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Speaker 1: Welcome to this edition of The High Strangeness Factor, copyrighted

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on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. On The High Strangers Factor,

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we explore all aspects of the unexplained and the paranormal.

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We put a special emphasis on the connections and underlying

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patterns that include UFOs, cryptids and psychic phenomena. Our three

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regular hosts are Andy Mercer, co founder, co creator of

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The High Strangeness Factor and producer of the show, Susie Bastile,

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the show archivist recorder, and resident pug Wedgy Whisper. Also

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today we have a return of Brandy, our top guest

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co host, and me. I'm Steve Ward, a retired man

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of leisure who occasionally references John Keel on the show. Well,

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great to be back, guys, and I'll introduce her guests

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in just a moment. But let's see Andy, you give

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us an update on your publishing company and anything else.

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Speaker 2: Doing well a half quite as soon today. The next

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book Will is literally going to the printer's probably Monday,

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which is on ancient Greek magic, which I've been working

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on for quite a while. Don't both the whole story,

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but I had a couple of health issues over the summer,

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which have kind of not been a bit sarways in

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terms of getting work done. So these books are rather late,

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but it's going to the printers, as I say, hopefully Monday,

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should be out in November. I say it's an element

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of ancient Greek magic that become very important thing called

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the Bonus Ritual, which is all Crowley and gold and

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all that kind of stuff. And this is the new

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version of the first translation of the eighteen fifties. What

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I've done is modernize the text because at the moment

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there's only a the original eighteen fifties version, which is

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not that clear, both in terms of the way it's

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written and physically. It's quite a bit of a message

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call an old documents, a modernized version of that which

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will be out, as I say, hopefully in November, which

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I'm other please about just take a bit longer than

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I'm expected, but it's coming very good.

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Speaker 1: And are you starting your YouTube videos again? Well?

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Speaker 2: Yes, the panel U came net to work is up

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and running properly again. It we're went quite for quite

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a while. Well, I don't know if you've been on

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the recently, Steve, for those little cryptic foul videos you

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used to make of four or five sort of ghostly events,

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a bit like Nick Top five that kind of thing.

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I've broken them down into individual episodes, so like a

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two minute long little video which I like a couple

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of times a week and get some traction, some interesting

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I'm also uploading obviously our shows, all the ones in

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the network, and in fact, I've just put up today

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actually an old one of the hours that we did

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a couple of years back when we interviewed Jock Johnson

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with the New York Police Officer with his stories of

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strangers in the New York Police Officers. I've just literally

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brought that one out again today after about three years,

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so that seems to be getting some interest as well.

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So yeah, it's all all moving forward. The network itself

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is doing okay, it's quite busy. We've got some couple

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of new shows hopefully coming online fairly soon, but we

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should have to wait and see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've actually been around a while, which is pretty amazing,

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I know. But by the way, do people can they

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order your books through Amazon or do they go directly.

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Speaker 2: To your own Most of the sort of cult book

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suppliers that Miskatonic Books is probably the biggest in America.

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Mind from or Ninth Circle Press, which is me directly

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you can order it from. I'm not going through Amazon

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at the moment. I am considering paperback versions of the

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books of publish are not know any hardback, and potentially

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as they go onto paper I may well end up

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on Amazon eventually. But they are not very good Amazon.

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They are. They take you quite a sizeable chunk of

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your money away from all this, I'm not too keen

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to go to them. But know if you get a

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ninth Ninth Circle Press dot com or Ninth Circle Press

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dot co dot UK, either one you'll come to my

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publishing page or from directly from me, or you can

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get it from a various I cult dealers around the

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UK and in America. As I say, but if you

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go to me, you get an extra You always get

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a specialized bookmark which each one goes with the specific books,

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not as a general bookmark. You only get that from me.

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So people want to have a book about ancient Greek

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magic going to my website and it will be available

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to say, hopefully early next month.

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Speaker 1: Will there ever be any audible versions?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, it's a possibility. Certainly one

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of two of the earlier ones I've done could potentially.

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should do that kind of stuff, audio books. I like

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Speaker 3: Ever finish it, which you know, that's right, absolutely years

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about ten years now and it's nowhere near finished. One

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of these days I actually will get around to finishing that,

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but at the moment it's just sort of sitting there

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in bits and pieces. But yeah, so possibly not because

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the cold books don't tend to.

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Speaker 2: Give it goes audiobooks because they are often practical books,

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so they're literally giving you instructions of how to do stuff.

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Speaker 1: And Susie tell us about the Puglogy Whisperer and how

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people can tell about their experiences and how they can

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contact you.

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Speaker 4: So my blog, my blog is Puckologies dot blogs but

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dot com on Pucklogy whisper on YouTube, and I do

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have some exclusive personal news that I've been waiting to

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share with you guys. I'm pretty sure I talked to

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a dead person for the first time ever recently. Oh,

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not the dead person I was trying to talk to,

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and not when I was trying to talk to them.

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But nonetheless, it's finally happened.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to tell us now or do you

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want to wait a while into the program?

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Speaker 4: Well, it might not be too exciting the actual story,

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so I might have just set myself up to disappoint.

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But I heard after like feeling like my aunt who

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we called beats Auntie beats around thinking about her for

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a couple of days. I heard her say in her voice,

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Dad is with Kenny now, and I could not figure

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out what that meant until after I spoke to my mother,

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and Kenny was her old my grandfather. His name was

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also Ken, So at first I said, you know, why

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is she saying Grandpa's with himself? That makes no sense.

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and he passed away when he was about two. So

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she was telling me that her oldest brother and her

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father that have both passed her together now and she

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passed about twenty years ago now, so that was interesting.

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I still have not gotten to pash it out with

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my great grandma. I've been trying to figure out. But

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it's a step I do.

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Speaker 1: Have to ask quickly. Did you watch the Expedition X

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episode on the Bridgewater Triangle.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to watch it today because I didn't

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want to get angry before recording.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I think I think you'll be pleasantly pleased. Anyway,

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Susie has done a lot of wanderings and investigations into

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the Bridgewater Triangle and with the pug Wedgies hang out.

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Susie's reaction to Expedition EX, like live reactions.

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Speaker 5: Afterwards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well explicit probably.

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Speaker 1: It could be a great YouTube moment, I can tell you. So, Brandy,

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do you want to promote anything?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: Okay, if you decide later, like during intermission, you can

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promote something. But anyway, I think we should actually introduce

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our guests. And if I just click the right button here,

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I'll find their intro. Here we go. Star and Collier

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Wilnos have been researching in the field of bigfoot for

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over ten years when they began seeing a parallel of

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anomalists and paranormal encounters being observed alongside the big Foot phenomena. Together,

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they started Anomalists Midwest to further their investigations on the

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strange phenomena happening within the heartland. Star Intel, Welcome to

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the High Stranges Factor.

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Speaker 6: Oh we have sound effects now.

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Speaker 1: We have to have you on the show.

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Speaker 6: So well, thank you for having us. We're glad to

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Speaker 1: And I've already told the gang here and of course

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you guys and Brandy and I have been together a

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couple of times at the the Van Meter Visitor Festival,

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which is held in Iowa. The Van Meter Iowa the

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last weekend in September to commemorate the Weekend of Terror

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that happened in nineteen oh three with the winged creature,

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and it's just a great event, which you know Brandy

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and I have. I met Brandy at the what was it,

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the twenty twenty seventeen, Yeah, twenty seventeen Van Meter Festival, Right,

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that sounds about right. Way back in the old base sixteen,

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I think sixteen was the was the dog Man Symposium? Yeah, yes,

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ladies and gentlemen, there was a dog Man Symposium in Defiance, Ohio,

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which was pretty good. But uh, back in those days,

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we we uh had we sat outside on bleachers next

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to this tiny little library, and but since in it's grown,

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we actually are in a VFW hall with a great

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I guess I guess we'll start with, uh, how the

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heck did you guys get involved in this? I mean

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Speaker 2: You?

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Speaker 1: You? You pursued this separately before you knew each other?

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Speaker 2: Guys?

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Speaker 6: Well? How deep do we want to go into our

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origin story?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Deep, deep, deep, Listen, this is a deep show

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with applause, so go ahead.

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Speaker 6: Well, we started through another friend's podcast called The Squash

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or the Line ran by Jeffrey Kelly. At the time,

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he used to always open up the Google hangouts back

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when that was still a thing for all the audience

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to come in and hang out. And that's kind of

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how we met and just chatted off and on over

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the years via Twitter, the artist formerly known as Twitter. Yeah,

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un till eventually we just kind of realized, oh, wait,

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can we like each other more than trends? Let's join

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forces and look for the big beats. Yep.

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Speaker 5: Then we started researching together and created a novelist Midwest

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I've been mostly beaten around here in Iowa and

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then southern Illinois where there's a lot of hot spot

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sightings for various sorts of stuff. Of course, Bigfoot's baked

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down there. Of course there's the Tuttle Bottom sponsor or

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the Enfield Horror. Yeah yeah, they also have like thunderbird

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sightings down there. Oh so yeah, that's kind of where

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we're traveling a lot around the Midwest, why don't we

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Speaker 1: And just start did you did you live in Canada? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm from Alberta, oh Okay, Saskatchewan area.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how about that. You know, I used to make

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a lot of jokes about Saskatchewan and Saskatoon that sort

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tour guides on the Mothman U at the Mothman Festival

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that at the at the Mothman Hay Ride on Saturday night,

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from Siswan. I swear to god, I thought, holy crap.

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you know, it's kind of goofy. Thought, what are the

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chances of meeting somebody from Saskatchewan at the monk Man Festival.

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Speaker 6: They kind of seemed like they have to travel down

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here for all the cryptoid stuff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we don't have too many festivals going on up

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, my my grandmother. We were just talking

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French Canadian. We just thought she was like regular Canadian,

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Speaker 6: Was she from Quebec?

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Speaker 1: She we we thought she was born in Elmer, Ontario.

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So what's the do you know, what's what's the town

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or building to cross the river from Elmer, do you know,

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oh gosh, now whatever whenever that was, that's where she

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was born. We didn't know until after she died. I

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won't tell that story again, but you know, maybe maybe

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next Van Meter Festival I'll tell you guys. So now, uh, now,

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you guys have been betrothed for about a year or so.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yep, straight uh. Like when we were at the

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first Van Meter festival, we went to before right for

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the last tour of the day, we snuck out to

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the mine where I proposed to her right in front

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of the mine.

