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of this show, its host, or any of the companies
they represent. Now today on the show, we welcome back
Matt Cohn. Now, Matt and I are going to have
a deep conversation in which we had at Next Level
Soul Studios about soulmates and twin flames, how to find
your soulmate, how to recognize it, what to do internally
to do so, and to have them attract to you.
But also we have an exclusive where Matt reveals that
he is now channeling and has always been channeling, but
has not publicly come out and said it before. And
in today's episode we talk about that in depth. So
let's dive in. I like to welcome back to the
show returning champion, Matt conn.
Speaker 2: How you doing, brother, Thank you, It's an honor to
be here. What an incredible setup you have.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, my friend. I appreciate that it's
been a long time coming. Man, long time coming.
Speaker 2: And I just wanted to start out by saying, because
you know, I've known you for a little bit, and
I just wanted to congratulate you on this incredible success.
And whenever I get to tune in and watch you
and and all these wonderful guests, it's such a beautiful
level of connection, and I just I love everything you're doing,
and so the chance to come back and spend time
with you is truely an honor.
Speaker 1: Oh, I truly appreciate that and thank you so much. Well,
I mean, you are a OG, sir, You are a
OG of next level soul. You are episode sixteen. I
think you. I think the first time we interviewed, I
was in my film set of my old podcast because
I hadn't even built a set for this show yet.
And then our second interview we did, I was in
my Airbnb in it almost looked like a closet, and
I'm wondering what you're thinking at this boy. You're like
this guy like he's in a closet. I don't understand
what's going on.
Speaker 2: I don't know these things. I thought it was such
We had some great, greank conversations, and I think, great
guy but honestly, I didn't have any thoughts about those interviews.
That's when I sat stepped into this set and I went, oh.
Speaker 1: No, it's funny. When you walked in, you were like
you saw my office where like the computers are, like,
so are we doing it in here? Are we being
interviewed in here? Like is there a mic anywhere?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Are we I'm like, no, no, dude, we we got
a little something on the.
Speaker 2: Other side of this is this is next level all
this is next level certain time.
Speaker 1: Well, and congratulations to you. You just you're a newly.
Speaker 2: Wet if I'm not mistaken, correct, Yeah, I'm the lord
of the ring. I married h you know, Joey and
I got married on Saint Patrick's Day, which was a
year to the date of the day we met.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: And we met at a conference, as you know, we're
both speaking on stage. We never met each other, and
we met by the end of the weekend. We both
had promised each other in our next relationship when if
that is, we're going to take it slower than ever.
We promised each other silently. I promised myself this, and
so I met her and then by the end of
the weekend, I was in a committed relationship, which was
the opposite of that declaration.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, a year later to get married pretty
pretty quick, my friend, pretty quick. But you know, as
you get older, though, you know, when you know man
and and you guys are both connected a little bit
to the to the to the sour city. Yeah, so
you guys kind of felt that energy and you're like,
why are we wasting time? You know what?
Speaker 2: Actually it's funny, and she tells this story so well.
But when we met, we turned around. We met. Within
a few minutes of talking, literally our energy fields connected
and it was literally like the universe saying, by the way,
you two are together, so you figure it out, You're welcome. Yeah,
process a journal about it whenever you got to do
pull cards. But you're together.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this though. Have you guys
been together in other lifetimes?
Speaker 2: Is the question I think we have. She has more
of a sense of that. I have a familiarity with her.
There's a felt sense of it. But I went through
an experience, and I think this is maybe I went
through an experience a couple of years ago, because you know,
we've had different interactions over the years, and what's interesting
is I go through so much growth and expansion as
we all do, that every time I meet you, I
feel like I'm meaning you, like as a new version
of myself. Literally I meet myself brand new every single day.
But I went through this experience many years ago of
awakenings where you know, you remember your past lives and oh,
I think I was this character and I remember this memory.
