WEBVTT 1 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:35.320 Welcome to episode five seventy five and dive. It is Monday, 2 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:38.479 August ninth. I'm your host, Gray Coldstein, joined as usual 3 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:43.159 by Jeffrey pattern Nostro and slightly less usually by Colin Whitchurch. 4 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:46.399 Colin is filling in for Patrick while he is out 5 00:00:47.399 --> 00:00:50.000 over the next couple. Well, he's filling in today. We'll 6 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:53.359 see about next week. Colin. How's it going good. 7 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:56.280 I didn't ask before we recorded, but I just assumed 8 00:00:56.280 --> 00:00:59.479 that Patrick was out because of Deck or something like that. 9 00:00:59.880 --> 00:01:02.119 I think he might wish it was Deck. No, this 10 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:04.519 this is uh that I shouldn't say that. It's family, 11 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:07.159 it's a vacation. He's yeah, I figured it was actually vacation. 12 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:07.799 That was a joke. 13 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:11.040 But yes, No, I'm good. I'm happy to be back. 14 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:14.560 Thank you for having me. H. We'll talk hopefully this 15 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:17.959 uh if if if Jeffrey created another similar game to 16 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:20.200 last time I was on. Hopefully I don't embarrass myself 17 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:21.560 as bad as I did last time, but. 18 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:25.760 Your competition will be even less stiff than than usual. 19 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:29.519 I wanted to start off banter with a little bit 20 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:34.400 of a ranter, if you will, I this is this 21 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:39.959 is about it's gonna sound even too cheer when I 22 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:41.519 say it this way, but I'm gonna say it anyway, 23 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:45.879 like online etiquette, like social media etiquette. 24 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:47.799 Your fault for posting on blue Sky. 25 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:51.280 Yes it is. And this is all self inflicted. Okay, 26 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:56.879 I I will wear that, no problem someone so so. 27 00:01:57.519 --> 00:01:59.920 I don't know if you saw this, Jeffrey, but the 28 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:03.959 New Yorker ran an article under the headline did the 29 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:04.680 Dodgers Ruin? 30 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:06.480 Basically clearly wasn't copy edited. 31 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:09.360 It was a right and so and this that's actually 32 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:13.280 what this is about. This article was terrible. It wasn't 33 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:17.400 fact checked, okay, like it was not a good article. 34 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:19.599 Copy Editors and fact checkers are the first person people 35 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:22.039 to get laid off in new media, Craig. 36 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:25.000 And and look, trust me, I understand. We get people 37 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:28.439 in our comments who are helpful. Sometimes they're rude. A 38 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:30.960 lot of times they're helpful pointing out when we make 39 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:35.159 a mistake. We make mistakes copy edits, even even though 40 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:36.120 we do read some. 41 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:39.479 For some one of the college I did recently, I 42 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:42.280 was like a three year old prospect list player and 43 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:44.479 the player and I'm like, oh, there's a there's a 44 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:46.560 dramatic layer there that nobody caught three. 45 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:49.879 Years ago, and that was me almost certainly. 46 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:50.960 And it's probably two am. 47 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:54.719 Yeah, yeah, and look we missed up. That's not whatever. 48 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:59.520 So I screencap. So the subhead to this article was 49 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:02.439 all ready the title favorites Los Angeles acquired the league's 50 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:05.360 best picture of the trade deadline and may have insured. 51 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:08.599 That's there the way they wrote it. Not Enshured insured 52 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:13.759 a lockout after the season. So I I commented on 53 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:18.039 what the article was trying to talk about, and I 54 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:22.360 used ensured in my comment correcting it. I also made 55 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:25.479 a spelling notation, you know, like a spelling mistake notation 56 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:26.280 in the alt text. 57 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:28.840 I you didn't, but you didn't, but you didn't point 58 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:30.680 out the typo in your I. 59 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:33.639 Wasn't going to make a federal case about it. Other 60 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:37.159 people pointed out I. Kiri Ohler from Fangrafts said, like, 61 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:40.360 Craig was nice enough not to do this like explicitly, 62 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:42.400 but I'm gonna comment on it, and like I was, like, 63 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:46.400 I appreciate that, I get it right. That's fine. A 64 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:49.240 lot of people pointed this out, which is also fine. 65 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:52.719 I don't it's not the New York it's the New Yorker, right, 66 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:56.479 It deserves comment. I'm not again, that's not my issue. 67 00:03:57.080 --> 00:03:59.560 A lot of people, most of the people commenting on this, 68 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:01.800 in fact, did it in a quote post, which is 69 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:04.759 to bring attention to other people about the New Yorker's mistake, 70 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:07.919 which I think makes a lot of sense. I then 71 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:11.560 got a number of people just replying to me, like 72 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:15.680 one one person replied to me and did asterisk and 73 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:21.879 shore and I was like, so I said, like, buddy, 74 00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:28.160 I used the right one, so obviously I clocked it right, Like. 75 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:31.240 We are again, they get to the guy that that 76 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:36.319 called no, they tried to edit your username? No what 77 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:41.079 like it's supposed to be a y O you r E? 78 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:45.680 No, that was I did a post intentionally like that was? 79 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:46.560 That was the Edwin D. 80 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:51.480 We'll get to that social apologize. 81 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:54.600 This whole episode is just talking about Craig social media beefs. 82 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:57.519 No. But but I just want to say to people, 83 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:03.759 like when when you reply to someone and they've written 84 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:08.199 stuff in a post that isn't purely the screenshot, and 85 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:11.319 you are correcting something in a screenshot that they've already 86 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:15.959 corrected in their post. Yeah, Like I was like, I 87 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:17.680 got that, And then we had a back and forth 88 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:19.839 where he kept explaining to me he was talking about 89 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:23.560 the screenshot, and I was like, right, I know. I 90 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:26.439 finally had to say, like, you think I don't understand 91 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:28.759 what you're saying when I'm saying what you did was 92 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:32.040 not additive, right, And then someone called me a dick 93 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:35.759 about that, Yeah, which is fair. I was being a dick, right, 94 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:40.199 I will own that. But also, when you reply to someone, 95 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:44.519 when you click reply, you are replying to them in 96 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:47.600 their replies on their timeline. You are not talking to 97 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:52.759 other people. Okay, So when you tell me in a 98 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:58.560 reply to me something I've already clearly noticed, I get 99 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:02.319 to reply to you about that. That's all I'm saying. 100 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:07.519 That's that's actually how that social media interaction works. Okay. 101 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:09.600 And to the guy who called me a dick, you're 102 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:12.800 not wrong, but I think I was deservingly being a dick, 103 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:17.879 That's all. Okay, mm hmm, anyone else have banter? 104 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:23.040 So I'm still barely in the eighteen to forty nine 105 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:26.879 year old age bracket, so theoretically people are still trying 106 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:30.560 to advertise and market to me and my spending dollars, 107 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:37.680 and I am slightly confused about what liberty mutual is 108 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:42.639 doing with their MLB dot TV ads. Is it the 109 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:45.680 poof thing whatever, I will get to the poof thing 110 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:49.079 aventures personification of we have to, we have to, we 111 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:50.839 have to, we have to roll back a little bit. 112 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:52.959 It's gonna be a long banter everyone. 113 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.399 Strausly they've done. They dead a series of ads on 114 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:58.240 that bench in front of the statue. It's really a 115 00:06:58.240 --> 00:06:59.959 green screen, but on a bench in front of the green. 116 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:06.480 Scream it's a green screen, oh. 117 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:13.279 Man, And like just various ads and eventually they found 118 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:17.759 the kind of like who does he look like, Josh 119 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:21.680 Josh Hartnett that they kind of looks like, yeah, the 120 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:23.319 kind of Josh guy. 121 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:24.959 They found the guy. 122 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:26.639 They found the boat with a little poudy. 123 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:27.399 Handsome dumb guy. 124 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:29.680 And they have multiple because they've got the EMU guy 125 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:32.199 as well, Like they've got two separate campaigns going. 126 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:34.279 Yeah, you always they're trying to be progressive. 127 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:38.480 Yes, okay, so he did they if you don't remember 128 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:40.800 this ad that was basically everywhere for the last five years. 129 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:42.560 It was premised on him not being able to deliver 130 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:44.480 his lines because he's a hot dumb guy. 131 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:48.800 Yeah, it's honestly, they're basically doing a rip off of 132 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:50.199 Joey Tribuani for. 133 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:55.600 Sure, sure I could see that to you. Uh So 134 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:57.560 this year they brought him back, and I'm sure the 135 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:00.879 ad you've seen five hundred times on MLB TV on 136 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:03.199 like the blind date with the woman that also cannot 137 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:06.759 pronounce things, and then you get some yes, and I'm 138 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:10.279 just like, who like what I mean? I guess the 139 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:12.759 idea is to for it to be memorial for you 140 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:15.360 to think about liberty mutual. And obviously I thought about 141 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:16.399 liberty mutual way too much. 142 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:20.680 If it's worked, we're proving it right now. This is 143 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:22.800 really I mean, I I think what you're gonna do it. 144 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:25.040 I think you could do this progressive, I think is 145 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:27.839 better at this. But it's they're trying to world build. 146 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:30.040 Yes, yes, they are trying to They are trying to 147 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:32.919 world build, and now there's a liberty. They think liberty. 148 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:36.759 Liberty is so clever that it deserves its own puppet. 149 00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:40.240 Basically, yeah, the puppet thing is they've really. 150 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:43.159 Liberty liberty Like, no, I don't like, it's not a thing. 151 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:47.720 I don't like the blind date. Yeah, because the other 152 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:50.360 the other part of this is, like, as Colin pointed out, 153 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:55.879 she says Canoely. He says, these are mispronunciations of words 154 00:08:57.120 --> 00:09:01.039 that are just that are already existing ones. Liberty is 155 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:04.440 both not a word and also nowhere near mutual. It's 156 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:08.600 not like he called it like liberty mutual. Yeah, he 157 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:12.480 didn't mispronounce mutual. He just said it so dumb different ways, 158 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:17.399 said a rhyming thing with liberty that also wasn't a word, right. 159 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:19.759 I mean, I worked in insurance for over a decade, 160 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:26.240 not in marketing, to be clear, we had like at 161 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:30.480 various times we did whatever, it doesn't matter now. I 162 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:33.320 worked for Travelers, which is generally regarded as rich people insurance, 163 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:35.120 So they didn't do a ton. 164 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:39.000 Of like you know, low low brown comedy. 165 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:41.879 Mainline advertising. There was a dog, there was a puppy. 166 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:45.720 You might remember the puppy ads for Travelers. Yeah, like 167 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:47.559 the dog trying to protect his bone or whatever. That 168 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:49.120 was like a thing for a few years. They did 169 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:53.799 a serious of them, and I got like, I I 170 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:57.200 worked with the main communications guy for a while because 171 00:09:57.200 --> 00:09:59.080 we did a lot of like video shoots and stuff 172 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:01.639 like internally as well, But so I got like some 173 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:03.879 of the inside story that yeah, we're introducing puppies because 174 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:05.039 the dog is starting to get old. 175 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:08.639 I'm just like, oh, that's the storyline, has to. 176 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:14.360 Yeah, that's the narrative. But yeah, like obviously this happens 177 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:16.519 like Farmers has a chorus. Now that's their big thing. 178 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:18.200 I get a lot of insurance ads. 179 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:18.720 Maybe they. 180 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:21.720 How old I am? 181 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:26.200 Also, Nationwide has moved on from the one guy who 182 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:28.559 was the president on twenty four or whatever. 183 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:29.600 I'm working on his name. 184 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:31.080 Yeah, and then the president. 185 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:32.080 Oh yeah, he went the president. 186 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:34.639 It was there, it was right. 187 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:37.399 I didn't watch twenty four, so I was confusing with 188 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:38.679 the guy with all state. 189 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:42.879 That's all state. Dennis Haysbert was all state. Oh yeah, yeah, okay, 190 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:43.639 so who am I to? 191 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:44.519 Haysbert was all state? 192 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:48.360 And they also is now somebody maybe it's all state. 