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Speaker 1: Again Episode six, Requiem.
Speaker 2: So this was uh, you know it is.
Speaker 1: I just noticed something you had it in there, you
Speaker 1: know there.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 1: How some people were debating that Vanessa might have not
Speaker 1: died and I'm like, no.
Speaker 2: She she she's dead. She's really dead.
Speaker 1: And even when the actress who was on who Brandon Davis,
Speaker 1: had held back on a part of his interview from
Speaker 1: the previous weeks about it, talking about the death and
Speaker 1: how she found out things like that, it's like and
Speaker 1: still people were debating it dude, the actor said, she's gone.
Speaker 1: If she's coming back, it ain't. It ain't among the living,
Speaker 1: all right, there's a flashback, so so all all bets
Speaker 1: are off tast it's in their bodies dead. You know
Speaker 1: at that point, you know what, what did?
Speaker 2: What did you think?
Speaker 1: Overall before we start breaking down the episode of this
Speaker 1: of Requiem.
Speaker 3: To the point that I make last week, I have
Speaker 3: been pleasantly redeemed Daredevil through hands, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: It's not a Daredevil episode without someone catching some hands.
Speaker 3: This was a last week. What was was slow and
Speaker 3: was world building. This one really ramped it up in
Speaker 3: a lot of different ways. We got a lot of
Speaker 3: different looks at various characters from a whole new way.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm definitely looking at Buck differently after this,
Speaker 3: and some other characters so.
Speaker 2: Different. I was like, what.
Speaker 1: I've got things to say about that scene because I
Speaker 1: nearly fell out. I nearly laughed out of my chair
Speaker 1: with what happened.
Speaker 2: In my house at that moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know it. It was. It was a
Speaker 3: good episode. I liked how Vincentinofrio portrayed so much without
Speaker 3: saying a single word up until the ending of this
Speaker 3: and that just goes to his credit as an actor
Speaker 3: and how menacing a forced kingpin is that again, just
Speaker 3: his presence, his mannerisms, everything else conveyed everything you needed
Speaker 3: to know. So it was a good episod.
Speaker 1: It's definitely ramping up to what a lot of the
Speaker 1: people have seen all the whole season as said, like
Speaker 1: this is you know, it's leading towards a big conclusion
Speaker 1: at this point, and as we've always been told, this
Speaker 1: is the conclusion of Viscus Mayor, so you know whatever
Speaker 1: that means. But we're getting some interesting kind of things
Speaker 1: coming coming to a head. And as I'm predicting, I
Speaker 1: still think my prediction is coming true. Not only is
Speaker 1: was my factor fiction right that Vincent was vis was
Speaker 1: gonna be responsible inadvertently responsible for Vanessa's death.
Speaker 2: That was proven true.
Speaker 1: And the other one is that because of her death,
Speaker 1: she you know, this is gonna make him go reckless
Speaker 1: and be the leading of his demise, because yes, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have any kind of one to hold him back.
Speaker 1: But that's when villains make big mistakes and get caught
Speaker 1: and we kind of start seeing the people behind the
Speaker 1: scenes who were on Team Fists start you know, rallying
Speaker 1: against him behind the scenes quietly right now. So it'll
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how that all plays out.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Let's start breaking this down. So picking up from where
Speaker 1: the end of the episode left off. In case you
Speaker 1: were confused, as I said, whether Vanessa Fist died as
Speaker 1: previous idisclosed pineapple allergy.
Speaker 2: That's my little bit of humor there.
Speaker 1: Well, no, she died of getting stabbed in the nog
Speaker 1: and with a piece of glass.
Speaker 2: Just in case it wasn't. I saw that going wrong, pineapples.
Speaker 2: She died.
Speaker 1: No, no, stop stop, Well, doctor Morialdi tries to console
Speaker 1: Wilson with some I don't know what was going on.
Speaker 1: He was spitting, like I said, some metaphysical stuff about
Speaker 1: the mind and the body, Like.
Speaker 2: Dude, are you a priest? Doctor?
Speaker 1: I know you're trying to but where is this coming from?
Speaker 1: And Wilson ain't having it.
Speaker 3: What book were you reading before surgery? That this is
Speaker 3: what's what's on you?
Speaker 1: I mean again, I get what they're trying to go out,
Speaker 1: but man, he was digging deep and said, you know
Speaker 1: I ran for this moment all life. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: that consoling and be that good doctor who has good
Speaker 1: bedside manner. Well, you are talking to the wrong person,
Speaker 1: because yeah, he don't care, and he just gives him
Speaker 1: the biggest bear hug in the world, trying to say
Speaker 1: thank you. No, he's not trying to say he squeezed
Speaker 1: the life out of you and crushes him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The minute he put his hands on Fish's shoulder and
Speaker 3: Fish just kind of turned and gave him that side,
Speaker 3: I was like, yep, you're dead. It's over for you, bro,
Speaker 3: and I just.
Speaker 2: Like he leaves him in there. Of course he walks out,
Speaker 2: and Buck's like, right, I.
Speaker 1: Got it, you know, he he's you know, things have
Speaker 1: moved on from Kingpin to playing the mayor game, and
Speaker 1: now it's up to Buck cat Buck Cashman, who returned
Speaker 1: very quickly from his upstate trip bearing the bearing a
Speaker 1: body with mister Blake. You know, comic logic, TV logic.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how long it was taking,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they made it back from this must have been
Speaker 3: a quick return round trip, because for everyone to be
Speaker 3: back in the hospital that fast, maybe they got the
Speaker 3: call and they were like we gotta wrap this up
Speaker 3: and hit ninety five on the freeway to get there.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, but yeah, they seem to made it
Speaker 3: back fast.
Speaker 2: We'll get a gun it to eighty eight and go
Speaker 2: back to the future.
Speaker 1: Ah. So at Venessa's funeral is held, and everyone in
Speaker 1: New York this morning except maybe mister Charles, who discovers
Speaker 1: Wilson has cleared out his cachet of weapons the CIA
Speaker 1: had contracted with him to transport. So it's time for
Speaker 1: the seat to go after the anti vigilante task for us.
Speaker 1: And you had a note in our notes here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Fiscus back in his all white kingpin suit. Since
Speaker 3: rising to the position of mayor, he you know, dressed
Speaker 3: a little bit more informally like he had the different
Speaker 3: colored suits, yet the American flag, la pin, all this
Speaker 3: other stuff. This is back. I don't care. He's in
Speaker 3: the all white And it was also an interesting viewpoint
Speaker 3: from the funeral. On his side that he's sitting on
Speaker 3: is all the anti Vision anti task force behind the
Speaker 3: people in the church, and on the other side is
Speaker 3: the NYPD. There is a clear separation of the groups
Speaker 3: of people.
Speaker 1: And this has a lot in how this is is
Speaker 1: thinking his power. He's invincible because he just basically thumbed
Speaker 1: his nose in front of the CIA.
Speaker 2: Now again, it makes sense basing that the last.