And then I went through an experience a couple of
years ago where it was and I think of levels
of consciousness like floors in a building. So at one floor,
I remember my past lives, some of them at least,
and I process that, and I've been here before, and
I know there is no death. Li'vee continues all these realizations,
and then I had this experience of going to the
next floor, and I suddenly realized that even the experience
of my past lives was just a different dream. And
I've now have this lived experience where the past lives
I did remember, the wisdom has been integrated, the wounding
has been healed, and I actually live as this as
if this lifetime is my first and only lifetime, which
then gave me an actual, real experience of what it
means to be reborn, not like in a religious sense,
but what that really means spiritually to be reborn and
to literally be in this lifetime as if it's your
first and only lifetime. And so when I met Joy,
I had I'm in this place where all the all
the sense of past or even past lifetimes is gone.
But there was a familiarity I felt with her for sure.
This there was this uh, I know you, where have
you been? Where have you been?
Speaker 1: Where have you been? This I felt it with my wife.
Speaker 2: Is right, Yeah, I've been. I've been looking since I
was fourteen years old. And you know, every person you know,
are you?
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you the one?
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, we went through We went through a lot
of frogs, as they say. Yeah. So it's interesting though,
when you do meet people like that, and it doesn't
have to be romantic, other people like that that. Just
people are like, oh where have you been?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: There's this an automatic connection, an automatic and energy. And
there are people that when you meet them, you're like, oh,
get away from me, get away from me. I don't
know what we what we did in an our life,
Just go away. There's one person I won't mention their name.
But I just when I met them, their energy was
so heavy. Like other people around me had no problem
with her, yeah, but she was. I was like, I can't,
I can't, I can't. She did nothing to me, nothing, no, no,
no mean word has ever been spoken to me. Not
an action has been done to me. Nothing, But there
was something about the energy. I was just like, I
got to no, no, do not want to hang out
with her anymore.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: So it goes both ways. It goes both ways. So
let me ask you, since we were talking about your
your new found love, your long lost love, a lot
of people watching are trying to find their divine connection,
connect their their other half in this life. What advice
do you have for people who are like we were searching.
I mean, I was dirty and I found mine and
that's it was a good, good amount of time. Sure,
and you just recently found yours. Yeah, forty seven exactly.
So it's different for everybody. Some people are lucky to
find them in high school. Some people find them at
eighty right, you know, which is upsetting.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's the tunnel.
Speaker 1: It's as you're going through the tunnel. Wow, come on.
Speaker 2: I'll see in the next one.
Speaker 1: So what advice do you have for people who are
just in just looking and looking and looking. I could
tell you one thing, though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I have very specific advice.
Speaker 1: What would you say, Well, the thing I did is
like I stopped looking. Yea, I stopped looking. I'll tell
you exactly how it happened. I'd been single for three years,
broke up with a bad relationship, and I was I
did a walk about in Mexico. I went down there,
went to the pyramids, and I did by myself. Yeah,
early years ago, went down by myself and went to
all the things. I just had like a walk about,
a spiritual walk about, even though I didn't know what
a spiritual walk about, but kind of a spiritual walk about.
And on the plane back, I just said to God,
you know, God, it'd be kind of nice if I
can find someone who I could love and could love
me back. That was the order I placed. Three weeks later,
she showed up. Three weeks later, she showed up, and
we've been together ever since. I love that. So we'll
be right back after a word from our sponsor, and
now back to the show. I stopped looking. That was
my because I was always like, hello, you are you, it,
are you? It? Are you? It? And that energy I
don't think, at least for me, it didn't work for
trying to find that other person the moment I said
I'm good on my own. It'd be nice if I
could find that other half now, not like I need
you to live more like you compliment the way and
walking this, I need someone to walk with me next
to me as a journey. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: It does? I think that part of the confusion. And
I have a couple of very specific piece of advice
on this that I think are maybe not expected, but
this it will be the truth of what I've lived out.
