Speaker 1: It is so goddamn hot here.
Speaker 2: We're in a bubble.
Speaker 3: Is that the start?
Speaker 1: That the start? I guess we could start. I don't
Speaker 1: want to start with the weather, that's the start. I don't
Speaker 1: want to start with me whining too late about the weather.
Speaker 1: Oh you're always whining, always whining. Not more interesting things
Speaker 1: than the weather, though. But here we are, it's across.
Speaker 1: There is a sultry day here.
Speaker 4: Same as the weather outside. About one hundred and ten,
Speaker 4: and we are back at it with another episode.
Speaker 1: That's Mike, Is this how I talk? Is that how
Speaker 1: I sound to other people?
Speaker 3: I thought it was actually you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Here here with Dan, Hello, hi, and I'm Mary here
Speaker 4: as always, with another episode of fire Escape cast, giving
Speaker 4: you all of your hot gaming takes, just like the weather.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 3: Do we do hot gaming? I don't think we do
Speaker 3: hot gaming takes?
Speaker 1: Do hot games?
Speaker 2: I think so?
Speaker 1: Do we?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: My my opinion's always straight down the middle. I never Yeah.
Speaker 3: We just look at the Metacritic and we decide how
Speaker 3: we feel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's exactly is good.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is well.
Speaker 1: That two is fine.
Speaker 3: I think it's good. Oh shit, I'm gonna get fired
Speaker 3: from fire Escape.
Speaker 1: Damn. Outside the norm we don't do. Yeah, devices, I
Speaker 1: knew a.
Speaker 3: Guy back in the day. I won't name anyone, Mike,
Speaker 3: you'll probably know who would be like reviewing a game,
Speaker 3: and during the review period he'd be like, Oh, this
Speaker 3: sucks so bad. This game sucks so bad. You can
Speaker 3: come check this out. Come look how bad this game is.
Speaker 3: Come look how bad this game is. And then he
Speaker 3: would hear from other like reviewers and stuff that everyone
Speaker 3: was like liking it, and the scorer would go for
Speaker 3: like the draft would go from like a six out
Speaker 3: of ten to like nine point five out of ten.
Speaker 3: It turns out everyone likes it. I don't want to,
Speaker 3: you know, make any waves here.
Speaker 1: I honestly, there's like two people I could think of.
Speaker 3: You're right about one of them.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, Ah, god, the uh the Middle East? Right now? No,
Speaker 1: I'm just joking where you're talking about device and takes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got a lot of days before this goes up.
Speaker 3: Who knows what the situation is then, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's I at a certain point I realized
Speaker 1: and this is not I'm not trying to like blow
Speaker 1: smoke up my own ass, because I also I would
Speaker 1: initially when I was first reviewing games. I would have,
Speaker 1: you know, thoughts on the game as I'm playing it,
Speaker 1: and then talk to other people. And when those situations
Speaker 1: where I'm like, what the fuck are we playing the
Speaker 1: same game? Yeah, I would definitely feel like, am I dumb?
Speaker 1: Do I have bad taste in games? I'm new to
Speaker 1: all this, But like later on, like especially in my
Speaker 1: Polygon tenure, when I really didn't give a fuck with
Speaker 1: other well, I gave a fuck what other reviewers thought,
Speaker 1: but not in so far as it influenced my opinion.
Speaker 1: I'd barely talk to people until reviews went up.
Speaker 3: There are times, there are special games where in the
Speaker 3: pre release period, you know, people I haven't talked to
Speaker 3: in a while will reach out and text me the
Speaker 3: holy shit are you playing? This is one of the
Speaker 3: best games ever. It happened with Brett the Wild, happened
Speaker 3: with elden Ring, and it happened with blue Print, and
Speaker 3: most recently of just people being like, you're playing is right?
Speaker 3: We have to talk about it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I remember. There was a point and I
Speaker 1: won't even name the It might have been game Spot,
Speaker 1: it might have been Polygon, but there was a game
Speaker 1: that highly anticipated first party and during the review period,
Speaker 1: like several higher ranking members of the staff were like,
Speaker 1: we need to have stories ready to go, Like how
Speaker 1: did this even make it to market in this state?
Speaker 1: Like who made? Who made these design decisions? And reviews
Speaker 1: start hitting and everybody's loving it, and like these people
Speaker 1: like just stopped, like just at like once the reviews
Speaker 1: were up, they they just stopped bringing those ideas to
Speaker 1: the table, Like I think they realized they might have
Speaker 1: been like going too hard into the negative direction.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, which funny to me, as long as you
Speaker 3: can back it up, Like I don't know, I think
Speaker 3: about like I got some crap for my Mario Party
Speaker 3: Jamboree review was like definitely on the very very low
Speaker 3: end of what people were saying. And I look back
Speaker 3: in my review that was for a game Spot. I
Speaker 3: look at that now, I know the series, I know
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about, and my points are all very
Speaker 3: salient and this is a yeah, I have no problem
Speaker 3: with that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I remember the funny one. For me. The
Speaker 1: first time I really got heat for a review, I
Speaker 1: did Gears Ultimate Edition for Xbox One or Series X
Speaker 1: Xbox one, the remaster of the original Gears game, and
Speaker 1: Jeff Gersmen back in the day when the game first
Speaker 1: came out for game Spot had given it a nine
Speaker 1: out of ten. I gave the remaster it might have
Speaker 1: been a six, it might have been a seven out
Speaker 1: of ten. And people were like, so the remaster of
Speaker 1: a game gets how did it get like drop three
Speaker 1: points since it originally released, like from the same outlet,
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 3: The dumbest sh first like six reasons that's a dumb idea.
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, we're different people, A and B. Games,
Speaker 1: like more than any other medium, tend to age poorly,
Speaker 1: and we're how many years after was this like eleven
Speaker 1: years after the game came out? And then the funniest
Speaker 1: part was when Gersman himself for Giant Bomb put up
Speaker 1: a review and it was also like six or seven
Speaker 1: out of ten.
Speaker 3: It was like a two out of five or something
Speaker 3: like a person.
Speaker 1: Who loved it back then. I also loved it back then.
Speaker 1: I still liked the game quite a bit.
Speaker 4: Well so loud because he's Jeff Gersmith, that's right.
Speaker 3: This is why Mike got fired from GameSpot.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I gave the remaster way too low a score,
Speaker 1: and yeah.
Speaker 4: I find it interesting as someone who didn't review. I
Speaker 4: reviewed a couple games during my time, but that's not
Speaker 4: what I That wasn't my job. My job was to
Speaker 4: edit your guys's words into a video review.
Speaker 2: That was my job, right, And so a lot of
Speaker 2: times I.
Speaker 4: Would be looking up visuals that helped support your claims
Speaker 4: right that something was working or something was missing the mark.
Speaker 4: And it was always really interesting to me when I
Speaker 4: was like searching through the footage to make sure that
Speaker 4: I could support your points, because when you're especially if
Speaker 4: you're saying something negative, if the video doesn't back up
Speaker 4: what you're saying properly, it can come back to haunt you,
Speaker 4: or the comments will be like that's not even like
Speaker 4: a good uh, that's not like a really good example
Speaker 4: of it, Like I don't agree with them. And so
Speaker 4: there was a lot of pressure on video editors as
Speaker 4: well to make sure that you felt like you were
Speaker 4: getting the proper review footage that you needed to back
Speaker 4: up your points saliently and make you feel really good.
Speaker 4: I think I did a Final Fantasy, a very unpopular
Speaker 4: Final Fantasy game. It was the one that like you
Speaker 4: had to do it in like a certain amount of
Speaker 4: time to beat it. A lot of people didn't like,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter which one it was, I'm gonna say twelve. Anyway,
Speaker 4: it wasn't very popular, and I was like scouring through
Speaker 4: this footage to make sure that every time Chris Waters
Speaker 4: said this game just kept going like it just wouldn't stop,
Speaker 4: that I had these like long stretches of dialogue to
Speaker 4: make it seem basically like as boring as he felt
Speaker 4: when he played it. And that was a joy to
Speaker 4: me to make sure, but a lot of pressure to
Speaker 4: make sure that you guys always felt like you were
Speaker 4: getting the review quality you wanted in your videos.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's something that really helped with like the era
Speaker 3: of consoles having the share button and things like that,
Speaker 3: because then it's like something fucked up canna happen, like
Speaker 3: a bug or something, and you can be like, okay,
Speaker 3: let me capture the last three minutes of that, and
Speaker 3: then you know, you can use that whether it's a
Speaker 3: social post or in part of a video review or
Speaker 3: something like see this is the shit I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there's also to the counterpoint when you
Speaker 1: people I think are savvy enough now and it's like
Speaker 1: video reviews are so ubiquitous that people can see bullshit
Speaker 1: on YouTube, Like when someone's not doing what Mary is
Speaker 1: and doing their due diligence, it's easy to see when
Speaker 1: they might have I don't want to say they fabricated
Speaker 1: and the footage like edit it. I just say, like
Speaker 1: sort of acted in the game in a way to
Speaker 1: support the script, almost having edited not as many as Mary,
Speaker 1: but my own fair share of video reviews, and like
Speaker 1: it feels a bit like they're kind of using the
Speaker 1: gameplay to support the script in a way that I
Speaker 1: don't actually think is indicative of the game. If it
Speaker 1: comes to mind, I just know I see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I liked our process. It could definitely get At first,
Speaker 1: it was a bit of a strain on reviewers because
Speaker 1: we were already you know, like just trying to get
Speaker 1: through a game and have our thoughts down for that
Speaker 1: editorial piece. But then I think GameSpot there were some
Speaker 1: growing pains and getting everybody on board with capturing and
Speaker 1: like not just learning the tools, which I think are
Speaker 1: incredibly necessary, but just having those extra muscle memory down
Speaker 1: path while you're reviewing a game, which again I think
Speaker 1: was very useful in the long run. But I remember
Speaker 1: at the at first it was like this is all.
Speaker 1: This is all inside baseball. I don't know how much people care.
Speaker 1: I just remember, like you know, going on.
Speaker 2: I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 4: I think it's fascinating because people so quickly say like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: you guys like worked there, you must have reviewed games.
Speaker 4: But they had a long drawn out process because we
Speaker 4: had a lot of integrity as our sites like you can't.
Speaker 4: We had a lot of systems, We had a lot
Speaker 4: of checkups and follow throughs. I mean, it's amazing how
Speaker 4: many review like edits a review, a game review went
Speaker 4: through before it actually was shipped. And the same thing
Speaker 4: with the video review. It took a long time to
Speaker 4: get those things out.
Speaker 3: You know who's great at the video review stuff is
Speaker 3: or video like like text to video stuff is one
Speaker 3: judge Jake Decker, because you know, there were a few
Speaker 3: times I got to work with him on that type
Speaker 3: stuff when I would write something for game Spot and
Speaker 3: I like went to that Metal Gear Solid three trip
Speaker 3: and I told Jake, I was like, hey, I know
Speaker 3: you guys want to get a video out of this,
Speaker 3: but like here's like they didn't give a lot of
Speaker 3: b roll. Here is like you're a trailer and here
Speaker 3: is like eight screenshots and my thing, if I read
Speaker 3: it out is going to be like nine minutes long.
Speaker 3: He's like, nah, I got it, and you taught YouTube.
Speaker 3: Now if you look up like the meddal gear solid
Speaker 3: three delta thing that I narrate, like, Jake cut that
Speaker 3: all together and he made it work with like nothing
Speaker 3: to work with. So it's definitely a skill that a
Speaker 3: few people are very good at.
Speaker 4: He's okay, fine, Jake's very good. I think there's there
Speaker 4: is an art to making sure you feel supported. The
Speaker 4: very few games that I reviewed, I reviewed Stardu Valley.
Speaker 4: I think I cut my own video and I was
Speaker 4: like really excited about that, and it was really fun
Speaker 4: to have like full control outside of like how much
Speaker 4: of my words were obviously.
Speaker 2: Edited by our editor.
Speaker 4: In chief at the time, Peter Brown, or at least
Speaker 4: Reviews editor, who like was meticulous with the way you
Speaker 4: could say something, and I'm a dingus. Like the way
Speaker 4: I would say something was often like, man, it's really
Speaker 4: cool that you could just walk around town and like
Speaker 4: talk to anyone you know, including like the guy who
Speaker 4: works at the bar, the person who's like a homeless
Speaker 4: like down the street, and he like everything out.
Speaker 1: Try try. Social fabric is fragile in Starger Valley.
Speaker 2: And you are just so thoughtful.
Speaker 1: And you must be the spider swallowing up the trapped flies.
Speaker 3: It's about the American dream writ large.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I don't know why I'm making
Speaker 1: like Pete never did stuff like that.
Speaker 2: No, he Pete was awesome.
Speaker 4: But I think you are right in this sense that
Speaker 4: like I would write a bunch of drivel and he
Speaker 4: would read, he would help me formulate it in a
Speaker 4: way that sounds made me sound really smart.
Speaker 2: So when you read that review.
Speaker 4: That's not If you compare my Stardoo Valley review to
Speaker 4: my top five or ten games that I'm allowed to
Speaker 4: write for Giant Bomb every year, there is a stark
Speaker 4: contrast with what I was allowed to say in my
Speaker 4: Stardo Valley review, which is heavily edited and curated and
Speaker 4: make sure that it fits the mark, whereas my top
Speaker 4: ten literally you guys didn't edit anything.
Speaker 2: There's typos in that shit.
Speaker 4: I'm just like, this game is so fucking rad with
Speaker 4: like multiple a's, and you allow me to have it in.
Speaker 2: My top ten Giant Bomb games of the year.
Speaker 3: It's that's going to change now that I own the company.
Speaker 2: It's not you let me be stupider, all of you worse.
Speaker 3: No, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Dan's gonna come down fucking iron fist on your typo
Speaker 1: ridden insanity.
Speaker 4: The social fabric of our society in twenty twenty five
Speaker 4: only allows us to say so many games that can
Speaker 4: really truly articulate what it is to be mad.
Speaker 1: Death Stranding two is an encapsulation of the post truth
Speaker 1: era in ways few games and few creators have ever
Speaker 1: been able to suggest. I am but I am but
Speaker 1: a passenger looking through the foggy window at the passing
Speaker 1: countryside with the Doppler effect of the screams of dead
Speaker 1: American ghosts.
Speaker 3: He's still got it.
Speaker 2: I know why it did not make my top five.
Speaker 1: That's why I hate this game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when I reviewed de Stranding the first one, I
Speaker 3: just said it sucks ship, but.
Speaker 1: I really did not like it.
Speaker 3: Or for the first one, I didn't review it. We
Speaker 3: were just doing uh. I just talked on a podcast
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we met fucking Kojima himself at a Death Stranding
Speaker 1: event and both of us just immediately launched into talking
Speaker 1: about how much we liked Snake Eater.
Speaker 2: What a nice way to avoid the day.
Speaker 3: But now I like it, so now I can suck
Speaker 3: up to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get we'll get to training to uh. Of
Speaker 1: course during the game section, we've been talking a lot
Speaker 1: about games. But Mary, I'm curious how uh you're gallivanting
Speaker 1: through France one, thanks for asking.
Speaker 4: This is my second time in France ever for work.
Speaker 4: This was now the first time I went was for
Speaker 4: Twitch con Paris. Obviously in Paris. This time I went
Speaker 4: to can which is south France. I've never been south
Speaker 4: of Is it called south of France.
Speaker 1: In the south of France?
Speaker 3: Yes, Paris, that's the one I know. Paris is north
Speaker 3: Ocean and.
Speaker 2: It's crazy because no, it's not.
Speaker 4: It's completely landlocked and like, uh not not France Paris.
Speaker 4: Uh no, I know what you mean, Paris in general.
Speaker 4: Thank you, because I don't know that much about Europe.
Speaker 4: I'm like still learning as I'm like figuring this out.
Speaker 1: All the older cities around rivers, not all of them,
Speaker 1: but there are many cities. Or Minneapolis is too, but.
Speaker 4: France isn't that big. It's like, you know, they're kind
Speaker 4: of like states, and.
Speaker 3: The state is France the most like well in size,
Speaker 3: just overall all categories.
Speaker 4: It takes about seven hours to get through it. So
Speaker 4: I like, I don't know, like all of New.
Speaker 3: York takes about Okay, So France is just like New York.
Speaker 2: You're saying, yeah, same okay, same people, same wine.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: Anyway, So I went to the French Riviera into can
Speaker 4: for a festival called can Leon and I.
Speaker 2: Worked at booth. So this is like such a surreal
Speaker 2: concept to me.
Speaker 4: But a lot of in France and there, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: felt like one Honestly, it was like ninety five degrees.
Speaker 2: I was wearing like.
Speaker 4: The smallest clothes I was allowed to professionally get away
Speaker 4: with because it's so fucking hot.
Speaker 2: It was like a real like heavy heat too.
Speaker 4: Just because you're like on the you know, ocean side. Anyway,
Speaker 4: it was just human and sticky. It was it was
Speaker 4: rough anyway. A lot of business people go to uh
Speaker 4: it's like mostly like ad stuff and you'd see like
Speaker 4: lots of other businesses.
Speaker 3: So a peloton was there, My peloton instructors were instagramming
Speaker 3: from pairs if it's a.
Speaker 4: Big business, right, like Meadow was there? Uh what Instagram
Speaker 4: was there? Well, I guess that's the same company.
