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This is the 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:50,119 Thinking Atheist podcast hosted by Seth Andrews. 13 00:00:56,479 --> 00:01:00,759 Speaker 2: I bought my cat a Christmas present, and it was 14 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:05,079 really a gift of necessity. My cat has developed a 15 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:11,959 pronounced limp front left paw and just limping all around 16 00:01:12,239 --> 00:01:15,519 the house. Been going on for a few months. I 17 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,879 think I talked about this back in October, but the 18 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,200 VAT said the X rays revealed bone spurs. Your cat 19 00:01:22,359 --> 00:01:27,200 is fourteen. It's normal for cats to develop arthritis. So 20 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:32,480 he's hobbling around and he breaks my heart hobbling from 21 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,000 place to place. And perhaps most tragically, he loves to 22 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,799 be on the master bed with me. When I'm sitting 23 00:01:38,879 --> 00:01:41,200 up there, we're watching TV. Or I'm taking a nap 24 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,200 or whatever. He likes to come and lays either on 25 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:47,640 my chest or right here and kind of cradled under 26 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,719 my right arm, and he purs and he's such as 27 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,560 weakity boy. And then when he's done, he jumps down 28 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,760 off the bed and my heart breaks because you can 29 00:01:59,799 --> 00:02:03,159 hear his legs plump hitting the floor, and I'm sure 30 00:02:03,159 --> 00:02:05,560 that's got to hurt or it's doing more damage. And 31 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,919 so I thought, well, what if we did little cat 32 00:02:09,039 --> 00:02:13,199 stairs or a ramp or something just for the bed 33 00:02:14,159 --> 00:02:16,840 and it, you know, it might be kind of unsightly, 34 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,759 but it's functional and the cat needs it, especially if 35 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,159 he might be in pain. So I googled cat ramp 36 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,360 and there's a whole market for this stuff. I spent 37 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,759 hours on my phone scrolling and scrolling and scrolling. Do 38 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,159 I want a ramp the kind of thing you would 39 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,439 drive a small motorcycle up in actual flat ramp? Or 40 00:02:40,479 --> 00:02:45,080 do I want stairs? And then what material? You want? 41 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,199 A cloth of some kind or do you want a 42 00:02:48,439 --> 00:02:52,560 carpet or a rubber? But the cat's got claws, it 43 00:02:52,599 --> 00:02:55,439 shouldn't be a problem. I don't know. I'm just scrolled 44 00:02:55,479 --> 00:02:58,120 and scrolled what color. Do we want to match it 45 00:02:58,199 --> 00:03:00,960 to the rest of the bedroom? Is it now an accessory? 46 00:03:01,719 --> 00:03:06,840 And we finally found cat stairs, so he has a 47 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,960 Christmas gift that is on the way. It hasn't arrived yet, 48 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,080 and then we got to figure out whether or not 49 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,319 he will use it. I think you will. Most of 50 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,520 the website says that if can't see something to climb on, 51 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,439 they will do so. But what about the dogs, Because 52 00:03:21,439 --> 00:03:25,240 we've got the tiny dogs, and it's possible maybe they 53 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,439 would learn how to go up the stairs. They love 54 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,879 to be on the master bed. I think they feel 55 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,000 good and comfortable and safe up there. But they can't 56 00:03:34,199 --> 00:03:37,240 sit on the master bed when we are gone because 57 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:38,879 we don't want them jumping all the way down to 58 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,039 the floor. If they had stairs, maybe they could just 59 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,840 help themselves. Hey, I feel like sitting on the master bed, 60 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,680 comforter or whatever. Let's go up the stairs and when 61 00:03:50,719 --> 00:03:54,439 they're done down the stairs. How do you get a 62 00:03:54,479 --> 00:03:57,800 dog to do that? You're gonna have to show them how. 63 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,000 I doubt they'll just pick it up my dogs anyway. 64 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,280 So I googled it and there are a ton of 65 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,280 websites teaching people how to train your dogs. To use stairs. 66 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,280 Most of the recommendations are you want to put a 67 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,680 bunch of pillows around the stairs because I don't know 68 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,959 your dog's drunk or something. You know what, Well, they 69 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,519 put pillows all around the stairs, and then you have 70 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,480 your dog at the bottom, and you put a treat 71 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,560 on the first wrong or step, and then you point 72 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,759 it out and say would you like a snack or 73 00:04:31,759 --> 00:04:34,600 a treat or whatever your word is, And the dog 74 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,639 puts a paw up and maybe sneaks up and grabs one, 75 00:04:38,199 --> 00:04:41,240 and you're like, go, buppy, what just wait? Boy? You 76 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,079 did so good. And then you put the treat on 77 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,079 the next step, and then the next and maybe sit 78 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,040 at the top and they go up and down. They 79 00:04:49,079 --> 00:04:54,959 are learning to safely navigate their doggie stairs. Anyway, at 80 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,279 some point there will be a box on the front 81 00:04:58,319 --> 00:05:02,240 porch and I'm sure assembly instructions and we are going 82 00:05:02,319 --> 00:05:05,199 to have pet steps. Then I'll take photographs and put 83 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:07,920 them on social media, and I'm going to take video. 84 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,920 If I can get cat to use it up and down, 85 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,199 being able to just go easy, it's going to make 86 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,920 it's going to be a gift to my heart. So 87 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,279 I'm not aggrieved every time he comes up to get 88 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,399 some snuglies, you know, a practical gift for the holidays. 89 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:29,399 Out of curiosity, I did some checking on other gifts 90 00:05:29,439 --> 00:05:33,759 for pets, and again there is a massive marketplace for 91 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,199 animals for the holidays, everything from big bags at treats 92 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:44,800 to customized callers, special toys. There are subscription services to 93 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,519 companies called like bark Box, and then every month you 94 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:54,120 get a box of just random stuff, special blankets and 95 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:58,680 cozy dog beds and clothing. Oh man, the clothing market 96 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:02,959 for dogs, and Linus and Gracie have them. They're so cute. 97 00:06:02,959 --> 00:06:06,399 You button up these down coats when it gets really cold, 98 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,759 You're just button it on and they look like little 99 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:15,399 fuzzy people walking down the street. He's so fashionable. You're 100 00:06:15,519 --> 00:06:21,360 such a fashionable you such a handsome boy. And they 101 00:06:21,399 --> 00:06:24,040 totally know how to get dressed. They come over and 102 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:26,639 they notice stick their arms out and go in the leaves. 103 00:06:26,639 --> 00:06:29,519 I don't know, I'm just babbling. I think I might 104 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,439 derive more pleasure out of giving gifts to my dogs 105 00:06:32,439 --> 00:06:36,759 than I do to most people. Shopping for people is hard. 106 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,560 I think, what do you want for Christmas? I don't know. 107 00:06:40,879 --> 00:06:44,959 People ask me. I don't care. I mean, I don't care. 108 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,240 You know, if I needed it, I probably already got it. 109 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,000 You know, Natalie, what do you want? What do you 110 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,639 want for Christmas? Honey? I am good, And apparently that's 111 00:06:56,639 --> 00:07:01,600 the wrong answer. You know, I'm good. I don't need anything. 112 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,079 You know, I'm going to save your money. Maybe let's 113 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,600 go do something together. No, I want to put something 114 00:07:07,639 --> 00:07:10,279 under the tree for you. I don't know what I need. 115 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,600 Maybe I should take a queue from the dogs, give 116 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,560 me a bag of treats, you know, and then let 117 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,560 me eat snacks and then tell me I've been a 118 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,839 good boy. It's jeep and it's delicious. I would do 119 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:30,439 that for Christmas. Let's see, we have calls on the switchboard. 120 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:33,319 There are no rules, there is no real topic. If 121 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,680 you want to talk about how the godless celebrate the holidays, 122 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,519 that sounds fun, we can do that. Some people skip 123 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,240 it all together. Some people go all pagan, which is awesome. 124 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,759 But we can talk about whatever. I'm going to speak 125 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,120 to Dean at three six zero. What do you want 126 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:52,199 to talk about? 