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Speaker 1: Ask not what your country can do for you, ask

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what you can do for your country.

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Speaker 2: Mister garbach offf tear down this wall.

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Speaker 1: It's the Ricochet Podcast. Well, I'm James Lylyx with Charles C. W.

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Cook and Stephen Hayward. Today we talked to Josh Hammer

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about rising anti Semitism the right. So let's have ourselves

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a podcast. This is not how an adult grieves the

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murder of somebody called a friend. This is how a

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four year old morn's a goldfish.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jimmy Kimmel is not a talented person. He had

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very bad ratings and they should have fired him a

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long time ago. So you know you can call that

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free speech or not. He was fired for lack of talent.

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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody, It's the Ricochet Podcast, number seven hundred and

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fifty eight. I'm James Lylyx in Minneapolis, overcast a tumnal beautiful,

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Charles C. W. Cook in Florida, Stephen Hayward. We presume

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in California, and gentlemen, the days of Joan Embry shown

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up and bringing a marmoset who peas on Johnny Carson's

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coat is those days are gone, and the talk show

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is gone. And frankly, I don't care what Kevin Stoleber

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or Kimmy Jimmel say, because they're babbling to the bubble,

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and if the market wants to take care of them,

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then the market will. But what we have now is

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something that sort of has the taint, the faint with

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of a government leaning, shall we say, And you could say, no,

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simply a business proposition, but the prospect of a merger

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concentrates in a man's mind wonderfully, Samuel Johnson said, And

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so it may not have been a strictly business decision

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after all. So I'm sort of quasi uncomfortable about a

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lot of this.

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Speaker 2: But what say you, Well, it seems to me the

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Trump administration made two unforced airrs this week, probably more

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than two. But on these particular issues. You at first

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Pam Bondi coming out saying we're going to prosecute hate speech,

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and you know, this was idiotic, and she tried to

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walk it back a little and say she only meant incitement.

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But that's not new. And although part of me thinks

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that this is their genius move to make the left

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come out and say no, no hate speech is protected

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under the First Amendment, which you know, it's sort of

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like when Trump made the Democrats come out against policing

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crime here a few weeks ago with the National Guarden Washington,

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but then the other one that is more worrying. And

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I think here Charlie and I, Charlie Cook and I

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are in heated agreement, or certainly the National editors I

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read that it was a mistake for the FCC to

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throw its way around. Yeah, and so I think the

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marketplace would have dictated this decision anyway. I think the

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Sinclair and what's the other independent stations that said we're

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going to dump the show would have reached that same point.

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And I'll bet ABC was looking for its own reason

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to pull the plug on Kimmel because his ratings were

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worse Colbert's and has to be losing an equal amount

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of money. And the right remedy, of course, is to

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abolish the FCC. And who knows, you know, you might

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just get enough Democrats to vote for doing that if

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it was proposed by Republicans, if they have the wit

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to do it.

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Speaker 4: Charlie, Well, as I joked on the editor's podcast, I'm

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very pleased that we are as a country now or

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in violent agreement, that there's no such thing as hate speech,

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that it's fine for private companies to refuse service if

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they don't want to be implicated by the speech of

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their customers, And that the FCC should at no point

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interfere in the free marketplace of ideas. Because these are

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three propositions that I've been writing about for fifteen years,

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and usually the critiques that I get come from the left. Now,

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that doesn't in any way excuse what Pam Bondi said

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last Monday, and it doesn't in any way excuse what

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Brendan Carr said. I disagree profamily with both of those claims,

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but I am a little bit perplexed to see the

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left jumping around and screaming in support of the proposition

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that there is something intrinsically corrupt or liberal about the

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FCC making demands in return for issuing licenses. Is this

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a new position? I hope it is. I hope we'll

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get out of Congress a bipartisan law that abolishes the FCC, which,

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by the way, is possible. I've seen some people try

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to actually this one, but it is possible. It was

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possible in nineteen thirty four, when the communications Act was written.

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administration was going after conservatives on the radio, and it

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is definitely possible now in an age in which the

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Internet and satellite and cable predominate, and in which the

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only reason the FCC has any control over ABC whatsoever

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is that a very small part of ABC is delivered

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via the airwaves. And this is the weird thing, isn't it.

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because some do, it has full control in the areas

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over which it has control over ABC, whereas it has

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no control whatsoever over say, Netflix, because nobody gets Netflix

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over the air. The fact if this wasn't revisited already

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is bizarre to me now I think it should be.

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complete one, A two and everything he ever said until

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about eight months ago. It's not to say it isn't

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worrying to see what he said. I'm slightly skeptical that's

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actually what did this, but it still matters that he

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said it. But this is the moment we have unity

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on the core question. We have the left feeling of

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grieved because they may have been targeted by the right.

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FCC is two powerful, let's do something about it.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: The good thing is, of course, is that wait that

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now that we're all agreement on these bedrock principles, this

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is an agreement that will last forever. Fun there is

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a fundamental realization the lightning has flashed and engraved in

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the minds of both these true principles from which they

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will never stray. The idea that the other side would

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get in power and instantly abandon those things that made

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them angry a few years ago, it was preposterous to me.

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But anyway, Stephen, you were going to.

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Speaker 2: Say, Well, if I was in the mode of dialogue

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like Charlie Kirk, I would like to have a line

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of liberals to whom I would ask, what does the

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FCC actually do and why is it important to keep it?

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And I'll bet they couldn't give you answers to either

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one of those questions, but I'm sure there will be

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a residual of them, at least to say, oh, we

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can't get rid of a great new deal agency. It's

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from the new or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Right I mean when I first got into radio, the

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fairness doctrine was still in a friend and that resulted

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in some of the most boring programming you'll every year

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in your life, you know, at one o'clock in the morning,

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when they have to slap something on to be fair.

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And that was abolished. And everybody said that that was

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the absolute death of everything, and it wasn't. It was

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sort of the net neutrality of its day. But I

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wouldn't doubt that actually there would be some attempt to

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codify and regulate, you know, to bring the left has

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been the morning to bring back the fairness doctrine since forever,

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mainly because of Russia, Limbaugh. Now that AM radio doesn't

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have the power and reach that it did, they don't

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seem to be so many cries for it. But yes,

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so we're in a tent for tat war and the

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idea that there's here's what here's what I find interesting.

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a minute, this is getting out of hand. Let's all

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step back, let's all over the temperature. Because there's just

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so much built up resentment about cancel culture that nobody,

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everybody simply wants to give the horses their rain. Nobody

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wishes to go back because it would be self defeating.

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there are a lot of scores to settle. That is

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not a good political environment. But it's what we were

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warning about. It's what we got because norms, precious norms,

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were shredded and fed to the wind right Or do

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you think that there's eventually going to be some you know,

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some tiring on the right. You know what, We've gone

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too far. We've got a kindergarten teachers fired in Montana

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for saying that Charlie Kirk was a Nanzi. I think

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that's we've gone too far. I don't. I don't. I

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don't think so. I don't see any desire for abatement

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on the right at all.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, and I also think that look that the

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left likes every instrument of power it can grab.

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Speaker 3: You.

