a light over it's a dumpster area and there's
Speaker 6: a big foot going through the trash. And this is like, god,
Speaker 6: fourteen fifteen years later when this story happens, So some
Speaker 6: parallels there.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a lot of your early work was
Speaker 2: following up on eyewitnessed sightings and talking to witnesses and interviewing,
Speaker 2: documenting that sort of stuff. And you did see the
Speaker 2: trash strewn about. I guess you saw you followed up
Speaker 2: on that and actually observed that. What other physical sign
Speaker 2: like tracks or whatever that you may have have you
Speaker 2: seen doing these follow up investigations, not only in early years,
Speaker 2: but even you know, your vast three decade plus experience
Speaker 2: of doing this sort of stuff.
Speaker 6: I would love to say a ton, and it's not
Speaker 6: really a huge amount. I've seen tracks, I've seen you know,
Speaker 6: what we've believed to be hair samples. We've collected some
Speaker 6: hair samples over the air and sent them out. You know,
Speaker 6: I've had a sighting of my own cliff that really
Speaker 6: changed the way I thought about the whole field and
Speaker 6: I almost quit bigfooting after that encounter that me and
Speaker 6: my buddies had up on you. Actually, now, you guys
Speaker 6: were oute up in Clearfield, rockedon Mountain, and I had
Speaker 6: a report a guy would call me early in the morning,
Speaker 6: probably about two thirty. It would range from two thirty
Speaker 6: to four o'clock. And he called me for weeks at
Speaker 6: a time, and he was something would be screaming outside
Speaker 6: his house, or it would be beating on the walls
Speaker 6: of his home, and we went out there, and of
Speaker 6: course we would go out there, nothing whatever happened. But
Speaker 6: you know, he called the one night really been out
Speaker 6: of shape, and he's like, I called the state police.
Speaker 6: I want somebody out here, because like something was like
Speaker 6: pounding on the outside of his house and he sticks
Speaker 6: the phone out the door, out the window, and like
Speaker 6: you can hear something out there screaming, and the one like,
Speaker 6: either this guy's got like one angry neighbor out there
Speaker 6: that's really pissed off at him, or he's got something
Speaker 6: going on out there. And but whenever we would go
Speaker 6: out there, we're never able to substantiate it.
Speaker 4: Did you were able to determine what he was doing
Speaker 4: to cause this aggression.
Speaker 6: No, we weren't. And because at first I thought we
Speaker 6: just had somebody yank in our leg, you know, I
Speaker 6: thought it was just somebody out here. I didn't quite
Speaker 6: take him seriously. But when he's like, you know, he's like,
Speaker 6: I called the state police and the state police are
Speaker 6: coming out, I'm like, Okay, well, maybe I'm I'm misjudging this,
Speaker 6: And I honestly, Bobo think he was just living out there,
Speaker 6: like maybe he had done something to stir something up,
Speaker 6: but like he towards the end was genuinely concerned. And
Speaker 6: then we never got a call from him again after
Speaker 6: the state plea showed up at his house. So you know,
Speaker 6: either he was really yanking our chain and you know,
Speaker 6: going through extremes try to get us out there for
Speaker 6: whatever reason he had, or you know, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I kind of feel bad that we never really took
Speaker 6: it as seriously as we should have.
Speaker 2: Well, how would you know, though, you know, so many
Speaker 2: people bring you so many things, and you've got to
Speaker 2: have to separate the week from the shaft at some point,
Speaker 2: you know, but how would you how could you even
Speaker 2: tell without having first and experience with it.
Speaker 6: Right, I mean, even today when we get people sending
Speaker 6: us sound clips or you know, even these videos, how
Speaker 6: do we know somebody's not out there with a sound
Speaker 6: recording call blasting these sounds out to us, or it's
Speaker 6: somebody behind the camera making these sounds. When it sounds
Speaker 6: too much like the Ohio howe I get skeptical.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, you know, I do this show sometimes
Speaker 2: called a Proof is out there on History Channel. It's so,
Speaker 2: you know, one of those clip shows where they show
Speaker 2: some clip and that's some nerd like me talking about it, right,
Speaker 2: And it's several times they have played clips for me that,
Speaker 2: like on little TikTok things or whatever, and it's like,
Speaker 2: what do you think this is? And upon digging and
Speaker 2: then talking to friends and whatever else obvious hoaxes. So
Speaker 2: that's one of them, you know, like one time it
Speaker 2: was a dinosaur sound from some movie or whatever back
Speaker 2: in the day, and another time it was a lion roar,
Speaker 2: but again played as a bigfoot clip like what is this?
Speaker 2: What do you think it is? You know that kind
Speaker 2: of thing, nonsense clipbait, clickbait. Again, that's one of the
Speaker 2: reasons unless I hear the vocalization with my own ears,
Speaker 2: I don't really. I mean, that's it's not like I
Speaker 2: don't care, but it's coming close to me, not Karen,
Speaker 2: because what can I do about it? And how do
Speaker 2: I even know what that's real or not?
Speaker 6: You know, And I'm with you on that, And you know,
Speaker 6: I think the problem is when you actively investigate this stuff.
Speaker 6: I was a little arrogant, you know, for a while,
Speaker 6: because I would take the you know, when people report these,
Speaker 6: you know, road road crossings, and I'm like, oh, it's
Speaker 6: just a road cp crossing encounter. It's you know, you're
Speaker 6: waiting for like the holy Grail of sightings, right like,
Speaker 6: because I think maybe we've all gotten desensitized and not
Speaker 6: realize how incredible a road crossing actually is. Like, well,
Speaker 6: you know, that might not be that great to us,
Speaker 6: but now put that in context. You've seen an unexplained
Speaker 6: entity or being crossed the road in front of you,
Speaker 6: you know, to us as research it might not be,
Speaker 6: but now think about that as the witness, like holy crap.