193 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:53.720 Maybe it's she's all states. But also, I fucking love 194 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:58.279 dumb commercialsay And we're not even talking about the actual 195 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:01.840 best ones, which is the the mayhem. 196 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:04.840 They're no longer the best. They haven't been the best 197 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:08.519 for years. I'm sorry. The best the best currently going 198 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:10.240 is doctor Rick and. 199 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:17.519 Absolutely I'm sorry for we are old. 200 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:18.080 Yeah. 201 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:22.000 It's like one idea for an ad and you just 202 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:24.759 run it into the ground because it's better than trying 203 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:26.080 to create progressive. 204 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:29.480 I have to give them credit and maybe ads like 205 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:32.519 so the really good what is incredible. 206 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:36.080 There was a really good article in some major publication 207 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:40.639 a while ago about this world Jake from State Farm 208 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:44.919 Flow from Progressive and basically like how rich the like 209 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:48.279 how successful, Like they've made careers to the. 210 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:50.720 Point where they writes all of them. Yeah, she like 211 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:53.039 became like a writer director and like she. 212 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:55.799 Like always right, you got to the executive producer credit. 213 00:11:56.360 --> 00:11:58.559 She was like in she was like doing comedy shows 214 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:02.080 early in her career with like uh Tina Fey and 215 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:04.240 ship or she was she was like. 216 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:07.399 A comedian the woman who was Lily from at and 217 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:10.320 T who stopped doing them. She also wrote her commer. 218 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:12.759 She was in Project Hill Mary. She's just this past 219 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:14.600 year she was in one of the biggest blockbusters of 220 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:14.840 the year. 221 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:17.440 She has a small role in it. Yeah, I missed 222 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:18.759 that while watching it on the plane. 223 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:23.759 Apparently she's the Russian scientist who okay, yeah, yeah, okay. 224 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:25.960 I have a friend from college who got married to 225 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:31.279 like an actress who had like a fairly successful like 226 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:34.519 you wouldn't recognize her, but she had like a fairly 227 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:36.279 successful series and they just like were able to buy 228 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:38.559 a house off the royalties basically, like not not a 229 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:41.039 huge house, but a house in the LA area, right, Like. 230 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:46.360 Yeah, no, I I uh yeah, I don't understand, like 231 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:48.519 why why they went with Judy Greer? And like why, 232 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:51.559 like you, like you paid for Judy Greer, Who's like 233 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:54.840 it can't be that, Like I can't be She just 234 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:57.360 said how much people make off of this stuff? Yeah? 235 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:00.159 And also she's like a known She's like someone you 236 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:03.440 would vaguely I recognize her, probably because of the rest 237 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:07.320 of development more than anything, and like she's known enough, 238 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:08.600 like she is at least. 239 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:13.440 Four though, what's that he's not the president from twenty four? 240 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.759 No, but you paid for somebody? Sure, And like then 241 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:20.200 you know Judy Greer's name? Did you know the name 242 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:23.480 of the actor? President's Dennis? It's you said that I 243 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:27.080 didn't know Pedro Serrano from major leagues. Yes, you're right, 244 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:29.039 You're right. I should I was blanking on it, but 245 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:31.240 I should have known it. But also I do have 246 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:33.639 to say, well, just we have to move on. I'm sure. 247 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:41.639 But the Jake from State Farm rebrand, what what was that? Well? 248 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:45.480 No, the original the original guy worked for State Farm. 249 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:47.080 He was just like, I don't think it was actually 250 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:48.879 a call. Might he might have like he was actually 251 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:52.759 let him flourish. I think there was some issue with 252 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:54.360 like they were worried he might leave the company, Like 253 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:56.679 there's a there's a whole backstory to changed. 254 00:13:56.960 --> 00:13:59.320 Is that true? I would love probably want the younger, 255 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:02.720 more attract guy out. Well, they certainly, but I hate 256 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:06.480 the new guy. He's so cocky. Well I only started 257 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:10.000 State Farm before. Was like the essence of Jake from 258 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:11.799 State Farm is khaki, not cocky. 259 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:14.559 Okay, great, Can we start the show now with that 260 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:17.639 you got you got your you got your punch line 261 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:18.200 in It's. 262 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:18.440 Like it's like. 263 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:23.039 Comana where we just do like fifteen minutes and then 264 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:24.799 there's a punchline that's not very good at the end 265 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:26.000 of it, and we can start the show now. 266 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:27.919 This is honestly the worst banter for me to be 267 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:30.879 on because I could talk about bad commercials forever. 268 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:36.120 So I'm gonna stop right our first segment, Boston Uncommon, 269 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:39.240 the Red Sox finally lost to in a row. 270 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:43.120 Three of their last five losses have been to the A's. 271 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:47.639 That is insane. Yeah, that part is that part is 272 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:49.960 more insane than the fact that they won twenty seven 273 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:54.240 of thirty yeap which they had prior to that. I 274 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:56.879 don't know what else we want to say here. It's 275 00:14:56.919 --> 00:14:59.759 an incredible run. It is, and like this they they 276 00:14:59.799 --> 00:15:03.440 are very close to the best run differential in the 277 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:10.200 AL trailing only yes, only, yes, the Tigers. 278 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:13.559 It's been a weird year in the American leagues, but 279 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:18.039 like the National League has, like pretty much the NATUALLYE 280 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:21.000 was weird for a while, but it's a long season. 281 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:26.559 It's settled in right like if the Braves, Phillies, Cubs, Brewers, 282 00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:30.639 Dodgers are all pretty much chalk here, there's no surprise 283 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:33.679 that the Diamondbacks and Padres are hanging around right like that. Obviously, 284 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:36.039 the Mets being bad is probably the ID say. Somebody 285 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:39.559 posted I think it was Brady posted the Pakoda fiecing 286 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:43.720 the Pokoda projections in the Yeah, and like they weren't, 287 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:46.279 They're not bad, like they're they're they Their Koda was 288 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:47.799 pretty good outside of like the White Sox and the 289 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:52.320 Mets and the Rays, Pakoda has been pretty good. 290 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:56.559 The the Red Sox a's parallels are really funny. Someone 291 00:15:56.559 --> 00:15:59.639 posted a graphic from the broadcast yesterday, and I went 292 00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:02.480 and looked at the start of each of these runs 293 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:06.480 on July first. On July first, the A's were five 294 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:10.039 games under five hundred and the Red Sox were eleven 295 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:13.919 games under five hundred. And now the Red Sox are 296 00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:16.399 eleven games over five hundred and the A's are twenty 297 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:17.360 four games under. 298 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:19.039 They put six games in there. 299 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:22.519 Yeah, and the fact that, yeah, that was in the 300 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:25.559 middle of that just makes it all the more bizarre. 301 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:27.559 And I think I saw it was. I don't think 302 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:29.000 you guys have talked about this. I'm not sure when 303 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:33.279 the report came, but there's talk about Crochet potentially getting 304 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:35.440 giving them some bullpen help down the stretch. 305 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:39.720 He is on a mound, I'm reliably informed, So that's 306 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:42.159 a that's a possibility, and like, look, you don't everything 307 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:43.799 has to go right for you to go twenty seven 308 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:46.799 and three. But like the heaters that stayed on RAPHAELA 309 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:51.480 and will You R Radio have been on really since 310 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:53.080 like the All Star break. Basically it was like a 311 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:55.519 week after this started, have been like they the two 312 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:57.600 of the two of the top five most home runs 313 00:16:57.600 --> 00:16:59.720 in baseball since the All Star Break or something like that. 314 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:04.000 Do you have Do you have their numbers? I did 315 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:05.759 not have it, you know, I can, I can. 316 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:06.920 Don't just their numbers. 317 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:07.640 Now they swept. 318 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:09.599 They swept the White Sox last week, so I got 319 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:12.079 I watched a couple of their games really closely, and 320 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:16.279 that was like the worst I've seen the results I've 321 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:17.799 seen the White Sox get in a couple of months. 322 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:22.640 They were outscored thirty to thirteen in three games. The 323 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:24.759 Red Sox outscored them. And yeah, it was like it 324 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:27.000 was it was just you just had those feelings, you 325 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:28.720 know when your team's going through a bad spell where 326 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:31.319 it's just like every time a bray you and Rafaela 327 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:32.839 came to the play, it's like they're gonna do some 328 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:33.359 damage here. 329 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:36.519 It didn't matter who was on the mound. So rafayelis 330 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:40.160 since the break is two ninety seven, three eleven, five 331 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:41.160 sixty four. 332 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:45.000 That's why this isn't saying line. Yeah, and Abradio hasn't 333 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:48.079 like a brain hasn't been great, but he's also hitting 334 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:52.079 for power. You know, Wilson Cantres keeps playing really well. 335 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:56.920 Caleb Durbin has certainly caught fire. And do you do 336 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:00.880 you have Andrew Monasterio's numbers since so Andrew Monasterio July first, 337 00:18:01.559 --> 00:18:06.160 three thirty seven, four h nine, five sixty eight, one 338 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:09.079 hundred and eleven plate appearances too, So he's playing pretty regularly, 339 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:12.240 which he probably should with a nine line. 340 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:16.519 Yeah, I mean since since the since the break, Yeah, 341 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:19.759 it is three fifty eight, four thirty five, thirty seven 342 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:21.599 fifty eight. Yeah. 343 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:25.279 Look, the pitching has been pretty good all year, right, 344 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:28.160 I don't think it's been like especially good recently. But 345 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:30.200 they're also scoring like seven runs a game, so who cares? 346 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:33.400 And like again you go twenty seven and three, They've 347 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:35.680 had a lot of late ending comebacks, right, They've like 348 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:39.359 they've had a lot of like you know, big innings 349 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:41.720 when they've been down, Like this is going to play 350 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:44.559 seven and three and twenty three and seven, right, this 351 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:44.920 is what. 352 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:47.839 It needs to notice when you're on a good run. 353 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:50.599 I mean, like, but this is this is more than 354 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:51.160 a good run. 355 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:53.599 This is no, no, for sure, I'm not trying to 356 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:57.519 discredit it. I'm just trying to say, like I I mean, 357 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:00.319 not to discredit it with like lateening comebacks, like when 358 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:04.319 you're going good and having a crazy run like that's 359 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:05.680 that stuff will happen. 360 00:19:05.799 --> 00:19:07.519 You can put up big innings when like six of 361 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.039 your regulars have a one thousand ops at the same time. 362 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:11.680 Yes, yes, you sure can. 363 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:16.880 So. Now it's like, okay, they lost a couple to Sacramento. 364 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:19.000 You know we can settle in there. What a game 365 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:23.839 behind the Yankees for the home field advantage in the 366 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:26.000 four or five match and not that game and a 367 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:28.000 half game and a half? Okay, how far behind the Rays? 368 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:28.960 That's like what like five? 369 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:30.279 There are seven? 370 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:35.000 Yeah, the race keep winning despite being fraud right now, yea, 371 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:38.279 the fraudulent Rays keep it, keep on keeping on. 372 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:43.160 Look, man, I I had I had someone note to 373 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:47.680 me the Rays so like they have as we've talked 374 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:51.799 about three hitters. Yeah right, well four hitters. Now they 375 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:54.720 traded for four hitters because they have LIMX. That's that's correct, 376 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:57.920 But they've generally had three. Uh, John and and Ronda 377 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:02.119 and yandas have been pretty pretty bad for a while. 378 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:04.079 I don't have I don't know Aroanda off the top 379 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:06.160 of my head, but Yandy Diaz has been like one 380 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:08.480 of the worst hitters in baseball for an extended. 