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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Good Trouble Show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Matt Ford.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest has spent six years interviewing every major witness, researcher,

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and insider in the UFO world over a thousand podcast episodes,

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and now he's picked the thirty cases that actually matter

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and put them into one book.

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Speaker 2: His podcast is that UFO podcast.

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Speaker 1: His new book is called Atlas of Unidentified Flying Objects

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and Unidentified Nominalistnamas. Everyone can see that there without the

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glare anyway. Please welcome to the show. Andy mcgrillan, Andy,

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how are you, sir?

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Speaker 3: Good morning, afternoon evening, Matt wherever you are, what our

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time zone folks are, and I'm very well. Thanks for

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having me.

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Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent little thanks, thanks, thanks for joining us. So

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I have been a fan of your show for quite

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some time. Your interview style is absolutely fantastic. I love

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the guests and your show is definitely on my regular

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list of shows that I definitely listen to. So thanks,

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thanks for coming on the show. So this is your

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first time on the show. Tell us a bit about yourself,

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where did you grow up, what's your sort of background,

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and then we'll get into the whole thing of how

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you got into this whole UFO business.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, thank you for the kind words, obviously. So

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my name is Andy mcgrillan. I am quite clearly not

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from the US. I was born and raised in Glasgow, Scotland,

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and that's part of the UK, and yesterday there. Most

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of my life, the last thirteen years I've lived in

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the northeast of England, just outside of a place called Newcastle.

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And yeah, as a kid, always had a big interest

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in the UFO topic.

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Speaker 4: Generally you'd call them mysteries. I suppose.

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Speaker 3: As a kid, I used to be really into like

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the Locknest Monster, the Pyramids of Egypt, UFOs, not so

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much ghosts. That always scared me and still does so.

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I'm not a big fan of the ghost topic. That

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not through any lack of belief, but just I don't

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want to see any so you know, don't send any

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of my way, folks. And yet I had a sighting

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when I was about.

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Speaker 4: Ten and eleven years old. Want me to talk about

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that just now? Yeah, yeah, go on ahead, Yeah why not?

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Speaker 3: So? Yeah, I used to go to the Boys Brigade

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in the UK and that's similar to like a Scouts

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type organization and leaving the church one night. I always

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have to preface I'm not religious. They just host these

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things in churches. And I was crossing the road in

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a really busy area with four other people, my mum,

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my sister, my friend and his mum, And it was

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like a winter's night, late October November time in Glasgow,

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clear sky. But this object wasn't high up in the sky,

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about half a mile a long, a really busy road,

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no fearn countryside, all houses and shops that were opening,

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cars driving up and down. There was a kind of

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big sports field and just sort of behind that you

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could see almost like a ferris wheel, but it was

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tilted at an angle about maybe thirty degrees twenty five

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degrees something like that, spinning incredibly fast. Now, if it

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was a ferris wheel, everyone was dead because of the

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speed this thing was going, or they would have been

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thrown off it. And besides, it was so local to

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where I lived. It was the mid nineties. You would

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have known if there was something like that on in

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the area, and I wasn't. You couldn't even see the

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bottom of this object for the houses and trees, that's

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how kind of close it was.

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Speaker 4: And we kind of saw it. We looked at it

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Speaker 3: And I remember my mum and my friend's mum thinking

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and saying, that looks weird. I thought, wow, that looks

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like a big ufo on its side. It couldn't make

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out if I said it was a flying saucer, I'd

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be lying. Just it was kind of saucer ish in

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shape on its side, with the lights going round and

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round really fast. And we didn't stay for too long.

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other direction. If this was at two o'clock, we lived

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at ten o'clock, and we headed on home. And yeah,

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that all was stuck with me to this day, I

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Speaker 1: So does your mom still talk about this particular incident.

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Speaker 3: She will talk about it. She doesn't remember much other

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than we saw something weird. It's funny anyone who was

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with me that night. My friend too. I'm not really

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in touch with our Facebook friends, you know, as many

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Speaker 4: Thirty odd years on.

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Speaker 3: I asked him about it a few years ago when

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I started the podcast, and he says he remembers it,

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but not too much. Couldn't tell you exactly what he saw.

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My sister says something similar, saw some strange object, couldn't

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draw it down. I tend to remember most of the detail.

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I remember it really clearly, still in my memory. Some

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folks might raise an eyebrow and say, isn't that convenient

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for a UFO podcast host? That memory for me, however,

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has never changed, and for yeah, it's kind of stuck

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Speaker 1: It's interesting you hear that so much from so many people,

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especially a kind of group siding where one person remembers

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one thing and another person may be recalled seeing something

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completely different than same with the third. But also what

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is interesting is what you're pointing out. You will often

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hear one person will vividly remember the entire thing, but

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then other people will be like, yeah, I don't really

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kind of remember what I saw or was a little

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bit fuzzy. It's I just think it's really fascinating. I

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don't know if it's if it's an issue of like

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how people process it or whether they think it was

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like a big deal, But yeah, that's really something else.

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seen anything anomaloists prior to that, Like, did it any

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indication that it runs in the family.

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Speaker 3: Nah, she is not interested in the UFO topic whatsoever.

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of that. She's very proud she knows I do a podcast.

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I think if I asked her what's my podcast called,

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she wouldn't have any idea. If you ask about the

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subject of UFO, she'll say, well, there must be something

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out there, but I don't believe these things are coming here.

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Speaker 4: That's as far as her interest goes. So yeah, nothing ever.

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Speaker 3: Going back, my interest in all the kind of weird

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stuff that I was into growing up as a kid

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that was quite geeky would come from my gran no

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sightings that remember, and she passed away a few years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I was about nine when I really

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sort of became interested in all that kind of stuff.

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Locknext Lockness Monster. I was very fascinated by that whole thing,

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and then of course Bigfoot and whatnot. So andy, when

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did you decide to start a podcast about this whole issue?

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And you know what made you pull the trigger. Was

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there one thing that you said, you know what, it's

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time to do this thing?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just the money I could see in UFOs Matt.

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Speaker 2: No, it's a get rich quick scheme.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I see you're a fellow grifter as well, so.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, I'm grifting my arse off in this cold shed.

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So the UFO thing COVID basically around March twenty twenty.

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I'll always say I could talk about podcasts all day

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and drive away your whole audience tonight, but we won't

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do that. I've been a fan of the podcast format

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since I was really young, and it first came out

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what fifteen years ago. I think the first kind of

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podcasts sprung up around roundabout then. Ricky Gervais had one

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of the first big ones. I used to listen to

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a lot of radio growing up as a really young child.

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I would listen to a lot of music on the radio,

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and then around two thousand, two thousand and one, I

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found talk radio stations in the UK, so this is

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still around the burgeoning days of the Internet and getting

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AOL discs in the post. I started listening to kind

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of late night talk sport. They would they would go

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into political affairs, the Iraq War kicked off after nine

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to eleven, things like that. So I've always been a

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fan of radio. Podcasting for me is on demand radio,

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That's what it is. So big fan of the format

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and always had that thing of I'd love to start

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a podcast one day. It seems like any old idiot

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can do it, so why couldn't I, but never decided

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to do it. And then around around the first couple

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of weeks of COVID, as people started talking about this

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is getting bad, we might go into a lockdown. There

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was all those videos online in the UK of the

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army preparing for whatever it was going to be. I thought,

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do you know what? It was my birthday around that time, March,

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middle of March, and I bought a microphone with my birthday,

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and I thought, this is either going to sit in

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a box in my room, never be used and I'll

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sell it in a month's time, or if indeed we

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do have a couple of weeks coming up of free time,

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then this is the only time I'm ever going to

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start a podcast, if I'm going to do it. So

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sure enough that the microphone sat in the box for

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about a month, and then as the lockdown was extended

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out and we realized we were going to have a

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little bit more time. I still worked. I wasn't fur loughed.

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I've got a full time job, the same one I

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had then I have now. I decided for a hobby.

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Do you know what, let's give this a go. I

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remember the day I was driving down the street deciding

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was it going to be Football slash Soccer or UFOs?

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but not quite as many on UFOs, and I started

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reaching out to guests.

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Speaker 4: Sadly, Nick Pope was one of the.

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Speaker 3: First people I emailed, who's just passed away, very well

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known name. He gave me a very polite decline, but

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he at least replied it was very much. He was

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really busy, and I didn't even have a name for

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the podcast at this point, just that I wanted to

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interview someone, so I thought, who have I seen on

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some documentaries? But they haven't had too much exposure? Someone

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no offense, lower level. You know, if you want to

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start a soccer podcast, Matt, you want to speak to

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Ronaldo and MESSI, don't you? But they're not coming on

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your first episode with no one listening, so you have

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to look for someone newer to the game, someone lower level,

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YouTube and I think he'd done like two interviews. One

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of them he was standing on a beach and it

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Speaker 4: The other was unidentified.

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Speaker 3: So I reached out to him and Gary really kindly

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said he would come on with no audience, no title,

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and sort of from there it was Sean ky Hill

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was episode two, Jason Gleaves from the UK was episode three,

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and then come episode seven, I managed to get Nick

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to it because due to bandwidth issues on Nick's end,

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the audio is almost criminal to listen to. I swear

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they would play in guant animal be to torture people.

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We all make a lot of mistakes with these things.

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as COVID kind of subsided and we had that big

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mine and it's here. We are, almost six years later

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to the day. Probably in a couple of weeks it'll

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be six years, like you say, almost a thousand episodes.

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It's been fun, it's hard work. It is my main

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job essentially now. I still do work full time aside

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from it. But yeah, it's a really interesting subject, very

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close to my heart, incredibly frustrating, incredibly interesting.

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Speaker 4: There's so much to it.

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Speaker 3: There's so many questions, and I think what's happened in

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the United States from twenty seventeen to now with the

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political progress has been a real eye opener. And yes,

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people like yourself coming on the shows are looking better,

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are getting more professional, and someone like me sitting here

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in a shed with a tumble dryer behind us black curtain,

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is just kind of along for the ride.

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Speaker 4: To throw in my two cents.

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of stuff, but if you're not a good host and

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you don't have good guests, uh, you know, those are

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the two most important things in my book, And that's

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why I've always admired your work because you're I love

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your interview style as I as I said earlier, and

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first big, big guest. I've never told this publicly. I

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went to the Soul Foundation and I, you know, and

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I completely understand what you mean. It's very you're not

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going to like book President Obama on your first your

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first podcast. So uh So I was at the Soul

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Foundation and I got up at like second second uh

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talk or whatever that started that morning, and I get

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up to go to the men's room and I'm going

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there doing my thing at the you know, at the urinal,

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and I look over and who walks up but Gary Nolan,

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doctor Gary Nolan. So I start talking to him and

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I just said, hey, would you like to come on

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my show? Right in the men's room. And He's like sure,

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connections can can sort of come about. I'm curious who

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the UAP UFO thing, were there any in particular that

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were inspirational to you?

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say there was anyone inspirational. More ego to see if

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they if people can do this, and I mean all

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genres of podcasting I would listen to. I listened to

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a lot of grassroots podcasts. People who had fifty downloads

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stuff that I really enjoyed. It's almost like finding a

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band before it gets popular when you like the early stuff.

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I was just a guest on that the other night.

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would listen to. Nil deGrasse Tyson's Star Talk before he

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Infinite Monkey Cage. If anyone's aware of that in the US,

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and I think I had a little bit of that

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when I do an interviewer, and I'm sure people do

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this mat with you or when they're listening to me,

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that they would be like, Oh, I wish you would

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ask this question, or do you know what, Matt, you

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should have asked this question? Why didn't you ask it?

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you missed that off. And I was that guy thinking, well,

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do you know what? Why don't I put my money

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where my mouth is and I'll ask those questions. And

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I still have the notepads from the first shows, and

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I'm still and I'm still a notepad and pen guy,

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like I'm old school. As much I've got all this

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wonderful technology around me now with PCs and max and

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stuff like that, I still like to do that. So

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I thought I could do this, and I jotted down

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a whole host of bullet points, and that's how it

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kicked off and how I still can I do it now.

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I don't think in six years, as much as the

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quality has got better, it sounds better, it looks better,

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as much as YouTube people have to see this face

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that's had apologies for that, folks, it's it's still I

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think got the same the same kind of tone it

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had when it started, and I think that probably people

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who have been around from some beginning will appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: I think I would agree.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious, when you started this, did you have any

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idea that you would be where you are today in

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terms of one of the biggest UFO podcasts in the world.

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Speaker 2: Did you see that coming at all?

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like being the nicest guy in prison, isn't it. I

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think sure, it depends how that lands with you, and

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I'm sure Jesse Michael's, Chris Ramsey and others would say

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about that, But no, I didn't think. You couldn't imagine

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it would ever get popular. I remember day one, two

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people listening to the podcast. On day one, one of

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them is me checking the episode had gone out, okay,

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it was like ten downloads and then fifty downloads, and

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after a month I had like two thousand downloads, which

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was my wife thought was ridiculous. This stupid little hobby

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that I was doing was gaining traction. And then I

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remember like, I don't mind. The numbers are all relative,

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and if anyone's out there starting their own show, and

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whether you get ten downloads or a million downloads, great,

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you know someone's choosing to listen to you. You should be

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happy with that. Success is relative. But I remember having

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like eighty thousand downloads after the end of the first

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year and being like, wow, this is this is getting

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more popular and reputation I think helped along with that

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for whatever reason. And I remember probably that the big

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break for me was George Napp coming on. That was

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one that a lot of people seem to pick up.

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I mean you could literally look at the graph of

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my numbers and see the George Nap episode go like that,

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and people kind of stuck around, which was really nice.

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So I appreciate anyone's time who's ever given me time

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to come on the podcast. I've never paid for a guest.

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The only folks that ever asked for money were the

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Ancient Aliens Crew. Some of those no offense to them.

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I've been on that show, but I've never had to

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pay a guest. I've offered guests money. I've offered charitable

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donations if someone There are a few really high profile

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names I've not had on, but I've offered to make

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donations to to servicemen and women in the United States

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and the UK and animal charities, all that kind of

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stuff if they'll come on. So yeah, it's it's been

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an interesting journey along the six years. You see, I've

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had everyone, I've not had everyone yet. Chris Mellon's always

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said no to me a very nice way. Tom Delong's

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a bit of an illusive character for most of us,

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and Bob Blazar seems to now be on some podcasts,

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but mainly if you're out in California and a bit

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of a tech bro. But other than that, I've been

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very fortunate with the names who have chosen to come on,

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and some of the best interviewers are with the names

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that aren't quite as big and popular. I think those

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can be some of the conversations folks really miss out on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely completely agree.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you have this new book Gap that is

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just wonderful hardcover atlas of unidentified flying objects and unidentified

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anomalous phenomenon. So what made you decide to write a

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book and this is your first book?

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's the grift, Matt, it's the grift.

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Speaker 2: You have to go, yeah, big g word.

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Speaker 3: Yes, listen. I was never much Oh yeah, listen. Do

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you know what I'm not complaining about the money? The

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money was nice. I wasn't the guy who though, who

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wanted to sit down and write a book because I wanted.

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Speaker 4: To do it. Far from it.

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Speaker 3: I after the Grush coming out and the congressional hearing

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where he talked about the non human biologics that the

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craft the pilots, I was contacted by a few radio

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stations have been very fortunate in the UK over the

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years to have like a reasonable reputation that BBC and

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other big stations like that last to speak to me

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about any UF news. And with Grush coming out, I've

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done like a five minute appearance one morning and I

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kind of big BBC station. I sat in the car

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outside my house in a really cold morning while my

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wife got the I was ready for school, and off

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the back of that, I got a text message from

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a producer for BBC five Live and it was for

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host Nicky Campbell. He used to do a Wheel of

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Fortune in the UK back in the day, and they

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were like, do you want to come on this afternoon?

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and you'll be one of the quote unquote experts on

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the panel. And I said, yes, that was fine. I

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thought it was radio. It turns out it was radio

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and TV. So I had to go into my work

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and get an office and during my lunch hour, I

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sat an iPhone on top of a bunch of boxes

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and folders and recorded an hour on TV as glamorous

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it may have looked a setting. I was literally just

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recording on my iPhone. Off the back of that, a

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week later, a publisher reached out to me to say,

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are you Andy who does that UFO podcast? Yes, would

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you like to discuss an opportunity. I've been really fortunate

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to be asked to do lots of little things and

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big things over the time. I tend to listen to

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things people want to ask me, but I say no,

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to a lot of things, because I don't always think

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I'm the best guy, of the right guy for it.

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If I don't think I've got anything to add and

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I want to say yes for the sake of money

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or a couple of minutes in the spotlight, It's genuinely

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not my style. So I listened to it and they

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said they had this series Atlas of Vanishing Places paranormal places,

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and they wanted to do a UFO series, and given

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how I had spoken on radio, TV and the podcast, would

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I be interested? And from there it kind of went well.

