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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the fundamental principles I've READO national self

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<v Speaker 1>interest and individual rts. This is the Uran Brook Show.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, everybody, welcome to your one book show on

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<v Speaker 1>this Saturday, August second.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope everybody is having.

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<v Speaker 1>A fantastic weekend. I'm busy packing, you know, traveling tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>to lizb and Portugal. I'll be gone for two months,

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<v Speaker 1>two months. I'll be in uh Portugal, in Italy for

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<v Speaker 1>two months. So busy packing, organizing, getting anything ready, and

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<v Speaker 1>always have time for you guys for for another show.

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought we talked today better topic. I just

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<v Speaker 1>been uh really three days, eight hours talking about at

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<v Speaker 1>the Peterson Academy. I just got back from there a

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<v Speaker 1>few days ago, and uh and and I did a

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<v Speaker 1>whole eight hours on trade. It was it was, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>really cool. You know, you guys should check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>You should go to Peterson Academy. Just use use the

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<v Speaker 1>link that has my name in it. So I get

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<v Speaker 1>credit for you going for me. But uh, what you

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<v Speaker 1>what you'll get there is eight hours on trade and

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<v Speaker 1>tariffs and the history and the economics.

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<v Speaker 2>I spent a whole you know, over an hour on.

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<v Speaker 1>Examples of specialization and division of labor and and compartitive

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<v Speaker 1>advantage and what they all mean and how they all

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<v Speaker 1>work and running through an example. Uh and uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, we go over the history and then

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of tariffs and what they are and how they work.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about milkitialism and neo milk indalism. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, that's what we call Donald Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>his people around him the new milk in the lists

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<v Speaker 1>and and what what that implies and what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we talked about objections to globalization, objections to

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<v Speaker 1>trade and uh and and you know, so we cover

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<v Speaker 1>it a lot a lot of content in eight hours.

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<v Speaker 1>It was great. So if you have a check out

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<v Speaker 1>the Pederston Academy, I will have I think by the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the year five courses on the Pedasent Academy

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<v Speaker 1>Capitalism and Finance are already up there. You know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people are watching those. And then there's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be trade, and there's going to be money, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be the corporation kind of business history

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<v Speaker 1>and uh. Those all I think, I think really good courses,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cool. So yeah, take advantage of it. You

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<v Speaker 1>can You can get an annual You pay one annual

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<v Speaker 1>fee and then you can watch whatever you want. You

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<v Speaker 1>can watch as many courses as you want. So h

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<v Speaker 1>you know those five if I do a few more

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<v Speaker 1>than just just watching my courses, will make worth the

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<v Speaker 1>annual commitment, the annual financial commitment. All right.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so let's talk about trade.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about trade, and to talk about the history

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<v Speaker 1>of trade, I mean, I want to talk about trade

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<v Speaker 1>in America, but the history of trade more broadly, one

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<v Speaker 1>has to understand I think really two things so important

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<v Speaker 1>to here. One is the trade has always been a

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<v Speaker 1>part of human life. Trade goes back to a time

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<v Speaker 1>where we were tribal and tribes traded. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>go back to two thousand BC, you already see quite

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of trade across geography. You know. You you

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<v Speaker 1>even see, you know, stuff coming down from northern Europe

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<v Speaker 1>where there's nothing with a bunch of barbarians h Northern

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<v Speaker 1>Europe trading with uh you know, certain uh Greek cities.

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<v Speaker 1>We're trading with the Egyptians who are trading with the

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<v Speaker 1>Mesopotamiams and uh you know, so certainly by a thousand BC,

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<v Speaker 1>you get you get substantial trade, and of course all

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<v Speaker 1>of them are trading for the East with India, and

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<v Speaker 1>India is trading with China, so indirectly there trading with China.

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<v Speaker 1>And then by the time you get the Greek classical period,

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<v Speaker 1>there's it's even more just explicit. You know, there's trade

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<v Speaker 1>across the Mediterranean all the way to Spain. There's trade

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<v Speaker 1>up some of the European rivers into northern Europe. There's

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<v Speaker 1>trade to India and China and Egypt, and trade robust

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<v Speaker 1>trade is a is a a real part.

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<v Speaker 2>Of human history. You just can't separate the two.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, once the Europeans discovered a way around

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<v Speaker 1>the corner of the Horn of af, once the Age

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<v Speaker 1>of Discovery begins, trade explodes. The Europeans are, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sending lots of ships to Asia to trade Primeallyy to

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<v Speaker 1>India and Indonesia and what are called the Spice Islands.

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<v Speaker 1>And the main thing that Europeans are trading for the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that they want the most spices, Like Europeans are

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly discovering that food has flake, can have flavor that

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<v Speaker 1>they taste. Buds are not limited to a narrow spectrum

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<v Speaker 1>of food stuff. They discover spice and they start importing spices.

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<v Speaker 1>Farm Asia and its spices are some of the most lucrative,

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<v Speaker 1>if not the most lucrative, you know, trading features. So

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<v Speaker 1>spices are coming in and and so there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of trading, and then of course that evolves into ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>into you know, somebody says black peppers, black peck and

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<v Speaker 1>cefron and cinnamon and a variety of different of these

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<v Speaker 1>of these just flavors that Europeans are not experienced. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>you're you know, in spite of tea time in England,

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<v Speaker 1>you have had a discovered teeth in the Chinese, that

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<v Speaker 1>discovered coffee from ultimately from Ethiopia. I mean, all the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that actually tastes really really good comes in through trade, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So trade is blowing up, and then of course with

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<v Speaker 1>the trade routes into Asia and through Africa, the Europeans

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<v Speaker 1>start colonizing. And part of the motivation for colonization, and

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<v Speaker 1>I found this really interesting is the economic ideology of Melcanalism.

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<v Speaker 1>Mercanalism really drives the idea of colonial colonizing.

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<v Speaker 2>So, you know, if we.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about trade as win win, well, why colonize places

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<v Speaker 1>when you can trade with them. Why do you need

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<v Speaker 1>to colonize India, Why do you need to colonize on

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<v Speaker 1>the Asian countries? Why can't you just set up trade

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<v Speaker 1>shops there and trade with them. And here's the problem

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<v Speaker 1>that you view trade as win lose Europe I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Mercanalism is a philosophy. It's an ideology of trade as

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<v Speaker 1>being fundamentally win lose, and that export and thus having

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<v Speaker 1>precious metals flow into your country is a win, and imports,

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<v Speaker 1>importing cotton or textiles or spices for that matter, and

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<v Speaker 1>giving up precious matter for it isn't at loss. So

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<v Speaker 1>the philosophy of moketalism, you know, kind of guides the

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<v Speaker 1>various empires to.

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<v Speaker 2>Set up colonies.

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<v Speaker 1>The colonies are basically there to provide war materials to

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<v Speaker 1>the mother country and to buy finished goods from the

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<v Speaker 1>money mother countries. So they're there to suck up war materials,

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<v Speaker 1>natural resources and to import to themselves, constituting export to

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<v Speaker 1>the mother country of goods. And thus this is perceived

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<v Speaker 1>as this is a this is this is the winning strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what trade is all about. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know, winning is all about. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>winning looks like money flowing in UH and and and

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<v Speaker 1>uh stuff flowing out. The only thing other than money

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<v Speaker 1>coming in UH of natural resources to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>produce the stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, this.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably holds back the West in terms of wealth significantly.

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<v Speaker 1>This attitude of milkanalism, it explains some of what happens

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<v Speaker 1>during colonialism. It explains the whole attitude of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and and and attitude towards the colonies and the attempt

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the kind of trade that happens between England

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<v Speaker 1>and the colonies, or the French and the colonies, Belgian

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<v Speaker 1>the colonies. It explains that the exploitation that does happen

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<v Speaker 1>in these places, because motionalism is a system believed that

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<v Speaker 1>embraces exploitations. This is wind lose, you want to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure the other party loses. And so this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the context of seventeenth and eighteenth century European trade.

