Speaker 1: Welcome to episode five seventy five and dive. It is Monday,
Speaker 1: August ninth. I'm your host, Gray Coldstein, joined as usual
Speaker 1: by Jeffrey pattern Nostro and slightly less usually by Colin Whitchurch.
Speaker 1: Colin is filling in for Patrick while he is out
Speaker 1: over the next couple. Well, he's filling in today. We'll
Speaker 1: see about next week. Colin. How's it going good.
Speaker 2: I didn't ask before we recorded, but I just assumed
Speaker 2: that Patrick was out because of Deck or something like that.
Speaker 1: I think he might wish it was Deck. No, this
Speaker 1: this is uh that I shouldn't say that. It's family,
Speaker 1: it's a vacation. He's yeah, I figured it was actually vacation.
Speaker 1: That was a joke.
Speaker 2: But yes, No, I'm good. I'm happy to be back.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. H. We'll talk hopefully this
Speaker 2: uh if if if Jeffrey created another similar game to
Speaker 2: last time I was on. Hopefully I don't embarrass myself
Speaker 2: as bad as I did last time, but.
Speaker 1: Your competition will be even less stiff than than usual.
Speaker 1: I wanted to start off banter with a little bit
Speaker 1: of a ranter, if you will, I this is this
Speaker 1: is about it's gonna sound even too cheer when I
Speaker 1: say it this way, but I'm gonna say it anyway,
Speaker 1: like online etiquette, like social media etiquette.
Speaker 3: Your fault for posting on blue Sky.
Speaker 1: Yes it is. And this is all self inflicted. Okay,
Speaker 1: I I will wear that, no problem someone so so.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this, Jeffrey, but the
Speaker 1: New Yorker ran an article under the headline did the
Speaker 1: Dodgers Ruin?
Speaker 3: Basically clearly wasn't copy edited.
Speaker 1: It was a right and so and this that's actually
Speaker 1: what this is about. This article was terrible. It wasn't
Speaker 1: fact checked, okay, like it was not a good article.
Speaker 3: Copy Editors and fact checkers are the first person people
Speaker 3: to get laid off in new media, Craig.
Speaker 1: And and look, trust me, I understand. We get people
Speaker 1: in our comments who are helpful. Sometimes they're rude. A
Speaker 1: lot of times they're helpful pointing out when we make
Speaker 1: a mistake. We make mistakes copy edits, even even though
Speaker 1: we do read some.
Speaker 3: For some one of the college I did recently, I
Speaker 3: was like a three year old prospect list player and
Speaker 3: the player and I'm like, oh, there's a there's a
Speaker 3: dramatic layer there that nobody caught three.
Speaker 1: Years ago, and that was me almost certainly.
Speaker 3: And it's probably two am.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and look we missed up. That's not whatever.
Speaker 1: So I screencap. So the subhead to this article was
Speaker 1: all ready the title favorites Los Angeles acquired the league's
Speaker 1: best picture of the trade deadline and may have insured.
Speaker 1: That's there the way they wrote it. Not Enshured insured
Speaker 1: a lockout after the season. So I I commented on
Speaker 1: what the article was trying to talk about, and I
Speaker 1: used ensured in my comment correcting it. I also made
Speaker 1: a spelling notation, you know, like a spelling mistake notation
Speaker 1: in the alt text.
Speaker 2: I you didn't, but you didn't, but you didn't point
Speaker 2: out the typo in your I.
Speaker 1: Wasn't going to make a federal case about it. Other
Speaker 1: people pointed out I. Kiri Ohler from Fangrafts said, like,
Speaker 1: Craig was nice enough not to do this like explicitly,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna comment on it, and like I was, like,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, I get it right. That's fine. A
Speaker 1: lot of people pointed this out, which is also fine.
Speaker 1: I don't it's not the New York it's the New Yorker, right,
Speaker 1: It deserves comment. I'm not again, that's not my issue.
Speaker 1: A lot of people, most of the people commenting on this,
Speaker 1: in fact, did it in a quote post, which is
Speaker 1: to bring attention to other people about the New Yorker's mistake,
Speaker 1: which I think makes a lot of sense. I then
Speaker 1: got a number of people just replying to me, like
Speaker 1: one one person replied to me and did asterisk and
Speaker 1: shore and I was like, so I said, like, buddy,
Speaker 1: I used the right one, so obviously I clocked it right, Like.
Speaker 3: We are again, they get to the guy that that
Speaker 3: called no, they tried to edit your username? No what
Speaker 3: like it's supposed to be a y O you r E?
Speaker 1: No, that was I did a post intentionally like that was?
Speaker 1: That was the Edwin D.
Speaker 3: We'll get to that social apologize.
Speaker 2: This whole episode is just talking about Craig social media beefs.
Speaker 1: No. But but I just want to say to people,
Speaker 1: like when when you reply to someone and they've written
Speaker 1: stuff in a post that isn't purely the screenshot, and
Speaker 1: you are correcting something in a screenshot that they've already
Speaker 1: corrected in their post. Yeah, Like I was like, I
Speaker 1: got that, And then we had a back and forth
Speaker 1: where he kept explaining to me he was talking about
Speaker 1: the screenshot, and I was like, right, I know. I
Speaker 1: finally had to say, like, you think I don't understand
Speaker 1: what you're saying when I'm saying what you did was
Speaker 1: not additive, right, And then someone called me a dick
Speaker 1: about that, Yeah, which is fair. I was being a dick, right,
Speaker 1: I will own that. But also, when you reply to someone,
Speaker 1: when you click reply, you are replying to them in
Speaker 1: their replies on their timeline. You are not talking to
Speaker 1: other people. Okay, So when you tell me in a
Speaker 1: reply to me something I've already clearly noticed, I get
Speaker 1: to reply to you about that. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's that's actually how that social media interaction works. Okay.
Speaker 1: And to the guy who called me a dick, you're
Speaker 1: not wrong, but I think I was deservingly being a dick,
Speaker 1: That's all. Okay, mm hmm, anyone else have banter?
Speaker 3: So I'm still barely in the eighteen to forty nine
Speaker 3: year old age bracket, so theoretically people are still trying
Speaker 3: to advertise and market to me and my spending dollars,
Speaker 3: and I am slightly confused about what liberty mutual is
Speaker 3: doing with their MLB dot TV ads. Is it the
Speaker 3: poof thing whatever, I will get to the poof thing
Speaker 3: aventures personification of we have to, we have to, we
Speaker 3: have to, we have to roll back a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a long banter everyone.
Speaker 3: Strausly they've done. They dead a series of ads on
Speaker 3: that bench in front of the statue. It's really a
Speaker 3: green screen, but on a bench in front of the green.
Speaker 1: Scream it's a green screen, oh.
Speaker 3: Man, And like just various ads and eventually they found
Speaker 3: the kind of like who does he look like, Josh
Speaker 3: Josh Hartnett that they kind of looks like, yeah, the
Speaker 3: kind of Josh guy.
Speaker 1: They found the guy.
Speaker 3: They found the boat with a little poudy.
Speaker 1: Handsome dumb guy.
Speaker 2: And they have multiple because they've got the EMU guy
Speaker 2: as well, Like they've got two separate campaigns going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you always they're trying to be progressive.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, so he did they if you don't remember
Speaker 3: this ad that was basically everywhere for the last five years.
Speaker 3: It was premised on him not being able to deliver
Speaker 3: his lines because he's a hot dumb guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's honestly, they're basically doing a rip off of
Speaker 1: Joey Tribuani for.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure I could see that to you. Uh So
Speaker 3: this year they brought him back, and I'm sure the
Speaker 3: ad you've seen five hundred times on MLB TV on
Speaker 3: like the blind date with the woman that also cannot
Speaker 3: pronounce things, and then you get some yes, and I'm
Speaker 3: just like, who like what I mean? I guess the
Speaker 3: idea is to for it to be memorial for you
Speaker 3: to think about liberty mutual. And obviously I thought about
Speaker 3: liberty mutual way too much.
Speaker 1: If it's worked, we're proving it right now. This is
Speaker 1: really I mean, I I think what you're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I think you could do this progressive, I think is
Speaker 1: better at this. But it's they're trying to world build.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, they are trying to They are trying to
Speaker 3: world build, and now there's a liberty. They think liberty.
Speaker 3: Liberty is so clever that it deserves its own puppet.
Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, the puppet thing is they've really.
Speaker 3: Liberty liberty Like, no, I don't like, it's not a thing.
Speaker 1: I don't like the blind date. Yeah, because the other
Speaker 1: the other part of this is, like, as Colin pointed out,
Speaker 1: she says Canoely. He says, these are mispronunciations of words
Speaker 1: that are just that are already existing ones. Liberty is
Speaker 1: both not a word and also nowhere near mutual. It's
Speaker 1: not like he called it like liberty mutual. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: didn't mispronounce mutual. He just said it so dumb different ways,
Speaker 1: said a rhyming thing with liberty that also wasn't a word, right.
Speaker 3: I mean, I worked in insurance for over a decade,
Speaker 3: not in marketing, to be clear, we had like at
Speaker 3: various times we did whatever, it doesn't matter now. I
Speaker 3: worked for Travelers, which is generally regarded as rich people insurance,
Speaker 3: So they didn't do a ton.
Speaker 1: Of like you know, low low brown comedy.
Speaker 3: Mainline advertising. There was a dog, there was a puppy.
Speaker 3: You might remember the puppy ads for Travelers. Yeah, like
Speaker 3: the dog trying to protect his bone or whatever. That
Speaker 3: was like a thing for a few years. They did
Speaker 3: a serious of them, and I got like, I I
Speaker 3: worked with the main communications guy for a while because
Speaker 3: we did a lot of like video shoots and stuff
Speaker 3: like internally as well, But so I got like some
Speaker 3: of the inside story that yeah, we're introducing puppies because
Speaker 3: the dog is starting to get old.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, that's the storyline, has to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the narrative. But yeah, like obviously this happens
Speaker 3: like Farmers has a chorus. Now that's their big thing.
Speaker 3: I get a lot of insurance ads.
Speaker 1: Maybe they.
Speaker 3: How old I am?
Speaker 1: Also, Nationwide has moved on from the one guy who
Speaker 1: was the president on twenty four or whatever.
Speaker 3: I'm working on his name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the president.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he went the president.
Speaker 1: It was there, it was right.
Speaker 3: I didn't watch twenty four, so I was confusing with
Speaker 3: the guy with all state.
Speaker 1: That's all state. Dennis Haysbert was all state. Oh yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so who am I to?
Speaker 3: Haysbert was all state?
Speaker 1: And they also is now somebody maybe it's all state.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's she's all states. But also, I fucking love
Speaker 2: dumb commercialsay And we're not even talking about the actual
Speaker 2: best ones, which is the the mayhem.
Speaker 1: They're no longer the best. They haven't been the best
Speaker 1: for years. I'm sorry. The best the best currently going
Speaker 1: is doctor Rick and.
Speaker 2: Absolutely I'm sorry for we are old.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like one idea for an ad and you just
Speaker 3: run it into the ground because it's better than trying
Speaker 3: to create progressive.
Speaker 1: I have to give them credit and maybe ads like
Speaker 1: so the really good what is incredible.
Speaker 2: There was a really good article in some major publication
Speaker 2: a while ago about this world Jake from State Farm
Speaker 2: Flow from Progressive and basically like how rich the like
Speaker 2: how successful, Like they've made careers to the.
Speaker 1: Point where they writes all of them. Yeah, she like
Speaker 1: became like a writer director and like she.
Speaker 3: Like always right, you got to the executive producer credit.
Speaker 2: She was like in she was like doing comedy shows
Speaker 2: early in her career with like uh Tina Fey and
Speaker 2: ship or she was she was like.
Speaker 1: A comedian the woman who was Lily from at and
Speaker 1: T who stopped doing them. She also wrote her commer.
Speaker 2: She was in Project Hill Mary. She's just this past
Speaker 2: year she was in one of the biggest blockbusters of
Speaker 2: the year.
Speaker 1: She has a small role in it. Yeah, I missed
Speaker 1: that while watching it on the plane.
Speaker 2: Apparently she's the Russian scientist who okay, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: I have a friend from college who got married to
Speaker 3: like an actress who had like a fairly successful like
Speaker 3: you wouldn't recognize her, but she had like a fairly
Speaker 3: successful series and they just like were able to buy
Speaker 3: a house off the royalties basically, like not not a
Speaker 3: huge house, but a house in the LA area, right, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I I uh yeah, I don't understand, like
Speaker 1: why why they went with Judy Greer? And like why,
Speaker 1: like you, like you paid for Judy Greer, Who's like
Speaker 1: it can't be that, Like I can't be She just
Speaker 1: said how much people make off of this stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And also she's like a known She's like someone you
Speaker 1: would vaguely I recognize her, probably because of the rest
Speaker 1: of development more than anything, and like she's known enough,
Speaker 1: like she is at least.
Speaker 3: Four though, what's that he's not the president from twenty four?
Speaker 1: No, but you paid for somebody? Sure, And like then
Speaker 1: you know Judy Greer's name? Did you know the name
Speaker 1: of the actor? President's Dennis? It's you said that I
Speaker 1: didn't know Pedro Serrano from major leagues. Yes, you're right,
Speaker 1: You're right. I should I was blanking on it, but
Speaker 1: I should have known it. But also I do have
Speaker 1: to say, well, just we have to move on. I'm sure.
Speaker 1: But the Jake from State Farm rebrand, what what was that? Well?
Speaker 3: No, the original the original guy worked for State Farm.
Speaker 3: He was just like, I don't think it was actually
Speaker 3: a call. Might he might have like he was actually
Speaker 3: let him flourish. I think there was some issue with
Speaker 3: like they were worried he might leave the company, Like
Speaker 3: there's a there's a whole backstory to changed.
Speaker 1: Is that true? I would love probably want the younger,
Speaker 1: more attract guy out. Well, they certainly, but I hate
Speaker 1: the new guy. He's so cocky. Well I only started
Speaker 1: State Farm before. Was like the essence of Jake from
Speaker 1: State Farm is khaki, not cocky.
Speaker 3: Okay, great, Can we start the show now with that
Speaker 3: you got you got your you got your punch line
Speaker 3: in It's.
Speaker 1: Like it's like.
Speaker 3: Comana where we just do like fifteen minutes and then
Speaker 3: there's a punchline that's not very good at the end
Speaker 3: of it, and we can start the show now.
Speaker 2: This is honestly the worst banter for me to be
Speaker 2: on because I could talk about bad commercials forever.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna stop right our first segment, Boston Uncommon,
Speaker 1: the Red Sox finally lost to in a row.
Speaker 3: Three of their last five losses have been to the A's.
Speaker 1: That is insane. Yeah, that part is that part is
Speaker 1: more insane than the fact that they won twenty seven
Speaker 1: of thirty yeap which they had prior to that. I
Speaker 1: don't know what else we want to say here. It's
Speaker 1: an incredible run. It is, and like this they they
Speaker 1: are very close to the best run differential in the
Speaker 1: AL trailing only yes, only, yes, the Tigers.
Speaker 3: It's been a weird year in the American leagues, but
Speaker 3: like the National League has, like pretty much the NATUALLYE
Speaker 3: was weird for a while, but it's a long season.
Speaker 3: It's settled in right like if the Braves, Phillies, Cubs, Brewers,
Speaker 3: Dodgers are all pretty much chalk here, there's no surprise
Speaker 3: that the Diamondbacks and Padres are hanging around right like that. Obviously,
Speaker 3: the Mets being bad is probably the ID say. Somebody
Speaker 3: posted I think it was Brady posted the Pakoda fiecing
Speaker 3: the Pokoda projections in the Yeah, and like they weren't,
Speaker 3: They're not bad, like they're they're they Their Koda was
Speaker 3: pretty good outside of like the White Sox and the
Speaker 3: Mets and the Rays, Pakoda has been pretty good.
