Speaker 1: Dueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine day. Now
Speaker 1: here's Nick Coffee.
Speaker 2: That's right, hour number two here on a Tuesday afternoon
Speaker 2: Coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 2: Appreciate Thorntons, of course, and I'm gonna keep reminding you
Speaker 2: because eventually this probably won't be a deal, because it's
Speaker 2: almost like one of those things that maybe they don't
Speaker 2: even realize how good of a deal they're giving you
Speaker 2: because you won't find it anywhere else. Four Monster Energy
Speaker 2: drinks for just seven dollars. I mean, say it out
Speaker 2: loud with me if you are somebody that is aware
Speaker 2: of how expensive really everything is, but mostly energy drinks,
Speaker 2: like that's a steal, so load up. I know I've
Speaker 2: made a few trips in the past week or so,
Speaker 2: and each time I go to get a Monster Energy drink,
Speaker 2: I get four of them. Because you know it's a deal,
Speaker 2: you'd be foolish not to take advantage of it, and
Speaker 2: you be foolish to sign up to become a member
Speaker 2: of the Refreshing Awards program. Download the app on your phone.
Speaker 2: It's free, easy to find, and you'll be happy that
Speaker 2: you did I was there earlier today. Same here. I
Speaker 2: basically lived there. I'm shocked at it. Run into you.
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to kick me out at some point.
Speaker 3: Got the got the two hot dogs and a coke
Speaker 3: for five dollars. Now, I'll tell you what Gluzzy gang,
Speaker 3: stand up gy gang. That's what I talked about. I go,
Speaker 3: what ketchup and mustard on mine? I know a lot
Speaker 3: of I know a lot of Glizzy enthusiasts like relish.
Speaker 2: Glizzy enthusiasts onions put that on your bio man, Like
Speaker 2: that's that's not a bad idea. Yeah, I mean, look,
Speaker 2: I am sorry, but if you shame people for putting
Speaker 2: ketchup on a hot dog, like, go to hell. Like
Speaker 2: what I mean, I mean my hot dog in peace.
Speaker 2: The fact that because I know there are food snobs
Speaker 2: out there, Like I get it, but I feel like
Speaker 2: hot dogs the kind of thing that like you can
Speaker 2: be snobby about certain things, but like if we're talking
Speaker 2: about hot dog, like it's a hot dog, Like we
Speaker 2: all know how those things are made for the most right.
Speaker 2: So like if you're gonna be snobby about that, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe it sounds a little bit over the top, but
Speaker 2: like go to hell. Like it's one thing. If you
Speaker 2: want to get on somebody for putting ketchup on a steak,
Speaker 2: like Patrick Mahomes, that's disgusting, that's vile, that's childish. That
Speaker 2: should be a criminal girl, should be a criminal offense.
Speaker 2: But like hot dogs, I mean, it's where we draw
Speaker 2: the line. What's next? Are you asking me? Are you
Speaker 2: gonna ask me? And and you know, audit me shamey
Speaker 2: because of what seasoning I put on, like my Beanie
Speaker 2: Weenies or like spaghetti o's. Like hot dogs are great,
Speaker 2: love a good hot dog, love a good ballpark hot dog,
Speaker 2: but it's also not in the upper class of food. Therefore,
Speaker 2: like you know, you're just you're just being a jerk,
Speaker 2: to be a jerk, to shame someone about how they
Speaker 2: eat a hot dog. Once it comes down to you,
Speaker 2: I was taking a back when I realized, dude, that
Speaker 2: people shame people for ketchup on a hot dog. It's
Speaker 2: huge in Chicago.
Speaker 3: They like they they they don't mind, oh they put like,
Speaker 3: they don't mind mustard on there, but they draw the
Speaker 3: line up ketchup, And you're already low low of yourself.
Speaker 3: Whenever you decide okay, I'm gonna go have a hot
Speaker 3: dog anyway. So I feel like all civility is thrown
Speaker 3: out the window whenever you start to shame people for
Speaker 3: what they now add on to.
Speaker 2: The hot dog. I mean, there are certain foods that, like,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't necessarily be out here parading around bragging about
Speaker 2: eating because you know, but honestly, the more as I'm
Speaker 2: talking about it on the air, whatever the hell you want,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like people shaming anybody for
Speaker 2: anything is silly. People can do whatever they want to
Speaker 2: live their life. But like hot dogs, of all things,
Speaker 2: I just never could quite like I'll put ketchup on
Speaker 2: a hot dog in front of your face, snobs. Okay,
Speaker 2: Like I'm not ashamed in any way.
Speaker 3: And I know Thornton's wasn't wasn't a shame to help
Speaker 3: me out because once I went over to the topping section,
Speaker 3: they were at a ketchup band mustard, of the squeezable mustard.
Speaker 3: So I asked the person that was literally working in
Speaker 3: the kitchen where they're putting down the pizzas and the
Speaker 3: cheese sticks and all the wings and like their little
Speaker 3: grill area, and then she looked.
Speaker 2: Over some magic happens, She said, up is She said,
Speaker 2: oh is there?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: There no ketchup and mustard over there, baby, I said, no,
Speaker 2: there is not.
Speaker 3: She said, hold on, I got you, went back and
Speaker 3: came out with three brand new of each mustard and ketchup.
Speaker 3: Nick I was the one peeling the top off of
Speaker 3: that fresh mustard, of that fresh ketchup, and I was
Speaker 3: the first user of it at around two o'clock today.
Speaker 2: That's the kind of service you expect from the associates
Speaker 2: at Thornton's. Couldn't ask for better good stuff. All right,
Speaker 2: let's go to the text line. Five OO two six
Speaker 2: five three zero seven ninety is not the number. I
Speaker 2: do it good, damn it. I got so distracted thinking
Speaker 2: about hot dogs and Thornton's, and I'm just gonna blame
Speaker 2: that mistake on the on the hot dog snobs. But
Speaker 2: FABO two four three eight ninety seventy three is the
Speaker 2: number again, FIBO two four three eight ninety seventy three.