Speaker 1: It sounds almost like a south By Southwest kind of thing,
Speaker 1: the way that's evolved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pinterest was there, and so Amazon was.
Speaker 4: There, and they have booths for all of Amazon's companies,
Speaker 4: which is a part of Amazon.
Speaker 2: So I actually worked the booth.
Speaker 4: My job, very booth babe ish honestly, was to explain
Speaker 4: what twitches to a lot of people who still don't
Speaker 4: know what twitches.
Speaker 2: And then we had them do.
Speaker 4: A personality quiz which we connected to a keychain that
Speaker 4: was of emotes, and then we would give them these
Speaker 4: key chains and it was extremely popular. We had like
Speaker 4: lines down around other not as good booths to get
Speaker 4: our cool keychains. But what I found interesting was so
Speaker 4: many people I would say, hey, do you know anything
Speaker 4: about Twitch and they would say to me, like verbatim, no,
Speaker 4: but my.
Speaker 2: Kids are on it.
Speaker 4: And I was like, okay, well let me explain to
Speaker 4: you what your kids are watching, and then I'm gonna
Speaker 4: give you a keychain that you will undoubtedly give your
Speaker 4: children like these.
Speaker 3: And they probably about it. Yeah, they were.
Speaker 4: They were doing the personality quiz specifically with their children
Speaker 4: in mind.
Speaker 2: They could get the keychain they thought their kids would want.
Speaker 4: So it was like all like swag for kids, which
Speaker 4: I found kind of fascinating. But it was like my
Speaker 4: understanding of this process was just like making good with
Speaker 4: people explaining WHI which wasn't and keeping it in their
Speaker 4: heads because there's a lot of ad deals going on.
Speaker 4: I guess at this place where people are buying ad
Speaker 4: space and and you know, making money.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of like was my role.
Speaker 4: But the airbnb I was at didn't have anything to
Speaker 4: have soap, it didn't have lotion, and so I went
Speaker 4: to store to buy all that stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't speak a.
Speaker 4: Lick of French nothing, so I just bought soap that
Speaker 4: looked like Dove soap, and I bought lotion that was
Speaker 4: like in a brown bottle, and it looked fine to me,
Speaker 4: and I was putting it on every day. And three
Speaker 4: days into the event, everyone was like, Mary, you look.
Speaker 2: So tan, and this French sun like.
Speaker 3: The sun.
Speaker 2: It must be the French sun.
Speaker 1: It's not a different planet in Star Wars.
Speaker 4: And then when I was like, I didn't understand it,
Speaker 4: but I looked amazing.
Speaker 2: I was so tan.
Speaker 4: And then I was like shaking people's hands and I
Speaker 4: realized the webbing of my fingers was like black, and
Speaker 4: I was like, that is so odd that my hands
Speaker 4: are like a different color, like they're almost like severely dark.
Speaker 4: I was like, maybe you're something wrong with my skin
Speaker 4: or I'm eating bad food or something. And so finally
Speaker 4: my roommate speaks French and I just show to the
Speaker 4: bottle and I said, lotion is this and she was like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is self tanner lotion. You've been self tanning every
Speaker 4: day in France for the past four days and that's
Speaker 4: why I looked so dark.
Speaker 3: How long does that take to like do you take
Speaker 3: a shower and that's gone or how long does that
Speaker 3: stick around?
Speaker 4: I thought that it would be gone in a shower,
Speaker 4: but I was very like, I mean I've been showering
Speaker 4: and look at the webs.
Speaker 3: Of mynn but yeah, that was way darker there.
Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, so dark you guys like that, that's what
Speaker 4: your whole body looked like.
Speaker 2: It was incredible.
Speaker 4: I was very dark in most of the photos that
Speaker 4: I took, and I was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 4: look so tann from but I was literally never in
Speaker 4: the sun never.
Speaker 2: So I'm an idiot and I bought self tanning lotion.
Speaker 1: It happens, I uh in France. Amanda was just finishing
Speaker 1: getting ready, so I popped down in saw Mir to
Speaker 1: a grocery store to get like sunscreen, et cetera. I
Speaker 1: know the general words for some, but I ended up
Speaker 1: getting like instead of sun block, I got like the
Speaker 1: sun accentuating like oil. Oh no, I mean well, I
Speaker 1: mean once I applied it, I knew exactly I got
Speaker 1: the wrong thing. I didn't do like several days of it,
Speaker 1: but like I knew right away the sun. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: have a really good one. Yeah, they have a better one.
Speaker 1: And rank Europeans sons Mary, Oh you mean.
Speaker 4: The different countries, yeah, Spain, Italy.
Speaker 1: Italy's third, Yes, whoa, I thought we wouldn't have hot takes.
Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna go all the way down to
Speaker 2: the bottom. London very fair.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah rarely yeah yeah, oh.
Speaker 1: You rarely see that one. Yeah that's that's that's all.
Speaker 1: That's only on like the cool that's only on the
Speaker 1: paste list. We laughed.
Speaker 2: But as you can clearly see, some places have better sun.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually came back with some of the pan
Speaker 1: I was. We were in Ireland for ten days. It
Speaker 1: poured the first day and then we got the most gorgeous,
Speaker 1: like seventy three and sonny for most of the trip,
Speaker 1: and I came back with like, at least my face
Speaker 1: got color and you can ask if what you can,
Speaker 1: I'm not lying. It was sunny. We got a photo
Speaker 1: at a pub called The Swan. John Lynch is the
Speaker 1: Swan in Dublin, and I posted it. There was a
Speaker 1: photo like we were outside like pub culture obviously spilling
Speaker 1: onto the street and we were having a few last
Speaker 1: pints on our last night there, if memory serves, And
Speaker 1: then a Firescape listener was like, oh, that's me in
Speaker 1: the background. I thought that was you, but didn't know
Speaker 1: why you'd be in Dublin. I was like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: should come say hi.
Speaker 2: But it's impossible that you could have been there, so
Speaker 2: he didn't say anything.
Speaker 1: That's funny, but France sounds it looked rad were you
Speaker 1: you were in, Like you went up through like the country,
Speaker 1: you stopped at like a chateau for a bit.
Speaker 2: I did, so I was curious.
Speaker 4: I assume you've been to all of France and you
Speaker 4: know where I was. But I went to a all
Speaker 4: town called Cigarette and I've been calling it Cigarette.
Speaker 1: Yeah that sounds good. No, I have not been to
Speaker 1: all of France. I've been to like up up and
Speaker 1: down the west coast Paris several times, and then below
Speaker 1: Paris in the center of the country. But I haven't
Speaker 1: been to like Provence or the south of France, or
Speaker 1: Leon or Burgundy, Champagne, et cetera.
Speaker 2: I drove up through all of them. I tried out
Speaker 2: the crine for Champagne, and I didn't pull over. I
Speaker 2: didn't pull over.
Speaker 1: I was like, we're going Champagne. Champagne's a quick hop
Speaker 1: from Paris, just east of it. No, I like northeast
Speaker 1: of it. Actually, I'm not.
Speaker 4: A huge champagne person, although I do love an apparel spirts,
Speaker 4: which I think includes champagne. But I find champagne by
Speaker 4: itself kind of it always gives me a hangover.
Speaker 3: I have it with mimosas. I had some of those
Speaker 3: last week.
Speaker 2: I love a mimosa in the morning.
Speaker 3: They're great.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think so too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's purely a morning thing for me. But yeah,
Speaker 3: you're not.
Speaker 2: Taking the bait.
Speaker 1: No, what's the bait? You don't You wouldn't use champagne
Speaker 1: in those, you use prosecco.
Speaker 3: Oh, I've never actually made one. Yeah, Hey, we.
Speaker 1: Just combine orange juice and prosecco.
Speaker 3: Oh, I thought it was in champagne the whole time.
Speaker 1: It's sparkling wine, but you could. You could sensibly use champagne,
Speaker 1: for sure. I just don't think immediately if you're getting
Speaker 1: it at.
Speaker 2: A restaurant, comes the wine.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, just purely from a price point. Most restaurants
Speaker 1: would be losing money if they did that with champagne
Speaker 1: when they could be doing prosecco, which is much cheaper.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be a dick about I'm saying
Speaker 1: it was most likely proscco, but you could do it
Speaker 1: with champagne.
Speaker 3: I assume you are right about this.
Speaker 4: I am, yes, right, But you're also speaking to like
Speaker 4: when I grew up, when when you clink glasses of
Speaker 4: sparkling wine you say, oh, champagne.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The first fucking time in my life I heard someone
Speaker 4: say the word prosecco was when we had the Australians
Speaker 4: come over for ETH three and one of the Australians
Speaker 4: asked for a glass of prosecco and I was like,
Speaker 4: what's that and they were like, it's sparkling wine, and
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, champagne.
Speaker 1: And they were like, No, Australians have a pretty good
Speaker 1: base for wine knowledge I have found. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know the country has a gross wine, like a lot
Speaker 1: of it, but yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: I always assumed that sparkling wine was champagne growing up.
Speaker 1: I never no, I did too. It's like xerox, frisbee,
Speaker 1: those words that become kind of synonymous with the thing
Speaker 1: itself to the point where they overtake the actual word
Speaker 1: or whatever. I get it. I was just saying, like
Speaker 1: if you if I'm a restaurant and I have bottles
Speaker 1: of champagne, they're always going to be more almost always
Speaker 1: going to be more expensive than prosecco, or Germany has
Speaker 1: zecked or Spain has kava. It's just like, you make
Speaker 1: more money off than the most of my pouring prosecco the.
Speaker 4: Cheapest and other news of fancy culture. I got a
Speaker 4: tooth gem?
Speaker 1: What is that tooth gem? It's oh, it's exactly what
Speaker 1: it sounds like.
Speaker 3: Oh what the hell? What am I looking that here?
Speaker 3: Whoa what are these French dentists doing? What the fuck
Speaker 3: is this brown woman tooth gem?
Speaker 2: And she has a gem on her tooth?
Speaker 3: Three months dan Oh Okay, so they're not like damaging
Speaker 3: your tooth at all to do that, right, No, it's.
Speaker 2: Not like drilling a hole in your tooth.
Speaker 4: It's it's probably done with like the same dental concrete
Speaker 4: that they used to.
Speaker 2: Put on your braces.
Speaker 4: Though, Okay, I went to an after party, so can
Speaker 4: is kind of like known not just for like these
Speaker 4: like interesting day booths where you like meet and make
Speaker 4: money deals, big big money deals, but at the very
Speaker 4: end there's always like these big parties where like Odessa
Speaker 4: or like dip low play. And I went to one
Speaker 4: of these parties and just there was like a fucking
Speaker 4: lady in the corner doing tooth gems. And I was
Speaker 4: with the CEO of our company Twitch and and I
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, I was with.
Speaker 3: Use the spaceship when you do these.
Speaker 2: No, okay, don't let me have ship.
Speaker 1: And there's a tooth gem. He's in the middle of
Speaker 1: his Italian wedding. He hopped up to France and tooth gem.
Speaker 2: Came back and we and we both got toothjem.
Speaker 1: He got every tooth done covered.
Speaker 2: It like braces.
Speaker 1: Making out with him be like a cat.
Speaker 4: I panicked though, I was like because I think you're
Speaker 4: supposed to get him like on your main teeth so
Speaker 4: that it's like really obvious when you smile. But I
Speaker 4: was like, no, I got it on the lower canine.
Speaker 4: That way, I can like show it off, but if
Speaker 4: I don't want to, it doesn't show.
Speaker 2: But it's three months and what I assume.
Speaker 4: Happens is one day I'll be talking and I'll just
Speaker 4: be like, look and I'll just swam.
Speaker 3: It's not like a cyanide tooth or anything. Though, right,
Speaker 3: you're fine to swallow it.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna kill you, but I do
Speaker 4: think I'll have to like poop it out eventually.
Speaker 3: If it's a tiny little thing, that should be fine.
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty small. I don't.
Speaker 4: I think you can barely tell that it exists.
Speaker 3: I can't really see it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had to like kind of get it is weird.
Speaker 4: I like, I like touch it with my topung a lot.
Speaker 4: I'll like recognize it just like a it'd be like
Speaker 4: having one brace, not braces, but just one brace on
Speaker 4: one of your teeth and you're kind of like, what
Speaker 4: is that?
Speaker 2: Like I touch it a lot, and I noticed it
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 3: But sure, any like it changed to your bite or
Speaker 3: anything like the whole time I was doing like the
Speaker 3: visiline stuff and everything, like every time it shifts or
Speaker 3: something doesn't bite downright or is different, it's like you
Speaker 3: super notice that.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, it's weird to fuck with your mouth.
Speaker 4: I do think it's like probably something the kids are
Speaker 4: getting into, right, Like when we were growing up. I
Speaker 4: think it was like super valuable, at least for the girls.
Speaker 4: It was like you gotta get your belly button pierce.
Speaker 4: Like that's like what a lot of kids were doing, right.
Speaker 4: It was like the way to alter yourself. I actually
Speaker 4: think that a tooth gem is way better because you
Speaker 4: just swallow it in three months and it's no must,
Speaker 4: no fuss.
Speaker 3: It's like you can do a belly button ring too, though, no.
Speaker 4: Because you well, yes, but you always have like a
Speaker 4: little hole in there, ye.
Speaker 1: Ring.
Speaker 2: But you have a whole option.
Speaker 3: Yeah, same thing.
Speaker 2: I'm just talking one day and I swallowed my belly
Speaker 2: button ring.
Speaker 1: You look like you look like Joe Pesci from Home Alone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't worry hands tweet, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: It's a it's it's a funny thing to get, like,
Speaker 4: it is just such a funny thing to acquire on
Speaker 4: a work trip, especially on a work trip, and I
Speaker 4: can't tell you any work trip where I have acquired
Speaker 4: like an alteration to my body aesthetically, uh, because that's
Speaker 4: never occurred. But at this very particular party, they were
Speaker 4: doing all sorts of like strange alterations, temporary tattoos, hair
Speaker 4: gems and tooth gems and so like I just got.
Speaker 3: One hair temporary aspect of that probably makes that an
Speaker 3: easier sell, for sure.
Speaker 2: It is. It is a cell but months right, like well,
Speaker 2: let's temper. Yeah, like a temporary.
Speaker 4: Tattoo of like like a snake on your face, but
Speaker 4: it's three.
Speaker 3: Months, not face for three months. No, I would do
Speaker 3: a stupid temporary tattoo somewhere like arm or something like that,
Speaker 3: even something super stupid. You know, that's temporary. It's as
Speaker 3: long as you can kind of show it when you
Speaker 3: want to. I was doing the opposite of trapesing about
Speaker 3: Europe my trip. My last one was kans Midwest Lake culture,
Speaker 3: which I think is very different than European trade shows
Speaker 3: and stuff. It's is this just like a Midwest Lake
Speaker 3: culture thing where it's every fucking bar is it's the
Speaker 3: wet spot, it's the hungry beaver. It's the slippery leaster.
Speaker 3: It's like eat him run, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: it's just like everything's just like the lamest innu window
Speaker 3: you've ever heard, and everyone thinks it's the funniest thing
Speaker 3: in the world. Yes, is this just a Midwest thing?
Speaker 1: No, that's that's I mean, Okay, Central New York might
Speaker 1: as well be the Midwest. So I can't really tell
Speaker 1: you whether it is or isn't it.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I just know like the ozarcs and like
Speaker 3: cans and stuff and everything. I guess I'd go to
Speaker 3: a lot of lakes in Minnesota's West coast.
Speaker 1: It's not West Coast as well, has stuff like that
Speaker 1: in the like vacation beach here, Lake Lake Country, for sure.
Speaker 3: What is it about drinking near a lake that makes
Speaker 3: people come up with lame sex puns?
Speaker 1: I think it's just like Lake Kisch kind of like
Speaker 1: that's their idea of like humor.
Speaker 3: As we don't dig ourselves too seriously.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like Kiki bars have their own version of
Speaker 1: that kind of humor. And then I think Lake Country
Speaker 1: gets that in a different way and it's a lot
Speaker 1: of innuendo.
Speaker 3: Got youah boy, certain certain type at those Midwest lake places.
Speaker 3: It's just there's a real active disdain for people from
Speaker 3: you know, the coasts or certain cities and things like
Speaker 3: I swear I go home and I just feel like
Speaker 3: everyone thinks I'm know, I'm Chomsky. Like it's just like wow, yeah,
Speaker 3: many people are saying this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, both Marx brothers combined.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's just like even like just every little
Speaker 3: thing has to be like, hey, fuck those people on
Speaker 3: the coast right where it's like here we're having cowboy caviar.
Speaker 3: It's like they like all their fancy caviar, but ours
Speaker 3: is shitty because we don't care. And it's just like
Speaker 3: this weird, like I don't know, there's just this.
Speaker 2: Weird, distained anti culture, but like the.
Speaker 3: Proud like anti culture thing, which is why I love
Speaker 3: going and getting drinking shitty beers on a lake and everything.
Speaker 3: But it's just like, I don't know, everything's gotten. I
Speaker 3: don't know if it was always this way, but it
Speaker 3: just feels like everything's just a little more. It's a
Speaker 3: lot of flags, a lot of weirdly aggressive stuff. But
Speaker 3: you know, hung out with the family, it was it
Speaker 3: was a good time. Got to drive a golf cart
Speaker 3: around for a while, so that was good.
