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What's up, dude, Welcome to the show. Thank you for

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being here, Thanks for having me. Can you tell the

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people a little bit about you, what you do, what

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your channel is, where they can find you, and yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sure, I am a science communicator. The main thing I

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work on it's a YouTube channel called Professor Dave explains.

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I've been working on it for ten years. It's primarily

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a database of academic tutorials in a wide variety of

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subjects to help high school and undergrad students get through

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their classes. But for five or six years now, I've

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been also doing a lot of debunking content. So I

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like to take things that are in the cultural mealu,

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so to speak, things that people are talking about that

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they fall forward, whether it's just a cultural trend, or

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it's the result of specific malicious, bad faith actors that

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are spewing lies about science and so forth. I address

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those and combat those and dissect them, figuring figure out

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why people are repeating these things, who is responsible, and

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try to try to debunk and expose them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and in specific, we're gonna be talking about flat

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earth because I don't know if you caught the tone

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as to I didn't think you were gonna write back,

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to be honest, so I shot you a DM and

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I don't know if you caught the tone. But I

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was kind of annoyed because I was arguing with somebody

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online about the flat Earth, and you know, I was

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kind of like, hello, mister Dave, you know, like this

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guy's never gonna write back to me. And then you did,

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and I was like, all right, well, what do I

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do now? But we're gonna be talking about flat earth.

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And this is a polarizing topic because again, like I

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told you, I'm in the truther or community where if

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you care about the truth with the capital T, then

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you need to believe in flat earth. And the more

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I dive into things, the more I'm realizing that peep,

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some people are actually retarded.

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Speaker 4: And like they operate.

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Speaker 3: And the thing is, by me talking about certain things,

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I am legitimately and I'm starting to realize this the

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more going, I am legitimately contributing to some people's mental

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health issues. Like some people are legitimately sick, and they

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like to sit in these echo chambers. So when you

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Speaker 3: I mean you've I've had my life threatened over this topic.

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it that brings out this I'm gonna say it's demonic.

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what is wrong with you? Just because I say something?

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You know these words? But yeah, it is a cult.

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around a certain ideology and then someone threatens that ideology

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with reality, that person will react violently as though you

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you're indoctrinate in that line of thinking of somebody, trying.

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like you start to relate to your captors and everything,

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Speaker 3: Uh So, my first question to you is Dave, because right,

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all of your debunking stuff. I've seen most of your debates,

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and I think that you if usually these flat Earthers

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they pick on low hanging fruit when it comes to,

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debating is is kind of gay in my opinion, but

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they always want to debate, and they kind of sort

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of always pick on the low hanging fruit. I've heard

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about flatter Earth. I know about flatter Earth, right, I've

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researched it, but it's not my identity how it is

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for some people. And all these guys when they go

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at you will defend the globe that you love, right,

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and they're going to ask you questions.

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two points. And the reason I like you, Dave, is

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because you're able to Okay, you said this and this

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is why it's not that, and you give them an answer.

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especially with the whole Final Experiment thing which went off,

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which we can talk about at the end. But my

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my first question to you, David is why are you

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covering up for the illuminati lizard people and trying to

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hoard all the extra land for yourself?

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Speaker 4: And are you a fed?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? As you can see, I mean I live in

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a palace. I mean, you know, I have. I own

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a house, which is cool, but you know I'm not

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swimming in it over here. I'm not filthy rich, but

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interestingly not. My flat Earth debunks do make a good

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bit of money just because it's so funny. People love

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to watch them. That's why I keep making them. Yeah. No,

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first thing that I debunked. I didn't even intend to

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become a debunker. It's just that I was making astronomy

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tutorials and I thought it would be fun to wrap

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up the Astronomy series with a debunk of astrology and

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a debunk of flat Earth, and I kind of thought

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the astrology one would be more controversial. Honestly, I thought

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really seem to care. But then the flat Earth it

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where I honestly didn't look into anything that flat earthers say.

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and I made a video about how we know it's

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not flat, and then they attacked me and did a

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three hour live stream, and I was like, taken it back.

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on the internet. Now they do it every day in

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flat not just flat earthers. All kinds of people hate me.

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you know, forty five minute piece tearing apart their live stream,

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and I was like, wow, this is a totally different

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kind of content. I'm really good at it. People really

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like it. So I did some more flat Earth, but

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then I realized, hey, let's like apply this to other

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more pressing issues. But the flat earth one is just

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so it's just so funny. It's so funny because it's

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the single dumbest thing that any human could possibly believe,

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These characters that are like the leaders of the flat Earth.

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it's just fun for millions of people to like collectively watch,

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you know, meet clown on them and everything. So that's

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the popularity. I don't really remember exactly what the question was.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully I answered why, Yeah, while you're covering up for

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the illuminati lizard people and trying to hoard all the

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extra land for yourself, you're not a fan that covers

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out because that's the thing, right, Because part of that,

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you know, you said astronomy and astrology. I've always said

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one popular meme that I put out that gets a

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lot of engagement, and uh, people seem to just go

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off with, is it's all fake and gay right. And

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a majority of things are faking gay right, like astrology,

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flat earth and all these different things. But not everything

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is faking gay right. There is an explanation for everything.

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about about these things is some people don't like being

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told what to do or like what to believe. So

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like that that's just the way it is. And and

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even little little kids do this, right, like you don't

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don't do that, like I'm gonna do it? Why, Like

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my six year old son, and you know I can

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tell him to do something, he needs a full explanation.

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Speaker 3: You give them the full explanation and they still don't

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want to believe. Right, It's like, well then you don't

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care about the truth, right, you don't care.

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Speaker 1: No, they don't want they don't want an explanation. They're

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they're allergic to reality. Uh. It's a way for uh,

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delusional narcissists with a nearly absent cognitive ability to feel superior. Right.

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but they're also delusional narcissists, so they like to convince

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themselves that they're the smartest people alive. So when you

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have the dumbest people alive pretending to be the smartest

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is to take the entire edifice of scientific knowledge that

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has been gathered over a thousand years and go Nope,

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all fake and oh sure in the nineties colloquial sense

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of being bad, and and assert themselves above that. Right.

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They they literally think that they are neo in the matrix.

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That's not a joke. They really truly think that all

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of this is fake and I've awoken and I know

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the truth. And that's how they position as a delusional narcissist.

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That's how they position themselves above the rest of humanity

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as a coping mechanism for how ineffectual and pointless they are.

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Speaker 3: Right at this point, my problem isn't with flat Earth

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like the concept Like I get it. You know, we

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can come up with fan fiction. We can come up

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with different ideas. Right, There's there's authors who creates stories.

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Star Wars is the story Game of Thrones, the story

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that's aw cool. No one's going around talking to some people,

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are right, there's the neo defense and all the matrix defense.

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There's not people going around, you know, talking about the

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what the hell was it in game? Of thrones, the the.

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Speaker 3: They're coming from the north. What the hell where they

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the white Walkers?

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Speaker 1: White Walkers, Yeah, something like that.

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Speaker 3: Nobody's going around preaching that, right, It's like, you know,

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we know that that that it is fake. My problem

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now is probably more to do with the flat earthers

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and like the people that it attracts and their delivery,

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because one thing that annoys me the most is I'm

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I'm looking for again.

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Speaker 4: I told you, I study history, I study a a whole.

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Speaker 3: Bunch of different things, and I can I literally talk

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about anally birthed alchemical artificial humanoid men homunculus right in alchemy.

