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Speaker 1: Okay, imagine this. You're in a physics lab, right, and

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there are these two really high energy experiments going on

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at the same time, but they're both going wrong, spectacularly

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wrong actually, and in ways that completely contradict each other.

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Speaker 2: That's a pretty good analogy for what's happening right now

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up here our sun exactly.

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Speaker 1: We've got these two celestial objects, both hanging out near

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the Sun, and both are behaving in ways that well,

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they really challenge what we thought we knew about comments.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of them, this visitor from interstellar space. It

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was supposed to be fading out.

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Speaker 1: Quiet, right, but instead instead.

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Speaker 2: It's violently erupting. We're talking hypersonic jets of plasma. It's

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shining way way brighter than any of.

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Speaker 1: The models, wildly brighter. And then, almost like cosmic timing,

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there's this second object.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the disappearing act. Right in our line of

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sight to the first big event, This small, probably very

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volatile body just pops up, gets catalog briefly, then bam,

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over just a few days it vanishes completely gone, like

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a cosmic magic trick on a massive scale, millions of miles.

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Speaker 1: So that's what we're diving into today. We've got some

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really compelling new data just out Actually, we want to

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move past just you know, speculating and really analyze these

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highly unusual observations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, looking at this unique interstellar material, how it's interacting

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with the Sun's energy. It's fascinating stuff.

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Speaker 1: We'll unpack the physics, the really bizarre timing of it all,

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and what these anomalies might mean for you, you know,

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the listener who wants to understand what's actually going on

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Speaker 2: Our sources are mainly observations from today, November eighth. We're

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focusing on this third interstellar object we've tracked. It's called three.

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Speaker 1: Atlists, the interstellar Visitor.

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Speaker 2: And this other one that vanished C. Twenty twenty five

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V one Borisov. Yeah, we're going to use them to

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sort of open a door into understanding the really high

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energy electromagnetic reality of our solar neighborhood. Okay, let's dig

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's start with three iyatlists, the interstellar vi. That

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three eyed designation is key, right, It tells us this

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is only the third confirmed interstellar object we've ever cataloged.

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Speaker 2: That's right, third one, and based on its path, we

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had certain expectations, but the latest observations show this sudden,

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really violent activation.

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Speaker 1: Astronomers are literally saying it has suddenly begun erupting jets

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of plasma. That doesn't sound like gentle outgassing, No, not

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Speaker 2: Erupting is the word it implies, you know, a focused,

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intense release, not just a general fizzing. And when you

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look at the new images, and hats off to the

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teams analyzing this, like Michael Jurger's group, you see this complexity.

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Speaker 1: It's not the classic comet tale picture we all have

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in our heads, not even close.

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Speaker 2: We're not seeing that simple smooth tail pointing away from

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the sun that's your textbook comment. What we are seeing

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is way more complicated, multiple features, you mean exactly. It's

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either multiple tales, which could mean it's breaking up inside,

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or and this seems more likely, it's multiple distinct jets

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of the ass dust and plasma shooting out from specific

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spots on the nucleus hypersonic jets.

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Speaker 1: Wow, how many are we talking?

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Speaker 2: The latest analysis clearly shows at least five distinct jets,

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Speaker 1: Okay, so picture this spinning rock and instead of a

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graceful tail, it's like a chaotic lawn sprinkler shooting stuff

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Speaker 2: Kind of yeah, more like a pinwheel maybe. But why

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does that matter? Why do these multiple jets tell us

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something's unusual about its physics? Good question, Well, it points

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to inconsistencies, either in what it's made of or how

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it's built. Normally, a comet heats up evenly on the

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side facing the sun right, so you get one main tail.

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it suggests specific failure points. Maybe some spots darker, absorb

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heat faster, or more likely the inside is really porous,

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like a sponge with different vents, and pressure builds up

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and bam, these vents just blow open.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that makes the structure sound weird. But the timing

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is the really peculiar part, isn't it. This huge eruption

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is happening now, uh huh late. It already passed perihelium,

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the moment of maximum heat that's already passed.

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Speaker 2: That's the core anomenally, Yeah, the big physical show These

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amazing jets got delayed, and we know the solar environment

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Speaker 1: Up right, We've been in a very active solar period.

