Speaker 1: Welcome to this edition of The High Strangeness Factor, copyrighted
on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. On The High Strangers Factor,
we explore all aspects of the unexplained and the paranormal.
We put a special emphasis on the connections and underlying
patterns that include UFOs, cryptids and psychic phenomena. Our three
regular hosts are Andy Mercer, co founder, co creator of
The High Strangeness Factor and producer of the show, Susie Bastile,
the show archivist recorder, and resident pug Wedgy Whisper. Also
today we have a return of Brandy, our top guest
co host, and me. I'm Steve Ward, a retired man
of leisure who occasionally references John Keel on the show. Well,
great to be back, guys, and I'll introduce her guests
in just a moment. But let's see Andy, you give
us an update on your publishing company and anything else.
Speaker 2: Doing well a half quite as soon today. The next
book Will is literally going to the printer's probably Monday,
which is on ancient Greek magic, which I've been working
on for quite a while. Don't both the whole story,
but I had a couple of health issues over the summer,
which have kind of not been a bit sarways in
terms of getting work done. So these books are rather late,
but it's going to the printers, as I say, hopefully Monday,
should be out in November. I say it's an element
of ancient Greek magic that become very important thing called
the Bonus Ritual, which is all Crowley and gold and
all that kind of stuff. And this is the new
version of the first translation of the eighteen fifties. What
I've done is modernize the text because at the moment
there's only a the original eighteen fifties version, which is
not that clear, both in terms of the way it's
written and physically. It's quite a bit of a message
call an old documents, a modernized version of that which
will be out, as I say, hopefully in November, which
I'm other please about just take a bit longer than
I'm expected, but it's coming very good.
Speaker 1: And are you starting your YouTube videos again? Well?
Speaker 2: Yes, the panel U came net to work is up
and running properly again. It we're went quite for quite
a while. Well, I don't know if you've been on
the recently, Steve, for those little cryptic foul videos you
used to make of four or five sort of ghostly events,
a bit like Nick Top five that kind of thing.
I've broken them down into individual episodes, so like a
two minute long little video which I like a couple
of times a week and get some traction, some interesting
I'm also uploading obviously our shows, all the ones in
the network, and in fact, I've just put up today
actually an old one of the hours that we did
a couple of years back when we interviewed Jock Johnson
with the New York Police Officer with his stories of
strangers in the New York Police Officers. I've just literally
brought that one out again today after about three years,
so that seems to be getting some interest as well.
So yeah, it's all all moving forward. The network itself
is doing okay, it's quite busy. We've got some couple
of new shows hopefully coming online fairly soon, but we
should have to wait and see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've actually been around a while, which is pretty amazing,
I know. But by the way, do people can they
order your books through Amazon or do they go directly.
Speaker 2: To your own Most of the sort of cult book
suppliers that Miskatonic Books is probably the biggest in America.
Mind from or Ninth Circle Press, which is me directly
you can order it from. I'm not going through Amazon
at the moment. I am considering paperback versions of the
books of publish are not know any hardback, and potentially
as they go onto paper I may well end up
on Amazon eventually. But they are not very good Amazon.
They are. They take you quite a sizeable chunk of
your money away from all this, I'm not too keen
to go to them. But know if you get a
ninth Ninth Circle Press dot com or Ninth Circle Press
dot co dot UK, either one you'll come to my
publishing page or from directly from me, or you can
get it from a various I cult dealers around the
UK and in America. As I say, but if you
go to me, you get an extra You always get
a specialized bookmark which each one goes with the specific books,
not as a general bookmark. You only get that from me.
So people want to have a book about ancient Greek
magic going to my website and it will be available
to say, hopefully early next month.
Speaker 1: Will there ever be any audible versions?
Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, it's a possibility. Certainly one
of two of the earlier ones I've done could potentially.
I mean people have said to me before that I
should do that kind of stuff, audio books. I like
doing voice o a bit for the videos. But if
I think if ever did the voice over audiobook, it
would be my crime novel if I.
Speaker 3: Ever finish it, which you know, that's right, absolutely years
about ten years now and it's nowhere near finished. One
of these days I actually will get around to finishing that,
but at the moment it's just sort of sitting there
in bits and pieces. But yeah, so possibly not because
the cold books don't tend to.
Speaker 2: Give it goes audiobooks because they are often practical books,
so they're literally giving you instructions of how to do stuff.
So maybe maybe not very good.
Speaker 1: And Susie tell us about the Puglogy Whisperer and how
people can tell about their experiences and how they can
contact you.
Speaker 4: So my blog, my blog is Puckologies dot blogs but
dot com on Pucklogy whisper on YouTube, and I do
have some exclusive personal news that I've been waiting to
share with you guys. I'm pretty sure I talked to
a dead person for the first time ever recently. Oh,
not the dead person I was trying to talk to,
and not when I was trying to talk to them.
But nonetheless, it's finally happened.
Speaker 1: Do you want to tell us now or do you
want to wait a while into the program?
Speaker 4: Well, it might not be too exciting the actual story,
so I might have just set myself up to disappoint.
But I heard after like feeling like my aunt who
we called beats Auntie beats around thinking about her for
a couple of days. I heard her say in her voice,
Dad is with Kenny now, and I could not figure
out what that meant until after I spoke to my mother,
and Kenny was her old my grandfather. His name was
also Ken, So at first I said, you know, why
is she saying Grandpa's with himself? That makes no sense.
But they had their first son was also named Ken,
and he passed away when he was about two. So
she was telling me that her oldest brother and her
father that have both passed her together now and she
passed about twenty years ago now, so that was interesting.
I still have not gotten to pash it out with
my great grandma. I've been trying to figure out. But
it's a step I do.
Speaker 1: Have to ask quickly. Did you watch the Expedition X
episode on the Bridgewater Triangle.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to watch it today because I didn't
want to get angry before recording.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think I think you'll be pleasantly pleased. Anyway,
Susie has done a lot of wanderings and investigations into
the Bridgewater Triangle and with the pug Wedgies hang out.
So okay, Well, maybe we'll do a whole show on
Susie's reaction to Expedition EX, like live reactions.
Speaker 5: Afterwards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well explicit probably.
Speaker 1: It could be a great YouTube moment, I can tell you. So, Brandy,
do you want to promote anything?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, if you decide later, like during intermission, you can
promote something. But anyway, I think we should actually introduce
our guests. And if I just click the right button here,
I'll find their intro. Here we go. Star and Collier
Wilnos have been researching in the field of bigfoot for
over ten years when they began seeing a parallel of
anomalists and paranormal encounters being observed alongside the big Foot phenomena. Together,
they started Anomalists Midwest to further their investigations on the
strange phenomena happening within the heartland. Star Intel, Welcome to
the High Stranges Factor.
Speaker 6: Oh we have sound effects now.
Speaker 1: We have to have you on the show.
Speaker 6: So well, thank you for having us. We're glad to
be here.
Speaker 1: And I've already told the gang here and of course
you guys and Brandy and I have been together a
couple of times at the the Van Meter Visitor Festival,
which is held in Iowa. The Van Meter Iowa the
last weekend in September to commemorate the Weekend of Terror
that happened in nineteen oh three with the winged creature,
and it's just a great event, which you know Brandy
and I have. I met Brandy at the what was it,
the twenty twenty seventeen, Yeah, twenty seventeen Van Meter Festival, Right,
that sounds about right. Way back in the old base sixteen,
I think sixteen was the was the dog Man Symposium? Yeah, yes,
ladies and gentlemen, there was a dog Man Symposium in Defiance, Ohio,
which was pretty good. But uh, back in those days,
we we uh had we sat outside on bleachers next
to this tiny little library, and but since in it's grown,
we actually are in a VFW hall with a great
area for speakers and tables and everything. So uh So, anyway,
I guess I guess we'll start with, uh, how the
heck did you guys get involved in this? I mean
you you did?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: You? You pursued this separately before you knew each other?