Speaker 2: The the Red Sox a's parallels are really funny. Someone
Speaker 2: posted a graphic from the broadcast yesterday, and I went
Speaker 2: and looked at the start of each of these runs
Speaker 2: on July first. On July first, the A's were five
Speaker 2: games under five hundred and the Red Sox were eleven
Speaker 2: games under five hundred. And now the Red Sox are
Speaker 2: eleven games over five hundred and the A's are twenty
Speaker 2: four games under.
Speaker 3: They put six games in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the fact that, yeah, that was in the
Speaker 2: middle of that just makes it all the more bizarre.
Speaker 2: And I think I saw it was. I don't think
Speaker 2: you guys have talked about this. I'm not sure when
Speaker 2: the report came, but there's talk about Crochet potentially getting
Speaker 2: giving them some bullpen help down the stretch.
Speaker 3: He is on a mound, I'm reliably informed, So that's
Speaker 3: a that's a possibility, and like, look, you don't everything
Speaker 3: has to go right for you to go twenty seven
Speaker 3: and three. But like the heaters that stayed on RAPHAELA
Speaker 3: and will You R Radio have been on really since
Speaker 3: like the All Star break. Basically it was like a
Speaker 3: week after this started, have been like they the two
Speaker 3: of the two of the top five most home runs
Speaker 3: in baseball since the All Star Break or something like that.
Speaker 1: Do you have Do you have their numbers? I did
Speaker 1: not have it, you know, I can, I can.
Speaker 3: Don't just their numbers.
Speaker 1: Now they swept.
Speaker 2: They swept the White Sox last week, so I got
Speaker 2: I watched a couple of their games really closely, and
Speaker 2: that was like the worst I've seen the results I've
Speaker 2: seen the White Sox get in a couple of months.
Speaker 2: They were outscored thirty to thirteen in three games. The
Speaker 2: Red Sox outscored them. And yeah, it was like it
Speaker 2: was it was just you just had those feelings, you
Speaker 2: know when your team's going through a bad spell where
Speaker 2: it's just like every time a bray you and Rafaela
Speaker 2: came to the play, it's like they're gonna do some
Speaker 2: damage here.
Speaker 1: It didn't matter who was on the mound. So rafayelis
Speaker 1: since the break is two ninety seven, three eleven, five
Speaker 1: sixty four.
Speaker 3: That's why this isn't saying line. Yeah, and Abradio hasn't
Speaker 3: like a brain hasn't been great, but he's also hitting
Speaker 3: for power. You know, Wilson Cantres keeps playing really well.
Speaker 3: Caleb Durbin has certainly caught fire. And do you do
Speaker 3: you have Andrew Monasterio's numbers since so Andrew Monasterio July first,
Speaker 3: three thirty seven, four h nine, five sixty eight, one
Speaker 3: hundred and eleven plate appearances too, So he's playing pretty regularly,
Speaker 3: which he probably should with a nine line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean since since the since the break, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is three fifty eight, four thirty five, thirty seven
Speaker 1: fifty eight. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, the pitching has been pretty good all year, right,
Speaker 3: I don't think it's been like especially good recently. But
Speaker 3: they're also scoring like seven runs a game, so who cares?
Speaker 3: And like again you go twenty seven and three, They've
Speaker 3: had a lot of late ending comebacks, right, They've like
Speaker 3: they've had a lot of like you know, big innings
Speaker 3: when they've been down, Like this is going to play
Speaker 3: seven and three and twenty three and seven, right, this
Speaker 3: is what.
Speaker 1: It needs to notice when you're on a good run.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, but this is this is more than
Speaker 3: a good run.
Speaker 1: This is no, no, for sure, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: discredit it. I'm just trying to say, like I I mean,
Speaker 1: not to discredit it with like lateening comebacks, like when
Speaker 1: you're going good and having a crazy run like that's
Speaker 1: that stuff will happen.
Speaker 3: You can put up big innings when like six of
Speaker 3: your regulars have a one thousand ops at the same time.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you sure can.
Speaker 3: So. Now it's like, okay, they lost a couple to Sacramento.
Speaker 3: You know we can settle in there. What a game
Speaker 3: behind the Yankees for the home field advantage in the
Speaker 3: four or five match and not that game and a
Speaker 3: half game and a half? Okay, how far behind the Rays?
Speaker 3: That's like what like five?
Speaker 1: There are seven?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the race keep winning despite being fraud right now, yea,
Speaker 3: the fraudulent Rays keep it, keep on keeping on.
Speaker 1: Look, man, I I had I had someone note to
Speaker 1: me the Rays so like they have as we've talked
Speaker 1: about three hitters. Yeah right, well four hitters. Now they
Speaker 1: traded for four hitters because they have LIMX. That's that's correct,
Speaker 1: But they've generally had three. Uh, John and and Ronda
Speaker 1: and yandas have been pretty pretty bad for a while.
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't know Aroanda off the top
Speaker 1: of my head, but Yandy Diaz has been like one
Speaker 1: of the worst hitters in baseball for an extended.
Speaker 3: Stretch, which he can do from time to time, which he.
Speaker 1: Can do, and I don't think he's I don't think
Speaker 1: that's like his true talent level or whatever. I think
Speaker 1: he's good, right, Like I think the baseline for Yandi
Speaker 1: Diez is good. But like they're winning games with as
Speaker 1: you mentioned last time, Victor Masa Junior, Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I still look I will I will eat the crow
Speaker 1: on fraudulent race. But also like there's seventy one and
Speaker 1: forty six with a plus forty six round differential. I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not really wrong. Like it's fine, like they win,
Speaker 1: they've they've won what they've won. I accept it. But
Speaker 1: you know it's fine. They're beating Seattle in Colorado on
Speaker 1: this six game win streak. That's kind of how I
Speaker 1: feel about And you got.
Speaker 3: To play who's in front of you?
Speaker 1: You do you do? And they're winning and they should
Speaker 1: they should win those games, right like fair enough? Uh so, Ken,
Speaker 1: I mean Ken, Ken, Boston catch the Race feels like
Speaker 1: a tall order set seven games in what seven weeks?
Speaker 2: I mean, I know there are I know there are
Speaker 2: insane outliers, but like at this point last year, the
Speaker 2: Guardians hadn't even started to try to you know, they
Speaker 2: were like thirteen out in late August last year.
Speaker 1: So no, it wasn't late August, was it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it was. I thought that was July, like I
Speaker 1: thought that was early August, and then it was like
Speaker 1: eleven or something. We're we're in late early August right now,
Speaker 1: in late early August, So I don't I yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think I think. I don't want to rule
Speaker 1: it out right, Boston Ken catch the race seven games
Speaker 1: and seven. It's not unprecedented or any.
Speaker 2: The Tigers were up eleven and a half games on
Speaker 2: August twenty third last year.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, it doesn't tend to happen in back to
Speaker 3: back years.
Speaker 1: I feel like, no, I'm yeah, I it doesn't tend
Speaker 1: to happen at all. Outlier. Yeah, I get that. That's
Speaker 1: an insane outlier. They're up ten on September thirty. Here's
Speaker 1: here's Pakoda gives the Red Sox one point four to
Speaker 1: When the sounds about right? Is that Colin? You made
Speaker 1: a face. I mean, that seems that seems low to me, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Well, you're only saying that because they've
Speaker 1: won twenty seven of thirty two. Well, how many how
Speaker 1: many times do they play each other down the stretches.
Speaker 1: Another thing, Colin, I do not have this schedule. That
Speaker 1: would be a good thing to know, but I sure do.
Speaker 2: Look as as as the as the guy who works
Speaker 2: for a sports betting company, I would have to pull
Speaker 2: up what the odds are. But if you were giving
Speaker 2: me like fifty seven to one on the Red Sox
Speaker 2: to win the Alias, right now, I bet that, Like
Speaker 2: that's really but that's a different and I know it's
Speaker 2: implied versus like the sports books and whatnot, but.
Speaker 1: Like what's what's worth? What's worth an outlier? But like people,
Speaker 1: I mean, you tell me, but like betters will make
Speaker 1: a bet they expect to lose all the time and whatever,
Speaker 1: because it's like it's.
Speaker 2: Worth it's worth because my numbers say they have a
Speaker 2: five percent chance winning, but the odds.
Speaker 3: Right, and if I bet that, if I push that
Speaker 3: advantage a thousand times, I'm going to make money.
Speaker 1: I know, I know there's yeah, but I I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, like true talent, I feel like they are
Speaker 2: are right there and seven games just doesn't seem that
Speaker 2: much in a month and a half, But.
Speaker 1: The math would tell you that seven games is a
Speaker 1: lot in a month and a half. In yeah, fifty
Speaker 1: games or whatever. It's hard to make up. Like I
Speaker 1: get it, it is.
Speaker 2: They're not going to play at a seven to fifty
Speaker 2: winning percentage for the rest of the season, you know, right,
Speaker 2: or eight hundred winning percent whatever their run has been.
Speaker 2: I agree with you, and that's why. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: steep hill. I just for the same reasons you've said
Speaker 2: about not believing in the Rays crag. I I've I
Speaker 2: nod my head with you every time you bring it
Speaker 2: up on the podcast.
Speaker 1: I mean, that would be an argument to say that
Speaker 1: they could catch them. Yeah, I mean, and again I
Speaker 1: don't want to rule it out. I think they can.
Speaker 1: But the other part is like if they're going to
Speaker 1: catch the other The other part of that, and I
Speaker 1: think the one point seven or one point four percent
Speaker 1: in Prakoda giving this out is that if the Red
Speaker 1: Sox catch the Rays, the Yankees probably also catch the race.
Speaker 1: That's a big and so winning the division is not
Speaker 1: just beating the Rays, it's it's also beating the Yankees.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a that's a really good point, and that's
Speaker 2: probably one of the reasons.
Speaker 1: And the Yankees, So I guess it would put it
Speaker 1: this way, if if what yours you're maybe we're originally
Speaker 1: looking at, is what are the odds the Rays don't
Speaker 1: win the division? And yeah, Prakoda has the Yank has
Speaker 1: the raise at eighty five point, so it's it's not
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fifteen percent chance that either the Yankees or Red
Speaker 2: Sox catch them.
Speaker 1: Basically exactly. Yeah. No, the other two teams are at zero.
Speaker 1: Don't worry.
Speaker 3: They have three games left with the Rays in Tampa.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, see, that's what I will say.
Speaker 3: Since we are in early mid August, I can.
Speaker 1: Well, I said late early August, right on the border.
Speaker 1: We're cuspy. We're cuspy.
Speaker 3: It'll be early mid August by the time you hear this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3: This is their schedule for the rest of the year.
Speaker 3: At Blue Jays at Pirates versus Diamondbags versus Giants, at
Speaker 3: Marlins at Yankees versus Mariners, at Orioles versus Angels versus Royals,
Speaker 3: at Rangers, at Rays versus Guardians versus Cups. That is
Speaker 3: pretty easy run in Okay, But I was.
Speaker 1: Thinking about listed a bunch of al teams.
Speaker 2: That's exactly that's exactly it. I was thinking about this
Speaker 2: because I know We're going to talk about the Tigers
Speaker 2: in a little bit. But I was looking at the
Speaker 2: Tigers and they're hot run and I'm like, oh, the
Speaker 2: Tigers haven't played a team above five hundred in like
Speaker 2: a month. But that's every team in the American League
Speaker 2: has that same schedule.
Speaker 3: Basse, they're playing two of the best teams in the
Speaker 3: AL this week and just the Guardians and the White Sox.
Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna say, I was gonna say, I
Speaker 1: don't know how many of the teams, I don't remember
Speaker 1: everyone you just said, but like, how many of those
Speaker 1: are like playoff contending teams?
Speaker 3: I mean, like they have some bad NL teams in
Speaker 3: there too, the Giants and the Pirates.
Speaker 1: You've mentioned the Diamondbacks, who were in a in.
Speaker 3: A playoff spot and are about as good as a
Speaker 3: White Sox.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, exactly exactly a sid Water. Rodriguez continues to
Speaker 1: go to the Nick Martinez of the NL.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean we talk about schedules the Red Sox,
Speaker 2: I mean, and playoff races and whatnot. Did you just
Speaker 2: listen the Red Sox schedules, said, the Red Sox schedule, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's easy, but the very end. If
Speaker 2: it's like tight, it goes raised Guardians Cubs last three series.
Speaker 3: They also have four in there in the Bronx, which
Speaker 3: in three days in the Bronx, which are going to
Speaker 3: be probably more important for stuff like wildcard seating.
Speaker 2: Right, I think everyone at this point, And you guys
Speaker 2: can disagree with me if you want, Like the Red
Speaker 2: Sox are a playoff team. It's just Al East or
Speaker 2: not like at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and the and whether they have home field
Speaker 3: against the Yankees or not. Right, they're the four or five, right,
Speaker 3: one and a half.
Speaker 1: So the the item I skipped on our rundown was
Speaker 1: Chad Tracy Manager of the year.
Speaker 3: Look, he's been eighteen games over five hundred since taking over,
Speaker 3: fifty four and thirty six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's all basically this run.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean he was under five hundred before this
Speaker 3: run because they went twenty four over.
Speaker 1: For yeah, so I mean like, yeah, maybe he could
Speaker 1: easily went like nobody's got to win. It's an easy
Speaker 1: narrative to South. I don't know it's him, it's Will
Speaker 1: Venable or him essentially at this point. Yeah, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: if the White Sox hold on, my vote would be yeah,
Speaker 1: will venable if I had a vote. Uh, but like sure,
Speaker 1: I mean the way this works is it's like who
Speaker 1: defied expectations?
Speaker 2: Yes, and the white sexs defied expectation the most, but
Speaker 2: the red sex may have defied expectations when we expectations.
Speaker 1: But also do we think this is like Chad Tracy
Speaker 1: is doing or like like, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, he's a guys, right, like Anthony A. Siegler.
Speaker 1: And Yeah, to be clear, when I say I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't even mean to say it in a in
Speaker 1: a dismissing way. It's just I truly don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean that is that is the question of any
Speaker 2: managerial of the Year race, right like Stephen Vogue and
Speaker 2: Pat Murphy the last couple of years. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they defy expectations, but is are they defying expectations because
Speaker 2: they're lifting their team ups or because odds makers and
Speaker 2: you know people are.
Speaker 1: Is wrong about Milwaukee every Yes, exactly for what it's worth. Honestly,
Speaker 1: you can tell well, Pat Murphy's and obviously, but you
Speaker 1: could tell me like that equivalent not Cleveland this year,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, Pat Murphy could win it every year
Speaker 1: as far as I think he does. He does seem
Speaker 1: to do a great job. So whatever, it's for what
Speaker 1: it's worth.
Speaker 2: And I swear I won't bring stuff like this up
Speaker 2: all the time on this podcast, even though I've done
Speaker 2: it twice already in the first couple of minutes.
Speaker 1: It's fine whatever.
Speaker 2: Venable has been the al manager of the favorite literally
Speaker 2: all year, and I just brought it up when this
Speaker 2: conversation started. Tracy is now ahead of him on the
Speaker 2: spoort Okay, yeah, plus one twenty five to plus one.
Speaker 3: Narrative awards, right, And the fact that he took over
Speaker 3: absolutely who's like World Series. There's all the you know,
Speaker 3: the palace intrigue around it too, and the team was
Speaker 3: playing like garbage.
Speaker 1: And if the Tigers, I'm sorry to say this comment, like,
Speaker 1: if the Tigers win the Division, does a J.
Speaker 3: Hinch No, because he was there the whole time, it
Speaker 3: doesn't count.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The difference is that it's the switch from Korra, right, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, I don't know who I mean, like
Speaker 1: Kevin Cash.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you can argue for giving Cash, right,
Speaker 3: Like the third the Raids are kind of in the
Speaker 3: Brewers mode where you just like they have not been
Speaker 3: as consistently good as the Brewers, right, but you just
Speaker 3: sort of and he's won it multiple times, right, just
Speaker 3: one twice?
