Speaker 1: That time time to make a change. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're listening to Truth Towns out corner. It wasn't need
Speaker 1: to turn out, Doc, you are in studio today.
Speaker 2: I'm in this consecrated place.
Speaker 3: This is Davis's place KB l A fifteen eighty, the
Speaker 3: Joccoline's side of Los Angeles with all these wonderful ones.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at mind, I'm looking at brother Mohammed for
Speaker 3: Rocke and Tavis. And we got the one and only
Speaker 3: Jesse Jackson Junior in the house with his magnificent companion
Speaker 3: sister Jane Jenny.
Speaker 2: So that we uh we we find out. Let me
Speaker 2: put it that way.
Speaker 1: I know you guys got a big event going on tonight.
Speaker 1: Kind I'm kind of feeling left out of the party, Doc.
Speaker 4: I want you here, you ship in spirit and spear it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well, it's gonna be a wonderful, tremendous
Speaker 1: four year anniversary celebration wrapping in June teeth. So if
Speaker 1: you are in the LA area, you do not want
Speaker 1: to miss this. Please please please register. Doc understand that
Speaker 1: climate discussions are going to be happening at the same time,
Speaker 1: as well as collecting gift cards to be passed out
Speaker 1: or to be given to to support the families of
Speaker 1: the Altadena fire.
Speaker 4: It is never ever, no amount is too small.
Speaker 1: Please make sure if you're coming to participate in the celebration,
Speaker 1: if you got a little bit of something to spare,
Speaker 1: please share it with the families of Alta, Dina. And
Speaker 1: that is what makes KBLA Talk fifteen eighty so special
Speaker 1: because Tavis Smiley, mister Smiley, the CEO, the president, he
Speaker 1: always make sure that the community is taken care of
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Dot that's exactly right.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's able to always bring together the spiritual
Speaker 3: and the social or political and the personal, the economics
Speaker 3: es eistential, keeping love and justice at the center of it,
Speaker 3: but also beauty, humor, style and irreducible smile.
Speaker 1: That part, and how blessed y'all are, blessed, blessed, blessed
Speaker 1: to have all that power in one place, all that
Speaker 1: consciousness in one place. And speaking of consciousness, doctor, we
Speaker 1: got to continue our conversation.
Speaker 4: You know, things are still grewing up about this war.
Speaker 1: There's some bipartisanship with purpose happening right now, which we
Speaker 1: love to see it. We know our very own John Nichols,
Speaker 1: who's a contributor to The Tavis Smiley Show, wrote an
Speaker 1: epic and beautiful piece. Well, he always writes magnificant, magnificant,
Speaker 1: magnificent lea, so maybe epic is all the time for
Speaker 1: brother John Nichols. But he wrote an article titled the
Speaker 1: US should not support Israel's war on Iran, says Democrats
Speaker 1: and Republicans, which we know is rare doctor have bipartisanship
Speaker 1: with ubstance, And then you know, America is at a turney,
Speaker 1: at a terrifying turning point, and there's no going back
Speaker 1: this article in the New Republic that you know it's
Speaker 1: been even though today mark ten years since you know,
Speaker 1: the tragedy, or we'll talk about that. But then you
Speaker 1: and I we talked about Mother Emanuel just kind of
Speaker 1: briefly yesterday. And there's an article that really lays out
Speaker 1: a point that you made, Doc, which is black people
Speaker 1: tend to focus so much on forgiveness. And there are
Speaker 1: some residents in Charleston, South Carolina who are basically saying
Speaker 1: they focus so much on forgiveness that a real hate
Speaker 1: crime bill has not passed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can never allow the status quote to use
Speaker 3: your rich spirituality to Trump and trunk Kate. Your need
Speaker 3: for public policy, yeah, you need both. You don't want
Speaker 3: people to reduce the love and soul to just revenge.
Speaker 3: But on the other hand, you got to have public policy,
Speaker 3: you got to have a change in laws, and you
Speaker 3: got to have a fundamental transformation in the system, in
Speaker 3: the system itself.
Speaker 2: And I think that's one of the.
Speaker 3: Things that we have been blessed to always talk about
Speaker 3: on Truth Time that in the end, we're not just
Speaker 3: talking about personalities. We're talking about systems. We're talking about
Speaker 3: structures of domination. You're talking about forms of power that
Speaker 3: or work through institutions that shape people. And that's why
Speaker 3: you need collective action. That's why you need solidarity that
Speaker 3: connects us to what's going on in Gods or in
Speaker 3: South Africa, in Sudan, in Gualemala, in Haiti, in Jamaica.
Speaker 2: In Los Angeles, in Harlem, New York.
Speaker 3: Now, of course I want to send a strong shout
Speaker 3: out to my big level that wife and I heat
Speaker 3: that right there in hallm She's in New York, I'm
Speaker 3: here in l A And of course she's got precious
Speaker 3: relatives in Iran and were pulling in praying and hoping
Speaker 3: that none of those vicious bombs drop on any one
Speaker 3: of her relatives. And of course we were concerned about
Speaker 3: missiles dropping on any human beings. But family is a
Speaker 3: very very special thing, and that it's something that you
Speaker 3: always have a special focus.