127 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:57,199 Speaker 4: So I'm a transman in the United States, and I 128 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,000 have some worries about what the future sure for myself 129 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,600 and my community is going to look like I know 130 00:08:04,199 --> 00:08:06,800 what the position of the Republicans and Donald Trump is, 131 00:08:07,519 --> 00:08:11,560 and I'm wondering how long it's going to take until 132 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:17,079 those positions become turned into law or worse, you know 133 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,920 that they might make new ones to flow us in 134 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,199 jail for just simply existing. 135 00:08:22,959 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: Those are my concerns, and I think it's even harder 136 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,480 that we can't tell the future. And I worry that 137 00:08:31,519 --> 00:08:34,799 the damage done and even a short amount of time, 138 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:40,360 is going to take long decades to undo. If ever. 139 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:46,919 Absolutely a challenge that we have is how successful the 140 00:08:47,039 --> 00:08:51,919 right wing disinformation campaigns have been. The trans community is 141 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,799 a stellar example. Right They needed a villain, so they 142 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,360 concocted a bunch of stories about how the predators are 143 00:08:59,399 --> 00:09:01,759 waiting in the red rooms for your children, and your 144 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,279 kids go to school and come back a different gender, 145 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,840 and it's all part of woke culture. And they got 146 00:09:06,879 --> 00:09:10,320 people to freaking panic over a threat that doesn't exist. 147 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,080 And sadly, the trans community has probably is probably the 148 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,879 most marginalized in a strong field, the most marginalized and 149 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,159 vilified demographic in this country. Right now, my heart goes 150 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:22,840 out to Udine. 151 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 4: Thank you, all right. Now, I'm in a very good place, 152 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:29,639 and transition happened to be part of it. And I 153 00:09:29,879 --> 00:09:34,000 hate to think that the majority of the people in 154 00:09:34,039 --> 00:09:37,399 the United States, or even just in the government in general, 155 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:41,279 would be so hateful as to take my happiness and 156 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:41,879 ruin it. 157 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: I find it ironic that the people who are talking 158 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,600 about how they don't want government to meddle in their 159 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:52,919 lives now are using government to meddle in people's lives. 160 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,840 It's just the ultimate hypocrisy. All I know is that 161 00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:02,399 we're in it together. We'll see what happens, do our 162 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:05,159 best to react to it in a constructive way, and 163 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,960 try to humanize these issues when so many others are 164 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,840 trying to dehumanize. But big hug from me and my 165 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,000 family to you, Dean. 166 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,879 Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, And that is adorable that you got 167 00:10:16,879 --> 00:10:20,360 your cat and potentially your dogs to a rant for 168 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,360 your bed. And I'm sorry that you had such a 169 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,679 bad experience with the edibles. It's not everybody has a 170 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:28,120 good one. 171 00:10:30,919 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: Well, thanks, thank you so much. Thanks for your in 172 00:10:34,879 --> 00:10:38,559 my time of need. Your encouragement brings me great comfort. Dean, 173 00:10:38,639 --> 00:10:40,279 be good, have a good holiday. 174 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 5: Okay, I shall all right. 175 00:10:41,919 --> 00:10:44,799 Speaker 2: See you later. Of course, the context on that is 176 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,360 that I was having trouble sleeping friend gave me a 177 00:10:47,399 --> 00:10:50,000 gummy and it resulted in one of the worst nights 178 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:52,399 of my life. And then I said this on a 179 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,879 previous show, that I, in desperation, took some Nike will 180 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,360 and I slept really hard. But I dreamed that night 181 00:10:59,399 --> 00:11:02,720 I was playing tennis with Steven Spielberg. My dreams have 182 00:11:02,799 --> 00:11:09,120 been bizarre lately. Last night, no kidding, Last night, I 183 00:11:09,159 --> 00:11:12,879 had a dream that I was near the ocean in 184 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:17,200 this sort of rocky cove, and there were penguins all 185 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,279 around me, and it was time for the penguins to 186 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,360 step off of land, or waddle off of land and 187 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,919 jump into the water and swim off somewhere. And I 188 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,080 don't know where. They were just supposed to go. It 189 00:11:30,159 --> 00:11:34,519 was like a seasonal thing. It's migration time for these penguins, 190 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,080 and I was supposed to join them. I don't know 191 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:42,279 if I was a guide or just following. Was I curious, 192 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,080 But in order for me, in order for me to 193 00:11:46,159 --> 00:11:49,759 be able to go on the penguin quest, I had 194 00:11:49,799 --> 00:11:59,279 to be painted. I had to be painted like a penguin, 195 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:05,200 black and white, I did the sort of penguin tuxedo paint. 196 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:10,519 I think I had swim trunks on and they had 197 00:12:10,519 --> 00:12:13,159 to paint me, and so they I didn't actually make 198 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,080 it to the ocean before I woke up, but they 199 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,960 were taking these big like house paint brushes with black 200 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,679 and white, and they were painting me to resemble a penguin. 201 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,960 And then the idea was I was going to apparently 202 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,279 waddle in toward the shore, jump into the water, and 203 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,240 I was going to go off with all of my 204 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,720 little penguin buddies. You know, just bizarre. And I know 205 00:12:35,879 --> 00:12:39,279 some people who believe that dreams have some sort of 206 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:44,080 deep seated meaning. And I think dreams can reflect in 207 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,360 some ways how you're feeling, what's going on in your mind. 208 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,799 They can echo experiences of the day. But I don't 209 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:56,240 think dreams mean quote unquote mean things. You know, you 210 00:12:56,279 --> 00:13:00,320 take interpretations like you've been visited by the aura. You 211 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,679 ever met anybody and they see they interpret these wacky 212 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,039 dreams and say, m hmmm, what the universe is trying 213 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:12,080 to tell me is this. We used to have a 214 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:17,039 guy who did an evening broadcast on ninety six point 215 00:13:17,039 --> 00:13:21,600 five FM. They called him the dream doctor, and so 216 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,799 they play a song or two, and then the guy 217 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,840 would come on. He would take a call and the 218 00:13:26,879 --> 00:13:29,720 caller would talk about a dream they'd had. And then 219 00:13:29,799 --> 00:13:34,039 this dream doctor, who I would love to see his qualifications, 220 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,360 like where'd you get your degree? What's on your diploma? 221 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,679 How does one become a dream doctor? But anyway, he 222 00:13:40,639 --> 00:13:45,960 would tell the caller what deep meaning that dream had, 223 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,000 And I am sorry, I had a dream I was 224 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:53,159 swimming in an Olympic sized pool that was filled with 225 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,320 cottage cheese while I was wearing a two two? What 226 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,879 does that mean? Dream doctor? I just don't buy it. 227 00:14:02,919 --> 00:14:06,200 I think the brain is a blender. It just spits 228 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,960 things out. It might be able to tell you something 229 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,600 about your mindset, but it's not giving you meaning. I 230 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,639 was flying over the Grand Canyon. By the way, I 231 00:14:16,919 --> 00:14:21,679 was Richard Nixon. Can you tell me what that dream means? 232 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:22,159 Speaker 6: Oh? 233 00:14:22,519 --> 00:14:26,799 Speaker 2: No, no, Now, I think the brain is just weird. 234 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,840 It's interesting, it's fascinating, it's, for lack of a better word, 235 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,240 miraculous and its complexity, but it does not tell us 236 00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:37,799 who we are, or how to live or what to 237 00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:42,080 expect in this world through dreams. And if it did. 238 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:47,720 Holy snikes, I was drinking coffee in my dream and 239 00:14:47,759 --> 00:14:50,159 I looked down and swimming in the coffee was a 240 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,320 tiny little Gramlin and he only communicated through Morse code 241 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:58,759 by tapping on the ceramic. What does that mean? If 242 00:14:58,759 --> 00:15:01,360 there is deeper meaning in that, I should probably be 243 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:06,879 seeking some kind of help. I'm just saying I've got 244 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:11,720 Rosemary on a web call. Are you there hello? I 245 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:13,759 can indeed what's on your mind? Rosemary? 