I think that people think that either looking for your
beloved is going to be what causes you to find them,
And usually when you're looking for your beloved, you're trying
to cast someone into the role they're not meant to play, right,
So then you treat someone who isn't your beloved as
your beloved, and you know, we can see all the
sitcoms that are created out of that. So I think
there's an idea that looking for my beloved is going
to help me stack the deck. But then the other
spiritual superstition is looking is what's blocking me. What I
would say is that neither looking is blocking or helping you.
It's just what you do to pass the time until
the moment arrives. So you had an intuition that said
I'm going to meet my wife soon, and so you
process that intuition by declaring I'd like to meet that one,
and then three weeks later she entered your life. So
for me, I look at that, and it's very similar
with law of attraction. There are some people who think
they're creating at a thin air, and actually what they're
doing is they're intuiting that it's near, and then their
declaration that I'm going to create it or that it's
here is actually the acceptance of I accept this as
coming near, and I'm willing to choose that timeline. So
I had been looking for my beloved since I was,
you know, like fourteen years old, and I had heard
so many times from people, oh, don't look for the one,
so I would not look for the one as a
way of trying to stack the deck to bring the
one to me. So one eyes closed, not looking for
the one, one eye open, making sure I don't miss her,
So still looking by not looking and I'd been in
relationships and they were all wonderful and preparing me for
the kind of relationship I wasn't meant to be in.
And I got to a place in my life where
I thought, you know, if it's not going to be
the kind of relationship that I've always thought I was
meant to have. I'm okay alone. I'm successful, I'm good alone,
I cook incredibly, I live a very beautiful life. I
serve the world, and that's my one of my greatest passions.
So I had let my work and my service to
the humanity be my beloved until or if it was
meant to happen. And when it was getting closer to
well as I was, I was kind of out of
my last really relationship before Joy and I met, what
I decided to do. So there's two things that happen.
One is I decided, based on an intuition that I'm
going to live like a single married man a single husband.
So I'm married to my wife. She hasn't materialized in
my reality yet, but I'm not going to even go
on a date with a woman unless I have a
sense that she could actually be the one, or else
I'm going to treat a woman in a way that
isn't the role she's meant to play. And I felt
like like I would be cheating on my wife. And
at first I was like, that's either super romantic or
I'm doubling down on my weird, insane stuff. But it
felt really true of I don't want to call play
a relationship. I don't want to role play this. I
want to actually either be in the relationship I'm meant
to be in or not at all. So I would
meet people and there'd be interest, and I would know
this would be an exploration, but this is not the
one for me, and so I wouldn't even engage in
a first date because I would only go on a
first date with someone I actually thought could be my wife.
So it was like a courtship.
Speaker 1: How and what age did you come up with this?
Speaker 2: I mean this was a couple. This was maybe five
or so years ago, so yeah, yeah, yeah, I was
really serious, and that for me gave me a sense
of closure. And another thing is when when it got
close to meeting Joy and I didn't know this. I
was taken through an experience with my guides and they
kind of explained to me something really interesting. And they
had said, you know, everyone thinks birth is followed by death,
and that's why everyone's afraid of death. It's the unknown.
But actually death comes before birth, right there's the death
of being in the womb as one is born. There's
the death of the death of being the seed before
you blossom the flower. So death actually occurs.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Joy would say entropy, that's a beautiful word. She uses
a lot that I've learned from her, but she would
say that, you know, it's a true thing that death
occurs in order for birth to dawn. And so my
guides had said to me, you're going to meet your beloved,
but there's going to be a time where those who
come together are separated, whether by death. And my guide
said to me, Melchisedek said, even if you hold hands
and walk into the gates of heaven together, there's going
to be a moment somewhere where you go your separate ways.
And so I was walked through a process of processing
the death of my wife as a way of opening
up to being able to receive her in a way
where I wouldn't give my power away to the relationship.
