Speaker 1: Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
Speaker 1: covering Foundation season three, episode one, a song for the
Speaker 1: end of Everything.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Spacey Now, I'm BB, and the ice cream
Speaker 2: Man is here with them too. Right when we start recording.
Speaker 3: Let's pause, get ice cream?
Speaker 2: You want to start again?
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Speaker 2: Okay, Welcome to Spacey Now.
Speaker 3: I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Speaker 3: Apple TV sci fi series Foundation, one episode at a time,
Speaker 3: and the plan is to cover season three as it releases.
Speaker 3: So I think the episode has come out on Thursday evenings,
Speaker 3: and our episodes will hopefully be in your feeds Tuesday mornings.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 3: You know, this first episode is a little bit late,
Speaker 3: but we'll get it together.
Speaker 2: We're going to be on schedule later.
Speaker 3: And you may be listening to this on our Foundation podcast,
Speaker 3: but I do invite you to check out our main channel,
Speaker 3: spacing Alphoebe and Jason. We've covered a lot of different
Speaker 3: stuff over there. But in this episode, a mysterious new
Speaker 3: pirate with terrifying abilities known as the Mule, catches the
Speaker 3: attention of the Foundation and Empire.
Speaker 1: Vibe check. Did we like the episode overall?
Speaker 3: All right? It's a new season send some things up.
Speaker 3: How do we feel about it? Oh?
Speaker 2: Anxious?
Speaker 4: I'm just like, oh no, there's a bad guy now,
Speaker 4: a real bad guy. Before it was just like Empire
Speaker 4: arrogant bastard with big ego.
Speaker 2: We can deal with that, I can. We got one
Speaker 2: of those at home. But this guy, Oh no, he's awful.
Speaker 2: He's scary.
Speaker 5: Oh I'm really I'm really excited to kind of see
Speaker 5: my teeth into like a good versus evil and kind
Speaker 5: of having like different factions of like Foundation and Empire
Speaker 5: working together potentially to kind of combat this new evil.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it does kind of feel like that this
Speaker 3: is bigger than anything else that's soon to be happening,
Speaker 3: and so I mean we'll dig into that in the moment.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I feel like there's a lot
Speaker 3: of scene setting. You know, we've jumped forward in time,
Speaker 3: so there's new characters kind of laying out what the
Speaker 3: new dynamics are of all the politics and stuff. So
Speaker 3: that was kind of to be expected, and I feel
Speaker 3: like the episode did it fairly well.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wasn't like, oh my god, who's this? Oh
Speaker 2: my god, why do I care? Oh my god?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think they're I mean credit to season two,
Speaker 3: because when season two started, it was like we were
Speaker 3: being introduced to so many people and we just didn't
Speaker 3: really know what was going on. And a few episodes
Speaker 3: in it started to really gel. But I feel like
Speaker 3: they really threaded in and you know, stuff with the
Speaker 3: Mule and stuff last season, so like we kind of
Speaker 3: have some of our footing already going into this. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I think as a decent opener.
Speaker 1: Trivia time, what facts for news could we uncover? For
Speaker 1: a song for the end of everything?
Speaker 3: So this was foundation season three, episode one, a song
Speaker 3: for the end of Everything. I mean there's a character
Speaker 3: named Song. This originally aired on I guess it doesn't
Speaker 3: air it streams. For three streamed on July eleventh, twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five. Written by David S. Goyer and Jane Esmondson
Speaker 3: and directed by David Skoyer was also the showrunner. So
Speaker 3: for season three, Alexander Sadig and Troy Kotzer were cast
Speaker 3: in the roles of Doctor Ebling me, a self taught psychohistorian,
Speaker 3: and Preem Palver, a leader of a planet of psychics, respectively.
Speaker 3: Those are both book characters that are getting brought to
Speaker 3: the screen and Alexander Sadig previously appeared and See One
Speaker 3: as a guest role as a different character, which I
Speaker 3: was kind of surprised that they actually reference that in
Speaker 3: the show. He's a descendant of that character, I guess.