Speaker 1: On, no doubt about. A charity does start at home
Speaker 1: and spread abroad. So there's nothing wrong with saying my
Speaker 1: family and your family too. That's how we roll it
Speaker 1: and listening to the truth toil with doctor cornell Us and
Speaker 1: Nina Turner. When we come forward, we'll continue our conversation
Speaker 1: about this brewing war, whether or not the United States
Speaker 1: should get in it, whether or not Congress showing up
Speaker 1: finally because they've abjucated their responsibility to be a coequal
Speaker 1: branch of government for far too long, whether or not
Speaker 1: it means anything, and what about the fact that families
Speaker 1: saying that South Carolina focused so much on forgiveness that
Speaker 1: they didn't get to the hate crime law.
Speaker 4: When we come forward, we trued ourselves first, proposed to
Speaker 4: be true to.
Speaker 1: Anybody else sact, and we were coming forward, we were
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, this impending war, whether or not
Speaker 1: the United States is gonna jump in fro a frontal
Speaker 1: whether or not President Donald J. Trump is going to
Speaker 1: try to usurp the authority of the Congress. I'm glad
Speaker 1: to see some Congress members really fighting back, and there
Speaker 1: are people out there making it known that, especially if
Speaker 1: there's any Democrat that is seeking to run for president
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight, if they have not spoken out
Speaker 1: about this impending American jumping into this America jumping into
Speaker 1: this war, that that basically they not worthy to run
Speaker 1: or to be considered. They can run all they want,
Speaker 1: but they shouldn't be considered. And my god, do I
Speaker 1: agree with that. I want to rap back around the
Speaker 1: doctor Anahita real quick. You know, she did send us
Speaker 1: a kind of geographic breakdown of Iran. You know, many
Speaker 1: people have never been there. The closest I'm probably ever
Speaker 1: gonna get is through somebody like doctor Anahita and others
Speaker 1: that I know who have relatives from that country. But
Speaker 1: landed out that it is a multi ethnic population of
Speaker 1: over ninety two million people, and that it ranks seventeenth
Speaker 1: globally in both geographic size and population, and it is
Speaker 1: the sixth largest country and one of the world's most
Speaker 1: mountainous countries with thirty one provinces and Tehran is the
Speaker 1: capital and largest city. Iran hosts one of the largest
Speaker 1: refuge and I think a lot of people either didn't
Speaker 1: know this or forgot. I know I had forgotten, but
Speaker 1: Iran hosts one of the largest refugee populations with almost
Speaker 1: one million, mostly from Afghanistan, Iraq and Iraq in Iraq,
Speaker 1: So I mean, wow, no.
Speaker 3: That's that's that's a huge country with a very rich history,
Speaker 3: of course, going back to Persian uh civilization, which is
Speaker 3: one of the great civilizations, very much like Egypt, very
Speaker 3: much like Greece, very much like India and so forth.
Speaker 3: So they're they're not people to play with now. They
Speaker 3: have their own structures of domination, you know. And he
Speaker 3: didn't understand in deep solidarity with the woman like Free
Speaker 3: Them movement, where the Molas there in Iran have been
Speaker 3: subjecting them to domination. But no nation has the right
Speaker 3: to violate the sovereignty, security and integrity of another nation.
Speaker 3: That's what an invasion is. And when you drop bombs
Speaker 3: on other people's land and killing other people, that is
Speaker 3: a violation of their sovereignty. So they would each nation
Speaker 3: saying it has a right to exist. Every nation, every
Speaker 3: people have a right to exist, just not certain peoples.
Speaker 2: You see what I mean. And we've seen this two
Speaker 2: thousand and three with Iraq. Have we seen evidence of
Speaker 2: a war a weapon of destruction? Have we seen evidence
Speaker 2: of a nuclear bomb?
Speaker 3: No, not at all. Just those nine countries that we
Speaker 3: talked about before in the whole world have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 3: North Korea has fewer than anybody else with fifty, Israel
Speaker 3: got ninety, never admits it, no US president will admit it.
Speaker 2: And then you got the other.
Speaker 3: Seven Pakistan, India, Germany, France, England, Russia has more than
Speaker 3: anybody and we are second twelve thousand.
Speaker 2: In the world.
Speaker 3: We need to eliminate all of them in the name
Speaker 3: of Jesus, eliminade each and every one of them. But
Speaker 3: if we can't, then the question becomes what are the
Speaker 3: conditions under which people even talk about nuclear weapons and
Speaker 3: going to get nuclear weapons? And how did South Africa
Speaker 3: get its nuclear weapons under apartheid, under the most vicious
Speaker 3: barbaric system, treating black people like we less than human. Well,
Speaker 3: they got a lot of cooperation from other nations, including Israel.