And we're having this relationship wouldn't then make me afraid
of losing something, or that I'd be a people pleaser,
or that I'd figure out what can I do to
keep her all the things that we do when our
ego gets involved. And so I was taken through this
really incredible experience of in order to be the version
of myself that she's welcoming into her reality, and in
order to welcome in the version of her that I'm
welcoming in, I have to allow that she and I
that haven't even come to be, to perish. And I
processed the death of her, and for me it was
the death of not only us, but I had been
looking for my wife for so many years. I also processed,
this may not be what's meant to be for me.
So I processed the death of the fantasy of my
wife that in order for me to meet her in reality,
I have to let the fantasy die. I have to
stop keeping myself company with visions of me and my wife,
and I had to let the fantasy die. And so
I went through this very deep experience of letting the
fantasy and whatever will be in reality to die and
to go through that, and on the other end of that,
I became a very different version of myself, who at
that point was so whole and was so embodied. And
I remember I went to this speaking event in Arizona.
I was going to be a keynote speaker, and I
had to go to the breakfast thing, you know, and
meet all the other speakers whatever, which and I remember
I was in such a funny place when I went
into that breakfast. I was just like in my mind, like,
I hope no one bats their eyes at me. I
am so not in this place, and you know, I'm
done and I'm complete, and you know, all the big declarations.
And I walked in and she and I wound up meeting.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: She turned around and I and we met, and within
a few minutes our energy fields just clicked and we
sat down at the same table. We were both joking
that this you know, pre speaker thing felt like traffic
school and what is this? And by the end of
that breakfast, we found ourselves just in this you know, Wow,
this connection is instantaneous on every level, not just like
the spiritual connection like I think we're supposed to be together,
but you know, the attraction and everything. And then she
was speaking that weekend, I was speaking that weekend, and
that weekend we spent getting to know each other, and
by the end of the weekend we were in a
committed relationship because we had both said that we both
didn't want to explore it unless this was fully committed
journey together and if I felt that this actually could
be my wife.
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Speaker 2: I don't casually date, I don't do any of that stuff.
I want to get to know her and I want
to focus on that, and I want to see what
this is. And she was of the same mindset, and
so we got into a relationship. We traveled back and
forth from Arizona to Seattle a few times. She moved
in months later, and on the year anniversary of the
day we met, we were married. And it's been the
greatest relationship that I've ever known. But and I'm sure
she'd probably say the same hope, you know, I'm sure
she was saying exception, Alex. I'm sure she would say
the same thing, Alex, Wait, wait, let me muscle testing. Yepy,
she would she would say that. But I hope, so,
I hope so if not, this is a really bad
success at a sequel. If not, this is gonna be
next level soul when spirituality needs six needs delusion.
Speaker 1: Absolutely right.
Speaker 2: So, but it is the best relationship I've ever been in,
and it's because of the journey that I went through
to become the version of myself that we were both
meant to be together. She had a similar experience of
I'm only going to take seriously a man I think
is my husband. So we were both living as single
married people. And the reason I think that's incredible advice
is thank you is because when you like, if you're
a single person and you're just dating, well, let me
then back up and say this, there's a way that
the soul connects, and there's a way that ego engages.
So it's it's it's very telling. So when the when
the soul connects, the soul says, I don't lean in
unless it's a yes on every level. The ego says,
I lean in as if it's a yes and hope
for the best when I'm not sure. So what the
ego doesn't know is the phrase I don't know. If
you hear it, you hear no, you don't hear I
don't yes, so the ego says, well, but we don't
want to just judge the person. We don't want to who.
Speaker 1: Knows, sure she works in the mafia. Who knows? I
mean she's I could change her right.
Speaker 2: Sure, they're sure they're holding a butcher knife.
Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, over your neck while you sleep, Yeah,
I mean it's I'm sure it's.
Speaker 2: Everyone has a tick. Everyone, Everyone has the thing they do.
Speaker 1: You know what, that's how they stay safe. And that's
another thing though that you know, we're joking about it.