Speaker 3: Season three began filming in late May twenty twenty three
Speaker 3: in Prague. Filming was in halted and July fourteenth due
Speaker 3: to the twenty twenty three Hollywood labor disputes. Production on
Speaker 3: the third season was expected to resume in Prague in
Speaker 3: February twenty twenty four, but then once again disbanded due
Speaker 3: to budgetary issues, and then resuming again in March of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four in Prague and Poland. So kind of
Speaker 3: a rough go at getting the season done. Also, creator
Speaker 3: and show runner David es Goyer appears to have left
Speaker 3: the show now, in part due to the budget disputes.
Speaker 3: Season four has not been officially confirmed, but the writer's
Speaker 3: room is said to have been assembled with a new showrunner,
Speaker 3: Ian Goldberg, who is responsible for some really terrible TV.
Speaker 3: I'm not excited about that.
Speaker 2: Oh no, he's responsible. That's give us one.
Speaker 3: So the show Fear the Walking Dead switched showrunners to
Speaker 3: Ian Goldberg and this other guy, and the show just
Speaker 3: went like really downhill, really bad writing. Oh no, so.
Speaker 2: So he has a reputation of running shows into the ground.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh no, so we'll see I guess. But he
Speaker 3: wasn't there for season three, so we got this to
Speaker 3: look forward to. And then the three rows of three
Speaker 3: Laws of Robotics I mentioned in this episode, and that
Speaker 3: comes from the Isaac Asimam's robot stories which get intertwined
Speaker 3: with the Foundation series. So they go through it pretty
Speaker 3: well in the episode. So I won't go through them,
Speaker 3: but that is trivia.
Speaker 1: Grivia deep space dive. Let's break down some of our
Speaker 1: thoughts on the episode. You can share your thoughts with
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Speaker 1: comments on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2: So Don is in charge.
Speaker 3: We have a competent Don thinking the lead, not like
Speaker 3: those old Don's falling in love and stuff.
Speaker 2: Giving away state secret. It's running away. Whatever happened to
Speaker 2: that Dawn anyway? I really wanted to follow up on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really curious about that, Like I really that
Speaker 3: could be the end of the story, but it could
Speaker 3: be that, you know, they have the sentants out there.
Speaker 2: Right, A dynasty, A real dynasty. Yeah, that's what I
Speaker 2: thought we were going. So I was a little disappointed
Speaker 2: that they didn't give us a little a little something
Speaker 2: something with the Dawn and that got away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they could be holding onto that nugget.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 3: And it seems like the Merzil's like really into the.
Speaker 2: Down Yeah, she really likes him. She likes the go getter. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And he's into the foundation stuff too. He's into that
Speaker 2: weird thing she keeps in her chest. I don't know what.
Speaker 3: It's called, the Prime Radiant.
Speaker 2: No, what's a taser?
Speaker 1: Rak?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, the prime Radiant. He's really into the I'm Radiant,
Speaker 2: Like he keeps track of it with her and shit
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So she was given that by Harry Selvyn in
Speaker 3: the last season, and you know, I'm the show was
Speaker 3: asking the question that I'm asking. He's like, why did
Speaker 3: you do that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And she's asking it herself. She's like, why would
Speaker 2: he give me the answer to my prime to my
Speaker 2: like primary function that whatever I do, no matter how
Speaker 2: hard I try to save empire, it is going to end,
Speaker 2: it is going to end. And what does that mean
Speaker 2: for me and my purpose and my programming. I love
Speaker 2: that she you know, she's a religious robot and she
Speaker 2: sought religious counsel. So I thought that was an interesting,
Speaker 2: like kind of interaction. I thought I liked that they
Speaker 2: did that, like two women talking about like the future
Speaker 2: and their belief system. And I don't think personally, I
Speaker 2: don't think that the cleric or whatever she was did
Speaker 2: much to help her. She just kind of answered questions
Speaker 2: or with questions. It's almost I don't know, it just
Speaker 2: didn't feel give more about like kind of hashing it out,
Speaker 2: like giving us a window into her psyche, which I like.
