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<v Speaker 2>looking at a video on Bible Talk TV called a rib,

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<v Speaker 2>a Snake and a Flood literal Genesis Bible study by

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<v Speaker 2>speaker Kim Wall. I became aware of him because my partner,

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, my name is Kim Wall and I would like

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<v Speaker 3>to welcome you to the first lesson in a series

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<v Speaker 3>of literal Genesis. In this series, we'll take a look

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<v Speaker 3>at some of the evolutionary thinking and how that relates

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<v Speaker 3>or doesn't relate to scripture.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the unfortunate thing for creationists is that does evolution

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<v Speaker 2>happen and does God exist? Are two different questions that

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately have nothing to do with each other. However, one

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<v Speaker 2>of them does have a definitive answer evolution happens. So

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<v Speaker 2>creationists who have tied their concept of God to answering

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<v Speaker 2>the question does evolution happen? With a no end up

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<v Speaker 2>in a position where they have to deny a ton

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<v Speaker 2>of well established scientific fact in order to continue believing

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<v Speaker 2>in their God.

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<v Speaker 3>And something I want to reaffirm as we go throughout

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<v Speaker 3>this entire series is going to hope this sticks, is

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<v Speaker 3>that we hold firmly to scripture, we hold loosely to theories.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Here's the thing though. If the Bible actually were

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<v Speaker 2>the infallible word of an omniscient God, then when it

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<v Speaker 2>speaks to scientific truths, we would expect it to be

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<v Speaker 2>correct about them. Thus, a study of science would wind

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<v Speaker 2>up supporting the Bible, regardless of whether or not we

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<v Speaker 2>start with the truth of the Bible as a presupposition.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I get that he's using the word theories in

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<v Speaker 2>order to promote the confusion between the scientific use of

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<v Speaker 2>the word theory and the colloquial use, making it seem

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<v Speaker 2>like evolution is just an as yet unproven hypothesis. But

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<v Speaker 2>as most of you are probably already aware, in science,

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<v Speaker 2>a theory is a whole body of knowledge about a

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<v Speaker 2>broad subject. Yes, there are unproven hypotheses within a theory,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're also well established facts, observations, measurements, experimental vers results,

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Because the theories of us human beings, they're they're flawed,

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<v Speaker 3>they change all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>They're fluid, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a good thing. The creationist tendency to shit

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<v Speaker 2>on science because it changes is like if the protagonist

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<v Speaker 2>in a rom coom after the miscommunication that drives the

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<v Speaker 2>plot of Act three is cleared up, instead of going, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that makes so much more sense, they refuse to acknowledge

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<v Speaker 2>that there even was a miscommunication to begin with, and

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<v Speaker 2>end up staying mad at the love interest, never to

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<v Speaker 2>reconcile because the information I had the first time was

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<v Speaker 2>the correct information. You see, so.

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<v Speaker 3>We want to be sure that we're not taking what

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<v Speaker 3>should be something scriptural and trying to force it into

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<v Speaker 3>a theory that doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 4>You'll be unhappy with that, trust me.

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<v Speaker 2>There are plenty of very highly religious scientists who seem

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<v Speaker 2>to be quite happy with that, mostly by just recognizing

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<v Speaker 2>that the Bible is not, and never has been, a

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<v Speaker 2>science textbook. So the easiest thing for a Christian to

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<v Speaker 2>do when they come across a contradiction between science and

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible is to work under the assumption that God

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to say something that is isn't actually relevant

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<v Speaker 2>to science in that passage. Admittedly, this is made a

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<v Speaker 2>bit difficult when you get to things like Jacob breeding

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<v Speaker 2>sheep in front of peeled poplar branches in order to

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<v Speaker 2>make their offspring have spots in Genesis thirty. But it

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<v Speaker 2>can be done. Maybe for this one we assume that

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<v Speaker 2>this was actually a ritual that God had put in

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<v Speaker 2>place for Jacob, where if Jacob was good and obedient,

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<v Speaker 2>God would bless him with the spotted sheep that he

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<v Speaker 2>was allowed to keep for himself. Would it make sense

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<v Speaker 2>for God to leave out that important detail, thus making

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<v Speaker 2>the story look like an all known creator of everything

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't understand the basics of genetics. Of course not, but

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<v Speaker 2>at least then you don't have a book that is

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<v Speaker 2>quite so explicitly wrong about what is today such a

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<v Speaker 2>basic fact about biology that even creationists accepted.

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<v Speaker 3>And really, when it comes down to it, my personal opinion,

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<v Speaker 3>there's really only two world views. One is that you

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<v Speaker 3>view everything through the lens of scripture.

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<v Speaker 2>Technically, when you phrase something like that it is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of correct everyone either does or does not view everything

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<v Speaker 2>through the lens of scripture. But I could just as

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<v Speaker 2>easily say that there are two world views. Everyone either

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<v Speaker 2>does or does not view everything through the lens of

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<v Speaker 2>gay unicorn Gary's holy proclamations. That is a true statement,

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<v Speaker 2>But as it turns out, there's a lot of diversity

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<v Speaker 2>in the binary, so much so that it leaves us

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<v Speaker 2>wondering whether phrasing it in such binary terms is even helpful.

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<v Speaker 3>If I'm a scientist, for example, and I'm a geologist

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm investigating the rock layers, then I want to

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<v Speaker 3>know does the Bible have anything to say about geology?

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<v Speaker 4>Does it touch on the rock layers?

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<v Speaker 3>And if it does, I really need to start my

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<v Speaker 3>science there or I may get wrong conclusions. I'll come

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<v Speaker 3>up with everything all backwards and it won't make much sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And as it happens, the Bible is entirely one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent silent on the rock layers. What is a scientist

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<v Speaker 2>who views everything through a lens of scripture supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>do when scripture is silent on a matter? Is it

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<v Speaker 2>even possible to view everything through a lens of scripture?

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<v Speaker 2>If scripture doesn't actually cover everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Always want to start with that as a Christian. The

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<v Speaker 3>other worldview is really just one that lacks God, looking

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<v Speaker 3>at the world, interpreting the world, the events, people, places

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<v Speaker 3>things without any scriptural context, or without God at all.

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<v Speaker 4>So those are the two different types of worldviews.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I said he was technically correct, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure how someone who believes in a non Christian

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<v Speaker 2>God is supposed to fit into his binary with the

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<v Speaker 2>way he phrased it. Hell, I'm not even sure how

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<v Speaker 2>Christians who believe in the Christian God but don't view

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<v Speaker 2>everything through scripture would fit in. I mean, I know

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<v Speaker 2>how he probably thinks about it. You may call yourself

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<v Speaker 2>a Christian, but if you don't view one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 2>of everything in your life through the lens of scripture,

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<v Speaker 2>then you're really living the life of a godless he

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<v Speaker 2>Then problem is there are going to be plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>Christians out there who believe themselves to be viewing everything

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<v Speaker 2>through scripture just like he says, but who come to

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<v Speaker 2>different conclusions than he does. As an outsider looking in,

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<v Speaker 2>it appears very much as though Christians, even the ones

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<v Speaker 2>who insist that they view everything through scripture, just decide

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<v Speaker 2>that the Bible means whatever they want it to mean,

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<v Speaker 2>irrespective of what it says or any particular passages, broader context,

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<v Speaker 2>not to mention the historical context and linguistic nuance. It

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<v Speaker 2>turns out you can make the Bible say pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>anything you want it too, with a selective application of

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<v Speaker 2>all of these things, so every Christian will be able

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<v Speaker 2>to back up their beliefs with scripture. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and skip the rest of the section. It's

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<v Speaker 2>mostly just him complaining about Christians who compromise by not

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<v Speaker 2>being science deniers, and it's an internal fight. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a horse in that race, so I'm skipping it.

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<v Speaker 4>So let's start with the creation account.

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<v Speaker 3>And what I picked for for this first discussion is

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<v Speaker 3>four areas in early Genesis history that a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>Christians have trouble with, and beginning right there with creation. So,

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<v Speaker 3>as always, what we want to do is start with

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<v Speaker 3>the Bible. Now, remember our worldview is based on scripture,

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<v Speaker 3>so we start with scripture if scripture has something to

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<v Speaker 3>say about it, and then we go and we do

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<v Speaker 3>our investigations from there. And right off the bat, it's

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<v Speaker 3>inescapable Genesis one to one. In the beginning, God created

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<v Speaker 3>the heavens and the earth, So right up front, God

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<v Speaker 3>takes credit for everything that we see, everything that's been created.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, the Bible sure does say that. Congratulations. The religious

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<v Speaker 2>text for your religion says that your creator deity is

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<v Speaker 2>the creator Deity. Much profundity.

