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everyone back to the Peking Yona's show. Well, we're going
to use the term long arm for an anonymous friend
who's going to who's joined us to share some information
that was shared on what is quickly becoming maybe the
most popular Old Glory Club substack post that we've done
in our history. So how are you doing long Arm?
Speaker 2: To be honest, when you reached out to me to
do this, my first feeling was oh, wonderful, this is
would be great, and then half a second later I thought, oh, man,
now we're all in trouble. I'm not enthusiastic about coming
weighing in on on our thing from this angle, but
I wrote the piece and I'm I'm very honored to
be talking with you about this, and I suspect that
the piece is popular because there's just a lot of
practical stuff that's useful for people in our thing, and
just normal people could also take something from what I wrote,
and not to be unduly afraid of law enforcement, but
also to know what the landscape is like, what you're
dealing with, and just basic stuff that can make you
safer if you know it, and also so you're not
surprised when when law enforcement acts the way that they
are trained and have learned through experience to act. It's
just this is useful stuff, I believe.
Speaker 1: All right, So this is called the piece is called
the cops in you we only catch the stupid ones,
be smart. And it starts off with a I'll read
this quote. It's a quote from Stormy Stormy Waters. Constant continued,
What was I saying? What's the term? I'm looking for
frequent guest on the show. And okay, so this is
from the Inquisition episode twenty. I don't think I was
on this episode. I think I was recovering. So all right,
here's what he said. He said, because of how dangerous
our society is, all of our guys are packing as
they should be. So this doubly means if you're concealed carrying,
cops are your fucking enemy and you need to stay
away from them. Kyle Rittenhouse, Daniel Penny. All these people
were arrested, and I bet the arresting officers were white,
and they don't give a shit because a lady in
a pantsuit that's a district attorney is going to give
them a high five and a head pat And that
district attorney a lady in a pants suit is going
to shove you into a machine that runs on automation.
So yeah, I guess you heard you heard that, and
that uh caused you to bring into action. So you know,
you start off talking about how those of us who
didn't come from libertarianism where we studied just exactly how
law enforcement works, and how they're not our ally, they're
not designed to be our ally. You decided to, you know,
give us some background so you can start wherever you want.
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm glad you did the quote in its entirety,
and I would recommend listening to Astro Flight in general
and the Inquisition specifically, and really any anytime Stormy Waters
appears somewhere like some kind of avenging spirit, I would
just recommend listening to him. He knows what time it
is and he is a very impressive person. I see
you as sort of the Don Corleone of our thing,
But he's like some kind of Anglo Saxon yarrel or
something like. He's someone from the past who's appeared and
he looks around and he's mad at what has happened
to his people. And the reason that I felt sort
of motivated to spring into action it was two really
two things. My piece is three parts. Two of them
were inspired by Stormy's quote and his kind of little
sidebar in Astrols podcast, and one I kind of threw
it on my own. The first one is, you know,
he's saying cops your fucking enemy, and I wanted to
my piece is saying he's mostly right. You should act
around cops, particularly ones you don't know, as if they
are your enemy, in the same way that cops act
around you like you are their enemy until they get
more information. But if you have relationships with cops who
are on the level, and there won't be very many
of them. Again, I'm a pretty weird dude. I'm a
pretty weird case. But they if they're like anyone in
the system, anyone in a bureaucratic position of power or
chick point again elite theory. If a cop is one
of us, well then there's more options, the landscape isn't
quite so bleak. And if more of them and higher
placed ones are one of us, than even better. And
if they are integrated into a local executive function where
the fire chief and the mayor are one of us. Again,
the more people who are on the level who are
working together and working locally, then the better our chances
of number one just having a nice time but also
not getting thrown into the threshing machine. That is the
integrated local federal law enforcement INTEL thing. And that was
the second thing he referred to which I hadn't I
hadn't heard anybody else refer to these things before on podcasts,
and our thing, which was fusion centers. Fusion centers are
essentially offices that are based in regions, and it kind
of depends on the population of the area they're dealing with.
Every state in the United States has at least one
fusion center, but some fusion centers govern entire states areas
and some like down to there's one fusion center that
only only deals with one county because that county is
populous and rich. But like in the piece I said,
it's not just the USA. Guam has a fusion center,
Virgin Islands has one, DC has one, And these fusion
centers is the the the the hinge between particularly dhs,
but also FBI, the all the feds. It's their interface
point with local law enforcement. So it's like a regional
center where it is local law enforcement and there's local
law enforcement people at desks in these buildings and they
are feeding intel up the chain about what's going on
in their areas. And not very often, but sometimes the
FEDS will feed commands down the chain, you know. So
it's like it's like a nervous system, you know. The
local law enforcement is like the nerves that notice things
that give information to the brain, and then the brain gives,
you know, nerve signals for muscles to move, and then
those local law enforcement agencies can become the nerves that
make muscles move. They can become the muscle. And there's
lots of examples in history. And again if you're a
if you're an anarchist libertarian type, you know, all the
all the big bad ones where where the Feds come
to some area and sometimes local law enforcement is very
happy to cooperate. Sometimes local law enforcement is not cooperative
but does not obstruct. And I suspect what's going to
happen more and more, and I actually hope it does,
is local law enforcement can actively obstruct federal law enforcement.
