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Hang on, hang on, I gotta 10 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:35,280 get my glasses here to see what the crawl here is. 11 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:39,039 Ukrainians were begging to reset talks, but we're told to 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:45,079 leave by Rubio. Trump felt disrespected by Zelensky's rhetoric and demeanor. 13 00:00:45,119 --> 00:00:47,920 Trump Zelensky meeting turns into shouting match. 14 00:00:48,439 --> 00:00:48,679 Speaker 2: JD. 15 00:00:48,799 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: Vance calls Zelensky disrespectful. Van says we need to engage 16 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,439 in diplomacy to end the war. Zelensky says, putin occupied 17 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:02,359 Ukraine and killed people. True, trying to litigate war in media. 18 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:06,719 Trump says, don't tell us how to feel. You're not 19 00:01:06,799 --> 00:01:10,640 in a good position. I mean this just you're gambling 20 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,760 with World War three. We played all of this audio, 21 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,719 so this was without US military equipment, the war would 22 00:01:17,719 --> 00:01:20,920 have been over in two weeks. That's what Trump said. Also, 23 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:28,319 I see Banchie at Red State. Well, first Emma Joe Morris, 24 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,319 who is I think she used to write over at 25 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,640 the New York Post. I want to say she said, 26 00:01:35,719 --> 00:01:40,400 Zelenski came in with demands like he's entitled to our money, 27 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,680 and then he started threatening America. This was the comment 28 00:01:43,719 --> 00:01:48,480 that he made about your oceans protect you. But you 29 00:01:48,519 --> 00:01:51,280 know at some point that you'll you will feel this too. 30 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,000 And that's when Trump lost it. And Trump is like, 31 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,680 don't tell us how to feel. You're not in a 32 00:01:57,719 --> 00:01:59,760 position to tell us anything. You don't know that in 33 00:01:59,799 --> 00:02:06,719 all like, and Banchi at Red State says, all he 34 00:02:06,799 --> 00:02:09,280 had to do was shake hands and sign the deal. 35 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,879 Going in there to set the record straight, quote unquote 36 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,319 was an ego move he didn't have the leverage to 37 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,439 pull off. Trump was never going to accept that. You 38 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,800 the argument that Ukraine is saving the United States as 39 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,400 some sort of a negotiating tactic, right if because I've 40 00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:33,280 heard that that argument made by you know, people in 41 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:38,000 America who want more support for Ukraine. They're like, you know, 42 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:40,680 we have to stop this now. Because you know it'll 43 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:45,639 eventually threaten us, sort of a domino theory iteration, and 44 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,240 Trump doesn't believe that. Trump is more than happy it 45 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:54,759 seems to just wipe his hands and walk away and 46 00:02:54,840 --> 00:03:00,639 let Europe handle it. So like you you're you're trying 47 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,719 to pressure a guy into doing some deal. The only 48 00:03:03,759 --> 00:03:06,840 reason he was even going to talk to the Ukraine president, 49 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:08,319 I believe, is because he was trying to get the 50 00:03:08,759 --> 00:03:11,280 mineral rights right. He was trying to get the mineral deal, 51 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:17,639 the rare earth minerals. So he said. If Trump says 52 00:03:17,719 --> 00:03:20,840 Zelenski isn't ready for a peace deal, and maybe that's true, 53 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:30,039 I don't know, but yeah, like I don't know, Yeah, 54 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,879 I don't know what what Zelensky is thinking, Like did 55 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,120 you not know who Donald Trump is when you showed up? 56 00:03:36,479 --> 00:03:40,479 Why would you, like, why why would you engage in 57 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,159 that kind And maybe they just all lost their coal 58 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:44,479 and maybe cooler heads prevail and they come back later. 59 00:03:44,639 --> 00:03:46,280 I don't know, Like I like I say, in the 60 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:48,759 Trump era, let's just give it a minute and we'll 61 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:54,400 see what happened, because I've never seen anything like that before. Uh, 62 00:03:54,479 --> 00:03:56,159 let me go over and take some calls here, this 63 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,400 is Gail. Hello, Gail Good, what's going on? 64 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:02,199 Speaker 3: Let me turn to speak off. 65 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,759 Speaker 4: I'm excited about coming on your show today. Well thanks, 66 00:04:06,439 --> 00:04:08,560 I hear if you're talking about Elon Munch, he's the 67 00:04:08,639 --> 00:04:10,599 home in the media, and you know I'm write. I'm 68 00:04:10,639 --> 00:04:13,280 a poet, so you know I've written the poem about him. 69 00:04:13,319 --> 00:04:15,400 But anyway, what I wanted to say about the gentleman 70 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:17,680 that was on the phone earlier before I havn't was 71 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,720 because I'm writing about the famous people that I have 72 00:04:21,879 --> 00:04:24,879 never met and probably never will. I wanted him to 73 00:04:24,959 --> 00:04:27,759 know there are pictures out there that show these people 74 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,560 like Elon Musk and all the other billionaires who do 75 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:34,000 wear suits. But because they have so much money, people 76 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,040 think they're arrogant or the agitators because they want to 77 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,360 look poor one day or not. But what I'm learning 78 00:04:41,399 --> 00:04:44,519 from Elon Musk, I read about him and his story 79 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,079 has impressed me so much. I was more impressed about 80 00:04:47,079 --> 00:04:49,759 the story where he told about when he'd lived on 81 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:52,319 one dollar a day. So what I've done is I've 82 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,800 cut my budget down. I'm losing town and I'm excited 83 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,399 that I don't have to eat as much as I 84 00:04:58,439 --> 00:05:00,920 thought i'd had to eat, so I like what I 85 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,000 learned from him. And then even with Jeff, they saw 86 00:05:04,319 --> 00:05:06,399 the other deal them and they talk about where they 87 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,839 come from. So I have a point. I think I 88 00:05:08,959 --> 00:05:11,399 did that on your show the last time. We look 89 00:05:11,439 --> 00:05:15,399 at them now, you both today, but look at them now. 90 00:05:15,519 --> 00:05:18,439 So what they're saying to us is we must, sometime 91 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,199 in life see something that we want to learn from. 92 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:22,959 Speaker 2: As far every. 