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Speaker 3: To me, Oh hell yeah, dude, love that. Hey guys,

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I got cooked for this one too. Global warming might

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be real and the Earth might not be flat. The

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obliterated their reality. With me saying that, I go, you know,

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there's so many double double standards in all this.

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Speaker 4: It's like it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: So well, there's a prior context. Right when you make

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up some crap out off the top of your head,

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nobody has a prior context with which to react to that.

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When you talk about global warming science, deniers have been

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primed to deny that, and they've spent a lot of

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time interacting with content that primes them to deny that.

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So they have a visceral reaction because they've been trained.

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It's a Pavlovian mechanism, right, Pavlov's dogs and the bell. Right,

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all you have to do is say global warming and

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people get rabbid. Oh my god, I have somethings because

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which is so.

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Speaker 4: Can he?

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Speaker 3: So humans can't affect the weather. But but I live

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in Florida. But the illuminatius sending hurricanes out of their

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foreskin to hit us, to try and take.

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Speaker 4: The lithium or whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So.

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Speaker 3: Make it make sense that that's the That's what I'm saying.

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It's like, so, which is it? Can people affect the

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weather or can they not? It's this you're saying the

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same thing differently. We can talk about gravity, because I

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feel like that's another one that here. The next question,

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do you believe we went to the moon and why

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did NASA record over the footage? And how could they

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zoom in on the original Apollo landing site. From the ground,

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you can see it. Also, we also bounce lasers off

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the mirrors that were left up there. Yeah, we've actually

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went to the Moon. I don't know what you're talking

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about recording over anything. I don't think that's the thing.

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And we didn't lose the technology. We just don't make

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that technology anymore. We make better technology. Right, The Ford

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Model T car factory doesn't exist anymore, doesn't mean it's

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impossible to make a Ford Model T. Just means the

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factory's not there. We have much better rockets now and

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we're going to I mean, countries have sent crafts to

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the Moon within the past couple of years. They were unmanned,

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but Israel, China landed landed on the Moon and within

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the decade, so the the Artemis is it called Artemis.

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I forget. There's gonna be a manned Moon mission in

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the next couple of years. So that'll be fun. If

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there's any flat earthers left to see how they I mean, well,

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fake fake fake fake g I c G I c

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g I GreenScreen greens green. I mean, it's just like

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it's just ridiculous, Like what they're doing with the final

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experiment too. Yeah. No, we we went to the moon.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I have Donald Petite here, American astronomic chemical engineer.

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I'd go to the moon in a nano second. The

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problem is that we don't have the technology to do

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that anymore. We used to, but we destroyed that technology

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and it's a painful process to build the backup. So

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I mean, yeah, sure, you know, I I believe that.

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I believe space is a real place. I don't fall

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in line with everything is c GI. I don't fall

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in line with the whole the stars and everything is

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a holographic projection system.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Don't fall in line with that. And the reason I

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say is because again space plays a role in the occult.

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you debunk this, so you don't believe in astrology. I

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don't one hundred percent believe in it. But I think

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that maybe the stars and the alignments of things do

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have a subtle influence right in cosmonic magic, it's a thing.

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It's using number again to infuse things. But again this

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is coming from a magical thinking perspective, which what do

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you think about magic? Dave magic with a k not

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stage magic with like, like, what are your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 1: That? It is not real?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 3: So the first one that they all say the like

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one of the main ones, water finds its own level,

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m because the ocean is flat, because they can zoom

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in all the way on that boat with a one

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thousand or whatever the hell it's called.

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Speaker 1: P Yeah, lots of things to say here. First of all,

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flat and level do not mean the same thing. Right,

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level means perpendicular to the vector pointing to the center

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of the earth. Right, gravity is pulling everything towards the

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center of the Earth. So level would be perpendicular to

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that vector, and that vector changes. Right, It's a sphere,

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so as you're wherever you are on the surface, that

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perpendicular that tangent that tangent plane changes. And so yeah,

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the ocean is not flat, exhibits curvature, just like the land.

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The funniest thing is that on on their on their

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magic pizza land. Water also is not flat because tides exist. Right,

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Tides are the the water. The height of the water

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changes depending on you know, whether the tide is uh

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is in or out high tide or low tide, and

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so on their flat flat plane. They just have little

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hills of water that are floating around. They hate talking

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about tides because they have no way to talk about

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it without contradicting their flat water thing. Uh. And then

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with the with the cameras, no ships clearly go beyond

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the horizon. That's why they disappear bottom up. And then

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they say, well, we can bring it back, we can

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bring No, you can't. Once it's gone past the horizon,

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you can't bring it back. You can't. So they just lie.

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They just lie.

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Speaker 4: So you told me that this map here.

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Speaker 1: Is incorrect, Dave, I don't know what the hell that is.

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Speaker 4: So this is another uh another I guess.

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Speaker 1: Oh, this is like I'm made up, like we're in

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one of these little realms and all these other So

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my question would be, who the hell made this and

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where the hell did you get this information or did

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you pull it completely out of your ass, because yes,

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you definitely did, so where are we.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to find that. So apparently what I heard

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about this is one of the popular ones. This dude

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gets millions of views on YouTube right because they always

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talk about being censored.

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Speaker 1: I think, I mean, this is adorable fiction, like it's

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a fun and you know, like you said, like.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm, I think we're here. I think that's us there,

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that's the ice wall, and then behind that is where

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all the other lands that you're hiding from us day

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that you're trying to yeah to, you know, not let

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us conquer or are behind here.

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Speaker 1: Because because there's uh so much oil and coal lium

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out there, we're spending trillions of dollars a year employing

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millions of scientists who don't do anything because geology is

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all fake and astronomy is all fake, and physics is

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all fake, and they all just go they just play

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mind sweeper all day long and get full salaries. We're

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spending all that money to hide the coal and oil

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in these other in these other lands, right makes perfect sense?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, absolutely, it makes sense to me. Du dude.

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Speaker 3: So this is one of the models I've seen. There's

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also one of my favorite ones. I think it's Crater Earth.

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I don't know if I can pull that one up.

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Crater Earth is kind of sort of similar to again

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this other sort of not make belief or fan fiction.

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Try to be as respectful as possible here today, Dave.

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You know, because these are real people. So yeah, I

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can't find it here. But anyways, there's a no one

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called Crater Earth, which is one of my favorites. The

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next one is the sun is local. It's only three

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thousand and four thousand miles away.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why they say this because they can

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see it, or because of the shadows or something or other.

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Speaker 1: We have to say, go up there, go up there,

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and go up there and get a closer look. Right

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as you ascend an altitude, it should it should get bigger.

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Speaker 3: No, and hotter, right technically and hotter?

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Speaker 1: Sure, why not hotter?

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Speaker 3: One thing I heard it was, well, this would actually

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prove against it. No, No, I think it would prove

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towards it. Folcanelli in the early I think nineteenth century,

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nineteenth century, I think early nineteen hundreds he said that

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the reason that we know something about this on others

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is because the.

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Speaker 4: I'm getting confused. No, fuck that all right.

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Speaker 3: Next one, the speed at which the Earth rotates. They

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always talk about this one because it rotates an x

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amount of miles per hour, And they always do the

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water on the ball experiment because they spin it around

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and they go there's no possible way that the water

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and us could be stuck to the ball because it's

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spinning at a way too fast of a rate ye

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to keep us on it.

