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TJOJP dot com. And today we have Professor Dave joining us.
What's up, dude, Welcome to the show. Thank you for
being here, Thanks for having me. Can you tell the
people a little bit about you, what you do, what
your channel is, where they can find you, and yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, I am a science communicator. The main thing I
work on it's a YouTube channel called Professor Dave explains.
I've been working on it for ten years. It's primarily
a database of academic tutorials in a wide variety of
subjects to help high school and undergrad students get through
their classes. But for five or six years now, I've
been also doing a lot of debunking content. So I
like to take things that are in the cultural mealu,
so to speak, things that people are talking about that
they fall forward, whether it's just a cultural trend, or
it's the result of specific malicious, bad faith actors that
are spewing lies about science and so forth. I address
those and combat those and dissect them, figuring figure out
why people are repeating these things, who is responsible, and
try to try to debunk and expose them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and in specific, we're gonna be talking about flat
earth because I don't know if you caught the tone
as to I didn't think you were gonna write back,
to be honest, so I shot you a DM and
I don't know if you caught the tone. But I
was kind of annoyed because I was arguing with somebody
online about the flat Earth, and you know, I was
kind of like, hello, mister Dave, you know, like this
guy's never gonna write back to me. And then you did,
and I was like, all right, well, what do I
do now? But we're gonna be talking about flat earth.
And this is a polarizing topic because again, like I
told you, I'm in the truther or community where if
you care about the truth with the capital T, then
you need to believe in flat earth. And the more
I dive into things, the more I'm realizing that peep,
some people are actually retarded.
Speaker 4: And like they operate.
Speaker 3: And the thing is, by me talking about certain things,
I am legitimately and I'm starting to realize this the
more going, I am legitimately contributing to some people's mental
health issues. Like some people are legitimately sick, and they
like to sit in these echo chambers. So when you
say something out of line.
Speaker 4: With that, they go berserk. I'm sure.
Speaker 3: I mean you've I've had my life threatened over this topic.
I'm sure you have as well, because there's something about
it that brings out this I'm gonna say it's demonic.
I mean, like the way sometimes some people are. It's like,
what is wrong with you? Just because I say something?
You know these words? But yeah, it is a cult.
But my first go ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you when you when you envelop your identity
around a certain ideology and then someone threatens that ideology
with reality, that person will react violently as though you
are threatening them physically, right, because it's a core part
of their identity. So that's why you get that kind
of reaction.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, and then that's uh indoctrination. So once once
you're indoctrinate in that line of thinking of somebody, trying.
It's like, you know, like a Stockholm syndrome sort of
like you start to relate to your captors and everything,
and other are good people.
Speaker 4: They're good people.
Speaker 3: Uh So, my first question to you is Dave, because right,
we're gonna get into we're gonna talk about some of
the main points people say. And the reason I reached
out to you and specific is because I have seen
all of your debunking stuff. I've seen most of your debates,
and I think that you if usually these flat Earthers
they pick on low hanging fruit when it comes to,
you know, debating. They always want to debate. I think
debating is is kind of gay in my opinion, but
they always want to debate, and they kind of sort
of always pick on the low hanging fruit. I've heard
about flatter Earth. I know about flatter Earth, right, I've
researched it, but it's not my identity how it is
for some people. And all these guys when they go
at you will defend the globe that you love, right,
and they're going to ask you questions.
Speaker 4: That they've already rehearsed.
Speaker 3: It's like I might be able to remember one or
two points. And the reason I like you, Dave, is
because you're able to Okay, you said this and this
is why it's not that, and you give them an answer.
But they're kind of they're coping really hard right now,
especially with the whole Final Experiment thing which went off,
which we can talk about at the end. But my
my first question to you, David is why are you
covering up for the illuminati lizard people and trying to
hoard all the extra land for yourself?
Speaker 4: And are you a fed?
Speaker 1: Yeah? As you can see, I mean I live in
a palace. I mean, you know, I have. I own
a house, which is cool, but you know I'm not
swimming in it over here. I'm not filthy rich, but
interestingly not. My flat Earth debunks do make a good
bit of money just because it's so funny. People love
to watch them. That's why I keep making them. Yeah. No,
I'm just a guy who honestly, Flat Earth was the
first thing that I debunked. I didn't even intend to
become a debunker. It's just that I was making astronomy
tutorials and I thought it would be fun to wrap
up the Astronomy series with a debunk of astrology and
a debunk of flat Earth, and I kind of thought
the astrology one would be more controversial. Honestly, I thought
I'd get a lot of hate from that. People didn't
really seem to care. But then the flat Earth it
was just that these guys, the globebusters took that video
where I honestly didn't look into anything that flat earthers say.
I just made I heard that there were flat earthers,
and I made a video about how we know it's
not flat, and then they attacked me and did a
three hour live stream, and I was like, taken it back.
That's the first time anyone really ever talked about me
on the internet. Now they do it every day in
flat not just flat earthers. All kinds of people hate me.
But so I was very vindictive and I made this,
you know, forty five minute piece tearing apart their live stream,
and I was like, wow, this is a totally different
kind of content. I'm really good at it. People really
like it. So I did some more flat Earth, but
then I realized, hey, let's like apply this to other
more pressing issues. But the flat earth one is just
so it's just so funny. It's so funny because it's
the single dumbest thing that any human could possibly believe,
And the characters in it are comedically they're just cartoonish.
These characters that are like the leaders of the flat Earth.
They're so stupid, they're so arrogant, they're so ridiculous that
it's just fun for millions of people to like collectively watch,
you know, meet clown on them and everything. So that's
the popularity. I don't really remember exactly what the question was.
Speaker 3: Hopefully I answered why, Yeah, while you're covering up for
the illuminati lizard people and trying to hoard all the
extra land for yourself, you're not a fan that covers
out because that's the thing, right, Because part of that,
you know, you said astronomy and astrology. I've always said
one popular meme that I put out that gets a
lot of engagement, and uh, people seem to just go
off with, is it's all fake and gay right. And
a majority of things are faking gay right, like astrology,
flat earth and all these different things. But not everything
is faking gay right. There is an explanation for everything.