But the rationalization of the other person. And man, I
don't know if you went through that, but you start rationalizing,
you like the fear comes in, like I'm afraid of
being alone. It's just a butcher knife. I'm sure that you,
you know, to the money out of my account for
a good reason, whatever that is. And it could be
here or her, everybody please on both sides. But that
rationalization is powerful and gets people into a lot of trouble.
Got me into trouble. I think it probably got you
into trouble. Early on, we all rationalized because we were
their fear of being alone, fear of being rejected, fear
of every all the fears start coming in and in
your ego it's like, well, this is't that course, you know,
and all this kind of stuff is something that we
really need to keep an eye on when you're walking in.
Like when I walked in to my relationship with my wife,
it was it was soul level. There's no question. Before
I even understood what that was, we just knew it.
We both knew it. She couldn't wrap her head around me.
I was We're so opposite, so she couldn't wrap her
head around me. Because one moment, I am like Robin
Williams bouncing off the walls our first date. I just
and she's like, what is happening? I like him? But Jesus.
The next one, I'm sitting in a bookstore with her
talking deep things and she's like, who is this guy?
Couldn't grasp it. But I walked into it just I
just knew. And that's I think when you know, when
you have that inclination. I just didn't care anymore. I'm like,
I'm going to be me, right, you know, I'm going
to be me and it's gonna be what it's going
to be.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's how Joy and I were, you know,
I man, know, we were we we just were ourselves
and we're both very transparent people, so there wasn't you
know it was. It was more a conversation of I
really like you, how do you feel about me? And
it was so refreshing, right, because that's how that's how
we both thought. We're both very honest people.
Speaker 1: And you didn't wait two days to call her back.
That's a room, man, that's a dude rule. Two days
if you want to really make her wait five days
because that's smart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with a fifty divorce rate.
Speaker 1: Right. So that those are the rules, the guys, those
are the rules. Are the rules if you want a fiorce. Right,
we're not even getting off the not even getting out
of the gate.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about my rules, which are made up.
But if I if I like when Joanna went on
a date and we parted, I texted her yeah two
minutes later to say, I had a great time. Please
let me know when you get home. I'd love to
see you again. Right immediately, old school immediately school love immediately.
Like if someone here's here's a dating rule. If they
can't handle your inner sixth grader, let your inner sixth
resent of text I like you. That was I had
a great time.
Speaker 1: Do I have to hit you with a magazine to
get your attention right?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 1: To make me act weird?
Speaker 2: And we can act weird, but so you know, so
we both lived as single married people. We both and
so that's the thing. The ego says, if I'm not sure,
I'm going to keep saying yes and create a relationship
with someone that I haven't really gotten a solid yes around.
I'm afraid of missing out. I'm afraid of being alone,
and so we cast people in the wrong roles and
that's when you get down into a relationship and one
day you wake up and you go, I just can't
do it, or you know, all these different things and
you wind up hurting people. And so for me, I
just didn't want to follow that energy again. The soul says,
until I get a yes, I don't lean out of friendship.
Like if someone goes, oh, I'm feeling this connection with you,
well I'm not sure what I'm feeling or so far
it's just a friendship. That's the soul and its confidence.
The ego says, well, I'm looking for a partner, a
sign that this is clearly got.
Speaker 1: The sign, there's a sign or spirit told me or
this kind of thing. But it's using the ego, it's
using terminology to make you because you don't feel that.
Speaker 2: You're thinking that, yeah, self fulfilling prophecy.
Speaker 1: It's thinking, you're not feeling it. And there is a
there's a distinguation, distinguation. I can say the word distinguished
between those two things. Thank you that the mental and
the feeling. And boy, I lived up here most of
my time.
Speaker 2: Well, and you know when you go from you know
when when when people go from identifying with critical thinking
as their motive motive function most of their life, and
then you take in spiritual concepts and it goes from
critical thinking to spiritually critical thinking. Then the critical thinking
mind is the one that thinks it's observing all the signs,
but it's actually piecing together a self fulfilling prophecy.