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Speaker 1: So it spins once per day. That's what a day is.

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That's literally what a day is is how long it

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takes for the Earth to rotate once on its axis

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or actually that's a sidereal Daytechnically a solar day would

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be a tiny bit more than that. But yeah, they

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take the linear tangential speed at the equator because it

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makes it sound like it's going really really really fast

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spinning around. It rotates once per day. That's what a

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day is. You can calculate the centrifical force and it

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does exist, right, if it was spinning a thousand times

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a second, everything would fly off of it, that's true.

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But you can calculate the centrifical force at the equator.

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It's something like point zero three meters per second square

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as opposed to nine point eight meters per second. It's

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one two hundredth or one three hundredth of the force

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of gravity that's pulling us towards the center of the Earth.

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So they're idiots. And then the way that they do it, Oh,

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you can't make water stick to spinning ball. Things stick

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to the Earth because it's fucking huge. It generates a

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gigantic gravitational field when you take a tennis ball. First

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of all, when you wet a tennis ball and spin it,

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it's still wet, which honestly approximates the amount of water

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are on the Earth. Right. The waters are very water

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does not go very deep compared to the size of

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the Earth. But second of all, it drips off of

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the ball because it's going to the Earth because of gravity.

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Speaker 4: But it's observable. I mean, that's the whole thing, right,

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that they can.

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Speaker 1: Observe it, observe what what do you mean.

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Speaker 3: The experiment, because they can observe it themselves.

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Speaker 4: So they're there. It's it's real, that's what they know.

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Speaker 1: What they're looking at. They have no idea what they're

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even talking about. Right, They're looking for proof of gravity,

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and their desired demonstration of gravity fails because gravity exists.

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It's pulling water to the Earth because of gravity. Right,

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Nobody said that. Like they have this obsession with shape.

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They're like they think that water sticks to allegedly sticks

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to the Earth because it's a sphere. It doesn't has

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anything to do with a shape, right, It's not like

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a ball magically attracts water. It's mass, right. The Earth

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is incredibly massive, so it generates an enormous gravitational field. Now, coincidentally,

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anything large enough, like a moon or a planet, is

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going to be a sphere because that's the shape that

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that reduces the gravitational potential. Right, Everything large enough crushes

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itself into a roughly spherical shape because that's what minimizes

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the gravitational potential energy. Right, Everything's going to get crushed

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as close to the center of that object as possible.

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So that's why everything. Right, you can see asteroids that

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have weird shapes, But if you get way bigger than that,

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like at least the size of a moon, it's going

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to be a sphere because that's how gravity works, you know.

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So that's it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost reaching like a sort of equilibrium, like

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you know, that's the shape that would most equally distribute

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the gravity how you're saying, So it's coming to a mass,

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So it makes sense. Yeah, And is that what happened

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with Pluto because Pluto is not a planet anymore, right.

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Speaker 1: Pluto was demoted to a dwarf planet because of a

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few criteria, the one the main one being that in

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order to count as a planet, it has to clear

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a certain percentage of the debris within its orbit. So

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the thing is that there's there's so many trans Neptunian

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objects that are roughly similar to Pluto and size that

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if we called Pluto a planet, we would suddenly have

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have to call hundreds of other objects planets. And so

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instead of doing that, we just said Pluto's not a planet. Right,

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so people flip out. It's like, Okay, I'm sorry that

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you lost, like your favorite planet or whatever. But it

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makes more sense to say that Pluto is a dwarf planet,

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it's a trans Neptunian object, along with all of these

472
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hundreds of other rocky bodies that are way out in

473
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,440
that orbital radius, and then just say we have eight planets.

474
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So that's why that happened.

475
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Speaker 3: You know that love Craft. We love Craft had allegedly

476
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,799
predicted Pluto two or three years before they they actually

477
00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:50,839
found it with a telescope. And there's a mountain on

478
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:56,440
Pluto named Cuthulu something or other, like the tentacled octopus Monsor,

479
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:58,039
which I find really interesting.

480
00:25:58,960 --> 00:25:59,759
Speaker 4: All right, so.

481
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,799
Speaker 3: The speed of which it rotates way too fast to

482
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:10,599
keep us on here. Why can't you see the curve?

483
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,240
You know that a lot of people talk about They

484
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,319
say that they go up on airplanes and they can't

485
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,119
see the curve. And the curve that we do see

486
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,480
in pictures is fish eyed.

487
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Speaker 1: Well, so you can see the curve on the ground.

488
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,599
It's called the horizon, right, the horizon exists. That only

489
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,519
happens because of the curvature of the Earth. There's a

490
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:34,119
physical limitation to how far we can see. That goes

491
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,640
farther with elevation obviously, right the sphere, the circle of

492
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,960
you know, visible of visibility depends on your height. So

493
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,079
but you're not gonna see very pronounced curvature because the

494
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,759
Earth is so so big. Right when you're in a plane,

495
00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:56,400
you're you're like, you know, if this is the Earth,

496
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,400
you're like a millimeter above it. You're barely above it.

497
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,119
So you're not going to be expecting to see like

498
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,599
you know, those planets in le petite prints or whatever,

499
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,640
where it's like a little ball and you're standing. It's

500
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,799
not how it works, you know. But then of course

501
00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:14,359
you know satellites and stuff flat earthers just say it's

502
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,680
all fake, even though we have you know, real time

503
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,599
twenty four to seven live stream from the ISS showing everything.

504
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,960
And mm hmm, well, I mean yeah, I mean if

505
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,319
you take really sophisticated measuring technology, where our eyeballs are

506
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,720
not are not sophisticated measuring devices, right, we can't detect

507
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,680
minute discrepancies in angle and things like that with our eyes,

508
00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:41,759
but with with with with technology we can. And yeah,

509
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:45,039
there is a very very very slight curvature to the horizon,

510
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:50,319
that's true. But yeah, and then it's more pronounced with

511
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,599
elevation until you're in orbit and you're very clearly looking

512
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,920
at a sphere or especially from the moon or whatever.

513
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, because this is the one of the pictures of

514
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,920
you zoom in here you can see the buildings and everything.

515
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,759
This is one that they always talk about, I shouldn't

516
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:05,359
be able to see right this over here. And I

517
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,599
know you said something about sea level in one of

518
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,039
your videos that I found really interesting.

519
00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:12,039
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, I don't remember what.

520
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:14,599
Speaker 4: Where it's like, this is sea level, this is sea level.

521
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This is sea level. And then the reason that you can.

522
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: See, oh yeah, because there are idiots that are like, look,

523
00:28:20,759 --> 00:28:23,519
there's no change in elevation from this sea level place

524
00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:27,640
to this. Yeah, it's freaking sea level like they like

525
00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:29,759
they don't know, like flat ruthers have a hard time

526
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:34,279
separating cardinal directions and elevation, Like some of some idiots

527
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:36,720
think that like as you're going south, you're going uphill,

528
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,680
So like, how can this river flows south? That's uphill? No,

529
00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:46,000
you moron. The cardinal directions are directions are along this

530
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:49,559
along the face of the sphere. Elevation is up and

531
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,519
down away from the surface or back towards like they

532
00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:55,319
just that's how done there? But then about that picture

533
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:57,160
you just said right when you can see the buildings

534
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,319
far away? How what portion of the buildings can you see?

535
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:02,519
And which portion of the buildings can you see? Is

536
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:05,039
that only the tops of the buildings? Gee, I wonder

537
00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:09,119
why right right? Yeah, they never have an answer for that.