And I think what a lot of people don't like
about about these things is some people don't like being
told what to do or like what to believe. So
I think how I mentioned to you earlier, some people
are just gonna go against the grain just because like,
well it's this nuhuh, well yes it is, you know,
like that that's just the way it is. And and
even little little kids do this, right, like you don't
don't do that, like I'm gonna do it? Why, Like
my six year old son, and you know I can
tell him to do something, he needs a full explanation.
Speaker 4: And flat earthers are like that.
Speaker 3: You give them the full explanation and they still don't
want to believe. Right, It's like, well then you don't
care about the truth, right, you don't care.
Speaker 1: No, they don't want they don't want an explanation. They're
they're allergic to reality. Uh. It's a way for uh,
delusional narcissists with a nearly absent cognitive ability to feel superior. Right.
There's there's two components. They're they're the dumbest people alive,
but they're also delusional narcissists, so they like to convince
themselves that they're the smartest people alive. So when you
have the dumbest people alive pretending to be the smartest
people alive. The only way they're able to do that
is to take the entire edifice of scientific knowledge that
has been gathered over a thousand years and go Nope,
all fake and oh sure in the nineties colloquial sense
of being bad, and and assert themselves above that. Right.
They they literally think that they are neo in the matrix.
That's not a joke. They really truly think that all
of this is fake and I've awoken and I know
the truth. And that's how they position as a delusional narcissist.
That's how they position themselves above the rest of humanity
as a coping mechanism for how ineffectual and pointless they are.
Speaker 3: Right at this point, my problem isn't with flat Earth
like the concept Like I get it. You know, we
can come up with fan fiction. We can come up
with different ideas. Right, There's there's authors who creates stories.
Star Wars is the story Game of Thrones, the story
that's aw cool. No one's going around talking to some people,
are right, there's the neo defense and all the matrix defense.
There's not people going around, you know, talking about the
what the hell was it in game? Of thrones, the the.
Speaker 1: Big ice Wall, or the.
Speaker 3: They're coming from the north. What the hell where they
the white Walkers?
Speaker 1: White Walkers, Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 3: Nobody's going around preaching that, right, It's like, you know,
we know that that that it is fake. My problem
now is probably more to do with the flat earthers
and like the people that it attracts and their delivery,
because one thing that annoys me the most is I'm
I'm looking for again.
Speaker 4: I told you, I study history, I study a a whole.
Speaker 3: Bunch of different things, and I can I literally talk
about anally birthed alchemical artificial humanoid men homunculus right in alchemy.
Speaker 4: Nobody says anything.
Speaker 3: To me, Oh hell yeah, dude, love that. Hey guys,
I got cooked for this one too. Global warming might
be real and the Earth might not be flat. The
second one, they they just go crazy. They just you
obliterated their reality. With me saying that, I go, you know,
there's so many double double standards in all this.
Speaker 4: It's like it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: So well, there's a prior context. Right when you make
up some crap out off the top of your head,
nobody has a prior context with which to react to that.
When you talk about global warming science, deniers have been
primed to deny that, and they've spent a lot of
time interacting with content that primes them to deny that.
So they have a visceral reaction because they've been trained.
It's a Pavlovian mechanism, right, Pavlov's dogs and the bell. Right,
all you have to do is say global warming and
people get rabbid. Oh my god, I have somethings because
which is so.
Speaker 4: Can he?
Speaker 3: So humans can't affect the weather. But but I live
in Florida. But the illuminatius sending hurricanes out of their
foreskin to hit us, to try and take.
Speaker 4: The lithium or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So.
Speaker 3: Make it make sense that that's the That's what I'm saying.
It's like, so, which is it? Can people affect the
weather or can they not? It's this you're saying the
same thing differently. We can talk about gravity, because I
feel like that's another one that here. The next question,
do you believe we went to the moon and why
did NASA record over the footage? And how could they
have lost the technology?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we obviously went to the moon. You can actually
zoom in on the original Apollo landing site. From the ground,
you can see it. Also, we also bounce lasers off
the mirrors that were left up there. Yeah, we've actually
went to the Moon. I don't know what you're talking
about recording over anything. I don't think that's the thing.
And we didn't lose the technology. We just don't make
that technology anymore. We make better technology. Right, The Ford
Model T car factory doesn't exist anymore, doesn't mean it's
impossible to make a Ford Model T. Just means the
factory's not there. We have much better rockets now and
we're going to I mean, countries have sent crafts to
the Moon within the past couple of years. They were unmanned,
but Israel, China landed landed on the Moon and within
the decade, so the the Artemis is it called Artemis.
I forget. There's gonna be a manned Moon mission in
the next couple of years. So that'll be fun. If
there's any flat earthers left to see how they I mean, well,
fake fake fake fake g I c G I c
g I GreenScreen greens green. I mean, it's just like
it's just ridiculous, Like what they're doing with the final
experiment too. Yeah. No, we we went to the moon.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I have Donald Petite here, American astronomic chemical engineer.
I'd go to the moon in a nano second. The
problem is that we don't have the technology to do
that anymore. We used to, but we destroyed that technology
and it's a painful process to build the backup. So
I mean, yeah, sure, you know, I I believe that.
I believe space is a real place. I don't fall
in line with everything is c GI. I don't fall
in line with the whole the stars and everything is
a holographic projection system.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Don't fall in line with that. And the reason I
say is because again space plays a role in the occult.
And you know, I know you mentioned astrology and that
you debunk this, so you don't believe in astrology. I
don't one hundred percent believe in it. But I think
that maybe the stars and the alignments of things do
have a subtle influence right in cosmonic magic, it's a thing.
It's using number again to infuse things. But again this
is coming from a magical thinking perspective, which what do
you think about magic? Dave magic with a k not
stage magic with like, like, what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: That? It is not real?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 3: So the first one that they all say the like
one of the main ones, water finds its own level,
m because the ocean is flat, because they can zoom
in all the way on that boat with a one
thousand or whatever the hell it's called.