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<v Speaker 3>And if we look at this simple picture here, there's

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<v Speaker 3>a couple things I want to point out. One is

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<v Speaker 3>that it really is a straightforward reading. In Genesis, he

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<v Speaker 3>talks about evening and morning at day one, evening morning

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<v Speaker 3>at day two, and he tells us that on these

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<v Speaker 3>days he did these things, and on these days he

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<v Speaker 3>did other things. It's very very specific. It's very easy

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<v Speaker 3>to understand.

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<v Speaker 2>So remember earlier when I mentioned that thing called linguistic nuance,

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<v Speaker 2>which has the tendency to make things less simple than

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<v Speaker 2>just a plain reading. Earlier, when I congratulated him for

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<v Speaker 2>concluding that the religious text for his religion says that

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<v Speaker 2>his religion's creator deity is the creator Deity. I let

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<v Speaker 2>him get away with stopping the quote at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of verse one. In the beginning, God created the heavens

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<v Speaker 2>on the earth. If we continue in verse two, it says,

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<v Speaker 2>Then his spirit was hovering over the waters of the

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<v Speaker 2>now formless and empty earth. But if I crack open

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<v Speaker 2>my copy of the Anchor Bible, a scholarly translation where

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<v Speaker 2>Verse two is not the second statement in a sequence

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<v Speaker 2>of things that happened. It is a parenthetical that gives

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<v Speaker 2>for some Christians has some pretty massive theological implications. So

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<v Speaker 3>Right off the bat, we have day one that there's

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<v Speaker 3>the Earth. Well, the other explanation for how things got

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<v Speaker 3>here doesn't have the Earth until billions of years later,

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<v Speaker 3>after the Big Bank, so that doesn't fit. Look at

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<v Speaker 3>day five, we've got birds and flying reptiles before day

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<v Speaker 3>six where there would have been land dwelling dinosaurs. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>the alternative theory is that dinosaurs evolved into birds, so

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<v Speaker 2>It's usually me pointing out that the Bible got the

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<v Speaker 2>order of creation wrong, so thanks, I guess worth reiterating

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<v Speaker 2>at this point, though, we know that the universe existed

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<v Speaker 2>for billions of years before the Earth. We know that

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<v Speaker 2>non avian dinosaurs predated birds. We know that stars existed

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<v Speaker 2>before the sun. They weren't just created after it on

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<v Speaker 2>the same day. So if your book were actually correct,

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<v Speaker 2>we wouldn't need to ignore all these things that we

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<v Speaker 2>know just about as surely as it is possible to

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<v Speaker 2>But also if we're taking it as literally written, the

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<v Speaker 2>moon is a light source that dominates the night. We

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<v Speaker 2>moon reflects sunlight rather than being a light source itself,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's up in the sky for approximately equal amounts

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<v Speaker 2>left with a few options here. Either we must not

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<v Speaker 2>believe the things that we can see with our own

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<v Speaker 2>lying eyes, or the author didn't mean for the story

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<v Speaker 2>to be taken entirely literally at face value, or the

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<v Speaker 2>author was wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>There's way more here than I want to get into

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<v Speaker 3>right now, but just know that when you begin to compromise,

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<v Speaker 3>things just start getting ugly pretty quick.

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<v Speaker 2>And there you have it. If you believe that the

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<v Speaker 2>moon spends about equal times in the day sky as

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<v Speaker 2>in the night sky, you are compromising them.

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<v Speaker 4>Things are going to get ugly.

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<v Speaker 3>So you have this idea that God spoke and it

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<v Speaker 3>stood fast, God spoke and it happened. What's the alternative

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<v Speaker 3>that nothing exploded and produced everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we get to choose between a magician casting a

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<v Speaker 2>spell and nothing exploding into everything. Neither of those sounds right.

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<v Speaker 2>And the people who study cosmology seem to be under

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<v Speaker 2>the impression that there was never nothing in the sense

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<v Speaker 2>that he means when he says it to begin with.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would argue that if there ever was nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>then the universe isn't a problem. If there were truly

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<v Speaker 2>nothing in the beginning, then that means that the laws

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<v Speaker 2>of physics weren't there either, And the laws of physics

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<v Speaker 2>are what would stop something from coming from nothing. So

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<v Speaker 2>there is literally nothing stopping something from coming from nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>I really want to draw your attention to this word nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>Never in my history on this earth have I come

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<v Speaker 3>across one word. This costs so much confusion as this

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<v Speaker 3>word nothing. When we read the scientific literature and it

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<v Speaker 3>says that this singularity, this big bang happened from nothing

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<v Speaker 3>at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to stop you right there. That's not a

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<v Speaker 2>thing you would read in the scientific literature. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>thing that you would read on apologetics blogs.

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<v Speaker 3>What does nothing mean, it means no thing. It means

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<v Speaker 3>not anything. It means nothing at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing at all, nothing at all, nothing at all. Stupid

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<v Speaker 2>texted flander not in the scientific literature, doesn't you know?

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<v Speaker 2>I really wish Kraus had never written that goddamn book,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least given it a title that didn't make

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<v Speaker 2>it so easy for apologists to project their incorrect interpretation

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<v Speaker 2>of what it means onto their already lackluster understanding of cosmology.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is what we're left with as an alternative,

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<v Speaker 3>that everything exploded out of nothing at all. Now you

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<v Speaker 3>tell me which is the most plausible explanation for how

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<v Speaker 3>everything got here, That we have a transcendent God who's

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<v Speaker 3>outside of space and time. In fact, he creates space

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<v Speaker 3>and time and all matter at the moment of creation,

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<v Speaker 3>or nothing at all exploded and here we are billions

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<v Speaker 3>of years later.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the nothing at all seems most likely to me,

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<v Speaker 2>given the lack of laws of physics that would stop

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<v Speaker 2>nothing from doing that. But this is where I'm supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to ask who created God, to which you get to say,

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<v Speaker 2>God has always been there, so he does not need

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<v Speaker 2>a creator, to which I get to say, then why

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<v Speaker 2>can the energy that existed before the Big Bang not

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<v Speaker 2>have been the thing that's always been there, thus not

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<v Speaker 2>needing a creator.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, there's lots of other things we can say about

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<v Speaker 3>the Big Bang.

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<v Speaker 4>We're not going to do that today.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to point out one thing in fact,

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<v Speaker 3>each of the things we'll talk about here. There's multiple

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<v Speaker 3>areas we could explore, but I just want to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about one thing for each of these four. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not the only one who feels this way. There's an astronomer,

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<v Speaker 3>Halton Arp. He says, in my opinion, the observations speak

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<v Speaker 3>a different language. They call for a different view of

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<v Speaker 3>the universe. I believe that the Big Bang theory should

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<v Speaker 3>be what's that word replaced, because it is no longer

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<v Speaker 3>a valid theory.

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<v Speaker 2>Halton Arp was one of a handful of astronomers who

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<v Speaker 2>thought that the red shift of distant objects was not

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<v Speaker 2>due to the expansion of spacetime, but was an intrinsic

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<v Speaker 2>property of the objects. I'm not going to pretend to

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<v Speaker 2>understand that hypothesis, but I see nothing indicating that it

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<v Speaker 2>would call into question the age of the universe. So

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<v Speaker 2>if Arp was right, which he almost certainly was not,

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<v Speaker 2>that still doesn't get you any closer to a six

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<v Speaker 2>thousand year old universe, And worth mentioning is that, well,

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<v Speaker 2>this was a fringe idea, it was taken seriously by astronomers,

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<v Speaker 2>and the reason I can say that it was almost

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<v Speaker 2>certainly not correct is because astronomers kept testing the predictions

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<v Speaker 2>of the model and over time found it to be lacking.

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<v Speaker 3>And doctor Arper's not alone. There's lots of other scientists

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<v Speaker 3>who feel the same way. There's been an open letter

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<v Speaker 3>kind of put out there, and these aren't scientists who

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<v Speaker 2>Is the open letter the scientific dissent from Darwinism by chance?