Or yes? So how did that unfold for you?
Speaker 2: Guys?
Speaker 6: Well? How deep do we want to go into our
origin story?
Speaker 1: Oh? Deep, deep, deep, Listen, this is a deep show
with applause, so go ahead.
Speaker 6: Well, we started through another friend's podcast called The Squash
or the Line ran by Jeffrey Kelly. At the time,
he used to always open up the Google hangouts back
when that was still a thing for all the audience
to come in and hang out. And that's kind of
how we met and just chatted off and on over
the years via Twitter, the artist formerly known as Twitter. Yeah,
un till eventually we just kind of realized, oh, wait,
can we like each other more than trends? Let's join
forces and look for the big beats. Yep.
Speaker 5: Then we started researching together and created a novelist Midwest
But of course we did do this separately beforehand. Like,
I've been out in the field researching up in Canada
for a long long time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've been mostly beaten around here in Iowa and
then southern Illinois where there's a lot of hot spot
sightings for various sorts of stuff. Of course, Bigfoot's baked
down there. Of course there's the Tuttle Bottom sponsor or
the Enfield Horror. Yeah yeah, they also have like thunderbird
sightings down there. Oh so yeah, that's kind of where
we reached a point where, like you know, we're based,
we're traveling a lot around the Midwest, why don't we
just kind of use that whole like area as a
focus point.
Speaker 1: And just start did you did you live in Canada? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm from Alberta, oh Okay, Saskatchewan area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how about that. You know, I used to make
a lot of jokes about Saskatchewan and Saskatoon that sort
of thing, and and I did that one time, you know,
I do that the one of one of the tour
tour guides on the Mothman U at the Mothman Festival
that at the at the Mothman Hay Ride on Saturday night,
I made some stupid throwaway joke about people from Saskatchewan,
and there was a man and his son that were
from Siswan. I swear to god, I thought, holy crap.
I'm glad it wasn't a nasty comment. It was just,
you know, it's kind of goofy. Thought, what are the
chances of meeting somebody from Saskatchewan at the monk Man Festival.
Speaker 6: They kind of seemed like they have to travel down
here for all the cryptoid stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we don't have too many festivals going on up
north for cryptis and the like.
Speaker 6: As I say, that closest is Harrison Hot.
Speaker 5: Springs, and it's like it's still fairly small.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that would probably be one of the big ones.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, my my grandmother. We were just talking
about this, but before the show, my grandmother was a
French Canadian. It turns out we didn't know she was
French Canadian. We just thought she was like regular Canadian,
you know. So so I am twenty five percent French Canadian,
So there you go.
Speaker 6: Was she from Quebec?
Speaker 1: She we we thought she was born in Elmer, Ontario.
So what's the do you know, what's what's the town
or building to cross the river from Elmer, do you know,
oh gosh, now whatever whenever that was, that's where she
was born. We didn't know until after she died. I
won't tell that story again, but you know, maybe maybe
next Van Meter Festival I'll tell you guys. So now, uh, now,
you guys have been betrothed for about a year or so.
Speaker 6: Yes, yep, straight uh. Like when we were at the
first Van Meter festival, we went to before right for
the last tour of the day, we snuck out to
the mine where I proposed to her right in front
of the mine.
Speaker 1: Now that explained to everybody what the what the what
the minds are in reference to the.
Speaker 6: So basically with the whole Van Meter saga, it kind
of climaxed with the townspeople tracking these things out to
the mine. Well, at the time they thought it was
just one, but when they got out to the mine,
they saw a smaller version of the creature come out
of the mine, and both of them took off into
the sky where there was a almost like climactic gun
battle where they were trying to take these things down
before they just finally push them back into the mine.
And from there it's kind of up in the air
where they just close the mine off or.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I can't think of a better place
for a wedding proposal.
Speaker 5: Yep, this is where we met, right, So I was
very fitting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I felt like that was just the perfect place
to pop the question. Like you said, we started off
with cryptids. We're both weirdo oddballs, so choose a weirdo
oddball place.
Speaker 1: She's very good works, now you you do you have
several investigations going on. I know there's a particular Bigfoot
investigation that you're involved in in Uh, you know, it's
really weird to it's some parts of the US to
think of them having cryptids. I mean, you mentioned the
in fuel whore, that three legged creepy thing in what
was it Indiana or Illinois?
Speaker 6: Right, it was in Illinois. It was in Enfield, Illinois.
Speaker 1: And uh, I mean and and you know, I uh
and forgive me, Iowan's it's just it's hard to imagine, Uh,
cryptis in bigfoot in Iowa. For crying out loud, what's
you know?
Speaker 6: I get that, well, that's like the most common thing
we get. But there's actually a surprising amount of high
strangeness that happens here in the Hawkeye state. I mean,
David Weatherley clearly was able to write a whole book
on this stuff, which is how we met you guys.
We're the only people that knew the Ottison case, which
was the one you're referencing, right, Yeah, that was the
main investigation that we're kind of we're on.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like started it all off because like,
of course Bigfoot is where we gravitated towards you first.
So we dug into this case, and this case kind
of was.
Speaker 6: Like a springboard that led us to stranger cases. It's
just it's like a series of events, one after the
other after the other, that is all happening in this
kind of pocketed area the state that spans all the
way up from the Humboldt area down to through Van Meter, yeah,
and clear to the bottom of the state even.
Speaker 1: And for those that aren't familiar that familiar with Iowa,
like like me, what can you kind of paint a
picture of what section of the state this is in.
Speaker 6: So the Humboldt area where we're kind of focused on
is about a two hour drive from the northwest of
Des Moines up towards the northwest corner and along the
Des Moines River, where a lot of this phenomena kind
of seems to follow in a way, especially with the
bigfoot type phenomena. And then we found another connection where
it also seems to follow a particular highway one sixty
nine down horizontally through the vertically through the state.
Speaker 1: What uh, so you're the the bigfoot experiences you're looking at?
They do? They seem to be more than just some
kind of a I don't know, Harry primate wandering around.
There's there's there's more a deeper dimension to this.
Speaker 6: Do you want to go first or do you want me? Okay? Well,
that was an interesting thing to dive into because at
least for me, I come from flesh and blood bigfoot idea.
But the more I got into it, like with the
Audisin case, there were just some weird aspects to a
lot of the cases that come our way to where
we kind of wonder if there's a weirder dimension to
it all. In the Addison case alone, there were stuff
that kind of we're a bit more akin to like
high strange just mothman type cases where the creature was
seen with glowing eyes, and then some like disembodied voice
that was asking questions related to time, like the first
sighting of the Addison creature the mother once they heard
the daughter scream and when they came to help ask
you the daughter. Basically they saw the creature running away
and they heard a male voice. Does somebody voice ask?
Does anyone know what time it is?
Speaker 5: So it's very uh and that was actually something you're
going to write off at first.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I kind of thought that was like, oh, that's
obviously a hoaxer or somebody like hearing the commotion, but
they stated that nobody recognized the boys. And then when
we were looking into the hoaxer angle, nothing lined up
because there was a guy that was claiming to be
the hoaxer, but he couldn't like his timeline was way
off because he said he stopped it when the guns
came out, And the guns came out midway through the
whole chain of events.
Speaker 1: It ud Does anybody else want to chime in at
this moment here?
Speaker 2: Just wondering? So have them at other times when you
had that kind of experience where it's more than just
apparently flesh and blood creature, or you've had this kind
of weird anomally. It is occurring.