Speaker 2: If you want to text in on the Ellen and
Speaker 2: Federal Credit Union text line phone lines, FIBO two five
Speaker 2: seven seventy nine hundred. So apologies for saying the wrong number,
Speaker 2: but this was something that came in earlier today that
Speaker 2: I talked about towards the beginning of the show, and
Speaker 2: that was that if it was my decision and it
Speaker 2: came down to line, and I'm not saying that, by
Speaker 2: the way, this is the ultimatum. From what I've gathered,
Speaker 2: I would imagine that Louisville has has done what they're
Speaker 2: gonna do for Native men, and now it's just his decision.
Speaker 2: And those who cover recruiting seem to think that Duke
Speaker 2: is the most likely landing spot, which, you know whatever,
Speaker 2: I don't think like Native Mint needs to pick Duke,
Speaker 2: so Case and Pryor then decides to come back. I
Speaker 2: think they're totally different things. However, somebody asked me, if
Speaker 2: it came down to an expense thing, what would you
Speaker 2: what do you think would be the more worthwhile expense
Speaker 2: Native Mint or Case and Pryor? And I said Case
Speaker 2: and Pryor. And then we've had a couple of people
Speaker 2: that disagree, which is fine, But this person says, getting
Speaker 2: a talent like Nati Mint, even if he doesn't give
Speaker 2: give us a whole lot of production, but he's a
Speaker 2: lottery pick, that's great exposure to get you more of
Speaker 2: those kind of guys in the future. That's not an
Speaker 2: incorrect statement, but I just I don't necessarily and by
Speaker 2: the way, to your point, we already have that with
Speaker 2: Michail Brown Junior. I mean again Jonavan Givoni, who covers
Speaker 2: the NBA Draft for ESPN Draft Express, I mean, he
Speaker 2: has said that after watching Brown at the Hoops Summit
Speaker 2: as well as the McDonald's All American Game, that he's
Speaker 2: made his case to be the best guard in the
Speaker 2: class and could be a top ten pick next year.
Speaker 2: So you already have one, right, and if you can
Speaker 2: get two, then great. But I just as we talked
Speaker 2: about yesterday, getting a one and done, it's cool, right,
Speaker 2: Like you know, that's representation from you for your program
Speaker 2: on Draft night. It'll show a path of Okay, if
Speaker 2: you've got elite guys that know they're only going to
Speaker 2: be making a pit stop in college before they get
Speaker 2: to the Association, they'll know that they can take the
Speaker 2: path to Louisville and get there. Like it's worthwhile, but
Speaker 2: it's not worth prioritizing a huge part of your resources
Speaker 2: to build a roster on an annual basis on those
Speaker 2: kind of guys, unless you know one you can afford it,
Speaker 2: and they've got a good system to join in, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, Nata Mint, I mean, if it comes
Speaker 2: down to money in Louisville, you know, ended up not
Speaker 2: being able to match whatever, maybe Duke will match, then
Speaker 2: that's where I think it makes sense. But look, I
Speaker 2: think if Nata meant if they could afford it and
Speaker 2: the money was right. Like, I'm not saying don't get him,
Speaker 2: because I actually think right now, your roster as it is,
Speaker 2: especially with Javon Back, I mean, to me, that's a
Speaker 2: huge part of it because he's I mean, he's a
Speaker 2: grown man. He's a veteran, a guy with a lot
Speaker 2: of experience that understands the culture, and he'll be the
Speaker 2: leader of this team. He's gonna make sure that these
Speaker 2: young guys are well aware of what it takes to
Speaker 2: play in this program and that you're gonna be held accountable.
Speaker 2: But you also throw in like Ryan Conwell, another big
Speaker 2: veteran who's played a lot of basketball. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think it would work great if you could get him,
Speaker 2: because I think perfect scenario is that guys like a
Speaker 2: Mint and Brown have a veteran, talented, experienced group to
Speaker 2: play alongside to where you're not asking like your season
Speaker 2: is not dependent upon these two freshmen carrying you. It's
Speaker 2: just that they are components within your entire system, and
Speaker 2: you know, maybe if they get good playing time, by
Speaker 2: the time you get to February March, they're looking like
Speaker 2: guys that you know are going to be in the
Speaker 2: NBA next year. So again, I'm not anti nata men
Speaker 2: at all. It's just if it came down to like
Speaker 2: he was gonna be a big enough expense to where
Speaker 2: you maybe couldn't bring in a Ryan Conwell, or maybe
Speaker 2: you couldn't make it right with Cason Pryor, and maybe,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe it ends up in somebody like a
Speaker 2: Warly deciding to go elsewhere because he's getting more or woolly,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I mean, at that point then I would say, yeah,
Speaker 2: pass on Nata Mint because all these other pieces we're
Speaker 2: talking about, I think are more important. But if you
Speaker 2: could make it work with everybody, then make it work.
Speaker 2: It just to me right now, it seems as if
Speaker 2: most of the most of the recruiting folks believe that
Speaker 2: Duke is the favorite. But again, I feel like it
Speaker 2: changes like every day with this guy, really do all right?
Speaker 2: Again back to the text line Ellen and Federal Credit
Speaker 2: Union text line, I should say members get more at
Speaker 2: Ellenn Federal Credit Union. You can learn them on Open
Speaker 2: your Accounts today at LLENFCU dot com. This text came
Speaker 2: in a little bit earlier. It says, Nick, I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna be honest with you. You went to the spring game,
Speaker 2: Miller Moss looked okay, but I do feel like we're
Speaker 2: taking a big step back from Tyler Shuck. Any thoughts,
Speaker 2: I didn't go to the spring game. I did not
Speaker 2: get a chance to see Miller Moss. But you know,
Speaker 2: let's put it this way. If we end up getting
Speaker 2: to midway through next season and you know, you still
Speaker 2: feel like Louisville is in position to maybe finish strong,
Speaker 2: potentially find themselves in the race still for the ACC championship,
Speaker 2: but yet you do feel like we have taken a
Speaker 2: step back at quarterback. That may not be because you
Speaker 2: got Miller Moss and realized he wasn't anything close to
Speaker 2: what you needed him to be. It might be really
Speaker 2: the reminder that last year we had a really good
Speaker 2: quarterback in Tyler Shuck. I mean, I think I've said
Speaker 2: the same thing anytime it comes up with shuck in
Speaker 2: this NBA or I'm sorry this NFL draft type that
Speaker 2: he has, and we have Brian bram on Friday, and
Speaker 2: you know, I know he would say this about a
Speaker 2: guy he just coached, but I think he also means it,
Speaker 2: and he's very sincere that he thinks he's one of
Speaker 2: the best quarterbacks in this draft and thinks that he
Speaker 2: will play in the NFL for a long time. Again,
Speaker 2: you'd expect him to say that, But I think we
Speaker 2: all kind of had that moment when you lost some
Speaker 2: games earlier this year and at the time we didn't
Speaker 2: know SMU was going to be as good as they were.
