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Speaker 1: AP, you're coming up. You're right behind it too. We
got action.
Speaker 2: Jackson Jackson Payne JP brother, that's crazy to say you're
gonna have four BYU grads right now on this show talking.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I use a powerhouse academic unit right like
they pump people out and uh, we.
Speaker 4: Got to enter to learn and go forth to serve.
So now we're serving the world some hot takes on
the radio right absolutely.
Speaker 1: I know what I thought about that when I was flinning,
I was like, wait, I didn't plant. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't even think about planets like Andrew kind of
graduate apro It's like bread and myself Jackson have already graduate.
Speaker 1: Said wait. I was like, I was like, we got
a team.
Speaker 2: We just need to, you know, get Carter in Chase
and get Chases our big man, and we're good.
Speaker 1: We can go. We got a little six man rotation
right there. We can go go hoop it out.
Speaker 4: Hey, we already got the MVP of Media Madness and
Ronald the three man Weavers. So we're all right, we're
gonna be We're a unit right here. We got that
six man rotation. We're looking good.
Speaker 1: Look, I've changed my ways.
Speaker 2: I bark at people a little bit more now, So
as long as I don't try to injure people like
Pat Beav shout out to the honorary jazz member for
like two hours, I guess or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: Look, I'll be the enforcer.
Speaker 2: I don't mind getting in faces, you know, being the
loud mouth and netwgard and let Chase you know, dominate
and be the MVP.
Speaker 1: That hype man.
Speaker 2: You can't teach that grateful he didn't compete because he'd
have swatted me every.
Speaker 1: Single play Brochase like six four six five up there. Man,
he's a tall kid. Love that kid. Miss him too, JP.
Let's get right into it.
Speaker 2: Eight no first time that be well, I think fifth
or sixth time in program history Balie was gone eight
to no. First time that they go on back to
back under Klanie Sataki. What does this say about the
you know, the love and learn culture, because I believe
right now it's at all time high.
Speaker 3: Well, I think what it says about it is that
it's working right Like you you hear about all these
different job openings and people throwing Kilanie's name out there
for places like UCLA and uh probably LSU.
Speaker 4: He'll be on the list just of what media puts
out there.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, it's like, that's never gonna
that's never gonna work at other schools. I mean, maybe
it will, but just what he has at BYU, this
is the perfect environment. This is the perfect location for
his style of coaching and his culture and the love
and learn philosophy so to flourish here.
Speaker 4: And and so it's like, you know.
Speaker 3: He's Colonie's got something really really special going on right here,
and he's working with some great people.
Speaker 4: Jay Hill is doing great.
Speaker 3: Aaron Roderick to be eight to zero with a true
freshman quarterback, I mean, just take a bow. He gets
a lot of flak from fans, and you know, the
play calling isn't perfect at times, but you can't deny
his ability to develop quarterbacks and put them in the
best positions to succeed. And Kelly Pepinga the special teams
is awesome. I mean, just everything that, everything that he's
done over the past decade at BYU has built up
to a year like this, and like last year and
the twenty twenty COVID season with Zach Wilson and kind
of By's bursting on the national scene, albeit with kind
of a unique schedule, and then the next year they
go a defeated against the Pac Twelve. All these things
have built up for BYU to be in the thick
of the college football playoff discussion, to be in the
Big Twelve title chase, and it's it's exciting because it's
kind of a transition time for the Big Twelve. They
added a lot of new brands over the past few years.
It's a very parody driven conference. There's a lot of
diversity in terms of competition and teams.
Speaker 4: It's just kind of in anything can happen league.
Speaker 3: But you know, BYU's is kind of embracing its role
in the Big twelve and is stepping out as probably
one of the bigger brands, if not the biggest brand
in the Big twelve. You look at they're the only
team in the country to have top ten football and
basketball team. That's that's insane. I mean, that's we talk
about by US and everything school. BYU is the crown
jewel of the Big twelve along with Texas Tech, and
so it's been really fun to see and everything Colonie's done,
every every shortcoming, every achievement, everything that he's built has
been building up to have a program like this, and
it's really fun.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you you mentioned I just want to go back
to where you mentioned Aaron Roderick there and I just
want to put something in perspective here, Like BYU's offense
has three new offensive line starters this year, two new
wide receiver starters this year, less depth at they're running back,
a new tight end, and a new quarterback that they
got two months before the season or somewhere around there.
Can you just talk about the job that Aaron Roderick
has done with this offense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been nomenal. I mean's we've talked about.