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Speaker 2: Charlie mentioned that back in the Kennedy years, the FCC

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was leveraged to squeeze out conservative radio programming. The other

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thing the FCC has done over the years is press

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the diversity racket.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: They going back to the nineties, they were pressuring radio

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stations to add minorities to their board of directors and

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so forth. They're going to be very low thinking of

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those kinds of ways of leveraging all the federal agencies,

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but especially in the broadcast area. But I want to

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think about the fairness doctrine, right, James. I've always have

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to patiently instruct people who say, you know, Fox News

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couldn't get away with what they do if we had

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the fairnest doctrine, and I remind them that it only

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applied to broadcast media. And then even if you brought

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back a fairness doctrine, it would not apply to Fox

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News or any other cable channel CNM, MSNBC. And moreover,

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I'll bet even the existing Supreme Court that upheld the

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fairness doctrine I think in nineteen sixty eight or nineteen

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sixty nine, would not do so today because it was very,

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very circumstantial on the scarcity of the airwaves. That was

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really the level of the decision, and that today is

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rendered completely obsolete for all the obvious reasons already mentioned.

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Speaker 1: Well, Charles, are you are you worried that this administration

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might have set up something called Oh, I don't know

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the Disinformation Governance Board. Look because they did not this one.

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six months or so. But we had two.

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court cases in the last term that dealt with

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this question of jaw boning. The first one went nowhere

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for lack of standing justice alitot a really good descent.

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The second one was nine to nothing. There is no

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doubt that the federal government is unable to do via

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pressure on private organizations what it could not do directly.

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Brendan Carr cross that line, whether or not he actually

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did anything. He crossed that line by suggesting that he

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wanted to. But if you read the first decision, which

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was conveniently swept aside by the standing holding and thereby

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taken out of the left's peripheral vision, the details are

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absolutely chilling. It runs through years and year's worth of

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Biden administration pressure on private social media entities. And the

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fact that the Court concluded that the connection between the

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speech and the harms was too tenuous to yield a

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ruling doesn't make what is in there as fact that

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all members of the court acknowledge any different. So I'm

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with you on this. It's why I started by joking

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that we're now united. The notion that this is a

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conservative invention is preposterous. That doesn't mean we should do it.

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It doesn't make it okay. But I'm a little annoyed.

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And it's why, although I've said I'm bothered by it,

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I'm not going to go to the mats on this

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one and write twelve pieces on it because I'm a

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little annoyed to watch the what's the word opportunism. I mean,

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We've had people in the last twenty four hours saying

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that this is the worst thing that has ever happened

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to American free speech. We've had people saying, I think

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Eric Swalwell, that this is exactly what the Nazis did

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in nineteen thirty four. We've had people suggesting that this

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represents a wholesale betrayal of principle that has essentially reversed

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the positions of the two parties on free speech. And

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I'm sorry. I will happily condemn Brendan Karr for his words.

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I will happily say the SEC shouldn't do this, and

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I'll happily said it shouldn't exist. But I'm just not

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indulging that nonsense. You guys can go to hell with that.

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Speaker 1: No, that's I mean Jasis overshadowed in its terrible impact

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on the nation, any of the riots that burned down

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sections of American cities, and in this case, the deplatforming,

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if you will, of Jimmy Kimmel is worse than anything

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that happened on the Twitter files or kicking Trump off Twitter,

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or firing actors for beliefs. You know, when was the

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last time he saw James Wood movie? He had to

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be about three movies every year. None of that stuff

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actually really happened, and if it did, it was good.

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it's interesting some people have pointed out that the FCC

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regulations actually do give them power because they prohibit quote

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broadcast hoaxes and the intentional distortion of news. And you think, well,

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obviously that's not being applied very often. There are conditions

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that have to be met, knowledge of falsity, foreseeable public harm,

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and direct public arm. So one could make the point

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that somebody could listen to what Kimmel said and say, yeah,

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it was a right wing Nick Fuent's groper type, who

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I'm going to go out and shoot one of those,

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in which case you could make the point that the

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FCC might have irrationale for dabbling. But I agree with you, Charlie.

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I agree with this statement was made. The chilling effect

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is there. But again, where have these people been when

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what was done to Twitter? What was done to Twitter,

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what was done to Facebook? You've got Zuckberg saying, oh,

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they came to us and said, you can't. You got

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to shut this down. That's to me in the face

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of a much greater problem. The efficacy the virus is,

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the origins of them, the impact that was having on

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the lockdowns in the economy. I mean, we were the

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idea that you could have a full and frank discussion

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about those things. Forget about it. Forget about it. As

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long as we're talking about things in the past, let's

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talk about an organization that was formed by the Communist

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Party in Germany during the thirties and the Bimar Republic,

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the anti fascist the Antifa. Well, they got the same flag.

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an idea. You can't stop an idea. I actually think

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they're kind of a loosely organized organization with lots of

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little local cells and a general overriding set of principles. Hell,

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if they got a logo, they're an organization. Well.

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Speaker 2: Look, I was on campus at Berkeley on February five,

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twenty seventeen, for the Milo Unapolis riot, and I was

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up on a grassy knoll. I want to say a

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conspiracy right by sprout plaza and warnings was quite obvious

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from every direction, you know, dressed in black, carrying pipes, backpacks,

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masked up with walkie talkies, so they were in communication

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with one another. Right, there's already a whole student protest

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and people yelling no hate speech on Berkeley, you know,

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from bullhorns and stuff. But the NPIFA people came in

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and immediately started, you know, tipping over the generator for

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the lights, starting a fire and things of that kind.

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among which you know a lot of students eagerly participated.

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coordinated and I'm sure they're using all of the various

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where the messages disappear after ten seconds or something like that.

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the FBI rolled up a lot of the Weather Underground

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and the militant chapters of the SDS fifty years ago

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made some mistakes, of course they always do, but we

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have and of course, you know Hoover infiltrated the Communist

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Party what seventy eighty years ago to make sure that

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well make sure, you know, suppress conspiratorial and violent designs

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and so forth. So you know there's precedent for this,

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and I'm completely down with it myself.

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Speaker 1: Well, Charlie, the difference may be here, whereas the student

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you know, the Weather in the Underground and SDS were

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self formed and had their own tight little ideologies and

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robbed banks to get along what we have here or

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organizations that may or may not they may be funded

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by NGOs themselves, backed by secretive you know, cats, stroking bond,

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villain billionaire somewhere, and that the intent here is to

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go after the organizations that give them money. Now there's

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a variety of cutouts through which it flows, but we

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saw that they were investigating. I think it's armed queers

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of of Salt Lake City, and the person in charge

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of that is you know, pictures of her him on

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stage with Elizabeth Warren ties to Utah NGOs that get

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awards from the UN, which again it always makes you

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sound like a conspiracy nutcases tied to the UN. You know,

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I regard the UN as a generally inefficacious, wordless organization

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exception of a few things. But still there it is.

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red lines of yarn on between thumbtacks on the on

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the big board. And if they go after the donors

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for this, it may be hard to prove, but it's

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a new tack.

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Speaker 4: This is all going to be in the execution.

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Speaker 5: And I think, oh, I'm not saying you shoot them, no, no,

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with you, and I've seen a lot of people say,

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but what if this happened, wouldn't that be bad?

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Speaker 4: And the answer is yes. If the government started going

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after people for political donations or speech, that would be bad.