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<v Speaker 2>Because not only does that have nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the Big Bang, it was a dishonest pile of hot

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<v Speaker 2>garbage that used Weasley language to trick people into signing it.

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<v Speaker 2>The statement they signed on to said we are skeptical

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<v Speaker 2>of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural

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<v Speaker 2>selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination

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<v Speaker 2>of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged. There's

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<v Speaker 2>two issues here. First is that anyone who knows the

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<v Speaker 2>basics of evolution is already aware that random mutation and

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<v Speaker 2>natural selection are not responsible for the entirety of the

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<v Speaker 2>complexity of life. So obviously someone who knows about evolution

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<v Speaker 2>would be skeptical if someone were to claim that they

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<v Speaker 2>were and carefully examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory

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<v Speaker 2>is literally the job description for every evolutionary biologist there is,

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<v Speaker 2>so the fact that they were able to get a

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<v Speaker 2>measly thousand signatories to the statement is really not surprising

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<v Speaker 2>and unimpressive.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, So the second thing, let's talk about this

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<v Speaker 3>rib from Eve. I have been personally ridy killed for

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<v Speaker 3>this one on more than one occasion.

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<v Speaker 2>Given how far off base you were for your last point,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that should prompt some re examination of your beliefs

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<v Speaker 2>about this.

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<v Speaker 3>If you can picture somebody snickering and said, hey, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>go ask him where he thinks the first woman came from.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he thinks it came from a rib, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>from the first man.

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<v Speaker 2>This is actually where some more linguistic nuance comes into play.

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<v Speaker 2>A decent argument could be made that the word translated

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<v Speaker 2>as rib would be better translated as side, and this

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<v Speaker 2>matches with the Telmudic tradition that Adam and Eve were

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<v Speaker 2>both created as one single being, both male and female,

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<v Speaker 2>with God separating them once he created Eve. From Adam's side.

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<v Speaker 2>This doesn't matter a whole lot the grand scheme of things,

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<v Speaker 2>but it certainly does leave us with an interpretation that

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<v Speaker 2>makes it way easier to be transaffirming, which I suspect

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<v Speaker 2>this guy would not appreciate. But this is a great

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<v Speaker 2>example of what I was talking about earlier. You can

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<v Speaker 2>look at the existence of trans people through the lens

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<v Speaker 2>of scripture and come to two opposite conclusions. God made

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<v Speaker 2>the man and woman separate beings no trans people, or

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<v Speaker 2>God made the male and female in one body. Adam

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<v Speaker 2>went by they them pronouns before Eve was made, and

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<v Speaker 2>in the New Testament we actually see the statement that

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<v Speaker 2>there is no male or female. We are all one

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<v Speaker 2>in Christ Jesus. So through this scriptural lens, God seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be a bit of a gender abolitionist. Same scripture,

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<v Speaker 2>different interpretation, and both sides of the argument can be

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<v Speaker 2>pretty well supported, leaving us once again in a place

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<v Speaker 2>where you are not actually seeing the world through the

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<v Speaker 2>lens of scripture. You are seeing scripture through the lens

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<v Speaker 2>of your other beliefs and letting those beliefs inform your interpretation.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So, as always we go back to scripture, our

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<v Speaker 3>worldviews based on scripture. So what does the scripture have

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<v Speaker 3>to say about the first woman just two twenty two

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<v Speaker 3>and the rib that the Lord God had taken from

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<v Speaker 3>the man he made into a woman. Oh so many

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<v Speaker 3>things here. We could talk about this rib and things

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<v Speaker 3>that it symbolizes. But again, I just want to stick

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<v Speaker 3>to one thing. Could God have made Eve out of

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<v Speaker 3>nothing at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing at all?

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<v Speaker 4>Nothing at all, nothing at.

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<v Speaker 2>All, stupid dirty flander. Well, according to what you seem

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<v Speaker 2>to be saying earlier, creating things out of nothing is impossible,

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess not.

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<v Speaker 3>Just with his voice, absolutely, But yet he takes the

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<v Speaker 3>time to tell us that he caused Adam to go

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<v Speaker 3>into his sleep, which is the first anesthesiology. If you

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<v Speaker 3>want to look at it that way, I.

426
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<v Speaker 2>Mean I might look at it that way if it

427
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<v Speaker 2>said something more along the lines of and thus the

428
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<v Speaker 2>Lord God did administer novakane and quantities appropriate for Adam's

429
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<v Speaker 2>body mass. But if you're going for there's advanced signs

430
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<v Speaker 2>in the Bible, a guy went to sleep is on

431
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<v Speaker 2>the weaker side of things. I'm skipping ahead a bit

432
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<v Speaker 2>at this point. He just takes a long ass time

433
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<v Speaker 2>to say that most of your bones are covered by

434
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<v Speaker 2>a membrane of blood, vessels, and nerves called the periostium,

435
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<v Speaker 2>which supplies the bones with blood and directs their growth

436
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<v Speaker 2>and healing.

437
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<v Speaker 3>Now, the periostium, when it comes to the rib, will

438
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<v Speaker 3>do something absolutely amazing. If you take a rib out

439
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<v Speaker 3>of a person and you leave that sheath intact, you

440
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<v Speaker 3>leave the periossium intact, it'll initiate bone growth and a

441
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<v Speaker 3>whole new rib will grow in its place.

442
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this isn't the first time I've heard this claim,

443
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<v Speaker 2>so I already kind of knew where to look. This

444
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<v Speaker 2>is not true for starters, He's got his anatomy mixed up.

445
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<v Speaker 2>They didn't look at the periostium. They looked at the perichondrium,

446
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<v Speaker 2>which is basically the same as the periostium, but for

447
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<v Speaker 2>cartilage instead of bone. They were also looking at mice,

448
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<v Speaker 2>not humans. The study was essentially just establishing a link

449
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<v Speaker 2>between the perichondrium and the ability to regenerate cartilage. Now,

450
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<v Speaker 2>don't get me wrong, there is evidence to suggest that

451
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<v Speaker 2>ribs regenerate better than other bones in the body. But

452
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<v Speaker 2>the human example they looked at in this study was

453
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<v Speaker 2>a case study where someone's rib was partially removed and

454
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<v Speaker 2>after six months it was partially repaired. Now, to be fair,

455
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<v Speaker 2>it is entirely possible that there has been a follow

456
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<v Speaker 2>up study that looked at the periostium that I just

457
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<v Speaker 2>haven't found. And I will acknowledge that while I did

458
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<v Speaker 2>look for it, I didn't look all that hard, because

459
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<v Speaker 2>ultimately this doesn't matter. I fail to see how ribs

460
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<v Speaker 2>are the bone in the body that regenerates the quickest,

461
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<v Speaker 2>is in any way support for God made an entire

462
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<v Speaker 2>new person out of material from this one guy's rib.

463
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<v Speaker 2>And that's without even getting into the hole. If Eve

464
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<v Speaker 2>was made from Adam's rib, then she's a genetic clone

465
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<v Speaker 2>of him. So the first woman was genetically male thing.

466
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, personally, I don't think that's much of a goatcha.

467
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<v Speaker 2>This is God we're dealing with. He can magic an

468
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<v Speaker 2>X chromosome the same as he magic the entire universe.

469
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<v Speaker 2>But if we're turning to magic for our explanations here,

470
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<v Speaker 2>then why does it matter that he used a bone

471
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<v Speaker 2>that heals slightly faster than the other bones. He could

472
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<v Speaker 2>also magically heal Adam afterward, right like regardless of which

473
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<v Speaker 2>bone he used. So why does this matter?

474
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<v Speaker 3>That's not something a lot of people know. I've talked

475
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<v Speaker 3>to mds about this, and there's many that didn't even

476
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<v Speaker 3>know this until they began to do the research.

477
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<v Speaker 4>But it's true, and.

478
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<v Speaker 3>In fact, it's the only bone in the body that

479
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<v Speaker 3>we know of that if you take it out and

480
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<v Speaker 3>you leave the periossum intac that the bone will grow

481
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<v Speaker 3>right back in the place of where you took the bone.

482
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<v Speaker 4>Isn't that amazing?