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Speaker 2: One of the most active in Solar cycle twenty five. Recently.

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where Atlas was heading was going to get slammed in

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ten solar wind radiation, big solar storms.

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Speaker 1: Which started hitting around October twenty first.

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so it soaked up all this energy input maximum bombardment.

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Speaker 2: That's another key point the viewing geometry. Right now from Earth,

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only see it just before sunrise, okay, which means that

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most of the tail structure, the stuff being pushed away

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from the Sun, is angled behind the main body. From

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our perspective, it's skewed.

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Speaker 1: So even with these five obvious jets.

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higher than these images suggest.

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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, if we're only seeing part of the physical stuff, now,

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does that help explain why people were confused about its

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brightness earlier? Before the jets are so obvious?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, people were already scratching their heads because it was

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way brighter than expected, even when it didn't seem to

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predicted it should look like magnitude eleven right now, and

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Speaker 1: Okay, magnitude eleven predicted, what are we actually seeing?

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Speaker 2: The measurements today are consistently putting it between magnitude nine

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five times brighter. So if we're conservative comparing eleven to

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Speaker 2: It's closer to five times brighter.

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Speaker 1: How does that work on what's essentially like a big,

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melts slow from the outside end. But if you have

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a snow cone, or maybe like a frozen sponge with

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Speaker 2: So for three atlists. Maybe it's structure. Let the heat

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things like carbon monoxide, methane, water ice. It took time

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Speaker 1: Well, once they did, they.

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Speaker 2: Turned a gas super rapidly explosively sublimation yea, and that

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caused this delayed spectacular eruption we're seeing now. Basically became

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a delayed action cosmic geyser. Okay, so while Atlas is

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putting on this crazy light show, we've got this other puzzle,

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the second anomaly C. Twenty twenty five v one boris

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regular comet from our own solar system, unlike Atlas, which

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Speaker 2: Its story was way more dramatic and much shorter, extremely short.

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Speaker 1: It was only spotted a few days ago, right around

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Speaker 2: Yeah, brand new discovery, and then within days pooh, it

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seemed to just completely disintegrate. Vanish just wrinked out of existence,

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it truly bizarre is where it was when this happened.

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Speaker 1: It's position relative to Atlas precisely.

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Speaker 2: Initially, astronomers were scrambling a bit to nail down its orbit.

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it was just this faint, fuzzy spot with no real tail.

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Speaker 2: We really have to stress how improbable This alignment was

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This little comet V one Borisov was positioned almost perfectly

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Speaker 1: Wait, really, like if you drew a straight line from Earth.

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Speaker 2: To Atlas V one Borisov was sitting right on that line.

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Speaker 1: WHOA Okay, the Solar System is mind bogglingly huge for

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this highly anticipated interstellar object, that feels like more than

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Speaker 2: It definitely raises eyebrows, doesn't it? It makes you question

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Speaker 1: What was its calculated path?

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Speaker 1: Was it going the same way as Atlas? No?

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Speaker 2: Totally different. Initial calculations suggested its orbit was almost perpendicular

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to Atlas's path, and its pear helium its closest pass

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Speaker 1: Mid November, but it disappeared now around the eighth Well.

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Speaker 2: One calculation did put its perihelium right around November eighth,

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pretty much exactly when it vanished, which suggests it was

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's lay out the options for people listening.

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Speaker 2: Option one is the simplest physics. Yeah. V one Borisov

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hit pearihlium. The heat just overwhelmed it and it completely

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fell apart, turned into dust and gas that spread out

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's plausible, requires no weirdness. But then there's option

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that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Why should we even consider something else? Because the sheer

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Speaker 1: So option two suggests it wasn't just the Sun's heat.

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Speaker 2: Option two raises questions about maybe some kind of non

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gravitational interaction. Could V one Borisov, sitting right in the path,

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have been hit by an extreme localized electromagnetic shockwave, something

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Speaker 1: Like the energy field around Atlas literally blasted it apart.

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Speaker 2: Or accelerated its disintegration. Yeah, if Atlas's magnetic field was supercharged,

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the Rousetta comet during a storm. Okay, that intense field

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especially if it was already starting to outgas.