Speaker 1: It does seem to be getting more intense every time
Speaker 1: I go home, like that kind of resentment trip on
Speaker 1: the shoulder and like yeah, different different world, like I've heard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I have those friends who are like, oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: this isn't a shutting oof to Pop. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: I will still drink you onto the table with bud
Speaker 1: lights to this day, don't. That is why.
Speaker 3: No matter how far you go into wine, Mic, no
Speaker 3: matter how deep you go down this wine hole.
Speaker 2: That piece of shit is still really in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I will give you shit, I will give you ship
Speaker 3: for the stuff, but you are still that dumb mess.
Speaker 3: In fact, I shotguned my second beer ever because I
Speaker 3: lost mini golf at the lake and I was thinking
Speaker 3: to you, Mike was like, this is the second time
Speaker 3: I've ever done this, And Mike taught me how to
Speaker 3: do this many many years ago, because yeah, you are
Speaker 3: that dumb ass is there and you don't look down
Speaker 3: your nose of that one bit.
Speaker 1: So you got videos of me sprinting and diving into
Speaker 1: trash cans, like not far from where I live right
Speaker 1: now at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, no, I deeply respect that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every time I go home, people are like I
Speaker 1: was like, I I love a bud Light. I'm not, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to actually like like the taste. Of course,
Speaker 1: that's beside the point. At that point, like I'll drink them,
Speaker 1: but a blue light there's nothing better. It's it's blue light,
Speaker 1: the bat blue light, Guinness wine in that or PBR
Speaker 1: on a hot smoke a peeb no this weekend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really do like them, and to this day,
Speaker 4: even here in my hometown, PBR is like one of
Speaker 4: the more affordable drinks you can get, and I I
Speaker 4: love like after a long day, especially on a hot day,
Speaker 4: having cold PBR and fries like that is my go to.
Speaker 2: So like it's still in there.
Speaker 3: I got to say, I don't think I'm in any
Speaker 3: way a snob, but because like any shitty beer, Like
Speaker 3: I just drank nothing but Milwaukee's Best Light and I'll
Speaker 3: do that to this day, whatever shitty beer you give me,
Speaker 3: I'll drink it.
Speaker 2: Whatever somebody sends you too.
Speaker 4: I think the way to your heart is just for
Speaker 4: people to send you things and then you'll be like,
Speaker 4: I love brand.
Speaker 2: You know what you would have loved can Leon. It
Speaker 2: was essentially brand Fest.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: That was all it was.
Speaker 3: I I disagree there because the beers that I've gotten
Speaker 3: for free. I had the thing with bud Light in Connecticut,
Speaker 3: and I got the thing with Utipils here, and I
Speaker 3: genuinely like both of those. I don't even work with
Speaker 3: bud Light anymore, but I still say I like, but
Speaker 3: like no. But I'm about to say there is a
Speaker 3: beer I tried that I did not like, maybe for
Speaker 3: the first time. Quick Trip. Do you know the brand
Speaker 3: Quick Trip? Not the one everyone thinks they know it,
Speaker 3: but it's yeah, but it's the Midwest, like Red Sign.
Speaker 1: Mike.
Speaker 3: You might have seen it because you spent some time, Yes,
Speaker 3: everywhere in the Midwest, and I love Quick Trip. They
Speaker 3: got great tiketos and and like all sorts of great
Speaker 3: stuff there. But apparently they introduced their own beer called
Speaker 3: quentin Time, and there was a bunch of that at
Speaker 3: the lake and I drank some Quinton Time, and uh,
Speaker 3: it ain't good at all. They had nothing. It was
Speaker 3: a lot of Quittin Time and like one of the
Speaker 3: Kelsey's beers garage beer or something. Yeah, that's the one
Speaker 3: I shotguned. Was Travis Kelsey's beer.
Speaker 1: That's the only way.
Speaker 3: Jason Kelsey, who's the Kansas City one. Travis Okay, I
Speaker 3: think Travis Kelsey has a beer called.
Speaker 2: You're not the same guy there.
Speaker 3: They both have beards.
Speaker 1: Now. His brother, Jason kelce was a center for the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles, and Travis Kelcey is the tight end for
Speaker 1: the Kansasity Chiefs.
Speaker 3: But they're both all over the place. Yes, Oh, it's
Speaker 3: co owned by both Kelsey brothers.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. I don't mind, and I don't
Speaker 1: like the Eagles whatsoever. Fuck them.
Speaker 3: That beer was fine. The Kelseys have a better beer
Speaker 3: than Quick Trip, but yeah, it's all very.
Speaker 1: I'd be worried if they didn't because Quick Trip, if
Speaker 1: memory serves, was kind of like we had like nice
Speaker 1: and easy Cumberland farms, munches, you know, a gas station,
Speaker 1: but meat's like not quite not bodega at all, but
Speaker 1: like mini grocery store with like rollers and hot dogs
Speaker 1: and ship. Yeah, beer caves they always got it. It's
Speaker 1: always a beer cave. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Roadside, you know, very You're on a road trip going
Speaker 3: down I thirty five and you stop and get some
Speaker 3: bullshit to refuel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I don't miss driving, really, but I
Speaker 1: do miss like hot summer nights with my body, like
Speaker 1: fourteen years ago. Not that like not, I'm not talking.
Speaker 1: I'm still talking after high school, like college years, when
Speaker 1: I went back for a couple of years, Like when
Speaker 1: it's hot as ship and you get out and you
Speaker 1: walk into that like walk in beer cave and you're
Speaker 1: just there for the temperature and you walk out, maybe
Speaker 1: a couple of Molson's, maybe a few the Bats, and
Speaker 1: it's just a it's a great, great rest of night
Speaker 1: because because you have shitty beer.
Speaker 3: I mean, that was that was my move. When I
Speaker 3: worked at the liquor store. You know, a couple comes in.
Speaker 3: You know it's a college liquor store, I probably told us,
Speaker 3: but like it's usually just college gypshits coming in a
Speaker 3: game day buying a cheap beer. But you'd occasionally see
Speaker 3: a thirty thirty something couple coming in and they would
Speaker 3: go to the wine section and oh no, they're gonna
Speaker 3: ask me a question about wine. And that's when I
Speaker 3: hide in the freezer until they leave.
Speaker 1: It's my entire job at the bars, people coming in
Speaker 1: and asking for wine recommendations.
Speaker 3: I had the Yeah, imagine.
Speaker 2: If I'll be right back with your recommendation, sir.
Speaker 1: You're just peering between the cases. Are yet?
Speaker 3: Are they gone yet?
Speaker 1: There's a painting in the corner where the eye holes
Speaker 1: cut out that Dad's watching them through.
Speaker 3: It's just the paintings in Kansas.
Speaker 2: No, dude, you know what I like buzzballs?
Speaker 3: Ooh, what flavor?
Speaker 2: I like the green one?
Speaker 3: That's okay, that's the one we had. Have you seen
Speaker 3: the giant ones that are like two leaders.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen the giant ones.
Speaker 3: That's the one we had.
Speaker 2: The cream ones that are like made of milk.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We we went to the Airbnb for a giant bomb
Speaker 3: Summer Games Fest place and there was a fridge that
Speaker 3: didn't work in a garage and we opened it up
Speaker 3: and there was a two liter green buzzball in there
Speaker 3: from god knows when. And I'll be damned if we
Speaker 3: did not kill that thing. Jan fucking Edward forty hands
Speaker 3: that thing and taped it to his hands and was
Speaker 3: going around. I had my video on my phone of
Speaker 3: him going around to a bunch of games media people
Speaker 3: who are kneeling on the floor as he is like
Speaker 3: a communion ritual, and he's pouring the green buzzball into
Speaker 3: everyone's mouth and we killed the thing. I poured it
Speaker 3: on a fucking burger and ate it. I would green buzzball?
Speaker 1: Is it green apple? I'm assuming no.
Speaker 3: It was like a weird tequila. It was. It was bad.
Speaker 3: It was, and I made the extra bad.
Speaker 2: It was margarita.
Speaker 3: Oh that I think that might have been it.
Speaker 2: I think that's what it is.
Speaker 4: The color is a better way to describe it than
Speaker 4: the flavor profile.
Speaker 1: Jolly Rancher.
Speaker 2: The way buzzballs work exactly.
Speaker 4: You're just having orange or blue, but you're not really
Speaker 4: having like a flavor.
Speaker 2: It's it's a pixie stick.
Speaker 3: Dude with they get to drink which with a hard.
Speaker 2: Clicker in it. It's it's great. We used to, uh.
Speaker 4: I went on a work trip one where we got
Speaker 4: the buzzballs, and then we watched the James Bond one
Speaker 4: that is about the gambling casino Royal Casino Royale, and
Speaker 4: you know how like in that one he gets trapped
Speaker 4: and they tie him to a chair and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they hit his balls for a while. That's
Speaker 3: not great.
Speaker 2: You have to drink a buzz ball every time the
Speaker 2: balls get hit.
Speaker 3: Full buzzball, every ball hit no, just like a wig. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's such a short scene. Like, that's not a drinking game.
Speaker 3: But I think of a drinking game. It's one that like, oh,
Speaker 3: throughout this movie, they're gonna say this word a bunch
Speaker 3: and you drink every time they say it. There's only
Speaker 3: like one ball torture scene in Casino Royale.
Speaker 4: Name a movie with more balls than Dan.
Speaker 3: More balls balls, pop Star has more dick. Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: that's not what I more balls. Oh you don't see
Speaker 3: his balls props are now? You just see the dick
Speaker 3: rubbing against the window.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so ball references not fucking waiting, which Dan
Speaker 1: made me watching his basement.
Speaker 3: I didn't make you to doctor Ryan from the chat.
Speaker 1: Maybe I've never even seen this plugging in a salamander
Speaker 1: infested basement.
Speaker 3: And it was still waiting the sequel to waiting those movies.
Speaker 1: I am so ashamed I ever found that funny when
Speaker 1: I was like fucking fifteen.
Speaker 2: It's so embarrassing either. But I was a waiter, so
Speaker 2: like I was like, I get it.
Speaker 3: You know Joe Dirt the dog who has the big
Speaker 3: saggy balls and it gets frozen to the deck and
Speaker 3: they have to use dispatch to let it get his
Speaker 3: balls off the deck.
Speaker 1: Joe Dirt has a lot of balls balls movie. Other
Speaker 1: than that, though, I think.
Speaker 3: What if Joe Dirt holds up? I like Joe Dirt
Speaker 3: a lot back in the day.
Speaker 1: Brandy is it Brandy? Yes?
Speaker 3: His sister Brittany m and Brittany Uh yes, Howard Brittany.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She went on to be in a few things.
Speaker 1: She was a Jo durt too. She was the cousin.
Speaker 1: She was a cousin as a guest star in one
Speaker 1: episode of that seventy show, and then she was also
Speaker 1: she played a recurring character whose very name is Her
Speaker 1: name's Carmen, but the gang and it's always Sonny has
Speaker 1: a nickname for her, which I'm not going to repeat here,
Speaker 1: but people who watch the show know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brittany Daniel Yeah, no, always sung in Philadelphia. Yeah,
Speaker 3: JODRT two beautiful Loser, Loser white Chicks, all the stars
Speaker 3: are here. Cheaper by the Dozen Yeah that eighties. Holy shit, I've.
Speaker 1: Seen Cheaper by the dozen way more times than I
Speaker 1: care to admit. Why who is she in Cheaper by doesn't?
Speaker 1: Was she a sister?
Speaker 3: Now she's Basketball Diaries what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, that's way higher clout than most of her
Speaker 1: other stuff.
Speaker 3: No, she has an identical twin sister.
Speaker 1: Oh does she really?
Speaker 3: Yeah? What's her name, Cynthia Daniel?
Speaker 1: Maybe it's her and other stuff I've been seeing.
Speaker 3: It could be she's also an actress and looks exactly
Speaker 3: like her.
Speaker 1: So I've jaded to two different people.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's how it works. There are two
Speaker 3: different people. Don't know if the other one's been in
Speaker 3: ones that you've seen.
Speaker 1: I've had one more person in my spank bank than
Speaker 1: I thought this whole time.
Speaker 2: This whole time, there's.
Speaker 1: Limited space in there. I'm very selective. Do you guys
Speaker 1: want to talk about it? Oh? I didn't talk about
Speaker 1: Ireland yet. Yeah, Ireland's fucking awesome. I miss it. We started,
Speaker 1: we did three days in Dublin, drove rented a car
Speaker 1: and Dublin, drove down to Cork City and then drove
Speaker 1: up the Wild Atlantic Way to Galway and then drove
Speaker 1: across the country back to Dublin. Unreal. We got phenomenal
Speaker 1: weather seven days out of ten. The other times I
Speaker 1: like rain a lot, but I was glad it was
Speaker 1: not rained the whole time. My wife does not like rain,
Speaker 1: but she was being a champ in case it did rain.
Speaker 1: It did not. We stayed on a houseboat in Galway
Speaker 1: in the bay we.
Speaker 3: Saw that the picture of the houseboat so awesome.
Speaker 1: Like funnily enough. Man and I always talk about when
Speaker 1: we finally I've never been to Amsterdam. She has when I,
Speaker 1: when I finally go to Amsterdam, I want to spend
Speaker 1: at least a night on one of the houseboats there.
Speaker 1: This boat was a refurbished Amsterdam barge houseboat that like
Speaker 1: they used to use on the river there, canal whatever,
Speaker 1: what have you. So we stayed there. That was great.
Speaker 1: We did two nights on the boat. I would not
Speaker 1: do any more than that. No, it was big enough
Speaker 1: where it was like basically half of it was beached.
Speaker 1: But there she the airbnb owner, she's a Portuguese like captain.
Speaker 1: She owns two other boats that are moored right with it.
Speaker 1: So if you wanted, if you are going to Ireland
Speaker 1: with like a group of six people, you could rent
Speaker 1: out each boat and have a little like Armada party
Speaker 1: if you wanted. You're not supposed to have parties there,
Speaker 1: but it was it was super cool. Galway is awesome.
Speaker 1: Gallway felt more. Galway's the smallest city we stayed in,
Speaker 1: and it felt more like a vacation where like people
Speaker 1: from Ireland were going there for the weekend, but super
Speaker 1: like gorgeous beaches around there, pubs. The whole trip was amazing,
Speaker 1: tons of good Spanish food. I knew Ireland and Spain
Speaker 1: have this relationship going back centuries from trade routes, but
Speaker 1: like all the top Us places we went to were unreal.
Speaker 1: I think most of our favorite food was Spanish while
Speaker 1: we were there. But Dan I had a meal there
Speaker 1: that I think maybe my favorite meal the whole ten days.
Speaker 1: I think you'd both like it, but Dan, you especially.
Speaker 1: I was like, holy shit, this is like I feel
Speaker 1: like the if fire Escape ever goes to Dublin, we
Speaker 1: need to go to this place called Spitalfields. It's a pub. However,
Speaker 1: they are famous for like they do really good pies,
Speaker 1: like pot pies. They have this thing called a kakaaliki pie,
Speaker 1: which is just a kakaalaky pie. It's just slang for
Speaker 1: a chicken and leaks like big green onions to be reductive.
Speaker 1: But they come.
Speaker 4: It's like a bar that Dan would have found in
Speaker 4: one of his towns.
Speaker 3: No, that was the leaky cock it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they danced around it a bit in Dublin, but yeah,
Speaker 1: but no, it comes in it's like it's perfectly like
Speaker 1: brown top to this, like braided pie unreal. And then
Speaker 1: you also we got beef stuffed Parker House rolls before
Speaker 1: it as well. It was like short slow cooked, like
Speaker 1: braised short ribs inside a Parker House roll. Unreal. If
Speaker 1: you haven't been to Spital if you've been, if you're
Speaker 1: going to Dublin a point, go to Spidal Fields and
Speaker 1: also like just a good pub in general. The whole
Speaker 1: Amanda and I try to go to the like botanical
Speaker 1: garden or whatever is closest wherever we go. We did
Speaker 1: it in Paris. Paris has like Luxembourg gardens and then
Speaker 1: we've done stuff like that. But in Dublin went to
Speaker 1: the Botanical garden, one of our favorites. It was massive gorge.
Speaker 1: They had like tons of different spots. They had a
Speaker 1: greenhouse full of palms from like South Africa and Africa
Speaker 1: and Australia. They had the cactie from the American Southwest.
Speaker 1: They had basically everything and people were awesome. I love Dublin.
Speaker 1: I liked Cork City a lot. It grew on me.
Speaker 1: It actually weirdly reminded me of San Francisco after a bit. Geographically,
Speaker 1: we didn't realize how hilly it was till we got
Speaker 1: into town and it basically straddles the River Lee. So
Speaker 1: we went into a few pubs along like the tourist area.
Speaker 1: We're like, all right, I feel like we've seen Cork City.
Speaker 1: And then we climbed Saint Patrick's Hill found a field
Speaker 1: which kind of reminds me of this park where near
Speaker 1: where I used to live in San Francisco, where you
Speaker 1: could see a ton of the city. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's like twelve hills here with houses and schools and
Speaker 1: stuff on it. So I would have liked an extra
Speaker 1: day in Cork City compared to what we had. But
Speaker 1: Galway was amazing too, But yeah, Dublin was like really
Speaker 1: up ended my expectations. I was just expecting the pub culture,
Speaker 1: which was absolutely the and we had a blast with it.
Speaker 1: But so much good food, really cool people, walkable, easy
Speaker 1: to get around, they take care of every single like
Speaker 1: little park. So well, yeah, loved Ireland. Will absolutely go
Speaker 1: back nice.