Speaker 1: P Yeah, lots of things to say here. First of all,
flat and level do not mean the same thing. Right,
level means perpendicular to the vector pointing to the center
of the earth. Right, gravity is pulling everything towards the
center of the Earth. So level would be perpendicular to
that vector, and that vector changes. Right, It's a sphere,
so as you're wherever you are on the surface, that
perpendicular that tangent that tangent plane changes. And so yeah,
the ocean is not flat, exhibits curvature, just like the land.
The funniest thing is that on on their on their
magic pizza land. Water also is not flat because tides exist. Right,
Tides are the the water. The height of the water
changes depending on you know, whether the tide is uh
is in or out high tide or low tide, and
so on their flat flat plane. They just have little
hills of water that are floating around. They hate talking
about tides because they have no way to talk about
it without contradicting their flat water thing. Uh. And then
with the with the cameras, no ships clearly go beyond
the horizon. That's why they disappear bottom up. And then
they say, well, we can bring it back, we can
bring No, you can't. Once it's gone past the horizon,
you can't bring it back. You can't. So they just lie.
They just lie.
Speaker 4: So you told me that this map here.
Speaker 1: Is incorrect, Dave, I don't know what the hell that is.
Speaker 4: So this is another uh another I guess.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is like I'm made up, like we're in
one of these little realms and all these other So
my question would be, who the hell made this and
where the hell did you get this information or did
you pull it completely out of your ass, because yes,
you definitely did, so where are we.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to find that. So apparently what I heard
about this is one of the popular ones. This dude
gets millions of views on YouTube right because they always
talk about being censored.
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, this is adorable fiction, like it's
a fun and you know, like you said, like.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, I think we're here. I think that's us there,
that's the ice wall, and then behind that is where
all the other lands that you're hiding from us day
that you're trying to yeah to, you know, not let
us conquer or are behind here.
Speaker 1: Because because there's uh so much oil and coal lium
out there, we're spending trillions of dollars a year employing
millions of scientists who don't do anything because geology is
all fake and astronomy is all fake, and physics is
all fake, and they all just go they just play
mind sweeper all day long and get full salaries. We're
spending all that money to hide the coal and oil
in these other in these other lands, right makes perfect sense?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, absolutely, it makes sense to me. Du dude.
Speaker 3: So this is one of the models I've seen. There's
also one of my favorite ones. I think it's Crater Earth.
I don't know if I can pull that one up.
Crater Earth is kind of sort of similar to again
this other sort of not make belief or fan fiction.
Try to be as respectful as possible here today, Dave.
You know, because these are real people. So yeah, I
can't find it here. But anyways, there's a no one
called Crater Earth, which is one of my favorites. The
next one is the sun is local. It's only three
thousand and four thousand miles away.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know why they say this because they can
see it, or because of the shadows or something or other.
Speaker 1: We have to say, go up there, go up there,
and go up there and get a closer look. Right
as you ascend an altitude, it should it should get bigger.
Speaker 3: No, and hotter, right technically and hotter?
Speaker 1: Sure, why not hotter?
Speaker 3: One thing I heard it was, well, this would actually
prove against it. No, No, I think it would prove
towards it. Folcanelli in the early I think nineteenth century,
nineteenth century, I think early nineteen hundreds he said that
the reason that we know something about this on others
is because the.
Speaker 4: I'm getting confused. No, fuck that all right.
Speaker 3: Next one, the speed at which the Earth rotates. They
always talk about this one because it rotates an x
amount of miles per hour, And they always do the
water on the ball experiment because they spin it around
and they go there's no possible way that the water
and us could be stuck to the ball because it's
spinning at a way too fast of a rate ye
to keep us on it.
Speaker 1: So it spins once per day. That's what a day is.
That's literally what a day is is how long it
takes for the Earth to rotate once on its axis
or actually that's a sidereal Daytechnically a solar day would
be a tiny bit more than that. But yeah, they
take the linear tangential speed at the equator because it
makes it sound like it's going really really really fast
spinning around. It rotates once per day. That's what a
day is. You can calculate the centrifical force and it
does exist, right, if it was spinning a thousand times
a second, everything would fly off of it, that's true.
But you can calculate the centrifical force at the equator.
It's something like point zero three meters per second square
as opposed to nine point eight meters per second. It's
one two hundredth or one three hundredth of the force
of gravity that's pulling us towards the center of the Earth.
So they're idiots. And then the way that they do it, Oh,
you can't make water stick to spinning ball. Things stick
to the Earth because it's fucking huge. It generates a
gigantic gravitational field when you take a tennis ball. First
of all, when you wet a tennis ball and spin it,
it's still wet, which honestly approximates the amount of water
are on the Earth. Right. The waters are very water
does not go very deep compared to the size of
the Earth. But second of all, it drips off of
the ball because it's going to the Earth because of gravity.
Speaker 4: But it's observable. I mean, that's the whole thing, right,
that they can.
Speaker 1: Observe it, observe what what do you mean.
Speaker 3: The experiment, because they can observe it themselves.
Speaker 4: So they're there. It's it's real, that's what they know.
Speaker 1: What they're looking at. They have no idea what they're
even talking about. Right, They're looking for proof of gravity,
and their desired demonstration of gravity fails because gravity exists.
It's pulling water to the Earth because of gravity. Right,
Nobody said that. Like they have this obsession with shape.
They're like they think that water sticks to allegedly sticks
to the Earth because it's a sphere. It doesn't has
anything to do with a shape, right, It's not like
a ball magically attracts water. It's mass, right. The Earth
is incredibly massive, so it generates an enormous gravitational field. Now, coincidentally,
anything large enough, like a moon or a planet, is
going to be a sphere because that's the shape that
that reduces the gravitational potential. Right, Everything large enough crushes
itself into a roughly spherical shape because that's what minimizes
the gravitational potential energy. Right, Everything's going to get crushed
as close to the center of that object as possible.