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<v Speaker 1>It's robust, but it is all done on a long

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<v Speaker 1>premise which guides trade not to win win maximizing win

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<v Speaker 1>win relationship with guides it towards maximizing the amount of money.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the European nations accumulating gold and silver rather

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<v Speaker 1>than the amount of wealth that they are accumulating. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of lost efficiency, a lot of lost productivity.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's a real sense in which the industry

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<v Speaker 1>revolution happens and it's success in spite of the milk

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<v Speaker 1>and salistic attitudes that so many in you have look

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<v Speaker 1>at the list. Attitudes also involve much more central planning

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<v Speaker 1>that otherwise, and much more goment involvement in everything going around,

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<v Speaker 1>not just trade but production itself. And during this period

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<v Speaker 1>there were a number of thinkers, a number of economists,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm intellectuals is saying, you know this, all this

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<v Speaker 1>is wrong. It just doesn't make any sense. Trade fundamentally

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<v Speaker 1>is win win. You guys are getting it all wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Molcanalism is wrong. But nobody's really listening. None of them

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<v Speaker 1>have kind of the weight. None of them have they

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<v Speaker 1>fleshed out arguments. None of them have the case really

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<v Speaker 1>worked out for free trade and for what free trade

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<v Speaker 1>would entail until Adam Smith. And Adam Smith in the

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<v Speaker 1>sense is a pivotal figure. Annas Smith basically you know,

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<v Speaker 1>argues that mercualism is wrong. He criticizes their obsession with

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<v Speaker 1>trades si pluses, the holding of gold and a A

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<v Speaker 1>Smouth advocates, I mean, this is the wealth of nations

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<v Speaker 1>for free trade, for competition, and really all based on

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of the value of specialization, the value of

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<v Speaker 1>the division of labor. And a Smith sees how if

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<v Speaker 1>British industry specializes in the thing they're good at, and

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<v Speaker 1>in India they specialize in the things they're good at,

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<v Speaker 1>and Indonesia they specializing in the things they're good at,

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<v Speaker 1>and Africa they, you know, whatever country in Africa, individuals

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<v Speaker 1>specialize in the things that they are good at, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they all trade, everybody benefits. He doesn't quite have

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<v Speaker 1>the concept of comparative advantage. That is that is Ricardo

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<v Speaker 1>about forty years later, forty one years later exactly who

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<v Speaker 1>develops that? But I mean the fundamental is division of

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<v Speaker 1>labor and specialization, and therefore the value of trade as

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<v Speaker 1>a consequence of division of labor and specialization, and that

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<v Speaker 1>if trade is win win, you want everybody to specialize,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you want a trade and you want no

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<v Speaker 1>barriers to that trade, because any barrier to trade is

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<v Speaker 1>a barrier of specialization, it's a barrier to division of labor.

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<v Speaker 1>You want every human being on planet Earth to do

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<v Speaker 1>what they're good at. What they have what we call

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<v Speaker 1>it will call a comparative advantage in But you want

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<v Speaker 1>every individual out there to specialize and become an expert

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<v Speaker 1>in what they do and then to trade, and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>is dramatically better off. Specialization not only makes is more efficient,

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<v Speaker 1>but also as you specialize, you become better at what

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<v Speaker 1>you do. You learn a massive learning curve. By specializing,

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<v Speaker 1>you learn the topic, you figure it out, you find

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<v Speaker 1>better ways to do it, and that increases dramatically efficiency.

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<v Speaker 1>And ultimately, mechanization comes from specialization. You see something done,

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<v Speaker 1>you understand how it's done. Now you can start thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about how to I make a machine do it instead,

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<v Speaker 1>and this drives drives economic growth, it drives progress. Now

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<v Speaker 1>at the time Adam Smith is writing, though England politically

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<v Speaker 1>is dominated by the Mercatalists, and they have tariffs, they

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<v Speaker 1>have government granted monopolies. An ansth called the Navigation Act,

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<v Speaker 1>which is very similar to the Jones Act but worse.

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<v Speaker 1>It basically says that if you want to enter a

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<v Speaker 1>British port, you have to be flying a British flag.

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<v Speaker 1>The ship has to be a British ship, only Brits

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<v Speaker 1>can facilitate trade with Britain. In other words, can have

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<v Speaker 1>other navies, other other ships carrying other flags carry goods

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<v Speaker 1>into a British port. Again, you know, kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>monopoly for British shipping. So this is the time of

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<v Speaker 1>really high levels of protectionism and Jurdan and Poleonic wars.

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<v Speaker 1>It only gets worse. So seventeen ninety three to eighteen fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>sufficient emergency. It's not familiar. So they become even more

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<v Speaker 1>of eighteen fifteen. They place a huge tariff on inputed grain.

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<v Speaker 1>are their landowners, who are profiting from artificially high prices

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<v Speaker 1>around the world. And indeed, these laws become kind of

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<v Speaker 2>In England than let's say, later in America.

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<v Speaker 1>Who benefits is very, very very is very clear from

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<v Speaker 1>So the intellectual movement for free trade is growing in

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<v Speaker 1>England from the publication of atimsmus Wealth of Nation. And

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<v Speaker 1>more trade. I mean, the Corn Acts were particularly sensitive

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<v Speaker 1>because they're protecting they're protecting British farmers who are basically

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<v Speaker 1>the landowners, the aristocrats from you know, much more efficient

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<v Speaker 1>producers of food, for example, the Americans and parts of Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>which are producing food a lot cheaper than the than

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<v Speaker 1>the English. And of course this is also a period

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<v Speaker 1>in England, this is industrializing. A lot of people are

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<v Speaker 1>leaving the farm, they're going to the city. Supplying food

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<v Speaker 1>to the cities becomes a major problem and a major issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Food is expensive, People are hungry, people are poor, and

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<v Speaker 1>part of the Russia placed on Parliament to reduce the tarots.

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<v Speaker 1>The indudry Industrial Revolution is turning Britain into the workshop

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<v Speaker 2>And so there's there's now, you know, significant pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>David ricardo Theory of comparative advantage is published in eighteen seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>which provides a powerful economic qussion off of free trade.

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<v Speaker 1>Countries should specialize just like individuals, and trading should be free.

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<v Speaker 1>So in eighteen twenty eight they passed kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>sliding scale for grain duties partial relief because there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>to appease appease the public, so they do this in

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<v Speaker 1>order to appease them. But during the nineteenth thirties you

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<v Speaker 1>Law League, which is led by by politicians slash intellectuals,

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<v Speaker 1>and they gain a lot of strength, a lot of power.

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<v Speaker 1>Within England. They are educating people, educate, educate, educate, just

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<v Speaker 1>like the abolitionist movement in England and in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>The primary focus was on education, and they argued the

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<v Speaker 1>free trade with low prices, reduce poverty, stimulate the industry,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, through economic interdependence bring peace, which mostly

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<v Speaker 1>works but not always. Ultimately eighteen forty six you get

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<v Speaker 1>a serious Irish famine and a and by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>that the people supporting the tariffs, of course, the Conservatives.

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<v Speaker 1>But in eighteen forty six andative Conservative Prime Minister Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Party and the Opposition Party and repeal the corn Laws

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<v Speaker 1>and basically start a half century of unilateral free trade.

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<v Speaker 1>That is, Britain becomes an island of zero tariffs. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't do deals, it doesn't do deals with other countries.