538
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, the tip because that would you know? So, uh,

539
00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:15,799
I think you talked about this one. Why I can

540
00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,440
use them into the boats far away? He said that

541
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,240
they never they never stay on the boat because it

542
00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:23,960
goes what is ass up and then goes over.

543
00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: Right, Well, so so what they like to do sometimes, uh,

544
00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:31,880
due to certain atmospheric conditions, a boat will become not

545
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:34,279
visible to the naked eye as you're on the shore. Right.

546
00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:38,960
Just sometimes you know, the atmosphere is such that we

547
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:40,799
lose sight of the boat, and then they use their

548
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:43,759
special camera to bring the boat back into back into vision,

549
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:46,400
which is fine, right, the camera can see farther than

550
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,440
the eyeball can. But if you if you stay zoomed

551
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,359
in and watch the boat disappear bottom up, right, when

552
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,519
once it actually goes beyond the horizon, you can't bring

553
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:58,880
it back. It's gone. It's not visible to you anymore.

554
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,519
So these idiots, it's like to take so see that

555
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:04,519
looks a little kind of foggy, right, it looks a

556
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:09,039
little like just the conditions are not optimal for viewing that.

557
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 4: Shoe sale over the curve of the earth, but.

558
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,599
Speaker 1: It does, right, So if you zoom all the way in,

559
00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:19,880
once they zoom in, they never they never watch very long, right,

560
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,759
because eventually it does disappear bottom up beyond the horizon. So, uh,

561
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,279
there's plenty of footage of that, right you can there's

562
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:29,279
somebody will zoom in all the way from the shore

563
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,079
to something that you could barely have even seen, or

564
00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:34,920
couldn't even see obviously with the naked eye. And then

565
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,400
they'll but then they'll they'll they just do that to

566
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,559
be like, look, they said, it's beyond the hurruh.

567
00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:41,519
Speaker 3: I want to remind everyone make sure to check out

568
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570
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Speaker 4: I constantly get emails. Oh only one episode a week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one episode a week for the public, but for

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579
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make sure to follow the show on YouTube Juan Juan

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Podcast also Janahuan Media. I am going live every Tuesday

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Speaker 2: My daughter Ellie had this ankle pain. We went to

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see Vhi orthopedics. They actually picked up on her fatigue issues,

608
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so they brought in a rheumatologists and just a few

609
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all tests, they realized that Ellie was sediac. So what

610
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was brilliant was that Vhi had a pediatric dietation ready

611
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to help manage her diet.

612
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Speaker 4: Uh really felt.

613
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Speaker 2: Shameless, Vhi, because your health means everything.

614
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Speaker 1: Prison Boat, now I can see it. Well, it wasn't

615
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:22,880
beyond the horizon. It just the conditions were such that

616
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,759
you couldn't see with the naked eye. But if you

617
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:27,039
zoom in all the way, it's gonna go. It's gonna

618
00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:30,279
go disappear bottom up if you stay watching it long enough.

619
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Speaker 3: You know, right on, Yeah, I know, I mean that

620
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,000
makes sense. I've never done it, so I don't. I

621
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,839
don't know, but I'm sure.

622
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: There's plenty of footage of it of them going over.

623
00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, all right, well that one.

624
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: Just YouTube boat disappearing bottom up right. I have some

625
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,480
of it in my debunks. I just speed it up

626
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:52,200
and put it in there.

627
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:57,119
Speaker 4: So yeah, bottom up right here, So.

628
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe on YouTube, you know, get the video of it.

629
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: All right, So the curvature, right, they always say this

630
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:07,400
is way too far away. There should be x amount

631
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,880
of curvature. It would be impossible for me to be

632
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,840
able to zoom in on it. Obviously they don't stay

633
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,840
on it enough. Just because it disappears from your eyeball,

634
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,280
it doesn't mean it right.

635
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,199
Speaker 1: Or they just lie, right, they take a picture from

636
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:24,199
very very high elevation and don't incorporate the higher elevation

637
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,960
into the calculation, or they just lie about what they're

638
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,960
looking at. They say it's this mountain that's supposed to

639
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,920
be two hundred miles away, but it's a different mountain

640
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,320
and that's eighty miles away, and they're just lying. Yeah,

641
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,719
all that stuff J Tolin media, right, and it's they

642
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,480
all reference that guy who just lied a bunch of

643
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,960
times and said this, I'm seeing this thing that's this

644
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,039
far away, and it's not. It's either a different object

645
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,039
or he didn't incorporate the altitude or whatever.

646
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 4: It is. One of my favorites.

647
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: Space is fake and gay, and all of NASA photography

648
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:01,000
is CGI. Right, And yeah, my whole thing with the

649
00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:05,639
celestial bodies again, Uh, directly behind me right here right

650
00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:09,000
now is a I can't see it, but I have

651
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:12,840
a huge telescope right and I've always told them, I go, hey,

652
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,119
I can see it with my eye. I can I

653
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:20,079
can see that it's there. But is it is it fake?

654
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:22,840
Is it a holographic projection? Is it a what do

655
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:23,119
they call it?

656
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 4: Illuminary?

657
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 3: Right that it's giving off this whole thing. And there's

658
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:34,440
people who do legitimate, legitimate astro is it astrophotography where

659
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:39,159
a lot of these pictures are not put out by NASA,

660
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:42,079
Like these are people who have the right equipment right

661
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:42,960
and and the way.

662
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,599
Speaker 1: It's incredible what amateur telescopes can do these days.

663
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 4: One hundred percent, dude.

664
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Speaker 3: I've seen some beautiful, beautiful shots as to you know,

665
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,679
this whole astrol photography.

666
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:52,639
Speaker 4: And it's real.

667
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:54,559
Speaker 3: I've seen nebulaus, I've seen all that. I don't have

668
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:57,519
like a crazy you know, camera setup. I can't take

669
00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:01,039
these the pictures these people take, but it's possible.

670
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:04,599
Speaker 1: Especially can see planets and the moon. Anyone who looks

671
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:06,880
at the moon, like I've looked at the Moon at

672
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,360
Mount Wilson Observatory and it's like looking at Google Earth.

673
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:13,239
Like the level of detail of like the craters and

674
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,199
all the like, you know, it's it's amazing.

675
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they have because you're closer ice, you said,

676
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,840
on a mount so you're up on a mountain.

677
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's just a much more powerful telescope, right,

678
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:25,320
it was. It was the most powerful telescope in the

679
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,280
world one hundred years ago. So now it's not like

680
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,320
that impressive, but it's it's as far as what like,

681
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:36,360
we can't get access to high tech observatories as civilians, right,

682
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,800
we can, but we can we can go to this

683
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,320
one and it's incredible.

684
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,519
Speaker 3: So all NASA photos or CGI, what do you have

685
00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:47,159
to say about that? The most recent one that I saw,

686
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:49,199
I think was it a picture of Venus?

687
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,599
Speaker 4: Right, sure, but it wasn't.

688
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,679
Speaker 3: It wasn't NASA, it was I think Venus photograph.

689
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the most pathetic, co imaginable. First

690
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,480
of all, CGI was invented in the eighties, right, NASA

691
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:06,599
came about in the fifties.

692
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 4: Right.