Speaker 2: You lost to Notre Dame, and that was still a
Speaker 2: weird one because I I mean, I watched Notre Dame
Speaker 2: and I thought, Okay, Louisville has made so many avoidable
Speaker 2: mistakes in that game, and yet they're still right there
Speaker 2: with a chance to win it. And I'm thinking, you
Speaker 2: know what, like, I don't think Notre Dame is going
Speaker 2: to be really that good. I was clearly wrong. Notre
Speaker 2: Dame ended up going all the way to the National
Speaker 2: Championship Game, and they were a phenomenal team when it
Speaker 2: was all said and done, just came up short in
Speaker 2: the title game. So I think when we were losing
Speaker 2: games early that we knew we could have won, and
Speaker 2: we knew we had really good quarterback play in those games,
Speaker 2: and that wasn't the reason why we ended up losing.
Speaker 2: I mean, did we not have that fear? Like I
Speaker 2: never felt like Louis was gonna have a add season
Speaker 2: and barely be Bowl eligible, trust me, But there was
Speaker 2: a little bit of frustration. And clearly, anytime you lose
Speaker 2: games that you feel like you should have won, there's
Speaker 2: gonna be frustration. But I think an element of set
Speaker 2: frustration was because we're thinking, man, we only got this
Speaker 2: guy one year. We've already taken three losses and he's like, really,
Speaker 2: really good. Are we going to feel underwhelmed? Are we
Speaker 2: going to feel like we wasted a once in a
Speaker 2: lifetime quarterback. I think the way the season finished, I
Speaker 2: guess you could still potentially feel that way, right, But
Speaker 2: I mean it wasn't. I mean, you had an eight
Speaker 2: and four season, you knocked off Clemson for the first
Speaker 2: time at their place. That win had a lot of
Speaker 2: value still does. It's a big, big win for the program.
Speaker 2: You got the Governor's Cup back, and yeah, Kentucky stinks
Speaker 2: and probably are going to stink again this year. Embarrassing
Speaker 2: that you didn't have the cup for as long as
Speaker 2: you went without it, But like those were things that
Speaker 2: needed to happen this year, and you still finished eight
Speaker 2: and four. You still have momentum in year two of
Speaker 2: Jeff brom But like, I don't know, maybe if in fact,
Speaker 2: you see Tyler Shuck become a really quarterback early on
Speaker 2: in his career in the NFL. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that will happen, but if it does, maybe we will
Speaker 2: go back and think, you know what, that guy was
Speaker 2: dialed in when we played at Notre Dame. How do
Speaker 2: we lose that one? Or Miami? You know, cam WARDNA,
Speaker 2: he's gonna be taken really early, right, But I'll just
Speaker 2: say this, and I know it sounds like such a
Speaker 2: Louisville Homer thing to say, what do I know about
Speaker 2: evaluating quarterbacks in the NFL, But if Shuck ends up
Speaker 2: being as good or better than cam Ward, I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna be shocked. And I say that mostly because this
Speaker 2: quarterback class is not viewed to be elite. It's actually
Speaker 2: viewed to be pretty pretty down, which if he's the
Speaker 2: fourth quarterback taking, which by all accounts that's what Shuck
Speaker 2: is is believed to be right now, according to you know,
Speaker 2: all the mock drafts out there, it's wild because you
Speaker 2: could be a top four quarterback and be taken in
Speaker 2: the first round, or you could be in the third round.
Speaker 2: It just depends on who really wants a quarterback, who's
Speaker 2: really desperate, who you know, who's willing to take a
Speaker 2: risk on somebody. And if history repeats itself the NFL,
Speaker 2: I think, I mean the way they're enamored with the
Speaker 2: quarterback position. If you're the fourth guy taken, I think
Speaker 2: give a much better chance of being taken in the
Speaker 2: top sixty than you do taken after that. But we
Speaker 2: shall see it. But back to you, like, look, Miller, Mall,
Speaker 2: I haven't heard anybody tell me that he's not good
Speaker 2: enough to be the guy that Jep Brom needs him
Speaker 2: to be at all. I did hear from someone that
Speaker 2: said that he was a little bit shaky at the
Speaker 2: beginning of a spring game but then settled in. But look,
Speaker 2: if you're comparing him to Tyler Shuck, let's just go
Speaker 2: ahead and accept that. If the NFL scouts are right
Speaker 2: about this guy. We might not have many quarterbacks that
Speaker 2: play here for a long time that are as good
Speaker 2: as he was. So again, whenever we talk about Shuck,
Speaker 2: I always think like, it's not really that big of
Speaker 2: a surprise, because again, we all watched. We knew the
Speaker 2: guy was good. But because the season, you know, had
Speaker 2: some losses early on, and it really never really felt
Speaker 2: like Shuck had a ton of hype as far as
Speaker 2: during the season. That's why I was a little bit
Speaker 2: surprising that here we go. Now they're looking at the film,
Speaker 2: they're seeing what this guy can do with his arm,
Speaker 2: and he's believed to be a top five quarterback in
Speaker 2: this draft.
Speaker 4: Left.