246 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 7: Gezi that there will be write next year because of 247 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:20,960 the policies, you know, trup's policies. 248 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: Do I think there will be riots next year? 249 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:26,159 Speaker 8: Uh? 250 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 5: Huh? 251 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:27,399 Speaker 4: I don't know. 252 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,559 Speaker 2: Everybody's asking me to predict the future. All I can 253 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,159 say is I'm nervous. I don't know what's going to happen. 254 00:15:34,399 --> 00:15:36,759 I don't know what crazy shit's going to come out 255 00:15:36,799 --> 00:15:39,639 of the White House. I don't know which demographic they're 256 00:15:39,679 --> 00:15:42,080 going to come after next and what the response will be. 257 00:15:42,679 --> 00:15:45,919 I don't know what the final cabinet is going to 258 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,639 look like. You know, oh, look there's so and so 259 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:52,600 and they're bad shit crazy, or they're a pseudoscience crank, 260 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,919 or they're loaded up with sexual abuse allegations. I don't 261 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:00,240 know what's going to happen, and so I fear that 262 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:04,600 there's going to be corruption, grift, there's going to be 263 00:16:04,679 --> 00:16:08,000 the normalization of cruelty, and that may include violence. But 264 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,679 I couldn't say. All I know is that, you know, 265 00:16:10,799 --> 00:16:13,240 my wife's got a T shirt that says love wins, 266 00:16:13,879 --> 00:16:16,399 and I sure we'd like love to win. But I'm 267 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:17,360 kind of nervous. 268 00:16:17,799 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 7: I embarros you that all your politicians now are just 269 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:28,519 full of my sexual abuses and felons and right shit 270 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:31,320 stain on your underpence of politics. 271 00:16:31,559 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, horrifying. Donald Trump, first of all, is stacking the 272 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:40,080 deck with billionaires, and secondly, I think he just wants 273 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,240 to burn it all down. He wants to weaponize it 274 00:16:43,279 --> 00:16:45,559 against his enemies, and then he just wants to burn it. 275 00:16:45,559 --> 00:16:48,559 He didn't give a shit. So whatever helps him have 276 00:16:48,919 --> 00:16:52,360 and cloister and consolidate power, he's going to do. But 277 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:54,399 I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen. 278 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,000 I'm going to buckle up. I'm going to try to 279 00:16:57,039 --> 00:16:59,720 reset my brain. A lot of people have checked out. 280 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,799 I'm just so tired, and I understand it. But thanks 281 00:17:02,799 --> 00:17:06,200 for checking in on us, Rosemary You're much appreciated. 282 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 7: Thank you, Bye. 283 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 2: Bye, I see you later. It's a lot, isn't it. 284 00:17:12,519 --> 00:17:15,079 I don't think we're made to process all of this. 285 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:18,079 I get overwhelmed, and so I check out and do 286 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,559 other things, and then I feel guilty because I need 287 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:22,680 to be engaged in the world, and I log on 288 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:25,839 and I'm filled with despair and dread, and so I 289 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,920 check out and distract myself again, and it's a vicious cycle. 290 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,839 I saw a Psychology Today article that was published a 291 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:39,519 few years ago, Five Ways to deal with Despair that 292 00:17:39,599 --> 00:17:44,079 Won't Go Away. It's kind of a poorly headlined article, 293 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,640 five ways to deal with Despair that Won't go Away 294 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:52,559 as a poor phrasing. Five ways to deal with unrelenting 295 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,799 despair perhaps would be a better way to phrase it. 296 00:17:55,799 --> 00:17:58,599 But I was curious because I feel despair. Maybe you 297 00:17:58,759 --> 00:18:03,319 do as well. This article was written by a psychologist 298 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:09,000 named Sean Grover. Sean said number one, take your despair 299 00:18:09,279 --> 00:18:13,200 for a walk. Once a day. Try your best to 300 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,799 get out of the house for some fresh air. A 301 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:20,680 brisk walk raises your metabolism, boosts indorphins, and will give 302 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,960 you much needed headspace, shaking off tension and gaining some 303 00:18:25,079 --> 00:18:28,279 vitamin D can also offer some relief. That's going to 304 00:18:28,279 --> 00:18:31,400 be tough in the month of December and into January 305 00:18:32,039 --> 00:18:36,480 in specific parts of the country. Oh it's minus nine degrees. 306 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,880 Let's get out for fresh airs. Maybe a bit utopian, 307 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:46,279 but usable when the warmer weather returns. Number two, Give 308 00:18:46,319 --> 00:18:51,279 your sorrow words. When I can't find the words for sadness, 309 00:18:51,759 --> 00:18:55,160 I always turn to poets and writers who are masters 310 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:00,480 at capturing elusive feelings. Finding the words for your despairs 311 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:05,880 comfort and solace, As Shakespeare wrote in Macbeth, give sorrow words. 312 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,880 The grief that does not speak knits up the or 313 00:19:10,079 --> 00:19:17,079 wrought heart and bids it break. Number three, honor your despair. 314 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,480 Please don't deny it, don't push it away. When you 315 00:19:21,559 --> 00:19:24,960 acknowledge your despair, you take away some of its power 316 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:30,599 over you. Oh yeah, I acknowledge you despair. I see 317 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:35,559 you despair. The article finishes that paragraph with, for example, 318 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,519 a friend who was struggling said to me, today is 319 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:41,000 a dark day. I think I need to be alone. 320 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,039 I understood what he meant and was glad he shared 321 00:19:44,079 --> 00:19:48,599 his true feelings rather than perform feeling better. When he 322 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:55,079 honored his despair, I could too. Number four, seek out fellowship. 323 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,319 Now this is a loaded word, but we'll call it community, 324 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,680 all right. In the church we call it fellowship, But 325 00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:06,640 all right, I'll go there. Community human connection. Isolation fuels despair. 326 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:12,440 Seek out the company of people who share your experience. Now, 327 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,559 for the record, in my case, that is going to 328 00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:18,279 be you. It's going to be Natalie, and it's going 329 00:20:18,319 --> 00:20:20,200 to be you. So, whether you like it or not, 330 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:27,039 you are my despair buddy. Okay. Number five, Avoid toxic positivity. 331 00:20:28,039 --> 00:20:30,880 A patient in her weekly session shared with me that 332 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,000 a friend cheerfully told her don't worry, everything will work 333 00:20:35,079 --> 00:20:39,720 itself out. These may seem like comforting words, they had 334 00:20:39,759 --> 00:20:43,519 the opposite effect. I know he meant well, she said, 335 00:20:43,559 --> 00:20:46,440 but I felt the strong urge to punch him in 336 00:20:46,559 --> 00:20:50,119 the face. Her chronic illness was not going to work 337 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,880 itself out. Such phrases like everything happens for a reason 338 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,480 are insensitive to those who are truly suffering. Life's most 339 00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:03,640 devast problems may be helped by a positive attitude, but 340 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:09,279 can't be solved by one. Toxic positivity from others feels 341 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:15,640 insulting when you're faced with insurmountable grief. I think that 342 00:21:15,759 --> 00:21:18,000 lines up with people, and we've all felt this when 343 00:21:18,039 --> 00:21:21,559 you're going through the blues, you've got maybe seasonal or 344 00:21:21,599 --> 00:21:24,599 some other kind of depression, or you're going through something 345 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,119 kind of rough, and people say, you know, there's so 346 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,920 much good in your life. What do you have to 347 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,880 be sad about? Cheer up, little camper, Buck up, because 348 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,319 the sun is shining and it's a beautiful day, and 349 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,880 you have so much to be thankful for. And I 350 00:21:42,079 --> 00:21:44,920 feel what this woman felt. I just want to punch 351 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,839 him in the face. Oh you're interested in tools and 352 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,480 tactics to help me feel better. Let me slap you. 353 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,960 And I normally don't resort to violence. It's just a fantasy, 354 00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:02,200 but I know you felt it. Oh, it's such a 355 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:12,119 beautiful life. I know you've fantasized about it. I know it. 356 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,759 More calls and commentaries on the end of twenty twenty 357 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:29,839 four and the impending new year. We continue next. If 358 00:22:29,839 --> 00:22:32,799 you want to give a Christmas gift to your humble host, 359 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,240 please consider becoming a patron. It's just a huge thing. 