693
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: All of the all of the photographs from the Apollo

694
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,960
missions are film photographs, like a film camera where you

695
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,840
go click and then develop the film in a developing web. Right,

696
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,480
So these people are idiots, and second of all, they're

697
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:29,719
obsessed with NASA. They refuse to acknowledge that there are

698
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,400
dozens of other space agencies. And then second, as you said,

699
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,039
like anybody can take a picture of Venus. Anybody can

700
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:39,320
take an amateur telescope and take a picture of Venus.

701
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:45,519
So I just like it's it's astounding like that people

702
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:48,199
could still fall for flat Earth in the nineteenth century.

703
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,960
I can buy it. But in the twenty first century,

704
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:53,760
I'm sorry, you're just the dumbest person alive if you

705
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,639
fall for this stuff. It's just such easily verifiable, like

706
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,719
things that we can all do naked eye obss or

707
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,239
you know, using a telescope whatever. It is just simple

708
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,880
things that we can all do to prove to ourselves

709
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,960
of the earthy is this fear they won't do it?

710
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:07,199
Speaker 4: You know?

711
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 3: Because again, it feels like we have access to so

712
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,840
much information nowadays, but people are not doing anything with it,

713
00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:21,000
and it feels like they're getting dumber and dumber. But

714
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:24,000
I think that that's a fault of the fact that

715
00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:26,679
we have so much information available to us, which is

716
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:28,760
a good thing and a bad thing, because then you

717
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,960
can kind of, yeah, exactly, you can nitpick what narratives

718
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,039
you want and if you already have a bone to pick,

719
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:40,360
whether it's say the the government or any because, right,

720
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,679
the government's done bad things.

721
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 4: There's governments that have done bad things. We know that.

722
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,639
Speaker 3: You know, there's people in power who will use their power.

723
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:50,119
Therefore they're all the same, right, and so.

724
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:54,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's such a toddler mentality, right, government bad

725
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:57,199
if you if you are of the of the mentality

726
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,960
that you have zero ability to apply nuance or critical

727
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,800
thinking and you're in your ethos, is government bad? Therefore, like,

728
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,800
what happens is that you're susceptible to disinformation that is

729
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:14,559
of the theme government bad, right, or X corporation bad

730
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,440
or fill in the blank bad. Right. That there are

731
00:39:18,519 --> 00:39:21,920
people out there who pedal disinformation for a financial gain

732
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:25,119
that is of these themes, right, And all they have

733
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:27,239
to do is say what the government doesn't want you

734
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,840
to know or something, and millions of people just eat

735
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,960
it up because it's the flavor that they enjoy. So yeah,

736
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,000
nobody says the governments are perfect. Right, the American government

737
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:39,159
is currently carrying out horrible atrocities and murdering people all

738
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:42,960
over the world. But that doesn't mean that that the

739
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:47,360
earth is flat or that basic knowledge that we have

740
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:50,639
had for for millennia is somehow now false. So the

741
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:53,239
problem with the Internet is that it's where we are

742
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,280
at now is complete epistemological breakdown. Right. We have access

743
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,159
to all the factual information, and it is buried by

744
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:06,440
false information of at least in order of magnitude greater volume.

745
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,559
So there's all the facts that we've ever known surrounded

746
00:40:11,559 --> 00:40:17,440
by mountains of disinformation and people trying to spin false

747
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:23,360
narratives for financial or political gain, obviously, and it's just

748
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:27,440
it's a complete mess. It's the single greatest problem facing

749
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,920
mankind is how do we get people to know what

750
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,400
is true in this age?

751
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you have mainstream news too that also do

752
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,079
the same thing on both sides. And I've seen even

753
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:46,119
recently in my space of people, there was this influencer

754
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:49,599
I guess you could call him, or some guy who

755
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:55,000
was who got caught, I think, taking money from other governments.

756
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,519
And he was running two pages. One was pro Trump

757
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,840
and the other was anti Trump, and he was banking

758
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,199
off both sides. He pulled the old hey I sold

759
00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:08,360
the account of while ago, or I got hacked or

760
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,800
something like that. You know, the good old I got hacked,

761
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,119
that wasn't me posting blah blah, blah, But yeah, he got.

762
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:14,599
Speaker 4: Exposed for that.

763
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 3: And it's like you said, if they're doing it on

764
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,960
the small scale with two hundred thousand, three hundred thousand followers,

765
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,519
they're definitely.

766
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 4: Doing it on the larger scale.

767
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, well yeah, see that's the thing. I mean,

768
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:29,519
we've known that mainstream media is rife with propaganda.

769
00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 2: Right.

770
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that they never report factual information. It

771
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:34,840
just means that you have to be discerning, right, you

772
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,039
have to be able to compare many sources, where whatever

773
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,639
any news source says, you have to compare each other. Right.

774
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,360
So like on the right they whine about CNN, and

775
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,920
on the left where like Fox News. Right, so Fox

776
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,119
News is a propaganda organization, right, CNN is a news

777
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,760
organization that sometimes pedals propaganda, right for in various directions.

778
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 4: Right.

779
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:57,199
Speaker 1: But the problem that people don't understand that very gullible

780
00:41:57,199 --> 00:42:00,440
people people don't understand is that doesn't mean that one

781
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:05,239
lone person that's that's cloaked themselves as a whistleblower is

782
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,840
telling the truth all the time. Right. An individual person

783
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:13,639
can also be lying constantly, And so it's just there

784
00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:18,519
are there people have been captivated by those certain demagogues

785
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,119
and are taking everything that they say at face value

786
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:24,519
without applying any critical thinking. But in reality, we need

787
00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:27,760
to apply critical thinking to all sources of information, whether

788
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,159
it's CNN or Fox News or this random asshole on

789
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:35,639
the internet. This random asshole could be a whistleblower, right,

790
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:39,039
They could be offering legitimate information, or they could be

791
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:42,559
completely full of shit and lying every time they open

792
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:45,719
their mouths. But and uh, and if you you know,

793
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,920
and and if people it's just about if people like

794
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,719
the narrative that they're that they're that they're offering, if

795
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,760
it's if it makes them feel good about themselves, if

796
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,480
they like their what uh, the identity that they can

797
00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:57,480
create based on that narrative.

798
00:42:57,559 --> 00:43:01,119
Speaker 3: So I was doing an episode yesterday on Neoplatonism and

799
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:04,400
the Platonists and everything and how they encourage.

800
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 4: Right, some certain.

801
00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: Beliefs are all about, you know, meditation and quieting the mind,

802
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,119
and the Platinists we're like, no, no, no, Like the mind

803
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,559
is God Like, that's your connection to the source. So

804
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:18,760
you have to embrace that. And then once you were

805
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,920
able to embrace that and you know, transcend, you were

806
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,119
able to come back and see reality in a new light.

807
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,599
And I think that religion took that idea of that

808
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,559
concept and it's like religion nowadays. I believe in God,

809
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:34,679
I don't believe in religion because I think it is

810
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,199
a brokered experience. They want you to just follow and

811
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,360
you know, fall in line, give your tithings, and we'll

812
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,519
let you know when our guy talks to the big

813
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:46,519
guy upstairs, and we'll make sure to put in a

814
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:48,679
good word for you. And that kind of takes away

815
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,519
the the proactiveness of a person to be able to

816
00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:53,880
think for themselves, like, Okay, well, I guess I'll just

817
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,320
wait around and you know, hopefully he puts in a

818
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,480
good word for me, and whenever he comes, I'm going

819
00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:00,559
to be a good law abiding citizen and just follow

820
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:02,599
the rules and just you know, kind of do what

821
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:05,519
you're told. And I really ever look at to it.