93 00:05:22,759 --> 00:05:25,519 Speaker 4: Time I hear the radio, I love w BT because 94 00:05:25,519 --> 00:05:29,720 I'm a John Hancock's fan. What happened, I've been there 95 00:05:29,759 --> 00:05:33,160 listening a long time in wrestling boy all that I 96 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:34,959 was on his show. One time I was able to 97 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,319 be on rush. But what happened is people don't understand 98 00:05:38,759 --> 00:05:41,959 we all have a brain and a mind between our ears. 99 00:05:42,519 --> 00:05:45,439 Everybody doesn't do the same thing, just like me. I 100 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,639 hold one day I'll make some money from being a portant, 101 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,000 but I won't be Maya Angelo or some of the 102 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,800 other writers. I'm not trying to be them. I just 103 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,319 want to make a few dollars for People need to 104 00:05:55,319 --> 00:05:58,600 stop talking about Elon Musk's money because his mother tells 105 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,000 a story about his life and her life when she 106 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,399 could not afford to be meant for her three children. 107 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,279 She talks about when they came out of South Africa. 108 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,040 They came out with no money. So we need to 109 00:06:10,079 --> 00:06:12,560 stop talking about what this young man has done because 110 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,560 he is in his fifties and I'm seventy four. He's 111 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,519 in his sixties. He has learned a lot from all 112 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,759 his mistakes, and he has become rich. So therefore we 113 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,480 must learn how to be rich or stop talking. I 114 00:06:24,519 --> 00:06:27,199 have been going to do a post that says one 115 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,600 of my mottoes in my not the little big mouth, 116 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,800 I call mine big mouth too, but not the little 117 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,079 big mouth I called mine. I'm going to have a 118 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,480 news about it. And it tells you that he should 119 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,800 speak up or shut up. But at my church they 120 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,000 tell us, please learn what lane to be in before 121 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,879 you come out and talk. And like that man, he 122 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,160 should have looked at all those different medias and found 123 00:06:51,199 --> 00:06:53,639 out what people wear. A lot of rich people don't 124 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:56,439 look like we look eight. Well, we'd like to look rich. 125 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:58,759 We have to look rich. We like to take it 126 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,560 till we make it. 127 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: No, I get that is true, Gail, that is true. 128 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,639 I appreciate the call. The call, and it's a fair 129 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,959 observation and Look, everybody's abandoned the necktie too, right, everybody's 130 00:07:10,959 --> 00:07:13,160 wearing just the blazer, the open collared shirt. 131 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:13,399 Speaker 4: Right. 132 00:07:13,439 --> 00:07:16,279 Speaker 1: There is this casualness, the abandonment of the tie, that 133 00:07:16,399 --> 00:07:18,920 is part of the trend. And yeah, rich people have 134 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,240 been dressed like really really rich people have been dressing down. 135 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:23,839 Now if you look at the price tag on some 136 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:27,160 of those clothes, like it's a T shirt. Yeah, and 137 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,199 that T shirt's like three thousand dollars some ridiculous amount 138 00:07:30,199 --> 00:07:35,560 of money, you know. So what's the old Uh, what's 139 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,920 the old line from the philosopher Billy Joel You can't 140 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,680 dress trashy until you spend a lot of money. So 141 00:07:42,759 --> 00:07:45,040 that's part of it. Let me see here. I got 142 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:50,800 some messages. This is from Void, who says Zelensky won't 143 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,199 wear a suit because he's ashamed to shop in the 144 00:07:54,279 --> 00:08:04,879 boys department. Wow, that's just mean Void. Let me see here, 145 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:12,439 Jeff says, uh, Andy caller, Andy, your dumbassy and stupidness 146 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,040 is noted like you can have your you can have 147 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,560 a different opinion. I know Andy has called before. I've 148 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,399 talked with Andy before, so I think it was about 149 00:08:23,399 --> 00:08:25,920 Elon Musk. If memory serves correctly. So I know his 150 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,920 opinion about Musk. He doesn't like it. He doesn't like 151 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,560 Elon Musk. I don't know if he's a Tesla owner. 152 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:34,360 Maybe he's like got buyer's remorse or something. Um Russ says, Pete, 153 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,320 I would consider you to be an influencer. I mean 154 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:40,639 you've been back on WBT. You've influenced me to take 155 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,159 a strident stance on mayonnaise and to work the word 156 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,799 votainer into daily conversation, which gets a little awkward when 157 00:08:47,799 --> 00:08:49,840 you just blurted out at the cashier just to make 158 00:08:49,879 --> 00:08:52,639 sure you have used it that day. Well, you never 159 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,559 know when the conversation will require the use of the 160 00:08:55,559 --> 00:09:03,600 word votainer. So Russ I appreciate that. And Minsky says, 161 00:09:04,279 --> 00:09:06,960 I agree with the Vice President and the president that 162 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:10,600 there's not enough respect for those sorry for what this 163 00:09:10,799 --> 00:09:14,759 country does, and there's a palpable, spoiled sense of entitlement 164 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,799 that must be dialed back before we're asked for more assistance. 