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<v Speaker 1>This book is excellent. This book is really a masterpiece,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's absolutely insane to talk about it in the

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<v Speaker 1>context of the other books. For you, I am dead serious.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>When he sat down to write it, he was like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is going to be long.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the writing of this book.

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<v Speaker 4>What I don't like are the words.

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<v Speaker 1>He described something else as a sinus through which infection

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<v Speaker 1>was bred.

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<v Speaker 2>Was that when the went into her sign no no, no.

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<v Speaker 4>That was Oh she didn't realize this man was doing ABC.

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<v Speaker 4>She didn't realize this man was doing that, but she

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<v Speaker 4>did know how to ride.

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<v Speaker 2>His Hello everyone, and welcome back to Mean Book Club

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<v Speaker 2>Season twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it really yeah? Big twow, that's really cool twenty you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, but it feels like I have aged that much.

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<v Speaker 4>And honestly, the past six months, so much has happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say not for me. I'm like, so I

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<v Speaker 1>look more youthful than ever thanks to I feel.

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<v Speaker 3>Like maybe twenty nine is my correct age. I yeh

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<v Speaker 3>feel not. Don't ask me to do something to.

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<v Speaker 2>Physically, I would say, I feel thirty two. I feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like that's the age where I stopped aging,

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<v Speaker 2>and I refuse to accept aging. But here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>We have an amazing line of books this season, and

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<v Speaker 2>this first one is The Corrections by Jonathan Franzen.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, they read that. They are really so.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot to fit in a brain.

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<v Speaker 4>They're so pretentious.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they must have graduated in high school. Yeah all

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<v Speaker 2>these things, that's what you're thinking. But let's let's introduce ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>I just thought that they must have graduated school. Joke.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a burn because sometimes we get little mean reviews,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of them was like, do so like they

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<v Speaker 1>haven't even graduated high.

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<v Speaker 3>School, which is so rude to everyone with a GED.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so good everyone without a GED.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just yeah, I know a lot of really awesome

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<v Speaker 1>eleventh graders who may or may not graduate someday. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. That's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not a teacher job.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know any.

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<v Speaker 4>But like the contest, why are you hanging out with kids?

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<v Speaker 2>I do know.

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<v Speaker 1>Some young people, and I know that they're great people

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<v Speaker 1>and they're smart, whether or not they go on to

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<v Speaker 1>their eleventh and twelve years of high school.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you think there's not eleventh grader reep or you

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<v Speaker 2>keep saying eleven, Like eleventh to me is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not eighteen. That's what to me you're saying. You're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to say they're not.

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<v Speaker 3>Or you told a weird lie. You're either a creep

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<v Speaker 3>or a liar.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I just didn't want to insult I school

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<v Speaker 1>students are currently in high school and they're gonna graduate

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<v Speaker 1>in eleventh grade.

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<v Speaker 2>Is like, you know, I feel like we should be

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<v Speaker 2>more concerned about insulting people who just didn't graduate high

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<v Speaker 2>school and that are still very smart people.

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<v Speaker 1>We might insults.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, if if you've shown up at the We're rain Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>get ready, this is kind of might be a target tonight.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait, can I just say that. When Johanna started to

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<v Speaker 4>explain it, I was like, Johnna, everyone knows, everyone knows this,

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<v Speaker 4>But that's crazy. And so maybe I am stupid because

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think every listener is just reading all of

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<v Speaker 4>the reviews of the podcast and then.

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<v Speaker 3>In arms.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe emails.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a really mean one that came in about

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<v Speaker 1>me recently. We should read that at some point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can empower it. All right, great, we'll come

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<v Speaker 2>back again. We have read it.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's a different.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's a different one. Okay, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, let me introduce myself because I have some

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<v Speaker 3>explaining to do. Okay, I'm Clara. You might not recognize

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<v Speaker 3>my voice. It's because I'm sick, and if it's bothering you,

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<v Speaker 3>I just want everyone to know. I sent a voice

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<v Speaker 3>message earlier today to the other three hosts and said,

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<v Speaker 3>it's your call. Do you think this is acceptable? And

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<v Speaker 3>they unanimously were like, you're fine too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're sick. Quote so yeah quote.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're upset about my voice, please take it up

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<v Speaker 3>with these three or my level.

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<v Speaker 4>I need everyone to know that in this voice note,

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<v Speaker 4>she said explicitly, I'm not playing this up and then

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<v Speaker 4>laughed a little bit, which indicates to me that typically

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<v Speaker 4>she would it's like hello, But she.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like, I'm not even doing bad.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounded so bad I had to clarify that it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't fake. I was honestly priced by everyone's reaction.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know some this you. You already had a

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<v Speaker 2>unique voice, so I honestly feel like everyone was going

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<v Speaker 2>to know this was you anyway, because they would just

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<v Speaker 2>be like normal.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, but they'd be like, what's up? Is she okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, sure, sure, well, thank you for telling them they.

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<v Speaker 1>Were our listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>And so again we are the host of Me and

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<v Speaker 2>book Club. We read New York Times bestsellers that you

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<v Speaker 2>tell us like should they be because you read it

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<v Speaker 2>for book club? You hated them? Whatever it is, I

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<v Speaker 2>along with Clara and one of your hosts, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 1>Burton, I'm your other host, Jonas Crabis.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm your other host it's Brina b.

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan and twenty seasons. Yeah, we've gotten that intro in

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<v Speaker 2>the bag, I say, Clara.

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<v Speaker 4>Clara just made it crazy. Though we have an order.

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<v Speaker 3>Clara made it crazy. We straight went straight into the

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<v Speaker 3>intros right after we said the book. There was no

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<v Speaker 3>chit chat about is that hurt anybody's feelings? There wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>a twenty minute tweet.

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<v Speaker 1>I see how long we've been recording. It was in

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<v Speaker 3>All right, I know that.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, guys, corrections Jonathan Franzen, Why the hell are

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<v Speaker 2>we reading this? Okay? Well, it comes from one of

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<v Speaker 2>our patrons, who an elite, an elite patron, he so

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<v Speaker 2>elite that he gave us so munchy much money that

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<v Speaker 2>we could not refuse but to read his book and

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<v Speaker 2>that's something you guys can do too. Okay, check out

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<v Speaker 2>our patreon. Become a patron, and we don't say no

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<v Speaker 2>to you.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't take you anything you want, including this nine hundred.

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<v Speaker 4>Page It is required to be a New York Times

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<v Speaker 4>best seller.

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<v Speaker 2>It is that is a realm.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say, that's true. Did you listen to our

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<v Speaker 1>whole last season?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Those listen.

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<v Speaker 4>It is a requirement. Mistakes are made, but that doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>mean you just changed the whole foundation of who you are.

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<v Speaker 2>True, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. I guess we're easily tricked, so you can

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<v Speaker 1>get us in all kinds of ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, please don't yeah, a little photo way. Okay, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what George Saved Davis said. He said, I want

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<v Speaker 2>you to read the corrections by Jonathan Franzen because I

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<v Speaker 2>genuinely want to feel like I'm not going crazy. And

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you hate this book as much as I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Around the time this book came out, it was considered

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most important novels of the twenty first century,

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<v Speaker 2>and every inane paragraph was like a woodpecker on my

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<v Speaker 2>many people lap this up. The book isn't a word

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<v Speaker 2>mid Fransen writes middleing novels about middle class white people

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<v Speaker 2>in the Midwest. Did you see what he did? Oh? Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>Next steep pages on how much a recliner means to

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<v Speaker 2>like a life laugh love poster. But for an MFA philosopher.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the twist on it.

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<v Speaker 2>George, this is actually a pretty long He goes off.

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<v Speaker 1>Sort of like the corrections. Yeah, there's two more full paragraph.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, honestly, George, you are given friends in with this.

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<v Speaker 2>But do you want me to keep going with everything

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<v Speaker 2>he said? He does? I think there's pretty good choice words.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, his middle brow writing warranted this elitist, priggish attitude.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He has all the trappings of an upperclass snob and

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<v Speaker 1>none of the actual style or pinage.

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<v Speaker 2>George frans And typifies the bespectaled nerds that should have

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<v Speaker 2>been shoved in more lockers and kept there until they

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<v Speaker 2>developed actual character instead of spineless douchary. He's like if

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<v Speaker 2>Brian from Family Guy suddenly came to life and somehow

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. Wow, Family Guy.

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<v Speaker 4>That's really evocative statement, and I do understand it one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is this this George He's he's, he's he's

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<v Speaker 2>the writer himself. I would say, given what he wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh definitely he does.

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<v Speaker 1>He recommends. The only thing tangentially related to frans and

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<v Speaker 1>that I would recommend is the Characters Welcome YouTube channel

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<v Speaker 1>channel called pretentious. Author tries character comedy. So we'll have to.

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<v Speaker 1>If you guys are looking for something to watch after this,

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<v Speaker 1>check that out. I know, I will, I know, I will.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to you Sarah.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, guys, so how did you read this book? Because,

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<v Speaker 2>like we all discussed while picking books for the season,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the length of this one typically would have

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<v Speaker 2>had us throwing it to the side where we not

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll start. I found a BBC radio play far shorter

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<v Speaker 2>than the actual book, so I actually I actually listened

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<v Speaker 2>to that first, and then I went to the book,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I got it all, but did I

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<v Speaker 2>miss some chunks? Definitely?

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like we had Oh sorry, I just feel

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<v Speaker 4>like our journeys were so similar. I started with the

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<v Speaker 4>e book and I got to about fifteen percent of

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<v Speaker 4>And then I went back and I read parts of

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<v Speaker 4>I like, looked for parts of the book that I

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<v Speaker 4>found interesting in the audio podcast to see how it

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was it. It was interesting. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>actually really do think if this book is too much

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<v Speaker 2>for you that like the BBC, I do recommend the

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<v Speaker 2>BBC audio play and I and then I and then

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<v Speaker 2>going uh. It made a lot of it more palatable

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<v Speaker 4>I loved it for the purpose of ingesting the book

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<v Speaker 4>was it did it in ways an injustice to the book.

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<v Speaker 4>It was so shortened down that it was like just

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<v Speaker 2>It. I was fighting. I think it felt goofier in

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<v Speaker 2>the BBC. Okay, sorry Clara John And how did you

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<v Speaker 3>I listened to the audible unabridged for about five days

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<v Speaker 3>straight and made no progress of all. Then I listened

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<v Speaker 1>All right, makeup? Yeah, do you want to keep going?

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<v Speaker 1>She's past you dye take over to make up for

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<v Speaker 1>all of you. I read it twice. I read it, no,

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<v Speaker 4>When you were eleven?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I guess is that really when it came out.

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<v Speaker 2>It came out in two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well when it reached me, which was college, and

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<v Speaker 1>I assumed it was a new release, because I assumed

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<v Speaker 4>Oh well, okay, and just just because you did spie

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<v Speaker 4>finish your listen?

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<v Speaker 1>I did? I did? Oh? I did, Like right before

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, well that fired on me.

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<v Speaker 4>Johnna was shaking her head. No, furiously, I didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>what you were.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to say about me or do, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like where.

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<v Speaker 2>It was going. All right, all right, well you know

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<v Speaker 2>the shots you don't take kind of thing. All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>would you guys like to hear Sarah sums it up.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>I apologize for the length, but we're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>through this. I need someone to play Sarah's thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Johnna, you're Sarah's thoughts. Then I need somebody to

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<v Speaker 2>read what's in bold, which is the actual summary.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd love to. All right, I feel I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>Claire should not.

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<v Speaker 2>Claire, shut up, Claire, don't cough, shut up.

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<v Speaker 3>Treat me all right, a little bit, alright.

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<v Speaker 2>So just this is the summary, and on top of

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<v Speaker 2>hearing of the summary, you also get to hear my thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>While writing the summary and action.

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<v Speaker 1>Pressed for time, a condition that seemed both trivial and existential,

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Comma resigned herself to the task of summarizing the corrections,

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<v Speaker 1>a novel whose resistance to simplification felt ironically like its

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<v Speaker 1>most authentic quality, In a decision that felt at once

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<v Speaker 1>cynical and strangely inevitable, she began writing the summary in

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<v Speaker 1>the tone of mass market chit Lin, an uneasy nod

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<v Speaker 1>to Oprah's book Club, whose endorsement friends and had once

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<v Speaker 1>publicly bristled at an action Sarah quietly understood she would

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<v Speaker 1>never have the ball undertake, she was not above seeking

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<v Speaker 1>approval from the mass market masses.

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<v Speaker 4>The corrections chick lit addition, Enid Lambert just wants one

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<v Speaker 4>perfect family Christmas, but her adult kids are a hot mess.

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<v Speaker 4>Chips a disgrace, professor turned ex pat heart throb, Denise

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<v Speaker 4>is a sexy chef, Cotton a forbidden fling, and Gary's

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<v Speaker 1>The summation struck her as brief, perhaps even charming in

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<v Speaker 1>its economy, though almost immediately she began second guessing its tone,

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<v Speaker 1>its intent, its very existence. She hoped they'd like the writing,

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<v Speaker 1>which was, of course, another way of admitting she still

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<v Speaker 1>cared far too much about being liked.

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<v Speaker 4>Meanwhile, their father, Alfred is quietly losing himself to dementia

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<v Speaker 4>talking to his feces, adding emotional chaos to the already

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<v Speaker 4>messy holiday reunion.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah wondered, not for the first time, whether including the

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<v Speaker 1>detail about feces was necessary or merely gratuitous and appeal

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<v Speaker 1>to the kind of base humor she pretended to disdain

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<v Speaker 1>but increasingly relied upon. Was it honest, was it lazy

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<v Speaker 1>or worse? Was it the exact kind of thing a

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<v Speaker 4>Darkly funny, and secretly steamy. The Corrections is a dysfunctional

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<v Speaker 4>family dramedy about desire, denial, and the impossible dream of

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<v Speaker 4>going home again.

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<v Speaker 1>She wrote the last word of the summary at five

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<v Speaker 1>point forty five pm. She noted the time because the

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<v Speaker 1>digital clock's green numerals seemed to mock her sense of accomplishment,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the sudden vacuum left by a completed obligation,

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<v Speaker 1>her consciousness strifted with the peculiar aimlessness that it fliics

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<v Speaker 1>the modern knowledge worker, until she found herself engaged in

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<v Speaker 1>what could only be described as a kind of performative

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<v Speaker 1>self gratification, another type of button pushing, conducted with the

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<v Speaker 1>same ironic distance she might have brought to watching a

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Burns documentary about suburban on we at the turn

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<v Speaker 1>of the century.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, Sarah, it's really, really long, really good.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it needed to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree. The I have to take issue with

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<v Speaker 2>one thing, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Arrant comma at the beginning that I put it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, things had as I and then I changed the tense. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll admit it.

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<v Speaker 1>You.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't disdain poop humor. That's fair, that's fair, but

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<v Speaker 2>me and very nicely, it is my favorite humor and

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<v Speaker 2>you're absolutely correct about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And we get you. Guys.

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<v Speaker 4>Just as I read the book and like they talked

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<v Speaker 4>about season would never stop talking about sex, I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe this is what it would look like if Sarah

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<v Speaker 4>wrote a pretentious novel lots of lots of sex.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>It did. I mean I did. I think I had

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<v Speaker 2>appreciation for those moments as well. I'm not gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna lie, but yeah, you get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was hard to It's kind of hard and then

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<v Speaker 2>also easy to write a summary. It's funny when you

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<v Speaker 2>shorten what it is and I'm like, wow, not much happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's true, yeah, but uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet there was there's so much in this Johnna, do

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<v Speaker 2>you have I do a pairing or n all right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's time for Johna's.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff, but it's Johnna's jugs.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, what I'm loving it nice.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. We'll keep that in. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think we need times because it didn't read

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<v Speaker 2>the first.

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<v Speaker 4>Time just a little mouse.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So at first I was like, do I do

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<v Speaker 1>something Christmas? Ye, because it's surrounded. The whole book is

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<v Speaker 1>about this adult family coming back to Saint Jude for Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are listening to this at Christmas time, I

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<v Speaker 1>will always recommend a mad Elf. They do a winter

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas logger. It's really great, highly alcoholic. I've recommended on

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<v Speaker 1>the cast before, but that's not when we're doing this,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not what we're talking about. The thing is

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<v Speaker 1>I went to Barbruno, which is in my neighborhood, alone

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<v Speaker 1>one day and I got a bowl of soup and

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<v Speaker 1>an absolutely incredible cocktail. And it was so incredible that

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<v Speaker 1>I took a picture of the menu to steal it.