483
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<v Speaker 3>Do you think God knew that when he took the

484
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<v Speaker 3>rib from Adam?

485
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this is confirming for me that he was

486
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<v Speaker 2>thinking about the mouse study, because I feel like it

487
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<v Speaker 2>would have been super easy to find a study where

488
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<v Speaker 2>a human regrew an entire bone from a little tissue

489
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<v Speaker 2>nubbin like that. So he's wrong about it happening in people.

490
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<v Speaker 2>And even if it did, it would take months. So

491
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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter for the Adam and Eve story not

492
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<v Speaker 2>to mention the growing of an entire new person out

493
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<v Speaker 2>of a rib bone is not even on the table here.

494
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<v Speaker 2>The only stuff that's been done on humans that is

495
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<v Speaker 2>in any way relevant is that sometimes surgeons will use

496
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<v Speaker 2>the periostiuan material from a patient's ribs in order to

497
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<v Speaker 2>stimulate bone healing in other parts of the body. I

498
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<v Speaker 2>have found nothing to indicate that any person has ever

499
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<v Speaker 2>regrown a full rib bone in the way that he

500
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<v Speaker 2>is describing. But the mouse study is one of the

501
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<v Speaker 2>top results for every search I've done so far, along

502
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<v Speaker 2>with a similar study done on rabbits in nineteen twelve.

503
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<v Speaker 2>So here's a question for you. Then, if the results

504
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<v Speaker 2>of the mouse and rabbit studies are applicable to humans,

505
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<v Speaker 2>why did God apparently give all mammals the ability to

506
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<v Speaker 2>regrow ribs rather than just humans. This actually had the

507
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<v Speaker 2>potential to be a sliver of evidence for creation. If

508
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<v Speaker 2>it were only humans, God's ultimate creation who could regrow ribs,

509
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<v Speaker 2>and it was stated in the Bible that Adam actually

510
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<v Speaker 2>regrew the rib rather than it being entirely silent on

511
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<v Speaker 2>his recovery, then that would actually kind of point there.

512
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<v Speaker 2>But as it stands, we're just left at a spot

513
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<v Speaker 2>where his lack of attention to detail has made him

514
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<v Speaker 2>factually incorrect. But he's presenting it so confidently that people

515
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<v Speaker 2>in the audience who don't immediately recognize common creation as

516
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<v Speaker 2>talking points will probably think that he actually knows what

517
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<v Speaker 2>he's talking about and help. He was just bragging that

518
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<v Speaker 2>he knows more about this than medical doctors, so he

519
00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:51.839
<v Speaker 2>must be pretty knowledgeable about it. Right, He's either ignorant

520
00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:54.079
<v Speaker 2>or lying, and either way the result is the same.

521
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<v Speaker 2>He's using dishonesty to keep his audience ignorant.

522
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<v Speaker 3>The next thing I'll point out is that the there

523
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<v Speaker 3>are many important cell types inside of a rib in

524
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<v Speaker 3>the bone marrow. There's stem cells, if you've probably heard

525
00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:09.880
<v Speaker 3>that in the news over the last ten to fifteen years,

526
00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:15.240
<v Speaker 3>not just one type, but there's multipotent, plural, potent, unipotent,

527
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<v Speaker 3>there's lots of different types of stem cells. Well, what

528
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<v Speaker 3>can we do with the stem cell?

529
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<v Speaker 2>So I know, I said I wasn't really going to

530
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<v Speaker 2>get into the whole X chromosome thing, but it seems

531
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<v Speaker 2>as though he is actually describing the process that God

532
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<v Speaker 2>used to make Eve as human cloning. So that brings

533
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<v Speaker 2>us right back to the question of where her X

534
00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:33.799
<v Speaker 2>chromosome came from. And if it's God magic, then why

535
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<v Speaker 2>go through the cloning process at all instead of just

536
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<v Speaker 2>God magicing the whole thing.

537
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<v Speaker 3>Hold that thought right, Hold that for just a moment,

538
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<v Speaker 3>because we want to go into chromosomes just for a second,

539
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<v Speaker 3>kind of a sidebar.

540
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<v Speaker 4>Then come back to this idea of stem cells.

541
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<v Speaker 2>At least he's going to address it. Let's see where

542
00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:53.039
<v Speaker 2>he goes with that. After we skip his painfully slow

543
00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:55.799
<v Speaker 2>explanation of some basic biology, he just takes a long

544
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<v Speaker 2>ass time to say xx usually equals female and xy

545
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<v Speaker 2>usually equals And of course he didn't use the word

546
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<v Speaker 2>usually because that leaves the door open for sex to

547
00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:06.559
<v Speaker 2>not be binary, and we can't have that anyway.

548
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<v Speaker 3>Skipping ahead now, this is this is kind of interesting

549
00:25:09.559 --> 00:25:14.200
<v Speaker 3>to me that Adam having an X chromosome would have

550
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<v Speaker 3>had all the genetic material required to make a woman.

551
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<v Speaker 4>Isn't that interesting?

552
00:25:20.599 --> 00:25:24.200
<v Speaker 2>So Eve was genetically identical to Adam, except God chopped

553
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<v Speaker 2>off the Y and gave her a second X identical

554
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:29.839
<v Speaker 2>to the first. Sure why they're not. That's basically the

555
00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:32.160
<v Speaker 2>same as saying God magic, though, so I'm left wondering

556
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<v Speaker 2>why you even have to pretend that there's any signs

557
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<v Speaker 2>here to begin with. Though, to be fair, I have

558
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:39.000
<v Speaker 2>often asked creations to explain the mechanism that God used

559
00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:42.000
<v Speaker 2>to do his creating, and well, this explanation still leaves

560
00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:44.799
<v Speaker 2>us with way more questions than answers. At least, it's

561
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<v Speaker 2>an attempt gold star for being the first creationists I've

562
00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:50.200
<v Speaker 2>ever seen at least try to explain the mechanisms that

563
00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:50.839
<v Speaker 2>God used.

564
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<v Speaker 3>All the genetic material is there in that X Y

565
00:25:56.440 --> 00:26:00.960
<v Speaker 3>chromosome to make a woman. So with the x y chromosomes,

566
00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:03.599
<v Speaker 3>there's something else that we need to understand. Is Okay,

567
00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:05.759
<v Speaker 3>let's say God took a cell, one of the stem

568
00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:09.119
<v Speaker 3>cells from the rib and he was going to fashion

569
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<v Speaker 3>Eve from it.

570
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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's an X Y. That's not the right chromosome.

571
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<v Speaker 4>Did you know that if you take the X Y

572
00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:20.720
<v Speaker 4>chromosome and you strip the Y away, that the X

573
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<v Speaker 4>will replicate itself and you'll end up with x X.

574
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<v Speaker 2>Hey, maybe this guy will surprise me and end up

575
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<v Speaker 2>being progressive, because here we are at a place where

576
00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:33.319
<v Speaker 2>he's willing to acknowledge that sex is not an immutable characteristic.

577
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I doubt that he's correct about cells doing that,

578
00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:38.519
<v Speaker 2>given how off he was about the ribs, But I

579
00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:40.680
<v Speaker 2>honestly can't find any information on that that doesn't come

580
00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:43.359
<v Speaker 2>from Reddit. Reddit does seem to agree with me on it,

581
00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:46.079
<v Speaker 2>But the only scientific stuff I found was once again,

582
00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:48.359
<v Speaker 2>mouse studies, and it wasn't about what happens when you

583
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:50.759
<v Speaker 2>remove a Y chromosome from a cell. It was an

584
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<v Speaker 2>experiment to test a new gene therapy where you can

585
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:55.960
<v Speaker 2>replace a disordered chromosome with a whole, new, healthy one.

586
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<v Speaker 2>And as part of this procedure, they did also replace

587
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<v Speaker 2>a Y chromome with an X in those mice. Sorry,

588
00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:03.640
<v Speaker 2>not in the mice, we didn't even get that far.

589
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:06.400
<v Speaker 2>It was mouse stem cells. Once again, though I will

590
00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:08.839
<v Speaker 2>acknowledge that I am out of my depth here. I

591
00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:11.359
<v Speaker 2>don't know what the consequences of replacing the Y chromosome

592
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:13.759
<v Speaker 2>with an X were, nor do I understand why they

593
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:15.960
<v Speaker 2>did it. But I do understand enough to know that

594
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:18.119
<v Speaker 2>this is not even close to what this guy just described.