165 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:24,639 And I appreciate the transparency. Yeah, I don't know, like 166 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:30,480 that seemed. Yeah, I would not have said that. I 167 00:09:30,519 --> 00:09:32,559 would not have said, you know, you should be thanking 168 00:09:32,639 --> 00:09:35,519 us or show something, you know, gratitude, I don't. That 169 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,320 would not have been me. But I'm not president, I'm 170 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,039 not vice president, so I would not have said that. 171 00:09:43,639 --> 00:09:48,759 But I understand that Vance was channeling an opinion that 172 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:53,879 is held by a great number of people. And Ukraine 173 00:09:54,039 --> 00:09:57,759 is not in NATO. They are not in NATO, so 174 00:09:57,799 --> 00:10:02,559 we don't owe them mutual defense, and we can say 175 00:10:02,639 --> 00:10:05,279 it's a cause worth fighting all of that. But there's 176 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,279 a lot of history with Ukraine, and there's a lot 177 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:11,000 of history with Ukraine in relation to Donald Trump. Right, 178 00:10:11,159 --> 00:10:14,919 Donald Trump's first impeachment came after that phone call with Zelenski. 179 00:10:15,159 --> 00:10:20,120 The accusations of rampant corruption and bribery going on in 180 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:23,759 Ukraine that has enriched a lot of Democrats and a 181 00:10:23,799 --> 00:10:27,360 lot of quote unquote deep state actors as a long 182 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,279 history too. So yeah, it is, it is what it 183 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,519 is to quote John Fox, all right, if you're listening 184 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:35,080 to this show, you know I try to keep up 185 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,919 with all sorts of current events, and I know you 186 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,399 do too, And you've probably heard me say get your 187 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,320 news from multiple sources. 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Was that considered a press conference 209 00:11:56,879 --> 00:11:59,360 or was that like a WWE bro cast. 210 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe a little bit of both. 211 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,919 Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you, after the last four years we had, 212 00:12:09,159 --> 00:12:12,440 I have not laughed at a press conference or in 213 00:12:12,519 --> 00:12:15,559 appearance by the President of the United States in a 214 00:12:15,639 --> 00:12:18,559 long time. And it was so refreshing. I mean, I 215 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:22,360 was rolling, man when Trump let into him and all that, 216 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,519 and that is classic Trump. I'm so glad to see 217 00:12:27,759 --> 00:12:30,480 somebody keeping it real in the White House. I mean, 218 00:12:30,519 --> 00:12:32,440 he don't pull no punches and he don't make no 219 00:12:32,519 --> 00:12:36,519 bones about it. And his CAG team partner jd Vance 220 00:12:36,639 --> 00:12:39,039 is right there with and man, I really am enjoying 221 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,559 the times I suffered through the last four years with 222 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,039 a lot of people. But now I'm having my sunny day. 223 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,799 Speaker 1: I do wonder. You know, there's well, a couple of 224 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,639 things come to mind with what you're saying. Like the 225 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:56,159 first is there is a management axiom, which is that 226 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,919 you praise in public and chastise or correct in private. Right, 227 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,000 you don't dress an employee down in front of all 228 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,360 of their fellow employees. But you know, when you have 229 00:13:06,399 --> 00:13:10,360 an employee, and I know Zelenski's not an employee, but 230 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,480 when you've got somebody that's going to like if you're 231 00:13:13,519 --> 00:13:15,639 at like some public you're at a you know, a 232 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,480 company wide meeting, and you get an employee that starts 233 00:13:19,639 --> 00:13:26,000 challenging you and making disparaging comments or whatever, like, then like, yeah, 234 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,159 then the boss is going to assert himself. Because that's 235 00:13:30,279 --> 00:13:32,519 especially a guy like Trump because and it's not an 236 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,679 employee or employee relationship. But if you're like you're trying 237 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:40,399 to get into a whizzing match with Donald Trump first off. Secondly, 238 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,960 with the President of the United States in the Oval 239 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,799 Office in front of the American press, how did you 240 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,240 think that this was going to go? 241 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 5: Exactly? And I can't recall even when back years ago 242 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,000 when Trump was on OPRAH and Trump was doing his 243 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,320 TV shows, reality shows and all that, nobody ever want 244 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,840 a whizzing match with Donald Trump that I can remember. 245 00:14:04,159 --> 00:14:06,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was before he had Secret Service armed 246 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,919 Secret Service agents all around him. 247 00:14:08,799 --> 00:14:12,399 Speaker 5: You know, exactly, Yeah, exactly, Tim, have a good weekend, 248 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:13,639 Thank you, Pete. 249 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: All right, buddy, take it easy. This is another thing. 250 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,799 The second point that I thought of while listening to 251 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,559 Tim is that this is unlike what we just saw 252 00:14:24,559 --> 00:14:27,639 in the Oval Offices, unlike anything that we have ever seen, right, 253 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,759 because there has always been this sort of status quo 254 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:40,720 this understanding that you don't do that. Why why do 255 00:14:40,799 --> 00:14:42,799 we not do that? Why do we not bathe like? 256 00:14:42,879 --> 00:14:48,279 Why like, why does the the parliament over in England 257 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:51,320 yell at each other all the time? 258 00:14:51,399 --> 00:14:51,519 Speaker 5: Right? 