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Speaker 1: Now that explained to everybody what the what the what

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the minds are in reference to the.

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Speaker 6: So basically with the whole Van Meter saga, it kind

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of climaxed with the townspeople tracking these things out to

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the mine. Well, at the time they thought it was

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just one, but when they got out to the mine,

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they saw a smaller version of the creature come out

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of the mine, and both of them took off into

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the sky where there was a almost like climactic gun

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battle where they were trying to take these things down

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before they just finally push them back into the mine.

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And from there it's kind of up in the air

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where they just close the mine off or.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I can't think of a better place

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for a wedding proposal.

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Speaker 5: Yep, this is where we met, right, So I was

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very fitting.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I felt like that was just the perfect place

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to pop the question. Like you said, we started off

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with cryptids. We're both weirdo oddballs, so choose a weirdo

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oddball place.

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Speaker 1: She's very good works, now you you do you have

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several investigations going on. I know there's a particular Bigfoot

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investigation that you're involved in in Uh, you know, it's

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really weird to it's some parts of the US to

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think of them having cryptids. I mean, you mentioned the

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in fuel whore, that three legged creepy thing in what

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was it Indiana or Illinois?

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Speaker 6: Right, it was in Illinois. It was in Enfield, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I mean and and you know, I uh

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and forgive me, Iowan's it's just it's hard to imagine, Uh,

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cryptis in bigfoot in Iowa. For crying out loud, what's

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you know?

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Speaker 6: I get that, well, that's like the most common thing

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we get. But there's actually a surprising amount of high

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strangeness that happens here in the Hawkeye state. I mean,

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David Weatherley clearly was able to write a whole book

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on this stuff, which is how we met you guys.

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We're the only people that knew the Ottison case, which

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was the one you're referencing, right, Yeah, that was the

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main investigation that we're kind of we're on.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of like started it all off because like,

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of course Bigfoot is where we gravitated towards you first.

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So we dug into this case, and this case kind

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of was.

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Speaker 6: Like a springboard that led us to stranger cases. It's

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just it's like a series of events, one after the

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other after the other, that is all happening in this

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kind of pocketed area the state that spans all the

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way up from the Humboldt area down to through Van Meter, yeah,

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and clear to the bottom of the state even.

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Speaker 1: And for those that aren't familiar that familiar with Iowa,

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like like me, what can you kind of paint a

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picture of what section of the state this is in.

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Speaker 6: So the Humboldt area where we're kind of focused on

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is about a two hour drive from the northwest of

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Des Moines up towards the northwest corner and along the

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Des Moines River, where a lot of this phenomena kind

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of seems to follow in a way, especially with the

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bigfoot type phenomena. And then we found another connection where

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it also seems to follow a particular highway one sixty

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nine down horizontally through the vertically through the state.

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Speaker 1: What uh, so you're the the bigfoot experiences you're looking at?

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They do? They seem to be more than just some

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kind of a I don't know, Harry primate wandering around.

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There's there's there's more a deeper dimension to this.

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Speaker 6: Do you want to go first or do you want me? Okay? Well,

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that was an interesting thing to dive into because at

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least for me, I come from flesh and blood bigfoot idea.

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But the more I got into it, like with the

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Audisin case, there were just some weird aspects to a

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lot of the cases that come our way to where

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we kind of wonder if there's a weirder dimension to

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it all. In the Addison case alone, there were stuff

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that kind of we're a bit more akin to like

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high strange just mothman type cases where the creature was

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seen with glowing eyes, and then some like disembodied voice

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that was asking questions related to time, like the first

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sighting of the Addison creature the mother once they heard

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the daughter scream and when they came to help ask

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you the daughter. Basically they saw the creature running away

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and they heard a male voice. Does somebody voice ask?

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Does anyone know what time it is?

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Speaker 5: So it's very uh and that was actually something you're

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going to write off at first.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I kind of thought that was like, oh, that's

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obviously a hoaxer or somebody like hearing the commotion, but

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they stated that nobody recognized the boys. And then when

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we were looking into the hoaxer angle, nothing lined up

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because there was a guy that was claiming to be

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the hoaxer, but he couldn't like his timeline was way

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off because he said he stopped it when the guns

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came out, And the guns came out midway through the

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whole chain of events.

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Speaker 1: It ud Does anybody else want to chime in at

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this moment here?

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Speaker 2: Just wondering? So have them at other times when you

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had that kind of experience where it's more than just

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apparently flesh and blood creature, or you've had this kind

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of weird anomally. It is occurring.

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Speaker 6: A few times sometimes in southern Illinois. I've heard like

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more cloaked stuff, like people described it like the shimmer

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Man or Predator, where it's like coming into being in

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a way. Uh, some encounters where people have described it

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as a very word entity flickering kind of almost like

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this idea of it's like manifesting or temporarily visible on

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our plane.

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Speaker 2: Is it a funny question, I know, but is it

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kind of difficult to go from that flesh and blood

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eyed flesh and blood, flesh and blood I can't speaking

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today the flesh and blood idea to the more panelal

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kind of weird? Is it difficult to transition from one

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idea to the other. Over Here we tended more UFO

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based rather than don't occurrences. There's definitely nuts and bolts

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from other planets, UFO people here and alter terrestrials other

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reality people here, and going for one camp to the

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other is unusual. To be sure, we say that people

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don't tend to migrate from one to the other, although

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I think the ultra terrestrial argument is getting stronger with

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people I know sort of thinking, hey, you know, they're

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doing too many weird things just to be quote, just spacehops,

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mother planets is more going on you. But there is

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a lot of diehards who still won't even consider the

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ideas that being able to go from one sort of

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position to the other you found that easy to do

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was It's like.

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Speaker 6: I felt, it was like just the journey we were on.

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It became easier as we delved into it because a

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lot of the sources that we kind of draw up

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on as for like what kind of gave us the

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spot was guys like John Keel, Brad Steiger, folks of

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that ill because I feel like, especially with Bigfoot camps,

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there is of course that harsh line. There's the flesh

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and blood bigfooters, and then there are the paranormal people.

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And a lot of the paranormal people tend to be

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a bit hippy ish, hippy dippy, which I feel kind

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of as a little bit of a barrier where they're like, oh,

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they're peace of love, they're the tree people, and I'm like, well,

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that's like, dude, but we literally have accounts of them

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attacking people that doesn't kind of fit with the peace

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and love angle you want to go with, and reading

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into stuff like the works of Keel and Brad Steiger.

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As we're getting into kind of these stranger big bootcases

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with Ottison, where like there's almost like more like traditional

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high strangeness cryptos lap characteristics popping up with these big

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boat accounts, that oldra terrestrial angle kind of clicks and

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made me think, Okay, maybe there is something to this

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paranormal stuff just detached from the kind of a lack

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of a better word, the woo woo angle. The most

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difficult probably just interacting with the people we've known through

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Bigfoot world. We in fact have a friend that just

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is like very he has opinions, he has interesting opinions.

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Speaker 5: But then again, we don't want to close ourselves off

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to what it could be because we all we don't know,

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and if we were just like we we put it

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in a box of it has to be flush and blood.

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Though then any other account that's outside of that we're

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closing ourselves off to because we still don't know. So

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that's why we are open to everything. We take it

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all the details of the cases that we get, even

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if it's really strange. Yeah, and we actually look like

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that it.

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Speaker 6: Works symbiotically for us because there are other researchers in

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our state that anytime they get a case that's kind

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of a little too weird for them, they send it.

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Speaker 5: Really strange.

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 6: I'm glad that they do that, because I know other

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organizations tend to just throw those cases in a trash bed.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of weird. We think. Put the outside world

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Joe pubby normal people. They're all weird though, Space Alian

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big Fis. You're all just weird to that. Sort of

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divisional fighting in the community is always get strange to be,

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but it's a part of you and nature as well.

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Of course. Do you find it's a regional thing that

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more flesh and bloods are over say, the West coast

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and sort of more paramela on north And I don't

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know how you divide it up. Do you find there's

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a difference or just nilly, I.

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Speaker 6: Didn't know about it being a regional thing, you know.

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Speaker 5: I think it just depends on where.

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Speaker 6: I think it depends depends on affiliation. Maybe what researchers

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are affiliated with certain organizations. Uh, because we've been all

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over the Midwest at this point and we've kind of

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gotten it all. You'll get the people that are staunchly

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flesh and blood, but like afterwards, after they leave, you

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tend to get the people that are more in the

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paranormal crowd or we're just like I was just kind

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of waiting for him to leave because I didn't want

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to be harassed. Like we got a lot of like

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strange stories when we were at the Big Muddy Festival

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this past summer that were very interesting as far as

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like the more paranormal side of bigfoots, like seeing bigfoots

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in conjunction with the UFOs.

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Speaker 1: And then before you go on, give people an idea

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where the Big Muddy Monster showed up in Illinois. What

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region is that? So if people don't know.

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Speaker 6: That is in the southern Illinois section of the state,

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basically the bottom tip of the state, in the middle

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of the Shawnee National Forest, in the Little Egypt section

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along the Big Muddy River, right.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Stan Gordon, I don't know. Have you Have

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you read Stan Gordon's book Silent Invasion. It's about bigfoot

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and UFOs in southwest Pennsylvania in seventy three and seventy four.

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It gets way way out there and there's an asida.

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I'll have to tell you. A few years ago, I

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spoke at a Bigfoot conference. They actually had a wo

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room along with the They had the bigger room with

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legitimate Bigfoot speakers like Ken Gerhart. And I can't you know,

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this guy's name dropped out of my head. He's a

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well known guy from New Zealand. I think I just can't.

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Speaker 6: I can't think of his anyway with Adam Davies.

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Speaker 1: Adam Davies, Yeah, really good guy. He was speaking at

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the same time I was. He was in the legitimate room.

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I was in the woo room. And so I told

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I told ad him. I said, Adam, you know, I'm

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going around telling people that you stole money from a

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children's charity so that people will come to my talk

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rather than yours. He got, I didn't really do that,

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And even though he did steal from that charity, but

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anyway doing it.

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Speaker 7: But how come the how come the flesh and blood

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people aren't okay with these types of things being you know,

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from another plane if you will, and then manifesting as

476
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,359
flesh and blood for whatever time they're here. I mean,

477
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,119
what how come that's not okay? Because that would solve

478
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,720
the problem for everybody, wouldn't it.