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Speaker 1: And ionize, So it wasn't just heat, it was maybe

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electromagnetically dispersed or ionized right out of visibility by Atlas's powerful,

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Speaker 2: It's a possibility. It paints a picture of that specific

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Speaker 1: Okay. To really get why Atlas's activation is so well violent,

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Speaker 2: Right? It comes down to the materials. These are highly

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volatile ices CO two CO two carbon monoxide, cyanagen, cn,

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water ice. When that intense solar energy finally reaches them

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deep inside, they don't just melt, No, they sublimate solid

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straight to gas. And it's not gentle. It's rapid, almost explosive.

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Speaker 1: And crucially, Atlas is tiny. It doesn't have much gravity.

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Speaker 2: Virtually none. Yeah, unlike a planet. It can't hold onto

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this stuff, the gas, the dust grains, once they're free,

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they just blore last outwards in incredible speeds. They carry

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away the object's mass. Gravity is basically irrelevant here. It's

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all thermodynamics, heat and kinetics that outward expansion.

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Speaker 1: So the material escapes, but then it enters this hostile

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solar environment near the Sun and it lights up forms

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the coma and tails we see. That's ionization.

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Speaker 2: That's ionization exactly. It's the process that gives the material

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an electric charge, and once it's charged, it can interact

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with the Sun's magnetic field and the solar wind. That's

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what makes it visible and shapes the tails.

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Speaker 1: And this happens in a few different ways, primarily three ways.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they all work together to light up allasts.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what's the first one?

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Speaker 2: The basic one first is just photoonization, simple light bombardment.

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High energy photons. Particles of light from the Sun hit

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the gas atoms or molecules.

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Speaker 1: And knock electrons off.

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Speaker 2: Yep, knocks an electron off, leaves the particle with a

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positive charge. Ionized. Happens constantly wherever sunlight hits matter.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what about the solar wind itself. That's not light, that's.

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Speaker 2: Particle, right, that's the second mechanism, charge inzation, sometimes called

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charge exchange. The solar wind is this supersonic stream of

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charged particles, mostly protons and electrons, flying out from the Sun. Okay,

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they slam into the neutral gas expanding from Atlas, and

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they can either knock electrons off or literally swap charges.

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It's a much more energetic way to ionize the material.

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Speaker 1: Makes sense. And the third way you said, the environment

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itself plays a role.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, general ionization, because the whole area near the Sun

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is swimming in these free high energy electrons leftovers from

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other processes, bouncing all over. They bump into the cometary

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gas too, causing more ionization. So the moment that ancient

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material escapes Atlas, it starts getting electrified from multiple.

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Speaker 1: Angles and all this charge material. This plasma creates a

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complex structure around the comet itself. Right. You mentioned layers,

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neutral sheet, ionopause.

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Speaker 2: Comma pause, bowshock.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Think of Atlas as this little source spewing out gas

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into the oncoming hurricane of the solar wind. The ionization

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creates these distinct bunlayer.

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Speaker 1: Okay, walk us through them.

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Speaker 2: Closest in closest to the nucleus, you have the neutral

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sheet or innercoma, mostly gas that hasn't been ionized yet.

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As it expands and gets charged, it forms the ionol pause.

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That's kind of the edge of the comet's own sphere

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of influence, where its outward pressure starts pushing back just

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a little against the solar wind.

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Speaker 1: And then the komma pause. That sound important, That's crucial.

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Speaker 2: The comma pause is the magnetic boundary. It's where the

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solar wind's magnetic field lines carried by the plasma, encounter

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the denser cometary plasma and can't easily penetrate, so they pile.

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Speaker 1: Up like a traffic jam for magnetic fields.

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Speaker 2: Exactly like that, the field lines get compressed, draped around

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the comet, and the magnetic field strength right there at

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the chemopause gets much much stronger. It forms a magnetic barrier.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And the outermost layer that's.

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Speaker 2: The bowshock because the solar wind is moving supersonically faster

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than the speed of magnetic waves in that plasma. When

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it first hits the obstacle of the comet's extended atmosphere,

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it creates a shock wave like the sonic boom from

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a jet but for plasma.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, So you've got these layers, this magnetic barrier,

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the comopause. Now connect that back to the crazy solar

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activity Atlas flew through. You mentioned magnetic field strength data.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Normally that magnetic barrier at the cameopause is maybe

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around fifty nanotesla. That's the unit of magnetic field strength

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enough to divert some solar wind.