381 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:10.480 Stretch, which he can do from time to time, which he. 382 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:12.319 Can do, and I don't think he's I don't think 383 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:14.839 that's like his true talent level or whatever. I think 384 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:17.839 he's good, right, Like I think the baseline for Yandi 385 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:23.279 Diez is good. But like they're winning games with as 386 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:27.720 you mentioned last time, Victor Masa Junior, Like I don't know, 387 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:30.880 I still look I will I will eat the crow 388 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:33.880 on fraudulent race. But also like there's seventy one and 389 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:36.160 forty six with a plus forty six round differential. I'm 390 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:41.839 not I'm not really wrong. Like it's fine, like they win, 391 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:45.440 they've they've won what they've won. I accept it. But 392 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:51.359 you know it's fine. They're beating Seattle in Colorado on 393 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:54.519 this six game win streak. That's kind of how I 394 00:20:54.599 --> 00:20:55.759 feel about And you got. 395 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:56.559 To play who's in front of you? 396 00:20:56.960 --> 00:20:59.039 You do you do? And they're winning and they should 397 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:05.039 they should win those games, right like fair enough? Uh so, Ken, 398 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:08.920 I mean Ken, Ken, Boston catch the Race feels like 399 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:13.160 a tall order set seven games in what seven weeks? 400 00:21:13.640 --> 00:21:16.160 I mean, I know there are I know there are 401 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:20.680 insane outliers, but like at this point last year, the 402 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:22.720 Guardians hadn't even started to try to you know, they 403 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:25.599 were like thirteen out in late August last year. 404 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:30.000 So no, it wasn't late August, was it. Yeah, I 405 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:32.519 think it was. I thought that was July, like I 406 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:34.039 thought that was early August, and then it was like 407 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:38.519 eleven or something. We're we're in late early August right now, 408 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:44.519 in late early August, So I don't I yeah, I 409 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:49.400 mean I think I think. I don't want to rule 410 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:53.920 it out right, Boston Ken catch the race seven games 411 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:56.319 and seven. It's not unprecedented or any. 412 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:58.559 The Tigers were up eleven and a half games on 413 00:21:58.599 --> 00:21:59.920 August twenty third last year. 414 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:02.960 Okay, okay, it doesn't tend to happen in back to 415 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:03.440 back years. 416 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:05.680 I feel like, no, I'm yeah, I it doesn't tend 417 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:10.119 to happen at all. Outlier. Yeah, I get that. That's 418 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:13.960 an insane outlier. They're up ten on September thirty. Here's 419 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:20.240 here's Pakoda gives the Red Sox one point four to 420 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:24.680 When the sounds about right? Is that Colin? You made 421 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:27.799 a face. I mean, that seems that seems low to me, Like, 422 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:30.920 I don't know, Well, you're only saying that because they've 423 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:33.000 won twenty seven of thirty two. Well, how many how 424 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:34.839 many times do they play each other down the stretches. 425 00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:41.079 Another thing, Colin, I do not have this schedule. That 426 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:43.400 would be a good thing to know, but I sure do. 427 00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:46.920 Look as as as the as the guy who works 428 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:49.559 for a sports betting company, I would have to pull 429 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:51.039 up what the odds are. But if you were giving 430 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:56.039 me like fifty seven to one on the Red Sox 431 00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:57.960 to win the Alias, right now, I bet that, Like 432 00:22:58.119 --> 00:23:00.920 that's really but that's a different and I know it's 433 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:03.880 implied versus like the sports books and whatnot, but. 434 00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:09.440 Like what's what's worth? What's worth an outlier? But like people, 435 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:12.359 I mean, you tell me, but like betters will make 436 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:16.319 a bet they expect to lose all the time and whatever, 437 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:18.000 because it's like it's. 438 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:21.359 Worth it's worth because my numbers say they have a 439 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:23.359 five percent chance winning, but the odds. 440 00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:26.079 Right, and if I bet that, if I push that 441 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:29.160 advantage a thousand times, I'm going to make money. 442 00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:35.160 I know, I know there's yeah, but I I don't know. 443 00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:38.680 I mean, like true talent, I feel like they are 444 00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:41.279 are right there and seven games just doesn't seem that 445 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:44.279 much in a month and a half, But. 446 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:46.440 The math would tell you that seven games is a 447 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:49.559 lot in a month and a half. In yeah, fifty 448 00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:53.680 games or whatever. It's hard to make up. Like I 449 00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:54.440 get it, it is. 450 00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:57.440 They're not going to play at a seven to fifty 451 00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:00.359 winning percentage for the rest of the season, you know, right, 452 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:03.759 or eight hundred winning percent whatever their run has been. 453 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:07.079 I agree with you, and that's why. Yeah, it's a 454 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:10.519 steep hill. I just for the same reasons you've said 455 00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:13.559 about not believing in the Rays crag. I I've I 456 00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:15.720 nod my head with you every time you bring it 457 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:16.640 up on the podcast. 458 00:24:17.079 --> 00:24:18.559 I mean, that would be an argument to say that 459 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:20.640 they could catch them. Yeah, I mean, and again I 460 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:22.279 don't want to rule it out. I think they can. 461 00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:24.680 But the other part is like if they're going to 462 00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:26.680 catch the other The other part of that, and I 463 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:30.440 think the one point seven or one point four percent 464 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:34.759 in Prakoda giving this out is that if the Red 465 00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:38.279 Sox catch the Rays, the Yankees probably also catch the race. 466 00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:41.000 That's a big and so winning the division is not 467 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:43.920 just beating the Rays, it's it's also beating the Yankees. 468 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:46.920 Yes, that's a that's a really good point, and that's 469 00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:48.559 probably one of the reasons. 470 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:50.119 And the Yankees, So I guess it would put it 471 00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:53.720 this way, if if what yours you're maybe we're originally 472 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:57.119 looking at, is what are the odds the Rays don't 473 00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:59.839 win the division? And yeah, Prakoda has the Yank has 474 00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:03.440 the raise at eighty five point, so it's it's not 475 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:04.039 a lot. 476 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:07.599 Yeah, fifteen percent chance that either the Yankees or Red 477 00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:08.480 Sox catch them. 478 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:11.400 Basically exactly. Yeah. No, the other two teams are at zero. 479 00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:11.839 Don't worry. 480 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:14.200 They have three games left with the Rays in Tampa. 481 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:17.640 That's it. Yeah, see, that's what I will say. 482 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:21.920 Since we are in early mid August, I can. 483 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:25.559 Well, I said late early August, right on the border. 484 00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:27.119 We're cuspy. We're cuspy. 485 00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:29.920 It'll be early mid August by the time you hear this. 486 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:31.039 Yeah, there you go. 487 00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:33.640 This is their schedule for the rest of the year. 488 00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:37.880 At Blue Jays at Pirates versus Diamondbags versus Giants, at 489 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:45.119 Marlins at Yankees versus Mariners, at Orioles versus Angels versus Royals, 490 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:49.039 at Rangers, at Rays versus Guardians versus Cups. That is 491 00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:51.960 pretty easy run in Okay, But I was. 492 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:54.200 Thinking about listed a bunch of al teams. 493 00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:56.839 That's exactly that's exactly it. I was thinking about this 494 00:25:57.160 --> 00:25:58.880 because I know We're going to talk about the Tigers 495 00:25:58.920 --> 00:25:59.920 in a little bit. But I was looking at the 496 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:02.279 Tigers and they're hot run and I'm like, oh, the 497 00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:04.599 Tigers haven't played a team above five hundred in like 498 00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:07.599 a month. But that's every team in the American League 499 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:08.359 has that same schedule. 500 00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:10.400 Basse, they're playing two of the best teams in the 501 00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:12.720 AL this week and just the Guardians and the White Sox. 502 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:14.640 Well, I was gonna say, I was gonna say, I 503 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:16.720 don't know how many of the teams, I don't remember 504 00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:18.519 everyone you just said, but like, how many of those 505 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:20.480 are like playoff contending teams? 506 00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:25.559 I mean, like they have some bad NL teams in 507 00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:28.000 there too, the Giants and the Pirates. 508 00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:30.680 You've mentioned the Diamondbacks, who were in a in. 509 00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:32.359 A playoff spot and are about as good as a 510 00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:32.880 White Sox. 511 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:37.720 Yes, yeah, exactly exactly a sid Water. Rodriguez continues to 512 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:39.960 go to the Nick Martinez of the NL. 513 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:43.519 Yes, I mean we talk about schedules the Red Sox, 514 00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:46.480 I mean, and playoff races and whatnot. Did you just 515 00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:49.240 listen the Red Sox schedules, said, the Red Sox schedule, Yeah, 516 00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:52.160 I mean it's it's easy, but the very end. If 517 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:56.160 it's like tight, it goes raised Guardians Cubs last three series. 518 00:26:57.200 --> 00:26:59.640 They also have four in there in the Bronx, which 519 00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:01.960 in three days in the Bronx, which are going to 520 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:04.680 be probably more important for stuff like wildcard seating. 521 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:07.680 Right, I think everyone at this point, And you guys 522 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:10.039 can disagree with me if you want, Like the Red 523 00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:12.119 Sox are a playoff team. It's just Al East or 524 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:13.079 not like at this point. 525 00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:15.359 Yeah, yeah, and the and whether they have home field 526 00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:18.039 against the Yankees or not. Right, they're the four or five, right, 527 00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:18.880 one and a half. 528 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:22.160 So the the item I skipped on our rundown was 529 00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:23.799 Chad Tracy Manager of the year. 530 00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:28.279 Look, he's been eighteen games over five hundred since taking over, 531 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:29.759 fifty four and thirty six. 532 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:32.599 Yeah, and it's all basically this run. 533 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:36.039 Yes, I mean he was under five hundred before this 534 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:37.640 run because they went twenty four over. 535 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:42.359 For yeah, so I mean like, yeah, maybe he could 536 00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:44.559 easily went like nobody's got to win. It's an easy 537 00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:47.759 narrative to South. I don't know it's him, it's Will 538 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:51.599 Venable or him essentially at this point. Yeah, I mean, look, 539 00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:55.440 if the White Sox hold on, my vote would be yeah, 540 00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:01.039 will venable if I had a vote. Uh, but like sure, 541 00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:04.039 I mean the way this works is it's like who 542 00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:05.200 defied expectations? 543 00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:08.759 Yes, and the white sexs defied expectation the most, but 544 00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:14.079 the red sex may have defied expectations when we expectations. 545 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:16.440 But also do we think this is like Chad Tracy 546 00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:21.160 is doing or like like, I. 547 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:24.680 Don't know, he's a guys, right, like Anthony A. Siegler. 548 00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:28.200 And Yeah, to be clear, when I say I don't know, 549 00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:30.480 I don't even mean to say it in a in 550 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:34.839 a dismissing way. It's just I truly don't know. 551 00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:40.720 I mean that is that is the question of any 552 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:44.480 managerial of the Year race, right like Stephen Vogue and 553 00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:46.519 Pat Murphy the last couple of years. It's like, yeah, 554 00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:50.160 they defy expectations, but is are they defying expectations because 555 00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:53.480 they're lifting their team ups or because odds makers and 556 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:55.839 you know people are. 557 00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:01.880 Is wrong about Milwaukee every Yes, exactly for what it's worth. Honestly, 558 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.759 you can tell well, Pat Murphy's and obviously, but you 559 00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:08.319 could tell me like that equivalent not Cleveland this year, 560 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.160 but like, yeah, Pat Murphy could win it every year 561 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:13.680 as far as I think he does. He does seem 562 00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:18.200 to do a great job. So whatever, it's for what 563 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:18.799 it's worth. 564 00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:21.119 And I swear I won't bring stuff like this up 565 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:23.039 all the time on this podcast, even though I've done 566 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:24.599 it twice already in the first couple of minutes. 567 00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:26.160 It's fine whatever. 568 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:28.960 Venable has been the al manager of the favorite literally 569 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:30.759 all year, and I just brought it up when this 570 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:33.319 conversation started. Tracy is now ahead of him on the 571 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:36.720 spoort Okay, yeah, plus one twenty five to plus one. 572 00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:39.359 Narrative awards, right, And the fact that he took over 573 00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:43.799 absolutely who's like World Series. There's all the you know, 574 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:47.200 the palace intrigue around it too, and the team was 575 00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:48.160 playing like garbage. 