Speaker 2: But again, we watched, I mean not that we are.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know about you guys, but I'm
Speaker 2: not capable of watching football close enough to know who
Speaker 2: should be drafted where. I mean, it'd be fun to do, right,
Speaker 2: But just keep that in mind. Comparing Shuck to Miller
Speaker 2: Moss may just be unfair Miller Moss, to be honest
Speaker 2: with you, all right, let's see, let's get to let's
Speaker 2: go ahead and get to our first break here in
Speaker 2: the four o'clock hour, we'll keep this thing on track.
Speaker 2: Speaking to college football, do you guys see what Colorado
Speaker 2: announced they're doing. I mean, we'll get to it. Unserious program,
Speaker 2: un serious. I think they've officially told us without officially,
Speaker 2: you know, putting it in a press release. They're not
Speaker 2: about winning. They're about hype, Colorado Deon Sanders. It's all
Speaker 2: about TMZ type hype. That's all they want. They don't
Speaker 2: care about doing, actually accomplishing anything in their decision to
Speaker 2: do something that we'll talk about next. We'll make it
Speaker 2: make sense. If you don't know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: stick around right here on Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 1: Now back to coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's on
Speaker 1: Sports Talk seven nine day.
Speaker 2: So something I was going to get to a little
Speaker 2: bit later on. I guess it's now time to go
Speaker 2: ahead and get to it because it is breaking news.
Speaker 2: Lamar Wilkerson the Sam Houston State transfer, really good guard,
Speaker 2: good shooter. He was down to Indiana and Kentucky when
Speaker 2: the day started. He visited both Indiana and Kentucky in
Speaker 2: that order, and he announced his decision to pick Indiana.
Speaker 2: So a win for a Darian Devrees over Mark Pote
Speaker 2: which gotta be honest, I'm a little I'm a little
Speaker 2: surprised by that, just because I do feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: he could be walking into, meaning Wilkerson, I feel like
Speaker 2: he could be walking into the role that was left
Speaker 2: by both Lamont Butler. I mean, obviously they've added low
Speaker 2: from Pittsburgh and they're getting otega o way back, So
Speaker 2: like maybe that made it seem as if the backcourt
Speaker 2: was crowded, and you know, he'd have a bigger role
Speaker 2: at Indiana. Like maybe that's what it came down to,
Speaker 2: because honestly, I don't really know a whole lot about
Speaker 2: what Indiana's working with. As far as the portal, I
Speaker 2: know it was nothing but white guys for Darian DeVries
Speaker 2: there for a minute. As far as all the guys
Speaker 2: he was bringing in. But six' five, guard twenty points per,
Speaker 2: game forty four and a half percent from three That's
Speaker 2: wilkerson's numbers From Sam Houston's Sam Houston. State, well he Picks,
Speaker 2: indiana AND i, MEAN i guess it shouldn't be surprised
Speaker 2: because days of players just picking the biggest brand who
Speaker 2: has the most history and, tradition like that's just not
Speaker 2: that really doesn't have much value. Anymore and As i've discussed,
Speaker 2: before be happy if you were able to do enough
Speaker 2: as a program to really generate an, elite top tier
Speaker 2: status in the, sport because if you have it, now it's.
Speaker 2: Great and that's what led to you having, resources people,
Speaker 2: caring you know enough to know that you, know there's
Speaker 2: an expectation that kind of. Stuff but, nowadays like if
Speaker 2: you have all that but you don't have the money
Speaker 2: that others, have then you know you're gonna have a
Speaker 2: tough time, Competing like you can't just recruit based off of.
Speaker 2: That AND i think everybody knows. That but, anyways all right,
Speaker 2: again FIVE o two five hundred is the. Number if
Speaker 2: you guys want to jump. In we're gonna get back
Speaker 2: the phone lines coming up here in just a. SECOND
Speaker 2: i was just to keep your eye on the on the.
Speaker 2: Phones we just had a couple of people trying to get.
Speaker 2: Through but let's go to, well let's see we got our, Man, Jerry,
Speaker 2: jerry what's? Happening?
Speaker 4: Brother, Hey i'm going to weigh in on The, POPE
Speaker 4: i mean on the prior speaking of. You, okay TAKE
Speaker 4: i me Singing, pope sure prior versus Native. Mint here's
Speaker 4: my take on. IT i Take prior based on some
Speaker 4: of the same reasons you you talked. About but but
Speaker 4: from my perspective as a, FAN i think the jury's
Speaker 4: really out on case And prior we had such a
Speaker 4: small sample. Size yeah THAT i, mean you, know he
Speaker 4: shot he shot it poorly from three and he shot
Speaker 4: it a, lot which is a. Concern he shot it a.
Speaker 4: Lot he did shoot his free throws. WELL i still
Speaker 4: think at the end of the, day LIKE i said last,
Speaker 4: week we still need a. BANGER i don't see it
Speaker 4: any other. WAY i might be. Wrong maybe the guy
Speaker 4: coming from overseas will will fill that role a lot
Speaker 4: better THAN i. Think but from from my perspective just
Speaker 4: analyzing the, ROSTER i think where's the banger at and
Speaker 4: And prior's not a, banger and Am min's not a,
Speaker 4: banger AND i want to talk about a mint real.
Speaker 4: Quick did you Watch TEAM usa Versus Team world ON
Speaker 4: Usa network the other?
Speaker 2: Night, NO i just saw, Highlights.
Speaker 4: OKAY i didn't realize it was on until about right before.
Speaker 4: HALFTIME i turned it on and THEN i watched about
Speaker 4: half the second half came on really, late SO i
Speaker 4: bailed on. It after a. While but, anyway A Mint
Speaker 4: i'll give, him you. Know And i'm basing Everything i'm
Speaker 4: getting ready to say about A mint on that small
Speaker 4: sample THAT i watched him just the other. Night, okay
Speaker 4: and my thing is is. This he played eleven minutes
Speaker 4: and he scored zero. Points so, Hell i'm not gonna
Speaker 4: have much good to say about, him Right but the
Speaker 4: thing that concerned me is. This he looked physically, weak
Speaker 4: he looked unsure of. HIMSELF i thought his body language
Speaker 4: showed that he felt like he was not playing. Well
Speaker 4: and to, ME i thought he was exposed a little
Speaker 4: bit the other. Night if he's a one and donner
Speaker 4: at the end of next, year whoever he plays, For
Speaker 4: i'll be shocked BECAUSE i just don't think he's ready.