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<v Speaker 1>It just lowes tawifs to zero and trades with anybody

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<v Speaker 1>who's willing to trade with him. It's from eighteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>six on they slowly repeal all the other laws and

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<v Speaker 1>uh in spite of the battle, you know, in spite

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<v Speaker 1>of the opposition by the aristocrats. This is a real

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<v Speaker 1>blow to the aristocrats in England, but it's it's part

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<v Speaker 1>of kind of the the the change that British society,

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<v Speaker 1>British economy is going through as it enters the modern era.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course a lot of economic.

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<v Speaker 1>Nationalists and farmers and but mainly was the aristocrats who

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<v Speaker 1>opposed this, uh, supporting the liberalization with the industrialists and manufacturers,

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<v Speaker 1>the middle class, the new working class who are relatively poor,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're going to benefit from cheaper food prices. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course they once saying corn the corn low is

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<v Speaker 1>is abolished. Cheap food just flows into the UK. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know the United States, So that's exploding,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, food to the UK, as do parts of Europe, Ukraine, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know Russia where there is fertile ground and they

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<v Speaker 1>can they grow food quite cheaply, start imputting food into

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<v Speaker 1>Great Britain. From that point on, Britain phases out all

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<v Speaker 1>the regulations. So in eighteen forty nine they repeal the

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<v Speaker 1>old navigation acts that have required the goods imported into

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<v Speaker 1>Britain or its colonies how to be transported in British ships.

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<v Speaker 1>That is repealed. That is huge for international trade. Eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty four they repealed the Merchant Ship Act of eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty They they established sorry, the Merchant Shipping Act, which

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<v Speaker 1>cleaned up all other remnants of any kind of restrictions

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<v Speaker 1>on trade.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, really.

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<v Speaker 1>Brit becomes unilaterals, zero tariff, no trade restrictions during this period,

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<v Speaker 1>and really that continues.

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<v Speaker 2>And sad World War One.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it is amazing how many good things end

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<v Speaker 1>in World War One, how many bad things instituted just

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<v Speaker 1>before during World War One. World War One is really

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<v Speaker 1>a turning point historically against capitalism away from and I

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<v Speaker 1>Ran talked about there was a different sense of life

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<v Speaker 1>before World War One. There was a different attitude towards living,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was a different attitude towards art, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course towards towards trade and capitalism. World War One was

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<v Speaker 1>a monumentally horrific negative event in human history. It really

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<v Speaker 1>did turn so much of the population against the values

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<v Speaker 1>that against romanticism and arts, and against capitalism and against

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<v Speaker 1>really liberty, and of course it sets up World War One,

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<v Speaker 1>sets up World War two. It destroys benevolences, milelevelence, and

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<v Speaker 1>it destroys individualism, and it basest collectivism and nationalism. The

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<v Speaker 1>nationalist movements really come to the foray in World War

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<v Speaker 1>One and the post World War One and leading up to,

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<v Speaker 1>of course the implosion of World War two. So between

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen forty six and nineteen fourteen, Britain, which is at

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<v Speaker 1>the heart of the industry revolution, Britain that is basically

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<v Speaker 1>as the most important navy in the world, a navy

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated now to free trade. Ran at some point somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>it talks about the fact that British farm Party in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteenth century was basically gunboat diplomacy. Boat diplomacy dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>to opening up the sea lanes for trade, opening up

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<v Speaker 1>ports for trade, making it possible to engage in araide

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<v Speaker 1>Uh And and really if a country resisted trade with

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<v Speaker 1>the British, it's gunships would enter the port, bomb a

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<v Speaker 1>few buildings and the rulers would change their mind and

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<v Speaker 1>start trading with the UK with with the bits. That

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<v Speaker 1>was what gunboat diplomacy was like, and all in the

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<v Speaker 1>name of free trade. It is the only country that

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<v Speaker 1>I know of in history that has been dedicated to

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<v Speaker 1>the principle of free trade. And in that sense it

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<v Speaker 1>was a huge success that that the failure of Britain

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<v Speaker 1>during this period while were it's colonies, it has spent

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<v Speaker 1>so much money on expanding and preserving and defending and exploiting.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess even and its colonies that it ultimately bankrupted Britain,

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<v Speaker 1>the colonies that I mean people today think the colonialism

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<v Speaker 1>is what made capitalism possible. I mean, that's absurd. Actually

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<v Speaker 1>colonialism drained the capitalism in England from resources, and the

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<v Speaker 1>consequence of that are both socialism rose in England and

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<v Speaker 1>of course England abandoned capitalism completely at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>World War One. Right, World War One was a turning

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<v Speaker 1>point for the abandonment of capitalism.

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<v Speaker 2>So that is what's going on in Britain. Unilateral free trade.

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<v Speaker 1>It's what I argue America should become zero tasks, zero

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<v Speaker 1>trade barriers. Bring your good sell them here. You know

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<v Speaker 1>in American businesses compete, compete. That is your mission in

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<v Speaker 1>life to compete with everybody else. Right. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know this is this is also a time.

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<v Speaker 1>In England when the monopoly is have broken apart, that is,

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<v Speaker 1>the government granted monopolies and trade is now not exclusive

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<v Speaker 1>to the East India Company or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Trade is now open to competition.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. And industries industries were always competitive in England, but

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<v Speaker 1>any semblance of central planning and control, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>freest period in British history and some of the freest

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<v Speaker 1>ever in world history is eighteen forty six to nineteen fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>And note that in Britain free trade is more important

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<v Speaker 1>than as we'll see in the US. Why is it

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<v Speaker 1>more important because Britain is small, it's small geographically, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have natural resources, it's relatively small population, it's small.

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<v Speaker 1>So for Britain to do to thrive, it has to

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<v Speaker 1>have trade, it has to have global free trade. The

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<v Speaker 1>United States, in comparison, is huge, filled in the natural

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<v Speaker 1>resources and dramatically growing in population during this period during

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteenth century, and it could sustain itself in some

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<v Speaker 1>ways because it's got so much division of labor and

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<v Speaker 1>specialization happening within and there's so much, relatively speaking, at least,

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<v Speaker 1>so much freedom within the United States that the United

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<v Speaker 1>States from its beginning is far less dependent and reliance

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<v Speaker 1>on trade than the British Islands. Off Britain is an island,

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<v Speaker 1>a small island at that it's not Australia, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a small island that's dependent on trading with

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the world. So the comparative advantage division

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<v Speaker 1>of labor specialization even more important in England, in Britain,

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<v Speaker 1>Great Britain than in a big country like the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the US free trade or really the issue of tariffs,

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<v Speaker 1>idea of taxation, particularly at the founding. I mean, there

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<v Speaker 1>were a lot of voices pre founding for free trade.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and in deep part of the rejection of British

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<v Speaker 1>control and the British monarchy was the rejection of the British.

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<v Speaker 2>Control over trade with the American colony.

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<v Speaker 1>They the Americans didn't see why British was intervening in

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<v Speaker 1>their ability to trade with whoever they wanted to trade.

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<v Speaker 1>So from the beginning, you know, the United States is

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<v Speaker 1>set on a path towards free trade. But they encounter

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<v Speaker 1>the challenge is during the Constitution, they encountered the challenge

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<v Speaker 1>of how do we raise revenue for this new government?

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<v Speaker 1>Where does the revenue come from? H And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a real problem. They for variety of reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>they't want to tax income, partially because it's it's difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to collect, it's difficult to identify income. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>they're posted it philosophically. It's like you're taxing work. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they understood well enough that when you tax something,

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<v Speaker 1>you get less of it. And this was a country

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<v Speaker 1>that where work was admired and respected, and they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't want to tax it. They could have imposed

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<v Speaker 1>a sales tax on consumption. But how do you collect

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<v Speaker 1>the sales tax. It's very difficult to collect the sales

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<v Speaker 1>tax because you now have to be present in a

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<v Speaker 1>sense and every transaction there cause they're no real accounting systems,

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<v Speaker 1>sophisticated accounting systems. It's on computerized obviously. How does the

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<v Speaker 1>government keep track of what's being bought and what's being sold.