360 00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:39,920 It helps me to do this full time. It matters. 361 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,640 You get the show two days early in commercial free, 362 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,720 if you get a special rss feed. Some people decide 363 00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:47,920 they don't even need that, they just want to support 364 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,720 via Patreon, but for twenty twenty five, it would be 365 00:22:51,839 --> 00:22:56,559 most welcome if you would sign up at patreon dot com. 366 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:03,119 Slash Seth Andrews Katie at age six ' three, Thanks 367 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,279 for waiting on me. Are you there? I am talk 368 00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:08,759 to me. What do you want to chat about today? 369 00:23:09,279 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 3: So over Thanksgiving, when I went home to visit my 370 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,720 primarily conservative family members, I kept a list of some 371 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,599 of the crazy shit that I heard them say, and 372 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,279 I wondered if I could read the highlights off to 373 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,079 you just to hear your response to it, because I'm curious. 374 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,799 Speaker 2: I am a quiver with anticipation. Katie, let me have it. 375 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 5: Okay. 376 00:23:35,839 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 3: So the first one, I've got my older sister who 377 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,119 is kind of a big anti vaxxor. She claimed that 378 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:51,319 Fauci profited greatly off of remdezaviar and he basically made 379 00:23:51,319 --> 00:23:54,440 the hospital use it to help cure COVID because he 380 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:55,960 greatly profited off of it. 381 00:23:56,559 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: I heard the same conspiracy theory about doctor Peter Hotez, 382 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,559 who then I think went on Twitter and said something about, well, 383 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:07,400 here's what my income is. You know, you literally got 384 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,000 out in front of it and it didn't make any 385 00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:12,640 difference because the anti vaxers weren't listening anyway. That's crazy. 386 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, And she also overall claimed that hospitals made so 387 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,960 much money during COVID, which I don't know exactly what 388 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,880 her suggestion is there, you know, like that she think 389 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,240 hospitals made it worse or created it in the first 390 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,200 place so that people would have to pay money to 391 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:30,559 be there. 392 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 4: I don't know. 393 00:24:31,599 --> 00:24:34,599 Speaker 2: This speaks to one of the major challenges that we 394 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,920 have because more than one thing can be true at 395 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,279 the same time. So baked into a lot of anti 396 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:47,079 vax conspiracy theories is the reality that for profit hospitals 397 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,880 were often overcharging and there are mistakes made and there 398 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,119 can be corruption. It's like talking about big pharma. Yes, 399 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,759 the pharmaceutical industry is made up of human beings, many 400 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:03,359 of whom are scientists and who are wanting to be 401 00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:06,759 a part of our solutions. At the same time, these 402 00:25:06,759 --> 00:25:11,519 are massive for profit organizations with huge bank accounts and 403 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:16,200 influence and lobbyists, etc. So it's easy when someone says 404 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,160 big pharma is manufacturing the COVID crisis to make money 405 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,240 because we know that big pharma is problematic and it 406 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,880 speaks to something in our gut, and we're like, yeah, 407 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,359 that feels intuitive, but it doesn't negate the fact that 408 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,799 we had morget trucks just a few years ago with 409 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,920 bodies because we had no place to put the dead, 410 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,680 those who had perished from COVID. And it's very difficult, 411 00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:44,279 I think, to speak to those people. 412 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,599 Speaker 3: I totally agree. Another fun one, she told me that 413 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,519 she has seen about five videos proving Trump's claim that 414 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:55,839 immigrants are eating pets in Ohio. She told me that 415 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,720 she has seen multiple videos beyond just the one that 416 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:03,440 was debunked showing Haitian immigrants eating dogs and cats in Ohio. 417 00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:06,519 Speaker 2: Well, if it's on YouTube, it's got to be true, right, Katie. 418 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, you know. 419 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 420 00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 3: I don't know if I was brave enough to ask 421 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,119 her to send me these videos out of curiosity, but 422 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,000 you know, another one was, and I had forgotten his 423 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,079 name for a moment. I started talking about the crazy 424 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,039 televangelist who went on about getting into a tube full 425 00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:29,640 of demons referring to airplanes and that was why he 426 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,160 needed a private jet. And I found him and I 427 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,279 was like, oh, Kenneth Copeland, that's his name, and my 428 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,519 sister said, oh, I love Kenneth Copeland. 429 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 4: That was fun. 430 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: No, it was him and another evangelist named Jesse Do Plantis. 431 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,720 Now jesse do plant Is is wacky because he says he 432 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:48,079 went to heaven and he kind of God showed him around, 433 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,599 gave the grand tour, and then showed him Hell so 434 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,559 that jesse do Plantis could come back and warn us 435 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,680 all about how terrible Hell is. And then, of course 436 00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:00,279 jesse do Plantis sold that story at the end of 437 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:04,599 an offering plate on the order of decades. Kenneth Copeland 438 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,039 is the guy who literally blew COVID away. So he 439 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,960 did a service and he spoke to the virus and 440 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,480 he said COVID nineteen and then he went and he 441 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,640 exhaled the breath of God to kill COVID. He says, I, 442 00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:26,920 you had defeated COVID. You are defeated. And then two 443 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,799 million people died in the United States. So God apparently 444 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,079 was busy finding car keys and making rainbows anything else, Katie, 445 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:35,559 before I. 446 00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 3: Move on one more thing, she said that new research 447 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,319 shows that spanking children is actually good for them. 448 00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 2: All the corporal punishment arguments a hot when even in 449 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,640 the atheist community, should you spank your children? And I 450 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:55,119 used to be one of those people who thought, ah, 451 00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:58,559 you know, spank them on the butt, show them the boundaries, 452 00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:03,400 and make them, you know, feel consequences. They're not permanently injured. 453 00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:05,119 And I look back on it now and I think 454 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,519 it was such primitive thinking. I am not a parent, 455 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,400 but I have read some interesting research about how corporal 456 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,400 punishment can actually cause real damage and we need to 457 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,559 evolve our thinking. 458 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 3: Yes, I've read similar things, and I think my issue 459 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,279 is more the lack of willingness to progress as we 460 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,279 learn more and writing these things off as just you know, soft, 461 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,319 bleeding heart liberal ways of thinking, when actually it's people 462 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,799 doing real research in the psychology field trying to figure 463 00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:41,160 out how to do things better. 