259 00:14:51,519 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: Why don't they bring the prime minister in there and 260 00:14:53,279 --> 00:14:55,559 they start yelling and screaming and stuff like that. Why 261 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,919 does the I know it's been a while since this happened, 262 00:14:57,919 --> 00:15:00,440 but it was it was it Taiwan or Hong Kong. 263 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,399 I forget like they would get in their parliaments, they 264 00:15:02,399 --> 00:15:04,639 would get into fist fights and stuff, right, but we 265 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,559 never saw that here, right, So why so why do 266 00:15:08,639 --> 00:15:10,679 we assume that the way we do it is the 267 00:15:10,679 --> 00:15:14,679 better way? And when it comes to this kind of diplomacy, 268 00:15:14,759 --> 00:15:18,360 when you come to our country, you sit in our 269 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,320 seat of power, and you're talking to the people that 270 00:15:23,759 --> 00:15:27,840 you're trying to do a deal with, and you then 271 00:15:27,919 --> 00:15:34,480 start trying to play a leverage game, and you just 272 00:15:34,559 --> 00:15:41,159 got through campaigning for their opponent, and you expected what 273 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,440 some norms to hold, right, You expected there to be 274 00:15:45,559 --> 00:15:51,120 that status quo norm that they wouldn't yell at me, like, 275 00:15:51,279 --> 00:15:53,879 they wouldn't say these types of things, they wouldn't challenge 276 00:15:53,919 --> 00:15:56,360 they you know, they'll just be like all diplomatic, right, 277 00:15:56,399 --> 00:16:00,720 they'll they'll play nice in front of the cameras, because 278 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:04,559 that's the way it's always been done. But first off, 279 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,200 Donald Trump doesn't really adhere to a lot of those norms, right, 280 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:08,960 And that's been his criticism, but it's also been a 281 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,240 selling feature for people who love him. So, but you 282 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,320 got to know that the norms he doesn't feel bound by. 283 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:19,639 So I don't understand why you go in there, if 284 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:22,960 you're a Zelenski, why you go in there and you 285 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,559 and you take this kind of an aggressive, combative stance, unless, 286 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,360 of course you didn't want the deal, right or as 287 00:16:31,399 --> 00:16:34,759 I threw out, their last hour, it's possible that. And 288 00:16:34,759 --> 00:16:36,799 I don't think this was coordinate. I don't think it's scripted. 289 00:16:36,879 --> 00:16:38,519 Let me say it that way. I don't believe it 290 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,320 that this was scripted. This was you know, designed to 291 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,559 make Trump look like a better mediator in the eyes 292 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:52,480 of Putin, right, I don't believe that this was intentionally done. Now, 293 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:54,320 it could have been like it could have been like 294 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,639 a reality show where you don't have a script that 295 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,080 you follow, but you have the out line, you have 296 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:05,480 a story arc, and then how you do that story 297 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:09,079 arc like in wrestling, right that there is a story 298 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,240 arc and how you get there is up to you. 299 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,400 But the story arc has to be abided. And if 300 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,079 the point here is to send a message to Putin 301 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,400 that we don't really care for this Zelensky guy, So 302 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:23,720 if you want us to negotiate an end to this war, 303 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:25,599 we're happy to do it because we don't really care 304 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:29,920 about this dude, then I think that message got through. Now, 305 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,680 if you are of the status quo opinion that we 306 00:17:32,799 --> 00:17:35,599 have to defend Ukraine in this war, and we have to, 307 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,319 and I don't even know what that means because any 308 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,559 realistic view of this. And again I'm not a Ukraine expert. 309 00:17:41,599 --> 00:17:44,720 I'm not a foreign policy expert. I spent all of 310 00:17:44,759 --> 00:17:47,559 my time researching the deep water submersibles a couple of 311 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,519 years ago, and that's and I've not done the Ukraine research. Okay, 312 00:17:51,559 --> 00:17:54,880 but it doesn't seem like the Russians are going to 313 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,319 give back the land they grabbed, and it doesn't seem 314 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,839 like Ukraine is strong enough to take it back. So 315 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:03,759 I don't understand what is it that you're doing besides 316 00:18:04,079 --> 00:18:07,759 learning how to fight the next generation war? And maybe 317 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:10,440 that's what you're in it for at this point, and whatever. 318 00:18:10,519 --> 00:18:14,839 I don't know, but surely some deal is going to 319 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,160 have to be reached, a cease fire, a truce of 320 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:24,079 some kind. And unless you're saying that the world needs 321 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:28,759 to somehow forcibly remove Russia from the land that it took, 322 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,759 then I think you're advocating for an escalation to a 323 00:18:35,799 --> 00:18:40,039 global war. No, do you think Russia allows that? Do 324 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:42,720 you think Russia is gonna They're like, honestly, do you 325 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,480 think Vladimir Putin is like, Okay, you know what, Now 326 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:48,559 everybody's against me, and they're all committing troops and there 327 00:18:48,559 --> 00:18:51,680 are amassing millions of troops on the border, and you know, 328 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,400 rather than just drop a bunch of nukes on everybody, 329 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,279 I'll just retreat. Right If he is truly trying to 330 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:03,759 retain or re or win back the glory of the 331 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:09,680 old Soviet Union, why would he retreat? I don't understand 332 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,599 the calculations being made. You know, stories are powerful. They 333 00:19:13,599 --> 00:19:17,240 help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories 334 00:19:17,279 --> 00:19:20,559 connect us to the people of our past while transcending generations. 