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<v Speaker 1>It would take too much of an administrative headache to

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<v Speaker 1>impose something like that. Now, tariffs, input taxes, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what a tariff is an import tax, is relatively simple.

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<v Speaker 1>There are only so many ports or places of entry

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<v Speaker 1>into the country. You put a customer's office in every

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<v Speaker 1>one of those places, and you charge a uniform tariff

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<v Speaker 1>on the goods coming in, and yeah, it reduces it

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<v Speaker 1>reduces sales of those goods, but that's not a tragedy,

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<v Speaker 1>and you gain revenue. And in those days government was

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<v Speaker 1>so small, so small, two and a half percent max

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<v Speaker 1>three and a half percent of GDP. That they could

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<v Speaker 1>raise a big chunk of the revenue from tariffs. The

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<v Speaker 1>rest were excise taxes, like on alcohol and particular goods,

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<v Speaker 1>where again you could control, you know, what was happening

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<v Speaker 1>at the points of engagement, at the points of trade.

427
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<v Speaker 1>You didn't have to create a massive bureaucracy to regulate

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<v Speaker 1>every piece of everything that traded, everything that change stands.

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<v Speaker 1>So the idea at the Constitution, at the writing of

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<v Speaker 1>the Constitution was that they would use tariffs. They would

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<v Speaker 1>use tariffs in order to raise revenue. It was an

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<v Speaker 1>indirect revenue, but it was relatively easy to collect, and

433
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<v Speaker 1>in April April ninth, seventeen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Madison actually introduced the first law.

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<v Speaker 1>To impose tariffs fairly low rate, low rate, because you

436
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:56.079
<v Speaker 1>don't want to hoot, you know, trade too much. They understood,

437
00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:59.920
<v Speaker 1>they had read Amsmith, they understood some of the principles involved.

438
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<v Speaker 1>They didn't have a deep understanding of economics, but they

439
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.640
<v Speaker 1>understood that free trade was a good thing, and they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to resist intervening too much in trade.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, this is not true of Hamilton. Hamilton very much.

442
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<v Speaker 1>Thought that America should be self sufficient that America should

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<v Speaker 1>limit imports, particularly limited imports early in the Republic, so

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<v Speaker 1>that they could build up an industry free of competition

445
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<v Speaker 1>from imports. So Hamilton was definitely a protectionist, and he

446
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<v Speaker 1>also proposed differentiated tariffs are different tariffs on different goods

447
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:43.039
<v Speaker 1>based on the industries that he believed needed to be protected.

448
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:50.720
<v Speaker 1>So Hamilton viewed tariffs as ways to protect industries. Madison

449
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:55.680
<v Speaker 1>viewed tariffs as a way to raise revenue. Both believed

450
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<v Speaker 1>in low tariffs, by the way, so Madison Hamilton did

451
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<v Speaker 1>not are you for very high taists. They both believed

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<v Speaker 1>in low tws. But one of the things that shock

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<v Speaker 1>Madison when he introduced the law is the extent to

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<v Speaker 1>which this became a part of an issue. This became

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<v Speaker 1>splitting political alignment within America and the degree to which

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00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:26.920
<v Speaker 1>people started to advocate for tariffs not as the source

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00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:30.599
<v Speaker 1>of revenue, but as a way to manipulate the economy,

458
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<v Speaker 1>as a way to protect industries, as a way to

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<v Speaker 1>benefit some and who it's others. So this is really

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of what will become the you know, probably

461
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<v Speaker 1>a very contentious issue within American politics during the nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually going to be give give a talk on this,

463
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<v Speaker 2>give a talk on on on.

464
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<v Speaker 1>UH tariffs and the politics of tariffs and what exactly happened,

465
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<v Speaker 1>much more detailed than what I'm doing now. I'm just

466
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<v Speaker 1>giving you kind of an outline. Today. I'm going to

467
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<v Speaker 1>give a talk on this at a at the Florida

468
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<v Speaker 1>Objective's Conference. They're doing another one next year. This will

469
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<v Speaker 1>be the last weekend in January. I think it's January,

470
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:20.280
<v Speaker 1>like thirty first, February first, something like that. I'll be

471
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:23.719
<v Speaker 1>giving a talk on this in more detail and you know,

472
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:27.920
<v Speaker 1>different slightly different material. So yeah, if anybody is interested,

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<v Speaker 1>you should come to Florida. Last year was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fun. It was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it's a it's a very uh you know,

476
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<v Speaker 2>it's a fun confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>You get to see a lot of objectives come, mostly Floridians,

478
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:42.039
<v Speaker 1>but some people flew in from out of the out

479
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.400
<v Speaker 1>of states, from Texas, from northeast and came, and so

480
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:47.599
<v Speaker 1>it was great, great time to meet people and to

481
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:52.119
<v Speaker 1>hang out and good talks, a lot of good speakers,

482
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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, it was even though I was sick part

483
00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:57.480
<v Speaker 1>of it last time. Hope not to be sick this time.

484
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:00.599
<v Speaker 1>It's still was a lot of fun, so encourage you

485
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<v Speaker 1>to come. And this will be kind of the topic

486
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<v Speaker 1>that I talk about. So I'll just say during the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century, there was a constant battle between using very

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<v Speaker 1>low tariffs to raise revenue for the federal government and

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<v Speaker 1>to fund the federal government, and between those who wanted

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00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to use tariffs in order to protect the industries and

491
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:31.239
<v Speaker 1>in order to stop importation. That is, there was definitely

492
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:36.559
<v Speaker 1>a mercantilist attitude in America. They were definitely behind the cove.

493
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<v Speaker 1>They were not at the cutting edge intellectually as the

494
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:44.360
<v Speaker 1>British were on these issues, which is sad because I mean,

495
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:46.639
<v Speaker 1>America was so much on the cutting edge of pretty

496
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:51.360
<v Speaker 1>much everything else, particularly politically and ultimately economically, that this

497
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:55.360
<v Speaker 1>is one issue where they lagged behind the British and

498
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<v Speaker 1>they did not really, ever in all American history, really

499
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<v Speaker 1>embrace the British system of unilado free trade, of zero tariffs,

500
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:09.199
<v Speaker 1>and of just opening up your market and accepting free trade.

501
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:12.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, American this was something that was.

502
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:18.159
<v Speaker 1>Debated heavily in the US, but it became you know,

503
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<v Speaker 1>probably the first issue over which you got the development

504
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:24.320
<v Speaker 1>of pressure groups. We'll talk about that and I'll go

505
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:26.800
<v Speaker 1>through the pressure groups in my talk in Florida. You

506
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:30.480
<v Speaker 1>got the development of pressure groups, and it's the first

507
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:33.719
<v Speaker 1>issue where it was real contentious between them and the

508
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:39.039
<v Speaker 1>politics swaye a post Civil war, the political party that

509
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:45.199
<v Speaker 1>became the pro tariff political party aggressively so was the

510
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Republican Party. The Republican Party was very much a pro

511
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:54.559
<v Speaker 1>tariff political party. The Democrats were the pro free trade

512
00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:58.199
<v Speaker 1>political party. And indeed the Democrats in many respects during

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00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:01.360
<v Speaker 1>the late nineteenth century, in particular where the pro freedom

514
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:05.639
<v Speaker 1>political party po economic freedom political party that other problems,

515
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:10.079
<v Speaker 1>but on economics, Democrats are much better than Republicans. I

516
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:18.360
<v Speaker 1>think the best president of this period is is Grover Cleveland,

517
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:23.400
<v Speaker 1>who has two terms. He has a first term, he

518
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:27.519
<v Speaker 1>loses in the second term. And he is own f

519
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:31.880
<v Speaker 1>vetoying a bunch of bills coming out of Congress, vetoying

520
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:37.760
<v Speaker 1>goum and spending, rejecting regulations, rejecting an income tax, you know,

521
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:40.719
<v Speaker 1>rejecting the growth of the state, and rejecting the growth

522
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:45.119
<v Speaker 1>of the state intervention into the economy. He is an

523
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:49.039
<v Speaker 1>advocate of low tariffs. He is an opponent, a political opponent.

