Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. Sources
are reporting to People Magazine that there has been confirmation
that Brian Coberger was trying to contact one of the
roommates via Instagram. Now, for me, that certainly tracks considering
we've talked about how Brian Coberger was following Maddie and
Kaylee on Instagram. According to those early Brian Coberger social
media accounts before it became you know, a story that
blew up, the account that was registered to Brian Coberger
certainly showed that it was following Kaylee and Madison. So
getting this information from a source really doesn't sound like
it's that far fetched, to be honest with you. Now,
of course, keep in mind that this information is from
an unnamed source, but a lot of times what you'll
see is people who have worked close to the case
who might not be working on it anymore. Well, they
might have a few things to say as far as
being an anonymous source for the media, and we've seen
that in several different cases. We've seen it down in
Delphi as well. It was a source who told us
about Keegan Klein, about the search of the Wilbash River
and about some of the other stuff that was going
on behind the scenes. So I would definitely expect some
leaks in this case as well. Now are they going
to come fast and furious? I doubt it. But according
to this source, Brian Coohberger sent a DM or multiple
dms to at least one of these roommates leading up
to the days that they were murdered. So let's dive
into this article from Daily Mail and let's see exactly
what's going on headline. Idaho murder suspect Brian Colberger is
accused of messaging female victim on Instagram weeks before killings
and pestered her with more dms when he didn't get
a reply. This article was authored by Hope Sloop. Idaho
murder suspect Brian Coberger allegedly messaged one of the female
victims weeks before the quadruples slaying and sent more direct
messages after she ignored him speaking with people. One police
source said, Coburger twenty eight reached out to one of
the four University of Idaho's students slain over Instagram repeatedly
in an attempt to get her attention. And now again, folks, look,
this is coming from an anonymous source so it's not
like it is concrete evidence this definitely happened. But in
my experience, usually when you hear a source like this,
or information that's coming from a source that says they're
close to what's going on, chances are you're gonna get
some good information. Now does that mean it's always going
to be spot on, of course not, But with all
of the other stuff that we know, and the fact
that Coburger was following them on Instagram, it would make
sense that he tries to get their attention. Right now,
I guess you can make the counter argument that if
he planned on hurting them, he would never reach out
to them and leave that evidence of contact between the two.
But after we saw the crime scene in Moscow and
all of the evidence left there, I guess it wouldn't
be too surprising to see digital footprints of evidence as well.
He slid into one of the girls dms several times,
but she didn't respond. The source told people basically it
was just him saying, hey, how are you? But he
did it again and again, and now could that have
enraged him more and led him to carry out whatever
fucked up fantasy he was harboring. Who knows? But if
this source is to be believed, then this is another
tie that binds, right, another one of those foundational blocks
that we were talking about. It is unknown at this
time which student Coburger sent Instagram messages to or who
the investigator familiar with the cases that spoke to the magazine.
The source also didn't say whether the woman Coburger allegedly
messaged deliberately ignored him, or if the message he sent
went into her requested folder from people she wasn't friends with.
Those messages don't appear as alerts and are harder to see.
So I'm sure most of you are familiar with how
that works, right, Somebody that you're not friends with or
whatever on Instagram sends you a message, it goes to
that request folder, and most of us, well people like
me anyway, who hardly use social media, I very rarely
check that. But you would think that somebody who's on
social media all the time, like college kids are, that
they would check that folder, right, I mean, you would
think it would make sense. So if so and she
did check it, did she leave it on red and
just not respond? Very possible. Idaho victim Kaylee Gonsalves is
said to have complained of a stalker in the run
up to the killings, but it's unclear if there's any
link between this and or murder. And you know, we've
talked a lot about Kaylee being the intended target. And
I'll tell you, the more I think about it, the
more I have to say that it's possible that it
was Madison and not kay Lee. With Kaylee not living
there anymore? Did he not think that she was going
to be there when he went there that night? And
then again I flip back and forth and say to myself, well,
he was casing the joint out, wouldn't he have known?
So it's one of those cases where it's very, very
difficult to really put your finger on what went down,
or what would motivate something like this to go down,
or who even the intended target was. So with so
many unknowns, all were left with are the few pieces
that have been left here on the puzzle board. Coberger,
a PhD criminology student at Washington State University, was arrested
at his family home in all Brightsville, Pennsylvania, on December thirtieth.
He has maintained his innocence in the stabbings of Kaylee Gonsalvez,
Madison Mogan, Ethan Chapin, and Xana Kernodle. Now, one local
law enforcement official close to the case says the evidence
against Coburger is continuing to pile up. No shit, I mean,
did people really think that they didn't have a ton
of evidence behind the scenes. Once we saw that probable cause,
Avid David, I knew right away that old boy was
up against it. You don't have that kind of strong
evidence in and a probable cause, Avid David very often.
And when you see that kind of language, the strong language,
the evidence that was presented, you know they're working with
something behind the scenes that's going to be devastating for
the accused. And I have no doubt that that is
Brian Coburger's future for sure. The Instagram account in question
was viewed by people prior to having been taken down.