Speaker 1: Time he met mister Charles buck took out his two
Speaker 1: kind of you know, mister Charles's bodyguards and was ready
Speaker 1: to take him out too. But he's not that brash,
Speaker 1: So it makes sense that Fisk is thinking that what
Speaker 1: are they going to do? Yeah, And at that moment,
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, this is the beginning of
Speaker 1: the end. You don't you don't mess with the CIA
Speaker 1: like this. It's been with who he is tied to,
Speaker 1: with miss de la Fontaine, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this this is showing that, you know, again, Fist
Speaker 3: is back just full on kingpin at this point. He's
Speaker 3: not thinking things thoroughly. He doesn't have that guiding light,
Speaker 3: that compass to help guide his decisions and kind of
Speaker 3: calm down his irrational behavior. So this looks like, you know,
Speaker 3: screwing over mister Charles and starting this back and forth
Speaker 3: with the CIA is going to be the first steps
Speaker 3: to his eventual undoing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then, because enough isn't going on, we cut to
Speaker 1: the house in the suburbs where a young girl we
Speaker 1: later find out his name Danielle, is playing, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden like, the Anti Vigilante Task Force rolls
Speaker 1: up and starts getting ready to get break into the
Speaker 1: house and they throw I guess think it was it
Speaker 1: gonna be a flashbag or something at that point, it
Speaker 1: didn't go. It got thrown into the house. The girl
Speaker 1: thinks of toy and she's running around. But as she's
Speaker 1: going around, you hear the anti vigilanty task for is
Speaker 1: getting their butts handed to him royally.
Speaker 2: We're like, is it? Could this be?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it is And so as the you know,
Speaker 1: everyone else getting kicked kicked out of the kicked out
Speaker 1: from outside of the house, the Danielle, the little girl,
Speaker 1: walks up and then runs in her mother, and her
Speaker 1: mother is none other than miss Jessica Jones saying this
Speaker 1: is not a toy.
Speaker 2: And what an intro that was.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's one of my favorite thing,
Speaker 1: one of the number of favorite scenes in this But
Speaker 1: what a cool way to reintroduce Jessica Jones like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that was such an awesome moment. Now, I
Speaker 3: did wonder if the people who put up to the
Speaker 3: house were playing clothes anti vigilante or if they were
Speaker 3: part of like the CIA. If they're part of mister
Speaker 3: Charles's group because she does mention him going after you
Speaker 3: know people later. So like I was confused as to
Speaker 3: it wasn't necessarily stated who was who is attacking her,
Speaker 3: as to why, as to why she is now showing up.
Speaker 3: But damn if that wasn't the coolest scene. Just you know,
Speaker 3: all you see is the little girl. You see the
Speaker 3: stun grenade come in, and then you see this mom
Speaker 3: go running out, sliding in her purple socks and running outside.
Speaker 3: And next thing you know, everyone's getting beat up, thrown
Speaker 3: against the window, flung against the yard, and you had
Speaker 3: just having her come back in to grab it, disarm
Speaker 3: it and go that's not a toy. I was like, uh,
Speaker 3: our girl is back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what was just interesting? Is she.
Speaker 1: She being living in a in the suburbs, Like that's
Speaker 1: not Jessica Joe. That Jessica Jones We've gotten used to.
Speaker 1: So I've got lots of questions. You know, there is
Speaker 1: comic president. She has a mom in the comics.
Speaker 2: Who is she? Who did she have the kid with? Well?
Speaker 2: In the comics it's Luke Cage. Is this Luke's baby?
Speaker 2: Could be?
Speaker 1: There's that there there's definitely enough there that they could
Speaker 1: make that happen in the in the in between years,
Speaker 1: But we don't know who Danielle's Danielle's father is at
Speaker 1: this point. We make our assumptions it's Luke, but we
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm hoping it's Luke. I mean, all signs point
Speaker 3: to Luke. You got this little bi racial baby, you know.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm calling out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so everything is there, so what we will
Speaker 3: see coming up, But yeah, no, that was just a
Speaker 3: great way to pop her back on our screen. And
Speaker 3: again for the people who have been following along the way,
Speaker 3: it's just it's that great moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was definitely a nice little surprise there, but
Speaker 1: I think great reintroduction. So back in New York, we
Speaker 1: finally catch up on our title character, Mister Daredevil, as
Speaker 1: he and Karen Paige Freden argue about saving Bullseye.
Speaker 2: Also, if you thought Matt was.
Speaker 1: I thought Matt was mentioning who he uh, you know,
Speaker 1: mentioning who he The nurse I was going to be
Speaker 1: saving his life is going to be the night nurse.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately it's not, because no Clare Temple. It's a solid
Speaker 1: dead The character has been appearing regularly on the TV
Speaker 1: on this TV series.
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, guys, no night Nurse.
Speaker 1: And so the tension between Matt and Karen really intentifies
Speaker 1: because again, this is the man who killed Foggy, and
Speaker 1: Karen argues that Deck should be left to die or worse,
Speaker 1: blaming him for causing and continuing the chaos in the city.
Speaker 1: Angela agrees, pointing out how much damage he's already caused.
Speaker 1: But Matt holding to those those Catholic ideals that you know,
Speaker 1: taking a life would cross the line that he cannot
Speaker 1: come back from well because I mean he did come
Speaker 1: back from it, but again he didn't take a life, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I he he is still having his his guilt
Speaker 3: from attempting to kill and you know Karen's over here like, look,
Speaker 3: what needs to be done needs to be done. I
Speaker 3: whoever got to get got got to get got.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the so, despite Wilson clearly going full doctor squish mode,
Speaker 1: there's still time for politics on this show. So you know,
Speaker 1: get ready, those of you like the politics on the show,
Speaker 1: like me, it's kind of fun.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Buck is spending some time trying to get the Lieutenant
Speaker 1: governor to turn on Governor Marge McCaffrey, while Governor mar
Speaker 1: is trying to turn Sheila, trying to turn Chila Rivera specifically,
Speaker 1: marje want Sheila to be mayor, not Wilson fist. How
Speaker 1: about that? You know that kind of starts aligning with
Speaker 1: some trailers we've seen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Buck is very active in this episode, and
Speaker 3: you know, we're gonna get to the big part later,
Speaker 3: but even these little bits like manipulating government figures, you know,
Speaker 3: a conversation that's gonna come up right after this, Like
Speaker 3: Buck is doing a lot of work in this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Buck is also tightening the screws on Daniel now that
Speaker 1: they've had the body bearing bonding time, which is kind
Speaker 1: of weird, but you know, you know, psychopasity psychopaths specifically,
Speaker 1: now that Buck has a figurative and little dirt on Daniel,
Speaker 1: he needs to catch bb Yurick in the act of
Speaker 1: snagging info from the mayor's office for a little secret
Speaker 1: takedown of the mayor account. Why Buck, you know why Buck,
Speaker 1: a guy who seems to be fine murdering whoever needs
Speaker 1: evidence on bb is a mystery for another time, Like
Speaker 1: literally Egan does literally take her out. You know, I
Speaker 1: mean again because protagonist and plot, but he doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to have trouble killing everyone else, so why are we
Speaker 1: going about it this way?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's I think this is one of those
Speaker 3: things where he is pushing Daniel to be the one
Speaker 3: to take care of this problem. But yeah, he's like,
Speaker 3: you know, you got to set her up, give plant
Speaker 3: a false secret. See if it leaks, and if it does,
Speaker 3: then you know that she's right and she can't be trusted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And because it's over to a classic rooftop chat.
Speaker 1: You know, you get Matt in the daytime in costume.
