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Speaker 2: Watching And now you're hosts Cliff Berkman and James Bubo Fay.

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Speaker 1: Greetings, Bobo, love Cliff. What's happening man? Anything good?

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Speaker 3: Not a whole lot.

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Speaker 4: I got break coming up, I got a spring break

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coming up, and created just left about five minutes ago.

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Speaker 3: So I'm a bachelor for the next four days.

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Speaker 1: Which means what really like, what are the differences?

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Speaker 4: Uh, watch tiver you want whatever, like volume you want,

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or don't worry about being home for dinner. Just come

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home whenever I feel like it. Just that kind of stuff,

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you know, just just total freedom.

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Speaker 1: Okay, very good. So it doesn't sound like it's a

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big functional difference honestly, because you'll probably still wander home

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when the streetlights come on, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's cool. Enjoy your quote unquote freedom.

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Speaker 3: HMP sire for a little barbecue.

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Speaker 1: So how does Creedle like HMP heavy metal?

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Speaker 3: Path?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Really good? Good, because that would be a contention.

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You know, she probably wouldn't made it this far if

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if there was an issue, yeah, well you got gone.

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Another sighting report came in, so that made two sightings

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in the month of March in the local area. I'll

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fill you in on that on the members side here

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because it's kind of a longer story, but the short

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version is four young men saw a well two of

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them saw it. The other two guys were just there.

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But four dudes were camping and a sasquatch came into

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camp and two of the people saw it, and one

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of the guys saw it twice over over like an

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hour period of time up between Capoos and Vernonia over

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there in the coast range. So that was kind of cool.

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going on. Looks like we now have permission from the

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Willow Creek Museum down in you know, Willow Creek. We're

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going to start selling some of the Tipmas casts and

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giving them commissions on it, basically, you know, giving them

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really decent chunk of the profit that we make. But

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it'll be so cool just to be able to do that,

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especially since we have historical items from the Tipmus collection

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on display in the museum. So looking forward to that.

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Just started producing some casts last week, and that includes

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the footprint cast or some of the footprint casts from

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Tipmas's visit to the Patterson Gimlan film site. So I've

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been unleashed on that now, so that's kind of cool.

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I have a documentary film crew in town for the

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next couple of weeks. I'm gonna be working with them.

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They want to do something on what real sasquatch research

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looks like nowadays, and so I'll be helping them out

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with that, stearing them towards witnesses, taking them to the woods,

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that kind of thing. Been out to the woods. I

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found an interesting track or two out there about a

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week and a half ago. So just, you know, just

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a ton of stuff. As always, it's just there's always

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stuff going on in my life with bigfoot.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, cool, Well.

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Speaker 1: You have something interesting to share, don't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was hoping that this person would be among our listenership,

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because you know, a lot of witnesses end up following

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the subject obviously. So Emily and I were at a

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national park recently and we were having dinner in the

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lodge and the lodge was like packed. There was a

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family sitting next to us, like husband and wife and

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two young kids, and the kids were asking questions of

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the dad like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, do you think we'll see hawks? What do hawks

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Speaker 2: Do you think we'll see falcons?

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then they said do you think we'll see bigfoot?

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Speaker 1: What is bigfoot like? And so he was like, well, they're.

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Speaker 2: They're humanoid, but they're not really human. And you know,

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people do see them around here. They say they see

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them in California and in the Northwest. And then I

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think his wife is sort of prodding like, well, do

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you want to tell him? And he was like, well,

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the one I saw was in Colorado. I was in

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survival training and me and a few guys that I

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some things in the restaurant. He was like, well, it's

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about as far away as that thing here. It was

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about as tall as this thing here. So I was

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overhearing this story looking at Italy like, oh, man, should

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and like eavesdrop, but you know how it is man

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like if you say sasquatch or bigfoot around me like

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start listening. So I thought, well, if I see this

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guy around the park, you know, maybe I'll stop and

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say hey. You know, I didn't mean the eavesdrop, but

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introduce myself. But I didn't get the chance. So if

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that person's listening, if you were to National Park recently

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in the lodge telling your kids about the Sasquad siding

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you had, we'd love to hear about it, shoot us

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an email.

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Speaker 3: But other than that, I know.

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Speaker 2: We've got a guest on the line. We don't want

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to keep him waiting, but as always want to toss

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out once again. The upcoming appearances, I know you are

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going to be at the Ohio Bigfoot Conference on May

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the second. I think that's sold out already, Yeah, definitely is.

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that same we can. I'll be speaking at the Smoky

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Mountain Bigfoot Festival in Townshend, Tennessee, and so that's Saturday,

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May the second. So there's a link to that in

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the show notes. Nick Cliffe, You'll be in o Caalla,

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Florida on June thirteenth, right, I think so theoretically, yep,

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that's the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference by our friends over

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there gather up events, and then I do have tickets

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and info a link in the show notes here for

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gather up events Alaska Bigfoot Cruise that will be September

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eleventh to the eighteenth. So I'll be speaking there with

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Jonathan Dover, Adam Davis, and RPG your buddy Ryan Colmbeski.

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So that'll be a lot of fun. So now that

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all those are announced and available, you can click the

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link in the show notes if you're close to or

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want to attend to any of those. Well enough of that,

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I think we go straight out of our guests. Now

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you know, everybody's best friend in the world and everybody's

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favorite author, lovely and talented Lyle Blackburn.

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize.

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Speaker 5: Oh was that lovely? I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Oh you have no idea, your loveliness.

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Speaker 3: Sectionalist Bigfoot are alive. Besides prove it, baby, I.

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Speaker 1: Deferd to Lyle of that one. I'll take second or third.

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I literally have a sticker of Lyle now on my

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water bottle.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I do have my own stickers, so.

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Speaker 3: And coozies yeah, I gotta have some of that website.

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Speaker 5: The stickers are the koozies are for special gifts, so

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I would have to send you in special but I

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Speaker 3: Oh great, I see in person.

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Speaker 1: They came in a box when I ordered stock for

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Lyle's brand new book, Terrifying Encounters for the North American

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Bigfoot Center, And of course he was being the lovely

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man he is. He autographed every single one for us,

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you know. But I still recommend anybody listening to buy

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it directly from Lyle because frankly, he's doing it cheaper.

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I think he's sawing these for thirteen bucks or something,

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and I got to sell him for fourteen because of

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shipping and issues like that. But yeah, Lyle's brand new

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book true, is it true Terrifying Encounters or no, it's

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just Terrifying Encounters. True is just an exclamation point, I guess,

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right above the title. But Lyle, this is a great book, man.

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I haven't had a chance to get all the way

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through it, but I did start going through it. And

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first of all, you know all of us here, you know,

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Bobo and I and you and I think Matt. And

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in the seventies and eighties and stuff, and we had

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these paperback classics like the John Green books. Everybody knows

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that they're published in like maybe eight and a half

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by eleven format, a little bit bigger than that. But

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later on they were condensed down to paperbacks like these

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pocket paperback books. And that was the thing back in

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the day. Just like when a television show or whatever,

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it gets popular enough and does enough episodes, they eventually

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go to syndication. That that's kind of a different way

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of thinking about this, but when a book was popular

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to paperback and therefore to the mass market with the

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wider distribution and the author can make more money and

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whatever else. And a lot of our favorite big Foot

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books were published in that format eventually, like Renee de

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Hinden's book was published like that, Peter Burns book was

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published like that, John Green stuff was published like that,

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to the cool pocket paperback book. It was just fantastic.