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<v Speaker 1>I am telling you you want to have this cocktail.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason it makes sense is they're on a cruise

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<v Speaker 1>at one point, and this is the kind of drink

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<v Speaker 1>they would have on the cruise. But it's also the

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<v Speaker 1>perfect drink of summer. The drink was called rose all day,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the little tagline was, well you accept this rose.

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<v Speaker 1>I did, And here are the ingredients. No, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what. I don't know obviously their proportion, because enough

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know their proportions because all I did was

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<v Speaker 1>drink it. But I will tell you the drink was

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<v Speaker 1>bright purple, so keep that in mind when you're mixing it.

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<v Speaker 1>It is tequila. They recommend Herodura silver, but you guys know,

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<v Speaker 1>just tequila. Okay. Hibiscus tough to get, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's the thing that makes it purple. Okay. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a sweet and hibiscus. I heard the bartender say

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<v Speaker 1>that to someone else. I didn't speak to anyone there, lime,

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<v Speaker 1>mint and rose. Holy shit. I got to actually one

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<v Speaker 1>right after wow wow yeah, and I just.

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<v Speaker 3>Know how Yeah, how'd you describe the flavor?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you compare it to the profile?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it is like tasting it is sweet because

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<v Speaker 1>you have a nice rose and you can taste the rose,

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<v Speaker 1>the pop of the rose, but you're also having a

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<v Speaker 1>tequila based drink. So I was also thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, it's basically like a wine and a

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<v Speaker 1>shot with every glass, and it's purple, and it is refreshing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it goes down really smooth.

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<v Speaker 3>So does hibiscus come in some sort of liquefied for all?

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<v Speaker 3>My understanding is that that's a flower.

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<v Speaker 1>That is my understanding. So I don't know if they

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<v Speaker 1>crushed a flower up. I guess it's a little hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a liqueur. There is hibiscus liquor.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that I bet it's hibiscus liqueur. As long as

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<v Speaker 1>it's purple and unsweetened, that's what you're looking for.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also extract. It's a cranberry like flavor.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you guys, if you have a party and you

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<v Speaker 1>want to wow people with your cocktails, a rose all day.

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<v Speaker 2>And then also read The Corrections by Jonathan Franzen and

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<v Speaker 2>just talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I must have like a book club or something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's crazy. It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>The referenced jin a munch Fields. It's a lot of drinking.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of drinking happened because just a lot of words.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. This book, uh, this book, The Corrections. It

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<v Speaker 2>came out in the week before nine to eleven in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and one, and it spent fifty weeks on

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<v Speaker 2>the New York Times bestseller list. It got beyond that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because sometimes we read books that like barely

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<v Speaker 2>make the best seller list, but no, this one is

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<v Speaker 2>a widespread critical acclaim. It won the two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>one National Book Award for Fiction. The two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>two James Tate Black Memorial Prize for Fiction. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a finalist for the National Books Critics Circle Award, the

431
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<v Speaker 2>Penn Faulkner Award, and the two thousand and two Pultzer

432
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<v Speaker 2>Prize for Fiction. A finalist, just to clarify so, and

433
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<v Speaker 2>probably most importantly, it was a Oprah Winfrey Book Club

434
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<v Speaker 2>selection two thousand and one, which is where the fun began,

435
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<v Speaker 2>because there's a bit of a feud France and was

436
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<v Speaker 2>feuding with Oprah.

437
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<v Speaker 4>Can you imagine feuding with Oprah? Not somewhere do you

438
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<v Speaker 4>get off?

439
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? And why why you think you're so much better

440
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<v Speaker 3>than hers?

441
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<v Speaker 2>That's funny.

442
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<v Speaker 1>I could easily imagine feuding with her, but I think

443
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<v Speaker 1>it would be a fool's Errand but I could imagine

444
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<v Speaker 1>being pissed.

445
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so what happened?

446
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<v Speaker 4>She want to recognize you?

447
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<v Speaker 2>He won?

448
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<v Speaker 1>Lets her dogs everywhere on set? That's what I heard.

449
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<v Speaker 1>Oh everywhere?

450
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<v Speaker 2>That's that's there's.

451
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<v Speaker 3>No hold on, hold on? Okay, I think how many

452
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<v Speaker 3>dogs does she have?

453
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<v Speaker 1>Like?

454
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<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's not on purpose, Maybe it's like, I'm really

455
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<v Speaker 3>busy getting my show ready. Could someone please look after

456
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<v Speaker 3>my dogs?

457
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<v Speaker 2>Is this the assistant's fault. Let's blame the assistant. But

458
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<v Speaker 2>why why the few?

459
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<v Speaker 5>Sure?

460
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<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying, I think is what you guys are

461
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<v Speaker 2>all asking in your minds, even maybe not with your words,

462
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<v Speaker 2>but in your minds. So in an interview with National

463
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<v Speaker 2>on NPR's Fresh Air, he said he was worried that

464
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<v Speaker 2>the Oprah logo on the cover would dissuade men from

465
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<v Speaker 2>reading the book. He said, I had some hope of

466
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<v Speaker 2>actually reaching a male audience, and I reader in signing lines.

467
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<v Speaker 2>Now the bookstores say, if I hadn't heard you, I

468
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<v Speaker 2>would have been put off by the fact it was

469
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<v Speaker 2>an Oprah pick. I figured those books are for women.

470
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<v Speaker 2>I would never touch it. So that was the reason why.

471
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<v Speaker 4>He was That is so spec did after having read this.

472
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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, So I think then she removed it from

473
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<v Speaker 2>the booklest but I will say eventually, I guess he

474
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<v Speaker 2>came back crawling and for his next novel, Freedom, she

475
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<v Speaker 2>did pick it and they did kind of make up.

476
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<v Speaker 2>But still pretty interesting. Oh.

477
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<v Speaker 4>Also, now I feel like I can imagine feuding with

478
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<v Speaker 4>Oprah and it's me starting it right now. I can't

479
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<v Speaker 4>believe she ever forgave him. That's ridiculous. Look, I do

480
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<v Speaker 4>think a bad move.

481
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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have maybe said it publicly, but I do

482
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<v Speaker 2>think he's probably right that having the Oprah thing. Would

483
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<v Speaker 2>like that sounds true if that makes sense, that maybe

484
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<v Speaker 2>fewer men would buy it if it had Oprah on

485
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<v Speaker 2>the cover.

486
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<v Speaker 4>Sure, And if you don't respect women enough to want

487
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<v Speaker 4>them to read your.

488
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<v Speaker 2>Book instead, yeah, that's that.

489
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<v Speaker 3>I feel like he could think it. But to go

490
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<v Speaker 3>out and.

491
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<v Speaker 2>See, yeah, it wasn't It's not something you say in

492
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<v Speaker 2>a public interview. Not not very bright. One final award.

493
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<v Speaker 2>I must mention that this book was shortlisted for the

494
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<v Speaker 2>Bad Sex and Fiction Award, which is a literary review

495
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<v Speaker 2>They award books to the authors they deemed have produced

496
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<v Speaker 2>the worst description of sex scenes in a novel. And

497
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<v Speaker 2>I went and looked at the previous winners and it

498
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:32.119
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a book we had read. But I was like,

499
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<v Speaker 2>maybe we should take a look at this list in

500
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<v Speaker 2>the future.

501
00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:37.599
<v Speaker 3>Is it an annual award?

502
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<v Speaker 2>It is, it's an annual award. I think. I went

503
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<v Speaker 2>and looked at what it was. I can't even read.

504
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe a little later I'll read this. There they there

505
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:49.039
<v Speaker 2>was this section that gave it that honor, and it

506
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:53.759
<v Speaker 2>was it was a piece of furniture, chip and a

507
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<v Speaker 2>piece of furniture. Yes, exactly, that was exactly so so

508
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<v Speaker 2>you see it, you get it. We can maybe read

509
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<v Speaker 2>it later. Will keep going, right now, Let's talk a

510
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<v Speaker 2>little bit about Jonathan Franz and himself. He was born

511
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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen fifty nine in Illinois. He grew up in

512
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<v Speaker 2>the Saint Louis suburban of Missouri. Obviously Saint Louis, Missouri

513
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<v Speaker 2>wrote that weirdly, my apologies. He graduated with high honors

514
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<v Speaker 2>from Swarthmore College degree in Germany in nineteen eighty one.

515
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<v Speaker 2>Swahthomore is a Philly college, so that makes more sensus.

516
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<v Speaker 2>So why he had so much Philly in there? And

517
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<v Speaker 2>Fulbright scholarship.

518
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<v Speaker 3>That used to be a women'sool getting there.

519
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<v Speaker 2>No, there's three college, No Swathmore and oh goodness, I

520
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<v Speaker 2>should know this, Bryn Mah, Bryn Mar. Really, I think

521
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<v Speaker 2>you're thinking of brid Mar. So so there are three colleges?

522
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<v Speaker 2>Is that I like in a tri college consortium and

523
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<v Speaker 2>it's Swathmore, Bridmar and Haverford and brid Mare is the.

524
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<v Speaker 3>Well I was just college. You went to school that

525
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<v Speaker 3>was like majority women and still is so disrespectful of

526
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<v Speaker 3>that it would just be interesting.

527
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<v Speaker 2>It would be interesting. No. No, but the people say, dude,

528
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:21.279
<v Speaker 2>know who went to Swathmore. I I kind of do

529
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>see the friends in like it kind of like made

530
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<v Speaker 2>sense to me, this kind of identity. I was like, yeah, yeah,

531
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<v Speaker 2>that makes sense. It was one of those that you like,

532
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<v Speaker 2>make your own kind of like make your own majors

533
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:38.640
<v Speaker 2>and kind of do whatever. You know, real laisse fair

534
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:45.039
<v Speaker 2>real like fartsy artsy, fartsy liberal arts. Anyway, that's that's

535
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:47.799
<v Speaker 2>just some intel. Okay. So he got a full Bright scholarship,

536
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:52.960
<v Speaker 2>so you know, obviously he did well in academics. He

537
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<v Speaker 2>well so he immediately even though so you know he

538
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<v Speaker 2>did all that stuff in German, he was like, actually,

539
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:06.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to write a novel. So he was working

540
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<v Speaker 2>as a research assistant at Harvard University's Department of Earth

541
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<v Speaker 2>and Planetary Sciences, which he co authored a dozen papers.

542
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:16.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how his background led him there. I'm

543
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:20.200
<v Speaker 2>assuming there's some connection because that just was a fact

544
00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:23.640
<v Speaker 2>that was presented to me and doesn't make sense. But

545
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:25.839
<v Speaker 2>while he was doing that, he wrote his first novel,

546
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:28.920
<v Speaker 2>The twenty Seventh City nineteen eighty seventy, moved to NYC

547
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:34.559
<v Speaker 2>with his wife, Valerie Cornell, who's also writer great and he

548
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:38.319
<v Speaker 2>sold that novel. He and Valerie were together for about

549
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:40.720
<v Speaker 2>fourteen married for fourteen years, just Sidepark.

550
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:44.319
<v Speaker 3>Really easy to move to New York when you're married already.

551
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:47.319
<v Speaker 3>I would imagine, why are we're doing this together? If

552
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:49.640
<v Speaker 3>he can make it, he can make it anywhere. Although

553
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:52.400
<v Speaker 3>to do with moving alone, that was a.

554
00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:54.799
<v Speaker 2>Bit of why their marriage fell apart, because I think

555
00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:57.880
<v Speaker 2>he had more success than her and that started the

556
00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:00.519
<v Speaker 2>release stefs from his perspective.

557
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.559
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, who would like that?

558
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Why his dad did have Alzheimer's Just saying that's relevant

559
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:15.359
<v Speaker 2>to and passed away that's relevant to the story, and

560
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:18.200
<v Speaker 2>just his writing style, I would just say, he wrote.

561
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:21.279
<v Speaker 2>He was asked by The Guardian to contribute what he

562
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.480
<v Speaker 2>believed were tense, serious roles to a Bye Bye verse

563
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:25.920
<v Speaker 2>bagging writers, and he included treating the reader as a

564
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:30.160
<v Speaker 2>friend and avoiding the Internet, which seems impossible at this

565
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:34.160
<v Speaker 2>time to do. I don't understand it, but I there's

566
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<v Speaker 2>a lot more to friends than I'm sure. But I

567
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:39.920
<v Speaker 2>ran out of time because I spent so much of

568
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:45.839
<v Speaker 2>it on that summary. So I think we can just

569
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:49.160
<v Speaker 2>get into the book, I will say, and I'm I

570
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:51.680
<v Speaker 2>think I probably won't be the only person with this issue.

571
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:54.880
<v Speaker 2>I know some stuff is like moved around in the

572
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:57.839
<v Speaker 2>BBC audio play, and i'm I know I'm going to

573
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<v Speaker 2>get confused a few times about like what when things

574
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:03.119
<v Speaker 2>happen in the book for his audio play.

575
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:05.720
<v Speaker 1>I'll be here to correct you.

576
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Correct love it, love it, But just quick our review

577
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:17.119
<v Speaker 2>the characters, because this is mostly around them. These family members.

578
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:21.599
<v Speaker 2>There's the Lambert's. Alfred Lambert is the patriarch, a retired

579
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:26.519
<v Speaker 2>railroad engineer, and he's the one with Parkinson's disease, dementia

580
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:32.400
<v Speaker 2>and dementia. Enid Lambert she's the one who wants to

581
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:36.079
<v Speaker 2>have one last Christmas. Gary is the eldest. He's the

582
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.799
<v Speaker 2>banker living in Philadelphia with Caroline and three sons. He's

583
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:46.799
<v Speaker 2>obviously depressed. Chip is the middle child, college professor, failed screenwriter. Uh.

584
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:50.880
<v Speaker 2>And Denise is the youngest daughter. She's a chef working

585
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:56.240
<v Speaker 2>in restaurants. She struggles with her sexuality in a few

586
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:59.119
<v Speaker 2>different ways. I guess they kind of all do. Those

587
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:01.480
<v Speaker 2>are the main characters.

588
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:02.039
<v Speaker 1>Really only important.

589
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:09.039
<v Speaker 2>Anybody feel connected to any of this characters, Anybody anyway

590
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:11.359
<v Speaker 2>where connect.

591
00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:18.519
<v Speaker 3>So when I first read about this book and I

592
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:24.279
<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, great Parkinson, So my dad is Parkinson relatively,

593
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:26.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't know new Ish and I was ready to

594
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.839
<v Speaker 3>be pissed. Then I forgot about that, and while I

595
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:32.359
<v Speaker 3>was reading it, I was like, oh, wow, that sounds

596
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:40.079
<v Speaker 3>a long So he did, I think? Yeah? So then

597
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:42.480
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, he's he must have really experiened.

598
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Did can't get him there?

599
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.599
<v Speaker 3>I guess, yeah, I can't get him there. But I

600
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:54.839
<v Speaker 3>thought it was interesting my personal journey with that. Remember

601
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:56.599
<v Speaker 3>I texted you guys. I was like, well, I'll call

602
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:57.759
<v Speaker 3>out the bullshit on that.

603
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:00.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, like for not.

604
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:06.519
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if I literally was like, I guess that

605
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:10.159
<v Speaker 3>happens to all people. Yeah, I didn't even think this

606
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:11.760
<v Speaker 3>character has the same disease.

607
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:15.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, And in this book, France and does talk

608
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:18.000
<v Speaker 2>about all like there are a lot of top topics

609
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:22.000
<v Speaker 2>he touches on, and he does he's very worthy, but

610
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.519
<v Speaker 2>obviously he attacks them with so much information sometimes like

611
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:27.920
<v Speaker 2>well it's hard to doubt him, like all the stuff

612
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.360
<v Speaker 2>about I mean, I guess what it's called literary realism,

613
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:33.039
<v Speaker 2>but he's talking about like the railroads and stuff and

614
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:34.840
<v Speaker 2>a part of me was like, is this any that's true?