Speaker 2: Why they is so interesting?
Speaker 3: Making sure they had a weapon, but Iran can't have
Speaker 3: a weapon. Oh but South African drop it on us
Speaker 3: on black people. Yeah, Iran, they think want to drop
Speaker 3: it on Jews. Both of those options barbaric. But it's
Speaker 3: also barbaric to facilitate genocide. It's barbaric to engage in
Speaker 3: ethnic cleansing. It's barbaric to invade and violate other people's
Speaker 3: sovereign tee.
Speaker 2: We have to be morally consistent.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's that's that's those are the words for today.
Speaker 1: Moral consistent. Cy say that fifty times.
Speaker 4: Really fast, you know.
Speaker 1: And what you know, my grandma, if she were allowed,
Speaker 1: she would say more more nerve than the brass a
Speaker 1: monkey which reports out of Israel. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was Yahoo who said it or one of the
Speaker 1: people in his leadership team that said that, I ran
Speaker 1: across the red line. And I'm thinking to myself, wow, wow,
Speaker 1: So I ran across the red line. But you guys
Speaker 1: haven't crossed the red line. And what you're doing to
Speaker 1: the Palestinians and got that is not.
Speaker 3: A red line. Ethnic clinic not a red line. Right then,
Speaker 3: occupation is not a red line.
Speaker 1: Come on, come, But I ran oh, they crossed the
Speaker 1: red line.
Speaker 4: I'm just taking lord.
Speaker 3: But the thing is, I mean, you know, but they
Speaker 3: we have to always be mindful of the charge of
Speaker 3: being anti Semites, and we say no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: anti Jewish is just as evil and sick as anti
Speaker 3: black hatred, anti Jewish hatred, anti black hatred, anti white hatred,
Speaker 3: and that indigenous people's hatred. All of those are species
Speaker 3: of spiritual sickness and moral pathology.
Speaker 2: But we're going to be morally consistent.
Speaker 3: So we're not going to close our eyes to the
Speaker 3: gangster activity of Nathan Yahoo. Are close our eyes to
Speaker 3: the kind of tear and trauma that the idea has
Speaker 3: been inflicting on Palestinians and now extending it to the
Speaker 3: Iranians already in the past with Lebanese and Syrians. How
Speaker 3: do we come up with a world where moral consistency
Speaker 3: can get a.
Speaker 1: Footho right and and any type of hatred is wrong,
Speaker 1: so absolutely, and we got to continuously reinforce that because
Speaker 1: there are some who are just really conflating what anti
Speaker 1: Semitism really is.
Speaker 4: And that's hurtful too.
Speaker 1: And you have we have Jewish colleagues who believe what
Speaker 1: we believe that some of these folks are going too
Speaker 1: far anti Semitism, anti blackness, you know, just hating and
Speaker 1: wanting to put violence on people. Because it's one thing
Speaker 1: to hate. I mean, you could hate and take no action.
Speaker 1: But if your hatred leads you to action that injures
Speaker 1: other people that's right and or their property, you know
Speaker 1: you are wrong. So yeah, that we are always morally consistent.
Speaker 1: We called out October to seventh. It was wrong when
Speaker 1: it happened, is wrong now to kill any innocence. No,
Speaker 1: that ain't how we're supposed to be rolling in this world.
Speaker 1: And it's not a butt, it's an end. And that
Speaker 1: same love and justice that we are pushing forward for
Speaker 1: our Israeli sisters and brothers and family and friends, it's
Speaker 1: the same love and justice we put forward for our
Speaker 1: Palestinian sisters. I mean, I think this is easy. That
Speaker 1: was complicated. I know what's complicated about that?
Speaker 3: You didn't get so easily distorted Because it constitutes a
Speaker 3: threat to the status quo, That's what it is. But
Speaker 3: not saying a mumbling word about mass incarceration, not saying
Speaker 3: the mumbling worried about police brutality and police murder against
Speaker 3: black people and against venerable people, not saying the mumbling
Speaker 3: worried about poverty, but all of a sudden want to
Speaker 3: get on the moral high ground and call for anti
Speaker 3: Semitic simply because you're defending the humanity of Palestinians and
Speaker 3: also Iranians.
Speaker 1: Just make it make sense, Doc, And as you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you and doctor Anahita have been on this
Speaker 1: journey with me for a while. I mean, I this
Speaker 1: was way before October seventh, and I'm just like still
Speaker 1: hurting my soul that for political reasons people would come
Speaker 1: at me some you know, on the zion In side.