595
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<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying God did it this way. I have

596
00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:21.240
<v Speaker 4>no idea.

597
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, well, then consider your gold star revoked.

598
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:29.599
<v Speaker 3>But this is scientifically possible that God would have taken

599
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:31.640
<v Speaker 3>one of those stem cells, stripped away the Y, the

600
00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:34.200
<v Speaker 3>X would have replicated itself, and now he has a

601
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:37.880
<v Speaker 3>nucleus with a chrome with the right chromosomes to make

602
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:41.680
<v Speaker 3>a woman. What did he have to do from there again,

603
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:43.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying he did it this way. I have

604
00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:46.279
<v Speaker 3>no idea scientifically this is possible.

605
00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:48.839
<v Speaker 2>Ah, Given the graphic he's got up, I think I

606
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:51.039
<v Speaker 2>see what happened here. If I'm right about how he

607
00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:53.519
<v Speaker 2>got to the whole x chromosome will duplicate itself thing,

608
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:56.319
<v Speaker 2>then he is way off peace. What he's got up

609
00:27:56.359 --> 00:27:58.920
<v Speaker 2>is a diagram of somatic cell nuclear transfer, a clonal

610
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:01.440
<v Speaker 2>procedure where an excel has this nucleus removed, and the

611
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<v Speaker 2>nucleus of a somatic cell that is, any cell in

612
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:06.440
<v Speaker 2>the body aside from the sperm or egg, is implanted

613
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.400
<v Speaker 2>into the egg cell, which is then implanted into a surrogate, who,

614
00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:11.880
<v Speaker 2>if all goes well, becomes pregnant with a clone that

615
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:14.880
<v Speaker 2>is genetically identical to the organism whose somatic cells were used.

616
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:17.759
<v Speaker 2>So to me, it looks like this guy misunderstood the

617
00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:20.599
<v Speaker 2>process to be about removing specific chromosomes from a cell

618
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:23.480
<v Speaker 2>and then having other chromosomes duplicated to fill in the gap.

619
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure what he thinks surrogate you means, or

620
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:28.480
<v Speaker 2>who he thinks was the surrogate for the atom clone

621
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:31.039
<v Speaker 2>that became Eve. But given that he's hedging all of

622
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:32.799
<v Speaker 2>this by pointing out that he doesn't know if God

623
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:35.960
<v Speaker 2>actually did it this way. I don't think he cares

624
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:38.400
<v Speaker 2>enough to actually understand what he's saying, though, if he

625
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:40.559
<v Speaker 2>keeps going at this rate, he might give Matt Powell

626
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:43.759
<v Speaker 2>a run for his money when it comes to ridiculous misunderstandings. Sadly,

627
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:45.680
<v Speaker 2>he takes too long to say anything for me to

628
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.240
<v Speaker 2>put this into a montage, but he's got the basics down.

629
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<v Speaker 3>You take that nucleus from adam cell, the one that

630
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:54.799
<v Speaker 3>now has the XX for the twenty third chromosome, and

631
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:57.960
<v Speaker 3>you put it in what's called a nucleated egg cell,

632
00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:00.000
<v Speaker 3>So an eggs without that is nucleus.

633
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:02.000
<v Speaker 4>You put it right there in the nucleus.

634
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Where do he get the egg cell?

635
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:08.480
<v Speaker 3>And what what happened is you get a female that

636
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<v Speaker 3>develops from that cell.

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<v Speaker 2>Notably, this thing that you get that's developing is called

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<v Speaker 2>a zygoat. I'll acknowledge that I may have been wrong

639
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<v Speaker 2>about how he arrived at the two X chromosomes thing.

640
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:21.039
<v Speaker 2>His misunderstanding didn't quite make it to power levels. But

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<v Speaker 2>how did the zygoat turn into Eve? Did God have

642
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<v Speaker 2>a portable external uterus machine? Fired up and ready to go.

643
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<v Speaker 2>Did Adam have to wait for the newborn baby Eve

644
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<v Speaker 2>to grow up before, you know, finding out if she

645
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<v Speaker 2>was a good helper for him? And if there's time

646
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<v Speaker 2>for pregnancy, birth and growing up in the period between

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<v Speaker 2>Genesis two twenty two where God created Eve and Genesis

648
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<v Speaker 2>two twenty four, where Eve is declared to be Adam's wife,

649
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<v Speaker 2>then why could there not be billions of years in

650
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<v Speaker 2>the earlier bits of the creation story. Sure it's still

651
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<v Speaker 2>out of order, but we're already out of spot where

652
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<v Speaker 2>we're adding a whole bunch of into the Bible that

653
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<v Speaker 2>is not indicated by the text at all. So what's

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<v Speaker 2>a little metaphorical interpretation going to do at this point point?

655
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<v Speaker 4>But again, from a scientific point of view, the rib

656
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<v Speaker 4>may have been the best possible bone for God to use.

657
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<v Speaker 4>It may have been the only possible bone for God

658
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<v Speaker 4>to use to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you might be forgetting something here. He's God.

660
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<v Speaker 2>Are all things not possible for God? He could have

661
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<v Speaker 2>used Adam's nipple had he been so inclined. I really

662
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<v Speaker 2>don't get why you insist on trying to stuff science

663
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<v Speaker 2>into this part of the Bible will ignoring the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that your interpretation of the rest of the story is

665
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<v Speaker 2>completely contradicted by science.

666
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<v Speaker 4>Very very fascinating. So again, this is a theory.

667
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<v Speaker 2>No, it isn't. Scientifically speaking. You've got a hypothesis at best,

668
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:42.519
<v Speaker 2>and that's being generous. It's really more of a yarn

669
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<v Speaker 2>and pushpin conspiracy board type of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>What do we say about theories We hold firmly to scripture,

671
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<v Speaker 3>we hold loosely to theories.

672
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<v Speaker 4>I'm not married to this theory at all.

673
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<v Speaker 2>Good because it's wrong. But you calling it a theory

674
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<v Speaker 2>does not place it anywhere close to the same level

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<v Speaker 2>as the theory of evolution.

676
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:05.319
<v Speaker 3>All right, let's talk about a snake with legs again.

677
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<v Speaker 3>Our biblical worldview demands that we start with scripture. What

678
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<v Speaker 3>does the scripture have to say about snakes and this

679
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.079
<v Speaker 3>idea that they may have had legs? In Genesis three fourteen,

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<v Speaker 3>then the Lord God said to the serpent, because you

681
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<v Speaker 3>have done this, cursed, are you more than all the livestock,

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<v Speaker 3>and more than any animal of the field. On your

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<v Speaker 3>belly you shall go and dust you shall eat all

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<v Speaker 3>the days of your life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, notably, there is no indication here that the snake

686
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<v Speaker 2>is anything other than just an ordinary run of the

687
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:36.920
<v Speaker 2>mill talking snake. It is cursed above all the live stock.

688
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:39.599
<v Speaker 2>It is not cursed above all of the other fallen angels.

689
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<v Speaker 2>This is an ideological myth, a story that's used to

690
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<v Speaker 2>explain something's origins. Snakes crawl on their bellies and try

691
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.039
<v Speaker 2>to bite people because God cursed them for convincing the

692
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:49.240
<v Speaker 2>humans to disobey God.

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<v Speaker 3>Now when I read this, I picture before this happened

694
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<v Speaker 3>that snakes had legs.