Speaker 4: PHYSICALLY i, mean he needs twenty five thirty pounds of.
Speaker 4: Muscle you. Know i'm not saying every analyst or evaluator
Speaker 4: in the country is wrong about the, kid BUT i
Speaker 4: know this. MUCH i, mean we've we've Seen we've SEEN.
Speaker 4: VJ kingm, McDonald's All american. Teams we've. Seen give me
Speaker 4: the other. Guy his name is K no For, louisville
Speaker 4: played For louisville just and he ended up.
Speaker 2: AT smu Oh Sam Sam. Williamson, Sam, well there you,
Speaker 2: go Okay.
Speaker 4: Sam so so they are wrong on, kids And i'm
Speaker 4: saying he's Either i'm not saying he's either one of those,
Speaker 4: kids BUT i don't think he's one and. DONE i
Speaker 4: realized that all star games a lot of times are guard,
Speaker 4: dominated et, cetera and all that. Stuff BUT i give
Speaker 4: you an. EXAMPLE i was thinking about, him AND i
Speaker 4: watched The Kentucky illinois game in THE ncaa, tournament AND
Speaker 4: i felt like both of their star freshmen were exposed Against,
Speaker 4: kentucky And kentucky lost what eleven or twelve. Games it's
Speaker 4: not like they were a final, fourteen but both of those,
Speaker 4: kids the thirty, two the white guard from, overseas and
Speaker 4: then they had a then then they had a thin
Speaker 4: h sort of LIKE nata meant uh real slim, forward
Speaker 4: and they didn't do anything Against. Kentucky you, Know SO
Speaker 4: i look AT i saw an interview By Rick patino
Speaker 4: the other day and he, said, basically he's almost ruled
Speaker 4: out freshman. Entirely he don't he doesn't really want to
Speaker 4: take him.
Speaker 2: Anymore AND i AND i don't think there's anything wrong with.
Speaker 2: THAT i get why you still would look at the
Speaker 2: ranks and and you, know always keep your eye on
Speaker 2: what's out. There BUT i think that used to be
Speaker 2: something crazy to hear from, people and now you're, like,
Speaker 2: YEAH i get it.
Speaker 4: Real. QUICK i go back to prior WHEN i look
Speaker 4: At prior and him him getting, injured AND i, think
Speaker 4: where would we have ended up at The, uh there's no.
Speaker 4: Telling the record might have been better by two or three.
Speaker 4: Games it might have been the, same it might have been.
Speaker 4: Worse hadley was the beneficiary and he and he did
Speaker 4: a really good job for The, cards and and and
Speaker 4: you can't you can't fault his the season he. Had
Speaker 4: so there's no telling the way things would have worked. Out,
Speaker 4: Uh i'm gonna change gears real. Quick did you Hear
Speaker 4: Corn johnson went To Ole.
Speaker 2: Miss, NO i did.
Speaker 4: Not, yeah that just broke a few minutes. Ago and
Speaker 4: THEN i got one more thing for you to look
Speaker 4: into and chew on a little. BIT i heard an
Speaker 4: interview on another Show buddy And mine told me, about
Speaker 4: SO i went and looked up the. Podcast. Today dan
Speaker 4: McDonell was on a was on a show today In
Speaker 4: louisville and he said the reason there was a conflict
Speaker 4: With kentucky And louisville's baseball coaches when they played the
Speaker 4: other day was was due to tampering by The kentucky.
Speaker 4: STAFF i mean he as much as said, it, okay
Speaker 4: and SO i JUST i just found that very.
Speaker 2: Interesting, YEAH i mean it's not surprising, sometimes, yeah it's not,
Speaker 2: surprising but it also is another reminder of where we.
Speaker 2: Are is it a jerry that like, nowadays you, know
Speaker 2: coaches will tell you what they're what they're upset about
Speaker 2: when they have those little, riffs right, Right.
Speaker 4: But that's all got A i go with, prior who
Speaker 4: knows we're the lane that thanks a, lot appreciate.
Speaker 2: It. Yeah so, yeah there was a little bit of
Speaker 2: a of a of a CONFRONTATION i guess before the
Speaker 2: game started between louisll And kentucky and. Baseball AND i
Speaker 2: did not hear, that but that would that would uh
Speaker 2: that makes. Sense, Also Nick, minione that kind of seems
Speaker 2: like a. LUNATIC i, MEAN i don't, mean there's no
Speaker 2: way to say that without it being like an, insult
Speaker 2: BUT i, mean he's the guy runs. HOTS i don't
Speaker 2: know WHAT i did see, LATER i guess a few
Speaker 2: days after they Played louisville In louisville one that he
Speaker 2: got ejected and you, know got like bumping with the
Speaker 2: ump and WHICH i guess that's not that. Uncommon but,
Speaker 2: YEAH i just wish and this is one, thing And
Speaker 2: i'll get back to sort of What jerry, said because
Speaker 2: there have some thoughts on on on on on a
Speaker 2: lot of what he had to say. There but whenever
Speaker 2: you would hear a press conference from a coach and
Speaker 2: they would talk about tampering going on and complaining and
Speaker 2: this and, THAT i, REMEMBER i, mean, like say who it? Is,
Speaker 2: like why bring it? Up if you're not gonna call
Speaker 2: somebody out like it's such A i think you think
Speaker 2: you're like y'all better be careful Because i'll Start i'll
Speaker 2: start naming. Names now you won't you're scared to do
Speaker 2: it or you would already do. It LIKE i, mean,
Speaker 2: LIKE i will say this one person THAT i never
Speaker 2: THOUGHT i would be at any point using as an
Speaker 2: example to give him praise, for you, know putting his
Speaker 2: name on, it not being. Afraid Scott, saderfield my man
Speaker 2: was was emotional at midfield After Mark stoops and his
Speaker 2: team Bullied. LOUISVILLE i mean that was that was that was,
Speaker 2: honestly that's when he lost, me to be honest with,
Speaker 2: you not that it matters, me but like that was so.