479
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. If you want to go into

480
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,319
your opinions first.

481
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:38,519
Speaker 5: Why, I think they're just wanting to stay purely scientific

482
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:42,839
and saying with the whole un discover ape mm hmm.

483
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,799
Speaker 6: It's also a part of the mythology at this point

484
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:47,920
for them, for lack of a better term, they have

485
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:50,440
such an attachment to it, kind of like the people

486
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,400
who are nuts and bolts UFO people. Yeah, they're holding

487
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,319
very tightly onto it that any challenge to their status quo,

488
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:06,079
they really really don't like it. It's just it's crazy

489
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:09,359
to me because I'm like, well, we haven't solved it,

490
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:12,880
so you can't say those are the rules when we

491
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,160
don't know what the rules are.

492
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's a tired psychotherapist. I can

493
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:21,279
sort of speak to a belief. It's about beliefs. If

494
00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:23,200
you have a belief and you want to hold onto that.

495
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:25,759
If your belief is challenged, it's a challenge to you

496
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:30,039
personally who you are. So if someone's challenges your beliefs,

497
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,960
then they're challenging you as a person, and people tend

498
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:35,279
to retreat deeper into those beliefs. No, maouter what they

499
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:37,960
might be if it's field being challenged. So of course

500
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,240
if you set it stalled out as being a quote

501
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:44,480
scientific flesh and blood bigfoot hunter, you're going to hold

502
00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:47,000
onto that. And it is belief because we haven't proven

503
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:49,200
any of these things exist or not, so it's down

504
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:52,599
to belief. So of course, you know, if you've especially

505
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,559
bit a reputation as being a flesh and blood person,

506
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,640
written books, give talks to et cetera, et cetera. If

507
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,680
you're a suddenly change your position, it's like you're throwing

508
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,799
all that out or it could appear to be. And

509
00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:04,640
that's the real challenge of psychologically, it's like giving up

510
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,200
part of yourself. Yeah, it's Birdie says. I mean, these

511
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,559
things probably are flesh and blood when they appear, but

512
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:11,920
then of course they just disappear.

513
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,359
Speaker 6: And I also feel like the phenomena itself is more

514
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,200
multi faceted where I believe that, like, if there is

515
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:23,119
an actual hidden species and relict dominate, it's probably in

516
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,240
the Pacific Northwest. But when we zoom out into other

517
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:35,119
areas like Iowa, where the habitat isn't the most preferable,

518
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,960
that might be a case where high strangeness version of

519
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,759
Bigfoot probably comes into play. I'm not saying that it

520
00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:48,960
can't also be a flesh and blood We in our

521
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:51,480
lecture at vat Meter we went into that where we

522
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:57,200
discussed the possibility that Iowa could be a TRANSI transitory

523
00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:00,000
state that they used as a part of the migration

524
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:05,640
path because they always followed Des Moines River, it seems,

525
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:11,319
and the timeline as far as when they're seen as

526
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:14,960
part of the year, it's very always pocketed in the

527
00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:17,000
late summer to early fall.

528
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm. So where they have those cornfields.

529
00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 6: To no more interesting detail about a lot of people

530
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,559
that they actually use cornfield is kind of like a cover.

531
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, because people are told don't go play in the

532
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:38,599
corn because you might get lost, and you know, who

533
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,119
knows what else is out there. But I mean kids

534
00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:45,359
are told not to play out there. So maybe that

535
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:47,880
you know, coming through.

536
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 4: We would specifically get told to go play in the corn.

537
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:54,240
Is that like when you say play traffic?

538
00:31:54,319 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 6: Maybe, yeah, they just we're a little bit irritated with

539
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,200
you kids at that.

540
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 4: I'm certain to think that, yeah.

541
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 6: Maybe that's a regional thing.

542
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: Well it didn't help carry granted north by Northwest. That's

543
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,319
I've got about three questions spinning in my head right here.

544
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:24,559
Somebody saved me here, man, I can sort of.

545
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,359
Speaker 6: One of them related to John Keel.

546
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm very proud that I've been holding

547
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:39,000
off not just blurting John keelisms the whole time. But

548
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:41,880
it's a good point that was brought up about, Uh,

549
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,160
you know, if the if these things are perhaps they're

550
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:49,240
their flesh and blood, but that they can somehow move

551
00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:53,319
elsewhere in another realm or dimension or whatever and then

552
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,160
come back like like like Keels window areas or whatever.

553
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:00,519
But then Ron Moorehead seems to think that they sort

554
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:05,519
of manifest become physical, you know, come from a more

555
00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:13,960
ethereal standpoint. So it's very you know the I think Collier,

556
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,400
I think there's probably both. I mean, when you look

557
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,160
at that, there's some instances where you are probably talking

558
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,279
about a flesh and blood creature cryptid in some cases

559
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,599
even Keel back in strange creatures from time and space

560
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,079
thought there were some that were in fact unknown animals,

561
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:37,400
but others fit more the ultra terrestrial aspect. So and

562
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,440
that makes it really hard. I mean, if that's the case,

563
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,279
if you have these two sides, how the hell were

564
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:44,799
you ever going to sort them out?

565
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:46,119
Speaker 7: Yeah?

566
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,039
Speaker 6: I think it kind of just comes down to like

567
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:55,279
cross referencing with the work that everybody else has done,

568
00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:59,119
like Kiel and Steiger, Like we kind of the reason

569
00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:02,119
we came to like at least the Humboldt Bigfoot stuff

570
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,000
being more high strangeness is due to the fact that

571
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,519
there's so much else happening in the state. Like how

572
00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:12,400
he said with window areas, usually when you see like

573
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:19,400
these monster sightings and other phenomenas soon in tow because

574
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,239
when we were actually investigating the Aux case, we were

575
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,440
starting to get other people talking to us about, oh,

576
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,760
we have ghost sightings here, and now we're also there's

577
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,679
UFOs buzzing over the sky. There was actually a very

578
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,880
crazy I told Steve about this at a at the

579
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,400
band Meter Visitors Festival, But there was like one case

580
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,599
in particular we're working on right now that almost was

581
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:43,920
like rips right out of the Mothman prophecies, specifically the

582
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,239
blood truck case.

583
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're talking about if you've read the mock

584
00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:52,360
Nat prophecies, there is a was a bloodmobile that had

585
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,199
been out a whole day collecting blood and they even

586
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,000
name the guy in there. He was being pursued by

587
00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:02,320
some kind of a strange craft or whatever. They kept

588
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,239
getting closer and closer to the bloodmobile and they could

589
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,920
even see something like a mechanical arm coming down and

590
00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:10,360
go ahead Keller.

591
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:14,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh, just so, we were at a moufon meeting

592
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:21,280
a couple it was like last spring, and they had

593
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,119
a witness there that was telling his event. He was

594
00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:28,800
a blood truck driver. So immediately when he said that,

595
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:34,599
I look at Star and we're like, oh, and he's

596
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:38,239
talking about he was traveling from Algona down one sixty

597
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:44,599
nine to picking up blood from the hospital, and twenty

598
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:49,119
minutes into his drive he is being pursued by orbs

599
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:53,559
that were falling from the sky and then by a

600
00:35:54,039 --> 00:36:01,360
garage sized squarish craft that was very luminous and at

601
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,000
points was even like hitting the back of his truck.

602
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,079
Speaker 1: Holy cow.

603
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 6: Yeah wow. And we asked the witness afterwards, its like,

604
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,119
have you heard the name John Keel?

605
00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:12,639
Speaker 2: No?

606
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 6: Uh, have you ever read the Mockman prophecies? Dude? Literally,

607
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,840
all I know is Skinwalker Ranch. After this has happened,

608
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:25,719
he was literally like a guide's guy, just trying to

609
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,079
look for answers. He doesn't know any of this. He's

610
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:35,400
not a part of this weirdo world. So it was

611
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:39,000
weird coming across that synchronicity.

612
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with did I interrupt somebody? Are you

613
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,840
familiar with that? I think it's the Rochelle monster. They

614
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,679
called it Roro. I'm not sure if it was Indiana

615
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,440
or Illinois back in the seventies. Well, this thing, actually,

616
00:36:53,559 --> 00:37:00,039
Zelia Edgar chronicles it in just another tinfoil hat presents it.

617
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:03,320
This thing. People started hearing poundings on the house, they

618
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,639
could could smell something, they felt the breath on their

619
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:10,760
necks sometimes, and eventually this thing started to become visible.

620
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,800
It was a classic bigfoot, but it was translucent. It

621
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,679
didn't always leave footprints. And then over time it seemed

622
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:20,639
to become more physical and even attacked livestock like chickens

623
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:24,480
and so forth, didn't eat them, but killed them. And

624
00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:27,280
then eventually it just sort of faded away, almost like

625
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,280
this thing was sort of manifest and becoming more and

626
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:35,079
more physical and then fading away. He'll always thought that

627
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:39,199
they these things, well you know, these uh, these transmogrifications,

628
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:44,840
they would become uh paraphysical and act like real animals,

629
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,159
you know, killing other livestock and so forth, and then

630
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:51,199
just sort of melt away, so that that puts another

631
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,280
wrench in it that but perhaps some of these things

632
00:37:53,320 --> 00:38:00,119
are phantasms that become uh uh uh a.

633
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,119
Speaker 6: Physical yeah, which I was also another detail of the

634
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:07,280
Austent case that it was like mutilating animals, which kind

635
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,159
of led me down the whole idea of like, what

636
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:13,679
is there's something to it because we often see that

637
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,920
in the strangeness cases where the phenomena doesn't play well

638
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:21,320
with our pets or live stile.

639
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,199
Speaker 1: Let me do our brief intermission here. You are listening

640
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:28,440
to The High Strangeress Factor copyrighted on the Paranormal UK

641
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:32,840
Radio Network. Today Andy, Susie, Brandy and I are talking

642
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,079
to Star and Collier about their adventures in the paranormal.

643
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,280
I want to do just a brief segue. Collier, you

644
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,440
have a very interesting hobby that parallels my interest and

645
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,239
you make monsters. We're going to get back to the

646
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,320
paranormal stuff. But yeah, like that like that stuff there,

647
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,000
very cool? All right, it's a good thing. Nobody could

648
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:57,519
This is just going to be audio. I don't I'm

649
00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:00,320
not even gonna describe what just happened, because.