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Speaker 1: But the Rosetta mission saw something different during a solar storm,

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didn't it. It orbited Commet sixty seven P for years.

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Speaker 2: That was game changing data. Rosetta was right there when

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a single powerful solar storm hit sixty seven PE, and

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it measured the magnetic field of the cameopas spiking how

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high from the typical fifty nanotesla all the way up

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to three hundred nanotesla.

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Speaker 1: Whoa six times stronger from just one storm six times.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the solar storm basically supercharged the entire electromagnetic environment

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around the comet.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but three i Alis didn't just get hit by

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one storm. It flew through a whole barage of them

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big ones during one of the most active solar periods

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recently exactly.

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Speaker 2: So if one storm can boost the field strength sixfold,

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what must the magnetic environment around Atlas have been like?

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What must it still be like?

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Speaker 1: To some extent, it must have been massively supercharged, maybe unprecedentedly.

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Speaker 2: So that's the unavoidable conclusion. Yeah, and this insanely strong

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magnetic field changes everything. It doesn't just gently deflect the

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solar wind anymore.

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Speaker 1: So is it do?

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Speaker 2: It traps and channels the ionized cometary material much more effectively.

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It creates this zone of intense energy exchange between the

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solar wind plasma and the comet's own plasma. It dramatically

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accelerates the material loss, forces those powerful jets out, and

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creates that huge brightness we're seeing. It's like an electromagnetic

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pump violently extracting material from the comet. So now we

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understand how it's happening, this violent injection. But we have

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to step back and consider what is being ejected. This

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is interstellar stuff, right.

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Speaker 1: Material that didn't form with our Sun and planets, truly ancient,

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potentially extragalactic material being sprayed into our inner Solar system.

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That's profound, it really is.

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Speaker 2: And when we think about where it came from, we're

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talking deep time, vast distances.

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Speaker 1: Do we have any idea of the.

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Speaker 2: Origin, not precisely. If it's on a hyperbolic path, meaning

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it's not bound to our Sun, it could be from

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a relatively nearby star system. Say if it came from

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the vicinity of Bernard's Star, even traveling incredibly fast, that

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journey might have taken maybe thirty thousand years.

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Speaker 1: Thirty thousand years just floating through the void.

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Speaker 2: And that's a nearby star. It could be much older,

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much more distant.

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Speaker 1: Like from another galaxy.

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Speaker 2: It's possible it could be a truly nomadic object, maybe

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kicked out of its home galaxy a billion maybe two

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billion years ago, traveling through the incredibly thin medium between

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galaxies ever since. Compared to our four point five billion

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year old Solar system, this stuff is a genuine relic.

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It might carry chemical fingerprints from a completely different era

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of the universe.

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Speaker 1: And traveling through that empty space that preserves.

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Speaker 2: It right in a way, Yes, it would have experienced

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far left less cosmic ray bombardment than objects born and

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raised within our own heliosphere constantly bathed in our Sun's activity,

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So it arrives here relatively pristine, holding on to its

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original characteristics. Yeah, what our sun is now heating up

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and blasting away is truly unique material, possibly holding clues

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that pre date our entire solar system.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is where things get really interesting, moving from

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just the matter to the information it might carry some

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of the source material we looked at. Explores potential non

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physical effects connecting this interstellar material to consciousness.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely conceptual leap, bridging the hard physics with more philosophical,

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even metaphysical ideas, but it often centers on a key

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component of Atlas and of us water or water ice analysis.

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Speaker 1: Case, water's weird quantum properties exactly.

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Speaker 2: The theory explores water's potential quantum dynamic properties, the idea

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that water molecules, through their hydrogen bonds, might be able

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to form specific resonance structures sometimes called coherency.

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Speaker 1: Domains ocurrency domains okay.

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Speaker 2: And within these structures, the theory goes water might be

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able to capture and store energy or even information encoded

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in light photons, particularly at low energy levels, in ways

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standard chemistry doesn't fully account for. It views water not

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just as a passive solvent, but as an active medium.