615
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:36.360
<v Speaker 2>And then I was like, oh, I don't know, maybe

616
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:38.119
<v Speaker 2>it's not exactly true, but what is it based on?

617
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:40.440
<v Speaker 2>And then I just was like, I'm never going to

618
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.519
<v Speaker 2>look that up and find out. I wanted to get him,

619
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:46.039
<v Speaker 2>but I wasn't going to get I wasn't gonna get

620
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:50.119
<v Speaker 2>him on any of that. Although I will say with Lithuania,

621
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:54.400
<v Speaker 2>I was not happy about it's portray portrayal of the

622
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:58.760
<v Speaker 2>book as kind of like a post Soviet like, you know,

623
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:04.159
<v Speaker 2>you shoo Deans and their tricking Americans into Lithuania dot com.

624
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:06.239
<v Speaker 2>That's a little bit later, but uh, it's funny. They

625
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:07.559
<v Speaker 2>kind of thought that was funny.

626
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:09.480
<v Speaker 1>That Lithuania even like heard about it, because they just

627
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:11.599
<v Speaker 1>seem like such an easy target. It'd be like just

628
00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:14.199
<v Speaker 1>pick like a country that's never gonna like, you know,

629
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:19.719
<v Speaker 1>this book exists. And I can say that because I'm

630
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:21.119
<v Speaker 1>a quarter Lithuanian.

631
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:26.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and apparently are you. I didn't know though, So

632
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:29.559
<v Speaker 2>what how did you feel reading the parts about Lithuania?

633
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:37.880
<v Speaker 1>You're fucking pissed? Yeah, I've never been there, It's it sounded.

634
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Right, I'm I'm how horrible it sounds.

635
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it sounded like they would be having financial difficulties

636
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:50.519
<v Speaker 1>the post Soviet era. It sounds like sand might be

637
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:51.639
<v Speaker 1>their main export.

638
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they can gravel.

639
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:55.960
<v Speaker 1>That sounded very feel like the rest of this book,

640
00:35:56.079 --> 00:36:00.719
<v Speaker 1>this perfect book that I loved very much. Wait, really, yeah,

641
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:05.639
<v Speaker 1>this book is excellent. This book is this book is

642
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<v Speaker 1>a masterpiece. And it's insane to even have it on

643
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:15.880
<v Speaker 1>the cast to talk for you in the context of

644
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:19.599
<v Speaker 1>the other books. Am I I am dead serious?

645
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<v Speaker 3>Oh, in this cast you called it you essentially called

646
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:25.719
<v Speaker 3>it forgettable.

647
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Wow, I've lived a lot of life since I read

648
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.679
<v Speaker 1>it before. But I'll tell you what. These quotes I

649
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:35.119
<v Speaker 1>wrote down weren't forgettable. They're mastered.

650
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:36.559
<v Speaker 3>Well, you didn't forget them once.

651
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:41.360
<v Speaker 2>So you just you wrote You didn't write down quotes

652
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:43.280
<v Speaker 2>you wanted to mock. You wrote down quotes that you

653
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:47.119
<v Speaker 2>just thought were beautiful and wanted to share. Is that right, Johnna, Yeah,

654
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:50.840
<v Speaker 2>you must miss it beautiful at some level.

655
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:53.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that we're going to destroy them.

656
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:55.039
<v Speaker 2>You must know.

657
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:57.519
<v Speaker 1>I did write down two bad ones. Just like they're

658
00:36:57.559 --> 00:36:59.760
<v Speaker 1>not bad, it's just the metaphors he uses were pretty

659
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:01.719
<v Speaker 1>like that's kind of insane.

660
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:07.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, did they involve breasts in some way, or

661
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:09.360
<v Speaker 4>nipples or the phallis.

662
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:12.920
<v Speaker 1>It was, oh my god, and I like black vinegar

663
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:18.000
<v Speaker 1>beating on white china was how he described someone's iris.

664
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:20.920
<v Speaker 1>And then he described something else as a sinus through

665
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:24.519
<v Speaker 1>which infection was bred. So those ones were kind of funny.

666
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:31.320
<v Speaker 1>But then he described the Enid No, no, no, that

667
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:39.840
<v Speaker 1>was different. The Enid and Alfred relationship. He has this

668
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:46.679
<v Speaker 1>absolutely incredible quote which was like, so h Alfred was uh,

669
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:49.719
<v Speaker 1>he said old things, but he had a young man's face,

670
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and so enis settled for him, and life simply became

671
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:56.519
<v Speaker 1>a matter of waiting for his personality to change. And

672
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.760
<v Speaker 1>I was like, that is so beautiful, and it's like,

673
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:02.039
<v Speaker 1>what's so meny? Any women do they marry someone and

674
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:05.880
<v Speaker 1>they're like, and now I simply need to change his

675
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:12.039
<v Speaker 1>personality little by little until he's right. And it obviously

676
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:13.880
<v Speaker 1>is the theme of the book as well, the correction.

677
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:16.840
<v Speaker 1>She spends her whole life correcting, trying to correct her

678
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:19.119
<v Speaker 1>husband to get into the version she wants.

679
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:21.719
<v Speaker 2>They're all trying to get to the version. Okay. I

680
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.800
<v Speaker 2>will also admit that I do also agree with Johnna

681
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:29.440
<v Speaker 2>that this is a good book. Yes, it is, but

682
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:36.320
<v Speaker 2>I can understand why people would dislike it. I guess,

683
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:42.280
<v Speaker 2>like George, perhaps I just I do. I do agree

684
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:47.079
<v Speaker 2>that like, oh ideally I would love, like, you know,

685
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:49.360
<v Speaker 2>two hundred pages to be edited out of this book.

686
00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:52.639
<v Speaker 2>I think he I like his writing style. I mean,

687
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:57.039
<v Speaker 2>I do like how detached and ironic everything is, like

688
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.480
<v Speaker 2>I really I do really enjoy that, which is why,

689
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:05.280
<v Speaker 2>like the sex stuff was always funny, like it wasn't

690
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.519
<v Speaker 2>like sexy, like a you know how I would usually

691
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:10.239
<v Speaker 2>want the sex stuff, but I was okay with it

692
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:14.159
<v Speaker 2>that because it wasn't it wasn't supposed to be that

693
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:16.280
<v Speaker 2>type of book. If that makes sense. I don't know

694
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:19.000
<v Speaker 2>if anybody. Yeah, So.

695
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:24.280
<v Speaker 4>What I want to say is I like the writing

696
00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:27.880
<v Speaker 4>of this book and I think it's good. What I

697
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:34.880
<v Speaker 4>don't like are the words. And what I mean by

698
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:41.360
<v Speaker 4>that is he's very clearly a good writer, and he's smart,

699
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:47.800
<v Speaker 4>but it is that like classic thing of women are

700
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:52.440
<v Speaker 4>just not fully formed people and it's all about like

701
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:57.840
<v Speaker 4>men and how they get them off and like even so,

702
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:01.000
<v Speaker 4>I specifically because I had read the first like fifteen percent,

703
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:05.159
<v Speaker 4>which was all about Chip and we get really into

704
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:07.679
<v Speaker 4>his psyche and about how he is thinking about breasts

705
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:11.320
<v Speaker 4>all the time, and also the whole thing. Yeah yeah, yeah,

706
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:13.599
<v Speaker 4>and the whole thing. It's like commentary on him being

707
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:18.199
<v Speaker 4>those garravon but it's like they he talks about how

708
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:20.400
<v Speaker 4>many times he says the word breast in his manuscript,

709
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:22.480
<v Speaker 4>which is just like a way to talk about breasts

710
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:26.079
<v Speaker 4>more in this book. And then so I specifically was like,

711
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:28.320
<v Speaker 4>I need to read the Denise parts to like give

712
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.559
<v Speaker 4>this a fair shake. And then you like go to

713
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:34.000
<v Speaker 4>the Denise part and it's like, she didn't realize that

714
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:36.760
<v Speaker 4>this man was doing XYZ. She didn't realize this man

715
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.880
<v Speaker 4>was doing this ABC. She didn't realize this man was

716
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:43.199
<v Speaker 4>doing that, but she did know how to ride his cock.

717
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:48.519
<v Speaker 4>And then she fist pumps after she loses her virginity

718
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:51.719
<v Speaker 4>before going to college. And then in a later scene

719
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:54.920
<v Speaker 4>she's talking to another woman and it was like, oh,

720
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:58.280
<v Speaker 4>they put their little heads together and blah blah blah,

721
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:02.440
<v Speaker 4>and it was just like, you're using your powers for evil.

722
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:03.599
<v Speaker 2>I can agree, this.

723
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:05.519
<v Speaker 3>Is what you liked. Jerman.

724
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:07.039
<v Speaker 4>I take show with.

725
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:09.760
<v Speaker 1>This description of Denise because we're talking about when she

726
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:11.760
<v Speaker 1>was eighteen, she was having sex with one of her

727
00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:15.199
<v Speaker 1>dad's coworkers, and what she didn't realize was that he

728
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:18.239
<v Speaker 1>was using her to get back at her dad because

729
00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:20.840
<v Speaker 1>it was a power move for him to sleep with

730
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:23.360
<v Speaker 1>the daughter of the man he hated. It's actually that's

731
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:26.239
<v Speaker 1>not what the heartbreaking set of the book.

732
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:29.320
<v Speaker 2>But I agree with you, Okay, I agree with you,

733
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Sabrina in that I don't. I think it's hard. Is

734
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:36.639
<v Speaker 2>like I don't relate to the the the Denise the character.

735
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:40.519
<v Speaker 2>And probably the best way for me to describe it is,

736
00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:46.639
<v Speaker 2>have you guys seen Yellowstone, the show Yellowstone? Okay, it's

737
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:51.639
<v Speaker 2>like Beth Dunton. To me in Yellowstone, it's like it

738
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:55.480
<v Speaker 2>feels like a man wrote a man and then just

739
00:41:55.639 --> 00:42:00.199
<v Speaker 2>was like, but now it's a woman, Like yes, and

740
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:07.119
<v Speaker 2>it's women. And I actually because I did have the

741
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:09.639
<v Speaker 2>thought during Denise scene that I was like, I wish

742
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.159
<v Speaker 2>she could have shown this part to some women that

743
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.559
<v Speaker 2>could have been like, no, women don't usually just tweak

744
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:18.519
<v Speaker 2>their nipples, right, And like there was like a few

745
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:20.639
<v Speaker 2>times where I was like, ah, she's I doubt she's

746
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:24.719
<v Speaker 2>doing that. But the everything was so the descriptions of

747
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:29.800
<v Speaker 2>her and everything were so uh, they were so detailed,

748
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:33.119
<v Speaker 2>and it and interesting in the same aspect I was

749
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:38.199
<v Speaker 2>glad that she had as a female, was like, uh

750
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:42.639
<v Speaker 2>not like woe is me or like things were I

751
00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:44.400
<v Speaker 2>don't what am I trying to say. She seemed to

752
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:48.280
<v Speaker 2>have some control over her narrative, like she was the

753
00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:53.000
<v Speaker 2>one making the stupid decisions, as opposed to like, uh,

754
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:55.639
<v Speaker 2>misery is that the movie? Is that the name of

755
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:58.840
<v Speaker 2>the book that malice?

756
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:03.719
<v Speaker 1>Thank you malice time our old time mouse.

757
00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:09.199
<v Speaker 2>Uh so, yeah, but I do agree that I this book.

758
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:12.599
<v Speaker 2>I also did find it very male centric. I did

759
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:15.559
<v Speaker 2>was interested, Sabrina to hear your take on her like

760
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:20.320
<v Speaker 2>sexuality and inability to and like going back and forth

761
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.199
<v Speaker 2>or whether like you were like did you see any

762
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:24.760
<v Speaker 2>truth of that? Or was that just do you think

763
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:27.960
<v Speaker 2>he was just using that to represent something else that

764
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:29.000
<v Speaker 2>was interesting to me.

765
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:34.400
<v Speaker 4>I was excited about the prospect of it a little

766
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:40.320
<v Speaker 4>bit from the audio play, right, it's like, oh, but

767
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:47.000
<v Speaker 4>then the way that it's described is just like, listen,

768
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:50.639
<v Speaker 4>maybe somebody else could have this experience, but it's certainly

769
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:55.400
<v Speaker 4>not my experience, where it's just like, well, you know,

770
00:43:56.000 --> 00:44:00.480
<v Speaker 4>I decided that this isn't right, and then she just

771
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:02.840
<v Speaker 4>like keeps deciding that she's like she's like, now I'm

772
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:07.360
<v Speaker 4>done with men. Now I'm done with women, And it's

773
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:10.840
<v Speaker 4>just like a decision she's making. But I felt like,

774
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:14.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I felt so infuriated by his writing

775
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:18.440
<v Speaker 4>of all the sex things, which is not me, Like

776
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:22.760
<v Speaker 4>I don't dislike sex scenes in books, right, Yeah, but

777
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:26.039
<v Speaker 4>I was so infuriated by the way it was done here.

778
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:27.599
<v Speaker 4>And then I was like, oh, I feel like he's

779
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:31.480
<v Speaker 4>making her a lesbian so that we can envision her

780
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:33.159
<v Speaker 4>having lesbian sex.

781
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:34.199
<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

782
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:37.719
<v Speaker 4>And the scene that I was thinking about that frustrated

783
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:43.480
<v Speaker 4>me was when she the first woman that she dated.

784
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:48.119
<v Speaker 4>If I can just read, they fought a lot. They're

785
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:51.280
<v Speaker 4>fighting life like the sex life that so briefly preceded.

786
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:53.840
<v Speaker 4>It was a thing of ritual. They thought about why

787
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:56.079
<v Speaker 4>they were fighting so much, whose fault it was. They

788
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:58.880
<v Speaker 4>fought in bed late at night, they drew an unguest

789
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:02.840
<v Speaker 4>on unguess reservoirs of something like libido. They were hung

790
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:05.320
<v Speaker 4>over from fighting in the morning. They fought their little

791
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:10.320
<v Speaker 4>brains out, fought, fought, fought. It's just like the line

792
00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:14.880
<v Speaker 4>fought their little brains out made me so mad.

793
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:22.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just as you were reading it, I.

794
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Feel like that's supposed to be like make you think

795
00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:27.800
<v Speaker 2>of fuck their little brains out like that. I know you.

796
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:29.840
<v Speaker 3>Brains.

797
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know the little part.

798
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:35.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's the little Yeah.

799
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.039
<v Speaker 2>That's fair. That's fair. That's fair.

800
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:42.000
<v Speaker 4>It's like, don't worry your pretty little head about it, honey, Yes,

801
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:43.519
<v Speaker 4>bite your little head off.

802
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:47.400
<v Speaker 1>They're not fighting about anything real. They'll have their Let

803
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:50.639
<v Speaker 1>the little dogs go at each other. Yes, no offense

804
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:54.519
<v Speaker 1>to little dogs, thank you. Okay. It's funny that I

805
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:56.840
<v Speaker 1>actually had an example of us, like a sex scene

806
00:45:56.840 --> 00:45:59.280
<v Speaker 1>that I thought was like, actually so sexy. I was like,

807
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:01.679
<v Speaker 1>that's like so oh, I thought it was like a

808
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:04.239
<v Speaker 1>really hot scene. But now that I'm well, now that

809
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:07.239
<v Speaker 1>i'm reading it, it's like all about how he being

810
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:11.000
<v Speaker 1>a man made her into a woman. Oh yeah, it's

811
00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:13.320
<v Speaker 1>like I'm reading which one is it? Okay? So it's

812
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.599
<v Speaker 1>in her bedroom. On his knees, he planted his thumbs

813
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:18.760
<v Speaker 1>on her hip bones and pressed his mouth to her

814
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:21.840
<v Speaker 1>thighs and then to her whatever she felt returned to

815
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:24.119
<v Speaker 1>a childhood world of grim and C. S. Lewis, where

816
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:26.559
<v Speaker 1>a touch could be transformative. His hands made her hips

817
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:27.440
<v Speaker 1>into a woman's head.

818
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:29.559
<v Speaker 4>That line I liked by the way his mouth.

819
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Made her thighs into a woman's thighs, her whatever into

820
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:35.599
<v Speaker 1>a cunt. I loved that it was like his touch

821
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.639
<v Speaker 1>made her hips and a woman's hits in her. I

822
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.199
<v Speaker 1>thought it was also like very funny.