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They were very gracious and giving me multiple deadline extensions

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to the tune of about six months book because it

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was taking me that long to do it. I had

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a really good team of people help me make it

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sound nice, make it look good. I think the book

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looks incredible. It's a proper hardback book. I would never

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have published something without that sort of help behind me.

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Speaker 4: I don't think I could have.

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Speaker 3: And hats off to people who do self publish, especially

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friend of mine, Graham Rendell, who have got many of

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his books historical books in the background behind me. He

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self publishes and does a wonderful job. So yeah, the

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book came about through a publisher. It took me eighteen

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months probably to write start to finish, and yeh, it's

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done pretty well since coming out, so I can't complain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's really just a beautiful book. Like I said,

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it's you know, it's hardcover. Uh, And I'll show you

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show some of the images here in a bit. When

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when we get into some of the cases that that

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you're you know that you're you're in particular particularly interested in.

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But you know, so you've had thousands of hours of

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podcast interviews with with these various people. In your mind

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like what what does the book bring that a podcast

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couldn't or is it is it just a different form

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of media.

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Speaker 3: Both, because I think there's in twenty twenty six especially,

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I've got three young children, I've got two full time jobs,

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I've got a life, you know, to live, and I

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don't always have time to read a book. So I

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was thinking what type of book would I like to

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see on this topic? And I'm lucky to have all

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these wonderful books behind me, written by all these different people,

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covering so much of the UFO topic. But I was thinking,

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if Richard Dolan can write three novels on Roswell for example.

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I'm not that guy, but what I can do is

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create a snapshot of a case, put it down in

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a couple of pages in a chapter, and give people

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a glimpse of the UFO topic and updated glimpse at

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the UFO topic, especially since twenty seventeen, because I don't

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think we maybe had that since then. And think of

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those kind of classic coffee table books. You know, when

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you go to a friend's house and they've got something

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sitting whether it's in the toilet, on a shelf, or

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it's in a bedroom, or it's on a coffee table.

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Speaker 4: You pick it up.

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certain section, read a little bit, and then put it down.

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You don't have to read it beginning to end, and

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it just peques your interest and you can pick and

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choose what you want to read. I thought that's what

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00:24:01,799 --> 00:24:05,160
I could deliver, That's what I could give especially going

477
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,799
into a bookshop, having all those options on a shelf,

478
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,559
picking a really nice book off the shelf and being

479
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:13,799
able to say, UFOs catchy cover. What are Some of

480
00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:16,559
these cases are well known Roswell Virginia. You have to

481
00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:18,960
put some of those in there, but then some of

482
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,440
the lesser known cases of folks even in the United

483
00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:24,559
States wouldn't known. The only remit I had from the publisher.

484
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:26,960
They were really good letting me do what I kind

485
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,079
of wanted with the book. But the big one was

486
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,519
we have to make it worldwide. There's thirty four cases

487
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:35,839
in the book. Seventeen are from the US, and I

488
00:24:35,839 --> 00:24:39,119
think seventeen are from outside of the United States. I

489
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,279
could have done an entire book just on the States.

490
00:24:41,319 --> 00:24:43,880
There are cases missing, such as the Phoenix Lights, which

491
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,839
is my favorite. I purposely left that out one in

492
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,960
case they wanted extra material in two. In case they

493
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,720
ever asked me to do a second volume of it,

494
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,119
I could at least start with one case that I

495
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,160
still know more about. So yeah, it's a mixed a

496
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,599
mixed bag in terms of cases. Some really well known

497
00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:03,319
lit up into different sections as well. But that's what

498
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,200
I thought I could provide that perhaps long form podcasting.

499
00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:11,200
It's the TikTok of books. I think that's a good

500
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:11,799
way to put it.

501
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that now.

502
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: Diana Walsh Pasoka wrote the forward. She of course, is

503
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:23,200
a religious religion professor U N. C. Wilmington, author of

504
00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:27,160
American Cosmic. How did that come about? It's a really

505
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,680
lovely introduction. I absolutely, I mean, I love anything that

506
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,920
she writes, but that is really, I think, pretty special

507
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,279
having her introduce write the introduction for your book.

508
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Diana Pisolka and Richard Dolan has a piece

509
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,799
on the back of the book praising it as well.

510
00:25:44,759 --> 00:25:47,400
And Diana was the first and only name I reached

511
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,279
out to genuinely to write the introduction, the first person

512
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:53,880
I thought of. She's one of the people I respect most.

513
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,039
She's one of my favorite interviews to do for the podcast,

514
00:25:57,519 --> 00:26:00,599
and she's got such a unique angle. Think again to

515
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,480
sell it to a mainstream publisher to say it's not

516
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:07,559
a crazy UFO person, and again, sorry to use that

517
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,640
kind of terminology, but when you're speaking to members of

518
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,759
the public and mainstream television, news, broadcasting, print media, they're

519
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:17,400
looking for, you know, what, what is credible And to

520
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,039
be able to bring up Diana Pasilka's background and her

521
00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:25,039
her religious history professorship and all that, someone with that

522
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,000
level of knowledge and intellect, I think sold it to

523
00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:29,640
them that that was a good person to do that,

524
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:30,000
and I was.

525
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 4: She was so so nice to do that too.

526
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,759
Speaker 3: So yeah, I really appreciate Dana and then Richard Dolan

527
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:37,279
writing the piece for it as well. Lends a lot

528
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:39,519
of credibility because those are those are folks that I

529
00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:41,720
really respect absolutely.

530
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: Now, of course, there are thousands of UFO cases out there.

531
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,079
You picked thirty. How did you decide what made the cut?

532
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,279
What made it into this book.

533
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: I I could make this sound really grand, grandiose, but

534
00:26:57,279 --> 00:26:59,319
I remember I went to Sunney World one night to

535
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,400
see a movie and I can't remember what one it was,

536
00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:04,079
and I took a big folder with me in a notepad,

537
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:06,680
and I sat for an hour before the movie with

538
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,599
a coffee and wrote down all the cases I could

539
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,839
think of off the top of my head, just like what

540
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,519
comes to me instantly. And it was like, okay, well

541
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:19,839
here's all the US ones. Okay, this was in France,

542
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,400
this was in Iran, this was China. And then starting

543
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,640
to look through the internet and do, okay, any cases

544
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,440
in Africa, any cases in Asia, any cases you know,

545
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:30,480
and just start to pick out some lesser known ones

546
00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:33,119
as well. And that's literally how I've done it, first

547
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,720
off the top of my head. And then there was

548
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:38,160
other cases again like the Phoenix Lights, where I was like,

549
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,000
I could write about this one, but let's leave that

550
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,839
to the side and try and focus again on some

551
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,200
of the lesser known cases, because otherwise you're literally writing

552
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,119
a book that if it's a UFO audience buying it,

553
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:52,720
they're going to have heard of all of these. So

554
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:55,000
let's try and make it a little bit more interesting

555
00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:00,240
and a little bit more internationally internationally based, because I think, like,

556
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,799
like we all say, this is a worldwide phenomenon, as

557
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,960
much as it's led by the United States, that this

558
00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:08,160
happens all over and I think the book illustrates that.

559
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: And all of these or a lot of these folks,

560
00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:14,279
or maybe perhaps all of them are people that you've interviewed.

561
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:20,359
What was it like writing about these cases with people

562
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,200
that you've actually interviewed on your show. I mean, I

563
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,920
think that certainly had to have given you an incredible

564
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:30,000
amount of insight versus perhaps someone that you had not

565
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,200
met or interviewed.

566
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,839
Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of listening back or watching myself back.

567
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:39,119
It's hard enough doing this and having to see myself

568
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:44,599
on the laptop, Matt, So I had a base knowledge

569
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,839
from the guests I've had on the show, for example Virginia,

570
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,039
but I would use that kind of base level knowledge

571
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:54,880
to go and watch. The typical process for one of

572
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:59,759
the chapters would be, for example, Virginia, watch James Fox's documentary,

573
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:02,960
read a couple of articles, and then watch some smaller

574
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,880
documentaries or shorter episodes people have done with podcasts with

575
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,039
James Fox, and then from that, make a lot of

576
00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:12,640
notes and start to write a base out and then

577
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,640
kind of fill it in as I went along. Some

578
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,880
of the cases were far easier if it was something

579
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,880
I had a real knowledge of or had spoken about

580
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,400
multiple times, had heard people speaking about multiple times. Virginia, Roswell,

581
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,799
that was fine, But then you've got some of the

582
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:28,000
lesser known cases.

583
00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 4: For an ezy.

584
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: China Jaoshan, there was a lot less to go on.

585
00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:36,680
I think one of the cases or something like one

586
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:40,640
or two little YouTube documentaries which give differing details, and

587
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,599
a couple of articles which are loosely translated from Chinese.

588
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,200
So some of those are more difficult to write about.

589
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,200
So maybe you've got a couple of pages on a case,

590
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:52,119
whereas others you could have written fifty pages on. So yeah,

591
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:54,839
having the base level knowledge is speaking to many of

592
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,400
these people through the podcast over the years. But I

593
00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:00,240
like you in on a secret map. My memory is it?

594
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:05,400
Can I say, yeah, my memory is awful. I may

595
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,319
have written the book, but I've never read it back. Genuinely,

596
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,000
I've not read the book. I don't plan on reading it.

597
00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:14,480
I don't think because I wrote it, I kind of

598
00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:15,240
remember writing it.

599
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:18,119
Speaker 4: I loved it, so yeah, it's.

600
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: People will say to me, like days, I record an

601
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,920
episode and tend to get stuff out pretty quickly afterwards,

602
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,359
and folks will comment on the discord channel, which right

603
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:30,279
now people are in there saying, hello, they're watching this,

604
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:32,880
so high to them. Or folks will email me something

605
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,839
I've said and they'll be laughing, or they'll ask a

606
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,039
question I don't remember saying it.

607
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 4: So much of what I say or do is off

608
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,799
the cuff. I think I.

609
00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:43,119
Speaker 3: Probably wrote the book a lot more that way than

610
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:46,079
people would realize. I'll say right now, if I can

611
00:30:46,119 --> 00:30:47,799
do a podcast, and if I can write a book,

612
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,720
should as held. Any of you out there can do

613
00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:52,079
it and better than me, So never let that put

614
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:56,160
you off. But yeah, it was interesting, and I think,

615
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,440
like I said about early podcast episodes, if I wrote

616
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,759
and it's a big if if I ever wrote another book.

617
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,839
I've learned a lot doing the first one. Things I

618
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,559
definitely would do, but things I definitely wouldn't do again.

619
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.

620
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: Okay, So we spoke beforehand about some of your favorite

621
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,440
cases in this book, and you know, so came up

622
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,960
with three that you're interested in. So let's start with

623
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,960
your first pick. Best straight, walk us through that.

624
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, Bastrait is an incident from Australia nineteen seventy.

625
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,000
I've got some of the details down to my left ear, folks. So,

626
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,279
like I said, my memory is shocking. And we had

627
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:39,559
a young pilot, twenty year old Frederick Valentik, flying solo.

628
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:44,440
He reports an unknown craft pacing him around one thousand

629
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,279
foot above him. What's really interesting with this, and it's

630
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:49,960
in the book because folks are on the YouTube they

631
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,160
can see it there. There's a transcript from himself in

632
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,559
the radio control tower and they're basically having a conversation

633
00:31:57,319 --> 00:32:00,160
of our you know, I can see this object blah

634
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,839
blah blah blah, and you have the real time radio

635
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:07,640
of what happened. The plane disappears. At the end of it,

636
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,640
he says, it's right above me. No confirmed wreckage was

637
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:16,799
ever found. And it's a really interesting potential abduction story

638
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:20,440
with live audio accompanying it, which I found fascinating.

639
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again here these are the pages from this

640
00:32:26,119 --> 00:32:29,400
from this this particular thing. And you know, and as

641
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,279
I mentioned, one of the things I just absolutely love

642
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:36,680
about it are the graphics. It's it's just a just

643
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:40,640
a beautiful, beautiful book.

644
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: So it's just a quick side a quick side note.

645
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:47,039
I sent you the PDF like an early version, so

646
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,720
that the stamps all over that one. For example, some

647
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:51,880
of the pictures don't quite line up or it's like

648
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:54,319
a holding pattern. So if they do buy the book,

649
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:56,599
you will see the actual picture and not, for example,

650
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,759
those beautiful shiny rocks with albumy written all over it.

651
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:03,279
So yeah, that was just the PDF that I sent folks.

652
00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:04,640
Apologies for that one, Matt.

653
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no problem. So in the in this particular case,

654
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,640
so the book included, as you mentioned, this air traffic

655
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,559
control transcript and one of his last words are chilling.

656
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:20,480
What was there anything in that in that transcript that

657
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:21,400
stood out to you?

658
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,319
Speaker 3: The fact that you've got this young pilot who says

659
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,759
it's not an aircraft, it's not a miss identification unless

660
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:32,599
he really had no clue what he was looking at.

661
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,880
But we're going back to the seventies. He's flying out solo.

662
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,240
He can see this thing circling above him at long

663
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:41,839
metallic object green lights. He says, it's moving at high speed,

664
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,039
it's hovering. It's been stalking him, tracking him. And it's

665
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:48,240
that that to me that it's not an aircraft. He

666
00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:51,000
knew he was looking at something that wasn't meant to

667
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,680
be there, that he had not seen before, and it

668
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,720
was the last time anyone saw heard from him.

669
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is which is just in just insane. Now, Okay,

670
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,359
so your next pick was about Tehran.

671
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: Tell us about that one.

672
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:09,119
Speaker 3: Tehran's quite a well known case. So nineteen seventy six,

673
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:15,559
Tehran in the news right now for all kinds of reasons, obviously,

674
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:19,360
but multiple civilians reported bright objects over Tehran at night.

675
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:23,320
The Iranian Air Force, as we now know, Iran. Tehran

676
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,599
is now Iran. They scramble F four phantom jets. I'll

677
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:30,239
give a shout out to my friend here, Graham Rendell,

678
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,559
who helped me with some of the detail, including the

679
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:38,199
aircraft numbers and things like that through the book. Pilots

680
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:42,840
locked onto objects they tried to fire instrumentation failed. That's

681
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,880
something we know famously can happen in so many of

682
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,239
these cases. But it's just nice to have one of

683
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:53,119
these incidents reported outside of the United States, like this object. Reportedly,

684
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:58,079
the larger object object really smaller luminous objects one appears

685
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:01,719
to move towards the jet wanted an attempted missile lock,

686
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:05,679
and the weapons systems failed at that exact moment, either

687
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,440
by pure coincidence due to the technology or the object

688
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,800
itself stopping the craft being able to fire upon it.

689
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,639
Once the smaller object disappeared, the systems returned to normal.

690
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:20,280
It was detailed in a US Defense Intelligence Agency memo.

691
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,039
It was described and classified as highly credible. It did

692
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:28,760
involve secondary aircraft ground radar confirmation. So we've got here

693
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:35,119
classic multiple witnesses, radar, military and yeah, it's detailed and

694
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,400
there are multiple points of reference and data for this case,

695
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,679
which makes it really interesting.

696
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:44,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely is one of the more interesting cases

697
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:48,559
for sure. And you know, as you mentioned, the DiiA

698
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,079
called this a classic case.

699
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: How well known is this case?

700
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 4: Do you think it's talked about quite often?

701
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,639
Speaker 3: I know it's come up with some of the kind

702
00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:00,440
of higher level conversations when you hear military four talking

703
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,559
about cases that happen outside of the United States. So

704
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,360
it's well known, it's well quoted, and again I think

705
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:13,920
to have that sort of region, that kind of that

706
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,880
kind of level of you know, going to the point

707
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,039
of firing upon an object is pretty pretty extreme. So yeah,

708
00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:23,639
for me, it's one of the far more credible, credible cases.

709
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: Again, just a shame. It goes back to nineteen seventy six.

710
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,039
Speaker 3: Perhaps if the United States want to make friends with Iran,

711
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:31,840
they could maybe ask for some of those files to

712
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,440
be sent over, But I think right now they've probably

713
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,320
got some more pressing things are trying to do, like

714
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:38,559
open up the strait of her moves rather than open

715
00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:40,679
up the UFO files between countries.

716
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I don't get me started on

717
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:45,280
that whole thing.

718
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, I completely agree.

719
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: Okay, your third pick, and I'm probably gonna butcher the

720
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,760
name here vrinds that I said that.

721
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 3: Right, I would say or an easy But you know,

722
00:36:57,159 --> 00:37:00,280
I imagine all kinds of all kind of accenter in different is.

723
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 4: I'm not going to tell anyone how to speak. Matt.

724
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,239
Listen to this accent.

725
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,119
Speaker 3: So yeah, this was again I tried to pick some

726
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:11,239
different cases. We've had a potential abduction one person siding

727
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:14,039
with not a lot of data. We've then had the

728
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:16,039
tran with multiple data points.