822
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: For yourself traditionally, What the purpose that religion has served?

823
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is not a bad thing because again speaking

824
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:14,480
about all this thing, I think that a lot of

825
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,039
people who fall for everything and want to make a

826
00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:19,440
conspiracy about everything. Not only does you know is there

827
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:22,920
a part of it which is mental health, which you know,

828
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:24,880
some people like to live in those realities.

829
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 4: Well, there's nothing, there's nothing wrong with that.

830
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 3: Again, my issue is when this video is good, they're

831
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,280
gonna go nuclear if if you're quiet just enough, Dave,

832
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,400
you can hear their keyboards.

833
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: Okay, you have a lot of nut job followers. I

834
00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:42,039
admit I didn't look into your podcast at all. I

835
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:42,559
don't know.

836
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 3: I wouldn't call them nut jobs. But there's like a

837
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:49,119
sect of again, the flatter they come out of the woodwork,

838
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:49,920
and this is the whole thing.

839
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: Well, well, they know me, they hate me.

840
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 3: Flat Earth doesn't. This is why they're gonna love this episode.

841
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:59,679
Flatter Earth doesn't spend billions of dollars in propaganda every

842
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:00,760
year to.

843
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,119
Speaker 4: Push the flat earth model.

844
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:07,119
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, but I also don't see the government

845
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,440
in my comments section telling me about how wrong I

846
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,679
am about the shape of the Earth and how Michelle

847
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,480
And it's always the same thing, right, Like if you

848
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:16,840
come out and say something against the narrative, like hey,

849
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,599
global warming might be a thing. They've been saying it

850
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:22,880
for the last fifty years, we got, you know, rapid

851
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:23,960
intensification of.

852
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,039
Speaker 4: Her I've been through.

853
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 3: Many, many hurricanes because I've lived here since nineteen ninety

854
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:33,480
seven or ninety eight in Florida. I've been through all

855
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:37,440
the hurricanes from that time to now, and it seems

856
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,760
to be getting progressively worse and worse. But it's like, no,

857
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,000
humans can't affect the weather, but the Illuminati can send

858
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,239
hurricanes your way to try and take your land from you.

859
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,639
Speaker 1: Right on a whim. Just what floated over there?

860
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,199
Speaker 4: What he's saying, dude? Right?

861
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:58,079
Speaker 3: So the next thing was I gonna say, what are

862
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:00,960
your thoughts on UFO and the drone situation.

863
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: I haven't really kept abreast of the drone thing. I

864
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,880
don't even really know what that is, the UFO thing.

865
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:14,239
I'm not convinced that any of those sightings are extraterrestrial

866
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:14,880
in nature.

867
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,079
Speaker 3: So, yeah, because you were mentioning the whistleblowers, and I've

868
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:20,920
never seen any whistle blower, right, A whistleblower is supposed

869
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,320
to be on their own dime and everything, but these

870
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,159
all these whistleblowers that come out always have to get

871
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,559
approval before they say anything about anything. It's like, wait,

872
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:31,519
weren't you a whistle blow or isn't that the whole

873
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:33,679
point of being a whistleblower that you can say whatever.

874
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 4: You want when you want.

875
00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:37,119
Speaker 3: It's like, no, I gotta double check to make sure

876
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:40,119
I can say that. So it's like that's red flag.

877
00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:43,440
But how you're saying these people they want the I

878
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,400
was talking about the New Age movement last night, and

879
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,800
it's like, wait, so you're telling me that the ashtar

880
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,519
glack to command isn't gonna elevate our consciousness and help

881
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,840
us transcend to the next dimension. It's like, well again,

882
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,960
because it's all about so I'm sorry, my two year

883
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,960
old is at my door, So the next one. Let's

884
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,480
talk about this here for a little bit. As we

885
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:09,679
get here to the end the latest debacle, there are

886
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:15,440
some flat earthers that went to Antarctica and they're kind

887
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,679
of coping hard. They're taking it hard because now their

888
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,960
community is turning on them, and they realized all the

889
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:27,079
damage that they've done themselves, and now they're on the

890
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:29,519
receiving end of that because now they're going against what

891
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:32,840
they preached for so many years. But the whole twenty

892
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,960
four hour sun in Antarctica that happened.

893
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:38,639
Speaker 1: Really funny over the holidays.

894
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you have anything. I know you made a

895
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,880
video before about how everyone was backing out.

896
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:47,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I made a video before and I'm going to

897
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:51,000
make another video. I'm actually talking to Will today in

898
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:55,400
a couple hours to do another interview, and he's given

899
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,719
me he's going to give me a few more. Like

900
00:47:58,119 --> 00:47:59,920
when I make those videos, I don't have time to

901
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:01,840
go look at what all the flat earthers are saying.

902
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,800
I just don't care. But he knows because he's monitoring

903
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,519
the situation. So for the first video, he gave me

904
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,559
kind of like a summary of bullet points of like

905
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,880
this guy said this, this guy said this. So he's

906
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,519
giving me another one of those, and I'm doing another

907
00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:16,159
interview with him today to put out another piece just

908
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:19,199
to it's just fun. People want to know what happened,

909
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,159
because there's a lot of people who are like just

910
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,760
casually interested in flat Earth, like they're not invested to

911
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,800
like see Willed, but they'll watch one of my videos

912
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,000
where I'm just like here in forty minutes is what

913
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:33,440
is happening? They think it's fun. So I'm gonna do

914
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,440
another one. Yeah, apparently from what I can gather, I mean,

915
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,400
obviously I know that Austin and Jaren both are like,

916
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,840
there's a twenty four hour son. We saw it, So

917
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:45,920
I don't know what to tell you. I don't know yet.

918
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,280
I'm sure will will tell me if either Austin or

919
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,719
Jaren renounced flat Earth. I bet Austin didn't. I Jaren

920
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,920
might have. I don't. I'm not sure I'll get the

921
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:56,519
scoop when I talked to him, I yea.

922
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 3: I haven't been able to discern where they're at because

923
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,960
they're kind of sort of borderline. I think that they're

924
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,559
trying to do damage control and not fully go, Like

925
00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:09,119
David Weiss has already been like, hey, this just proved

926
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,559
now here. I wrote down one of the quotes that

927
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:14,079
I've been seeing a lot, which you can read both ways, really,

928
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,360
because I was talking to my friend about this yesterday.

929
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,760
So it says truth fears no investigation. That's what they've

930
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,079
been saying now because again they push it like it

931
00:49:26,159 --> 00:49:26,760
is the truth.

932
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: And yeah, funny how none of those morons had the

933
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,800
balls to go to Antarctica, right, Weiss could have gone,

934
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,639
Dubet could have gone. These guys are they're such losers,

935
00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:39,320
it's unbelievable. Like I have to give a little bit

936
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,400
of credit to Austin, Jaren Jaren more than Austin, because

937
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:47,360
Austin's just fucking insufferable. Jaren seems like a semi decent

938
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,000
guy at least, but it's I do really enjoy that,

939
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,639
just like watching the whole thing implode and Austin in

940
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,840
particular having to deal with just like the blowback of

941
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,920
like just seeing how unbelievable, unbelievably toxic and pathetic and

942
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,239
reality avoidant that community is now and it's being directed

943
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,960
right at them. It's just it's it's beautiful. But uh yeah,

944
00:50:12,039 --> 00:50:14,880
I I'll have a better assessment of this in like

945
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,519
a week after I make the video with the follow up,

946
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:19,480
because as of right now, I don't really know exactly

947
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:20,719
what is happening.