Speaker 3: I have to check that out sometimes that like right
Speaker 3: off the coast of United Kingdom or Britain or England
Speaker 3: or island whatever.
Speaker 1: That island is the island, okay, let me get this.
Speaker 1: The island itself is.
Speaker 3: Britain, okay, but the country England and Wales and Scotland
Speaker 3: are all on that island, right correct, And then all
Speaker 3: of that's the United Kingdom.
Speaker 1: No, the United Kingdom also includes stuff like the Isle
Speaker 1: of Man, which is I believe between Britain and Ireland
Speaker 1: and Northern Ireland. So Northern Ireland is basically across from
Speaker 1: like Glasgow in Scotland. I want to say, I might
Speaker 1: be mixing up the latitudes there, but yeah. So Dublin's
Speaker 1: on the east coast of Ireland. It looks at like
Speaker 1: Liverpool basically if you're looking straight at the not that
Speaker 1: you could see it at least I don't think you can,
Speaker 1: but yeah, But then London is on the opposite side
Speaker 1: of England looking at Mainland Europe like France.
Speaker 3: I guess, so just not a crazy flight like you've
Speaker 3: gone to England. It's probably it's pretty much.
Speaker 1: Like that Dublin took. I mean, going coming back is
Speaker 1: always a bit longer, but going there it was six hours.
Speaker 1: They probably did it like five and a half, super
Speaker 1: easy flight. And then Dublin itself. We got on the
Speaker 1: Dublin's got it figured out. We got off the plane,
Speaker 1: we got onto Dublin Express. It's the airport shuttle that
Speaker 1: brings you to the city. Like the people in the
Speaker 1: lines were like, hey, where are you staying in Dublin?
Speaker 1: And I told them. They're like, okay. You can see
Speaker 1: them doing like this, the mapping in their head. They're like,
Speaker 1: all right, you want to get off at this stop,
Speaker 1: off the seven eighty four, and there's three buses that
Speaker 1: pull up, and you get on the seven eighty four
Speaker 1: and you get off at the stop they told you
Speaker 1: it's like fifteen minutes on a bus from the airport
Speaker 1: to the city center.
Speaker 3: Oh nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was awesome. And then on the way back,
Speaker 1: saying like, okay, here's a bus you want to get on,
Speaker 1: and they get you to the airport in like fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: Oh nice. Yeah, phenomenal. Not at all like any of
Speaker 1: the airports near here in New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, the airports suck.
Speaker 1: We need to do a like a we should do
Speaker 1: a like find an excuse to do a fire escape
Speaker 1: Dublin meetup, and.
Speaker 3: I want to just do another meetup period. That one
Speaker 3: we did was great.
Speaker 1: I think it was good.
Speaker 2: We had a good time.
Speaker 4: I think they're fun to do and you get to
Speaker 4: like meet really interesting and like lovely people.
Speaker 2: I think like that is a joy to do.
Speaker 4: But I think it's always nice to try and do
Speaker 4: one in an area where you wouldn't expect that you
Speaker 4: could do it.
Speaker 2: I think min Max does that quite well. Or there's
Speaker 2: just be like.
Speaker 4: We're in this wild down We're going to do a meetup,
Speaker 4: And I think that that's a really lovely thing to
Speaker 4: do for not just the listeners, but for everybody just
Speaker 4: to be able to meet each other, right, Like listeners
Speaker 4: want to meet other fans of the show too, so
Speaker 4: that's really exciting to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it was Drew Scanalon and Patrick Klippik did
Speaker 3: one in Raykovic when they went out there for Giant
Speaker 3: Bomb many years ago, And like I do like the
Speaker 3: idea of like, you know, fans in a place that
Speaker 3: they would never expect that like, oh, these guys are
Speaker 3: gonna have a meet up here like that that is
Speaker 3: a fun thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, m hm, we should plan something. I'd about to
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 3: I would like that.
Speaker 1: I don't want to drink catinup at this one, though. No.
Speaker 3: I will be in New York in about a month,
Speaker 3: so we should talk about that. Mike, all right, yeah,
Speaker 3: let's do it very briefly. But I'd like to see you,
Speaker 3: yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: Right, you want to talk about video games? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Reviews are officially out for Death Stranding two. They have
Speaker 1: been for some time. But Dan, you've been playing it
Speaker 1: a lot. You went to Kojima Productions a couple months
Speaker 1: ago at this point, played a lot of it September
Speaker 1: a few months. Was it that long ago?
Speaker 3: I thought so?
Speaker 1: No, not at all. This was like two months ago
Speaker 1: when you kept telling us that you were there, was it?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it wasn't that long. What the fuck am
Speaker 3: I thinking of?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: No, September was the Nintendo Museum. No, yeah, I went
Speaker 3: more recently too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, sorry, I get all these
Speaker 3: cool trips in Japan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: You're always confusing which time you're sucking at the teat
Speaker 4: of these Diehionese developers. But tell us a little bit
Speaker 4: about Death Stranding too.
Speaker 3: I talked about a bit after I played my thirty
Speaker 3: hour preview and I was in personal Academa.
Speaker 1: Production thirty hours I did.
Speaker 3: But you know the thing is, it's like I kind
Speaker 3: of got the sense it would be this way when
Speaker 3: I played it the first time. Is that like, all right,
Speaker 3: it's Akadema game. There's a lot of talking, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of cutscenes, and like you know, every time you
Speaker 3: go back and deliver something, a holograms like there you saying, wow,
Speaker 3: look at this, you really these diapers are in great condition.
Speaker 3: And so I was able to skip through all that
Speaker 3: this time. So I was able to in about I
Speaker 3: would say, ten or twelve hours, get past or get
Speaker 3: up to like the thirty hour mark or release that
Speaker 3: level of progress. So burn through that pretty quick. And
Speaker 3: also it's just a fun game to play. The mechanics
Speaker 3: are great, so there really wasn't even an issue with
Speaker 3: that of me being like, god, damn, I do this
Speaker 3: all again. You know, a lot of games I would
Speaker 3: not like that. But it's a tremendous game. It is fantastic.
Speaker 3: It is this in blueprints easily for my Game of
Speaker 3: the Year contender, for my personal number one. You know,
Speaker 3: I haven't been desperating too. Yet I think I'm like
Speaker 3: right at the end, my PlayStation thing says that I'm
Speaker 3: like eighty something percent in right now. But it's just
Speaker 3: in an industry where it's like, I don't know, when
Speaker 3: you've played a lot of video games, a lot of
Speaker 3: video games tend to do the same things, and you know,
Speaker 3: some can incrementally make things better or different or whatever
Speaker 3: push something forward, but it's rare that you're just constantly
Speaker 3: surprised by something. And I do feel like with this game.
Speaker 3: It's just there were so many times where I'd get
Speaker 3: a higher porter rank with some you know guy, and
Speaker 3: he'd be like, hey, check this out. I'm giving this
Speaker 3: to you, and it's a rubber pizza that you can
Speaker 3: use and it'll you can fold it up and put
Speaker 3: it in your grenade pouch and you can throw pizzas
Speaker 3: at guys now. And I'm like, oh, okay, I didn't
Speaker 3: expect that, or you know, just a fun little moment
Speaker 3: with doll Man.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: By the way, I'm not going to spoil a huge
Speaker 3: story points here, but like, if you've worried about like
Speaker 3: mechanics and items and things like that, I will probably
Speaker 3: be talking about that type of stuff or little surprises
Speaker 3: just there's it is just dripping with personality, and I
Speaker 3: can't help but think when I play it that like
Speaker 3: it's using that Decima engine that Horizon uses, and Horizon
Speaker 3: Horizon's a great example of the thing I was talking
Speaker 3: about before of like, look, it's a good game, but
Speaker 3: it's so just like yeah, on a technical level, on
Speaker 3: so many like obviously so many talent people worked on this,
Speaker 3: but it's not surprising me in any way. You know,
Speaker 3: when I play through a Horizon game, it's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: this is all very impressive, but this sure is a
Speaker 3: video game. This is an open world video game. This
Speaker 3: is using that incredible technology and also just having this
Speaker 3: like really weird, uncompromising vision of what Kajema wants this
Speaker 3: thing to be, which is what he's always done. And
Speaker 3: it is surprising me all the time. And you know,
Speaker 3: even fifty hours in on this run, you know, plus
Speaker 3: the thirty before, it is just every once day I'll
Speaker 3: get a new item and like, oh, it's a fucking
Speaker 3: cyber coffin that I can surf on and I can
Speaker 3: like accelerate. So I'm basically like have a noboard basically
Speaker 3: made out of a coffin that I can surf on
Speaker 3: up these mountains and stuff and carry stuff, and I
Speaker 3: can use it to like jump into if I want
Speaker 3: to do stealthy stuff, and it'll take me into the
Speaker 3: tar under the ground and then I can stun bomb
Speaker 3: and come out and kill guys, and just there's just
Speaker 3: so many weird items and like aesthetic pieces and stuff
Speaker 3: like that that you can equip. There's just a lot
Speaker 3: of surprises in this game. In fact, I played it
Speaker 3: on my birthday. I played it on the morning of
Speaker 3: my birthday. I went down it got a couple hours
Speaker 3: for work, and you frequently go back to the Magell
Speaker 3: and your home ship, and I went in there and
Speaker 3: instead of taking me to the private room, Sam was
Speaker 3: kind of like he walked into the bridge and I
Speaker 3: saw it was all dark, and el Fanning's character was
Speaker 3: like ducking behind a chair, and I was like, what
Speaker 3: the fuck is going on here? And then Dollman, the
Speaker 3: fucking puppet drops down from the ceiling and he's like
Speaker 3: happy birthday, and I was like what, And all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, all the lights come on. Fucking Norman Ritas
Speaker 3: and George Miller, the director of Mad Max, and fucking
Speaker 3: all these actions and stuff like lay us dud and
Speaker 3: everyone's coming out looking at the camera, just breaking the
Speaker 3: fourth wall with confetti cannons and they shot him at
Speaker 3: the camera, which is a little insensitive considering SCons my
Speaker 3: recent history. Yeah, and the fucking puppet and they sang
Speaker 3: happy birthday to me and like totally breaking the fourth wall.
Speaker 3: The villain Troy Baker Higgs comes out with a fucking
Speaker 3: pizza and he's like walking out with a pizza looking
Speaker 3: at the camera like happy birthday. Here's someone like shows
Speaker 3: me a pizza. And then and then the fucking mannequin
Speaker 3: robot pops up and spills the pizza and they're like
Speaker 3: god damn it. And it's just this silly, silly little
Speaker 3: scene that I don't know if anyone else has really
Speaker 3: seen this, because I don't know they're playing it on
Speaker 3: their birthday pre released like I was. But I was
Speaker 3: just like smiling, like, goddamn it, what a funny little thing.
Speaker 3: I just did not see this coming at all. And
Speaker 3: it's just that personality is all over this fucking game,
Speaker 3: on top of it just being a top tier open
Speaker 3: world action game to play with anything that like you
Speaker 3: might have liked from the first game. The delivery stuff
Speaker 3: is all very fun and everything again, but it's just
Speaker 3: like it's more of a big fun toy sandbox than ever,
Speaker 3: and I adore it. I think it's I think it's
Speaker 3: fucking great a narrative.
Speaker 1: If it was that, I asked, well, no, no, no, sorry, continue.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm just gonna say, like, if look the narrative,
Speaker 3: it's nonsense, Like I never thought that was the strongest
Speaker 3: point of the first game, where it's just like, look,
Speaker 3: this is a bunch of just terms and weird ideas
Speaker 3: and things like that don't quite follow everything. I'm impressed
Speaker 3: by the technical stuff, but whatever, It's better this time
Speaker 3: just because there's way more scenes of like this group
Speaker 3: of like this weirdos on your ship that are all
Speaker 3: kind of like talking to each other and befriending each
Speaker 3: other and kind of like camaraderie type stuff. So it
Speaker 3: is better with that stuff this time around. But I
Speaker 3: would not go in expecting this to be like, look,
Speaker 3: Metal Gear felt like nonsense to a lot of people,
Speaker 3: but like there actually was kind of this like epic
Speaker 3: tale being told throughout those games. This is the needles
Speaker 3: more on the side of nonsense on this one, but
Speaker 3: it's still whenever it cuts thee started, I was never like, uh,
Speaker 3: here we go again. It's just nonsense. But it's fun
Speaker 3: to watch, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say the it was the emerging gameplay,
Speaker 1: like the systems, kind of like you finding the story
Speaker 1: in the first game, that was to me the most
Speaker 1: entertaining part, And this sounds like it's leaning even harder
Speaker 1: into like open world immersive sim kind of shit, like
Speaker 1: with different tools to be playing around with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are just so many times that like, I'm
Speaker 3: trying to do something, you know, I have so many
Speaker 3: tools at my disposal, and you know, you'll approach a
Speaker 3: bandit base or something and you'll have an idea of like, Okay,
Speaker 3: what if I like an immersive sim, you know, like
Speaker 3: a Dishonored or something. You'll okay, well, here's my plan
Speaker 3: with this, and it will inevitably go awry at least
Speaker 3: fear me. And then you've got to kind of like
Speaker 3: figure out a way around this. And they give you
Speaker 3: so many tools to make it silly and fun and exciting.
Speaker 3: I would recommend watching the quick look that we recorded
Speaker 3: today should be up definitely by the time this podcast
Speaker 3: comes out for Giant Bomb. Showed off a lot there's
Speaker 3: a lot of those moments where I'm like trying one
Speaker 3: thing and I have to switch to another. I also
Speaker 3: showed off a really cool kind of like boss battle
Speaker 3: lead up at the end of the quick look.
Speaker 1: It's just a.
Speaker 4: Really battles Like are they also about like utilizing mechanics.
Speaker 3: Or a lot of them, Like some of them are
Speaker 3: similar to the ones in the first game where it's
Speaker 3: like you're just in the over world and there's just
Speaker 3: a bunch of fucking tar everywhere and it's like a
Speaker 3: big robot or a BT or something and you're shooting
Speaker 3: weak spots. Some of them are like that, and then
Speaker 3: some of them are a little more interesting. We're in
Speaker 3: the first game. I had the Mads Mickelson one, so
Speaker 3: where it was kind of removed a bit from Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was trench warfare. It was like different wars. It
Speaker 3: was like this was World War One, this one's Vietnam,
Speaker 3: this one's you know this or this or that. There
Speaker 3: is a different character. You've seen him in the trailers.
Speaker 3: It's the solid snack guy Neil, and you know he's
Speaker 3: a big focus of some of these flashbacks and story
Speaker 3: things this time, and like he kind of has that
Speaker 3: Mad's Michelson roll this time of like, oh, Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: in a different place. What is this place? Who is
Speaker 3: this guy? And that's still kind of unfolding where I'm
Speaker 3: at in the game now, and it's it's intriguing, but
Speaker 3: you know, it's all still just very abstract feeling. But
Speaker 3: it's very very cool the way everything is directed and presented.
Speaker 1: I asked this as someone who really liked the excruciating
Speaker 1: minuchhe of like shifting my balance just so to not
Speaker 1: topple stuff. I know a lot of people found the
Speaker 1: on ramp of that to be too long in the
Speaker 1: first that's stranding to get to the actual really cool
Speaker 1: action stuff where you see everything kind of come together.
Speaker 1: Does it get there more quickly in this game or
Speaker 1: is it still pretty plotting early on.
Speaker 3: One thousand percent?
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: That is one of the big strengths of this game.
Speaker 3: Like I've had a lot of people ask me, like,
Speaker 3: if I didn't play the first one, or I didn't
Speaker 3: love the first one, you know, can I just jump
Speaker 3: into this? And I think, yeah, I tell people, like
Speaker 3: watch a explainer video, watch like some twenty minute thing
Speaker 3: on YouTube. It kind of a basic idea of it,
Speaker 3: and this one drops you in really really quick. I
Speaker 3: remember the first one. There's a lot of like Norman
Speaker 3: Radius crying in the rain and meeting layas to do
Speaker 3: and all this stuff and trying to like a lot
Speaker 3: of exposition about what time fall rain is and the
Speaker 3: Chiro network and all this. It's this kind of just
Speaker 3: gets into it, like right at the beginning, it's just like, hey,
Speaker 3: you're with your baby, get back home. And then there's
Speaker 3: just a bunch of really cool you know, music and avalanches,
Speaker 3: and you know, there's a lot more like weather effects
Speaker 3: and windstorms and earthquakes and stuff this time around, So
Speaker 3: it gets into it much much quicker.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, someone was telling me this game's weather effects.
Speaker 1: It does a bunch of different cool weather effects that
Speaker 1: are feeling like actually like next gen or of like
Speaker 1: they didn't expand because I told them not to tell
Speaker 1: me too much, but they said there's some stuff it's
Speaker 1: doing with weather that actually makes it feel like new. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of games have had like weather
Speaker 3: cycles where it's like okay, now it's raining. Now it's
Speaker 3: not this one. Like there are times you're going across
Speaker 3: a desert, and it's not like a scripted thing or whatever.