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even though it's brand new. These are so cool, They're adorable.

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Speaker 3: I read the whole thing as a good book. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Lyle tell us about how this book came into existence. Man,

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that people wanted to hold and that you know, those

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classic books.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, I've had.

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Speaker 1: This idea for a while.

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Speaker 5: It's like, you know what, you know, books have gotten

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bigger and stuff, but I like to carry them around,

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you know, and get them out and read them. And

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paperback which is what they call it, and also make

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modern day companion to your collection if you have some

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of those. Yeah, like mysterious monsters and some of the

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old classics of paranormal books, and so, you know, I

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just set about, you know, kind of designing it with

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that in mind. So and what I wanted to do

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is have stories in here or reports and encounters that

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I had nowhere else to put them, because over the

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years I've gotten you know, whole manner of stuff. But

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usually my books are focused, you know, on a certain

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area or a certain case like Boggy Creek, Lake Worth,

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the Missouri Monster, that sort of stuff. So I'd had

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all these really great and super credible encounters and I thought, well,

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this is the perfect way to do it. Is you know,

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it just doesn't matter where it took place or when

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it took place. It's just a collection of what I

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consider some of the best encounters I've researched. So this book,

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you know, allowed me to do that. And it's and

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a series. And if you look on the spine, you know,

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it says one and then so you you know, collect

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them all and the others. So this is this contains Bigfoot,

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dog man, devil monkeys and you know, goat men and

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other sort of like that category of cryptids, and then

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the master plan going forward. And it's super fun to

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encounters just here and I've never been able to write

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about them. So now I'm like, yes, I can finally

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Speaker 3: Have you and Ken Garhar and I guess like that

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Speaker 4: So like I've got goat Man and bat Boy and

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pig Man, and like they've ever counted how many like

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cryptids there are?

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Speaker 5: You guys have a track of No, I've never actually

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you know, tallied it up, but I certainly if you

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look at the mostly digital files at this point, if

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you look at the folders in my computer under cryptid reports,

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there's more and more folders of just all stuff like

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lake Monsters and yeah, pig Man, goat Man. Because you

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things that don't I don't really fit into anywhere, and

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don't have. If we're covering that particular cryptid you know,

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well a lot of us will ask, hey, do you

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up the files so that we, you know, have all

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Speaker 1: When you set out to do this sort of retro

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format for your book, do you think it affected your

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writing style at all? Because you're an excellent writer. That's

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I think everybody knows that about you. You're an excellent,

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excellent writer. It's engaging to read any of your books.

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But when I when I was going through this book,

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it read like those old pocket paper books as well,

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just reading into your writing.

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Speaker 5: No, it was kind of intentional in a way, because

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once I sat down and said, okay, you know, I'm

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writing up these encounters for this particular book format, I

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did kind of think about that and kind of I

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was like, you know what, you know that there was

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a certain storytelling style that is sort of a mash

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up between like John Keel and John Green and Lauren Coleman.

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but John Keel would just he wrote up a lot

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of crazy encounters that had exciting details. So I really

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wanted to while all of these, in my opinion, are

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I mean, they're certainly from real people, and they're they're

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credible as far as I can tell, I wanted to

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write them up in a way that if somebody just

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picked this up, you know, mass market, maybe they are

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not a cryptid fan, or if they just picked it up,

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it would be engaging and the encounter would sound terrifying

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and bringing out the you know, the aspects of these

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reports so that they're interesting. And again like the way

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it's written up, you know, there's I do a little

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premise before the encounter and that kind of I was

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just going to you know, there's the encounters, but the

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way I write books, I usually inject my own sort

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of connection to it or a little bit about you know,

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so I have a little setup. But then it's just

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there's the counter and you can almost pick up the

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book and just flip through and just read an encounter

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and it doesn't matter if it's in the middle of

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the book or the end. It's you know, self contained.

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anybody that picks this up and just reads one of

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them goes, wow, that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: You know, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with

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Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages.

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I love the way this entire book reads because it

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reminds me so much of those seventies and eighties documentaries

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or the schlockumentaries as I call them, where it's largely

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reenactments basically, you know, And that's the way your book

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reads like a TV show, which I think is so

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cool because you have a subtitle within a chapter, and

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all the subtitles grab you. They grab your imagination and

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paint some sort of level of expectation for you before

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you jump into the story, you know, like I've just

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flipped the one Run for Your Life is a subtitle,

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Like how cool is that? That tells you something about

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the story. It gives you a little bit of a

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foreshadowing or lonely back road. Here's another one, See a

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Thing on the Hill, there's something on the hill.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, and then you go into the narration, just like

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you would in it in one of these old TV

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shows where the guy sets it up, sets up the

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story and the scene and the characters, and then you

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go into the retelling of it. It's just genius. Man.

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I'm just couldn't be happier for you that you you

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dug up this old this old format and are now

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you know, rolling around in it. It's just so cool.

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Converse Werewolf. I love all this stuff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that that's exactly what I was going for,

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is just you know, I love to making the titles

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for the section, and it does it's you know, it

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sets it up.

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Speaker 3: You want it.

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Speaker 5: You want people to go, you know, run for your life.

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You go, oh my gosh, what could this be? You

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know it it kind of gets gets you primed, prime

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the pump there, and then yeah, my little narration kind

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of grounds it in. You know, this is a real

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report that what you're about to read. What you're about

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to read is not fiction. This is a actual person

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said this. And you know I include the names of people.

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You know, I don't some people if they wish not,

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you know, their names not to be public. Fine, I

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honor that, but you know, I mean these are things

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that if a person stands behind what they saw, usually

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they don't mind sharing.

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Speaker 1: So but yeah, it's just like it.

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Speaker 3: It's just that thing.

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Speaker 5: And what I'm most happy about is people seem to

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love it. Like it's like everything I like about these

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kind of books and all that retro stuff. Everybody has

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really responded to. And I've seen people post pictures of

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my book with other books, those pocket paperbacks from their

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own collection. I'm like, what an honor you know, if

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there's like a you know, John Green book or something,

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I'm like, wow, this is like for me, is a

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right or it's it's really gratifying, and I'm glad people

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have responded in the way they have and love it.

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It's a small book, you know, people like it's different,

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but people get out. I love that, love the feel,

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I love the look, and so you know, I'm like, Okay,

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I'm working on volume two as fast as I can

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because I know people are ready to collect them all.

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Speaker 4: You know, that's a genius format. I mean I just

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looked it up online as the book covering that whole Uh.