729
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 4: Military. Really interesting.

730
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 3: This one goes to mostly primary children, primarily children, young

731
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,239
children in a park in Voroneze, southern Russia, and they

732
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:32,119
spotted large glowing spheres or discs which not only landed,

733
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,360
but then witnesses described tall beings emerging, one entity describing

734
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,559
and it goes about old school classic alien type here

735
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:44,119
with metallic suits, three eyes. I think a lot of

736
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:47,480
these descriptions tended to fade away as time went on,

737
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:51,920
didn't they that kind of classic orson Wells Philip K.

738
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:55,119
Dick science fiction look of an alien and what those were?

739
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,480
Reports of beings interacting with the environment. There's talk that

740
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:02,119
one of the beings shot a kid with some kind

741
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:04,360
of ray gun and froze them in place.

742
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 4: This is all documented.

743
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,119
Speaker 3: This is all not to meet say what that was real,

744
00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:12,079
but this is what people witnesses reported when the military

745
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:14,960
came to speak to them, and they were impressions left

746
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,880
on the ground from the craft. There were reports of

747
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,400
elevated radiation levels. It was covered by Soviet state news

748
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,800
at the time. Western media picked up on it, adding

749
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,920
to its notoriety. And it's a rare example of a

750
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,119
state the USSR acknowledging a UFO landing claim to especially

751
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,039
a pretty out there one with so many witnesses the

752
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:43,320
ray gun. It sounds like classic sci fi. But again,

753
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,840
just with the documentation and all the witness testimony, it

754
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,039
wasn't just a couple of children, for example. This is

755
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:52,400
a lot of folks in a busy spot. Really interesting,

756
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:54,400
pretty strange, a bit more out there, but one I

757
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,880
thought was definitely worth including well.

758
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: And I think that's interesting that Tests ran this story.

759
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:03,840
Was this really kind of one of the first UFO

760
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,760
stories that that Tests, excuse me, had had run. Any

761
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,760
idea why, and if so, any idea why they chose

762
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,199
this one.

763
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,039
Speaker 3: I'm not too sure, Probably about a question for George Knapp,

764
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:19,519
who we know smuggled many things out of Russia and

765
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:22,760
involving UFOs. But it's certainly the one that got the

766
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,400
biggest coverage that I was managing to find anyway, But yeah,

767
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,360
really interesting, Like you say, being covered by state news

768
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:34,039
was massive, especially nineteen eighty nine was a tumultuous time

769
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:38,159
for the Soviet nation and Soviet Union, and we went

770
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,000
too far from its collapse. So I'm not history buff,

771
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:43,039
but I'm sure it wasn't the greatest of times for it.

772
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: And you connect this to the school sidings as you

773
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,960
mentioned in Zimbabwe, Wales in Australia. I'm not too familiar

774
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,199
with the Wales in Australia sort of connections. What are

775
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,519
the similarities kind of what happened with those the Zimbabwe

776
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,199
Zim one I know, but the others are.

777
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 4: Again Wales.

778
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,599
Speaker 3: They reported craft coming down low landing at West of Australia.

779
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,920
I don't believe the children reported a landed craft. I

780
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,920
know it's the sixtieth anniversary just now. Grant Lovac, Shane

781
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,159
Ryan are doing a lot of promotion on that in

782
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,320
discussing it. But for me, I just think there's something too.

783
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:26,559
When it's children reporting these things, especially large groups of children,

784
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,199
there's a kind of innocence that comes along and you

785
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,800
could say naivete. But when you've got ten or fifteen children,

786
00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:35,559
thirty children or something like Ruas and Babie one hundred

787
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:41,360
children reporting this incredible event, reporting beings, reporting craft, it

788
00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:45,920
just adds a certain interest or intrigue or a weight

789
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:49,679
to what's being said, because for them to make something

790
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,079
up and all stick to the same story sound really strange.

791
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:55,159
But with this one you had adults said as well,

792
00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:57,440
because they were monitoring, they were looking after their children

793
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,840
in the park. So I think a lot of folks

794
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:03,800
find themselves drawn to those cases where there are lots

795
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,320
of children involved. Is there something to these craft or

796
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,480
beings being drawn to kind of the younger generation? Are

797
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:16,079
they implanting messages for the future, like perhaps with Ruizimbabwe

798
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:18,880
that yes, the case may have happened thirty years ago,

799
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:22,480
but does it happen then for the message to be

800
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:25,559
spread now that the documentary is coming out now, the

801
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:29,039
book's coming out now, The fact that we now we're

802
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:32,960
all connected to social media allows the witnesses and experiencers

803
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,079
of that time to share their story to a world

804
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:38,719
that's maybe more ready for that conversation than it would

805
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,880
have been had we had the same capabilities fifteen, twenty

806
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:43,159
twenty five years ago.

807
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 2: Sure, sure that makes sense.

808
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: Is there another case in the book that you want

809
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,320
you want to make sure people know about another one

810
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,079
that maybe a fourth one that you think is important

811
00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:57,800
impactful other than the three that you've mentioned here.

812
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 4: Remember they're now, Like I say, my memory is shocking.

813
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,119
Speaker 3: I do like some of the kind of smaller cases, like,

814
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:08,760
for example, there's a there's one in India where the

815
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:12,039
it's flight students to see an object and that's got

816
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:15,320
a few different radar points. There's an incident that happens

817
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,320
in China with an airport being closed.

818
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,159
Speaker 4: Again pretty short, lacking in data.

819
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 3: I spoke to Richard Dolan recently around Chinese ufology and

820
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,360
why the secrecy around that is so much more. I

821
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,400
think that's a really intriguing place because we get I

822
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,000
think the US is such a wealth of information, both

823
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,760
good and bad on the UFO topic.

824
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,199
Speaker 4: It's certainly the go to nation for any UFO stuff.

825
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: Something I'm asked often about when we might get to

826
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,960
talk about the UK and UFO stuff Matt is why

827
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,039
does this stuff always happen in the United States? Why

828
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:49,840
is it always Bible Belt United States? While all these

829
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,559
folks are seeing these things. You know, a lot of

830
00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:55,880
stigmatization involved in it. But the US is the UFO

831
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,440
hub for many different reasons. So yeah, I think some

832
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,360
of those less stories that people can pick up and

833
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,559
look at and go, this is happening all around the world.

834
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:08,480
This is not a phenomenon that has stuck in the

835
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:16,480
United States that that old nineteen nineties trailer park crazy

836
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:21,039
you'll call Cletis type Simpson's character, because those are the

837
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:24,360
people that report UFO is that's not true. Just because

838
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,719
someone may have those circumstances doesn't make them any more

839
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,920
or less credible. But you're getting such a breadth society

840
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,920
now reporting UFO sightings through through the years to the decades,

841
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:36,519
especially as you as you'll know better than anyone, Matt

842
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:39,280
Or as well as anyone all these military folks, all

843
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,360
these folks and US politics. This is a this is

844
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,800
a societal issue now, and that's starting to come out

845
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,199
more and more.

846
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: I think I totally agree.

847
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 2: It's funny.

848
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: I have people that are kind of new to the

849
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:56,159
topic or are curious about the topic almost and it's

850
00:43:56,199 --> 00:44:00,480
almost inevitably they say, well, why therees A song happened

851
00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:04,119
in the US, And I always reply, well, that's not

852
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,679
the case. Why do you think that there seems to

853
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,719
be a perception that it is only a United States

854
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,159
sort of phenomenon, which we clearly know it's not. Do

855
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:16,360
you think it's it's how it's dealt with in the press,

856
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:20,400
or maybe perhaps like you know, you do hear our

857
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,880
government speak about it, although in kind of confusing terms. However,

858
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,039
at least as far as I know, I've never heard

859
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,000
anyone from the from the British government.

860
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: Speak about it.

861
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: What do you sort of attribute all that that sort

862
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,800
of misperception of that too.

863
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 3: In modern day as we sit now, it's because of

864
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,159
the progress happening in the United States. Someone could see

865
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,920
lack of progress, but the transparency of the governmental movement

866
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,519
and the political movement is certainly happening in Congress at

867
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:51,000
quite quite a mainstream level. Now. It's picked up in

868
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:53,599
a lot of the main channels, the big podcast the

869
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:57,400
main newspapers all talk about it. I think classically, things

870
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,679
like Hollywood would have had a lot to do with it,

871
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:03,119
the big movies, the UFO events always happened in the States,

872
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,280
I suppose, from the forties with Roswell all the way

873
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,800
through to the nineties. All the cases people spoke about

874
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,320
the Phoenix likes Betty and Barney Hill, Calvin Parker, all

875
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,320
these incidents happened in North America. So there wasn't a

876
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,960
whole lot else to talk about outside you'd maybe mentioned

877
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,599
Rendellshum that's a well known but again it happens on

878
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:29,079
a US Army base. Might be in the UK, but

879
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:33,440
it's still US land technically at the time, with nuclear weapons,

880
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,719
with US servicemen and women. So again there's always that

881
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,599
tag there if you want to go into the y.

882
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,800
Perhaps it may be is as simple as the US

883
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,840
is such a large land mass that these objects would

884
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,840
be drawn to it. Perhaps it's the fact that maybe

885
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,119
there are bases located off various different coasts. I know

886
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:58,000
that's something you've spoken about on your program before, Matt.

887
00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:01,440
I've spoken about online and this idea that like the

888
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,800
tic Tac event where that happened the West coast, the

889
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,880
East coast, other bases literally off of there where NYH

890
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,000
hydrones are a.

891
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:11,119
Speaker 4: Pairing are made.

892
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 3: You can go into all kind of weird and wonderful

893
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,320
theories around it, but it may be something as simple

894
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:16,679
as that.

895
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 4: Again, it's a big place.

896
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,079
Speaker 3: It had to originate somewhere, or at least the lower

897
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:26,840
and legend had to and stemming from Roswell the US government,

898
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,880
the US military admitted they had a flying saucer for

899
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,920
a couple of days they changed the press release that

900
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,239
then went to a weather bloon. It's the father of

901
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,400
the cover up or the grandfather of the cover up,

902
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,400
and it's led the way through the Five Eyes.

903
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 4: Agreements these days.

904
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 3: And I think it just is the case that the

905
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:47,599
US were the early adopters of the cover up. They're

906
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:49,719
in charge of it. They've got the technology, the power

907
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,199
of the means, and it's best at Australia, the UK, etc.

908
00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:55,880
Allow the US to deal with these things. And we

909
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,039
hear about it in Brazil with various different cases. Calarez

910
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,639
the US and volved Virginia at the US involvement. Whenever

911
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:07,119
these things happen, un marked uniforms, black helicopters turn up,

912
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:12,719
and the folks involved in these collections and retrievals tend

913
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,320
to have American accents when they speak.

914
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:21,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, now for sure, do you like here in the

915
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:26,840
US we have lawmakers that are clearly they know something's

916
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,559
going on, some more than others. But you have people

917
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:35,840
like Congressman Congressman excuse me, Tim Burshett, Congresswoman Annapolina Luna.

918
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,079
Speaker 2: Senator Jillibrand has worked on this topic.

919
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:44,119
Speaker 1: Do you see any new interest or increased interest with

920
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:49,000
lawmakers in your government, the kind of waking up to

921
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:50,280
the reality of this thing.

922
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:52,039
Speaker 4: None.

923
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,639
Speaker 3: No, there's no interest politically on this. This is a

924
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,880
career ender in the UK if any politician came forward,

925
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:03,039
and this is just my opinion, folks in the UK

926
00:48:03,159 --> 00:48:05,239
might be watching or listening to this now saying I'm wrong.

927
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,519
I don't see that anyone could come out and discuss

928
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:13,000
this in any serious form or fashion without ridicule, without

929
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:15,880
them being laughed out of whatever our House of Commons

930
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,440
are speaking. In our politics, Matt is really boring and

931
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,400
really dry. Maybe right now in the United States, some

932
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,920
of you would yearn for a time of boring politics

933
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,079
given the show that goes on and has done for

934
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:32,679
many years now. In the United States, our news networks

935
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,719
are dull and boring compared to the States, the politics

936
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,719
is dull and boding, the characters within it. Keir Starmer

937
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,800
couldn't be any more of a dull, boring politician, And

938
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,880
I'm not getting political. As just a person he is.

939
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:49,760
I'd rather watch Paint Dry than listen to him top

940
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,119
for an hour, honestly, or another Stephen Greer documentary.

941
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 4: Just having watched one of those recently that was particularly hard.

942
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,599
Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's a very different set of in the States,

943
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:03,440
and perhaps that lends itself more to the conversations around

944
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:04,320
the UFO topic.

945
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,039
Speaker 4: But you've got to be fair to some of the

946
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:09,280
folks leading the charge.

947
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 3: They've picked it up, they've ran with it, and as

948
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,239
we discussed this match, I think we're two days away,

949
00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:17,280
the fourteenth of April. We're due this deadline, aren't we

950
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:23,400
for a release of up to forty six files videos

951
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that we are hoping to have released, whether that gets extended,

952
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,199
because we are going to get some stuff. I imagine

953
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,639
it will drop on the aliens or alien dot gov

954
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,599
domain that was purchased. Again, Matt, you're well connected, you

955
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:39,320
might know better than me. I'm expecting some stuff to

956
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,320
get uploaded onto there in the coming days, if not weeks.

957
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,079
Speaker 4: Do I think it's all going to be good? Nope.

958
00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:47,559
Speaker 3: I think some of it will be just as frustrating

959
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,960
or bloody or could it be a balloon, could it

960
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,199
be a flock of birds. But I do think there

961
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,599
will be some stuff on there that does genuinely raise eyebrows,

962
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,320
and that's the stuff that I'll be focusing on. Yeah,

963
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:03,039
the US leads the way with this as it has

964
00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:06,440
so many things for good or or bad, and I'm

965
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:07,159
grateful for that.

966
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 4: On the minute.

967
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And speaking of political circus, do you think

968
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:18,000
that President Trump, our current president, will disclose? You know

969
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:21,599
you're hearing You're hearing people on on the congressional side

970
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:25,000
of things, in the legislative side here in the US saying, oh, yeah,

971
00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:25,760
he's going to do it.

972
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 2: What's your what's your take?

973
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: And I know you're you're on the other side of

974
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,599
the pond, but I think even more so, I'm really

975
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:36,719
interested in your take because you're a little bit more

976
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,639
removed and you sort of see what happens, uh, what's

977
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:42,119
going on in the US in terms of the political

978
00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:44,639
circus that we seem to be constantly living in.

979
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,039
Speaker 3: I know so much more about the US political political

980
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:51,239
arena than I do the UK, and I pay more

981
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:52,960
attention to it because it seems to affect me a

982
00:50:53,039 --> 00:50:56,480
hell of a lot more. Do I think he'll disclose?

983
00:50:56,519 --> 00:50:59,960
Are we talking Epstein or UFOs? So at first I can.

984
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:05,199
If we're sticking with UFOs, we'll leave the Epstein stuff

985
00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:05,719
to Milania.

986
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 4: That was funny. If we're sticking with UFO, is he's

987
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:11,840
had his opportunity.

988
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 3: I mean, first time round, he had his he sit

989
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,960
down conversations, didn't he with his son at the time

990
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,400
that that famous quote around. You know, Roswell's really interesting.

991
00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:25,920
He's always had this line around. He doesn't he said

992
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,119
multiple times. I don't particularly believe. However, you know, there's

993
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,320
good pilots, men and women, folks in military uniform who

994
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,519
have seen things, and you know, but I don't particularly believe.

995
00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 4: He's always been very quick to say that.

996
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:42,079
Speaker 3: Then we had the drone incursions just before he came

997
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:44,880
into office for the second time, where a lot of

998
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,239
that campaign and for parity here to show him generally

999
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,440
not political. I find it all hilarious, and that's all politics.

1000
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,519
The Biding administration were just dead silent on those drones

1001
00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:59,320
and all that weird stuff that was happening. Trump very

1002
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,440
much campaign day one. I'm going to tell you what

1003
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,599
those were, what day we on now we are still

1004
00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:09,519
waiting on that. So he's had his opportunities. I think,

1005
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:13,400
like any good politician, if and when Trump gives us

1006
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:19,360
anything newsworthy in terms of anything close to a disclosure,

1007
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,119
it will be for personal and political and professional gain.

1008
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,920
So I must seeing that coming anytime soon, not unless

1009
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,960
he has to because he's had the opportunity. But then again,

1010
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:36,280
Donald Trump's the kind of guy who on a whim

1011
00:52:36,519 --> 00:52:41,039
could drop a truth bomb on truth social or you know,

1012
00:52:41,199 --> 00:52:43,840
if someone just irks him on an Air Force one

1013
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:47,119
press junket, he can see what he likes, like he

1014
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:49,920
did with Obama a couple of months ago. That started

1015
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,440
this ball rolling a little bit. So, yeah, the opportunities there.