Speaker 3: He's a great quarterback whisper. You look at all the
success that Bui's had at the quarterback position.
Speaker 4: I think the.
Speaker 3: Word of the street is that he took over play calling. Dude,
he's midway through the twenty nineteen season. So if you
just start twenty twenty and on, Zach Wilson was awesome
in twenty twenty, Baylor Romney and Jaren Hall were outstanding
in twenty one, Jaren was great in twenty two.
Speaker 4: Keenan Slovas you know, I'll.
Speaker 3: Defend that guy until the day I die, And he
had his moments of brilliance, But the big twelve open season,
like the first season the Big Twelve, there's a lot
of factors working against him and against BYU, but whatever,
ritz Lft was great last year. And then Bear Bachmeyer,
I mean, this is just what Roderick does. He understands quarterbacks.
He puts them in positions to succeed. The way that
they've been able to use Bear's legs, especially considering the
lack of running back depth. Using Bear as a weapon
on the ground, especially short yardage kind of goal line situations,
has been really effective. And then, of course, I think
one of the most impressive of probably the most impressive
thing by He's done this year, aside from getting Rocko
Beck to for three interceptions for the first time in
his career, was you know, when LJ went down at
Iowa State, BUYU was trailing, and it just looked like, Okay,
BYU's arguably best offensive players out, they're down, They're they're
playing in a really hostile road environment.
Speaker 4: Agains the team that doesn't lose at.
Speaker 3: Home, and they just started letting Bear rip it in
the passing game, and it was it was incredible. I mean,
he was just he was throwing dimes, he was finding
wide open guys like Parker Kingston. Just Bear's finally as
comfortable as he's been all year in the passing game,
and it made BYU really dangerous and really effective against
Iowa State. And I just think that, I mean that
you got it. Credit Aaron Roderick. Like I think a
lot of teams have these play scripts that they scripted
out the first fifteen plays. It feels like Roderck is
scripting out like two hundred plays for these games because
the preparation and the ability BYU has to kind of
prevail late in games. It just feels like it feels
like by the most prepared team in the country every
week when when they go out offensively, it just looks
like Aaron Roderck has a plan and he sticks to
it and it works out really well. And I've been
really impressed by roder I think he's the unsung hero
of this team because we talk about Bear, we talk
about the defense. Jay Hill is worshiped among this fan base,
and I think Jay I think Aaron roder needs to
be on that level as well, because what he's done
with Blackmeier has just been unbelievable. I mean, b Yu
is not eight and oh right now, without Aaron Roderick.
Speaker 2: I agree with you, and he takes so much slack,
like you said, but to have a true freshman quarterback
be eight to zer and not just aight to no.
When you look at the numbers, you go back to
last year, right, he had Jake Retz Laugh also eight
to o, a guy that turned the ball over a
little bit more. So that leads me to this question, JP,
who's been the better quarterback through eight games. I don't
know if you have the stats, but I think it
wasn't too far off.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 1: Snot Jackson.
Speaker 2: Now, Jake had I think maybe four or five more interceptions,
and I think he had a lost fumble. Bear didn't
have that necessarily. If this is what the total yards
is three eight games, I'll give it to you. So
through the passing game, Jake had one and seventy two.
Bear had one, has one six hundred ninety three, eleven
touchdowns for Bear compared to Jake's eighteen seven. It tis
for Jake compared to Bachmeiers three. And then obviously you
add the rushing yards Bears four O eight. Jake had
three h three. Bear has nine rushing touchdowns three, So
Jake has seventy four more total yards and Bear one
more touchdown, but the turnover to interception ratio is way different.
Jake took more sacks, Beart's not, and Jake turned the
football over more. So who's been the better quarterback in
Europeion through the eight games.
Speaker 3: It's been Bear and it's not even close. You know,
he's not putting the ball in jeopardy, he's not taking sacks.
There's a toughness there. There's a calmness and a composure there.
I mean, retz Left was awesome in two minute drills
and when it was you know, when it was showtime, right,
but in some of those other situations and games it
got a little disy. Bear is just the composure and
the and the ability to the grace under pressure, the
ability to take care of the football. That's the best
thing that Aaron Roderick values in his quarterback is being
able to take care of the football.
Speaker 4: And Bear is doing that about as good as anybody at.
Speaker 3: BYU has under Roderick. And so yeah, it's got to
be Bear. I mean, just to do what he's done
as a true freshman. He's won four road games. He's
not getting sacked the offense feels like it's flowing better,
and I feel like Bear, you know, you could look,
I Likedretts laugh. I'm not trying to tick the guy
while he's down.