576 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:51.039 And if the Tigers, I'm sorry to say this comment, like, 577 00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:54.279 if the Tigers win the Division, does a J. 578 00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.079 Hinch No, because he was there the whole time, it 579 00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:56.559 doesn't count. 580 00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:01.920 Yeah. The difference is that it's the switch from Korra, right, Yeah, no, 581 00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:07.720 I agree, Yeah, I don't know who I mean, like 582 00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:09.720 Kevin Cash. 583 00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:11.720 Yeah, I mean you can argue for giving Cash, right, 584 00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:14.839 Like the third the Raids are kind of in the 585 00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:18.079 Brewers mode where you just like they have not been 586 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:20.400 as consistently good as the Brewers, right, but you just 587 00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:23.240 sort of and he's won it multiple times, right, just 588 00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:24.039 one twice? 589 00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:25.960 I think, Yeah, i'd have to. I was gonna look, 590 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.599 I think, but we will not talk about the al West. Yeah. No, 591 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:31.319 he is one of those mans. 592 00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:33.920 Kevin Cash won Ale Manager the Year in twenty and 593 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.319 twenty one, and he finished third three other times. 594 00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:39.279 So's you think he's gonna finish third again? Yeah? Probably, 595 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.839 But but he's in the discussion. I think he's vallidly 596 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:43.519 in this, in the. 597 00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:46.720 Discussion because Craig can't figure out why they're winning, so 598 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:48.640 I sure can't. 599 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:52.319 I mean it's a I yeah, well whatever, all right, 600 00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:57.200 let's go to our second subject on Redondo Beach and 601 00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:59.799 everyone is so sad. Do you want to tell me 602 00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:00.319 what this is? 603 00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:00.519 From? 604 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:05.359 Patty Smith? Okay, Bornando Beach Horses and I have one 605 00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:06.880 of the greatest albums of the nineteen seventies. 606 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:07.559 I'm with you. 607 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.920 I'm with you, Craig, Craig, we're alike in these regards 608 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:12.880 now because I don't know about music. 609 00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:16.119 Thank you. The Dodgers are three and seven in their 610 00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:20.200 last ten, they have lost seven of eight, so they 611 00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:23.440 lost seven in a row seven No One. 612 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:25.559 They won on Saturday, they won the edwin dis game 613 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:29.039 that you had a I've already addiction fit about on 614 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:29.599 Blue s guy. 615 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.480 Yes, well I did. I honestly didn't have a connection. 616 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:38.039 I really did. Whatever they are now, outside of a bye, 617 00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:41.079 there not one of the top two teams, Atlanta and Milwaukee. 618 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:45.359 Milwaukee is is at seventy four wins. Atlanta is at 619 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:49.599 seventy one, Dodgers are at seventy. They're one game back 620 00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:53.599 of Atlanta in the lost column as well. So yeah, 621 00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:56.799 this is uh, they've been very bad. They've gone cold. 622 00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:59.960 I saw. I didn't get to dig into the article, 623 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:02.960 but I know, you know, Sarah's has published at The 624 00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:07.680 Athletic a piece about how they're really struggling with fastballs, 625 00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:12.279 high velocity fastballs, and they're continuing more in the playoffs, 626 00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:18.880 more and more fastballs. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, look, they're 627 00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:21.359 an old team, right, Like this. 628 00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:25.440 Is something I they all have strong opinions about insurance commercials. 629 00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:31.920 They they this feels more to me. I guess, I 630 00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:33.640 don't know if that's like a little bit of the 631 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.480 tail wagging the dog situation where they're struggling and then 632 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:42.440 like this is they struggled. I might be wrong on this, 633 00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:44.759 so feel free to tell me, but I feel like 634 00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:47.519 we saw some of the same kind of research of 635 00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:51.559 struggling against fastballs last July when they were twenty twenty 636 00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:54.759 five July, when they were in a real they had 637 00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:59.200 a bad month. They got swept by the Brewers that month. 638 00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:03.279 They and then that's obviously Milwaukee was a very good team, 639 00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.720 but they lost to some bad teams too, And I 640 00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:12.319 feel like we saw some of the same stuff, which 641 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:15.119 doesn't mean that it's wrong. It can get worse, right, 642 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.559 they're all a year older for the most part. I 643 00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:23.799 do struggle with the idea that like Shohotani is at 644 00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:26.319 an age where he's struggling with fastballs. He swings very 645 00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:29.440 fast right like he's got a knee injury, so maybe 646 00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:33.519 that's part of it. Andy Payes is not so old 647 00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:36.960 he should be struggling with with velocity. Kyle Tucker is 648 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:40.680 not so old he should be struggling with velocity. Maximunzy 649 00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:42.480 is old enough to struggle with velocity, but I think 650 00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:47.680 has premium swing speed, so probably not necessarily he's he's 651 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:50.200 struggled with velocity before. He's also fixed it every time. 652 00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:53.519 So it's I'm not saying like this isn't real. I'm 653 00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:55.720 not trying to close my eyes and pretend I don't 654 00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:59.640 see it, but I don't know that it's something that's 655 00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:03.400 not temporary. I guess is how how I feel about 656 00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:07.240 that without having I say all this without again, without 657 00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:10.119 having dug into the full article, which is my own fault. 658 00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:13.119 Max Muntsy's bats feed's actually up this year compared to 659 00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:13.639 last year. 660 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.840 Yeah, I think I think Craig's right, this is kay, 661 00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:19.840 Like I assume if you go through any team that's 662 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:21.719 had a cold stretch for ten games, you will find 663 00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:25.239 they are worse against fast falls, because yeah, that's just yeah, 664 00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:27.800 whether it's predictive of anything going forward, well. 665 00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:29.280 So the research, and I want to be clear, I 666 00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:31.639 don't want to misrepresent the research. The research is about 667 00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:35.719 several months. Sure, it's not it's not specifically about this 668 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:41.679 rough like just this rough stretch. It's that the fastball, 669 00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:45.760 the number of fastballs they faced, has increased over the 670 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:48.039 last several months. But they also, like they just got 671 00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:50.719 shut down by EDWARDO. Rodriguez, doesn't for harder than ninety three. 672 00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:52.840 And also if if they've been seeing a lot of 673 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:54.920 fastballs over the last several months. Guess what over the 674 00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.400 most last several months they've been They've been good more 675 00:34:57.440 --> 00:34:59.960 often than they've been bad, right while facing the. 676 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:01.800 Fastballs, right exactly. 677 00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:05.360 So Yeah, I just it might be team. It might 678 00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:09.239 be teams theorizing less than seeing evidence. 679 00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:11.719 Look, if you want to tell me Mooki bats and Ti, 680 00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.960 Oscar Hernandez and even Freddy Freeman are going to struggle 681 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:22.239 with fastball velocity, I can get there and and look, 682 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.000 that's that's a number of players in their lineup that 683 00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:30.719 are important and and could be reasons the offense is struggling. 684 00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:35.320 More generally, I think they have enough talent to overcome that. Right, 685 00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:38.199 And again, like Dalton Rushings hurt now, but like he 686 00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:42.480 was there, he shouldn't struggle with fastball velocity. So again, 687 00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.000 like I both understand it, I don't. I don't think 688 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:49.440 it's a skeleton key explanation for their problems if they lose. 689 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:51.920 If they lose a seven game series to the Brewers 690 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:53.760 in October, we're not going to say, oh, it's because 691 00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:54.639 they are struggling. 692 00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:59.199 Well, it will be struggling with Jacob Mizerowski's trust me 693 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:07.159 on that they're getting Snell's back tomorrow, right, Snell's back tomorrow. Yeah, 694 00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:12.719 so they're getting their late season injury return pitcher last 695 00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:17.320 Snow is rehabbing as well. He's not He's not as 696 00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:20.280 close as Snell or Snell's coming back. So but yeah, 697 00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.599 I mean they're gonna get their their pitching back. Look, 698 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.639 I think most of this is on the lineup. They 699 00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:30.119 haven't hit very well for an extended period. Justin Robleski, 700 00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:33.119 I mean, like, can you turn into something more than 701 00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:37.639 a pumpkin like he he has given up. He gave 702 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:43.840 up eight home runs in one hundred ish innings heading 703 00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:47.599 into the All Star Game. He gave a home run 704 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:51.960 in the All Star Game to Miguel Vargas. Need to 705 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:54.360 mention it's this podcast and also College White Sox fan 706 00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:58.159 got absolutely and then has given up nine home runs 707 00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.320 since the All Star break in back to back games 708 00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:04.119 for each and back to back games. Well, he didn't 709 00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:06.559 give up four this last start against. 710 00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:08.800 Snow, but he went before that four against the Cubs, 711 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:10.920 four against the Mariners, and then just won who his last. 712 00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:15.239 Start, that's right, Yeah, So look I think the bill 713 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:17.960 is coming to on that right. 714 00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:20.800 So four home runs against the Mariners. Is like eight 715 00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:22.840 runs allowed it against other teams? 716 00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:27.639 Yeah, yeah, Eric lower got had a blow up start. 717 00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:30.760 He's just like he was pitching way above his head. 718 00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:34.239 So they kind of need snell back. They we talked 719 00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:39.760 about how they kind of needed Scooble. Yeah, I mean, like, 720 00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:42.199 what is it over? Did they need scooball or like 721 00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:44.960 could they have gotten Freddy Peralta or any number of 722 00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:47.079 these Casey Mize or you know whatever. They could have 723 00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:49.360 gotten someone in that vein rather than the best pitcher 724 00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:52.440 on the market and been just fine. Sure, so need 725 00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:55.000 isn't over. They needed another ar is what I would say. 726 00:37:57.800 --> 00:37:59.719 And then our last you know, I don't know what 727 00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:01.920 else to say on that. The last bit here in 728 00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:05.000 the rundown is uh, Jeffrey. 729 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:09.000 Actual, I broke the agenda this morning. 730 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:10.599 Well I'm not going to call myself a dufus. 731 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.559 Oh some dufus keeps arguing with people about edwinas on 732 00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:15.360 Blue Sky and we already covered that. But he has 733 00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:16.000 been quite bad. 734 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:16.719 Uh. 735 00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:22.280 Well, I can remember if it was in banter as 736 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:23.760 part of your social. 737 00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:26.079 Media is different. We alluded to it and to it. 738 00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:29.440 Fine, I did see. I am not a fan of 739 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:33.039 the you know the Baseball Reference compare players that you 740 00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:38.440 see all over like it's it's very reductive and not 741 00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:41.400 actually giving you all the information you need. There was 742 00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:43.920 when I saw posted that was comparing Edwin Diaz to 743 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.440 Luis Terrenz as a pitcher. That's that's good. That's good. 744 00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:50.280 That's good. Slop right there, that is, I mean, that's 745 00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:52.039 the right way to use it. Yes, that's the right 746 00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:56.679 way to use So to be clear, he's been significantly words. 747 00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:01.920 What I what I posted about was Edwin Diaz came 748 00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:05.079 in and blew a one run game against the Diamondbacks 749 00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:09.199 when the Dodgers had lost uh six in a row. 750 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:11.920 At that they they had had six straight losses. In 751 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:13.679 this game, they had a one run lead heading into 752 00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:17.039 the ninth, they had escaped a bunch of gams there. 753 00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:19.199 There weren't a lot of good options. I'm gonna say 754 00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:21.719 that they had to go to Tanner Scott, who they 755 00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:25.119 used pretty heavily to get out of the eighth inning. 756 00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:27.119 And I honestly thought they might just leave him in. 757 00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:29.159 And he hadn't even been that good lately. I thought 758 00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:33.599 they might leave him in, and they went with or 759 00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:36.199 maybe I'm confusing games. But whatever they bring in Edwin 760 00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:39.920 Diaz for the nine Diez is just basically just off 761 00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:43.199 the I l he had has no feel for his slider. 