Speaker 6: And so I had to put myself in check and say, hey,
Speaker 6: you know what, those road crossings are still pretty remarkable.
Speaker 6: They're not happening. It's not like a bear or a
Speaker 6: deer or it's happening every day, so you know, get
Speaker 6: your head out of your ass, forker and start treating these,
Speaker 6: you know, like with a little bit more importance.
Speaker 2: Again, But what is the importance? I'd like to know
Speaker 2: that because from because at this point, for me, road
Speaker 2: crossing is a dot on a map where and when
Speaker 2: a sasquatch was. But what other value does it have
Speaker 2: unless it does something unusual?
Speaker 6: Right? But that's where I'm at, Like, I'm trying to
Speaker 6: put these dots on the map and the time to
Speaker 6: give me the time and place where I could be
Speaker 6: to give me the most results if we're trying to
Speaker 6: research as opposed to react. So if we want to
Speaker 6: actually go out and cultivate an area and try to
Speaker 6: get activity, wouldn't it be helpful to know what time
Speaker 6: we should be out there in terms of season or
Speaker 6: weather or time of day or whatnot. And that's the
Speaker 6: only reason I look at that data, like, you know,
Speaker 6: you're not going to get much out of it. Sides
Speaker 6: that you know that information something across the road here
Speaker 6: and there, you know it scared me, you know, so
Speaker 6: on and so forth, and that's you know, great, and
Speaker 6: I'm you know, sorry, you're scared, but I'm great, you know,
Speaker 6: thankful you appreciated that. But it does become a data point.
Speaker 6: And what we use that for is just to find
Speaker 6: a way for us to kind of be a little
Speaker 6: bit more strategic and when we're deploying ourselves, uh, for
Speaker 6: the research, you know, and there's no definitive patterns in
Speaker 6: anything you could we we have all kinds of data
Speaker 6: crunchers now looking at things. You know, you have Terrestrial
Speaker 6: who's you know, a sweet girl. She she knows what
Speaker 6: she's doing. She's good at Excel and you know, data distribution.
Speaker 6: And we got a guy that was part of the
Speaker 6: team that you know, used data to find Osama bin
Speaker 6: Lad and looking at our data points to you know,
Speaker 6: see if we can tie down a pattern or if
Speaker 6: there's a better place and time we should be to
Speaker 6: deploy ourselves to get evidence. And you know, we're still
Speaker 6: not finding a whole heck of a lot in that data.
Speaker 6: And you know, so aside from being a data I
Speaker 6: don't know what value it has, Cliff, But to me,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm putting myself in that position. Well, maybe
Speaker 6: don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. And there's
Speaker 6: some usable data there, but I am still always looking
Speaker 6: for those a little bit more intense I don't want
Speaker 6: to say frightening encounters, but something that gives us a
Speaker 6: little bit more insight into behavior or you know, actionables
Speaker 6: from these things.
Speaker 7: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 7: Bogo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sightings are interesting, some of them aren't. I mean,
Speaker 2: some of are just brief climpses and that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: But so that's kind of cool, because again, where and
Speaker 2: when that is important? I really do think that is important.
Speaker 2: But it's always those maybe long observations or those observations
Speaker 2: where you see the animal doing something unusual besides you know,
Speaker 2: just walking or something like that. What sort of reports
Speaker 2: have you taken where the animal had exhibited some sort
Speaker 2: of odd behavior or unusual behavior, And for a sasquatch,
Speaker 2: basically that means anything other than simply walking away.
Speaker 6: Right. So I had a couple of situations that I've
Speaker 6: been fortunate to be involved in in terms of there
Speaker 6: was a family in a town in Clearfield County that
Speaker 6: had generational experiences with something in their property. I went
Speaker 6: out there myself in the early twenty ten's and spent
Speaker 6: you know, a decent amount of time out there, and
Speaker 6: I can't say in that particular area. I had a
Speaker 6: lot that happened to me that was extraordinary. I had
Speaker 6: a fleeting glimpse of something through a flash of lightning
Speaker 6: in the woods. So I always questioned whether whether I
Speaker 6: saw anything or not down in this little valley area
Speaker 6: that that family had used like a pavilion and a
Speaker 6: little camping area. But these family, you know, they would
Speaker 6: have ongoing you know, vocalization experiences. They'd have stuff disappearing
Speaker 6: from their property. They had several members of the family
Speaker 6: because they it's not really compound. It sounds like, you know,
Speaker 6: some sort of place getting ready for an FBI raid.