Speaker 4: Obviously he's done great at Tulane.
Speaker 3: I just felt like there you could name so many
different things he did over the first eight games last
year where it's like, all right, BYU got bailed out here,
BYU got bailed out here, Like there were times where
By was overcoming his mistakes, and I feel like Bear
hasn't really done that. You know, he's he's stepped up
when boy he's needed him too. He's he's orchestrated some
really impressive drives. The only play I can remember Bear
that was Rhett Slough esque was when I think it
was Arizona where the snap was.
Speaker 4: High and it bounced off his head and he picked
it up and he rolled out and he tried to
find Carson Ryan downfield. He tried to make stuffing.
Speaker 3: Out of nothing and he got picked off. And I
was like, Okay, we're looking at Jake Retzloff right now.
But other than that, I mean Bear the Stanford game,
he struggled a bit, but he got better as it
went on and since then, it feels like every week
it's like, Wow, Bow, he's got a guy. Bear's legit.
There's there's nothing to worry about it quarterback right now.
Whereas last year with red Slough, I mean, you never
really had that kind of security. I mean, he looked
the part at times, he made big plays, but at
the same time, you were always kind of waiting for
the other shoot to drop, and it kind of did
because Utah he wasn't very good. Obviously, he came down
the field to win Kansas, he wasn't good. The first
half of Arizona State.
Speaker 4: He wasn't good.
Speaker 3: Like as soon as November hit, it was a different
Jake Ritzloth. I mean, he was terriblely elimible. And Bear
is getting better every week and he's not putting he's
not putting the offense in danger, and so it's got
to be Bear. Jake had a very Jake was good
last year. Roderick, what he was able to do with
with Jake was really impressive. But I mean, this is
this is Roderick's Apex Mountain, what he's been able to
do with Bear, and Bear's past every test, he's he's
just I mean he's he's the centaur, right, he just
he can't be beat.
Speaker 4: It's been amazing to see.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, as long as we're talking Bear versus Jake,
Ron's been throwing this hypothetical out probably since Jake Transford
a five to twelve matchup in the in the playoffs
where BYU hosts a Tulane and things are you know,
right now, it seems like there's a possibility. Is there
a world to you where BYU hosts Tulane in a
playoff matchup and we get to see the Bear versus Jake?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's definitely a possibility. I think the
way for BYU b YU would have to go into
the Big twelfth title game with one loss and then
lose the Big twelfth Title game because I don't.
Speaker 4: Think they hosted. I don't think they'd be able to
host the game.
Speaker 3: If they didn't win the conference or if they won
the conference, right, I think they get a buy only
the playoff, the playoff one that's weird, but so I
think they'd have to go either into the Big twelve title.
Speaker 4: Game undefeated or with one loss. They get in that
large bid.
Speaker 3: You would think if if the rest of the country
shakes out the way it does, and then.
Speaker 4: Tu Lane has one loss, I think to Ole Miss, so.
Speaker 3: They would have to win out and they'd probably be
the G five team just because nobody else is really
seizing that. So yeah, I think it's possible. I mean,
I think the playoff committee too, would love that kind
of drama. I mean, Jake Redsloft's like a national name
in college football, even dating back to BYU, but then
the exit from BYU and being the Jewish quarterback being
at TU Lane and just what they've done, it would
just I mean, that's a great storyline. So I mean,
I'm not gonna run to Vegas and put put it down,
put money down, like, oh yeah, Retsloft's coming to BYU
with two Lane and they're gonna But I think it's
definitely possible, and that would be an awesome matchup. And
I mean, let's be real, boy, you would would be
two Lane by at least ten points. Retslof has that
that dog in him right for lack of a better term,
but I just think j Hill defense, with with that
time to prepare and knowing what they know about Redsloff,
think the cards are stacked against him at that point.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, like you think about this season.
Speaker 3: Would b yub eight and oh this year with Jake
Rretz laugh, I don't think they would. I think they'd
have at least two or three losses. I don't think
they would have won the Colorado game going down early.
The Utah game. You could make the case for Iowa State.
I don't think they come back from that Arizona.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Man, just would they be eight no with Jake retzloft
And I think the answer to that is a resounding no.
But Bear Bockmeyer is aiden though, and so I think
that gives him the edge. Right.
Speaker 1: That's a good point that you bring up. Would this
team be a to no with Jake rest laugh?