Speaker 1: You don't see that too often. A nice little rooftop
Speaker 1: chat between Jessica in her classic outfit and Matt. Turns
Speaker 1: out that mister Charles has been recruiting people with superpowers
Speaker 1: for some covert reason, perhaps Valentina Legodefontaine trying to maybe
Speaker 1: get some more Thunderbolts action. And Jessica said, like she
Speaker 1: answ towards that. She's like, she thought about it, but
Speaker 1: she's not a joiner in that case. But he did
Speaker 1: get someone close to her. Interesting though it must would
Speaker 1: love to be Patty Walker. This is more likely an
Speaker 1: explanation as to why Luke Cage isn't around. Maybe he
Speaker 1: got to them. Maybe Luke's been doing some stuff for
Speaker 1: the CIA at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, especially if mister Charles promised him, you know,
Speaker 3: a safe haven for Harlem. You know, when we last
Speaker 3: saw Luke Cage, he was running Harlem, you know, as
Speaker 3: its new underground boss. So there could have been some
Speaker 3: type of exchange that would be something that would get
Speaker 3: Luke to kind of go along with the flow, even
Speaker 3: though Jess Could didn't agree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's maybe just to protect him, you know. At
Speaker 1: that point. You know, we also find out that Daniel
Speaker 1: since Daniel was born, like Matt meant the comment saying,
Speaker 1: you're you're breathing a little different at that point, your
Speaker 1: heart is is you know, not necessarily, it looks like
Speaker 1: it's compensating because she's like, she broke a rib and
Speaker 1: he kind of looks at her, how did you break
Speaker 1: a rib? She's basically says that since the birth of
Speaker 1: Daniel Danielle, that her power drop out occasionally. So could
Speaker 1: giving birth have passed on some of her gifts to
Speaker 1: Danielle and so she doesn't have full access to her powers.
Speaker 1: You know that that was one theory I had at
Speaker 1: that point. It's not necessarily a comic precedent for it,
Speaker 1: but that's right now my idea of what she's meaning
Speaker 1: by it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is an alternate version, an alternate universe, first
Speaker 3: version of Danielle who inherits both her mom and dad's powers,
Speaker 3: a combination of it, and eventually goes on to become
Speaker 3: a new version of Captain America. So her being passed
Speaker 3: through to Danielle would not be some grand, out of
Speaker 3: the ordinary thing, and it could also set a precedent
Speaker 3: for future things about you know, how certain powers are transferred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but not the idea of like her literally taking
Speaker 1: the abilities from her parents, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like the power net.
Speaker 3: But the other thing is that would technically make Danielle
Speaker 3: a mutant, because both Luke and Jessica got their powers
Speaker 3: from experiment being experimented on yep and the Netflix shows,
Speaker 3: but her having them through birth would technically make her
Speaker 3: a muting.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Ah, We'll see, everything's a mutant, right, got to get
Speaker 1: that meet and Saga coming out exactly. That immediately becomes
Speaker 1: a problem when they decide to cause a little trouble
Speaker 1: as they said, as they go into the warehouse and
Speaker 1: throw fists as you like to say, or it's gonna
Speaker 1: be throw hands, and Daredevil's whopoping some butt, Jessica's whipping
Speaker 1: some butt, throwing throwing things at.
Speaker 2: High velocity at that point.
Speaker 1: But of course, of course her powers decide to conk
Speaker 1: out when the I can't remember his name, the lead,
Speaker 1: a anti vigilante task force guy. Of course they go
Speaker 1: out when he starts, you know, pumping his chest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she gives him a punch and he kind of
Speaker 3: he takes it and he's like, huh not like he's
Speaker 3: really he's really feeling himself at this point because he
Speaker 3: takes a punch from Jessica Jones and he's like, hey,
Speaker 3: I take that with these not knowing that really it's
Speaker 3: just our powers are going out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just like, oh, of all people, he
Speaker 1: needs to be you know, cut down literally.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, so they eventually find a way to
Speaker 1: blow up the warehouse. So all the guns are done,
Speaker 1: and you found a you found a nice little easter
Speaker 1: egg there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The the crates that were in there were labeled for
Speaker 3: the Ox Corporation, which again is Valentina Alegra Dae Fontane's group,
Speaker 3: so that we saw this group that was supposedly being
Speaker 3: dissolved and no longer, according to her in her congressional hearing,
Speaker 3: no longer making and distributing weapons, but they are all
Speaker 3: over this cash of weapons here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, back at the government party, Heather Glenn, who is
Speaker 1: clearly extremely turning.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say she's turning into Muse. She's turning
Speaker 2: into views.
Speaker 3: The scene of her crying and the way that the
Speaker 3: tears are flowing, mimicking his mass and everything else. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is definitely some foreshadowing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's stealing kufflings from what kind of like
Speaker 1: she's some weird klepto psychopath at this point, like stealing
Speaker 1: from her best friend's house. I mean, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: her and Vanessa were getting kind of close there, which
Speaker 1: makes wakes one wonder if she's also angling to be Vanessa,
Speaker 1: you know, that could also be some sick, weird things
Speaker 1: she's doing. We don't get answers to that, but Buck
Speaker 1: does show up and goads her to telling him what
Speaker 1: Muse did to her and an example of what you
Speaker 1: should not do encourages.
Speaker 2: Her to choke him.
Speaker 1: Clearly, this is leaning into Heather becoming a baddie. Not
Speaker 1: in a good way, but I sure wish they'd get
Speaker 1: there quicker. And it was the weirdest, strangest, most awkward thing,
Speaker 1: the sounds that were being made. My wife was reading
Speaker 1: on the couch at the time, and I caught her
Speaker 1: when those sounds were remaking. I caught her looking up
Speaker 1: shed what is going on? I said, I mean, we
Speaker 1: don't shame people for what like turns them on at
Speaker 1: this point, because I guarantee you so, I don't know
Speaker 1: which one was getting turned on by that.
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I couldn't tell I Buck, yes, Heather.
Speaker 1: Probably it was weird, like I was out of all
Speaker 1: the things in a Daredevil MCU show that was weird,
Speaker 1: really weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah. A good uh close friend of mine, Anne, who
Speaker 3: is also a listener of the show, who will tell me,
Speaker 3: you know, some of the stuff that we say throughout
Speaker 3: the week on the show, she was watching it, and
Speaker 3: I knew exactly when she got to this because I
Speaker 3: just got a text message of her making a face
Speaker 3: like just in shock him like, yeah, you got to
Speaker 3: that scene, didn't you.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, I never thought i'd see something like that,
Speaker 1: but hey whatever. So back to Daniel, back to a
Speaker 1: different kind of awkwardness. While heading to Staten Island to
Speaker 1: visit his mom for his birthday, he tells Bbe a
Speaker 1: secret that makes her promise to not leak it.
Speaker 2: The secret.
Speaker 1: This isn't running for reelection naturally, that's that's a lie.
Speaker 1: That's what that was Buck trying to get him to do,
Speaker 1: is to give him something to see if she'd leak
Speaker 1: it out. So Daniel knows Bbe is the leaker, which
Speaker 1: means Buck can kill her again if he can't. If
Speaker 1: he can kill her whenever he wants, maybe get Heather
Speaker 1: to do it.
Speaker 2: She loves choking people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this, you know, he has his moment and you
Speaker 3: can tell, like Daniel is on the fence about bb
Speaker 3: this entire time, from the moment that she kind of
Speaker 3: invites herself to this birthday deal. He's just feeling really unsure,
Speaker 3: and you know he he gives her that thing and
Speaker 3: he's being real, real over the top with it, like
Speaker 3: you can't tell anyone. You have to promise this stays
Speaker 3: between us. I trust you and tell me that that
Speaker 3: you understand how important my trust is and he gives
Speaker 3: her this secret to check and see, Okay, is this
Speaker 3: going to leak out?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, you know it's interesting, so.