Speaker 1: Let me be very clear here, because I have lots
Speaker 1: of Jewish colleagues and friends and people who support my leadership,
Speaker 1: but doct you know they called me everything but a
Speaker 1: child of God, and its just it's just painful because
Speaker 1: as a as a state senator, you know, I had
Speaker 1: one of the largest Jewish populations, well, I had the
Speaker 1: largest Jewish population in my senate history in the state
Speaker 1: of Ohio, and served all of my constituents no matter
Speaker 1: what their backgrounds were, honorably. And to have people to
Speaker 1: be able to weaponize that against well, against me, you know,
Speaker 1: and I had never said, never said an anti Semitic
Speaker 1: thing in my life.
Speaker 4: But wow, we were in Cleveland.
Speaker 2: Remember we went to the fair that day.
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and hit that we went to the fair that day.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Ooh that was a powerful Now you had a number
Speaker 3: of magnificent Jewish brothers and sisters hugging you and hugging us.
Speaker 2: Why because it's a human choice. It ain't no ethnic affair.
Speaker 2: This ain't no matter of color. The human choice. You're
Speaker 2: for justice or you're not for justice. There's ways of
Speaker 2: understanding justice and complicated waste. But you're taking a moral stand.
Speaker 2: That's a choice. It's a decision, it's a commitment, it's
Speaker 2: a conviction.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I mean this was twenty twenty one, family, So
Speaker 1: I just want them to know this was way.
Speaker 4: Before October seven. It just blew up, you know.
Speaker 1: And I want to shout out in this moment Jewish
Speaker 1: voices for peace, both nationally and also in Cleveland. When
Speaker 1: I tell you, Jewish Voices for Peace had my back
Speaker 1: end some of the fiercest ways possible, along with the
Speaker 1: other coalition of black people, of white people, of air Premier.
Speaker 4: You know, all the whole you and I draw from the.
Speaker 1: Entire mosaic of humanity. And that's the beautiful thing about
Speaker 1: our leadership. But when people try to malign you like that, boy,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's just something you know.
Speaker 2: No, that's real, it's real.
Speaker 4: It's real.
Speaker 1: So we have a Congress, some members of Congress who
Speaker 1: are fighting back and fighting back hard. And I want
Speaker 1: to add to something. I don't think it's just us
Speaker 1: how we judge who might run in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1: On the Democratic side, we need to hold all elected
Speaker 1: officials accountable. I know why our dear brother, who is
Speaker 1: a foreign he was a foreign policy analyst for advisor
Speaker 1: for Senator Sanders, and he's Jewish himself. I know exactly
Speaker 1: why he called out Democrats because they got to be
Speaker 1: called out extra special. And I am one with with
Speaker 1: with with with Matt on that, and I just want
Speaker 1: to add to that. I would say that any current
Speaker 1: elected official, especially on the federal level, that does not
Speaker 1: stand with Congressman Rocanna, with Congressmen Massey on the other side,
Speaker 1: one of the conservative conservatives, and in the resolution that
Speaker 1: they just introduced, no, you you just not You're not
Speaker 1: worthy of of getting anybody's vote.
Speaker 4: In twenty twenty eight shouldn't even consider you.
Speaker 2: I think one of the consequence is going to be
Speaker 2: that more and more.
Speaker 3: People will see as they'd all read said the other
Speaker 3: day in dialogue with I dear brother Tabis Smiley.
Speaker 2: That was such a rich dialogue.
Speaker 3: But all the tables, all of them got tell you,
Speaker 3: he said, to really, class got two parties?
Speaker 2: How come we can't have one?
Speaker 4: I know that's right. I love somebody.
Speaker 2: Made that point with brother Adolf, and it hit me
Speaker 2: very hard. That's a powerful way of pudding that is.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to quote him every time I use it.
Speaker 1: I'm loving that so very much. We have our dear
Speaker 1: brother John Nichols, who wrote this wonderful article. John Nichols
Speaker 1: is a contributor to the Tavis Smiley Show, very much
Speaker 1: a part of our family.
Speaker 4: He's laying out in.
Speaker 1: His article in The Nation magazine about how members of
Speaker 1: Congress who are coming together on both sides of the
Speaker 1: hour to try to reclaim the authority that the Constitution
Speaker 1: gives them, but that this president and his administration is
Speaker 1: trying to pretend like the judiciary.
Speaker 4: And the legislative branch does not exist.
Speaker 1: Contrary to the Constitution, and John is laying out how
Speaker 1: you have members all across the spectrum who are standing
Speaker 1: up number one to say this is not our war.
Speaker 1: And number two, even if it were, mister president, you
Speaker 1: just can't arbitrarily declared that you're gonna send troops into
Speaker 1: harm's way. So we're gonna see, we're gonna be watching
Speaker 1: this very strongly. Please make sure you go and read
Speaker 1: John nichols magnificent articles. He's always good at taking complex
Speaker 1: issues and breaking them.
Speaker 4: Down, down, down, down down. We love John Nichols.
Speaker 1: You're listening the truth time, but doctor Cornell was and
Speaker 1: Nina Turner. When we come forward, we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: South Carolina forgiveness and policy. They go together, but so
Speaker 1: far only forgiveness and no public policy.
Speaker 4: Oh Doc.