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, i'd have to. I was gonna look,
Speaker 1: I think, but we will not talk about the al West. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: he is one of those mans.
Speaker 2: Kevin Cash won Ale Manager the Year in twenty and
Speaker 2: twenty one, and he finished third three other times.
Speaker 1: So's you think he's gonna finish third again? Yeah? Probably,
Speaker 1: But but he's in the discussion. I think he's vallidly
Speaker 1: in this, in the.
Speaker 3: Discussion because Craig can't figure out why they're winning, so
Speaker 3: I sure can't.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a I yeah, well whatever, all right,
Speaker 1: let's go to our second subject on Redondo Beach and
Speaker 1: everyone is so sad. Do you want to tell me
Speaker 1: what this is?
Speaker 2: From?
Speaker 3: Patty Smith? Okay, Bornando Beach Horses and I have one
Speaker 3: of the greatest albums of the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Craig, Craig, we're alike in these regards
Speaker 2: now because I don't know about music.
Speaker 1: Thank you. The Dodgers are three and seven in their
Speaker 1: last ten, they have lost seven of eight, so they
Speaker 1: lost seven in a row seven No One.
Speaker 3: They won on Saturday, they won the edwin dis game
Speaker 3: that you had a I've already addiction fit about on
Speaker 3: Blue s guy.
Speaker 1: Yes, well I did. I honestly didn't have a connection.
Speaker 1: I really did. Whatever they are now, outside of a bye,
Speaker 1: there not one of the top two teams, Atlanta and Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: Milwaukee is is at seventy four wins. Atlanta is at
Speaker 1: seventy one, Dodgers are at seventy. They're one game back
Speaker 1: of Atlanta in the lost column as well. So yeah,
Speaker 1: this is uh, they've been very bad. They've gone cold.
Speaker 1: I saw. I didn't get to dig into the article,
Speaker 1: but I know, you know, Sarah's has published at The
Speaker 1: Athletic a piece about how they're really struggling with fastballs,
Speaker 1: high velocity fastballs, and they're continuing more in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: more and more fastballs. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, look, they're
Speaker 1: an old team, right, Like this.
Speaker 3: Is something I they all have strong opinions about insurance commercials.
Speaker 1: They they this feels more to me. I guess, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's like a little bit of the
Speaker 1: tail wagging the dog situation where they're struggling and then
Speaker 1: like this is they struggled. I might be wrong on this,
Speaker 1: so feel free to tell me, but I feel like
Speaker 1: we saw some of the same kind of research of
Speaker 1: struggling against fastballs last July when they were twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five July, when they were in a real they had
Speaker 1: a bad month. They got swept by the Brewers that month.
Speaker 1: They and then that's obviously Milwaukee was a very good team,
Speaker 1: but they lost to some bad teams too, And I
Speaker 1: feel like we saw some of the same stuff, which
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it's wrong. It can get worse, right,
Speaker 1: they're all a year older for the most part. I
Speaker 1: do struggle with the idea that like Shohotani is at
Speaker 1: an age where he's struggling with fastballs. He swings very
Speaker 1: fast right like he's got a knee injury, so maybe
Speaker 1: that's part of it. Andy Payes is not so old
Speaker 1: he should be struggling with with velocity. Kyle Tucker is
Speaker 1: not so old he should be struggling with velocity. Maximunzy
Speaker 1: is old enough to struggle with velocity, but I think
Speaker 1: has premium swing speed, so probably not necessarily he's he's
Speaker 1: struggled with velocity before. He's also fixed it every time.
Speaker 1: So it's I'm not saying like this isn't real. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to close my eyes and pretend I don't
Speaker 1: see it, but I don't know that it's something that's
Speaker 1: not temporary. I guess is how how I feel about
Speaker 1: that without having I say all this without again, without
Speaker 1: having dug into the full article, which is my own fault.
Speaker 1: Max Muntsy's bats feed's actually up this year compared to
Speaker 1: last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think Craig's right, this is kay,
Speaker 3: Like I assume if you go through any team that's
Speaker 3: had a cold stretch for ten games, you will find
Speaker 3: they are worse against fast falls, because yeah, that's just yeah,
Speaker 3: whether it's predictive of anything going forward, well.
Speaker 1: So the research, and I want to be clear, I
Speaker 1: don't want to misrepresent the research. The research is about
Speaker 1: several months. Sure, it's not it's not specifically about this
Speaker 1: rough like just this rough stretch. It's that the fastball,
Speaker 1: the number of fastballs they faced, has increased over the
Speaker 1: last several months. But they also, like they just got
Speaker 1: shut down by EDWARDO. Rodriguez, doesn't for harder than ninety three.
Speaker 2: And also if if they've been seeing a lot of
Speaker 2: fastballs over the last several months. Guess what over the
Speaker 2: most last several months they've been They've been good more
Speaker 2: often than they've been bad, right while facing the.
Speaker 1: Fastballs, right exactly.
Speaker 2: So Yeah, I just it might be team. It might
Speaker 2: be teams theorizing less than seeing evidence.
Speaker 1: Look, if you want to tell me Mooki bats and Ti,
Speaker 1: Oscar Hernandez and even Freddy Freeman are going to struggle
Speaker 1: with fastball velocity, I can get there and and look,
Speaker 1: that's that's a number of players in their lineup that
Speaker 1: are important and and could be reasons the offense is struggling.
Speaker 1: More generally, I think they have enough talent to overcome that. Right,
Speaker 1: And again, like Dalton Rushings hurt now, but like he
Speaker 1: was there, he shouldn't struggle with fastball velocity. So again,
Speaker 1: like I both understand it, I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a skeleton key explanation for their problems if they lose.
Speaker 2: If they lose a seven game series to the Brewers
Speaker 2: in October, we're not going to say, oh, it's because
Speaker 2: they are struggling.
Speaker 1: Well, it will be struggling with Jacob Mizerowski's trust me
Speaker 1: on that they're getting Snell's back tomorrow, right, Snell's back tomorrow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they're getting their late season injury return pitcher last
Speaker 1: Snow is rehabbing as well. He's not He's not as
Speaker 1: close as Snell or Snell's coming back. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they're gonna get their their pitching back. Look,
Speaker 1: I think most of this is on the lineup. They
Speaker 1: haven't hit very well for an extended period. Justin Robleski,
Speaker 1: I mean, like, can you turn into something more than
Speaker 1: a pumpkin like he he has given up. He gave
Speaker 1: up eight home runs in one hundred ish innings heading
Speaker 1: into the All Star Game. He gave a home run
Speaker 1: in the All Star Game to Miguel Vargas. Need to
Speaker 1: mention it's this podcast and also College White Sox fan
Speaker 1: got absolutely and then has given up nine home runs
Speaker 1: since the All Star break in back to back games
Speaker 1: for each and back to back games. Well, he didn't
Speaker 1: give up four this last start against.
Speaker 2: Snow, but he went before that four against the Cubs,
Speaker 2: four against the Mariners, and then just won who his last.
Speaker 1: Start, that's right, Yeah, So look I think the bill
Speaker 1: is coming to on that right.
Speaker 2: So four home runs against the Mariners. Is like eight
Speaker 2: runs allowed it against other teams?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Eric lower got had a blow up start.
Speaker 1: He's just like he was pitching way above his head.
Speaker 1: So they kind of need snell back. They we talked
Speaker 1: about how they kind of needed Scooble. Yeah, I mean, like,
Speaker 1: what is it over? Did they need scooball or like
Speaker 1: could they have gotten Freddy Peralta or any number of
Speaker 1: these Casey Mize or you know whatever. They could have
Speaker 1: gotten someone in that vein rather than the best pitcher
Speaker 1: on the market and been just fine. Sure, so need
Speaker 1: isn't over. They needed another ar is what I would say.
Speaker 1: And then our last you know, I don't know what
Speaker 1: else to say on that. The last bit here in
Speaker 1: the rundown is uh, Jeffrey.
Speaker 3: Actual, I broke the agenda this morning.
Speaker 1: Well I'm not going to call myself a dufus.
Speaker 3: Oh some dufus keeps arguing with people about edwinas on
Speaker 3: Blue Sky and we already covered that. But he has
Speaker 3: been quite bad.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Well, I can remember if it was in banter as
Speaker 3: part of your social.
Speaker 1: Media is different. We alluded to it and to it.
Speaker 3: Fine, I did see. I am not a fan of
Speaker 3: the you know the Baseball Reference compare players that you
Speaker 3: see all over like it's it's very reductive and not
Speaker 3: actually giving you all the information you need. There was
Speaker 3: when I saw posted that was comparing Edwin Diaz to
Speaker 3: Luis Terrenz as a pitcher. That's that's good. That's good.
Speaker 3: That's good. Slop right there, that is, I mean, that's
Speaker 3: the right way to use it. Yes, that's the right
Speaker 3: way to use So to be clear, he's been significantly words.
Speaker 1: What I what I posted about was Edwin Diaz came
Speaker 1: in and blew a one run game against the Diamondbacks
Speaker 1: when the Dodgers had lost uh six in a row.
Speaker 1: At that they they had had six straight losses. In
Speaker 1: this game, they had a one run lead heading into
Speaker 1: the ninth, they had escaped a bunch of gams there.
Speaker 1: There weren't a lot of good options. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: that they had to go to Tanner Scott, who they
Speaker 1: used pretty heavily to get out of the eighth inning.
Speaker 1: And I honestly thought they might just leave him in.
Speaker 1: And he hadn't even been that good lately. I thought
Speaker 1: they might leave him in, and they went with or
Speaker 1: maybe I'm confusing games. But whatever they bring in Edwin
Speaker 1: Diaz for the nine Diez is just basically just off
Speaker 1: the I l he had has no feel for his slider.
Speaker 1: He's a two pitch pitcher. He throws his slider what
Speaker 1: the majority of the time, at least the time. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He's just thrown cement mixers or or spiking it.
Speaker 1: Like he does not have the feel for it. So
Speaker 1: that leaves him with a fastball. I know you said
Speaker 1: the velocity has been down. He ran it up to
Speaker 1: like ninety eight ninety nine. This wasn't like bad, but
Speaker 1: it's one pitch. Yeah, right, So he walks a guy.
Speaker 1: His command is not good. He walks, the guy gets
Speaker 1: an out Ryan Walshman. It's a home run, second of
Speaker 1: the year for Ryan Welshman. Okay, it happens. It's a
Speaker 1: bad run. The Dodgers are you know, you know, they
Speaker 1: don't care.
Speaker 3: Fine, whatever, they just start caring probably but maybe yeah,
Speaker 3: probably the three I know they therefore as the three seed,
Speaker 3: but they should probably care.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They then the next game, Dodgers take a one
Speaker 1: nothing lead into the ninth. I mean, Dave comes right
Speaker 1: back and goes to Edwin Diaz.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and all I.
Speaker 1: Posted was like going back to the guy who admittedly
Speaker 1: doesn't have one of his two pitches, is going.
Speaker 3: Back to the bridge at three am for more Edwin
Speaker 3: dis is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was olives right like it. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is I said, it's such a Dave move, which
Speaker 1: isn't even like it isn't it. It's an implicit criticism,
Speaker 1: but it's it's not even it's To me, it was
Speaker 1: it was just.
Speaker 3: Crazy says I've heard you make about Dave Roberts bullpen
Speaker 3: management in the last decade.
Speaker 1: It's pretty tepid, right, like it is, It's just it,
Speaker 1: and it really is a Dave move. He loves to
Speaker 1: get a guy on the horn we have to get
Speaker 1: and his move is to put him right back into leverage.
Speaker 1: He loves to do this and and a lot of
Speaker 1: times I actually agree with it. I do think these
Speaker 1: like these guys, for their mentality, need to go right
Speaker 1: back in and and feel that the manager trusts them.
Speaker 3: Now on a six game losing streak, now.
Speaker 1: On a sixth game. It was a five game losing streak,
Speaker 1: and what you turned it into six with Diaz and
Speaker 1: and the biggest part of it to me is he
Speaker 1: doesn't have one of his pitches and he knows it
Speaker 1: and everyone knows it. So are you setting him up
Speaker 1: to succeed? Right? Are?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you putting him in a situation where he can
Speaker 1: get that confidence back, because it's it's one thing if
Speaker 1: like you have your pitches, you're just on a bad run.
Speaker 1: That was a lot of Tanner Scott last year, right, Like,
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, his velocity was fine, his
Speaker 1: slider wasn't. It was a lot of location and maybe
Speaker 1: being too predictable, but they couldn't figure out what it was,
Speaker 1: and so Dave just kept going back to him and
Speaker 1: it drove me insane. But I but I understood it
Speaker 1: to some degree. When you know, Colin, when we talked
Speaker 1: about it before, you said, like, it's different when a
Speaker 1: guy doesn't have the pitch. Yeah, And that that to
Speaker 1: me was the difference here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's it's like I mean, it's not
Speaker 2: whether it's from coming back from injury or just some
Speaker 2: sort of mechanical thing. It's it's different when you're going
Speaker 2: back to a guy just because he ran and he
Speaker 2: he had a bad outing. You want to you don't
Speaker 2: want him to lose the confidence whatever versus he struggled
Speaker 2: for a very specific reason that need to be addressed.
Speaker 1: The ladder. He hasn't addressed it since the game ended
Speaker 1: last night. Yes, exactly right, Like he didn't. You didn't
Speaker 1: even give him a day to do a bullpen session
Speaker 1: or whatever. Actually wouldn't do after he pitched anyway. But
Speaker 1: like so he throws him right back in the fire,
Speaker 1: lead off triple second batter. I forget who who it was.
Speaker 1: It was Permo and Domo and then Corbyn Carroll because
Speaker 1: he knows bastball is coming right.
Speaker 3: Also, if you're going to bring him back, like maybe in.
Speaker 1: A against Perdomo, Carrol and and Market like.
Speaker 3: The bottom of the order.
Speaker 1: Maybe, man.
Speaker 3: It was I think it was the bottom of there
Speaker 3: against order to get him in there against tim Tawa,
Speaker 3: but he might give up a home run to Tim Powaw.
Speaker 1: Tim Tawa is torching the Dodgers. He's hitting five hundred.
Speaker 2: I think against he went it was Perdomo, Carroll, moreno
Speaker 2: Marte and then he intentionally walked a new bar and
Speaker 2: then I.
Speaker 1: Mean, right, so Carrol hits a lead off trip. I
Speaker 1: mean sorry, Perdomo hits a lead off triple Carol hits
Speaker 1: a triple, so it is now tie. Game runner on third,
Speaker 1: no out Moreno hits a screamer line drive to Max Muncy.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a double play, but he gets an out,
Speaker 1: he gets a pop out, there was a walk, and
Speaker 1: then he got a strikeout. Okay, So then I get
Speaker 1: people giving me the well it worked out, it didn't
Speaker 1: you know? And then and I have to tell you,
Speaker 1: like I don't think back to back triples? Is it
Speaker 1: is like working out?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I did he get out of it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: He does that?
Speaker 1: Diez he That's the other part is like that's just
Speaker 1: how Edwin Diaz pitches when he's good. But like he
Speaker 1: also wasn't good, Like the reason.
Speaker 3: Instead of two triples?
Speaker 1: Right, I shouldn't. I shouldn't say the reason Corbyn Carroll
Speaker 1: hit a triple. Corbyn Carrol hits a ton of fucking triples.
Speaker 1: But like, did it help that he knew he was
Speaker 1: gonna throw a fastball? I have to think so.
Speaker 2: The Gabriel Marino line out to third was hit one
Speaker 2: hundred and six miles an hour, hadn't expected batting average
Speaker 2: six ninety. It was the third hardest hit ball of
Speaker 2: that entire game.