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00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Fun fact, snakes actually grow tiny little leg buds in

696
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:02.640
<v Speaker 2>their embryos development. They stop growing and get reabsorbed. But yeah,

697
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:05.559
<v Speaker 2>snakes begin their lives with legs, which I think is

698
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.599
<v Speaker 2>a really cool example of evolution in action. Snakes are

699
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<v Speaker 2>classified as tetrapods. Tetrapod literally means four footed bonus. This

700
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.279
<v Speaker 2>is how the more science minded Christians can make evolution

701
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:17.799
<v Speaker 2>fit with the Bible and even pretend that this represents

702
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:20.920
<v Speaker 2>some advanced scientific knowledge on display. God knew that the

703
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.599
<v Speaker 2>snakes of our time are descended from animals that had legs,

704
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:26.240
<v Speaker 2>and that they grow little leg buds during their development,

705
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:28.720
<v Speaker 2>so he told us that that's what we'd find thousands

706
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:31.799
<v Speaker 2>of years ago when Genesis was written. It's not much,

707
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:34.000
<v Speaker 2>but honestly, that's way more impressive than anything else I've

708
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.559
<v Speaker 2>seen touted as science in the Bible. But usually the

709
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:39.200
<v Speaker 2>people most interested in finding science in the Bible also

710
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:42.240
<v Speaker 2>deny evolution, so they can't use it without bringing attention

711
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.119
<v Speaker 2>to some key aspects of evolution, like how legs are

712
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.279
<v Speaker 2>closely related to the hawk's genes, which can have a

713
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:49.400
<v Speaker 2>massive impact on the body plan of an animal with

714
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:53.319
<v Speaker 2>relatively minor changes. To oversimplify, when making a snake longer,

715
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.119
<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of little bits that need to

716
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:57.599
<v Speaker 2>be added. You need to add another vertebra, It needs

717
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:00.720
<v Speaker 2>to be connected with blood, vessels, muscles, and nerves other things.

718
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<v Speaker 2>The odds of all the mutations needed to do all

719
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:06.279
<v Speaker 2>of that again at all the same time are negligible

720
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:09.240
<v Speaker 2>to the point of impossibility. But with some fairly minor

721
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:11.799
<v Speaker 2>changes to the hawks gens, instead of having to mutate

722
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:14.240
<v Speaker 2>the genetic material to result in a whole new system

723
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.000
<v Speaker 2>of vertebrae, it can just say, do another one of

724
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:19.480
<v Speaker 2>those bits and copy the whole thing in one go.

725
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:20.720
<v Speaker 4>And I don't know.

726
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:23.920
<v Speaker 3>For many many years, Christians have been ridiculed about this idea.

727
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<v Speaker 2>Snakes with legs, Yeah, I have occasionally poke fun at

728
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:29.680
<v Speaker 2>the snake with legs thing, but generally I focus more

729
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:32.319
<v Speaker 2>on the fact that it's a talking snake because I

730
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:34.079
<v Speaker 2>feel like that's the bigger issue here.

731
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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, maybe I'm missing the elephant in the room.

732
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:39.599
<v Speaker 3>The snake talked, right, Well, Kim, are you gonna address that?

733
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:41.559
<v Speaker 3>I get asked this question a lot. No, I'm not

734
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:42.319
<v Speaker 3>going to address that.

735
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<v Speaker 2>Why Probably because snakes don't have anything even remotely resembling

736
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:47.519
<v Speaker 2>vocal cords, so you wouldn't have been able to pretend

737
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:50.079
<v Speaker 2>that you found something sciency that supports that. But you

738
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:52.880
<v Speaker 2>can find sciencey stuff that talks about snakes having had

739
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:55.519
<v Speaker 2>legs in the past. So if you ignore the ninety

740
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<v Speaker 2>nine percent of it that has to do with evolution,

741
00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.079
<v Speaker 2>you can pretend like that makes the genesis story he

742
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:03.079
<v Speaker 2>seems significantly plausible. Or that's my guess. At any rate,

743
00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:04.640
<v Speaker 2>I haven't actually watched ahead yet.

744
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:08.480
<v Speaker 3>It is supernatural for an animal to talk. That's outside

745
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:10.719
<v Speaker 3>of nature. I don't need to come up with some

746
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:13.639
<v Speaker 3>kind of scientific explanation for something that's supernatural.

747
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:14.920
<v Speaker 4>Not even going to try to go there.

748
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Then, why did you bring up cloning when talking about

749
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:20.599
<v Speaker 2>making Eve out of Adam's rib Was that not supernatural?

750
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.840
<v Speaker 2>You really think that God had an external uterus machine

751
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:25.760
<v Speaker 2>of some kind to grow an embryo, and that Atom

752
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:28.639
<v Speaker 2>waited for the child to grow up before marrying her. Actually,

753
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:30.480
<v Speaker 2>given the track record to the Bible stories, I'm being

754
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:32.840
<v Speaker 2>very generous assuming that Adam waited for her to grow up.

755
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:35.039
<v Speaker 2>But that's a whole other can of worms.

756
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:39.039
<v Speaker 3>Did you know that pythons actually have legs, kind of

757
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:41.400
<v Speaker 3>towards the rear of the skeleton, where where the hips

758
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:43.760
<v Speaker 3>should be. Now they don't have hips, but they have

759
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.400
<v Speaker 3>two legs, and they're this floating and muscle tissue.

760
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I hate being right. What am I supposed to say?

761
00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Now I've already covered this. I'm skipping ahead. I'll pop

762
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:53.719
<v Speaker 2>back in if he says anything interesting.

763
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:55.280
<v Speaker 4>But this is interesting.

764
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:58.599
<v Speaker 3>In two thousand and three, in Argentina, scientists found a

765
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<v Speaker 3>fossilized snake that had a hip and it had legs.

766
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the fossil record does show a pretty clear picture

767
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:10.239
<v Speaker 2>of the lineage that led to snakes losing their legs

768
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:13.639
<v Speaker 2>for limbs first, and then hind limbs. I'm unsure how

769
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:15.840
<v Speaker 2>that helps your case. Do you think that this snake

770
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.360
<v Speaker 2>is one that existed before God cursed snakes to not

771
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:22.119
<v Speaker 2>have legs. Also, like, why is God only mostly removing

772
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:24.559
<v Speaker 2>the legs? Did he get lazy part way through before

773
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:27.039
<v Speaker 2>deciding it was good enough? Weird that an all powerful

774
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:27.920
<v Speaker 2>God got lazy.

775
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:31.760
<v Speaker 3>But this is interesting because science used scientists still believe

776
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:33.760
<v Speaker 3>that snakes used to have legs. In fact, they think

777
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:37.840
<v Speaker 3>snakes evolved from a sea creature called a Moses sore,

778
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:40.719
<v Speaker 3>and they had these legs in the ocean, they lost

779
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:43.360
<v Speaker 3>their legs, and then they migrated onto land.

780
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:47.679
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely not. Probably snakes and Mosesaurs are in the same

781
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:50.639
<v Speaker 2>order Squamata, but that does not mean that snakes evolve

782
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:54.119
<v Speaker 2>from Mosesaurs. Squamata is basically all of the lizards. There

783
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:57.159
<v Speaker 2>are nearly twelve thousand extant species of Squamata, and while

784
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:00.440
<v Speaker 2>they do certainly share a common ancestor with Mosesaurs, probably

785
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:02.920
<v Speaker 2>did not evolve from them. Although this is a pretty

786
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:05.360
<v Speaker 2>good example of what this guy complains about with theories

787
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:08.599
<v Speaker 2>changing and whatnot, because there aren't a lot of moses

788
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Speaker 2>or specimens, so we don't know as much about them

789
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.519
<v Speaker 2>as we would like, so there is an ongoing scientific

790
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:16.440
<v Speaker 2>debate about their placement on the taxonomic tree, and while

791
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:19.199
<v Speaker 2>snakes being descended from Mosesaurs is one of the less

792
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:21.719
<v Speaker 2>likely options, it is in fact an option.

793
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:25.679
<v Speaker 3>However, this is just to show you how fluid some

794
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:29.159
<v Speaker 3>of these theories are. This is a land snake, it's

795
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:30.199
<v Speaker 3>not a marine snake.

796
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:33.239
<v Speaker 2>Fun fact, I thought that it was pretty well established

797
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:35.679
<v Speaker 2>that snakes did not descend from Mosesaurs going into this,

798
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:38.519
<v Speaker 2>so I had a whole paragraph written about how they

799
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:41.639
<v Speaker 2>totally didn't. It's preposterous that you would even think that.

800
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Come on, man, there are great examples of us updating

801
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:47.639
<v Speaker 2>our understanding when we get new information. But this ain't it. Well,

802
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:51.079
<v Speaker 2>then I discovered that I was wrong. Yeah, most relevant

803
00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:54.320
<v Speaker 2>scientists will tell you that snakes probably didn't descend from Mosesaurs.