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For some reason, the second I saw a pictured Clinton

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Tarantino reading it going like this is great, you know,

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like he does that kind of retro style.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, it's send you bore when you're reading through

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the book, you know, after you get to the title

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and then I guess the narrator is setting up the

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context and everything like that. I totally picture your your sexy,

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smooth voice reading it to me. And I'm lucky enough

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to know you, of course, but anybody who has heard

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you or your podcasts, I think would probably hear your

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voice reading it because you'd be the perfect setup for this,

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which brings about my question. Have you featured any of

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these stories on your podcast? Because you're your podcast unlike ours,

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ours is just you know, shooting the poop with friends basically,

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but yours is a storytelling format in your in your podcast,

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and it takes a long time to produce these things,

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and they're they're just exquisite, you know, they're they're they're

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pieces of art basically, you know, where we throw these

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things together every single every week. Have you done any

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of these stories for your podcast?

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Speaker 5: I actually have the there's a few of them that

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have been on there, you know, sort of in relation

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to the topic of that podcast. For example, I did

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a two part on skunk apes, and I include this one,

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the Creature of Cedar Key, which is one of the

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all time best cryptid reports I've come across ever. And

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you know, I'm sort of a writer first and every

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the narrator and all that other stuff second. And I've

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never been able to write this one up, even though

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I've had the report for like nine years. But I

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was in a monster mart in Falk, Arkansas, and I

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just know go there frequently, and I was in there

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one day and two women were in there with their

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mother and they'd come to town and the owner of

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the monster mart had said, well, Lyle Blackburn's on its

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way up here, like oh wow. So they hung around

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because they wanted to talk to me. And anyway, these

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these two sisters said, we've never told anybody about this,

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but we were in Florida. We had gone on a

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cruise and they were headed back, driving back home, and

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they were driving through an area where there had been

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a hurricane and they had a sighting of a large,

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upright bipedal thing walk across the road in broad daylight

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in front of them, and it, you know, it freaked

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them out that these are not ladies that were into

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bigfoot or anything. And unlike a lot of reports, I

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had two witnesses there. They were sisters, but I was

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able to talk to them both, and I mean just

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I was like, wow, now there is no question about

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what you saw. I mean, you know, you had two

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eyes on it. It was daylight, clear visibility in an

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area that had, you know, a history of skunkap reports

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which they did not know about. So there's ones like

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that that it just I had interviewed people and sort

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of had on the files and I did cover that

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in one of my podcasts. So this is sort of

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a companion piece where now I'm writing up the narrative

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of the whole encounter. But it's gratifying to me again

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to be able to document this in print as I would,

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you know, as I've done with other things like Boggy

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Creek encounters and so forth. And yeah, it was really

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nice to include it here because I didn't have any

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there's no constraints, you know, it didn't matter where it

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occurred or what year it occurred. I'm able to put

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it in the book because well, there's a chapter on bigfoot.

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These are the best you know.

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Speaker 1: Of these stories in here, I see some of the

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classic Beast of Brave Road, for example, I've seen I've

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been flipping through. I've been seeing some stuff. I see

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you mentioned Fahrenbachn here. Are there any stories for you,

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or perhaps individuals for you in the book that really

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stand out in one way or another, like either the

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strong personality or extraordinarily a convincing or anything like that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, certainly, you know, because some of these, you know,

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are are gleaned from other sources where I felt that

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they had been well documented and they, you know, serve

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the purpose of the book. I mean, the accounter needs

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to be lengthy enough to you know, have substance, and

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it needs to be something that kind of had an effect,

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you know, on the witness, you know, usually fearful or

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you know, this was something that affected them as they

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saw it. But yeah, there's there is several. There was

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one it's speaking of dog Man. You know, I don't

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I've got dog Man reports, and I'm you know, I'm

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skeptical about Man. But there have been some that I've

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gotten or people I've interviewed where I said, you know

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what I don't. I don't know how to explain that

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but there's There was a guy who had contacted me

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and he had come out to the Texas Bigfoot Conference

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and saw me there and he said, you know, I've

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never told anybody this, but when I was younger, I

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was a hunter, and I went out with my father

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in Louisiana and he said, I saw something that sounds

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like a dog man. He says, I don't know what

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it was, but he proceeded to tell me about And

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he was about twelve at the time, and he had

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just his father had just started letting him hunt by himself,

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you know, go off and have his own stand, and

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they went out. He went out there one morning and

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got in this ground blind and just as you know,

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the son was coming up. He said he saw what

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he first took to be a coyote coming in about

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seventy five yards away, and it got closer. And as

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he looked at this thing, he's like, that doesn't quite

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look like a coyote.

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Speaker 3: It's bigger. It it just looks odd.

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Speaker 5: And you know, more light is coming in as the

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sun's going up, and this thing goes to where they

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had some corn laid out on the ground, and they

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had they'd actually mixed this corn with peanut butter. I

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guess they found that that would draw in the deer.

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And he had also hung up some dough that was

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hanging in the tree, so you know, they had it

475
00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:35,680
all there, and this thing kind of came up and

476
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,480
it kind of went to the corn, and he said,

477
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,319
then it kind of sniffed around. He said, it stood

478
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,880
up on two legs and then walked over there to

479
00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:49,519
the tree where the doe you'reine was hanging and inspected that,

480
00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:53,799
and he said, turned around and on two legs walk back,

481
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,599
and then I guess it was eating on the corn

482
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,279
or the peanut butter. It did this a couple of times,

483
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,440
and of course in the process of this, this kid

484
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,319
is just you know, thinking what am I looking at?

485
00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:09,480
And you know, he just got down on the bottom

486
00:24:09,519 --> 00:24:12,599
of that stand and the thing eventually walked off and

487
00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:16,119
disappeared into the woods. But it really struck me as

488
00:24:16,319 --> 00:24:19,519
like I identified with it because when I was young,

489
00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:22,880
you know, my father was an avid hunter, so I

490
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,160
was in the exact same situations where just as I

491
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,599
started getting old enough, you know, I had a gun

492
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:33,039
and my dad would then say, okay, you're you can

493
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,480
you stay in this stand and then I'm going to

494
00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:40,440
go off to mine and I'll come back after son

495
00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:43,640
up and get you. And you know you felt real

496
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:49,160
brave and and you know, mature. But I'm just thinking, man,

497
00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:52,160
I know if I would have seen that thing back

498
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,559
when I was young, sitting out there by myself in

499
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,839
the woods, it would have freaked me out, just like

500
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,200
it did this guy. And I could tell this guy

501
00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:02,720
was not making this up. And you know, he wasn't

502
00:25:02,759 --> 00:25:04,759
claiming it was a dog man. He didn't know what

503
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,200
it was. He just said it was very scary. And

504
00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:09,759
and so those are the ones where the witness you

505
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,799
kind of would identify with him, and I connected with him,

506
00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:15,640
and I said, man, if you don't mind, I'd love

507
00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:18,480
to put that in this book because that that's exactly

508
00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:21,160
what I want to put in here. You know, this

509
00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:23,680
is a real life encounter and it sounds scary.

510
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 3: It's just scary. I read that with my hair up

511
00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:27,200
like I was.

512
00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:29,319
Speaker 1: I was like, like, this is like I could just

513
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:30,240
the way you wrote it.