Speaker 1: Did did it work out? Yes? But also though, like,
Speaker 1: can we can we be honest about whether something works
Speaker 1: or not?
Speaker 3: We have to dunk on Crag even if it's I mean, look,
Speaker 3: I'm fine with that frankly, but we should be in
Speaker 3: all actually consistent when we're dunking on Craig as much
Speaker 3: as possible.
Speaker 2: He gives you opportunities to dunk on him when yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: don't talk to me about the race please, like that
Speaker 2: is a very valid dunk. I have had a bad
Speaker 2: take on the Rais and I've stood by it all year.
Speaker 2: Do you like calling it a Dave move?
Speaker 1: Is not even like he just is a Dave move.
Speaker 1: I'm not wrong on that.
Speaker 3: The man has watched a lot of Dave Roberts, but
Speaker 3: I've watched a lot of Dave Roberts. We are all
Speaker 3: richer for it, and yeah.
Speaker 1: I and yeah that guy and then I did I
Speaker 1: did get into it with a guy who just was
Speaker 1: like weirdly aggressive to me about it and like I
Speaker 1: wasn't even.
Speaker 3: Being Edwind is like a tenny ra Like. I know
Speaker 3: it's a small sample, but he didn't look great before
Speaker 3: the injury either. Do you think he makes a playoff roster.
Speaker 1: Edwin d asked, Yeah, I mean, yeah, sure, I.
Speaker 3: Mean they're capable of just like not carrying him if
Speaker 3: they don't think he can.
Speaker 1: I you know, it sounds like they're losing Will Klein
Speaker 1: for the season. He's got bone chips in his elbow,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I don't know. I mean, the bullpen had
Speaker 1: been running really well and then is extremely not like
Speaker 1: everyone outside of Jack Dryer is bad right now. So
Speaker 1: you know, as I also, by the way, spent an
Speaker 1: entire offseason saying like, when are they gonna remove Jack
Speaker 1: Dryer from the forty man? And he's the lynchpin of
Speaker 1: the bullpen right now, so who knows? A donat Do
Speaker 1: you want to do one more or take a break?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think go either way, Craig, you just said.
Speaker 1: Let's let's take a break and we can come back
Speaker 1: with the rest of the show. Welcome back to episode
Speaker 1: five hundred and seventy of five and dive. We're on
Speaker 1: segment three. Ooh, baby, baby, it's a wild card. I
Speaker 1: know that one, Jeff, I just.
Speaker 3: I know, I've said it twenty times. I died picked
Speaker 3: up on it at some point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I picked up on it immediately that
Speaker 1: one Clay Holmes activated for the Cubs. Not a great start, No,
Speaker 1: and again it doesn't. Of Mets pitching acquisitions for the Cubs,
Speaker 1: David Peterson has gone better.
Speaker 3: Yes, and like again they don't. The Cubs are kind
Speaker 3: of where they are. They can just spend the next
Speaker 3: month getting play homes back up.
Speaker 1: It's not, yeah, I mean they are. They are five
Speaker 1: and a half back of Milwaukee.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's a closed yeah, but it's yeah.
Speaker 1: I Pakoda always doubting Milwaukee and loving the Cubs. If
Speaker 1: you are not looking, Jeffrey, what would you guess, Pokoda.
Speaker 3: It's like Jesus waves like teeed it up to me.
Speaker 3: I will see it.
Speaker 1: But I will also tell you. I will tell you
Speaker 1: the Yankees are thirteen zero point three percent for the division.
Speaker 3: They're about five and a half back too, aren't they
Speaker 3: They might be exactly you let me. I'm gonna say
Speaker 3: thirty six percent.
Speaker 1: The Yankees are also exactly five and a half back.
Speaker 1: You overshot it a little because I laid it on thick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, but you're you're you're in the right direction.
Speaker 1: Twenty seven point seven percent.
Speaker 3: That's too high.
Speaker 1: It's it is too high. I think it's too high too.
Speaker 1: It is too high. But I do think of the
Speaker 1: fifteen ish.
Speaker 3: Fifteen Again again, I'm not look, I'm not the Cup
Speaker 3: schedule to see how many times they fight the Brewers
Speaker 3: down the stretch.
Speaker 1: But right, yeah, sure, five and a half.
Speaker 3: It does make it. Five and a half versus seven
Speaker 3: does make a difference, right with this.
Speaker 1: Yea few games also a better team. Seven is also
Speaker 1: a better team than the race.
Speaker 3: If they have seven games with the Cubs left, I
Speaker 3: can see what Pakoda thinks they're a better team. Pakota
Speaker 3: might think they go five and two in that and
Speaker 3: that makes it.
Speaker 1: Right and it closes the gap substantially. I don't think
Speaker 1: you're right, and I don't think that is the situation,
Speaker 1: and it would change things a lot obviously in those.
Speaker 3: If they do go five and two, then yes, that
Speaker 3: the percentages are probably closer to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. How how do you feel about the Cubs with
Speaker 1: the pitching overhaul?
Speaker 3: I just I don't know, Like they're fine. They're like
Speaker 3: the exact amount of fine that will keep them getting
Speaker 3: too much criticism, But a lot of the process they
Speaker 3: yet here going back. You know what twenty months now
Speaker 3: to the Kyle Tucker trade has been kind of ponderous.
Speaker 1: Do you mean since I liked the Tucker trade, I
Speaker 1: just everything.
Speaker 3: After that, No, I mean just yeah, like they didn't
Speaker 3: really follow up on it, right, and they didn't sign
Speaker 3: Talker long term, but whatever. But they they seem to
Speaker 3: be kind of peaking at like eighty seven to ninety
Speaker 3: win team that has to go through the wildcard round
Speaker 3: even if they win the division, right, Like, it does
Speaker 3: feel a little bit and like is that like we
Speaker 3: talked about this, you know, with the Orioles and might
Speaker 3: like the Cubs also did a pretty not as deep
Speaker 3: a trow as the Orioles. They did a pretty significant
Speaker 3: rebuild and they seem to have peaked it around an
Speaker 3: eighty eight win team. Mm hmm, So, like, what are
Speaker 3: we doing with Jed Hoyer? Exactly? Any reasonable question to ask,
Speaker 3: Like what maybe the expectations are. This is fine, they're
Speaker 3: printing money in Brigleyville. The team's good enough to make
Speaker 3: the playoffs, like this is all fine for everybody involved
Speaker 3: in the process. That maybe the Cups fans, But.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean I'd be interested. Colin. Obviously
Speaker 1: you're white Sox fan. But you're you're in the area.
Speaker 1: I live like three miles from Wigleyfield. Yes, So what
Speaker 1: is the the vibe?
Speaker 2: I think it's hard for me to say what the
Speaker 2: vibe is because that would require me to go out
Speaker 2: and be like a social human being. The thing that
Speaker 2: I wonder about this team with these rotation editions, The
Speaker 2: thing that I thought from the trade deadline with Gusman
Speaker 2: and with Clay Holmes is what the trickle down effect
Speaker 2: could be with their bullpen, which was a real sore spot,
Speaker 2: and the fact that I think it raises their floor
Speaker 2: in the sense that they're not going to be required
Speaker 2: to lean on guys like Colin Ray have, Javier Sad
Speaker 2: Aaron Savally is how you pronounce that? By the way,
Speaker 2: guys uh down the stretch and it will. It just
Speaker 2: eases the load on the rest of the arms, but
Speaker 2: it doesn't raise their ceiling because Gaussman isn't the ace
Speaker 2: level picture he was in recent history. They are getting
Speaker 2: Cabrera back. I think Edward Cabrera is on a rehabit
Speaker 2: sign right now, but he just adds to that same
Speaker 2: load of similar type of pictures.
Speaker 1: It's all like three three and a half ish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels very It feels very built for regular
Speaker 2: season success more than playoff success.
Speaker 1: Right. I do want to point out, as I did
Speaker 1: in a recent podcast Colin, that you need to take
Speaker 1: it up with Baseball Reference, who says Aaron Aaron's last
Speaker 1: name is Civilly? Really? Or yes, that's what Baseball Reference
Speaker 1: says civil All right, So the point is nobody knows.
Speaker 1: Now I'm fucked up. Now I'm fucked up.
Speaker 3: He's having his jack Le moment.
Speaker 1: Yes, that legitimately broke my brain. When I just dis
Speaker 1: like an end that doesn't get addressed, I I agree
Speaker 1: with you. I do think it's interesting. So like they
Speaker 1: get I haven't checked on him recently, but like, is
Speaker 1: Peterson a ground ball guy?
Speaker 3: Jeff, Yes, he is theoretically, so.
Speaker 1: Like they're really leaning into their defense, right, their infield defenses,
Speaker 1: and they need.
Speaker 2: Guys like that, because if showed him in Monoga is
Speaker 2: pitching on a warm dayt Wriggley Field, he's going to
Speaker 2: give up a Justin Robleski amount of home runs And yeah.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: Gusman obviously gets a lot of ground balls. H If
Speaker 1: Peterson is getting around balls, Clay Holmes gets a lot
Speaker 1: of ground balls, So they're really like it is a
Speaker 1: specific type of picture, and I agree, like that is
Speaker 1: all like generally the kind of guy you want regular season,
Speaker 1: and well I.
Speaker 3: Think there's idea like you make it so a team
Speaker 3: has to get three base hits against you in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: But also like David Peterson and Clay Holmes will give
Speaker 3: up hope runs despite throwing sinkers.
Speaker 1: Its yeah, like yeah, Also, look it happens to Gossman too, right,
Speaker 1: like that hat he was very good in the playoffs
Speaker 1: last year. He also you know, I think this final
Speaker 1: line versus the Dodgers was was like three three earned
Speaker 1: in six innings, and it was it was gutty. He
Speaker 1: was really good. But it's also just barely a quality start.
Speaker 3: Question for me is more, look like I think they're
Speaker 3: gonna be the probably the wild card one. Right, They're
Speaker 3: going to play the Phillis of the Diamondbacks and the
Speaker 3: in the first and the like that can go. However
Speaker 3: it's going to go, it's to play.
Speaker 1: They are they are.
Speaker 2: They are six games clear of a different playoff spot
Speaker 2: than they are in it in either direction.
Speaker 3: Basically so, but like after the season, literally their entire rotation,
Speaker 3: including the guys they traded for are free agents and Managa.
Speaker 3: And it's not just a pitching either. It's you know,
Speaker 3: it's in halp and Stay a Suzuki. And they're going
Speaker 3: to make some significant roster overhauls. And I think they're
Speaker 3: gonna do just enough to get back to eighty eight wins, right,
Speaker 3: Like that's the it's gonna be hard, a little bit less.
Speaker 2: But the interesting thing, like I think they're you guys
Speaker 2: have talked a lot about their offense. Their offense has
Speaker 2: been fine for most of the season. If some guys
Speaker 2: get if some guys cool off, other guys get hot.
Speaker 2: Like they've got a lot of I.
Speaker 1: Mean they have a one ten a team ops plus
Speaker 1: of one ten. It's been good, good, but it started
Speaker 1: off on fire. Now it's just it's merely good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The thing that you asked about the vibes earlier in Chicago,
Speaker 2: I think the real question mark. And I don't know
Speaker 2: if this gets talked about a lot nationally. He has
Speaker 2: a huge reputation in he had success in Milwaukee. But
Speaker 2: Craig Council pulling the right strings with this many pitching
Speaker 2: options in the playoffs, I think makes a lot of
Speaker 2: people nervous. I think that there's not a lot of
Speaker 2: faith in him basically using the right arms in the
Speaker 2: right spots. Well, he doesn't win when there's not an
Speaker 2: obvious pecking order, which there isn't either in the rotation
Speaker 2: or the bullpen right now.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have the like in Milwaukee, he can just like,
Speaker 3: all right, I'm just going to Aaron Ashby for two innings.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, if somebody is going five every day, I
Speaker 3: guess he can do that with Ben Brown.
Speaker 1: But if Ben Brown's Ben Brown has as throwing thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's throwing.
Speaker 2: He's not on rehab yet, so he's behind Edward Cabrera.
Speaker 1: I guess they wouldn't after the trades. But like Ben
Speaker 1: Brown is one of your four best starters.
Speaker 3: Starting, he might start one of them. They're gonna start
Speaker 3: Osmin and Holmes, I assume.
Speaker 1: So I assume there's going to start Osmin Holmes in
Speaker 1: a Monaga.
Speaker 3: Yeah, boy and I don't think too Yeah, yeah, boys,
Speaker 3: I feel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm sorry, Boyd was Boyd has been very goodly.
Speaker 1: Boyd might I shouldn't have I forgot to mention.
Speaker 2: Especially splitting up the lefties and right they might go. Gouseman,
Speaker 2: Boyd wanted to, you know, and.
Speaker 3: Like Peterson has had success in the playoffs, just coming
Speaker 3: in throwing.
Speaker 1: For no forgetting about Boyd. I do think in that case,
Speaker 1: you you do put Brown because he was very good
Speaker 1: as a reliever and he has the ability to gomost.
Speaker 1: He's a weird Andrew Miller.
Speaker 3: You're gonna go pretty short, I would expect with Gossman,
Speaker 3: Boyd and Homes.
Speaker 1: And I feel like you're going everyone.
Speaker 3: Depends on how he does.
Speaker 1: I guess he had a nice start. It was against
Speaker 1: the Royals, but.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was I was watching. I was watching that game, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, with some friends, and uh he got hit
Speaker 2: in by line drive in the back of the foot.
Speaker 2: And right after I was saying that they're not huge
Speaker 2: sports fans, huge baseball fans, But I was like, Gousan
Speaker 2: is gonna be good for the Cubs because he can
Speaker 2: pitch deep into games and he never gets hurt.
Speaker 1: He's very durable. And then a second later the trainer
Speaker 1: was out on the mound with him. But yes, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I do if Ben Brown can be healthy and as
Speaker 1: you know, right, you know who these guys come back,
Speaker 1: but they're not always fully one hundred percent. Like but
Speaker 1: if he if he can be close, that's that's a
Speaker 1: difference maker for the bullpen. It's also interesting and I'm
Speaker 1: not doubting their experiences. They watch the Cubs every day
Speaker 1: and I don't, but like they're getting great seasons out
Speaker 1: of Jacob Webb, Ryan Rolinson and Trent Thornton, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I don't know that he's doing
Speaker 1: something wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's more. I mean, all of my
Speaker 2: everything I'm saying is more anecdotal than like evidence based.
Speaker 2: But it's more just like some questionable stuff about like
Speaker 2: leaving starters in a bat or too long kind of
Speaker 2: that kind of thing, or or leaving a reliever in
Speaker 2: when you obviously had a left.
Speaker 1: Eye, very Mendoza like criticisms. Yes, it's good as you
Speaker 1: got to before.
Speaker 2: Remember, people who don't follow the Cubs calus, we might
Speaker 2: be surprised to you because council has a really good
Speaker 2: national reputation.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know Hubs fans since he's
Speaker 1: been there have have. Fans of the team are always
Speaker 1: about the manager more close.
Speaker 3: I thought you did fine last year in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: They were just kind of limited by.
Speaker 2: They had Yeah, well, Game one against Milwaukee boy Nico
Speaker 2: Horner committed air that blew the whole game up, and
Speaker 2: their whole pitching plan went to ship.
Speaker 1: Which also like again like they they very intentionally leaned
Speaker 1: into how good they're infield defense is. And so then
Speaker 1: you have Nico Horner, who's a superlative defender, make a mistake,
Speaker 1: and like, that's that's what happens in the playoffs, right
Speaker 1: every and you can't you can't plan for that, and
Speaker 1: you can't blame the manager for that. No, and you
Speaker 1: can't replace him either, right, Like it's not like, oh,
Speaker 1: he should have done something. No, you're gonna play Nico Horner.