335 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:23,039 They help us process the meaning of life, and our 336 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,279 stories are told through images and videos. Preserve your stories 337 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:30,519 with Creative Video, started in nineteen ninety seven and Minhill, 338 00:19:30,599 --> 00:19:33,279 North Carolina. 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They are your life 348 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,599 told through the eyes of everyone around you and all 349 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,799 who came before you, and they will tell others to 350 00:20:10,839 --> 00:20:15,759 come who you are visit creative video dot com. We'll 351 00:20:15,759 --> 00:20:18,519 go to the phones again. Here's Brian. Hello, Brian, Welcome 352 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:18,960 to the show. 353 00:20:20,039 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on? 354 00:20:20,839 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 6: Pe? 355 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:21,319 Speaker 5: Hey? 356 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: How are you? Brian? 357 00:20:22,839 --> 00:20:25,759 Speaker 2: Yeah? What do you think about that conference there? That meeting? 358 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:28,799 Speaker 1: Oh I've been talking about it for like the last 359 00:20:28,839 --> 00:20:29,519 hour and a half. 360 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, I've been working so I just got home. 361 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: I'm working. Hey, I'm working here. I had to sit 362 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,640 through that Oval office thing. You listened to the whole thing? 363 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,359 Did you get so did you get a chance to 364 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,559 listen to it or watch it if you were working? 365 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,039 Speaker 2: Well, well, I possed it out on YouTube when I 366 00:20:45,079 --> 00:20:46,680 came home. I just passed it out a little bit. 367 00:20:46,799 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: So have you seen the whole thing? So have you 368 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,160 had a chance to see the whole thing? 369 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,839 Speaker 2: Well, no, it's passed out a little bit. I think 370 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:54,799 I've seen the most. 371 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 6: Interesting parts of about it though, like towards the end, 372 00:20:58,039 --> 00:21:00,519 the tantrums that was being thrown in the Oval office there. 373 00:21:00,839 --> 00:21:03,759 Speaker 2: Uh. But but I wanted to get to view man. 374 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:06,359 I mean, you know, you voted but Trump. I think 375 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:07,599 that you think that worked out? 376 00:21:08,279 --> 00:21:11,039 Speaker 1: How do I think it worked out? Not well? For Ukraine? 377 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:13,279 Speaker 2: That look good. 378 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,759 Speaker 1: I don't know if it makes America look good. I 379 00:21:15,799 --> 00:21:17,799 think that there are a lot of people that voted 380 00:21:17,839 --> 00:21:21,039 for Trump and the Ukraine issue was not the issue. 381 00:21:21,279 --> 00:21:25,759 Uh that animated any of my voting, whatsoever my vote 382 00:21:25,759 --> 00:21:27,920 was animated. I talked about it. I wrote an op 383 00:21:28,079 --> 00:21:30,519 ed that appeared at the Blaze, Like I explained why 384 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,759 I voted for Trump this time versus the previous two, 385 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,079 and it was to to punish the media for its 386 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,640 behavior in covering up the Joe Biden scandal. So that's 387 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:42,200 why I voted. 388 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,799 Speaker 2: Vot you vot. You voted for Trump so he can 389 00:21:44,839 --> 00:21:45,440 do what again? 390 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: I voted No. I voted for Trump as a screw 391 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,799 you to the media that gas lit me and all 392 00:21:53,799 --> 00:21:57,400 of America about Joe Biden's cognitive de client. That was 393 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:58,079 why I voted. 394 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 2: You you vote, you voted for him, for Spike, for 395 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,039 spikes and correct better of our country. 396 00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well there was. Well, my options were very limited, Brian, 397 00:22:05,519 --> 00:22:08,039 and I've never voted for a major party candidate ever 398 00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:10,839 in my life because I've never been very happy with 399 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,200 any of the candidates either of the parties have given me. 400 00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:16,640 So yeah, my my protest vote at the presidential level 401 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,839 went this time as a protest vote against the media. 402 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 2: Well okay, well I'll tell you what, man, You certainly 403 00:22:24,039 --> 00:22:27,160 you chose one that was a if you if you 404 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,400 looked at that, if you looked at that comp I've 405 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,480 never seen anything, I mean, nobody's ever seen anything like that. 406 00:22:32,599 --> 00:22:35,640 No Americans for an American president, I've. 407 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: Never seen it. But here. Hey, Brian, but hang on, 408 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,839 let me ask you this, because I agree, I've never 409 00:22:38,839 --> 00:22:40,759 seen it, and that's what I said, literally as the 410 00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:45,359 thing was unfolding. So I'm curious. So do you think, Hey, Brian, 411 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,279 do you think that? Do you think that that kind 412 00:22:47,319 --> 00:22:51,559 of stuff has ever happened before without us seeing it? 413 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,799 Speaker 2: How long did it have the media? Big covenant? 414 00:22:55,319 --> 00:22:57,599 Speaker 1: Simple question. It's a simple question. Do you think? 415 00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:58,799 Speaker 2: I ask you? 416 00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 3: How do you think? 417 00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:03,319 Speaker 1: Brian? Look, do you think that there's ever been a. 418 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,519 Speaker 2: Meeting any other president has been that disrespectful to another 419 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,240 fine president? No? I don't. I don't think. 