Speaker 1: We we get the idea of because we were wondering that,
Speaker 1: you know, they get to Staten Island, which is fifth territory,
Speaker 1: just like how it's you know, another another very interesting
Speaker 1: territory that put there. It's a President Trump's country in
Speaker 1: real life accounting in real life, which is interesting enough.
Speaker 1: And BB is about to send the leak until she
Speaker 1: sees Daniel's childhood bedroom. She could decides not to leak
Speaker 1: the fake news even though and at that moment she's
Speaker 1: texting someone she blank and you miss it. She is
Speaker 1: texting someone very specific with the name Ellison. If you
Speaker 1: remember back in the all back all back to the Daily, Oh,
Speaker 1: Daily Bulletin, it was the Daily Bugle, Daily Bulletin. Ellison
Speaker 1: was the editor in chief of the bulletin that BB York.
Speaker 1: Her uncle worked for.
Speaker 3: YEP, so both Karen and Ben Urick worked for Ellison.
Speaker 3: He was Ben's Bosston. Then he's the one who gave
Speaker 3: Karen a chance to you know, flesh out some stories
Speaker 3: and kind of work within the bulletin on you know,
Speaker 3: hunting down the leads that she had and everything else.
Speaker 3: So he was a big player within the Netflix series.
Speaker 3: So to see that name come across her phone before
Speaker 3: she decided to erase the message was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So she clearly decides not to leave fake News and
Speaker 1: even almost kisses Daniel, but it's too late. He found
Speaker 1: the SD card with the dirt on fist that was
Speaker 1: slipped into her code a few episodes back. Good job
Speaker 1: to BB for not checking her coat pockets.
Speaker 2: Weird.
Speaker 1: This is also when Buck calls, so whatever Daniel feels
Speaker 1: about BB may be taken out of his hands.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He's like, you know what, I try to protect you,
Speaker 3: but there's probably nothing I can do now, you know.
Speaker 3: It's all on you. And she's like, protect me from who?
Speaker 3: Who's gonna do what? And his phone starts to ring
Speaker 3: and he picks up his phone and goes him and
Speaker 3: shows it and it's Buck calling, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is some bad timing for her.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So back in Manhattan, Powell is is Onta Saunders and
Speaker 1: the AVTF member who offered to work with Karen and
Speaker 1: Daredevil a few episodes back. Speaking of that duo, Bullseye
Speaker 1: wants Karen to kill him, and he's more happy to
Speaker 1: comply until she literally is putting the gun to his
Speaker 1: temple that point and Daredevil and destin and knocks it
Speaker 1: out of her hands with Billy Club. Clearly they are
Speaker 1: at odds even if they want the same thing.
Speaker 2: At the end, destroy Fisk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was not a light throw either. He
Speaker 3: knocked the hell out of that thing. And she even
Speaker 3: goes She's like, ah, shit, like you really really got
Speaker 3: hurt with that.
Speaker 1: And I like how the costume is losing the black
Speaker 1: the black little by little, so it's getting back to
Speaker 1: the the red, the original red red coloring of the costume.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3: No, it was just, you know, he is again, it's
Speaker 3: showing how much they are dividing apart, how much Karen
Speaker 3: is set in her ways up, we gotta do whatever
Speaker 3: it takes, and true to form, Matt is within his
Speaker 3: ultimate Catholic guilt of we got to do it this
Speaker 3: way and that way. We gotta save whoever we can.
Speaker 3: However we can think about people full souls, and it's
Speaker 3: just it's a big riff that's going between these two
Speaker 3: and it's a far cry from episode one of them
Speaker 3: dancing and kissing underneath, you know, while they are hiding out.
Speaker 3: Now they are at odds.
Speaker 1: So mister Charles has a different end goal, and to
Speaker 1: do that he goes to visits the Governor, drawing a
Speaker 1: slightly dirty connection to the otherwise squeaky clean Governor. But
Speaker 1: probably more on that as we head into the endgame
Speaker 1: of the season. So she's abandoning Fisk and he's like,
Speaker 1: I can help you do that. I can help you
Speaker 1: get what you want. Is as long as he helped
Speaker 1: me out. We don't know exactly details, but as I said,
Speaker 1: we start seeing the beginnings of the end of people
Speaker 1: protecting Fisk.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It the games are getting set in place. This
Speaker 3: to me is leading not only to the end of
Speaker 3: this season. There's gonna be some fallout that I think
Speaker 3: will take place not only in the Punisher Special, but
Speaker 3: also in Spider Man Brand New Day based on some
Speaker 3: things that we've seen from the trailer. It's it's everything
Speaker 3: is getting set in motion now.
Speaker 2: Mm.
Speaker 1: So the rest of the action takes place in two locations,
Speaker 1: City Hall, which has become split between the protesters against
Speaker 1: Fisk and the mourners for Vanessa and Fists Red Hook basement,
Speaker 1: the one where they held the dude who slept with
Speaker 1: Vanessa in the prison and currently contained that that white
Speaker 1: painting that everyone loves so much.
Speaker 2: It's particularly fisk.
Speaker 1: So starting with City Hall, Karen broadcast the confession about
Speaker 1: Fist prison on the wall of the building, which has
Speaker 1: a much greater impact in the show that even more
Speaker 1: horrible conditions in the basically the kind of facilities that
Speaker 1: have been revealed has the ice facilities have been in.
Speaker 2: The real world.
Speaker 1: As the crowd gets more and more unruly, Powell kills
Speaker 1: Saunders and blames it on the protesters, escalating things into
Speaker 1: a full blown riot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pal set this up from the beginning. You saw
Speaker 3: a couple of scenes ago when Powell goes to Saunders.
Speaker 3: He's like, hey, kids, you ready, and Saunders just, you know,
Speaker 3: he's a little shake. He's like yeah, you know, I'm righty.
Speaker 3: He goes all right, you're gonna do what it takes,
Speaker 3: and Saunder's like yeah. And then they get out there
Speaker 3: and he's got Saunders on the front line and he's
Speaker 3: kind of hyping him up. He goes pass him on
Speaker 3: the shoulders, like you got this, and then he pulls
Speaker 3: Saunders aside behind one of the vehicles and says, hey,
Speaker 3: I know it was you who leaked this information, And
Speaker 3: Sanders is looking shocked and goes weapons free kid and
Speaker 3: then just blows them away. And I was like, oh crap.
Speaker 2: I knew was you Saunders. I knew he was you. Fredo.
Speaker 2: It broke my heart, Yeah, broke my bam. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: was not long for this world.
Speaker 1: So in the midst of everything, Karen tries to help
Speaker 1: the kid from the bodega who gave bb here SD card,
Speaker 1: and it leads to Pale capturing Karen. The bigger deal, though,
Speaker 1: is that Matt and Wilson Fire meet face to face
Speaker 1: for the first time this season, and after a stylist
Speaker 1: shot of Dde's helmet shadow on fist face which was
Speaker 1: pretty cool, when he says I see you're here, Murdoch,
Speaker 1: the hero offers a deal. They both leave New York. Clearly,
Speaker 1: this isn't.