Speaker 2: That's a question that we're gonna have to pose in
the final hour here of Cougar Sports on esp and
the fans where with Jackson Paine Action Jackson of the
Desert News. Yeah, that's I didn't really think about that
to that degree. You just then the brand and I
guess the narrative in the storyline was, well, okay, you
get a fifty or six year quarterback back and he
would just lead this team to that that's not a guarantee.
Now that you bring it up of if they go
down early to the Iowa State game, is he able
to bring them back?
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you give maybe the Utah game, but you bring
up a valid point in the other games Colorado, does
he fumble the bag away? Arizona? Is he able to
get you to win in overtime if they're down ten?
I believe he would have been able to do that.
But those are good points, not a lot of things
that people maybe think about. So you gotta look at
what Bear's doing and remember that this is just year one.
He's got at least two more years before Ryder Lions
comes in. So there's a lot that you have to like.
And ay, Rod Mike maybe get poached at the end
of this year. He could potentially with what he's doing
with a true freshman quarterback. Don't think he would like
to leave, but hey, he's gonna earn this money and
I think he's gonna get a few more dollars maybe
in that pocket by the end of the season with
what he's doing.
Speaker 4: Why would Roger leave?
Speaker 3: I mean, money's obviously a big thing, but b why
he's paying their assistance. Well, he's got bear Bachmeier that's working. Well,
he's got ryder Lions in the pipeline. The Big twelve
is wide open every year. I mean, he could go
to the playoff every year.
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know if he.
Speaker 3: Wants to be a head coach because you think at
this point, like with his track record, if he wanted
to be a head coach, he probably would have been
by now.
Speaker 1: So true, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't really think Rogers's going anywhere.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: I just think the grass is too green in Provo.
Speaker 2: Grass is not always green on the other side, and
it's really green right now in Provo.
Speaker 5: Well, if we're talking about like coach leaving, I would
make the case. So there's a lot of a lot
of noise around Dion going somewhere because I don't think
Deon stays in Colorado.
Speaker 1: We often agree with that.
Speaker 5: Yet if a Colorado opened up and called Jay Hill,
I think that would be a realistic job that Jay
Hill would leave b YU for. What are your what
are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3: I think you know, Jay Jay is interesting. I think
Jay is more likely to leave than than Roderick By
by a long shot. But at the same time, like,
the only time that Jay Hill has ever left the
state of Utah for football was when he played two
years at Ricks. You know, he played at Utah. Afterward,
he coached at Utah, he coached at Weaver State, stayed
at Weaver State for a long time. He's he's at BYU,
He's had his health problems. Like I just feel like, look,
he could totally leave, and I get that, but it's
kind of the same way like Bronco Mendenhall could have
left a million times before he finally took the Virginia job,
And Bronco is a different cat man Like he he
his way of thinking and his decision making process was
very unique and was not standards as to what most
coaches would think or do. And I think j Hill's
not like in the Bronco area of weirdness for lack
of a better term, But I think his decision making
process is going to be a lot different than most
and I think he's going to weigh things differently. I
just think, you know, he could have gone to Utah
State this past offseason. I think there were other jobs
and other opportunities. And at the same time, it's like
he's with Kloney who's his buddy, and Gary Anderson's at BYU,
and just the recruiting success and the ability to win
in the Big twelve, like.
Speaker 4: They're having fun. Man, I don't know if anybody's rushing
to make any big life changes.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, he could totally leave, but at the
same time, it's like why ruin a good thing?
Speaker 4: So we'll see about that. But I just think for now, like, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think Roger's going anywhere, and I think Jake could
if you wanted to. But it's a matter of what
he values and his decision making, which obviously isn't going
to match what most coaches think and do.
Speaker 2: Everyone wants to be a head coach, but sometimes you
know the situation that you're in. Things change When your
situation is the perfect situation. I know need to be
take perfect with the grand of salt, but it's really
hard to look at Aerontic and j Hill's situation and say, hey,
we really don't have a great situation. You have a
better situation than a lot of coaches, even the counter
parts up north at Utah, than a lot of other
coaches here. Jackson Pain of the Desert News on the
line JPU. We had talked about college football playoff format.
We'll end on this and get you out of here.
On this note, Joe Klatt talked about extending to a
twenty fourteen playoff format. You get the top four seeds
of the ACC, Big ten, SEC, and Big twelve in first.
Speaker 1: Are you in favor? You know of it expanding?
Speaker 2: I guess the sixteen teams as number one and then
number two if they do expand to this twenty fourteen playoff?
Speaker 1: Is that too much? I feel like that's a lot
of teams.