762 00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:45.800 He's a two pitch pitcher. He throws his slider what 763 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:50.239 the majority of the time, at least the time. Yeah, yeah, 764 00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.719 he doesn't. He's just thrown cement mixers or or spiking it. 765 00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:55.440 Like he does not have the feel for it. So 766 00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:58.079 that leaves him with a fastball. I know you said 767 00:39:58.079 --> 00:39:59.840 the velocity has been down. He ran it up to 768 00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:04.159 like ninety eight ninety nine. This wasn't like bad, but 769 00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:07.800 it's one pitch. Yeah, right, So he walks a guy. 770 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:10.760 His command is not good. He walks, the guy gets 771 00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:14.360 an out Ryan Walshman. It's a home run, second of 772 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:19.360 the year for Ryan Welshman. Okay, it happens. It's a 773 00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:24.239 bad run. The Dodgers are you know, you know, they 774 00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:24.719 don't care. 775 00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:28.519 Fine, whatever, they just start caring probably but maybe yeah, 776 00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:32.760 probably the three I know they therefore as the three seed, 777 00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:33.920 but they should probably care. 778 00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:39.519 Yeah. They then the next game, Dodgers take a one 779 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:43.760 nothing lead into the ninth. I mean, Dave comes right 780 00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:45.760 back and goes to Edwin Diaz. 781 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:48.320 Yeah, and all I. 782 00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:51.239 Posted was like going back to the guy who admittedly 783 00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:53.519 doesn't have one of his two pitches, is going. 784 00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:55.239 Back to the bridge at three am for more Edwin 785 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:56.159 dis is. 786 00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:58.880 Yeah, it was olives right like it. I was like, 787 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:03.599 this is I said, it's such a Dave move, which 788 00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:06.639 isn't even like it isn't it. It's an implicit criticism, 789 00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:08.920 but it's it's not even it's To me, it was 790 00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:09.599 it was just. 791 00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:13.239 Crazy says I've heard you make about Dave Roberts bullpen 792 00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:14.559 management in the last decade. 793 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:18.559 It's pretty tepid, right, like it is, It's just it, 794 00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:21.079 and it really is a Dave move. He loves to 795 00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:24.320 get a guy on the horn we have to get 796 00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:28.119 and his move is to put him right back into leverage. 797 00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:30.400 He loves to do this and and a lot of 798 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:33.559 times I actually agree with it. I do think these 799 00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:37.239 like these guys, for their mentality, need to go right 800 00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:40.679 back in and and feel that the manager trusts them. 801 00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:43.679 Now on a six game losing streak, now. 802 00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:45.880 On a sixth game. It was a five game losing streak, 803 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:48.360 and what you turned it into six with Diaz and 804 00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:51.360 and the biggest part of it to me is he 805 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:53.440 doesn't have one of his pitches and he knows it 806 00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:57.679 and everyone knows it. So are you setting him up 807 00:41:57.760 --> 00:41:59.960 to succeed? Right? Are? 808 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:00.199 Are you? 809 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.400 Are you putting him in a situation where he can 810 00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:07.000 get that confidence back, because it's it's one thing if 811 00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:09.079 like you have your pitches, you're just on a bad run. 812 00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:12.480 That was a lot of Tanner Scott last year, right, Like, 813 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:14.440 in a lot of ways, his velocity was fine, his 814 00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.480 slider wasn't. It was a lot of location and maybe 815 00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:19.960 being too predictable, but they couldn't figure out what it was, 816 00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:22.639 and so Dave just kept going back to him and 817 00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:25.519 it drove me insane. But I but I understood it 818 00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:29.000 to some degree. When you know, Colin, when we talked 819 00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.480 about it before, you said, like, it's different when a 820 00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:36.840 guy doesn't have the pitch. Yeah, And that that to 821 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:37.840 me was the difference here. 822 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.280 Yeah, it's it's it's it's like I mean, it's not 823 00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:44.199 whether it's from coming back from injury or just some 824 00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:47.719 sort of mechanical thing. It's it's different when you're going 825 00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:52.280 back to a guy just because he ran and he 826 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:54.639 he had a bad outing. You want to you don't 827 00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:57.679 want him to lose the confidence whatever versus he struggled 828 00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:01.000 for a very specific reason that need to be addressed. 829 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:05.199 The ladder. He hasn't addressed it since the game ended 830 00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:08.920 last night. Yes, exactly right, Like he didn't. You didn't 831 00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:10.840 even give him a day to do a bullpen session 832 00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:13.159 or whatever. Actually wouldn't do after he pitched anyway. But 833 00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.519 like so he throws him right back in the fire, 834 00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:21.960 lead off triple second batter. I forget who who it was. 835 00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:26.840 It was Permo and Domo and then Corbyn Carroll because 836 00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:28.840 he knows bastball is coming right. 837 00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:30.800 Also, if you're going to bring him back, like maybe in. 838 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:34.639 A against Perdomo, Carrol and and Market like. 839 00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:35.440 The bottom of the order. 840 00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:36.360 Maybe, man. 841 00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:40.199 It was I think it was the bottom of there 842 00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:42.119 against order to get him in there against tim Tawa, 843 00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:43.760 but he might give up a home run to Tim Powaw. 844 00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:47.119 Tim Tawa is torching the Dodgers. He's hitting five hundred. 845 00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:50.079 I think against he went it was Perdomo, Carroll, moreno 846 00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:53.559 Marte and then he intentionally walked a new bar and 847 00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:53.960 then I. 848 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:56.719 Mean, right, so Carrol hits a lead off trip. I 849 00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:59.320 mean sorry, Perdomo hits a lead off triple Carol hits 850 00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:02.639 a triple, so it is now tie. Game runner on third, 851 00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:08.440 no out Moreno hits a screamer line drive to Max Muncy. 852 00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:12.039 It wasn't a double play, but he gets an out, 853 00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:14.079 he gets a pop out, there was a walk, and 854 00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:18.559 then he got a strikeout. Okay, So then I get 855 00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:22.800 people giving me the well it worked out, it didn't 856 00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:27.280 you know? And then and I have to tell you, 857 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:31.199 like I don't think back to back triples? Is it 858 00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:32.880 is like working out? 859 00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:33.280 Yeah? 860 00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.440 I did he get out of it? Yeah? 861 00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:37.320 He does that? 862 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.679 Diez he That's the other part is like that's just 863 00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:44.159 how Edwin Diaz pitches when he's good. But like he 864 00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:46.320 also wasn't good, Like the reason. 865 00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:49.199 Instead of two triples? 866 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:51.920 Right, I shouldn't. I shouldn't say the reason Corbyn Carroll 867 00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.639 hit a triple. Corbyn Carrol hits a ton of fucking triples. 868 00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:56.840 But like, did it help that he knew he was 869 00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:59.079 gonna throw a fastball? I have to think so. 870 00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:03.480 The Gabriel Marino line out to third was hit one 871 00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:06.920 hundred and six miles an hour, hadn't expected batting average 872 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:09.119 six ninety. It was the third hardest hit ball of 873 00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:10.159 that entire game. 874 00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:15.880 Did did it work out? Yes? But also though, like, 875 00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:19.639 can we can we be honest about whether something works 876 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:19.840 or not? 877 00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:24.079 We have to dunk on Crag even if it's I mean, look, 878 00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:26.480 I'm fine with that frankly, but we should be in 879 00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:28.679 all actually consistent when we're dunking on Craig as much 880 00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:29.239 as possible. 881 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:34.199 He gives you opportunities to dunk on him when yes, yeah, 882 00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:37.559 don't talk to me about the race please, like that 883 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:40.440 is a very valid dunk. I have had a bad 884 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:42.920 take on the Rais and I've stood by it all year. 885 00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:46.159 Do you like calling it a Dave move? 886 00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:51.119 Is not even like he just is a Dave move. 887 00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:52.679 I'm not wrong on that. 888 00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:55.840 The man has watched a lot of Dave Roberts, but 889 00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:59.159 I've watched a lot of Dave Roberts. We are all 890 00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:01.039 richer for it, and yeah. 891 00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:02.599 I and yeah that guy and then I did I 892 00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:04.320 did get into it with a guy who just was 893 00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:06.880 like weirdly aggressive to me about it and like I 894 00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:07.639 wasn't even. 895 00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:11.119 Being Edwind is like a tenny ra Like. I know 896 00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:14.079 it's a small sample, but he didn't look great before 897 00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.280 the injury either. Do you think he makes a playoff roster. 898 00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:20.440 Edwin d asked, Yeah, I mean, yeah, sure, I. 899 00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:22.679 Mean they're capable of just like not carrying him if 900 00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:23.440 they don't think he can. 901 00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:26.400 I you know, it sounds like they're losing Will Klein 902 00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:31.159 for the season. He's got bone chips in his elbow, 903 00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:34.000 so yeah, I don't know. I mean, the bullpen had 904 00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:37.000 been running really well and then is extremely not like 905 00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:40.159 everyone outside of Jack Dryer is bad right now. So 906 00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:43.239 you know, as I also, by the way, spent an 907 00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:46.440 entire offseason saying like, when are they gonna remove Jack 908 00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:48.599 Dryer from the forty man? And he's the lynchpin of 909 00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:53.280 the bullpen right now, so who knows? A donat Do 910 00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:54.599 you want to do one more or take a break? 911 00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:57.159 I don't know. 912 00:46:57.559 --> 00:46:59.360 I think go either way, Craig, you just said. 913 00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:02.159 Let's let's take a break and we can come back 914 00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:28.039 with the rest of the show. Welcome back to episode 915 00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.519 five hundred and seventy of five and dive. We're on 916 00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:35.119 segment three. Ooh, baby, baby, it's a wild card. I 917 00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:36.559 know that one, Jeff, I just. 918 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:39.400 I know, I've said it twenty times. I died picked 919 00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:40.159 up on it at some point. 920 00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:45.000 Yeah, I think I picked up on it immediately that 921 00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:51.400 one Clay Holmes activated for the Cubs. Not a great start, No, 922 00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:55.000 and again it doesn't. Of Mets pitching acquisitions for the Cubs, 923 00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:56.480 David Peterson has gone better. 924 00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:59.559 Yes, and like again they don't. The Cubs are kind 925 00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:01.159 of where they are. They can just spend the next 926 00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:03.480 month getting play homes back up. 927 00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:06.719 It's not, yeah, I mean they are. They are five 928 00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:08.079 and a half back of Milwaukee. 929 00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:08.599 Yeah. 930 00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:13.280 I wouldn't say it's a closed yeah, but it's yeah. 931 00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:21.480 I Pakoda always doubting Milwaukee and loving the Cubs. If 932 00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:24.480 you are not looking, Jeffrey, what would you guess, Pokoda. 933 00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:27.400 It's like Jesus waves like teeed it up to me. 934 00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:29.280 I will see it. 935 00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.559 But I will also tell you. I will tell you 936 00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:38.280 the Yankees are thirteen zero point three percent for the division. 937 00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:40.639 They're about five and a half back too, aren't they 938 00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:43.920 They might be exactly you let me. I'm gonna say 939 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:44.880 thirty six percent. 940 00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:47.679 The Yankees are also exactly five and a half back. 941 00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:50.760 You overshot it a little because I laid it on thick. Yeah, 942 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.480 that's right, but you're you're you're in the right direction. 943 00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:55.840 Twenty seven point seven percent. 944 00:48:56.119 --> 00:48:56.760 That's too high. 945 00:48:57.239 --> 00:48:59.440 It's it is too high. I think it's too high too. 946 00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.800 It is too high. But I do think of the 947 00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:03.599 fifteen ish. 948 00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:08.119 Fifteen Again again, I'm not look, I'm not the Cup 949 00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:09.960 schedule to see how many times they fight the Brewers 950 00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:10.480 down the stretch. 951 00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:12.639 But right, yeah, sure, five and a half. 952 00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:14.320 It does make it. Five and a half versus seven 953 00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:15.679 does make a difference, right with this. 954 00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:20.079 Yea few games also a better team. Seven is also 955 00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:22.239 a better team than the race. 956 00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:24.119 If they have seven games with the Cubs left, I 957 00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:26.400 can see what Pakoda thinks they're a better team. Pakota 958 00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:27.840 might think they go five and two in that and 959 00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:28.320 that makes it. 960 00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:31.719 Right and it closes the gap substantially. I don't think 961 00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:33.719 you're right, and I don't think that is the situation, 962 00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:36.239 and it would change things a lot obviously in those. 