Speaker 1: That's a scary thing. That's a scary spiritual what was it? Spiritual?
Speaker 2: The spiritual critical thinking?
Speaker 1: Thank you, spiritual critical thinking.
Speaker 2: It's called it's also called magical thinking.
Speaker 1: Magical thinking.
Speaker 2: And what's interesting, And you know, Joy and I both
are intuitive. We both channel you.
Speaker 1: Guys, and you guys have the you could easily fall
into that world so quickly we we could.
Speaker 2: But what's interesting is that it is so easy for
and again, the ego doesn't do it to hurt anyone.
The ego is trying to be a helper. So it goes,
you're so into spirituality, and you've convinced me that you're
on some sort of mysterious Easter egg hunt. So I'm
going to help you find the eggs, even though I'm
going to invent them. And it's then we train our
egos to be these searchers and seekers of spiritual signs.
It's different when it's a sign. Like when it's a sign,
it's so obvious you don't even know what to do
with yourself. It's so just like like your mind goes blank.
There are signs in the universe. But then there are
the signs that we are kind of piecing together, Like
you know, oh, I turn on the car radio and
there's a song on the radio.
Speaker 1: Well, obviously, I mean obviously.
Speaker 2: And if it's Mariah Carey, w.
Speaker 1: Is Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Celein beyond.
Speaker 2: Right and well Brian Adams, but Brian Adams back in
the day, Brian Adams everything I do, I do for you.
He is an archangel, sir, Yes, so, and I had
been someone early in my career where I had gotten
I had understood signs, and I started to know the
difference between the universe bringing me a sign and then
looking for signs as a way of trying to keep myself.
So I so even in spirituality, we can use fantasy
you keep ourselves company as we process the loneliness of
our own separation from Source. Right, and so I had
gotten so whole in myself even after years and years
of awakening.
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Speaker 2: And when Joy and I met, I always say, you know,
we met, obviously we fell in love, But when we
fell in love, we didn't just fall in love with
each other physically and emotionally mentally, We fell in love
with each other's connection and devotion to Source. When we met,
we showed each other our devotion to God. And that's
when two people attracted to one another became husband and
wife in the first ten minutes of meeting. And that's
now our life absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 1: I hope that helps a couple people out there, because
I wish I would have heard this conversation in my
twenties or thirties, right, you know, yeah, honestly, well, it's
it's power. It's powerful stuff, and so many people are looking.
I'd love that. I'd love the idea that this this
spiritual critical thinking, yes, and that the egos use the
spiritual concepts. And you're like, well, you know, I did
everything I was supposed to do. I burned the sage.
You know, I'm wearing the right crystals. I don't really
understand why, you know, you know, the psychic at the
carnival said, I can do like I'm supposed to have
he's coming or she's coming, and I'm supposed to have
three kids with them, like that kind of stuff. But
when you meet the real one, I think you and
I are both lucky enough to have met that person.
It is so different. It feels so different then everything
else you've experienced prior to that. And even if you
can't articulate what it is like when I first saw her,
because we were hooked up. My mom hooked us up.
My mom set us up, which is a miracle in itself.
She was trying to get me married off. And when
we when I saw her coming out of her house.
I there was just just I've seen her. I saw
pictures of her. We spoke on the phone just before FaceTime,
and I just I just like, oh, well, there you are.
And as the conversations kept going, I was like, oh, okay,
don't get me wrong. I was still terrified. I was
still terrified. I was terrified, but not that much, not
enough to screw things up. But in the back of
my head like, don't get hurt. Oh my god, this
and that. But that's natural, especially when you're younger. But
when I saw her, I just like, oh, there you are.