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Speaker 1: The materials cited some well let's call them illustrative experiments

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like with plant growth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those experiments are often mentioned. The setup usually involves

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taking water and charging it with focused intent. So water

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exposed to positive thoughts or feelings good energy sometimes resulted

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in plants growing significantly faster, maybe tripling in size compared

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to controls. And the opposite, water charged with negative intent

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like anger or hate, reportedly cause plants to wither or die.

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The implication is that the water somehow stored and transmitted

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that information or energy state to the biological system.

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Speaker 1: And then there are the ice crystal experiments flash freezing

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water right.

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Speaker 2: Those are perhaps even more famous or infamous depending on

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your view. Germans where water was flash frozen while exposed

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to stimuli music, words, images, even just focused thoughts.

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Speaker 1: And the claim is the ice crystals reflected the stimuli.

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Speaker 2: The claim is that the geometric structure of the resulting

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ice crystals often showed patterns that seem to visually echo

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the input. A photo placed underneath might result in a

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crystal vaguely resembling it. A focused thought of love might

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produce a more symmetrical, beautiful crystal than a thought of hate.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's way out there for conventional science, but it's provocative.

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So connecting this back, if water can hold information or

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energy states like that, and we are mostly water, and.

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Speaker 2: This ancient interstellar water ice plus other volatiles is now

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being vaporized, ionized, supercharged by solar storms and blown throughout

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our entire solar system by the solar wind.

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Speaker 1: Could it be having some kind of subtle influence on us,

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on our collective consciousness.

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Speaker 2: That's the big speculative question these ideas lead to. Could

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this influx of exotic, ancient, energized material, carrying potentially unknown

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information signatures from deep space and deep time be acting

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as a kind of non physical catalyst, maybe nudging collective awareness,

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prompting a kind of expansion or awakening triggered by the

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very cosmos interacting with our local environment.

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Speaker 1: It's a mind bending thought in this event three iat lists.

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It also underscores how much more often we're seeing these

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visitors now.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, the detection rate is way up. It used to

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be purely theoretical than Umua in twenty seventeen. Then that

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other object named Borisov C twenty nineteen Q four, also

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deemed the interstellar twenty nineteen. Now three iAtlas in twenty

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twenty five, YEP detected earlier, but really showing itself down.

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Speaker 1: It confirms these aren't just one off freaks, they're common.

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Speaker 2: Frequent visitors. Yeah, and we're still mostly blind. Remember three

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Iatlis was only properly identified when it got close run

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Jupiter's orbit, about five astronomical units five AU from the.

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Speaker 1: FUND, But it entered our Solar system or heliosphere way

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before that.

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Speaker 2: Much earlier, it crossed the boundary the heliosphere the Sun's

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bubble of influence maybe a high underd AU out way

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back around twenty twenty is probably around sixty AU. Then

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it spent years inside our system before we even knew

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it was here.

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Speaker 1: Which makes you wonder, doesn't it, how many others are

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zipping through right now undetected objects on these hyperbolic paths

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maybe to fast coming in at weird angles.

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Speaker 2: It's almost certainly a significant number. Atlas is noted as

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being incredibly fast, maybe the fastest comet like objects seen.

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If something that energetic was only spotted around five AU. Yeah,

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it's highly likely there are dozens, maybe hundreds of smaller,

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dimmer interstellar objects passing through the outer Solar System out

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near Neptune or Pluto that we have absolutely no idea about.

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We're just starting to get a glimpse of the true

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level of cosmic traffic here. Okay, so before we wrap up,

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let's quickly look at where Atlas is heading next and

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talk about some other forces at play besides just the

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Sun pushing it out. It's still in a very dynamic

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phase right.

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Speaker 1: It's moving away from the Sun fast now. It leaves

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Mars's orbital neighborhood around November twenty third, and its closest

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approach to Earth, still very distant, is December nineteenth, So.

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Speaker 2: We still have a good few weeks to watch these

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jets fade.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully, and long term it has a rendezvous with Jupiter.