464 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 2: And it's hard when someone says, well, I was spanked 465 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:50,759 and I turned out fine, which is apparently scientific evidence 466 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,799 for the efficacy of spanking children. I don't buy that. 467 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,799 I think that's a pretty weak defense. Katie. I hope 468 00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:01,920 the rest of the year, such as it is, is 469 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,279 good for you, and no matter what happens, good things 470 00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:06,599 for you. In twenty twenty. 471 00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 3: Five, okay you as well, sir, Thank you so much. 472 00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 2: Be safe, see you later. Okay. I may have played 473 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,400 the clip, but I gotta play it again, the ken 474 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,680 Copeland prayer, you know where he killed COVID with his breath. 475 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,480 I gotta play this and then I'm gonna play you 476 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,279 one of the remixes because it's one of the greatest 477 00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:28,400 things in the universe. So this is Kenneth Copeland breathing 478 00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:34,279 COVID into extinction. This was in the spring of twenty twenty, 479 00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:48,160 COVID nineteen o ninety. The wind of gone of God 480 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:49,880 on you. 481 00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: On you. 482 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 8: You are destroying forever, a destroyed forever, and you will. 483 00:29:57,039 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 2: Never be back. You'll never be that. Yeah. Yeah, that 484 00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:08,680 did the trick well rightfully. The man was just roasted. 485 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,319 The internet went to work. And I think this is 486 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,640 my favorite remix of the Kenneth Copeland Prayer. I liked 487 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,519 it so much I almost made it my ring tone, 488 00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:22,559 and Natalie gave me a look which told me that 489 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,880 I probably shouldn't because of a driver crazy. Here's the remix. 490 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 8: Them sang Moses and the Children of Israel. 491 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 2: This song under the Lord. 492 00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:37,119 Speaker 4: Call it ninety. 493 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,599 Speaker 9: Call it ninety. 494 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,039 Speaker 4: From the date of to day of the Browns. 495 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 8: Man Texas and a triple park. 496 00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:57,839 Speaker 9: Is much fair. 497 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,079 Speaker 8: It burn this thing. 498 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:07,279 Speaker 2: This virus hates heat. You just burn this thing. Burn burn. 499 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,519 I called for a supernatural heat way straight out the hell. 500 00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:24,160 Burn burn. People have made this man obscenely wealthy. His 501 00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:27,839 net worth I think is seven hundred and fifty million 502 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:34,079 dollars tax free. He's got his own airstrip. And she 503 00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:39,440 mentioned the the Kenneth Copeland jet clip where he and 504 00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:44,720 Jesse do Plantus were excusing why they needed private aircrew. 505 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,440 You know what, I'm gonna play the clip. Let me 506 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,000 pull it up here real fast. This is these guys 507 00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:54,839 from how many years ago was it is probably five years, 508 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,880 six years and they're defending the fact that they need 509 00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:03,160 private jet that's worth I don't know, fifty million dollars. 510 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 10: Brother Coproenhaut was flying home from a meeting and I 511 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,720 had come out of a glorious meeting. I had just 512 00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:13,000 finded me in Cufflo Dollar were preaching, had a glorious meeting. 513 00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:15,200 So I was, for lack of a better way to 514 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,880 say it, I was spiritually high. 515 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,079 Speaker 2: I said, people were. 516 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 10: Saved, touch and blessed God in the plane that God 517 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:21,559 so graciously gave us. 518 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 2: We're flying home. 519 00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:25,599 Speaker 10: As I was going home, the Lord real quickly he said, 520 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:26,400 Jesse it, do you. 521 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,079 Speaker 2: Like your plane? 522 00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:28,319 Speaker 11: You know? 523 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,559 Speaker 10: I thought that's an odd statement he gave. 524 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 2: I said, well certainly, Lord. 525 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 10: He said, do you really like it? And I thought, 526 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,319 well yes, Lord, he said then he said this, So 527 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:38,880 that's it. 528 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 2: I didn't know how to handle it. 529 00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 12: It. 530 00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:44,319 Speaker 10: Man, what he said, You're gonna let your fate stagnate. 531 00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:46,759 And when he said that that shocked me. I went, 532 00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:49,640 whoa wait. I literally unbuckomed my seat belt my plane. 533 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,079 I stood up. My pilots looked and said do you 534 00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:53,960 need some But I said no, no, I'm talking to God 535 00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:58,039 right now. And he went back to flying. I said, Lord, 536 00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:01,400 I don't think I was letting my face stagnate. He said, 537 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,720 so this is all I could ever do. I said, 538 00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:07,880 you want You're trying to tell me something. He said, 539 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,000 go to the Book of Amos. So if you had 540 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,000 the Book of Amos, I want to read the scoop. 541 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 8: Yes, I say, you couldn't have done that on an airliner. 542 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,759 Speaker 2: No, sir, no way. Stand up and say. 543 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 8: What'd you say, Laura? 544 00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:18,839 Speaker 5: No? 545 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,079 Speaker 8: Okay, no, yeah, and the guy sitting older, sir, What 546 00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:23,480 the hell does he think he doing? 547 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,039 Speaker 2: He can't do you can't do that. No, No, this 548 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:27,279 is so important. 549 00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:29,119 Speaker 8: And those of you that are that are just now 550 00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:34,920 coming into these things in the first place, Jesse and 551 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,839 I and others Keith Moore and Kreflo and Oliver. The 552 00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:43,799 world is in such a shape. 553 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,119 Speaker 2: We can't get there without this. So we've got to 554 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:46,440 have this. 555 00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:49,839 Speaker 8: We would have the mess that the airlines are in today. 556 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,400 I would have to stop. I'm being very conservative at 557 00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:58,640 least seventy five to eighty, more like ninety percent of 558 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,079 what we're doing, because you can get there, come here. 559 00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 2: It's impossible. Well, the Lord works in mysterious ways, doesn't he. 560 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,719 Ken Copeland haimat Meta at Friendly Atheist refers to him 561 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,199 as a scam vangelist, and that is the best term 562 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,559 for him. That dude is grifting all the way to 563 00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:20,760 the bank. He is laughing, and in my opinion, he 564 00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:28,239 deserves our contempt. People have no shame. Andy at eight 565 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,599 zero one, are you there, hi, Seth. 566 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 11: I just wanted to call in and wish you and 567 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,719 now all the listeners a merry Christmas. 568 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,199 Speaker 2: I much appreciate that. 569 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,559 Speaker 11: I also wanted to take the moment to remind everyone 570 00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:45,199 that on Christmas Day, a great man was born many 571 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,360 years ago. Sir Isaac Newton was born December twenty fifth, 572 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,480 sixteen forty. 