420 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 6: Really, not in a manner, not in the childish manner 421 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,759 that Vance and then and then look, Vance is being 422 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,799 trained by Trump. So you tell me, oh my god, man, 423 00:23:17,799 --> 00:23:19,599 this country is in trouble. You can't see that. 424 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: Oh I believe that country is in trouble, but for 425 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,519 but for different reasons, Brian. I I believe the country 426 00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:27,319 is in trouble, but for different reasons. 427 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 428 00:23:28,519 --> 00:23:31,559 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, look, Brian, See here's that, Brian. Here's the difference. 429 00:23:31,599 --> 00:23:34,519 Here's here's a big difference. Okay. I don't filter all 430 00:23:34,559 --> 00:23:37,759 of my thoughts through the prism of Donald Trump. 431 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,039 Speaker 2: I don't you said I could filter your thoughts through 432 00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:41,680 Donald Trump. 433 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:46,319 Speaker 1: I do not filter my thoughts through Donald Trump. Right. 434 00:23:46,519 --> 00:23:48,920 You see the world and you see our issues through 435 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,079 the prism. I'm telling you, Brian, if you, Brian, if 436 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,480 you stop talking for a second, you're you're gonna hear 437 00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:57,759 as I'm literally saying what I mean say. You can't 438 00:23:57,759 --> 00:23:59,480 do it, not even it didn't even make it a second. 439 00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:02,480 You didn't even make it a second. Let's try it again. 440 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,559 You when when you filter all of your ideas and 441 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:11,200 your thoughts and opinions through the prism, uh, through the 442 00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:16,319 prism of Donald Trump, right, it warps, it warps your vision. 443 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,559 Speaker 2: But that's not what I'm doing it. 444 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,079 Speaker 1: Oh, you absolutely do. We've talked enough for Brian. We've 445 00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:23,720 talked enough over the years. I know that absolutely. So 446 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,400 you see, Brian, you see the problems you Brian. I 447 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,839 didn't say I know you. I said I've talked to 448 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,240 you enough over the last few years that I know 449 00:24:31,319 --> 00:24:33,680 that this is how you view things, because every time 450 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,119 we talk, you just did it. You just you can see. 451 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,640 You can deny it all you want, but the act 452 00:24:39,839 --> 00:24:41,440 or the proof is in your words. 453 00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:45,279 Speaker 2: To say this man, that was such a disgusting, disgusting 454 00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:49,880 for America. I mean that makes us look bad? How? 455 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 3: How? 456 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 6: How? 457 00:24:51,519 --> 00:24:53,559 Speaker 1: How? How does it make America? How did it make 458 00:24:53,599 --> 00:24:54,559 America look bad? 459 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 2: I mean it's no, he had no skills? 460 00:24:58,279 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: Man, How did it make a America look bad? 461 00:25:01,319 --> 00:25:03,279 Speaker 4: And and and he's and how. 462 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: Did it make Brian? How? Brian? How did Brian? How 463 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:07,839 did it make? 464 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 3: No? 465 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: You made an assertion, I'm and say it. 466 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 2: But doesn't got in Ukraine an ally of America. No, well, 467 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,400 while we send in almost a three hundred and ninety 468 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,759 billion dollars of helpful My. 469 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: God, Brian, you sound like a Trump supporter. Now you're maga. 470 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,440 That's what the Mega people are asking too. They're like, 471 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,559 why are we sending all this money over to Ukraine? 472 00:25:27,599 --> 00:25:28,480 That's what they're asking. 473 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,279 Speaker 2: Listen, trust said Trump said he sent him? 474 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: What did he send him javelins? 475 00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: Javelins to take out to tell you? 476 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:35,279 Speaker 4: So? 477 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 2: Why are we sending that they're not allied? 478 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:37,759 Speaker 4: Right? 479 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: Because they were invaded by Russia? 480 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,799 Speaker 2: Russia's invaded a lot of countries, but we hadn't sent 481 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,079 in military equipment over there for right, because they're not 482 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:48,759 all right? 483 00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: You sound like Maga. 484 00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:54,519 Speaker 2: Listen, man, if they're not allied, why are we even 485 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,519 worried about him? 486 00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: Again, that's maga's position. What do you mean, is mag 487 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,160 that is the make America great position? 488 00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:06,599 Speaker 2: That is not controlling the government? 489 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: Right, MAGA is not It absolutely is. 490 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: Oh I thought he was the Republican Party that was 491 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:13,720 controlling the No. 492 00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: That's Donald Trump. And Donald Trump has taken over the 493 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,680 Republican Party. MAGA has taken over the Republican Party. That 494 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,799 happened a couple of years ago. Yeah, that happened a 495 00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:22,599 couple of years ago. I'm not sure if you were aware. 496 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,200 There was a big fight inside the Republican Party and 497 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,759 Trump won again and again and again, and so now 498 00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:28,720 it's his party. 