Speaker 6: A few times sometimes in southern Illinois. I've heard like
more cloaked stuff, like people described it like the shimmer
Man or Predator, where it's like coming into being in
a way. Uh, some encounters where people have described it
as a very word entity flickering kind of almost like
this idea of it's like manifesting or temporarily visible on
our plane.
Speaker 2: Is it a funny question, I know, but is it
kind of difficult to go from that flesh and blood
eyed flesh and blood, flesh and blood I can't speaking
today the flesh and blood idea to the more panelal
kind of weird? Is it difficult to transition from one
idea to the other. Over Here we tended more UFO
based rather than don't occurrences. There's definitely nuts and bolts
from other planets, UFO people here and alter terrestrials other
reality people here, and going for one camp to the
other is unusual. To be sure, we say that people
don't tend to migrate from one to the other, although
I think the ultra terrestrial argument is getting stronger with
people I know sort of thinking, hey, you know, they're
doing too many weird things just to be quote, just spacehops,
mother planets is more going on you. But there is
a lot of diehards who still won't even consider the
ideas that being able to go from one sort of
position to the other you found that easy to do
was It's like.
Speaker 6: I felt, it was like just the journey we were on.
It became easier as we delved into it because a
lot of the sources that we kind of draw up
on as for like what kind of gave us the
spot was guys like John Keel, Brad Steiger, folks of
that ill because I feel like, especially with Bigfoot camps,
there is of course that harsh line. There's the flesh
and blood bigfooters, and then there are the paranormal people.
And a lot of the paranormal people tend to be
a bit hippy ish, hippy dippy, which I feel kind
of as a little bit of a barrier where they're like, oh,
they're peace of love, they're the tree people, and I'm like, well,
that's like, dude, but we literally have accounts of them
attacking people that doesn't kind of fit with the peace
and love angle you want to go with, and reading
into stuff like the works of Keel and Brad Steiger.
As we're getting into kind of these stranger big bootcases
with Ottison, where like there's almost like more like traditional
high strangeness cryptos lap characteristics popping up with these big
boat accounts, that oldra terrestrial angle kind of clicks and
made me think, Okay, maybe there is something to this
paranormal stuff just detached from the kind of a lack
of a better word, the woo woo angle. The most
difficult probably just interacting with the people we've known through
Bigfoot world. We in fact have a friend that just
is like very he has opinions, he has interesting opinions.
Speaker 5: But then again, we don't want to close ourselves off
to what it could be because we all we don't know,
and if we were just like we we put it
in a box of it has to be flush and blood.
Though then any other account that's outside of that we're
closing ourselves off to because we still don't know. So
that's why we are open to everything. We take it
all the details of the cases that we get, even
if it's really strange. Yeah, and we actually look like
that it.
Speaker 6: Works symbiotically for us because there are other researchers in
our state that anytime they get a case that's kind
of a little too weird for them, they send it.
Speaker 5: Really strange.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 6: I'm glad that they do that, because I know other
organizations tend to just throw those cases in a trash bed.
Speaker 2: It's kind of weird. We think. Put the outside world
Joe pubby normal people. They're all weird though, Space Alian
big Fis. You're all just weird to that. Sort of
divisional fighting in the community is always get strange to be,
but it's a part of you and nature as well.
Of course. Do you find it's a regional thing that
more flesh and bloods are over say, the West coast
and sort of more paramela on north And I don't
know how you divide it up. Do you find there's
a difference or just nilly, I.
Speaker 6: Didn't know about it being a regional thing, you know.
Speaker 5: I think it just depends on where.
Speaker 6: I think it depends depends on affiliation. Maybe what researchers
are affiliated with certain organizations. Uh, because we've been all
over the Midwest at this point and we've kind of
gotten it all. You'll get the people that are staunchly
flesh and blood, but like afterwards, after they leave, you
tend to get the people that are more in the
paranormal crowd or we're just like I was just kind
of waiting for him to leave because I didn't want
to be harassed. Like we got a lot of like
strange stories when we were at the Big Muddy Festival
this past summer that were very interesting as far as
like the more paranormal side of bigfoots, like seeing bigfoots
in conjunction with the UFOs.
Speaker 1: And then before you go on, give people an idea
where the Big Muddy Monster showed up in Illinois. What
region is that? So if people don't know.
Speaker 6: That is in the southern Illinois section of the state,
basically the bottom tip of the state, in the middle
of the Shawnee National Forest, in the Little Egypt section
along the Big Muddy River, right.
Speaker 1: Of course, Stan Gordon, I don't know. Have you Have
you read Stan Gordon's book Silent Invasion. It's about bigfoot
and UFOs in southwest Pennsylvania in seventy three and seventy four.
It gets way way out there and there's an asida.
I'll have to tell you. A few years ago, I
spoke at a Bigfoot conference. They actually had a wo
room along with the They had the bigger room with
legitimate Bigfoot speakers like Ken Gerhart. And I can't you know,
this guy's name dropped out of my head. He's a
well known guy from New Zealand. I think I just can't.
Speaker 6: I can't think of his anyway with Adam Davies.
Speaker 1: Adam Davies, Yeah, really good guy. He was speaking at
the same time I was. He was in the legitimate room.
I was in the woo room. And so I told
I told ad him. I said, Adam, you know, I'm
going around telling people that you stole money from a
children's charity so that people will come to my talk
rather than yours. He got, I didn't really do that,
And even though he did steal from that charity, but
anyway doing it.
Speaker 7: But how come the how come the flesh and blood
people aren't okay with these types of things being you know,
from another plane if you will, and then manifesting as
flesh and blood for whatever time they're here. I mean,
what how come that's not okay? Because that would solve
the problem for everybody, wouldn't it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. If you want to go into
your opinions first.
Speaker 5: Why, I think they're just wanting to stay purely scientific
and saying with the whole un discover ape mm hmm.
Speaker 6: It's also a part of the mythology at this point
for them, for lack of a better term, they have
such an attachment to it, kind of like the people
who are nuts and bolts UFO people. Yeah, they're holding
very tightly onto it that any challenge to their status quo,
they really really don't like it. It's just it's crazy
to me because I'm like, well, we haven't solved it,
so you can't say those are the rules when we
don't know what the rules are.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's a tired psychotherapist. I can
sort of speak to a belief. It's about beliefs. If
you have a belief and you want to hold onto that.
If your belief is challenged, it's a challenge to you
personally who you are. So if someone's challenges your beliefs,
then they're challenging you as a person, and people tend
to retreat deeper into those beliefs. No, maouter what they
might be if it's field being challenged. So of course
if you set it stalled out as being a quote
scientific flesh and blood bigfoot hunter, you're going to hold
onto that. And it is belief because we haven't proven
any of these things exist or not, so it's down
to belief. So of course, you know, if you've especially
bit a reputation as being a flesh and blood person,
written books, give talks to et cetera, et cetera. If
you're a suddenly change your position, it's like you're throwing
all that out or it could appear to be. And
that's the real challenge of psychologically, it's like giving up
part of yourself. Yeah, it's Birdie says. I mean, these
things probably are flesh and blood when they appear, but
then of course they just disappear.
Speaker 6: And I also feel like the phenomena itself is more
multi faceted where I believe that, like, if there is
an actual hidden species and relict dominate, it's probably in
the Pacific Northwest. But when we zoom out into other
areas like Iowa, where the habitat isn't the most preferable,
that might be a case where high strangeness version of
Bigfoot probably comes into play. I'm not saying that it
can't also be a flesh and blood We in our
lecture at vat Meter we went into that where we
discussed the possibility that Iowa could be a TRANSI transitory
state that they used as a part of the migration
path because they always followed Des Moines River, it seems,
and the timeline as far as when they're seen as
part of the year, it's very always pocketed in the
late summer to early fall.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm. So where they have those cornfields.