So that's why everything. Right, you can see asteroids that
have weird shapes, But if you get way bigger than that,
like at least the size of a moon, it's going
to be a sphere because that's how gravity works, you know.
So that's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost reaching like a sort of equilibrium, like
you know, that's the shape that would most equally distribute
the gravity how you're saying, So it's coming to a mass,
So it makes sense. Yeah, And is that what happened
with Pluto because Pluto is not a planet anymore, right.
Speaker 1: Pluto was demoted to a dwarf planet because of a
few criteria, the one the main one being that in
order to count as a planet, it has to clear
a certain percentage of the debris within its orbit. So
the thing is that there's there's so many trans Neptunian
objects that are roughly similar to Pluto and size that
if we called Pluto a planet, we would suddenly have
have to call hundreds of other objects planets. And so
instead of doing that, we just said Pluto's not a planet. Right,
so people flip out. It's like, Okay, I'm sorry that
you lost, like your favorite planet or whatever. But it
makes more sense to say that Pluto is a dwarf planet,
it's a trans Neptunian object, along with all of these
hundreds of other rocky bodies that are way out in
that orbital radius, and then just say we have eight planets.
So that's why that happened.
Speaker 3: You know that love Craft. We love Craft had allegedly
predicted Pluto two or three years before they they actually
found it with a telescope. And there's a mountain on
Pluto named Cuthulu something or other, like the tentacled octopus Monsor,
which I find really interesting.
Speaker 4: All right, so.
Speaker 3: The speed of which it rotates way too fast to
keep us on here. Why can't you see the curve?
You know that a lot of people talk about They
say that they go up on airplanes and they can't
see the curve. And the curve that we do see
in pictures is fish eyed.
Speaker 1: Well, so you can see the curve on the ground.
It's called the horizon, right, the horizon exists. That only
happens because of the curvature of the Earth. There's a
physical limitation to how far we can see. That goes
farther with elevation obviously, right the sphere, the circle of
you know, visible of visibility depends on your height. So
but you're not gonna see very pronounced curvature because the
Earth is so so big. Right when you're in a plane,
you're you're like, you know, if this is the Earth,
you're like a millimeter above it. You're barely above it.
So you're not going to be expecting to see like
you know, those planets in le petite prints or whatever,
where it's like a little ball and you're standing. It's
not how it works, you know. But then of course
you know satellites and stuff flat earthers just say it's
all fake, even though we have you know, real time
twenty four to seven live stream from the ISS showing everything.
And mm hmm, well, I mean yeah, I mean if
you take really sophisticated measuring technology, where our eyeballs are
not are not sophisticated measuring devices, right, we can't detect
minute discrepancies in angle and things like that with our eyes,
but with with with with technology we can. And yeah,
there is a very very very slight curvature to the horizon,
that's true. But yeah, and then it's more pronounced with
elevation until you're in orbit and you're very clearly looking
at a sphere or especially from the moon or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because this is the one of the pictures of
you zoom in here you can see the buildings and everything.
This is one that they always talk about, I shouldn't
be able to see right this over here. And I
know you said something about sea level in one of
your videos that I found really interesting.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, I don't remember what.
Speaker 4: Where it's like, this is sea level, this is sea level.
This is sea level. And then the reason that you can.
Speaker 1: See, oh yeah, because there are idiots that are like, look,
there's no change in elevation from this sea level place
to this. Yeah, it's freaking sea level like they like
they don't know, like flat ruthers have a hard time
separating cardinal directions and elevation, Like some of some idiots
think that like as you're going south, you're going uphill,
So like, how can this river flows south? That's uphill? No,
you moron. The cardinal directions are directions are along this
along the face of the sphere. Elevation is up and
down away from the surface or back towards like they
just that's how done there? But then about that picture
you just said right when you can see the buildings
far away? How what portion of the buildings can you see?
And which portion of the buildings can you see? Is
that only the tops of the buildings? Gee, I wonder
why right right? Yeah, they never have an answer for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the tip because that would you know? So, uh,
I think you talked about this one. Why I can
use them into the boats far away? He said that
they never they never stay on the boat because it
goes what is ass up and then goes over.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, so so what they like to do sometimes, uh,
due to certain atmospheric conditions, a boat will become not
visible to the naked eye as you're on the shore. Right.
Just sometimes you know, the atmosphere is such that we
lose sight of the boat, and then they use their
special camera to bring the boat back into back into vision,
which is fine, right, the camera can see farther than
the eyeball can. But if you if you stay zoomed
in and watch the boat disappear bottom up, right, when
once it actually goes beyond the horizon, you can't bring
it back. It's gone. It's not visible to you anymore.
So these idiots, it's like to take so see that
looks a little kind of foggy, right, it looks a
little like just the conditions are not optimal for viewing that.
Speaker 4: Shoe sale over the curve of the earth, but.
Speaker 1: It does, right, So if you zoom all the way in,
once they zoom in, they never they never watch very long, right,
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to something that you could barely have even seen, or
couldn't even see obviously with the naked eye. And then
they'll but then they'll they'll they just do that to
be like, look, they said, it's beyond the hurruh.
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Speaker 1: Prison Boat, now I can see it. Well, it wasn't
beyond the horizon. It just the conditions were such that
you couldn't see with the naked eye. But if you
zoom in all the way, it's gonna go. It's gonna
go disappear bottom up if you stay watching it long enough.
Speaker 3: You know, right on, Yeah, I know, I mean that
makes sense. I've never done it, so I don't. I
don't know, but I'm sure.
Speaker 1: There's plenty of footage of it of them going over.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, all right, well that one.
Speaker 1: Just YouTube boat disappearing bottom up right. I have some
of it in my debunks. I just speed it up
and put it in there.
Speaker 4: So yeah, bottom up right here, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe on YouTube, you know, get the video of it.