963 00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:37.880 If they do go five and two, then yes, that 964 00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:40.360 the percentages are probably closer to it. 965 00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:44.039 Yeah. How how do you feel about the Cubs with 966 00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:46.039 the pitching overhaul? 967 00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:50.079 I just I don't know, Like they're fine. They're like 968 00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:56.760 the exact amount of fine that will keep them getting 969 00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:59.960 too much criticism, But a lot of the process they 970 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:03.039 yet here going back. You know what twenty months now 971 00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:08.519 to the Kyle Tucker trade has been kind of ponderous. 972 00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:12.039 Do you mean since I liked the Tucker trade, I 973 00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:13.039 just everything. 974 00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.800 After that, No, I mean just yeah, like they didn't 975 00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:17.880 really follow up on it, right, and they didn't sign 976 00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:21.480 Talker long term, but whatever. But they they seem to 977 00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:27.880 be kind of peaking at like eighty seven to ninety 978 00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:30.400 win team that has to go through the wildcard round 979 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:32.719 even if they win the division, right, Like, it does 980 00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:35.199 feel a little bit and like is that like we 981 00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:40.199 talked about this, you know, with the Orioles and might 982 00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:43.599 like the Cubs also did a pretty not as deep 983 00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:48.639 a trow as the Orioles. They did a pretty significant 984 00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:50.480 rebuild and they seem to have peaked it around an 985 00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:53.400 eighty eight win team. Mm hmm, So, like, what are 986 00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:58.480 we doing with Jed Hoyer? Exactly? Any reasonable question to ask, 987 00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:01.280 Like what maybe the expectations are. This is fine, they're 988 00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:03.840 printing money in Brigleyville. The team's good enough to make 989 00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:07.760 the playoffs, like this is all fine for everybody involved 990 00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:10.280 in the process. That maybe the Cups fans, But. 991 00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:13.159 Yeah, I mean, I mean I'd be interested. Colin. Obviously 992 00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:16.119 you're white Sox fan. But you're you're in the area. 993 00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:21.280 I live like three miles from Wigleyfield. Yes, So what 994 00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:24.159 is the the vibe? 995 00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:27.760 I think it's hard for me to say what the 996 00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:29.400 vibe is because that would require me to go out 997 00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:33.880 and be like a social human being. The thing that 998 00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:36.760 I wonder about this team with these rotation editions, The 999 00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:39.159 thing that I thought from the trade deadline with Gusman 1000 00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:43.599 and with Clay Holmes is what the trickle down effect 1001 00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.719 could be with their bullpen, which was a real sore spot, 1002 00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:51.679 and the fact that I think it raises their floor 1003 00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:56.159 in the sense that they're not going to be required 1004 00:51:56.719 --> 00:51:59.880 to lean on guys like Colin Ray have, Javier Sad 1005 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:03.039 Aaron Savally is how you pronounce that? By the way, 1006 00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:08.559 guys uh down the stretch and it will. It just 1007 00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:12.239 eases the load on the rest of the arms, but 1008 00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:16.920 it doesn't raise their ceiling because Gaussman isn't the ace 1009 00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:21.360 level picture he was in recent history. They are getting 1010 00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:24.199 Cabrera back. I think Edward Cabrera is on a rehabit 1011 00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:26.800 sign right now, but he just adds to that same 1012 00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.559 load of similar type of pictures. 1013 00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:31.639 It's all like three three and a half ish. 1014 00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:38.320 Yeah, it feels very It feels very built for regular 1015 00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:40.079 season success more than playoff success. 1016 00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.360 Right. I do want to point out, as I did 1017 00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:47.400 in a recent podcast Colin, that you need to take 1018 00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:51.599 it up with Baseball Reference, who says Aaron Aaron's last 1019 00:52:51.679 --> 00:53:01.400 name is Civilly? Really? Or yes, that's what Baseball Reference 1020 00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:06.039 says civil All right, So the point is nobody knows. 1021 00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:07.920 Now I'm fucked up. Now I'm fucked up. 1022 00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:10.800 He's having his jack Le moment. 1023 00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:15.159 Yes, that legitimately broke my brain. When I just dis 1024 00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:20.719 like an end that doesn't get addressed, I I agree 1025 00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:23.199 with you. I do think it's interesting. So like they 1026 00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:27.159 get I haven't checked on him recently, but like, is 1027 00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:28.800 Peterson a ground ball guy? 1028 00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:30.960 Jeff, Yes, he is theoretically, so. 1029 00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:35.400 Like they're really leaning into their defense, right, their infield defenses, 1030 00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:36.199 and they need. 1031 00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:38.760 Guys like that, because if showed him in Monoga is 1032 00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:40.599 pitching on a warm dayt Wriggley Field, he's going to 1033 00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:45.360 give up a Justin Robleski amount of home runs And yeah. 1034 00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:45.840 So. 1035 00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:52.639 Gusman obviously gets a lot of ground balls. H If 1036 00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:54.960 Peterson is getting around balls, Clay Holmes gets a lot 1037 00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:59.320 of ground balls, So they're really like it is a 1038 00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:01.599 specific type of picture, and I agree, like that is 1039 00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:04.880 all like generally the kind of guy you want regular season, 1040 00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:05.440 and well I. 1041 00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:08.480 Think there's idea like you make it so a team 1042 00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:11.079 has to get three base hits against you in the playoffs. 1043 00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:14.199 But also like David Peterson and Clay Holmes will give 1044 00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:15.960 up hope runs despite throwing sinkers. 1045 00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:21.440 Its yeah, like yeah, Also, look it happens to Gossman too, right, 1046 00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:24.199 like that hat he was very good in the playoffs 1047 00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:26.679 last year. He also you know, I think this final 1048 00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:30.360 line versus the Dodgers was was like three three earned 1049 00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:32.800 in six innings, and it was it was gutty. He 1050 00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:37.159 was really good. But it's also just barely a quality start. 1051 00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:40.800 Question for me is more, look like I think they're 1052 00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:43.840 gonna be the probably the wild card one. Right, They're 1053 00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:46.199 going to play the Phillis of the Diamondbacks and the 1054 00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:49.760 in the first and the like that can go. However 1055 00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:50.639 it's going to go, it's to play. 1056 00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:53.280 They are they are. 1057 00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:55.800 They are six games clear of a different playoff spot 1058 00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:57.840 than they are in it in either direction. 1059 00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:03.360 Basically so, but like after the season, literally their entire rotation, 1060 00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:07.639 including the guys they traded for are free agents and Managa. 1061 00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:09.880 And it's not just a pitching either. It's you know, 1062 00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:13.800 it's in halp and Stay a Suzuki. And they're going 1063 00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:18.280 to make some significant roster overhauls. And I think they're 1064 00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:20.280 gonna do just enough to get back to eighty eight wins, right, 1065 00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:24.559 Like that's the it's gonna be hard, a little bit less. 1066 00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:31.159 But the interesting thing, like I think they're you guys 1067 00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:32.920 have talked a lot about their offense. Their offense has 1068 00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:36.199 been fine for most of the season. If some guys 1069 00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:39.119 get if some guys cool off, other guys get hot. 1070 00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:40.039 Like they've got a lot of I. 1071 00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:43.000 Mean they have a one ten a team ops plus 1072 00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:47.599 of one ten. It's been good, good, but it started 1073 00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:50.039 off on fire. Now it's just it's merely good. Yeah. 1074 00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:53.480 The thing that you asked about the vibes earlier in Chicago, 1075 00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:55.480 I think the real question mark. And I don't know 1076 00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:58.719 if this gets talked about a lot nationally. He has 1077 00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:01.599 a huge reputation in he had success in Milwaukee. But 1078 00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:05.760 Craig Council pulling the right strings with this many pitching 1079 00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:07.800 options in the playoffs, I think makes a lot of 1080 00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:11.800 people nervous. I think that there's not a lot of 1081 00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:16.400 faith in him basically using the right arms in the 1082 00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:19.599 right spots. Well, he doesn't win when there's not an 1083 00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:22.719 obvious pecking order, which there isn't either in the rotation 1084 00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:24.280 or the bullpen right now. 1085 00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:26.760 He doesn't have the like in Milwaukee, he can just like, 1086 00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:28.880 all right, I'm just going to Aaron Ashby for two innings. 1087 00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:32.360 Yeah right, if somebody is going five every day, I 1088 00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:33.639 guess he can do that with Ben Brown. 1089 00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:39.760 But if Ben Brown's Ben Brown has as throwing thing. Yeah, 1090 00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:40.400 he's throwing. 1091 00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:44.559 He's not on rehab yet, so he's behind Edward Cabrera. 1092 00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:48.239 I guess they wouldn't after the trades. But like Ben 1093 00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:51.039 Brown is one of your four best starters. 1094 00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:54.800 Starting, he might start one of them. They're gonna start 1095 00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:56.000 Osmin and Holmes, I assume. 1096 00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:58.360 So I assume there's going to start Osmin Holmes in 1097 00:56:58.400 --> 00:56:58.920 a Monaga. 1098 00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:03.960 Yeah, boy and I don't think too Yeah, yeah, boys, 1099 00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:05.079 I feel. 1100 00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:08.440 Yeah, No, I'm sorry, Boyd was Boyd has been very goodly. 1101 00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:12.719 Boyd might I shouldn't have I forgot to mention. 1102 00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:15.880 Especially splitting up the lefties and right they might go. Gouseman, 1103 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:18.000 Boyd wanted to, you know, and. 1104 00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:20.440 Like Peterson has had success in the playoffs, just coming 1105 00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:21.199 in throwing. 1106 00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:25.559 For no forgetting about Boyd. I do think in that case, 1107 00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:28.119 you you do put Brown because he was very good 1108 00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:30.119 as a reliever and he has the ability to gomost. 1109 00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:32.199 He's a weird Andrew Miller. 1110 00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:35.800 You're gonna go pretty short, I would expect with Gossman, 1111 00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:37.400 Boyd and Homes. 1112 00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:38.840 And I feel like you're going everyone. 1113 00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:41.199 Depends on how he does. 1114 00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:43.559 I guess he had a nice start. It was against 1115 00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:44.199 the Royals, but. 1116 00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:49.079 Yes, I was I was watching. I was watching that game, uh, 1117 00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:52.280 you know, with some friends, and uh he got hit 1118 00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:54.679 in by line drive in the back of the foot. 1119 00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:57.199 And right after I was saying that they're not huge 1120 00:57:57.199 --> 00:57:59.280 sports fans, huge baseball fans, But I was like, Gousan 1121 00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:02.119 is gonna be good for the Cubs because he can 1122 00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:04.320 pitch deep into games and he never gets hurt. 1123 00:58:04.360 --> 00:58:07.239 He's very durable. And then a second later the trainer 1124 00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:11.480 was out on the mound with him. But yes, yeah, no, 1125 00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:14.639 I do if Ben Brown can be healthy and as 1126 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:17.840 you know, right, you know who these guys come back, 1127 00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:21.119 but they're not always fully one hundred percent. Like but 1128 00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:23.639 if he if he can be close, that's that's a 1129 00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:26.480 difference maker for the bullpen. It's also interesting and I'm 1130 00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:29.119 not doubting their experiences. They watch the Cubs every day 1131 00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:32.400 and I don't, but like they're getting great seasons out 1132 00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:35.199 of Jacob Webb, Ryan Rolinson and Trent Thornton, you know 1133 00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:36.960 what I mean, Like I don't know that he's doing 1134 00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:39.400 something wrong. 1135 00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:42.599 Yeah, I think it's more. I mean, all of my 1136 00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:45.400 everything I'm saying is more anecdotal than like evidence based. 1137 00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:48.599 But it's more just like some questionable stuff about like 1138 00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:51.079 leaving starters in a bat or too long kind of 1139 00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:53.159 that kind of thing, or or leaving a reliever in 1140 00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:55.000 when you obviously had a left. 1141 00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:59.440 Eye, very Mendoza like criticisms. Yes, it's good as you 1142 00:58:59.440 --> 00:58:59.960 got to before. 1143 00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:02.360 Remember, people who don't follow the Cubs calus, we might 1144 00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:04.079 be surprised to you because council has a really good 1145 00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:04.920 national reputation. 