524
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<v Speaker 1>McKinley who Donald Trump praises all the time because of

525
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.679
<v Speaker 1>the McKinley tariffs. McKinley tafts were passed when McKinley was

526
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<v Speaker 1>not president. McKinley was actually Chairman of the House of

527
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Means else something it means, what's something? It means? Anyway,

528
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.599
<v Speaker 1>he was in the House of Representative House Ways and

529
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<v Speaker 1>Means Committee, Ways and Means Committee, and he passed the tariffs,

530
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:18.760
<v Speaker 1>which a huge increase in tariffs in eighteen ninety. Same year,

531
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:21.280
<v Speaker 1>by the way, we got the Anti Trust bill. And

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<v Speaker 1>during the talk in Florida, I'll tell you about the

533
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:32.519
<v Speaker 1>relationship between tariffs and anti trust. Why were they both

534
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:37.000
<v Speaker 1>passed at the same time. What's the relationship? And again

535
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:42.519
<v Speaker 1>the politics are super interesting, super interesting. It was a

536
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:46.079
<v Speaker 1>third thing that happened during that same time, which was

537
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:51.360
<v Speaker 1>the negation of There was a big push by populists

538
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:58.639
<v Speaker 1>to make silver a part of the silver money in

539
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:03.760
<v Speaker 1>the United States, which would inflated the economy significantly, raised prices,

540
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:06.199
<v Speaker 1>would have increased the amount of money in the economy

541
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<v Speaker 1>because it wouldn't just be gold, it would be silver

542
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:12.039
<v Speaker 1>as well. And there was a reinformation in eighteen ninety

543
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<v Speaker 1>that no the United States would stay on an exclusively

544
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<v Speaker 1>gold standard, which it had been, which had been on

545
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<v Speaker 1>since the Great Depression, so or since after the Great

546
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<v Speaker 1>Depression eighteen seventy four, I think Great Depression. Would the

547
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<v Speaker 1>Great Depression come from? I don't know, since the Civil War,

548
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:31.760
<v Speaker 1>but it was after the Wars eighteen seventy four when

549
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:33.519
<v Speaker 1>the United States went back on the gold stand and

550
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:38.119
<v Speaker 1>stayed on the gold stand until nominally until eighteen thirty three,

551
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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty three. God, I miss speaking, So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>panic on, no panic. Grover Cleveland was probably the best,

553
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<v Speaker 1>one of the best president maybe economically the best president

554
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<v Speaker 1>in American history. So, and he was a Democrat, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So throughout the nineteenth century, the United States had pretty

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<v Speaker 1>high tariffs. They raised them and then they'd lower them,

557
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:11.719
<v Speaker 1>and then they'd raise them, and then they'd lower them

558
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.280
<v Speaker 1>because once they raised them there would be negative consequences,

559
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:19.840
<v Speaker 1>and the intellectual argument against them was was really strong.

560
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<v Speaker 1>So it was always you know, there was a period,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a period in which they passed tariffs in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen twenty four, called the Tariffs of Abomination because they

563
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:35.840
<v Speaker 1>were so hated over sixty percent. It actually led to

564
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:39.880
<v Speaker 1>constitutional crisis, and they were lowered, and then they were

565
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.639
<v Speaker 1>raised again in eighteen forty two, and then they were

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<v Speaker 1>lowered in eighteen forty six, so about the same time

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<v Speaker 1>as that corn acts are appealed, and you actually had

568
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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years of relative free trade until after the Civil

569
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:58.760
<v Speaker 1>War you get tariffs again, and then even higher tariffs

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<v Speaker 1>with the McKinley tariffs of it eighteen ninety. And then

571
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<v Speaker 1>once McKinley becomes president, he doesn't like the tariffs he

572
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:13.679
<v Speaker 1>put in place, and he starts lowering tariffs. He starts

573
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:20.280
<v Speaker 1>cutting deals with other countries, and so tariffs are lowered,

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00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:24.679
<v Speaker 1>although they stay fairly high until nineteen thirteen, and then

575
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:28.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, around the First World War, they are lowered.

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<v Speaker 1>In particular, they're lowered because what happens in nineteen thirteen, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen thirteen income tax. The Constitution is amended to

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<v Speaker 1>allow an income tax. And when an income tax provides

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00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:56.280
<v Speaker 1>is revenue. And now the revenue excuse justification for tariffs

580
00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:59.719
<v Speaker 1>is gone. You can fund the government with income tax.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, do you guys know how hi the

582
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:06.760
<v Speaker 1>income text was when it was first passed. So in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirteen, the first income tax law passes.

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<v Speaker 2>And it is seven percent, seven percent.

585
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<v Speaker 1>But the only people who pay seven percent, the only

586
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<v Speaker 1>people who pay taxes income taxes, are people making over

587
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<v Speaker 1>five hundred thousand dollars a year, which in today's money

588
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:32.800
<v Speaker 1>is thirteen million dollars. So think about that. Only people

589
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:36.320
<v Speaker 1>making over thirteen million dollars are taxed, a tiny fraction

590
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.840
<v Speaker 1>of the population, and they were only taxed at seven percent,

591
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:45.440
<v Speaker 1>And indeed, is part of passing this income tax law.

592
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<v Speaker 1>Politicians keep telling people, Oh, no, it's it's it's we're

593
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<v Speaker 1>not going to increase it beyond this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is as high as it's going to go.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't need that much revenue, and don't worry, most

596
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:06.039
<v Speaker 1>people will never be taxed within five years. Nineteen eighteen,

597
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<v Speaker 1>the US has entered World War One. The top right

598
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<v Speaker 1>is seventy seven percent, and pretty much everybody in the

599
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:19.880
<v Speaker 1>country is paying outcome Texas more people paid in come

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<v Speaker 1>text back then than pay today. And again top rate

601
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:27.719
<v Speaker 1>is seventy seven percent. It's lowered after the war after

602
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.239
<v Speaker 1>eighteen nineteen to fifth, but it's still over fifty percent.

603
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<v Speaker 1>So so much for the promises of politicians. Right just

604
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<v Speaker 1>to remind you to use the super chat to ask questions,

605
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<v Speaker 1>you can ask questions about anything, but anything I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>a complete list. I'll just say, you know, in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two, high tariffs were reinstituted. I mean, there are

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<v Speaker 1>two things in which Calvin co who's often cited as

609
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<v Speaker 1>one of people's favorite presidents, two things that coplic Coolige

610
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:12.280
<v Speaker 1>did that very anti freedom and very bad and you know,

611
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:17.519
<v Speaker 1>taint his reputation as a free marketer. One was reinstating

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00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:21.320
<v Speaker 1>high tariffs in nineteen twenty two with the idea of

613
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:29.440
<v Speaker 1>stimulating the economy, which was pretty stupid. Now, the economy

614
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:32.719
<v Speaker 1>was strong, but that was in spite of taris. The

615
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:34.800
<v Speaker 1>same thing happened in the late nineteenth century. Economy was

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<v Speaker 1>strong in spite of the tariffs. Study after study after

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<v Speaker 1>study shows that it wasn't the industries protected by tarifs

618
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<v Speaker 1>that did well. It was other industries they.

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<v Speaker 2>Weren't protected by taos they did the best.