499 00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 2: So now it's MAGA. Okay, now I know? 500 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, so and you and when you are, Brian, and see, 501 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,960 here's the thing. The very question that you have asked about, 502 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,200 why are we doing all of this for Ukraine? That's 503 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,039 what MAGA has been asking. That's what Trump supporters have 504 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,680 been asking. And that's what a lot of people that Trump. 505 00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:46,839 Speaker 2: If he's doing this, then what. 506 00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: What do you think he's doing? 507 00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 2: He was sending over javelins. 508 00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: That was his first in his first term, he said 509 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,160 he sent the javelins when the Russians first invaded. 510 00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 2: Why did he do that? 511 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: Right, well, that's a good question. Why did he do that? 512 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,759 Speaker 2: I mean, you know them to have all the answers. 513 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: I don't have all the I've never said I have 514 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,160 all the answers. 515 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm in this call. 516 00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: But it was, oh, thank god, Yeah, you haven't made 517 00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:11,279 any sense at all. But I'm glad to hear that 518 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,000 you are on the same page as mag And if 519 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,599 you would stop talking for a second, you would have 520 00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:16,720 heard me trying to tell you that. That's actually one 521 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,880 of the reasons why a lot of people who were 522 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:24,400 not Trump supporters were attracted to his message, because when 523 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,880 people start asking questions like Brian just stumbled into right there, 524 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,759 and they don't have an adequate or sufficient answer. Right 525 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:38,960 when they're not getting this answer from the quote unquote experts, 526 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,839 you know, from the foreign policy experts, and we're you know, 527 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,319 we know what's best and we're the ones who are 528 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,519 going to be able to navigate all these foreign policy 529 00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:50,039 decisions and stuff, and stuff just gets worse and worse, 530 00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:53,880 and questions actions get taken that don't make any sense, 531 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,000 because that's why that's what was advising Trump in Trump's 532 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,319 first term too, he had those same quote experts. This 533 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,920 time around is different. He's got a bunch of different 534 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:08,160 people in the stable advising him. Now there's a different 535 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,319 kind of team in place. But when non Trump voters 536 00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:15,920 started paying attention or asking questions and they weren't getting 537 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,240 adequate answers, that's why they went and voted for Trump, 538 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,880 and it's why Trump ended up with a much larger 539 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,759 vote total and more people voting for him, and he 540 00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:28,480 he swung all of these different demographics. See, if you're 541 00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:32,640 actually interested in getting answers to the question that you 542 00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:36,599 just asked, Brian, you might, I don't know, break free 543 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:42,599 of the Orange Man bad prism through which you view politics. 544 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,599 Here's a great idea. 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It's like, well, it's 571 00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:18,039 like in an ho way when people are like, oh, 572 00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:20,519 I don't like that color house, and other people are like, 573 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:23,119 I do like that color house. And that's fine difference 574 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:30,200 of opinion, right, it doesn't mean that your preference is correct, because, honestly, 575 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,640 I don't know how other countries are going to look 576 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,839 at what Trump did. I think some people, some other 577 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,200 leaders might think, man, I wouldn't want to be Zelensky 578 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,160 in that situation, and that might actually redound to our benefit. 579 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:45,519 I don't know. But speculating as to what might happen 580 00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:49,319 because of this, it's like predicting who's going to win 581 00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:53,160 the football game. You don't know. Stop acting like you know. 582 00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:56,640 I've been very clear, I don't know. Let me go 583 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,119 over to Mike. Hello, Mike, welcome to the show. 584 00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 3: Good afternoon. And I for one think a lot of 585 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,160 our allies are quite exasperated with mister Zolinsky because what 586 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,640 mister Zlinsky wants is unrealistic. He's no longer dealing in reality. 587 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,559 What misters Olynky wants is a tens of thousand strong 588 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,119 international peacekeeping force. If he can't get NATO. 589 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,759 Speaker 7: He wants to pay the United States back absolutely nothing, 590 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,240 and he wants to the territory that Russia has taken. 591 00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:29,960 And that's just not a realistic outcome. And I for one, am. 592 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,279 Speaker 8: Proud that mister Trump pointed that out to him publicly. 593 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:36,240 It's unfortunate Republic. I think a lot of allies who 594 00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:39,759 have pointed that out to him privately. But I mean, clearly, 595 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,480 missus Olinsky is intransigent and unrealistic, and there's no way 596 00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:46,720 this war is gonna end, and it's just gonna be 597 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,240 a continuous sink of American resources and Ukrainian lives. 