Speaker 1: Before we get to our folks who have made comments
Speaker 1: on our YouTube chat, I just want to read a
Speaker 1: portion from John nichols article. So he's talking about what's
Speaker 1: happening in the House and how people are signing on
Speaker 1: to the to the bill in the House. But then
Speaker 1: Senator Sanders, who you and I again was withining his
Speaker 1: both his runs for president. On Monday evening, Sanders introducing
Speaker 1: no War against Iran at Iran Act, Doctor Hannay, he
Speaker 1: is in the chat making it known with love that
Speaker 1: since the turner is mispronouncing.
Speaker 5: So it's Iran and not this American way.
Speaker 2: And I love Iran and Iran.
Speaker 5: Ran, but you know I mean in American that eye
Speaker 5: and you know what I mean. I mean, Hey, I
Speaker 5: love she put the harps by it too. You don't
Speaker 5: correct myself? No War against Iran.
Speaker 1: Act in the Senate with a statement that referenced the
Speaker 1: oft neglected constitutional requirement that wars must be declared by Congress.
Speaker 1: So Senator Sanders laying it down. He also he also
Speaker 1: laid out he called out Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin netting Ya,
Speaker 1: who Friday decision to launch an attack on Iran. Net
Speaker 1: in Yaho.
Speaker 4: Started this war.
Speaker 6: Now is this Senator Bernard Sanders talking, He said, net
Speaker 6: Yah who started this war with a surprise unilateral attack
Speaker 6: against Iran, which has.
Speaker 1: Already killed hundreds of people and wounded many more. This
Speaker 1: attack was specifically designed to sabotage American diplomatic efforts. Israel's
Speaker 1: assassinated assassinated the man overseeing Iran's nuclear negotiating team. Despite
Speaker 1: the fact that further talks with the United States were
Speaker 1: scheduled for Sunday. Oh my God, said, he goes on.
Speaker 1: Whatever you think of the corrupt and authoritarian Iranian regime,
Speaker 1: which we talk about too, and this attack, clearly, he said,
Speaker 1: despite what you think about that, this attack clearly violates
Speaker 1: international and United United Nations charter, go ahead on Senator
Speaker 1: Bernar Sanders. I mean he bringing it, bringing it to
Speaker 1: a real tough doc.
Speaker 3: No, absolutely, and I wish there were more folk in
Speaker 3: the Democratic Party who was speaking with that kind of power.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think the larger context is that
Speaker 3: it's hard to conceive of either the US government that
Speaker 3: has used nuclear weapons twice and killed nearly half a
Speaker 3: million people in a few days, having moral authority when
Speaker 3: it comes to nuclear weapons. That's the same is true.
Speaker 3: Same is true with the state of Israel that you
Speaker 3: commit genocidal attacks twenty over twenty thousand children in a
Speaker 3: matter of months, and somehow you got the moral authority
Speaker 3: to dictate who does and who doesn't have a nuclear
Speaker 3: weapon and you won't tell the world that you have one.
Speaker 3: You got over ninety of them, you got almost twice
Speaker 3: as many as North Korea. I mean, what are we
Speaker 3: talking about it, you get a level of hypocrisy that's
Speaker 3: on steroids.
Speaker 2: And so the question.
Speaker 3: Then becomes, Okay, well, how do we talk about the
Speaker 3: best in America? How do we talk about the best
Speaker 3: of Jewish brothers and sisters so we don't fall into
Speaker 3: any kind of ugly, chauvinistic and atavistic and xenophobic traps. No,
Speaker 3: morality and spread spirituality is very important. And I know
Speaker 3: a lot of my left comrades said, all, brother Wester,
Speaker 3: you spend too much time talking about morality spirituality. Yes,
Speaker 3: you got the right, brother, I do, because that's who
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 2: Murder is murder.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I'm gonna talk about these
Speaker 3: vicious structures of domination. I'm gonna talk about the history
Speaker 3: of white supremacy and predatory capitalism and imperial policies, and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna talk about the ways in which the United
Speaker 3: States is already involved in the israel daily attacks on Iran.
Speaker 3: They sent three hundred health fire missiles, They're using American equipment.
Speaker 3: So even Congress saying, well, we want to make sure
Speaker 3: that we have our power, he dated already engaged in it.
Speaker 3: It's just a matter of whether they escalated intensify or
Speaker 3: whether they de escalate and de intensify. America is already
Speaker 3: complicit in it. Let's just be honest about it and
Speaker 3: then proceed. So my hunch is that Trumpet company they
Speaker 3: don't give a damn about no constitution rule of law,
Speaker 3: just like Israel don't give a damn about no international
Speaker 3: rule of law. They made it clear, United States has
Speaker 3: made it clear. And foreign policy they don't give a
Speaker 3: damn about international rule of law. Both democratic and Republican
Speaker 3: parties that said what there was no humanitarian violation of
Speaker 3: Palestinian rights.