514
00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 4: I was there and I was like a fourteen year

515
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,519
old kid seeing this, and it was just like, you know,

516
00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:36,079
I was surprised when I said, I asked about this

517
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,599
while was like the thing never noticeding like and I

518
00:25:39,799 --> 00:25:40,839
noticed a few of these.

519
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 3: Like where it's the big foots. It's almost never like you're.

520
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:45,319
Speaker 4: Hidden and observing a big foot where they don't like

521
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:47,240
just turn around and look at you, like like just

522
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,279
zap in on you instantly, like you know, you always

523
00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:51,000
hear like people like I was. I was, you know,

524
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,440
like in my you know, I was all like a

525
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:56,519
gilly suit turkey turkey hunting, you know, and I was

526
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,160
completely camouflaged and holding still and it was one hundred

527
00:25:59,240 --> 00:25:59,599
yards with it.

528
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 3: It's snap head back and looked right at me.

529
00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:04,839
Speaker 4: Like these other cryptids like dog Man and the goat Man,

530
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,680
it seems like they they aren't as like they don't

531
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,759
they're not like like picking up on people as much

532
00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:12,559
as well. It seems like dog Mandy, but the goat Man,

533
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,039
like that was either creepy. One that really set out

534
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:17,079
to me was the one the guy I think it

535
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,400
was Minnesota Missiere or something. The guy was up in

536
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,079
a deer stand in that satyr I guess it was.

537
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,240
Goat Man came mumble and bidles with sins. It was

538
00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:26,880
mumbling and cursing and a trespassers and.

539
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 3: Like that one really freaked me out too.

540
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:35,079
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, And that's a compliment because I do I

541
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,079
write these up to make it as I try to

542
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,039
put the person there.

543
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 3: You know.

544
00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 5: It's like, because that's the way I feel about a

545
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,799
lot of crypto encounters. We feel like, oh, you know, hey,

546
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,039
I saw this or whatever. But if you're really out

547
00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:48,880
there by yourself in the woods and you see a

548
00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:53,039
seven foot tall, powerful looking whether it's a bigfoot or

549
00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:56,240
you see something even weirder like a goat man or whatever,

550
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,960
these are life changing experiences. So I really want to

551
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:02,799
put the reader there and front and and try to

552
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,359
you know, ride it in that way to where you

553
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,440
can you can kind of envision yourself just like you did,

554
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,880
like being in that stand watching that if you were

555
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:13,279
a hunter.

556
00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:15,799
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that's exactly what I try to do.

557
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 4: I was on the goat man thing I could I

558
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:20,279
wasn't sure, like when that guy was up with the

559
00:27:20,279 --> 00:27:21,920
tree stand and stuff and that one went by.

560
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 3: Are they are these? Sometimes when you say goat man,

561
00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:26,799
is that does that mean on four legs? Like a

562
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:27,759
goat lower body?

563
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,279
Speaker 4: And then sometimes it's like a human upper body and

564
00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:32,599
a goat below the waist or whatever.

565
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 3: But is there sometimes they two legs and sometimes are

566
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:36,480
they four legs.

567
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 5: Typically, you know the goat men ones are you know,

568
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,440
the legs or the lower body of a goat and

569
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,240
they're walking on two legs though, but they don't have

570
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,640
four legs. I mean their upper torso is more you know, humanoid.

571
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:55,079
And of course when it comes to goat man, you know,

572
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,640
it's like it's it's a far stretch. So you know,

573
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,559
I really have to search around to even find enough

574
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,759
to fill up that chapter that I feel are credible enough,

575
00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:08,960
and even at that, there's not many. And of course,

576
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:12,240
but you know, there's some classics like the Lakeworth Monster

577
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,200
incident where the classic nineteen sixty nine attack where I

578
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,319
was able to interview the son of that guy. And

579
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,960
in this case the one you're talking about. My colleague

580
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,680
Nate Couch, he's done a lot of research on goat man,

581
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,279
and I reached out to him and said, you have

582
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,839
any really credible ones where people actually supposedly saw, you know,

583
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,359
something walking on two legs that you know fell into

584
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,680
the category of goat man, And that's one of those.

585
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:43,359
So yeah, it's mostly just their upright, it's not the

586
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,160
opposite where it's like it's a four legged goat with

587
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:52,640
a human head or something weird like pig man or something.

588
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,559
You go, well, is it that face of a pig

589
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:56,319
or the body of a pig and the head of

590
00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:58,359
a man? You know what are we talking about here, folks?

591
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: Or just the demeanor up a pig?

592
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

593
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,279
Speaker 4: But have you noticed that though, Like I mean, because

594
00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:06,880
you've done plenty of bigfoot investigations, does it seem like

595
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:09,599
it seems like the bigfoots are like, you know, locked

596
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,759
in on people, like right like they they'll spie, like

597
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:14,000
they they can feel you looking at them. They they

598
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:16,160
look right where they'll turn and look and snap their

599
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,000
head and like staring right at you. Like it seems

600
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,440
like the other cryptis aren't aren't as aware as ever?

601
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: Have you know something? I just making that up?

602
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,359
Speaker 5: No, one hundred percent, I know what you're talking about.

603
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:29,559
And yeah, now that you point that out, because you know,

604
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,119
there's one in the book about a hunter Mike Wooley,

605
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,519
who was a friend of mine who had an encounter

606
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:38,240
and he was in a deer stand and it was

607
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,079
it was like that the bigfoot walked into you know,

608
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,400
and his line aside, and after a few moments it

609
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,720
just looked right up at him as if, yeah, I

610
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:51,359
know you're here, and you get that a lot. I

611
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,680
think with Bigfoot, and yeah, like you say, with these others,

612
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:57,279
they just tend to be going about their business in

613
00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:01,319
the woods and usually don't even and look at you

614
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:05,319
most of the time, not always, but I don't know.

615
00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:10,400
I think Bigfoot naturally, I would speculate that they're probably

616
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,799
a little more intelligent and a little more aware of

617
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,559
what's going on around them than say, some of these

618
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,200
more errant animal like cryptids.

619
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:22,839
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

620
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:31,799
Bobo will be right back after these messages. So the

621
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,000
first three chunks of your book Beastly, Bigfoots, devil Monkeys,

622
00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:40,200
and anomalous apes, they all seem to describe unknown primates

623
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,599
of some sorts. And I did read in the Double

624
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,559
Monkeys and preamble, if you want to call it that,

625
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:47,839
that some of these descriptions of the double monkeys, at

626
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,559
least in particular, show tales. So beyond the tail thing,

627
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,279
the presence of tales in some of these observations of

628
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:58,960
these creatures, is there anything to suggest that there's more

629
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:01,079
than one species It's like, could these all just be

630
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,680
sasquatches in different circumstances, or do you think there's actually

631
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:06,519
other things, that's something else going on.

632
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,599
Speaker 5: I think there there would have to be something else

633
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:15,680
going on. Now, the different, the beastly bigfoots, those are

634
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:18,599
just pretty much straight up what I would consider classic

635
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:23,279
bigfoot descriptions, the anomalous apes. And I broke that off

636
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:26,240
into its own chapter because I've gotten these reports that

637
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,799
seem just a little off, like the bigfoot would be

638
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,920
described is really thin or in some ways not what

639
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:38,559
we typically think of as you know, the anatomy of

640
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:42,160
a bigfoot, and so I kind of broke those off.