Speaker 2: I do like that because she's such a complicated character.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and especially like now that we know her backstory, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I got all that out last season, And like she's
Speaker 3: a really interesting character and she is really like the
Speaker 3: main power in the Empire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's the power. She's the one pulling the strings
Speaker 2: to the puppets that are Empire. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: I think that's a really interesting conundrum that she's kind
Speaker 2: of in, Like what happens with my when the one
Speaker 2: thing that I'm supposed to do is inevitably going to fail?
Speaker 2: What does that leave you with when you know that
Speaker 2: failure is going to happen, like there is. It's unavoidable.
Speaker 2: Like humans, you know, we we we thrive off of failure.
Speaker 2: In most cases if we fail, we pivot. We were
Speaker 2: able to change course. But she's programmed in a certain way.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting that her programming that she said that,
Speaker 2: like when she talked about like the fourth or the
Speaker 2: the Axonon, I don't remember what she called the last
Speaker 2: law that they added where they're like, uh, the needs
Speaker 2: of the many outweigh the few.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, basically they can interpret like not harming humans
Speaker 3: as not individual humans, but all of human humanity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So to me, that breaking the first law robotics
Speaker 2: there should that law shouldn't exist, like they can't. That's
Speaker 2: not a good law for the robots.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it becomes the ends justify the means.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's evil. But that's literally evil. That's literally
Speaker 2: the Holocaust. That's literally like genocide. That's literally like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know these people over here, they're bad because they
Speaker 2: use plastic straws, so we got to kill them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it draws into question like well she's hinted
Speaker 3: at before. They're like she talked about the laws in
Speaker 3: the past tense, like they didn't apply to her anymore.
Speaker 3: So it's like, what is she capable of? Is can
Speaker 3: she harm a person?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: And if as she pleases that she needs to justify
Speaker 3: it in a way.
Speaker 2: Well, we've seen her harm empire, We've seen her execute
Speaker 2: many of them. So it's like she's the one who
Speaker 2: put the hit out on Day that one time where
Speaker 2: he was like fucking her, and she she's the one
Speaker 2: who orchestrated that whole interaction.
Speaker 3: So well, I guess because her new programming from cleon
Speaker 3: the first is to carry out carry forward his vision
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so, and so when his VI is over,
Speaker 2: I think she's going to default to that end, justify
Speaker 2: the means, like sweeping motions where the little guy might
Speaker 2: die because the need of the many is greater than
Speaker 2: the need of the few. And that's kind of concerning.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I kind of want her to die
Speaker 2: so she can rest in peace. She's like if I
Speaker 2: ever die, Like she's so hopeful for it, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I want her to be free and see what
Speaker 3: she does.
Speaker 2: You want to see what happens, how it pans out. Well,
Speaker 2: they got four months. That's a crazy timeline.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this episode kind of gave us a ticking clock
Speaker 3: at the end. Yeah, and you know, it kind of
Speaker 3: goes into what you were speculating about that like they're
Speaker 3: may be the reason she has the prime radio and
Speaker 3: can foresee all this stuff coming. Is that everyone's doing
Speaker 3: need to act against the Mule.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's all hands on deck with that freak.
Speaker 2: What a freak. Holy shit, that was scary.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I like that we start this episode
Speaker 3: we go straight to the fucking mule, like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that really just one guy.
Speaker 2: He came out roll chill and he's like, oh and
Speaker 2: he had these awful goggles. Awful goggles like some fucking
Speaker 2: steampunk fantasy bullshit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he has been recast from last season. I
Speaker 3: didn't known he kept the goggles to help transit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell the same white guy, didn't. I thought
Speaker 3: it was interesting that, like they made a point to
Speaker 3: explain why doctor Bashir looks like the other guy, but
Speaker 3: this guy just looks different.
Speaker 2: Well, you only saw him once in that one dream
Speaker 2: and it didn't even come true because that was a dream. Mule.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but uh, holy shit, that guy was. It
Speaker 2: shook me a little bit, Like I was like, holy shit,
Speaker 2: because like, you know, you can fight fire with fire,
Speaker 2: you can you can fight you know, you can try
Speaker 2: to strategize against somebody if they you don't have to
Speaker 2: be smarter than them to defeat them in battle in
Speaker 2: some cases. But this guy can get in your soldier's
Speaker 2: heads and makes them kill themselves or kill each other.