804
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:56.519
<v Speaker 2>But the answer is much less sure than I thought

805
00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:59.280
<v Speaker 2>it was. Given this new information that I learned, should

806
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<v Speaker 2>I have remain firm in my initial conviction in order

807
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:05.280
<v Speaker 2>to avoid changing my theory? Or is it perhaps a

808
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:07.480
<v Speaker 2>good thing that I was willing to acknowledge that I

809
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:09.880
<v Speaker 2>was wrong about something and so update it to be

810
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.880
<v Speaker 2>correct when presented with new information. I would suggest that

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00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:15.519
<v Speaker 2>the thing you are presenting as a problem. The fluidity

812
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.400
<v Speaker 2>of our theories is actually their main strength. When a

813
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:21.079
<v Speaker 2>scientist learns that they were wrong about something, that is

814
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:24.159
<v Speaker 2>exciting because now they're one step closer to being right,

815
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:26.760
<v Speaker 2>and they understand more about how the world works than

816
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:29.639
<v Speaker 2>before they began their work. But you are stuck with

817
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:32.840
<v Speaker 2>your interpretation of genesis. So instead of learning cool newsh

818
00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:34.880
<v Speaker 2>you have to either figure out how it fits in

819
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.519
<v Speaker 2>with your predetermined conclusions, or else figure out how to

820
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:39.840
<v Speaker 2>pretend that the cool news is actually wrong.

821
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:43.039
<v Speaker 3>Though, and yet it had legs, it had a hip bone.

822
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:46.039
<v Speaker 3>So their theory needs to be changed. And this is

823
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:49.320
<v Speaker 3>why we hold firmly to scripture. We owed loosely to

824
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:51.719
<v Speaker 3>theories because theories change all the time.

825
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:56.039
<v Speaker 2>Hey, hey, Budy, I got some bad news for you

826
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:59.239
<v Speaker 2>about scripture. Not only do we know that it's been

827
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:02.440
<v Speaker 2>changing as an scribes copied out, but every time a

828
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<v Speaker 2>new organization decides to do a new translation of the

829
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:08.119
<v Speaker 2>Bible or an old organization issues an update to their translation,

830
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:11.800
<v Speaker 2>scripture is changing. As far as I can tell, he's

831
00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:14.280
<v Speaker 2>been using the NRSV Bible, the first version of which

832
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:17.800
<v Speaker 2>was published in nineteen eighty nine. It is very different

833
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:20.119
<v Speaker 2>from the Tindale Bible, which is largely credited with being

834
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:22.360
<v Speaker 2>the first English translation and was published in the early

835
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.840
<v Speaker 2>fifteen hundreds. Scripture changed in those four hundred and fifty years.

836
00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:28.400
<v Speaker 2>So which one should we be holding firmly to?

837
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:32.760
<v Speaker 3>And why very very fluid these these theories of evolution?

838
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:36.320
<v Speaker 3>Why is that because we have no direct observation into

839
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:39.000
<v Speaker 3>the past. All we have is fossil evidence.

840
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:41.199
<v Speaker 2>I hate to break it to you, buddy, but fossil

841
00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:44.719
<v Speaker 2>evidence is literally direct observation into the past. What do

842
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.880
<v Speaker 2>you think of fossil is exactly Okay.

843
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:49.679
<v Speaker 3>The last thing I'm going to look at here is

844
00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:55.360
<v Speaker 3>the global flood. This is perhaps the biggest one, I think,

845
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:59.440
<v Speaker 3>next to creation on Christians maybe hanging their head down

846
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:01.800
<v Speaker 3>a little bit. Are feeling a little a little strange

847
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:03.519
<v Speaker 3>about talking about the global flood?

848
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:06.480
<v Speaker 4>You don't need to do that. There's so much evidence.

849
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:08.880
<v Speaker 3>You think if the world was covered with water, there

850
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:10.360
<v Speaker 3>would be evidence.

851
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Correct, But instead we find a bunch of evidence demonstrating

852
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:15.840
<v Speaker 2>about such an event did not occur, some of which

853
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:17.639
<v Speaker 2>I went over in the video whose thumbnail should be

854
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:20.239
<v Speaker 2>popping on screen now link is in the description for that,

855
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:21.880
<v Speaker 2>as well as the curd.

856
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:22.079
<v Speaker 4>In the corner.

857
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:23.800
<v Speaker 2>I think it's this corner that you can click on

858
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:25.039
<v Speaker 2>and it'll take you to that video.

859
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:27.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh, there's plenty of evidence, but we're gonna look at one.

860
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.559
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna look at one today. That should be enough.

861
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:34.400
<v Speaker 4>Again, we go to scripture worldview for.

862
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:36.679
<v Speaker 3>After seven more days, I will send rain on the

863
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:39.239
<v Speaker 3>earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will

864
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:42.400
<v Speaker 3>wipe out from the face of the land every living

865
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:44.960
<v Speaker 3>thing that I have made.

866
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:49.239
<v Speaker 2>So if your worldview is actually correct, then God is

867
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:51.519
<v Speaker 2>a genocidal monster, got it.

868
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.960
<v Speaker 3>This is a catastrophic event. There must be some kind

869
00:39:56.000 --> 00:40:00.320
<v Speaker 3>of evidence that was left behind and to and again

870
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:04.119
<v Speaker 3>looking at this evidence, we need to understand about a tiny,

871
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:06.559
<v Speaker 3>tiny little creature called foraminifera.

872
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:08.599
<v Speaker 2>Once again, I am going to summarize what he says

873
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:10.360
<v Speaker 2>for you in order to save some time. But these

874
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:12.559
<v Speaker 2>guys do essentially the same thing as the coco lithophors

875
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:15.280
<v Speaker 2>that I've talked about before do. They are microscopic marine

876
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:17.960
<v Speaker 2>organisms that form hardshells that when they die, collect on

877
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.599
<v Speaker 2>the seafloor in a calcareous ooze that, given the right

878
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:23.440
<v Speaker 2>conditions and enough time, will turn into chalk. So regarding

879
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:25.519
<v Speaker 2>how long this process takes, he says.

880
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:27.679
<v Speaker 4>And this is a very very slow process.

881
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:29.760
<v Speaker 3>When we look at this process today, we think it

882
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:33.639
<v Speaker 3>happens at about the rate of point zero zero eight

883
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:34.440
<v Speaker 3>inches a year.

884
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:36.639
<v Speaker 4>So what does that mean.

885
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:39.840
<v Speaker 3>That means in a thousand years you would have eight

886
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:41.559
<v Speaker 3>inches of this sediment build up.

887
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:42.559
<v Speaker 4>It's very very slow.

888
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:47.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, takes a long ass time. So please don't tell

889
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:49.400
<v Speaker 2>me he's about to bring up the massive thick chalk

890
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:52.360
<v Speaker 2>beds that exist all over the world. I kind of

891
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:55.000
<v Speaker 2>think that definitively proves the idea of nose flood wrong.

892
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:57.360
<v Speaker 2>They are way too thick to have formed in a

893
00:40:57.400 --> 00:40:58.679
<v Speaker 2>single year long flood.

894
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:02.239
<v Speaker 4>This why chalk is found on a lot of different continents.

895
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:03.159
<v Speaker 4>I have some listed here.

896
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:07.039
<v Speaker 3>It's found all over North America's found in Europe, Ireland, Poland, Germany,

897
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:10.320
<v Speaker 3>Turkey down south to Israel. It's found on the Australian continent.

898
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:13.920
<v Speaker 3>In the US, it's found from Nebraska to Texas and

899
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:18.039
<v Speaker 3>from Georgia or Alabamas used me to Colorado.

900
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:20.719
<v Speaker 4>So big, big geographic areas of this white chalk.

901
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:25.000
<v Speaker 3>And it only forms as marine sediments in other words,

902
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:25.960
<v Speaker 3>and only forms in water.

903
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and as you already pointed out, it does so

904
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:31.079
<v Speaker 2>extremely slowly.

905
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:34.599
<v Speaker 3>And when we find these chalk layers in all these

906
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:38.320
<v Speaker 3>different places around the globe, they have the same type

907
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:42.280
<v Speaker 3>of fossils, and we see the same types of layers

908
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:46.800
<v Speaker 3>above and below them. This is a strong indication that

909
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:51.159
<v Speaker 3>the entire Earth was underwater at the same time.

910
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:54.280
<v Speaker 2>It occurred in a lot of places. Does not mean

911
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:57.000
<v Speaker 2>that it occurred in all the places. Just look at

912
00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.280
<v Speaker 2>where it's happening now. I forget whether I cut it out.