948
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,159
Speaker 3: But yeah, you're gonna have a ball because I mean,

949
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:24,519
there's so many conspiracies.

950
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 4: Now there's there's vape gait.

951
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:28,079
Speaker 1: I heard a little bit of that.

952
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the whole And here's the thing about will Right,

953
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,880
the guy who put it together. These are people which

954
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,800
from my understanding, this isn't the first time somebody's done this, right,

955
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,079
they've done this before where they've recorded the twenty four

956
00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:42,559
hour son.

957
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:43,599
Speaker 1: Yeah of course.

958
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 3: So so I don't understand why this is such a

959
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,559
big like, oh wow, that's.

960
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: That's not it's not a big deal at all. It's

961
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,679
just that flat earthers went for the first time flat

962
00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:56,400
earthers went.

963
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,039
Speaker 4: There, which that's imperative.

964
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 3: Like Antarctica is like the one main thing that talk

965
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,400
about that they're and I know a lot.

966
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 1: Of things they talk about, but they're on the record

967
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,719
saying there's no twenty four hour son in Antarctica. All

968
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,199
of them do by all of those idiots are like,

969
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,039
there's known there, but we can't go see because the

970
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:16,199
government won't let us because the jew penguins, the NASA

971
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,679
Jew penguins will shoot us on site if we try

972
00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:21,239
to go to Antarctica. And then this guy Will is like,

973
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,440
let's go, I'll pay, and they're like, I don't want

974
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,480
to go. It's like the most pathetic and beautiful thing

975
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:31,280
I've ever seen. But so they went and they saw it,

976
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,079
and then everyone's like, no, you didn't, your fake shills,

977
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:35,440
we hate you.

978
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 3: You did it under duress is the next one that

979
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,800
they were doing it, and so yeah, that's that's one

980
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,119
of the main things that they've already come up with

981
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,800
rebuttals as to why. And then the one thing that

982
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,760
bothered me about Will, it's like, you know that these

983
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:55,519
people will not believe anything that they're told just because

984
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:58,239
at this point, I think it's it's fun to go

985
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,320
against the mainstream. And I think that mainstream media, or

986
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,840
the mainstream narrative, or the Rockefeller indoctrination system, if they

987
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,480
were to say it's flat, flat earthers would say it's

988
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,199
a globe just because it's the opposite of whatever the

989
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:14,199
mainstream is saying.

990
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's contrarianism on steroids, and it's also not does

991
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,400
not have any basis in reality, has no basis in

992
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,360
factual information. It is a basis on fantasy and the

993
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,400
way it makes them feel. So there is absolutely nothing.

994
00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:30,400
If like, there are people on the periphery who can

995
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,159
be gotten, and there are people who are hardcore in

996
00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:36,360
the cult that make changes in their own life and

997
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,280
mind that make them ready to be able to discard

998
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,440
the belief, but there's no there's nothing, there's nothing from

999
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,559
the outside in. There's nothing anybody can say, There's nothing

1000
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:49,519
anybody can show them that will penetrate that. Right, they're

1001
00:52:49,519 --> 00:52:51,440
either going to go to their grave like that, or

1002
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,440
they're gonna or something internal is gonna happen that makes

1003
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,000
them ready to step away from that. But there's no like, oh,

1004
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:01,199
you said this wouldn't happen, but here it did. So

1005
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,079
now you don't believe that, right, No, because it could

1006
00:53:04,119 --> 00:53:05,960
be this, or it's fake or blah blah blah. Like

1007
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:10,280
they just will make up anything. It's this unbelievably pathetic

1008
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:15,719
defense mechanism where they are shielding their pathetic little identity

1009
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:18,920
from all of reality. I mean, it's just that simple.

1010
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:22,800
They just will not be swayed by anything.

1011
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:24,639
Speaker 3: I think that a lot of people who talk about

1012
00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:26,760
it don't actually believe in it. I think that they're

1013
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:27,880
just again grifting.

1014
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, the leaders are grifters, right. Weiss is

1015
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,679
a grifter, Debey is a grifter. They know that it's

1016
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,320
not flat, otherwise they would have gone to Antarctica to

1017
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,159
prove that it's flat.

1018
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,559
Speaker 3: Right, And that's why I think that they're the agents,

1019
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:44,679
you know, not us trying to Again, I'm just I'm

1020
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:45,559
just here to reach agent.

1021
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: They're just idiots making a book, right because they have

1022
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,239
no better way to make a few dollars, you know.

1023
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,199
Speaker 3: But again, I'm here to ask questions, and I can't

1024
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:55,679
even ask a simple question as to like why, well

1025
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,960
will this and they get super defensive One of the

1026
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,440
things that bothered me about well was if you know

1027
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:04,000
these people are biting at the bit to like find

1028
00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:08,840
any little thing, why wouldn't you This can happen to anybody,

1029
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,880
Why wouldn't you tidy it up one hundred percent to

1030
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,639
where they can't find anything?

1031
00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:15,199
Speaker 4: And he left the green screen on.

1032
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: Well, no, but the thing is he kind of did right.

1033
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,719
He tried his best to be like, this is what

1034
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,519
we're gonna do. If you have any thing you want

1035
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:27,119
us to do, if you have anything that you think,

1036
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:30,679
will you know if whatever whatever problem you're gonna have

1037
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,199
with this, let us know in advance, and we'll do

1038
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,239
anything we can't. So, like they were doing the live

1039
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:36,960
stream and they're like, oh, it's a green screen. So

1040
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,960
he flew the drone or whatever. I mean that's what

1041
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,280
he told me anyway, But it was.

1042
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 3: Beeping because it was getting near the end of the stage.

1043
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that, or but it was because it

1044
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,360
was near one of the guys. So I mean, like

1045
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,880
he he's he tried his best to be like, what

1046
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:53,800
is the problem. What is the dumb shit that you're

1047
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,320
gonna make up to say it's fake? Tell me now

1048
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,039
while I'm here, And I'll prove that you're wrong with

1049
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:01,599
the drone or look the thing or what like, what

1050
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,599
insane shit are you gonna make up? Tell me while

1051
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:07,719
we're here. And of course they did some stuff and

1052
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,280
he proved everything, all the dumb things that they say

1053
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:15,039
are wrong, and then they eventually believe because stay there forever, right,

1054
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,679
and then once they're gone, they keep making up new

1055
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,559
shit and we're like, well we're gone now, so I

1056
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:22,719
don't know what to tell you, right, So yeah.

1057
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 3: And it's part of the social media game where things

1058
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,599
are driven by clicks, they're driven by engagement. And again

1059
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:33,119
I know this is gonna be driven by the engagement

1060
00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:36,719
because it's a polarizing topic for some people.

1061
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:38,119
Speaker 4: There's people who.

1062
00:55:38,039 --> 00:55:40,039
Speaker 1: Are for flat earthers, not for normal people.

1063
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,199
Speaker 3: No, but well even for the people who don't believe

1064
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:47,559
in it, to tell the flat earthers how unbelievable it is, right, like,

1065
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:49,760
how could anybody believe? You know what I'm saying, like

1066
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,039
you're gonna have those But on my side, I get

1067
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:56,559
mostly not so much earthers or globers, but more flat

1068
00:55:56,599 --> 00:56:01,079
earthers because I am talking about, you know, the homunculus

1069
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:04,039
and in alchemy, how could I be so close.