Speaker 2: The part where he's like, I'm gonna need that ring
Speaker 2: and he couldn't get it off and he makes him
Speaker 2: bite his finger off, I was like, that's fucked up, dude, Yep,
Speaker 2: that's fucked up. That's super fucked up. And then he
Speaker 2: shoots himself in the head. That was brutal, Like brutal.
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, those people that like bad guys,
Speaker 2: they're gonna have such a heart on for the mule.
Speaker 3: Those people that like bad guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. Those fucking creeps.
Speaker 2: They got a boner right now.
Speaker 3: Not seeing just how powerful he is is like why
Speaker 3: does he even need four months to recavic?
Speaker 2: Like why is he taking over one planet? Why why
Speaker 2: stop at one planet? And and and he said it,
Speaker 2: he said, look, I'm a man who needs a whole
Speaker 2: galaxy and that is terrifying. And he started with the
Speaker 2: pleasure planet, which nobody cares about. Apparently everybody's like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: big deal. Do you know the kind of hell that
Speaker 2: would be raised in the Star Trek Enterprise if Risa fell,
Speaker 2: If John Luke Picard and fucking Riker can't go and
Speaker 2: wear short shorts on their leave, they're fucking that Wars
Speaker 2: over in ten minutes bro one episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Riker would retirement. Do you want to see a
Speaker 3: next generation reunion? Maybe not war.
Speaker 2: Because he didn't play with us shit.
Speaker 3: Anyway, But I guess they they talk a lot about like, oh.
Speaker 2: It's just one pirate, no big deal.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, they're not quite seeing the threat because they
Speaker 3: haven't seen it for themselves. But they're also talk a
Speaker 3: lot about the current state of politics and how it's
Speaker 3: all in balance, and like no one wants to move
Speaker 3: on that planet.
Speaker 2: It's like the neutral zone. Then they don't touch it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think they have like a treaty or anything,
Speaker 3: but it seems like they know if they cross that
Speaker 3: line then there's going to be battles that they're not
Speaker 3: ready for something.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, who was that ambassador? I didn't get that.
Speaker 3: I guess the Empire and the Foundation are talking on
Speaker 3: some level.
Speaker 2: But not to the point where they're telling their homegirl
Speaker 2: that that planet fell twenty days ago. Like she's like,
Speaker 2: wait what And they're like, oh, yeah, girl, we've been new,
Speaker 2: we don't we don't already know that, are intel? We
Speaker 2: already knew we were going to have dinner with you
Speaker 2: and not even talk about it. Rude, rude. She didn't
Speaker 2: even stay for dinner. She's like, fuck, these guys and
Speaker 2: the main guy didn't even have the courtesy of coming
Speaker 2: to join me for dinner. How fucking rude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about the old Brother Day.
Speaker 2: Oh god, he's you know what, it reminds me of
Speaker 2: like a mixture of like the dude from The Big
Speaker 2: Lebowski and that's it. That's it, just the dude from
Speaker 2: The Big Lebowski. He's just that's that's him.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I like that they gave us like a total
Speaker 3: opposite Brother Day than what we were dealing with last season.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: He also kind of has like a Jesus look to
Speaker 2: him with the beard and the hair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's got that you know, care free dude energy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Devil May Care attitude where he's.
Speaker 3: Out there cloning camels, Yeah, camels and Serret's boats.
Speaker 2: For was that a sheep? That was a sheep or
Speaker 2: a lamb? Lamb? I don't know what the difference is.
Speaker 2: I know there's a goat, I know goats are different,
Speaker 2: But are sheeps and lambs the same thing? Are lamb's
Speaker 2: baby sheep?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, sorry, I was just working that out. I'm
Speaker 2: not very familiar with farm animals. Well, why is he
Speaker 2: cloning them? Why does he have these animals around? Who's
Speaker 2: cleaning up after them? Well?
Speaker 3: He did.