And doing that in a in a big enough way,
in a kind of media circus enough way, could cause
a constitutional crisis. And that would be a very likely
sort of like touch off point for a you know,
like an insurgency. But by the way, again I also
plug Clay Martin's books Prairie Fire and and Hungry Jungle.
But in Clay Martin's Wrath of the Wind to go
quote novel unquote, a local event where there's a conflict
between the locals in an area who are awake and
FEDS doing fed things. That's in his fictional sort of
prophecy of a continental USA insurgency. That's how it's gets
touched off. It's a very likely touch off point for
an insurgency if like local law enforcement and they deputize
people and like you know, stacked up at a road
into town and said fed's no, you will not do
the thing you're going to do. So anyway, my piece,
I the first part of the piece was just like
general helpful stuff. I probably miss some things. And like
I said in the piece, if you're a libertarian, I mean, frankly,
if you're a libtard, if you just if you just
like if you hate the cops or distrust the cops
or whatever, you probably know all this stuff already've heard it,
you know, somewhere else. So just sort of how to
deal with the cops. Had to be with the cops,
and I wasn't. I tried my best to. I'm not
suggesting anyone like defy or mess with or hurt or
do anything unlawful. I actually was like, if you're dealing
with the cops, cooperate with them. If they're trying to
give you a ticket, get the ticket, particularly if you
have anything illegal on you or anything you don't want
them to see. Like the best way for you to
send them on their way is to get that ticket
and say thank you, sir, have a nice day, and
then they find someone else to mess with. Like if
you if you act like a civilized heterosexual Caucasian around cops,
unless something glaring is happening, they probably are just going
to like be on their way. They're hunting for like
I mean again, they want to catch bad guys and
put them in jail. Arresting people and taking them to
jail is the job of police. And if a cop
is in the process of arresting someone taking them to jail,
their leadership is happy with them. They're not going to
get like questions about, hey, what were you doing all day?
Like were you just like chilling in your car, What
were you, like, how why are we paying you? Whatever
it is? And again there's actually quite a wide, a wide,
a wide bracket of Some cops get paid pretty dang good,
Some cops get paid pretty badly. Some cops are very
very well trained. Some cops are not very well trained.
So there's like there's actually, I mean, you're not just
dealing if you if you encounter a cop, You're not
just dealing with a very wide possibilities of kind of
how well they're getting paid, how well they're getting treated
and like, and also how enthusiastic, how kind of gung
ho are they about doing whatever their do they think
their job is, but how well trained are they? Like
how how often do they have to you know, qualify
with their weapons? How often do they have to do
like you know, bureaucratic sometimes cringe like negotiation things, mental
health training first a like, all these things are state
and local dependent. So and I tried my best in
my piece to be as general as possible about like, hey, like,
whatever your specific situation is with laws and codes and crap, like,
it's on everyone in the same way. It's on the
cops in those areas, it's you, it's on you to
not know every dumb little law, but the know the
laws that the cops might use to jam you up.
And like I said, the piece cops they actually don't
like writing tickets. They don't care about writing citations. It's
the citations are annoying. But they want a legal pretense
to stop people and identify them and see if they're
in the system, like do you have a warrant? Are
you doing something right now? Do you have something on
you that I could actually arrest you for? And that's
their objective, Like they're they're fishing, they're hunting, and they're
doing this when they're just sort of chilling on their
own without a call they have to kind of go to.
But they're also doing it again if someone calls the cops,
the cops show up. Yes, the cops are are kind
of listening to what the person told them is happening,
but they're also kind of looking around like is there
anything more juicy? Is there anything they're not telling me?
Or are they lying to me? And I would say
the I'm still not very experienced, but it seems to
me that the the the key to being good at
the profession is I mean, number number one keeping your
composure at all the times, no matter what wacky thing
is happening. That's really hard sometimes, particularly if things are
violent and things are just changing on you. But also
to actually be paying attention to what is going on
and figuring out quickly and deciding how you're going to
respond to what do I have right now? I'm called
for something? Am I getting called because of a crime
or a mental health crisis or a medical aid or
something just a dead body because maybe they died natural causes.
But what the call tells you you have can change
because of what you see and hear what is happening
right this moment. And I'm sure our guys would agree
that police bodycams have been a net positive for everyone
looking at this sort of landscape. Yes, lots of police
incompetence or misbehavior or criminal activity has been exposed, and
that was kind of the point originally, but also just
lots of stuff that's embarrassing and or horrible that actually
redounds to CoP's credit, like, Wow, this police officer is
being really patient with this insane animal they're dealing with.
But not only that. If you watch police bodycams that
are released, you can see over and over again. How
fast the situation goes from like oh, how's it going
to bang bang bang ban bank ah, you know, just
complete chaos, murder attack, good knife And then a lot
of times in these police bodycam playbacks they have to
freeze frame it and do draw a red circle around
the knife. The guy was definitely trying to plunge into
the CoP's neck because some normal person watching it be like, wait,
what what just happened? That person kind of flailed and
there now they're getting shot like fifteen times. No, no, no,
like they had a knife. The cop either saw the
knife or just reacted to flailing crazy person. And then
they got lucky because the person happened to have a
knife in their hand. Because things just happen. Things happened
really quickly.