Speaker 2: About actual politics.
Speaker 1: It's about the two of them and the only way
Speaker 1: to save the city they both love in different ways before.
Speaker 2: It destroys, before it's destroyed. You know, I don't know
Speaker 2: it's you know.
Speaker 1: Regardless, Kingping does not agree to this, the two have
Speaker 1: a fantastic, really good fight scene between the boat of
Speaker 1: them where Daredevil. You know, it looks like occasionally Fist
Speaker 1: might have him the upper hand, but no, this is
Speaker 1: all Daredevil.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 1: He is fully in control. Fisk is acting nodding and
Speaker 1: trol at all. He is acting out of anger and
Speaker 1: and he's just when it comes down to the two
Speaker 1: with only two episodes ago, he kind of he makes
Speaker 1: a statement to him.
Speaker 2: Say you you what was it? You can you can't
Speaker 2: kill me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and you can't arrest me basically, like you
Speaker 1: can't either what either option is? One's immoral for you
Speaker 1: to ever do and the other one. You're not a cop,
Speaker 1: so you can't arrest me.
Speaker 2: So what do you say?
Speaker 3: You you basically you have no jurisdiction here. And I thought,
Speaker 3: you know, overall, it's so cool. Like I mentioned before,
Speaker 3: Vincent Danafio, his presence in his mannerisms. This scene, this
Speaker 3: final scene of the episode, is the first time we
Speaker 3: hear Wilson Fist speak all episode, and that is when
Speaker 3: he turns around to meet Matt Murdoch. Like that is
Speaker 3: the first time he speaks. And again he is a
Speaker 3: man unleashed like Daredevil is composed those first couple of
Speaker 3: strikes that fist throws Daredevil's dodging him. It's only when
Speaker 3: Daredevil goes to throw I think it's like his second
Speaker 3: or third punch, and Wilson grabs his arm and just
Speaker 3: kind of squeezes it with his sheer mic. But other
Speaker 3: than that, I mean, he is he has just giving
Speaker 3: him hands and then he hits him with In the
Speaker 3: wrestling world it's referred to a v trigger, but it's
Speaker 3: that running high knee strike and I'm just like, yes,
Speaker 3: my boy is going in on this again. For the
Speaker 3: comic readers, Daredevil is an amazing hand to hand fighter,
Speaker 3: so to be able to see this live action version
Speaker 3: just giving hands like that and then going back and
Speaker 3: forth Fist picking him up and throwing him inadvertently throwing
Speaker 3: him into the white painting, which is further enrageous Kingpin,
Speaker 3: even though technically it's his fault for throwing Matt into
Speaker 3: the painting, but he's just he's losing it more and more.
Speaker 3: He's losing his anchor to Vanessa when he throws him
Speaker 3: into this painting.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: And and.
Speaker 1: So at this point, you know Karen's captured Kingpins on leash.
Speaker 1: What does this mean for New York as we head
Speaker 1: into the final two episodes and will Jessica Jones and
Speaker 1: Luke be back. I'm pretty confident based on things we've
Speaker 1: already seen from trailers before the season dropped. There's there's
Speaker 1: a couple of scenes we haven't seen with Jessica Jones,
Speaker 1: so she it was not this is the only episode
Speaker 1: at that point. But the question is will we see
Speaker 1: Luke Cage come into this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm excited for that. Man, I'm so sad
Speaker 3: that there's only two episodes left. It feels like there
Speaker 3: should be more. But if they take what was just
Speaker 3: done and ramp up from there, I'm golden with that.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: So we will see next week for the penultimate episode
Speaker 1: of Daredevil Born Again season two. So we're gonna take
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Speaker 1: be right back and we are back. So we weren't
Speaker 1: gonna have news a new segment because there really wasn't
Speaker 1: anything outside of some small rumors and things like that.
Speaker 1: But we get a new trailer kind of behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: They call it like the intro to the Villains for
Speaker 1: Spider Noir. So let me kind of set that up.
Speaker 1: Change that out. Stuff that's screen sharing, try another screen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a pleasant surprise. I forget how close
Speaker 3: we are to Spider Noir debuting, just with everything else
Speaker 3: that's happening right now. Like you know, we said there's
Speaker 3: just so much good television going on, I almost forgot
Speaker 3: this is coming up soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think this is coming in May if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: So yeah, May twenty fifth.
Speaker 2: So all episodes.
Speaker 1: Love that, especially when we just saw the the times
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 2: It ain't quick episode to tell you that much done.
Speaker 3: Eight episode drop and they're dropping them all.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, like fortyish minutes each, and I was like,
Speaker 1: why why are you doing this?
Speaker 2: Tests All right, so let's see. Let's see what we
Speaker 2: got going on here.
Speaker 3: We start with a good look at Brendan Gleason's Silvermain
Speaker 3: and I mean he just he looks like a good
Speaker 3: old school villain, and I love Brendan Gleeson as a whole,
Speaker 3: but seeing him in this moment with this black and
Speaker 3: white lighting, like it makes me very excited for this
Speaker 3: version of Silvermain.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Silvermain was originally first appeared and Amazing Spider Man number
Speaker 1: seventy three, created by Stan Lean's John Buscema. He's a
Speaker 1: super vailed and he's a notorious crime boss, prominent figure
Speaker 1: in the magi fictional organized crime syndicate. He's usually depicted
Speaker 1: as an adversary to Spider Man and the father of
Speaker 1: Joseph Man Freddie. Silvermain was late later became a cyborg
Speaker 1: in an attempt to extend his lifespan. So I don't
Speaker 1: think we're going to see the cyborg version of Silvermain,
Speaker 1: but you know, again making making that idea. So he
Speaker 1: is the head of this crime boss, and so we're
Speaker 1: getting a look at also the coloring, the color version.
Speaker 1: We go back and forth between color and black and
Speaker 1: white or they call it, well, they have a name
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 2: Like true tone or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're saying someone burned down his mansion. And
Speaker 1: great casting, absolutely great casting with Brandon Gleason doing this,
Speaker 1: the at his his call, his accent, everything about.
Speaker 2: Like he he they did. He looks like a crime boss.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we heard him say it this this,
Speaker 1: this Spider Man is fresh Nicholas Cage word Spider Man.
Speaker 2: Yet we are calling a Spider Noir.
Speaker 3: Yep, you know. And it's it's so funny that there's
Speaker 3: been so much conflicting between producers Nick Cage and other
Speaker 3: people like what are we calling this? What are we
Speaker 3: going with this? Like I'm just wow.
Speaker 2: All right. So we get our first look at Sandman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting look at you know, this version
Speaker 3: of Flint Marco and the way that his skin is
Speaker 3: kind of you know, changing. It almost looks like, you know,
Speaker 3: he's got some type of disease. It's not the traditional
Speaker 3: how we see him just go between human form and
Speaker 3: sand form. This looks more like, you know, something is
Speaker 3: attacking him or attacking his skin.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting he calls him an anti hero's power
Speaker 1: of the superhero. It's also what's killing him. So maybe
Speaker 1: the more he uses it more, the powers that he
Speaker 1: uses ends up kind of you.