Speaker 3: It's just like, hey, I'm trying to the side mission
Speaker 3: out there in the desert. And you're walking and you're like, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm being fine. I got in a battery. I'll be okay,
Speaker 3: I got enough stamina. And then you'll see, like from
Speaker 3: way far in the distance, like this red sandstorm coming
Speaker 3: in your way, and you'll like hear Norman readers be like,
Speaker 3: oh that doesn't look good. It's like, oh shit, and
Speaker 3: like so you're kind of like looking at your map,
Speaker 3: like I'm still about six hundred meters from there, and
Speaker 3: that looks like a big fucking storm coming this way,
Speaker 3: and before you know what, just everything's red and there's lightning,
Speaker 3: and it's just like fuck. You're just trying to like,
Speaker 3: you know, get to the place you're delivering things. Could
Speaker 3: you get in a lot of cyber coffin for shelter. Well,
Speaker 3: this here's the thing, Mike. The cyber coffin only works
Speaker 3: on the when you're on the chiral network. So if
Speaker 3: you're delivering to a place that you've attack too yet,
Speaker 3: you can't utilize the tar currents on your coffin board.
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed, Are there anyway? Merry?
Speaker 4: Game of the Year is the new biomes or like
Speaker 4: things that are you finder, like fast is a larger world?
Speaker 3: Is Mexico in Australia a biome?
Speaker 1: Well Australia has every biome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mexico from Mexico and Australia.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so Australia. It's a lot of yeah,
Speaker 1: so oh okay. So destreating one was.
Speaker 3: Like America, You're connecting America.
Speaker 1: The first section of the game that like ended up
Speaker 1: feeling the prologue after was like DC.
Speaker 3: To You're starting on the East Coast and then there's
Speaker 3: that huge open thing and it's like Midwest.
Speaker 1: The big lake in the center. Yeah, and then lake
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and then you get across over the.
Speaker 3: The Rockies and stuff. Yeah yeah, it's similar. So yeah,
Speaker 3: the first like i'd say, like eight hours is Mexico
Speaker 3: and then you travel via the plate gate to Australia.
Speaker 3: Play play o K it's the tectonic plates or something
Speaker 3: in the chiral network make a big gate and then
Speaker 3: like these crazy monk cult guys have a whole ritual
Speaker 3: around it, and then if you walk through it, you
Speaker 3: kind of go through a LSD trip and then you
Speaker 3: wind up in Australia.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I have this game downloaded right now and
Speaker 1: I'm fucking ready to go.
Speaker 3: It's it has a very strong start. I think, like, like,
Speaker 3: you know, so much of it is just that Kajima
Speaker 3: factor and like the music and everything, and right at
Speaker 3: the beginning when you're just kind of walking over these
Speaker 3: mountains and it's you know, the rocks are tumbling down,
Speaker 3: it's playing this wood Kid song and it's just like,
Speaker 3: oh boy, no one really does it quite like this,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people did really like the music in the first one.
Speaker 4: In fact, there were bands discovered in the first one.
Speaker 3: Low Roar was a big one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sick is going to be a big one in
Speaker 2: this as well.
Speaker 1: Helen Darren's like step son, didn't he put the sound?
Speaker 1: Yeah he did a lot of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah for the first one. Yeah, this one has fucking
Speaker 3: awesome music and it's all like it's no one I've
Speaker 3: heard of before. But now I'm like, shit, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: some of this Woodkid stuff is really good and it's
Speaker 3: all extremely fitting and it's a really good game to
Speaker 3: just turn off all the lights and get a little
Speaker 3: high and just sink into And yeah, I think it
Speaker 3: will be polarizing to some, but I think it's gonna
Speaker 3: be less so than the first time because, like, people
Speaker 3: kind of know what the deal is with death stranding now,
Speaker 3: and this isn't reinventing the wheel, it's just doing it
Speaker 3: all a lot better.
Speaker 2: I think, do you need to play the first one
Speaker 2: to play the second one?
Speaker 3: I don't think you do. I'd say just watch the
Speaker 3: explainer and uh get in. I mean in a perfect world, sure,
Speaker 3: but like not everyone can play through a fifty to
Speaker 3: sixty hour game.
Speaker 2: Will you understand the story if you haven't played the
Speaker 2: first one?
Speaker 1: You're not going to understand a story if you have. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Dan, like I don't.
Speaker 3: Hello's heard we're talking about death stranding.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did you tell him about the rubber pizza? Yeah? Do
Speaker 1: you tell him about the gay mice? Well?
Speaker 3: Well no, the pizza stuff. You know, you learn pizza
Speaker 3: kun do. I helped the man open up his pizza
Speaker 3: chef thing in Australia and he taught me pizza coun do,
Speaker 3: so I can now do like spinning psycho crushers pizza
Speaker 3: dough flying out of me and Whirlwind kicks with pizza
Speaker 3: dough and now the rubber pizza. Yeah, you got to
Speaker 3: like get the balance perfect and you throw a fucking
Speaker 3: pizza at a ghost mech and you're good to go.
Speaker 3: Sounds it's a good video game.
Speaker 1: It sounds I'm excited because, like, just like a review
Speaker 1: that's Stranding one got so death Stranding one. I love
Speaker 1: the like slow ramp up to all the really cool
Speaker 1: shit when like bandits are chasing you and you're using
Speaker 1: all the tools at your disposal and then you're like
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how the fuck to get across
Speaker 1: a ravine and someone left a ladder for you at
Speaker 1: the perfect moment. But like when I was recommending it
Speaker 1: to people, I was like, eh, it's really slow going.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's worth like diving into the
Speaker 1: fact that they get to it more quickly. Now to
Speaker 1: that really cool overlapping system emerging gameplay scenarios is exciting, and.
Speaker 3: He just goes so full Kajima. It's just like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I went to this weapons factory to pick something up
Speaker 3: and oops, Okay, Troy Baker pops up in a red
Speaker 3: coffin from the ground and he's got clown makeup and
Speaker 3: a robot suit and he's quoting talking Heads Lee while
Speaker 3: playing a like weaponized guitar at me that shoots light
Speaker 3: and bolts, and it's yeah.
Speaker 1: There's talking Heads involved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't think it's in the trailers, like same
Speaker 3: as it ever was.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, oh my god. Yeah, I've like purposely not
Speaker 1: watched trailer stuff as much as I can. Ye, my
Speaker 1: favorite fan of all time. I know. I just got
Speaker 1: David Burn tickets for New York on October October tenth
Speaker 1: or something. We're going to see him in some of
Speaker 1: the people he played with for American Utopia. But I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see Troy Baker doing imagine if they
Speaker 1: did the Giant suit dance.
Speaker 3: It just Higgs has this giants. Yeah. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 3: a fucking cool game. I really love it and I'm
Speaker 3: really glad I gave it another shot and that we
Speaker 3: gave it Game of the Year for the Director's cut,
Speaker 3: and we'll do it again for On the Beach this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 3: DEAs Stranding Banansa, Mary, I'll.
Speaker 1: Ask about your games. I'm gonna I want to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit more about Expedition thirty three, even if
Speaker 1: it kills us. The more I play that game, the
Speaker 1: more I'm really liking it a lot, And that game
Speaker 1: starts off extremely The fact that that game starts so
Speaker 1: strong and just keeps getting better generally speaking throughout it
Speaker 1: despite my hang ups, no mini map is still annoying
Speaker 1: despite the lore reason for it. I get it. There
Speaker 1: are still some points where I do think they overwhelm
Speaker 1: you with too many new items to mess around with,
Speaker 1: but I guess I can't complain about that because the
Speaker 1: picto's and the way that those interact with the weapons
Speaker 1: you're getting and the weapon upgrade system. Everything just comes
Speaker 1: together so well in that game, And there are several
Speaker 1: things that have really started to impress me that I appreciate.
Speaker 1: For one, the game is pretty content to let you
Speaker 1: just fly through if you're not interested in talking to
Speaker 1: every town's person and getting the lore dump from them.
Speaker 3: Really okay, however.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like the well that was actually a complain
Speaker 1: of mine the very beginning of the game, when they're
Speaker 1: setting up this thing called the Gomage, which is the
Speaker 1: central conceit to the story that makes it work. If
Speaker 1: you're not talking to everybody on the way to that,
Speaker 1: and they do not make you There are some they're
Speaker 1: like two two main characters they make you talk to,
Speaker 1: but there are a lot of side characters you could
Speaker 1: talk to that would say like, oh, it's the gomage.
Speaker 1: It happens every year. It's always scary, but we've just
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of a fact of life. It's just,
Speaker 1: you know, deaths inevitable. Why freak out if you're gonna
Speaker 1: die at thirty three as opposed to fifty five whatever.
Speaker 1: They don't force you into talking to any of these people, see,
Speaker 1: you can just kind of breeze through it. I get
Speaker 1: a lot out of talking to a few of them,
Speaker 1: much like you would in a Zelda game. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they just told me something that's actually useful about this
Speaker 1: item that I found it's not. And also the they're
Speaker 1: pretty brief most of the time when I talk to
Speaker 1: these people. I appreciate that Sandlands Sandfall, the studio is
Speaker 1: not forcing me to but if I want the lore,
Speaker 1: like I want to learn more about gesturals, these weird
Speaker 1: Kokiri esque woodland creatures than I can. But I also
Speaker 1: do think that the like blend of that dark soul's
Speaker 1: pattern recognition with the turn based tactics. They do really
Speaker 1: cool stuff with that throughout the game. And also, I
Speaker 1: believe I have every character now possible that I can.
Speaker 1: You can only have three in a fight at once,
Speaker 1: but you can have like five. I believe in the
Speaker 1: game there might be one more. I'm not sure I
Speaker 1: have five. Every single character feels like they were pulled
Speaker 1: from a different RPG, like they all they all function
Speaker 1: so differently that it's like you're using a whole new
Speaker 1: combat system with each one. I got the character cl
Speaker 1: she has the scythe and the cards. She's kind of
Speaker 1: like Gambit from X Men. She her system. It took
Speaker 1: me a while to wrap my head around because you're
Speaker 1: trying to gain cards basically, but gaining them will give
Speaker 1: you sun points, but then spending them will give you
Speaker 1: moon points, and you kind of want to keep those
Speaker 1: balanced because then you stay in Twilight, which is when
Speaker 1: she just does like plus fifty percent damage, so you're
Speaker 1: kind of balancing that stuff out as her. But then
Speaker 1: you go back to Mile and she's all about different
Speaker 1: stances like neo or whatever, and Okay, I want to
Speaker 1: be in defensive stance so I can use the thing
Speaker 1: where the sword shoots up out of the ground like
Speaker 1: up their ass, and then that'll bring me back into
Speaker 1: virtuoso stance, where with this particular sword I do plus
Speaker 1: two hundred percent damage. The sword just happens to be
Speaker 1: a katana with like fucking purple laser lights down the middle.
Speaker 1: But then if I go into offensive stance, I can
Speaker 1: do fire damage and then oh right, lun her attacks.
Speaker 1: This ice attack will do more damage if the character's
Speaker 1: already on fire, and then if I hit a flaming
Speaker 1: character with the ice, I'll generate an earth tint, which
Speaker 1: will then make this fire attack more powerful against all
Speaker 1: the enemies. So it's like the way that they synergize
Speaker 1: such vastly different characters is incredibly impressive. That's not even
Speaker 1: to mention the fact that if you are good enough
Speaker 1: at timing the peries, the jumps, the counter attacks, the dodges,
Speaker 1: much like you could ostensibly beat Marget in elden Ring
Speaker 1: with a level one character, if you're that good, you
Speaker 1: can beat a lot of these bosses mini bosses before
Speaker 1: you're technically ready. But much like something like elden Ring,
Speaker 1: the option is there to grind to kind of tailor
Speaker 1: the difficulty to how you want it to be. So
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I guess the more I play Expedition
Speaker 1: thirty three, the more I kind of see like the
Speaker 1: overall picture come into focus, and it impresses me more
Speaker 1: and more. I still don't think it's perfect by any means.
Speaker 1: I really I do think this level design gets a
Speaker 1: bit too complex in a game where there is no
Speaker 1: mini map. And then I also think the game is
Speaker 1: really has problems. What's the word I'm even looking for.
Speaker 1: Like someone a colleague became a narrative designer and they
Speaker 1: were saying like, there's a difference between level design and
Speaker 1: writing and narrative design. Narrative design, at least at the
Speaker 1: studio they were at, was very much about contextualizing your
Speaker 1: mission in a way that made the mission itself feel important.
Speaker 1: Like in Diablo three, the narrative desig at. I don't
Speaker 1: know how Blizzard works, but for instance, using Diablo to three,
Speaker 1: the narrative designer wouldn't be the one right in the dialogue.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't be the one designing the actual area. It'd
Speaker 1: be like, how do we contextualize this mission? Oh, this
Speaker 1: skeleton king lost his skull and we need to go
Speaker 1: get it back and then this thing happens along the way.
Speaker 1: I think Expedition thirty three has problems with that sometimes,
Speaker 1: where even when I'm playing for longer sessions, like if
Speaker 1: I've been playing for three hours, I'll kind of and
Speaker 1: maybe it's just my short term attention span, but I
Speaker 1: don't think it is. Because I've been playing for three
Speaker 1: hours and like synergizing and theory crafting different stuff, I'll
Speaker 1: forget what I was even like what they wanted me
Speaker 1: to do at all, And you can't really check until
Speaker 1: you go out to the overworld. There might be a
Speaker 1: way you can that I have not found in the menus.
Speaker 1: There just is not much narrative info for me to
Speaker 1: reference to remind myself what I'm even supposed to be
Speaker 1: like doing. And that's just kind of exacerbated threefold when
Speaker 1: I come back to the game after a trip away
Speaker 1: in Ireland and I haven't played, so I'm like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck was I? Oh, right, this is kind of
Speaker 1: and then I'm just end up like wandering this gestural
Speaker 1: village or whatever, trying to find the one character that
Speaker 1: will point me in the direction because there's no real
Speaker 1: like logbook that I've found. But yeah, I like that
Speaker 1: game quite a bit. It's one of my favorite games
Speaker 1: of the year so far. If you're into turn based
Speaker 1: games you haven't tried it, definitely do it. But if
Speaker 1: you're not into turn based games, see if those real
Speaker 1: time elements kind of do it for you enough that
Speaker 1: you could get into the turn based aspects, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. Just similar to the way Damna was talking
Speaker 1: about Destraainting two and different biomes in the world's like
Speaker 1: Expedition thirty three has such creative world design, like you're
Speaker 1: in this like you're in a coral reef, but it's
Speaker 1: not underwater.
Speaker 4: The underwater world is really cool because you're not swimming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the stone Stone Wave cliffs basically look
Speaker 1: like the Cliffs of More in Ireland, which is probably
Speaker 1: why they like It's funny. I played those before I
Speaker 1: went to Ireland. Just like Super High cliff Sides, there's
Speaker 1: like Ferris Wheels destroyed Ferris Wheels down below you from
Speaker 1: amusement parks and stuff. Really really inventive game. Like I'm
Speaker 1: so glad it's done so well because like that is
Speaker 1: a studio I want to keep working and getting paid
Speaker 1: and doing their thing.
Speaker 3: It's definitely. It's definitely something that I intend on getting it,
Speaker 3: Like as soon as there's a little I'm gonna check
Speaker 3: this out because I feel like this is the RPG
Speaker 3: I could get into, like the turn based ARPG I
Speaker 3: can get into based on here, what I've seen, bank play,
Speaker 3: what I've seen everyone whose tastes their respect says, it
Speaker 3: seems like it's something very very special and I'm really
Speaker 3: looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: I think you'll appreciate it. Like right from the bat,
Speaker 1: they've got this huge fucking premise they really need to
Speaker 1: get across. They're not forcing you to talk to everybody
Speaker 1: who was like, oh man, the gomage is about to happen.
Speaker 1: Here's what it is. Even though I know you know,
Speaker 1: but let's talk about it. It's like no, like you
Speaker 1: could rush through a bunch of past a bunch of characters,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, like this giant in the
Speaker 1: distance paints a new number on this huge like like
Speaker 1: plank and then all of a sudden, a bunch of
Speaker 1: people disappear, like WHOA, I should have talked to those people.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're not forcing you. Every once in a while,
Speaker 1: like it'll it'll fade, the screen will zoom out to
Speaker 1: a cut scene when you go into a new area.
Speaker 1: And but that's kind of the extent of it. And
Speaker 1: the game's getting funny, not like not super laugh out
Speaker 1: loud funny, but I have snickered a few times. There's
Speaker 1: a couple of the character Eska Mary, have you gotten
Speaker 1: an Ska yet? Yes? Him and his I did laugh
Speaker 1: fairly hard because this game is also extremely French. But Ska,
Speaker 1: who sounds like Javier Bardem, is like talking about He's like,
Speaker 1: I need this, I need this. It's a very co
Speaker 1: gema ask. He's like, I need I have a bunch
Speaker 1: of different pet rocks, and I can't do this without that.
Speaker 1: I can't fly without this pet rock. I can't swim
Speaker 1: you to the paintress without this one. He's like, I'm
Speaker 1: missing Flory, my pet rock that lets me swim. You
Speaker 1: know who's taking it, The man who lives over there
Speaker 1: in that cave, my arch nemesis, Francois. Then you go
Speaker 1: and you have to go fight Francois needs this turtle
Speaker 1: who shirts shoots fucking ice laser beams. Okay, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: really dumb. Uh. Yeah, I don't know the game. It's
Speaker 1: just funny that the way when you're talking about dest
Speaker 1: Raining too is like you could be describing some like
Speaker 1: some sections in an Expedition thirty three obviously very very
Speaker 1: different kinds of games, but I don't know. It feels
Speaker 1: like the developers at a certain point were like, we've
Speaker 1: kind of created a world in which anything goes, so
Speaker 1: why not just do anything? And it works really well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like that game a lot. That's that's my main
Speaker 1: focus now. I kind of want to finish that because
Speaker 1: I've heard it's.