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Speaker 2: A flyby, yeah, mid March next year. Jupiter is huge,

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but Atlas is moving so incredibly fast. Jupiter's gravity will

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just give it a little nudge, a gravitational slingshot, tweaking

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its path slightly as it heads out for good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now we've talked a lot about the Sun's forces.

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It's gravity holding things or not. In this case, it's

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heat causing the outgassing and the solar wind physically pushing

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the material away anti sunword. Huh, But you mentioned the

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solar system isn't just about outward forces. There are other

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things going on, especially for charged objects like this.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is a really important point often overlooked in

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basic astronomy. The solar system isn't just pressure pushing out.

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They're also powerful inward flowing electric currents. They tend to

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run along the ecliptic plane, that flat disc where most

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planets orbit.

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Speaker 1: Inward currents flowing towards the Sun exactly.

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Speaker 2: Think of it like a giant electric circuit. The solar

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wind flows out, carrying charge and magnetic fields, but there

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are also currents flowing back in radially towards the Sun,

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primarily in that ecliptic plane.

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Speaker 1: So it's a two way street.

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Speaker 2: Electrically speaking, it is, and this raises a really fascinating

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possibility for Atlas's material. While the solar wind is definitely

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blasting most of that ancient gas and dust outwards.

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Speaker 1: Could these inward currents pull some of it back.

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Speaker 2: It's feasible, yeah, especially the charged particles of plasma. Instead

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of all that unique interstellar material getting completely fleshed out

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of the Solar System, these inward currents might actually drag

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some fraction of it back closer to the Sun, back

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towards the inner planets.

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Speaker 1: So some of that supercharge ancient material might actually end

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up interacting more directly with Earth's environment, like our magnetosphere

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upper atmosphere.

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Speaker 2: It's a potential pathway. It wouldn't be like chunks hitting us,

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but more like an energetic seting. It highlights how complex

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the electromagnetic environment really is. For something low mass and

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highly charged like three Ils, Gravity isn't the only game

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in town. These electric currents and magnetic fields act like

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well cosmic and veyor belts, moving charged material both in

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and out.

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Speaker 1: It really paints a picture of the Solar System as

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this living, breathing electromagnetic entity. Doesn't It way more complex

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than just planets orbiting a star. Hashtag tag outro.

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Speaker 2: So wrapping this all up, what we've seen is this

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incredible convergence two major, really weird events happening at the

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same time. First three IYE outlasts, the interstellar visitor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, late fireworks, unexpectedly bright multiple jets, evidence of depeating,

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all supercharged by that intense magnetic field from the solar

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storms exactly.

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Speaker 2: And then second the incredibly strange case of C. Twenty

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twenty five v One Borisov, the disintegrating body appearing.

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Speaker 1: And then vanishing right in the line of sight to Atlas,

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just as Atlas was probably hitting peak energetic activity, reaising

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huge questions about whether it was just the Sun or

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if something else, maybe Atlas itself played a role.

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Speaker 2: It forces us really to look beyond just gravity simple heating.

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We have to consider the electromagnetic forces and maybe even

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the informational nature of matter itself, like we discussed with water.

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We've just had this massive injection of ancient, unique cosmic

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material into the most energetic part of our solar.

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Speaker 1: System, and we're seeing these visitors more often now Umamua, Borisov, Atlass.

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These aren't just rocks. They're carrying stuff, maybe energy, maybe

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information from across unbelievable gulfs of space and time. What

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does this constant stream of cosmic input actually mean for

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us for how we see our place in the universe.

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Speaker 2: It feels like the universe is in a way actively

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interacting with us more noticeably now detecting these objects, seeing

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this ancient material dispersed. Maybe it really is is some

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of those more philosophical sources suggested, like the first little

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creek open of the door, a crack opening onto a

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much larger reality. Perhaps it's nudging us towards a kind

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of collective awakening.

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Speaker 1: Forcing us to see we aren't isolated on this little planet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were intimately connected to these vast, vast, powerful, electromagnetic,

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maybe even information rich systems that govern everything out there.

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Speaker 1: It's a wild thought to end on the fastest, brightest,

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most puzzling object we've ever tracked is right now, seating

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our solar system with stuff that could fundamentally change how

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we see everything. Definitely, keep looking up the conversation about

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what's happening out there and what it means down here.

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It feels like it's only just getting started.