Speaker 2: Know, gonna end him.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: So we get our first look at Tombstone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very interesting look for Tombstone with them going
Speaker 3: for the old school aesthetic. You know, I wasn't sure
Speaker 3: exactly how they would do it, but yeah, this it's
Speaker 3: definitely a different look than I was expecting. So we
Speaker 3: got a year with two Tombstones for Mercer to be
Speaker 3: you know, because we know Tombstones in brand new day. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and actually three versions of Tombstone We're gonna get Friendly
Speaker 3: Neighborhood back. We're going to get this and man, it's
Speaker 3: a year of Tombstone.
Speaker 2: There. We get Electro.
Speaker 3: So injure they give him a different name than Electro.
Speaker 3: That that kind of caught me off guard, Like I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I like that. That's that's new to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mega Lot. Yeah that's I didn't catch it the
Speaker 1: first time. So yeah, Mega a lot. And it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how I'm feeling about that. What was
Speaker 1: wrong with Electro?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we do get some good looks at the
Speaker 3: at some of the fight scenes and the choreography and
Speaker 3: things like that. Again, I this continues to make me
Speaker 3: want to watch the black and white version rather than
Speaker 3: the full color, Like true, h yeah, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 3: gonna stick after watching this, I for sure I'm gonna
Speaker 3: stick with the black and white version. Because I mean
Speaker 3: those scenes just looked incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I might try it just for the
Speaker 1: first episode, just to kind of see it, but it's
Speaker 1: probably gonna end up too darring. And again the comics
Speaker 1: were very much all going into that aesthetic. And I'm
Speaker 1: again I've set up before, I'm a film noir junkie,
Speaker 1: so I'm all about this and what it's about.
Speaker 2: So it's it looks good.
Speaker 1: It further entices me to really looking forward to this
Speaker 1: show despite it all dropping it once, but you know,
Speaker 1: it is what it is.
Speaker 2: It's more more interesting content.
Speaker 1: And again it's Nicholas Cage playing the character he voiced,
Speaker 1: so you'll get that always too often. So exciting, exciting stuff.
Speaker 1: So all right, so that is interesting enough all the
Speaker 1: news we got for this week. So let's head into
Speaker 1: uh start with listener feedbacks.
Speaker 2: What do you got this week? All right?
Speaker 3: From Anthony Dorsey.
Speaker 1: Assuming last from last week, so we're going to get.
Speaker 3: You this is a holdover since we had a little
Speaker 3: bit of a you know, modification last week. We kept
Speaker 3: this promise we'd answer it. So assuming that huge Jackman,
Speaker 3: Ryan Reynolds death, Y Kean and Channing Tatum Will replies
Speaker 3: their respective roles in the MCU after Secret Wars. Which
Speaker 3: other three past actman actors would you like to see
Speaker 3: also keep their roles as others get recast?
Speaker 2: Why don't you take a shot at that.
Speaker 3: One then, So I've kind of gone back and forth,
Speaker 3: you know, even though he's getting kind of older and god,
Speaker 3: now why is his name? Escape me right now? But
Speaker 3: Beast Fraser who oh, yes, Kelsey Grammar as Beasts, it
Speaker 3: just it fits, it fits how I feel that character
Speaker 3: would be nothing against Nicholas Halton, what he did with
Speaker 3: the series and his take on Beasts. But Kelsey Grammer's
Speaker 3: Beast is just the voice, the mannerisms, everything else, Like
Speaker 3: he is one that I would want to have stay
Speaker 3: in that role because again, I just feel like like
Speaker 3: he fits it.
Speaker 1: I've always wanted this character to come back because it
Speaker 1: got done dirty and I'd like to see it come back.
Speaker 2: But Armando Muna.
Speaker 1: As Darwin, Yes, yes, that that character was done dirty,
Speaker 1: and you know, going.
Speaker 3: Back to the the first class iteration, Like I I
Speaker 3: don't feel like we got a really good time working
Speaker 3: with working with Scott's brother like he they have him
Speaker 3: in the original X Men, like he's they use him
Speaker 3: a bit, and they use him in some of the
Speaker 3: follow ups, but they don't really expand on the character
Speaker 3: that much. And so like having all of the Summers
Speaker 3: family give me that. But if I can only get
Speaker 3: a little bit, then I would take them bringing back sorry,
Speaker 3: give me a second smater sorry. So if they could
Speaker 3: bring back Alex Summer's havoc, then that would just be
Speaker 3: incredible for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. I would love to see that too.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm trying to think of anything else that one.
Speaker 1: Again, I would love it. It's not it's not a
Speaker 1: big kind character. I just want justice for that character.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he had his moment and he was like,
Speaker 3: you know, I I'm darling, I'm made to adapt and
Speaker 3: then like adapt to this and then he's just dead
Speaker 3: and you're like, what.
Speaker 1: That's not how that works, not how any of that works.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so thank you for the question, Anthony. So
Speaker 1: Brent is asking a question.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Brent literally just asked a question all of
Speaker 3: seven minutes ago. So Brnce says, when Jess says she
Speaker 3: told mister Charles to kindly f off, but not everyone did,
Speaker 3: and Matt just goes, oh, like he realized something do
Speaker 3: you think she meant Luke and or.
Speaker 2: Danny, I mean maybe both. You know, yeah, I would
Speaker 2: it would be interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, like we said, we already kind of theorized Luke,
Speaker 1: but I didn't think Danny might be involved.
Speaker 2: But it would be interesting just because, like.
Speaker 1: Luke isn't the one who gets kind of be used,
Speaker 1: Like he's never been that way, and it strikes me
Speaker 1: as something outside of if he and Jessica, that is
Speaker 1: their child and the only thing you could ever have
Speaker 1: on him was like, well we'll leave them alone if
Speaker 1: you join us. That's the only way I see Luke
Speaker 1: doing this, and I'm pretty confident that's what happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the only way I can see Danny
Speaker 3: being a part of it is if this is a
Speaker 3: Heroes for Higher team up and he's just following Luke
Speaker 3: just to you know, say, hey, you're not doing this alone.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I could definitely see Luke doing this for
Speaker 3: protection of his family or protection of Harlem, like there's
Speaker 3: something big that's going to go down, and he's working
Speaker 3: with them in order to not lose that control.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so that's we'll have to see.
Speaker 1: But all right, so before we get into factor fiction,
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Speaker 2: So factor fictions from a couple of weeks back fact
Speaker 2: to fiction. One, Curtis's death.
Speaker 1: Is what will bring the Punisher back into being the
Speaker 1: Punisher again. Eighty three percent said fact, seventeen percent In fiction.
Speaker 1: Number two, Jessica Jones will mention a current relationship when
Speaker 1: June when Luke Cage in season two or season three,
Speaker 1: I Dared to be born Again one hundred percent said fact.
Speaker 1: And number three, Vanessa Fist will be resurrected by the
Speaker 1: Hand thirty three percent said fact, sixty seven percent said fiction.
Speaker 3: I got time. I still got two episodes left.
Speaker 1: Stop trying to make the hand resurrecting Vanessa thing. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen like fetch all right, let me pull
Speaker 1: up mine. It's my turn this week, all right. So
Speaker 1: number one, since I was gonna put So it was
Speaker 1: rumored this week that coming from the rap that Marvel Studios,
Speaker 1: even though it hasn't been official, they are coming back
Speaker 1: to uh San Diego Comic Con in a hall h
Speaker 1: kind of thing, They're coming back. So I've had that
Speaker 1: sit in my factor fiction for a while. I even
Speaker 1: was considering a putting in my predictions, but I neglected.