641
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,440
And people describing things as monkey men, you know, it's

642
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:51,599
splitting hairs here. But those I think can generally fall

643
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,680
into bigfoot and perhaps, you know, I mean just like

644
00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:59,880
humans not you know, we all weigh, we're different sizes,

645
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:02,839
we way different with different heights. You know, that certainly

646
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:08,319
can apply to bigfoots. Devil monkeys, however, definitely seems like

647
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,839
something else. And those descriptions, well, you know, lack of

648
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,640
a better comparison, is more like baboon like and either

649
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:19,519
it has a tail or it doesn't and there's definitely

650
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,559
more few and far between. And I wanted to include

651
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,000
devil monkeys just simply because I've heard a lot about it,

652
00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:29,599
and you see, like, supposedly there's this category of cryptids

653
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,279
devil monkeys. So I'm like, you know what, I'm going

654
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:33,359
to look into that. I'm going to find what credible

655
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,200
encounters there are, and it just seems like something to

656
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:40,119
put in terrifying encounters. So, but I think the descriptions

657
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,839
there are one of two things. Either it's it is

658
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:46,960
simply a mistaken identity perhaps. I mean, if you saw

659
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,039
a baboon jumping by in the woods, it would be freaky.

660
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:56,559
Or there's a cryptid, you know, ape that more closely

661
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,200
fits that, which would have to be a different species

662
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,599
because now we're talking about different anatomy traits. If it

663
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,000
did have a tail or, if it's usually its snout

664
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:07,680
is more elongated.

665
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: I see that they aren't exactly the devil monkey sightings

666
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,759
aren't exactly grouped where I would expect them to be,

667
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:18,599
which is you know, Florida, Louisiana, you know, the South

668
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,960
basically where it's generally warmer all year round. There's actually

669
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,799
the first two chapter, first two sub chapters are from Virginia,

670
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,640
for example, and then it goes on the Illinois I think, So,

671
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,240
what do you think the chances of the devil monkeys

672
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:34,160
being some sort of you know, illegal pet set loose

673
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:35,799
or something to that effect.

674
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, you know, more skeptical about those. And while

675
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,160
you know, the witnesses truly surely believe they saw something

676
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,920
that they couldn't quite identify, it doesn't mean that it

677
00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:54,240
wasn't It wasn't you know, an exotic path that got loose.

678
00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:57,640
Because again, if you depending on the angle and the lighting,

679
00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:00,200
and if it's at night and you're driving a car

680
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:03,440
or whatever, you know, if you saw something that was

681
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,279
baboon like and it jumped out and jumped at your car,

682
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,679
and you know, you may not be expecting to see

683
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:14,880
a baboon or a mandrel or something. So I think,

684
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,039
you know, there is room for interpretation over what these

685
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:21,400
people actually saw, but they they do seem committed to

686
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,280
I saw something that did not fit in anything I've seen,

687
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,559
you know, at a zoo or in.

688
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: A book, or any known animal.

689
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 5: You know, most people know what a baboon looks like

690
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,400
and so forth. So yeah, and like you say, they

691
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:38,280
don't seem to be in an environment like Virginia. It's like,

692
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:42,760
you know, if these things were living indigenously, it doesn't

693
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,360
seem like a place where it would be hospitable because

694
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,320
you know, most primates live in more of a subtropical environment,

695
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,440
so you know that would that would be its you know,

696
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:59,840
normal habitat. So yeah, definitely anomalies and you know, could

697
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:04,639
be escaped pets and other things, but you know, nonetheless

698
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:06,679
a terrifying encounter, I suppose.

699
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: And they would be terrifying. I mean having and I

700
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:11,119
think Bobo can agree with this as well. Is that

701
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,400
being around monkeys out in the world. You know, whether

702
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,880
it's in the Paul and the temples and the paul

703
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,360
are all sorts of monkeys are just hanging out stealing

704
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,000
stuff from tourists and whatever else. Or the golden snubnosed

705
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,599
monkeys we had the opportunity to hang out with in China.

706
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:30,840
Monkeys are horrifying and terrifying, even like the friendly, rather

707
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,880
docile ones that with their fifteen pound Oh I think

708
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,480
a fifteen pounder can rip your stuff up, man, Just horrifying,

709
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,800
horrifying little critters. Man, the worst pets in the world.

710
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,760
You know, you think you think your children are bad,

711
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:46,880
wait till you get one of these.

712
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,119
Speaker 5: Man my grandmother used to own. I believe it was

713
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:53,800
a spider monkey. Now that was when she was younger.

714
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,679
I never saw the thing, but apparently it was. It

715
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:02,159
only liked her. Anybody that came around it showed its

716
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,760
teeth and it was unpleasant. They finally had to get

717
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,440
rid of it because it was, you know, just protective

718
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,000
of my grandmother. And I was like, how in the

719
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:13,199
world does one get a monkey? Or Dad would always

720
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,000
bring home bizarre stuff and he's like, here, I got

721
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:19,519
you this monkey. So but yeah, they ain't keep it long.

722
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:23,480
But you're right, I mean monkeys of any size, you know,

723
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:26,840
they're they're oh, it's cute. Well if it you know,

724
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,239
when it gets aggressive, it is it is not cute.

725
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,360
And those things are are scary, even at any size.

726
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,079
So surely, you know, if you imagine a bigger version

727
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,360
of that or something that we're going to call a

728
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,519
devil monkey, it's like, I don't want to encounter that

729
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:42,360
in the woods.

730
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:42,599
Speaker 4: You know.

731
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, probablymates make terrible pets, which is part of the

732
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,840
reason I don't have children.

733
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,599
Speaker 5: Right, and not to mention they tend to fling things

734
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:53,679
that we would think are unsanitary. It's not it would

735
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,039
not be pleasant in your house.

736
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just not verbally right.

737
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,159
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, So but anyway, it was it was fun

738
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,920
to kind of look into the double monkey thing, just

739
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:11,960
the because you know, oftentimes, you you know, say you're

740
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,000
on a cryptied website, they have all you know, here's

741
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:16,519
all the types of cryptids, and you know, that's double

742
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:19,679
monkeys is a type. But I'm never really you know,

743
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,880
investigating now what now, what reports are there of this

744
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:26,719
and what witnesses have claimed to see? And again there

745
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,760
one it's one where there's just not a lot. I mean,

746
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:33,079
it may have its own classifications as a cryptid, but

747
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:36,599
like goat man, when you start really delving into it,

748
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,480
that those categories are based on very few reports, and

749
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,639
you know, it's not as prevalent as say Bigfoot. You know,

750
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,119
I could do one of these on Bigfoot alone. I

751
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:49,320
could do five volumes, no problem, you know, because you

752
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,599
could just more than you can. There's just more encounters.

753
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,320
But these and then they're fun to research and to

754
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,960
kind of get my mind around, because again, if something

755
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,280
I've heard of over the years but never really spend

756
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,719
any time or how to you know, had a reason

757
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,599
to kind of look into it. Now, I'm sort of like,

758
00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:08,480
you know, I know about deble monkeys, and I can

759
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,880
you know, somebody asked me about that, Now I can

760
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:13,760
you know, impart what I know about it.