Speaker 2: Weak but he did if you, remember AND ill, Said
Speaker 2: i'm sure you remember, This scott said of a called
Speaker 2: Out Nick saban by. Name, YEAH i mean he said
Speaker 2: that that that receiver that never made. UP i don't
Speaker 2: known to be caught a pass in his career after
Speaker 2: he Left, louisville But louisville had that Speechter Tyler BROWN
Speaker 2: i think was his, name and he transferred From louisville
Speaker 2: to To, bama never could get on the. FIELD i
Speaker 2: think he didn ended up At miami And i'm not
Speaker 2: sure if he had. Play that's WHAT i. Say, Brown i'm,
Speaker 2: sorry you're, right, Yeah Tyler, Harrold, yes thank you for
Speaker 2: correcting me on. That, YEAH i remember, Him but Like,
Speaker 2: saban he ended up like responding to it in some,
Speaker 2: interview you, know down the. Line but of all, THINGS
Speaker 2: i thought i'd be singling Out Scott saderfel for it
Speaker 2: wouldn't be to say at least when he did say
Speaker 2: that somebody tampered he. MENTIONED i don't know if he
Speaker 2: Said saban's, name but he Said, alabama which you know
Speaker 2: everybody knows he was running that program at that. Time so,
Speaker 2: anyways but, no With Nata, ment you, know the knock
Speaker 2: would be that he's just physically NOT i, mean he's
Speaker 2: an eighteen year old and he looks like, it and
Speaker 2: you used to be able to get by with that
Speaker 2: much much better than you can. Now but the issue
Speaker 2: is that young freshmen that you, know used to be
Speaker 2: able to not really get exposed for being eighteen fresh
Speaker 2: out of high. School the difference now is, that and
Speaker 2: this is pretty, obvious dudes stick around for four or
Speaker 2: five years if they can in college to where you're
Speaker 2: going to be playing against more, physical more physically built
Speaker 2: grown men Like native men may have the skill and
Speaker 2: the talent level and the potential to be an all time,
Speaker 2: great but he's entering college with a frame that's Not Cooper,
Speaker 2: flag that's not Even Ron. Knipple that AS i said,
Speaker 2: earlier there's no way to say. That i'm truth, Me i'm.
Speaker 2: Not i'm not acting Like Nata mint is not as
Speaker 2: good of a player as CAN i. Rouse But coni
Speaker 2: rousays a true freshman was physically more ready than native
Speaker 2: man is right. Now don't mean you don't take, Him
Speaker 2: but that's WHY i think you would take Prior and
Speaker 2: To jerry's point About casson's production last year before the,
Speaker 2: injury he just gave you a different, wrinkle meaning he
Speaker 2: was an athlete at that position you did not. Have
Speaker 2: he was a good enough athlete in ball handler at
Speaker 2: his size to get to the free throw, line and
Speaker 2: he would usually cash him when he got to the.
Speaker 2: Line he could run the floor better than any of our.
Speaker 2: Bigs he was good in transition as far as. Finishing,
Speaker 2: clearly we saw that he's got some tools that you
Speaker 2: really could have. Utilized but it is a little bit
Speaker 2: tough to. Like With casin and With, korn we really
Speaker 2: don't know exactly what we. LOST i think we would
Speaker 2: have honestly viewed those guys as a lot better than
Speaker 2: they actually. Are Had louisville's season, crumbled but it, didn't
Speaker 2: you were able to still put together a good season
Speaker 2: and have a good team without. Them that doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that they were useless and you didn't need. Them BUT
Speaker 2: i think With, casein my guess is, this he's not
Speaker 2: getting the same amount of money that he did a year,
Speaker 2: ago and it's because he's coming fresh off of AN acl,
Speaker 2: tear And, louisville of course has had to you, know
Speaker 2: spend money like AND i get like you may feel
Speaker 2: like that was. Wrong And i'm not Saying i'm not
Speaker 2: speaking for him at. ALL i don't MEAN i have
Speaker 2: no clue how he's. FEELING i do think he's gonna come,
Speaker 2: back AND i wouldn't be shocked if he announced this
Speaker 2: it this, week but we shall. See you, know you
Speaker 2: just don't. Know BUT i would say that not only
Speaker 2: Is louisville more willing to you, know risk life without
Speaker 2: him because of THE acl, injury to where maybe they
Speaker 2: just don't know how like they don't know if it's
Speaker 2: worthy of spending that kind of money on a guy
Speaker 2: that might take a little while to shake off some
Speaker 2: rusting get back to himself because of the injury that he.
Speaker 2: Had but also they're not in a position like they
Speaker 2: were a year. Ago they needed a guy that could
Speaker 2: give you exactly what he gave you last, year and
Speaker 2: now they're, not you know WHAT i. Mean, like it's
Speaker 2: not to say that Like cason can move, On we'll
Speaker 2: go get another guy just like. Him trust, Me it's
Speaker 2: not Like i'm acting like he's he's a dime a,
Speaker 2: dozen but you know you've Got hadley. Back he showed
Speaker 2: what he can. DO i Think Sonny frew is not as,
Speaker 2: skilled maybe as a, prior but like he's he can
Speaker 2: play the, four and he. Can And jerry mentioned they
Speaker 2: need another bang or another guy that's physical around the,
Speaker 2: rim AND i would. AGREE i Think freu could be that.
Speaker 2: GUY i, mean it's tough to, know but like he
Speaker 2: has been playing against grown men and he, yes he'll
Speaker 2: be a freshman in his first year of college, basketball
Speaker 2: but he's also going to be twenty one years. Old so,
Speaker 2: YEAH i think With casein he's the right play in my,
Speaker 2: opinion if he came down, to, like which one do you?
Speaker 2: Take if he could take, both you get. It BUT
Speaker 2: i think with case and you Know louisville AND i
Speaker 2: have no clue how negotiations. Work is it the collective?