Speaker 3: They just extended like three fifty this season.
Speaker 1: Yes, uh so. The NL Wild Card has three teams
Speaker 1: for two spots below the Cubs. The Diamondbacks and Phillies
Speaker 1: are tied at sixty three and fifty six, occupying the
Speaker 1: second and third spots. The Padres are one game out. Again,
Speaker 1: if you want to be kind to the Marlins and Cardinals,
Speaker 1: they're three and three and a half out.
Speaker 3: I don't like I think the teams are trying to
Speaker 3: Either of those teams are like good two weeks away
Speaker 3: from being back in it. I just don't know if
Speaker 3: they plan on having those good two weeks. Right, the
Speaker 3: Cardinals have actually played our right since the and they
Speaker 3: didn't like they traded Dustin May and Jojo Romero and
Speaker 3: they traded a ton Oh yeah, new Bar. But like
Speaker 3: they have, like they played half the season without new
Speaker 3: Bar and we're above five hundred, that's right, so I'd like,
Speaker 3: I think the Cardinals are just gonna I think at this.
Speaker 1: Point, the Cardinals are gonna keep on keeping on. And
Speaker 1: if they finished three and a half, three four games
Speaker 1: out of a playoff spot, that's.
Speaker 3: Just what they're gonna get, like eighty three wins, and
Speaker 3: I think the NL wild Card will be more than
Speaker 3: that at this point, right, Maybe not a lot more than.
Speaker 1: That, but yeah, I mean the Padres are a game back.
Speaker 1: Jackson Merril has woken up, ye Manny Machado is hitting
Speaker 1: a little bit more lately.
Speaker 3: I saw they fixed quote unquote their rotation at the deadline.
Speaker 3: We'll see how that.
Speaker 2: They continued their theme of picking up White Sox outcast
Speaker 2: by claiming Austin Hayes.
Speaker 1: I did uh, I did see. Mike Petriello noted Fernando
Speaker 1: Tatis adjusted his stance. Uh, he was. He was more
Speaker 1: closed off for the majority of the season. He's opened
Speaker 1: literally you can you can match up, like when his
Speaker 1: hot streak started, and it's when he started opening up
Speaker 1: his stance the way he used to.
Speaker 3: I think your hitting coach would be like paying attention
Speaker 3: to like looking at the video at that.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying don't close off and try and improve
Speaker 1: yourself or whatever. But also like he wasn't a bad
Speaker 1: hitter before, so I don't know why it was the
Speaker 1: power it was it was the weird lack of power. No, no, sorry,
Speaker 1: I meant like before this year, Like all he didn't
Speaker 1: have a lack of power before this year, So look,
Speaker 1: why were we messing with it? But yes, you're right,
Speaker 1: he wasn't hitting.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they're doing right, like they dis slowly start closing
Speaker 3: their stance and don't really Yeah, but again.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. But again that is to your point,
Speaker 1: like why is that not someone in the organization should
Speaker 1: be Look, let's go.
Speaker 3: See what's different because you haven't head a home run
Speaker 3: for two months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tatis, since the All Star break is three oh seven,
Speaker 2: four oh two, six oh two, he's been really good.
Speaker 2: I mean he's really good normally, but.
Speaker 1: Like that J.
Speaker 3: Frowler can't keep getting away with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here we are so so I guess it's not
Speaker 1: it's not exactly. I don't know if can you while
Speaker 1: I say this, Colin, can you pull up his numbers
Speaker 1: since June? Because in March, start of June, what's that
Speaker 1: since the start of June? Yeah, first of June. In
Speaker 1: March and April he was ten his stance angle was
Speaker 1: he was ten degrees open. In May he was fifteen
Speaker 1: degrees open, and starting in June he went to thirty
Speaker 1: six degrees open. Great, and he's been over thirty most
Speaker 1: of the time. In if you go to last year,
Speaker 1: it was anywhere between twenty six and fifty two.
Speaker 2: Since the start of June, he's a ninety seven, three,
Speaker 2: sixty three, five or four. Yeah, yeah, eight sixty seven.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the Fernando Tatis junior season basically.
Speaker 2: Yes, since the start of June, he had ten homers
Speaker 2: during that time. He's not running? Is he running as much?
Speaker 2: I think I saw his stolen bases were down or
Speaker 2: something like that. He's twelve of eighteen on stolen basis
Speaker 2: and it's not he leads the cost stealing.
Speaker 1: He maybe shouldn't run if he's twelve of eighteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he leads the league in cast stealings this year,
Speaker 2: which is saying something considering Chandler, something exists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the Pirates have faded. You know, we mentioned
Speaker 1: extending it out.
Speaker 3: To the Yeah, we have Cardinals fit further out now
Speaker 3: for the Pirates. Just last year, the.
Speaker 1: Pirates are five and a half fountain. Now, So I
Speaker 1: I talked to Hibout. I mean, I follow and and
Speaker 1: track a bunch of Pirates fans. Uh, not necessarily on purpose,
Speaker 1: but it just kind of happens. H Alex Kershner of
Speaker 1: Slate and Split Zone duo, he does a college football
Speaker 1: writing and podcasts. He he is a notable one. And
Speaker 1: I think he said this was like he listed out
Speaker 1: his least favorite Pirates teams, like of recent vintage, I guess,
Speaker 1: and he had this team at number one that like
Speaker 1: this was I saw, And I saw a conversation between
Speaker 1: him and Pat Lackey, which if people don't know, if
Speaker 1: if you were back on the blogs, way back is
Speaker 1: where have you gone? Andy Vance? Like gush and and
Speaker 1: Pat pointed out and I agree with him, like if
Speaker 1: you're not a Pirates fan. Yeh, you would say that's insane.
Speaker 3: With this season too, and I still don't understand it,
Speaker 3: Like what's that Mets fans are doing that with this
Speaker 3: season too, and I still don't understand it, Like you've
Speaker 3: just watched so much bad baseball. I mean I get
Speaker 3: the idea of like you had actual expectations. I don't
Speaker 3: know if Pirates fans showed out frankly, but maybe they did.
Speaker 3: And like the disappointment level, it's like you you care
Speaker 3: more if you have a bad meal like a Michelin
Speaker 3: Stard restaurant than a fast casual.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I think for Alex and I
Speaker 1: don't want to put words in his mouth, but my
Speaker 1: interpretation is you had hope right, Like this wasn't even
Speaker 1: necessarily entering the season with a ton of hope, but
Speaker 1: like they gave them so much hope early on sure
Speaker 1: only to have this collapse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean expectations. Expectations play a huge role in it.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's Craig, last year you talked how much
Speaker 2: how miserable the Dodgers made you that July I truly
Speaker 2: was basically all regular seas and you know, so just
Speaker 2: like extrapolate that down to based on various expectations of
Speaker 2: various franchises, and it makes sense. I mean, I'm experiencing
Speaker 2: the absolute flip of it last year. Like last year's
Speaker 2: White Sox were not miserable to me because they lost
Speaker 2: a hundred games, and I expected them to lose a
Speaker 2: hundred games. This year, they can do no wrong for
Speaker 2: me because they're having their season and you know, six
Speaker 2: years or whatever. It's so everything with any of these
Speaker 2: fan bases is expectations based. Maybe Pirates fans had higher
Speaker 2: expectations this year than they don't think.
Speaker 1: There's also I.
Speaker 3: Think there's also the idea that you've got like you've
Speaker 3: got the Paul Skins, TI can't clock here right where
Speaker 3: you Yeah. Yeah, he obviously hasn't been good, but you know,
Speaker 3: early on in the season he was good, Ashcraft was good,
Speaker 3: Mchinski was good, Keller was good Ish for like a
Speaker 3: little bit right. It was like a three and a
Speaker 3: half ur Ben there as he usually does in the
Speaker 3: first couple of months, and then like all the pitching's
Speaker 3: gone wrong and that's like more.
Speaker 1: The funny thing is that Bubba Chandler has kind of
Speaker 1: started his kind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like if the Pirates were going to be
Speaker 3: a playoff contender in the new year term, it was
Speaker 3: good to get the strength of these young arms. The
Speaker 3: fact that they've all not just schemes, they've all gone
Speaker 3: backwards a little bit, I think is more possibly more
Speaker 3: uh depressed.
Speaker 1: Well, and they came out they were hitting, they were
Speaker 1: really hitting as a team. And you know Nick Gonzalez
Speaker 1: in the Monitors right.
Speaker 3: Like Brandon Law has now gone back to just being
Speaker 3: Brandon Law. It is still an improvement over. Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: the medium and.
Speaker 1: Was improvement over Nick nzal Is the second basement, said
Speaker 1: of nicksal Is the third basement.
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a lot of there's a lot of Jared
Speaker 3: Triolo last weekend against the Mets too. It's still too
Speaker 3: much Jared Triollo.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So like as as Merlin Veldez, I think predictably came, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's under earth a little bit.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm as a I'm very impartial about
Speaker 2: the National League for the most part, the Pirates and
Speaker 2: they're they're an easy team to get behind if you're impartial,
Speaker 2: because they haven't been there in forever. Got a lot
Speaker 2: of fun young players, and I really liked. I mean
Speaker 2: really is relatively speaking, their deadline. I thought that addressing
Speaker 2: just taking a relievers approach to their deadline made sense. Ye, well,
Speaker 2: but they had they have such a small, small level
Speaker 2: of uh, what's the word I'm looking for the fact
Speaker 2: that they got that as soon as the trade deadline hit.
Speaker 2: They you know, sure, you lose three straight to the
Speaker 2: Brewers whatever, no one's going to fail you. And then
Speaker 2: you lose two or three to the Mats. Everyone's like, okay,
Speaker 2: well that's an issue. But you had no, no, no
Speaker 2: wiggle room to have a stretch like that, essentially, And
Speaker 2: they had a stretch like that at the worst possible time.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was really I don't think you
Speaker 2: could foresee it. It's just like it's bad variance kind
Speaker 2: of to a certain extent. But when your team is
Speaker 2: built this way, bad variants that the worst time is
Speaker 2: gonna sink you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also think like even the deadline, which I
Speaker 1: think they ultimately did just fine with, right, Like Luke
Speaker 1: Weaver is a great fit for what they needed. I
Speaker 1: think I had another year, Yeah, he gets another year,
Speaker 1: like Bacher is under control for multiple seasons and is fine.
Speaker 1: Like I think he's just fine. This is fine, and
Speaker 1: Kirby Yates it's fine. Yeah, sure, again an improvement over
Speaker 1: what they had in the middle innings.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 2: They've thrown Kirby Yates four times in the six days
Speaker 2: since they questioned Okay, I am not sure if he
Speaker 2: was not in the last.
Speaker 1: So the thing is though, that like they also did
Speaker 1: nothing the whole deadline until the very end when they
Speaker 1: got all those guys. So like they even in their
Speaker 1: adequacy at the deadline, they tortured their fans because for
Speaker 1: a lot of it it looked like they were doing nothing.
Speaker 1: They're gonna sit on their hand. They were going to
Speaker 1: sit on their hands and you know, while away the time.
Speaker 1: And again I'm gonna go back to what Pat said
Speaker 1: on this swhich is he said, to anyone who is
Speaker 1: not a Pirate fan, you'd look at this Pirate team
Speaker 1: and say, you know, they've come a long way in
Speaker 1: a year. They have significantly fewer parent holes to fill
Speaker 1: for next year than they did last winter. They can
Speaker 1: probably take one to two more cracks at this before
Speaker 1: the pitchers start leaving. And that is I think that
Speaker 1: is what someone who doesn't follow the team could look
Speaker 1: at them and say, look, this is a much better
Speaker 1: season than last year already, and at the same time,
Speaker 1: they're not far enough away from where they were to like,
Speaker 1: if you are closely following this team, it feels like
Speaker 1: a waste and at a.
Speaker 2: Certain point you get tired of the baby steps and
Speaker 2: you're ready for the leap, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and Pat especially, I think if you look
Speaker 1: at the White Sox, for example, who were one of
Speaker 1: the worst teams in baseball for years from multiple years,
Speaker 1: and then they're now leading the division. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're going to hold on that lead, and I
Speaker 1: don't know that they're really a better team than Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: but they are right, they are leading the division, they
Speaker 1: have a better record, Like it's it's you know. The problem.
Speaker 1: Pat also said, like the problem with the Pirates is
Speaker 1: you just never know if any given seventy nine win
Speaker 1: team will be the best team you're going to see
Speaker 1: for a decade. Yeah, And that is the urgency behind
Speaker 1: this frustration. Whereas to your point about expectations, like the
Speaker 1: White Sox are coming off multiple hundred loss plus lost
Speaker 1: seasons and like this, even if the White Sox are.
Speaker 3: You don't mean to downplay being a White Sox fan
Speaker 3: because it sucks, but they're not compared to like a
Speaker 3: Pirate they were in the playoffs five years ago. Like
Speaker 3: the Pirates has been like cool, but.
Speaker 1: Like coming from the where they came from, Like if
Speaker 1: they blow the division or you're going to be happy
Speaker 1: for the times that you had this year, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be happy for Murakami and Vargas and they're also the most.
Speaker 3: Making the wild Card is like a game under five
Speaker 3: hundred right now.
Speaker 1: But I don't like I'm I mean, we talked.
Speaker 2: I had a lot of conversations with White Sox fans
Speaker 2: for the season about you know, if they won.
Speaker 1: There was there was joke. There was a joke at the.
Speaker 2: White Sox fan fest before the season the White Sox
Speaker 2: improved by twenty wins last year. They went from forty wins,
Speaker 2: forty one wins to sixty one wins, right, and Chris
Speaker 2: get They're like, what's the expectation after that? And he goes,
Speaker 2: how about we improved by twenty more wins And everyone's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, that's insane. Also, that would just make
Speaker 2: them a five hundred team, you know, but everyone everyone
Speaker 2: like pie in the sky. They're like that's never gonna happen.
Speaker 2: If they finished five hundred, I'll be over the moon,
Speaker 2: and obviously they have blown.
Speaker 1: And they might and they might win the division with it.
Speaker 2: Yes, the thing about the Pirates, I think what I'm
Speaker 2: what I'm guessing Pat's point here is to a certain extent,
Speaker 2: and again I don't want to put words in his
Speaker 2: mouth either, is that. Yes, you you don't know when
Speaker 2: the seventy nine win team is going to You don't
Speaker 2: know that if that's going to be the peak of
Speaker 2: this current window. But at a certain point, especially after
Speaker 2: eleven twelve straight years of not making the playoffs, you
Speaker 2: don't want to be treated like the little brother anymore.
Speaker 2: Like the Pirates finished close to five hundred and everyone was, Oh,
Speaker 2: that's cute.
Speaker 1: You guys tried. That was nice.
Speaker 2: So you had a nice little season. You want to
Speaker 2: start behaving like a grown up. You want to start
Speaker 2: sitting at the adult table, and you get tired of it,
Speaker 2: like this is the year we're going to get treated
Speaker 2: with respect, and it's some like bullshit.
Speaker 1: I think what you're saying right now is Alex's point. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, yeah, well so
Speaker 1: you were saying, like Patt and alex have a slight disagreement,
Speaker 1: but like alex Is is saying, like, you know, as
Speaker 1: he said, like I disliked the conjob years, like he
Speaker 1: felt like they might have been something and then they
Speaker 1: turned into the Pirates. Yeah, yeah, and that feels for
Speaker 1: him worse than years where he could just check out, we've.
Speaker 3: Done the frisky thing like for like four years running
Speaker 3: now because they've had aprils.
Speaker 1: Like but normally it's over in April.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Yes, It's like the old old old Royals,
Speaker 2: like early two thousand Royals thing where everyone would just
Speaker 2: count the days until Joe Posnanski wrote his the column
Speaker 2: and how early in the year it would come in
Speaker 2: the Kansas City start.