And as we started talking more and more, you know,
we went on our first date the next day. We
went on our a date a few days may, a
third day. It was just like boom, boom boom. And
within a few months you moved in and we were
off and running. It was it was. It was scary,
but I just like, oh, it's okay, it's good. It's
just the way it's supposed to be. And I was
not next level souling. I was was not I you know,
I think I might have started reading Autobiography of a
Yoga at that point. I had not gotten through it
yet because it was too woo woo for me at
that time. So it was not like I had all
this stuff in me. I just knew sure. And that's
something you can't articulate with the ego.
Speaker 2: You just can't no, you can't well. And so I
think the advice, you know, is, if there's any part
of you that's when you're meeting someone that says I
don't know, that means do not move past a friendship
or an acquaintance ship until it's a yes. So we
don't lean into a yes until it's a yes. I
don't know means right now I don't know means no,
and it could change, of course, but I I don't
know is the same as a no. That's the best device.
The other thing that I think is interesting is that
people get caught up in their critical thinking mind right,
which what the way I would describe the ego is
a tendency to lean on critical thinking as your mind's
mode of operation, right and spiritual wal it's very common
to say, oh, the mind's the problem. The mind's not
the problem. The mind is a genius creation. Right. If
you have a high performance vehicle, but you only know
how to drive it in certain modes, you're not going
to get the most out of it. So in the
same way, the mind is incredible, but when you're only
using critical thinking, you're using a very small band with
right and so I think, instead of trying to go,
how do I know this is the one? The one
can't be denied? Yes, So if you're not sure, I
break it up with them, I say jokingly. At the
same time, what Joy and I have. Neither of us
could deny. We even both walked away going Okay, this
is this is really, this is much. This is much.
We're in Sedona. It's probably the vortex whatever. Maybe it's
the salary juice I promise myself i'd never buy. Maybe
it's a combination of things. And we both tried to
rationalize our way out of this. But the one can't
be denied.
Speaker 1: That's such a beautiful in your Absolutely yes, I should
be a T shirt. The one cannot be denied. Absolutely true,
because when you're when you do meet them, it's just
it's just there's this poll, there's magnetic thing, but you
have and you're just like, oh, you're my person, that's right,
Oh you're you're my person.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Period, you're my person. Got it, that's right, got it. Now,
it's not gonna be smooth sail in the entire Now,
we're human beings. We all have our baggage, we all
have our stuff. Sure, but when you're with them, it
just it's like this, It runs like this a little
bit as opposed to Rocky, at least from my experience.
I've been on both.
Speaker 2: Versions absolutely well. And I think, you know, the ego
will say, who do I desire? Right, That's that's the framework,
who do I desire? But I think the deeper question
is who do I desire growing with? Yeah, Joy and
I desire growing with each other. You and your wife
desire growing with each other. So what Joy and I
go through in our lives. I mean, I have never
won children, I have never had children. She has two
grown children. I'm now a stepfather, I'm a step grandfather.
I'm the dad to a puppy, a cat, and a dog.
And I went from being this guy who was like,
you know, I don't think.
Speaker 1: Being wolf wolf wolf baby.
Speaker 2: You're right, I'm gonna dedicate my self to my service
to the world, my you know, help other people with
their lives in that way. And I had this list
of here's what I won't do. She destroyed that because
the one can't be denied. And now I'm stepfather. I
love the role I'm playing. The children I have you know,
they're grown, they're adults, but we have a great relationship.
And I'm I'm finding myself growing in a level of
embodiment that is such an interesting integration of my entire
journey of awakenings and and you know, of waking up
and growing up and all these course corrective experiences. And
on paper, I would have said nope, nope, nope, no,
but the one can't be denied.
Speaker 1: Listen, so I promise you. If my list was on
the on the table and my wife was looking at
it before meeting me, she's like, oh, absolutely, he has
a life size Yoda. What's a Yoda?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's data?
Speaker 1: Which is a true story, by the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: She called her Jodah for a while, Yodah Yodah because
she had noice like old lady sitting in the corner,
I swear to got And she was talking to a
friend of hers and her friends like you will refer
to him as Master Yoda, and she's.