Speaker 3: All right, So the curvature, right, they always say this
is way too far away. There should be x amount
of curvature. It would be impossible for me to be
able to zoom in on it. Obviously they don't stay
on it enough. Just because it disappears from your eyeball,
it doesn't mean it right.
Speaker 1: Or they just lie, right, they take a picture from
very very high elevation and don't incorporate the higher elevation
into the calculation, or they just lie about what they're
looking at. They say it's this mountain that's supposed to
be two hundred miles away, but it's a different mountain
and that's eighty miles away, and they're just lying. Yeah,
all that stuff J Tolin media, right, and it's they
all reference that guy who just lied a bunch of
times and said this, I'm seeing this thing that's this
far away, and it's not. It's either a different object
or he didn't incorporate the altitude or whatever.
Speaker 4: It is. One of my favorites.
Speaker 3: Space is fake and gay, and all of NASA photography
is CGI. Right, And yeah, my whole thing with the
celestial bodies again, Uh, directly behind me right here right
now is a I can't see it, but I have
a huge telescope right and I've always told them, I go, hey,
I can see it with my eye. I can I
can see that it's there. But is it is it fake?
Is it a holographic projection? Is it a what do
they call it?
Speaker 4: Illuminary?
Speaker 3: Right that it's giving off this whole thing. And there's
people who do legitimate, legitimate astro is it astrophotography where
a lot of these pictures are not put out by NASA,
Like these are people who have the right equipment right
and and the way.
Speaker 1: It's incredible what amateur telescopes can do these days.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent, dude.
Speaker 3: I've seen some beautiful, beautiful shots as to you know,
this whole astrol photography.
Speaker 4: And it's real.
Speaker 3: I've seen nebulaus, I've seen all that. I don't have
like a crazy you know, camera setup. I can't take
these the pictures these people take, but it's possible.
Speaker 1: Especially can see planets and the moon. Anyone who looks
at the moon, like I've looked at the Moon at
Mount Wilson Observatory and it's like looking at Google Earth.
Like the level of detail of like the craters and
all the like, you know, it's it's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they have because you're closer ice, you said,
on a mount so you're up on a mountain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's just a much more powerful telescope, right,
it was. It was the most powerful telescope in the
world one hundred years ago. So now it's not like
that impressive, but it's it's as far as what like,
we can't get access to high tech observatories as civilians, right,
we can, but we can we can go to this
one and it's incredible.
Speaker 3: So all NASA photos or CGI, what do you have
to say about that? The most recent one that I saw,
I think was it a picture of Venus?
Speaker 4: Right, sure, but it wasn't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't NASA, it was I think Venus photograph.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the most pathetic, co imaginable. First
of all, CGI was invented in the eighties, right, NASA
came about in the fifties.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: All of the all of the photographs from the Apollo
missions are film photographs, like a film camera where you
go click and then develop the film in a developing web. Right,
So these people are idiots, and second of all, they're
obsessed with NASA. They refuse to acknowledge that there are
dozens of other space agencies. And then second, as you said,
like anybody can take a picture of Venus. Anybody can
take an amateur telescope and take a picture of Venus.
So I just like it's it's astounding like that people
could still fall for flat Earth in the nineteenth century.
I can buy it. But in the twenty first century,
I'm sorry, you're just the dumbest person alive if you
fall for this stuff. It's just such easily verifiable, like
things that we can all do naked eye obss or
you know, using a telescope whatever. It is just simple
things that we can all do to prove to ourselves
of the earthy is this fear they won't do it?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: Because again, it feels like we have access to so
much information nowadays, but people are not doing anything with it,
and it feels like they're getting dumber and dumber. But
I think that that's a fault of the fact that
we have so much information available to us, which is
a good thing and a bad thing, because then you
can kind of, yeah, exactly, you can nitpick what narratives
you want and if you already have a bone to pick,
whether it's say the the government or any because, right,
the government's done bad things.
Speaker 4: There's governments that have done bad things. We know that.
Speaker 3: You know, there's people in power who will use their power.
Therefore they're all the same, right, and so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's such a toddler mentality, right, government bad
if you if you are of the of the mentality
that you have zero ability to apply nuance or critical
thinking and you're in your ethos, is government bad? Therefore, like,
what happens is that you're susceptible to disinformation that is
of the theme government bad, right, or X corporation bad
or fill in the blank bad. Right. That there are
people out there who pedal disinformation for a financial gain
that is of these themes, right, And all they have
to do is say what the government doesn't want you
to know or something, and millions of people just eat
it up because it's the flavor that they enjoy. So yeah,
nobody says the governments are perfect. Right, the American government
is currently carrying out horrible atrocities and murdering people all
over the world. But that doesn't mean that that the
earth is flat or that basic knowledge that we have
had for for millennia is somehow now false. So the
problem with the Internet is that it's where we are
at now is complete epistemological breakdown. Right. We have access
to all the factual information, and it is buried by
false information of at least in order of magnitude greater volume.
So there's all the facts that we've ever known surrounded
by mountains of disinformation and people trying to spin false
narratives for financial or political gain, obviously, and it's just
it's a complete mess. It's the single greatest problem facing
mankind is how do we get people to know what
is true in this age?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you have mainstream news too that also do
the same thing on both sides. And I've seen even
recently in my space of people, there was this influencer
I guess you could call him, or some guy who
was who got caught, I think, taking money from other governments.
And he was running two pages. One was pro Trump
and the other was anti Trump, and he was banking
off both sides. He pulled the old hey I sold
the account of while ago, or I got hacked or
something like that. You know, the good old I got hacked,
that wasn't me posting blah blah, blah, But yeah, he got.
Speaker 4: Exposed for that.
Speaker 3: And it's like you said, if they're doing it on
the small scale with two hundred thousand, three hundred thousand followers,
they're definitely.
Speaker 4: Doing it on the larger scale.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, well yeah, see that's the thing. I mean,
we've known that mainstream media is rife with propaganda.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that they never report factual information. It
just means that you have to be discerning, right, you
have to be able to compare many sources, where whatever
any news source says, you have to compare each other. Right.