Speaker 6: To no more interesting detail about a lot of people
that they actually use cornfield is kind of like a cover.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because people are told don't go play in the
corn because you might get lost, and you know, who
knows what else is out there. But I mean kids
are told not to play out there. So maybe that
you know, coming through.
Speaker 4: We would specifically get told to go play in the corn.
Is that like when you say play traffic?
Speaker 6: Maybe, yeah, they just we're a little bit irritated with
you kids at that.
Speaker 4: I'm certain to think that, yeah.
Speaker 6: Maybe that's a regional thing.
Speaker 1: Well it didn't help carry granted north by Northwest. That's
I've got about three questions spinning in my head right here.
Somebody saved me here, man, I can sort of.
Speaker 6: One of them related to John Keel.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm very proud that I've been holding
off not just blurting John keelisms the whole time. But
it's a good point that was brought up about, Uh,
you know, if the if these things are perhaps they're
their flesh and blood, but that they can somehow move
elsewhere in another realm or dimension or whatever and then
come back like like like Keels window areas or whatever.
But then Ron Moorehead seems to think that they sort
of manifest become physical, you know, come from a more
ethereal standpoint. So it's very you know the I think Collier,
I think there's probably both. I mean, when you look
at that, there's some instances where you are probably talking
about a flesh and blood creature cryptid in some cases
even Keel back in strange creatures from time and space
thought there were some that were in fact unknown animals,
but others fit more the ultra terrestrial aspect. So and
that makes it really hard. I mean, if that's the case,
if you have these two sides, how the hell were
you ever going to sort them out?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I think it kind of just comes down to like
cross referencing with the work that everybody else has done,
like Kiel and Steiger, Like we kind of the reason
we came to like at least the Humboldt Bigfoot stuff
being more high strangeness is due to the fact that
there's so much else happening in the state. Like how
he said with window areas, usually when you see like
these monster sightings and other phenomenas soon in tow because
when we were actually investigating the Aux case, we were
starting to get other people talking to us about, oh,
we have ghost sightings here, and now we're also there's
UFOs buzzing over the sky. There was actually a very
crazy I told Steve about this at a at the
band Meter Visitors Festival, But there was like one case
in particular we're working on right now that almost was
like rips right out of the Mothman prophecies, specifically the
blood truck case.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're talking about if you've read the mock
Nat prophecies, there is a was a bloodmobile that had
been out a whole day collecting blood and they even
name the guy in there. He was being pursued by
some kind of a strange craft or whatever. They kept
getting closer and closer to the bloodmobile and they could
even see something like a mechanical arm coming down and
go ahead Keller.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh, just so, we were at a moufon meeting
a couple it was like last spring, and they had
a witness there that was telling his event. He was
a blood truck driver. So immediately when he said that,
I look at Star and we're like, oh, and he's
talking about he was traveling from Algona down one sixty
nine to picking up blood from the hospital, and twenty
minutes into his drive he is being pursued by orbs
that were falling from the sky and then by a
garage sized squarish craft that was very luminous and at
points was even like hitting the back of his truck.
Speaker 1: Holy cow.
Speaker 6: Yeah wow. And we asked the witness afterwards, its like,
have you heard the name John Keel?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 6: Uh, have you ever read the Mockman prophecies? Dude? Literally,
all I know is Skinwalker Ranch. After this has happened,
he was literally like a guide's guy, just trying to
look for answers. He doesn't know any of this. He's
not a part of this weirdo world. So it was
weird coming across that synchronicity.
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with did I interrupt somebody? Are you
familiar with that? I think it's the Rochelle monster. They
called it Roro. I'm not sure if it was Indiana
or Illinois back in the seventies. Well, this thing, actually,
Zelia Edgar chronicles it in just another tinfoil hat presents it.
This thing. People started hearing poundings on the house, they
could could smell something, they felt the breath on their
necks sometimes, and eventually this thing started to become visible.
It was a classic bigfoot, but it was translucent. It
didn't always leave footprints. And then over time it seemed
to become more physical and even attacked livestock like chickens
and so forth, didn't eat them, but killed them. And
then eventually it just sort of faded away, almost like
this thing was sort of manifest and becoming more and
more physical and then fading away. He'll always thought that
they these things, well you know, these uh, these transmogrifications,
they would become uh paraphysical and act like real animals,
you know, killing other livestock and so forth, and then
just sort of melt away, so that that puts another
wrench in it that but perhaps some of these things
are phantasms that become uh uh uh a.
Speaker 6: Physical yeah, which I was also another detail of the
Austent case that it was like mutilating animals, which kind
of led me down the whole idea of like, what
is there's something to it because we often see that
in the strangeness cases where the phenomena doesn't play well
with our pets or live stile.
Speaker 1: Let me do our brief intermission here. You are listening
to The High Strangeress Factor copyrighted on the Paranormal UK
Radio Network. Today Andy, Susie, Brandy and I are talking
to Star and Collier about their adventures in the paranormal.
I want to do just a brief segue. Collier, you
have a very interesting hobby that parallels my interest and
you make monsters. We're going to get back to the
paranormal stuff. But yeah, like that like that stuff there,
very cool? All right, it's a good thing. Nobody could
This is just going to be audio. I don't I'm
not even gonna describe what just happened, because.
Speaker 6: That is the Rorschach test for your listeners. Whatever. You
can imagine that's on you.
Speaker 1: When you you have a household of this stuff. Rights.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah there. I like to make monster masks and
little statue monster statues and bus Like Steve said, I
actually come from the makeup effects world, uh movies and
short films. I work with the bands making their masks. Okay, yeah,
that's kind of so that actually adds a little bit
of an extra level of like the viewpoint I can
bring to this type of stuff because it's actually helped
me with like sometimes, yeah, debunking. Uh. Usually, I'm sure
a lot of people see, like when a photo comes out,
like the most recent one I can remember was a
alleged big book came out and within a couple of
seconds I was like, no, that's actually a makeup test
from the Walking with cave Man series, Remember that one?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Uh, these days with CGI and AI, anytime somebody puts
up something, whether it be a video or still, I think,
why do you bother? You know this? Even if it's legitimate,
nobody's gonna believe it.
Speaker 4: And I'd rather see a practical effects hoax over AI
or CGI or photoshop any day.
Speaker 6: Yeah, bring back creative hoaxing.
Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, like, all right, did you guys follow the
kin Panama space Potato alien saga at all?
Speaker 6: Oh? Is that the one of they had the dried
out mummy alien?
Speaker 4: No, he was. He's in Panama, I believe, and he
and stage this whole thing where this meteorite had crashed
and then this thing started growing out of it.
Speaker 6: Oh. Yeah, he showed me that. Actually it kind of
looks a little bit like the venoms be it.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's the one.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, that's actually a practical thing, is it?
Speaker 4: Yeah? He he came out and explained how he did
it eventually. How did he do it? It was basically
like these like set He made like tentacles that were
like triangular or like pyramid shaped segments of plastic that
were on a string and attached them all and when
you were pulling manipulating the strings, they it would bend.
You could tell it was never moving organically. It was
always kind of like jerky. But then he would put
plastic and hot glue on it and then paint it.
Speaker 6: So I don't wonder if that was in the stand
Winston School. There was like a lot of classes in
that school that showed you how to basically make monsters
out of trash bags.
Speaker 4: How have you personally experienced any Have you busted any
hoaxes debunkeds a lot in your area? Personally?