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If the government started going after people who were assembling

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and petitioning the government, that would be bad, but all

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that has been announced thus far is that there will

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be an investigation. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

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time we had widespread political violence in the United States,

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which was especially the period between the late sixties and

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early seventies, we had three thousand bombings in three years.

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did it and their networks. I'm not saying they're identical networks.

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a real squish on this stuff, but I don't have

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a problem with investigating it.

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Speaker 1: So we will see. And now we bring to the

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podcast Josh Hammer, political accommodat or attorney, columnist, senior editor

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at large for news Week, host of The Josh Hammer Show,

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and he serves as senior counsel for the article three projects,

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the author of Israel and Civilization, published earlier this year. Josh, welcome,

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It's a pleasure things for having well last week and

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a half or so. Oh boy, it' said a deep

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effect on all conservatives, and it doesn't always have to

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do with how much they knew Charlie. I think before

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his assassination I think there were two groups. There were

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people sort of knew him out there as a planet

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circuit in the firmament, a star, and there are others

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who had were deeply immersed in what he was doing

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and what he was saying. And since his murder, a

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lot of us have been going back to what he

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said and reacquainting ourselves with him or getting, you know,

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a look for the first time at the nature of

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his debate, in the nature of his arguments. But you

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were there a lot earlier than that, If you could

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tell us how you got to know the late Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 6: Sure, So I first got to know Charlie when I

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was the opinion editor in Newsweek. I still work in

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Newsweek in a slightly different capacity, but I ran the

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op ed page there for about three years. When I

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took over at Charlie was one of our conservative columnists,

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so he that's kind of how I got to know him.

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I got to know his executive producer on The Charlie

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Kirk Show, Andrew Colvitt, as well, because Andrew was my

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main intermediary for the columns that Charlie was writing there.

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And you know, we kind of struck up a natural

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affinity for one another. I spoke at a handful of

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Turning Point USA conferences over the years, not a ton.

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I wasn't a regular every conference, but you know, I

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did a handful. It was really only over the past

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year year and a half, I'd say they'll be starting

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to get considerably closer. Charlie was very concerned about growing

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anti Semitism and pockets of the American right. He was

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very concerned about rising anti Israel Zeltry. For lack of

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bear description there, Charlie was very concerned also about maintaining

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an ecumenical Jewish Christian alliance, and he formed this group

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chat for me and a couple others they trusted there.

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He called us his brain trust for essentially for these

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issues for Israel, for Jewish Christian relations, for nothing less

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than trying to kind of forge a battle plan, for

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trying to keep this coalition together, for saving American by

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extension Western civilization. So we ended up chatting essentially every

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day in this chat and elsewhere over the past year

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Speaker 7: We ended up.

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Speaker 6: Chatting on a zoom call less than twenty four hours

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before his tragic assassination. We're talking about strategizing for all

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the anti Israel questions that he anticipated on his upcoming

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campus tour, and we're kind of just going issue by issue.

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Speaker 7: How do you explain it there?

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Speaker 6: So we did become pretty pretty pretty close, especially as

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I became more religious in my Jewish observance. He is

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a Charlie's Christianity. He was a very Hebrew Bible centric Christianity.

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He was very much a Christianity of the American founding.

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He was kind of like a John Adams Alexander Hamilton

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Christian let's say it.

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Speaker 7: So he I mean he literally kept his.

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Speaker 6: Version of the Jewish shabbatak turning his phone off Friday

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Saturday night. So he had a natural affinity I think

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for for authentic you know, Torah based Judaism, for for

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people like me who were coming to embrace that. And

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we kind of struck up a natural court with one another.

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And we've we've lost a true titan, We've lost a

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genuine five star general in our civilizational clash between as

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I call it, the forces of civilizational saxanity and the

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forces of civilizational arson. And it is an irreplaceable void

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that will not be filled anytime soon.

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Speaker 1: I agree, I was listening to a little back and

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forth he did on campus with somebody who wanted to

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question his Christian nationalism, and Charlie was making a distinction

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between being a Christian and a nationalist, and they got

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into this heavy conversation that involved a lot of Greek

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and scripture quoting, which came very naturally to him, very easy,

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and it was fascinating conversation, and it was it was.

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It was not a yelling, screaming argument, and the intellectual

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tenor of it was above what you expect on ninety

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nine percent of your campus interactions. When I first was

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encountered him years ago, I thought that basically what I

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getting from the guy was a genial, standard, factile recitation

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of basic Christian or basic conservative ideas. And I've watched

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as the man matured intellectually into something quite different and

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quite impressive. And the fact that we've lost somebody who

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wanted to build and none to build the bridge, but

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to reinforce it and make sure that it can withstand

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the strains of the bad people trumping over it. The

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loss of that is keen. And that goes to something

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that you wrote in a newsweek this week. But I'm

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going to back off for a second and let Stephen

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and Charlie ask you a question.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, John, is Steve Hayward out in California, And

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I did, in fact want to turn to your news

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week call him out today, which raises a broad question

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in a particular form. And then there's second related question

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that's contained in your headline about worrying about grifters perhaps

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undermining turning point as it goes forward. By the way,

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I'm with James. I wasn't much impressed with Charlie when

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he first burst on the scene, but is a teenager still,

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and it's been one of the thrilling things to see

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his increasing capaciousness and capacity and confidence and you realize

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that he is turning point. I mean, he made this thing,

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and I'll come.

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Speaker 1: Back to that.

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Speaker 2: But something that's been bothering me for quite a while

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now is at the center of your column today, and

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it's the rising, startling, alarming anti semitism among a precinct

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of young people on the right. I picked up this

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for a while and it's very disturbing. And you notice that,

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in particular, even before Charlie's killing, you had people trying

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to influence him, trying spreading when I think it is disinformation.

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Your account of how what Cannice always saying about, you know,

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Israel trying to bribe him or something is just preposterous,

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and I think you debunk that well. But what do

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we make of this. I'm sure you're tracking this too,

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and you know what needs to be done about this.

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Speaker 6: It's pretty bad. I'm not going to sugarcoat it's Steve,

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it's a it's it's not good. And Charlie was very

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much of the opinion that it is not good either.

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He has all these viral clips that people can find

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easily and youtubeer social media of him calling it a

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mind virus, the notion that this tiny population is somehow

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responsible for your personal woes or societal woes, and he

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was a I mean, it's kind of crazy, but no

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one Steve did more than this young evangelical Christian to

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defend the Jewish people and really defend Jewish scripture. I

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mean he was asked like the Talmwud. I mean it's

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I mean, we literally message about this. He was asking

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me questions about like the Talmood, and not that I'm

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a Talmudig expert. I'm not even ordained Rabbi, I mean

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like it. But the notion that Charlie Kirk was put

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in this position of being like the number one on

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canvas defender of the Jewish people and the Talmwood is

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is patently insane, frankly, and it says a lot about

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where we are now. No sorry, go ahead, And he

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really cared about pushing back against this now part of

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the way that he did so, I think people can

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can disagree with some of these specific ways that he did.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 6: For instance, I disagreed with Turning Points decision to continue

476
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to platform Tucker Carlson at these two Nationals Summit conference

477
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in July, the one where I did where I debated

478
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,759
Dave Smith on the Israel issue that Charlie moderated debate.

