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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. Sources

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are reporting to People Magazine that there has been confirmation

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that Brian Coberger was trying to contact one of the

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roommates via Instagram. Now, for me, that certainly tracks considering

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we've talked about how Brian Coberger was following Maddie and

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Kaylee on Instagram. According to those early Brian Coberger social

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media accounts before it became you know, a story that

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blew up, the account that was registered to Brian Coberger

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certainly showed that it was following Kaylee and Madison. So

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getting this information from a source really doesn't sound like

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it's that far fetched, to be honest with you. Now,

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of course, keep in mind that this information is from

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an unnamed source, but a lot of times what you'll

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see is people who have worked close to the case

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who might not be working on it anymore. Well, they

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might have a few things to say as far as

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being an anonymous source for the media, and we've seen

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that in several different cases. We've seen it down in

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Delphi as well. It was a source who told us

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about Keegan Klein, about the search of the Wilbash River

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and about some of the other stuff that was going

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on behind the scenes. So I would definitely expect some

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leaks in this case as well. Now are they going

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to come fast and furious? I doubt it. But according

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to this source, Brian Coohberger sent a DM or multiple

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dms to at least one of these roommates leading up

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to the days that they were murdered. So let's dive

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into this article from Daily Mail and let's see exactly

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what's going on headline. Idaho murder suspect Brian Colberger is

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accused of messaging female victim on Instagram weeks before killings

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and pestered her with more dms when he didn't get

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a reply. This article was authored by Hope Sloop. Idaho

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murder suspect Brian Coberger allegedly messaged one of the female

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victims weeks before the quadruples slaying and sent more direct

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messages after she ignored him speaking with people. One police

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source said, Coburger twenty eight reached out to one of

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the four University of Idaho's students slain over Instagram repeatedly

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in an attempt to get her attention. And now again, folks, look,

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this is coming from an anonymous source so it's not

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like it is concrete evidence this definitely happened. But in

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my experience, usually when you hear a source like this,

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or information that's coming from a source that says they're

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close to what's going on, chances are you're gonna get

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some good information. Now does that mean it's always going

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to be spot on, of course not, But with all

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of the other stuff that we know, and the fact

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that Coburger was following them on Instagram, it would make

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sense that he tries to get their attention. Right now,

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I guess you can make the counter argument that if

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he planned on hurting them, he would never reach out

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to them and leave that evidence of contact between the two.

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But after we saw the crime scene in Moscow and

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all of the evidence left there, I guess it wouldn't

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be too surprising to see digital footprints of evidence as well.

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He slid into one of the girls dms several times,

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but she didn't respond. The source told people basically it

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was just him saying, hey, how are you? But he

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did it again and again, and now could that have

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enraged him more and led him to carry out whatever

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fucked up fantasy he was harboring. Who knows? But if

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this source is to be believed, then this is another

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tie that binds, right, another one of those foundational blocks

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that we were talking about. It is unknown at this

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time which student Coburger sent Instagram messages to or who

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the investigator familiar with the cases that spoke to the magazine.

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The source also didn't say whether the woman Coburger allegedly

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messaged deliberately ignored him, or if the message he sent

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went into her requested folder from people she wasn't friends with.

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Those messages don't appear as alerts and are harder to see.

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So I'm sure most of you are familiar with how

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that works, right, Somebody that you're not friends with or

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whatever on Instagram sends you a message, it goes to

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that request folder, and most of us, well people like

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me anyway, who hardly use social media, I very rarely

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check that. But you would think that somebody who's on

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social media all the time, like college kids are, that

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they would check that folder, right, I mean, you would

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think it would make sense. So if so and she

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did check it, did she leave it on red and

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just not respond? Very possible. Idaho victim Kaylee Gonsalves is

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said to have complained of a stalker in the run

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up to the killings, but it's unclear if there's any

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link between this and or murder. And you know, we've

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talked a lot about Kaylee being the intended target. And

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I'll tell you, the more I think about it, the

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more I have to say that it's possible that it

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was Madison and not kay Lee. With Kaylee not living

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there anymore? Did he not think that she was going

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to be there when he went there that night? And

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then again I flip back and forth and say to myself, well,

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he was casing the joint out, wouldn't he have known?

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So it's one of those cases where it's very, very

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difficult to really put your finger on what went down,

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or what would motivate something like this to go down,

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or who even the intended target was. So with so

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many unknowns, all were left with are the few pieces

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that have been left here on the puzzle board. Coberger,

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a PhD criminology student at Washington State University, was arrested

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at his family home in all Brightsville, Pennsylvania, on December thirtieth.

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He has maintained his innocence in the stabbings of Kaylee Gonsalvez,

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Madison Mogan, Ethan Chapin, and Xana Kernodle. Now, one local

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law enforcement official close to the case says the evidence

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against Coburger is continuing to pile up. No shit, I mean,

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did people really think that they didn't have a ton

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of evidence behind the scenes. Once we saw that probable cause,

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Avid David, I knew right away that old boy was

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up against it. You don't have that kind of strong

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evidence in and a probable cause, Avid David very often.

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And when you see that kind of language, the strong language,

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the evidence that was presented, you know they're working with

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something behind the scenes that's going to be devastating for

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the accused. And I have no doubt that that is

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Brian Coburger's future for sure. The Instagram account in question

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was viewed by people prior to having been taken down.