Speaker 6: But they were just a concentration of family that lived
Speaker 6: in this land, you know, and you know, several of
Speaker 6: them had either you know, sightings of this creature or
Speaker 6: you know, some sort of non interaction but activity on
Speaker 6: their property. Now we go back to those folks, you know,
Speaker 6: Alex Petakov from Small Town Monsters went out there a
Speaker 6: few years later after I had almost ten years later
Speaker 6: than when I was out there, and to the same family,
Speaker 6: and they still had activity going on. He actually documented
Speaker 6: UFO activity out there. Now I don't ever like to
Speaker 6: lump my phenomena together. I just don't see it value
Speaker 6: to it. But he got something on video out there
Speaker 6: of some sort of unexplained flying object, you know, or
Speaker 6: whatever you want to call it. But that area is
Speaker 6: just a very strange area. And these this family had
Speaker 6: ongoing experiences. They found footprints near windows of their homes,
Speaker 6: so obviously there's a curiosity element to it there. But
Speaker 6: there was nothing really aside from that, you know, Like
Speaker 6: I said, glimpse of something I saw through the lightning that,
Speaker 6: you know, always makes me question whether I saw something
Speaker 6: there or not. It was still a very interesting place
Speaker 6: to go, very creepy. But now we go back to
Speaker 6: I told you about that lady whose dog you know,
Speaker 6: ran to the edge of her deck and she saw
Speaker 6: that creature rummaging through her garbage. And I used the
Speaker 6: term creature entity. I apologize. I know some folks don't
Speaker 6: like that, but we don't know what it is for sure,
Speaker 6: so I just like to use generic terms. But she
Speaker 6: would have she had this really high window off her
Speaker 6: kitchen and she would leave bake goods out there to cool,
Speaker 6: and it was up like eight to nine feet up
Speaker 6: in the air, and something would occasionally take the bake
Speaker 6: goods off that window and you would never hear see
Speaker 6: what it was. We found those big, gloppy, pancake like
Speaker 6: poops all around her property. Now, what was also interesting, guys,
Speaker 6: is that her husband was blind, and he would feel
Speaker 6: something different every so often when they were out there,
Speaker 6: like somebody else was out there with them, if they'd
Speaker 6: be sitting out by the campfire or you know, sitting
Speaker 6: out there at the house by themselves during the day.
Speaker 6: And their daughter had come to visit one night and
Speaker 6: as she's coming down the driveway, something leaped across the
Speaker 6: hood of her car and left some what it looked
Speaker 6: like hairstriations and a dent on her car. And I
Speaker 6: didn't get to see those. My research partner at the time,
Speaker 6: Ernie Delp, took photos of those. And that's the first
Speaker 6: time the daughter had ever reported anything to her parents
Speaker 6: of having an experience there. But the parents, the couple,
Speaker 6: they lived out the old growth forces of Pennsylvania, out
Speaker 6: in the Cook's Forest. I mean, there's trees in Pennsylvania
Speaker 6: out there that are so big you can't put your
Speaker 6: arms around them.
Speaker 4: They're so huge.
Speaker 6: It's an old you know, Virgin Forest hasn't been really
Speaker 6: decimated by humanity yet. And these folks lived out there
Speaker 6: all year and it's kind of like a resortish type
Speaker 6: area where folks are only out there, you know, like
Speaker 6: through the late spring into the early fall. They live
Speaker 6: out there all year round. So they're having these experiences
Speaker 6: and you know, they didn't know, you know, who to
Speaker 6: talk to. So we had had a town hall meeting
Speaker 6: out there at the Over the Mountain restaurant, and they
Speaker 6: had come and got our information. They didn't attend the meeting,
Speaker 6: but they called us a few days later and we
Speaker 6: went up and met them, and they were the most sincere,
Speaker 6: credible people. She was a nurse, he was a retired
Speaker 6: school teacher for Brooklyn. Like, these folks had no reason
Speaker 6: to lie or make this stuff up. They're not seeking
Speaker 6: any kind of notoriety. They didn't try to be on
Speaker 6: you know, they didn't try to be on the show
Speaker 6: Finding Big Foart or anything like that. They're just people
Speaker 6: out there trying to make sense of some of the
Speaker 6: things they were trying to experience. And you know, unfortunately
Speaker 6: he the husband has passed away and the wife has
Speaker 6: now moved back to you know, North Carolina with her family,
Speaker 6: but she had encounters going on out there all the
Speaker 6: way up until when she left, of you know, just
Speaker 6: strange things that would happen around her property.
Speaker 2: Now, you briefly mentioned that you might have caught a
Speaker 2: glimpse of something in a lightning flash at some point
Speaker 2: during one of these investigations. That is not the sighting
Speaker 2: you had, or is that the sighting.
Speaker 6: You No, that's not the sighting we had. Edge So
Speaker 6: the sighting that we had, Cliff was it was myself,
Speaker 6: my one of my best friends, right Hendershot, he's like
Speaker 6: a brother, and my you know, another good friend, Dustin Kinley.
Speaker 6: We were out there in the clear field up on
Speaker 6: Rockton Mountain. It was about the end of September, September
Speaker 6: twenty have in twenty twelve. We went out there with
Speaker 6: Eric Altman, Dave Rupert, Ryan Cavalen. We were out there
Speaker 6: to set up for an outing we were going to
Speaker 6: have with the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society that weekend in that
Speaker 6: coming week and there is this area that we all
Speaker 6: discovered and we called it the Meadow because it was
Speaker 6: this open clearing that was surrounded by trees. There's this
Speaker 6: little crop of trees right in the center, and we
Speaker 6: thought this would be a great area to kind of
Speaker 6: host as our base camp. But we went out and
Speaker 6: you know, traveled the gas lines and traveled the mountains
Speaker 6: of the Clearfield area because historically, and that's one of
Speaker 6: our most active areas in Pennsylvania, that whole you know,
Speaker 6: rock and mountain Clearfield County area. There's hundreds of reports
Speaker 6: that have happened there over the years. And in twenty twelve, well,
Speaker 6: I'll step back a minute. At the beginning of twenty twelve,
Speaker 6: we had two reports that came in on New Year's
Speaker 6: Eve of husband and wife, two sets of husband and wives.