So like on the right they whine about CNN, and
on the left where like Fox News. Right, so Fox
News is a propaganda organization, right, CNN is a news
organization that sometimes pedals propaganda, right for in various directions.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: But the problem that people don't understand that very gullible
people people don't understand is that doesn't mean that one
lone person that's that's cloaked themselves as a whistleblower is
telling the truth all the time. Right. An individual person
can also be lying constantly, And so it's just there
are there people have been captivated by those certain demagogues
and are taking everything that they say at face value
without applying any critical thinking. But in reality, we need
to apply critical thinking to all sources of information, whether
it's CNN or Fox News or this random asshole on
the internet. This random asshole could be a whistleblower, right,
They could be offering legitimate information, or they could be
completely full of shit and lying every time they open
their mouths. But and uh, and if you you know,
and and if people it's just about if people like
the narrative that they're that they're that they're offering, if
it's if it makes them feel good about themselves, if
they like their what uh, the identity that they can
create based on that narrative.
Speaker 3: So I was doing an episode yesterday on Neoplatonism and
the Platonists and everything and how they encourage.
Speaker 4: Right, some certain.
Speaker 3: Beliefs are all about, you know, meditation and quieting the mind,
and the Platinists we're like, no, no, no, Like the mind
is God Like, that's your connection to the source. So
you have to embrace that. And then once you were
able to embrace that and you know, transcend, you were
able to come back and see reality in a new light.
And I think that religion took that idea of that
concept and it's like religion nowadays. I believe in God,
I don't believe in religion because I think it is
a brokered experience. They want you to just follow and
you know, fall in line, give your tithings, and we'll
let you know when our guy talks to the big
guy upstairs, and we'll make sure to put in a
good word for you. And that kind of takes away
the the proactiveness of a person to be able to
think for themselves, like, Okay, well, I guess I'll just
wait around and you know, hopefully he puts in a
good word for me, and whenever he comes, I'm going
to be a good law abiding citizen and just follow
the rules and just you know, kind of do what
you're told. And I really ever look at to it.
Speaker 1: For yourself traditionally, What the purpose that religion has served?
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is not a bad thing because again speaking
about all this thing, I think that a lot of
people who fall for everything and want to make a
conspiracy about everything. Not only does you know is there
a part of it which is mental health, which you know,
some people like to live in those realities.
Speaker 4: Well, there's nothing, there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3: Again, my issue is when this video is good, they're
gonna go nuclear if if you're quiet just enough, Dave,
you can hear their keyboards.
Speaker 1: Okay, you have a lot of nut job followers. I
admit I didn't look into your podcast at all. I
don't know.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't call them nut jobs. But there's like a
sect of again, the flatter they come out of the woodwork,
and this is the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Well, well, they know me, they hate me.
Speaker 3: Flat Earth doesn't. This is why they're gonna love this episode.
Flatter Earth doesn't spend billions of dollars in propaganda every
year to.
Speaker 4: Push the flat earth model.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, but I also don't see the government
in my comments section telling me about how wrong I
am about the shape of the Earth and how Michelle
And it's always the same thing, right, Like if you
come out and say something against the narrative, like hey,
global warming might be a thing. They've been saying it
for the last fifty years, we got, you know, rapid
intensification of.
Speaker 4: Her I've been through.
Speaker 3: Many, many hurricanes because I've lived here since nineteen ninety
seven or ninety eight in Florida. I've been through all
the hurricanes from that time to now, and it seems
to be getting progressively worse and worse. But it's like, no,
humans can't affect the weather, but the Illuminati can send
hurricanes your way to try and take your land from you.
Speaker 1: Right on a whim. Just what floated over there?
Speaker 4: What he's saying, dude? Right?
Speaker 3: So the next thing was I gonna say, what are
your thoughts on UFO and the drone situation.
Speaker 1: I haven't really kept abreast of the drone thing. I
don't even really know what that is, the UFO thing.
I'm not convinced that any of those sightings are extraterrestrial
in nature.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, because you were mentioning the whistleblowers, and I've
never seen any whistle blower, right, A whistleblower is supposed
to be on their own dime and everything, but these
all these whistleblowers that come out always have to get
approval before they say anything about anything. It's like, wait,
weren't you a whistle blow or isn't that the whole
point of being a whistleblower that you can say whatever.
Speaker 4: You want when you want.
Speaker 3: It's like, no, I gotta double check to make sure
I can say that. So it's like that's red flag.
But how you're saying these people they want the I
was talking about the New Age movement last night, and
it's like, wait, so you're telling me that the ashtar
glack to command isn't gonna elevate our consciousness and help
us transcend to the next dimension. It's like, well again,
because it's all about so I'm sorry, my two year
old is at my door, So the next one. Let's
talk about this here for a little bit. As we
get here to the end the latest debacle, there are
some flat earthers that went to Antarctica and they're kind
of coping hard. They're taking it hard because now their
community is turning on them, and they realized all the
damage that they've done themselves, and now they're on the
receiving end of that because now they're going against what
they preached for so many years. But the whole twenty
four hour sun in Antarctica that happened.
Speaker 1: Really funny over the holidays.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you have anything. I know you made a
video before about how everyone was backing out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I made a video before and I'm going to
make another video. I'm actually talking to Will today in
a couple hours to do another interview, and he's given
me he's going to give me a few more. Like
when I make those videos, I don't have time to
go look at what all the flat earthers are saying.
I just don't care. But he knows because he's monitoring
the situation. So for the first video, he gave me
kind of like a summary of bullet points of like
this guy said this, this guy said this. So he's
giving me another one of those, and I'm doing another
interview with him today to put out another piece just
to it's just fun. People want to know what happened,
because there's a lot of people who are like just
casually interested in flat Earth, like they're not invested to
like see Willed, but they'll watch one of my videos
where I'm just like here in forty minutes is what
is happening? They think it's fun. So I'm gonna do
another one. Yeah, apparently from what I can gather, I mean,
obviously I know that Austin and Jaren both are like,
there's a twenty four hour son. We saw it, So
I don't know what to tell you. I don't know yet.