823
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, I do think most of it's funny.

824
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:44.440
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was like really good. But as I'm

825
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:47.280
<v Speaker 1>reading it through this new lens, I am seeing that

826
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:54.039
<v Speaker 1>it's like his touch from a blank nothing blob a

827
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:56.159
<v Speaker 1>plato into.

828
00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:58.800
<v Speaker 4>And like that's what I'm saying, is like I love

829
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:01.639
<v Speaker 4>the way that that's written, but I don't like those

830
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:03.800
<v Speaker 4>words interesting.

831
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do like what.

832
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:07.760
<v Speaker 3>You're saying, Sabena, I like what you're saying.

833
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Plus, no, I think that's the point. I think that's

834
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:21.079
<v Speaker 2>a fair issue with the entire character of what's to say, Denise,

835
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.000
<v Speaker 2>that's not the name, is it.

836
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:27.760
<v Speaker 4>And even like talking about Enid, like later in the book,

837
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:32.119
<v Speaker 4>it's like referencing She's like the day she conceived Gary,

838
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:34.800
<v Speaker 4>then the day they conceived and it was like, is

839
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:39.119
<v Speaker 4>that what Enid's good for is conceiving children? Like I

840
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:40.440
<v Speaker 4>think I was already on a roll.

841
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:42.679
<v Speaker 2>I was already start to look.

842
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's easy to find.

843
00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:02.559
<v Speaker 2>She is. It's okay, I will say, as as as

844
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:05.920
<v Speaker 2>as many of us are a person who has kids

845
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:11.599
<v Speaker 2>and deals with like mother in laws and like parents

846
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:14.400
<v Speaker 2>about over like holidays and the importance of Christmas and

847
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.039
<v Speaker 2>all that. There was a lot with Enid that I

848
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:21.880
<v Speaker 2>like felt pity about and like made me feel bad

849
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:25.960
<v Speaker 2>about and like understanding like her obsession because I see

850
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:29.079
<v Speaker 2>it like in real life. Yeah, like in my life

851
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:34.280
<v Speaker 2>reflected and then also sorry to go to we know.

852
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:37.360
<v Speaker 2>We even talked a lot about Gary, but a lot

853
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:40.719
<v Speaker 2>of his stuff with his wife. I also was like, oh,

854
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:42.840
<v Speaker 2>this is I hate how much of so much of

855
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:48.880
<v Speaker 2>this is like hitting for me, Like I'm understanding Gary's perspective,

856
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:51.800
<v Speaker 2>and I totally see myself doing the exact same thing

857
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Caroline's doing, you know, like, and I'm and I was

858
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.079
<v Speaker 2>his story. I was thinking, like, he just needs some bills,

859
00:48:59.119 --> 00:48:59.960
<v Speaker 2>please get this man.

860
00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:05.840
<v Speaker 1>It's funny because I feel like Enid is the whole

861
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:08.360
<v Speaker 1>She's the whole heart of the book. She's the main character,

862
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:11.119
<v Speaker 1>and she is when you look at her through the

863
00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:13.800
<v Speaker 1>lens of her children or through Alfred, she seems like

864
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:17.480
<v Speaker 1>this really simplistic, sort of pathetic character who's like her

865
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:21.519
<v Speaker 1>whole life is just her family, and she's like old

866
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:27.079
<v Speaker 1>and kind of dotty and annoying. But like I think

867
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.480
<v Speaker 1>as the viewer, you're supposed to see Enid as much

868
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:33.039
<v Speaker 1>more than that, as this like whole and complex person.

869
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:37.079
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, actually, this like it's this really kind

870
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:39.159
<v Speaker 1>of sad portrait of this woman who just wants to

871
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:41.920
<v Speaker 1>have one more Christmas with her family. She knows her

872
00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:44.039
<v Speaker 1>husband's not going to make it to the next one,

873
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:47.320
<v Speaker 1>and she's like just asking them for like she's given

874
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:49.440
<v Speaker 1>them everything her whole life, and she's like, can you

875
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.840
<v Speaker 1>just come for a couple days home with your children

876
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:57.079
<v Speaker 1>and your spouse's and or you know, in Chip's case,

877
00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:59.800
<v Speaker 1>just Chips, just Chip, Just Denise, just come and be

878
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Please let me get nine tickets to the Nutcracker. And

879
00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:07.159
<v Speaker 1>it's so heartbreaking in part two because like a lot

880
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:09.679
<v Speaker 1>of it really ring true to me that like there

881
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:12.679
<v Speaker 1>was this moment of like Denise Denise's trip went like

882
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:15.719
<v Speaker 1>every other. The first day she came home and she

883
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:18.880
<v Speaker 1>was so kind and loving and she was determined at

884
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:21.719
<v Speaker 1>anything that her mother asked, and the second day she

885
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:27.480
<v Speaker 1>woke up mad. It's so oh, it just hits home

886
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:30.920
<v Speaker 1>to read it because you're like I've.

887
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Done this, Yeah, yeah, I know. And you're like it's

888
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:38.079
<v Speaker 2>it's like I'm understanding the kids and like why they

889
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:41.000
<v Speaker 2>do those things because I've done those things. But yeah,

890
00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:43.960
<v Speaker 2>it definitely pulls your heartstrings for like, oh, the things

891
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:46.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing to my family or like my mom or

892
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:47.480
<v Speaker 2>my mother in law.

893
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:49.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that I would have had a different

894
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:57.159
<v Speaker 3>opinion before I had children, because you don't really understand

895
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:02.000
<v Speaker 3>the sort of self sacked, like the extent of self sacrifice.

896
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:04.599
<v Speaker 3>It's just like yeah, like, yeah, a mom is supposed

897
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:10.360
<v Speaker 3>to do that, so goes later loser.

898
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:14.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think like, oh, now.

899
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:20.920
<v Speaker 2>I just want us all to wear beels for what day?

900
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Why is that so hard? But also, like you know,

901
00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:29.559
<v Speaker 1>if you've ever seen someone like take care of someone

902
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:32.239
<v Speaker 1>who's aging, and you kind of see the craziness of

903
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:35.039
<v Speaker 1>it and like the complex things and hoops that they're

904
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:37.280
<v Speaker 1>jumping through to like keep care take care of the

905
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:39.639
<v Speaker 1>other person, and as an outsider, you're just like, this

906
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:43.000
<v Speaker 1>is a crazy setup. What are you guys doing. I

907
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:45.119
<v Speaker 1>also saw that in the book, where it's like they're

908
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:47.880
<v Speaker 1>just doing the best they can, Like she is, yeah,

909
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:50.039
<v Speaker 1>of course it looks a little stupid, and she at

910
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:52.960
<v Speaker 1>times may seem selfish or like she's not handling it,

911
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:55.119
<v Speaker 1>but it's like she's feeling it pretty well for a

912
00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:56.880
<v Speaker 1>seventy two year old woman, like.

913
00:51:57.519 --> 00:51:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or worrying about what her kids do and all

914
00:51:59.880 --> 00:52:00.880
<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff.

915
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:02.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

916
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:05.199
<v Speaker 1>All the comparisons to the wealthy neighbors.

917
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, oh yeah.

918
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:10.480
<v Speaker 3>I know a guy who there.

919
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:11.920
<v Speaker 1>I was like her.

920
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:14.800
<v Speaker 3>My mom and the mom were friends, and they were

921
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:16.599
<v Speaker 3>like that family was like a forest friends and we

922
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:22.480
<v Speaker 3>all hated them. And the oldest son like works selling

923
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:26.159
<v Speaker 3>ad space in some catalog that happens to be owned

924
00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:28.599
<v Speaker 3>by the Washington Post, and his dad says he works

925
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:29.639
<v Speaker 3>for Washington.

926
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh my God's god, my mom said.

927
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:38.159
<v Speaker 1>I was like, told a neighbor was like talking about

928
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:41.559
<v Speaker 1>SNL cast members, and my mom was like, that's Johnna's friend.

929
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:48.519
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, what are you talking about? Because

930
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:49.800
<v Speaker 1>I live in New York City.

931
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:55.679
<v Speaker 2>We did a show once together. Listen, ye fairness.

932
00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:59.519
<v Speaker 4>I feel like she could genuinely believe that. It makes

933
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:02.519
<v Speaker 4>me think of how your aunt one day in high

934
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:06.119
<v Speaker 4>school was like, I've found the perfect man for you.

935
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:15.119
<v Speaker 4>He lives in the area, he is hardworking. Sydney Crosby,

936
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:17.239
<v Speaker 4>you know, my.

937
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:20.199
<v Speaker 1>Hand was like caught like for like a couple months

938
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:24.400
<v Speaker 1>because I was lifeguarding at the pool where the Lemus

939
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:26.920
<v Speaker 1>swam and Sidney Crosby like lived with them. He was

940
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:29.400
<v Speaker 1>new to the penguins. My hend was like, I.

941
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:32.079
<v Speaker 2>Don't like he was new to the penguins, but he

942
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:35.239
<v Speaker 2>was like almost like immediately the captain, like he was

943
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:38.880
<v Speaker 2>immediately the the most.

944
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:42.239
<v Speaker 3>And the way It's like I've I've found a man for.

945
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Man every woman wants to like in this.

946
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:49.559
<v Speaker 1>If you don't know, if you know hockey, you know

947
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:51.400
<v Speaker 1>how silly this is. If you don't, if you're for Pittsburgh,

948
00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:52.920
<v Speaker 1>you know how and say that is if you're not,

949
00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:54.800
<v Speaker 1>it is like a kin to being like, you know

950
00:53:54.880 --> 00:54:03.480
<v Speaker 1>who seems like really nice. Liam Hemsworth his brother Christopher

951
00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:09.119
<v Speaker 1>is like, no, yeah, that's very funny.

952
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:11.400
<v Speaker 3>But she might have been right. She might have been right,

953
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:14.760
<v Speaker 3>like may not be off right?

954
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:21.480
<v Speaker 4>I mean yeah, sure for sure, I'm would have been incredible.

955
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I agree, I think I have I have

956
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:28.280
<v Speaker 1>never heard of Jonah.

957
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:31.440
<v Speaker 3>I've never heard of Jonah Ice skating. She has a

958
00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:33.320
<v Speaker 3>lot of those sort of hobbies, but I haven't heard

959
00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:33.679
<v Speaker 3>of ice.

960
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Get your ears checked.

961
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:44.719
<v Speaker 2>She's doing ice skating stuff, all right. I don't know.

962
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:49.039
<v Speaker 1>I say, we could talk about the turd.

963
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:54.559
<v Speaker 2>The turd. I did find that funny. I found it

964
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:59.639
<v Speaker 2>disturbing and upsetting. But I was like, let me just.

965
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:04.079
<v Speaker 3>My father is not incontinent. I know, I said there

966
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:06.079
<v Speaker 3>was a similarity that wasn't.

967
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:08.800
<v Speaker 2>But well, you know what, I want to embarrass that part.

968
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:13.039
<v Speaker 2>That part, as far as I thought, it's like my

969
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:16.239
<v Speaker 2>grandfather had dementia, my grandmother and they're like, I've definitely

970
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:19.840
<v Speaker 2>dealt with incontinence with them, and so kind of to

971
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.639
<v Speaker 2>me that stuff, It's like, yeah, they don't mean to

972
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:25.400
<v Speaker 2>like it's I don't know. I mean maybe also I

973
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:27.239
<v Speaker 2>deal with it with my child as well, where it's

974
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:28.320
<v Speaker 2>just like Jesus Christ.

975
00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, poop is like nothing to me anymore. By the way,

976
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:34.280
<v Speaker 1>you got to watch train Wreck Poop Cruise on Netflix.

977
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:41.199
<v Speaker 4>I won't okay, it sounds like it's a documentary that

978
00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:42.920
<v Speaker 4>is triangle of sadness.

979
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:45.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to I do want it.

980
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:47.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to know is a non stop laugh.

981
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:51.719
<v Speaker 2>I need that.

982
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:53.760
<v Speaker 1>I need that, So I will check that out.

983
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:57.920
<v Speaker 3>But one more times it's called train Wreck colon Poop

984
00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Cruise on Netflix.

985
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:01.199
<v Speaker 1>Check it out.

986
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Yea cruise. I've definitely seen it. I definitely thought about

987
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:07.280
<v Speaker 2>starting it. Sorry, thank you.

988
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:10.519
<v Speaker 1>But one of the things they like made the passengers do,

989
00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:13.400
<v Speaker 1>I guess if you don't want to talk about poop,

990
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:14.519
<v Speaker 1>like fast forward.

991
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:16.800
<v Speaker 2>There's also a cruise in this book, so we're really

992
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:18.360
<v Speaker 2>very relevant.

993
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:19.920
<v Speaker 1>If you're not interested that like fast forward like five

994
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:21.840
<v Speaker 1>minutes because I'm about to talk about poop a lot.

995
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:24.679
<v Speaker 1>So one of the things they tell the passengers to

996
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:27.119
<v Speaker 1>do on the Poop Cruise is like poop into red

997
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:29.960
<v Speaker 1>biohazard bags because the toilets will overflow if they don't,

998
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:33.480
<v Speaker 1>and everyone like flips out. They're like, I can't poop

999
00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:36.440
<v Speaker 1>into a bag. It's disgusting. And I was like, I

1000
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:38.400
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's the years of having a dog,

1001
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:43.760
<v Speaker 1>or like changing baby diapers or just like camping. I've

1002
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:46.159
<v Speaker 1>never had to poop in a bag, but like I

1003
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:50.159
<v Speaker 1>was just like I could poop in a bag, like, so,

1004
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:51.239
<v Speaker 1>I guess, like.

1005
00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:54.239
<v Speaker 3>Nothing paid a lot of money for cruise and then

1006
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:57.039
<v Speaker 3>they're making and you poop in a bag and you're

1007
00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:57.880
<v Speaker 3>just angry.

1008
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:00.760
<v Speaker 4>Oh, I'm asking to come money back, but I'm gonna

1009
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:01.599
<v Speaker 4>poop in that bag.

1010
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Well guess what they so they created poop Alley, and

1011
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:09.039
<v Speaker 1>then poop Deck and then poop Cruise.

1012
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:11.679
<v Speaker 2>Those are worse things. Those are worse things.

1013
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.000
<v Speaker 3>Have you guys ever tried to travel? Jeane? I did

1014
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:18.440
<v Speaker 3>it a lot when I was pregnant. It's like a

1015
00:57:18.519 --> 00:57:19.920
<v Speaker 3>women's ere.

1016
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:20.400
<v Speaker 1>In all homes.

1017
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

1018
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:22.679
<v Speaker 3>I think I got at plastic thing and then it

1019
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:23.320
<v Speaker 3>has a bag.

1020
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I guess not that specifically.

1021
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:28.880
<v Speaker 1>I think Sarah gave me one once as a joke,

1022
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.599
<v Speaker 1>but I never used it. Oh wow, it.

1023
00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:34.079
<v Speaker 2>Wasn't a joke. It was a serious presence and you

1024
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:36.039
<v Speaker 2>didn't use it. I am did.

1025
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:40.800
<v Speaker 3>You like keep it on in the car gyp in

1026
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:41.760
<v Speaker 3>the car which.

1027
00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:44.719
<v Speaker 2>You don't wear it? It's not like which is hard. Actually,

1028
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:47.119
<v Speaker 2>that's such a good idea for pregnant people, because like

1029
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:50.920
<v Speaker 2>there were times where like I couldn't need was out

1030
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:53.599
<v Speaker 2>and needed a bathroom and like couldn't didn't have access

1031
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:54.119
<v Speaker 2>to one.

1032
00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:58.119
<v Speaker 4>How do you covertly do that?

1033
00:57:58.599 --> 00:57:59.440
<v Speaker 3>You do it in the car.

1034
00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:00.280
<v Speaker 2>You do it.

1035
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:02.400
<v Speaker 3>It's all in the car. It's all in the car. Okay,

1036
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:07.280
<v Speaker 3>I did l like once? Wow, tricky it's a little tricky, but.

1037
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Wow, I'm not in the car that much, so not

1038
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:17.639
<v Speaker 2>to you guys. You guys want to talk about some things.