Speaker 2: He did say welcome to my stink, right, Yeah, so
Speaker 2: it probably smelled like camel shit.
Speaker 3: And sounds like he's been hanging out there for like
Speaker 3: six months with that.
Speaker 2: And then he called Drumazol a thing. Yeah, rude, that's
Speaker 2: his mom, girlfriend, wife, stepmom. What does she She's like,
Speaker 2: they're everything, and he's like, who invirite of that thing?
Speaker 3: She has always been and always will be or whatever?
Speaker 3: They say. Yeah, well, if he's you know, he's not
Speaker 3: sleeping with her, then he's dehumanizing her.
Speaker 2: Typical man.
Speaker 3: But yeah, he seems to have completely just stepped away
Speaker 3: from the role of empire and is living in his
Speaker 3: own little world there.
Speaker 2: I would like to see the backstory to that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they do talk about like like he gave
Speaker 3: Brother Dawn various advice and Brother Donna first, so like
Speaker 3: you know how much wisdom he has, So it seems
Speaker 3: like he was fulfilling that role effectively until recently. And
Speaker 3: then I guess this uh pending ascension as they call it.
Speaker 2: Right, and then the home the old homeboy has been
Speaker 2: watching clips of all the other old homeboys that have
Speaker 2: been dying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like, how do I want to do it?
Speaker 3: Do I want to run? Do you want to do
Speaker 3: a little dance? That's should I pretend to say something?
Speaker 3: You're like, oh yeah, one more thing and then dissolve.
Speaker 2: Is that what you would do? Keep them anticipations, leave
Speaker 2: them wanting more out.
Speaker 3: I'll be like, and don't forget the secret to life,
Speaker 3: and then I just sleeporize, or maybe I do like
Speaker 3: a Thanos, snap my fingers before I disintegrate.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to do it. I'd be crying the
Speaker 2: whole time. I'd like, I don't want to. I'm still healthy.
Speaker 2: Let me live out my days and maybe when I
Speaker 2: get Dementshall just walk into the beam. That would suck
Speaker 2: to be like euthanized. Basically, that's crazy. I wouldn't sign
Speaker 2: up for that.
Speaker 3: So with the Foundation, you know, it seems like they
Speaker 3: made a big point at the end of last season
Speaker 3: that you know, certain people survived because they were inside
Speaker 3: of the vault. But I guess that didn't really matter
Speaker 3: because the vault went back to Terminus and they resettled,
Speaker 3: and those people are dead now anyway because time is passed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they they lived, man, Yeah, and they I
Speaker 2: don't get how the Foundation, I don't I don't get
Speaker 2: are we like, is the Foundation a model of human
Speaker 2: humanity where we go through our religious phase and then
Speaker 2: we have our phase where we're really into trade and
Speaker 2: what's after that? I want to know what's after the
Speaker 2: trade because I think we're still stuck in that. I'm
Speaker 2: just curious what's after are capitalist phase? It seems like
Speaker 2: it's destruction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, four months left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna disappear into the ether. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just like, I guess it is, like,
Speaker 2: you know, science fiction is always looking around, It's always
Speaker 2: looking at society and the earth and the world. And
Speaker 2: it's always talking about what we're going through. So this
Speaker 2: was originally written in the forties, yes, during probably after
Speaker 2: World War Two, because nobody was having fun and working
Speaker 2: on their book during during the war. So uh. And
Speaker 2: I think in art specifically, like I studied painting and
Speaker 2: art history and all that, the post war art was
Speaker 2: very like nihilist. After World War two, art took a
Speaker 2: very dark turn. Artists were painting things like Picasso did
Speaker 2: that one very large, very dark painting called Guarnica where
Speaker 2: it's just like people like devastated from the war and
Speaker 2: what happened to Spain during that era, and it's very
Speaker 2: interesting paintings and art that comes out from I think
Speaker 2: it's technically the Silent generation, right, Yes.