1016
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,280
If anyone is going to say something, why not Donald Trump?

1017
00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:00,159
But I don't know, what about you, Matt, what you

1018
00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:01,840
think I mean?

1019
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:06,519
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's the guy's completely unpredictable. You know.

1020
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:09,519
Part of me thinks, okay, he's got the whole Iran

1021
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:13,039
debacle which is happening. Then of course he has the

1022
00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:16,320
Epstein thing, which Millennia went out and went out in

1023
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,000
front of the cameras and said what she said.

1024
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 2: So when I'm thinking about.

1025
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 1: It, like if if I were a little bit nutty

1026
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,119
and I were Trump, I would be like, hey, what

1027
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:32,599
better way to distract from Iran and distract from Epstein

1028
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,039
then to dump.

1029
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: The UFO files?

1030
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 1: Because I guarantee you if he were to do that,

1031
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,920
well maybe not Iran and and unfortunately, you know, the

1032
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,559
whole Epstein thing is tragic. But I think that that

1033
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,519
the media would absolutely focus on on the UFO thing.

1034
00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:53,480
But like you said, it's Trump, you know, he he

1035
00:53:54,159 --> 00:53:56,119
you know, he could wake up in the morning and

1036
00:53:56,159 --> 00:53:58,400
decide I'm going to bomb Iran. I mean, I'm sorry

1037
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,599
you already did that. But but I don't know, man,

1038
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:05,400
it's uh, it's I think it's I think it's anyone's

1039
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:06,400
guess at this point.

1040
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 2: But but I do.

1041
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: Think that if I think that, if there's a good

1042
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,239
chance of it happening, I think it's going to be Trump. Uh.

1043
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,800
I think, if you know, my prediction is is Republicans

1044
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,960
are going to get hammered in the midterms and Trump

1045
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,880
is going to get impeached and he'll be out and

1046
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,320
it'll be JD. I'm hoping that JD would would certainly

1047
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,960
do it. There certainly seems to be some kind of

1048
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,679
some kind of interest. What are your thoughts from where

1049
00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:41,440
you sit across the pond as far as JD Vance

1050
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:42,880
and what he said on this topic.

1051
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:48,159
Speaker 3: I'm the the best I know about JD. Van's where

1052
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,360
a couple of years ago he hated Trump and said

1053
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,679
a lot of really derogatory things about him, and then

1054
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,760
when the opportunity became a knocking to be number two,

1055
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,760
he jumped at that opportunity and changed his chin.

1056
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,599
Speaker 4: Do you know what, he won't be the the last

1057
00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:02,360
person to do that. He's certainly not the first.

1058
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:08,039
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I think in terms of legacy, this

1059
00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:10,199
is what I look at in terms of if you,

1060
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:13,320
if you were a president and you you get into

1061
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,079
office day one, you're probably already thinking about the end

1062
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:18,440
of your your your time, your end of your service,

1063
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,800
and what's your legacy going to be. Is it going

1064
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,079
to be a great healthcare program? That's one thing by

1065
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:27,199
that I find utterly incredible the US Health Service.

1066
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 4: We're very lucky in the UK.

1067
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 3: People slight the NHS, but people get treated here for

1068
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,000
basically free, and I think it's crazy what what you

1069
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:38,079
guys have to go through over there in terms of healthcare.

1070
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,480
But if you, if you want to think of of legacy,

1071
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,280
if you were the disclosure president, to quote Stephen Bassett,

1072
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,639
and I've probably summoned him by saying that, Now I

1073
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,960
like Stephen, but you know it's the disclosure president, then

1074
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,719
that's that would be a big one to go with

1075
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:00,440
but as a world changing road to go down. I

1076
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,679
think is it a decision that one person can make?

1077
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 4: Perhaps not. And I think in the background the people

1078
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,400
who truly run and I don't. This isn't even conspiratorial.

1079
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 3: But you can't tell me a president runs the United

1080
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:18,760
States and at Putting runs Russia and at Xijingping runs China.

1081
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,440
There are people in the military background who are their

1082
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,639
first thirty forty fifty years that you do not know

1083
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:30,000
their names, you barely ever see their faces. Those are

1084
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,280
the people making real decisions. And I wouldn't be shocked

1085
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,480
if those folks speak to each other pretty regular especially

1086
00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:38,679
on the subject of UFOs. And it's those folks that

1087
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,719
would have to come together to make some kind of

1088
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:45,719
massive statement short of whatever this phenomena is, or an

1089
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,280
aspect of this phenomena Phoenix Lights twenty twenty six. You know,

1090
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,840
massive craft over New York, Washington.

1091
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 4: Whatever it may be.

1092
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,199
Speaker 3: Then you'll get people shouting project Bluebeam, You'll get folks

1093
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:02,119
saying hoax, hologram, all these kind of things. It would

1094
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:05,440
have to be something pretty unequivocal. But yeah, if you're

1095
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,599
looking in terms of legacy, why not be the UFO President.

1096
00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:10,199
Speaker 2: I completely agree.

1097
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm curious in the UK, are there any well known

1098
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,320
celebrities in your world that have come out with their

1099
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:19,800
personal UFO experience.

1100
00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 3: Well, Robbie Williams, I was a big fan of his

1101
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,199
in the late nineties, early two thousands, some absolutely classic albums.

1102
00:57:31,239 --> 00:57:34,760
I know he's friends with Jeremy Corbel and others, and

1103
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,079
he's talked about an incident where he was with a

1104
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:41,039
woman and there was a shape shifting happened in front

1105
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:44,599
of his eyes. Robbie Williams, wonderful artist, does have a

1106
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:46,800
history of drug abuse and alcohol abuse, which he has

1107
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,360
written about and talked about, so a lot of folks

1108
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:50,639
instantly jumped to that.

1109
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,679
Speaker 4: It's not like it as in the United States.

1110
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 3: I think anyone in the UK that I would find

1111
00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:04,000
credible is relatively standoffish on the UFO topics. Still, I'd

1112
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:07,239
like to think that the perhaps Steven Spielberg's upcoming movie

1113
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,000
gets a lot of the influencers and celebrities out of

1114
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,280
the woodwork to view the UFO topic and a new light.

1115
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,639
And I think things like Hollywood and the mainstream can

1116
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:18,599
drive that I would love to see in the UK.

1117
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,599
You've got sixty minutes in the United States or some

1118
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:24,199
of these big news networks that cover the UFO topic.

1119
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,199
We would need a Channel four in the UK or

1120
00:58:29,199 --> 00:58:31,800
a BBC to cover it at the top of the

1121
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,119
hour and make it a real serious piece and story.

1122
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 4: And we still don't get that.

1123
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,719
Speaker 3: The closest we have had in the UK to major

1124
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,280
coverage of the US topic, and I'm going to go

1125
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:45,079
back thirty years, forty years, maybe ever was David Grush,

1126
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:49,159
because for four or five days, I think the hearings

1127
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:51,400
were like a Tuesday or a Wednesday. And I think

1128
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,840
until at least that Fridays, Grush.

1129
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 4: Was a story in the UK.

1130
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 3: Maybe not mega mainstream, but I had a lot of

1131
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:04,199
broadsheet journalists, really serious journalists who laugh and scoff at

1132
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:08,119
the UK at the US and the UFO topic, contact

1133
00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:11,119
me and other folks asking like they almost couldn't believe

1134
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:14,079
they were talking about it. But seeing Grush, seeing how

1135
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:17,639
well he spoke, the professional setting he's spoken, and the

1136
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,119
terms he was using, non biologics, you know, craft pilots,

1137
00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:24,320
they were like, there's something to this, isn't there? But

1138
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,480
it was gone by the weekend, so that the door

1139
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:29,960
was kind of cracked open there, but we need something

1140
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:32,719
big to happen in the UK. And whether that's because

1141
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,239
the mainstream media gets controlled or told what to write,

1142
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,960
and do they control the narratives and they don't want

1143
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,719
that narrative out The British public will largely go along

1144
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:40,960
with that.

1145
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean and that certainly is the case here.

1146
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: We have often spoken about how corrupt a lot of

1147
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,079
the mainstream media is.

1148
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,239
Speaker 2: Here in the US.

1149
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: Now. I don't know if you heard, and I just

1150
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,480
this papped into my mind, so I don't have the

1151
00:59:57,519 --> 01:00:02,800
graphic to show. But Casey Musgraves, who is this country star,

1152
01:00:03,239 --> 01:00:07,119
she posted a video from I guess a flight that

1153
01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:10,239
she was going, that she was coming out of Nashville

1154
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:14,280
or something like that, and she posts this video and

1155
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,239
I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Mick

1156
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:18,960
West actually replied to.

1157
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: It, have you seen this thing? Okay? So, so Bick

1158
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:24,360
says here.

1159
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: The Casey musk Graves UFO siding video has been identified

1160
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:32,679
by Flarky, one of his sort of meta buck metabunk minions,

1161
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,519
as being one hundred percent consistent with Starlink horizon flares.

1162
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,320
Her plane was in the flare zone for the entire flight,

1163
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:44,559
and the flares appeared in the right position, moving and

1164
01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:47,679
fading at the same speed as seen on the video.

1165
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:49,119
If she could share.

1166
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:50,639
Speaker 2: He always does this.

1167
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: If she could share the exact time the video was recorded,

1168
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:03,360
then we could identify the exact exact the exact satellites. Uh.

1169
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,599
Speaker 2: And did you did you see her reply to mixed

1170
01:01:06,639 --> 01:01:10,400
tweet something? Oh?

1171
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, so you know, I'll just read

1172
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,480
it here for people that haven't seen it. It's on

1173
01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:19,239
her her ex account, which is at Casey Capital k

1174
01:01:19,559 --> 01:01:24,159
A c e Y Capital, M Musgraves Heymick. If you

1175
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,559
zoom your way into the videos, you can If you

1176
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,559
zoom way into the videos, you can also see a

1177
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:36,960
really clear angle bigfoot writing your mom. And I thought

1178
01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:40,039
I thought that was I thought that was pretty comical.

1179
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,960
And I can't it's not going to show up well

1180
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:47,039
on my cell phone. But disclosure memes UH put out

1181
01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:53,599
this just wonderful image of Mick West's mom, who surprisingly

1182
01:01:54,039 --> 01:01:58,159
looks a lot like mcwest. I I encourage everybody to

1183
01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:02,800
go have have a look at that. That's at Feticini Split. Anyway,

1184
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,480
I thought that was I thought that was interesting. When

1185
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:09,239
we were talking about celebrities in what they have seen,

1186
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,320
and of course there have been a number of US

1187
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,360
celebrities that that have come out and you're hearing from

1188
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:18,800
Steven Spielberg that he indeed thinks that that something is

1189
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,960
going on. Now I want to kind of turn to

1190
01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:26,800
maybe something at the opposite end, which of course is

1191
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,920
not funny, which is the loss of Nick Pope last week.

1192
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:34,119
He's never been on my show I or had never

1193
01:02:34,159 --> 01:02:36,480
been on my show. I had the pleasure of meeting

1194
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:40,199
him just very briefly at Contact in the desert, tell

1195
01:02:40,239 --> 01:02:42,800
our viewers a bit about him, what he was like

1196
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,360
as a human being. He certainly seemed like just a

1197
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:46,400
wonderful individual.

1198
01:02:48,039 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I got to meet neck Pulpe just once

1199
01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:55,679
at So here's a story for you, Matt.

1200
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 4: So I used to be a holiday wreck.

1201
01:02:57,679 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 3: So I don't know if you get those in the

1202
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,119
United States, but in the UK you would apply to

1203
01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:05,639
work abroad and somewhere in Europe, and essentially tourists go

1204
01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:08,679
on holiday and you would work around the hotels and

1205
01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:10,840
make sure their their stay was comfortable, they had what

1206
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:11,440
they wanted.

1207
01:03:11,559 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 4: You laid between them and the hotels.

1208
01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:16,519
Speaker 3: So I was out in Greece for nine months back

1209
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:20,599
in two thousand and nine, and as the season kind

1210
01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:22,880
of drew to a close, there were less tourists going about.

1211
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:24,880
You had a lot more spare time and free time.

1212
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,199
And in a bookshelf I found one of Nick Pope's

1213
01:03:29,199 --> 01:03:31,559
books and I recognized the name, and it was there's

1214
01:03:31,679 --> 01:03:34,880
Operation Lightning Strike and Operation thunder Child, and I can't

1215
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,480
remember which one comes first. I think it might be

1216
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,000
thunder Child. But anyway, I picked up the book and

1217
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,480
saw it was on UFOs and I thought, oh, I'm going.

1218
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 4: To kind of have a little flick through. And I

1219
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:44,480
really enjoyed it.

1220
01:03:44,519 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 3: And it was actually second of the two books I

1221
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,039
read first. I took that book home with me and

1222
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:51,119
it's behind that curtain on top of a tumble dryer.

1223
01:03:51,159 --> 01:03:53,679
Still okay, So when I came back, I bought the

1224
01:03:53,719 --> 01:03:55,280
other book, or I think my wife bought it for

1225
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,639
me actually when we first met for a birthday of

1226
01:03:57,639 --> 01:04:01,559
a Christmas. But anyways, so those are two fictional books

1227
01:04:01,559 --> 01:04:05,679
by Nick Pope, sort of Independence Day esque about alien

1228
01:04:05,719 --> 01:04:06,679
invasion UFOs.

1229
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:07,599
Speaker 4: Really enjoyable.

1230
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,239
Speaker 3: So I got to meet Nick Pope then a couple

1231
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,079
of years later, in twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen in

1232
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:16,679
Berrick in the UK. He was over visiting and put

1233
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,320
on an impromptu talk in Berrick town Hall.

1234
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 4: Lovely gentlemen, really nice guy.

1235
01:04:22,519 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 3: Obviously Saddler now passed away after a cancer diagnosis a

1236
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,480
few months ago and seemed to go downhill really quickly

1237
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,480
at the end, as often happens. I've just had a

1238
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:33,079
very close friend of mine pass away from stage four

1239
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:37,599
cancer just less than two weeks ago. That's shit, happens,

1240
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:40,800
it's life, and yeah, these things go on.

1241
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 4: Nick Pope as a guy, was well.

1242
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 3: Known for coming forward in the nineties, having worked at

1243
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,199
the Ministry of Defense's UFO desk. Now Nick Pope's now

1244
01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:56,440
passed away, there are lots of different folks. We'll see

1245
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,079
lots of different things about what Nick Pope actually did,

1246
01:04:59,559 --> 01:05:03,000
whether he embellished, what his role was. The UK media

1247
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,800
labeled him the UK's Fox Malder. Bear in mind this

1248
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,719
was the mid nineties late nineties. The X Files was

1249
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,440
massive anything UFO related, and it still is quite often

1250
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,800
in the British tabloids. You are it's Fox, Molder and Scully,

1251
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,800
it's the X Files logo. Whenever a UFO story comes out,

1252
01:05:19,159 --> 01:05:21,639
there will have been tabloids. When Grush came forward, will

1253
01:05:21,639 --> 01:05:24,239
have ran the X files logo as part of the print.

1254
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 4: That's just what happens.

1255
01:05:26,119 --> 01:05:28,639
Speaker 3: But what we do know is Nick Pop worked in

1256
01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:33,599
the UK's UFO deesque. Whether that was people making reports

1257
01:05:33,639 --> 01:05:35,599
he would answer the phone, write them down and file

1258
01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:38,079
them away, or if he was a bit more hands on,

1259
01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:41,960
highly debated. Not for this conversation, other folks could go

1260
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,239
and do that research themselves. But off the back of

1261
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,480
that he became a go to guy, not only in

1262
01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:50,119
the UK but in the United States for conferences. He

1263
01:05:50,119 --> 01:05:54,559
helped consult on movie shows. He was typically British and

1264
01:05:54,639 --> 01:05:58,800
that he wouldn't speculate too much about origins, He wouldn't

1265
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,760
go off on wild tangent. In terms of the conversation.

1266
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,320
He kept things quite straight laced and kept things relatively

1267
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:08,639
factual to never kind of put too much emphasis on

1268
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:13,119
what he thought or believed. Heavily involved in the Calvine photo,

1269
01:06:13,159 --> 01:06:16,199
famously having that essentially pinned to his wall.

1270
01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 4: Lovely gentlemen.

1271
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:21,199
Speaker 3: I've never seen anyone have a bad word to say

1272
01:06:21,239 --> 01:06:24,519
about him personally, and you think he's a big loss

1273
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:27,000
to the UFO topic in terms of what he brung

1274
01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:31,280
that gravitas a credibility for many. He was a go

1275
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,239
to a guy for the media, and I think it

1276
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,719
speaks to maybe a larger time we're going to live

1277
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,880
through where so many names involved in the UFO topic

1278
01:06:39,199 --> 01:06:42,760
from the eighties and nineties onwards, they are no longer

1279
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,000
as young as they once were.