913
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:02.519
<v Speaker 2>But when does ribing the little microscopic guys whose skeletons

914
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:04.639
<v Speaker 2>make up chalk, he pointed out that they are in

915
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:08.519
<v Speaker 2>every sea and ocean on the planet. So that's over

916
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:10.920
<v Speaker 2>seventy percent of the surface of the Earth that could

917
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:14.679
<v Speaker 2>potentially be forming chalk right now. That does not mean

918
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:18.159
<v Speaker 2>that the entire Earth is currently flooded. There's also the

919
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:21.119
<v Speaker 2>problem of biomass. If enough of these organisms were alive

920
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:24.719
<v Speaker 2>simultaneously to form that amount of chalk, then they are

921
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:27.039
<v Speaker 2>all that would have been able to survive on the Earth.

922
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.519
<v Speaker 2>And that's being generous. They actually choke themselves out as well,

923
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:32.960
<v Speaker 2>and that's without even getting into all of the other

924
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:35.000
<v Speaker 2>organic limestone that would have to have been formed in

925
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:36.920
<v Speaker 2>the same flood event. I ran the numbers on that

926
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:38.559
<v Speaker 2>a while ago, and while I'm not going to show

927
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:40.760
<v Speaker 2>the calculations again, here link in the description if you

928
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.159
<v Speaker 2>want to see that, I will share the results, being

929
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:45.639
<v Speaker 2>extremely conservative and then cutting the final number and a

930
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:48.320
<v Speaker 2>half just to be extra generous to the creationists. You

931
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:51.519
<v Speaker 2>would need eleven and a half earths whose surfaces are

932
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:54.599
<v Speaker 2>entirely covered with Empire state buildings filled to the brim

933
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:57.280
<v Speaker 2>with snails in order to have enough material to form

934
00:42:57.320 --> 00:42:59.599
<v Speaker 2>all of the organic limestone that creationists say had to

935
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:01.639
<v Speaker 2>have been the result of Noah's flood. You're going to

936
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:03.920
<v Speaker 2>need more than a few large rock formations that were

937
00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:06.480
<v Speaker 2>formed in water to overcome the biomass problem.

938
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.000
<v Speaker 3>So in this sediment, the picture that I've just shown,

939
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:11.960
<v Speaker 3>we find some very interesting mix of fossils. Six and

940
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:15.480
<v Speaker 3>a half foot tall birds. That's a huge bird, right,

941
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:17.800
<v Speaker 3>not talking about an ostrich or an ema or anything

942
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:21.039
<v Speaker 3>like that, talking about just a normal bird. Twenty foot

943
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:23.760
<v Speaker 3>long fish. If you're fishermen, you'd love to catch something

944
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:30.119
<v Speaker 3>like that. Thirty foot dinosaurs, thirteen foot wide oysters. Imagine

945
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:32.199
<v Speaker 3>the pearl it might be inside some of those things.

946
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:38.199
<v Speaker 3>I find mosasaurs nearly fifty feet long, an plesiosaurs, all

947
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:40.360
<v Speaker 3>these different things in the same sediments.

948
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:42.760
<v Speaker 4>What are they have in common?

949
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.280
<v Speaker 2>I know they're all extinct species that can only ever

950
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:49.000
<v Speaker 2>been found in the layers that are approximately the same

951
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:51.119
<v Speaker 2>age as each other. Almost like all of those things

952
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 2>can exist simultaneously and sometimes get fossilized.

953
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:55.800
<v Speaker 4>I think I just gave it away.

954
00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:59.480
<v Speaker 3>They're found in Kansas in the same sediment the same

955
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:00.360
<v Speaker 3>Chalky said.

956
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:02.639
<v Speaker 4>It in Kansas. Now I think about this.

957
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:06.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm always telling people to be critical thinkers, ask questions,

958
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:08.760
<v Speaker 3>be curious, no matter what you're being taught.

959
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, the first words out of your mouth after introducing

960
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:14.320
<v Speaker 2>yourself in this video, where about how we need to

961
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:16.519
<v Speaker 2>not do that with scripture. Why do you have a

962
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:17.440
<v Speaker 2>double standard here?

963
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:18.840
<v Speaker 4>Ask the questions.

964
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:21.239
<v Speaker 3>If you don't understand something, something doesn't make sense, ask

965
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:25.840
<v Speaker 3>the questions. And particularly when it comes to evolutionary ideology,

966
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:28.440
<v Speaker 3>we need to ask these questions. And the question I

967
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:33.960
<v Speaker 3>would ask here is, since when do land dwelling dinosaurs, air,

968
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:39.320
<v Speaker 3>flying birds, fish? When did these live in the same

969
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:41.639
<v Speaker 3>environment to be buried together at the same time.

970
00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:44.559
<v Speaker 2>They didn't, but they did live at the same time.

971
00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:46.840
<v Speaker 2>And the thing with fossils and chalk is that the

972
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:50.440
<v Speaker 2>non marine ones like dinosaurs and birds are incredibly rare.

973
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Most fossils are of organisms that died in their own environment,

974
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:56.519
<v Speaker 2>but sometimes catastrophic events can mix the environments a little bit,

975
00:44:56.800 --> 00:44:59.039
<v Speaker 2>and so you get a land dwelling creature whose remains

976
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:01.840
<v Speaker 2>were swept out to sea, resulting in land dinosaur fossils

977
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:05.320
<v Speaker 2>in chalk. Again, though this is incredibly rare. By far,

978
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:07.800
<v Speaker 2>the most common fossils that you find in chalk are marine,

979
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:10.719
<v Speaker 2>not just marine, but primarily the types of marine creatures

980
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:12.960
<v Speaker 2>that lived on the seafloor rather than higher up in

981
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:16.239
<v Speaker 2>the water column. So yeah, neat fact not evidence for

982
00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:16.840
<v Speaker 2>nose flood.

983
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:21.199
<v Speaker 3>Here's one from Michael Tice. He says, we are talking

984
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:24.679
<v Speaker 3>about a time talking about the Earth's past when if

985
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:27.679
<v Speaker 3>you are looking at the Earth from space, you would

986
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:31.239
<v Speaker 3>hardly see any land mass at all. It would have

987
00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:35.360
<v Speaker 3>almost been an ocean world. When we go to the museums,

988
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:38.679
<v Speaker 3>when we open up the textbooks, when our kids are

989
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:42.199
<v Speaker 3>learning about these things in school, they're not learning this.

990
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.360
<v Speaker 2>Are you really quoting a professor at a school who

991
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:48.760
<v Speaker 2>teaches this to support the idea that nobody is teaching this.

992
00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:50.679
<v Speaker 2>This is like when people post links to news articles

993
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.880
<v Speaker 2>along with a complaint that nobody's covering this. That's not

994
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:57.360
<v Speaker 2>how that works anyway. Just read the quote again, will you.

995
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.840
<v Speaker 2>He is not saying that the entire earth covered with water.

996
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:03.360
<v Speaker 2>He's saying that most of it is covered with water.

997
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Most is not all and mostly covered in water for

998
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:12.000
<v Speaker 2>a few million years. Is not totally covered in water

999
00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:14.960
<v Speaker 2>for one year. Anyway, I'm done with this guy. He

1000
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:17.480
<v Speaker 2>rambles on for a bit more, but honestly he bores me.

1001
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Today's common of the day comes just from Andrew Bolesworth

1002
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<v Speaker 2>nine two eight eight, who says, if the next time

1003
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:24.599
<v Speaker 2>I click on you and you're still wearing those glasses,

1004
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:29.840
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1010
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<v Speaker 2>me stuff my po box addresses in the description see

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<v Speaker 2>and next time weird. That weird that an omnipotent god

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<v Speaker 2>weird that had weird that an omnipotent god weird that

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<v Speaker 2>an omnipotent god weird that an omnipotent god weird, that

1028
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.679
<v Speaker 2>n omnipotent god weird that an omnipotent god weird that

1029
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<v Speaker 2>an omnipotent god weird that an Omnippian giant ah weird

1030
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:07.039
<v Speaker 2>that an all powerful god got lazy. Oh I got lazy,

1031
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:11.400
<v Speaker 2>but I'm not all powerful. Dairy helped me. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>now it started again.