Speaker 1: Well, let's nail some let's nail some stuff down here,
some of the things you write about here, because like
I think, well, let let's i'll get to what something
I wanted to bring up on my own. So you
said here, like so if you are stopped, you said, politely,
ask whether you're being detained. That sounds like some sovereign
citizens stuff. Why are you asking that? And you said
politely asked are you being detained? You know, are whether
you are detained, and then ask why you are detained?
Like I said, that sounds like that typical sovereign citizen
libertarian bullshit. So why would you do that?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you're stopped while you're driving, then
you are detained. So it's more a question of hey,
why did you stop me? And you have to look
at your local situation. But the cop might be legally
required to tell you why he stopped you, depending on
where you live. Because again, if you're so sorry, short version,
if you're in your car, you are detained for just
to get a ticket, not necessarily Again, there's a great area.
They don't necessarily have the right to, like, you know,
to pat you down, but they can generally get you
out of your car because car stops are very dangerous.
So if you're stopped and you're in your car, you
are detained. Your passengers might not be. Again, look at
the laws for your area. But the reason you would
ask this if you're just sort of on your feet
somewhere chatting, well, the reason you would ask if the
cops chatting you up again, they might really be chatting
you up, like they're humans. They you know, they might
want to talk about the game or whatever. But if
they're talking to you and they start asking like stuff
for you're like, hey, why are you asking me this?
Or are you trying to figure out if I'm doing
crime right now? If you ask like hey, man, like sorry,
am I detained? Right now? Am I detained? They have
to tell you yes or no. If they say no
and you feel like just leaving, you can just leave.
But if they say yes, well that means not only
can you not leave yet, and they can't detain you forever,
because detained is like I'm stopping you. You can't leave yet,
but you're not under arrest yet. I can detain you
long enough to do a little investigating and figure out
if I'm going to arrest you. And again, a lot
of this is very gray areas stuff. The same way
if someone if a cop pulls you over for a citation,
like hey, you you know your registration and your tail
light if that's all they have, if they didn't see anything,
they don't smell alcohol on you, whatever. If they don't
find something better than your dumb little citation and you're cooperative,
then they can only legally detain you long enough to
write that ticket. And if they detain you longer because
they're trying to fish for something else and they don't
find anything else, well then you could you know, you
have a case, you have a fun little case where
you can get some a nice settlement out of them.
But if you're on your feet, you ask that question,
if they say yes, well then then you can't leave.
And if you're detained, you have to identify yourself. Like
if you're just chatting and they ask you your name,
you don't got to tell them. But if you're detained
and you don't, if you don't provide it dification because
of legal detention, then now they have obstructing their investigation.
Now they have something a little more, they can maybe
arrest you for that. So that's why again the sovereign
system thing is annoying again. Like that's why I said politely.
You know, if you just like, yell am I detained
at a cop, like maybe they're like, okay, never mind,
excuse me, but they'll be like, oh really, why are
you so why are you being weird about being detained?
Or like why are you asking this question so aggressively? Guy?
You know some of them might be like, it's not
worth it, but some would be like, oh, now I'm curious,
And if a CoP's curious about you, not a great
spot to be in. Just not some of them. Some
of them are quite patient when they're curious, patient enough
to like follow you around for a little while and
see if they see anything.
Speaker 1: One of the other things that you mentioned is is
if you do get arrested, you know, basically you have
to give over your identification, but don't talk, you know,
don't talk without a lawyer, imperfectly a lawyer who's one
of our guys. And yeah, it's another libertarian thing. There's
a really short book, it's like one hundred and twenty
five pages by a guy named James Dwayne, college professor.
It's called you have the Right to Remain I think
It's innocent or something like that. And basically what he
says in there is, and you know, maybe you can
speak to this, is that if a cop asks you
a if they're like they're trying to figure out if
you were involved in a robbery, and they ask you
one hundred questions and you answer two of those questions,
that will seem to incriminate yourself even if there are
the way you answer the question in the ninety eight
ones in the ninety eight previous questions exonerate you, they can.
They only have to submit those two questions. Those other
ninety eight questions get thrown out and you can't say, well,
I answered that back here and submit that as evidence.
So don't answer shit, I mean, don't talk say anything
until you're you know, until a lawyer is there, because
if they're asking you questions, they're trying to implicate you,
and the system is set up so that even if
you've already exonerated yourself, if you say anything that makes
it seem like you're guilty, you can end up doing
you know, doing a couple of years or even more,
and they are they may already know that you're innocent.
Speaker 2: The other thing that's relevant here, again, people are newer
to this landscape. The threshold for arresting someone is considerably
lower than the threshold for finding someone guilty in the
court of law. So even if even if you don't
do anything or say anything, the cops could get you
because there's just enough from their perspective, you know, like
a fifty one percent kind of thing, they could arrest you,
and they can sort of they can calm their conscience
by being like, look it, it's not up to me.
Probably won't get filed. This person's going to get out
of jail tomorrow morning. And like it's annoying, but like,
particularly in the cases of domestic violence, a lot of
times it's kind of she said, he said situation. If
someone said there was violence, sometimes that's all that they
need to put someone in jail, specifically so that the
situation doesn't continue that same night, because, as they say
my piece as well, if if you blow off a
domestic violence or just a domestic verbal argument call, if
you're like he's lying, she's lying. This is annoying. I've
been here before. Probably you're right. But if you blow
that off and then later that same evening, maybe even
after you're done with your shift, if that situation continues
and someone gets very badly hurt or killed, they're going
to go back to the previous call, like, hey, why
didn't you investigate this further? We looked at your whole
body cam. You seem like you're not doing your job properly.