Speaker 2: Right is? It is It Dan furman in THE fabo
Speaker 2: two circle talking to, agent To cayson's agent or his,
Speaker 2: DAD i, DON'T i don't, know but the reality is,
Speaker 2: This louisvill's in a position to where if he doesn't
Speaker 2: want to take what they, Like i'm sure they want,
Speaker 2: it and maybe they, counter like maybe maybe he counters
Speaker 2: and they match. IT i don't. KNOW i don't know
Speaker 2: what the negotiation, is but they are in a position
Speaker 2: now to where they they're more able TO i guess
Speaker 2: envision life without him one because they've got a roster
Speaker 2: that's in solid shape right now as it, is and
Speaker 2: they saw that they could be successful without him last.
Speaker 2: Year that's not to say, that oh who cares like
Speaker 2: we don't need him if he wants to be, here,
Speaker 2: cool but, like you, know it is what it. Is
Speaker 2: that's how it played out. Now Korin johnson going To
Speaker 2: ole Miss that's that's a good get For Chris. BEARD
Speaker 2: i think THAT'S i think that's a you, Know koran
Speaker 2: is the absolute guy that you just don't know what
Speaker 2: you didn't have because he played in The bahamas and
Speaker 2: then he played Against tennessee and whoever they opened up,
Speaker 2: with who was? It remember who they opened? Up oh Morehead?
Speaker 2: State AND i don't even know what he did numbers,
Speaker 2: Wise but he's a talented. Guy he's a good. ATHLETE
Speaker 2: i still believe that he actually had he been fully,
Speaker 2: HEALTHY i think he would have been a bigger asset than,
Speaker 2: casein but that's just because you, Know chucky had to
Speaker 2: do a lot And fat ended up kind of really
Speaker 2: coming on. Late and he was good all, year, honestly
Speaker 2: AND i give him a lot of credit for adjusting
Speaker 2: and adapting as guys got hurt and kind of really
Speaker 2: finding himself within this within this. Team But coorn was
Speaker 2: a guy that you could bring off the, bench that
Speaker 2: was a guard that you, know he could give you
Speaker 2: sixteen points and a half if he just gets roll
Speaker 2: into where he's knocking down shots in. Transition AND i,
Speaker 2: REALLY i really would have loved to have seen him play,
Speaker 2: here but obviously he wanted to move, on AND i
Speaker 2: wouldn't be shocked if he has a lot of success At.
Speaker 2: Ole miss all, right quick, break we'll come back on
Speaker 2: the other. Side we probably won't get to, it you,
Speaker 2: know a whole out here in this final segment in
Speaker 2: the four o'clock. Hour But indiana, Losing i'm, Sorry indiana
Speaker 2: getting a recruit, TRANSFER i should say Over Mark. POPE i,
Speaker 2: Mean kentucky will probably be just fine BECAUSE i Think
Speaker 2: Mark pope's a good enough coach to where they'll like
Speaker 2: he'll make it work with what he. Has that's how.
Speaker 2: MUCH i believe he's a good. COACH i WISH i
Speaker 2: WISH i didn't believe. THAT i wish it wasn't the.
Speaker 2: Case But i'm just being honest with. You but like
Speaker 2: this is this is another example of what we've seen
Speaker 2: in The pope, era and it's again. Knock this isn't
Speaker 2: even a knock On. Pope but Like kentucky with cal
Speaker 2: for so, long they're not. Loose they're not used to
Speaker 2: losing anybody to, anybody, right, transfers freshmen, whatever they usually
Speaker 2: get about anybody they. Want And pope missed on some
Speaker 2: guys last year and it worked out fine for. Him
Speaker 2: it'll probably be the same. Thing but Like, indiana The
Speaker 2: hoosiers are filling themselves a little bit.
Speaker 1: Here darien.
Speaker 2: DEVREES i, mean he got one Over pope and this
Speaker 2: is the old like you can't sell but, like oh
Speaker 2: we didn't prioritize, Him no you did both did you
Speaker 2: went full? Go and he Chose, indiana Which i'm surprised
Speaker 2: by but could pick up for The hoosiers no. Doubt quick,
Speaker 2: break we'll wrap it up on the other, side meaning
Speaker 2: the four o'clock hour stick around On Sports talk seven.
Speaker 1: Ninety now back To coffee And, company fueled By thornton's
Speaker 1: On Sports talk seven nine.
Speaker 2: Day we'll get to it in the five o'clock. Hour
Speaker 2: But Lamar, Wilkins Lamar wilkerson's quote that he gave when Committee.
Speaker 2: INDIANA i, mean it's just one player and maybe he
Speaker 2: just got sold such a phenomenal opportunity By Darien. Debrees
Speaker 2: AM i saying that? RIGHT i, MEAN i think It's.
Speaker 3: Divirees it's Not Deverrise, direes, yeah or is The? Devrees either,
Speaker 3: way where's the emphasis? At and it's Not Darren Darien
Speaker 3: DEBREES i.
Speaker 2: Believe is his name So? Darien so, Anyway i'm not
Speaker 2: sure If i'm saying his name correctly or, not BUT
Speaker 2: i need to come correct and put some respect on
Speaker 2: the name BECAUSE i, mean he kind of just body
Speaker 2: Bagged Mark pope because he got this young man to
Speaker 2: believe That indiana is really the program That kentucky. Is
Speaker 2: if you if you read what he said About, indiana
Speaker 2: you would think he was talking about the other. Programs
Speaker 2: so hell of a JOB i guess By, Devrees DeVries.
Speaker 2: Whatever and again we'll get more into that on the other.