Speaker 6: They were traveling down US three twenty two, close to
Speaker 6: the midnight time on New Year's and they had both
Speaker 6: seen about forty five minutes apart, a creature crossing the
Speaker 6: road or loitering along the road. And what was interesting
Speaker 6: is they both described that this creature had was like
Speaker 6: completely dark except for the bottom of the feet was
Speaker 6: like a whitish color like. They remarked about how light
Speaker 6: the colors of the feet were. And these folks had
Speaker 6: never met each other. We brought them together. You know,
Speaker 6: just to kind of validate that these folks hadn't met
Speaker 6: each other before. No matter how good of an actor,
Speaker 6: you know, you can't hide the fact if you know somebody,
Speaker 6: or you just can't. There's always something that's going to
Speaker 6: give away. These folks had never met each other. They
Speaker 6: just happened to be on the same road about forty
Speaker 6: five minutes apart, and they both reported the sightings into us.
Speaker 6: So that's what kind of took us to the Clearfield
Speaker 6: area again because it started to get hot. We did
Speaker 6: that town hall meeting a little while later, and we
Speaker 6: started getting a lot more reports coming in from people.
Speaker 6: So we decided we're going to continue to explore this area.
Speaker 6: So I it's about an hour and a half two
Speaker 6: hours from where I live. We would go almost every
Speaker 6: other weekend back and forth to Clearfield for that year,
Speaker 6: Ray and I and just kind of checking it out,
Speaker 6: see what's going on, see if we're getting any other reports.
Speaker 6: And we'd get some maybe faint vocalizations here and there,
Speaker 6: but we never had anything dramatic happen. But we thought,
Speaker 6: you know what, we're still going to give it the
Speaker 6: old you know, we're going to keep at it. Well,
Speaker 6: we went out there with the PBS. We decided we're
Speaker 6: going to put together an outing in that area, So
Speaker 6: we get the area prepped. Dave and Ryan and Eric
Speaker 6: are putting up game cameras, Ray and Dustin and I
Speaker 6: are getting our camp site set up because Dustin, Ray
Speaker 6: and I are going to stay there, Eric and then
Speaker 6: we're going to leave and they're going to come back
Speaker 6: either the next day or the day after. We were
Speaker 6: going to stay out there for a couple of days
Speaker 6: ahead of time, just see if we can kind of
Speaker 6: get anything going on, or you know, just get everything
Speaker 6: set up. At about a quarter and nine, we're sitting
Speaker 6: there at the campfire that we had started and I
Speaker 6: see something through my peripheral cut through our campsite and
Speaker 6: just hall ass through the woods. As soon as I
Speaker 6: seen it, I shot up out of my chair. Dustin
Speaker 6: shoots up out of his chair, and we both just
Speaker 6: start running to the forest edge and you could start
Speaker 6: you can still hear whatever this is taken off. It
Speaker 6: was large. It was lightish tan colored, but it moved
Speaker 6: like an NBA player, man Like I've never seen anything
Speaker 6: so large move so fast in my life. And it
Speaker 6: moved and people don't believe it moved like a sloth,
Speaker 6: like it just glided as I've never seen something move
Speaker 6: so gracefully and so fast in my life. And I
Speaker 6: looked at Dustin, and Dustin goes, did you see I'm like, well,
Speaker 6: we saw something, because here we are standing into the
Speaker 6: woods like a couple of idiots. What you know, what
Speaker 6: the hell's going on? And so we're sitting there and
Speaker 6: then Ray's like, what's going on, guys, Like we just
Speaker 6: saw something? Like all, what the hell this is? So
Speaker 6: we're kind of like really excited now, like oh my god,
Speaker 6: like what did we just have a sighting? Like what
Speaker 6: the hell is this? So we sit there for a
Speaker 6: while longer, seeing if we can hear anything or you know,
Speaker 6: anything going on, And as the excitement dies down, we're like, Okay,
Speaker 6: well we're going to get up really early in the
Speaker 6: morning and we're going to see if we can go
Speaker 6: out and do some you know, walking around, see if
Speaker 6: we're gonna listen some responses. We're going to get a
Speaker 6: few hours of sleep and then get out there really
Speaker 6: early in the morning. So we put the fire out,
Speaker 6: we get into the tent, and we're laying there and
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, probably an hour hour and a
Speaker 6: half later, I hear something walking around our campsite. Now
Speaker 6: I can tell the difference between something bipedally walking and
Speaker 6: something on you know, four legs trampling around the campsite.
Speaker 6: And I'm just laying there and you can hear something
Speaker 6: just walking through the meadow like around our campsite, And
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, I see this little light turn
Speaker 6: on and I see Dustin's sleeping bag. Dust It's like,
Speaker 6: you hear that. I'm like, I hear that. What the
Speaker 6: hell's going on? He goes, let's go out and take
Speaker 6: a look. Well, all of a sudden, we start seeing
Speaker 6: this faint orange glow outside our tent. So Dustin gets
Speaker 6: his boots on and jumps out. I'm getting my boots on,
Speaker 6: and he yells, fork Er, throw me my gun. So,
Speaker 6: you know, me being the epitome of gun safety, I
Speaker 6: throw him his gun. And something had moved the logs
Speaker 6: back onto the fire and the fire starting to rekindle itself.
Speaker 6: We took the logs off the fire. As I go
Speaker 6: to get out of the tent, Dustin goes, Forker, look,
Speaker 6: and I said, look, there's this same colored thing that
Speaker 6: we had saw earlier running up the little hillside and
Speaker 6: you can hear it take off like a bat out
Speaker 6: of hell around the like it's like circling our camp.
Speaker 6: So we start yelling at it, Hey, if you're somebody
Speaker 6: out here messing with us, stop it, you know, you know,
Speaker 6: identify yourself, you know, if you're messing up with us.
Speaker 6: This isn't cool, like, you know, because at first we
Speaker 6: thought it was somebody just messing with us now right like,
Speaker 6: and it wasn't heating our warning. And I'm freaked out.