Speaker 6: No. Unfortunately, we don't gotten a lot of creative hoaxers
out here question. To my chagrin. Like I said, the
only one I can think of was the alleged hoaxer
in relation to the Ottison case, because when I was
delving deep into that case, I did track down a
Storm Lake Times article where their reporter talked to a
patron at a bar in West Bend, which is only
five minutes away from Ottison, who claimed to have known
the Oaks, who was a little farm boy from Iowa
back in the seventies who claimed to have donned a
guerrilla suit and went about scaring and terrorizing the whole town.
And when he was telling the chain of events, like
I mentioned earlier, it just didn't line up with the
series because there was the initial flap where the creature
was seen by a couple of young girls, their mother
and a family friend, and then a group of rambunctious boys.
Then after that got published across the state, a bunch
of people curiosity seekers and want to be monster hunters
started flocking to town, and now the sheriff's having to
try to get these all these people with guns to like, Okay,
simmer down. You can't be going with loaded rifles around
this small town. And the hoaxer claimed that he stopped
when the guns came out, which doesn't line up because
after that, in going into September, you get the second
wave where it's seen going up to people's windows, looking
at the farmhouses, farm equipment, and a group of forty
kids were building their homecoming flow when they see two
of these creatures, one with glowing blue eyes and one
with glowing red eyes. So it's the hoaxer. If it
was a hoax, he either has faulty memory or is
just lying.
Speaker 5: And then, like we said before, in the midst of
all these cases, there was also tons of animal mutilations
being found, so we're just like, oh, that goes beyond
a little fun fun of hooks on the town.
Speaker 6: That's kind of borderline serial killer stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're just like, this hoax angle really just
wouldn't make sense if any it was a hope.
Speaker 6: Order, yeah, if all, And it also doesn't explain some
of the weirder aspects of what happened, like the fact
that they always described it as having either dazzling or
glowing eyes. Yeah, I'm not sure he had the means
to fake stuff like that on a costume, and.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, from your cost your background, you could.
Speaker 6: Yeah, at the best he would have access to at
the time was a either off the shelf cost gorilla
costume he would have bought or rented, which in that
section of the state that would have required maybe the
closest would have been Fort Dodge, or he would have
to drive two hours to des Moline to a theatrical shop.
Speaker 5: So I don't know if we've mentioned that the autist
in case it actually took place.
Speaker 6: In the seventies, nineteen seventy eight, so this wasn't a
recent thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my ex wife ordered a Bigfoot costume from Amazon,
which I donned. And my nephew, who was heavy into
finding Bigfoot when he was little, his dad had set
up a trap camera on his grandfather's property. So I
put I put the costume on, and we had no
idea if I was triggering the camera. So I'm walking
back and forth and back and forth, and so they
took the pictures out later and I did register a
couple times, and it was very cool because Luke said,
Dad Bigfoot. He bought it for about five minutes and
then he had his doubts.
Speaker 6: But I went into de bunking it.
Speaker 1: Well. Then on Halloween I donned the costume again and
his grandfather was pulling them out. He had a tractor
and a little cart, so he's pulling all the kids
out around the farm there. So I show up behind
the trees and I actually started knocking with a stick first,
And anyway, that was that was fun. But then when
I was the shortest Bigfoot on the planet, I think
I'm trying to run from one one point to another
to try and misdirect them, and I'm having to lift
the mask up so i can breathe. I mean, good lord. Anyway,
it was very comical. It's too bad it wasn't recorded
on you.
Speaker 6: I can relate to that. I had this address of
Jason Voorhees for my work recently.
Speaker 1: Oh, very good.
Speaker 6: It's very brutal trying to breathe in rubber masks.
Speaker 1: I know I needed a stunt man. I needed a
stunt double is what I needed.
Speaker 6: Well, I'll come out to the point plus that next
year and be a stunt man.
Speaker 1: Oh sounds good. So do you have you guys published
any of your stuff online or is there any way
people can follow you with your your research?
Speaker 6: Well, we have Anomalists Midwest on across Instagram, Blue Sky,
and on TikTok now, and.
Speaker 5: We also just started a YouTube channel.
Speaker 6: Yep where we posted our lecture from van Meter.
Speaker 5: But we hopefully have more things that we're too yep.
Speaker 6: And I'm working on a com book actually that is
depicting the dox in case that is on the way.
I just did a promo book. I actually gave one
to Steve the first six pages. I'm on page seven
eight now. Uh, just I'm enjoying like going down the
rabbit hole and exploring this in an alternate avenue. And
we're also discussing on like a book potentially in the future.
Speaker 1: Oh excellent. Now, are there any other research projects you've
got going on or anything you have your sites on
right now that you can tell you about. If it's
under double secret probation, you don't have to tell us,
but just instant case.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's a couple of like locations we've been
out checking out bigfoot reports where we've gotten some pretty
interesting vocal activity. Yeah, yeah, we actually were.
Speaker 5: Exactly. Yeah, but we can.
Speaker 6: We'll tell you about it outside the recording. Okay, all right,
we don't we don't want like the classic case of
like a bunch of bigfoot monster hunters like blocking to
an area and kind of ruining hair.
Speaker 7: Okay, can you say the county without giving it away.
Speaker 6: It's adjacent to Madison County. Okay, I think it is
an act actually, if I remember correctly. But yeah, we've
gotten vocal activity. It was like around seven o'clock. We
were out there all day just scoping the area out.
We had just gotten reports that the people were being
chased out by the creatures.
Speaker 2: Din.
Speaker 6: Around seven, we just start hearing this who.
Speaker 5: And it was very interesting because we have been out
there for eight hours already, so we're very attuned to
the noises that are in the woods at this point,
but this came out of nowhere. It was very loud
for us, and we're just like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a lot. I wouldn't say less loud.
It was distinct, Yeah, distinct because it didn't have the
verboseness of say, an adult. Because the report we got
was they felt like it was a family unit that
had two adults and maybe one or two juveniles, And
this sounded like a smaller creature because I've heard potential
adult sasquatch vocals in southern Illinois, and I was hearing
that from miles away. This kind of sounded like a
given in a way because.
Speaker 5: When we went over the vocals, of course, we tried
to match it up to Merlin the bird app that
will tell you eddy bird call that say. If we
didn't recognize it, we went over animal species that it
could be. Nothing came up. But we look into a
given and we're like, that is probably the closest thing. Yeah,
that's to the sound.
Speaker 6: But I I wish we could have got like a
recording of it when we were like right up on it,
because we were like going all over the park by
trying to get close. We're pretty much right up on it.
It was on the other side of the limits of
the park, where we were any further we would have
been trespassing.
Speaker 5: The wooded area was like private.
Speaker 6: Properly, yeah, and the creek was on the other side,
so whatever this was was like along the creek bed,
which makes sense. And we hear this most demonic piss
and our eyes get big. We look at each other
and started like big cat and I'm like, bob cat.
Speaker 5: But it did. It sounded like a big cat ran
into something that scared the hell out of it. That's
what it sounded like to us. And that's when the
whoops stopped too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's when we were like, well, I got no
self defense. We're gonna just calmly book it out for
the cat.
Speaker 5: But it was a very very interesting location for sure.
Speaker 6: Earned that it's just doing more work in the Humboldt area.
Speaker 5: Because we have so much coming out of this area.
We have tons of reports that we're still going through
and digging up certain areas. It is an ongoing case.
It's a huge one.
Speaker 6: It's like not just like even the direct phenomena, it's
like just the weird synchronicities with the area while looking
into it. Of course, we don't believe this is speeds
into the phenomena. It's just a detail that we're like,
that's that's kind of strange because in the beginning of
this we were like, oh, wouldn't it be cool to
have like a Mouffman level case, And then as we're
getting these weird UFO reports and then we're like looking
into the history. It's like, oh, there was like this
Native American massacre in the area where there was a
murder over by Spirit Lake and then they sassated the chief.