Speaker 2: We can see before very eyes. You line, you line
Speaker 2: your lyon.
Speaker 3: Why don't you tell the truth about the humanity of
Speaker 3: my brothers and sisters and siblings in this case in Palestine?
Speaker 3: But they could be in other places too. That's the
Speaker 3: kind of thing that's upsetting folk, and that's creating a
Speaker 3: certain kind of right wing backlash. I've been looking at
Speaker 3: sister Candace Ones and others. Oh and voted for the
Speaker 3: for the neo fascist twice.
Speaker 4: Tucker call ol.
Speaker 3: Sister Candace Tucker. Yeah, and you're always in the neo
Speaker 3: fascist corner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But unlike a lot of Democrats, at least they
Speaker 1: had the courage to come out say wait a minute
Speaker 1: on this one, on this one right here, and this
Speaker 1: is a very serious one. Like they get a couple
Speaker 1: extra bonus points in my book.
Speaker 4: Oh no, this is coming out on that.
Speaker 3: This has been very courageous on this particular cash salute,
Speaker 3: salute her in that regard. No, that's true for Tana
Speaker 3: East Coach to our solute the brother on this issue.
Speaker 3: They will zion us of a very centrist and conservative
Speaker 3: because they were accepting all hold the drinking, all the
Speaker 3: kool aid, let me put it that way. And now
Speaker 3: they've awakened. That's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a little late, very very very late.
Speaker 3: But that's a beautiful thing. But it's a matter of
Speaker 3: their own character, their own integrity. That's what we've always
Speaker 3: been concerned about. And that's the thing that you and
Speaker 3: I have always been highlighting here on truth Time.
Speaker 1: We have doctor for something of this magnitude. They get
Speaker 1: some bonus points, Yes they do. We're going to the
Speaker 1: chat in on the tube. We got brother Morris Phillips
Speaker 1: in the house. Where are my people at This is
Speaker 1: the banter they do back and forth. Blessed Peacemaker to
Speaker 1: brother of Phillips. Right here with you Phillips again. Good afternoon,
Speaker 1: Sina Turner and doctor West, thank you for your inspiration.
Speaker 1: God love for you. Blessed peace maker. Going back and
Speaker 1: forth they loving on each other, blessed peacemaker. Hey, Doctor
Speaker 1: Wes and Senator Turner. So good to be with you all.
Speaker 1: The best time of the day, truth time. Oh man,
Speaker 1: we love you guys so much, Doctor West.
Speaker 4: Blessings from Georgia. Oh, excuse me, blessings.
Speaker 1: From George Galloway from across the ocean that messages for you.
Speaker 4: Dot. Do you know George Galloway.
Speaker 2: Which ocean he talking about?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: He didn't name which one.
Speaker 2: Why he could be in Ghana.
Speaker 4: That's true. Let us know. Let us know which one
Speaker 4: you're talking about. You're talking about the Atlantic? Is it
Speaker 4: the Indian? Is it specific? Let us know. We got
Speaker 4: brother Stan Williams in the house.
Speaker 1: My question for both doctor West and Senator Turner is
Speaker 1: why do you think the leaders in the global South
Speaker 1: and East won't take a more forceful approach to make
Speaker 1: a push for peace.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. The good question.
Speaker 3: I think the people on the ground are but so
Speaker 3: many of the leaders, leaders even in the global South,
Speaker 3: are so preoccupied with the class between the major powers,
Speaker 3: so they wonder, how do you put the Chinese and
Speaker 3: the Russians against the United States. How does that relate
Speaker 3: to India, Brazil and some of the other more middle
Speaker 3: level countries. But the leadership, it's hard to find courageous
Speaker 3: leadership anywhere. That's true in Africa, Asia, Latin America, there's somebody,
Speaker 3: it's hard to find it.
Speaker 2: But in terms of what's happening on the ground of
Speaker 2: the masses of people, they see through the hypocrisy.
Speaker 3: Even in the Arab countries where the Arab leaders have
Speaker 3: been so cowardly on the Palestinian question. But folks in
Speaker 3: the Arab countries, oh, they even they want to put
Speaker 3: pressure on the leaders, but the leaders themselves is oftentimes
Speaker 3: outside of any kind of accountability.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why it takes the masses to push for
Speaker 1: the change. It's very rare that you have leaders right
Speaker 1: up from who get it without being pushed. But that's
Speaker 1: such a wonderful, profound question, Brother Phillips. Again, whenever you
Speaker 1: look at a beautiful garden, everything is a flower, but
Speaker 1: they all look different, and that's the beauty of it.
Speaker 1: All the difference. Yeah, yeah, our differences are a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: Got ec Courtney e C where you've been. We heard
Speaker 1: from you in a while.
Speaker 4: Happy Juneteenth to the King and Queen. Love the show
Speaker 4: a brother, my real.