1280
01:06:44,599 --> 01:06:47,559
Speaker 4: So there's a famous Doctor.

1281
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 3: Who episode where they travel forward in time to the

1282
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:53,760
last Star, and it's like, we live in a time

1283
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,519
now of so many stars throughout the galaxy and the universe,

1284
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,000
and we're actually really fortunate to live in this time

1285
01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:04,199
because one by one over infinity, these will die out.

1286
01:07:04,519 --> 01:07:06,119
And I think we're in a place where we've got

1287
01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:09,039
a lot of really great names across the UFO topic

1288
01:07:09,559 --> 01:07:12,599
who are getting on in years, and there will be

1289
01:07:12,639 --> 01:07:15,079
a time where names have to come up and replace those,

1290
01:07:15,679 --> 01:07:18,639
where new work will be done, new revelations will come out.

1291
01:07:19,679 --> 01:07:23,559
So I think Nick Pope's position and passing probably just

1292
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:26,880
reminds a lot of folks of not only their own mortality,

1293
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,440
but you know what we've got in this topic, and

1294
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:33,400
how we use personality, how we use the kind of

1295
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,480
those backgrounds and trying to be kind of good role

1296
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,400
models for anyone coming into the topic or having been

1297
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:39,840
involved in a topic for a long time.

1298
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 2: I think ye, I completely agree.

1299
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: He just sounded like a wonderful individual. I, as I mentioned,

1300
01:07:46,519 --> 01:07:49,159
just had a sort of brief conversation with him, but

1301
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,119
I have had never once heard a bad thing about him,

1302
01:07:53,559 --> 01:07:58,440
and he certainly certainly is a loss to the UFO community.

1303
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:01,760
If you have time, we'll get to some audience questions

1304
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,880
here in a few But I'm curious, in you know,

1305
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:09,000
the thousands of conversations that you've had in what you know,

1306
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:11,519
the six years or so that you've been doing, is

1307
01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:16,560
is there anything that you didn't believe when you started

1308
01:08:17,239 --> 01:08:21,119
versus that you do believe now after having spent all

1309
01:08:21,159 --> 01:08:23,640
of this time and talked to so many people.

1310
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 3: I definitely think there is something to there being bases

1311
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:36,680
under the water off the coast of the US manufacturing something.

1312
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:40,439
I think A big swing in my thinking has been

1313
01:08:41,079 --> 01:08:45,279
that a lot of these craft aren't manned, but they

1314
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:48,159
are not human. So, for example, the tic tac, I

1315
01:08:48,199 --> 01:08:51,439
don't think there's anything inside of those tic TACs. I

1316
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,960
think those are empty. I think they're manufactured. They have

1317
01:08:55,119 --> 01:08:58,720
all the classic hallmarks of a drone, but not human drone.

1318
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,520
And I think a lot of what visits us or

1319
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:06,800
perhaps is based here more long term, is unmanned nyhhidrones.

1320
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:09,199
That's not something I thought about too much or too

1321
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:12,039
often coming into the not into the topics. I've been

1322
01:09:12,039 --> 01:09:14,119
into it since I was a kid, but I think

1323
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:17,600
maybe since since twenty twenty. I came into this with

1324
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:22,600
have we got craft of alien origin visiting us on

1325
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,600
this planet? And I think I've had to change that

1326
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:31,000
word visiting to interacting with living amongst It's a multifaceted phenomena.

1327
01:09:31,039 --> 01:09:34,319
There's so much, there's so much involved in it. One

1328
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:37,840
thing that I came into the topic not being too

1329
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,359
keen on, and I'm definitely still not keen on, is

1330
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:44,000
when people tell you that they are in touch with

1331
01:09:44,119 --> 01:09:49,119
beings from name that star system, Palladian beings, and they

1332
01:09:49,159 --> 01:09:51,840
contact them and they take them on their spaceships for

1333
01:09:52,359 --> 01:09:55,399
a couple of days, cruise around Alpha Centri and bring

1334
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,920
them back And yeah, not my bag. And I know

1335
01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:01,000
other folks do like it. I've got listeners and viewers

1336
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,439
who are into that kind of stuff. But yeah, I

1337
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,720
look at some of these big conferences with fifty faces

1338
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,479
and I'll know maybe five of them, and maybe that's

1339
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:10,319
my ignorance.

1340
01:10:10,319 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1341
01:10:11,159 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 3: But when you've got you know, the crystal healing room

1342
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,199
off to this side, and you know, you can meet

1343
01:10:16,199 --> 01:10:18,439
all these folks who know the Palladians over this side.

1344
01:10:20,319 --> 01:10:23,800
Not my particular area of expertise or interest in the

1345
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,920
UFO topic, but isn't that the wonderful world of upology.

1346
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm you and I are where I think we're

1347
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,640
possibly brothers from another mother. I'm with you on that.

1348
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:37,720
So yeah, So let's get to a few audience questions here.

1349
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:42,279
This is from Triple eight. Out there there are the

1350
01:10:42,319 --> 01:10:45,439
two nicest guys in the biz. Grateful they are serving

1351
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:50,920
us great news that the mainstream media refuses to. So yeah,

1352
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:55,119
thank you, thank you for that comment. This is from

1353
01:10:55,279 --> 01:10:58,680
The Truth is Up There. Both to Matt and Andy.

1354
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:02,720
You both joked about grifters in the subject area without

1355
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,600
naming anyone to help us spot them. What makes a

1356
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:07,880
grifter in your eyes?

1357
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 2: That's a really great question.

1358
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,119
Speaker 3: I've got an answer for this that I'm really comfortable giving.

1359
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:21,279
When someone can't say, I don't know, if you have

1360
01:11:21,359 --> 01:11:24,000
someone that is so certain that every single thing they

1361
01:11:24,039 --> 01:11:27,640
say is correct, that everything that you say they don't

1362
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:31,359
agree with is wrong, and that it's their way or

1363
01:11:31,359 --> 01:11:34,760
the highway, it's their narrative or no narrative. Then for me,

1364
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,239
that is a huge red flag. I'm not going to

1365
01:11:37,319 --> 01:11:40,439
name names, but whether you're selling CE five or whether

1366
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,000
you're doubling down on orbs that are actually the space station,

1367
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,119
then if you can't turn around and say, I don't know,

1368
01:11:46,319 --> 01:11:49,760
I got that one wrong, then for me, that's that's

1369
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,760
an issue. And I think we see a lot of that.

1370
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.

1371
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean I'm usually not too shy about

1372
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,199
these things. I mean, I can I consider a doctor

1373
01:12:01,239 --> 01:12:05,319
Stephen Greer in that boat. Essentially, it's like if if

1374
01:12:05,359 --> 01:12:09,399
anybody is going to say like, oh, you know this

1375
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,960
is this is not a threat, or if this is

1376
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,119
all peace and love or uh, these things are from

1377
01:12:15,239 --> 01:12:17,720
a planet p and all of that kind of thing,

1378
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,479
it's like, dude, how.

1379
01:12:19,279 --> 01:12:20,279
Speaker 2: Do you know all of this?

1380
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 1: And to me it's just my bullshit meter goes goes

1381
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,880
to eleven, and you know, and and the same thing,

1382
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:32,279
it's like if you're if you're selling CE five conferences

1383
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,760
or you know, these humongous speaking.

1384
01:12:35,399 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 2: Fees and you know, and I don't.

1385
01:12:37,079 --> 01:12:40,319
Speaker 1: I don't fault anyone for wanting to make a good

1386
01:12:40,399 --> 01:12:43,760
living at this. People should be paid well for doing

1387
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,399
things that they enjoy doing. But I think that that

1388
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:51,640
it crosses a line once once you're kind of shoveling this,

1389
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,560
that kind of kind of stuff. So anyway, my two

1390
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,880
cents worth, okay from Tracy.

1391
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,079
Speaker 4: Hot Mott, please, Yeah, really So.

1392
01:12:59,239 --> 01:13:03,239
Speaker 3: I just watched the recent Steven Greer documentary, and I

1393
01:13:03,279 --> 01:13:05,760
will always say to folks, never listen to my opinion

1394
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,279
on anyone in this topic. Make up your own mind.

1395
01:13:09,319 --> 01:13:12,439
I've shared my thoughts on Stephen Greer so many times.

1396
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,079
I believe he had good intentions, some good sources, some

1397
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,680
good knowledge. Whether that's still the case now many decades later,

1398
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:23,680
I don't necessarily think so. His new documentary was an

1399
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:27,760
incredibly difficult watch for me because I actually forgot at

1400
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,960
the beginning. They've set it up as Stephen Greer takes

1401
01:13:31,039 --> 01:13:35,039
a group of I'm guessing people who have paid him,

1402
01:13:35,079 --> 01:13:37,119
but they don't mention that, but a group of folks

1403
01:13:37,159 --> 01:13:43,279
attending his workshop to initiate CE five contact NHI, and

1404
01:13:44,079 --> 01:13:46,239
it's all about them. The documentary is meant to be

1405
01:13:46,279 --> 01:13:49,000
focused on the group. You then see ninety minutes of

1406
01:13:49,039 --> 01:13:51,600
Stephen Greer talking, and then at the end he bring

1407
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,359
the group back in. Now I'm being a bit facetious.

1408
01:13:54,399 --> 01:13:59,520
There are small snippets of individuals speaking, but it's a

1409
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,279
mix of Stephen Greer's opinion and some Stephen Greer stand

1410
01:14:02,359 --> 01:14:05,079
up because he puts in so many quips which are

1411
01:14:05,079 --> 01:14:07,840
actually some of them are quite funny and cutting. But

1412
01:14:08,359 --> 01:14:11,279
I forgot it was about the group until the end

1413
01:14:11,359 --> 01:14:13,920
when they bring it back in with the monologue around

1414
01:14:14,079 --> 01:14:16,359
the group and the journey they've been on, and it

1415
01:14:16,399 --> 01:14:18,079
really just brought it home to me. This is all

1416
01:14:18,119 --> 01:14:21,239
about him, and this isn't about what he's trying to

1417
01:14:21,279 --> 01:14:23,600
do or convey. And if people there get something out

1418
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,479
of it, wonderful. If your thing is standing in front

1419
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,159
of a sixty five inch TV and being told what

1420
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:32,079
you're looking at is a when actually it's probably something

1421
01:14:32,119 --> 01:14:35,479
else like B, then that that's absolutely fine and that

1422
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,600
that's you're right. Much like I've got that book. You

1423
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,000
don't have to buy it. It's optional. I promise you

1424
01:14:41,279 --> 01:14:44,000
appreciate it if you do. But for me, it's just

1425
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,279
something out there for people. But I'm not going to

1426
01:14:46,279 --> 01:14:49,159
tell you it's something. It's not giving you the answers,

1427
01:14:49,399 --> 01:14:53,479
it's not giving you the definitive guide on UFOs, isn't that.

1428
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,600
It's just one guy's opinion on thirty four cases.

1429
01:14:57,039 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 4: That's it.

1430
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 3: And I'm not going to tell anyone who reads it

1431
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,840
and tells me it's crap or shit or lacked depth

1432
01:15:03,159 --> 01:15:06,039
or anything like that that they're wrong because that said

1433
01:15:06,079 --> 01:15:07,560
opinion and then entitled to it.

1434
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,039
Speaker 4: And I think there should be more of that in

1435
01:15:09,079 --> 01:15:09,960
the UFO topic.

1436
01:15:11,119 --> 01:15:13,279
Speaker 3: And yeah, if anyone wants to watch that Stephen Greer

1437
01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:15,000
documentary and get in touch with me and tell me

1438
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,479
they like it, I'd love to hear other reasons why.

1439
01:15:18,359 --> 01:15:20,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I'm with you on that. It's like, I

1440
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:22,880
have no idea what any of this stuff is. I

1441
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,399
couldn't tell you. I'm not going to even venture you

1442
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,560
venture to guess. I mean, I've you know, I've experienced

1443
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:33,039
this stuff quite a few times, and I have no

1444
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:37,159
better opinion or whatever it could be, you know who

1445
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:40,920
who who knows? I actually I have a very interesting

1446
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,279
theory about Stephen Greer.

1447
01:15:42,359 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 2: Do you want to hear it?

1448
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:44,359
Speaker 4: Go for it.

1449
01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:49,319
Speaker 1: I actually my theory is that he was probably a

1450
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:54,720
medical officer in the UAP Deep Legacy Program and then

1451
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,760
at some point bailed out. He probably I don't know,

1452
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,279
maybe he got screwed or what ever. And he he

1453
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:06,960
has uh has a bunch of stuff that they won't

1454
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,520
mess with him on and that's why they seem to

1455
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:11,279
leave him alone.

1456
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:15,079
Speaker 2: Just my personal theory. I have no idea. I just yeah,

1457
01:16:15,279 --> 01:16:17,520
for what it's for what it's worth. Okay.

1458
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 1: So from Tracy Hutchings ninety six seven one, It's nice

1459
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,560
to see Andy on the other side of the microphone.

1460
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,640
That UFO podcast is one of my favorites. Thanks Matt

1461
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:28,119
and Andy.

1462
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:30,520
Speaker 4: All right, thank you, Tracy.

1463
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 1: Okay, great, same here, all right, Mistletoe forty nine sixty one.

1464
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:36,600
Speaker 2: Love Andy's pod.

1465
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:41,560
Speaker 1: Everyone should should catch and subscribe. So yeah, so how

1466
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:42,800
can folks find your show?

1467
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:49,199
Speaker 3: They can find on any podcasting platform, on YouTube, on

1468
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:52,319
x on anything, if they just type in that UFO podcast.

1469
01:16:52,319 --> 01:16:55,840
It's got a website, that UFO podcast dot com. And

1470
01:16:56,239 --> 01:16:59,319
if they really like it, there's YouTube and Patriot memberships

1471
01:16:59,319 --> 01:17:02,000
and Apple for each files. But the content goes out

1472
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,039
almost all of it's free. Anything that isn't free as

1473
01:17:05,279 --> 01:17:08,079
sort of opinion pieces or bonus shows and content stuff

1474
01:17:08,119 --> 01:17:10,199
like that. But like you say, I've done nearly a

1475
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:15,399
thousand shows. I'm a dad of three little kids. My

1476
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,439
wife puts up with me doing this kind of hobbied

1477
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:19,840
it turned into a full time job. I put a

1478
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:21,479
lot of time and effort into it, and I hope

1479
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:23,600
people enjoy it, much like you do, Matt as well.

1480
01:17:24,399 --> 01:17:27,279
And all I want to do is offer my opinion,

1481
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:31,560
my thoughts, and platform folks to share their opinion thoughts

1482
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:35,279
and work that allow people to make informed decisions, whether

1483
01:17:35,319 --> 01:17:37,039
they like what I say, whether they like what the

1484
01:17:37,119 --> 01:17:40,159
guests say, or they don't. And I think that just

1485
01:17:40,239 --> 01:17:42,560
kind of helps us all make better decisions moving forward.

1486
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:45,520
Speaker 1: With you on that. Okay, this is from the truth

1487
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:49,399
is up there question? Could the UAP movement benefit from

1488
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:53,279
a comic Con level of events touring cities annually with

1489
01:17:53,399 --> 01:17:58,239
podcasters hosting panels with the likes of Nolan Pasoca and Streaber.

1490
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we kind of get it though, don't we.

1491
01:18:03,079 --> 01:18:05,199
Speaker 3: And I think this is one of the issues with

1492
01:18:05,279 --> 01:18:09,399
the UAP topic or community now. I mean, back in

1493
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:13,079
twenty twenty one, it was really quite united, and that

1494
01:18:13,119 --> 01:18:15,399
includes the social media presence as well. And there was

1495
01:18:15,399 --> 01:18:17,319
a lot of folks involved doing some really good work

1496
01:18:17,319 --> 01:18:20,840
who maybe don't do that anymore for various different reasons.