761
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: It could spit a little truth at them, right, but

762
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:19,960
their own experience. So these other you know, goat man

763
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,880
and you know that sort of stuff that like, I

764
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:25,159
don't think goat men are a thing, but they do

765
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,559
pop up every once in a while, but they pop

766
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:31,440
up with such infrequency that I just can't imagine that

767
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:33,840
there is a physical reality behind them. So there must

768
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,679
be something else. And I kind of put dog man

769
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,119
in the same category. I don't think it's a physical thing,

770
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:40,039
but I know a couple of good witnesses and I

771
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:42,599
don't think they're lying. So what do you think is

772
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:44,960
behind this? Is this some sort of like arc type

773
00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:49,079
sort of thing, or some sort of psychological phenomenon or

774
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:52,320
something truly paranormal, or what are your thoughts on these

775
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,679
extraordinarily rare cryptids that just the data isn't there for

776
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:00,320
you know, like like in a sasquatch situation, and where

777
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,000
there's tons of data, it's probably a real animal. These

778
00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:05,840
other ones, who knows, what do you think is going on?

779
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 4: Right?

780
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

781
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,159
Speaker 5: I think, you know, in the case of these other

782
00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:14,320
ones they say goat man, I think it's a combination

783
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:16,079
of several things.

784
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: You know.

785
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 5: Again, you have witnesses that I've I believe they saw

786
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,440
something that you know there they categorized as a goat

787
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:30,360
man for lack of any other thing to describe it as.

788
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:33,320
And so I think, you know, it can be a

789
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,039
combination of misidentification. I mean, certainly a lot of these

790
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:41,320
things are in you know, the dark woods, or it

791
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:45,480
happened briefly and they believe they saw horns. It was

792
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:48,639
some kind of upright hairy looking thing. They believed believed

793
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:52,039
it had horns, like in lake Worth close to where

794
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:53,960
I live, and I had, you know, did my book

795
00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:57,719
on the Lakeworth Monster that we discussed. You know, the

796
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,639
first witness is the first witness who basically had a

797
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,119
fight with it, described it as a goat man. He

798
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:08,880
said he thinks it had horns, it had thinks it

799
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,400
had hoofs. And then you had all these subsequent witnesses

800
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:17,159
who saw something that they felt was unusual, but they

801
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,360
described it as it. Yes, it had white colored fur,

802
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:24,639
but it looked more like a bigfoot. So you're like, well,

803
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,639
did the first guy, you know, because of the panic situation,

804
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,880
did he see things that maybe he felt were there

805
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,480
but weren't there, and maybe it was just simply a

806
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:37,519
white sasquatch. And that's kind of the argument I pretty

807
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:41,920
much make in my Lakeworth Monster book. But you know,

808
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:45,480
at the end of the day, it's propagated on the internet.

809
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:47,480
This is a goat man encounter and that's what the

810
00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:48,719
witness believed he saw.

811
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 3: So well, what was the time that was in those

812
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,639
sightings of the goat man than the white thing?

813
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,679
Speaker 5: Very not much time at all. So that was he

814
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,880
had the encounter on July tenth, nineteen sixty nine, and

815
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,599
there was some There was a sighting the very next day,

816
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,639
and then for about several months there was a lot

817
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,480
of sightings and then it kind of got fewer and fewer,

818
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:17,079
But the next couple of years you still had encounters.

819
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:19,559
So they were all kind of right there in the

820
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:23,480
late in nineteen sixty nine and through the fall, in

821
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:27,280
which people describe seeing pretty much a white looking ape.

822
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,760
So it was all in one time period.

823
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, what doesn't make sense to me?

824
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 4: Is that because the one that the one that was

825
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,039
like throwing the tire down there and all that when

826
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:38,840
there was the big foot that when people are saying

827
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,320
it was like a big foot that that, I mean

828
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,440
that thing was seven foot tall and was capable of

829
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:45,719
throwing a tire like where no human could, like you know,

830
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:49,960
like super strong, and like there's no way if a

831
00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:52,079
seven foot big foot dropped out of a tree on

832
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:53,519
top of a car.

833
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 3: Roof, I mean, you'd see some real damage.

834
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,039
Speaker 4: And then I don't see any dude like knocking it

835
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:01,559
down like a foot big foot and like you know,

836
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:03,800
able to you know, get it off the you know,

837
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:06,360
his wife's door and then you know, get back into

838
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:06,639
the car.

839
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:07,039
Speaker 1: You know.

840
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 4: It's just it doesn't some like it could be a

841
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,320
big foot to me or how to be like not

842
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,039
the same one that the you know, like they're you know,

843
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,039
the same time frame. It's just like to be like

844
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:18,400
maybe an offspring, like a young, smaller white big foot.

845
00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:20,320
I don't know, It's it's just I never I just

846
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,559
could never see that part about anyone be able to

847
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:25,920
take the advantage on on something like that. You know,

848
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,559
these humans are just two I mean because you take

849
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,320
a one hundred and fifty pounds chimpanzee and some guys

850
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,159
try to tackle like that would just rip the guy's

851
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:32,880
arm off.

852
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,559
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, no doubt.

853
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,119
Speaker 5: I mean it's that's why I think that it's sort

854
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:41,440
of a combination of things. Like you know that the

855
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:46,039
tire throwing, there's there's pretty much that's believed to be

856
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:50,119
probably somebody rolling the tire down the hill and it

857
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,760
just took a lucky hop, you know, and that may

858
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,039
not be actually connected because people just went crazy when

859
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:57,880
those sightings got in the paper. And so now you

860
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,679
got all these people down there, now it's hard to

861
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,280
discern between what was a sighting, what was people messing

862
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,360
around And yeah, with the guy getting attacked, now while

863
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,800
he steadfastly said I was I had, you know, confronted

864
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,840
this thing and it was trying to get inside the

865
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,760
car to get my wife, I mean, it's this is

866
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:24,360
is adrenaline's pumping. He's in the moonlit woods out there.

867
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,880
His description, you know, could be somewhat inaccurate. It could

868
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,519
have been smaller than what he thought it was, because yeah,

869
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:36,679
if you're going to confront something that's the size of

870
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,519
a bigfoot and you're going to get nowhere, it'll.

871
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 3: Just crush you.

872
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 5: And you know, if you think about if you if

873
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,760
you ran into just a gorilla in the woods, I

874
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,480
mean that thing had just throw you, you know, across

875
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:53,599
one hundred yards and take you down, and there's nothing

876
00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:55,440
you can do about it if that's what it wants

877
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,320
to do. So you know, I I I think when

878
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,639
it comes to these other cryptids, I find that these

879
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,519
people are witnesses who believed what they saw and they

880
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,480
described it in the best way they could. But it

881
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:13,519
doesn't lead me to just say, Okay, definitely there's there's

882
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:17,119
goat men running amok, same thing with a Maryland goat man.