Who's going to get fired and sued and prosecuted? The
guy who blew it off. So it's and again, look
at your local situation, look at your state laws, and
even in policy, like every department has their own policies
they're right about in this situation, you will X and Y,
and not everybody knows all of them. And doing the
right thing at the right time is generally more powerful
than any given policy. But people are pretty articulous about
following those kind of policies, like, Hey, I'm going to
cover my tail here and yo, I don't see anything,
but like she said, you hit her, so you're going
to jail man. Sorry, Oh, do you have any guns
in the house? Yeah, right ahead, and seize those for
now because we're resting you for domestic violence. So guns,
where are they? Just like keep in mind. And something
else I write in the piece is like, be careful
who you live with. You know, if you're you have
any concerns about getting in like dangerous arguments with the
people you live with, whether it's your your spouse or
family people or room, whatever it is. If you're worried
about the people you live with, and particularly if you
live near enough to your neighbors where they can call
the cops, because there's some noise. Well, there'll be reports
written about that if you have like some blow up fight.
Even if even if no one hits nobody, the cops
will write a report if there was like a domestic
verbal argument, like if you admit to it. I mean,
if you and your lady are awake and you have like,
oh we fight, we're loud, we're intimated. But the cops
show up and you're like, oh, nothing happened, nothing happened,
No nothing that what are you talking about? No, that's
she says, nothing happened. You something happened. Then they leave.
They might write down that you said that. They might
write report saying we went there, neighbors said this, both people,
this person, this person, their name, their day to birth.
You know, they'll having the system. But it's like we've
shut up there and then nobody said anything happened, and
they might it might be even boring how long they
try to talk to both of you, like, Hey, it's okay,
you can tell me like did he did she? If
you if you and your people are like not, even
if you have like a big bad fight, we're not
going to involve the cops at all with this. And
you like legit stick to that then they have nothing,
but they'll still probably write down your names. So be
better to not get in fights with your person you
can help that. That's right.
Speaker 1: And the piece, well, I think this is a there's
another section here that you wrote that is important. It's
a very short section, but I mean this literally comes
down to your rights and basically how you're going to
be viewed by the authorities for the rest of your life.
That's psychols and mental health. Get into that, especially what
not to say.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, I made that one pretty short because
again I'm uneasy about making pronouncements because again, every state
has different laws about what the cup have to do
about this. But if you are placed on a mandatory cycle,
the things to not say in front of mandatory mandated
reporters is if you admit that you are homicidal or suicidal,
or if you're if you're just like if your life
is such a train wreck that you're like a kind
of crazy, homeless person level of like crazy. I mean,
I don't think any of our guys are in danger
of getting this bad. But there's criteria where a mandated
reporter calls the cops and if they talk to you
and you know, you kind of show those symptoms, show
that you know, if you're if you're homicidal or suicidal,
they're gonna put you on the whole. Then you're not
technically arrested. You're detained for further monitoring the words for it.
But but you will be put in handcuffs. They will
you know, use force on you if you don't cooperate
with them, and they will seize your firearms. And again
whether they have to seize your firearms is state dependent. Again,
look at your state, like how how hard over is
your state on if someone gets put on a cycled
that you seize their firearms. So again, like a great
way to get your firearms you winked in, like you
know lickety split is have a really bad fight or
hit your wife or tell a mandated reporter that your
suicidal or homicidal like that that's the fastest way all
of you know, years you've spent you know, getting stuff,
you know, just so they're going to try to find
all of them and seize them all And and in
the cases of in in both I think the psycle
one again, this is all state dependent. When or if
you can get that stuff back, you have to look
up what that what the law would be like in
your state. But in some cases, the time that your
stuff would be on ice before you could get it
back is less than the time the agencies would wait
before they just destroy it because they don't hold things
that long. So like you could get your shit seized
and they could throw it in an incinerator or like,
I don't know what happens, Maybe people just take them home.
I don't know, but like your shit is gone, your
guns and your AMMO, all of it, all the stuff
they can find anyway, all the stuff in your name. Again,
if you're in a state that does that stuff. So
again I wrote again very briefly, you know, if you're
hurting you, if you have an issue. I'm not flipping
about if someone's having a spiritual or mental health crisis.
Like people, you know, we need to take care of ourselves.
We need to talk to people if we're hurting. But
again I'm not even against using you know, talk therapy
or mental health services. But like, do not tell mandated
reporters that you are suicidal or homicidal, like never, never,
and definitely don't tell a cop your suicidal or homicidal.
Do not tell them that even if you are, because
I mean you can, you can become not suicidal, you
can become not homicidal. But if they take your stuff,
that might be it. It might just be gone forever.
And now you now if you want to have that stuff,
now you're a criminal again for even more than just
carrying it, like even possessing it at all. That's a
problem again. And if you're where is it if it
could seize because you were arrested for domestic violence, well
let's say it gets thrown out. You're you know, doesn't
get filed like okay, Well you could get your stuff
back in like a week or something. It depends on
what the circumstances are. So getting arrested doesn't necessarily mean
your stuff's gone forever. It's still bad, it's still not good.
But a cycle is I would say, worse even than
getting arrested for something in terms of your your stuff
getting taken and you don't get it back.