Speaker 1: I decided not to. But hey, you know, it hasn't
Speaker 1: been officially announced. Stuff I wanted to. I could have
Speaker 1: done it, but I'm not going to put it out
Speaker 1: there when it's already been rumored out there.
Speaker 2: So I'll take it a step further.
Speaker 1: So Marvel Studios will announce at least one new movie
Speaker 1: at SDCC.
Speaker 2: If rumors are be to believed.
Speaker 1: Do you think they're going to put out there something?
Speaker 1: Will there be another film between Doomsday and and Secret Wars?
Speaker 1: Because there is precedent for this when you know we
Speaker 1: had we had you know, miss we had a Captain
Speaker 1: Marvel Yep.
Speaker 3: I am going to say fact on that. Where I'm
Speaker 3: iffy about it and why I'm a little bit hesitant
Speaker 3: on fact is would they release a movie now now
Speaker 3: that we are full on, full steam ahead in the
Speaker 3: Disney Plus area era, Like would they release an actual
Speaker 3: movie or would they just do a Disney Plus special
Speaker 3: presentation instead? But I could see them doing something big
Speaker 3: in an introm to kind of help advance that story.
Speaker 1: Well, let me clarify it, so I want to go
Speaker 1: backtrack a little bit. I'm just saying there's a precedent
Speaker 1: for them putting something out there. I'm not predicting that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that they're going to announce a movie.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're saying a movie between between Doomsday
Speaker 1: and Tugo Wars.
Speaker 2: We've already would have known about that.
Speaker 1: Like, there is nothing filming right now outside of outside
Speaker 1: of reshoots for Doomsday and Secret Wars. Like there is
Speaker 1: not a Black Panther product. There is not a Secret
Speaker 1: like there. We're not going to get more than one
Speaker 1: movie next year for Secret beyond Secret Wars. I I
Speaker 1: don't that that would There's no way in this age
Speaker 1: that we get you know, set photos things like that.
Speaker 1: You know, that would be the biggest coup if somehow
Speaker 1: they had a movie that no one knew was going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that would be just crazy incredible if they
Speaker 3: were able to pull that off. Just announcing a movie. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I could definitely see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so as all backtrack, IY clarified it. Need to
Speaker 1: make that, make that clear that, yeah, there is no
Speaker 1: other movie next year outside of Secret Wars. There's nothing.
Speaker 1: They'll be maybe filming other things for post Secret Wars,
Speaker 1: but I think that they're going to keep it just
Speaker 1: Secret Wars next year, which should be you know, again,
Speaker 1: that's all the need. You know, we had Kevin Davis
Speaker 1: and chat Saint. Marvel Studios doesn't need to show up
Speaker 1: at San Diego Comic Con to prod Avengers. They've got
Speaker 1: D twenty three to promote all their content to the
Speaker 1: public and focus on what you can announce X Men reboot,
Speaker 1: Ryan Reynolds, Coogler, h Black Panther three, first look at
Speaker 1: Avenger Secret Wars. Yeah, I think they're gonna have a balance.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I mean, we said it, We've
Speaker 1: said it before, like Avengers Doomsate. He kind of sells itself.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: We will probably get a proper trailer coming soon with whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, as they get closer and closer, so we're
Speaker 1: gonna get that. But yeah, it is a good point
Speaker 1: to say that they don't have to do everything at SDCC,
Speaker 1: but uh, it is the year to come back and
Speaker 1: necessarily start building up the hype train. I mean, you
Speaker 1: have brand new day coming out after SDCC, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's not the same weekend, I think.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, different weekends. But yeah, I think I returned
Speaker 3: to SCCC. Even if you don't do a huge presentation,
Speaker 3: but start getting that ball rolling on. Getting back to
Speaker 3: that and getting back in touch with that comic book community.
Speaker 3: Not just having your Disney presentation, but being there amongst
Speaker 3: those fans. I think will definitely help build that hype.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, So my next one, we will get some
Speaker 1: sort of official cast announcement for Avengers Secret War this year.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say fact on that it may not be
Speaker 3: a full cast, but I could see them doing something
Speaker 3: along the lines of the chairs just you know, different
Speaker 3: where they do a slow roll. Here's an announcement.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for a full thing. Yes, I'm a fact
Speaker 1: on the at least one movie and.
Speaker 2: Some sort official cast announcement. I just say full cast.
Speaker 1: It's like some sort of official think coming out of
Speaker 1: Marvel of who's coming into Secret Wars, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then last one we will get we will get
Speaker 1: hold on, we will not get an official casting for
Speaker 1: the MCUs X Men this year.
Speaker 3: I'm going to say fact on that I think they
Speaker 3: will wait closer to Secret Wars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hold on, let me let me clarify this. We
Speaker 1: will not get a full official casting because if rumors
Speaker 1: are believe who Sadie sinc is, there's technically that announcement.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying we will not get a full official
Speaker 1: casting for our X Men team this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we may get like one or two names,
Speaker 1: but we're not going to get the full list. So
Speaker 1: I think I could easily see them just saying Sadie
Speaker 1: sinc is Jean Gray, but that's all We're.
Speaker 3: Sadie Sink will return in but that's about it.
Speaker 2: With Frank protecting her with a gun. Watch out, Geene,
Speaker 2: I got your red can't protect them? Oh never mind?
Speaker 1: All right, So I will post those on Sunday afternoons.
Speaker 2: Let your voices be heard with that, and.
Speaker 1: Let us conclude tonight with com Ultron Book six. So
Speaker 1: we left off with h basically got one team going
Speaker 1: into the Way Way future with Wolverine going back in
Speaker 1: time to kill Hank Pim because in his mind you
Speaker 1: kill Hank Pim, you end the idea of Ultron.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's taking a page out of Rody's playbook, and
Speaker 3: you know when he does the whole, you know, we
Speaker 3: just go back in uh.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, but so we opened in the Savage Land.
Speaker 1: He is travel back in time, but he is not alone.
Speaker 1: Invisible woman is with him and they're kind of waiting
Speaker 1: for someone to show up. And who shows up that
Speaker 1: they're kind of waiting on?
Speaker 3: So all right, Nick Fiery shows up. For when Wolverine
Speaker 3: is waiting in the back well, first Sue Storm is there.
Speaker 3: Then they sniff out Nick Fiery shows up and it
Speaker 3: we get a nice young Nick Fury, I mean, in
Speaker 3: his his flying car. Even though this is the past,
Speaker 3: he's still looking futuristic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then we flash forward to where the other
Speaker 1: team is in the Way Ahead future and they're also
Speaker 1: in the Savage Land. But the Savage Land looks just
Speaker 1: as lush as as it was and they were kind
Speaker 1: of surprised by that.
Speaker 2: But then they realized Sue is not.
Speaker 1: There, that she bailed and she was a key component
Speaker 1: of them kind of staying saying hidden and uh so, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're looking ahead, they're they're doing what they need
Speaker 1: to do, but we spend the rest of the time
Speaker 1: with Sue and Wolverine.
Speaker 2: They go to.
Speaker 1: They go to find Hank, you know, basically kind of
Speaker 1: experimenting on, you know.