573 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,599 Speaker 2: Two, and we honor his memory and all the great 574 00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:57,519 sacrifices that he made to save humankind. Andy, a big 575 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,280 Christmas hello and hugs you and yours. I hope the 576 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,760 holidays are wonderful. Okay, thank you, all right, see you later. 577 00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:06,880 You know, a lot of people find it interesting that 578 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,679 atheists say Mary Christmas. You know, there's another wedge issue 579 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,639 and a total manufactured controversy that atheists want to kill Christmas. 580 00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:19,159 You're not allowed to say Christmas in public anymore, you know. 581 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,679 I think Trump ran on that thanks to me, you're 582 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,480 allowed to say Christmas again. What a load of horseshit. 583 00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:29,639 That is hell. Half the things we do are rooted 584 00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:32,800 in some kind of a mythology, are named for God's 585 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,559 days of the week, months of the year. How many 586 00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:40,719 other holidays have non Christian roots? And of course it's 587 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:46,119 always fun to see Christians with Christmas trees and missiletoe, 588 00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:50,920 the exchanging of gifts and Yule logs. And then we 589 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,239 can just point and say, oh Jesus, he's not exactly 590 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,440 the center of attention in your Christmas deck car And 591 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,920 then other people say they're gonna skip it all together. 592 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,920 You know the one thing about the holiday that just 593 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,880 gets me irritable. It's Christmas music that is either butchered 594 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,559 by pop stars or it's just too happy. I'm at 595 00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:17,559 home depot and I gotta buy light bulbs or something, 596 00:36:18,559 --> 00:36:20,679 and I walk in and it's the first thing I hear. 597 00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:22,920 I'm just there. I'm not in a bad mood. I'm 598 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,079 not in a great mood. I'm just doing my chores. 599 00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:28,840 I gotta get stuff done. And I hear this Sacraine 600 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:36,679 manufactured corporate cheer. The bells all over the recording sleigh 601 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:37,360 bells ring. 602 00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 4: Ah. 603 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,119 Speaker 2: You listening. You can hear the smile in their voice, 604 00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:44,440 like it's almost a creepy smile. Y in the lane, 605 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:53,559 snow is listening a beautiful sight. We're happy tonight. Stuff it. 606 00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:56,000 It has the reverse effect. It doesn't put me in 607 00:36:56,039 --> 00:37:01,159 a cheery mood. It just makes me irritable. I'm in Oklahoma. 608 00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:05,320 It's not a winter wonderland. It's just freaking cold. Secondly, 609 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,079 I just feel like I'm being force fed a holiday 610 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:15,800 by Spotify. Right, you ever feel that I like Christmas music? 611 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,559 Bring on the classics, some good instrumentals held. There's even 612 00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:24,000 a few religious songs I enjoy. I love the melody 613 00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:26,039 of Oh Holy Night. I'll go with it. 614 00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:26,280 Speaker 4: Right. 615 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean I believe it, but okay, but it's 616 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:38,119 that super cheery stuff. Stop it. I've got four to 617 00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:42,719 one zero. I do not see a name. Who's this? Oh? 618 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 3: This is madam who? 619 00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:44,639 Speaker 9: I said? 620 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 2: Hi there, welcome. What's on your mind today? 621 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 6: Oh? 622 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 9: I was just calling to see if you ever celebrate Festivus? 623 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 2: Festivus for the rest of us and the airing of grievances. 624 00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:02,320 Do you want to explain Festivus for those who are 625 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,519 to wear Yeah? 626 00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:04,039 Speaker 5: Sure. 627 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,280 Speaker 9: It is a holiday made up by the father of 628 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,719 a writer on Seinfeld. And what you do is you 629 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,880 sit around a pole and air your grievances, and then 630 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,480 you look for a minor miracle, and then you display 631 00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:25,039 great feets of strength. And it's not over till the 632 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,599 head of household is pinned. 633 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,159 Speaker 2: Wait, it's not over until the head of house What 634 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:31,440 until the. 635 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 9: Head of the household is pinned? 636 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:34,280 Speaker 2: Pin? 637 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,519 Speaker 9: I have a wrestling match. 638 00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:39,159 Speaker 2: I guess now, isn't it there instead of a tree, 639 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,840 a pole for Festivus? Is that right? 640 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 9: Yeah? Yeah, there's just just a poll. Yeah. 641 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 2: Do they decorate the pole or is it just a pole? 642 00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 9: I don't, It's just a pole. 643 00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. 644 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,199 Speaker 9: One time I had a Festivus party and I used 645 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,760 the stripper pole and we aired our grievances by just 646 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,119 sticky notes around the pole. 647 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 2: You just happen to have a stripper pole lying around 648 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,480 you just thought, well. 649 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 4: Let me go. 650 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,039 Speaker 9: Actually yeah, it was my sister in law. Yeah, it 651 00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:13,159 was crazy at the time. 652 00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm not judging. 653 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,039 Speaker 9: It was an exercise thing. 654 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have actually heard that. I have heard that 655 00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:28,199 work in the pole is great exercise. It's like a 656 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,800 full body I don't everybody's right now rolling their eyes, 657 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,159 but I have heard that the pole is a great workout. 658 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,920 So I'm totally on your page. 659 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 9: Well yeah, no, no, I don't know. I couldn't really 660 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,719 do it, so, you know, I just headed up. She 661 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,519 just needed to have it somewhere. Yeah, it was in 662 00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:47,960 my house. 663 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 2: Those who wish go and google Festivus and you will 664 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,559 see a Festivus pole and maybe a little form where 665 00:39:56,599 --> 00:39:59,960 you can air at your grievances. During the holiday season. 666 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,320 Speaker 9: Yeah, I finally wrote I've been trying for years to 667 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,920 write a Festa song, so I finally did it, and 668 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,559 I'm gonna mix it tonight and put it up online. 669 00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:13,039 But I also wanted to mention that since Christmas, these 670 00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:18,440 holidays are so stressful that recovering from religion is a 671 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:23,840 really good resource. I've become a helpline agent at recovering 672 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:29,400 from religion, and everybody needs to go there and you know, 673 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,400 just talk through stuff if you're having trouble. I wish 674 00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:36,079 that resource were around when I was deconstructing. 675 00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:39,119 Speaker 2: I feel the same. I wish I'd had somebody to 676 00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:41,960 call or had a chat line when I was going 677 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,400 through my exit. So that's good stuff, recovering from religion 678 00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:50,840 dot org. Enjoy your Festivus for the rest of us, 679 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,119 my friend, and be safe. 680 00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:54,639 Speaker 9: Okay, all right, thank god. 681 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,159 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm trying to stay in shape. We've started 682 00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:01,920 doing yoga, play a little tennis. I guess I could 683 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,000 try the pole, but I couldn't get away with the leggings. 