Speaker 1: I think another thing people need to realize is, even
if the officer is trying to help you, it has
your best interest at heart when it comes to these
when it comes to psychlos and things like that and
mental health, I mean, if they put you into the system,
you're getting put into like Stormy set up there. You're
just getting into automation, and you can end up in
a facility, shut up with drugs against your will. And
the cop may not want that to happen, but if
you tell him that you're having a problem like that,
he has to report it. And then you're being handed
over to people who don't care about you as an individual.
They're quote unquote trying to protect the public. And one
of the ways they may be protecting the public from
you is by I mean just pumping you full of drugs.
And I know people that this has happened too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't get to I mean, you could decide
to not eat. But like once you're in the system,
once you're incarcerated, I mean, you're you eat what they
can give you to eat, and they might make you
take medication. They might forcibly inject you. I mean they
might just get pills and watch you take them, but
they they might inject you with stuff. Forcibly, they might
like hold you down and inject you with things if
they think that's what you need. And again, particularly if
if you're extra uncivilized, when you're dealing with this whole system.
If you're if you're civilized, that doesn't mean they won't
do this stuff to you. But like if you're uncivilized
in any part of this process, law enforcement have actually
a lot of rules and a lot of scrutiny preventing
them from you know, being old fashioned thugs to you.
But if you're if you're like actively resisting or attacking them,
then they could just get to be thugs. And it's
great that they get permission to do what they kind
of want to do. A lot of them they want
to get in fights and win, and they don't fight fair.
They don't want to fight fair, and that's fine. Again,
like apprehending people, it's not fair in any direction. You know,
someone could just like become the devil in front of
you and pull a gun and you're like, whoa, I
thought we were talking about so oh the whole thing.
So they've learned that fighting fair is not good for them.
They want to go into their family again, Like wh
law enforcement types, they're basically, like a lot of them
just normal conservative, un neurotic people who just want to
do their job and not get fired and not get
sued and prosecuted and go into their families. And I
mean post twenty twenty, and I'm sure earlier than that.
Like when you're a law enforcement person, there's a lot
of incentives now to not advertise such a thing when
you're off duty, because I mean, like anything, people can
just come at you. You will probably forget almost everyone
you've arrested, but they probably won't forget you. There's lots
of stories, and they go around again, they go around
this culture enforcement culture like oh yeah, this guy's off duty,
he's just like ordering it as fast, too joint. And
some mobster, some gangster he walked away a while ago,
just put a gun in his ear and that's it
for him, like no warning, nothing like a mob hit.
So even in off duty world, vigilance is necessary. And
that's another lesson for our guys, Like people might want
to get a piece of you, and you might not
know who they are until they're committed to it. So
again vigilance.
Speaker 1: Part two, you basically talk about how agency is too
mutual aid and you get into mastister us and you
know our guys guys like Jay Ford and Melon and
not me, not you. You know, they were down for a
Hurricane Helene in on the ground watching how things were
carried out when you know, trying to provide mutual aid
for for our people who were who were hurt down there,
who were suffering. So talk a little bit about that,
because you you will if this happens in your area,
or you know, if the you know, the end of
the world as we know it happens. I think most
police are going to be worried about their own families
and you know, probably seeking to take care of them.
But we're talking about here like terrorist attack, natural disaster, riots,
even disease outbreak. So talk a little bit about what
you wrote about here as far as what we should
know about how you guys operate.
Speaker 2: Sure, again, this is sort of as an object lesson
when something sort of I sort of had two sections
or two sort of ways it could go. If we
have some advanced notice or like the air is a
little electric, we're going to be more vigilant. We think
something's going to happen, or something scheduled to happen that
we expect to be trouble. Well, then in the case
of law enforcement, we're on alert, people are called even
if they're off duty. Hey make sure your gear is
in order, your riot gear is in order. Make sure
that if you get called and you have to go somewhere,
you can get there quickly and have all your stuff
together and you can get in a skirmish line or
just break into little squads or whatever and do what
needs to happen. And then the riot is that everyone's
kind of favorite version of that. But I mean, if
there's a if there's an evacuation for something like a hurricane,
like a flood or a weather event, cops can be
sent into areas that could be affected to you advise everyone, Hey,
this is an evacuation order. Oh you're not going to
do it? Oh as myself? Okay, Cool, I'm runeing that down.
How many people at your house? Cool? Okay, so when
this blows through here, we'll know how many bodies to stack,
you know, to count for this house. Cool, Bye, and
et cetera. Or folks want our help. Cool, but sorry.
So if there's some advanced notice, then we can get
geared up and stage somewhere maybe at a time, or
get geared up in stage right around right before the
events supposed to take place. And actually, if they if
a city expects a disturbance, expects our riot or expects
some protest that is very rowdy. The city can be like, hey,
we expect this to go a certain way. We would
like a police presence, so, uh, could you please you know,
the mayor's officer probably say, hey, could you please, you know,
get X number of people, and well, this is how
we'll they'll they'll have a plan that they agree with
degree upon with the the law enforcement executive. This is
how we'll do this event. I mean our event that
could go good. You know, here we have a concert.