1146 00:59:05.079 --> 00:59:08.400 I know, I know, I know Hubs fans since he's 1147 00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:12.639 been there have have. Fans of the team are always 1148 00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:14.159 about the manager more close. 1149 00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:15.880 I thought you did fine last year in the playoffs. 1150 00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:17.519 They were just kind of limited by. 1151 00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:23.119 They had Yeah, well, Game one against Milwaukee boy Nico 1152 00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:25.920 Horner committed air that blew the whole game up, and 1153 00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:27.559 their whole pitching plan went to ship. 1154 00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:31.239 Which also like again like they they very intentionally leaned 1155 00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:33.760 into how good they're infield defense is. And so then 1156 00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:37.760 you have Nico Horner, who's a superlative defender, make a mistake, 1157 00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:40.440 and like, that's that's what happens in the playoffs, right 1158 00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:42.199 every and you can't you can't plan for that, and 1159 00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:44.039 you can't blame the manager for that. No, and you 1160 00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:46.960 can't replace him either, right, Like it's not like, oh, 1161 00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:49.239 he should have done something. No, you're gonna play Nico Horner. 1162 00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:52.480 They just extended like three fifty this season. 1163 00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:59.519 Yes, uh so. The NL Wild Card has three teams 1164 00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:04.360 for two spots below the Cubs. The Diamondbacks and Phillies 1165 01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:07.000 are tied at sixty three and fifty six, occupying the 1166 01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:10.880 second and third spots. The Padres are one game out. Again, 1167 01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:13.599 if you want to be kind to the Marlins and Cardinals, 1168 01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:15.000 they're three and three and a half out. 1169 01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:17.400 I don't like I think the teams are trying to 1170 01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:21.639 Either of those teams are like good two weeks away 1171 01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:24.119 from being back in it. I just don't know if 1172 01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:26.199 they plan on having those good two weeks. Right, the 1173 01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:28.400 Cardinals have actually played our right since the and they 1174 01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:30.840 didn't like they traded Dustin May and Jojo Romero and 1175 01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:33.199 they traded a ton Oh yeah, new Bar. But like 1176 01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:35.559 they have, like they played half the season without new 1177 01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:38.119 Bar and we're above five hundred, that's right, so I'd like, 1178 01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:41.159 I think the Cardinals are just gonna I think at this. 1179 01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:43.360 Point, the Cardinals are gonna keep on keeping on. And 1180 01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:45.920 if they finished three and a half, three four games 1181 01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:47.639 out of a playoff spot, that's. 1182 01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:49.599 Just what they're gonna get, like eighty three wins, and 1183 01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:52.039 I think the NL wild Card will be more than 1184 01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:55.719 that at this point, right, Maybe not a lot more than. 1185 01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:58.960 That, but yeah, I mean the Padres are a game back. 1186 01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:03.199 Jackson Merril has woken up, ye Manny Machado is hitting 1187 01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:04.199 a little bit more lately. 1188 01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:09.079 I saw they fixed quote unquote their rotation at the deadline. 1189 01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:09.679 We'll see how that. 1190 01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:15.119 They continued their theme of picking up White Sox outcast 1191 01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:16.679 by claiming Austin Hayes. 1192 01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:24.519 I did uh, I did see. Mike Petriello noted Fernando 1193 01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:29.440 Tatis adjusted his stance. Uh, he was. He was more 1194 01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:32.400 closed off for the majority of the season. He's opened 1195 01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:35.159 literally you can you can match up, like when his 1196 01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:38.360 hot streak started, and it's when he started opening up 1197 01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:39.559 his stance the way he used to. 1198 01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:42.920 I think your hitting coach would be like paying attention 1199 01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:45.000 to like looking at the video at that. 1200 01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:49.159 I'm not saying don't close off and try and improve 1201 01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.119 yourself or whatever. But also like he wasn't a bad 1202 01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:56.639 hitter before, so I don't know why it was the 1203 01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:59.960 power it was it was the weird lack of power. No, no, sorry, 1204 01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:02.719 I meant like before this year, Like all he didn't 1205 01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:04.320 have a lack of power before this year, So look, 1206 01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:06.159 why were we messing with it? But yes, you're right, 1207 01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:07.000 he wasn't hitting. 1208 01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:11.119 Sometimes they're doing right, like they dis slowly start closing 1209 01:02:11.159 --> 01:02:12.880 their stance and don't really Yeah, but again. 1210 01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:15.119 Yeah that's true. But again that is to your point, 1211 01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:18.480 like why is that not someone in the organization should 1212 01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:19.079 be Look, let's go. 1213 01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:20.639 See what's different because you haven't head a home run 1214 01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:21.199 for two months. 1215 01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:24.599 Yeah, Tatis, since the All Star break is three oh seven, 1216 01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:28.000 four oh two, six oh two, he's been really good. 1217 01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:31.000 I mean he's really good normally, but. 1218 01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:31.599 Like that J. 1219 01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:33.159 Frowler can't keep getting away with it. 1220 01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:35.559 Yeah, here we are so so I guess it's not 1221 01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:38.000 it's not exactly. I don't know if can you while 1222 01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:39.719 I say this, Colin, can you pull up his numbers 1223 01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:44.840 since June? Because in March, start of June, what's that 1224 01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:48.039 since the start of June? Yeah, first of June. In 1225 01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:51.719 March and April he was ten his stance angle was 1226 01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:54.800 he was ten degrees open. In May he was fifteen 1227 01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:58.000 degrees open, and starting in June he went to thirty 1228 01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:01.360 six degrees open. Great, and he's been over thirty most 1229 01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:03.639 of the time. In if you go to last year, 1230 01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:06.559 it was anywhere between twenty six and fifty two. 1231 01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:10.440 Since the start of June, he's a ninety seven, three, 1232 01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:15.440 sixty three, five or four. Yeah, yeah, eight sixty seven. 1233 01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:18.599 I mean that's the Fernando Tatis junior season basically. 1234 01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:21.519 Yes, since the start of June, he had ten homers 1235 01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:27.679 during that time. He's not running? Is he running as much? 1236 01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:29.840 I think I saw his stolen bases were down or 1237 01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:32.679 something like that. He's twelve of eighteen on stolen basis 1238 01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:35.679 and it's not he leads the cost stealing. 1239 01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:38.559 He maybe shouldn't run if he's twelve of eighteen. 1240 01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:41.000 Yeah, he leads the league in cast stealings this year, 1241 01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:43.880 which is saying something considering Chandler, something exists. 1242 01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:50.159 Yeah, so the Pirates have faded. You know, we mentioned 1243 01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:51.280 extending it out. 1244 01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:54.480 To the Yeah, we have Cardinals fit further out now 1245 01:03:54.559 --> 01:03:56.000 for the Pirates. Just last year, the. 1246 01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:58.800 Pirates are five and a half fountain. Now, So I 1247 01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:03.679 I talked to Hibout. I mean, I follow and and 1248 01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:09.519 track a bunch of Pirates fans. Uh, not necessarily on purpose, 1249 01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:12.920 but it just kind of happens. H Alex Kershner of 1250 01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:16.719 Slate and Split Zone duo, he does a college football 1251 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:20.719 writing and podcasts. He he is a notable one. And 1252 01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:23.960 I think he said this was like he listed out 1253 01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:29.400 his least favorite Pirates teams, like of recent vintage, I guess, 1254 01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:33.880 and he had this team at number one that like 1255 01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:38.880 this was I saw, And I saw a conversation between 1256 01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:42.000 him and Pat Lackey, which if people don't know, if 1257 01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:45.280 if you were back on the blogs, way back is 1258 01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:50.119 where have you gone? Andy Vance? Like gush and and 1259 01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:53.880 Pat pointed out and I agree with him, like if 1260 01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:59.119 you're not a Pirates fan. Yeh, you would say that's insane. 1261 01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:02.679 With this season too, and I still don't understand it, 1262 01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:05.239 Like what's that Mets fans are doing that with this 1263 01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:07.440 season too, and I still don't understand it, Like you've 1264 01:05:07.519 --> 01:05:10.320 just watched so much bad baseball. I mean I get 1265 01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:12.480 the idea of like you had actual expectations. I don't 1266 01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:14.639 know if Pirates fans showed out frankly, but maybe they did. 1267 01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:19.639 And like the disappointment level, it's like you you care 1268 01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:23.000 more if you have a bad meal like a Michelin 1269 01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:25.960 Stard restaurant than a fast casual. 1270 01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:28.880 Well, I don't know. I think for Alex and I 1271 01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:31.039 don't want to put words in his mouth, but my 1272 01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:35.719 interpretation is you had hope right, Like this wasn't even 1273 01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:37.840 necessarily entering the season with a ton of hope, but 1274 01:05:37.960 --> 01:05:40.840 like they gave them so much hope early on sure 1275 01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:43.719 only to have this collapse. 1276 01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:48.760 Yeah, I mean expectations. Expectations play a huge role in it. 1277 01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:54.119 I mean, it's Craig, last year you talked how much 1278 01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:58.000 how miserable the Dodgers made you that July I truly 1279 01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:01.960 was basically all regular seas and you know, so just 1280 01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:06.320 like extrapolate that down to based on various expectations of 1281 01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:10.519 various franchises, and it makes sense. I mean, I'm experiencing 1282 01:06:10.599 --> 01:06:12.679 the absolute flip of it last year. Like last year's 1283 01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:14.639 White Sox were not miserable to me because they lost 1284 01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:16.519 a hundred games, and I expected them to lose a 1285 01:06:16.599 --> 01:06:19.320 hundred games. This year, they can do no wrong for 1286 01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:22.119 me because they're having their season and you know, six 1287 01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:25.719 years or whatever. It's so everything with any of these 1288 01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:29.960 fan bases is expectations based. Maybe Pirates fans had higher 1289 01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:32.760 expectations this year than they don't think. 1290 01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:34.360 There's also I. 1291 01:06:34.360 --> 01:06:36.119 Think there's also the idea that you've got like you've 1292 01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:38.519 got the Paul Skins, TI can't clock here right where 1293 01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:42.719 you Yeah. Yeah, he obviously hasn't been good, but you know, 1294 01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:45.480 early on in the season he was good, Ashcraft was good, 1295 01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:49.840 Mchinski was good, Keller was good Ish for like a 1296 01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:53.480 little bit right. It was like a three and a 1297 01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:56.000 half ur Ben there as he usually does in the 1298 01:06:56.039 --> 01:06:58.320 first couple of months, and then like all the pitching's 1299 01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:00.639 gone wrong and that's like more. 1300 01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:03.920 The funny thing is that Bubba Chandler has kind of 1301 01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:04.960 started his kind. 1302 01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:10.199 Yeah, but like if the Pirates were going to be 1303 01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:12.800 a playoff contender in the new year term, it was 1304 01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:14.360 good to get the strength of these young arms. The 1305 01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:16.800 fact that they've all not just schemes, they've all gone 1306 01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:21.199 backwards a little bit, I think is more possibly more 1307 01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:22.159 uh depressed. 1308 01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:24.920 Well, and they came out they were hitting, they were 1309 01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:29.320 really hitting as a team. And you know Nick Gonzalez 1310 01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:30.360 in the Monitors right. 1311 01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:33.639 Like Brandon Law has now gone back to just being 1312 01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:37.239 Brandon Law. It is still an improvement over. Yeah, he's 1313 01:07:38.199 --> 01:07:40.079 the medium and. 1314 01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:42.440 Was improvement over Nick nzal Is the second basement, said 1315 01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:44.000 of nicksal Is the third basement. 1316 01:07:44.119 --> 01:07:47.199 Yes, there's a lot of there's a lot of Jared 1317 01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:50.119 Triolo last weekend against the Mets too. It's still too 1318 01:07:50.159 --> 01:07:50.960 much Jared Triollo. 