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<v Speaker 1>And the second thing he did was, of course, signed

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen twenty four anti immigration law, which basically stopped

622
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<v Speaker 1>immigration for much of Europe and much of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just devastating for the US. It was devastating

624
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<v Speaker 1>for potential immigrants who could have fled Europe before World

625
00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:18.559
<v Speaker 1>War Two and got stuck in Europe. Jewish immigration plummeted,

626
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:26.559
<v Speaker 1>Eastern European immigration plummeted. And those are two the cooliages

627
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:33.320
<v Speaker 1>did that are not market friendly, freedom friendly. And then,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, in nineteen thirty smooth Holly under the Who administration.

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<v Speaker 1>Note that both Coolidge and Hoover Republicans under the Hoover

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<v Speaker 1>administration raised House significantly, and while they didn't cause the

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<v Speaker 1>Great Depression, clearly made the Great Depression worse. Clearly contributed

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<v Speaker 1>because they launched the trade war, which had not just

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<v Speaker 1>the United States but many other countries and made the

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<v Speaker 1>Great Depression globally much worse phenomena than it needed to be.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the interesting facts is that smooth Holly has

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<v Speaker 1>never been repealed. Smooth Holly is still being in place.

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<v Speaker 1>The way they get around smooth Holly is that in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty four, Congress passed something called the Reciprocal Trade

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<v Speaker 1>Agreement Act of nineteen thirty four. And what that act did,

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<v Speaker 1>this is under Democrat and a Secretary of State who

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<v Speaker 1>was very very pro trade, what they did was they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't repeal Smooth Holly. So what instead they did is

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<v Speaker 1>they made it possible for the executive branch to negotiate

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<v Speaker 1>reciprocal trade deals with other countries, bilateral trade agreements, and

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<v Speaker 1>that Congress would fast track their ratification and only require

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<v Speaker 1>a simple majority vote for ratifying trade deals. And it

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<v Speaker 1>placed much more of the responsibility for tariffs on the

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<v Speaker 1>executive PIMLI with the idea that the executive would then

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<v Speaker 1>go and cut deals. The executive, the assumption is, has

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<v Speaker 1>the perspective of the good for the entire nation, whereas

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<v Speaker 1>Congress is rife with fighting between different pressure groups who

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<v Speaker 1>want different tariffs on different industries in different places, different times,

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore never actually work towards freedom, whereas the president could.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's backfired on us a little bit with Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was the intention. So the lowering of tariffs

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<v Speaker 1>since nineteen thirty four, really until nineteen six, twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>with Donald Trump, the lowering of tariff has all happened

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<v Speaker 1>in a reciprocal trade, you know, whether it's by lateral

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<v Speaker 1>or multilateral deals that then Congress approves, and you got

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<v Speaker 1>that through GATS and through the Trade Organization, all facilitating

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<v Speaker 1>this reduction. Uh, this reduction in tariffs again until Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>so smooth holly technically still on the books, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just the rates that have changed visa very particular countries

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<v Speaker 1>in particular trade agreements. All right. Uh, So that's a

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<v Speaker 1>quick history of kind of trade tariffs of the United

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<v Speaker 1>States and Britain. Uh and uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The bottom line is that the United States has never

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<v Speaker 2>really had until.

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<v Speaker 1>Never really had. To put it this way, the States

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<v Speaker 1>has never really had a free trade regime. It's never

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<v Speaker 1>had it's and it's never been committed to real free

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<v Speaker 1>trade and whatever commitment it's you know, the commitment of

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<v Speaker 1>free trade historically has been that of the Democratic Party,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly in the post Civil War era, and it has

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<v Speaker 1>been that of but even in the pre Civil War

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<v Speaker 1>actually and and has been.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, bipartisan in the post World War two era,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Never manifested itself in actually lowering tariffs to zero and

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<v Speaker 1>eliminating trade barriers.

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<v Speaker 2>We have tons of trade barriers today, and we have tariffs.

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<v Speaker 1>They're very low by historical standards, very low again until Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was a bipartisan.

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<v Speaker 1>Commitment after World War Two to lower them as far

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<v Speaker 1>as far as you could. But United States has never

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<v Speaker 1>been at the forefront of real free trade, which is sad,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, except again after World War Two, and even

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<v Speaker 1>then it was more.

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<v Speaker 2>Managed trade than really free trade.

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<v Speaker 1>The one great era of free trade was in Britain

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<v Speaker 1>from eighteen forty six to nineteen thirteen, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>and you got free trade in Hong Kong and Singapore.

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<v Speaker 1>To this day, particularly Singapore, you've got no trade barriers

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<v Speaker 1>and no tariffs. So wherever to be tried, it is

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<v Speaker 1>a huge success. But the reality is that tariffs, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>in America, don't play a big enough trade doesn't play

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<v Speaker 1>international trade, doesn't play.

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<v Speaker 2>Big enough role in the economy to actually.

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<v Speaker 1>To actually stop real you know success, domestic success, given

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<v Speaker 1>all the other factors that go into economic growth.

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<v Speaker 2>So the United States who significantly in the nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 1>In spite of tariffs. The United States grew, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>significantly after World War Two in spite of tariffs because

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<v Speaker 1>of other factors, because of the size of the United

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<v Speaker 1>States and because of the resources of the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Has But tafts have been understood intellectually from an economics perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>not political perspective. Economic perspective, tas have been understood clearly

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<v Speaker 1>to be bad economically, bad economics since the time of

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Smith. Really no real economists is questioned the free

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<v Speaker 1>trade idea, and the idea including unilateral free trade, unilateral

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<v Speaker 1>zero tariffs, which is what Britain implemented. That idea has

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<v Speaker 1>not really been challenged by economists at all. All right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, just imagine how rich a we would be.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine how richer we would be if we didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>tais during the nineteenth century, or at least if we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have tais beyond the minimal tasks required for revenue,

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<v Speaker 1>and if we'd embraced free trade in the post World

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<v Speaker 1>War two period completely unilaterally, unequivocally. I mean, there were

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things like that. Imagine if we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have regulations, right, I mean, there was already business regulation

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteenth century. There was a lot of business regulation

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<v Speaker 1>during the twentieth century post World War Two, and we

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<v Speaker 1>became the number one economy in spite of all of

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<v Speaker 1>that too. So does that mean the regulations are Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>We had horrible tax regimes like income of text to

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven percent and the year's economy still grew. Does

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<v Speaker 1>that mean that those taxi teams didn't hurt the year's

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<v Speaker 1>economy growing? You have to be able to control those

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<v Speaker 1>for those factors and realize that even a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of freedom goes a long way. You can see that

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<v Speaker 1>in China. China got a little bit of freedom, a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of economic freedom in the post nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>eight period and it grew a lot that I mean

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<v Speaker 1>once one should view that as well. Imagine how much

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<v Speaker 1>more they would have grown if they had complete freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's true of the United States in

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<v Speaker 1>spades even more so. All right, we're approaching the end

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing. Now what's just accessible at your fingertips. Let's see,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't eat spices when you eat beef, yes, you do.

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<v Speaker 1>Beef is so much more delicious when it's got like

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<v Speaker 1>pretty It is pretty amazing how much better the beef becomes.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I mean, you don't know what good food

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<v Speaker 1>is if you think just a plain slab of meat

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<v Speaker 1>is good enough. Yeah, it's good enough, but it's also

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<v Speaker 1>boring and bland as compared to what it could be,

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<v Speaker 1>what it could be, So yeah, go find a good

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<v Speaker 1>chef who really knows how to cook a steak and

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<v Speaker 1>knows what to put on it, knows what spices and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff to put on it. And anyway, making something spicy

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<v Speaker 1>is always going to improve the flavor no matter what

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<v Speaker 1>the food is. And what the spices do is they

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<v Speaker 1>bring out the flavor of the beef so much better.

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<v Speaker 1>And certainly a steak needs salt, a little bit of salt.