Speaker 2: Like you too.
Speaker 1: You two to you all together, you geek say oh yeah,
oh yeah, this long story so on paper, didn't I
didn't definitely make sense in her world. There's no question
film filmmaker doesn't have a steady job, goes from job
to job, money comes in and out.
Speaker 2: Wanting no, no way, no way.
Speaker 1: But the one right cannot be doing.
Speaker 2: So if people are going on dates and trying to
piece meal relationships together and trying to make it work.
And then the other thing is if you're too busy
being in relationship with people's potential and not being aware
of the reality. And here's here's what I did in
my past. I'll be honest about this, which is a
funny phrase, be honest as if I've been lying the
whole time.
Speaker 1: Exactly right.
Speaker 2: But so I'm now going to find with the hounumoy
if we get to talk for a sea. But you know,
I would be in relationship with the potential of someone.
And what I didn't realize my personal life, because somebody's
in your personal life. The things you learn are different
than what you're teaching on stage. Took me a second,
and what I realized was not only am I in
relationship with the potential that this person is not ready
to step into being what potential I am actually seeing
them is the reflection of my potential.
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Speaker 2: I'm actually confusing my light for their reality, and then
I get into a relationship with them, and then all
of a sudden, the person I thought I knew changes over.
And it's when life says, actually, we're just introducing you
to the person you confused with the light you see
in their presence. And so it's amazing is that when
we let I don't know, be a no and only
yes as yes, it's easier to feel the oh yeah,
or this is the person I meant to be with.
And I had got into a place where I was
not sure I was actually ever going to be in
a relationship. So even though joy and I have met
and we're both each others one, she stepped into the
one who was going to be the best version of
her in a relationship it was meant to be. I
stepped into the one I was meant to be whether
the marriage was going to happen or I was going
to even meet her. The real one that both of
us met were within ourselves. So I stepped into being
the soulmate. Whether or not my beloved counterpart was meant
to show open this lifetime. She did the same thing
that brought us together, but we were also very detached
and settled on whether I meet that person or not.
Stepping into my fullest potential was might just be exactly
the love that this lifetime has for me. And I
got into a full acceptance of that and very clear,
and now our relationship is that we get to receive
the love of the other person from these full versions
of ourselves. So I think that you know, when we're
looking for our beloved, it's one thing to kind of
be less than or insufficient and lonely and then expect
another person's going to change how you feel. But if
we take the real spiritual journey, the alchemy journey of
becoming our highest self and form, that doesn't necessarily mean
the next day you're going to meet that person, right.
It means whether you're meant to meet the person or not,
the oneness of love that you want to be in
union with will be within you either way.
Speaker 1: Couldn't have put it better myself, sir. Where can people
find out more about you? And the amazing work you're
doing in the world.
Speaker 2: Well, well, thank you. By the way, my website's matt
con dot org m A T t k a h
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And you know, you can check out out the upcoming
events that I'm doing, my wife and I are doing
together and and really, you know, this is just it's
time for the world to reac and act as one.
And whether we're spiritual beings not spiritual beings, however we
identify ourselves to be, we're all included. We all have
a vital role in this ascension and we literally need
the light and the power of every individual to help
this world evolve.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 2: It's incredible when you know, the spiritual community used to
be these like little fringe groups, but the most intentional
spiritual community is Earth because we're all spirit and so
it's a beautiful thing to start, even just watching the
beginning stages of this intentional community remember itself.
Speaker 1: And if I can end on this or can we
make hashtag sniff chef sniff chef.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I'm one of those sniffer chefs. That's how
I feel when I say channel, I'm one of those channels.
I'm one of those channels. Sniff channels, sniff channel, hashtag
sniff channel. It's a thing.
Speaker 1: Let's make it a thing, everybody.
Speaker 2: It's a thing.
Speaker 1: Now, Brother, you're like a brother from another mother. I
appreciate you so much for coming man, I appreciate you
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