1039
00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh you're want to talk about Chip's affair with that

1040
00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:23.320
<v Speaker 2>student Melissa.

1041
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:27.920
<v Speaker 4>No, the yeah, that was that was sick.

1042
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:32.119
<v Speaker 2>It was I I I kept I didn't understand why

1043
00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Melissa wanted to have sex with him.

1044
00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:38.360
<v Speaker 3>I guess, yeah, that was My big thing is like

1045
00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:42.480
<v Speaker 3>overly she came in and then you rejected her and

1046
00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:44.800
<v Speaker 3>she came back really like.

1047
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:48.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like absolutely not. There's no world in which that's.

1048
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:52.840
<v Speaker 3>A college full of attractive boys.

1049
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Hurt ape something you can have.

1050
00:58:55.159 --> 00:58:57.639
<v Speaker 2>But it's like and she had a healthy relationship with

1051
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:00.239
<v Speaker 2>her parents and then like I don't have It was like,

1052
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:02.519
<v Speaker 2>none of this adds up. This is doesn't make sense

1053
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:02.679
<v Speaker 2>to me.

1054
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:09.079
<v Speaker 4>He's not described as attractive. I mean, I guess there

1055
00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:14.119
<v Speaker 4>is like the attraction that people do have a dynamic. Sure,

1056
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:20.000
<v Speaker 4>but she waited till after she was done his class. Yeah, okay,

1057
00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:25.239
<v Speaker 4>I know, like the lucky it wears off after you're

1058
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:28.360
<v Speaker 4>out of their proximity and they no longer have that.

1059
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Right. I was surprised, right what had happened?

1060
00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:35.960
<v Speaker 4>And you see it for what it really was. You're like,

1061
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:39.920
<v Speaker 4>that was crazy that I found that person attractive?

1062
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, And then and then I was disturbed at

1063
00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:46.400
<v Speaker 2>the point when Chip was like mad at her for

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00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:49.280
<v Speaker 2>being happy, like and she was going to go meet

1065
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:52.199
<v Speaker 2>his parents and he had like a fantasy about raping

1066
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:54.559
<v Speaker 2>her or something that I don't like this.

1067
00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:56.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't like this.

1068
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me get it.

1069
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:05.039
<v Speaker 4>His whole interaction with her is so crazy, like you know,

1070
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:08.199
<v Speaker 4>obviously you know they're going to have sex because he

1071
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:12.000
<v Speaker 4>starts fixating on her in class and mentioning her bear

1072
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:14.639
<v Speaker 4>mid drift her breasts, I'm sure.

1073
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:16.639
<v Speaker 2>And then.

1074
01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:20.000
<v Speaker 4>He can't call on her because he's afraid that his

1075
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:26.280
<v Speaker 4>voice might quiver. And finally she's like rude at the

1076
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:30.039
<v Speaker 4>end of the semester and she's all like, you just

1077
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:32.239
<v Speaker 4>want us all to agree with you, which, by the way,

1078
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:36.360
<v Speaker 4>like makes it seem like she got it, like she

1079
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:43.039
<v Speaker 4>got that he was egotistical, you know, like that doesn't

1080
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:46.320
<v Speaker 4>sound like someone I'm attracted to. I'm not like, you're

1081
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:50.000
<v Speaker 4>a bad teacher, you aren't smart, You just want us

1082
01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:53.440
<v Speaker 4>to agree with you. And then I bring cupcakes over

1083
01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:58.760
<v Speaker 4>to your house in a mini skirt, Like no, I

1084
01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:00.000
<v Speaker 4>would say Franzin.

1085
01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:04.519
<v Speaker 2>Was good at making me believe lust or or love

1086
01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:07.239
<v Speaker 2>in that in that falling in love type way, like

1087
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:10.280
<v Speaker 2>because then we also have Denise and her many and

1088
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:14.840
<v Speaker 2>her many affairs, and you never felt like, especially with

1089
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:17.719
<v Speaker 2>when she lost her rigidity, you never felt like, oh

1090
01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:22.519
<v Speaker 2>I get why she did this.

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01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:27.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like I feel like it goes back to it's

1092
01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:30.000
<v Speaker 4>like he wants those male readers, right, that's why he

1093
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:35.320
<v Speaker 4>doesn't want Oprah. And what's interesting is, you know, back

1094
01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:37.079
<v Speaker 4>to what we were talking about, like so much of

1095
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:41.360
<v Speaker 4>the book feels like a real struggle, like you know,

1096
01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:46.239
<v Speaker 4>a real way people might operate, and then these types

1097
01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:50.880
<v Speaker 4>of things are not real at all, and it's just like, ah, yes,

1098
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:56.079
<v Speaker 4>the middling looking man does get fucked by the twenty

1099
01:01:56.159 --> 01:02:00.840
<v Speaker 4>year old sophomore, Like you can live out that any man.

1100
01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:05.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I really like what you're saying.

1101
01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:08.960
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to just like ever even imagine this happening

1102
01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:12.920
<v Speaker 1>around me in college, Like I didn't know anyone that

1103
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:16.400
<v Speaker 1>was sleeping with their professor. But I never ever had

1104
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:20.320
<v Speaker 1>like a teacher crush. I can't think of even like I.

1105
01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Might have had teacher crushes, but they were not in Colone.

1106
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:27.559
<v Speaker 4>I had one, but it was a grad student teacher.

1107
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were usually the young hot on right. Yeah

1108
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:34.760
<v Speaker 2>I did have like I maybe had, but I might

1109
01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:37.559
<v Speaker 2>have had some like intellectual like where I wanted someone

1110
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:41.239
<v Speaker 2>to see me as smart and therefore, I mean, but

1111
01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:43.679
<v Speaker 2>I never I wouldn't have. Yeah I would have know,

1112
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:47.000
<v Speaker 2>but like I but I could see I was almost

1113
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:47.920
<v Speaker 2>certainly a gay man.

1114
01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:51.119
<v Speaker 1>They're easy to lie, I do.

1115
01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:54.079
<v Speaker 2>I do think Denise. With Denise, it's it's supposed to

1116
01:02:54.119 --> 01:02:56.519
<v Speaker 2>be like, oh, I mean obviously showing that she's like

1117
01:02:56.639 --> 01:03:00.400
<v Speaker 2>fucked up because she the way she thinks is just

1118
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:04.559
<v Speaker 2>like going to like go have sex with this guy

1119
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:06.760
<v Speaker 2>because she just feels like she owes him in some way.

1120
01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:09.599
<v Speaker 2>I feel like that was which I do. I that

1121
01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:11.719
<v Speaker 2>was the only thing that they said that I was, like,

1122
01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:15.559
<v Speaker 2>I can remember being younger and like kissing boys because

1123
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I felt like, oh I had to, or like I

1124
01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:21.440
<v Speaker 2>went on the date, so that's what happens next. I

1125
01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:23.159
<v Speaker 2>don't want to do this, but I just did it.

1126
01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:25.760
<v Speaker 2>But like she went farther than that, which was like

1127
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:26.559
<v Speaker 2>leading him.

1128
01:03:26.440 --> 01:03:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Into and maybe much older than why not.

1129
01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:34.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm talking about being like a teenager and

1130
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:37.039
<v Speaker 2>stuff like I don't mean similar age. I just mean

1131
01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:41.559
<v Speaker 2>she but it only like it made me understood her

1132
01:03:41.559 --> 01:03:44.000
<v Speaker 2>to a point like beyond that. I was like, okay,

1133
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:45.960
<v Speaker 2>but she went way farther than that, and I don't

1134
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:51.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't get it, but yeah.

1135
01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:56.280
<v Speaker 3>It made me feel bad for her. Yeah, so I

1136
01:03:56.360 --> 01:03:59.400
<v Speaker 3>was feeling something. It's not the kind of feeling I

1137
01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:03.800
<v Speaker 3>liked that have though. It's like, you're a writer capable

1138
01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:06.440
<v Speaker 3>of making people feel things, and that's what you picked.

1139
01:04:07.760 --> 01:04:11.880
<v Speaker 1>This does line up with everything I know about you, Clara. Uh.

1140
01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:16.119
<v Speaker 1>When Clara reads kids books, she skips past the sad images.

1141
01:04:16.760 --> 01:04:18.599
<v Speaker 1>And what I mean is like if it's a book

1142
01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:23.559
<v Speaker 1>of emotions that are like happy, said flip flip, happy, excited.

1143
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:29.280
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I did do that, but then oh yes, And

1144
01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:31.159
<v Speaker 3>then when I had to say it out loud to

1145
01:04:31.239 --> 01:04:33.440
<v Speaker 3>John and Sabrina to explain what I was doing, I

1146
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:34.119
<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, I.

1147
01:04:37.400 --> 01:04:41.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, I understand the feeling of like this isn't I

1148
01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:45.679
<v Speaker 2>definitely go past those faster than I sit in the

1149
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:48.480
<v Speaker 2>fun emotions for those emotion books.

1150
01:04:48.480 --> 01:05:02.039
<v Speaker 1>But do no different different anyway, John just monotonely happy, fright, excited.

1151
01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Emotions. I mean, in terms of plot, there are some

1152
01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:20.039
<v Speaker 2>fun things that happen, like Chip his the woman he's

1153
01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:23.920
<v Speaker 2>sleeping with has a husband, the Lithuanian who hires him

1154
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:28.239
<v Speaker 2>on to write for the website essentially for reasons that

1155
01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:31.039
<v Speaker 2>still aren't clear, flies him to Lithuania. And there's like

1156
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:33.679
<v Speaker 2>a lot of that's like a very goofy section that

1157
01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:38.280
<v Speaker 2>I I liked because it was silly and funny, I guess.

1158
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:42.199
<v Speaker 2>But he eventually, like h is flying away, like he

1159
01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:45.559
<v Speaker 2>gets raw. He's got to making a bunch of money.

1160
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:48.159
<v Speaker 2>But there's like essentially kind of like a civil war

1161
01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:53.760
<v Speaker 2>ish thing happening, and he you know, has to go

1162
01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:56.440
<v Speaker 2>to Prague or where does he go to fly? I

1163
01:05:56.440 --> 01:05:59.480
<v Speaker 2>don't whatever. It's like he's trying to get home for Christmas,

1164
01:05:59.559 --> 01:06:03.559
<v Speaker 2>is what's happening. But Mike, in terms of like compared

1165
01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:05.960
<v Speaker 2>to like some of the other more like heady stuff

1166
01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:11.400
<v Speaker 2>like Gary's stuff was all very like you know, manic depressive,

1167
01:06:11.599 --> 01:06:14.239
<v Speaker 2>like him seeing things that weren't there and fighting with

1168
01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:17.440
<v Speaker 2>his family over dumb shit. It did give me some

1169
01:06:17.480 --> 01:06:20.320
<v Speaker 2>good ideas though, for how to torture my husband my

1170
01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:25.639
<v Speaker 2>husband in the future read my kids. Yeah, just like

1171
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:31.719
<v Speaker 2>encouraging them to have uh like interests that would drive

1172
01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:36.800
<v Speaker 2>him crazy or you know, slowly, you know, getting them

1173
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:40.239
<v Speaker 2>on my side versus turning them against him. All those

1174
01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:44.199
<v Speaker 2>kinds of things. They sound really like that's a possibility

1175
01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:47.760
<v Speaker 2>for me, and and I did appreciate that for you.

1176
01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:56.159
<v Speaker 4>Something that I don't know if it is funny or

1177
01:06:56.360 --> 01:07:04.840
<v Speaker 4>just pretentious, was both Chip's porn was I'm sure I

1178
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:10.119
<v Speaker 4>can't pronounce this. It's French sent on the cinema eratique.

1179
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:12.880
<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, I forgot about that.

1180
01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:14.199
<v Speaker 4>That's so crazy.

1181
01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe a different time. I think it's just a

1182
01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:19.760
<v Speaker 2>different time.

1183
01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:23.400
<v Speaker 4>You think it's funny, of course you do. You're a

1184
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:24.480
<v Speaker 4>friends and supporter.

1185
01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:29.519
<v Speaker 1>The books a masterpiece, like no exaggeration, The book's a masterpiece,

1186
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:33.079
<v Speaker 1>so you.

1187
01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:40.079
<v Speaker 4>I would love to know how many women were on

1188
01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:42.960
<v Speaker 4>the committees that gave it all those awards. What the

1189
01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:44.760
<v Speaker 4>breakdown was number one?

1190
01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:48.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that is honestly crazy.

1191
01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:50.679
<v Speaker 1>Looks like all of you.

1192
01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:52.679
<v Speaker 4>She didn't give it a literary award.

1193
01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:54.679
<v Speaker 2>She tried to mate it on her book list.

1194
01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:57.920
<v Speaker 3>Maybe she didn't read the whole thing because it is

1195
01:07:58.119 --> 01:07:58.559
<v Speaker 3>very long.

1196
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the BBC play wasn't out by then, so she

1197
01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:01.960
<v Speaker 2>couldn't have done.

1198
01:08:02.039 --> 01:08:05.079
<v Speaker 3>Maybe whoever summarized it for her kind of.

1199
01:08:08.239 --> 01:08:09.519
<v Speaker 2>I didn't it looks.

1200
01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:13.039
<v Speaker 3>I really struggle.

1201
01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:17.920
<v Speaker 2>I didn't mention this, but the you might be wondering,

1202
01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:20.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, like why hasn't this been turned into anything?

1203
01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:26.159
<v Speaker 2>And he Jonathan Franzon and Noah Bombak did write a

1204
01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:28.399
<v Speaker 2>series and they might have even filmed a pilot, but

1205
01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:30.760
<v Speaker 2>then HBO like didn't take it because they thought it

1206
01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:33.560
<v Speaker 2>was like going to be too difficult to follow, which

1207
01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:37.079
<v Speaker 2>I thought was funny because I'm just like, there's definitely

1208
01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:40.239
<v Speaker 2>like I feel like they could try again. I just

1209
01:08:40.279 --> 01:08:46.640
<v Speaker 2>feel like HBO takes stuff that's like way more his proof. Yeah,

1210
01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:49.000
<v Speaker 2>it's true. I really think. I was like, no, you

1211
01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:51.920
<v Speaker 2>could definitely do this, And I don't know, maybe Jonathan

1212
01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:54.680
<v Speaker 2>needs to be taken out of the adaptation.

1213
01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:58.319
<v Speaker 1>But now that we have, like I mean, I know,

1214
01:08:58.520 --> 01:09:01.000
<v Speaker 1>to compare anything to Succession as crazy, but it's like

1215
01:09:01.159 --> 01:09:05.159
<v Speaker 1>that's sort of a very character driven like you know,

1216
01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:10.119
<v Speaker 1>family peace. Like I just I feel like this is

1217
01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:13.479
<v Speaker 1>a character study more than anything. Yeah.

1218
01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, with people that are ship like everyone's like a

1219
01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:22.119
<v Speaker 2>little shit yeah, like there's uh And I guess I

1220
01:09:22.159 --> 01:09:29.039
<v Speaker 2>do appreciate that, like when everyone's a little shitty Seinfeld

1221
01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:36.560
<v Speaker 2>should talk about nothing. Yeah, he blah blah blah. I'm

1222
01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:40.359
<v Speaker 2>just looking again at George's issues. The writing itself sucks

1223
01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:42.720
<v Speaker 2>and is mostly derivative of the worst of Updyke and

1224
01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:46.600
<v Speaker 2>annoying postmodern tingents inherited from David Foster Wallace. I do

1225
01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:48.479
<v Speaker 2>think he had a relationship with David Foster.

1226
01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:52.720
<v Speaker 4>It's like, really, it sounds like they'd be friends.

1227
01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1228
01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:54.640
<v Speaker 2>I also think I can.

1229
01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:57.359
<v Speaker 1>See the Updike comparison, and I thought of it myself,

1230
01:09:57.520 --> 01:10:00.439
<v Speaker 1>but I think that Updike Updyke is my much more

1231
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:04.279
<v Speaker 1>random and is like goes for shock value, and this

1232
01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:08.479
<v Speaker 1>is this is specific, like there is a special that

1233
01:10:09.199 --> 01:10:12.640
<v Speaker 1>makes it. It's like it really hits. It feels very truthful.