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<v Speaker 1>rub it is so good. And what it does is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times by coating it with certain spices

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<v Speaker 1>you get the juices captured. It captures the juice is

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<v Speaker 1>much better and it just adds fantastic to the flavor

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<v Speaker 1>of the beef.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Not not sure why.

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<v Speaker 1>did I want to say? Yeah, I wanted to thank

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<v Speaker 1>for the sticker. Nature Observer, thank you. Let's see who else?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I saw Jonathan honing you always is Day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's Jonathan and Donna. Thank you guys, Thanks everybody for

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<v Speaker 2>If everybody right now just did a couple of bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>We'd be in great shape. So consider doing something before

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the show. We don't have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of questions. We have a few, don't have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of questions to the show might be showed today. You

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<v Speaker 1>get to term of the length of the show. You

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<v Speaker 1>get to determine the content of the show because you

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<v Speaker 1>ask questions and I answer all right now, do you

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<v Speaker 1>have a y AGORITHM The greatest prison people live in

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<v Speaker 1>is the fear of what other people think. Yeah. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it is a form of a prison. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a form of a cognitive psychological prison, and it makes

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<v Speaker 1>it very difficult for people to take risks and to

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<v Speaker 1>express themselves and to really manifest themselves. Yeah, it's sad

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<v Speaker 1>that people care as much as they do about what

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<v Speaker 1>other people think of them and think of their ideas. Andrew,

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<v Speaker 1>you gave a great answer on motivation by love yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>Many do achieve material success or prestige based on negative motivation.

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<v Speaker 1>But to objectivism, moral success is happiness, and for that

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<v Speaker 1>one needs motivation by love. Yeah. Absolutely. And look, I

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<v Speaker 1>think if you watch successful individuals in any field, you

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<v Speaker 1>can differentiate the ones that were motivated by fear and

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that were motivated by love, by just their attitude,

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<v Speaker 1>how how much joy they get out of what they do.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, take somebody like Steve Jobs and comparing to

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<v Speaker 1>other you know, others who are being successful, and he

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<v Speaker 1>exuded a.

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<v Speaker 2>Sense of joy and a sense of pride and a

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<v Speaker 2>sense of achievement.

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<v Speaker 1>And it comes from the fact that you knew that

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<v Speaker 1>the products of Steve Jobs developed and put out there

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<v Speaker 1>were based on his values that were based on what

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<v Speaker 1>he loved to do, that this was something he cherished,

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<v Speaker 1>he loved, he embraced. He was completely motivated by love.

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<v Speaker 1>And you could tell. And I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the billion is, to their credit, people who are motivated

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<v Speaker 1>by love. They work unbelievably hard. They you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>they and they love the products that they build, and

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<v Speaker 1>they and they love the businesses that they build, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's a positive motivation.

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<v Speaker 2>And most of them, look, most of them do not

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<v Speaker 2>have you know, most of them are a middle class.

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<v Speaker 1>They maybe didn't have hard childhood, so it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>they had something to fear. And if you look at

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Gates and look at Jeff Bezos, and you look

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<v Speaker 1>at these guys, there's not a sense of what drives

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<v Speaker 1>them is fear. You really do get a sense of

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<v Speaker 1>what drives them is values ultimately love. It's part of

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<v Speaker 1>what I admire about about them. Thought criminal ten British

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<v Speaker 1>pounds stoling. Thank you. I really appreciate the support. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course the pounds. Sterling was the global currency, global money,

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<v Speaker 1>the reserve currency of the world in the pre World

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<v Speaker 1>War One era. That of course shifted to the dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>By the end of World War Two, the dollar was

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<v Speaker 1>a reserve currency of the world. James, If Trump actually

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<v Speaker 1>loses his mind and orders those nuclear submarines to launch,

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<v Speaker 1>what does generals and people around Trump stop him? Could

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<v Speaker 1>humanity end over the whims of a narcissistic manchild with

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<v Speaker 1>too much power? Yeah, it could, you know. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know who would stop him. I assume they would, because

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<v Speaker 1>as crazy as jd Vance and some of the others

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<v Speaker 1>Hegseth and some of the others are around Trump, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that that crazy, and I think somebody would

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<v Speaker 1>try to stop him and would make a real effort.

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<v Speaker 1>But my real wary is that this is the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of a slippy slope of fatat of soda rattling that

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<v Speaker 1>might not lead to warn the short run, but it

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<v Speaker 1>just create an environment of war that is very very

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous and very very difficult to get out of. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there are ways to deal with Russia. I've articulated. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of them do not involve a nuclear threat. All you

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<v Speaker 1>have to do is I'd shut down the embassy in Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>I bring my in bess at home. I would, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>massively arm the Ukrainians, and I would tell Russia that

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<v Speaker 1>you know for now the United States is completely committed

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<v Speaker 1>to Article five of NATO and will participate if he

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<v Speaker 1>invades a NATO country. And that's it. That's all you

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<v Speaker 1>have to do. We don't have to play tit for

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<v Speaker 1>tat on Twitter. You don't have to comment on anyvy

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<v Speaker 1>stupid thing, Madvedev says. Just cut off diplomatic relations, reconfirm

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<v Speaker 1>your dedication to Article five of NATO, and armed the

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<v Speaker 1>Ukrainians the teeth. And just if you arm the Ukrainians

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<v Speaker 1>to the teeth, you'll achieve much of what you need

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<v Speaker 1>to achieve. There's no point in this again, saber rattling.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you want to talk about war, I'll show you war.

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<v Speaker 1>Very dangerous, very dangerous, Andrew. Some resent the optionality of trade.

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<v Speaker 1>The Brital self esteem can handle and know they want

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<v Speaker 1>to force values on others, but trade and force the opposites.

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<v Speaker 1>The antagonism to trade is a sign of fertility and fear.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's right, but it's more than that. They

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<v Speaker 1>also want They're afraid of trade, they're afraid of competition,

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<v Speaker 1>they're afraid of the other, and they really do view

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<v Speaker 1>the world as zero sum. So if the other side

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<v Speaker 1>is gaining by getting our dollars, we might be losing.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Trump's view, and that induces fear.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, It's all based on fear and induced by fear,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of it is driven, indeed by a

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<v Speaker 1>zero sum mentality, which I think is broader than just trade,

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<v Speaker 1>a zero some mentality.

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<v Speaker 2>The mentality of everything in life is win a lose,

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<v Speaker 2>and and.

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<v Speaker 1>Other people are threat to me because other people, if

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<v Speaker 1>they win, then I lose. And so the only way

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<v Speaker 1>I can get ahead is by winning, which is exploiting

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<v Speaker 1>other people causing them to lose.

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<v Speaker 2>And it just creates a horrible environment in which to live.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think at the root of a life, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of this stuff on trade and fear of competition

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<v Speaker 1>and fear of the other is a zero some mentality,

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<v Speaker 1>a zero some mentality, and it's very hard to get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of that kind of mentality because it's so psychological

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<v Speaker 1>embedded in them. And of course the galaxyianism supports that,

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<v Speaker 1>Egalitarianism encourages that. So the left is very much encouraging

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<v Speaker 1>and supporting of a zero sum view. What's sad is

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<v Speaker 1>to see the extent of which it's universal now. The

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<v Speaker 1>right is embraced it just as much as the left,

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<v Speaker 1>even detached from the galiarianism the left. All right, let

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<v Speaker 1>me just remind you again, value for value. You're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to show. We've got almost one hundred people listening and

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and sixty people on Twitter, and you get

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<v Speaker 1>the show. Where's the trade? We're talking about trade. Where's

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<v Speaker 1>the win win trade? So the one way to exert

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<v Speaker 1>a win win trade is to come onto the super

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<v Speaker 1>chat and make a small contribution, ask a question or

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<v Speaker 1>just do a sticker with a contribution, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>do that for on your phone. You can do that