Speaker 6: So I run to the center of this meadow because
Speaker 6: it's the only place we have any cell phone service,
Speaker 6: and I give a call to Eric. Can't get Eric,
Speaker 6: so I called Dave Rupert's wife, Carrie, and I said, Carrie,
Speaker 6: we've got something going on out here. Can you get
Speaker 6: a hold of Dave and see if Dave and come back,
Speaker 6: because we're not really comfortable being out here by ourselves
Speaker 6: right now. She's like, Okay, we'll see if we can
Speaker 6: get see if I can get Dave back there. So
Speaker 6: we're sitting there kind of the three of us, back
Speaker 6: to back, looking at this, you know, trying to cover
Speaker 6: as much area as we can with our eyes, what's
Speaker 6: going on, and you know, we can kind of hear movement,
Speaker 6: and we're still yelling for this thing to identify itself. Well,
Speaker 6: we're there for a while and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: we start seeing these two flashlights start, you know, coming
Speaker 6: to us really quick, and it's Ryan and Dave. They
Speaker 6: had managed to stop off at the bar at on
Speaker 6: three twenty two is they're about thirty minutes away from us,
Speaker 6: and they managed to get back to us, and you know,
Speaker 6: they say to us for a while, and I really
Speaker 6: didn't want to be out there by ourselves anymore. But
Speaker 6: Dave's like, you know, guys, you're out here. We're trying
Speaker 6: to get evidence. We're trying to get proof. We'll sit
Speaker 6: out here with you a little bit, but this is
Speaker 6: why we're out here. You guys can do this. Come on,
Speaker 6: let's go. You know, Dave can really build you up.
Speaker 6: And they kind of bib whacked in these trees and
Speaker 6: we kind of went back into what we were doing. Well,
Speaker 6: they're out there for about an hour or so with us,
Speaker 6: and nothing's going on, right, everything quiets down and they
Speaker 6: radio into us, Hey, guys, we think you're fine out
Speaker 6: here tonight we're going to go ahead and take off.
Speaker 6: We'll be back in the morning. We'll see you later.
Speaker 6: So they take off and we're kind of out there.
Speaker 6: Of course, you know, we're not going to go back
Speaker 6: to sleep. We're just kind of sitting there and just
Speaker 6: hanging out. All of a sudden, we start hearing the
Speaker 6: foot falls again.
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Speaker 6: And I'm like, Okay, now, this has to be somebody
Speaker 6: messing with us, because now they're back and they're like,
Speaker 6: and we see this figure kind of like watching us
Speaker 6: from the tree line because we've got the light from
Speaker 6: the moon coming in. And I said, Dustin, I said,
Speaker 6: point your gun at it. I'm going to start yelling
Speaker 6: at this thing again. So Dustin points is gun at it,
Speaker 6: and it's not listening. I said, Dustin, just start shooting it.
Speaker 6: Shoot it now, kill it, just shoot it. And it's
Speaker 6: not phased by this, and so I'm like, what the
Speaker 6: hell are we going to do? Like I'm really freaked out. Now,
Speaker 6: this is a person. They have to be really deranged
Speaker 6: to be here now because we've got a gun on
Speaker 6: them and they're still not and so, you know, the
Speaker 6: only thing we could do is, you know, we all
Speaker 6: kind of grouped together and we charged at it. And
Speaker 6: as we charged at it, it took off like a
Speaker 6: bat out of hell. Like it just sounded like a
Speaker 6: bulldozer going through the woods. And I don't know what
Speaker 6: it was. I don't know what it was. It scared
Speaker 6: the hell out of us, just like that feeling of
Speaker 6: it not going away when we were threatening to harm it,
Speaker 6: when it came back, it kept coming back. It just
Speaker 6: it scared the hell out of me.
Speaker 4: Guys.
Speaker 6: I don't know what it wanted. The fact that it
Speaker 6: was smart enough to put the logs back on the
Speaker 6: fire and get the fire going again was just blew
Speaker 6: my mind. And we're just sitting out here, three guys,
Speaker 6: three idiots, in the kind of like, what what the
Speaker 6: hell we're going to do? So as daylight broke, we
Speaker 6: threw everything into these rubber made totes we brought in,
Speaker 6: and we hauled ass out of that campsite and I
Speaker 6: got back to my van and I drove out. I
Speaker 6: called Eric, I said, listen, we're going home. I'm done
Speaker 6: with this. I don't want to do this anymore. I
Speaker 6: called my wife. I said, I'm coming home early. I'm
Speaker 6: just done, and I went and you know, we drove
Speaker 6: home to two hours to go back home. I said
Speaker 6: to Dave, you know, you guys might want to check
Speaker 6: the uh, you might want to check the game cameras,
Speaker 6: because I saw a flash go off and I thought that,
Speaker 6: you know, maybe something was out in the game cameras.
Speaker 6: And he say, Sean, he goes, there's no flash on
Speaker 6: those cameras, and I'm like, what the hell? Like, you know,
Speaker 6: that adds one more strange element to it, right, And
Speaker 6: that was our experience. It's guys, it scared the hell
Speaker 6: out of me. I didn't want to do this anymore
Speaker 6: after that was it. It was large, but it was
Speaker 6: probably about six and a half seven feet tall, which
Speaker 6: you know, I'm five foot six so on a good
Speaker 6: day with shoes on, so significantly bigger than me. And
Speaker 6: it just moved the way it moved, Bobo was just
Speaker 6: so damn like a like a sloth, like I said,
Speaker 6: like a just glided like it moved so quick. Just
Speaker 6: the way it flowed. It was just incredible.