479
00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:12,720
I don't like that Tucker Carlson is still platformed at

480
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Turning Point USA. I don't work for Turning Point USA.

481
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I'm just I was just a friend of Charlie's and

482
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a friend of Andrew's and a friend of the organizations.

483
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But you don't have to agree with everything that they did.

484
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But I think what Charlie was fundamentally trying to do

485
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Steve because he saw himself properly properly as kind of

486
00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:32,880
the conservative voice for younger millennials, and really gen Z

487
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above all, which which he was He absolutely unequivocally was that,

488
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and he was trying the best he could to not

489
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kind of throw a blunt object and like knock over

490
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the head and say you're wrong, this is the right answer.

491
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He was trying to kind of gently lead young people

492
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to the right answer. For instance, if you look at

493
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a lot of his political rhetoric over the past year

494
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,559
and a half, he started talking a lot about Islam

495
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and the threat and then threat the thread of radical Islam,

496
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talking a lot about dear or in Michigan, Islamic immigration

497
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,880
to America. He made this like a really really recurring

498
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,119
late motif. He had this great YouTuber named Appo State

499
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,319
Prophet former guests in My show. He had him speak

500
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at the conference in July that I spoke at. And

501
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I think that, to be clear, he was doing this

502
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partially as an intrinsic matter, but I think strategically he

503
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also saw radical Islam has one of the issues that

504
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could make young Republicans, you know, naturally sympathize more with

505
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,599
Jewish people with Jewish agel. So he kind of did

506
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have this tragedy there. He knew that he that if

507
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he kind of, you know, went full Mark Levin, and

508
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Mark's a friendly Claire, I am not not upporting him

509
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at all at all in the slightest Marx a legend.

510
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Speaker 7: But I knew.

511
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Speaker 6: I think Charlie knew that if he went full Mark Levin,

512
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so to speak, then he would lose credibility with these peoples.

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Speaker 7: He was trying to kind of finagle.

514
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Speaker 6: And again people can disagree with how he went about

515
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it there, but fundamentally, his heart really was in the

516
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right place. And I know that because his Christian theology

517
00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:54,319
was in the right place. As his pastor Rob McCoy

518
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has now been publicly saying, Charlie again, as I said,

519
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was kind of the American founder's version of a Protestant Christian.

520
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He was genuinely of the belief that's per the Book

521
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,319
of Genesis, the Land of Israel was giving to the

522
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Jewish people. He thought that anti Semitism was a horrific

523
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,039
mind virus, that it was incompatible not just with human decency,

524
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,400
but with what with Christianity properly construed as well, And

525
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,200
he was very concerned about this. Now it's a real problem.

526
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,519
We have it on hands. I don't pretend to have

527
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:22,240
all the answers. I think we first have to con

528
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,640
just call a spade a spade, can't I mean, in

529
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,759
a sane, rational country, Canvas Owens would be in a

530
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:31,880
mental assylum at this point. That is that is my

531
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that's my actual, unfiltered belief. The stuff she's saying is

532
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,519
so so unhinged that she would have been probably involuntarily

533
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:41,480
committed a while ago.

534
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Speaker 7: The most dangerous of them.

535
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,039
Speaker 6: All is Tucker Carlson, because Tucker is smarter than Canvas

536
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:48,960
and says a lot of the same stuff in a

537
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,480
in a slightly toned down manner, but it's pretty easy

538
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,440
to see what he's trying to ultimately do here.

539
00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: Is like Pat Buchanan that way.

540
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I would argue even more in City Is, frankly

541
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than Pat Buchanan. I might now publicly stated stance is

542
00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:06,640
that Tucker Carlson is the most dangerous Anthey senline in

543
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,359
the history of America. I think that he makes Father

544
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,079
Kauflin and Henry Fork looked like child's play.

545
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Speaker 7: Frankly.

546
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Speaker 6: So it's a real problem, And I don't pretend exactly

547
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,279
what's know what to know what to do about it. There,

548
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I guess the final thing I will say, I don't

549
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,359
want to kind of fill a buster here. The polling

550
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,880
on younger conservatives younger Republicans is not as blackpill dire

551
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as some people make it out to be.

552
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Speaker 4: So.

553
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Speaker 6: For instance, even at the Turning Point USA conference that

554
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I debated Dave Smith at a few months ago in July,

555
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,519
that actually ends up being Charlie's final Turning Point Conference

556
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:43,039
event on stage was he the moderate debate by David Smith,

557
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:46,039
which is pretty crazy to think about. But they did

558
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:49,680
a push poll of all the conference attendees and the

559
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:53,319
poll showed that still seventy three percent of attendees called

560
00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:56,599
themselves pro Israel. Now we can quibble and say maybe

561
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that would have been ninety percent ten years ago, and

562
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perhaps it would have been, but that's still something that

563
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,440
can be worked with, right, And you know, the polling

564
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,279
does show overall that that gen Z Republicans are are

565
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,640
less sympathetic towards towards Israel, maybe a little less gung

566
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,559
ho about Jewish Christian relations than sixty five and not

567
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,960
Republicans there, but they're considerably better on those issues than

568
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,880
gen Z leftists in liberals, So there's something to work

569
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,240
with still, and Charlie understood that.

570
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So no, I mean my restatement of what you

571
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:30,240
and James just said is that Charlie was an Old

572
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Testament Christian, which is a compliment by the way. So

573
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at Shift gears up for a moment. Another worry I have,

574
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and then I'm going to turn you over to Charlie Cook.

575
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Is I'm old enough to remember, well, not firsthand, but

576
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:45,160
but I remember Yeah and the sixties Young Americans for Freedom.

577
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:48,279
I'm Stanton Evans, who wrote the Sharing Statements, was one

578
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:52,599
of my mentors and one big and at first I thought, well, TPUSA.

579
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,480
It reminds me a little bit of the second Coming

580
00:29:54,519 --> 00:29:58,200
of Yeah with this difference. Yeah fell into a lot

581
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,519
of infighting and factionalism fairly early on in the sixties,

582
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in part because it never had a singular leader of

583
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,200
the kind of charisma and personality and organizational capacity as

584
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Charlie Kirk. So you can see where I'm going with this.

585
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The worry is is that the absence of someone of

586
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,240
Charlie's compelling and capacious abilities and personality, I just worry

587
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about the future of the organization and quite aside from

588
00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:27,519
the anti Semitism problem, which is very you know, very important,

589
00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:31,200
there's just the basic organizational difficulties of succession. And I

590
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,799
don't know, do you have any thoughts on that. Is

591
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this on the mind of you and other friends of

592
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the place.

593
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Speaker 6: Sure, So first of all, you know, yeah, still exists obviously,

594
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and you know, I still do speeches for them. Actually

595
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:44,799
I spoke at the at the at the Reagan Ranch

596
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:47,039
Center in Santa Barbara this pass in March when my

597
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:49,440
book came out for you know, that's what. Yeah, it's

598
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,599
been very good to me as well. And they're very

599
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,160
much still alive in kicking. But you know, Turning Point

600
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did really change the game fundamentally in a way for

601
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,960
young campus activists in a way that I'm not sure

602
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any private organization did.