Speaker 3: Twenty four is too many teams. Sixteen is perfect. I
don't like the buys. The twelve is great because it's
more than four, but sixteen is where it's at. I
feel like sixteen you can get like sixteen. I don't
like buys. I think everybody should have to play. I
think if you have sixteen seed Boise State in one
seed Ohio State, I think they have to play each other.
Speaker 4: That would be really fun.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, that way you have more like home
site games with the sixteen team playoff too, and with
no buys. So I'm all about the sixteen team playoff.
It'd be cool if every conference got at least two teams,
so you have two like I guess, if you go
to the conference title game, you get an automatic playoff bid,
which would be cool, but then might take away some
of the conference title game. It takes away some of
that intrigue.
Speaker 4: But maybe I mean, just thinking out loud here, you have.
Speaker 3: A powerful or so eight teams at least are coming
from that power for then you get at least two
G five teams. That gets you to ten, and then
you can have six at large teams and that's where
you know, that's where things get interesting with the selection process.
So yeah, I'm all about a sixteen teed playoff. I
alsought from day one. Sixteen was the sweet spot, and
twelve is better than four, like I said, but it's
not as good as sixteen, And so I would love
a sixteen teed payoff, but I think twenty four is
overdoing it. It's like it's like expanding the NCAA tournament
field in basketball. It's like just there's there's something about
sixty four or sixty eight teams that's just so special
and so fun, and let's not water it down. Let's
make let's make the playoff a real achievement, let's make
let's make sure that there's not We're not just handing
out participation trophies, right, Let's let's make sure that everyone's
earning it and that's still a real badge of honor
to wear, but also make it to where it's intriguing
and fun and gives teams the best chance to make
the most of it. So I'm all about sixteen, not
about six not about twenty four.
Speaker 2: I'm all about opportunity as well. But I do think
if you get participate basing trophies, that's how it is.
My dad and saw that in me from jump. He
would always get mad at me because I didn't want
to take the trophy. Michael, did I win first place?
Speaker 3: Is?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: Well was I in the championship game?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Then I don't want a trophy like That's how I did.
Speaker 2: So I think that's a good philosophy to go by
you bring up, because twenty four could be way too oversaturate.
I think sixteen's perfect, and I took build off of
your point of what you said to go with you.
I think the conference game can still be beauty as
a good thing. If you win, you get a higher seed.
But if you lose, then you might have to go
on the road. So then maybe if hosting that first
round game, you might have to go on the road.
And I think every team, if you were to ask them,
would rather host a college football playoff game that have
to go on the road to start that off in
a tough environment with a different matchup, different conference like
by You would rather host a two lane Illinois or
a USC or a Washington whoever, I'm just naming other
conferences thinking out loud, like yourself, rather than going the
road to an ole miss or an organ I think
all schools could agree they rather have home field advantage
than hit the road, for sure, no doubt. So I
love that you brought up that point, JP before we
let you go. What's the best way we our listeners
can support you what you do and how you do it?
Speaker 1: Brother?
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, you can follow me on Twitter at Jackson
five pain like Jackson five the band, you know. But uh,
and then you could go at deserret dot com find
all my stuff and me and Jay Drew and everybody
else who covers BYU are writing on the air, and yeah,
I mean just social media and clicks online. That's the
best way and love love talking to fans, and love
talking to to Cougar believers. It's it's a great time
to talk ball. So yeah, hit me up and then
read my stuff.
Speaker 1: It's fun. Gotta read his stuff.
Speaker 2: Number five Jackson, he's got the number five, just like
his quarterback with the Commanders. He give me a plug
number five as well. Mister Jaden Daniels did that right
through on the spot. Give you a love plug right there, neim.
I got to get healthy really like the way he
plays ball. Need him to get healthy though, no doubt.
But JP, we appreciate your time today.
Speaker 1: Brother. We'll catch up with you in the next few weeks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks guys, good commanders.
Speaker 1: Hey go commanders.
Speaker 2: As he said, a p A wanted to just recap
a few things before we go to break.
Speaker 1: I know we don't how much time.
Speaker 2: But we discussed it a little bit, you know, Jake,
you know Bear Tulane by you.
Speaker 1: Just your thoughts on the entire matter earlier in that segment.
Speaker 5: I think it's not I don't know if it's a
fair comparison for me, and I've heard this a lot
of the Jake wouldn't be eight to no this year because.
Speaker 1: If joh take right there, Jake wouldn't be a no.