Speaker 5: Well, you said, I kind of shocked. You said it
Speaker 5: was smooth, and uh, you know, like grasheld like a sloth.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like if you've seen sloths when they move, they
Speaker 6: like have like this elegance to them that they're so slow.
Speaker 6: But this thing had that elegance, but fast, like incredibly fast. Wow.
Speaker 2: I see that it was an ongoing thing that kept coming.
Speaker 2: That's like that, That's what horror movies are made out.
Speaker 6: Of, right, And like we're out there, there's only the
Speaker 6: three of us out there. We have a handgun, and
Speaker 6: it's you know, it wouldn't go away. Like the longest time,
Speaker 6: I just thought it was somebody out there messing with us, Like,
Speaker 6: but you know, we had it. If you're a person
Speaker 6: and you have three guys and they have a handgun
Speaker 6: pointed you, don't you think at some point you'd give
Speaker 6: up on the gag and say, hey, okay, you know,
Speaker 6: you know, don't kill me. I'm just out here messing
Speaker 6: with you, like unless you're really deranged. But it still
Speaker 6: doesn't match up to some of the other, you know,
Speaker 6: attributes that happened, and like it was just so bizarre,
Speaker 6: Like to this day, I kind of felt silly because
Speaker 6: you know how quickly I wanted to just abandon all
Speaker 6: this and let it go like I didn't want to
Speaker 6: go out in the woods for a while. I was
Speaker 6: just messed me up. Because I'll tell you the other
Speaker 6: component of it is, I've been a researcher for so long.
Speaker 6: I felt like I was losing my objectivity. Like it
Speaker 6: really it messed me up from that perspective, like, and
Speaker 6: I think that's why I kind of I just wanted
Speaker 6: to quit for a while. Like, you know, maybe now
Speaker 6: if I wasn't out there with Ray and Dustin, who
Speaker 6: would validate the same thing I would, I would probably
Speaker 6: feel still a lot worse about it, like, probably still
Speaker 6: more messed up about it. But the fact I was
Speaker 6: able to share that experience with them like makes me
Speaker 6: feel a little better. But none of us still feel
Speaker 6: good about it.
Speaker 2: What would you have done now that looking back upon it,
Speaker 2: because we're all big footers, we've all made make mistakes
Speaker 2: in the woods, and I can't. Every time I go out,
Speaker 2: I kind of look back and say, oh, shoot, I
Speaker 2: should have done this instead. So I know there's things
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 6: When we all get together in person next time, you
Speaker 6: can punch me in the face. Because I had a
Speaker 6: sony handicam with night vision in the tent that we
Speaker 6: never grab once.
Speaker 2: How cool would that be to have that recording even
Speaker 2: if you didn't get it on tape, if the animal
Speaker 2: or whatever, but you just like everybody's reaction and as
Speaker 2: it unfolded, I'd be really rad.
Speaker 6: Right, But now, you know, I think about that when
Speaker 6: you know, think about our witnesses and everybody's like, well,
Speaker 6: we have these cell phones and all this other stuff
Speaker 6: available to us at our fingertip. Okay, well, you're experiencing
Speaker 6: something that's really traumatic and you're expecting somebody's first thought
Speaker 6: to be, oh, hey, let's grab a camera or you know,
Speaker 6: turn your phone on, and so you get this. You know,
Speaker 6: as someone who experienced this type of thing. The last
Speaker 6: thing I was thinking about that Actually, it's not something
Speaker 6: I ever thought about. Cliff was trying to get it
Speaker 6: on camera. Now, in hindsight, you know, I'm thinking like,
Speaker 6: oh man, that would have been great if we would
Speaker 6: have you know, had the sense of, you know, going
Speaker 6: to get that determament. We never thought about it. We
Speaker 6: never thought about it.
Speaker 2: Talk about full circle because now you're doing things on
Speaker 2: camera for small town monsters.
Speaker 6: Yeah, which you know that took a little bit of going.
Speaker 6: I've done several things for Seth and the crew over
Speaker 6: the years, like as a talking head, but I've never,
Speaker 6: you know, gone out and been a feature of any
Speaker 6: of their programs. And guys, look, I'm I'm There's nothing
Speaker 6: special about what I do. I'm a low tech you know.
Speaker 6: I kind of use my own senses, in my own
Speaker 6: logic to go about doing my investigations. But I'm really
Speaker 6: passionate about what I do. I love Pennsylvania. I love
Speaker 6: being able to showcase this state and its wonders to people.
Speaker 6: And they wanted to go and do a it's called
Speaker 6: Investigation Bigfoot. I think it's a four or five episode
Speaker 6: mini series that we're doing, and I'm showing people, you know,
Speaker 6: some of the areas where there's been bigfoot encounters, there's
Speaker 6: been the historical sightings, and then I actually take you
Speaker 6: guys all to the place I had my encounter in
Speaker 6: my sighting, and I relived the story for you there.
Speaker 6: I bring other witnesses and introduce you to other people
Speaker 6: I've met and investigated with over the years. So and
Speaker 6: I'm teaching Aaron Deese, you know, the gentleman who's kind
Speaker 6: of also the subject of the documentary, teaching them a
Speaker 6: little bit about how you research, and so that story
Speaker 6: is really interesting in itself, and I'm just really, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm proud they were able to ask me to be
Speaker 6: a part of it, because, like I told you, Cliff,
Speaker 6: I'm like the worst promoted Bigfoot. And I do that
Speaker 6: on purpose because I just like being able to do
Speaker 6: my stuff and fly under the radar. But no, I'm
Speaker 6: glad to be able to share it. It was a
Speaker 6: lot of fun because there's some interesting things that happened
Speaker 6: out there, and you know, I don't know, and maybe
Speaker 6: you guys have run into it too. For some reason,
Speaker 6: I think people think there's some sort of magic element
Speaker 6: to getting bigfoot or attracting a big foot, and like
Speaker 6: everybody's you know, I'm sorry, Bigfoot's not knocking on my
Speaker 6: back door asking for garlic every day, right, It's I've
Speaker 6: been doing this for over thirty years and I have
Speaker 6: a handful of experiences that I can say that might
Speaker 6: be bigfoot. Right. I get really concerned when there's people
Speaker 6: that have done it for far less time that have
Speaker 6: encounters all the time. Yeah, I can't quantify that well,
Speaker 6: but how many times have you had an experience doing this?