1497
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,000
I mean, even back in the day, Stephen green Street

1498
01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:27,079
was one of the people championing the topic along with

1499
01:18:27,199 --> 01:18:31,600
Nick Pop believe it or not. And I think now

1500
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:35,239
it's so much more. It's almost more compartmentalized that we

1501
01:18:35,359 --> 01:18:38,359
keep hearing everyone talk about. It was like you had

1502
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:42,199
most folks behind Aluela Zondo, and then other folks came forward,

1503
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,720
and now everyone seems so splintered, and often little groups

1504
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:52,039
and militias and people don't trust each other, and it's

1505
01:18:52,079 --> 01:18:54,239
a much more fractured place. And that kind of goes

1506
01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:57,119
across the board. Everyone's got their own piece of the pie,

1507
01:18:57,319 --> 01:19:00,760
and people are a lot more wary of put themselves

1508
01:19:01,119 --> 01:19:04,800
into groups and clicks and you get them. And I've

1509
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,239
just had Darcy Weir on not long ago talking about

1510
01:19:07,239 --> 01:19:11,800
his book The Cosmic Con his books, sorry, documentary, The

1511
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,439
Cosmic Con. And you see, you see some of these

1512
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:18,520
I won't name conferences, right, And it's no offense to them,

1513
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,439
these people sitting at tables giving themselves awards every year

1514
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,960
for best this or best that, and it's like, for

1515
01:19:26,119 --> 01:19:29,600
fuck's sake again, sorry folks, but the Scottish onmy comes

1516
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,079
out sometimes. I just don't have a lot of time

1517
01:19:32,119 --> 01:19:34,119
for that kind of stuff, that kind of self aggrandize

1518
01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:36,319
and pats on the back well done as for being

1519
01:19:37,279 --> 01:19:40,560
you know in the US. And maybe it's a US thing, folks, apologies, right,

1520
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,000
I'm going to I'm going to take a beat in here, probably,

1521
01:19:43,359 --> 01:19:45,439
But you know when you called something the World Series

1522
01:19:46,039 --> 01:19:49,039
or that the other world Champions, yet only folks in

1523
01:19:49,039 --> 01:19:53,000
the US can enter, Like, what's what's the point that?

1524
01:19:53,239 --> 01:19:55,319
And it seems like there's UFO groups that do the same,

1525
01:19:55,399 --> 01:20:01,239
where there's like a champion championing of themselves and they're

1526
01:20:01,279 --> 01:20:05,800
protecting whatever money they bring in. My Stephen Greer thoughts

1527
01:20:06,079 --> 01:20:07,399
he had a lot of good opinions, a lot of

1528
01:20:07,399 --> 01:20:11,439
good ideas, and over the years, as the money came

1529
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:14,720
in and he realized he could really make good for

1530
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:18,399
himself more power to them, he went with it. And

1531
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,399
that's why he now shares pictures of the back of

1532
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:24,239
chairs and claims aliens that only talk to him and

1533
01:20:24,279 --> 01:20:27,760
no one else. Remember that, folks, So yeah, I think

1534
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,119
there could be a place I like that comic constyle idea,

1535
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:33,600
But I think you would have to get a truly

1536
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,520
good mix of people across that, and I don't know

1537
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:40,159
if for all those people would allow their egos to

1538
01:20:40,319 --> 01:20:44,680
do that and be vulnerable. I've got ideas for shows.

1539
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:46,600
I'm sure you'd be the same I would love to host.

1540
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,000
Let me just pick some names out of hat. Louilazondo,

1541
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:55,800
Stephen Greer, Danny Shean, Richard Dolan, and George Napp. Right,

1542
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:59,039
give me the five of those live for three hours

1543
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:02,319
on a podcast and let me direct questions at them

1544
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:03,359
and for each other.

1545
01:21:04,279 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 4: Would any of those do that?

1546
01:21:06,119 --> 01:21:08,119
Speaker 3: Maybe some of them, but I tell you I know

1547
01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:11,800
someone that definitely wouldn't. And I think there's a and

1548
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,680
that's not to benefit me. Put it on anyone's put

1549
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:15,279
them on Rogan?

1550
01:21:15,359 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 2: Right, do that?

1551
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 4: Put them on Joe Rogan. They won't do that.

1552
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 3: And I think there's folks and that'll be another that

1553
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,760
wouldn't talk to each other because they very quickly get

1554
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:23,760
found out.

1555
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1556
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole sort of self aggrandizing thing and giving

1557
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,079
giving people awards, I don't know, And where I come from,

1558
01:21:31,079 --> 01:21:38,159
we call that a circle jerk. So yeah, all right,

1559
01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:42,319
Now this question I really debated whether I wanted to

1560
01:21:42,399 --> 01:21:44,720
ask you on air. It's probably going to put you

1561
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:48,479
in a really difficult spot, but you know, hey, it's

1562
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,000
it's my job to ask.

1563
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 4: Difficult as it is that guy saying well no.

1564
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 1: Well okay, so and if you don't, if you if

1565
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:59,640
you want to pass on this, I understand and I

1566
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:03,319
hope still in an spat. Okay, this is from dub

1567
01:22:03,359 --> 01:22:07,560
Snapper forty seven eighty seven. Here it goes, and again,

1568
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:11,600
pass on it if you want. Will Andy ever support

1569
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,520
Celtic rather than Rangers?

1570
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:19,199
Speaker 4: Absolute ridiculous question. No, I certainly will not.

1571
01:22:20,399 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 3: I'm a Ranger supporter. That's my football club, that's my team.

1572
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,439
Celtic are not a nice club, delusional fan base. Thanks

1573
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:29,880
to all those who sign up to my patren who

1574
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,600
are Celtic fans and regularly remind me of it when

1575
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,319
Rangers don't win. But right now things aren't too bad

1576
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,600
and we've got a sugar daddy from the United States.

1577
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:42,359
Funding is currently so thank you Andrew Kavana and his

1578
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:46,119
multi billion dollar empire. So yeah, no, I will never

1579
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:47,000
be a Celtic fan.

1580
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, leave that one there here.

1581
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:51,359
Speaker 2: All right, there you go.

1582
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:57,239
Speaker 1: Okay, Louis Walcianca sevent three. Do you cover Rendallsham in

1583
01:22:57,279 --> 01:23:01,000
your book? Andy, I don't I think you about this.

1584
01:23:01,039 --> 01:23:02,600
I believe that I don't recall your answer.

1585
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 3: Oh that's a great question. I'm really fond of that question.

1586
01:23:07,399 --> 01:23:10,000
Off the top of my head. Having to look through

1587
01:23:10,039 --> 01:23:15,359
the book, I think the answer is yes, I do

1588
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:19,359
in chapter fourteen. So yeah, I was thinking that was

1589
01:23:19,359 --> 01:23:22,159
that one of those that I didn't include, but I did, Yes,

1590
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:25,279
So Rendall Schum is in there. I was really fortunate

1591
01:23:25,319 --> 01:23:28,520
to I've done a series called Encounters, which was not

1592
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,960
me in the podcast. It was with another podcast company

1593
01:23:32,399 --> 01:23:35,760
and myself and another host went through over six or

1594
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,760
eight episodes the Rendal Shum for his story, and we

1595
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:40,199
had various folks.

1596
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,079
Speaker 4: Was Nick Pope a part of that?

1597
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 3: He might have been, and I didn't interview him for it,

1598
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,840
but Charles Halt was. When I view Charles Halt, and

1599
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,199
there's a lot of great audio from him on that story.

1600
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:55,640
So yeah, yeah, cover Rendal Shum. Really interesting, really interesting story.

1601
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,279
A lot of misinformation over the years. I think a

1602
01:23:58,279 --> 01:24:00,359
lot of folks have tried to make money, make a

1603
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:03,840
name off of that still to this day.

1604
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:05,119
Speaker 4: But fascinating case.

1605
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:10,079
Speaker 3: Something definitely happened there, something more than likely I believe

1606
01:24:10,199 --> 01:24:13,199
is extraterrestrial, and it's linked to the fact there was

1607
01:24:13,239 --> 01:24:14,960
nuclear weapons or on that base.

1608
01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 2: Got it okay? On the show here.

1609
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 1: When we do do live shows, we're very fortunate to

1610
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:26,159
have moderators that kind of keep things together in the

1611
01:24:26,279 --> 01:24:29,479
chat and that questions and whatnot. And this is from

1612
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,279
one of our moderators, Duane. I wouldn't mind getting Andy's

1613
01:24:33,319 --> 01:24:38,239
take on Jim Lekatski's latest statement on weaponized of someone

1614
01:24:38,399 --> 01:24:39,920
lying to Congress if you.

1615
01:24:42,279 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 2: Basically he's saying.

1616
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:48,359
Speaker 1: That, I think Lekatski said that if if you know

1617
01:24:48,399 --> 01:24:52,039
they're part of a SAP or whatever, that they can

1618
01:24:52,199 --> 01:24:54,800
lie to Congress if they choose, if they choose to.

1619
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:56,399
Speaker 2: I think that's what he means by that.

1620
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: Curious if you have any any any thoughts about that

1621
01:24:59,319 --> 01:25:01,960
or Jim Jim Lekatski in general.

1622
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,079
Speaker 3: For a start, I don't believe just because someone says

1623
01:25:06,119 --> 01:25:08,560
they are doing it under oath that makes any difference.

1624
01:25:09,039 --> 01:25:11,239
I think when you talk about things like legacy UAP

1625
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:17,680
programs or high level cases of people being unalive drugs Epstein,

1626
01:25:18,039 --> 01:25:21,000
people will lie regardless of being under oath or not,

1627
01:25:21,159 --> 01:25:22,039
that makes no difference.

1628
01:25:22,079 --> 01:25:25,560
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think. I know Lakatski has hinted.

1629
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 3: I know folks have a lot of folks online have

1630
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,880
said he's talking about Elizondo. I know some folks have

1631
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,800
said he was talking about Schellenberger when he was presenting

1632
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:38,079
the Macculate constellation stuff that I know Jerry mccorbell was

1633
01:25:38,119 --> 01:25:43,319
thrilled about. So I'm guessing one of those two, or

1634
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:49,199
he's hinting at Grush. Yeah, so I'm guessing it's one

1635
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:53,000
of those three. Lakatski is a funny character because he's

1636
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,000
he's been very coy. I was close to getting them

1637
01:25:56,039 --> 01:26:01,399
on my podcast, but it never happened through a through someone. Basically,

1638
01:26:02,119 --> 01:26:05,239
he keeps himself very much through weaponized and I get

1639
01:26:05,239 --> 01:26:09,319
that he's comfortable with George and George Napp's one of

1640
01:26:09,359 --> 01:26:11,239
the best people to ask these questions to be fair.

1641
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:14,119
Speaker 4: So yeah, do.

1642
01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:16,119
Speaker 3: I think people have sat if I had answered it

1643
01:26:16,199 --> 01:26:18,239
more broadly? Do I think people have sat and lied

1644
01:26:18,279 --> 01:26:21,199
in front of Congress and these hearings, Yes, Brain Moulitiz

1645
01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:22,279
certain certainly did.

1646
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, A big daddy run Ronald Moultriey is what

1647
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:28,920
I like, what I like to call him.

1648
01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:31,039
Speaker 2: Okay, well, awesome, Well, thank you for being here.

1649
01:26:31,119 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 1: Of course the book is once again holding it up

1650
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:36,960
here in just a beautiful book.

1651
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,319
Speaker 2: This is definitely coffee table material.

1652
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: Just really fantastic atlas of unidentified flying objects and unidentified

1653
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:53,760
anomalous phenomena. How can people find this lovely book? Purchase

1654
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:54,279
this book.

1655
01:26:55,239 --> 01:26:58,239
Speaker 3: It's on all kinds of websites, including Barnes and Noble,

1656
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:01,640
some really ethical selling companies. I know some folks are

1657
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,279
against Amazon, but Amazon is the easiest place to get it.

1658
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:06,520
If they buy it, please leave a review. If you

1659
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,880
bought it already, leave a review. It's available on Kindle,

1660
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:13,880
and it's on audiobooks soon, which I will be reading,

1661
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:16,640
believe it or not. Yes, I am reading with this

1662
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:20,439
accent and audiobook. So yeah, And even if you don't

1663
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:23,720
read it, folks, great coffee table book. If your coffee

1664
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,800
table has one of those wobbly legs, you can put

1665
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:27,600
the book under it and it all kind of steady

1666
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:27,960
it out.

1667
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 4: It's pretty sturdy.

1668
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 3: If any intruders break into your home, smack them over

1669
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:32,359
the head with it.

1670
01:27:32,359 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 4: I'll do some damage.

1671
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:36,359
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's multipurpose, multi use book like it's like

1672
01:27:36,399 --> 01:27:38,960
the original iPad with infinity battery life.

1673
01:27:39,239 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 4: So yeah, go pick it up.

1674
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 1: Awesome, right, well, highly highly highly recommend it. And of

1675
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:48,880
course your show, that UFO podcast. I imagine everyone can

1676
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,640
find that on their favorite podcasting platform.

1677
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, their favorites are the ones they hate.

1678
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 3: They all host it one and the same, so yeah,

1679
01:27:57,039 --> 01:27:58,279
thank you if they drop it a follow.

1680
01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:02,159
Speaker 2: Awesome, Andy, thank you, thank you so much for joining us.

1681
01:28:02,159 --> 01:28:05,279
Speaker 1: This has really been just fantastic, huge fan of your work,

1682
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,560
a huge fan of this book. I encourage everyone to

1683
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:13,640
certainly subscribe to your show, support your show, and.

1684
01:28:14,039 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 2: Buy this book.

1685
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,680
Speaker 1: You know what a great way to open up the

1686
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:21,560
conversation when you have friends and family over at your home,

1687
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:24,439
then to have this sitting on the coffee table and

1688
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:29,199
people can go through it and have a educated conversation

1689
01:28:29,239 --> 01:28:30,000
about this topic.

1690
01:28:30,119 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 2: So very much appreciate that.

1691
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 3: Awesome, And people can get signed copies of it if

1692
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:36,359
they just contact me directly.

1693
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 4: You just have to pay the postage.

1694
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:41,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, so there's that final plug to grift away

1695
01:28:42,359 --> 01:28:42,760
all right.

1696
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:47,119
Speaker 1: Well, ended on that grifting note, all right, Well, next

1697
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:48,840
time I see you, I'm sure you're going to be

1698
01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:51,880
living on some massive island with all of the money

1699
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,840
that you've made off of this book, and I certainly

1700
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:56,720
hope you'll pay for my airfare to come over there.

1701
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,159
Speaker 3: Can I just say not Epstein's Island, not.

1702
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:02,520
Speaker 1: Going there yet?

1703
01:29:03,079 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 4: I was not there.

1704
01:29:04,119 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 3: I was not on the island, but some other nondescript

1705
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:09,359
island that does not have lots of young children other

1706
01:29:09,399 --> 01:29:09,880
than my own.

1707
01:29:10,039 --> 01:29:11,319
Speaker 4: So I just have to get out there.

1708
01:29:13,359 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.

1709
01:29:14,079 --> 01:29:16,520
Speaker 1: Awesome, Well, Andy, thank you so much for joining us.

1710
01:29:17,199 --> 01:29:19,239
Speaker 4: Thanks Matt, Okay, cool, all.

1711
01:29:19,159 --> 01:29:21,600
Speaker 2: Right, great, fantastic.

1712
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 4: Right.

1713
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:27,359
Speaker 1: So anyway, I just love love his work, and I

1714
01:29:27,399 --> 01:29:29,319
think one of the things that I love about Andy

1715
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:33,880
is is he is just just a very genuine, humble

1716
01:29:34,359 --> 01:29:37,760
guy who's just doing a really great job at at

1717
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,279
this at this topic. And then also I want to

1718
01:29:40,319 --> 01:29:42,800
say too, for those of you that have been watching

1719
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:46,199
the show, we really appreciate it. If you're not subscribed,

1720
01:29:46,279 --> 01:29:49,640
please please hit that button, ring the bell, leave a comment,

1721
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,239
give us a thumbs up. I know all that sounds

1722
01:29:52,239 --> 01:29:53,960
like a bunch of blowney.

1723
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,319
Speaker 2: But but here's why it matters.

1724
01:29:55,359 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 1: YouTube sees all of that and basically says to itself. Hey,

1725
01:29:59,119 --> 01:30:01,520
maybe we should reckon The Good Trouble Show to people

1726
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:04,920
who do not know it exists. And that's how all

1727
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,000
of that works. And of course you can find us

1728
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:10,039
on all of your favorite podcasting platforms if you'd like

1729
01:30:10,039 --> 01:30:12,359
to listen to us on the go. And last thing,

1730
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:15,840
and I promise we have no sponsors on this show.

1731
01:30:16,239 --> 01:30:16,520
Speaker 2: Zero.

1732
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:20,239
Speaker 1: We are completely kept alive entirely by people like you

1733
01:30:20,279 --> 01:30:22,439
who are watching. So if you want to help us

1734
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,800
pay the studio rent here in La, super chats are

1735
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,840
always open. I think you can always donate via Superchat

1736
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,199
even after the show is done. And we are also

1737
01:30:31,239 --> 01:30:34,960
on Patreon at www dot patreon dot com forward slash

1738
01:30:35,239 --> 01:30:38,680
the Good Trouble Show and yeah, like I said, you

1739
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:43,239
can support us with the super chats And anyway, just

1740
01:30:44,079 --> 01:30:48,119
a couple of thoughts and a bit unprepared today. We

1741
01:30:48,199 --> 01:30:52,000
had some technical issues right up until right up until

1742
01:30:52,039 --> 01:30:54,439
we were about to air, so I didn't really have

1743
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:56,560
kind of the normal amount of time that I have

1744
01:30:57,119 --> 01:30:59,399
to prep on this on this kind of stuff, sort

1745
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:07,239
of my exteporaneous thoughts. A couple of things regarding Trump

1746
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:12,079
revealing anything on this I certainly hope that is the case.