Speaker 3: I think so. Yeah, Silent came after Greatest Yeah, and
Speaker 3: then Bloomers.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm I'm interested to see like the parallels
Speaker 2: of this modern interpretation of this novel that was written
Speaker 2: post World War two, post the most devastating war that
Speaker 2: the world has ever seen, with like tragic, tragic events
Speaker 2: where you would think that that was the end of
Speaker 2: humanity as we speak to to try to save it somehow,
Speaker 2: to try to prevent some of those things from happening.
Speaker 2: Imagine what would have happened if Hitler would have just
Speaker 2: stayed in art school, right, And now we're in our
Speaker 2: own era of potential World War three? And and what
Speaker 2: what is the catalyst here? What? What? What is the
Speaker 2: event that we should have prevented four months ago to
Speaker 2: put us somewhere anyway? Uh, I don't know, it's very interesting.
Speaker 2: I think this, Uh, the concept of this show is
Speaker 2: very of its time. But it's also like I like
Speaker 2: that the source material is something that we can recognize
Speaker 2: as it's as a as a moment in history that
Speaker 2: was impactful, you know what I mean? Like like it
Speaker 2: was it was a good book that came out that
Speaker 2: was to saying something about humanity and its ability to
Speaker 2: save itself potentially through science the knowledge. But then you
Speaker 2: said that they added the religious stuff and it looks
Speaker 2: like they're kind of walking away from that now.
Speaker 3: They added some elements of it is definitely part of
Speaker 3: the books as well, but but yeah, I think they
Speaker 3: basically said this is a different era for the Foundation,
Speaker 3: and it's yea all about expansion and trade. Yeah, trade,
Speaker 3: and so then the traders are seeming like they're going
Speaker 3: to be a big part of the conflict between Foundation
Speaker 3: and Empire.
Speaker 2: M Yeah, with the weapons thing that they were working
Speaker 2: on and that planet that blistered them up. Those two
Speaker 2: people on.
Speaker 3: Bikes, Yeah, and one of those named Han Pretcher, the
Speaker 3: guy that a dresses like Consolo.
Speaker 2: Is he related to? No, wait, the other guy, the
Speaker 2: guy with the one arm, was Mallow.
Speaker 3: I did not catch that, but I do did see
Speaker 3: that there are some characters named Mallow listed in the Yeah.
Speaker 2: That was the one armed guy that they like. I
Speaker 2: think he got away too. I think they got a
Speaker 2: notice that said he got away or he's still on
Speaker 2: the planet or something. So very interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 3: Okay, so we could have some descendants of old Hobo
Speaker 3: Mallow and I'm guessing Brother Constant. Yeah, Han Pritcher, he's
Speaker 3: a book character. I didn't mention that earlier, but yeah,
Speaker 3: they're trying to get evidence that the Empire is arming
Speaker 3: the Traders, which I don't know why they needed to.
Speaker 3: I guess physically get the guns.
Speaker 2: Because they have like a barcode that says made by Empire.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all of them are signed by brother Don.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got his fingerprint on him.
Speaker 3: I think we've covered most everything.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see Gail.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the one thing that's kind of missing,
Speaker 3: is like, what's what are Gail and Harry doing, Because
Speaker 3: that's another piece of this whole dynamic, is that the
Speaker 3: second they have a second foundation over there with some
Speaker 3: psychic powers on side, and no one else really knows
Speaker 3: about them, right, Yeah, And they've been prepping that for
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty years now.
Speaker 2: Right, slipping in their goog getting up every once in
Speaker 2: a while having visions of the Mule, having visions.
Speaker 1: Of the Mule.
Speaker 2: What a terrible existence to be asleep for like fifty
Speaker 2: sixty years at a time, dreaming of that guy, and
Speaker 2: then waking up to some fucking kids that are like
Speaker 2: fifty years older now, and you're like, oh man, you
Speaker 2: have cancer. Nows. That's crazy. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: think i'd sign up for that. It'd be cool if
Speaker 2: like their civilization like expanded and moved forward to if
Speaker 2: they have like levels or you know, if they built
Speaker 2: cities in that little planet that they stopped at. I'm
Speaker 2: sure they have like a monument to sell war.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm sad she's not part of the show now.
Speaker 2: I know she was just asking for too much money.