Speaker 6: And like but somehow, you know, we're all, we're all
Speaker 6: been doing this investigation for a long time, but there
Speaker 6: are people that just seem to be these these quote
Speaker 6: unquote bigfoot beacons, like they're less magnets for it. I
Speaker 6: have a hard time with that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, you can get you get
Speaker 5: into I mean, I know, feel like you get into
Speaker 5: like this groove where you like you're just getting lucky,
Speaker 5: like when you're going out, you know, but then you
Speaker 5: might have that go on for like answer even a
Speaker 5: couple of years kind of, and then you just go
Speaker 5: you're gonna have eventually have a good long dry run.
Speaker 6: Right, And sometimes it's years where you get nothing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would like a year and a half without
Speaker 5: having anything definitive happen.
Speaker 6: Right. Well, we're kind of going through that right now, Bobo. Well,
Speaker 6: I would say probably up until this summer, we had
Speaker 6: a very slow kind of year and a half. We
Speaker 6: weren't even getting an investment. We weren't even getting a report
Speaker 6: coming in. And then all of a sudden we started
Speaker 6: getting you know, three or four reports coming in. And
Speaker 6: then Matt Arner met my research partner. He and I
Speaker 6: researched the Northern Tier Pennsylvania through the Allegheny Plateau, and
Speaker 6: we spent a lot of time up in like up
Speaker 6: in the northern part of the state, Potter County, Bradford County,
Speaker 6: Clearfield Elk and there's a huge elk population up there.
Speaker 6: And you know, one of the things, we don't have
Speaker 6: the really really high mountains like you guys have out
Speaker 6: in the PNW. Know, I think our largest mountain here
Speaker 6: is three thousand feet in Pennsylvania. But we had just
Speaker 6: been talking to an older gentleman who came to one
Speaker 6: of our little presentations and after we were done, he
Speaker 6: came up to it. No, he came up to us before.
Speaker 6: He didn't stick around for the presentation, and he told
Speaker 6: us about this area where he's been having encounters, not encounters,
Speaker 6: but he found footprints. I'm sorry, but what was really
Speaker 6: strange about this area is like after like fourteen hundred feet,
Speaker 6: if you go above that, there's no animal activity whatsoever.
Speaker 6: And so Matt and I are going up in the
Speaker 6: mountains that night to do some research. And he wasn't kidding.
Speaker 6: For some reason, you go above that area. We went
Speaker 6: up to like twenty two hundred feet. There's nothing up there,
Speaker 6: No coyotes, no porky pine, no nothing up there. And
Speaker 6: then we start settling down and going under that like
Speaker 6: that thirteen fifty feet and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: here's all the deer, here's all the like we stumbled
Speaker 6: up on a field. There's like sixty deer in this field.
Speaker 6: But why aren't they going up above that elevation? Like
Speaker 6: what's up there that's stopping them from going up that high?
Speaker 6: Because I thought, you know, maybe this is an old timer.
Speaker 6: You know, he's got a lot of observations going on.
Speaker 6: Let's see if we could validate this, and Barbo sure enough,
Speaker 6: like this is the real deal, Like something's got to
Speaker 6: be going on up there to stop this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, you've been doing this for so long, and
Speaker 2: and you know you're amongst veterans here, like all of
Speaker 2: us have been doing it for decades at this point
Speaker 2: in the game. Is there ever a time or have
Speaker 2: you experienced besides after you had your observation and you
Speaker 2: said you almost bailed on this whole thing, do ever
Speaker 2: get tired of it or anything like that? Or is
Speaker 2: this or is it just like this ever giving fountain
Speaker 2: of youth for you that keeps you going?
Speaker 6: I feel like every time I want to give up,
Speaker 6: something happens that kind of reinvigorates it. Like there are
Speaker 6: moments I'm like, well, it's not really interesting right now,
Speaker 6: I'll kind of keep my ear on what's going on
Speaker 6: to see and probably up to a couple of years ago,
Speaker 6: a couple of years ago, I was like, you know,
Speaker 6: this is starting to get a little dry. I wonder,
Speaker 6: you know, is it really worth pursuing it. And then
Speaker 6: Matt came to me with some information he found up north,
Speaker 6: and we start hitting that area pretty significantly, and just
Speaker 6: getting out there again and being really active in the
Speaker 6: actual investigating and the research kind of you know, brought
Speaker 6: the life back into it.
Speaker 4: To me.