Could you guys just security for the concert. Yeah, here's
how we'll do it, like just like a security company,
but just you know, a more muscular security company. And
then when the event happens, everyone has it could still
go crazy, but everyone is a little more. They're kind
of ahead of the thing. They know what to expect,
and if it becomes as bad as they are worried about,
they have a plan. They know sort of what to do.
They're ahead of what could be happening. Maybe, but if
the other version of the event is something happens without warning,
or something happens and maybe local executives were in denial
and did not prepare, whether that's the mayor or it's
the sheriff or the police chief, like, oh, this thing's
gonna happenh it'd be too expensive to stage ahead of time,
or ah, like we don't want to. Maybe police presidence
would just make it worse, which it might. So if
something happens in that case and I think the well
I won't refer to specifics again, might bloom my cover.
But if something happens, it's sort of with war, either
without warning or because no one was prepared on purpose
or no one likes stage at a time, it kind
of goes off like a police call. That's that's spinning
out of control, like a normal one. Like you know,
unit gets the we have this thing happening here. Oh
what is it where? Ohthough, okay, first you know it
gets there. Oh man, we need everybody. This is crazy.
There's you know, in the case of a riot. Oh
there's a riot. It's like we got like fifty people
smashing stuff. More people are coming and smashing stuff. Send
to every unit there is, you know, So then between
zero and ten minutes, I don't know, there's a handful
of people to define it. It depends on your area. It
depends ho many cops are in your area, depends how
population your area, It depends on traffic. Oh, you know,
all this stuff is variable, you know, and like within
ten minutes, probably a helicopter you could get there. If
you have a helicopter that's near your area, you know,
going ahead, Ha's gone. Oh. More and more agencies have
drones now, which are great. Drones can and our guys
could have drones. Drones let they basically let you look
down as long as it is not like smoke or
like weird weather things in your way. You can look
down at an event like you're in a game like
here's them, here's us. We can move our people like
it's a little strategy game, like it's command and conquer.
But so but like if the event is kind of
ahead of the response, it's everyone just kind of trickling
over there, and the first person is in charge until
someone will higher rank tags them out, and then so
on and so forth. But if something is sort of
spinning out of control, the people getting there have to
figure out sort of what's happening and figure out what
they're going to do and try to like organize the
resources they have all at once. That's really hard. So
mutual aid between agencies in a region. We train with
other agencies that are sort of adjacent to our areas,
and we train at least once quarterly, and it's usually
again like stacking up for a skirmish line for riot
kind of things, and not just you know, not just
our guys and our ride gear. But do we have
like armored vehicles, Do we have motorcycles that can move information?
Can we move police vehicles for like a rescue? We do?
We train for those kinds of things at least it
would be better probably to do it once a month.
But we train with our with ourselves and with our
like middle leadership, like sergeant lieutenants that whatever. And because
our leadership are kind of middle officer types, they are
responsible for us, you know, like the military, they're responsible
for a little unit of people, and you know, the
orders go down and we're going to you know, make
lines across this intersection, this intersection. Quick communication both like
out loud yelling, you know, sounding off and like yelling
and your people to do stuff amidst probably you know,
in a right like a lot of noise, but also
electronic communications how fast and efficient and clear is your
electronic communications describing what's going on, so that the people
who haven't gotten there yet have they have the least
catching up to do necessary once they get there, because
if someone's like doesn't know what's going on, they can't
do anything. You know, the the DA loop, the observe,
orient decide, act, that kind of loop of like a
person kind of seeing something and then reacting to it properly,
speeding that up as best as possible and also interrupting
your enemies ooda loop. That's you know, basic tactics. But
the kind of bottom line with mutual aid is if
you train and you know what to do, and particularly
if you see an event coming, if you stage ahead
of time and talk about what your plan might be,
then even if things go differently, and they almost certainly will,
that structure will help you. And also if your local
executives again you or your fire chief, your your police chief,
your your mayor, if they are at odds, that will
be very dangerous and delay action when something bad happens.
But if they have a good communication, if they have
a good relationship and they and they can if they
can agree, they can get on the same page quickly,
then that is a service to the guys actually doing
stuff like I'm on the skirmmers line. Now what if
they're if they don't know now what then then it's
really dangerous. So again, if you're if your local situation,
and again, but are bring it just to our guys
your chapters, Like is your leadership structure clear? Do you
know who's in charge of what? Do you know what
everyone has if they're going to show up on game day?
And can you plan and the next you on that plan?
And can you train and train to help each other
and help kind of adjacent groups or adjacent groups within
your in your town. Can you help law enforcement? I
mean again, there's opportunities for if you have a good
relationship with law enforcement in your area and they can
count on you to help, well, then they're going to
be more positive disposed towards your thing, towards your people.
You're there to help, You're not there to mess with them.
Then everyone can just do their thing and just act.
And then once you're done acting, everyone be like, Wow,
that went really good. Cool, shake hands, see you next time.
That's really neat. I'd like to talk about part three now, actually,
but we have time.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, jump into talking about fusion centers,
because this is probably the one most people, even those
of us who have done deep dives into law enforcement,
have no real knowledge of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again part of I think the biggest reason
I wrote this is because of Stormy talking about these things. Yeah,
So the fusion center that sort of governed your region
has law enforcement people almost certainly from either your agency
it's local to you, or maybe like a bigger one
who's not so close to you. But like, there are
local law enforcement people who are at desks at this
fusion center and they are talking with working with not
only other law enforcement types from your region, but you know,
name your FEDS, probably DHS, almost certainly FBI and whatever else.