Speaker 2: Not close you think, I think further do you have
Speaker 2: to go?
Speaker 4: I feel like when you have all the characters, you
Speaker 4: have to be pretty close.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My save file says twenty three hours, so I've
Speaker 1: heard people say they beat it in like thirty which
Speaker 1: like was was also another reason for me to dive in.
Speaker 1: I'm like, a fucking Turn Basis RPG I could beat
Speaker 1: in thirty hours, that's hell, yeah, let's do it. So
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to finish that before I truly
Speaker 1: just absorb myself in Stranding, because I don't want to
Speaker 1: like sell either game short by not devoting myself to it.
Speaker 3: Same and I can definitely tell that Expedition thirty three
Speaker 3: is going to be talked about a lot on both
Speaker 3: here and Giant Bombs Game of the Year, so I'm
Speaker 3: going to need to need to play it, Yeah.
Speaker 1: If only just to like at least have some like
Speaker 1: context for why another game is doing something X or
Speaker 1: why better than that? Yeah, it's I I think it
Speaker 1: might grab you in a way, a way that like
Speaker 1: even I was like, no, Dan, you wouldn't like metaphor,
Speaker 1: But like, I think this has a better chance at least.
Speaker 1: I'm curious what you think. Mary, you played more? Uh
Speaker 1: what was the name of the game, Pistilo. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you both played it, but Mary you played more.
Speaker 3: Mary's played.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm really liking it. I think I'm almost I'm
Speaker 4: getting there. My plan is to complete Pipistrello. I've decided
Speaker 4: it actually is quite good.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: Some of this is within the constraints that I've been
Speaker 4: traveling so much. I've been playing it on Steam Deck
Speaker 4: on the plane, and it's just such a great plane game.
Speaker 2: It's very easy to pick up.
Speaker 4: You can go anywhere you want, but there's like certain
Speaker 4: directions you need to go in order to like get
Speaker 4: certain things accomplished. I mean, I really enjoyed the second
Speaker 4: boss area.
Speaker 2: You like go into.
Speaker 4: A construction site and you have to get all the
Speaker 4: proper documentation.
Speaker 2: They're like, you don't, Mikey, you don't have your documentation.
Speaker 1: Where are you?
Speaker 4: So you're like getting your documentations that you can go
Speaker 4: down to this layer. I'm getting the coolest upgrades to
Speaker 4: my yo yo. It is like they are puzzles, dude.
Speaker 4: Like it is getting to the point now where I
Speaker 4: am walking across water. I am able to jump backwards
Speaker 4: over three blocks based on things that I've learned in
Speaker 4: a crude over the time, So all this stuff that
Speaker 4: I previously was like, oh my gosh, that's an upgrade,
Speaker 4: but I can't get to it because it's past water
Speaker 4: or it's like past this like cavernous area I can
Speaker 4: get past. I can do it now, and it's really cool,
Speaker 4: just like in any Metroidvania, being able to go back
Speaker 4: and get all the upgrades and all the bonuses because
Speaker 4: my character is so mobile now, I'm so strong and
Speaker 4: I've been doing all these upgrades. The upgrade system for
Speaker 4: anyone who missed the last time we talked about this game,
Speaker 4: Pistrella has this I think, really cool upgrade system.
Speaker 2: Where you essentially borrow an upgrade.
Speaker 4: Let's say the upgrade is that your yoyo attack is
Speaker 4: stronger now, but it costs one thousand dollars. Until you
Speaker 4: pay off your debt, you have one less attack power.
Speaker 2: And every dollar you accrue is split in half.
Speaker 4: Half of it goes to your bank where you just
Speaker 4: get to have it to spend, and the other half
Speaker 4: goes to paying off your debt. Once you pay off
Speaker 4: your debt, all of the negative effects are gone and
Speaker 4: you get to keep your positive benefit forever. I've got
Speaker 4: like twelve positive benefits right now.
Speaker 3: And it feels great too, because like when you're getting
Speaker 3: your coins and stuff after your defeat enemies, it's like
Speaker 3: it's not like a undred percent is going towards paying
Speaker 3: off dead Like okay, I'm increasing my wallet, but I'm
Speaker 3: also paying this off, and as soon as it's paid off,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, hell, yeah, now I got the thing.
Speaker 3: No downside, this is great.
Speaker 2: There's no downside. I mean it's really fun. I've also been.
Speaker 4: Buying uh so you can find badges and you can
Speaker 4: also find blueprints. I find this a bit silly that
Speaker 4: you can't just find badges but essentially take the blueprints
Speaker 4: back to a person and they turn it into a badge.
Speaker 4: Badge system is very similar to Hollow Night. You essentially
Speaker 4: have a certain amount of pins that you can assign,
Speaker 4: but you can pay to have a badge have its
Speaker 4: amounts reduced, and which I do for every one of
Speaker 4: my badges because it's a benefit, it's a boon.
Speaker 3: And you can increase like the amount of your pips too, right,
Speaker 3: like you're overall Like, yeah.
Speaker 4: Those are also found in the world. They're also upgrades,
Speaker 4: as is the amount of hearts that you have. You
Speaker 4: have to find heart containers. If you find eight heart containers,
Speaker 4: which I find such an obscure like random number, you
Speaker 4: get a permanent heart added. Same thing with your little
Speaker 4: badge pins. You can find them in the world. I
Speaker 4: think for every two badge pins you find, you increase
Speaker 4: the amount of badges you can have, and it's it
Speaker 4: just is really rewarding. I'm so much stronger than the
Speaker 4: last time I talked to you about this game, like
Speaker 4: I've I've accomplished so much in this game. I still
Speaker 4: find the world very whimsical and light and funny and cheeky,
Speaker 4: and the side characters say the funniest, stupidest things, Like
Speaker 4: I really have enjoyed going to the different areas and
Speaker 4: I talk to all the side characters and hear all
Speaker 4: their dumb dialogue.
Speaker 2: It's it's cheeky and funny.
Speaker 4: I actually think a lot of heart went into this game,
Speaker 4: and I think it's quite good, especially for like an
Speaker 4: indie ass indie game. I think they I think they
Speaker 4: nailed it. So I'm I'm just loving Pipastrello.
Speaker 3: It's really good. I can tell I like it enough
Speaker 3: after playing like two or three hours on scheme that
Speaker 3: I'm mainly traveling with my switch to now, so I
Speaker 3: got a code for the switch one. It's like, all right,
Speaker 3: well I'll start over. I'm like enjoying the moment to
Speaker 3: moment enough on this that Yeah, it's kind of become
Speaker 3: a playing game for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to me, this is like one I'll be playing
Speaker 4: until I complete it.
Speaker 2: This is a completer for me. But again, I do
Speaker 2: think that it is.
Speaker 4: There is a part of me that would have played
Speaker 4: Expedition thirty three if it wasn't for how much travel
Speaker 4: I've been doing. I'm actually not sure if I could
Speaker 4: play Expedition thirty three on a steam Deck.
Speaker 2: If I could, I probably would.
Speaker 3: I've heard it's not great. I was talking to people
Speaker 3: that were doing that, and it's like, I guess the
Speaker 3: like input lag type stuff is a problem for the
Speaker 3: perrying and all that.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, you don't game steam Deck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that Perry's punishing to begin with the window.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it's brutal and you will literally die if
Speaker 4: you cannot dodge properly in that game, like you'd been
Speaker 4: doing the same boss fights like one hundred times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. But also today there was a fucking
Speaker 1: I like, I perfectly created this party in which like
Speaker 1: I waited on purpose, I skipped a turn on purpose
Speaker 1: to try to kill a character with a counter attack
Speaker 1: because my counter attack did more damage to burning characters
Speaker 1: and then also her ice sword, her ice sythe did
Speaker 1: more damage to uh what was it marked characters and
Speaker 1: I had just marked it with another counter attack and
Speaker 1: then it fucking did like the entire health bar. It's
Speaker 1: really good anyway, Sorry, I want to h those.
Speaker 2: Little caveats and you get to like kill a bom.
Speaker 1: It was like, it was like, what do you want
Speaker 1: to call it? Fucking uh our game of the year
Speaker 1: last year? Why am I the name in miniature in
Speaker 1: a turn based games like oh man, they let me
Speaker 1: break it. One other detail I forgot to mention, they
Speaker 1: warn you there's an option in the menu or in
Speaker 1: the menu at the beginning of the game or on
Speaker 1: the character man either like just so you know, you
Speaker 1: can toggle off, you can keep, you can toggle it
Speaker 1: to default costumes and cut scenes, or you can use
Speaker 1: whatever costume they have attached. But there may just be
Speaker 1: unintended tonal shifts. So there's one where they run into
Speaker 1: someone like I don't want to spoil too much, but
Speaker 1: like basically several different parties thought the other one was dead,
Speaker 1: and finally they meet up and it's this really like
Speaker 1: emotional reunion because this one woman like thought she was
Speaker 1: the last one alive and final she's she's like reuniting
Speaker 1: with with Gustave and whatnot, the protagonists, and then everybody's like,
Speaker 1: we need to we really need to get going, and
Speaker 1: then they just they can't like bring themselves to move on,
Speaker 1: even though they know they need to, because it's like
Speaker 1: the weight of its hitting them. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Luna comes out from off screen with a baguette slung
Speaker 1: over her shoulder, and red rim sunglasses. She's like, guys,
Speaker 1: we need to go, and then I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's what they were talking about. It's really good.
Speaker 3: I extremely have that in Destrainting too as well, because
Speaker 3: it's like I'm wearing like Elton John starglasses and Norman
Speaker 3: Rita's and like a giant camel hat that has like
Speaker 3: bladders of water so in the desert, I don't overheat.
Speaker 3: It's like someone's like delivering a baby and screaming, and
Speaker 3: Norman Rita's and his camel hats there.
Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing.
Speaker 4: I feel like in that game there's like so much
Speaker 4: separation of reality that you just allow it.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of just like crying four so funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like it's so earnest with the weirdness that
Speaker 3: it's like here's this extremely earnest scene with like crying
Speaker 3: and babies and peril and stuff, and here's Norman Renis
Speaker 3: wearing a camel and it's like, Okay, sure.
Speaker 1: Day, you said you're traveling with your switch. Are you
Speaker 1: still playing a lot of World Tour Mario?
Speaker 3: I am, and yeah, I had the big family test
Speaker 3: this weekend with the local multiplayer and everything because that's
Speaker 3: always the thing with Mario Karts, like that is the
Speaker 3: great uniter of you know, casual gamers and hardcore gamers, like, okay,
Speaker 3: everyone can get together and place some Mario card And
Speaker 3: did that with several groups of people while I was home,
Speaker 3: and resounding success. People absolutely loved it. It's a great time.
Speaker 3: The camera thing. Everyone finds the camera thing fun when
Speaker 3: you can see everyone's head above their cards and everything.
Speaker 3: I found the Knockout Tour is very very popular. Everybody
Speaker 3: I showed it to that doesn't really keep up with
Speaker 3: the game and it was just like, oh shit, that's
Speaker 3: a really cool idea. But yeah, it's like I feel
Speaker 3: like people that have played a million of these games
Speaker 3: and podcasts and stuff about it, like there have been
Speaker 3: complaints about Mario Kart being underwhelming or whatever. I have
Speaker 3: not felt that, and certainly the people that just occasionally
Speaker 3: play a Mario Kard game have all been like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is awesome, Like we just had a great, great time,
Speaker 3: like at the lake, hooking up a switch at night,
Speaker 3: having some beers and playing. It's great for that, and
Speaker 3: Knockout Tour is a blast. There was one night I
Speaker 3: was just hanging out with Kayla and everybody had gone
Speaker 3: to bed and we were just like each had our
Speaker 3: switch to is out, and we told my discord like, hey,
Speaker 3: here's the room code. Just a bunch of people jumped in.
Speaker 3: We weren't streaming or anything. We were just playing, and
Speaker 3: like in between races we'd talked shit and the discord
Speaker 3: and stuff, and it was just like, man, we played
Speaker 3: for like four hours or something and just had an
Speaker 3: absolute blash. Me and Kayles sitting on the couch playing
Speaker 3: this game, and like, it's a good fucking Mario Kart.
Speaker 3: I do love the Switch too. I understand that it's
Speaker 3: not like the most loaded launch lineup or anything like that,
Speaker 3: but Mario Kart's great loving it, and you know, Donkey
Speaker 3: Kong's right around the corner. I'm certainly pleased with the
Speaker 3: Switch too.
Speaker 4: There will be more Switch games that I am not
Speaker 4: worried about. I think like you're an early adopter, and
Speaker 4: because you are such a fan of Mario Kart, I
Speaker 4: think it makes a lot of sense for you. I
Speaker 4: also think it's completely reasonable for other people to hold
Speaker 4: off until sure there's more games, But I think for you,
Speaker 4: your truth is is that it's totally acceptable reason to
Speaker 4: get it now.
Speaker 3: Oh, anyone who's saying, like, I don't want to spend
Speaker 3: five hundred if you get the bundle with tax, it's
Speaker 3: like five hundred and fifty dollars for Switch to and
Speaker 3: Mario Kart. And it's like if someone's like, I like
Speaker 3: Mario Kart, fine, but I would all wait a little
Speaker 3: bit before I spend five hundred and fifty dollars. Yes,
Speaker 3: obviously completely understand that. But for me, I really love
Speaker 3: Mario Kart and I just don't see it as a
Speaker 3: disappointed Like I've heard people describe it as a disappointing
Speaker 3: launch game, and I see it as like kind of
Speaker 3: a killer app, like if you love Mario Kart and
Speaker 3: you've got the money to spend, Like, certainly not disappointed
Speaker 3: with this.
Speaker 2: They launched the first Switch with a Zelda or.
Speaker 3: My crazy first Switch launch with Breath of the Wild,
Speaker 3: which is insane, and it was also released on we
Speaker 3: You at the same.
Speaker 4: Time comparatively, and you know, that's maybe where some of
Speaker 4: that disappointments coming from, because if you weren't playing Breath
Speaker 4: of the Wild when that came out, you were fucking
Speaker 4: absolutely missing out on the best game ever.
Speaker 2: And that's just not the case this time.
Speaker 3: As much as I love Mario Kart World, it does
Speaker 3: not remotely compare to just the crater that that Breath
Speaker 3: the Wild left, like that was an industry changing game.
Speaker 2: Year, game of all time.
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, it's probably like the best game ever.
Speaker 3: So like in the first year of the original Switch,
Speaker 3: we had Breath of the Wild Mario Kart eight Deluxe,
Speaker 3: which was just a better version of Mario Kart ninety
Speaker 3: six tracks, which is no, no, no, It took time
Speaker 3: for a deluxe round, gotcha. They added that later with
Speaker 3: the Switch Online expansion pack thing, But then Mario w
Speaker 3: Otis was that year two, So twenty seventeen it was
Speaker 3: like Breath the Wild, Switch Mario Ottissey, Mario Kart A Deluxe.
Speaker 3: It was just unreal, Like best launch yer maybe ever
Speaker 3: for a console. So by no means is the Switch
Speaker 3: to meeting that not by long shot? I mean, I
Speaker 3: guess we still have the rest of the year. Donkey
Speaker 3: Kong is great. Who knows what's for the holiday Metroid.
Speaker 3: It looks like a really solid year. But like Switch
Speaker 3: one's first year was legendary, so don't mean to put
Speaker 3: it on that pedestal, but mariok Art World's really fucking fun.
Speaker 2: I got one last one for you.
Speaker 1: Is it a fishing game?
Speaker 2: It is a fishing game.
Speaker 1: Is it cozy?
Speaker 2: It's cozy. It's called cast in Chill. Look it up.
Speaker 2: It is stunning, stunningly gorgeous.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, graphic style.
Speaker 3: I was wondering if it was in chill like toys
Speaker 3: r Us and it is a lowercase end.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it is so.
Speaker 1: Like da.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think Dave the Diver is like for going on.
Speaker 2: This is simple.
Speaker 1: The reflection on the water is crazy looking for ape it.
Speaker 2: And they do a good job with adding no I.
Speaker 1: Mean sorry, I'm being reductive like pixelated art style.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, they.
Speaker 4: Do a good job with adding a lot of nature elements.
Speaker 4: So while you're fishing on this river.
Speaker 1: Damn, that's really good booking.
Speaker 4: Ducks will swim or fly by. Sometimes there's deer in
Speaker 4: the forest. There's lots of like little secrets that make
Speaker 4: you feel like you're in a living, breathing world. But
Speaker 4: you essentially fish, and as you fish, you sell your fish.
Speaker 4: For the very beginning, you're selling your fish for like
Speaker 4: five dollars a fish, and you use the money to
Speaker 4: upgrade everything your rod, your line, your lores, the strength
Speaker 4: which you need for bigger fish deeper in the lake,
Speaker 4: and then eventually your boat, how many fish you can
Speaker 4: carry back, and ultimately different lakes that you can swim
Speaker 4: in different environments. Yeah, it's it's but it's so cozy.
Speaker 4: It's like not scary at all. You cast with A,
Speaker 4: it's very simple, and you reel with A. You can
Speaker 4: redrop your line if you need to, but ultimately, like
Speaker 4: I'm basically just throwing my line in and like hoping
Speaker 4: a fish grabs it. There's some minor games with the fish.