Speaker 3: I don't have a ton of faith in either the
Speaker 3: Pirates or the White Sox front offices, but I do
Speaker 3: like the White Sox, like specific hitting breakouts. To me,
Speaker 3: this year feel more sustainable.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying I guess that's such good things
Speaker 1: about Ryan Fuller.
Speaker 3: It's like I'm not saying Miguel Vargas will keep exactly
Speaker 3: this up next year, right, but I have more confidence
Speaker 3: in him doing that than like Nick Gonzalez. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: at the same thirty two year old Brian Reynolds, right, like.
Speaker 2: The White Socks have the Miguel Vargas is to point to,
Speaker 2: which help offset the fact that like, Okay, yeah, Tristan
Speaker 2: Peter's first half was probably an aberration, you know, like and.
Speaker 3: Like like, I don't think Major Oath is quite this good,
Speaker 3: but I think I'll have seasons like this like this
Speaker 3: probably and is probably about this good, right, Coulson Montgomery, Look,
Speaker 3: there's gonna be some risks that you're going to get
Speaker 3: at Coulson Montgomery hits one eighty season in here.
Speaker 1: It's a lot more youth driven.
Speaker 3: It's a lot more driven by it, like Spencer Horror.
Speaker 3: It's just like the young and also but like.
Speaker 2: But like Antonacci in particular, that is like a that
Speaker 2: is not the type of player the White Sox of
Speaker 2: teams past.
Speaker 3: No, we've made like he is an on base percentage
Speaker 3: over three twenty, so like yeah, but like a.
Speaker 2: But like a grindy fifth rounder who finds his way
Speaker 2: in the majors and has immediate success. Like well, the
Speaker 2: joke we make, we're like, we're like that dude should
Speaker 2: be playing for the Cardinals, like that's the kind of guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Chris, Chris thinks he was this kind of guy,
Speaker 3: but wasn't that good? That good? Like, so he tries
Speaker 3: to get these guys, but you end up getting like
Speaker 3: the Nikki lopezz instead of the Sam Antonacci's when you
Speaker 3: do that, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, so I don't know. I mean, I yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave the Pirates on this. I apologize for
Speaker 1: reading so many of Pat's uh posts, but I do
Speaker 1: I have to. This is Alex is angry, and I
Speaker 1: think Pat is just depressed and accepting it.
Speaker 3: So I will leave it with this the two Pirates fans,
Speaker 3: he said.
Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing with you that I hate the stupid
Speaker 1: Pirates team a lot. Every time Nick Gonzalez boots the ball,
Speaker 1: I feel like I have to go to the eye
Speaker 1: doctor to get my eye pressure checked. I just think
Speaker 1: that's more or less an optimal outcome. On that note,
Speaker 1: we can leave the Pirates just as their wild card
Speaker 1: picture is leaving them and go over to the AO.
Speaker 1: My question to you guys is are the Tigers just
Speaker 1: a favorite for the Wildcard three at this time? I mean,
Speaker 1: I I there one game back of Texas.
Speaker 3: They have no teams in Texas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have no teams between That's that's an important caveat.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're only like a half game ahead of
Speaker 3: the Twins and the Rangers, but they have no are
Speaker 3: sorry the Twins in the and.
Speaker 1: A game and only a game ahead of my my
Speaker 1: Baltimore Orioles. Yes, we talked.
Speaker 2: We talked when we were talking about the Red Sox,
Speaker 2: we talked about you, you know, the schedule, and you
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of tough opponents, and you can
Speaker 2: only play the team in front of you, the Tigers.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then the Tigers run differential, the Tiger's run differential,
Speaker 2: and every team has a stretch like this. The White
Speaker 2: Sox got the run differential when they beat the Royals
Speaker 2: twenty two to one a few months ago. The Tigers
Speaker 2: have played their last three series against the Athletics, Mariners,
Speaker 2: and Giants. They have won games by scores of eleven
Speaker 2: to nothing, eleven to nothing, thirteen to one, fourteen to nothing, which, hey,
Speaker 2: you got to put up those runs, right, and you
Speaker 2: can only face who's.
Speaker 1: Them from the Athletics kill the Red Sox.
Speaker 2: So Yeah, but also going back further with Detroit. As
Speaker 2: I was doing, they went, let me find I just
Speaker 2: headed up. They went six and twenty two in the
Speaker 2: month of May. Right, there were sixteen games under five
Speaker 2: hundred in the month of May. They since then, they're
Speaker 2: playing at a six twenty winning percentage since the start
Speaker 2: of Gin.
Speaker 1: And it's not just since then, it's before. I think
Speaker 1: I saw this from Joe Sheian, so I apologize if
Speaker 1: it's not Himry. Outside of June, they've been the best
Speaker 1: team in baseball, well outside of May. May. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I apologize that could be.
Speaker 2: I mean, if that they played sixteen games and there
Speaker 2: are two games under five hundred on the season, then
Speaker 2: that's very very possible. They still have a good team
Speaker 2: even without Scooble and without Myz. Some of their hitters
Speaker 2: are starting to hit. We talked before recording about Tyler Holton,
Speaker 2: who's not an ACE but is very good or not.
Speaker 3: Troy Melton Melton, we talked about Troy meltont it.
Speaker 1: Yes, we got to.
Speaker 2: We talked about Troy Melton and how he's very good
Speaker 2: even if he might be an ACE yet, much to
Speaker 2: the consternation of some people.
Speaker 3: I know, Yeah, I mean, look, they don't have to
Speaker 3: be even after the school. In my astral like, they
Speaker 3: don't have to be great, they just have to be
Speaker 3: better than these other five hundred. They don't have to
Speaker 3: go on a Red Sox like run to get back
Speaker 3: in it. Right, if they play five to ten games
Speaker 3: over five hundred the rest of the way, which is
Speaker 3: like probably like about a six hundred winning percentage when
Speaker 3: the division when when the division, but they're certaly gonna
Speaker 3: be the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the White Sox have played five in
Speaker 2: the same span since I think the beginning of June.
Speaker 2: The White Sox have been about a five hundred team
Speaker 2: and they and their division lead has grown during that
Speaker 2: time over team like Cleveland and Minnesota. But Detroit has
Speaker 2: come back to it because Detroit once upon a time
Speaker 2: was uh much further back.
Speaker 3: At the.
Speaker 1: Start of July, they were.
Speaker 2: Nine games out in this division. I don't know what
Speaker 2: they were at the wild card, but they just keep
Speaker 2: hanging around. They have an opportunity to go on a run.
Speaker 2: This week is huge for them. They play their home
Speaker 2: their home against Cleveland and then the White Sox.
Speaker 3: Right, they could be in I guess they could. They
Speaker 3: could technically be in first place by the end, now
Speaker 3: could they They could.
Speaker 1: Could probably Yeah, they're three and a half back, so all.
Speaker 3: Right, so they could technically be in first place by
Speaker 3: the end of the week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not even technically, I mean they yeah, they could.
Speaker 3: Be in first place by the end of the week. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't like again they you look at this team. Yes,
Speaker 3: not Havingny schoopl in MI is the big deal. But
Speaker 3: like the offensive core is like the McGonagall green Dingler
Speaker 3: cores like and now now they have now Clark, now
Speaker 3: Max Clark from hitting seventh, but.
Speaker 1: They're partially being powered by a as Merlin is. It
Speaker 1: was it as Merlin Valdez for the Pirates, who was
Speaker 1: going yeah, yeah, from Eduardo Valencia.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's part of Valencia in.
Speaker 1: Fifteen games is hitting three ninety four nineteen eight oh five.
Speaker 3: To point out eleven to one strikeout to Walker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm not again, I'm compared to Merlin Valdez
Speaker 1: for a reason.
Speaker 3: I mean, Mountain has been good, like kider Monte, like
Speaker 3: kider Mantero hasn't been quite this good, but like he's
Speaker 3: also been close enough to this good. Unlike the underlying
Speaker 3: that it might work. They started Drew Anderson a couple
Speaker 3: of times like they are. I think they are actually
Speaker 3: a joke. Jackson joke came back pitched five good things,
Speaker 3: So they are. I think they are going to struggle
Speaker 3: a little bit to fill out the once every five
Speaker 3: every five days of the rotation. But look, they are
Speaker 3: comfortable doing like Henches comfortable doing pitching case us. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, well and they hope River Ryan gets healthy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can like two years ago, two years ago,
Speaker 2: Hinch pulled all the right strings with pitching chaos right
Speaker 2: when they went on that hot second half run. Last year,
Speaker 2: he pulled all the wrong strings with pitching chaos this year.
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone has faith that he can pull
Speaker 2: the right strings because their bullpen is.
Speaker 3: Gonna be a lot of time Madden and Drew Anderson.
Speaker 1: Yes, a lot of the guy really try melting up
Speaker 1: with Tyler Houlton.
Speaker 3: They are really really missing, and I mean this sincerely,
Speaker 3: they are really missing a healthy brand Hurder because he
Speaker 3: is like the key to their pitching chaos because he
Speaker 3: can just come in and pitch three innings with a
Speaker 3: lefty right.
Speaker 2: I mean that's what they're going to try to do.
Speaker 2: I think probably down the stretch with Kider Montero if
Speaker 2: they but they might need too much just.
Speaker 3: Throw six innings right like they don't. Yeah, because there's another.
Speaker 2: Anderson, the guy they kind of have used as their
Speaker 2: swing man. I think Time Madden might end up being
Speaker 2: their swing man. And yeah, I mean I don't think
Speaker 2: it is is flair do you do back? Or is
Speaker 2: he like done for the season. I'm not really sure.
Speaker 2: It's never blander Jack clarerty yeah, l yeah, I literally
Speaker 2: forgot that.
Speaker 1: He was there.
Speaker 3: I did forget he was here.
Speaker 2: Clark also raises their floor a lot defensive, like whatever
Speaker 2: they were getting offensively out of like the Matt Verlings
Speaker 2: and winsiel Press of the world. I'm sure Clark it
Speaker 2: was not a ton either. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that
Speaker 2: Clark also provides a huge defensive upgrade if he's living
Speaker 2: up to the billing there. I was wondering, Jeffrey, maybe
Speaker 2: you can speak more on this. They did promote uh
Speaker 2: Brisanno to triple A. I don't know if that's a
Speaker 2: guy who's close enough that he would provide.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's missed a lot of time this year, but yeah,
Speaker 3: it was like a catcher first base dhis he's not
Speaker 3: going to catch a ton over dangling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would, just especially down the stretch, he would
Speaker 2: probably if they called him up, you know, just for
Speaker 2: to get a hot month out of him or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's been hitting the cover off the
Speaker 3: ball since he's been back, but he has He's had
Speaker 3: a lot of injuries over the years too, I guess.
Speaker 3: So they'll play it how it how it lies. Craig,
Speaker 3: is it time? Can we see Sawyer Gibson long again?
Speaker 1: Is it is it time?
Speaker 3: Is he he's got like a five r this year?
Speaker 1: But then yeah, I think we can see. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: don't have they don't have a lot of options. I mean,
Speaker 1: they they could really use a healthy river they could.
Speaker 1: So the question, I guess, I think the looming question here,
Speaker 1: and we don't have to go super deep on it,
Speaker 1: but like, should they have just kept Schoomel? Yes, I
Speaker 1: said that so, Like, I mean that was my argument
Speaker 1: at the time. They've always been the better.
Speaker 3: Team, right, and they're still kind of the better team,
Speaker 3: but less of the better team.
Speaker 1: And if they go on to make the playoffs win
Speaker 1: the division, does that vindicate Scott Harris or does it?
Speaker 3: Don't think it does because then you're looking at it
Speaker 3: will but it shouldn't. This would happened, This would have
Speaker 3: happened anyway. We would have had Terrek Scoogle starting multiple
Speaker 3: games for us in playoff series.
Speaker 2: The thing, and we don't need to re litigate this
Speaker 2: too much because you guys talked for seven and a
Speaker 2: half hours about the trade deadline last week. The thing
Speaker 2: that I thought from day one when the Tigers went
Speaker 2: in the tank to start the season is that I'm
Speaker 2: blaming his name, Ilich the owner. I think he was
Speaker 2: going to come up with every excuse possible to trade
Speaker 2: Trek Scouble. I think outside of actively being in a
Speaker 2: playoff position, they were going to trade him ever since
Speaker 2: the arbitration mess of last winter, like that relationship at
Speaker 2: Gonzosur that he's like he wanted an excuse to trade
Speaker 2: him and he found one even shouldn't have done.
Speaker 1: That was how I felt too. I did reading some
Speaker 1: of the the breakdowns of their deadline it. Did you
Speaker 1: know they did bring up McGonagall, Yeah, immediately, so like Medialy,
Speaker 1: I don't know that they That to me was like
Speaker 1: a sign that maybe they didn't want to trade him.
Speaker 3: Right, well, they're going to get it. They're going to
Speaker 3: end be getting a Pepi pick for that.
Speaker 1: They will, right, there are multiples there.
Speaker 3: Will I mean, I will say this like the thing
Speaker 3: that bothered me, like obviously there were extension conversations that
Speaker 3: didn't go well even even before the arbitration stup. And yes,
Speaker 3: you just got borist client. Like there's also this sort
Speaker 3: of since the kids took over, like the Tigers have
Speaker 3: to act like this. They don't. They never had to before.
Speaker 3: They were one of the big market, big spending teams,
Speaker 3: and they made the playoffs a lot, and they made
Speaker 3: some world serious.
Speaker 1: Yes they can trade it sticks with you from when
Speaker 1: the dollars right, like, yes, they so much of that
Speaker 1: was driven by bye Mike Ilich wanting to win a
Speaker 1: World Series before he died. Yeah, but they also say
Speaker 1: it's just inheriting the team, you know, Mike, and I
Speaker 1: guess the difference is like Chris Ilich also inherited a
Speaker 1: bunch of other businesses, so he's not like this is
Speaker 1: the Steinbrenners. But there's a lot of the Steinbrenner behavior happening,
Speaker 1: as like someone who didn't build, who didn't build and
Speaker 1: and or buy and then build the team out right,
Speaker 1: which which your heart isn't in it the way your
Speaker 1: dad was. Your dad's heart was in it. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: and so they see it as something to preserve, whereas
Speaker 1: I think, you know, George.
Speaker 3: And Mike, to generate this amount of revenue and this
Speaker 3: amount of profit every year, right, they're.
Speaker 1: Trying to conserve and preserve right like they're there. That's
Speaker 1: where they and a lot of these kids make money,
Speaker 1: the kids who inherit make their money on the team,
Speaker 1: and so they they view it differently than like their parents,
Speaker 1: who you know four because he made his money somewhere else.
Speaker 3: A four hundred million dollars Google contract could go real bad.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, But like.
Speaker 1: I mean, the extension was the trade was one thing.
Speaker 1: The extension was also.
Speaker 2: I think, I think, and this is no, I don't
Speaker 2: know how much this actually matters, Like I deal with
Speaker 2: that with this with my team, with the Ryans, with
Speaker 2: the Rhyan Starfs owning the Bulls in addition to the
Speaker 2: White Sox, but like Felich is also owned the Red Wings.
Speaker 2: Detroit is much more of a hockey town than it
Speaker 2: is a baseball town. Like that might be where your
Speaker 2: area of focused like that, this just might be what
Speaker 2: you care more about is the hockey team. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what little Caesar Stock is doing right now, but.
Speaker 1: Norr.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean just going back to this season,
Speaker 2: like I've thought Detroit was the most talented team in
Speaker 2: this division all year. I thought, even from the moment
Speaker 2: they traded Schoobles, like this team still might be good
Speaker 2: enough to win this division.