650
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 6: That is the Rorschach test for your listeners. Whatever. You

651
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,840
can imagine that's on you.

652
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: When you you have a household of this stuff. Rights.

653
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 6: Oh yeah there. I like to make monster masks and

654
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,119
little statue monster statues and bus Like Steve said, I

655
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:25,760
actually come from the makeup effects world, uh movies and

656
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:34,760
short films. I work with the bands making their masks. Okay, yeah,

657
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,719
that's kind of so that actually adds a little bit

658
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,519
of an extra level of like the viewpoint I can

659
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:41,639
bring to this type of stuff because it's actually helped

660
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:48,440
me with like sometimes, yeah, debunking. Uh. Usually, I'm sure

661
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,559
a lot of people see, like when a photo comes out,

662
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:57,719
like the most recent one I can remember was a

663
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,960
alleged big book came out and within a couple of

664
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,320
seconds I was like, no, that's actually a makeup test

665
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,519
from the Walking with cave Man series, Remember that one?

666
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 4: Yeah?

667
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:20,039
Speaker 1: Uh, these days with CGI and AI, anytime somebody puts

668
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:24,480
up something, whether it be a video or still, I think,

669
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,960
why do you bother? You know this? Even if it's legitimate,

670
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:29,719
nobody's gonna believe it.

671
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 4: And I'd rather see a practical effects hoax over AI

672
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,880
or CGI or photoshop any day.

673
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, bring back creative hoaxing.

674
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:43,559
Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, like, all right, did you guys follow the

675
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:48,239
kin Panama space Potato alien saga at all?

676
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,559
Speaker 6: Oh? Is that the one of they had the dried

677
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:53,239
out mummy alien?

678
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:59,679
Speaker 4: No, he was. He's in Panama, I believe, and he

679
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,800
and stage this whole thing where this meteorite had crashed

680
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,039
and then this thing started growing out of it.

681
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,679
Speaker 6: Oh. Yeah, he showed me that. Actually it kind of

682
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:12,599
looks a little bit like the venoms be it.

683
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,519
Speaker 4: Yes, that's the one.

684
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, that's actually a practical thing, is it?

685
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 4: Yeah? He he came out and explained how he did

686
00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:27,079
it eventually. How did he do it? It was basically

687
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:31,280
like these like set He made like tentacles that were

688
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:37,199
like triangular or like pyramid shaped segments of plastic that

689
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,679
were on a string and attached them all and when

690
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:44,239
you were pulling manipulating the strings, they it would bend.

691
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,800
You could tell it was never moving organically. It was

692
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,039
always kind of like jerky. But then he would put

693
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:56,519
plastic and hot glue on it and then paint it.

694
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,559
Speaker 6: So I don't wonder if that was in the stand

695
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:03,840
Winston School. There was like a lot of classes in

696
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,960
that school that showed you how to basically make monsters

697
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,159
out of trash bags.

698
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 4: How have you personally experienced any Have you busted any

699
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,320
hoaxes debunkeds a lot in your area? Personally?

700
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 6: No. Unfortunately, we don't gotten a lot of creative hoaxers

701
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,800
out here question. To my chagrin. Like I said, the

702
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:37,000
only one I can think of was the alleged hoaxer

703
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:46,880
in relation to the Ottison case, because when I was

704
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:49,639
delving deep into that case, I did track down a

705
00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:53,320
Storm Lake Times article where their reporter talked to a

706
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,840
patron at a bar in West Bend, which is only

707
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,679
five minutes away from Ottison, who claimed to have known

708
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,519
the Oaks, who was a little farm boy from Iowa

709
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,639
back in the seventies who claimed to have donned a

710
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:11,880
guerrilla suit and went about scaring and terrorizing the whole town.

711
00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:15,280
And when he was telling the chain of events, like

712
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,800
I mentioned earlier, it just didn't line up with the

713
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,639
series because there was the initial flap where the creature

714
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:26,360
was seen by a couple of young girls, their mother

715
00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:31,239
and a family friend, and then a group of rambunctious boys.

716
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,559
Then after that got published across the state, a bunch

717
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:38,039
of people curiosity seekers and want to be monster hunters

718
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:44,440
started flocking to town, and now the sheriff's having to

719
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:50,440
try to get these all these people with guns to like, Okay,

720
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,440
simmer down. You can't be going with loaded rifles around

721
00:43:53,440 --> 00:44:00,000
this small town. And the hoaxer claimed that he stopped

722
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,000
when the guns came out, which doesn't line up because

723
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:07,400
after that, in going into September, you get the second

724
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:12,320
wave where it's seen going up to people's windows, looking

725
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:20,760
at the farmhouses, farm equipment, and a group of forty

726
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,400
kids were building their homecoming flow when they see two

727
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,800
of these creatures, one with glowing blue eyes and one

728
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:35,119
with glowing red eyes. So it's the hoaxer. If it

729
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:38,760
was a hoax, he either has faulty memory or is

730
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:39,679
just lying.

731
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,639
Speaker 5: And then, like we said before, in the midst of

732
00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:45,880
all these cases, there was also tons of animal mutilations

733
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,960
being found, so we're just like, oh, that goes beyond

734
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,199
a little fun fun of hooks on the town.

735
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,639
Speaker 6: That's kind of borderline serial killer stuff.

736
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're just like, this hoax angle really just

737
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,960
wouldn't make sense if any it was a hope.

738
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 6: Order, yeah, if all, And it also doesn't explain some

739
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,719
of the weirder aspects of what happened, like the fact

740
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,199
that they always described it as having either dazzling or

741
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:16,639
glowing eyes. Yeah, I'm not sure he had the means

742
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:21,880
to fake stuff like that on a costume, and.

743
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, from your cost your background, you could.

744
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, at the best he would have access to at

745
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:31,599
the time was a either off the shelf cost gorilla

746
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:34,679
costume he would have bought or rented, which in that

747
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,000
section of the state that would have required maybe the

748
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:43,239
closest would have been Fort Dodge, or he would have

749
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,280
to drive two hours to des Moline to a theatrical shop.

750
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 5: So I don't know if we've mentioned that the autist

751
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,440
in case it actually took place.

752
00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:53,559
Speaker 6: In the seventies, nineteen seventy eight, so this wasn't a

753
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:54,079
recent thing.

754
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, my ex wife ordered a Bigfoot costume from Amazon,

755
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,519
which I donned. And my nephew, who was heavy into

756
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:08,119
finding Bigfoot when he was little, his dad had set

757
00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:12,360
up a trap camera on his grandfather's property. So I

758
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,519
put I put the costume on, and we had no

759
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:17,960
idea if I was triggering the camera. So I'm walking

760
00:46:18,039 --> 00:46:20,480
back and forth and back and forth, and so they

761
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,320
took the pictures out later and I did register a

762
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,199
couple times, and it was very cool because Luke said,

763
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,719
Dad Bigfoot. He bought it for about five minutes and

764
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:31,679
then he had his doubts.

765
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 6: But I went into de bunking it.

766
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,039
Speaker 1: Well. Then on Halloween I donned the costume again and

767
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:42,480
his grandfather was pulling them out. He had a tractor

768
00:46:42,679 --> 00:46:44,880
and a little cart, so he's pulling all the kids

769
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,559
out around the farm there. So I show up behind

770
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:51,880
the trees and I actually started knocking with a stick first,

771
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,400
And anyway, that was that was fun. But then when

772
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,119
I was the shortest Bigfoot on the planet, I think

773
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,880
I'm trying to run from one one point to another

774
00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:06,039
to try and misdirect them, and I'm having to lift

775
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:10,000
the mask up so i can breathe. I mean, good lord. Anyway,

776
00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:12,599
it was very comical. It's too bad it wasn't recorded

777
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:13,039
on you.

778
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:15,119
Speaker 6: I can relate to that. I had this address of

779
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,639
Jason Voorhees for my work recently.

780
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: Oh, very good.

781
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 6: It's very brutal trying to breathe in rubber masks.

782
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: I know I needed a stunt man. I needed a

783
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,079
stunt double is what I needed.

784
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,519
Speaker 6: Well, I'll come out to the point plus that next

785
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:32,480
year and be a stunt man.

786
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,519
Speaker 1: Oh sounds good. So do you have you guys published

787
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:38,840
any of your stuff online or is there any way

788
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,800
people can follow you with your your research?

789
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 6: Well, we have Anomalists Midwest on across Instagram, Blue Sky,

790
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,679
and on TikTok now, and.

791
00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:51,159
Speaker 5: We also just started a YouTube channel.

792
00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 6: Yep where we posted our lecture from van Meter.

793
00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:58,519
Speaker 5: But we hopefully have more things that we're too yep.

794
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 6: And I'm working on a com book actually that is

795
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,519
depicting the dox in case that is on the way.

796
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:08,119
I just did a promo book. I actually gave one

797
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:13,280
to Steve the first six pages. I'm on page seven

798
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:19,920
eight now. Uh, just I'm enjoying like going down the

799
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,280
rabbit hole and exploring this in an alternate avenue. And

800
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,320
we're also discussing on like a book potentially in the future.

801
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,679
Speaker 1: Oh excellent. Now, are there any other research projects you've

802
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,119
got going on or anything you have your sites on

803
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:38,480
right now that you can tell you about. If it's

804
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:41,400
under double secret probation, you don't have to tell us,

805
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:42,599
but just instant case.

806
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 6: I mean, there's a couple of like locations we've been

807
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,639
out checking out bigfoot reports where we've gotten some pretty

808
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:54,119
interesting vocal activity. Yeah, yeah, we actually were.

809
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 5: Exactly. Yeah, but we can.

810
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:05,079
Speaker 6: We'll tell you about it outside the recording. Okay, all right,

811
00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:08,480
we don't we don't want like the classic case of

812
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:11,599
like a bunch of bigfoot monster hunters like blocking to

813
00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:13,280
an area and kind of ruining hair.

814
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 7: Okay, can you say the county without giving it away.

815
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:24,079
Speaker 6: It's adjacent to Madison County. Okay, I think it is

816
00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:28,840
an act actually, if I remember correctly. But yeah, we've

817
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,760
gotten vocal activity. It was like around seven o'clock. We

818
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,239
were out there all day just scoping the area out.