1234
01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Often I am there that does acrobatic trips.

1235
01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:23.479
<v Speaker 2>You're right, You're right. I guess now that you're saying that,

1236
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:25.000
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what Updyke every rand and then you

1237
01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:26.920
<v Speaker 2>said that, I was like, oh yeah, no, no, no,

1238
01:10:28.119 --> 01:10:32.359
<v Speaker 2>I guess Hotel New Hampshire.

1239
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:34.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, remember we hated it.

1240
01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not how it sound New Hampshire to me.

1241
01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:39.880
<v Speaker 2>I also just find I do find a lot of

1242
01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:44.279
<v Speaker 2>his like observational stuff, funny, and I do like it

1243
01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:47.239
<v Speaker 2>within this book, like even the what was it called

1244
01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:52.920
<v Speaker 2>the Medicine Overall or correct All? Like I thought that

1245
01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:54.840
<v Speaker 2>was fun and then they were like, you know, that's

1246
01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:58.520
<v Speaker 2>the name of like poop medicine, and they're like, I

1247
01:10:58.560 --> 01:10:59.920
<v Speaker 2>don't care, and I don't know.

1248
01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:03.079
<v Speaker 1>I just liked humor for you got your number.

1249
01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's probably why, But I just I just I

1250
01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:10.000
<v Speaker 2>just I liked every I liked everything about that and

1251
01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:12.680
<v Speaker 2>the way he kind of like you know, even talks

1252
01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:16.399
<v Speaker 2>about like prison system, Like he he finds ways to

1253
01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:20.039
<v Speaker 2>like have some criticism on like almost every aspect of

1254
01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:23.319
<v Speaker 2>American society. And you know, I will also admit that

1255
01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:26.920
<v Speaker 2>it's it is very obviously a very waspy, upper middle

1256
01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:29.960
<v Speaker 2>class book. And it's also possible that one reason why

1257
01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:33.159
<v Speaker 2>I related is because maybe that is more my background

1258
01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:37.239
<v Speaker 2>and hearing. I mean, you know, did I love the

1259
01:11:37.279 --> 01:11:41.880
<v Speaker 2>references to Kenneth Square? Did I love hearing names places

1260
01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:42.600
<v Speaker 2>that I knew?

1261
01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

1262
01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:43.680
<v Speaker 2>I did.

1263
01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:47.439
<v Speaker 3>I do need to interject that Hotel newritten by.

1264
01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:52.920
<v Speaker 2>John oh Ship. Jesus, we went up up.

1265
01:11:53.479 --> 01:12:00.720
<v Speaker 3>No, we've never done We've never up run Rabbit run, Okay.

1266
01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:04.319
<v Speaker 2>Now, wonder I was like I didn't understand you. I've

1267
01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:05.640
<v Speaker 2>never read Updyke, and I don't.

1268
01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:12.239
<v Speaker 1>I didn't, Okay, George, we don't have the same taste,

1269
01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:16.600
<v Speaker 1>so you're not You're you are, Okay, I.

1270
01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:18.319
<v Speaker 3>Just I just have to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Claria, we're very glad. I'm sure George probably was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, honestly, yeah, George really smart. I'm embarrassed that he George.

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<v Speaker 2>And we read what you wrote. George. Yeah, if you've read,

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01:12:32.119 --> 01:12:34.399
<v Speaker 2>you're maybe mad at us. But remember we don't all

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01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:37.720
<v Speaker 2>like it, and we have different reasons for not.

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01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:43.079
<v Speaker 3>Like I like it, I didn't. I like, Yeah, I

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01:12:43.079 --> 01:12:43.960
<v Speaker 3>can appreciate that.

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01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:50.159
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I'm like seething, and I just I need

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01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:52.760
<v Speaker 4>I need Johnna to get away from liking it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, in fact, I know real this like divide

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01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:02.600
<v Speaker 1>between Like I do feel like we both are feeling

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01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:05.520
<v Speaker 1>really passionate about this book. Yeah.

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01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:10.520
<v Speaker 2>I also I also feel like, as a writer, I

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01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:13.640
<v Speaker 2>know I can be wordy, and so in some ways

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01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:16.760
<v Speaker 2>that makes me like almost feel for Frans in that

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01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:20.399
<v Speaker 2>like I wish I could get away with being as wordy.

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01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:24.039
<v Speaker 2>Whereas like because of the type of stuff I've studied

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01:13:24.119 --> 01:13:26.359
<v Speaker 2>or writing I've done, I've been like no you cannot

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01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:29.680
<v Speaker 2>be wordy. You cannot be wordy, you must like cut

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01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:31.399
<v Speaker 2>it all out. And so I think I have some

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01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:33.920
<v Speaker 2>jealousy there that I'm like, oh, but it would be

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01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:36.439
<v Speaker 2>fun to just like ramble for pages.

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<v Speaker 3>Well maybe that's why the rest of us can't.

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<v Speaker 4>I I enjoyed that aspect of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it didn't feel a little bit like when you

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01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:48.439
<v Speaker 3>sat down to write it, he was like, this is

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01:13:48.479 --> 01:13:53.359
<v Speaker 3>going to be a long It was a very irritating

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01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:57.479
<v Speaker 3>just because we have a time limit and lives and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And I could feel that with every meandering description of

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01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:06.039
<v Speaker 3>something that you could not describe at all. Actually, but

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<v Speaker 3>some of.

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<v Speaker 1>The I just like, sorry, yeah, some of the descriptions

1303
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:14.640
<v Speaker 1>are just so beautiful and you've never heard anything like

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01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:17.760
<v Speaker 1>it before, and it just rings so true. Like one

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01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:21.319
<v Speaker 1>of my favorite ones, which is real quick, is that

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01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:24.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, the dad has parkt Seid, so his hands

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01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:27.159
<v Speaker 1>are shaky, it's hard for him to eat, and Enid

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01:14:27.239 --> 01:14:29.920
<v Speaker 1>is annoyed because he doesn't wear a tie somewhere, but

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01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:33.560
<v Speaker 1>then she goes but suit times we just cannon fodder

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01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:38.640
<v Speaker 1>on the front lines anymore. It's such a great description.

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01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:42.760
<v Speaker 2>But is it that reminded me of my grandparents a lot.

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01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:45.319
<v Speaker 2>Their relationship really reminded me of my grandparents.

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01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:49.239
<v Speaker 4>I really liked, I'll sayza pieces of it that I liked.

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01:14:50.159 --> 01:14:53.800
<v Speaker 4>In the very beginning of the book, she alludes to

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01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:58.359
<v Speaker 4>like smelling urine, and she's like, but it simply couldn't

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01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:02.760
<v Speaker 4>be urine. And then you like, very slowly find out

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01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:08.920
<v Speaker 4>that he is absolutely skeeing in like these jars downstairs

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01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:12.520
<v Speaker 4>and at like, I'm not describing it well, but the

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01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:15.800
<v Speaker 4>way that he revealed that information I thought was really

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01:15:16.479 --> 01:15:22.479
<v Speaker 4>compelling and interesting. And I think like me liking the

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01:15:22.560 --> 01:15:26.279
<v Speaker 4>beginning so much and feeling for Enid in the beginning,

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01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:29.640
<v Speaker 4>and then I think, like I just got really angry

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01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:33.159
<v Speaker 4>when it became so clear to me that it was

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01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:37.600
<v Speaker 4>written for the male gaze and it is just Z

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01:15:38.279 --> 01:15:42.239
<v Speaker 4>not why Yeah, no, the Z one. And I'm just

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01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:47.119
<v Speaker 4>like sitting there thinking about men smugly reading this book and.

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01:15:47.239 --> 01:15:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Just pissed me off.

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01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:52.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, pissed me off because of the potential that was there,

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01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:55.840
<v Speaker 4>because it is so.

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01:15:58.359 --> 01:16:01.119
<v Speaker 2>I do too. I think that's fair if I.

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01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:06.560
<v Speaker 3>May attempt to bridge or the divide between John and Sabrina,

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01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:12.000
<v Speaker 3>or at least someone must. I think that Jonah's reaction

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01:16:12.199 --> 01:16:19.479
<v Speaker 3>might be like recognition that this person can use the

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01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:24.880
<v Speaker 3>art of writing and comparing it to other books that

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01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:30.039
<v Speaker 3>and that she sort of feels beholden to, like elevate

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01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:35.039
<v Speaker 3>that like this is real writing, and we must respect that.

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01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:38.920
<v Speaker 3>That seems fair and that that's maybe why you're calling it.

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01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:42.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I think that feels completely fair. And I

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01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:46.640
<v Speaker 1>would just add that this book is a masterpiece period

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01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:49.960
<v Speaker 1>and it could stand against any great literature.

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01:16:50.039 --> 01:16:50.880
<v Speaker 3>Okay, will it tried?

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01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:52.960
<v Speaker 2>All right? At this time, I would like to read

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01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:58.079
<v Speaker 2>the An excerpt. The night of Alfred's seventy fifth birthday

1344
01:16:58.119 --> 01:17:00.640
<v Speaker 2>had found Ship alone at the tilt and legs pursuing

1345
01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:04.039
<v Speaker 2>sexual congress with a red chaise long. He was kneeling

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01:17:04.079 --> 01:17:06.239
<v Speaker 2>at the feet of his chaise and sniffing its plush

1347
01:17:06.319 --> 01:17:09.840
<v Speaker 2>minutely inch by inch, in hopes that some vaginal tang

1348
01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:13.239
<v Speaker 2>might still be lingering. Eight weeks after Melissa Paquette had lain,

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01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:18.600
<v Speaker 2>there ordinarily distinct and identical smells dust, sweat, urine, the

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01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:22.319
<v Speaker 2>dayroomreek of cigarette smoke. The fugitive after scent of quim

1351
01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:26.279
<v Speaker 2>became abstract and indistinguishable from the over smelling, and so

1352
01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:29.359
<v Speaker 2>he had to pause again and again to refresh his nostrils.

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01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:32.520
<v Speaker 2>He worked his lips down into the chai's buttoned navels

1354
01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:35.640
<v Speaker 2>and kissed the lint and grit and crumbs and hairs

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01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:38.319
<v Speaker 2>that had collected in them. None of the three spots

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01:17:38.359 --> 01:17:42.680
<v Speaker 2>where he thought he smelled Melissa where was unambiguously tangy.

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01:17:43.000 --> 01:17:45.520
<v Speaker 2>But after exhaustive comparison, he was able to settle on

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01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:48.560
<v Speaker 2>the least questionable of the three spots, near button just

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01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:51.800
<v Speaker 2>south of the backrest, and give it his full nasal attention.

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01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:55.319
<v Speaker 2>He fingered the buttons with both hands, the cool plush

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01:17:55.319 --> 01:17:59.199
<v Speaker 2>shaving his nether parts in a poor approximation of Melissa's

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01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:01.600
<v Speaker 2>skin until he fired. Only achieved sufficient belief in the

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01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:04.720
<v Speaker 2>smells reality, sufficient faith that he possessed some relic of

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01:18:04.760 --> 01:18:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Melissa to consummate the act. Then he rolled off his

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01:18:07.880 --> 01:18:10.680
<v Speaker 2>compliant antique and slumped on the floor with his pants

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01:18:10.760 --> 01:18:13.239
<v Speaker 2>undone and his head and the cushion. An hour closer

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01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:16.159
<v Speaker 2>to having failed to call his father on his birthday,

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01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:27.960
<v Speaker 2>an hour it's disturbing. Did you guys ever do it

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01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:30.520
<v Speaker 2>with a object? I didn't.

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01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:33.560
<v Speaker 1>I would just want to answer quickly no before we

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01:18:33.640 --> 01:18:34.159
<v Speaker 1>move on.

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01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:40.079
<v Speaker 2>I just feel like this is a thing or like

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01:18:40.119 --> 01:18:42.359
<v Speaker 2>someone so fucking a pie or whatever, And I'm like,

1374
01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:48.880
<v Speaker 2>but it's not about the thing. It's maybe like it's

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01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:53.760
<v Speaker 2>about what's in your head. No, I just mean, like

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01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:58.960
<v Speaker 2>I would assume it's like he's like more just like

1377
01:18:59.159 --> 01:19:02.039
<v Speaker 2>masturbating on to something. But in his it's the fantasy

1378
01:19:02.079 --> 01:19:04.199
<v Speaker 2>and his head. It's nothing to do with the actual.

1379
01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:06.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. That's just how I Maybe I'm wrong,

1380
01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:07.239
<v Speaker 2>but that's how.

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01:19:07.119 --> 01:19:12.720
<v Speaker 4>I, I will sayd me like really imagining what this

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01:19:12.920 --> 01:19:14.000
<v Speaker 4>Shasee looked like.

1383
01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:19.039
<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, I don't understand it was a redhead.

1384
01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:20.039
<v Speaker 1>Let's start there.

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01:19:22.439 --> 01:19:24.680
<v Speaker 3>Buttons buttons in the back that.

1386
01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:26.399
<v Speaker 2>We were looking for the red head? Oh my god,

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01:19:26.479 --> 01:19:29.279
<v Speaker 2>what color hair did uh Denise have? Did we have

1388
01:19:29.319 --> 01:19:30.000
<v Speaker 2>any redheads?

1389
01:19:30.279 --> 01:19:31.960
<v Speaker 1>What are we doing with the button?

1390
01:19:32.680 --> 01:19:34.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fingering them.

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01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:35.640
<v Speaker 4>I don't understand the button.

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01:19:35.680 --> 01:19:38.239
<v Speaker 2>I can't. I don't understand that. I don't believe it.

1393
01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:44.079
<v Speaker 4>And were they like depressed buttons where they popped out buttons.

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01:19:43.960 --> 01:19:45.560
<v Speaker 3>I was imagining depressed.

1395
01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:51.239
<v Speaker 2>I was too. I don't know, but that was that

1396
01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:54.800
<v Speaker 2>was also the segment that got it nominated for that sex.

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01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:57.680
<v Speaker 3>I think that was the part that John was saying

1398
01:19:57.720 --> 01:19:58.079
<v Speaker 3>was a mess.

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01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:13.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we could do ask the author, but do you guys,

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01:20:13.600 --> 01:20:14.920
<v Speaker 5>do you guys want to do and ask the author?

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01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Sure?

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01:20:16.600 --> 01:20:19.880
<v Speaker 2>I made that really unappealing. I'm so well, I mean,

1403
01:20:20.119 --> 01:20:23.840
<v Speaker 2>we said yes, yeah, you all said sure. So some reason?

1404
01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Did I write a question down for us the authors?

1405
01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:27.560
<v Speaker 2>The other questions?

1406
01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:28.720
<v Speaker 3>I haven't prepared?

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01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:35.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, Jonathan, Yes, tell me how long did

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01:20:35.720 --> 01:20:37.479
<v Speaker 2>it take you to write the book? And what did

1409
01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:39.439
<v Speaker 2>you do when you finished it?

1410
01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:45.399
<v Speaker 3>It took seven hundred years to rest book. And when

1411
01:20:45.439 --> 01:20:49.479
<v Speaker 3>I finished it, I printed it all out and I

1412
01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:52.359
<v Speaker 3>put it on top of my desk and I sat

1413
01:20:52.439 --> 01:20:55.359
<v Speaker 3>down and I looked at it, and I just thought

1414
01:20:55.399 --> 01:20:59.880
<v Speaker 3>about how fucking smart I am.

1415
01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Thank you, Jonathan. Now, Jonathan, Yes, how long

1416
01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:06.319
<v Speaker 2>did it take you to write the book? And what

1417
01:21:06.359 --> 01:21:07.640
<v Speaker 2>did you do when you finished it?

1418
01:21:08.800 --> 01:21:14.359
<v Speaker 4>Well, when I think about time and how long something took,

1419
01:21:14.520 --> 01:21:18.359
<v Speaker 4>I look to all the women that I've had sex with,

1420
01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:25.319
<v Speaker 4>and it took me through three women and their supple breast.

1421
01:21:26.399 --> 01:21:30.439
<v Speaker 4>And once I was through those three women, I finished

1422
01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:38.239
<v Speaker 4>the book and immediately came on the pages beautiful sexy.

1423
01:21:38.880 --> 01:21:41.039
<v Speaker 2>Jonathan, how long did it take you to write the book?