Speaker 5: Right at the blood run over Highway one sixteen nine
where a lot of this is happening. But then we're
also going into like not only the historical features of
the area, but also the geological features of the area,
which are really unique as well, because there's a huge
continental rift right over Iowa too, which makes gravitational anomalies.
Could this have some kind of bearing on what's happening here?
Speaker 6: On top of that, in the area, there is a
crater from a meteorite impact from the Cretaceous era which
led to a very large deposit of solenite.
Speaker 5: That's the one, right, Yeah, so there there's a whole
gravitational anomally just with that. And of course where is
it right like on the edge of Humboldt County again,
so you have some really unique features going around there.
So it's like, not only are investigating cases and what
will happen in the area historically like or maybe on
an energetic level, But then Also you have the stuff
that's happening on a geological level that could be causing
anomalies too, maybe causing these window areas to happen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe putting off like weird electromagnic magnetic frequencies exactly
that affect our brains and cause us to see these things. Yeh,
that's one.
Speaker 7: It's so much cooler than anybody ever thought.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, they're intentially trying to hide our state's awesome history. Yeah,
we're being silenced.
Speaker 5: It's a very unique area. You want to expect it
at first. But like I said, we like started off
with just this what we thought was a normal, little
bigfoot case. And the further we dug into this case,
like the deeper down the rabbit hole, we continue to
go and we're like.
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, then we're getting into the works of
Brad Steiger, who I almost equate as like Iowa's John
Keel in a way. When he was a young boy
in Bode, Iowa, which is only five minutes from where
Ottison is, he had a childhood sighting of a diminutive
extraterrestrial creature that had pointed ears a yellowish glow to
him and big eyes and I was looking at the
picture of it and I'm like, that is almost identical
to the Hopkinsville Goblins. Wow, but I think this is
like when did the Goblins event happen? Was it in
the fifties or six? Yeah, this would have happened like
ten years prior to that.
Speaker 1: Okay, I remember him talking about it on I think
was it one that was standing on the windowsill outside
looking through?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he said it was out on the windowsill outside.
It was like dragging this tub because they didn't have
running water, so every time they needed to take a bath,
they had to use the well water. It was dragging
that so he could like get up and peek in
at his parents.
Speaker 1: And they lock eyes or something like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he said that. He always described it as the
watcher felt like it was being watched, and it turned
and looked at him and its pupils got wide and
almost hypnotized him into a trance.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a very credible guy that has a
great body of work.
Speaker 6: That was another weird synchronousity that came up too, because
I was going into Steiger's book on UFO abduction book
and he was describing thinking that one or the seed
one that there was an aerial battle that took place
along the Mississippi River with UFOs, and we were at
another move On meeting and they were describing one that
happened just this year that was almost identical, and I
was like, what is going on here?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Wow, And of course nobody in that room knew who
Steiger was right when I mentioned, like, this is straight
out of Steiger's book.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll give you another wild connection. Jenny Randalls great
British researcher. She wrote a book with Paul Whittnall called
Alien Contact. There's a few books that have Alien Contact
in the title, So this is when she co wrote
with Paul Whittneall, and it was the Sunderland family and
a whole series of bizarre encounters in the late seventies
early eighties I think in Wales, and they finally focused
on the younger boy who had kind of overlooked for
a while, and they I think they put him under
hypnosis and he drew the creatures he saw and they
looked like the Kelly Hopkinsville Goblins. Jenny Randalls just about
fell over. I mean, it's just it's just amazing, these
these parallels that show up all over the place.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's like one even weird detail I found when
I was looking because playing with different tools for investigation,
I was just testing the waters with the whole secret
cipher tool.
Speaker 1: Oh right, explain that that's Alan Greenfield.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah.
Speaker 6: The story behind that is it's based out of Alistair
Crowley's book The Law, where the entities claim that there's
a secret cipher in here. Don't even bother Crowley, You're
not going to be the one that cracks this. And
fifty years later, some occultists cracked the cipher and Alan
Greenfield publishes it in The Secret Cipher of the Euphonauts. Well,
I was playing around with it when I was delving
into Steiger's account, because he said the reason he found
a depiction that looked exactly like the creature he saw
he was at a art gallery in Arizona where a
painter had painted that exact creature, And when asking about it,
he's like, I thought you would ask that because the
woman who saw this entity comes from West Bend.
Speaker 5: Which is just five minutes I love, and so.
Speaker 6: When he was talking to her, she had extended contact
with these creatures who claimed to come from Galenia, and
I was looking into the wider ufology world seeing if
Galenia had come up, because like this sometimes happens where
people multiple people will say they come in contact with
Venusians or Martians, Blandulos, Galenia kind of seemed at first
like the odd man out where nobody else ever mentioned it.
It was literally just that one. So I entered Galenia
and the cipher equaled out to seventy seven, and I
would eventually enter Goblin into the cipher also equaled seventy seven.
I just found that interesting detail that another goblin like creature.
Speaker 2: Well, here's a funny coincidence. Alan Greenfield was just disa
bit of a Facebook today. He counts just disappeared. I'm
gonna have talk to guy quite a few times. I'm
the favorite about crowded Something.
Speaker 1: Actually is one of the most knowledgeable people in this
realm with the Cipher and Crawley and.
Speaker 2: A little bit about it. Yes, I mean, but yeah,
it's it's very odd that you should mentioned today and
he's just finished. I've been talking for on Facebook.
Speaker 6: They know about that. Did they get did the men
in Black get them?
Speaker 2: You do wonder? I mean, we're doing the whole story now.
But there are two versions of the actual cipher. One
that's Alan uses. There's another one that will call Kath
Thompson came up with in the u K. And they're
slightly different. So who knows which is the real one is?
Speaker 6: But well, the one we've been using is the online
version that any duke query, which maybe Mileage Mayberry were
open to like changing up, trying out new things.
Speaker 2: Well that's try Kath Thompson the English gibal as a thing,
but just come of a slightly different version of it.
Speaker 6: So okay, I might have to contact you after this
and from in the direction of that one. What's the
difference between that one?
Speaker 2: To honest you, I don't know. I haven't really looked
into that much, but I do know that's it. There's
more than one version that floating around.
Speaker 1: Okay, I messed with the cipher for a long time
and I never came up with anything, So there you go.
But that doesn't mean much. It's but it's uh, Alan
Greenfield would come up with these but by using the cipher, uh,
you know, full sentences and uh he thought that was
able to predict certain UFO incidents or sightings.
Speaker 2: Or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting idea, but don't use me as your
guide because I failed miserably.
Speaker 6: I mean, I've played around with it a bit and
I've gotten interesting results with it. I'll be happy to
tell you off the air with that, Okay, I'm still
playing around it and trying to figure out what what
is happening. So we're still experimenting and still trying to
come to our own conclusion. So I don't want to
publicly say it.
Speaker 7: But you're not drawing.
Speaker 1: Sorry, go ahead, go ahead, Brandy.
Speaker 7: You're not drawing in any like negative energies or are
you worried about that if you're using that cipher like
bringing that I guess entities to you?
Speaker 6: Okay, what I'll say is I don't feel a negativity
as far as like whatever entities that are hypothetically possibly
being contacted. Whatever. It is very humorous, very tongue in cheek.
It seems okay because we basically use it in conjunction
with a modified version of the Gansfield experiment.
Speaker 4: Those are my favorite type of entities. That's why I
like puck Wedgies a little bit.
Speaker 6: Mischievous, very trickstery.