603
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Speaker 7: And and that's all.

604
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Speaker 6: That's all the Charlie's credit, by the way, I mean,

605
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:05,960
he formed this thing when he was literally in high school.

606
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,480
It's a it's it's absolutely tremendous. It's truly extraordinary what

607
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:14,079
he was able to build. And you're asking the right questions.

608
00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:16,599
I don't pretend to have all the answers they've they've

609
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,119
they've already named his his his grieving widow Erica as

610
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,160
the CEO and chairman. And look, I don't know Erica

611
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,640
personally is super well. I do know that she is

612
00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:29,720
extraordinarily strong because I think the whole world saw last

613
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,039
Friday and her incredible, incredible eulogy, I mean, one of

614
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:37,160
the most impressive or work performances I've seen maybe in

615
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,480
my entire life. Frankly, so, she she's definitely very strong.

616
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:43,720
She definitely shares as far as I can tell him,

617
00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:46,799
as far as I'm aware of, virtually all the political

618
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,960
convictions and so forth that Charlie Kirk held held dear

619
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and there's really no one better to carry on the

620
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torch than her.

621
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Speaker 7: That that's actually what Charlie wanted.

622
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Speaker 6: And I mean to the extent that he talked about

623
00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:58,839
his successor, which I don't think was a whole lot

624
00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:00,559
because he was such a young man, But the extent

625
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:03,680
that he ever talks about that, that is certainly what

626
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:07,039
he wanted to happen. I think the one thing to

627
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:10,359
bear in mind is that, you know, Charlie was kind

628
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:12,599
of like in some ways, he wore a lot of happen.

629
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Speaker 7: In some ways, he was kind.

630
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 6: Of a younger man's Jordan Peterson, Right, Jordan Peterson has

631
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,759
this whole kind of kind of make your bed, you know,

632
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:19,880
fix your own life.

633
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 7: Well, Charlie started turning point is.

634
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,319
Speaker 6: Kind of like an anti socialism, anti big government organization.

635
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:27,799
But as he got older, as he married, as a kids,

636
00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:30,559
he started to be clear. He cared about economic issues still,

637
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,640
but he started to focus on different issues. He started

638
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,000
to really focus on kind of this more social cultural outreach.

639
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:38,920
I mean, looking at like these young disaffected men in

640
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,319
the Millennial and gen Z crop and saying, here's how

641
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:42,480
you can make your life better.

642
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 7: You know that girl that you that you.

643
00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 6: Have your eye on, ask her on the date, maybe

644
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,720
ask for her hands in marriage, maybe try to start

645
00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:50,920
a family, maybe go to church on Sunday. I mean,

646
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,160
he really started taking up those issues really come appealing

647
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,319
to young men. So that's kind of one natural thought

648
00:32:56,519 --> 00:32:58,799
is will his wife be able to do the same

649
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,480
for young men? Not necessarily, but hopefully she can have

650
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,799
an effect when it comes to young women who are

651
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,599
who are about the most liberal demographic in America, Right,

652
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,519
so you know that would be pretty something.

653
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:10,519
Speaker 7: That would be something as well.

654
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Speaker 6: I don't really know, see she will actually be able

655
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to do these kind of campus by campus events. I mean,

656
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:17,519
after all, she's now a single mother, they have two

657
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:20,640
young children, so you know, a lot of logistical details

658
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,400
to figure out there. But they've now gotten somewhere between

659
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,799
sixty and seventy thousand new chapter applications for college and

660
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,839
high school, which is just astonishing. I think I think

661
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,519
there were fewer than five thousand when Charlie was assassinated,

662
00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:36,240
So you know, they've gotten what twelve times as many

663
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:39,039
as they already had more than that potentially. It's so

664
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:42,839
the organization is going to go on without question, but

665
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:48,039
there are definitely some major details to film.

666
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,319
Speaker 4: Hey, Josh, Charles Cook Cat, I have a much broader

667
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:58,359
question for you. I don't understand why this rise in

668
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,839
anti Semitism has happened. I've been astonished and appalled by it,

669
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,839
and I often tell people that I first learned about

670
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,960
the Holocaust when I was about seven. I had a

671
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,519
friend at my school, Daniel Goldhell, who told me about it,

672
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and I didn't believe him. And the reason I didn't

673
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:13,119
believe him was not because I thought he was lying,

674
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but because why would anyone do that?

675
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Speaker 2: Right?

676
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 4: It's such an insane thing that happened and why it

677
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:21,920
was my friend. I mean, you just think, well, what

678
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,480
are you talking about? And you learn that it happened,

679
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,440
and when October seventh happened, it had just not occurred

680
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,280
to me for a single second that the response would

681
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,920
be in America. How it has been, Like I watched

682
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,679
what happened in the year after and subsequently, and I

683
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,360
just was surprised by it. I thought, I suppose that

684
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,719
we were maybe immune from that. So what Charlie Kirk

685
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,639
was dealing with and what we're seeing from the likes

686
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:53,719
of Tucker and cand Serns is surprising to me. And

687
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,840
I just wonder if you have any insight into how

688
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,119
this has come back in twenty twenty five.

689
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a very good question, and it's one that

690
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,159
I've been thinking a lot about over the past couple

691
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:10,599
of years. There's a few things going on here that

692
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:13,280
I can try to connect the dots for so on

693
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,559
a simpler kind of level of politics and foreign policy, Charles,

694
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:21,079
I think you've seen an entire generation of younger conservatives

695
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,800
who have kind of grown up in the Milu where

696
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,800
they have seen and they've been told, they've experienced a

697
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,920
lot of the failures of the post nine to eleven

698
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,079
American foreign policy. And I share many of those concerns,

699
00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:34,480
many of those cristives, not all of them, but I

700
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:38,480
definitely share a lot of them. And it's kind of

701
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:41,880
become something of accepted truth, even though I don't think

702
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,960
it's particularly true, to be honest with you, but a

703
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,840
lot of people have accepted this notion that the only

704
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,920
reason that America has gone involved in the sands of

705
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,639
Iraq or the mountains of Afghanistan is due to our

706
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:56,920
alliance with Israel, which in some ways kind of is

707
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,000
the old Pap Buchanan argument back from the nineteen nineties.

708
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 1: Right.

709
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Speaker 6: Whatever America argument, by the way, may or may not

710
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,119
have had. What I've been arguing is that the Abraham

711
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:09,039
Accord singularly disproved it, because it singularly shows that if

712
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:11,800
you strengthen your lines with Israel there you actually get

713
00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:14,760
better alliances with other Arab countries and namely the non

714
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,920
is One's Auric countries. But that's neither here nor there.