1424
01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:42.039
<v Speaker 2>And what did you do when you finished?

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01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:50.800
<v Speaker 1>It took me six days, Sarah. And when I finished,

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01:21:50.359 --> 01:21:53.159
<v Speaker 1>I closed the document and I opened it and I

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01:21:53.239 --> 01:21:57.399
<v Speaker 1>hit control F and I word searched breast just to

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01:21:57.439 --> 01:21:59.800
<v Speaker 1>see how many times I said it in the whole document.

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01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:07.239
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't change anything. But now I know one

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01:22:07.279 --> 01:22:15.520
<v Speaker 1>hundred and seventeen times, so I I could rib it

1431
01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:16.960
<v Speaker 1>like I would any friend.

1432
01:22:18.239 --> 01:22:22.119
<v Speaker 2>A friend, it is actually forty nine times.

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01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:26.239
<v Speaker 1>That's press though, don't we got to consider oh yeah,

1434
01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:29.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, other descript And he asked so many

1435
01:22:29.279 --> 01:22:30.239
<v Speaker 1>descriptors it's hard.

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01:22:30.359 --> 01:22:33.960
<v Speaker 2>It would be hard to even know. Okay, so this

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01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:37.079
<v Speaker 2>is what he says. He wrote eighty percent of it

1438
01:22:37.159 --> 01:22:40.359
<v Speaker 2>in a year. I was on a federal jury. When

1439
01:22:40.399 --> 01:22:42.319
<v Speaker 2>I was finishing it. I came to a point when

1440
01:22:42.359 --> 01:22:44.159
<v Speaker 2>I had two days left to right the last section

1441
01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:46.960
<v Speaker 2>of the last chapter, and then the epilogue. I wrote

1442
01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:48.680
<v Speaker 2>each of them in a day, and I finished each

1443
01:22:48.760 --> 01:22:52.079
<v Speaker 2>day crying and not sure why, whether because the content

1444
01:22:52.119 --> 01:22:54.000
<v Speaker 2>was reminding me of sad content in my own life,

1445
01:22:54.079 --> 01:22:55.800
<v Speaker 2>or because I was letting go of something that had

1446
01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:58.840
<v Speaker 2>given my life structure meaning for nearly a decade.

1447
01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:02.000
<v Speaker 3>But that doesn't make jury.

1448
01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:02.439
<v Speaker 2>How long.

1449
01:23:02.479 --> 01:23:05.199
<v Speaker 4>Did the jury take nine years? If he wrote most

1450
01:23:05.239 --> 01:23:06.640
<v Speaker 4>of it in one year.

1451
01:23:07.039 --> 01:23:09.880
<v Speaker 2>I think he'd been thinking about the twenty percent must

1452
01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:15.319
<v Speaker 2>have taken. I'm assuming twenty percent took just starting it.

1453
01:23:15.359 --> 01:23:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it took nine years and then he actually sat

1454
01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:20.760
<v Speaker 2>down and wrote most of it in a year.

1455
01:23:21.039 --> 01:23:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Endings are hot. I don't know, I don't know.

1456
01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:28.800
<v Speaker 2>I just like that he he cried after he finished it,

1457
01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:30.760
<v Speaker 2>and I thought that was very sweet.

1458
01:23:31.279 --> 01:23:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Don't let the mail readers know.

1459
01:23:32.840 --> 01:23:35.680
<v Speaker 3>It feels pretentious. It feels pretentious.

1460
01:23:35.159 --> 01:23:38.760
<v Speaker 2>And pretentious and and pretentious. No, you're right, you're absolutely right.

1461
01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:42.399
<v Speaker 3>Like it's a little close to my joke cancer.

1462
01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:54.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you won, Yeah, yeah, Claire, I want yeah, Look,

1463
01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:57.680
<v Speaker 2>he does have week we can't agree. You know, he's

1464
01:23:57.800 --> 01:24:02.279
<v Speaker 2>at least in this book, maybe at least around sex.

1465
01:24:02.760 --> 01:24:07.720
<v Speaker 2>The female characters are weak. I feel like, yeah, fair.

1466
01:24:08.239 --> 01:24:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I think another criticism he's had for like moral simplicity

1467
01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:15.039
<v Speaker 2>in the books. That doesn't bother me, though. I don't

1468
01:24:15.079 --> 01:24:18.520
<v Speaker 2>mind that, Like I don't need to know where he

1469
01:24:18.640 --> 01:24:20.319
<v Speaker 2>lands morally as a writer.

1470
01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:23.960
<v Speaker 1>It is morally simplistic about this. I think it's quite complex.

1471
01:24:24.720 --> 01:24:29.119
<v Speaker 2>No, the criticism is just that, like you like, don't

1472
01:24:29.159 --> 01:24:32.399
<v Speaker 2>know as an what his perspective is, like, he's not

1473
01:24:32.640 --> 01:24:36.920
<v Speaker 2>like giving you who's morally correct in certain situations.

1474
01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:39.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think I like that.

1475
01:24:40.079 --> 01:24:41.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't want that.

1476
01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:45.039
<v Speaker 3>I don't bite him anything. Yeah, want anyone telling me

1477
01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:46.159
<v Speaker 3>who's yeah correct?

1478
01:24:46.720 --> 01:24:50.199
<v Speaker 1>I think that's called me waiting. I think it's good.

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<v Speaker 4>I just googled is Jonathan friends in sexist? And in

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01:24:57.119 --> 01:25:03.079
<v Speaker 4>twenty fifteen when he was promote in his book Purity Purity,

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01:25:03.119 --> 01:25:06.680
<v Speaker 4>he got a lot of criticism for being sexist, and

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01:25:06.720 --> 01:25:10.760
<v Speaker 4>he's quoted as saying, I'm not a sexist. I'm not

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01:25:10.800 --> 01:25:13.359
<v Speaker 4>somebody who goes around saying men are superior, that male

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01:25:13.399 --> 01:25:16.039
<v Speaker 4>writers are superior. In fact, I really go out of

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01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:18.640
<v Speaker 4>my way to champion women's work that I think is

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01:25:18.680 --> 01:25:19.720
<v Speaker 4>not getting enough tension.

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01:25:20.840 --> 01:25:26.880
<v Speaker 1>It's just like so I couldn't. I couldn't, I could

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01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:28.560
<v Speaker 1>not helping them.

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01:25:28.479 --> 01:25:31.000
<v Speaker 4>Because the help'.

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01:25:31.279 --> 01:25:33.560
<v Speaker 2>If we're talking about this, I will also say that

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01:25:33.880 --> 01:25:36.439
<v Speaker 2>people have like asked why he's like always like white

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01:25:36.479 --> 01:25:38.960
<v Speaker 2>people in his books, and he's just like he said,

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01:25:39.079 --> 01:25:45.920
<v Speaker 2>like I don't have many black friends. I know, I know,

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01:25:46.079 --> 01:25:49.520
<v Speaker 2>it's just like my dude, Like I I don't think

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01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:51.840
<v Speaker 2>he is very good p R like there's some things

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01:25:51.880 --> 01:25:55.479
<v Speaker 2>that I'm like, look you, that's not that's not the

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01:25:55.560 --> 01:25:56.840
<v Speaker 2>right thing to say.

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01:25:56.920 --> 01:25:59.920
<v Speaker 3>I think experience or something.

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01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, are like I yeah, there's so many bet people

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01:26:03.479 --> 01:26:05.680
<v Speaker 2>better than me. I don't know, or like maybe you

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01:26:05.720 --> 01:26:07.640
<v Speaker 2>say I would like to improve on this in the

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01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:10.439
<v Speaker 2>next like are you try to grow whatever?

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01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:15.520
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, I've chosen to befriend only yeah right right?

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01:26:16.039 --> 01:26:17.680
<v Speaker 1>So many different answers you have?

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01:26:19.119 --> 01:26:24.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right? Where are we in this bitch?

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01:26:24.319 --> 01:26:26.560
<v Speaker 2>Is there anything else anybody wants to talk about? Read

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01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:29.159
<v Speaker 2>the book particular? Do you guys want to go to

1508
01:26:29.520 --> 01:26:31.479
<v Speaker 2>like goodreads five star reviews?

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01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Just do it?

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01:26:32.680 --> 01:26:37.520
<v Speaker 2>I found yeay, Jonath, thank you.

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01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:46.399
<v Speaker 1>This is from Jason, a male reader Jonathan, So don't

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01:26:46.439 --> 01:26:50.000
<v Speaker 1>flip out a man man? Read it? Okay? Friends? And

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01:26:50.199 --> 01:26:54.880
<v Speaker 1>who's are you mean? As well? I try to find

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01:26:54.920 --> 01:26:56.359
<v Speaker 1>a way, even if it's.

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01:26:56.199 --> 01:26:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Great shopping sides.

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01:27:00.399 --> 01:27:03.439
<v Speaker 1>Fransin's writing. This is from Jason. Franson's writing is impeccable.

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01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Not only does his understanding of complex familial relationships fascinating me,

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01:27:08.119 --> 01:27:11.039
<v Speaker 1>but his ability to capture these characters, all five of them,

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01:27:11.079 --> 01:27:13.640
<v Speaker 1>with such depth. I think that really drew me in

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01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:18.159
<v Speaker 1>as a reader. They are flawed, emotionally, utterly selfish, and

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01:27:18.239 --> 01:27:20.840
<v Speaker 1>yet each of them has the capacity for loving one another,

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01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:24.399
<v Speaker 1>even while recognizing their inability to stand up for each

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01:27:24.439 --> 01:27:26.319
<v Speaker 1>other for more than five minutes at a time.

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01:27:27.079 --> 01:27:29.880
<v Speaker 2>My god, all right, Johnna, did you just find did

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01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:34.119
<v Speaker 2>you find any funny five star reviews? I didn't realize

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01:27:34.159 --> 01:27:35.720
<v Speaker 2>when I was handing this over to you that it

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01:27:35.800 --> 01:27:36.520
<v Speaker 2>might just be.

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01:27:36.399 --> 01:27:39.880
<v Speaker 1>A fabian an impulsively readable work of fiction.

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01:27:41.560 --> 01:27:46.840
<v Speaker 2>This what does that mean? Pulsively relulsively like I.

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01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:49.520
<v Speaker 3>Have can't put it down. I think it's it's a sort.

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01:27:49.399 --> 01:27:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Of can't put it down telling.

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01:27:53.319 --> 01:27:56.239
<v Speaker 1>The opening vignette was a deep dive into the subterranean

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01:27:56.279 --> 01:27:59.039
<v Speaker 1>conflicts of a middle class home in Middle America.

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01:27:59.439 --> 01:28:04.479
<v Speaker 3>All these people are fucking pretentious, high on themselves. I

1535
01:28:04.479 --> 01:28:06.800
<v Speaker 3>think a lot of people might like this book because

1536
01:28:07.039 --> 01:28:09.359
<v Speaker 3>it's like it gives you a bit of be like, yeah,

1537
01:28:09.680 --> 01:28:12.239
<v Speaker 3>my fa was fucked up, Yeah it was.

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01:28:12.159 --> 01:28:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Fucked up, Like like my family was crazy, as like

1539
01:28:17.199 --> 01:28:19.840
<v Speaker 2>an excuse for like like why am I the way

1540
01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:20.239
<v Speaker 2>I am?

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01:28:20.319 --> 01:28:24.880
<v Speaker 3>I need some And I think this book gives them

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01:28:24.920 --> 01:28:25.720
<v Speaker 3>that feeling.

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01:28:26.279 --> 01:28:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Kelly, I'm just like reading my reviews and getting chills.

1544
01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:34.479
<v Speaker 1>Should I keep going I don't.

1545
01:28:34.279 --> 01:28:39.239
<v Speaker 3>Know rates all right?

1546
01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:40.880
<v Speaker 2>All right, hey, rates.

1547
01:28:41.479 --> 01:28:47.239
<v Speaker 3>One out of five one for is it writing a melody,

1548
01:28:48.359 --> 01:28:52.000
<v Speaker 3>minus a lot for the length, minus a lot for

1549
01:28:52.039 --> 01:28:57.720
<v Speaker 3>the women stuff, minus a lot for pretension, and that

1550
01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:01.680
<v Speaker 3>math equals one out of five very good math.

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01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:07.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'll just go next. Look, do I recognize that

1552
01:29:07.199 --> 01:29:11.399
<v Speaker 4>this is in a different literary echelon than most Meme

1553
01:29:11.399 --> 01:29:17.279
<v Speaker 4>book Club books? Yes, I'm not stupid, But I think

1554
01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:22.039
<v Speaker 4>that that makes it worse, because this is the type

1555
01:29:22.039 --> 01:29:26.479
<v Speaker 4>of thing that we are elevating and referring to as

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01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:31.800
<v Speaker 4>a masterpiece. And I'm sorry, but that's poisoning our brains.

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01:29:32.199 --> 01:29:34.439
<v Speaker 4>One out of five beautiful.

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01:29:35.399 --> 01:29:36.359
<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad to have you.

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01:29:37.079 --> 01:29:40.079
<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm gonna start off with my my rating

1560
01:29:40.199 --> 01:29:41.279
<v Speaker 2>on the BBC.

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01:29:41.640 --> 01:29:44.199
<v Speaker 1>Sure, yeah, five out of five.

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01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:52.399
<v Speaker 2>Really into the BBC. Extra sound effects were all they

1563
01:29:52.399 --> 01:29:56.239
<v Speaker 2>were really on the music. They took out a lot

1564
01:29:56.279 --> 01:29:59.880
<v Speaker 2>of the misogyny they did, although some of the stuff

1565
01:29:59.920 --> 01:30:03.640
<v Speaker 2>was edited it down. I like, like the affairs and

1566
01:30:03.680 --> 01:30:08.239
<v Speaker 2>stuff that made them a little more beautifully flawed kind

1567
01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:12.239
<v Speaker 2>of basic or like they just I'm not finding the

1568
01:30:12.319 --> 01:30:16.880
<v Speaker 2>right word. But anyway, okay, but the book itself, uh yeah,

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01:30:16.920 --> 01:30:19.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna give it a four point five out of

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01:30:19.159 --> 01:30:23.880
<v Speaker 2>five because I also thought it was very good. But

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01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:30.560
<v Speaker 2>I do agree with the critique on women and sex

1572
01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:34.600
<v Speaker 2>that it just feels very male perspective. But I think

1573
01:30:34.640 --> 01:30:41.039
<v Speaker 2>this book moved me many many times. I really enjoyed it,

1574
01:30:41.079 --> 01:30:44.359
<v Speaker 2>and I was some part surprised how much I enjoyed it.

1575
01:30:44.399 --> 01:30:45.960
<v Speaker 2>So four point five out of five.

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01:30:47.600 --> 01:30:50.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad Sarah joined me here on earth and not

1577
01:30:50.760 --> 01:31:01.279
<v Speaker 1>in cool fantasy kidding. This is it is a five.

1578
01:31:01.399 --> 01:31:04.000
<v Speaker 1>The only book we've read ever in the history of

1579
01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:06.359
<v Speaker 1>our twenty years of doing me in book club that

1580
01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:11.199
<v Speaker 1>was better than this was The old Man in the Seat.

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01:31:12.199 --> 01:31:13.479
<v Speaker 3>That's your team, Sarah.

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01:31:13.560 --> 01:31:16.720
<v Speaker 2>That the opposite, that's opposite of this book, though in

1583
01:31:16.760 --> 01:31:20.239
<v Speaker 2>terms of word counts think about it completely different, very

1584
01:31:21.279 --> 01:31:21.479
<v Speaker 2>you know.

1585
01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:24.000
<v Speaker 1>But also Hemingway doesn't preach. He lets you decide the

1586
01:31:24.039 --> 01:31:27.720
<v Speaker 1>morality of his characters, the.

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01:31:27.680 --> 01:31:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Morality of the fish, my fucking guns.

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01:31:31.920 --> 01:31:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay, now it's an attack. We've someone swung around, we're

1589
01:31:36.760 --> 01:31:41.800
<v Speaker 1>double attacking. Yeah. I thought it was funny. It was

1590
01:31:42.079 --> 01:31:48.039
<v Speaker 1>it was quick, it was insightful, quick.

1591
01:31:49.279 --> 01:31:50.399
<v Speaker 2>And it moved me deeply.