Speaker 5: And Jackson's not the only one to say I heard
a lot actually okay, because they don't think he'd come
back from the Arizona To be fair, the one game
that I don't think he wins is probably that Iowa
State game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a tough one. That's a real tough one.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, he probably could have because
he was more of a like I viewed Jake as
a more of a thrower, run second, whereas Bear can
sometimes be run first, throw second. And so in that game,
I always State didn't have a corner that could cover.
They didn't have their corners, could not cover the grass
they were standing on based on how they played, like
guard Park, when you let two receivers get over one
hundred yards on you, there's a problem there. There's a
real problem there, and I think Jake probably could have
torn them up. I think Jake could have won that game.
But if we're talking about the Arizona game and the
other the Colorado game, we just make the assumption he
couldn't make he couldn't come like he couldn't win because
he couldn't come back there's not a guarantee he would
get them in that hole in the first place. The
way that Jake plays, Jake comes out firing, and I
think Jake probably could have kept us in the game
at the beginning of those games. So I think it's
a little bit unfair to just say Jake wouldn't be
eight to no. I think b Wy you probably would
be eight to no. The difference I think is where
I was I texted my friends is I don't think
Bear loses the Kansas game last year, like I don't
think he loses that game. That's where I think that
state because I think Jake easily could tear up this
easy schedule we've had, Like it's been easy outside of
two games. Let's be real, and Arizona is a decent team,
so maybe three games offense is very competitive. But I
think that I think Bear could have won that Kansas
game last year, and I don't I'm not sure about
the Arizona State game just because Camas Gottaby is an
absolute dog. I think we probably still lose that game,
but I think we would have been eleven and one
in a conference championship game if we get this year's
Bear last year is where I would say Bear is
better than Jake.
Speaker 2: Bring up a very good point that I really didn't
think about, is what would Bear have done in that
Kansas and Arizona State game. Let's just say the Arizona
State's are lost. They're the best team. I don't want
to disrespect them. They proved everything last year and proved
people wrong this year. Really won't know it. Still a
lot of football left. But the Kansas game, I think
beats Kansas. I don't even think they beat him. I
think they blow him out.
Speaker 5: I think I think he puts thirty five.
Speaker 2: I think he puts at least thirty five, if not
thirty eight, maybe can say forty one at the max.
I do agree, and I believe you are using the
title game. But this year, with this quarterback, with the
way he takes care of the football, I do agree
with Jackson on this note. I don't think that Byu
is going to be in bad situations because I haven't
seen it yet of Bear turning the football over. He's
had moments right the Arizona game where you can't really
throw the football at it.
Speaker 1: In West Virginia, where a guy.
Speaker 2: Makes a good place so you get him out of
the way, but only three interceptions three games.
Speaker 1: And Bear has hasn't turned over a fumble either.
Speaker 5: Bear's turned it over a few times, but he hasn't
turned it over in critical times of the game, like
the turnovers against West Virginia. We were gonna win no
matter what.
Speaker 1: Never did turn it over in their part of the field.
They have to go back.
Speaker 5: Well except for the fumble, Yeah, that was the West
one one, but it wasn't like a critical Never in
that game. Did you feel like Byu was in any
danger of losing control of that game?
Speaker 1: Nope.
Speaker 5: But Jake had some terminal turnover like bad time turnovers
end of the Arizona State game Kansas end of the half.
You know. So that's that's where I think the difference
is Bears better than Jake.
Speaker 1: I hear you in that, and I second and I
echo that, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: He has had a fumble, like you said the Western
the game, don't want people coming, and I count that
as a fumble because he counts on the stat sheet.
It's more of a pitch that he's trying to get
it out there. I look more at the fumbles that
Jake had, is okay, he's handing it off. He's miscommunicating
it with with Aiden Robbins back in the day, right
with l J he's fumbling the ball.
Speaker 1: Thinks we were pazzis.
Speaker 2: He's like, your exchanges are bad or you're fumbling at
yourself when you're running like that. Bear's not doing that.
Bears had a few moments with two hands where people
have almost knocked the loose. So need the Bear tar
tart to maybe clean those up going into the end zone.
I know two hands might think that way, but it
actually might be easier to strip.
Speaker 5: It needs to be two hands up against the body,
not just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's up against his stomach.
Speaker 2: So when he's running and people are hearing us, but
they're looking at me when I say this, because we
actually have some footballs in our Banderwill Banderwell studios. He
runs with it like this and this is not good
because that can cause the fumble. He needs to run
with it like this where he's got the So I
understand what you're saying. I think most fans would have
would agree with that. But that was a great conversation
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