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<v Speaker 1>on the computer. It's pretty easy to do. Just press

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<v Speaker 1>that dollar sign underneath it and you can get it

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<v Speaker 1>all rolling. Of course, if you don't want to get

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<v Speaker 1>involved here, you can go to Patreon, or you can

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<v Speaker 1>go to a PayPal. Patreon I think is easy for

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<v Speaker 1>easier for everybody, and you can set up a monthly

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<v Speaker 1>contribution for the one book show show funded completely by you. Guys,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't exist without you, and of course you gain value

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<v Speaker 1>from it. Value for value trade, that's what it's all about,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. Dan says, Ran might have not given us

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<v Speaker 1>the answer with objectivism. But today it is clear, however,

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<v Speaker 1>how evil altruism is. And she was spot on, and well,

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<v Speaker 1>I happen to think that grand did give us an

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<v Speaker 1>answer with objectivism to pretty much most of our burning questions,

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<v Speaker 1>most of the big issues in philosophy. Iron ran as

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<v Speaker 1>sould with objectivism. And it's not surprising at all that

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<v Speaker 1>you can now recognize the evil of altruism. She couldn't have.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, part of that is because what she built

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<v Speaker 1>was a uniform it was a systematic, integrated philosophy. And

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that she was writing on altruism suggests he's

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<v Speaker 1>writing on other things egoism, for example, capitalism, reason as

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<v Speaker 1>man's basic means of survival. All of that is implied

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<v Speaker 1>by her being right on altruism. So I think, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you need to think rethink your view of rand there. Whops,

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<v Speaker 1>what am I doing? All right? Liam? From what legal

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<v Speaker 1>experts of you have told me, it is likely the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court throws these teriffs out.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a good chance that that indeed happens.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it does look like the I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean again, the Court of the Court of International Trade

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<v Speaker 1>has already thrown them out. The Pellet Court that heard

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<v Speaker 1>arguments on Thursday seem pretty skeptical of the mart of

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<v Speaker 1>the government's arguments. They might throw it out, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think the Supreme Court will do the same thing. I

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<v Speaker 1>think what Trump is doing is a real reach. And

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<v Speaker 1>given that this court is concerned about division of power,

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about, for example, regulatory agencies doing things that are

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<v Speaker 1>not in the law, and therefore have done away with

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<v Speaker 1>Chevron and may basically change the way we view regulations,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be in consistent of the Court not to

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<v Speaker 1>say things about the same thing about the executive You know, basically,

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<v Speaker 1>the law Trump is using does not give him the authority.

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<v Speaker 2>To use tariffs, even.

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<v Speaker 1>If he believes there's any economic emergency, and that the

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<v Speaker 1>Constitution is quite clear that tariffs are the purview of Congress.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, I think there's a really good chance.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to take some time. It's just going to

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<v Speaker 2>take some time.

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<v Speaker 1>Liam says, if interstates come down and the tariffs are

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<v Speaker 1>abolished and AI innovation accelerates, could we have another decade

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<v Speaker 1>like the nineties. Yeah, easily, easily even I mean, depending

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<v Speaker 1>on how big of a DLAI is, maybe even better

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<v Speaker 1>than the nineties, But absolutely you abolish the tariffs, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they abolished by by the now. Note the Beame Court

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<v Speaker 1>will only abolish the tariffs that are that are that

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<v Speaker 1>are being put in place using that one particular law.

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<v Speaker 1>The tariffs that are put in place based on national security,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, will not be covered under that lawsuit. So

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<v Speaker 1>steel tariffs, aluminum tabs, car tariffs, a bunch of other

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<v Speaker 1>taps will not be covered. But these reciprocal tabs, those

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<v Speaker 1>are the ones be thrown out. But if that is abolished,

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<v Speaker 1>and if interest rates I think will come down. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>even if interstates don't come down, I think just tariff

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<v Speaker 1>going away, an AI innovation accelerating. You got a golden

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<v Speaker 1>era in front of you. Frank, what is free trade zone?

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<v Speaker 1>Some tell me it's being able to pollute the air,

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<v Speaker 1>dump in the water, making.

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<v Speaker 2>Off of products, no building codes. What's true?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess it depends on the exact regulation

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<v Speaker 1>in the exact place where the free trade zone exists.

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<v Speaker 1>But free trade zones are basically areas in which companies

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<v Speaker 1>can produce and they everything they import is not tariffed.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's an area in which you can bring in

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<v Speaker 1>raw materials and other things and not had a tariff. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no guarantee that when you sell it other countries

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<v Speaker 1>won't impost tariff on it. But it is a unilateral

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<v Speaker 1>free trade zone, so anything coming in is tariff free.

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<v Speaker 1>And you see that all over the world. You see

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<v Speaker 1>Manaos in Brazil has a free trade zone. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>city in the middle of the Amazon. It's almost impossible

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<v Speaker 1>to get to this city. And they have massive industry there.

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<v Speaker 1>And that massive industry there because the only place in

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<v Speaker 1>Brazil that has a free trade zone, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of capital came in and they built auto companies,

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<v Speaker 1>built manufacturing plants and everything else. And the cars coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of there really cheap because there are no towers

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<v Speaker 1>placed on them. Within Brazil, oh, no tabs were placed

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<v Speaker 1>on the stuff coming in to make the cars. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a relatively cheap place to live. It always

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<v Speaker 1>was because it's no the Amazon, but it's it's very

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<v Speaker 1>inefficient if you want to if you do trade zone,

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<v Speaker 1>free trade zone, you want to do it like next

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<v Speaker 1>to a major port. Now, it's true that in some

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<v Speaker 1>places because because of the local regulations, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>less pollution regulation and there's a lot less building regulation.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's good. We're against regulations. So you get an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to build cheaply, and you build and to provide

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<v Speaker 1>people with jobs and to create wealth for the local

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<v Speaker 1>economy and and and uh yeah, and and create industry

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<v Speaker 1>where there wasn't any industy before. And it's a win win, win,

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<v Speaker 1>win win for everybody. And yeah, you know, nobody has

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<v Speaker 1>ever industrialized, any country ever industrialized anywhere in the world

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<v Speaker 1>without polluting. Pollution is a minor cost of getting rich

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<v Speaker 1>through industrialization, and there's no other way to get rich. Frank,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that scene in Dirty Dancing when Bully

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<v Speaker 1>praises the fountain head hurt the objective's movement? Also, was

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Lawton the best film actor ever? No, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it hurts. I think anytime you get a mention

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<v Speaker 1>of one of her books in a major media platform,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a win. Some people are going to be curious,

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01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:56.439
<v Speaker 1>they will go and check it out and and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>by it, and that's a win. So few publicity is

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<v Speaker 1>always a win. Is Charles Lawton the best actor ever?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he's definitely one of the greats. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not in a position to say he's the greatest of

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<v Speaker 1>all time. But Charles Lawton certainly is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>great actors of all time, no question about that. Jeffrey,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for the sticker.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey got us close up.

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<v Speaker 1>We still didn't make the goal, so we're like forty

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<v Speaker 1>six bucks showed. Anyway, we'll out of questions. So unless

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<v Speaker 1>somebody quickly asked the question, this is it. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure if we'll do a show tomorrow. It depends how

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<v Speaker 1>packing goes, how much time I have. But if not,

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<v Speaker 1>then probably a show on Tuesday. In Tuesday, in afternoon

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<v Speaker 1>East Coast time. What's the exact time. But I'm getting

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<v Speaker 1>my office set up on Tuesday in Lisbon and hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be able to do a show out of Dare

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<v Speaker 1>on Tuesday. So maybe tomorrow. Definitely a show on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a fantastic weekend. Don't forget a sign up on

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon to become a supporter of the show, and I

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<v Speaker 1>will see you all. If not tomorrow, then next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye everybody.