Speaker 1: Brother, Doctor Cornell West and sending a Nina Turner with
Speaker 1: that true black knowledge a black people can feel. But
Speaker 1: we appreciate and love each and every one of you.
Speaker 1: We got more to come, Doc.
Speaker 4: We really really do.
Speaker 1: You're listening the truth time, Doctor Cornell West and Nina Turner,
Speaker 1: Yes you.
Speaker 4: Are, and we are so glad you are. Doc.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's jumping in here so much doctor and
Speaker 1: heat put in there.
Speaker 4: I love you, love you, S and T. I know
Speaker 4: you do. Doc.
Speaker 1: Thank you for getting me straight on the pre not
Speaker 1: first pronunciation. I a one to admit that is one
Speaker 1: of my you know something I gotta do a little
Speaker 1: extra work on and I'm not ashamed of it. All
Speaker 1: of us have. That's something. But it's all in good
Speaker 1: you know, good spirit. It's not to be disrespectful. So
Speaker 1: I really do appreciate doctor Anaheta putting that phonetic. I
Speaker 1: love me a good phonetic. Let me know how it's
Speaker 1: going down. I love it, love it, love it, God
Speaker 1: blessed peacemaker, Doctor Anaheta much love from us, hear and Kenya,
Speaker 1: praying for you and your family for peace and freedom.
Speaker 1: He's always so considered. All of our people are for
Speaker 1: the most part. Johnny Lee Hooker fan. Everyday people rest
Speaker 1: in peace like Stone, blessed peacemaker Again. Senator Turner and
Speaker 1: doctor West, what is your assessment of the split in
Speaker 1: Maga versus Miggha Midjah Make Israel great Again factions? Tucker Carlston,
Speaker 1: Candice Owns, TOCI, Gabbert, even Steve Bannon coming out against
Speaker 1: the war.
Speaker 4: And we did mention a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind. It's quite spectacular to see this happening.
Speaker 1: We got Darryl Evans in the house where you been. Darryl,
Speaker 1: Hello to doctor West and Senator Nina Turner. We got
Speaker 1: Arian Brito analysis. Doctor West, please visit young men in prison.
Speaker 4: They need role models. We've been in prison. Ministry, did
Speaker 4: you do.
Speaker 3: Since nineteen seventy Ville Wrangways sing sing Garden Sity. I've
Speaker 3: been blessed to be with the young brothers there very
Speaker 3: much so and continue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we appreciate it all that.
Speaker 3: I do want to just be able to take a
Speaker 3: little time because I know our audience might not know
Speaker 3: the ways in which we've been blessed to work together
Speaker 3: for so long. We will be working together and ment
Speaker 3: for the many, many years to come, but this particular
Speaker 3: show is going to be near the last show of
Speaker 3: this particular iteration. It's been a joy. It's been a
Speaker 3: magnificent joy to work with my very very dear sister,
Speaker 3: mean the Turner, and I just thank tabs his leadership,
Speaker 3: his unbelievable love and support for both of us. He's
Speaker 3: embraced us, of course myself for forty years. He embraces
Speaker 3: you as a sister for a number of years. And
Speaker 3: we just want to kind of drop this fork, and
Speaker 3: I want to make sure you get a chance to say,
Speaker 3: but I did want to note that because there is
Speaker 3: a kind of bit of sweetness. It's so sweet because
Speaker 3: it's been so wonderful, but it's bitter in the sense
Speaker 3: that it's not negative in any way, but it is
Speaker 3: we won't be able to work together every day and
Speaker 3: the ways in which we have, but we're coming up
Speaker 3: with new ways of sustaining are working together.
Speaker 2: But I know you want to say it.
Speaker 1: Work now, Doc, thank you were just reading my mind.
Speaker 1: I was caught up on this and then you know,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you brought that out. So to our audience, yes,
Speaker 1: Doctor West is laying out this series of Truth Time
Speaker 1: as as it is now is going to be ending tomorrow,
Speaker 1: well Friday this week. Friday will definitely be our last.
Speaker 1: But we wanted to make sure, especially our family on
Speaker 1: the tube because on Thursdays and Fridays, we do not
Speaker 1: go into the chat, particularly.
Speaker 4: Those of you who have formed community.
Speaker 1: On the YouTube, bringing Dr West and I so much joy.
Speaker 1: We wanted you to hear from us. We will have
Speaker 1: our teaching, our teaching Thursday. Tomorrow. We're lifting up Juneteenth,
Speaker 1: so you do not want to miss it lifting Juneteenth
Speaker 1: up on Juneteenth and also the celebration and the education
Speaker 1: stuff that's going on because of Brother Tavis Smiley and
Speaker 1: KBLA Talk fifteen eighty all the four events. Make sure
Speaker 1: you participate starting today. But this is the last day
Speaker 1: for Doctor West and I to go into the live
Speaker 1: with those of you who get to commune with us
Speaker 1: on YouTube. But Doctor West and I are still and
Speaker 1: Brother Tavis Smiley, we're working together.