684 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,159 I don't think you put leggings on me, be like 685 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,519 somebody jammed a bunch of footballs into pantyhose. And you 686 00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:16,960 don't want to see that. You just don't want to 687 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,599 see that, especially if you want an appetite, you know, 688 00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:22,679 if you've got a big meal coming up over the holidays. 689 00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:26,880 Eli at six one zero, Thanks for waiting. Are you there? 690 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 6: I'm here? Can you hear me? 691 00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 2: I can? Indeed, let's talk what's on your mind? 692 00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 6: I just wanted to say, well, first of all, I 693 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,039 told them to talk about different ways to celebrate Christmas 694 00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:40,000 and just how I go about that. But so many 695 00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:43,719 things I've heard from colors already, So when it comes 696 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,199 to a Christmas, I come from a very assorted family, 697 00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:51,559 everything from Nazis to people that said my name is 698 00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:55,719 too Jewish or black. And I've been a soft score 699 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,280 atheist for to or take twelve years and more of 700 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,079 a hard eightst for about four and I feel like 701 00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:07,400 adapting the hard a atheist title kind of made me 702 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,519 like Christmas more in a way. I don't know if 703 00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:12,159 that makes sense. 704 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,559 Speaker 2: Well, I'll explain it. Why do you like Christmas more? 705 00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 4: So? 706 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,199 Speaker 6: When I was a soft a atheist, I was just 707 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:26,280 generally irritated by Christmas and the celebration and oh god, 708 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,280 the music is awful. Not a single Christmas song I 709 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,039 find joy in, But ever since I adapted the Herd 710 00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:37,000 a atheist title, it almost let me ignore all of 711 00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:40,599 that and enjoy it for the social aspects. Best of 712 00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:43,400 us being a perfect example, I might have to get 713 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,480 my friends stripper pole out and looking use that. 714 00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:50,320 Speaker 2: But does everybody but me have a stripper pole around I? 715 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,199 Just where have I been? I'm so naive? So with a. 716 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 4: What are you doing? 717 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 2: Without all the religious baggage, just being able to make 718 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,119 it what it is on your terms, it's sort of 719 00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:04,119 liberating your holiday, is that what I'm hearing? 720 00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:05,199 Speaker 4: Absolutely? 721 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 6: And supic Thanksgiving, which has a strictly historical context, I 722 00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:13,679 can't even bring myself to celebrate that. But when it 723 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,639 comes to things like Christmas that's so deep rooted in 724 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,880 religious tradition that's kind of lost its meaning to a 725 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,480 lot of people, and that ended up being just a 726 00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:25,519 social tradition of giving gifts and getting together with the family. 727 00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:29,719 It's definitely been liberating, and I hope a lot of 728 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:35,039 people can actually move through and ignore the religious contexts 729 00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:39,639 and use that to better celebrate time with family and friends. 730 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,840 Speaker 2: Isn't it interesting that many of the people who celebrate 731 00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:47,159 the christ driven Christmas holiday. Most of the stuff they 732 00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:50,480 do is either pagan or just not religious, and that 733 00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:52,519 seems to be the stuff they love the most. I 734 00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:53,639 don't know if you've noticed that. 735 00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 6: Eli, absolutely, and I think one of the biggest things 736 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,000 as well is that you see all these expensive gifts 737 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,039 being thrown around, and what a more Christian thing not 738 00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:08,599 to be giving those to the poor, you know, doing 739 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,960 toy drives for poor children when working in the super 740 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,360 kitchen for the day. I feel like that's the more 741 00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:15,679 Christian thing to do. 742 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,280 Speaker 2: Good stuff. Great call, Eli, thanks for being a part 743 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:19,719 of the show. 744 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 6: Thank you see it later. 745 00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:26,599 Speaker 2: Now I've got that freaking Christmas song stuck in my head. 746 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,079 Speaker 12: I did it, did it? 747 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 2: I can't get it out. They call it an earbug 748 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,519 or an earworm. How do I get it out? I 749 00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:35,679 have heard that the only way to remove it is 750 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,599 to replace it with a different earworm. I need a 751 00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:43,039 different song. I don't know. I'm gonna think about it 752 00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:57,840 while I take a break. Be right back heading toward 753 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,760 the Christmas holiday and the end of twenty twenty four. 754 00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:06,159 As we just mostly talked together, taking your calls, I've 755 00:45:06,159 --> 00:45:09,800 got Matt. Matt, thanks for being a part of the show. 756 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,039 Speaker 4: Are you there, mill se Hi. This is Matt. You 757 00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:17,320 helped me with my dogs medical expenses a few years ago, 758 00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:19,840 if you remember now. 759 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,079 Speaker 2: I was glad to be a part of it. 760 00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:21,320 Speaker 9: Matt. 761 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 2: I hope you're doing well in your life. 762 00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:27,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry I wasn't able to thank you call 763 00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:31,039 you sooner, just to give you an update. My dog 764 00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:36,039 passed away, but he recovered and had over two more 765 00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:40,000 years in his life, which was which I'm very thankful 766 00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:44,360 for and I appreciate you helping me with that. He 767 00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:47,679 was over sixteen when he passed away, and I just 768 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:53,119 heard you talking about your cap and I just had 769 00:45:53,119 --> 00:46:00,039 a bit of warm feeling in my heart. So I 770 00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,880 just brought myself up to have the courage to call 771 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:03,280 you up. 772 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,159 Speaker 2: No, it means the world, it really does. And those 773 00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:09,400 two years are precious. You will have those for the 774 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,679 rest of your life. And I'm glad you baby, you 775 00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:16,840 had a loving home for those sixteen years. That's lovely stuff. 776 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,559 Thanks for calling, Matt, and have a merry Christmas. 777 00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,559 Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, and I hope you have more loving 778 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,119 years with your cat as well and your. 779 00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:27,599 Speaker 2: Family appreciate it. All right, We'll see you later. 780 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:28,599 Speaker 4: Thank you very much. 781 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,800 Speaker 2: Mark, of all the technology in the world, can we 782 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,880 invent something to extend the life of pets? Can I 783 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,719 give Kat another decade or two? You know, of good health, 784 00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:44,840 like an elixir of some kind of life extending feeline elixir. 