Speaker 4: Trickstery, because how boring would the world be without a
little bit of mischief. I think in the paranormal we
look at things very black and white, but everything in
the world there's a lot of gray. So I think
we can't automatically say, oh, this is bad, this is negative,
because most things are neutral.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I think that whatever the mechanism behind the
high strangeness phenomena is a lot of it seems very
playful in a way, like this is just its way
of entertaining itself, which sometimes can be very silly and
sometimes can have a bit of a dark humor to it.
Speaker 4: Oh, if I was an ultra terrestrial, I would just
be pranking people all day with the.
Speaker 1: Stuff you could do. I would never I would never
give Susie that kind of power.
Speaker 6: It just wouldn't work well at that point. She'd be
like Palpatine from episode three, being like, I.
Speaker 1: Got an off the wall question for you. As you know,
men in black show up in UFO cases, bigfootcases, and
and just have has there any have you guys run
into anything like that that would fall into general man
in black category in your research.
Speaker 6: So far, not the direct iteration of men in black,
The most adjacent would probably be like dream entities that
kind of fall more in line with hat Man. There
was one spooky moment where we were in the car
chatting and I was like, literally, the only thing that
we haven't come into is men in black And as
I say finished saying that, in our playlist, the X
Files music comes up, just.
Speaker 5: Like, Okay, that's kind of spooky.
Speaker 6: We do have kind of almost like great Barker moments
where we're talking about it's always seems to happen when
we talk about paranormal stuff on the phone. Our phone
cuts out and the call hangs up, And of course
the first thing I'll have to say when I call back, like, well,
the alphabet soup guys are onto us.
Speaker 1: Uh, you guys know John Tinney, right, yes, of course, yes, okay,
zines right. Well, he uh, great speaker, uh he and I.
I drove him to the Butler Paranormal event a few
years back when I was still in Michigan. It was
about four hours. It was a NonStop conversation. This guy's
the most interesting guy you'll ever meet. But uh, he
told me about a dream he had one night. He's
he's you know, he's in his house, and you know
how dreams are a little bit distorted. Gray Barker is
sitting in a rocking chair on his roof and he's
rocking back and forth and he says, hey, Grays, they're
named after me, and then the dream ends.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember him talking about that on their podcast
where he's like, I.
Speaker 1: Won, I won, you know, and I never I never
even thought about that, you know, Grey Barker and Gray Aliens.
Not that there's any connection, but man, some people have
really cool dreams.
Speaker 6: I don't really she has the best dreams.
Speaker 1: Oh really, I don't.
Speaker 5: Call them dreams. We mostly because it's more in the
twilight before you actually fall into sleep is when the
weirdest stuff happens.
Speaker 6: But yeah, there was like one interesting time where she
just came out of she was in that twilight stage
and she heard jingling of bells, like.
Speaker 5: Walking out of the door, walking away from the door,
Like it was so distinct that it woke me up.
Speaker 6: But it was a very particular type of belt.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like a like it was on it
was moving, bells moving, and I'm like, I've heard that before,
I've heard this, and it was so much so that
throughout the day I was just like it was bugging me,
and I'm like, I have to figure out what the
sound is.
Speaker 6: I can't remember who was which one of us actually
came to it first, but I think I remember. I
just remember the point where I pulled up a YouTube
video of a Native American ceremonial dancer in a chime
dress or jingle dress.
Speaker 5: Jingle dress, and like I recognized it instantly because like
I lived up north in a Native American community, so
I was just like, absolutely, it was a jingle dress,
That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 6: And then two days later, my mom reaches out to me,
being like, you need to talk to Lou because he
has a lot of interesting bigfoot in little people stories
to tell you guys. So it was like a weird,
almost prematory.
Speaker 5: Moment, yes, because he works on a Native American reservation,
so there was like almost a mention type of contact
from that weird instance.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And we actually did end up talking to him
about a lot of it, and it was kind of
funny because he said, don't talk about the little people
because that'll invite you and or invite them into your
house and they'll take your things. Literally the day after
we're talking about them, I lose my TV remote for
a week.
Speaker 4: I blamed Wendy's for everything I lose.
Speaker 2: Around the house.
Speaker 6: I was like, I must have been the pug with jeez.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as Susie, you've done investigations into little people.
Speaker 4: You could say that. I suppose, yeah, a little bit.
I haven't come across any in Iowa, definitely Wisconsin. Gotten
a few from Wisconsin. And I don't know if talking
about him invites him in They they seem to just
do what they want regardless, So I say, go ahead
and talk about them.
Speaker 6: It's gonna say this was mostly in relation to the tribe.
What tribe is that he works with? Oh, they currently
reside in the Dakotas. Oh, but they used to live
in the Iowa section until they were unfortunately pushed out.
Speaker 1: Susie, what did the punk wedges? You talked about the
one in ones in the Bridgewater Triangle area, but then
was it was it Illinois where the other ones were
manifested differently?
Speaker 4: Or oh the ones with the bowl cuts?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the bowl haircuts.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Indiana, remember you guys talking to this in the
past episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Indiana. Here they they just they kind of sometimes
they're described as looking like a little bigfoot type thing,
but with the pot belly. But in Indiana they're they're
more like tiny people, but there's they have pointy ears,
and they're said to have like a blonde bowl cut,
just like very nineteen nineties bowl cut.
Speaker 6: With just speculate that somebody what campaign left their Beatles
soundtrack on Walkman.
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, this is this has been a lot of
fun talking to you guys. It was you know, uh,
we we had long conversations in person actually, and a
couple of meter visitor festivals. I expect to see you
guys back there again. Uh, ladies and gentlemen. If you
have any other questions for these guys, please feel free.
Speaker 7: I do have a couple of questions they did with
the proximity to the Native American sites, I guess they're
in Iowa near these events. Have you come across any
dog Man reports or phantom big cat reports?
Speaker 6: Well, maybe that was a phantom big cat that was
kissing at us, But as far as phantom cats and dogmen,
the only one I could trace was from the werewolf
of terror Bridge. But we haven't gotten a whole lot
for dog Man personally yet. We did just recently into
a lot of like the mounds across Iowa.
Speaker 1: Well you did, well, do you have you find any
correlation with cryptid reports or or pre noormal experiences in
mounds so far?
Speaker 6: Well, that was your lead that you dived headfirst into.
Speaker 5: If there's anything yet, because this is still just something
I'm currently working on, but it is very interesting that
in our area of research. There is a very large
cluster of them in this area as well, so it's
very like significant spiritual location, a lot of energy coming
out of them. And it seems like in other areas
of my strangeness, like I've heard a case in Ohio
where a lot of craziness was happening also was surrounded
by a meteor crater and mounds, and you're just like, oh,
this is really interesting. I don't know if it's anything yet,
but it's just a road I am researching now.
Speaker 4: Well, I will say, we don't have mounds here, but
we have stonework because the glaciers were nice enough to
leave us all these stones. And I have personally noticed
a correlation between the stone work and paranormal events as well.
Speaker 6: It's definitely that way in Little Egypt area southern Illinois too,
because there's a lot of like rocky bluffs in spires
left behind where a lot of like this weird high
strangeness happens. Like we literally visited a archaeological site where
they had carvings left behind of thunderbirds some of those. Yeah, yep.
There was also another site that we kind of have
been on our radar list and it kind of came
back in a way recently because there's a cave system
over by the dab important Dubuque area, and one of
our friends actually sent us a new case from Phantoms
and Monsters of I sent Steve this where they saw
a gargoyle like creature with glowing eyes and a monkey
face and reading into it. It was very interesting the
way it was described again with that weird cloaking look
in the beginning, as it kind of manifested.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that shimmer or the quicksilver curtain, people like to
call it different things. There's a really fastending book called
Valley of the Skukum my Sally Shepherd at Wolford. She's
the mother of Autumn Williams, famous bigfoot researcher, and she
was she wrote the book because when Autumn was between
three and six years old. This was an ordering Washington.