Coberger allegedly followed Mogan, Gonsalvez, and kern Odle, He did
not publicly interact with their accounts otherwise, the outlet states.
In alleged messages sent from the now deleted Instagram, Coburger
appeared to be hoping to get the attention of the
victim he was targeting now, I wasn't sure that he
was following Xana. I didn't see that with my own eyes,
But I did see that he was following Kaylee, and
he was following Madison for sure. And I've talked about
that previously, and when he was first arrested and we
were talking about it, and I saw that, I knew
that it would be significant down the road. When they
kept building this profile of them and they continued with
the foundational blocks, eventually they'll get to a point where
they're really diving in. And I'm guessing that's what's going
on right now as we speak up in Moscow and
in these crime labs. The victim, whose identity has not
been confirmed, did not respond to the messages for unknown reasons.
The official who spoke with people, however, asserted the victim
may have completely missed them. She may not have seen
them because she went into message requests, the source said
of the messages. The dms were allegedly sent in October,
just weeks before the November thirteenth murders, So look make
of that what you will. I don't know what Brian
Coolberger was thinking. I don't know if he was offended.
I don't know if he was mad that nobody responded
to him when he sent these dms. Allegedly could that coalition.
When a person who an Instagram user does not follow
back attempts to send a message, it goes to a
designated folder called message requests. These requests are located in
a different place than typical messages. The investigators said they
are still trying to determine how aware the victims were
of his existence. Yeah, that's going to be the million
dollar question right now for the investigators. And if they
can see that he had sent them a bunch of
messages and they read them and they never responded, you
can certainly make the case that maybe this is the
stalker that Kaylee was talking about. So that's certainly something
we have to keep in mind as well, because if
you look at the dates October, just weeks before the
November thirteenth murders, we know that Kaylee was complaining about
a stalker for weeks, right at least that's what we
have heard, So it certainly makes sense as far as
the timeline goes. It's possible Coburger may have become upset
by the lack of response, but that is just a
theory of many presented by those who have been following
the case. The investigator who spoke with people said, there's
no indication of that. However, there's no indication that he
was getting frustrated with their lack of response. The source said, well,
just because there's no indication of that doesn't mean he
wasn't bubbling under the surface. People like this, they're able
to hide that rage, right. They have two different faces.
The face that they wear out in public when they're
standing next to you and your family in line at
the movies, and then the face that they wear when
they're murdering four people while they're in their bedrooms. Even
without the indication of frustration, the source that Coburger was
definitely persistent in the messages to the University of Idaho's student,
though it has not been confirmed by police. Daily mail
dot Com in December reported that Gonsalves in the weeks
leading up to her death would beg friends to walk
closely behind her at all times out of fear of
a stalker who would follow her around town. It is
still unknown if Gonsalves was the one who Coburger messaged,
or if he had stalked her in any capacity A
motive in the case has yet to be formally shared
by Moscow, Idaho police. So again, folks, look, I don't
know what happened here, and I haven't seen these dms
with my own eyes, so I can't say to you
for sure that those dms even happened. But according to
this source, they say that Coburger was dming at least
one of these girls. Then you hear that Kaylee had
this stalker, and things start to fall into place. Right again,
all circumstantial. But when you have this kind of circumstantial
evidence and it adds up in the abundance that we
have seen, well, a whole ass picture in HD starts
to emerge. One of the surviving roommates, who was in
the house on the night of the murders, told police
she saw a figure clad in black clothing and a
mask walking past her as they as they left the
crime scene. According to the Probable Cause AFFI David, a
knife sheath was recovered from the scene and tested against
Coburger's father's DNA, which linked the Washington State University student
to the crime. Investigators also traced his cell phone pings
to a nearby tower in the weeks leading up to
the brutal stabbings. However, some experts have noted that the
proximity of Coburger's school to the off campus home where
the victims lived as an explanation for the pings. Yeah,
that's great. You can offer that up until you're blue
in the face to the public, and you can make
that case. But guess what, it's a whole different story
when you're sitting in front of a jury and you
have to make the case that he wasn't stalking them,
or he wasn't the person who did this, when all
of the evidence is telling a completely different story. Moscow
isn't so far away from Washington State University, so it
would be natural that there would be some of those
towers that might ping, said David Wilson, a professor of criminology.
There are just eight miles between Washington State Universities campus
and Pullman, where Coburger studied, and Moscow, Idaho, where the
murders took place. There will be a defense, Wilson said
of the Coburger has not entered a plea, but he
said he is eager to be exonerated. His next hearing
is scheduled in June. He is also facing one count
of felony burglary, and I wouldn't be shocked to see
a superseded indictment at some point with them adding more
charges depending on what else they find, because that's certainly
something that is in their toolbox. They can supersede the indictment,
add more charges and go from there if they find
evidence of other crimes. So it's certainly something that might happen,
all right, folks. So that should get us up to
date on what's going on as far as the DM
situation and with the alleged messaging by Brian Cohberger to
at least one of the roommates that was murdered on
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