1070
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 4: Mind.

1071
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, I research, you know, this is what

1072
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,360
I do. Like, I read things. And again, I'm not

1073
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,639
a scholar like you, a PhD or whatever it is.

1074
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,880
But I read things and I can present things, but

1075
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,519
I'm not presenting things as the whole one hundred percent truth.

1076
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,199
I just want to have a conversation you and I

1077
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:22,719
don't see how to add on a lot of things,

1078
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,840
but I can have a conversation with you and not

1079
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,840
call you a you know, an Illuminati fed or whatever

1080
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,639
it is, just because you're saying something that I don't like.

1081
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,159
Speaker 4: Whatever. You don't believe in aliens?

1082
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 3: Cool? I mean I think that maybe aliens could be

1083
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:35,079
a possibility.

1084
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe not.

1085
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 1: I certainly believe that aliens exist. I just don't think

1086
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:39,559
they've ever been here.

1087
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, yeah, so one more question for you

1088
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,760
today before we get out of here. I know your

1089
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,280
your master's is in chemistry.

1090
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:51,119
Speaker 4: Is that correct?

1091
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:55,079
Speaker 1: Science education? I did a bachelor's in chemistry and then

1092
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:57,639
I almost finished a master's in synthetic organ in chemstry,

1093
00:56:57,639 --> 00:56:58,880
but I switched to science education.

1094
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 3: What is more probable that paracel said that Paracelsus the

1095
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,679
sixteenth century, alchemists, the father of toxicology, created a homunculus,

1096
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:13,519
or that the Earth is flat.

1097
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: I mean both are factually not true, so they're equal

1098
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,000
at zero.

1099
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 3: You know, so you don't think that there's people being

1100
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,880
clone and animals being clone. Nowadays, dude, test two babies,

1101
00:57:28,199 --> 00:57:31,079
all that research, so you don't think maybe in the

1102
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:35,159
sixteenth century they could have, at least for one second,

1103
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,840
replicated the correctus.

1104
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,559
Speaker 1: I don't know how we didn't have any understanding of genetics,

1105
00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:47,400
chemistry there there were there the fields of chemistry, I

1106
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:52,400
mean really biology in general, I mean certainly molecular biology

1107
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,320
obviously did not exist. How could we do something that

1108
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:56,440
we had zero understanding of.

1109
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 3: You heard it here, ladies and gentlemen, among and flat earth,

1110
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:06,039
both fake and gay. Flat Earth is done. We'll see

1111
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:09,920
what's next. You know, as far as I'm more of

1112
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:15,320
a hollow earther, because how I've told people before, it's like, well,

1113
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,159
flat Earth will take me there, you know, take me.

1114
00:58:18,119 --> 00:58:19,159
Speaker 4: To well, you're on it.

1115
00:58:19,239 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I can go into underground. My my friend

1116
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,960
lives in Vietnam and I think it's the Doom Dungnong

1117
00:58:26,119 --> 00:58:30,280
Cave or something like that. Some crazy underground ecosystem. It's

1118
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,199
it's like a whole rainforest underground that has its own ecosystem,

1119
00:58:34,239 --> 00:58:36,400
its own animals that only exist there. It's like I

1120
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,960
could go there if I wanted to, I could book

1121
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,920
a trip and you can camp there, Like there's actual

1122
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,719
camping trips you can go there. So I'm more of

1123
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,719
a hollow earther than anything. You know, you can go

1124
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,400
to Turkey and Darren Coou and go into the underground

1125
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:50,719
city that's there.

1126
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,119
Speaker 4: It's like that's a real place.

1127
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,679
Speaker 1: But yeah, those are caves. That doesn't make the Earth hollow.

1128
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:56,599
It's not hollow.

1129
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 4: You don't think it's You don't think it's hollow.

1130
00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:01,079
Speaker 1: Do well, it's actually not hollow.

1131
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,199
Speaker 3: So there, Okay, there's cavern systems.

1132
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:08,639
Speaker 1: Then yeah, just right here along the surface of Earth's crust.

1133
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 3: So you don't think of garth is on the inside

1134
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,199
of the Earth with the with an artificial sun.

1135
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:13,599
Speaker 4: Dude.

1136
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:19,159
Speaker 3: No, So, Admiral Bird didn't go into hollow Earth during

1137
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,159
Operation hyjup.

1138
00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 4: No, damn dude.

1139
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: All right, check out my geology series. Right there's we

1140
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,840
we understand the structure of the Earth through seismological techniques.

1141
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,559
It's very well established empirical science. We know the structure

1142
00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:37,000
of the earth, learn about it, all right.

1143
00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:38,679
Speaker 3: Well, I thought maybe, I don't know, Dave, I thought

1144
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:40,400
maybe I could get you to loosen up a little

1145
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,519
bit and spill the beans. But you're pretty dead set on.

1146
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:48,679
Speaker 1: No beans to be spilled this thing. Right, We've studied

1147
00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:51,199
all everything there is to study for centuries and we

1148
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,239
learned things and uh, and everyone can feel free to

1149
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,800
learn what we as a species have already learned and

1150
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:02,400
contribute to that process too. So no Bigfoot, Well, I

1151
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,840
mean that that's a little bit different. I mean, I

1152
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,880
don't believe in Bigfoot, but it's a little bit different

1153
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,719
to be like, there was an organism and I saw it.

1154
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,760
You know, that's different from the structure of the Earth

1155
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,199
that we can all probe empirically at any at any moment.

1156
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,519
Speaker 3: Right, So you no, I don't believe no big No,

1157
01:00:19,519 --> 01:00:24,199
no Mothman, no dog man, no skin walker.

1158
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 4: I mean you're back California over.

1159
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: But all sounds very stupid to me.

1160
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:34,039
Speaker 3: All right, Uh, Dave, dude, thanks for coming on man, yeah,

1161
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:37,480
and and talking with me about this. This is something.

1162
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:39,719
This is probably gonna be the last Flat Earth episode

1163
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,920
I ever do. Just because uh, coming into this new year,

1164
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:48,519
I want to just focus on other things and probably

1165
01:00:48,599 --> 01:00:52,519
less conspiracies on my end, more history, things that we have,

1166
01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:56,119
you know, written record of which again people will say, no,

1167
01:00:56,199 --> 01:00:59,360
well all of history's fake. Plato wasn't a real person,

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01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:03,000
you know, Francis Bacon was who the hell do they

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say he was?

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Speaker 4: Anyways, the other guy.

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna be focusing more on that. But I

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wanted to have you on just because that one day.

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I honestly I didn't think you're in our back, so

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I headed you up.

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Speaker 1: But when you did, happy to have a chat for

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an hour, not a big deal.

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Speaker 3: One more time for the people at home listening Dave

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and all the supporters that are going to be in

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the YouTube comments section, who are going to come specifically

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to see you. Where can they find you? Where can

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my people find you? I've never heard of you. You

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have a website or anything like that?

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Speaker 1: Just the channel, professor Dave explains, take a look around,

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lots of tutorials.

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Speaker 4: Links will be in the description, and there's always everyone.

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Speaker 3: Make sure to follow the show on social media at

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the one podcast.

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Speaker 4: Www dot tj OJP.

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Speaker 3: Dot com and I'll catch you on the next one.

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