They had bigfoot encounters. They they heard them moving around
in their trash. They heard this sort of quick sort
of for lack of a better term, Chinese rapid fire
Chinese language, which sounds very similar to what Ron Moorehead
recorded at the same time in the right, in the
in the uh in the Sierra Nevadas, and they had
classic UFO sidings there, orange orbs, even men in black encounters.
But what made me think about it is theyre in
the nineteen fifties. There was a meteor that that hit
somewhere around there, and they would they tried to trace
that down, and they found the local newspaper, and they
went into the art chives, which were all kind of disorganized,
and they found the dates that would have covered the
meteor crashing were gone. The whole area was just another
one of these three ring circuses of the paranormal Fascinating
book that I highly recommend.
Speaker 6: Well that it's very interesting that you mentioned that goes
When we were delving into a lot of the UFO
cases that were happening around Humboldt. There was one that
you mentioned that apparently got press but it got pulled
when we tried to track down the actual newspaper article, right,
there was one that actually disappeared.
Speaker 1: It's just really bizarre. You know, you always want to
be careful about latching onto conspiracy theories, but good lord,
if sometimes you follow the evidence and it just leads
you down that road.
Speaker 5: No, it's really interesting because I remember trying to dig
up this one report I heard of, and I must
have been back in the fifty and I literally went
through old newspaper after newspaper, and it was kind of funny.
The day the woman said she reported it to the
newspaper that day was missing. I literally went from the
day before to the day after that newspaper from the
fifties was gone.
Speaker 6: Yeah, which, who knows, Maybe that was just a case
of small towns not doing a great job at archiving.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's an interesting question.
Speaker 6: That all also happens, but it's kind of weird. Of
all the days to go missing, that's the one that
goes missing.
Speaker 1: Well in this particular instance, see, the newspapers were not
archived properly, so she and a Native American friend of hers,
they spent hours and hours getting them in order and
archiving them, and that that particular day the information on
this meteor was was gone.
Speaker 5: That's so interesting.
Speaker 6: Well, I remember having a weird like instance related to
like newspapers that are just like kind of gone. I
had a childhood instance where I was in the living
room and I was literally watching this entity almost manifested
in front of me that looks like you're it's just
shadowy body, but on top of it was like a
typical big foot head. Just threw that away, and I
was like, didn't talk about that for like decades until
I read David Weatherley's book where there was like a
flap of wild man sightings in the county I lived in.
But the problem there was it was one hundred years prior.
Speaker 1: Huh, So have you always had these kinds of experiences?
Are Are you one of those people that seem to
be tuned in to appear in essay?
Speaker 6: Probably not tuned in until recently. But that was like
a childhood experiences where I experienced that. And then there
was this common experience I would have where I'd be
playing with a certain toy. I would turn away for
a second, turned back, boy would be gone. I'd look
around and it would be sitting there floating in the
air until I made eye contact with it and then
they would drop.
Speaker 1: You know, my only paranormal experiences when I that my
dad finally finished off the attic that became my room.
So of course, you know, I was afraid of monsters,
and everybody knows that if you hide under the covers,
the monsters can't get you, but you do leave kind
of an air hole so you can breathe. But I
would hear like with some of like somebody walking across
the floor. Of course, it turned out it was just
the heat dut you know, contracting and expanding. So I
just never had any paranormal experiences and no monsters even
tried to get me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, recently we adopted a ghost cat. Oh really, no,
we just leave catnip offerings out for it. It's a
little tricky now that we have a corporeal cat, so
we've got to be careful where we leave the catnip
offerings to our ghost cat. But we moved into this
current apartment and we noticed like two particular doors always
creaked open. Okay, that's just the foundation settling. Weird, it's weird.
It happens only the cabinet door and the bathroom door.
Speaker 1: So what's the name of your cat.
Speaker 6: The corporeal one or the ghost one?
Speaker 1: Oh well, we need to hear both either.
Speaker 6: Well. Our flesh and blood cat, his name is Leo.
He's a little terror. He's a typical orange cat and
ghost cat. We've come to nickname Princess because she's a
little prima donna. Ye, the evening we actually came to
the conclusion we had a ghost cat. Was actually the
day of our wedding. I was coming in from loading
up the car. She was in our room getting ready,
and our buddy that was going to officiate the wedding
was sitting on the couch. I come into a pretty hefty,
sturdy King Kong figure I have playing on the ground
and I just look at it, look at my buddy's
like it literally just slid off. We go about our day,
we do, go have the wedding, and then we come
back stars like spritsing. The reptiles puts the the spray
bottle on my tool box and we literally watch it
as it like slides off, it hits the floor. Following day,
we go take everybody to the airport, collapse in the bed.
After our busy weekend, and we swear to God, we
feel an impression hit on us on top of the
bed and on my side, I feel like I can
feel the biscuits being made. It's a cat. It's a
ghost cat. We have a ghost.
Speaker 5: Cat, like knocking stuff off our counters, like cuddling up
to us. Yeah, as we spent more time with her, like,
it came very evident and we're just accepting. It's very sweet. Yeah,
it made sense because our apartment building has only ever
allowed cats in it, so just the.
Speaker 4: Cats of reptiles in our case, this has somehow become relevant.
I don't know how, but my cat's name is Alistair Pauley.
Speaker 5: To share. I love it.
Speaker 6: I wish I was able to give a clever name
to our cat, but.
Speaker 4: I don't suggest that because I think names have power,
and he is kind of a weirdo pervert. Now, so
maybe the traditional cat names.
Speaker 6: Now, your cat is the most evilest cat alive. Your
cat is the reincarnation of Crowley.
Speaker 1: Maybe he can produce another cipher.
Speaker 6: Maybeah, only cats will be able to know it though.
Speaker 4: That's right, that's probably what he's been doing under the bed.
Speaker 6: Oh God, communing with what was what was the beings
that Crowley was communing.
Speaker 1: With Lamb lamb lamb.
Speaker 6: Huh was the luminous one. There was another one.
Speaker 5: I know there's at least three, but the names are
not coming career I was.
Speaker 6: Iwas with the one. There you go with an a.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just to appropriate A black cat has just shown
up here.
Speaker 6: We manifested it. It was like, oh, you're talking about cats.
Art is currently sleeping on my on my chair.
Speaker 1: Well, I think I think if anybody has any uh
more questions, I think kind of close close it up now.
Although we've got to have you guys back. This has
been a hell of a lot of fun and very
interesting and I know you guys are in the middle
of all kinds of great research and so forth. Again,
tell people where they can content, they can read you
about your research.
Speaker 6: Well, you can follow us on Instagram. That's kind of
where we post the most to at Anomalists Midwest. You
can also find us at blue Sky on at Anomalous
Midwest and same with TikTok. We're trying to do more
video content with TikTok and also on YouTube. You can
find our Sasquatch of the Corn lecture on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Right, but not on Facebook.
Speaker 6: No, we don't currently, it's just our profiles on Facebook
individually on our group.
Speaker 1: Is Ladies and any parting questions as we fade out,
I will.
Speaker 2: Look into that other cipher if I can find It's
at a bit of research into that a few years
back when the Hellia thing came up, so thought, I've
read other versions elsewhere, so I'll look into and get
back to you on that because I can't the amount
I can't find information quite a bit, of course. Yeah,
I will look into that well.
Speaker 1: I want to thank everybody for being here. If if
nobody has any other pearls of wisdom to umpart, I
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