Speaker 2: Side we don't have much time left here in the
Speaker 2: four o'clock, hour and we do have to get out
Speaker 2: a little bit early today because of A bats, Game
Speaker 2: so we'll make the most of the five o'clock, card
Speaker 2: but real quick before we, do take our next break,
Speaker 2: here before we get to the. Five The colorado football,
Speaker 2: program without, question became much more profitable notable they've benefit
Speaker 2: they've benefited from Hiring Deon sanders because not only is
Speaker 2: he bringing them attention that really nobody else. Could they're,
Speaker 2: better Like colorado has been a better, program but they
Speaker 2: also really haven't accomplished much of. Anything and the level
Speaker 2: in which THEY i guess to them, ACCOMPLISHMENTS i don't
Speaker 2: believe is based off of winning important. GAMES i think
Speaker 2: it's just off of doing numbers on the. Internet Like
Speaker 2: i'm not. Kidding So colorado yesterday announced they're going to
Speaker 2: retire the numbers two and twelve in honor Of Shadower
Speaker 2: sanders And Travis. Hunter Travis hunter at a place Like,
Speaker 2: COLORADO i feel like it is worthy that you retire his. Number,
Speaker 2: now with that, SAID i Mean lowell did it With.
Speaker 2: Lamar but with that, SAID i, mean Did colorado have
Speaker 2: they ever had any Other Heisman trophy? WINNERS i don't
Speaker 2: think they. HAVE i Know Cordell steart went. THERE i
Speaker 2: believe it Was Cordell, stewart and they had they. Wanted
Speaker 2: most people don't realize. This they won a national championship
Speaker 2: AND i don't know what year it, was and it
Speaker 2: was one of those years where maybe they along with
Speaker 2: one other, team claimed to be now national. Champions, yeah
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety they were the national. Champs so you, know
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of a. Surprise but, again he's
Speaker 2: he's he's, Special Travis. HUNTER i, mean he's super talented
Speaker 2: both sides of the ball like. THAT i don't really
Speaker 2: have an issue. With it's just rare to see it
Speaker 2: happen that. Early but, Again louisville Retired lamar's pretty, early
Speaker 2: AND i actually think it was a reminder that you
Speaker 2: should honor these guys when they're in their prime more
Speaker 2: so than you should. Whin they're like the people who
Speaker 2: showed up to See lamar get his number, retired everybody
Speaker 2: knew who he. Was if they'd ha done it When
Speaker 2: lamar was seventy, eight you'd probably know the, name but
Speaker 2: like the vast majority of those in attendance wouldn't be
Speaker 2: able to say they were alive when he played, there
Speaker 2: SO i actually liked doing it on the younger side
Speaker 2: more so than the older. Side but either, Way Shdoor
Speaker 2: sanders does NOT i mean what LIKE i, mean they
Speaker 2: went thirteen and twelve total in two seasons At, colorado
Speaker 2: those two guys, did and you, know the program no conference.
Speaker 2: CHAMPIONSHIPS i, MEAN i JUST i really. DON'T i don't get.
Speaker 1: It and.
Speaker 2: It's not that big of a deal in the grand
Speaker 2: scheme of, things, like it's just what they decide to, do,
Speaker 2: RIGHT i, mean it's, harmless, Right BUT i feel like
Speaker 2: the THINGS i used to just say kind of tongue
Speaker 2: in cheek and there was clearly some exaggeration involved in.
Speaker 2: It MAYBE i should have said it without. It maybe
Speaker 2: it's just the, truth because, again you are retiring numbers
Speaker 2: of players who in you, know two seasons At colorado
Speaker 2: they went eight and ten in The big twelve in
Speaker 2: The pac. TWELVE i, mean they didn't win a bowl,
Speaker 2: game they didn't win their. Conference LIKE i just the
Speaker 2: only thing you could Claim Shador sanders would be would
Speaker 2: be retired for is that he was really famous on
Speaker 2: the internet and brought notoriety to the program because of
Speaker 2: that the way That colorado handles. THEMSELVES i, MEAN i
Speaker 2: don't think these guys are losers and don't want to,
Speaker 2: win but they're they're okay with losing if they're doing
Speaker 2: numbers LIKE i think. THAT i, mean you saw how
Speaker 2: they acted when THEY i, mean the first season was
Speaker 2: a really big, tell and last year they were better
Speaker 2: and they made big. Improvements but, like here's something that
Speaker 2: wouldn't be really far fetched and really wouldn't be a
Speaker 2: surprise to anybody Without Travis. Hunter Does Dean sanders ever
Speaker 2: have a winning season again At? Colorado? NO i MEAN
Speaker 2: i could be. WRONG i was. WRONG i thought they
Speaker 2: wouldn't be a team that won seven league games last.
Speaker 2: Year but, like and, look every, player every coach who's
Speaker 2: best player, Ever, like how Would Charlie strong be remembered
Speaker 2: if he never Coached? Teddy? Right how Would bobby be
Speaker 2: remembered Post arkansas if he never Had? Lamar like every
Speaker 2: coach is clearly going to be dependent upon their elite
Speaker 2: player being. Great but, LIKE i Think colorado is fine
Speaker 2: if they're not, like as long as they're not like
Speaker 2: the doormat of their, league they can go five and,
Speaker 2: seven five and, seven six and, six, six and, six
Speaker 2: and If dion is still doing big numbers and they're
Speaker 2: still very much in the news in the limelight because of,
Speaker 2: him they're fine with. It and to be, fair even
Speaker 2: though it's still not SOMETHING i think you should be
Speaker 2: retiring numbers over or acting like you've done something. Substantial
Speaker 2: they are better than they, were, right you know WHAT i?
Speaker 2: Mean like that's how Bad colorado was when they Hired.
Speaker 2: Dion BUT i just feel like when you've got all
Speaker 2: of that, flash all of that, hype all that talking
Speaker 2: and yapping that they, DO i just feel like at
Speaker 2: some point there'd be a level of being humbled because
Speaker 2: you have no substance to follow.
Speaker 1: It it's just.
Speaker 2: Hype and that's what it still. Is like When Dan
Speaker 2: lanning yelled About colorado in that locker room Before oregon
Speaker 2: went out there and beat their, ass he said it
Speaker 2: perfectly like they're playing for, clicks we're playing for, Wins
Speaker 2: AND i really don't think that that's up for debate
Speaker 2: at this, point and they can. Be you, know there's
Speaker 2: footage of them getting embarrassed by teams and still talking
Speaker 2: trash like it's JUST i don't get. IT i don't
Speaker 2: get it all right five o'clock, hours next right here
Speaker 2: On Sports talk seven ninety