715
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,119
That narrative is really kind of set foot. I hear

716
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:22,199
that when I debate people like Dave Smith there that

717
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,280
the only reason that America is involved in these wars

718
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,760
is because of Israel's you know, folks like Steve benn

719
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,639
have been kind of resus contained that sentiment in recent

720
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:32,880
months and so forth and so forth as well. I

721
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,119
think the more interesting sociological question getting out of the

722
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:39,679
realm with strict foreign policy is what I see happening

723
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,000
is just a complete sustained breakdown in the American people's

724
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,119
ability to trust basically anything, but especially trust institutions and

725
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:53,960
elites and accepted narratives. More generally speaking, I would probably

726
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,559
start this going back with Russia Gates, which I think

727
00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:00,599
is a legitimate scandal, everything that happened with Roshergate back

728
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:03,800
in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. You can kind of take

729
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,239
that through the two plus years of the Molar probe,

730
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:09,239
through the twenty twenty election with the New York Post

731
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,960
Hunter Biden story and the collusion between big tech and

732
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,559
the intelligence community. There, all the way through the COVID lockdowns,

733
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:18,440
which cause a precipitous declined trust in public authority and

734
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,840
medical authority in particular. There all the way to the

735
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,920
fact that Democrats essentially ran a mental patient for president

736
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,239
after the world saw that he was clearly you know,

737
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,199
out to you know, the nursing home at that point,

738
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:32,280
to the fact that that the regime empower prosecuted the

739
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,480
form president. So a lot of things happen a fairly

740
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:37,440
short interval that I think, and the public polling bears

741
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,599
this out, that really cause American people to genuinely lose

742
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,159
kind of the ability to trust anything. And when you

743
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:46,760
lose the ability to trust anything whatsoever, you're going to

744
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,480
start falling down the rabbit hole of being unable to

745
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:53,000
distinguish between fact and fiction, between truth and lies. And

746
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,239
typically speaking, when I kind of survey the history of

747
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,280
the Jewish people, the Jewish people are generally better off

748
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:02,960
when people are able to discern truth from lies, fat

749
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,440
from fiction, when people are able to kind of have

750
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,960
a society based on skill and merit and things like that,

751
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:11,559
the kind of things that built America. When societies fall

752
00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:17,800
down these rabbit holes, being unable to distinguish false narratives

753
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,760
from fast truth from lies, there is typically the Jewish

754
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,400
people that bear the brunt of that, certainly first, if

755
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,360
not exclusively, right, So that's I think the sociological element there,

756
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:32,800
and I think that's probably responsible for most of it.

757
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 7: The final thing, which is part of the equation.

758
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 6: I think Charlie actually was of this opinion as well,

759
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,639
for whatever it's worth, was that gen Z, if you

760
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:44,159
look at the data, have a lot of unique economic issues.

761
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:48,880
They're becoming the age of which gen Z is, and

762
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,760
I think millennials as well, the age which they become

763
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,960
a first time property owner is notably higher than Gen

764
00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:58,000
X and boomers. The way to which they get married,

765
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,320
basically the year at which they all these various life

766
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,440
goals is considerably higher. And that's another element here too, right,

767
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,360
because when you throw economic resentment, economic frustration there, you know,

768
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,400
typically historically speaking, again, there's one group that oftentimes gets

769
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,360
blamed and institute.

770
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree, But and these are atmospheric zeitgeisty things.

771
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:22,119
I think there are some other specific things that have

772
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:24,519
caused it, this twofold one. You have so many students

773
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:27,599
that are going through college and come out with a rote, lazy, unexamined,

774
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,760
progressive view of the world that instantly casts about for

775
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,760
oppressor and oppressed, for colonialism and the rest of it,

776
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,079
a template into which they can plug these little words

777
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:40,599
that they think they know means so much. And they

778
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:42,599
look at Israel, and they look at the Palestinians, and

779
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:45,400
of course their whole worldview tells them to sympathize with

780
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,199
the poor Palestinians who have been, you know, so dreadfully

781
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,800
abused since forty seven. And there's no way to shake

782
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,679
them about that because it's it's ideological and it's religious.

783
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,840
And the second is that you have empty young men

784
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,199
who have in both of these have to do with

785
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,840
a post religious world in which people are no longer

786
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,280
operating with the sort of religious mentality being believed or

787
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,280
devoutly believed or not so devoutly believed, but in a

788
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,360
post religious society where empty young men are casting about

789
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,519
for meaning and fall prey to the seductions of these

790
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:20,199
dark caves, where the people who are pushing out this

791
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,400
anti Semitic tripe are either you know, this is sort

792
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,559
of the grim guys who'd sit around and bitch about

793
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:30,239
the liberty, or people who have their bone reasons certainly

794
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,840
not based in religion, and just give these guys something

795
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,280
to believe in which they can use as their identity,

796
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,800
because nobody loves it more when you know something that

797
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,639
everybody else doesn't. And part of the latter I think,

798
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,199
and this may sound like conspiracy nonsense. But is bots?

799
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:53,119
Is other countries just having their way and sitting back

800
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:56,239
and calculing and laughing because they've they've released any number

801
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,400
of trolls and bots who feed this stuff. And that's

802
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,800
what I see in my feet recent accounts, blue checked,

803
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:07,199
strange name do Sturmer, pictures of Jews as their profile picture,

804
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:11,960
and everything is juju juju ju. That's not organic. I

805
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,800
don't think some of it is, but but there's a

806
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,960
tremendous amount of it. I think that is outside agitator

807
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,519
is trying to have their way and it's working.

808
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

809
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 6: Look, I don't know exactly the extent of bots on X.

810
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:26,039
I will note that if we go back and look

811
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:28,000
at you on must public statements, it seems to me

812
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:32,360
at least I recall that one of his professed reasons

813
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,320
for being interested in purchasing Twitter in the first place

814
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,639
was to clean it up from bots, and I'm not

815
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:39,360
tellingly sure that he's done that. I think would be

816
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,199
a very polite way of saying it. There's been a

817
00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:45,800
general kind of lack of transparency in the X algorithms

818
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,440
in general, which you know, I would have I definitely

819
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,679
would have liked to have seen a little bit more

820
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,880
in that in that respect. Look, there's definitely there's definitely

821
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,039
an element of for money here, right. I mean we

822
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,719
know that Kat is the number one spender when it

823
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,159
comes to American hygadriccasion. They have been since nine to eleven,

824
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,960
like literally more than the UK, France, Russia, China, Saudi,

825
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,559
any other actor. It's this tiny you know, Hamas Mali coddling,

826
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,639
you know Al Jazeera hosting country Katar. I think that's

827
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:21,360
only a small part of the equation here, to be

828
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,159
honest with you, I mean, higher right corruption in general

829
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,400
is definitely a huge problem, don't get me wrong. But

830
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:31,480
we've had a state of higher right corruption for many decades,

831
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:34,079
going back at least as far. I mean when did

832
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:37,679
Buckley write got a man Yelle with nineteen nineteen fifty one? Right, So,

833
00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:40,199
I mean it's been going on a very very long time.

834
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,800
I mean the rise of the Frankfurt School in the

835
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,599
nineteen sixties, and you know, this kind of cultural rise

836
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:50,320
of of any Semitism, especially increasingly ascendant on the right,

837
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:54,559
is a fairly recent ish phenomenon. So I don't think

838
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:58,840
that's necessarily totally totally explanatory for that there. But you know,

839
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,000
definitely I would like more transparency when it comes to X.

840
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:04,519
I would like a social media experience that is free

841
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:05,719
of bots.

842
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 7: You know, I would.

843
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:11,519
Speaker 6: I would definitely highly much prefer that, But I'm not sure.

844
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:13,199
That's kind of the biggest issue going on here.

845
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: Honestly, going to the funeral, I.