I'm sure will will tell me if either Austin or
Jaren renounced flat Earth. I bet Austin didn't. I Jaren
might have. I don't. I'm not sure I'll get the
scoop when I talked to him, I yea.
Speaker 3: I haven't been able to discern where they're at because
they're kind of sort of borderline. I think that they're
trying to do damage control and not fully go, Like
David Weiss has already been like, hey, this just proved
now here. I wrote down one of the quotes that
I've been seeing a lot, which you can read both ways, really,
because I was talking to my friend about this yesterday.
So it says truth fears no investigation. That's what they've
been saying now because again they push it like it
is the truth.
Speaker 1: And yeah, funny how none of those morons had the
balls to go to Antarctica, right, Weiss could have gone,
Dubet could have gone. These guys are they're such losers,
it's unbelievable. Like I have to give a little bit
of credit to Austin, Jaren Jaren more than Austin, because
Austin's just fucking insufferable. Jaren seems like a semi decent
guy at least, but it's I do really enjoy that,
just like watching the whole thing implode and Austin in
particular having to deal with just like the blowback of
like just seeing how unbelievable, unbelievably toxic and pathetic and
reality avoidant that community is now and it's being directed
right at them. It's just it's it's beautiful. But uh yeah,
I I'll have a better assessment of this in like
a week after I make the video with the follow up,
because as of right now, I don't really know exactly
what is happening.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you're gonna have a ball because I mean,
there's so many conspiracies.
Speaker 4: Now there's there's vape gait.
Speaker 1: I heard a little bit of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the whole And here's the thing about will Right,
the guy who put it together. These are people which
from my understanding, this isn't the first time somebody's done this, right,
they've done this before where they've recorded the twenty four
hour son.
Speaker 1: Yeah of course.
Speaker 3: So so I don't understand why this is such a
big like, oh wow, that's.
Speaker 1: That's not it's not a big deal at all. It's
just that flat earthers went for the first time flat
earthers went.
Speaker 4: There, which that's imperative.
Speaker 3: Like Antarctica is like the one main thing that talk
about that they're and I know a lot.
Speaker 1: Of things they talk about, but they're on the record
saying there's no twenty four hour son in Antarctica. All
of them do by all of those idiots are like,
there's known there, but we can't go see because the
government won't let us because the jew penguins, the NASA
Jew penguins will shoot us on site if we try
to go to Antarctica. And then this guy Will is like,
let's go, I'll pay, and they're like, I don't want
to go. It's like the most pathetic and beautiful thing
I've ever seen. But so they went and they saw it,
and then everyone's like, no, you didn't, your fake shills,
we hate you.
Speaker 3: You did it under duress is the next one that
they were doing it, and so yeah, that's that's one
of the main things that they've already come up with
rebuttals as to why. And then the one thing that
bothered me about Will, it's like, you know that these
people will not believe anything that they're told just because
at this point, I think it's it's fun to go
against the mainstream. And I think that mainstream media, or
the mainstream narrative, or the Rockefeller indoctrination system, if they
were to say it's flat, flat earthers would say it's
a globe just because it's the opposite of whatever the
mainstream is saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's contrarianism on steroids, and it's also not does
not have any basis in reality, has no basis in
factual information. It is a basis on fantasy and the
way it makes them feel. So there is absolutely nothing.
If like, there are people on the periphery who can
be gotten, and there are people who are hardcore in
the cult that make changes in their own life and
mind that make them ready to be able to discard
the belief, but there's no there's nothing, there's nothing from
the outside in. There's nothing anybody can say, There's nothing
anybody can show them that will penetrate that. Right, they're
either going to go to their grave like that, or
they're gonna or something internal is gonna happen that makes
them ready to step away from that. But there's no like, oh,
you said this wouldn't happen, but here it did. So
now you don't believe that, right, No, because it could
be this, or it's fake or blah blah blah. Like
they just will make up anything. It's this unbelievably pathetic
defense mechanism where they are shielding their pathetic little identity
from all of reality. I mean, it's just that simple.
They just will not be swayed by anything.
Speaker 3: I think that a lot of people who talk about
it don't actually believe in it. I think that they're
just again grifting.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, the leaders are grifters, right. Weiss is
a grifter, Debey is a grifter. They know that it's
not flat, otherwise they would have gone to Antarctica to
prove that it's flat.
Speaker 3: Right, And that's why I think that they're the agents,
you know, not us trying to Again, I'm just I'm
just here to reach agent.
Speaker 1: They're just idiots making a book, right because they have
no better way to make a few dollars, you know.
Speaker 3: But again, I'm here to ask questions, and I can't
even ask a simple question as to like why, well
will this and they get super defensive One of the
things that bothered me about well was if you know
these people are biting at the bit to like find
any little thing, why wouldn't you This can happen to anybody,
Why wouldn't you tidy it up one hundred percent to
where they can't find anything?
Speaker 4: And he left the green screen on.
Speaker 1: Well, no, but the thing is he kind of did right.
He tried his best to be like, this is what
we're gonna do. If you have any thing you want
us to do, if you have anything that you think,
will you know if whatever whatever problem you're gonna have
with this, let us know in advance, and we'll do
anything we can't. So, like they were doing the live
stream and they're like, oh, it's a green screen. So
he flew the drone or whatever. I mean that's what
he told me anyway, But it was.
Speaker 3: Beeping because it was getting near the end of the stage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that, or but it was because it
was near one of the guys. So I mean, like
he he's he tried his best to be like, what
is the problem. What is the dumb shit that you're
gonna make up to say it's fake? Tell me now
while I'm here, And I'll prove that you're wrong with
the drone or look the thing or what like, what
insane shit are you gonna make up? Tell me while
we're here. And of course they did some stuff and
he proved everything, all the dumb things that they say
are wrong, and then they eventually believe because stay there forever, right,
and then once they're gone, they keep making up new
shit and we're like, well we're gone now, so I
don't know what to tell you, right, So yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's part of the social media game where things
are driven by clicks, they're driven by engagement. And again
I know this is gonna be driven by the engagement
because it's a polarizing topic for some people.