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Coberger allegedly followed Mogan, Gonsalvez, and kern Odle, He did

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not publicly interact with their accounts otherwise, the outlet states.

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In alleged messages sent from the now deleted Instagram, Coburger

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appeared to be hoping to get the attention of the

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victim he was targeting now, I wasn't sure that he

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was following Xana. I didn't see that with my own eyes,

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But I did see that he was following Kaylee, and

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he was following Madison for sure. And I've talked about

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that previously, and when he was first arrested and we

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were talking about it, and I saw that, I knew

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that it would be significant down the road. When they

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kept building this profile of them and they continued with

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the foundational blocks, eventually they'll get to a point where

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they're really diving in. And I'm guessing that's what's going

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on right now as we speak up in Moscow and

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in these crime labs. The victim, whose identity has not

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been confirmed, did not respond to the messages for unknown reasons.

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The official who spoke with people, however, asserted the victim

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may have completely missed them. She may not have seen

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them because she went into message requests, the source said

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of the messages. The dms were allegedly sent in October,

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just weeks before the November thirteenth murders, So look make

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of that what you will. I don't know what Brian

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Coolberger was thinking. I don't know if he was offended.

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I don't know if he was mad that nobody responded

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to him when he sent these dms. Allegedly could that coalition.

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When a person who an Instagram user does not follow

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back attempts to send a message, it goes to a

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designated folder called message requests. These requests are located in

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a different place than typical messages. The investigators said they

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are still trying to determine how aware the victims were

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of his existence. Yeah, that's going to be the million

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dollar question right now for the investigators. And if they

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can see that he had sent them a bunch of

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messages and they read them and they never responded, you

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can certainly make the case that maybe this is the

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stalker that Kaylee was talking about. So that's certainly something

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we have to keep in mind as well, because if

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you look at the dates October, just weeks before the

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November thirteenth murders, we know that Kaylee was complaining about

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a stalker for weeks, right at least that's what we

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have heard, So it certainly makes sense as far as

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the timeline goes. It's possible Coburger may have become upset

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by the lack of response, but that is just a

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theory of many presented by those who have been following

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the case. The investigator who spoke with people said, there's

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no indication of that. However, there's no indication that he

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was getting frustrated with their lack of response. The source said, well,

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just because there's no indication of that doesn't mean he

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wasn't bubbling under the surface. People like this, they're able

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to hide that rage, right. They have two different faces.

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The face that they wear out in public when they're

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standing next to you and your family in line at

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the movies, and then the face that they wear when

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they're murdering four people while they're in their bedrooms. Even

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without the indication of frustration, the source that Coburger was

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definitely persistent in the messages to the University of Idaho's student,

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though it has not been confirmed by police. Daily mail

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dot Com in December reported that Gonsalves in the weeks

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leading up to her death would beg friends to walk

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closely behind her at all times out of fear of

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a stalker who would follow her around town. It is

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still unknown if Gonsalves was the one who Coburger messaged,

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or if he had stalked her in any capacity A

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motive in the case has yet to be formally shared

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by Moscow, Idaho police. So again, folks, look, I don't

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know what happened here, and I haven't seen these dms

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with my own eyes, so I can't say to you

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for sure that those dms even happened. But according to

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this source, they say that Coburger was dming at least

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one of these girls. Then you hear that Kaylee had

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this stalker, and things start to fall into place. Right again,

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all circumstantial. But when you have this kind of circumstantial

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evidence and it adds up in the abundance that we

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have seen, well, a whole ass picture in HD starts

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to emerge. One of the surviving roommates, who was in

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the house on the night of the murders, told police

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she saw a figure clad in black clothing and a

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mask walking past her as they as they left the

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crime scene. According to the Probable Cause AFFI David, a

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knife sheath was recovered from the scene and tested against

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Coburger's father's DNA, which linked the Washington State University student

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to the crime. Investigators also traced his cell phone pings

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to a nearby tower in the weeks leading up to

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the brutal stabbings. However, some experts have noted that the

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proximity of Coburger's school to the off campus home where

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the victims lived as an explanation for the pings. Yeah,

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that's great. You can offer that up until you're blue

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in the face to the public, and you can make

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that case. But guess what, it's a whole different story

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when you're sitting in front of a jury and you

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have to make the case that he wasn't stalking them,

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or he wasn't the person who did this, when all

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of the evidence is telling a completely different story. Moscow

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isn't so far away from Washington State University, so it

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would be natural that there would be some of those

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towers that might ping, said David Wilson, a professor of criminology.

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There are just eight miles between Washington State Universities campus

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and Pullman, where Coburger studied, and Moscow, Idaho, where the

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murders took place. There will be a defense, Wilson said

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of the Coburger has not entered a plea, but he

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said he is eager to be exonerated. His next hearing

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is scheduled in June. He is also facing one count

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of felony burglary, and I wouldn't be shocked to see

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a superseded indictment at some point with them adding more

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charges depending on what else they find, because that's certainly

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something that is in their toolbox. They can supersede the indictment,

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add more charges and go from there if they find

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evidence of other crimes. So it's certainly something that might happen,

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all right, folks. So that should get us up to

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date on what's going on as far as the DM

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situation and with the alleged messaging by Brian Cohberger to

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at least one of the roommates that was murdered on

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