846
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 6: Would very much like to, but the timing is is

847
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,440
just a little toit difficult. It's I keep Shabbat and

848
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:23,920
the Jewish to have at the end, sorry night, and

849
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,960
then the Jewish New Ye Russia Jonna starts Monday night,

850
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,519
so it's just I live in Florida, so flying cross country,

851
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:30,800
it's a really it's kind of logistically very difficult.

852
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: Fortunate all right, Well, next year in Phoenix. Josh Hammer,

853
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,199
thank you so much for joining us today. It's been

854
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:36,960
a great conversation. You can read this stuff at News

855
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,639
Weekend elsewhere, and we hope to speak to you soon

856
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,440
and we hope that our reasons for doing so will

857
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,679
be happy, joyous and good for the future of mankind.

858
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,559
So thank you, and we'll talk to you later.

859
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,199
Speaker 7: Thank you, guys, I appreciate it.

860
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,599
Speaker 1: So before we go, a couple more things, Yeah, Charlie

861
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:55,679
You're absolutely right. The the rise on the right of

862
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,960
the of anti Semitism is one of those baffling and

863
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:06,239
absolutely nauseating developments, and we need to well not to

864
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,079
go all Barney Fife on you. We need to nip

865
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:10,440
it in the butt. Even though it's not budding anymore,

866
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,199
it's actually sprouting branches and night shade. One of Josh's

867
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,079
pieces is about how this absolutely you know, this could

868
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:19,119
crack the Maga movement, which I think is a bit overstated,

869
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:22,039
but Headline's got a headline. I don't think you're going

870
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:24,960
to see Fuentes and Candice Owens picking up huge amounts

871
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,679
of support. But there's going to be a noisy graper

872
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,639
fraction and we got to do to it what Buckley

873
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:34,199
did to the Birchers, says me elsewhere in the world.

874
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,159
Trump announced that he had a chat with Gee about

875
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:42,840
tick tock and this is the thing that's been grinding

876
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,920
its way through the system and the process for I

877
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,360
don't know how long, with deadlines being put off and

878
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,960
the rest of it, but selling TikTok assets to American investors,

879
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,079
and I'm very curious if there will be, if so,

880
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,760
a change in the code under the hood, Charlie, you're

881
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:02,760
you're a tech guy. Do you think that's likely or

882
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,320
do you think they'll say, hey, hey, broke, don't fix it.

883
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 4: I don't like this at all. I think it's difficult

884
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,360
to interrogate the technical questions without knowing what the plan is.

885
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,199
And the plan I've looked into this, as far as

886
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:21,519
I can, is vague. The law here has not been

887
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:24,480
followed from the start. Trump has delayed this. I believe

888
00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:27,239
four times there was room within the statue to delay

889
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,119
at once when certain conditions were met. Those conditions weren't met,

890
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,639
but there was provision for a delay. The last three

891
00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:37,159
are just flagrantly lawless. We're now talking about an eighty

892
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:43,199
twenty split and perhaps the maintenance of the existing algorithm

893
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,920
in a different form or maybe not.

894
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: I don't know.

895
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 4: What I do know is that although I understand the

896
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:55,119
political worries that the Trump administration has here, this is

897
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:57,880
not a very strong America First policy that I'm seeing

898
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:04,840
on TikTok. The TikTok algorithm is designed to feed information

899
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,920
to the Chinese Communist Party and to disrupt the United States. Now,

900
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,880
there's not much we can do about the second part

901
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:13,159
within an American owned company. If I owned TikTok, the

902
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:18,519
government can't stop me poisoning children's minds. But the Chinese

903
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:21,239
Communist Part is a foreign agent, so I don't know

904
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:26,320
what it means when it is reported that there would

905
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,440
be consequences. I don't know what it means when it

906
00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:32,880
is said that the algorithm might remain the same but

907
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,159
in American hands, or that it would I don't know, James.

908
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:40,159
I don't think that anyone knows. And that's why, because

909
00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:43,679
I don't trust the Chinese Communist Party. I think that

910
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:49,960
we should see a full divestment and full American ownership,

911
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:52,000
and then we don't have to worry about whether or

912
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:54,960
not there are pressures behind the scenes. And I'll finished

913
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,800
by saying, one of the reasons that underscores this belief

914
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,519
for me is that, again without reference to the statute,

915
00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:07,000
the Trump administration has started using the TikTok question in

916
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:11,159
its negotiations with China. We saw this last week. The

917
00:47:11,199 --> 00:47:13,440
Trump administration said, in effect, well, I hope we have

918
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:20,440
a good meeting with China. It's become intermingled with issues

919
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,559
of foreign policy and of trade and of diplomacy. Now,

920
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:29,760
if that can be the case when its sale is

921
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:34,320
being debated. Isn't that likely to be the case going forward?

922
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,679
If China retains twenty percent of TikTok, isn't this always

923
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,920
going to be on the table? And if it's always

924
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,360
going to be on the table, then aren't we likely, legitimately,

925
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:49,719
if you look at the imperatives of foreign policy, to

926
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,159
start using it as a bargaining tool. And if we

927
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,119
use it as a bargaining tool, are we going to

928
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:56,480
give some stuff away? So I have a problem with

929
00:47:56,519 --> 00:47:59,480
that because the statute's very clear the Communist Party of

930
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:01,559
China is not supposed to own the social media network.

931
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,000
But I also have a problem with it as an

932
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:06,039
American because I just don't want us to be giving

933
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:09,119
this to China in exchange for other things. I want

934
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:13,719
China out of this business in America.

935
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: I was afraid for a moment we weren't going to

936
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,800
get the earth shattering kaboom from Charles that I was expecting.

937
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,719
But he finally got to that point by the end,

938
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,320
So I'm happy and satisfied.

939
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:23,559
Speaker 1: Here.

940
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 2: Can I have one more sort of loose end about

941
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:31,840
Charlie Kirk for a minute with Charles Cook, I have

942
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,679
had a few people say to me from time to

943
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,920
time they get you Charles Cook confused with Charlie Kirk.

944
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:41,039
Speaker 1: Have you ever had that? Have you?

945
00:48:41,159 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 4: Okay, and not in the sense that people come up

946
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,519
to me and say, are you Charlie Kirk, But from

947
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:49,719
time to time, if I get booked to speak somewhere,

948
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,599
someone who wasn't involved in the initial booking will email

949
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:56,320
me and mistake me for Charlie Kirk. Or I've had

950
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,000
people on the phone because of the way I say

951
00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:02,440
the word with my accent, and he was murdered, people

952
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:06,920
have mistakenly said his name instead of mine because they're

953
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,039
so similar. I totally understand that. By the way, that's

954
00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:10,679
a normal thing to do when you're used to saying

955
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:15,519
another name, then you say one that's almost identical. So yeah,

956
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:17,400
that has happened from time to time, but no one

957
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,280
has ever mistaken me for the guy. We were very

958
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,679
different in other ways.

959
00:49:20,639 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I didn't know if you might be getting

960
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:24,079
some you know, I don't know, threatening messages.

961
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, thankfully not yet. Cook the surname

962
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:32,719
would derived from Cook, right chef, That's what I believe,

963
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:37,840
and Kirk is probably from church. So you're the caterer

964
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:38,920
to Charlie's events.