Speaker 4: If they're really strong, they can actually pull away and
Speaker 4: break your lines. You have to be careful with like
Speaker 4: how quickly you reel them in. But I mean, like,
Speaker 4: you guys, this is like, this is such a sleepy, calm,
Speaker 4: zen relaxing game. I bought this because I was working.
Speaker 4: I was so like, you know, it's stressful working in
Speaker 4: another country. I don't fucking speak French. I wanted a
Speaker 4: game that allowed me to unwind after a long work
Speaker 4: day and fall asleep, and that is exactly what this is.
Speaker 2: I fell asleep playing this game in a good way,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is it.
Speaker 3: What do you in a level of like fishing complexity, how
Speaker 3: would you compare it to like the stardew system.
Speaker 4: Right, I mean Starduo has that mini game of like
Speaker 4: making sure that you can keep it within that bar.
Speaker 4: That doesn't have any of this stuff. It is just
Speaker 4: simply like the fish is pulling, pull back. If it
Speaker 4: pulls too hard, you can break your lines. You need
Speaker 4: to let it go sometimes and then.
Speaker 2: Bring it in. There's no mini game, there's no bar.
Speaker 4: It's just reel in the fish as best as you can,
Speaker 4: and again when you lose the fish, you just fucking
Speaker 4: cast again. Like it's super casual. It does have a
Speaker 4: what do you call it a dossier? It has like
Speaker 4: a book of every fish you've ever caught. So when
Speaker 4: you catch a new type of fish, when you break
Speaker 4: a record for your biggest fish ever, you get like
Speaker 4: a little star being like you broke your record.
Speaker 2: You know this one's a fourteen bounder. That's crazy.
Speaker 4: So you're like, it's really calm, you guys. This is
Speaker 4: like probably one of the chillest games.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 4: Also, I just have to mention your boat has a
Speaker 4: dog in it, and every time you successfully catch a fish,
Speaker 4: he gives you a little heart because he loves you
Speaker 4: and you're so good at catching fish.
Speaker 3: The picture I pulled up it does like you can
Speaker 3: pet the dog with the mouse cursor.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's it's so sweet, you guys. It's it's just
Speaker 4: a relaxing fishing game. There's no muss, there's no fuss,
Speaker 4: there's no friendship system, there's no.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: Their dialogue between you and the fishermen is so simple.
Speaker 4: If you come back with really small fish, he's like.
Speaker 2: What did you go? What'd you do?
Speaker 4: Go to a guppy farm and you're like, shut the
Speaker 4: fuck up, you old bitch, and then you like buy
Speaker 4: better lures.
Speaker 2: You get like.
Speaker 4: Big ass bass fishes and the guys like what what
Speaker 4: a haul?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: That's it?
Speaker 4: Like, this is a very simple game that does it
Speaker 4: quite well if you're open to beautiful style, like pixel
Speaker 4: style graphics like this. I mean, this is expertly crafted
Speaker 4: and just cordial design. It's it's stunning, very simple cozy
Speaker 4: fish game.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 3: I love a good fishing game like whether it's it's
Speaker 3: simple arcadie stuff for more like a like you know,
Speaker 3: dedicated fishing controls. I should check this out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's so sweet, and it's well done,
Speaker 4: and I don't think it's getting a lot of I
Speaker 4: don't feel like people are going to talk about this game,
Speaker 4: so I'm glad.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 4: I do think it's quite good, so I'm glad. I
Speaker 4: hope somebody grabs it from this cool.
Speaker 1: All right, do you guys want to do emails? Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right? As usual, you can write into firecapcast at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com to questions for our show. We got
Speaker 1: a bunch since last time. Keep them coming. It helps
Speaker 1: us keep it stocked, so we have the pigot the
Speaker 1: letter to choose from every time we get in. I
Speaker 1: do have one really quick favor I need to ask people.
Speaker 1: There's been a couple episodes over the last ten or
Speaker 1: so where I've mentioned this game, and it's fucking eluding me.
Speaker 1: It's like a white whale of a game. And I
Speaker 1: have several things I could tell you. I can't. I
Speaker 1: don't even know how to search for it. I cannot
Speaker 1: find this game that I played and really liked. All
Speaker 1: I knew. I want to say it was twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, we'll get twenty. I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: All I know is it was very colorful. It was
Speaker 1: either a metroid Vania or like a two true action game.
Speaker 1: But the main thing was you're you're recruiting this big,
Speaker 1: like fairly large squad of characters and it's not cute,
Speaker 1: but it's like color.
Speaker 3: Not wild bastards.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no way. Wait. Yeah, And the thing was
Speaker 1: you could basically have four four characters equipped, and from
Speaker 1: what I remember, you have like you hold a trigger
Speaker 1: and you press a DP pad direction and it would
Speaker 1: swap you to that character really quick.
Speaker 3: What's the perspective two two D side like isometric top
Speaker 3: side scrolling.
Speaker 1: And I can't I don't think it was a Metrodvana.
Speaker 1: I might have had Metroidvania light aspects.
Speaker 3: But like Beat Them Up is just like a streets Rade.
Speaker 1: It was like an action oriented game. Yeah, because each
Speaker 1: character you equip again and you're developing a big roster
Speaker 1: of characters. You're just traveling across this world.
Speaker 3: Nobody saves the world. No that I would know that
Speaker 3: that was top down, but it was top down. But yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: this was before that. That was like two years ago.
Speaker 3: I want to say this was four or five.
Speaker 1: I don't I remember.
Speaker 3: We're doing the show, were we doing this.
Speaker 1: It might have even been right before we did the show,
Speaker 1: so it was like it could have been twenty.
Speaker 3: Twenty early pandemic.
Speaker 1: It was twenty nineteen or twenty twenty or twenty one.
Speaker 1: I know because I had just moved.
Speaker 3: Back to the are you counching? Are you shooting?
Speaker 1: Melee? A lot of melee. I want to say. There
Speaker 1: was one character who had kind of this like the
Speaker 1: conical hat.
Speaker 3: Blasphemous. No, no it was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't dark. It was like a bright game, even
Speaker 1: though it's pretty like fairly violent. I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to search for it. I remember really liking it,
Speaker 1: and I remember not loving the name. But I played
Speaker 1: through the whole thing though, and I don't remember the
Speaker 1: last time someone's talked about it. And I've looked through
Speaker 1: all my libraries on Steam PlayStation. I think I played
Speaker 1: it on, so it might be somewhere on Steam. I
Speaker 1: just need to go through the fine tooth.
Speaker 3: Comb Mainly, is it like a combos? Are you juggling
Speaker 3: juggling combos?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, not quite beat them up, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty action heavy, but you're going across this really
Speaker 1: colorful world, so you're not you know, it's not like
Speaker 1: super confined.
Speaker 3: Is there an map like overworld map or is it
Speaker 3: just like I think so stage to stage.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think you're doing a bit of backtracking,
Speaker 1: and I just remember, like you have four characters in
Speaker 1: your party basically, but you're like swapping between them on
Speaker 1: the map to fight, and I remember you could do
Speaker 1: it at the press of a deep head, and like
Speaker 1: if that if anybody, no, no, no, no, it wasn't like humor,
Speaker 1: humor or no sorry, tonally, it was like it even
Speaker 1: reminds me of the tone that the League of Legend
Speaker 1: like Saga games are going for those like one off
Speaker 1: games that people are making. If if that's not enough,
Speaker 1: I don't know that I'll ever find it. I'll just
Speaker 1: need to go through my steam, like.
Speaker 3: I'll think about it, and like, now that we put
Speaker 3: it out there, I'm sure somebody will.
Speaker 1: I played it and I don't even remember the name,
Speaker 1: so clearly the name was forgettable. Anyway, if that helps them,
Speaker 1: please email fireskap Pass at gmail dot com. It's been
Speaker 1: killing me and I want to have more Ragnarok. That's it, Okay,
Speaker 1: never mind, I don't need the emails, all right, Dan
Speaker 1: Mary usually reads first, but this one specifically for you
Speaker 1: from Tim all.
Speaker 3: Right, Hi, this is for Dan. I first tried middle
Speaker 3: Gear Solid from a demo disc back in the PS
Speaker 3: one era, was the Pizza Hut one. Because that's when
Speaker 3: I played it, I thought it.
Speaker 1: Was super boring.
Speaker 3: I never even finished the demo. I haven't played a
Speaker 3: minute of a Kajema game since then. I figured I
Speaker 3: should at least give it a second try twenty five
Speaker 3: years later. I know there are a few collections and
Speaker 3: remasters out there. If somebody was picking the middle Gear
Speaker 3: Solid games up for the first time, what consoles or
Speaker 3: versions would you tell them to get. I have everything,
Speaker 3: including a high ENDPC. Thanks Tim from Baldwin. Oh, I
Speaker 3: think this is easy. I think you know. If you
Speaker 3: have everything including a high NPC, I say the Steam
Speaker 3: version of the Master Collection Volume one, because that actually
Speaker 3: all that plays very well on the Steam deck as well.
Speaker 3: That should have kind of that PS one version of
Speaker 3: Middle Year Solid. It should have. I don't know if
Speaker 3: it's the substance version of MGS two, but it shouldn't matter.
Speaker 3: The important thing with three is that is the subsistence
Speaker 3: version with the camera, which I believe the Master Collection
Speaker 3: Volume one has uh, and then you'll have to figure
Speaker 3: out how to play four, which that's a whole different thing.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know if you have a well, if
Speaker 3: you have everything, you have a PS three playing down there,
Speaker 3: there's other you know, ways, funky ways you can play
Speaker 3: Metal your Solid four. But I just think get Master
Speaker 3: Collection Metal Your Solid volume one on Steam and download
Speaker 3: it to your high end PC and your Steam deck,
Speaker 3: and you should be set. I think they did a
Speaker 3: pretty good job with that.
Speaker 1: That's bluepoint, right, was it.
Speaker 3: I think it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's about right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I have that still someone They've done
Speaker 3: a few of those, the HG collections and stuff back
Speaker 3: in the day and everything. But I think, you know,
Speaker 3: just go ahead and get that one on Steam. Cool.
Speaker 3: Thank you, j I love hearing people's thought. Please email
Speaker 3: back Tim, because like anyone playing Metal Gear Solid for
Speaker 3: the first time now I heard everything, Like I hear
Speaker 3: more people say like, oh, it's actually still really fucking cool.
Speaker 3: Like obviously some like controls and things like that are
Speaker 3: a little dated, but like people tend to still really
Speaker 3: like Blaneham as old as they are.
Speaker 1: Tonally, and just like vibe wise, I think it's still
Speaker 1: it still hits really well, Yeah, I'd be curious as well.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Tim uh Mary? Do you want to read
Speaker 1: this one from Doc Sure?
Speaker 4: Greetings everyone. Dan's story about the seven to eleven got
Speaker 4: me thinking. I was in New Orleans for my wife's
Speaker 4: b day two years ago with her friends. We were
Speaker 4: out with a big group of people, drinking, eating, having fun.
Speaker 2: We live near Nola.
Speaker 4: At the end of the night, I ended up at
Speaker 4: the casino with a friend of mine. As the night ended,
Speaker 4: we left the casino and I cracked a joke about
Speaker 4: my friends coworker looking like Greek Jesus. Apparently he didn't
Speaker 4: like this joke and pulled a knife out and held.
Speaker 2: It to my neck.
Speaker 4: My god, my buddy pulled him off of me and
Speaker 4: I pieced out instantly. First and last time I will
Speaker 4: hang out with someone I suspect of.
Speaker 2: Using coke as well.
Speaker 4: Anyway, have you all ever had your death experience or
Speaker 4: times you did a hard retrospective on your life after
Speaker 4: a major thing happened to you?
Speaker 2: Doc Hensla, Well, first, what was the seven eleven story?
Speaker 1: I don't remember that you were coming back from a
Speaker 1: seven to eleven in LA and the homeless person.
Speaker 3: Oh, the recent one. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, okay, seeah.
Speaker 4: It could be like any of your seven eleven stories
Speaker 4: where you like choked on a hot dog or something like.
Speaker 3: No, the closest eleven.
Speaker 1: The closest to near death experiences I've had are when
Speaker 1: like I see that I'm about to break a bone
Speaker 1: in real time and time kind of slows down. That's
Speaker 1: happened several times. I also took a ninety eight mile
Speaker 1: an hour shot in lacrosse to my lower back that
Speaker 1: ruptured the muscles down and fractured my tailbones.
Speaker 3: Were you telling me about that? That sounded very bad?
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't think I was gonna die. But
Speaker 1: the pain from my tailbum being fractured for the next
Speaker 1: two weeks, the spasms going up my bad. I won't
Speaker 1: get too graphic. That made me, honestly that I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I re examined my whole life, like I don't care
Speaker 1: Aboutlacross is my I thought, I did, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: figure things out. Oh what wait a minute, I can
Speaker 1: get I can make fifty dollars to review a video game,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, the rest is history. That is that.
Speaker 3: That is something that I think is probably I can't
Speaker 3: speak for all sports, but like knowing wrestlers and stuff,
Speaker 3: I know, like you know big ee who this guy
Speaker 3: who broke his neck on national TV and like talking
Speaker 3: to him about it and stuff. It's just like yeah,
Speaker 3: like something like that, like a serious, serious injury will
Speaker 3: make you reconsider everything for sure, and for good reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been as I also like went over this
Speaker 1: dirt ramp we made on my like BMX bike when
Speaker 1: I was twelve, and I as I was coming off,
Speaker 1: I knew right away I was getting way too much air,
Speaker 1: like I was getting actual air, and I did not
Speaker 1: know how at all to deal with it. Like I'm
Speaker 1: not fucking Matt. What was his name? What was the
Speaker 1: BMX the famous one, Matt Kaufman. I'm like, I'm not Matt.
Speaker 1: I said that out loud in mid air to my friends,
Speaker 1: like I'm not Matt. No, I didn't, but like I
Speaker 1: fell off my bike and I was like sixteen feet
Speaker 1: in the air. I might I don't know, I might
Speaker 1: be over so I might be under selling it, but
Speaker 1: I knew as I was falling. I consciously it was like, well,
Speaker 1: I know I should technically kind of rag doll right
Speaker 1: now because I stand more of a chance to not
Speaker 1: break anything, and I still broke some stuff, But like
Speaker 1: I there was a flash where I was like I
Speaker 1: might die if I land on my bike the wrong way,
Speaker 1: and I was also going downhill after the ramp. It
Speaker 1: was a terrible situation that we created for ourselves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all like I've been in a couple of minor
Speaker 1: car accidents. Those weren't that they weren't scary accidents. It
Speaker 1: was more like snow involved stuff.
Speaker 3: That's a recurring dream I have, is like there's something
Speaker 3: that's like a bike or a something where it's like
Speaker 3: I ramp off of something and I'm so high in
Speaker 3: the air or I have enough time to think like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm fucked. I'm just I'm gonna have
Speaker 3: to land here in like ten seconds. I'm super gonna die.
Speaker 3: Yeah to metaphor, I feel like the time I most
Speaker 3: thought I was going to die was when my friend
Speaker 3: was breaking into my place at the knife, which I've
Speaker 3: surely told that sorry before seemed like I was definitely
Speaker 3: going to get stabbed to death for that, and question
Speaker 3: saying do you ever do a hard retrospective and changed
Speaker 3: things afterwards? H no, we kept one of the bars
Speaker 3: after that, So yeah, that was probably the closest to death.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: If I've ever had it close to death. I think
Speaker 4: the closest is like, and this isn't very close. On
Speaker 4: the way home from I think my first Japan trip.
Speaker 4: We had such crazy turbulence on that flight that I
Speaker 4: actually got out my phone app and like wrote some
Speaker 4: drafts of like really it was so fucking bad, and
Speaker 4: like the guy was like even on the on the
Speaker 4: uh speaker, he was like just you guys know, like
Speaker 4: this is normal, nothing out of the ordinary. He was
Speaker 4: trying to reassure us that it was fine, but it
Speaker 4: was just so dippy. I'm talking about where the plane
Speaker 4: yea dips and you kind of feel your stomach and
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 2: It happened all the time, like consistently through the.
Speaker 3: Flight, and.
Speaker 1: Yes, Francisco, it was hours.
Speaker 4: It was hours of like extreme where it got to
Speaker 4: the point where I was like writing notes to people,
Speaker 4: simple notes, not like you know, not like full retrospectives,
Speaker 4: but just like Mom, I love you so much, like
Speaker 4: I think about you all the time. I was like
Speaker 4: literally like telling people I loved them because it was
Speaker 4: freaking me out. That's like it was psychologically fucking with
Speaker 4: me after hours of turbulence.
Speaker 2: I think that's the closest.
Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever had someone pull a knife
Speaker 4: on me, and I've never like almost died by doing anything.
Speaker 2: The closest is like.
Speaker 4: I I was a gymnast for many years, you know,
Speaker 4: and one time I undercut a pass, like a tumbling pass,
Speaker 4: and when I hit I like basically popped like both
Speaker 4: of my ankles at the same time. That was very
Speaker 4: severe for me, but I was like, I wasn't like this.
Speaker 2: Is it my mom? I love her, I'm gonna miss you.
Speaker 4: Like I basically was like, fuck, my ankles are fucking shattered,
Speaker 4: And I was fine.
Speaker 1: Mary's just shouting yates midway through a triple flips, like,
Speaker 1: do not.