1747
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:16,000
I think that we are very fortunate to have members

1748
01:31:16,039 --> 01:31:19,319
of Congress such as Anna Paulina Luna, who I had

1749
01:31:19,319 --> 01:31:22,640
the pleasure of meeting personally backstage at real time with

1750
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:27,840
Bill Maher and had a very extensive conversation with some

1751
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:32,159
members of her staff regarding ARROW, the Pentagon's UFO office,

1752
01:31:32,239 --> 01:31:36,039
the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, and essentially I was

1753
01:31:36,079 --> 01:31:40,039
making the case that ARROW needed to be defunded. They

1754
01:31:40,079 --> 01:31:43,680
are not who they say they are. They cannot be trusted.

1755
01:31:44,199 --> 01:31:46,279
I think that you're going.

1756
01:31:46,079 --> 01:31:46,520
Speaker 2: To see some.

1757
01:31:48,079 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 1: Signs of collusion, if that's the right word, between doctor

1758
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:57,159
Sean Kirkpatrick and the current Arrow, the current ARROW leadership.

1759
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:00,560
I've mentioned on the show that I received even an

1760
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:04,439
invitation to apply for a job from their recruiter. There.

1761
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 2: There actually was their recruiter. It's there.

1762
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:13,760
Speaker 1: Their new contractor that runs everything. Uh it era excuse me,

1763
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:21,119
Arow was is no longer run by uh by Blanket

1764
01:32:21,159 --> 01:32:22,680
on the Dame. That's what I get for trying to

1765
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:23,399
do this on the fly.

1766
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 2: Here.

1767
01:32:24,079 --> 01:32:28,239
Speaker 1: They are now run by a contractor called Arlow Arlow Solutions.

1768
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:32,359
It is no longer the previous contractor, sand Corp. That's

1769
01:32:32,359 --> 01:32:32,760
what it is.

1770
01:32:33,159 --> 01:32:35,319
Speaker 2: Uh SANDCRP lost the job.

1771
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:39,640
Speaker 1: Arrow basically fired them and it is now run by

1772
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:42,640
Arlow Solutions, who uh and we're going to do an

1773
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:46,479
episode about that coming up pretty soon. H Arlow actually

1774
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:49,159
does the meat of the work. It appears at at

1775
01:32:49,359 --> 01:32:53,359
UH at Arrow, and it was Arlow Solutions that reached

1776
01:32:53,359 --> 01:32:57,399
out to me via LinkedIn and said, hey, we we

1777
01:32:57,479 --> 01:32:59,800
think you would be a good fit for this job.

1778
01:33:00,119 --> 01:33:04,359
Speaker 2: And of course part of the desired job.

1779
01:33:04,199 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 1: Qualifications was they wanted me to have the background in

1780
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:16,000
information operations, information activities, and deception activities, which is essentially propaganda,

1781
01:33:16,079 --> 01:33:18,000
and that's what they were looking for. And as I

1782
01:33:18,119 --> 01:33:22,359
understand it, they actually reached out to another podcaster I

1783
01:33:22,399 --> 01:33:25,760
don't know who that is, but made a similar sort

1784
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:29,279
of hey, we would love for you to apply to Arrow,

1785
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,319
which of course I declined.

1786
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:33,159
Speaker 2: I'm not.

1787
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 1: You know, if anyone knows me, I speak the truth.

1788
01:33:37,119 --> 01:33:40,079
I speak truth to power. I really don't give a

1789
01:33:40,079 --> 01:33:43,119
fuck what the powers of be think, be it at

1790
01:33:43,119 --> 01:33:48,640
the Pentagon, CIA or whatever, fuck them, As Ross Coltart says,

1791
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:51,239
So the last thing I'm going to go do is

1792
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:56,039
work for the Pentagon. You know this show, I'm pretty

1793
01:33:56,079 --> 01:33:58,039
much working for free and have the whole time. We

1794
01:33:58,199 --> 01:34:01,079
barely are able to pay our rent here at the studio.

1795
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:04,680
Uh So even if they offered me a bajillion dollars

1796
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:07,600
to go work for the Pentagon, uh there's no there's

1797
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:09,800
there's no f and way that I would ever would

1798
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:11,720
ever do that because at the end of the day,

1799
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:15,720
we don't need people anymore, people lying to the public

1800
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:19,159
about what is going on. And we know that that

1801
01:34:19,319 --> 01:34:21,359
is what the government, that is what the Pentagon, that

1802
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:23,800
is what the CIA, that is what the National Security

1803
01:34:24,159 --> 01:34:28,720
uh uh national Security Council has done is continually lie

1804
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:31,560
to the American public about what is going on with

1805
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:35,640
the UFO UAP issue, as well as lying to Congress.

1806
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,840
And and again, I just my head is off to

1807
01:34:39,159 --> 01:34:43,119
Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna. She's a Republican, I'm a Democrat,

1808
01:34:43,319 --> 01:34:46,279
but you know what, I have such immense respect for her.

1809
01:34:47,239 --> 01:34:50,479
We may not agree on every issue, being on different

1810
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:52,560
sides of the aisle, but you know what we need,

1811
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:56,359
We need more members of Congress by Congresswoman Luna. She

1812
01:34:56,720 --> 01:35:01,279
is not afraid to call it like is. She's not

1813
01:35:01,399 --> 01:35:05,039
afraid to call out the corruption that that exists on

1814
01:35:05,119 --> 01:35:08,760
both sides of the Aisle, Republican and Democrat. You know

1815
01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:14,279
this woman, Ay, she's she's brilliant. She is uh. I

1816
01:35:14,279 --> 01:35:18,119
think many people are some people under underestimate her. She

1817
01:35:18,279 --> 01:35:22,199
is a a brilliant lawmaker, a brilliant mind, a very

1818
01:35:22,239 --> 01:35:27,039
strategic thinker. Her her staff, they are they are absolutely wonderful.

1819
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:29,880
And if if we didn't have people like Annapoline A

1820
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:34,000
Luna out there pushing uh, the Trump administration to move

1821
01:35:34,039 --> 01:35:36,359
on this and understand, you know, she's got.

1822
01:35:36,119 --> 01:35:39,079
Speaker 2: To be careful politically for you know, for herself.

1823
01:35:39,079 --> 01:35:42,039
Speaker 1: She can't push the Trump administration so much so that

1824
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:46,359
she catches heat from from the president. So she's really

1825
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:49,399
walking a tight rope and I think she's done so

1826
01:35:50,079 --> 01:35:54,840
in just a very brilliant manner. And again, we are

1827
01:35:55,039 --> 01:35:58,880
very lucky to have members of Congress like ANNAPOLINEA A Luna.

1828
01:35:59,159 --> 01:36:03,319
We need more people like her in Congress. There are

1829
01:36:03,319 --> 01:36:06,880
far too many that are afraid to speak the truth,

1830
01:36:07,239 --> 01:36:11,920
are afraid to hold their administration on their side of

1831
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:16,640
the aisle, that are afraid to hold their president president's

1832
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,479
feet to the fire. And I think that she certainly

1833
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:24,520
has done that in a very careful, strategic way. But yeah,

1834
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:28,680
I just I just think that she's fantastic. Of course,

1835
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:31,199
we have other members of Congress that are doing really

1836
01:36:31,239 --> 01:36:35,560
great work, such as Congressman Eric Berlason, Congressman.

1837
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:39,359
Speaker 2: Tim Bershett. I love Tempershett. I've tried to get.

1838
01:36:39,279 --> 01:36:42,119
Speaker 1: Him on the show and have not had any luck

1839
01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:44,960
with that. But what I would say to Congressman Burshett,

1840
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:47,840
if you are watching the show, and again I would

1841
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:50,399
love to have you on as my guest. I have

1842
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:53,319
a huge amount of respect for you as well. Is

1843
01:36:53,399 --> 01:36:59,000
I know that you put forth this legislation to defund Arrow,

1844
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:05,640
which Annapolina Luna called for, and I'll just say that

1845
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:10,119
my conversation had its intended effect with her staff. But

1846
01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:14,359
what I would say to Congressman Timbershett, firstly, thank you

1847
01:37:14,399 --> 01:37:17,920
for your advocacy and your fearlessness on this topic. You've

1848
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:21,039
got balls of steel, my friend, and I really do,

1849
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:25,199
really do respect that. But I and I don't have

1850
01:37:25,319 --> 01:37:27,960
the legislation in front of me. But as I understand it,

1851
01:37:28,079 --> 01:37:33,199
what Congressman Burshett is wanting to do is decentralize, get

1852
01:37:33,279 --> 01:37:36,479
rid of Arrow. But as I understand it, have it

1853
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:40,319
exist in multiple places under the Department of War or

1854
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:46,760
the Pentagon. And and I know this legislation is very

1855
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:52,640
well meaning and much as Congressman of Luna and Congresswoman

1856
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:56,159
Luna and Burlison, we are wildly, wildly grateful as a

1857
01:37:56,239 --> 01:37:59,399
nation to have lawmakers such as such as all of

1858
01:37:59,399 --> 01:38:02,239
you that are advocating for this. But what I would

1859
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:06,239
say to Congressman Burshett, I hope you will reconsider this

1860
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:11,960
is to put this problem set back under the purview

1861
01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:15,319
or to keep it within the purview of the Pentagon,

1862
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:19,039
I think is a really, really big mistake. I say

1863
01:38:19,039 --> 01:38:26,000
this out with all due respect to Congressman Burshett. This problem,

1864
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:31,720
the UAP problem set needs to be removed completely from

1865
01:38:32,079 --> 01:38:37,119
the Pentagon and placed under the Department of Homeland Security.

1866
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:41,319
And for a couple of reasons. Number one, we know

1867
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:44,119
that the Department of War. And it doesn't matter if

1868
01:38:44,159 --> 01:38:48,720
it's a Democrat in office or Republican in office, it

1869
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:52,600
doesn't matter. It's the deep state, the deep staters that

1870
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:56,000
have existed in the Pentagon. These guys, women and men

1871
01:38:56,039 --> 01:38:59,560
that sit in there for twenty years their entire career,

1872
01:39:00,079 --> 01:39:04,319
those are the folks in the Pentagon that are responsible

1873
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:07,720
for really kind of where we're at. They are responsible

1874
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:12,359
for the disinformation. They are responsible for the line to Congress,

1875
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:18,159
They are responsible for this continuous shell game of how

1876
01:39:18,199 --> 01:39:20,960
they are hiding it from all of you in Congress.

1877
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:25,800
And you know Anna Pauline a Luna, she has spoken

1878
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:33,399
publicly about how doctor Sean Kerpatrick has lied under oath

1879
01:39:34,399 --> 01:39:38,279
two members of Congress. So, Congressman Burushette, I really would

1880
01:39:38,399 --> 01:39:43,039
encourage you to not put this, not keep it in

1881
01:39:43,039 --> 01:39:45,720
the Pentagon. I agree, got to get rid of Arrow.

1882
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:49,520
It's a gigantic waste of money. I'll be doing an

1883
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:55,239
episode on that soon. It's at gigantic waste of money.

1884
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:58,800
But Congressman Bershette, to keep it in the Pentagon. Even

1885
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:02,600
if you disperse it under different areas, it's going to

1886
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:04,960
be the same thing. It's going to be more the

1887
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,720
same bullshit, more the same line to all of you

1888
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:11,960
in Congress, all these folks in the Pentagon laughing at

1889
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:16,039
all of you in Congress behind your backs. That's just

1890
01:40:16,119 --> 01:40:19,079
the way it is. And the second thing I would

1891
01:40:19,119 --> 01:40:24,760
say is legally, legally, the UAP problem set is supposed

1892
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:29,319
to be under the Department of Homeland Security. DHS has

1893
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:34,319
the legal authority over this issue. If I did some

1894
01:40:34,359 --> 01:40:39,119
research on this. The land mass in the continental United

1895
01:40:39,159 --> 01:40:44,159
States that is under Pentagon control is something like I

1896
01:40:44,199 --> 01:40:47,279
think it was one point four percent, So one point

1897
01:40:47,399 --> 01:40:51,640
four percent of the entire land mass of the continental

1898
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:57,680
United States, the United States of America is under Pentagon control.

1899
01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:02,720
The military bases, missile missile silos, and whatnot, the rest

1900
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:05,880
of it where all of this UAP stuff is happening.

1901
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:12,800
The Department of Homeland Security is responsible for all of that.

1902
01:41:14,359 --> 01:41:21,319
They are responsible for the defense, the oversight, the defense

1903
01:41:21,399 --> 01:41:26,720
of critical infrastructure of the United States airports, water treatment plants,

1904
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:32,479
nuclear facilities, you name it. That is under the DHS purview.

1905
01:41:33,159 --> 01:41:36,439
So Congressman burshett I would encourage you to revise this

1906
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:42,239
legislation and make the case which your staff will easily

1907
01:41:42,279 --> 01:41:46,920
find the laws that will support exactly what I'm telling

1908
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:53,680
you right now, legislation that specifically puts the UAP problem

1909
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:59,760
set under the Department of Homeland Security. That's where it belongs.

1910
01:42:00,199 --> 01:42:04,239
It needs to be removed from the Pentagon, from the

1911
01:42:04,279 --> 01:42:08,399
Department of War, to whatever extent it can be removed

1912
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:12,680
from the Central Intelligence Agency, who is the major stakeholder

1913
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:13,439
in this whole thing.

1914
01:42:14,359 --> 01:42:19,000
Speaker 2: It needs to be given to DHS. Yes, get rid

1915
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:19,520
of Arrow.

1916
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:23,840
Speaker 1: Arrow is a shit show. They're wasting taxpayer money like

1917
01:42:24,039 --> 01:42:29,159
you wouldn't believe. It is a disinformation operation. Arrow is

1918
01:42:29,279 --> 01:42:33,720
meant to make all of these congressional hearings go away.

1919
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:37,600
Arrow is there to try and make all of you

1920
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:42,479
in Congress look like fools for examining and holding hearings

1921
01:42:42,479 --> 01:42:45,439
on all this stuff. You got to get it away

1922
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:49,159
from the Pentagon. They are going to lie to you

1923
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:52,439
on a continual basis. They're going to continue to lie

1924
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:56,159
to the American public so long as the UAP problem

1925
01:42:56,239 --> 01:43:02,119
set is under the Pentagon. Congressman Bushet Burlison, Luna, you

1926
01:43:02,239 --> 01:43:04,039
got to get it out of the Pentagon. You've got

1927
01:43:04,079 --> 01:43:08,119
to stick it in DHS. That's where it legally is

1928
01:43:08,159 --> 01:43:13,039
supposed to be. That is what the federal law states

1929
01:43:13,039 --> 01:43:17,199
in terms of the domains that that DHS is uh

1930
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IS is has oversight of. So so burshett a band, brother.

1931
01:43:24,039 --> 01:43:26,600
I love what you're doing. We are lucky to have

1932
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:31,199
lawmakers such as yourself, Luna and Burlison. But but out

1933
01:43:31,199 --> 01:43:35,880
of with all due respects, sir, the legislation needs to

1934
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:39,199
be changed such that the UAP problem set is taken

1935
01:43:39,239 --> 01:43:44,479
out of the Pentagon and put under DHS. So that's

1936
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:50,840
enough enough of that. Finally, I just I asked Andy

1937
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:53,920
this question earlier, and I think the question I have

1938
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:57,199
to look at my notes, but but it essentially was

1939
01:43:58,319 --> 01:44:01,960
is there anything that you did believe when you first

1940
01:44:02,079 --> 01:44:06,279
got into this topic that after Andy has been at

1941
01:44:06,279 --> 01:44:08,800
this six years and done all of these wonderful shows

1942
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:13,960
that now he believes And you know, he basically spoke

1943
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:19,760
about the TIC TAC possibly being a drone type thing,

1944
01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:21,399
if you want to call it, that, some kind of

1945
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:28,279
autonomously or intelligently controlled vehicle without having any kind of

1946
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:32,039
living entity inside of it, which I thought was a

1947
01:44:32,079 --> 01:44:34,319
really fascinating point. I think he brought up some really,

1948
01:44:34,359 --> 01:44:39,680
really really great points there. For me, my personal journey

1949
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:45,680
in this certainly has been the shock of seeing UAP

1950
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:49,359
over twenty times. I've never seen a solid craft. It's

1951
01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:52,000
always been an orb that has been above my home.

1952
01:44:52,039 --> 01:44:56,359
But having experienced that, certainly, experiencing the kind of paranormal

1953
01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:57,880
stuff that came along.

1954
01:44:57,600 --> 01:44:59,760
Speaker 2: With it, which I had no idea about.