598 00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 3: And that's what missus Olinsky seems to want. 599 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: Well, And if right, if Trump is a deal maker 600 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,920 and he wants to end the war, right, I mean, 601 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,079 think about it, that's the deal he wants to cut. 602 00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:06,319 He wants he wants the war to end and hopefully 603 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:09,759 get America repaid. So if he can do those things, 604 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,480 he's going to be satisfied. And it doesn't really matter 605 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,640 to him what the terms of the deal are as 606 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,599 long as there's a deal. But if Vilensky doesn't want 607 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,680 a deal, then there's no point in trying to make 608 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:20,039 a deal. 609 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 3: Well, this stage of the negotiations is called the walkout, 610 00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:26,480 right like in a real estate deal, and you walk 611 00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:29,880 away from the house. And then hopefully, and we can 612 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,960 hope this, We hope that missus Olynsky will have his 613 00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:37,440 opportunity on Fox News tonight to extend an olive branch 614 00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:40,319 and you make the deal before he leaves the country. 615 00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:44,759 But anybody who doesn't see that what's gonna I would 616 00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:48,119 say that anybody who disagrees with this should volunteer for 617 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,119 the International Peacekeeping Force and take up arms and go 618 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,319 over to Ukraine, because that's what they're going to do 619 00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:58,240 with our boys. That's what mister Dolynsky wants, and anybody 620 00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:00,799 who agrees with him down the line, that is the 621 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,920 outcome you are going to end up with. Mister Biden 622 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,000 didn't want that either. I just didn't have a gun 623 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:07,839 to call him on it. 624 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike, I appreciate the call, buddy. Have a good weekend. 625 00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:11,839 Speaker 3: You do, all right? 626 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,799 Speaker 1: See, let me jump over and get Alex. Hello, Alex, 627 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:16,559 welcome to the show. 628 00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 9: How are you doing. 629 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm all right, what's up? 630 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,519 Speaker 9: Yeah? I just want to say I think Zelanski is 631 00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:24,359 an ungrateful parasite. I mean, this country has given him 632 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,039 over three hundred and fifty billion dollars already. He got 633 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,880 more and more and more. It's like, gimmy, gimme, gimme. 634 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,960 I mean, the American taxpayer shouldn't be the piggybank of 635 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:32,400 the world. 636 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,759 Speaker 1: You know, well yeah, and uh and I went over 637 00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:37,359 this the other day. It's you know, all of the 638 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,000 money didn't go to the Ukraine. It's important to point 639 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,119 this out because it wasn't just like here's a palette 640 00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:46,240 of cash, like there's some Iranian mulla's or something like 641 00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:48,160 Obama did. But it you know, a lot of the 642 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,519 money went to US defense contractors who built stuff and 643 00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:55,079 then you know, sent it over there at no cost 644 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,599 to the Ukrainian So it did. The money did help 645 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,759 our military industrial complex, no doubt about that. But the 646 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:03,799 point is still the same about the taxpayer funds that 647 00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:06,559 were used in support of that. And again, if you 648 00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:08,400 want to make it, if you're trying to build a 649 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,480 case for war and support of a war against a 650 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:14,639 nuclear power on the other side of the planet, I 651 00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:18,360 don't think Zelensky has done a good job of doing that. 652 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,519 I think he tried to by saying, oh, you know, 653 00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:23,960 you will feel insecure at some point if we lose 654 00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:26,079 or something. And it didn't go over very well. I 655 00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:28,599 just I think it's a it's a difficult it's a 656 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:33,639 difficult hand for him to play, Alex. I appreciate the call. Yeah, 657 00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:37,480 the American public is not all in on support for Ukraine, 658 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,519 and the longer it goes on, the less support the 659 00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:45,199 Ukrainians have. And if he doesn't want to make a deal, 660 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,119 then that's it. 661 00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 3: All right. 662 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 1: That'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much 663 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,400 for listening. I could not do the show without your 664 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,199 support and the support of the businesses that advertise on 665 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,000 the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too 666 00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:00,719 and tell them you heard it here. 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