Speaker 2: I don't know most she's worth a lot, though I'm
Speaker 2: sure they probably couldn't.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think about my astral queen here. Ready
Speaker 3: to move on to it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're doing it.
Speaker 1: Astral queen? Who was the standout character in the episode.
Speaker 3: And it was such like a setting the stage episode,
Speaker 3: like who really stood out?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick Julian Or I don't know his real name.
Speaker 3: In the show. That's doctor Ebling.
Speaker 2: Mee, Yeah, that's who I pick. I'm picking the doctor
Speaker 2: who's like, you gave the bad guys our fucking recipe
Speaker 2: and you weren't gonna tell us and then he gets
Speaker 2: kicked out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess he's said he was an independent
Speaker 3: psycho psychohistorian. So yeah, he's like studying all this on
Speaker 3: his own.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just a big nerd.
Speaker 3: So he was like a few days ahead of the
Speaker 3: game there. I like that.
Speaker 2: He also like booby trapped his foundation. I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is, the vault, the vault, I always want
Speaker 2: to say taser. Anyway, the vault, he like neutralized it
Speaker 2: and approached it, and Harry Selton's like, no one's ever
Speaker 2: done that? How darey? And he was like geeking out
Speaker 2: in Selden's office. I liked him. I'm excited to see
Speaker 2: this character and his knowledge be put to the test
Speaker 2: by his Uh. I don't know what it was. It's
Speaker 2: not his his his his mentor kind of not really
Speaker 2: because they've never met.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's like he probably idolizes him there. It
Speaker 3: is the idol yeah yeah, or role model, role model,
Speaker 3: that's it. That's it. Yeah, I'm thinking about Like Brother
Speaker 3: Dawn was really interesting in this episode is how he
Speaker 3: has was.
Speaker 2: He was taking charge. He's like even like when that
Speaker 2: lady got offended, He's like, please chill, it's not our
Speaker 2: intent to be rude, but we're rude as hell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I have a feeling I'm not gonna like
Speaker 3: him in the long run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you better give him one now. So he's
Speaker 2: a little kiss ass.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm gonna him. I also found Brother
Speaker 3: Day to be interesting.
Speaker 2: Brother Day was fun, but I thought his soliloquies and
Speaker 2: his poems were stupid. I'm boring, but I'm not. I'm
Speaker 2: not a fan of white men doing poetry. They've had
Speaker 2: their time.
Speaker 3: I feel like the woman there with him song, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was just like humoring them when he gives his
Speaker 3: poetry and stuff. Yeah, it's like, yeah, that's a great line. Empire.
Speaker 2: Good job, guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm picking brother don real. He's stepping up to
Speaker 3: the plate.
Speaker 2: Okay, do we have any spoilers? Oh? No, you have
Speaker 2: to do the next episode name right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I really don't have any spoilers. Could
Speaker 3: like speculate a little bit on book stuff, but I
Speaker 3: don't think it's really interesting. Maybe more so as stuff
Speaker 3: comes up in the season and we have a sense
Speaker 3: of direction. But other than like the mule, you know,
Speaker 3: really messes up the Harry Selden's plan.
Speaker 2: Oh that's fun.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 2: So that little that little Tezera, the Prime Radiant, the
Speaker 2: Prime Radiant is useless, Yeah, so I think, But the sorry,
Speaker 2: I get excited. So if the Prime Radiant is useless
Speaker 2: because the Mule puts everything out of order, But we
Speaker 2: have Gail, a living human who can do Harry Selden's math,
Speaker 2: probably better than him, who could rebuild it and restructure
Speaker 2: it and reformulate it and fix everything. Maybe I have
Speaker 2: a lot of hope for Gail in this. I'm team Gaylee. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know, there's some bad some people who are
Speaker 2: really into bad guys cream in their pants for the mule.
Speaker 2: I'm ready for him to win.
Speaker 3: Yep. So the next episode will be obviously Season three
Speaker 3: episode two title is Shadows in the Math, So everyone
Speaker 3: do your math homework for this next one. I think
Speaker 3: that's it. So thanks for spacing out with us, and
Speaker 3: remember you live long enough, time can become a weapon.
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