But the fusion centers are sort of branded as state funded,
and I guess they're technically state funded, but they are
an appendage of DHS. And the pretense for these things
was the regime narrative about how nine to eleven was
allowed to happen. There was insufficient sharing of intel between agencies. Well,
just carry that to its conclusion. You don't just want
intel sharing between agencies at the federal level. You want
intel sharing between the federal agencies and your local agencies,
and not just intel sharing, but like cooperation, and I
mean local law enforcement is happy to receive money from
the FEDS. And I'm almost positive that local law enforcement
receives money from the FEDS in exchange for doing these
DHS kind of terrorism and cyber trainings, basically training local
cops to report suspicious activity, which is super vague. They
can do a suspicious activity report if they think someone
might be an in cell type, or if they think
you're a white supremacist, if they see a patch you're wearing,
or if they see a poster in your house when
they just say hello for something else, or if you're
a little too flamboyant about you know, your extreme radicalism,
they might be like, I have no crime here, but
I'm going to write a star and get it to
the desk of whatever local law enforcement or FED is
at my local fusion center. That's kind of where it starts,
and I'm sure if it gets really serious again, it
goes up to the federal level, goes their FED off
where FED and there are Homeland Security offices as well.
They're around, there's FBI offices around, but these fusion centers
is that membrane. It's between local law enforcement and federal
law enforcement, and the they conduct these trainings and I'm
growing the piece the basic kind of terrorism and cointer
terrorism training and cyber security training. It's mostly directing local
law enforcement types too, if they have something like that,
to write a good report about it and pass it
up the chain, not just through their agency, but to
loop in the fusion center person, whether it's an analyst
who gets it to whether it's you know, a law
law enforcement officer or deputy at the desk. They can
bring those federal resources. And in the case of cyber security,
you know, someone could have someone could get like hacked
or get scammed and some international piece of shit could
you know, have tons of money like insane, a gobs
of you know, of money. They just are are crypto,
they've stolen and you need federal resources possibly you know,
international federal you know, innerpol resources to maybe stop that
that you know, that that scam or that cybercrime. So
there's there's good reasons why. There's like you know, good
for regular people reasons why this works, like oh, this
person got scanned when yesterday, oh man, we might be
able to stop this cool perfectly reasonable, but same thing,
but that same system, that same kind of like muscle
memory of oh, this is a thing where I pass
it up the chain in the same way i'd pass
a homicide up the chain. Like I'm not a homicide detective,
So if I have a dead body and it seems
like maybe a homicide, well then my job is the
kind of regular guy on the street is okay, I
need to just like make sure this scene doesn't get
disturbed and sit on it and record who comes and goes,
but pass it up the chain to the homicide detective. Well,
if you're maybe an extremists and the cop things you are,
then they might or a civilian who notices some libtard
neighbor or whoever, they might just write usar about you,
and it gets to the desk and a lot of
them come in because anyone again, like anything, people can
just write these things from anywhere, by the way, So
the person on the desk is sifting through this stuff
and they might be like, another freaking crazy person, this
is nothing, you know, close it, close it, close it,
close it. But they might go, huhh okay, I've heard
about this person before. Okay, let's take a look and
the trainings again, Breck at this this it's hard to
avoid the current moment with you know, the assassinations took
place the as far as I know now at this moment,
in late twenty twenty five, the trainings for terrorism kind
of terrorism is still the sort of regime libtarded, anti
fascist line of oh, we're very very concerned about white
supremacist violence, and oh Antifa, Oh I've heard of them,
but oh uh, that's uh. Individuals are committing crimes and
they can arrested for righteous behavior. But like, there's no
headquarters of Antifa. There's no like club you can you know,
have your club card of so like that. I don't know,
I don't know. But Antiva that's weird. You know, they
basically pretend like Antifa isn't real, And that's quite annoying
for again, not even awake people like me, but just
like regular LA enforcement types who are like not libtards,
there's like why what, like you're why are you pretending
this isn't real? We just saw them burn this place
down five years ago, like what? And it's again, these
a lot of these like FBI analyst types are living
in living in a world made of paper and paper
delivered to them by you know, people we know the enemy.
So it's possible that the recent events and this current
administration at least elements within it, it's possible they will
start training local law enforcement to antivot types or these
trenisary types as seriously more seriously than this like pretend
white supremacist Google they've invented that's not real. But I
wouldn't be too optimistic about them doing it because even
if they change the PowerPoint deck until they swap out
the people, the people who are annoyed by your Fourth
Amendment rights, who like they'll do anything they can to
try to like place your activity in an international terrorist
frame so they can then use international terrorist machinery at
that that aer a level to spy on you. Until
those people get swapped out with people who are more
our kind of people. I just don't foresee the training changing.
So again, the Fusion centers, to the best of their ability,
are turning local law enforcement people into tiny little microphones,
tiny little little magnifying glasses, and tiny little guns that
do the bidding of the Feds if they can manage it.
And again, every individual law enforcer is their own person.
They have to you know, have their own sort of
moral decisions about what they enforce and don't enforce and
notice and not notice. And every leadership structure is different.
You know, Some some sheriffs, some chiefs are like based
and so glad that they're based. Some are politicians literally politicians.