Speaker 4: We're cooking up some other things. It just won't be
Speaker 4: in this form.
Speaker 1: So the series, you know, like a good TV show,
Speaker 1: the series has come to an end, but the mission
Speaker 1: itself has not come to an end. So you can
Speaker 1: go back and listen to any of the Truth Times
Speaker 1: since January sixth to this very moment, and we want
Speaker 1: you to stay tuned because other things are in store.
Speaker 1: And Doc, you are so right about Brother Tavis Smiley. No,
Speaker 1: usually people throw you away when your titles are not
Speaker 1: as fancy anymore, not as fresh. And I remember brother
Speaker 1: Tavis Smiley saying to both of us, but particularly he
Speaker 1: said this to me about you and your courage it
Speaker 1: took to run for president and to have the moral
Speaker 1: clarity that you had, and him just saying, doctor West
Speaker 1: has to have a platform, and he said the same thing.
Speaker 1: And you know, Sisteranina, you know you guys voices, you
Speaker 1: gotta have a platform. And that will always mean so
Speaker 1: much to me, I think more than I can put
Speaker 1: into words.
Speaker 3: No, No, that's that's exactly, and that's that's who brother
Speaker 3: Tavis is. Consistency when it comes to courage, and consistency
Speaker 3: when it comes to integrity, and consistency when it comes
Speaker 3: to execution on the ground, supporting people who are trying
Speaker 3: to be forces for good across the board, but especially
Speaker 3: especially black folk, and so with each other, our support
Speaker 3: for each other, the welcoming of each other will remain
Speaker 3: consistent from now until we all make it to our
Speaker 3: grave and move to the other side of the Jordan.
Speaker 1: Indeed, indeed, you're listening to Truth Time with Doctor Cornillson Turner.
Speaker 1: When we come forward our remaining moments, Doc, I'm going
Speaker 1: to keep on in our chat. We got Wolf Blitzer.
Speaker 1: We got less than an hour with y'all today. I
Speaker 1: can read the charts, the chats myself. I enjoy hearing
Speaker 1: from the great mind of doctor West and yourself, Senator Turner. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna miss it too, but we we coming. We're
Speaker 1: gonna we working. We'll work on some special projects together.
Speaker 1: And again, this is not a bad thing. This is
Speaker 1: actually a really good thing. And I know sometimes people
Speaker 1: say that all the time. So we want you all
Speaker 1: to understand. On True Time, Doctor West and I are
Speaker 1: telling the truth. This is a powerful thing. It's in
Speaker 1: all love, and we really are not going anywhere. It's
Speaker 1: just that this series is taking on another form.
Speaker 2: No, that that's a beautiful way of putting it.
Speaker 4: Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: We got sister Rebecca in the house. Oh no, I
Speaker 1: will miss your inspiration every afternoon. Oh my goodness, we're
Speaker 1: gonna miss you all too. Blessed Peacemaker, you doctor West,
Speaker 1: he's return to you did prison ministry where Chris Hedges right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: We actually taught classes together roadway, I mean, and that
Speaker 3: was old back from twenty two. But I began back
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy with Malcolm X's prison Norfolk.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Been from there as an assistant professor.
Speaker 3: I was at right outside of Poughkeepsie there at Greensville,
Speaker 3: and then sing Sing and Garden City, and got two
Speaker 3: prisons in New Jersey right across the street from each other.
Speaker 3: I used to teaching both of those when I was
Speaker 3: at Princeville.
Speaker 1: Oh God, bless you doc teaching at Princeton and making
Speaker 1: time for the people.
Speaker 4: I mean, what a ministry.
Speaker 1: And Blessed Peacemaker goes on the layout that Chris Hedges
Speaker 1: talks about you guys, what you did together in his
Speaker 1: book are class.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. Chris wrote another classic. He's written so
Speaker 3: many classics. What a truth teller? And pro Frederick figure
Speaker 3: Chris Hedges actually is and has been the remains.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's one of the one of the courageous
Speaker 1: ones we talk about all the time. Blessed peacemaker again.
Speaker 1: Oh this is sad news. I hope we can all
Speaker 1: be together in our new way, in a new way.
Speaker 1: I've absolutely loved being with you all. Love you, Doctor West,
Speaker 1: Senator Turner Man, I am really going to miss this
Speaker 1: show as it is.
Speaker 2: I know, Ray, that's the truth. We both gonna miss it.
Speaker 4: We both gonna miss it.
Speaker 1: So lots of blessings and all of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: It is that time, doctor West, and I want you
Speaker 1: to understand your purpose, live your purpose, live on purpose
Speaker 1: above all things, no matter what. Know that titles are
Speaker 1: good for purpose.
Speaker 4: It's always better.
Speaker 1: Until next time and another way, make sure you tune
Speaker 1: in tomorrow on our teaching and Thursday we talking about
Speaker 1: the history of Juneteenth.
Speaker 4: Sending so much love, so much love.