Speaker 1: I mean again, Patrick has said this before, and I
Speaker 1: think he's right. I think they traded him as early
Speaker 1: as they did because they were two and a half
Speaker 1: out and I think they could have been half a
Speaker 1: game out and they're going to be close to I
Speaker 1: mean like it's all play as.
Speaker 3: We got to do something fast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think maybe truth serumed Scott Harris he would
Speaker 2: not have traded Trek School if it was up to him.
Speaker 1: I think it was. So you think that's from from ownership,
Speaker 1: I do. I think it was.
Speaker 2: It was they, you know, it was what was the
Speaker 2: arbitration difference, like eighteen million versus thirty two million or
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 1: I think he wanted.
Speaker 2: I think they were first of all pissed at schoobl
Speaker 2: that relationship had gone to shit, and Ilich was counting
Speaker 2: on uh saving whatever money whatever do.
Speaker 1: That's the thing to go back to that they hurt themselves,
Speaker 1: not that nine and a half million dollars or whatever
Speaker 1: remain on his deal was a real hurdle for anyone
Speaker 1: we saw. Milwaukee would have taken it on whatever. But
Speaker 1: by being a file and trial team and filing at
Speaker 1: such an absurdly low number.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think you have to remember that.
Speaker 3: Trying to make a statement here too, right, being a.
Speaker 1: Pending free agent, he got to compare himself to Zach Wheeler, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Zach Wheeler has no sign youngs and Trek Scooble.
Speaker 2: Has two yeah, story making to the hearing, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And Wheelers making forty two million a year yeah on
Speaker 1: his extension. Yeah, like you you're never going to win
Speaker 1: that watch.
Speaker 3: One and he's making high thirties too, I think so
Speaker 3: who sorry, Verry Cole only has one and he's making
Speaker 3: high thirties.
Speaker 1: Right, So you like getting to compare yourself to if
Speaker 1: that's just such an own goal and it has come
Speaker 1: back to be essentially a second one in my Again,
Speaker 1: they did great, to be clear, but like if they
Speaker 1: had settled instead by being a file and trial team
Speaker 1: and lowballing him. If they had settled in the twenties.
Speaker 3: See, I don't think Boris and School would have settled.
Speaker 1: Maybe not.
Speaker 3: I think they wanted to set the.
Speaker 1: Maybe not, but okay, But then if they had filed
Speaker 1: the relationships twenty five, I might have won.
Speaker 3: I think the league didn't want him to file at
Speaker 3: twenty five because that would have been too high number. Interesting,
Speaker 3: everybody has like weird incentive structures here, right that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I'm just saying it difficult find a number.
Speaker 1: If there were four million left on the deals, you
Speaker 1: could potentially squeeze out another prospect. I guess.
Speaker 3: I don't that really it's five million is real money.
Speaker 1: About it? But you could demand it, sure, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just think that was such a such a mistake
Speaker 1: that has come back over and over. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do we want to go through the other al central
Speaker 1: team or a bad look.
Speaker 3: We're going to have to talk about the wild cards
Speaker 3: a lot down the stretch. I'm not happy about it,
Speaker 3: as I put in the last bullet here, Oh go ahead,
Speaker 3: yeah yeah. Like so last night, the Sunday Night NBC
Speaker 3: Slash Peacock game was the San Diego Padres against the
Speaker 3: Houston Astros Christian Javier against Randy Vasquez. And this is
Speaker 3: an important baseball game. Are we all lesser for this?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it's the.
Speaker 2: Seventh baseball you may be entitled the financial compensation.
Speaker 3: The seventh playoff team is becoming a bit of a problem.
Speaker 1: Wait till they expand it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see that's say.
Speaker 1: Wait, yeah, they want more. They got to get up
Speaker 1: to the NBA NHL.
Speaker 3: I guess it's good for content for the show since
Speaker 3: we just sad like forty five minutes on it.
Speaker 1: But I don't know what.
Speaker 3: We're all miserable when not happy about it.
Speaker 1: It's just like, don't, like, you know, don't do this
Speaker 1: to pirates fans. Don't that they're not going to make Yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Does make it.
Speaker 1: Don't do that.
Speaker 3: That's me, like, you see how that's.
Speaker 2: Worse the the the White Sox retired oz Gien's number
Speaker 2: over the weekend. It was a very big deal, obviously,
Speaker 2: and uh James Svegan, in his article for Soxs Machine
Speaker 2: pointed out that if the playoff format today was what
Speaker 2: it was when oz Gien was manager, he would have
Speaker 2: made the playoffs I think every season except one, maybe
Speaker 2: two of his White Sox tenure, like you could just
Speaker 2: you could.
Speaker 1: It affects.
Speaker 2: I mean, it changes how you view you know, like
Speaker 2: legacies or like organizational success or whatever.
Speaker 1: Interesting to think about. Yeah, we'll go to our fourth
Speaker 1: segment around the horn, speaking of legacies and long time
Speaker 1: front office folks with a team that is fired David Force, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean twenty five years something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Ken Rosenstall makes it wanted to make it
Speaker 3: really clear with a firing. Someone else wanted to make
Speaker 3: it very clear that it was a firing and not
Speaker 3: mutual party in the ways.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess see a report that said it was
Speaker 1: maybe a mutual partner of ways, and then I saw Ken's.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, there's there was a report that Force didn't
Speaker 3: want to move to Vegas basically, uh huh, which maybe yeah,
Speaker 3: fair enough. I guess I wouldn't particularly want to live
Speaker 3: in Vegas year round either, or at least like basically
Speaker 3: all summer. Frankly, Uh yeah, I don't know what these
Speaker 3: are going to do next.
Speaker 1: It'll be.
Speaker 3: I guess they've been disappointing this year. Obviously, they were
Speaker 3: kind of around the a wildcard race, that is to say,
Speaker 3: around five hundred for a while. But also none of
Speaker 3: this I think, particularly having that pitching have to pitch
Speaker 3: an entire summer in that stadium is eventually going to
Speaker 3: wear you down. And they've had some injuries in the
Speaker 3: lineup as well, most notably Nick Kurtz, So it's not
Speaker 3: really a surprise they faded. I also don't know what.
Speaker 1: They team described the move as mutual.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know if somebody.
Speaker 1: League sources who I'm going to guess who I'm going
Speaker 1: to guess are either David Forst or friends of David Forst. Yeah,
Speaker 1: are saying it was a fiery.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like God, I's the guess with what
Speaker 3: they're sort of like, they're theoretically like a season plus
Speaker 3: away from moving in their new stadium in Vegas. Are
Speaker 3: they going to start changing how they operate? Are they
Speaker 3: going to try to ramp up? I mean, are they
Speaker 3: going to get a different GM that's going to I
Speaker 3: don't know, Craigs.
Speaker 1: They're doing that to they Again, they made this move
Speaker 1: explicitly to lock in a small market and to get
Speaker 1: revenue share out of out of it. Because they get
Speaker 1: to lock it in. Yeah, they'll do I think they're
Speaker 1: suddenly going to behave differently.
Speaker 3: And look, it's entirely possible they're selling. They're playing on
Speaker 3: selling this team once they get settled in there after
Speaker 3: the first year for profit.
Speaker 1: Maybe the first year they spend a lot, they may
Speaker 1: do like a fast stile.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jeffrey Lauria that one year with the new stadium
Speaker 3: in Miami exactly.
Speaker 2: I found I found the timing of this move interesting.
Speaker 2: Four days after the trade deadline, and they were they
Speaker 2: were the I think like the least active team. They
Speaker 2: think they traded Colby Thomas and that was there and they.
Speaker 1: Had a lot ye, not that they what at the
Speaker 1: last second.
Speaker 2: That was not that they had a lot to sell.
Speaker 2: I just that interesting that they like you see this
Speaker 2: sometimes with whether it's around the draft, which we saw
Speaker 2: like last year with the Nationals right right before the
Speaker 2: draft when they fired Rizzo mm HM and uh our
Speaker 2: teams firing their manager general manager right before or after
Speaker 2: the trade deadline. It's like, why why let force run
Speaker 2: the trade deadline?
Speaker 3: There's no good time to do it in season?
Speaker 1: Really? Yeah, Well, because also if you if you fire
Speaker 1: him unless you have a hire right and if you're
Speaker 1: you're just letting his lieutenant do it.
Speaker 3: If you're firing him on May fifteenth, why did you
Speaker 3: let him start the season if you're firing him a
Speaker 3: month later while it's too close to the draft and
Speaker 3: the dead.
Speaker 1: Because on May fifteenth, maybe you get Chad Tracy into
Speaker 1: the job. Yeah. I don't know. No, it's there's no
Speaker 1: good time. Yeah, certainly, but yeah, uh. We have some
Speaker 1: White White Sox news. They called up Hagen Smith and
Speaker 1: m or McDougall.
Speaker 3: You know their first name's not correct.
Speaker 1: I do, well, so Jeff's I had to ask Jeff.
Speaker 1: I got a call up from from the which we
Speaker 1: ran on the site, which only referred to them by
Speaker 1: their last names, and I was like, which Smith is
Speaker 1: a McDougall. I would have figured, but I was like,
Speaker 1: what's what Smith? Is this? What am I doing? And
Speaker 1: it's just out of laziness, I asked Jeff instead of
Speaker 1: going to look up do.
Speaker 2: A call up for the White Sox bringing back opening
Speaker 2: day starter Shane Smith.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I didn't think it was Shane, but I
Speaker 1: was just you know, I was like, I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't know I had missed.
Speaker 3: Anyway anyway, Hagan Smith, I mean he Hagan Smith got right.
Speaker 3: We didn't talk about the White Fox did end up
Speaker 3: taking Like I guess this could have gone on a
Speaker 3: wild card chat. The White Thox did end up taking
Speaker 3: two of three, and the Guardians they haven't really bounced back,
Speaker 3: but we did get uh the first time at a
Speaker 3: long time. I remember, and unintended pitching change because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that wasn't on the rundown on Friday night. That
Speaker 2: was almost and it kind of uh. Nick Schaeff and
Speaker 2: I were talking about this.
Speaker 1: They h it may have been, it may have saved,
Speaker 1: it may have helped them that night. They didn't end
Speaker 1: up winning.
Speaker 2: Look great, Noah Schultz was probably a batter or two
Speaker 2: from having to leave the game anyway.
Speaker 3: Right, well, I think Sandlin was technically starting to get loose.
Speaker 2: Alrighty, Yeah, but he had to hurry because it wasn't
Speaker 2: like an injury thing where they were getting ultimate unlimited time.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they I was kind of paying
Speaker 3: attention to the broadcast I was watching, like did they
Speaker 3: just like forget to bring out the trainer because that happened,
Speaker 3: Like if you bring out the trainer, it's fine, you
Speaker 3: can do it X round is it?
Speaker 1: But I got in my car.
Speaker 2: I was I was going somewhere at right when this happened,
Speaker 2: and Len Casper and Darren Jackson were very confused. While
Speaker 2: Venable walks out onto the field, I think it's is
Speaker 2: it when you crossed the foul line?
Speaker 3: When you crossed the foul line? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And right after that he like turned back the
Speaker 2: dogor because someone yelled at him, like hey yeah, Stephen
Speaker 2: Vote immediately thought and.
Speaker 3: Then they originally that he had to pitch to the batter,
Speaker 3: and they did, and then they changed they changed it.
Speaker 3: They got on the phone in the yard.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand it was the second.
Speaker 3: It was the second the second mound then, But it
Speaker 3: was weird that the manager went out too, like why
Speaker 3: wouldn't you send the pitching coach out? And the pitching
Speaker 3: coach would say, I've already gone out. I can't go
Speaker 3: out again, right. It was very weird.
Speaker 1: I did just in the in the Diamondback series the Dodgers,
Speaker 1: Mark Pryor like sat leaning against the like the fence
Speaker 1: because he wanted to go out, but he was like waiting.
Speaker 1: He had to like get the attention of the to
Speaker 1: be like can I go or is it a second?
Speaker 1: Because I think they went out. Maybe I don't it
Speaker 1: might have been a trainer situation or whatever, but like
Speaker 1: he was and he frankly seemed to put out about it,
Speaker 1: but he was like, can I go please? Or is it?
Speaker 2: But they were worried it was going to be a
Speaker 2: second Yeah, I remember there being the only other time
Speaker 2: I can remember this happening. And I don't remember the
Speaker 2: team or the manager, but it was like they did
Speaker 2: a mound visit and then the manager walked off the
Speaker 2: field and then turn around.
Speaker 1: Jim Tree with the Dodgers. With the Dodgers, Jim Tracy
Speaker 1: did crossed the foul line and then turned around to
Speaker 1: say something and walks back towards and it was the
Speaker 1: second They counted it as the second visit.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Hagen Smith also came in that was more of
Speaker 3: a planned bullpen game.
Speaker 1: I assume what is functionally the difference between Smith.
Speaker 3: I mean somebody posted in the discord that like, oh,
Speaker 3: the Hagen Smith debut is going on exactly how I expected.
Speaker 3: My follow up without looking at the game was how
Speaker 3: many walks? And then I went to the game and
Speaker 3: it was I think three strikeouts and four walks and
Speaker 3: two innings. I'm like about right, It's about right.
Speaker 1: Incredible.
Speaker 3: I have spent a lot of time over the last
Speaker 3: three years, I guess now talking to Nick Schaeffer about
Speaker 3: the Hagen Smith pick, which has really been therapy sessions
Speaker 3: for Nick Schaeffer about the Hagen Smith I shouldn't Colin
Speaker 3: has had that experience as well. Look, he was considered
Speaker 3: to be the second best pitching prospect in the college
Speaker 3: arm in that draft, behind Chase Burns. Some people even
Speaker 3: had it one A and one B. We were not
Speaker 3: one of them. And like, the complete collapse of the
Speaker 3: control is not per se foreseeable, but you know, this
Speaker 3: was a college performer whose stuff wasn't quite as good
Speaker 3: as the performance either.
Speaker 1: I find it interesting.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have talked about this
Speaker 2: or you've written about it or discussed it at all. Jeffrey,
Speaker 2: how much prospect development has changed, where so many conclusions
Speaker 2: can be or have been drawn just two years after
Speaker 2: their draft year like to just two years later, and
Speaker 2: like everyone from that top ten has debuted, except it
Speaker 2: was like Charlie Comden or something like that, or everyone.
Speaker 1: From the top eight.
Speaker 2: And like, I'm not any more optimistic about Hagen Smith
Speaker 2: than you.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can the other cliff of this, especially
Speaker 3: with her pictures. This can als, this can change and
Speaker 3: one good offseason where he yeah, fixes and this always
Speaker 3: get fixed. But I think the specific problem here is,
Speaker 3: like his slider really doesn't work as anything other than
Speaker 3: a chase pitch, and college hitters are going to chase
Speaker 3: that slider, especially when you have ninety five to the
Speaker 3: major league hitters are like, all right, throw your slider
Speaker 3: for a strike, buddy, Like I can see Firmer spin,
Speaker 3: Like like he's still going to get strike out. It's
Speaker 3: a good slider, but like he doesn't really have this
Speaker 3: stuff that's going to get swing and miss in the
Speaker 3: zone the same way Chase Burns does that. That's what
Speaker 3: kind of what we see. Because command is chase is
Speaker 3: what I like to say. Yeah, like command is chased.
Speaker 3: Like if you're the the best pitchers in baseball do
Speaker 3: not have very high zone percentages. They very high strike percentages,
Speaker 3: but they do not have very high zone percentages. Clayton
Speaker 3: Kershaw is a classic example of this, Like, because command
Speaker 3: is the ability to throw pitches that look like strikes
Speaker 3: sometimes just to spit your fast but what you want.
Speaker 3: But it's also to throw pitches that look like strikes.
Speaker 1: Well you have to be able to spot. You spot
Speaker 1: your fastball where you want so that you can then go.