965
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:46,079
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. No, I haven't got any threats,

966
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,159
which is a good thing. I can't imagine what he

967
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,039
dealt with here. It was one hundred times more famous

968
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:56,920
and influential than I am, and I get my fair

969
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,599
share of horrible emails, so he must have been really

970
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,039
zen and to have dealt with it.

971
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: You know, I got an email the other day from

972
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,000
somebody who was upset up on my National Review. Call him,

973
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:06,599
and it had to do with global warming and some

974
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:12,199
offhand commit comments that I'd made and what really bothered him, well,

975
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,360
lots of things bothered him, but it was like this guy,

976
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,280
this Lilacs, this Jimmy Lyles, he knows the truth. So

977
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,719
he's lying in this piece about these things. And the

978
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:29,239
idea that I shared his baseline assumptions and his predicates

979
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:30,880
and his conclusions and all the rest of it was

980
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,679
just a given because the very fact that I could

981
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:34,719
put two words together meant that I wasn't stupid, and

982
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,400
any intelligent person knows the global warming is happening because

983
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:43,760
of us. Therefore I was lying. And I find that

984
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:48,320
to be fascinating. Actually, that sort of assumption of bad intention. No,

985
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,719
I actually believe that I actually do, which some people

986
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,400
find hard to take. And I imagine that a lot

987
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,239
of your mail, Charlie probably accuses you and Steven as

988
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,400
well as being a grifter and somebody who you just

989
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,360
can't see you can possibly believe this stuff. No, absolutely,

990
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,519
and unfortunately I do. Well, we'll see what happens with this.

991
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:09,800
We'll see what happens with TikTok if there are fewer

992
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,039
videos in my Twitter feed that consist of somebody being

993
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:15,039
beaten with a tire ironmen whilst the lady chirps, nothing

994
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:17,920
beats a jet blue vacation or a jetto vacation. What

995
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:21,800
is it? I'll be a happy man. Have you noticed that,

996
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,559
by the way, have you noticed how nothing beats a

997
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:27,920
jettuvication getaway or something like that is being super imposed

998
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,159
on all just like sixty percent of the videos that

999
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:31,840
you that come to you from TikTok.

1000
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 4: It's a night for the marketing director of that company.

1001
00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:36,960
Whatever it is.

1002
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: It is it is, but it's one of those Internet

1003
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,039
things that you see it, you recognize it, you note

1004
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:47,840
the pattern, you file it away, you learn to mute,

1005
00:51:48,199 --> 00:51:50,079
and your brain has already moved on after three or

1006
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,880
four days of this. But the vast majority of people

1007
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,639
out there are completely unaware, if they're not on TikTok themselves,

1008
00:51:55,679 --> 00:51:58,679
are unaware that this is a thing. And you find

1009
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,519
that with the stuff that was on the bullets the

1010
00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:04,199
guy used to kill Charlie. You find that when you

1011
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,079
see these arrows that he used, which referenced the Helldiver

1012
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:08,920
game or maybe don't know, maybe they don't team. There's

1013
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:14,079
this whole language and there's this whole meme culture that is,

1014
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:17,599
you know, if you're not steeped in this stuff, you

1015
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:20,119
are unaware of the depth then off on the depravity

1016
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:21,199
of some of these subjects.

1017
00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 4: And you know what was odd about that? I assume

1018
00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:26,760
you both read the text messages that were released as

1019
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:30,599
part of the charging documents. You mean, the touching ones,

1020
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,880
the everyone's reaction to them insane. They're not fake and

1021
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,119
they're not touching. But there's a line in there where

1022
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:42,920
the shooter says to his lover, hey, do you remember

1023
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,639
a few weeks ago and I was carving things on bullets?

1024
00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:49,159
And he's like, oh, yeah that yeah, uh huh, I

1025
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:52,880
mean what And it struck me that maybe if you

1026
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,000
live in a household where one of you is wearing

1027
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,639
a virtual reality head set for one hundred and eleven

1028
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,760
days a year and the other one is furry that

1029
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,840
carving things on bullets is almost the bourgeois choice. But

1030
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,480
what an insane thing to say, and then have the

1031
00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:11,280
other person go, oh, yeah, yeah, that was the day

1032
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,079
where you just sat at the kitchen table and did

1033
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:13,840
the bullet cut.

1034
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: What mm hmm. Well, we'll see if the case develops

1035
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,320
and as more documentary. But yeah, I remember seeing a

1036
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:23,920
tweet from some of you who said I ran those

1037
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,400
texts through AI, and AI said it was fake. Well

1038
00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:30,840
I certainly would know then, going from its vast scraping

1039
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,920
of other tender messages from other shooters and the rest

1040
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,559
of it. Well, gentlemen, grim times and grim subjects. But

1041
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:40,320
we've had our moments, and we invite everybody to go

1042
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,679
to Ricochet and sign up. Now the fantasy football is done,

1043
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:44,360
right Charles.

1044
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:48,119
Speaker 4: It is done in the sense that you can't sign

1045
00:53:48,199 --> 00:53:48,880
up for it anymore.

1046
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,039
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, John, Charles Daily. It is done. And

1047
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:54,119
so that's all.

1048
00:53:54,159 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 4: Just wanted to be clear. It wasn't like for one week,

1049
00:53:56,559 --> 00:54:01,800
you know, Week one fantacy football and then we're outtall right.

1050
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,039
Speaker 1: You could go to Ricochet and participate in things like

1051
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:06,960
that and sign up for the member feed, which will

1052
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,440
introduce you to an entirely community. And I write there

1053
00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:11,800
I've written a couple of pieces for the last few

1054
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,960
weeks that are not for general public consumption, just because

1055
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:17,039
I want to give something back to the Ricochet community

1056
00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:21,719
that I loved so dearly. Let's see oh yes, five

1057
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,519
star Apple podcast review. If you could get that to us,

1058
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:27,360
that would be great. You may use it as an

1059
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:32,119
opportunity to learn the intricacies of iOS twenty six on

1060
00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:34,519
your phone, learn how to do a review. You'll feel

1061
00:54:34,519 --> 00:54:36,800
like you've accomplished something, and you'll help people find this show.

1062
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:39,119
We thank everybody for listening. We think Josh Ammer or

1063
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:41,079
a guest. We thank Charles, and we thank Stewart, and

1064
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:44,440
we'll see everybody in the comments at Ricochet. What version

1065
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:45,800
is it now, Charlie.

1066
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 4: That's it. I had it had my fingertips last week

1067
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,880
because I just pushed one of the updates. But I've

1068
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,039
been traveling this week. So it's a series of numbers

1069
00:54:56,039 --> 00:54:57,880
that begins with four four.

1070
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: Points A point.

1071
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: It's a point A approaching being an irrational number like pie.

1072
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 1: I think I was just I was just Stephen. What

1073
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,639
I was going to do was I was going to

1074
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,639
quote the number pie, and I was going to have

1075
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,960
them fade me out as I kept going. And now

1076
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,000
that bit is dead, thank you. That was rob long

1077
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,440
quality joke stepping on and I say that with I

1078
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,719
say that with love. We'll see all at Ricochet and

1079
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:21,880
we'll see you next week. Bye bye,