819
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,559
We had just gotten reports that the people were being

820
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:40,440
chased out by the creatures.

821
00:49:41,519 --> 00:49:41,639
Speaker 2: Din.

822
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:44,039
Speaker 6: Around seven, we just start hearing this who.

823
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 5: And it was very interesting because we have been out

824
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,920
there for eight hours already, so we're very attuned to

825
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,119
the noises that are in the woods at this point,

826
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,719
but this came out of nowhere. It was very loud

827
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,480
for us, and we're just like that.

828
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a lot. I wouldn't say less loud.

829
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,239
It was distinct, Yeah, distinct because it didn't have the

830
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:13,119
verboseness of say, an adult. Because the report we got

831
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,320
was they felt like it was a family unit that

832
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:21,159
had two adults and maybe one or two juveniles, And

833
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:28,199
this sounded like a smaller creature because I've heard potential

834
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,320
adult sasquatch vocals in southern Illinois, and I was hearing

835
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:38,360
that from miles away. This kind of sounded like a

836
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,039
given in a way because.

837
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 5: When we went over the vocals, of course, we tried

838
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,599
to match it up to Merlin the bird app that

839
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:47,599
will tell you eddy bird call that say. If we

840
00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:51,639
didn't recognize it, we went over animal species that it

841
00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:53,559
could be. Nothing came up. But we look into a

842
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:57,800
given and we're like, that is probably the closest thing. Yeah,

843
00:50:58,159 --> 00:50:59,039
that's to the sound.

844
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:02,199
Speaker 6: But I I wish we could have got like a

845
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,320
recording of it when we were like right up on it,

846
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,159
because we were like going all over the park by

847
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,559
trying to get close. We're pretty much right up on it.

848
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:13,719
It was on the other side of the limits of

849
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,320
the park, where we were any further we would have

850
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:17,280
been trespassing.

851
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:23,519
Speaker 5: The wooded area was like private.

852
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 6: Properly, yeah, and the creek was on the other side,

853
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:33,039
so whatever this was was like along the creek bed,

854
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:39,679
which makes sense. And we hear this most demonic piss

855
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:43,320
and our eyes get big. We look at each other

856
00:51:43,519 --> 00:51:46,800
and started like big cat and I'm like, bob cat.

857
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:50,599
Speaker 5: But it did. It sounded like a big cat ran

858
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:53,599
into something that scared the hell out of it. That's

859
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:55,440
what it sounded like to us. And that's when the

860
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,480
whoops stopped too.

861
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

862
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's when we were like, well, I got no

863
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:05,320
self defense. We're gonna just calmly book it out for

864
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:05,800
the cat.

865
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,519
Speaker 5: But it was a very very interesting location for sure.

866
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 6: Earned that it's just doing more work in the Humboldt area.

867
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 5: Because we have so much coming out of this area.

868
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:23,559
We have tons of reports that we're still going through

869
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,960
and digging up certain areas. It is an ongoing case.

870
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,119
It's a huge one.

871
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 6: It's like not just like even the direct phenomena, it's

872
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,280
like just the weird synchronicities with the area while looking

873
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,039
into it. Of course, we don't believe this is speeds

874
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:40,440
into the phenomena. It's just a detail that we're like,

875
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:42,880
that's that's kind of strange because in the beginning of

876
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,239
this we were like, oh, wouldn't it be cool to

877
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,480
have like a Mouffman level case, And then as we're

878
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,960
getting these weird UFO reports and then we're like looking

879
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,679
into the history. It's like, oh, there was like this

880
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,159
Native American massacre in the area where there was a

881
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,320
murder over by Spirit Lake and then they sassated the chief.

882
00:53:03,159 --> 00:53:06,039
Speaker 5: Right at the blood run over Highway one sixteen nine

883
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:09,679
where a lot of this is happening. But then we're

884
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,360
also going into like not only the historical features of

885
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,320
the area, but also the geological features of the area,

886
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,480
which are really unique as well, because there's a huge

887
00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:25,480
continental rift right over Iowa too, which makes gravitational anomalies.

888
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:29,480
Could this have some kind of bearing on what's happening here?

889
00:53:29,679 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 6: On top of that, in the area, there is a

890
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:38,440
crater from a meteorite impact from the Cretaceous era which

891
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:43,039
led to a very large deposit of solenite.

892
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 5: That's the one, right, Yeah, so there there's a whole

893
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:50,559
gravitational anomally just with that. And of course where is

894
00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:54,280
it right like on the edge of Humboldt County again,

895
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:58,119
so you have some really unique features going around there.

896
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,119
So it's like, not only are investigating cases and what

897
00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:04,280
will happen in the area historically like or maybe on

898
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,199
an energetic level, But then Also you have the stuff

899
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:10,599
that's happening on a geological level that could be causing

900
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:14,159
anomalies too, maybe causing these window areas to happen.

901
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:19,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe putting off like weird electromagnic magnetic frequencies exactly

902
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:24,320
that affect our brains and cause us to see these things. Yeh,

903
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:25,960
that's one.

904
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 7: It's so much cooler than anybody ever thought.

905
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 6: Absolutely, they're intentially trying to hide our state's awesome history. Yeah,

906
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:36,960
we're being silenced.

907
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,519
Speaker 5: It's a very unique area. You want to expect it

908
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:43,000
at first. But like I said, we like started off

909
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:45,800
with just this what we thought was a normal, little

910
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,800
bigfoot case. And the further we dug into this case,

911
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,039
like the deeper down the rabbit hole, we continue to

912
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:52,840
go and we're like.

913
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, then we're getting into the works of

914
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,280
Brad Steiger, who I almost equate as like Iowa's John

915
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,039
Keel in a way. When he was a young boy

916
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,639
in Bode, Iowa, which is only five minutes from where

917
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:12,599
Ottison is, he had a childhood sighting of a diminutive

918
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:17,000
extraterrestrial creature that had pointed ears a yellowish glow to

919
00:55:17,159 --> 00:55:20,039
him and big eyes and I was looking at the

920
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:23,480
picture of it and I'm like, that is almost identical

921
00:55:24,039 --> 00:55:28,039
to the Hopkinsville Goblins. Wow, but I think this is

922
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:31,239
like when did the Goblins event happen? Was it in

923
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,599
the fifties or six? Yeah, this would have happened like

924
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,360
ten years prior to that.

925
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,079
Speaker 1: Okay, I remember him talking about it on I think

926
00:55:41,519 --> 00:55:44,320
was it one that was standing on the windowsill outside

927
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:44,800
looking through?

928
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:49,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, he said it was out on the windowsill outside.

929
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:54,239
It was like dragging this tub because they didn't have

930
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,320
running water, so every time they needed to take a bath,

931
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,760
they had to use the well water. It was dragging

932
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,119
that so he could like get up and peek in

933
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:03,760
at his parents.

934
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: And they lock eyes or something like that.

935
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, he said that. He always described it as the

936
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:13,679
watcher felt like it was being watched, and it turned

937
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,679
and looked at him and its pupils got wide and

938
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,800
almost hypnotized him into a trance.

939
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:20,119
Speaker 1: Wow.

940
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 6: Wow.

941
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a very credible guy that has a

942
00:56:24,519 --> 00:56:25,519
great body of work.

943
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 6: That was another weird synchronousity that came up too, because

944
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:34,280
I was going into Steiger's book on UFO abduction book

945
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:38,639
and he was describing thinking that one or the seed

946
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,519
one that there was an aerial battle that took place

947
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:49,039
along the Mississippi River with UFOs, and we were at

948
00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:51,880
another move On meeting and they were describing one that

949
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:57,679
happened just this year that was almost identical, and I

950
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,239
was like, what is going on here?

951
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:01,119
Speaker 2: Yeah?

952
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:04,119
Speaker 6: Wow, And of course nobody in that room knew who

953
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:08,239
Steiger was right when I mentioned, like, this is straight

954
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:09,480
out of Steiger's book.

955
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll give you another wild connection. Jenny Randalls great

956
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:21,360
British researcher. She wrote a book with Paul Whittnall called

957
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,880
Alien Contact. There's a few books that have Alien Contact

958
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,000
in the title, So this is when she co wrote

959
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:31,440
with Paul Whittneall, and it was the Sunderland family and

960
00:57:31,519 --> 00:57:35,800
a whole series of bizarre encounters in the late seventies

961
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:41,880
early eighties I think in Wales, and they finally focused

962
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,519
on the younger boy who had kind of overlooked for

963
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:48,000
a while, and they I think they put him under

964
00:57:48,039 --> 00:57:51,679
hypnosis and he drew the creatures he saw and they

965
00:57:51,719 --> 00:57:55,679
looked like the Kelly Hopkinsville Goblins. Jenny Randalls just about

966
00:57:55,719 --> 00:57:58,519
fell over. I mean, it's just it's just amazing, these

967
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,239
these parallels that show up all over the place.

968
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's like one even weird detail I found when

969
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:13,559
I was looking because playing with different tools for investigation,

970
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,360
I was just testing the waters with the whole secret

971
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:18,280
cipher tool.

972
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:23,519
Speaker 1: Oh right, explain that that's Alan Greenfield.

973
00:58:24,159 --> 00:58:24,679
Speaker 2: Uh yeah.

974
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,719
Speaker 6: The story behind that is it's based out of Alistair

975
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:33,920
Crowley's book The Law, where the entities claim that there's

976
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,280
a secret cipher in here. Don't even bother Crowley, You're

977
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,079
not going to be the one that cracks this. And

978
00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:43,599
fifty years later, some occultists cracked the cipher and Alan

979
00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:48,039
Greenfield publishes it in The Secret Cipher of the Euphonauts. Well,

980
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:51,280
I was playing around with it when I was delving

981
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:57,320
into Steiger's account, because he said the reason he found

982
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,360
a depiction that looked exactly like the creature he saw

983
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,199
he was at a art gallery in Arizona where a

984
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,360
painter had painted that exact creature, And when asking about it,

985
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,280
he's like, I thought you would ask that because the

986
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,079
woman who saw this entity comes from West Bend.

987
00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:18,559
Speaker 5: Which is just five minutes I love, and so.