Speaker 1: They have to respect it, right, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: this is the classic problem with we were just talking
Speaker 1: about it with someone else, but but you know, bias
Speaker 1: being what it is. I'll go back to Sasaki, right,
Speaker 1: like he had the forkball. Yeah, and it was a
Speaker 1: good pitch. It looks like a strike for a long time.
Speaker 1: But if you fall behind every time, then no one
Speaker 1: has to respect it. And then so they can just wait.
Speaker 1: They'll they'll say like okay, I'll take it. And if
Speaker 1: it ends up being a strike, like fine, because you
Speaker 1: can't normally throw a strike anyway. Patrick Patrick was talking
Speaker 1: about God it was at the trade deadline, but like
Speaker 1: the guy threw no first pitch strikes right, and it
Speaker 1: became like a real problem.
Speaker 3: And like Smith, like he's had injuries to which can
Speaker 3: also happen to your pitching prospects, and like I think
Speaker 3: he's still a fine pitching prospect, but he's like mcdugo
Speaker 3: might be better at this point. I know he's been
Speaker 3: injured this year. They say that they're just bringing him
Speaker 3: up as a reliever at this point.
Speaker 1: Both guys are coming up as relievers, and that makes.
Speaker 3: Sense that they're probably on innings counts as well. McDougall
Speaker 3: has been injured this year. I like McDougall airing and
Speaker 3: stuff out in one to two winnings. I think he's
Speaker 3: he might be more likely to be a starter long
Speaker 3: term than Smith at this point, but this all has
Speaker 3: time to lay out, and.
Speaker 2: The Hagen Smith we don't need to spend that much
Speaker 2: more time on this. But a lot of the Higgen
Speaker 2: Smith criticism is that three of the next four picks
Speaker 2: were kagli On Weather, Holt and Connor Griffin.
Speaker 3: Yes, which he hastortifically been has stuck in Nick Schaeffer's
Speaker 3: crawl over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: Elsewhere, Hunter Green needs elbow surgery.
Speaker 3: Yeah they're not saying what yet, but it's some kind
Speaker 3: of UCL repair that's not great.
Speaker 1: No, it's not great, and nothing else sucks. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a real real bummer. Matt Chapman is having season ending
Speaker 1: hernia surgery.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets, he gets say it's a bit, but
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't know. He might be happy to
Speaker 3: get out cares. Yeah, just stay off the scooters. Yeah,
Speaker 3: or if you have heard yes surgery, imagine be uncomfortable
Speaker 3: writing a scooter down the San Francisco anyway, I think
Speaker 3: everything is uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, four years and one hundred million left
Speaker 2: on that contract.
Speaker 3: And then the most movable of their deals probably Yeah.
Speaker 3: I did see Rafael Devers hit one to dead center
Speaker 3: off Kaider Montero over the weekend.
Speaker 1: Should we check in on where Rafael Devers.
Speaker 3: Around one twenty again? I was, I think it was
Speaker 3: one sixteen last night, looked and he set a home
Speaker 3: runs one three.
Speaker 1: There you go every year, yep, until he won't.
Speaker 3: There will tell you there will be there when he won't,
Speaker 3: and it won't be one hundred it.
Speaker 1: Will be it will be ugly. It will be the
Speaker 1: Cardinals dfade Nelson Alaskaz This is the five, five and
Speaker 1: dives special.
Speaker 3: It is, But also like I appreciate giving Nelson Alaska
Speaker 3: As a chance to catch on with the playoff team. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I saw it signed to Austin Hayes. I guess it's
Speaker 3: that's true, Like, it's not impossible and Nelson Alaskas could
Speaker 3: find a That's also a lot of teams in a playoff, right,
Speaker 3: it's included the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Frankly, but yeah, when I saw that on the rundown,
Speaker 2: I said, I thought Patrick wasn't on this show.
Speaker 1: This is that Nelson Alaska's is a Jeff special. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember. And lastly, Jose Caberiro just keeps doing ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we have an article up about his inability to
Speaker 1: execute a bunt well on the site.
Speaker 3: There was obviously there was a lot made of him
Speaker 3: his gamesmanship, like making eye contact with the catcher.
Speaker 1: The pitcher is eating the last second.
Speaker 3: But he actually got a I have seen this happen before.
Speaker 3: It happens very infrequently. He did get a pitch clock
Speaker 3: violation called on the next batter.
Speaker 1: Because he took and some have too long to leave
Speaker 1: them on a walk well.
Speaker 3: Too long to get to first base. Okay, someone clocked it.
Speaker 3: I saw someone clock it on the internet somewhere twenty
Speaker 3: six seconds.
Speaker 1: That is that is insane.
Speaker 3: Like David Ortiz can get around the face is on
Speaker 3: a home run faster than that buddy, Like just get
Speaker 3: to first place. I have seen this happen before. Usually
Speaker 3: it's like but usually the guy's on first or like
Speaker 3: there's something with the getting the glove on, or there's
Speaker 3: a pinch runner and they're going over notes and he's
Speaker 3: not ready. It's really the guy like it was actually
Speaker 3: the previous batter just taking too long to walk to
Speaker 3: first place.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I just have to say that, as as someone
Speaker 2: who loves to troll my friends in competition, I have
Speaker 2: a little bit of respect for Jose Cabierro for trying
Speaker 2: to trying to pull this bullshito.
Speaker 3: He is like he's not a bad major Like he's
Speaker 3: a major league quality player. I understand, real like trying
Speaker 3: to get every advantage he can offensively given his game.
Speaker 1: Who was who was it? This is? This is real
Speaker 1: energy of the guy who blew in Lebron's ear Lance Stevenson,
Speaker 1: Lance Stephenson. Yeah, it's very very much like that, that
Speaker 1: kind of shit where it's like it's like I kind
Speaker 1: of respect it and the belief in yourself and you
Speaker 1: are actually like has just said, like he's an above
Speaker 1: average major league like he's above or he's at least
Speaker 1: above replacement. There's a lot of utility, and it's also
Speaker 1: like cut this ship out, like but it's also like
Speaker 1: he's probably not this guy without all this ship so there's.
Speaker 3: A line, right, there's a line that and he's not
Speaker 3: like way over the line, but he's a little little bit.
Speaker 1: Which is the whole. But that's his whole thing, right, Like,
Speaker 1: that's probably how he got to where he is by
Speaker 1: just like believing.
Speaker 2: If I do all this ship Like I'm this isn't
Speaker 2: a serious comparison. But I played in a golf scramble
Speaker 2: with several friends over the weekend, and one of my
Speaker 2: best friends too, my golf with most often, was in
Speaker 2: the group behind me. And I know for a fact
Speaker 2: that when the group in front of him plays particularly slow,
Speaker 2: he goes on tilt and plays really bad. Guess what
Speaker 2: I did for eighteen I played as slow as humanly possible.
Speaker 2: That's where I respect hoseikave here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like Lance Stevenson is probably honestly like the
Speaker 1: basketball when I first thought of because I'm olds like, uh,
Speaker 1: was it Bruce Bowen? Right, Yeah, Bruce Brown pulled all
Speaker 1: he you know, put his foot under someone else's foot
Speaker 1: like it was all that little TICKI tac ship.
Speaker 2: As a Bulls fan, it just makes me think of
Speaker 2: John Starts with the Knicks in the nineties. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: going against Jordan, yep, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: That brings us to our game.
Speaker 3: So as a, as alluded to at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the show, wading another round of I am d MLB,
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 1: Do want to point out we have a game from
Speaker 1: a from always and we do appreciate that.
Speaker 3: But this is this is how to give his chance
Speaker 3: of retribution.
Speaker 2: You have to you have to try your best to
Speaker 2: make me look like an idiot during my rare appearances
Speaker 2: on This.
Speaker 3: Is the quick reminder. I have nine is totally like
Speaker 3: before and after. I have nine movie titles that combine
Speaker 3: a movie and a baseball player, and I will read
Speaker 3: them out. It goes and just buzz in when you
Speaker 3: when you figure out what it is. A lesser known
Speaker 3: Spike Lee film about nineteen seventy seven New York and
Speaker 3: a very well known ALE Rookie of the Year candidate
Speaker 3: to listeners of.
Speaker 1: This podcast, nineteen seventies New York and Rookie of the
Speaker 1: Year candidate.
Speaker 3: I thought this was just gonna be one of the
Speaker 3: easier ones, or after a get.
Speaker 1: Started, I don't it's a lesser known Spike Lee.
Speaker 2: I said this at the beginning. My mind goes blank
Speaker 2: when these trivia games. We welcome, Welcome Colin, Welcome to
Speaker 2: the Yes.
Speaker 1: I mean I have to assume, especially with his probably
Speaker 1: the Rookie of the utendant has to be McGonagall, right.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to help you out because I don't know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know. So something with Kevin is it?
Speaker 1: Does he have a movie Kevin? Or is it? What?
Speaker 3: What was? What was the full phrasing of this This
Speaker 3: clue again, Spike Lee film about nineteen seventy seven New
Speaker 3: York and a well known Ale Rookie of the Year
Speaker 3: candidates to listeners of this podcast, a.
Speaker 1: Well known Rookie of the Year candidate, My god, my cool.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I am going to call it because we have eight
Speaker 3: more of these to get through. It is summer of
Speaker 3: Sam Antonacci.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: I could not think of Sam Anzonachi as a Rookie
Speaker 2: of the Year candidate. I would not have thought of
Speaker 2: I was thinking White Rocky.
Speaker 1: Too, and I was thinking more of comedy. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: that's fair enough. I did not consider. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's wrong. I just did not SAMAI never entered. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one.
Speaker 3: The listeners love Sam Antonacci, getting emails love Sam Antonacci. Yeah,
Speaker 3: absolutely all right, William Goldman Penscript Storry, Robert Redford and
Speaker 3: Dustin Hoffman as the two most famous journalists of all time.
Speaker 3: And I'm Milwaukee Brewers Wall of Honor recipient.
Speaker 1: Okay, huh, I know the movie, and I'm blaming me too.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of a wrong title. Jesus Christ Brewers, Brewers
Speaker 1: Wall of Honor. Why why can't I think of the
Speaker 1: sucking I know the movie, I can pick I see them,
Speaker 1: I know the name of the movie.
Speaker 2: I cannot think of the player that this relates to.
Speaker 2: The only player I can think of that I could
Speaker 2: throw in here, I would. I don't know if even play.
Speaker 1: You need to take are the listeners?
Speaker 2: This is all right, I'll say it. I'll say I'll
Speaker 2: give you the assist if you can get it. Craig,
Speaker 2: the movie is all the President's Men.
Speaker 1: Okay, oh that's what I was thinking. Okay, for some
Speaker 1: reason I thought that was the wrong title. Okay, that's why.
Speaker 2: The only thing I could think of. And he did
Speaker 2: play for the Brewers, but not enough to be a
Speaker 2: Wall of Honor. I was like all of the presidents, Kevin,
Speaker 2: you just got that name in my head?
Speaker 1: An is it is it is it, Paul Mollitor The
Speaker 1: President's Men. Now was.
Speaker 3: It your you're you have the right idea. It's Bill Hall,
Speaker 3: the President's Man.
Speaker 1: Bill Hall. Damn it Bill on the Wall of Honor
Speaker 1: that part of the game, the honors, and I don't
Speaker 1: think it was. But I didn't know that about Bill Hall.
Speaker 2: Bill All the President's Men. That's good, POD know, that's
Speaker 2: That's a great one, Jeff.
Speaker 3: A classic rom com starring Audrey Hepburn, who won Best
Speaker 3: Actress for the role, and a young Red Sox star
Speaker 3: who is also gone missing for a summer.
Speaker 1: Oh Roman Anthony Holiday.
Speaker 3: Yes, Roman Anthony Holiday.
Speaker 1: Roman Roman Holiday. Okay, yeah, sure, I wouldn't have gotten
Speaker 1: the movie. I knew it was Roman Anthony.
Speaker 3: Susan Sarandon and Geena Davis Hit the Road for Mexico
Speaker 3: and the Yankees New First Basement or the Astros Old
Speaker 3: Starter or a hard throwing reliever for a bunch of teams.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, The Yankees New for Oh Thelman Luis Garcia, Thelman,
Speaker 3: Luis Garcia, Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure right, all the Louise Scarcia, Yes, shame on me.
Speaker 3: And incredibly violent Sam Peckham Paw film starring Dustin Hoffman
Speaker 3: and a Blue Jays outfielder most famous for being dealt
Speaker 3: for international slot money.
Speaker 1: Okay, I know the player. I have no idea of
Speaker 1: the movie. You could have done a different movie. I
Speaker 1: could have.
Speaker 3: An incredibly violent Sam Peck and paf film starring Dustin
Speaker 3: Hoffman and a Blue Jays outfield are most samous for
Speaker 3: me dell for international slot money.
Speaker 1: Miles straw Dogs.
Speaker 3: Yes, Miles straw Dogs.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was saying, I was in my head. I'm
Speaker 1: just sitting there going eight Miles straw that's good.
Speaker 3: It was the nineteen sixty one version that won the
Speaker 3: Academy Award for Best Picture, not the Steven Spielberg won,
Speaker 3: and a shortstop whose best version was for the Rockies.
Speaker 3: Oh it never ending story, west Side Trevor Story.
Speaker 1: Yes, west Side Trevor Story, Spielberg, I missed. I liked
Speaker 1: it whatever. I took a cat.
Speaker 3: You've seen the opening title card for this film at
Speaker 3: least one hundred times. And a sinker bowler mostly for Cleveland,
Speaker 3: who you might not know was born in Jamaica.
Speaker 1: Okay, I actually know the player. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know the type the movie. I know the player because
Speaker 1: I actually know that fact.
Speaker 2: Title title card I've seen one hundred times. The only
Speaker 2: thing I think of his Star Wars. It's not Star Wars,
Speaker 2: I don't is it.
Speaker 1: I'm no, not based on the not based on the
Speaker 1: player who I'm pretty sure I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, m hm, a sinkerballer for the Guardians who was
Speaker 2: born also for the Red Sox.
Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, for the Red Sox as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I know. Uh wait is it Justin Masterson? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Justin Masterson of the Universe, Masters of the Universe. I'm
Speaker 1: taking a guess. I don't know. Justin Yeah, he is
Speaker 1: born in Jamaica.
Speaker 2: It is Justin, Oh, Justin Masters, then command Master and
Speaker 2: Commander Yes, nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, times.
Speaker 1: No, that's really good, very good, very good.
Speaker 3: Let's watch Sally Hawkins fr Man and then nominate it
Speaker 3: for a bunch of oscars and let's watch this bravest.
Speaker 3: Prospects struggled to hit major league pitching, mostly for the Royals.
Speaker 1: Shape of Drew Waters, The Shape of Drew Waters. Nice. Nice.
Speaker 1: I knew I knew the movie, but I was that
Speaker 1: I didn't have the title I like, but I knew them.
Speaker 1: I knew exactly which moan you were talking about.
Speaker 3: Paul Newman plays the coolest convict on the planet and
Speaker 3: a leverage reliever traded at the deadline.
Speaker 1: Cool hand, Luke Weaver, cool hand, Luke Weaver.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, what a redemption you did.
Speaker 1: You did make it easier and you made it.
Speaker 3: To consider Craig.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's that's all them, that's all them. Well done.
Speaker 1: I I love this game. I'm terrible at it, but
Speaker 1: I really, I really enjoy it.
Speaker 3: I was pretty happy with Justin Masterson and Commander.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm proud of myself for well, when you
Speaker 2: said red and red Sox, that's Justin Masterson popped in
Speaker 2: my head.
Speaker 1: I had no idea otherwise, I had no idea was
Speaker 1: born in Jamaica. Yes, well, I worked with his cousin
Speaker 1: for for a summer, so he so I know about
Speaker 1: Justin Masterson. Anyway, Congratulations Colin on the redemption. Thank you
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