1592
01:31:51.680 --> 01:31:52.800
<v Speaker 3>Fantasy cuckool, I.

1593
01:31:52.960 --> 01:31:58.279
<v Speaker 1>Cried, explaining to Matt, the reveal of the father at

1594
01:31:58.279 --> 01:32:00.359
<v Speaker 1>the end, when we find out he didn't take the

1595
01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:03.079
<v Speaker 1>more the higher pay at his job, which we didn't

1596
01:32:03.119 --> 01:32:04.079
<v Speaker 1>even talk about.

1597
01:32:04.439 --> 01:32:07.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh, we didn't talk about that. I don't even agree.

1598
01:32:07.560 --> 01:32:08.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean if we wanted to, I don't know.

1599
01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:10.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean we're wrapped up.

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01:32:11.800 --> 01:32:14.079
<v Speaker 2>God, damn it. I had thoughts I'll eat them.

1601
01:32:14.159 --> 01:32:17.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it doesn't. It's it almost like it's hard to

1602
01:32:17.159 --> 01:32:19.239
<v Speaker 1>even talk about the plot because you we'd have to

1603
01:32:19.319 --> 01:32:21.520
<v Speaker 1>be like, well, to understand this, we have to explain

1604
01:32:21.560 --> 01:32:24.079
<v Speaker 1>this part. To understand this, you have to explain this part.

1605
01:32:24.279 --> 01:32:28.560
<v Speaker 1>It was small, intricate family dynamics. I teared up explaining

1606
01:32:28.560 --> 01:32:30.560
<v Speaker 1>them to Matt, and he was like, okay, all.

1607
01:32:30.600 --> 01:32:32.880
<v Speaker 3>Right, well, can you give us an example of something

1608
01:32:32.920 --> 01:32:35.800
<v Speaker 3>else you've teered up explaining to Matt though, just just

1609
01:32:35.880 --> 01:32:38.000
<v Speaker 3>so we understand the spectrum.

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01:32:41.000 --> 01:32:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, I could start crying right now thinking about there's

1611
01:32:44.560 --> 01:32:50.039
<v Speaker 1>this commercial about a dog. Basically, if there's an animal

1612
01:32:50.039 --> 01:32:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and a commercial, what happens in I don't want to

1613
01:32:53.000 --> 01:32:56.039
<v Speaker 1>talk about that food. It's like a commercial, is nothing

1614
01:32:56.039 --> 01:32:56.880
<v Speaker 1>too bad happens?

1615
01:32:56.920 --> 01:32:59.479
<v Speaker 3>But does he have a bond.

1616
01:33:02.800 --> 01:33:03.640
<v Speaker 1>That one get me?

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01:33:03.920 --> 01:33:06.399
<v Speaker 2>Is it like it isn't a sp c A or

1618
01:33:06.520 --> 01:33:09.399
<v Speaker 2>is it like a dog something even more money a

1619
01:33:09.439 --> 01:33:11.920
<v Speaker 2>dog that starts eating one kind of dog food when

1620
01:33:11.920 --> 01:33:14.479
<v Speaker 2>he's a puppy, and then like, okay, it's dog is dog?

1621
01:33:15.279 --> 01:33:17.439
<v Speaker 3>Okay? Now, John, I needed I don't need to pile

1622
01:33:17.479 --> 01:33:20.079
<v Speaker 3>on you, but I need to tell you, you know how

1623
01:33:20.199 --> 01:33:23.319
<v Speaker 3>your opinion of the office and how Pam is one

1624
01:33:23.359 --> 01:33:26.640
<v Speaker 3>of the worst written characters you've ever heard. She cries

1625
01:33:26.680 --> 01:33:28.880
<v Speaker 3>at a very similar dog.

1626
01:33:28.680 --> 01:33:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Common JOHNA doesn't like Pam because Pam is a reflection.

1627
01:33:36.319 --> 01:33:39.840
<v Speaker 3>Well is an example of that. It is an example

1628
01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:40.079
<v Speaker 3>of that.

1629
01:33:40.520 --> 01:33:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so they found one normal human thing about her. Congratulations.

1630
01:33:46.560 --> 01:33:49.560
<v Speaker 3>This is insane, is very much. I don't think watch

1631
01:33:49.600 --> 01:33:49.960
<v Speaker 3>I've watched.

1632
01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:52.479
<v Speaker 1>I've watched. I watched so much. I watched it so much.

1633
01:33:52.920 --> 01:33:55.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't think you've watched in order watched something. I

1634
01:33:55.960 --> 01:33:59.800
<v Speaker 3>just don't understand. All right, Well, you didn't see that.

1635
01:34:00.159 --> 01:34:02.319
<v Speaker 2>This is hard for me because I felt like John

1636
01:34:02.319 --> 01:34:03.600
<v Speaker 2>and I were on the same team. But then she

1637
01:34:03.680 --> 01:34:06.640
<v Speaker 2>kept things being brought up that I disagree with John on,

1638
01:34:06.720 --> 01:34:10.319
<v Speaker 2>and it's making me hard to like the Office, Old Man,

1639
01:34:10.399 --> 01:34:12.439
<v Speaker 2>the Sea. And then I'm like, what am I doing here?

1640
01:34:12.520 --> 01:34:16.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can tell you my hate rates, my

1641
01:34:16.600 --> 01:34:18.800
<v Speaker 1>or not my My little fucker is that we're headed.

1642
01:34:18.600 --> 01:34:21.000
<v Speaker 2>To Ah, yeah, yes, let's go.

1643
01:34:21.159 --> 01:34:23.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, why didn't you go first? Start?

1644
01:34:23.600 --> 01:34:26.680
<v Speaker 1>So look, I tried to earlier that like Oprah lets

1645
01:34:26.680 --> 01:34:27.840
<v Speaker 1>her dog shit everywhere.

1646
01:34:27.920 --> 01:34:28.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

1647
01:34:28.479 --> 01:34:30.560
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't able to find a record of that online,

1648
01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:35.319
<v Speaker 1>but I swear I heard it. But honestly, the fact

1649
01:34:35.319 --> 01:34:39.159
<v Speaker 1>that both of you guys were like, that's fine, go

1650
01:34:39.159 --> 01:34:42.680
<v Speaker 1>go get them some you'll have an assistant cleaned up

1651
01:34:42.720 --> 01:34:44.760
<v Speaker 1>the dog poop. No, I have to split my hate

1652
01:34:44.800 --> 01:34:49.359
<v Speaker 1>rate between both of you. It goes you and you

1653
01:34:49.720 --> 01:34:51.319
<v Speaker 1>there and you as well.

1654
01:34:51.439 --> 01:34:56.600
<v Speaker 2>And that's from corner one Sarah Clara, all.

1655
01:34:56.600 --> 01:34:58.319
<v Speaker 3>Right, would you rather her hit the dog?

1656
01:34:58.640 --> 01:34:58.960
<v Speaker 2>No?

1657
01:34:59.560 --> 01:35:01.600
<v Speaker 3>What would you rather use.

1658
01:35:01.520 --> 01:35:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Her endless billions to train the dog not to poop inside?

1659
01:35:04.680 --> 01:35:05.319
<v Speaker 1>So nobody has to.

1660
01:35:05.319 --> 01:35:08.199
<v Speaker 3>Clear all right, Well, the dogs in a new environment.

1661
01:35:09.000 --> 01:35:11.000
<v Speaker 3>And maybe he thought he was outside. It's a studio,

1662
01:35:11.119 --> 01:35:12.399
<v Speaker 3>isn't it.

1663
01:35:12.399 --> 01:35:19.199
<v Speaker 1>It could be anything. Well, I don't need to.

1664
01:35:19.520 --> 01:35:22.119
<v Speaker 2>I just don't want to publicly go against Oprah.

1665
01:35:22.199 --> 01:35:25.479
<v Speaker 3>That's my I think she has many dogs and more

1666
01:35:25.520 --> 01:35:28.600
<v Speaker 3>than one had an accident and somebody bitchy pitched about

1667
01:35:28.640 --> 01:35:29.880
<v Speaker 3>it is what I think happened.

1668
01:35:29.960 --> 01:35:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I stand down, and I'm scared to go against well,

1669
01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:36.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm scared to even say it.

1670
01:35:37.479 --> 01:35:39.800
<v Speaker 2>All right, all right, Claire and I I got you.

1671
01:35:40.239 --> 01:35:41.600
<v Speaker 3>She does stand down, stand up.

1672
01:35:42.239 --> 01:35:46.439
<v Speaker 1>My vote it's half, so it's not a full vote

1673
01:35:46.439 --> 01:35:46.600
<v Speaker 1>for you.

1674
01:35:47.159 --> 01:35:49.439
<v Speaker 2>I'll see how that alright, we'll see. We'll see how

1675
01:35:49.479 --> 01:35:51.239
<v Speaker 2>that goes first times.

1676
01:35:51.680 --> 01:35:52.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you might catch on.

1677
01:35:57.159 --> 01:36:02.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, my vote is dedicated all one person. That person

1678
01:36:03.800 --> 01:36:10.560
<v Speaker 4>is the person who is elevating the patriarchy, forgiving misogyny

1679
01:36:11.680 --> 01:36:16.720
<v Speaker 4>and bringing up other misogynists that we didn't even need

1680
01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:21.399
<v Speaker 4>to talk about. Who some dumb, boring, pretentious vote about

1681
01:36:21.399 --> 01:36:25.399
<v Speaker 4>a man on a book on a boat. So yeah, Johna,

1682
01:36:25.479 --> 01:36:26.600
<v Speaker 4>you're gonna get my little vote.

1683
01:36:26.600 --> 01:36:28.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna vote for jonas well. Not just because she

1684
01:36:28.760 --> 01:36:31.520
<v Speaker 3>like keeps insisting that the book is so great even

1685
01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:34.840
<v Speaker 3>though she knows that there are plenty of things criticized

1686
01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:37.319
<v Speaker 3>about it. But remember when I was like, I'm gonna

1687
01:36:37.319 --> 01:36:40.159
<v Speaker 3>try hard to do a bridge between John and Sna.

1688
01:36:40.439 --> 01:36:42.680
<v Speaker 3>I was like trying to throw her bone a little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>and then she like ignores that and votes half for

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<v Speaker 3>me Jona. Yeah, right, But honestly, even if she hadn't

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01:36:50.279 --> 01:36:51.840
<v Speaker 3>done that, I would have voted for just for the

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<v Speaker 3>book thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I have done the math. I see now that my

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01:36:56.680 --> 01:37:00.479
<v Speaker 2>vote is pointless.

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01:37:01.199 --> 01:37:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Change that's it.

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01:37:07.000 --> 01:37:10.920
<v Speaker 2>So I will just I will throw a vote at myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say voting in myself because it seems as

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01:37:17.319 --> 01:37:21.079
<v Speaker 2>though you in a funny way, I'm getting away with

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01:37:21.760 --> 01:37:24.600
<v Speaker 2>sharing John's opinion but not not getting any.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the bagash.

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01:37:28.000 --> 01:37:29.520
<v Speaker 2>And that's just that's a good point.

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01:37:29.640 --> 01:37:32.640
<v Speaker 3>But before you look in, before you lock in, okay,

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01:37:32.680 --> 01:37:36.079
<v Speaker 3>I just want to remind you that our wonderful producer

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01:37:36.159 --> 01:37:40.039
<v Speaker 3>Blake does keep a running total. So your vote does.

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01:37:41.079 --> 01:37:43.199
<v Speaker 2>Like he's going to do. Wait, what's going to happen?

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01:37:43.399 --> 01:37:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Wait?

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01:37:43.640 --> 01:37:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Are we going to really funny.

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01:37:49.600 --> 01:37:51.279
<v Speaker 1>At the end of a final score?

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<v Speaker 3>It was funny last time because it was like it

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01:37:54.760 --> 01:38:01.960
<v Speaker 3>was like, clear, it's funny, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay. I didn't know that

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01:38:04.319 --> 01:38:06.399
<v Speaker 2>was votes. I thought that was like number of little

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01:38:07.079 --> 01:38:11.000
<v Speaker 2>fuckers one, so I would you're right, it is number

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01:38:11.000 --> 01:38:11.800
<v Speaker 2>of little yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know Blake, he's always up in his game.

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<v Speaker 4>It's going to be votes next.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, all right, Well, next time we'll we'll make sure

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<v Speaker 2>to hear the all right, well, congratulations Seanna, you won

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01:38:22.920 --> 01:38:28.439
<v Speaker 2>once again starting season twenty off on a hot streak.

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<v Speaker 3>Familiar, It's familiar to our listeners. I think it's a

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01:38:32.399 --> 01:38:33.039
<v Speaker 3>nice thing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Thankes.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody comfortable?

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<v Speaker 4>Can I say just to George, I feel like by

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<v Speaker 4>and this is no shade to any other mean book

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01:38:46.159 --> 01:38:50.239
<v Speaker 4>club book, but by picking a real book, it really

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01:38:50.359 --> 01:38:53.079
<v Speaker 4>devolved into almost a real book club.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, George, close, clever?

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<v Speaker 2>Why not don we make I think that.

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01:38:59.760 --> 01:39:02.279
<v Speaker 3>So some of us fought back against that by listening

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<v Speaker 3>to the audio please.

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<v Speaker 2>But we thought how we tried. I thought I had

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<v Speaker 2>the book, you know what, Speaking of college, JOHNA, I

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01:39:10.239 --> 01:39:12.840
<v Speaker 2>definitely had, like got this book in college, like I

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01:39:12.880 --> 01:39:15.560
<v Speaker 2>think I I must have been after Freedom came out. Yes,

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01:39:15.800 --> 01:39:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah or something whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>And I remember with I hope they serve beer and

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01:39:20.680 --> 01:39:23.279
<v Speaker 4>hell and you were like I got it.

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01:39:23.760 --> 01:39:25.640
<v Speaker 2>I was actually I got it because I was like

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01:39:25.680 --> 01:39:28.880
<v Speaker 2>living with my grandparents and I was like, oh, this

1741
01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:32.479
<v Speaker 2>the dynamics, which I actually I still feel like, Oh,

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01:39:32.479 --> 01:39:34.039
<v Speaker 2>I would have really related to it at the time.

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01:39:34.159 --> 01:39:35.880
<v Speaker 2>So just because I was living with my grandparents, but

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01:39:37.760 --> 01:39:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I did get it, and I just I never read it.

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01:39:40.039 --> 01:39:42.560
<v Speaker 2>I know I never read it because I was not

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with the book. So next book we have is

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<v Speaker 2>prep by Curtis Sitting Felled.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Congratulations Curtis getting their third book.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's a record we've now this will

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<v Speaker 1>be our first.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, amazing three Curtis. As always, you can join our Patreon,

1753
01:40:01.399 --> 01:40:04.159
<v Speaker 2>become a patron of the Mean Arts, and as you

1754
01:40:04.680 --> 01:40:07.119
<v Speaker 2>know from this episode, if you give us enough money,

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01:40:07.159 --> 01:40:09.760
<v Speaker 2>we will read your book. So there's also a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of other different there's a lot of other tiers where

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01:40:12.079 --> 01:40:15.920
<v Speaker 2>you get cool stuff, and we're gonna start bothering people

1758
01:40:15.920 --> 01:40:18.279
<v Speaker 2>in the tier where they're supposed to like be recording

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01:40:18.680 --> 01:40:22.119
<v Speaker 2>their thoughts on books to you know, actually do those

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01:40:22.159 --> 01:40:25.319
<v Speaker 2>recording so we can include them in the podcast because come.

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<v Speaker 1>We ask, and if you don't want to, that's okay. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be bothered. I guess the last like one time then.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, sure, sure sure. But also check out our TikTok,

1764
01:40:36.880 --> 01:40:41.840
<v Speaker 2>check our Instagram, and Blake is now putting stuff up

1765
01:40:41.920 --> 01:40:44.680
<v Speaker 2>on YouTube too, so you can find us a lot

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01:40:44.680 --> 01:40:48.159
<v Speaker 2>of key places. And yeah, and we got a cool

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01:40:48.159 --> 01:40:50.600
<v Speaker 2>website out, so check that out as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Sarah Good work. We're trying all right. Season twenty

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<v Speaker 1>tag to cat