988
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:22,159
Speaker 6: When he was talking to her, she had extended contact

989
00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:26,480
with these creatures who claimed to come from Galenia, and

990
00:59:26,639 --> 00:59:29,360
I was looking into the wider ufology world seeing if

991
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,800
Galenia had come up, because like this sometimes happens where

992
00:59:33,159 --> 00:59:36,400
people multiple people will say they come in contact with

993
00:59:36,519 --> 00:59:43,159
Venusians or Martians, Blandulos, Galenia kind of seemed at first

994
00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:46,639
like the odd man out where nobody else ever mentioned it.

995
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:50,719
It was literally just that one. So I entered Galenia

996
00:59:50,719 --> 00:59:53,599
and the cipher equaled out to seventy seven, and I

997
00:59:53,679 --> 00:59:58,679
would eventually enter Goblin into the cipher also equaled seventy seven.

998
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:04,280
I just found that interesting detail that another goblin like creature.

999
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: Well, here's a funny coincidence. Alan Greenfield was just disa

1000
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:15,719
bit of a Facebook today. He counts just disappeared. I'm

1001
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,239
gonna have talk to guy quite a few times. I'm

1002
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:18,400
the favorite about crowded Something.

1003
01:00:18,599 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: Actually is one of the most knowledgeable people in this

1004
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:24,760
realm with the Cipher and Crawley and.

1005
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 2: A little bit about it. Yes, I mean, but yeah,

1006
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:29,559
it's it's very odd that you should mentioned today and

1007
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:32,119
he's just finished. I've been talking for on Facebook.

1008
01:00:32,119 --> 01:00:34,679
Speaker 6: They know about that. Did they get did the men

1009
01:00:34,719 --> 01:00:35,719
in Black get them?

1010
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 2: You do wonder? I mean, we're doing the whole story now.

1011
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,840
But there are two versions of the actual cipher. One

1012
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,519
that's Alan uses. There's another one that will call Kath

1013
01:00:46,599 --> 01:00:48,880
Thompson came up with in the u K. And they're

1014
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,480
slightly different. So who knows which is the real one is?

1015
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,679
Speaker 6: But well, the one we've been using is the online

1016
01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:02,840
version that any duke query, which maybe Mileage Mayberry were

1017
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,559
open to like changing up, trying out new things.

1018
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 2: Well that's try Kath Thompson the English gibal as a thing,

1019
01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:15,400
but just come of a slightly different version of it.

1020
01:01:15,519 --> 01:01:18,719
Speaker 6: So okay, I might have to contact you after this

1021
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:24,039
and from in the direction of that one. What's the

1022
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:25,519
difference between that one?

1023
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 2: To honest you, I don't know. I haven't really looked

1024
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,239
into that much, but I do know that's it. There's

1025
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,079
more than one version that floating around.

1026
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:38,159
Speaker 1: Okay, I messed with the cipher for a long time

1027
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:40,880
and I never came up with anything, So there you go.

1028
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,199
But that doesn't mean much. It's but it's uh, Alan

1029
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:49,440
Greenfield would come up with these but by using the cipher, uh,

1030
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,199
you know, full sentences and uh he thought that was

1031
01:01:53,239 --> 01:01:57,000
able to predict certain UFO incidents or sightings.

1032
01:01:57,079 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 2: Or whatever.

1033
01:01:57,639 --> 01:02:01,119
Speaker 1: It's an interesting idea, but don't use me as your

1034
01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:03,840
guide because I failed miserably.

1035
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,719
Speaker 6: I mean, I've played around with it a bit and

1036
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,880
I've gotten interesting results with it. I'll be happy to

1037
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,320
tell you off the air with that, Okay, I'm still

1038
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:17,760
playing around it and trying to figure out what what

1039
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:23,480
is happening. So we're still experimenting and still trying to

1040
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:26,320
come to our own conclusion. So I don't want to

1041
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:27,239
publicly say it.

1042
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 7: But you're not drawing.

1043
01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: Sorry, go ahead, go ahead, Brandy.

1044
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:40,679
Speaker 7: You're not drawing in any like negative energies or are

1045
01:02:40,679 --> 01:02:44,119
you worried about that if you're using that cipher like

1046
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:48,760
bringing that I guess entities to you?

1047
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:55,639
Speaker 6: Okay, what I'll say is I don't feel a negativity

1048
01:02:56,159 --> 01:03:03,920
as far as like whatever entities that are hypothetically possibly

1049
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:11,320
being contacted. Whatever. It is very humorous, very tongue in cheek.

1050
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:19,559
It seems okay because we basically use it in conjunction

1051
01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:23,880
with a modified version of the Gansfield experiment.

1052
01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 4: Those are my favorite type of entities. That's why I

1053
01:03:29,519 --> 01:03:32,519
like puck Wedgies a little bit.

1054
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 6: Mischievous, very trickstery.

1055
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 4: Trickstery, because how boring would the world be without a

1056
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:45,239
little bit of mischief. I think in the paranormal we

1057
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:49,119
look at things very black and white, but everything in

1058
01:03:49,159 --> 01:03:52,000
the world there's a lot of gray. So I think

1059
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:56,440
we can't automatically say, oh, this is bad, this is negative,

1060
01:03:56,679 --> 01:03:58,039
because most things are neutral.

1061
01:03:58,719 --> 01:04:03,199
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I think that whatever the mechanism behind the

1062
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:09,639
high strangeness phenomena is a lot of it seems very

1063
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,880
playful in a way, like this is just its way

1064
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:18,559
of entertaining itself, which sometimes can be very silly and

1065
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:21,239
sometimes can have a bit of a dark humor to it.

1066
01:04:21,719 --> 01:04:24,159
Speaker 4: Oh, if I was an ultra terrestrial, I would just

1067
01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:26,320
be pranking people all day with the.

1068
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:30,239
Speaker 1: Stuff you could do. I would never I would never

1069
01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:31,800
give Susie that kind of power.

1070
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 6: It just wouldn't work well at that point. She'd be

1071
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:44,280
like Palpatine from episode three, being like, I.

1072
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,039
Speaker 1: Got an off the wall question for you. As you know,

1073
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:52,679
men in black show up in UFO cases, bigfootcases, and

1074
01:04:52,679 --> 01:04:56,239
and just have has there any have you guys run

1075
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:00,679
into anything like that that would fall into general man

1076
01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:03,760
in black category in your research.

1077
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:11,559
Speaker 6: So far, not the direct iteration of men in black,

1078
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:18,679
The most adjacent would probably be like dream entities that

1079
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:22,440
kind of fall more in line with hat Man. There

1080
01:05:22,519 --> 01:05:25,920
was one spooky moment where we were in the car

1081
01:05:26,159 --> 01:05:29,119
chatting and I was like, literally, the only thing that

1082
01:05:29,159 --> 01:05:32,840
we haven't come into is men in black And as

1083
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,719
I say finished saying that, in our playlist, the X

1084
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,360
Files music comes up, just.

1085
01:05:40,239 --> 01:05:41,679
Speaker 5: Like, Okay, that's kind of spooky.

1086
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,639
Speaker 6: We do have kind of almost like great Barker moments

1087
01:05:47,679 --> 01:05:50,880
where we're talking about it's always seems to happen when

1088
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,440
we talk about paranormal stuff on the phone. Our phone

1089
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,679
cuts out and the call hangs up, And of course

1090
01:05:57,719 --> 01:06:00,199
the first thing I'll have to say when I call back, like, well,

1091
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,320
the alphabet soup guys are onto us.

1092
01:06:04,159 --> 01:06:08,199
Speaker 1: Uh, you guys know John Tinney, right, yes, of course, yes, okay,

1093
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:14,719
zines right. Well, he uh, great speaker, uh he and I.

1094
01:06:14,119 --> 01:06:18,119
I drove him to the Butler Paranormal event a few

1095
01:06:18,199 --> 01:06:20,440
years back when I was still in Michigan. It was

1096
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:25,000
about four hours. It was a NonStop conversation. This guy's

1097
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:29,559
the most interesting guy you'll ever meet. But uh, he

1098
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,400
told me about a dream he had one night. He's

1099
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,559
he's you know, he's in his house, and you know

1100
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:37,719
how dreams are a little bit distorted. Gray Barker is

1101
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:42,360
sitting in a rocking chair on his roof and he's

1102
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:47,119
rocking back and forth and he says, hey, Grays, they're

1103
01:06:47,159 --> 01:06:49,840
named after me, and then the dream ends.

1104
01:06:50,159 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 2: You know.

1105
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember him talking about that on their podcast

1106
01:06:53,239 --> 01:06:53,840
where he's like, I.

1107
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: Won, I won, you know, and I never I never

1108
01:06:59,079 --> 01:07:02,880
even thought about that, you know, Grey Barker and Gray Aliens.

1109
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,039
Not that there's any connection, but man, some people have

1110
01:07:06,159 --> 01:07:07,199
really cool dreams.

1111
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,519
Speaker 6: I don't really she has the best dreams.

1112
01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: Oh really, I don't.

1113
01:07:11,719 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 5: Call them dreams. We mostly because it's more in the

1114
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:20,360
twilight before you actually fall into sleep is when the

1115
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,159
weirdest stuff happens.

1116
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:30,719
Speaker 6: But yeah, there was like one interesting time where she

1117
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,719
just came out of she was in that twilight stage

1118
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,800
and she heard jingling of bells, like.

1119
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 5: Walking out of the door, walking away from the door,

1120
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:43,480
Like it was so distinct that it woke me up.

1121
01:07:43,719 --> 01:07:46,079
Speaker 6: But it was a very particular type of belt.

1122
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like a like it was on it

1123
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,840
was moving, bells moving, and I'm like, I've heard that before,

1124
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:54,760
I've heard this, and it was so much so that

1125
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,559
throughout the day I was just like it was bugging me,

1126
01:07:57,599 --> 01:07:58,840
and I'm like, I have to figure out what the

1127
01:07:58,920 --> 01:07:59,360
sound is.

1128
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 6: I can't remember who was which one of us actually

1129
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,599
came to it first, but I think I remember. I

1130
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:05,559
just remember the point where I pulled up a YouTube

1131
01:08:05,639 --> 01:08:09,719
video of a Native American ceremonial dancer in a chime

1132
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,159
dress or jingle dress.

1133
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 5: Jingle dress, and like I recognized it instantly because like

1134
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,720
I lived up north in a Native American community, so

1135
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,079
I was just like, absolutely, it was a jingle dress,

1136
01:08:20,079 --> 01:08:21,439
That's exactly what it was.