Speaker 2: Go quiet, tell my mom, I love her. Like I
Speaker 2: was fine.
Speaker 4: But it was an extraordinary pain, and it did ultimately
Speaker 4: like alter forever my ability to do gymnastics and like
Speaker 4: even my ability to walk to this day, if something
Speaker 4: tweaks my ankle wrong, I will just fall over. So
Speaker 4: it's like it's been kind of like a permanent change
Speaker 4: to my physical being.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm very fortunate.
Speaker 4: I've never been like so sick that I thought, Mike,
Speaker 4: something might happen to me. And I've never been as
Speaker 4: far as I can remember. Maybe I blocked that memory out,
Speaker 4: but like as far as I can remember, like, I
Speaker 4: don't think anyone's ever tried.
Speaker 2: To like yeat me. So I feel pretty good about that.
Speaker 4: But man, I mean I will say even even that
Speaker 4: one like flight, when you think you're gonna go, the
Speaker 4: first thing that went through my mind was I want
Speaker 4: to make sure the people who were like really meaningful
Speaker 4: in my life know And I just started thinking about
Speaker 4: the things of like how much they mean to me
Speaker 4: and how important they were, so that it doesn't just
Speaker 4: not happen. Like that's what I would do if someone
Speaker 4: like if I thought I was gonna die, I think
Speaker 4: I would be, like, I gotta call my mom and
Speaker 4: tell her she was the best mom.
Speaker 2: In the whole world.
Speaker 3: I mean that is like not to get dark here,
Speaker 3: but like I don't know if you guys have been
Speaker 3: to the nine to eleven Museum, but the thing that
Speaker 3: obviously it's a very heavy place to go to anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people called their family.
Speaker 3: That is the thing that like that has stuck with me,
Speaker 3: like it's an incredibly effective museum, Like, but there's this
Speaker 3: partler where it's like, as you're walking through certain things
Speaker 3: where you can pick up phones and you're hearing actual
Speaker 3: voicemails from people that were on the flights being like, Hey,
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on. It's not looking good.
Speaker 3: I kind of heard there was some stuff going on.
Speaker 3: They've got the plane, I see buildings and water, and
Speaker 3: it's just like, oh my god, Like they were able
Speaker 3: to like you know, call with the satellite phones or something.
Speaker 3: And hearing the actual like that has been Uh, that's
Speaker 3: maybe the most like just kind of gut wrenching, just like,
Speaker 3: holy shit. Thing I think I've ever heard is those
Speaker 3: voicemail recordings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the kind of stuff that's like, Yeah, when
Speaker 1: you hear someone who knows that the end's coming and
Speaker 1: the way that they deal with it, it's like you
Speaker 1: have a lot of admiration for how some people handle it,
Speaker 1: which is just yeah.
Speaker 3: I'd be doing a lot of screaming.
Speaker 1: I'd be streaming a lot.
Speaker 4: When I broke both my ankles at the same time,
Speaker 4: I wasn't like cool at all. I won the cursing
Speaker 4: award that year for the most cursing because I would
Speaker 4: not stop saying fuck is they like drug me off
Speaker 4: the floor.
Speaker 5: It was fuck, fuck you, thank you, fuck you too
Speaker 5: already said it to you with fuck you mom, fuck fuck.
Speaker 3: You my I was I starting to encourage me to
Speaker 3: pursue this.
Speaker 2: I can't believe he's told me this is a good hobby.
Speaker 1: It's been a real fucking asshole of a day. Oh God,
Speaker 1: we covered some ground in the last sixty seconds. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: Well thank you. Uh. Also, I'm embarrassed I said that
Speaker 1: poem is Yets. It was Dylan Thomas.
Speaker 3: We were judging you, but we weren't gonna say anything.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to the Irish people and the Welsh people
Speaker 1: who I offended for that one. I feel bad. Thank
Speaker 1: you doc last one. We've gotten some like we've gotten
Speaker 1: a bunch like these in the last few years, but
Speaker 1: it's been a while, so figured it might actually be
Speaker 1: good to re up because more people are traveling to Portland,
Speaker 1: New York, et cetera that we haven't told so Hello
Speaker 1: fire escapers. Mary, my best friend and I are going
Speaker 1: to Oregon this summer. Other than bowling and getting our
Speaker 1: holes filled holes drilled? What are the must sorry sat there,
Speaker 1: other than bowling and getting our holes drilled? What are
Speaker 1: the must see and do things in the state and
Speaker 1: in Portland? Mike and Dan, my friend and I aren't
Speaker 1: traveling to New York City or the woodpecker infested backwards
Speaker 1: of Minnesota. But still, what do you usually recommend to
Speaker 1: people who travel your states and cities? Thanks for escaping
Speaker 1: fires for us every two weeks. Alex from Dallas.
Speaker 4: When people come to Portland, I usually say, I'm not
Speaker 4: going to literally tell you where to go, but there
Speaker 4: are so many good, excellent food and drink spots. Specifically,
Speaker 4: we're really known for coffee, pizza.
Speaker 2: And donuts. I will give you a couple just to
Speaker 2: get you started.
Speaker 4: But I think what I really want to emphasize is
Speaker 4: you don't have to go to the spots.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, research those three places.
Speaker 4: Because there's infinite amazing places within those three things coffee, pizza,
Speaker 4: and donuts, and you will be happy.
Speaker 2: For coffee. I really like Soro Sorow Cafe.
Speaker 4: They are a like local mom and mom and pop
Speaker 4: Japanese style coffee. They do the coffees with like little
Speaker 4: like bears or cat faces in the milk. It's adorable
Speaker 4: and you can, like literally they're always working there. It's
Speaker 4: always like the husband and wife working there. They're so cute.
Speaker 4: I just adore them. For pizza, I like a pizza shoals.
Speaker 4: There's like five dozen different types of pizza. Ranch pizzas
Speaker 4: fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: It's it's so delicious, and they do make their own
Speaker 2: homemade ranch.
Speaker 1: Yes. Please.
Speaker 4: For donuts, Sesame Donuts is the casual donut place, but
Speaker 4: you can also get bougie donuts.
Speaker 2: From Blue Star.
Speaker 4: Take your pick, and then go to a freaking park
Speaker 4: and enjoy the beautiful parks there. And then the other
Speaker 4: thing I always recommend is go on a trip through
Speaker 4: the Gorge. That's what I always take guests. When Dan
Speaker 4: and Mike come, I was like, you're going to the
Speaker 4: Gorge and you guys can probably attest. It's one of
Speaker 4: the most beautiful places on Earth. No matter where I've traveled,
Speaker 4: and I've traveled a lot in my years, I'm very fortunate.
Speaker 4: I still think the most beautiful place on Earth is
Speaker 4: the Gorge, where you can like look at over two
Speaker 4: dozen waterfalls and just hang up by the river. It's
Speaker 4: stunning and it's just so beautiful. It's it's heaven. It's
Speaker 4: heaven on earth, you guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Awes, it was great.
Speaker 1: Every time we turn a corner the view got better.
Speaker 3: Also, Portland, like that breakfast place you told us about,
Speaker 3: Mary like that, I'm still thinking about those business and
Speaker 3: biscuits and gravy I had, and like that was like
Speaker 3: the best breakfast I've had.
Speaker 4: And for it, I have so many recommendations and a
Speaker 4: lot of it depends on like what you ask me, right,
Speaker 4: But yeah, Dan, one time is asking me for a
Speaker 4: good breakfast place, and I said Pine State Biscuits, and
Speaker 4: it was and it is good. It's consistently fucking awesome.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm glad.
Speaker 1: Of the biscuits, the grave, all that just incredible, incredible.
Speaker 4: It means a lot to me because I have a
Speaker 4: lot of pride in this city. I think it really
Speaker 4: is amazing. So when people visit me, I'm like, God,
Speaker 4: I hope they have a good time. But you and
Speaker 4: Bonk and Bank wrote me the nicest, loveliest note. I
Speaker 4: don't know if I've ever said this story before, and
Speaker 4: I think I just didn't see it for like a
Speaker 4: long time.
Speaker 2: And when I finally read it.
Speaker 4: I was like, this is so meaningful and so sweet,
Speaker 4: and I think I told you when you were like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't think you like responded in a while, and
Speaker 4: she thought maybe it was like that she like was
Speaker 4: rude or misspoke, and I was like, I am the
Speaker 4: worst friend ever, but I just didn't see it for
Speaker 4: like weeks. Sometimes I leave messages on red for like weeks.
Speaker 1: It's not no, it.
Speaker 3: Meant so she loved it, and yeah, that whole trip
Speaker 3: meant a lot to us.
Speaker 4: So nice when people like say this recommendation or like
Speaker 4: whatever is meaningful. So if you go to Portland, it
Speaker 4: sounds like you are Alex in Dallas, feel free to.
Speaker 2: Like message me what you ended up doing.
Speaker 4: I really do love it when someone does take me
Speaker 4: up on a recommendation and said, yes, I went to
Speaker 4: a park and I had a pizza, shoals or you know,
Speaker 4: whatever it is you end up doing. I hope you
Speaker 4: enjoy yourself. I adore this town.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say for New York City, it's like,
Speaker 1: I think the thing you can do that not everybody
Speaker 1: does because everybody wants to like do all the big
Speaker 1: neighborhoods in one day. And if it's their first time.
Speaker 1: They want to do Times Square, but then they also
Speaker 1: want to pop down and see Wall Street. The thing
Speaker 1: you could do that I one of the reasons I
Speaker 1: love New York is I'm still stumbling into like little
Speaker 1: neighborhoods that I have never been in before, and it
Speaker 1: becomes my favorite neighborhood. I think New York's individual neighborhoods
Speaker 1: have such distinct identities. One thing you can do, if
Speaker 1: you have the time, pick one day and then pick
Speaker 1: like the West Village or the East Village or Lower
Speaker 1: east Side or somewhere in Brooklyn. If you're gonna go
Speaker 1: to Green Point or Red Hook or Upper west Side,
Speaker 1: pick a neighborhood and just make a few reservations there,
Speaker 1: find a few bars you want to pop into. I
Speaker 1: think it's really fun to get the feel of a
Speaker 1: single neighborhood in New York, and you can't really do
Speaker 1: that if you're going in for dinner and then then
Speaker 1: you're jumping on the subway to go all the way downtown.
Speaker 1: Say the West Village, tree lined streets, really like small
Speaker 1: bars and restaurants, so you could pop into really local feel.
Speaker 1: Ignore the fucking West Village girl story from the from
Speaker 1: New York Magazine, Like, I hate that kind of person
Speaker 1: just as much as most people do when they run
Speaker 1: into them in the village. There are a lot of
Speaker 1: cool people there, Upper West Sides amazing. Just get like
Speaker 1: ensconce yourself in one neighborhood for a day if you
Speaker 1: have like a spare Saturday on the trip. I think
Speaker 1: is how my recommendation for New.
Speaker 3: York Minneapolis is weird in that, like it's not like
Speaker 3: it's tourist friendly, like you're gonna have a good time,
Speaker 3: but it's not like a New York or San Francisco
Speaker 3: or something where it's like there's the obvious. If you
Speaker 3: go to San Francisco, it's like, Okay, we're gonna go
Speaker 3: to lands End. You're gonna go check out this bridge
Speaker 3: or this part of town. Like It's Minneapolis, I think
Speaker 3: is an amazing place to live. It's maybe not the
Speaker 3: most obvious, great place to visit for just a few days,
Speaker 3: but if you are just visiting for a few days.
Speaker 3: Some of my fair of places to go, which I've
Speaker 3: taken you guys to some of these, Dario is a
Speaker 3: place in Northeast I'm going there tomorrow. It's me and
Speaker 3: Bunks anniversary and so we're gonna go tomorrow. It is
Speaker 3: my favorite place to eat in the city. It's a
Speaker 3: pasta place in Northeast. It's fucking incredible. They have this
Speaker 3: order the Dopeio get a bunch of different places. Its off.
Speaker 3: The Dopio is this weird like pasta thing where it's
Speaker 3: like two little pockets and like one of them is
Speaker 3: like yeah, like vertical raviolis and it's got like rosemary
Speaker 3: and one fold and like ricata and the other and
Speaker 3: all these like seasons. It's just it's every I'm like
Speaker 3: angry every time I buy it into them, like how
Speaker 3: is it this? Fucking yeah? This is the dope always,
Speaker 3: like my favorite thing that you And they're.
Speaker 1: Stamped at the ends with the with the with the metal,
Speaker 1: so they like are bound, but there's still the pot
Speaker 1: the hole between them so they are separate. Yeah, it's impressive.
Speaker 3: It's insane how good of is and just just order
Speaker 3: a bunch of plates of appetizers and salads and pasta dishes.
Speaker 3: It's so fucking good. Also, if you just want a
Speaker 3: good ass burger and fries like Matt's Bar the Juicy.
Speaker 3: If you're going to a Juicy Lucy. If you wanna
Speaker 3: do the gimmick thing, it's very very good. Go to
Speaker 3: Matt's Bar. You guys have had the Juicy Loozy It's delicious.
Speaker 3: But I actually think Lions Tap is better. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: out in Eden Prairie. I took both you and Jake
Speaker 3: there and just all they have is like beer, burgers
Speaker 3: and fries and that's it. And it is just so
Speaker 3: fucking good, lots of space to sit down everything. It's
Speaker 3: very kind of like Divy felis just on the side
Speaker 3: of the road it is. Lion's Tap is like my
Speaker 3: favorite burger in the city. Breakfast Scramble an Egg is
Speaker 3: this place that has incredible breakfast sandwiches and everything. And
Speaker 3: if you go to Northeast Minneapolis, which is a great
Speaker 3: spot if you just want to bar hop and all
Speaker 3: that stuff, start a night by going to Spring Street
Speaker 3: Tavern and get some spring Wings. I took you both there.
Speaker 3: That's where we saw birds and everything. And then you
Speaker 3: walk over to Veggas Lounge for some karaoke and some
Speaker 3: Northeast afterwards. But yeah, Spring Street Tavern, great Wings, walk
Speaker 3: over to Vegas Lounge for karaoke, and then if you
Speaker 3: just have like an afternoon. Go to the Chain of Lakes,
Speaker 3: walk around beautiful beautiful Lakes, A lot of cool stuff
Speaker 3: around there. Go to Sebastian Joe's for some ice cream.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's not like the tourist trap type of city.
Speaker 3: But if you know where to go, there's just a
Speaker 3: million awesome places to eat and explore and walk around
Speaker 3: and I just love it.
Speaker 1: One last specific recommendation, I talk enough about wine. I
Speaker 1: try not to have the podcast, but I do that
Speaker 1: I should recommend there's a lot of wine bars in
Speaker 1: New York. My personal favorite, which I spend a decent
Speaker 1: amount of time at, is called La Company on Center Street.
Speaker 1: There are two. There's one in Flat Iron, one down
Speaker 1: in Soho on Center Street. Go to the Center Street location.
Speaker 1: If you go in, I don't think so. Okay, if
Speaker 1: you go in on Friday wearing a tropical shirt, you
Speaker 1: get five dollars off by the glass wines.
Speaker 3: It's a low How do I determine who decides what's tropical?
Speaker 1: The GM who is Hawaiian and came up with the idea.
Speaker 3: Okay, if I wore my Mario Sunshine shirt.
Speaker 1: I remind me what it Yeah, I think Mario.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, on the shirt Mario is wearing a Hawaiian shirt.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that would pass, and I think it
Speaker 1: would get. The person who instituted Aloha Fridays is also
Speaker 1: plays games to the point where I think he would
Speaker 1: want a shirt. Yeah, wear Hawaiian shirt on a Friday
Speaker 1: in say Hi to Lailah the bartender. It's an awesome place.
Speaker 1: Despite the name being the full name being La Compa
Speaker 1: de von Son, it is a very down to earth place.
Speaker 1: Like I mentioned, wear Hawaiian shirts on Fridays. They do
Speaker 1: a bunch of like different different turntables. Incredible by the
Speaker 1: glass list. If I might be there hanging out, if
Speaker 1: you want recommendations on the bottle lists, I'd be happy to.
Speaker 1: It's a great spot. It's also a cool, really cool
Speaker 1: little pocket of New York between the hectic chaos of
Speaker 1: Canal Street and the hectic touristy chaos of Spring Street.
Speaker 1: It's like in this little pocket the er if the
Speaker 1: weather's nice, there's tables outside. It's a really great great
Speaker 1: spot with amazing small plates and food. So that's my
Speaker 1: specific recommendation, and the staff is all very cool and
Speaker 1: will answer any questions you have and share their passion
Speaker 1: and they will not be dicks about it. I can
Speaker 1: vouch for each and every one.
Speaker 3: Of them, and we all live in really cool cities.
Speaker 3: We do.
Speaker 1: I like it got three different time zones. To that end,
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Speaker 1: Please please someone remind you what that game was. It's
Speaker 1: been killing He's going to drive me nuts, Dan. I
Speaker 1: will say this if it's another clue. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a game you would have liked.
Speaker 3: Not Wilder myth.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: That was when you were talking about a lot back
Speaker 3: in the day that I didn't play.
Speaker 1: No, it was Wildermeth was turn based tactics.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, but it played a side scrolling action game.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about.
Speaker 1: Act I think it might have been a bit too
Speaker 1: cute for you at the time. I got cubes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you've changed at the time. I just wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't remember talking to anybody else who
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll figure it out, but if anybody
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