Speaker 3: On Dragon Man. He has him laid out and he's
Speaker 3: he's going full on, just has him probed up. He's
Speaker 3: taken samples from him, doing measurements things like that, just
Speaker 3: figuring out all the advancements that he can make off
Speaker 3: of Dragon Man. When yuh, Wolverine shows up and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: let me guess you just had your big grand thought
Speaker 3: on how you can f the world. Well, he's like,
Speaker 3: I'm here to stop it. And of course Hank has
Speaker 3: no idea who he is, and he keeps as like
Speaker 3: who are you? And Wolverine's incessant at this point, like
Speaker 3: I'm the man who's gonna take you out before you
Speaker 3: can do anything. He goes, yeah, guy, I have no
Speaker 3: idea who you are and what you're talking about, and
Speaker 3: just going.
Speaker 2: Back, I'm gonna go and in time.
Speaker 1: So we leave off with that, then we go back
Speaker 1: to the future where they they are heroes then come
Speaker 1: upon the the basically ultron An area and then they
Speaker 1: basically get ambushed by all these ultrons.
Speaker 2: I got one point.
Speaker 1: It's all these ultron heads. Hey we're Tony's like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're not doing so bad of a job. And then uh,
Speaker 1: yeah it's famous last words, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh. It's a couple of them at first, and
Speaker 3: Quake and Red Hulger taking them out and they're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is not so bad, and then a whole bunch
Speaker 3: descend on them, like Tony, you just had to.
Speaker 1: Speak, but yeah, Wolverine. We go back to Wolverine fighting Hank.
Speaker 1: He's like, what are you made of? He's slicing him
Speaker 1: last and right. But you see he told suit A
Speaker 1: wait outside. She's in there as well, and she tells
Speaker 1: him we can't do this. He said, Susan's norm what's happening?
Speaker 1: Get him off of me? And Wolverine says, he killed
Speaker 1: your husband, he killed your children. He says, there's a
Speaker 1: line we can't cross, and she and hanksta it's like
Speaker 1: begging her, like we can't.
Speaker 2: You know, you got to stop this.
Speaker 1: And Wolverine goes forget that you will never see your
Speaker 1: children again. This ain't about you or me, it's the
Speaker 1: whole damn thing. For what And it's like all those
Speaker 1: people who I would never do that, and he, you know,
Speaker 1: she basically lets Wolverine snap his neck slice him. I
Speaker 1: can't tell he snappers Necker just slices her. It looks
Speaker 1: like he just slid his throat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like there's some blood splatter that maybe
Speaker 3: he split his throat. They kind of leave it a
Speaker 3: little bit ambiguous, but yeah, he falls to the ground and
Speaker 3: she's like, now what he goes? Now we go home
Speaker 3: and whatever is waiting on us, Hell will know it's
Speaker 3: better than what we've got left.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but in the future we see basically those
Speaker 1: heroes are taken down them Cat and America loses his
Speaker 1: head literally. Yeah, so their mission was a complete failure.
Speaker 1: Wolverine ensues mission looks like, you know, a possible win,
Speaker 1: but we'll see next next week.
Speaker 2: What what happened? Did they? Were they successful?
Speaker 1: And uh, looking do that preview page of the next issue, Well,
Speaker 1: did they win?
Speaker 2: Did they? You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah? They you know, looking at the next issue, which
Speaker 3: is titled Present unaccounted for that, there's definitely some some
Speaker 3: changes to this lineup.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so but yeah, we will see you next for
Speaker 1: next issue seven. So all right, two ninety four in
Speaker 1: the books. We got again the penultimate episode next week
Speaker 1: for Dared Devil Born Again and yeah, always always great content. David,
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Speaker 3: looking forward to getting together with the fellas and just
Speaker 3: you know, having a nice little playthrough continue our run
Speaker 3: on who is the most Dominant GM and where we're
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Speaker 1: stand the man would say, excelsior, true believers. All right, David,
Speaker 1: what do you got for post credits discussion?
Speaker 3: All right? So I'm stealing something from our friends on
Speaker 3: the Geek First podcast when they talked about their Mount
Speaker 3: rushmorees of villains. So my question is, who is your
Speaker 3: Mount Rushmore of Marvel villains? It can either be just
Speaker 3: MCU or Marvel as a whole.
Speaker 2: Like for a mother No sorry, good note self secret invasion? No?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, in order to stop repeating ourselves, how about
Speaker 1: you take too?
Speaker 3: I take to that work that that I will, I
Speaker 3: will take too. But I also have one extra depending
Speaker 3: on on, you know, how we do this thing.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go Marvel as a whole because Marvel
Speaker 1: has a problem with also killing villains that you know
Speaker 1: should so I'm gonna go with you know, yes, it
Speaker 1: hasn't been seen in the m c U yet, the Destruction,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go with Doctor Doom as just you know,
Speaker 1: all in Marvel One, one of Marvel's greatest villain creation.
Speaker 1: The the amount of not only it's not he's not
Speaker 1: a fantastic for this villain at that point, the amount
Speaker 1: of effects that he's had on Marvel as a whole
Speaker 1: across the board. He is definitely one of the most
Speaker 1: powerful villains out there and has had some pretty big ramification.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say Doctor.
Speaker 3: Doom that that is is definitely a great one. I
Speaker 3: am going to go with one that applies to both
Speaker 3: comics and the MCU, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to go with the Kingpin, all right.
Speaker 3: I In the in the comics, he he is such
Speaker 3: especially on the Marvel Knight's run of Daredevil, like his
Speaker 3: back and forth with Daredevil was just menacing, like growing up,
Speaker 3: the interactions he's had with Spider Man and other people
Speaker 3: just like he he is. He is that threat that
Speaker 3: you think could be like a real threat. He is
Speaker 3: the most grounded villain, but he he's brilliant, He's ruthless,
Speaker 3: like he just makes your life a living hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will go with Danos. You know, for both
Speaker 1: both MCU and comics at that point, beyond the Infinity Gauntlet,
Speaker 1: he's always seemed to pop up here and here out
Speaker 1: and affecting and altering. I mean he was part of
Speaker 1: two major cosmic sagas in the original Cosmic Saga with
Speaker 1: the Infinity Gauntlet and then the Annihilation and more Annihilation,
Speaker 1: War of the Kings and Requiem. At that point, it's
Speaker 1: he's had a huge effect at that point, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the major reasons for creating Cosmic ghost Writer too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am going to go with somebody who you know,
Speaker 3: I he does have his reasons at times, but he
Speaker 3: is he is still a villain, and that is Magneto.
Speaker 3: I mean, this man switched the the magnetic poles and
Speaker 3: kill everybody, so it He's done other things like ripping
Speaker 3: the adamantium off of the bones of Wolverine, like he
Speaker 3: is that guy. Like yes, so so Magneto is there. Brent.
Speaker 3: When I told him about this, he wanted me to
Speaker 3: give an honorable uh spot to somebody that he thinks
Speaker 3: that you would feel is the greatest villain in any
Speaker 3: form of marvel, whether it keeps, whether it be movies,
Speaker 3: TV or video games. And that is Screwball.
Speaker 2: Forever.
Speaker 3: The troll, Brent is no.
Speaker 1: See he shouldn't he just he should have just done
Speaker 1: at that point he really wanted to troll. He could
Speaker 1: have said like Joe Asada for uh, you know what
Speaker 1: what he did with the Spider Man's marriage, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: one more day, come on. So so but yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a good topic. So but yeah, we will see
Speaker 1: you all next week for the penultimate episode of Daredevil
Speaker 1: Born Again. Uh you all have a great weekend, great
Speaker 1: upcoming week, and we will see you next time.
Speaker 3: Bye.