They want to get re elected. If they're a sheriff,
who's who's the voting constituency? Who do they have to
appeal to? You know? And and again a sheriff has
to get re elected, that's its own sort of minefield.
A police chief gets appointed or fired by their executive
so they have to please one person who might be
a total lived hard. So just you have to know
what the incentives are and how much your local law
enforcers are cooperating with this system that definitely exists. It
definitely is like they could be submitting stars if they
see stuff, if they feel like being mister gung ho
anti fascist, they could be doing that. So that's I mean,
the incentive of that is again, if you know your
local cops, they might turn on you like that. They
might not, but just know that, like there's someone at
your local level or maybe a town or two over,
maybe who works at that desk or has worked at
that desk and has a nice relationship and likes the
pat on the head, likes helping the Feds, and like,
like I said, with the cyber thing, there are upsides
to this. Again, the DHS ice has been stalking the
land like avenging angels, and some local police chiefs where
I am are exasperated because these guys are popping up
and just grabbing people and driving away and not telling anyone.
And if one of our people pull someone over and
oh there's a little uh, maybe there's a little uh
illegal reentry thing here. Oh it's not a criminal warrant,
but like, what's going on? Called call the number. Hey DHS,
I call this number. What's happening with this guy? And like, oh, hey,
just just to stay puit Just wait, what do you mean?
I will send someone okay to what oh you to
like arrest them and deport them. Oh great, cool, I'd
be great. And sometimes not all the time, but sometimes
when they do that, they scrub the whole event from
the records, like no, no, this stop never happened. Your
bodycm footage is deleted like by and like again that's
cool when it's someone I would like to be not
in my country. But they can just do that, I
can just reach down and make events go away. But
that's also again a perverse white pill in a way.
Like even your local law enforcers, if they have a
mind too, they can make stuff go away. And if
they're on your team, well then good. That's kind of
the point of of the piece.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the people may hear, oh, you know, the my
local law enforcement has direct access to the FEDS, and
you know, Donald Trump's president, now, so that means that yeah,
everything now, No, there's people working in the federal government
who are regime, you know, the one hundred year old
one hundred plus year old regime aligned. They just haven't
been removed yet and probably will not be. So you
can't just assume, oh, these guys are you know, they're
they're getting information about my enemies. No, you might be
the enemy. It reminds me of Trevor Aronson's book The
Terror Factory, where he basically detailed how the FBI created
all of these terror attacks in the United States just
so that they could solve them. They had radicalized some
retard arm seam had a where he go to buy
bomb bomb parts and stuff like that and then arrest
them and you know, and then at the end and
you're like, wow, this is amazing information about the FBI.
And then you get to the end of it and
you're like, Okay, who did who told Trevor Aronson to
write this book, because in the last chapter he complains that, yeah,
they're they're targeting these poor brown people who came here
from other countries, But what they really should be worrying
about is the rising white supremacy and how violent they're
going to be.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's just regime brain. That's just regime brain. You know,
they are, they're willing into existence the uh their nightmares
in a way.
Speaker 1: I mean it's literally like, yeah, the fire department, fire
department going around and setting fires so that they have
something to do, and then getting someone to write an
an article or write a book about how the fire
department was doing this. But you really have to worry
about white supremacists because they're the ones who are the arsonists.
Speaker 2: That's incumbent upon again in US US and our thing again,
it's incumbent. Just it's a it's a reminder, a small sidebar. Yeah,
there's definitely analysts like watching us on social media and
et cetera, and a lot of them think we're funny.
So just keep on guys. You might be radicalizing your
FBI guy like like the meme. So there's that. But
I mean it's incumbent on us. Yeah, we want to
have fun and this thing is exciting, but it's dangerous.
And also, like this event that just happened is an
opportunity for Again, we're not We're not Jovah's witnesses, as
Thomas says, but there are people who might be like
elites and waiting who are open to the open for business,
Like who do who do I? I'm I'm the team
I was on is getting it's butt whipped? What team
do I need to be on to not get me
butt whipped? And if we're conducting ourselves, you know, in
a civilized, heterosexual Caucasian manner, then maybe maybe those people
will want to be in our thing and help us
or at least not hurt us.
Speaker 1: All right, makes sense? Man? I know you got to
you got a heart out, and I got a heart out,
So I just wanted to take the time to thank
you for writing that. I mean, it's pretty Uh, very informative,
a lot a lot more information in there than than
I was expecting. And you know, for those who haven't
done deep dives on exactly how the police work, they'll
it'll be a good primer for them, uh, with good uh,
with good instructions on how to deal with that if
you have to. And then also these fusion centers to
just understand that, yeah, we're not out of the woods.
If you're somebody who you know, is you know, one
of our guys, you're out of the woods and your
local you know, there are local police who may be
getting radicalized to worry about people like you and you know,
hopefully not but potentially target you. So yeah, I appreciate it, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so glad to be on here. Very honored and
great too to talk with you. P. It's wonderful. It's
it's all. This whole thing is scary about it now
you take Yeah, it's scary, but it's uh, it's it's important.
You know, this whole thing is important. It's and it's
practical matters. So glad to help.
Speaker 1: Well, you're you're very intelligent man, and you know what
you're talking about. So I mean, it's all you have
to do is basically, tell your story and tell and
talk about what you know and yeah, usually things go smooth,
all right, take care, thank you, Thanks Pete,