1137
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:27,239
Speaker 6: And then two days later, my mom reaches out to me,

1138
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:29,640
being like, you need to talk to Lou because he

1139
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,680
has a lot of interesting bigfoot in little people stories

1140
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,079
to tell you guys. So it was like a weird,

1141
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:37,279
almost prematory.

1142
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 5: Moment, yes, because he works on a Native American reservation,

1143
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:46,760
so there was like almost a mention type of contact

1144
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,159
from that weird instance.

1145
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, And we actually did end up talking to him

1146
01:08:52,199 --> 01:08:53,680
about a lot of it, and it was kind of

1147
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,119
funny because he said, don't talk about the little people

1148
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:58,920
because that'll invite you and or invite them into your

1149
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,439
house and they'll take your things. Literally the day after

1150
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,680
we're talking about them, I lose my TV remote for

1151
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:05,119
a week.

1152
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 4: I blamed Wendy's for everything I lose.

1153
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 2: Around the house.

1154
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 6: I was like, I must have been the pug with jeez.

1155
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:18,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, as Susie, you've done investigations into little people.

1156
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 4: You could say that. I suppose, yeah, a little bit.

1157
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:30,479
I haven't come across any in Iowa, definitely Wisconsin. Gotten

1158
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:38,399
a few from Wisconsin. And I don't know if talking

1159
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:41,079
about him invites him in They they seem to just

1160
01:09:41,119 --> 01:09:43,880
do what they want regardless, So I say, go ahead

1161
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:44,720
and talk about them.

1162
01:09:45,119 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 6: It's gonna say this was mostly in relation to the tribe.

1163
01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:58,039
What tribe is that he works with? Oh, they currently

1164
01:09:58,079 --> 01:10:02,920
reside in the Dakotas. Oh, but they used to live

1165
01:10:03,279 --> 01:10:07,079
in the Iowa section until they were unfortunately pushed out.

1166
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:13,279
Speaker 1: Susie, what did the punk wedges? You talked about the

1167
01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:16,800
one in ones in the Bridgewater Triangle area, but then

1168
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,239
was it was it Illinois where the other ones were

1169
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:22,720
manifested differently?

1170
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 4: Or oh the ones with the bowl cuts?

1171
01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:26,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, the bowl haircuts.

1172
01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:28,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, Indiana, remember you guys talking to this in the

1173
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:29,600
past episode.

1174
01:10:30,039 --> 01:10:36,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, Indiana. Here they they just they kind of sometimes

1175
01:10:36,319 --> 01:10:40,199
they're described as looking like a little bigfoot type thing,

1176
01:10:40,199 --> 01:10:44,439
but with the pot belly. But in Indiana they're they're

1177
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:48,159
more like tiny people, but there's they have pointy ears,

1178
01:10:48,199 --> 01:10:51,039
and they're said to have like a blonde bowl cut,

1179
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just like very nineteen nineties bowl cut.

1180
01:10:56,319 --> 01:11:02,079
Speaker 6: With just speculate that somebody what campaign left their Beatles

1181
01:11:02,119 --> 01:11:04,239
soundtrack on Walkman.

1182
01:11:10,359 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, this is this has been a lot of

1183
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,399
fun talking to you guys. It was you know, uh,

1184
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:19,399
we we had long conversations in person actually, and a

1185
01:11:19,399 --> 01:11:22,439
couple of meter visitor festivals. I expect to see you

1186
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:26,399
guys back there again. Uh, ladies and gentlemen. If you

1187
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:32,760
have any other questions for these guys, please feel free.

1188
01:11:33,239 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 7: I do have a couple of questions they did with

1189
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:45,960
the proximity to the Native American sites, I guess they're

1190
01:11:46,039 --> 01:11:51,920
in Iowa near these events. Have you come across any

1191
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:57,880
dog Man reports or phantom big cat reports?

1192
01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 6: Well, maybe that was a phantom big cat that was

1193
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:06,399
kissing at us, But as far as phantom cats and dogmen,

1194
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:09,920
the only one I could trace was from the werewolf

1195
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:14,640
of terror Bridge. But we haven't gotten a whole lot

1196
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:20,119
for dog Man personally yet. We did just recently into

1197
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:23,319
a lot of like the mounds across Iowa.

1198
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: Well you did, well, do you have you find any

1199
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:33,239
correlation with cryptid reports or or pre noormal experiences in

1200
01:12:33,319 --> 01:12:34,039
mounds so far?

1201
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 6: Well, that was your lead that you dived headfirst into.

1202
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:44,359
Speaker 5: If there's anything yet, because this is still just something

1203
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:48,840
I'm currently working on, but it is very interesting that

1204
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,319
in our area of research. There is a very large

1205
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,920
cluster of them in this area as well, so it's

1206
01:12:57,119 --> 01:13:00,359
very like significant spiritual location, a lot of energy coming

1207
01:13:00,359 --> 01:13:03,800
out of them. And it seems like in other areas

1208
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,720
of my strangeness, like I've heard a case in Ohio

1209
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,960
where a lot of craziness was happening also was surrounded

1210
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:15,039
by a meteor crater and mounds, and you're just like, oh,

1211
01:13:15,079 --> 01:13:17,520
this is really interesting. I don't know if it's anything yet,

1212
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,479
but it's just a road I am researching now.

1213
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:24,359
Speaker 4: Well, I will say, we don't have mounds here, but

1214
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:28,000
we have stonework because the glaciers were nice enough to

1215
01:13:28,119 --> 01:13:32,399
leave us all these stones. And I have personally noticed

1216
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:36,399
a correlation between the stone work and paranormal events as well.

1217
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 6: It's definitely that way in Little Egypt area southern Illinois too,

1218
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:46,079
because there's a lot of like rocky bluffs in spires

1219
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:51,199
left behind where a lot of like this weird high

1220
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:55,600
strangeness happens. Like we literally visited a archaeological site where

1221
01:13:55,640 --> 01:14:03,279
they had carvings left behind of thunderbirds some of those. Yeah, yep.

1222
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:07,079
There was also another site that we kind of have

1223
01:14:07,319 --> 01:14:10,319
been on our radar list and it kind of came

1224
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:14,239
back in a way recently because there's a cave system

1225
01:14:14,319 --> 01:14:18,840
over by the dab important Dubuque area, and one of

1226
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:22,600
our friends actually sent us a new case from Phantoms

1227
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:28,680
and Monsters of I sent Steve this where they saw

1228
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:34,119
a gargoyle like creature with glowing eyes and a monkey

1229
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:37,880
face and reading into it. It was very interesting the

1230
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,680
way it was described again with that weird cloaking look

1231
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,079
in the beginning, as it kind of manifested.

1232
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that shimmer or the quicksilver curtain, people like to

1233
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,439
call it different things. There's a really fastending book called

1234
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:01,640
Valley of the Skukum my Sally Shepherd at Wolford. She's

1235
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:05,920
the mother of Autumn Williams, famous bigfoot researcher, and she

1236
01:15:06,199 --> 01:15:09,079
was she wrote the book because when Autumn was between

1237
01:15:09,119 --> 01:15:12,319
three and six years old. This was an ordering Washington.

1238
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:17,960
They had bigfoot encounters. They they heard them moving around

1239
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:23,119
in their trash. They heard this sort of quick sort

1240
01:15:23,159 --> 01:15:27,319
of for lack of a better term, Chinese rapid fire

1241
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:32,000
Chinese language, which sounds very similar to what Ron Moorehead

1242
01:15:32,079 --> 01:15:35,279
recorded at the same time in the right, in the

1243
01:15:35,359 --> 01:15:40,760
in the uh in the Sierra Nevadas, and they had

1244
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:47,359
classic UFO sidings there, orange orbs, even men in black encounters.

1245
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,920
But what made me think about it is theyre in

1246
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:53,399
the nineteen fifties. There was a meteor that that hit

1247
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,520
somewhere around there, and they would they tried to trace

1248
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,319
that down, and they found the local newspaper, and they

1249
01:15:59,319 --> 01:16:03,119
went into the art chives, which were all kind of disorganized,

1250
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:06,520
and they found the dates that would have covered the

1251
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:12,680
meteor crashing were gone. The whole area was just another

1252
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:16,800
one of these three ring circuses of the paranormal Fascinating

1253
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,600
book that I highly recommend.

1254
01:16:19,039 --> 01:16:22,279
Speaker 6: Well that it's very interesting that you mentioned that goes

1255
01:16:23,079 --> 01:16:25,000
When we were delving into a lot of the UFO

1256
01:16:25,119 --> 01:16:28,279
cases that were happening around Humboldt. There was one that

1257
01:16:28,359 --> 01:16:32,279
you mentioned that apparently got press but it got pulled

1258
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:36,960
when we tried to track down the actual newspaper article, right,

1259
01:16:37,039 --> 01:16:38,520
there was one that actually disappeared.

1260
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:44,279
Speaker 1: It's just really bizarre. You know, you always want to

1261
01:16:44,319 --> 01:16:48,880
be careful about latching onto conspiracy theories, but good lord,

1262
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:52,760
if sometimes you follow the evidence and it just leads

1263
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:53,439
you down that road.

1264
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 5: No, it's really interesting because I remember trying to dig

1265
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,079
up this one report I heard of, and I must

1266
01:16:59,079 --> 01:17:01,439
have been back in the fifty and I literally went

1267
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,560
through old newspaper after newspaper, and it was kind of funny.

1268
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,880
The day the woman said she reported it to the

1269
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:11,520
newspaper that day was missing. I literally went from the

1270
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,279
day before to the day after that newspaper from the

1271
01:17:14,279 --> 01:17:17,039
fifties was gone.

1272
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, which, who knows, Maybe that was just a case

1273
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:24,319
of small towns not doing a great job at archiving.

1274
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's an interesting question.

1275
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 6: That all also happens, but it's kind of weird. Of

1276
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,000
all the days to go missing, that's the one that

1277
01:17:32,039 --> 01:17:32,760
goes missing.

1278
01:17:33,239 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: Well in this particular instance, see, the newspapers were not

1279
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:40,359
archived properly, so she and a Native American friend of hers,

1280
01:17:41,399 --> 01:17:45,640
they spent hours and hours getting them in order and

1281
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:51,079
archiving them, and that that particular day the information on

1282
01:17:51,119 --> 01:17:53,680
this meteor was was gone.