883
00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:19,480
There's all those stories, you know, but if you get

884
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:22,880
up there and you start looking into the actual reports,

885
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,559
there's not that many where the people said it was

886
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,920
I saw a goat man. It was always like we

887
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:30,639
heard the sound, are we this and that? And you

888
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,440
know that gets sort of thrown into the data. But

889
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,159
those are not very well documented encounters and don't describe.

890
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,280
What I would say, is I need I want you

891
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,880
to you should see this thing, not just surmise that

892
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,599
you heard a stick crack in the woods and well

893
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:50,599
I'm in goat man area, it must be the goat man.

894
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,320
So yeah, it just boils it down to just a

895
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,800
few encounters in which people actually describe these things, and

896
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,960
that's not very much to go on. But you know, again, nonetheless,

897
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:08,360
they're unusual things that people experienced that we don't have

898
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,880
a real good explanation. So I mean, I'm I'm one

899
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,960
that you know, I like to keep my mind open.

900
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:18,159
I can't prove these things anymore than the next person,

901
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,960
So I don't know if they're paranormal or what we

902
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,000
would call paranormal, or just simply experiences that people were

903
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:32,400
under duress and described things that were you know, could

904
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:36,800
could be explained possibly, but under the circumstances, this is

905
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,599
the way they interpreted it. So they saw what they saw,

906
00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:42,679
and I don't claim to know all the answers. I

907
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,639
just present them as you know, here's the facts behind

908
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:48,320
this encounter.

909
00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:53,519
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

910
00:45:53,760 --> 00:46:02,440
Will be right back after these messages. Have you been

911
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:03,440
going to the woods at all lately?

912
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:04,599
Speaker 3: Somewhat?

913
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,599
Speaker 5: I've been up to Fouc more often than other places lately,

914
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,480
so and that tends to be my main home base

915
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:18,840
regardless of what else I do, because there's been some

916
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,159
pretty good sightings in the last couple of years. So

917
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:24,519
I've kind of just kept on that, and the more

918
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:27,079
my scope has become, the more I'm like, you know,

919
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:31,679
I'm overwhelmed with options and places to go, and I'm like,

920
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,159
you know what, Buggy Creek has always seems to be

921
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,039
the place where this mystery could certainly exist, and that's

922
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:42,519
within my you know, it's only three and a half hours.

923
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:45,159
So I've been going up there as frequently as I

924
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,440
possibly can and just continued to I don't know, enjoy

925
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,960
enjoy the swamps, but as well keep my eyes open

926
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:55,920
and get out there with game cameras and other things

927
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,559
to where I can possibly you know, document some evidence.

928
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

929
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:02,039
Speaker 1: I think last time you were on you were telling

930
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:04,440
us about the sighting you personally had in that area.

931
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,000
Has there been any follow up on either your situation

932
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:11,960
that you encountered there or other people seeing perhaps even

933
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,000
the same animal in the same general area.

934
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:17,599
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, you know, and that's another reason obviously I've

935
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:19,880
been back up there. I did go back up there

936
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,000
and took a couple of guys with me and we

937
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:26,719
went back to the site, and I was able to

938
00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:30,840
kind of re envision and reconstruct that so I could

939
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,239
get some better estimates of the distance and things, you know,

940
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:40,440
kind of the old finding Bigfoot where Bobo would stand

941
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,519
in for the Sasquatch and we you know, kind of

942
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,679
I was like, yeah, that's about where it was, and

943
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,239
I got a better idea of you know, how tall

944
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,239
it could have been and how how far away. And

945
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,920
actually on my YouTube channel, I actually.

946
00:47:57,199 --> 00:47:58,599
Speaker 3: Show all that I went up.

947
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 5: I filmed it as I did it and sort of

948
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:06,079
gave everybody the story and literally show the exact spot

949
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:10,079
where it happened. So I've done that, and of course

950
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,599
we didn't see anything while we were out there in

951
00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:16,239
that area, as it usually goes. But there hasn't been

952
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:21,679
really any sightings or any sighting reports that I've come

953
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,480
across in that very area since, or any ones that

954
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:29,199
I would consider Okay, they you know, they were there

955
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,079
and they saw the exact same thing. Though there's been

956
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:34,239
a few other sidings, but they've kind of been further

957
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:39,119
away down I guess more south on the Bayou, you know.

958
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,719
But the way it goes with that usually it's kind

959
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,119
of nothing, nothing, nothing, and then all of a sudden

960
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:48,639
you'll get two or three really good reports, and oftentimes

961
00:48:48,679 --> 00:48:52,559
from one specific area to suggest that one of these

962
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:56,239
things was, you know, spending a little time in a

963
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:57,199
specific area.

964
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: So when you'd go to the woods, what is your

965
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:03,000
mo like, what do you actually do out there? Because

966
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,320
everybody has their own style of based on what they

967
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,039
enjoy doing. If you go to the woods, say you

968
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:11,400
have a weekend or something like that, what do you do, like,

969
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,719
what's your research technique for lack of better term, Well.

970
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:19,079
Speaker 5: For me, I'm kind of less of a gadget person

971
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:22,119
than I am, just kind of old school boots on

972
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,840
the ground observation, So though I do you know, I'll

973
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,559
usually put a game camera in a strategic location once

974
00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:33,039
I get to the area, and we try to camp

975
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,880
at least as much off the grid as possible. And

976
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,440
there are places in fout that I'm able to go

977
00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:42,760
that you know, are not public campgrounds and so forth,

978
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,039
and so you know, we get there and we will

979
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:49,239
set up camp, put the tents out, and then usually

980
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,119
go put up a few game cameras, and then I

981
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,079
like to do a lot of hiking back as far

982
00:49:57,199 --> 00:49:59,360
as I can, and I'll do it. I'll go along

983
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:03,400
the cree and places where there's a lot of muddy

984
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:07,039
area and just look for tracks, you know, as far

985
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:09,320
back in there as we can possibly go, which is

986
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:13,320
unfortunately that's become harder over the years because there's more

987
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,239
and more feral hogs that just tear everything up. And

988
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,360
I've seen that where it's like, oh my god, there

989
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,800
could you know, this thing could have walked to here

990
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,679
with the best you know, trackway ever and it would

991
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,639
just be destroyed later that night by these these hogs.

992
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,440
But nonetheless, we do a lot of hiking back in

993
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:34,360
there and usually try to go deep into areas where

994
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:37,920
either we haven't gone before or the areas where we

995
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:41,199
feel like most people are not going, and just kind

996
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,800
of observe. And then a lot of times at night

997
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,880
we will put some audio recorders out and listen, because

998
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,960
you will get unexplained howls, and you'll get wood knocks

999
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,159
and things like that, of course, and you know, of

1000
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,239
course you get those on tape, and you know, I

1001
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,639
don't know if they know what they prove other than

1002
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:03,679
to yourself. Is like, if you're confident that you're listening

1003
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,440
to one of these creatures, then you're like, Okay, we're

1004
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:08,159
in the right area.

1005
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,119
Speaker 3: So do you have red wolves there?

1006
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 5: No, there's not really any wolves. There's cougars, you know,

1007
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:20,719
mountain lions, and there's been a couple of bear reports

1008
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,480
and sightings, and actually I see what I believe it.