1955
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:06,720
Speaker 1: All of that for me personally has been exciting, disturbing

1956
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:13,399
all of that. But I think for me the one

1957
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:18,560
thing that has disturbed me probably the most out of

1958
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:21,239
all of this, and I think I've been doing this

1959
01:45:21,319 --> 01:45:29,760
only three years now, is the really bad things that

1960
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:37,680
the United States government and in particular, some defense contractors

1961
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:47,640
have done to American citizens, to men and women that

1962
01:45:47,680 --> 01:45:51,000
have worn the uniform that have dared to speak up

1963
01:45:51,039 --> 01:45:55,199
about this. I encourage all of you to go and

1964
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:58,439
look at the episode I've weaponized. I think it was

1965
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:03,199
a Dylan Borland that's about some of the just absolutely

1966
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:07,399
absolutely criminal things that were done to him that very

1967
01:46:07,399 --> 01:46:13,399
easily could have have taken taken his life. I think

1968
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:14,119
as well.

1969
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:17,119
Speaker 2: Again, I'm on the left side of the aisle.

1970
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:19,439
Speaker 1: I used to think that everything Trump said was a

1971
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:22,479
bunch of bullshit until I found out that there is

1972
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:25,760
a decent amount that he has said that is not bullshit.

1973
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:28,199
Speaker 2: And one of those things is this deep state thing.

1974
01:46:29,119 --> 01:46:36,079
Speaker 1: Uh. It is true what this uh machine of unelected

1975
01:46:36,119 --> 01:46:43,760
bureaucrats that exists consistently from administration to administration. These these lifers,

1976
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:48,319
these uh, these deputy assistants of or or deputy of

1977
01:46:49,199 --> 01:46:51,640
all of those folks that are that are a part

1978
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:55,119
of this deep state machine. And when I say deep state,

1979
01:46:55,199 --> 01:46:57,840
I'm not trying to color it in in a in

1980
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:01,000
a Trump way or a Republican way, because this deep

1981
01:47:01,039 --> 01:47:06,640
state thing is regardless of party, uh it. It doesn't

1982
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:08,880
care who is in office, doesn't care if it's a

1983
01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:15,520
Republican or Democrat. This, this machine is there to control

1984
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:22,800
this entire narrative. And it's also there to retaliate against whistleblowers,

1985
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:28,439
against contract member of contractors, engineers, people that were that

1986
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:32,600
were working for defense contractors that are are involved in

1987
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:38,000
these waved under unacknowledged special access programs. This, this machine

1988
01:47:38,119 --> 01:47:42,920
is there to do some really horrible things to people.

1989
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:50,239
I there's a lot that I do on this topic,

1990
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:53,720
A great percentage of what I do that all of

1991
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:57,840
you at home are not privy to. There's a lot

1992
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:01,760
of behind the scenes stuff that I've involved with for

1993
01:48:02,239 --> 01:48:05,239
quite some time that I don't publicly speak about and

1994
01:48:05,279 --> 01:48:10,439
I will not speak about. And I have relationships with

1995
01:48:11,239 --> 01:48:14,640
many people in and out of the Department of Defense

1996
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:19,680
and the intelligence community, current and former folks. And when

1997
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:25,079
you when you get to know these people on a

1998
01:48:25,199 --> 01:48:33,039
personal level over many years, and you hear firsthand details

1999
01:48:33,079 --> 01:48:36,960
of things that have been done to these individuals that

2000
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:40,720
the public is not aware of They may know, they

2001
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:43,359
may be aware of that they've been harassed or things

2002
01:48:43,399 --> 01:48:47,520
like that, but they don't know the gritty details of

2003
01:48:48,479 --> 01:48:54,560
what has been done to destroy their lives, destroy their marriages,

2004
01:48:55,439 --> 01:49:03,239
destroy them financially, to either kill them or certainly endanger

2005
01:49:03,359 --> 01:49:08,119
their lives, or to try and mentally affect them.

2006
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:11,000
Speaker 2: It's it's horrible stuff.

2007
01:49:11,560 --> 01:49:13,039
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you, there are a lot

2008
01:49:13,039 --> 01:49:15,840
of times that I say to myself, I wish I

2009
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:20,880
didn't know what I know, because I think for me

2010
01:49:21,079 --> 01:49:25,760
it has made me very very sad about about what

2011
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:27,800
is going on in the world is certainly what is

2012
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:32,359
going on in the United States of America. And you know,

2013
01:49:32,439 --> 01:49:35,800
so when you when you have people like John Greenwald,

2014
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:38,600
who you know I made made a comment a while

2015
01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:41,840
back on the show that if if something ever happens

2016
01:49:41,880 --> 01:49:46,000
to me, it wasn't suicide, it wasn't a petty crime,

2017
01:49:46,119 --> 01:49:52,439
it wasn't a a crash or a mechanical failure, it

2018
01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:55,520
wasn't drugs, it wasn't you know, alcohol, I don't don't

2019
01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:59,720
do any of that. John Greenwald went in and basically

2020
01:50:00,199 --> 01:50:04,319
fun of it and had some kind of asinine comment

2021
01:50:04,479 --> 01:50:07,159
that John Greenwald usually has anyway.

2022
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:11,920
Speaker 2: But you know, here's the truth of the matter.

2023
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:14,439
Speaker 1: And this is where I don't trust John Greenwald, and

2024
01:50:14,479 --> 01:50:16,840
I personally think he is some kind of shill for

2025
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:20,760
the Deep Legacy program, is my personal opinion. I don't

2026
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:27,560
think John Greenwald is who he says he is knowing

2027
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:37,000
firsthand and hearing the pain and knowing firsthand what has

2028
01:50:37,039 --> 01:50:40,760
happened to people's health, what has happened to people's marriages.

2029
01:50:42,359 --> 01:50:45,840
Out of that, we're all a function of the retaliation

2030
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:55,359
from this deep State, from these contractors. It's it's disturbing

2031
01:50:55,680 --> 01:51:00,800
and it's sad. And when I hear someone like John

2032
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:05,640
Greenwald from the Black Vault, or Douglas Dene Johnson or

2033
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:07,640
others who.

2034
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:07,880
Speaker 2: Go in.

2035
01:51:09,399 --> 01:51:14,079
Speaker 1: Make light of it or belittle the people that have

2036
01:51:15,279 --> 01:51:20,399
had that kind of retaliation, it's sad and it really

2037
01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:24,159
makes you wonder why people like John Greenwald to do that,

2038
01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:31,119
or others why they seem to put a lot of

2039
01:51:31,159 --> 01:51:39,239
effort into discrediting whistleblowers and more importantly, discrediting concerns that

2040
01:51:39,279 --> 01:51:45,560
whistleblowers publicly talk about. It really makes you wonder who

2041
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:50,880
they're working for, and remember, part of people that are

2042
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:55,960
working in intelligence. They'll give they'll tell you fifty percent

2043
01:51:56,039 --> 01:51:59,720
that is true, maybe seventy five percent that is true.

2044
01:52:00,079 --> 01:52:05,199
That will help buttress their credibility. But then the twenty

2045
01:52:05,239 --> 01:52:09,640
five percent that they're putting out is intentional disinformation or

2046
01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:14,439
part of some kind of intelligence operation or whatever.

2047
01:52:15,159 --> 01:52:18,359
Speaker 2: And all I got to say is.

2048
01:52:21,079 --> 01:52:25,359
Speaker 1: The conversations that I have had with people who have

2049
01:52:26,319 --> 01:52:30,279
lost their spouses because the Air Force Office of Special

2050
01:52:30,319 --> 01:52:36,800
Investigation went in and specifically targeted their wives and through

2051
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:43,159
whatever means, talk their wives into leaving their spouses. The

2052
01:52:43,199 --> 01:52:46,159
stories I won't say stories, because they're not stories.

2053
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:48,520
Speaker 2: When I'm told about.

2054
01:52:50,000 --> 01:53:00,279
Speaker 1: Legacy Program security contractors, namely wacken Hut and the Pinkerton Group,

2055
01:53:00,279 --> 01:53:04,399
who are now two totally different renamed something Else, when

2056
01:53:04,439 --> 01:53:08,800
they're going into the homes of whistleblowers and rooting around

2057
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:15,640
in their addicts, when they're placing tracking devices on their

2058
01:53:15,720 --> 01:53:21,720
spouse's cars, When when you know these engineers and whatnot

2059
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:25,199
are receiving that kind of harassment is kind of a

2060
01:53:25,319 --> 01:53:29,159
message that you better shut the fuck up. All I

2061
01:53:29,239 --> 01:53:31,920
got to say to people like John Greenwald is you

2062
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:39,239
can fuck right off. Because when people like Greenwald go

2063
01:53:39,359 --> 01:53:43,840
out there and say, you know, you know, put out

2064
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:46,039
some bullshit post. So I can't believe Matt Ford is

2065
01:53:46,039 --> 01:53:50,079
saying this or whatever about you know, me feeling that

2066
01:53:50,319 --> 01:53:53,600
I need to publicly state that if something happens to me,

2067
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:57,600
that it wasn't what you think it is, or what

2068
01:53:57,640 --> 01:53:59,880
the what the police might say it is or whatnot.

2069
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:05,399
I'm one of many. I've been harassed once by the

2070
01:54:05,439 --> 01:54:08,119
intelligence community in Vegas at.

2071
01:54:08,159 --> 01:54:09,399
Speaker 2: The Waldorf Astoria.

2072
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:12,680
Speaker 1: I've had that happen one time, and it scared the

2073
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:17,399
shit out of me. But what I've experienced is nothing,

2074
01:54:18,239 --> 01:54:25,439
nothing compared to what these whistleblowers and engineers and others

2075
01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:26,960
have experienced.

2076
01:54:29,199 --> 01:54:29,640
Speaker 2: Nothing.

2077
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:34,079
Speaker 1: So when you have people like John Greenwald going out

2078
01:54:34,119 --> 01:54:37,760
there and trying to throw cold water on it, he

2079
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:41,960
can fuck right off. And I mean that in every

2080
01:54:42,239 --> 01:54:45,760
sense of the word, because it's a slap in the

2081
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:51,079
face to the men and women who have done way

2082
01:54:51,159 --> 01:54:56,000
more for disclosure than John Greenwald and his black Vault thing,

2083
01:54:57,119 --> 01:55:00,960
way more. They have sacrificed, way more or for this

2084
01:55:01,159 --> 01:55:05,680
country and this democracy than John Greenwald will ever do

2085
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:08,520
in the entirety of his life. And again, it's not

2086
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:12,680
just Greenwald you're hearing this from Sean Kirkpatrick. You're hearing

2087
01:55:12,680 --> 01:55:15,600
this from Tim Phillips, You've heard this from Dean Johnson,

2088
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:23,359
This concerted effort to do anything to discredit certain whistleblowers.

2089
01:55:25,079 --> 01:55:27,479
They're not just talking out of the side of their mouth.

2090
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:32,159
It is intentional. So when you have people posting on

2091
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:37,840
x that anybody going on and saying publicly, hey, if

2092
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:41,000
something happens to me, it's not you know, I didn't

2093
01:55:41,079 --> 01:55:43,319
kill myself. Was an alcohol, wasn't drugs, It wasn't a

2094
01:55:43,319 --> 01:55:46,000
petty robbery, none of that stuff. When they go out

2095
01:55:46,039 --> 01:55:48,119
there and they're trying to throw cold water on that,

2096
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:53,680
they can fuck right off because I know firstthand from

2097
01:55:55,159 --> 01:56:00,279
deep personal relationships with these individuals who have had just

2098
01:56:00,359 --> 01:56:08,439
about everything taken from them, their spouses, their retirements, their careers,

2099
01:56:08,680 --> 01:56:14,279
their security clearances, people cutting their brake lines, putting tracking

2100
01:56:14,319 --> 01:56:18,439
devices on their cars and their spouses cars. So when

2101
01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:22,920
John Greenwald goes out there and makes fun of it,

2102
01:56:23,239 --> 01:56:28,000
he can fuck right off. It's bullshit, and it is

2103
01:56:28,039 --> 01:56:31,199
a slap in the face to any man or woman

2104
01:56:31,479 --> 01:56:36,319
who has tried to do the right thing for this country.

2105
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:42,439
People getting microwaved with havana syndrome because all of a sudden,

2106
01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:45,479
they're on the radar, and even not publicly on the radar,

2107
01:56:46,039 --> 01:56:49,880
but they're on the radar of these defense contractors, of

2108
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:55,920
these defense contractors and their security contractors, and then they

2109
01:56:56,000 --> 01:57:00,039
end up getting microwaved and they end up having a

2110
01:57:00,119 --> 01:57:04,399
chemia or other physical ailments. This kind of stuff, folks,

2111
01:57:04,439 --> 01:57:07,880
is real. This isn't some fantasy thing. This isn't some

2112
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:12,159
bullshit world that John Greenwald and others live in. This

2113
01:57:12,199 --> 01:57:20,520
is happening, and people are getting hurt. We're already hearing

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about circumstances revolving around scientists and engineers and former people

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in the from the military that are all of a

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sudden disappearing. You have General mccasslan, there's a whole host

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of people. Something is going on. I don't know what

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it is, but it is not good.

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Speaker 2: It is not it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's not by chance. At this point, I certainly don't

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believe in any coincidences, but what is happening with these

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people that are former Air Force engineers for defense contractors

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or for the ffrdcs of federally funded research and development centers.

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I read just the other day another individual who worked

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for a contractor that built or builds the majority of

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many of the components used in our nuclear weapons disappeared.

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He walked out of the house with nothing but his handgun,

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and he's gone, this is happening.

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Speaker 2: You have people like.

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Speaker 1: Amy Estridge, who was a scientist an engineer in Huntsville Alley, Bama, who,

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by the evidence I have seen, did not commit suicide.

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Speaker 2: She was murdered.

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Speaker 1: Someone who was being continually harassed by private contractors in

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the United States for something like five years and she

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lost her life. She was working on this whole anti

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gravitic thing. And I have seen evidence related to this

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that the public has not seen, and it is it's disturbing,

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and it makes you realize that when you have have

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people that speak up, scientists that work on anti gravity

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or a whole host of things that the Northrop Grummings

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of the world and the deep state and the Legacy

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program do not want out. When you have people like

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that that are fearless like Amy Eskridge was, who were

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brilliant minds and had the method, had the scientific background

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and knowledge to create these things. These contractors, the deep

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Legacy program, that's a threat to them, that's a threat

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to their revenue. That is a threat to their livelihood,

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that is a threat to their place in the power structure.

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And when you have someone like her that if you

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go and you watch some of her live stream interviews

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she did one with her boyfriend, I want you to

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listen to the people that she talks about and the

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work she was doing, And when you listen to it,

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it is crystal clear she was going to be a

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threat to a lot of people in power. And it

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is crystal clear that she wasn't being targeted by China

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or Russia. She was living in a town that is

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the epicenter of all development of technology for our intelligence community,

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our space, military and space programs, missileed fence. This town, Huntsville,

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is teeming with people from the FBI because that town

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is also teaming with spies from our foreign adversaries, from China,

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from Russia. So, in a town that has who knows

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thousands of FBI agents running counterintelligence operations against all of

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these spies that are in there, to come in and

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do things like sit at bars and listen to engineers

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and scientists talk about things that maybe they shouldn't be

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talking about in a non classified setting. You have a

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town that is teaming with FBI agents, and yet you

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have a scientist who is being systematically harassed, her home

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being broken into, or apartment being broken into, her friends

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being their residence is being broken into, and calling cards

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being left. And I can tell you again the people

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that I speak to all the time that all of

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you at home will probably never know about what I

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have learned from them, and the retaliation that they have received,

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and the particular calling cards that are left in their

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homes by these members from these security contractors working for

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Northrop Grumman and others.

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Speaker 2: It all completely.

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Speaker 1: Matches with the stuff that I've certainly read about Amy

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Estridge and things that I have seen that the public

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has not been privy to. There is zero doubt in

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my mind she was murdered, and there is zero doubt

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my mind that it was from Americans. It was not

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from our foreign adversaries. So I say all of this

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to say this and there and there will be more

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that that you're going to be hearing from myself on

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this on the particular topic of Amy Estridge. But I

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say all of that to say that people's lives are

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being threatened, their way of living is being threatened, their

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marriages are being threatened, their physical safety is being threatened.

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This happens, and this continues to happen, and Members of

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Congress that are watching, this is something that you got

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to look into because our democracy cannot survive with this

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kind of stuff going on. This is not the America

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I want to be living in, and I would venture

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to guess all of you watching at home don't want

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to live in either. But people their lives are in jeopardy,

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and this has got to come to a stop. Anyway, folks,

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thanks for tuning in. Thank you very much to our

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I tried to respond to them. All of those things

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Speaker 2: So anyway, thanks tuning in.

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Speaker 1: I hope everyone has a wonderful, wonderful Sunday, and I

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can't announce the guests that we will have this coming Sunday,

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