1283
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 5: That's so interesting.

1284
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:05,279
Speaker 6: Well, I remember having a weird like instance related to

1285
01:18:05,399 --> 01:18:09,800
like newspapers that are just like kind of gone. I

1286
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,439
had a childhood instance where I was in the living

1287
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:16,239
room and I was literally watching this entity almost manifested

1288
01:18:16,279 --> 01:18:20,399
in front of me that looks like you're it's just

1289
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:22,279
shadowy body, but on top of it was like a

1290
01:18:22,319 --> 01:18:27,039
typical big foot head. Just threw that away, and I

1291
01:18:27,079 --> 01:18:31,760
was like, didn't talk about that for like decades until

1292
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,039
I read David Weatherley's book where there was like a

1293
01:18:34,039 --> 01:18:37,239
flap of wild man sightings in the county I lived in.

1294
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:41,039
But the problem there was it was one hundred years prior.

1295
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 1: Huh, So have you always had these kinds of experiences?

1296
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,000
Are Are you one of those people that seem to

1297
01:18:49,039 --> 01:18:51,199
be tuned in to appear in essay?

1298
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,039
Speaker 6: Probably not tuned in until recently. But that was like

1299
01:18:56,119 --> 01:19:01,960
a childhood experiences where I experienced that. And then there

1300
01:19:02,039 --> 01:19:05,039
was this common experience I would have where I'd be

1301
01:19:05,079 --> 01:19:08,319
playing with a certain toy. I would turn away for

1302
01:19:08,359 --> 01:19:10,680
a second, turned back, boy would be gone. I'd look

1303
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:12,720
around and it would be sitting there floating in the

1304
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:16,079
air until I made eye contact with it and then

1305
01:19:16,079 --> 01:19:16,720
they would drop.

1306
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 1: You know, my only paranormal experiences when I that my

1307
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,960
dad finally finished off the attic that became my room.

1308
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,960
So of course, you know, I was afraid of monsters,

1309
01:19:30,119 --> 01:19:32,279
and everybody knows that if you hide under the covers,

1310
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:35,119
the monsters can't get you, but you do leave kind

1311
01:19:35,119 --> 01:19:37,359
of an air hole so you can breathe. But I

1312
01:19:37,359 --> 01:19:40,479
would hear like with some of like somebody walking across

1313
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,039
the floor. Of course, it turned out it was just

1314
01:19:43,079 --> 01:19:46,880
the heat dut you know, contracting and expanding. So I

1315
01:19:47,279 --> 01:19:52,079
just never had any paranormal experiences and no monsters even

1316
01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:52,760
tried to get me.

1317
01:19:53,119 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1318
01:19:53,920 --> 01:20:01,520
Speaker 6: Well, recently we adopted a ghost cat. Oh really, no,

1319
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,319
we just leave catnip offerings out for it. It's a

1320
01:20:05,359 --> 01:20:09,119
little tricky now that we have a corporeal cat, so

1321
01:20:09,159 --> 01:20:11,279
we've got to be careful where we leave the catnip

1322
01:20:11,359 --> 01:20:14,039
offerings to our ghost cat. But we moved into this

1323
01:20:14,079 --> 01:20:19,880
current apartment and we noticed like two particular doors always

1324
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:24,760
creaked open. Okay, that's just the foundation settling. Weird, it's weird.

1325
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,840
It happens only the cabinet door and the bathroom door.

1326
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:30,319
Speaker 1: So what's the name of your cat.

1327
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:33,039
Speaker 6: The corporeal one or the ghost one?

1328
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: Oh well, we need to hear both either.

1329
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 6: Well. Our flesh and blood cat, his name is Leo.

1330
01:20:40,319 --> 01:20:44,239
He's a little terror. He's a typical orange cat and

1331
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:48,439
ghost cat. We've come to nickname Princess because she's a

1332
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:53,920
little prima donna. Ye, the evening we actually came to

1333
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:57,119
the conclusion we had a ghost cat. Was actually the

1334
01:20:57,199 --> 01:21:00,800
day of our wedding. I was coming in from loading

1335
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:04,039
up the car. She was in our room getting ready,

1336
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:06,680
and our buddy that was going to officiate the wedding

1337
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,560
was sitting on the couch. I come into a pretty hefty,

1338
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,079
sturdy King Kong figure I have playing on the ground

1339
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:15,800
and I just look at it, look at my buddy's

1340
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:20,359
like it literally just slid off. We go about our day,

1341
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:22,680
we do, go have the wedding, and then we come

1342
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:28,760
back stars like spritsing. The reptiles puts the the spray

1343
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,560
bottle on my tool box and we literally watch it

1344
01:21:33,319 --> 01:21:38,640
as it like slides off, it hits the floor. Following day,

1345
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,359
we go take everybody to the airport, collapse in the bed.

1346
01:21:41,399 --> 01:21:44,159
After our busy weekend, and we swear to God, we

1347
01:21:44,399 --> 01:21:48,279
feel an impression hit on us on top of the

1348
01:21:48,279 --> 01:21:50,680
bed and on my side, I feel like I can

1349
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:58,079
feel the biscuits being made. It's a cat. It's a

1350
01:21:58,119 --> 01:21:59,880
ghost cat. We have a ghost.

1351
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 5: Cat, like knocking stuff off our counters, like cuddling up

1352
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:09,520
to us. Yeah, as we spent more time with her, like,

1353
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:13,960
it came very evident and we're just accepting. It's very sweet. Yeah,

1354
01:22:14,039 --> 01:22:17,279
it made sense because our apartment building has only ever

1355
01:22:17,359 --> 01:22:23,880
allowed cats in it, so just the.

1356
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:27,560
Speaker 4: Cats of reptiles in our case, this has somehow become relevant.

1357
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:31,359
I don't know how, but my cat's name is Alistair Pauley.

1358
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:35,319
Speaker 5: To share. I love it.

1359
01:22:36,199 --> 01:22:38,520
Speaker 6: I wish I was able to give a clever name

1360
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,119
to our cat, but.

1361
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 4: I don't suggest that because I think names have power,

1362
01:22:45,119 --> 01:22:49,479
and he is kind of a weirdo pervert. Now, so

1363
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:52,680
maybe the traditional cat names.

1364
01:22:54,279 --> 01:23:01,279
Speaker 6: Now, your cat is the most evilest cat alive. Your

1365
01:23:01,279 --> 01:23:03,199
cat is the reincarnation of Crowley.

1366
01:23:04,119 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 1: Maybe he can produce another cipher.

1367
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 6: Maybeah, only cats will be able to know it though.

1368
01:23:10,079 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 4: That's right, that's probably what he's been doing under the bed.

1369
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:18,319
Speaker 6: Oh God, communing with what was what was the beings

1370
01:23:18,319 --> 01:23:20,319
that Crowley was communing.

1371
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: With Lamb lamb lamb.

1372
01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 6: Huh was the luminous one. There was another one.

1373
01:23:29,079 --> 01:23:32,119
Speaker 5: I know there's at least three, but the names are

1374
01:23:32,119 --> 01:23:34,720
not coming career I was.

1375
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 6: Iwas with the one. There you go with an a.

1376
01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, just to appropriate A black cat has just shown

1377
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:45,119
up here.

1378
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 6: We manifested it. It was like, oh, you're talking about cats.

1379
01:23:51,279 --> 01:23:53,600
Art is currently sleeping on my on my chair.

1380
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 1: Well, I think I think if anybody has any uh

1381
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,159
more questions, I think kind of close close it up now.

1382
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,760
Although we've got to have you guys back. This has

1383
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,399
been a hell of a lot of fun and very

1384
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:11,840
interesting and I know you guys are in the middle

1385
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:15,399
of all kinds of great research and so forth. Again,

1386
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:18,760
tell people where they can content, they can read you

1387
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:19,640
about your research.

1388
01:24:20,399 --> 01:24:23,159
Speaker 6: Well, you can follow us on Instagram. That's kind of

1389
01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:28,239
where we post the most to at Anomalists Midwest. You

1390
01:24:28,279 --> 01:24:31,800
can also find us at blue Sky on at Anomalous

1391
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:35,439
Midwest and same with TikTok. We're trying to do more

1392
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:40,479
video content with TikTok and also on YouTube. You can

1393
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:44,960
find our Sasquatch of the Corn lecture on YouTube.

1394
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 1: Right, but not on Facebook.

1395
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:52,520
Speaker 6: No, we don't currently, it's just our profiles on Facebook

1396
01:24:53,119 --> 01:24:55,479
individually on our group.

1397
01:24:55,319 --> 01:25:03,239
Speaker 1: Is Ladies and any parting questions as we fade out,

1398
01:25:04,199 --> 01:25:04,640
I will.

1399
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:07,079
Speaker 2: Look into that other cipher if I can find It's

1400
01:25:07,079 --> 01:25:10,119
at a bit of research into that a few years

1401
01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:12,920
back when the Hellia thing came up, so thought, I've

1402
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:16,119
read other versions elsewhere, so I'll look into and get

1403
01:25:16,119 --> 01:25:17,920
back to you on that because I can't the amount

1404
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,399
I can't find information quite a bit, of course. Yeah,

1405
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:21,760
I will look into that well.

1406
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:25,399
Speaker 1: I want to thank everybody for being here. If if

1407
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:29,600
nobody has any other pearls of wisdom to umpart, I

1408
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:31,960
will do the close out. The High Strangers Factor was

1409
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,199
created by Steve Ward and Andy Mercer and is copywrited

1410
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on the Paranorble UK Radio Network. I want to thank

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our fearless leaders Irene Alan black Mark Johnson, Andy Mercer

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here at the network. Also Andy as show producer, poser

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of the closing theme with the High Strangers Factor, Brian

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Zeller for the opening theme, Susie Bastile for providing the

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stream yard connection, and Steve Ward for limiting comments on

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John Keel. I can also be heard weekly on Macloney's

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Military x files as a correspondent, whatever the hell a

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correspondent is, on the same network and many other platforms. Andy, Susie,

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Brandy and I and me living on the same road

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that the scarberrys and mallets are chased by the mouth man.

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Got to get that in there, your humble hosts. We

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will all see you again in a fortnight, sometimes a

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little longer. Take care,