1009
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:27,719
So the last time I was there, I was hearing something.

1010
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,960
I swear it was a bear making kind of a

1011
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:36,719
distinctive vocalization, and that was odd because I've never heard

1012
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,480
that up there, but not completely out of the ram

1013
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:43,719
of possibility, because there literally have been bear sightings. I've

1014
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,280
never seen a bear track up there, though, And I've

1015
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,280
asked a lot of hunters how many times have you

1016
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,320
come across a bear track? And a few of them

1017
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,840
will say, you know, twenty years ago I saw one.

1018
00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:58,000
But there's a little more population of black bears coming

1019
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:01,840
into East Texas and Louisiana in southern Arkansas, so they're

1020
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,400
out there. So you know, we just spend a lot

1021
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,079
of time just going in the woods and if we

1022
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,599
a lot of times, if we have a boat, which

1023
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:16,239
is either a canoe or just a swamp boat, we'll

1024
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,400
take those deep back in there in the Bayous, like

1025
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,119
total old school legend of Boggie Creek and we'll get

1026
00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:25,519
out and you know, look for tracks on those banks

1027
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:28,199
and sometimes just go down there and sit at night

1028
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:31,880
and just kind of listen to the sounds. And then

1029
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:36,239
we've gotten some go pros on the like on the dash,

1030
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:39,599
so when we drive back and forth through there, A

1031
00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:41,599
lot of times we'd drive at night. You know, Hey,

1032
00:52:41,639 --> 00:52:43,360
you never know something's going to run across.

1033
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 3: So that's kind of what we do.

1034
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:48,159
Speaker 5: And just even if, you know, even if nothing happens,

1035
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,239
it's always enjoyable because you're out there and you know,

1036
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,320
the home of the legend of Boggie Creek, and it's

1037
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,559
just that beautiful countryside and spooky swamps and I just

1038
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,840
I feel right at home there.

1039
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,679
Speaker 1: So what's coming up for you? A lyhile? I mean

1040
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,559
between I know you have a new book coming out.

1041
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:07,840
It's gonna I guess volume two of Terrifying Encounters. I

1042
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,719
know you're on at least a couple appearances because I'm

1043
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,440
doing something with you, I think in Florida in June

1044
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:16,480
here coming up and Google Town. Your band, of course

1045
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:19,079
is probably playing like anything that our listeners might want

1046
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:20,599
to attend or check out.

1047
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, So a lot of it's been a busy year already,

1048
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:29,079
so yeah, I'm hoping Terrifying Encounters Too will come out

1049
00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:33,840
around first of July. It's actually already written, so I'm

1050
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,840
just kind of got to go through the editing process

1051
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:41,000
and production trying to get those out as frequently as

1052
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:44,800
I possibly can, because they're obviously they're smaller books, and

1053
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,880
you know, you take five months to write it, and

1054
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,840
some guy says, hey, it was really great, I read

1055
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:51,480
it one day.

1056
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 3: Get it Okay, I'll hurry up.

1057
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 5: But yeah, we got the fount Monster Festival coming up

1058
00:53:58,519 --> 00:54:01,679
April twenty fourth and twenty fifth, which you know, obviously

1059
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,639
that's one of my favorite festivals. And I've got some

1060
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,280
other appearances coming up in Kentucky, and I'll be at

1061
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,440
the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference. You know, there's a couple

1062
00:54:11,519 --> 00:54:15,840
of a couple of encounters that I'm going to follow

1063
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,039
up on in my journeys where I'm going to veer

1064
00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:24,039
off and investigate some areas and talk to witnesses that

1065
00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:27,280
I've kind of got on the list there as as possible.

1066
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,119
And then Ghule Town is actually in the studio right

1067
00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:33,000
now recording a new album, so I have to balance

1068
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:35,880
the day job or the night job, because you know,

1069
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,679
it's a band, so one or the other. But we're

1070
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:43,079
working on a new album and talking to a kind

1071
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:46,280
of a pretty big label that's kind of become interested

1072
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,599
in putting out our stuff. So who knows, but I

1073
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,400
just I keep doing it all. It's it's always fun.

1074
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,679
And I'm just really happy that people responded so well

1075
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,480
to the to the retro Terrifying Encounters book that that

1076
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:01,679
really fires me up because I really do want to

1077
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,079
make like a whole collection of these and so, yeah,

1078
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,119
lots of cool stuff.

1079
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: To work on. Well, your book just ticks so many

1080
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,079
boxes for us, you know, especially people like my age

1081
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:14,800
or you know, because it has that nostalgia thing built

1082
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,920
into it. It reads like you're watching in search of

1083
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,440
the story. You know. I'm not a story guy, but

1084
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:22,360
you're such a good writer that you wrote me in.

1085
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,559
When I start reading this and I can hear your

1086
00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:27,280
voice reading it to me like a bedtime story from

1087
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,639
Lyle Blackburn, I just love the thing. I just absolutely

1088
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:31,760
love it, and I think it's going to be a

1089
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,880
huge hit. So Lyle, thank you so much for popping

1090
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,400
by and hanging out with us for this hour. I

1091
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:37,320
really really appreciate it.

1092
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 3: You are.

1093
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:40,679
Speaker 1: I think you have the most appearances on Bigfoot and

1094
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,199
beyond of all the guests, I think, what's a bit

1095
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,159
Matt prot to ver fact check me on that one.

1096
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:48,800
And what if anybody is interested in what Lyle's up to,

1097
00:55:49,079 --> 00:55:51,119
of course you can go to Lyle Blackburn dot com

1098
00:55:51,559 --> 00:55:54,119
and check out everything from Gooldtown to new books, to

1099
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:56,800
appearances to everything else this guy's into. He's all over

1100
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,840
the place. So Lyyle, thank you very much.

1101
00:55:58,719 --> 00:55:59,119
Speaker 3: For coming on.

1102
00:55:59,199 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: Man, I appreciate you.

1103
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 5: I'm quite honored to you know, have appeared on the

1104
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,679
show this many times, so you know, you guys were

1105
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:11,480
there when I first started doing this stuff, and I've

1106
00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:14,760
been influential, and it's just just an honor, and you know,

1107
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,320
just to be continue our friendship and explore these fun

1108
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,159
topics together.

1109
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,159
Speaker 4: I just love that stuff, all right, Well cool, Lyle, Yeah, man,

1110
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:24,719
it's honor for us to have you on. There's a

1111
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,079
reason you're our most returned guests and everyone knows why.

1112
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,280
And you're also are one of our top favorite cryptian writers.

1113
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,559
So yeah, thanks so much for coming on. And I

1114
00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:36,199
know your book's going to be a success. I really

1115
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,559
enjoyed it yeah, and we'll be talking to you soon

1116
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:39,840
and Volume twer comes out.

1117
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,039
Speaker 3: Sounds awesome, all right?

1118
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:44,519
Speaker 4: Okay, folks, thanks for joining us on big Footing Beyond

1119
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,760
with Clipping Bobo and our guest Lyle Blackburn. And until

1120
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,559
next week, y'all keep it squatchy.

1121
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,960
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1122
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:02,800
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