785 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,280 Because I do love him and he loves me. He's 786 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,920 he's a good key. There is no feeling like when 787 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,079 I'm laying back and I'm kind of in bed and 788 00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:57,960 just kind of chilling, and he jumps up and he 789 00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:02,960 likes to lay on my chain and he's the loudest perr. 790 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:03,400 Speaker 4: It's just. 791 00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:09,320 Speaker 2: And he'll even I think when he's sleeping, he's still purring, 792 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,280 and it just knocks me out. It's so peaceful. It's 793 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,960 like my moment of zen is little kitty therapy, you know, 794 00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:19,760 and the idea of that not being there, and that's 795 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,719 not He sleeps next to my head, and even when 796 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:27,320 he turns into a little asshole, he's still my kitty boy. 797 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,320 You know what I'm saying. Gina at six one five, 798 00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:33,599 Hi are you there? 799 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:34,480 Speaker 12: Hey? 800 00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,159 Speaker 5: Thanks for taking my call. You just cracked me up. 801 00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:39,920 Speaker 12: I met you a few years back when you were 802 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,280 in Nashville giving a talk to the atheist group here, 803 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,840 and I just want to say, this time of year 804 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,280 just really gets under my skin. And I don't know 805 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,159 if you are one like I am. I'll go into 806 00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:56,840 these big box stores and I'll start getting almost like 807 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,920 a panic attack because I see all the stuff for 808 00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:03,960 sale and I just think a landfill. That's all I 809 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,480 can think of, And so I have to get myself 810 00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:09,800 out really quick. And the fact that at Halloween time 811 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,559 they have Christmas stuff up it drives me nuts. No, like, 812 00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:15,639 we can't have just one season at a time. 813 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,079 Speaker 2: Abomination. You walk into a store in September and there 814 00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:23,719 are Christmas trees and Santa Clausas and shit, no, this 815 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,679 should be there should be criminal charges filed. 816 00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:31,000 Speaker 12: And also on my street, putting up Christmas before Thanksgivings 817 00:48:31,039 --> 00:48:33,400 even over that drives me nuts too. 818 00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:37,480 Speaker 2: Criminal charges should be filed. I'm sorry, Gina, you hit 819 00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:40,639 a button. You hit a button with me. You cannot 820 00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:45,239 put Christmas stuff out when it's September, even August. It's 821 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,719 just an abomination. Go ahead, What else do you have for. 822 00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:48,880 Speaker 4: Me to you? 823 00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:49,880 Speaker 5: It's awful. 824 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,400 Speaker 12: Well, my husband happened to have the TV on and 825 00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:57,480 he put on the Bishop's Wife and I had seen 826 00:48:57,519 --> 00:48:59,760 it a long time ago, but I decided I'd go 827 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,320 ahead and watch it with him, and I really enjoyed it. 828 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:08,519 And it's so religious, but it just had a good message, 829 00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:13,079 and for me, because there is so much consumerism and 830 00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:16,760 I'm always wanted to say, when is enough enough? I 831 00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:20,679 just really liked a more simple message of just the 832 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,199 idea of being good to one another? 833 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,480 Speaker 2: Can I sow fast? I don't know what the bishop's 834 00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:30,639 wife is. I just pulled it up on Wikipedia. Is 835 00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:33,960 this the nineteen forty seven Carrie Grant movie? 836 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,440 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's awesome. All the old movies are to me. 837 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,440 Speaker 2: Is it like it's a wonderful life kind of thing 838 00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:43,719 or a miracle on thirty fourth Street? 839 00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:44,559 Speaker 9: Yeah? 840 00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:47,760 Speaker 12: Yeah, Well Carrie Grant sent down because the bishop is 841 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,199 having a kind of a crisis of this woman is 842 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,559 wanting to give his church a facelift. Basically, who's wanting 843 00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:58,000 to give all this money to him in honor of. 844 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 5: Her husband that she never really loved. You need to 845 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:00,840 watch it. 846 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,199 Speaker 12: And the angel comes down to kind of redirect the 847 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:09,480 bishop to what's really important, and he kind of flirts 848 00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:12,599 with the wife and he and the bishop gets all 849 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:13,480 upset with that. 850 00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:14,719 Speaker 5: It's just a great both. 851 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,320 Speaker 2: Wait wait a minute, so he doesn't watched it. Wait 852 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,760 a minute, the angel is flirting with the man's wife. 853 00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:24,719 Speaker 12: Yeah, because you know, as an angel, he just well, 854 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,119 you got to watch it. And of course you know 855 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,639 you can tell she's really getting feeling for him. But no, 856 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,360 it's wrong, and of course Carrie Grant's character as an angel. 857 00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:35,280 Speaker 5: Knows it's wrong. Nothing ever happens. 858 00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:39,039 Speaker 12: But it's just a really feel good movie about what 859 00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:44,159 it really means to be in family and. 860 00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:46,119 Speaker 9: Just you know, it's just great. 861 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:47,159 Speaker 5: You need to watch it. 862 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 2: Okay, the bishop's wife, I've made a note. I appreciate 863 00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:55,039 the heads up on that. Thanks for calling. It's good 864 00:50:55,039 --> 00:50:58,159 to hear your voice. Gina, have a wonderful holiday. We'll 865 00:50:58,199 --> 00:50:58,760 see you later. 866 00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:00,159 Speaker 5: Thank you, you you. 867 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:05,199 Speaker 2: I'd say bye. Like the angels putting the moves on 868 00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:10,800 the guy's wife, I guess it's not impossible. Then you 869 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,880 have to ask the question, are angels fully functional? Mayfe 870 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,000 you know what I mean, But in the Old Testament 871 00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:21,440 didn't have fallen angels. They came down to earth and 872 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,679 they had sex with earthly women to make the nephlum. 873 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:29,000 So if we go by biblical logic, I mean, Carrie Grant, 874 00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:31,800 if he's from the biblical heaven, you know, he and 875 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,320 the wife would have kind of I'm just saying. I'm 876 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,119 just saying that would have been a miracle on thirty 877 00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:47,679 fourth Street. Oh yeah, alrighty. We're gonna do Christmas kind 878 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,519 of on our own terms. We don't do a ton 879 00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:55,360 of accouterments. We are very much the family we choose, 880 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,440 and I do include you in that because this community 881 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,719 for me is family. It is one of those wonderful, 882 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,679 precious gifts for me. I know it sounds corny when 883 00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:07,519 I say it, but I really do mean it, you know. 884 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,800 I sometimes we'll find myself in the vicinity of people 885 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,239 who they love me, but they don't fully accept me 886 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,119 or respect me for who I am. And yet I 887 00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:22,400 can come here and even when challenged, even when we disagree, 888 00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:25,599 and when we are very different in who we are. 889 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,079 It's not about conformity. It's about who are you? Who 890 00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:33,000 do you want to be? Be yourself on your terms 891 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,920 without apology. We've got your back and I've always felt 892 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,360 that here and I hope you feel it from me 893 00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:41,360 as well. I think an authentic life is the gift 894 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:46,159 we can give to ourselves every single day of the year, 895 00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,559 and whatever the new year holds, let's keep on in 896 00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:54,960 the meantime. Merry Christmas and I'll see you next time. 897 00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:05,920 Speaker 4: St.