Speaker 6: I get I'm not a scientist by any means, and
Speaker 6: I'll never be the smartest guy in the room, but
Speaker 6: I'm a pretty smart guy, and I just after a while,
Speaker 6: like I lose interest in things if there's nothing to
Speaker 6: kind of cultivate it. And like we've gone years without
Speaker 6: really good videos, We've gone years without really good evidence
Speaker 6: and proof, and it's like, what's it going to take
Speaker 6: to really get some real legitimacy behind what we're doing
Speaker 6: and people to kind of take it serious, and we
Speaker 6: get more scientific minds involved that might be able to
Speaker 6: help kind of cultivate some interest or teach us something
Speaker 6: new that maybe we're missing that we could be using
Speaker 6: in our research. And you know, just you know, getting
Speaker 6: out in the woods and just being out there and
Speaker 6: that kind of reinvigorated it for me. So I don't know,
Speaker 6: I kind of go back and forth, Cliff. I like,
Speaker 6: there have been times I've wanted to just like leave it,
Speaker 6: but then it's still unsolved, and I don't like to
Speaker 6: leave something unfinished. I think that's the big thing. Like
Speaker 6: I'll never be the guy that prove it, but damn,
Speaker 6: I really want to be a part of the journey
Speaker 6: to do it. But you know, still, it's one hell
Speaker 6: of a ride. It's a lot of fun. There's nights
Speaker 6: out there where you get some great stuff and you
Speaker 6: come off of you know, you get one of the
Speaker 6: best ties of your life. And then there's other nights
Speaker 6: where it's you know, boring, and you're like, God, I
Speaker 6: can't believe I spend hours out here for nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it takes a special kind of person to keep
Speaker 2: on doing this for as long as you have been
Speaker 2: so right.
Speaker 6: But you know, I'm also a little insane, so it
Speaker 6: doesn't really can't hurt or it doesn't hurt. So what
Speaker 6: is the future. What's the future hold for you? I
Speaker 6: know you mentioned about maybe a possible book in the future.
Speaker 6: What else is going on? Like and then what do
Speaker 6: you see in the next two or three, four or
Speaker 6: five years? All right? Well, I'm working more with Small
Speaker 6: Town Monsters A they just released the ten year anniversary book.
Speaker 6: I have an essay in there I wrote I call
Speaker 6: myself their unofficial cheerleader in chief, and I've you know,
Speaker 6: kickstarted every single one of their projects. I've been a
Speaker 6: part of small Town Monster even sell merch at the
Speaker 6: conferences form when they needed an extra hand. I just
Speaker 6: love those guys. They're great people. I love spending time
Speaker 6: with them, and so I like doing you know, I
Speaker 6: probably do some more of that, and then, you know,
Speaker 6: I got a book coming out. Matt Arner and I
Speaker 6: are writing a book tentatively called Elusive Truth, which is
Speaker 6: kind of biographical but kind of case file. So it's
Speaker 6: going to be an interesting type of book.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: It's by all means not going to be the phenomenal
Speaker 6: Sasquatch or Sasquatch the apes among us. But I think
Speaker 6: it's going to be a fun book. I think if
Speaker 6: anything I want people to get from it is, you know,
Speaker 6: the research we've done and the background that we have,
Speaker 6: and I just want them to be able to hear
Speaker 6: it in my voice and be able to understand that
Speaker 6: there's passion, dedication, but a lot of fun that's gone
Speaker 6: into this. And you know, we've met some great people
Speaker 6: and some crazy people along the way. Like it's going
Speaker 6: to be a different type of book for sure, And
Speaker 6: I'm going to keep doing this. I'm starting to do
Speaker 6: more more lectures. I do a lot of speaking engagements
Speaker 6: for like Lions clubs and small organizations that you know,
Speaker 6: when they have some sort of charitable situation behind him,
Speaker 6: I like to be a part of that. Again, guys,
Speaker 6: I'm not the guy that likes to speak up in
Speaker 6: front of large group. I mean, I do it for
Speaker 6: a living, I don't, you know, as a hobby. It's okay,
Speaker 6: but that's not why I join this field. I joined
Speaker 6: the field to be out and doing it and being involved.
Speaker 6: But if there's something that's going to get a benefit
Speaker 6: out of it, I'll do us speaking engagement or so forth.
Speaker 6: I got to get better at it, you know, I
Speaker 6: don't know. I just don't like the limelight to be
Speaker 6: on me. I'd rather have it beyond my cool friends
Speaker 6: and work behind the scenes. I like that stuff a
Speaker 6: lot more.
Speaker 2: It sounds like I'm going to be very, very busy
Speaker 2: for the foreseeable future. Then, you know, we're kind of
Speaker 2: coming to the end of the hour here, so one
Speaker 2: or one more time plug the small Town Monster series
Speaker 2: so that I'm sure, Matt you'll probably put it in
Speaker 2: the show notes, I assume.
Speaker 3: So, yes, you can click the link in the show
Speaker 3: notes and go to the first episode in that series.
Speaker 3: And usually with small Town Monsters, they'll create a playlist,
Speaker 3: so as new episodes in that series roll out, I'm
Speaker 3: sure there'll be a playlist that'll have all those in
Speaker 3: one place.
Speaker 2: Another reason to subscribe to Small Town Monsters, as if
Speaker 2: you needed one, right, all right, well, you know, Sean,
Speaker 2: if you can, we'd love to continue this conversation on
Speaker 2: the member side of things, because we do a member
Speaker 2: episode every comes out every Thursday for our members, who
Speaker 2: we affectionately call pigeons of course, So yeah, this will
Speaker 2: be on Monday, but the members episodeill come on Thursday.
Speaker 2: We can continue the conversation over there. Any last minute
Speaker 2: thoughts bobs before we close out the episode.
Speaker 5: Now that's going to say thanks to the fork Shot
Speaker 5: for coming in the Voice of Reason. So yeah, I
Speaker 5: appreciate it them.
Speaker 4: Check it out.
Speaker 5: He's got a cool podcast Sasquatch Experience, Big for An Experience, Sasquatch.
Speaker 6: Experience, sas Waders Spirit Bow Correct.
Speaker 4: Yeah, saswas Experience Experience. Folks.
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