Speaker 4: There's people who.
Speaker 1: Are for flat earthers, not for normal people.
Speaker 3: No, but well even for the people who don't believe
in it, to tell the flat earthers how unbelievable it is, right, like,
how could anybody believe? You know what I'm saying, like
you're gonna have those But on my side, I get
mostly not so much earthers or globers, but more flat
earthers because I am talking about, you know, the homunculus
and in alchemy, how could I be so close.
Speaker 4: Mind.
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, I research, you know, this is what
I do. Like, I read things. And again, I'm not
a scholar like you, a PhD or whatever it is.
But I read things and I can present things, but
I'm not presenting things as the whole one hundred percent truth.
I just want to have a conversation you and I
don't see how to add on a lot of things,
but I can have a conversation with you and not
call you a you know, an Illuminati fed or whatever
it is, just because you're saying something that I don't like.
Speaker 4: Whatever. You don't believe in aliens?
Speaker 3: Cool? I mean I think that maybe aliens could be
a possibility.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe not.
Speaker 1: I certainly believe that aliens exist. I just don't think
they've ever been here.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, yeah, so one more question for you
today before we get out of here. I know your
your master's is in chemistry.
Speaker 4: Is that correct?
Speaker 1: Science education? I did a bachelor's in chemistry and then
I almost finished a master's in synthetic organ in chemstry,
but I switched to science education.
Speaker 3: What is more probable that paracel said that Paracelsus the
sixteenth century, alchemists, the father of toxicology, created a homunculus,
or that the Earth is flat.
Speaker 1: I mean both are factually not true, so they're equal
at zero.
Speaker 3: You know, so you don't think that there's people being
clone and animals being clone. Nowadays, dude, test two babies,
all that research, so you don't think maybe in the
sixteenth century they could have, at least for one second,
replicated the correctus.
Speaker 1: I don't know how we didn't have any understanding of genetics,
chemistry there there were there the fields of chemistry, I
mean really biology in general, I mean certainly molecular biology
obviously did not exist. How could we do something that
we had zero understanding of.
Speaker 3: You heard it here, ladies and gentlemen, among and flat earth,
both fake and gay. Flat Earth is done. We'll see
what's next. You know, as far as I'm more of
a hollow earther, because how I've told people before, it's like, well,
flat Earth will take me there, you know, take me.
Speaker 4: To well, you're on it.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I can go into underground. My my friend
lives in Vietnam and I think it's the Doom Dungnong
Cave or something like that. Some crazy underground ecosystem. It's
it's like a whole rainforest underground that has its own ecosystem,
its own animals that only exist there. It's like I
could go there if I wanted to, I could book
a trip and you can camp there, Like there's actual
camping trips you can go there. So I'm more of
a hollow earther than anything. You know, you can go
to Turkey and Darren Coou and go into the underground
city that's there.
Speaker 4: It's like that's a real place.
Speaker 1: But yeah, those are caves. That doesn't make the Earth hollow.
It's not hollow.
Speaker 4: You don't think it's You don't think it's hollow.
Speaker 1: Do well, it's actually not hollow.
Speaker 3: So there, Okay, there's cavern systems.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, just right here along the surface of Earth's crust.
Speaker 3: So you don't think of garth is on the inside
of the Earth with the with an artificial sun.
Speaker 4: Dude.
Speaker 3: No, So, Admiral Bird didn't go into hollow Earth during
Operation hyjup.
Speaker 4: No, damn dude.
Speaker 1: All right, check out my geology series. Right there's we
we understand the structure of the Earth through seismological techniques.
It's very well established empirical science. We know the structure
of the earth, learn about it, all right.
Speaker 3: Well, I thought maybe, I don't know, Dave, I thought
maybe I could get you to loosen up a little
bit and spill the beans. But you're pretty dead set on.
Speaker 1: No beans to be spilled this thing. Right, We've studied
all everything there is to study for centuries and we
learned things and uh, and everyone can feel free to
learn what we as a species have already learned and
contribute to that process too. So no Bigfoot, Well, I
mean that that's a little bit different. I mean, I
don't believe in Bigfoot, but it's a little bit different
to be like, there was an organism and I saw it.
You know, that's different from the structure of the Earth
that we can all probe empirically at any at any moment.
Speaker 3: Right, So you no, I don't believe no big No,
no Mothman, no dog man, no skin walker.
Speaker 4: I mean you're back California over.
Speaker 1: But all sounds very stupid to me.
Speaker 3: All right, Uh, Dave, dude, thanks for coming on man, yeah,
and and talking with me about this. This is something.
This is probably gonna be the last Flat Earth episode
I ever do. Just because uh, coming into this new year,
I want to just focus on other things and probably
less conspiracies on my end, more history, things that we have,
you know, written record of which again people will say, no,
well all of history's fake. Plato wasn't a real person,
you know, Francis Bacon was who the hell do they
say he was?
Speaker 4: Anyways, the other guy.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna be focusing more on that. But I
wanted to have you on just because that one day.
I honestly I didn't think you're in our back, so
I headed you up.
Speaker 1: But when you did, happy to have a chat for
an hour, not a big deal.
Speaker 3: One more time for the people at home listening Dave
and all the supporters that are going to be in
the YouTube comments section, who are going to come specifically
to see you. Where can they find you? Where can
my people find you? I've never heard of you. You
have a website or anything like that?
Speaker 1: Just the channel, professor Dave explains, take a look around,
lots of tutorials.
Speaker 4: Links will be in the description, and there's always everyone.
Speaker 3: Make sure to follow the show on social media at
the one podcast.
Speaker 4: Www dot tj OJP.
Speaker 3: Dot com and I'll catch you on the next one.
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