1319 01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:51.800 Yeah. 1320 01:07:52.280 --> 01:07:55.679 So like as as Merlin Veldez, I think predictably came, Yeah, 1321 01:07:55.800 --> 01:07:57.079 he's under earth a little bit. 1322 01:07:59.000 --> 01:07:59.480 I was. 1323 01:07:59.559 --> 01:08:03.559 I mean, I'm I'm as a I'm very impartial about 1324 01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:05.880 the National League for the most part, the Pirates and 1325 01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:09.000 they're they're an easy team to get behind if you're impartial, 1326 01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:11.400 because they haven't been there in forever. Got a lot 1327 01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:14.079 of fun young players, and I really liked. I mean 1328 01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:19.279 really is relatively speaking, their deadline. I thought that addressing 1329 01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:26.840 just taking a relievers approach to their deadline made sense. Ye, well, 1330 01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:32.520 but they had they have such a small, small level 1331 01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:36.600 of uh, what's the word I'm looking for the fact 1332 01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:39.239 that they got that as soon as the trade deadline hit. 1333 01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:42.880 They you know, sure, you lose three straight to the 1334 01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:44.359 Brewers whatever, no one's going to fail you. And then 1335 01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:46.159 you lose two or three to the Mats. Everyone's like, okay, 1336 01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:48.560 well that's an issue. But you had no, no, no 1337 01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:51.159 wiggle room to have a stretch like that, essentially, And 1338 01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:53.560 they had a stretch like that at the worst possible time. 1339 01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:57.159 I don't think it was really I don't think you 1340 01:08:57.199 --> 01:08:59.600 could foresee it. It's just like it's bad variance kind 1341 01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:01.800 of to a certain extent. But when your team is 1342 01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:06.239 built this way, bad variants that the worst time is 1343 01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:07.319 gonna sink you. 1344 01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:11.520 Yeah. I also think like even the deadline, which I 1345 01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:14.199 think they ultimately did just fine with, right, Like Luke 1346 01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:16.239 Weaver is a great fit for what they needed. I 1347 01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:19.239 think I had another year, Yeah, he gets another year, 1348 01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:24.439 like Bacher is under control for multiple seasons and is fine. 1349 01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:29.479 Like I think he's just fine. This is fine, and 1350 01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:33.520 Kirby Yates it's fine. Yeah, sure, again an improvement over 1351 01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:35.680 what they had in the middle innings. 1352 01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:36.199 For sure. 1353 01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:39.000 They've thrown Kirby Yates four times in the six days 1354 01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:42.600 since they questioned Okay, I am not sure if he 1355 01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:43.760 was not in the last. 1356 01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:48.359 So the thing is though, that like they also did 1357 01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:50.880 nothing the whole deadline until the very end when they 1358 01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:53.039 got all those guys. So like they even in their 1359 01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:56.520 adequacy at the deadline, they tortured their fans because for 1360 01:09:56.760 --> 01:09:58.880 a lot of it it looked like they were doing nothing. 1361 01:09:59.039 --> 01:10:00.520 They're gonna sit on their hand. They were going to 1362 01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:03.800 sit on their hands and you know, while away the time. 1363 01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:08.000 And again I'm gonna go back to what Pat said 1364 01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:10.760 on this swhich is he said, to anyone who is 1365 01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:12.600 not a Pirate fan, you'd look at this Pirate team 1366 01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:14.279 and say, you know, they've come a long way in 1367 01:10:14.319 --> 01:10:16.960 a year. They have significantly fewer parent holes to fill 1368 01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:18.920 for next year than they did last winter. They can 1369 01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:21.079 probably take one to two more cracks at this before 1370 01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:23.760 the pitchers start leaving. And that is I think that 1371 01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:27.399 is what someone who doesn't follow the team could look 1372 01:10:27.439 --> 01:10:29.279 at them and say, look, this is a much better 1373 01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:32.760 season than last year already, and at the same time, 1374 01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:38.479 they're not far enough away from where they were to like, 1375 01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:42.439 if you are closely following this team, it feels like 1376 01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:44.279 a waste and at a. 1377 01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:46.199 Certain point you get tired of the baby steps and 1378 01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:47.279 you're ready for the leap, right. 1379 01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:50.159 Yeah. Well, and Pat especially, I think if you look 1380 01:10:50.199 --> 01:10:52.199 at the White Sox, for example, who were one of 1381 01:10:52.239 --> 01:10:56.720 the worst teams in baseball for years from multiple years, 1382 01:10:56.840 --> 01:10:59.119 and then they're now leading the division. I don't know 1383 01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:01.159 if they're going to hold on that lead, and I 1384 01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:03.520 don't know that they're really a better team than Pittsburgh, 1385 01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:08.000 but they are right, they are leading the division, they 1386 01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:13.600 have a better record, Like it's it's you know. The problem. 1387 01:11:14.279 --> 01:11:16.199 Pat also said, like the problem with the Pirates is 1388 01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:18.960 you just never know if any given seventy nine win 1389 01:11:19.039 --> 01:11:20.520 team will be the best team you're going to see 1390 01:11:20.520 --> 01:11:23.520 for a decade. Yeah, And that is the urgency behind 1391 01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:27.199 this frustration. Whereas to your point about expectations, like the 1392 01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:30.359 White Sox are coming off multiple hundred loss plus lost 1393 01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:33.079 seasons and like this, even if the White Sox are. 1394 01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:36.800 You don't mean to downplay being a White Sox fan 1395 01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:38.600 because it sucks, but they're not compared to like a 1396 01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:40.359 Pirate they were in the playoffs five years ago. Like 1397 01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:43.079 the Pirates has been like cool, but. 1398 01:11:43.119 --> 01:11:46.000 Like coming from the where they came from, Like if 1399 01:11:46.039 --> 01:11:48.199 they blow the division or you're going to be happy 1400 01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:50.600 for the times that you had this year, you're gonna 1401 01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:54.520 be happy for Murakami and Vargas and they're also the most. 1402 01:11:54.319 --> 01:11:57.520 Making the wild Card is like a game under five 1403 01:11:57.600 --> 01:11:58.399 hundred right now. 1404 01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:00.800 But I don't like I'm I mean, we talked. 1405 01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:02.920 I had a lot of conversations with White Sox fans 1406 01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:05.720 for the season about you know, if they won. 1407 01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:08.199 There was there was joke. There was a joke at the. 1408 01:12:08.239 --> 01:12:11.439 White Sox fan fest before the season the White Sox 1409 01:12:11.479 --> 01:12:14.680 improved by twenty wins last year. They went from forty wins, 1410 01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:17.520 forty one wins to sixty one wins, right, and Chris 1411 01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:19.760 get They're like, what's the expectation after that? And he goes, 1412 01:12:19.760 --> 01:12:22.119 how about we improved by twenty more wins And everyone's like, 1413 01:12:22.359 --> 01:12:24.359 oh my god, that's insane. Also, that would just make 1414 01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:28.439 them a five hundred team, you know, but everyone everyone 1415 01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:30.399 like pie in the sky. They're like that's never gonna happen. 1416 01:12:30.439 --> 01:12:32.399 If they finished five hundred, I'll be over the moon, 1417 01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:35.560 and obviously they have blown. 1418 01:12:35.319 --> 01:12:37.199 And they might and they might win the division with it. 1419 01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:40.279 Yes, the thing about the Pirates, I think what I'm 1420 01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:44.359 what I'm guessing Pat's point here is to a certain extent, 1421 01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:45.640 and again I don't want to put words in his 1422 01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:50.760 mouth either, is that. Yes, you you don't know when 1423 01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:53.760 the seventy nine win team is going to You don't 1424 01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:55.319 know that if that's going to be the peak of 1425 01:12:55.680 --> 01:12:59.000 this current window. But at a certain point, especially after 1426 01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:02.760 eleven twelve straight years of not making the playoffs, you 1427 01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:05.119 don't want to be treated like the little brother anymore. 1428 01:13:05.159 --> 01:13:07.680 Like the Pirates finished close to five hundred and everyone was, Oh, 1429 01:13:07.760 --> 01:13:08.239 that's cute. 1430 01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:09.319 You guys tried. That was nice. 1431 01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:11.279 So you had a nice little season. You want to 1432 01:13:11.319 --> 01:13:13.680 start behaving like a grown up. You want to start 1433 01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:16.359 sitting at the adult table, and you get tired of it, 1434 01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:18.239 like this is the year we're going to get treated 1435 01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:21.199 with respect, and it's some like bullshit. 1436 01:13:21.640 --> 01:13:24.560 I think what you're saying right now is Alex's point. Yes, 1437 01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:26.800 that's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, yeah, well so 1438 01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:29.399 you were saying, like Patt and alex have a slight disagreement, 1439 01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:33.000 but like alex Is is saying, like, you know, as 1440 01:13:33.079 --> 01:13:35.479 he said, like I disliked the conjob years, like he 1441 01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:37.760 felt like they might have been something and then they 1442 01:13:37.800 --> 01:13:40.880 turned into the Pirates. Yeah, yeah, and that feels for 1443 01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:44.439 him worse than years where he could just check out, we've. 1444 01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:47.119 Done the frisky thing like for like four years running 1445 01:13:47.159 --> 01:13:48.760 now because they've had aprils. 1446 01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:51.399 Like but normally it's over in April. 1447 01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:55.079 Yeah, right, Yes, It's like the old old old Royals, 1448 01:13:55.560 --> 01:13:58.239 like early two thousand Royals thing where everyone would just 1449 01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:01.439 count the days until Joe Posnanski wrote his the column 1450 01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:02.840 and how early in the year it would come in 1451 01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:03.720 the Kansas City start. 1452 01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:06.239 I don't have a ton of faith in either the 1453 01:14:06.319 --> 01:14:09.359 Pirates or the White Sox front offices, but I do 1454 01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:14.399 like the White Sox, like specific hitting breakouts. To me, 1455 01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:16.520 this year feel more sustainable. 1456 01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:18.680 Like I'm not saying I guess that's such good things 1457 01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:19.479 about Ryan Fuller. 1458 01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:22.399 It's like I'm not saying Miguel Vargas will keep exactly 1459 01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:24.399 this up next year, right, but I have more confidence 1460 01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:27.840 in him doing that than like Nick Gonzalez. Yeah, but 1461 01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:31.159 at the same thirty two year old Brian Reynolds, right, like. 1462 01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:33.479 The White Socks have the Miguel Vargas is to point to, 1463 01:14:33.640 --> 01:14:36.880 which help offset the fact that like, Okay, yeah, Tristan 1464 01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:39.960 Peter's first half was probably an aberration, you know, like and. 1465 01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:43.439 Like like, I don't think Major Oath is quite this good, 1466 01:14:43.479 --> 01:14:45.119 but I think I'll have seasons like this like this 1467 01:14:46.359 --> 01:14:50.439 probably and is probably about this good, right, Coulson Montgomery, Look, 1468 01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:52.039 there's gonna be some risks that you're going to get 1469 01:14:52.079 --> 01:14:54.600 at Coulson Montgomery hits one eighty season in here. 1470 01:14:55.399 --> 01:14:56.920 It's a lot more youth driven. 1471 01:14:57.039 --> 01:14:59.960 It's a lot more driven by it, like Spencer Horror. 1472 01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:02.279 It's just like the young and also but like. 1473 01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:08.560 But like Antonacci in particular, that is like a that 1474 01:15:08.760 --> 01:15:10.680 is not the type of player the White Sox of 1475 01:15:10.720 --> 01:15:11.920 teams past. 1476 01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:15.359 No, we've made like he is an on base percentage 1477 01:15:15.359 --> 01:15:17.359 over three twenty, so like yeah, but like a. 1478 01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:21.159 But like a grindy fifth rounder who finds his way 1479 01:15:21.199 --> 01:15:23.159 in the majors and has immediate success. Like well, the 1480 01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:25.439 joke we make, we're like, we're like that dude should 1481 01:15:25.479 --> 01:15:27.239 be playing for the Cardinals, like that's the kind of guy. 1482 01:15:27.359 --> 01:15:30.880 Yeah, like Chris, Chris thinks he was this kind of guy, 1483 01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:33.279 but wasn't that good? That good? Like, so he tries 1484 01:15:33.359 --> 01:15:35.119 to get these guys, but you end up getting like 1485 01:15:35.279 --> 01:15:38.439 the Nikki lopezz instead of the Sam Antonacci's when you 1486 01:15:38.520 --> 01:15:39.199 do that, right. 1487 01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:43.920 Yes, yeah, yeah, so I don't know. I mean, I yeah, 1488 01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:46.640 I'm gonna leave the Pirates on this. I apologize for 1489 01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:49.520 reading so many of Pat's uh posts, but I do 1490 01:15:49.680 --> 01:15:53.680 I have to. This is Alex is angry, and I 1491 01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:56.319 think Pat is just depressed and accepting it. 1492 01:15:56.640 --> 01:15:58.840 So I will leave it with this the two Pirates fans, 1493 01:15:59.239 --> 01:15:59.760 he said. 1494 01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:02.079 I'm not disagreeing with you that I hate the stupid 1495 01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:05.359 Pirates team a lot. Every time Nick Gonzalez boots the ball, 1496 01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:06.680 I feel like I have to go to the eye 1497 01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:09.199 doctor to get my eye pressure checked. I just think 1498 01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:14.920 that's more or less an optimal outcome. On that note, 1499 01:16:15.319 --> 01:16:18.319 we can leave the Pirates just as their wild card 1500 01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:20.920 picture is leaving them and go over to the AO. 1501 01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:26.159 My question to you guys is are the Tigers just 1502 01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:29.760 a favorite for the Wildcard three at this time? I mean, 1503 01:16:30.119 --> 01:16:33.000 I I there one game back of Texas. 1504 01:16:33.159 --> 01:16:34.840 They have no teams in Texas. 1505 01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:38.439 Yeah, they have no teams between That's that's an important caveat. 1506 01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:40.119 I mean, they're only like a half game ahead of 1507 01:16:40.159 --> 01:16:42.159 the Twins and the Rangers, but they have no are 1508 01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:43.520 sorry the Twins in the and. 1509 01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:45.800 A game and only a game ahead of my my 1510 01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:48.279 Baltimore Orioles. Yes, we talked. 1511 01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:50.279 We talked when we were talking about the Red Sox, 1512 01:16:50.359 --> 01:16:54.039 we talked about you, you know, the schedule, and you 1513 01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:56.319 don't have a lot of tough opponents, and you can 1514 01:16:56.359 --> 01:16:58.399 only play the team in front of you, the Tigers. 1515 01:16:58.920 --> 01:16:59.039 Uh. 1516 01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:03.600 And then the Tigers run differential, the Tiger's run differential, 1517 01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:05.319 and every team has a stretch like this. The White 1518 01:17:05.359 --> 01:17:07.239 Sox got the run differential when they beat the Royals 1519 01:17:07.239 --> 01:17:11.079 twenty two to one a few months ago. The Tigers 1520 01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:14.960 have played their last three series against the Athletics, Mariners, 1521 01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:17.479 and Giants. They have won games by scores of eleven 1522 01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:21.399 to nothing, eleven to nothing, thirteen to one, fourteen to nothing, which, hey, 1523 01:17:21.479 --> 01:17:23.079 you got to put up those runs, right, and you 1524 01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:24.199 can only face who's. 1525 01:17:23.960 --> 01:17:25.960 Them from the Athletics kill the Red Sox. 1526 01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:30.119 So Yeah, but also going back further with Detroit. As 1527 01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:34.279 I was doing, they went, let me find I just 1528 01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:36.479 headed up. They went six and twenty two in the 1529 01:17:36.560 --> 01:17:39.399 month of May. Right, there were sixteen games under five 1530 01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:41.520 hundred in the month of May. They since then, they're 1531 01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:43.720 playing at a six twenty winning percentage since the start 1532 01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:44.079 of Gin. 1533 01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:46.680 And it's not just since then, it's before. I think 1534 01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:49.399 I saw this from Joe Sheian, so I apologize if 1535 01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:52.239 it's not Himry. Outside of June, they've been the best 1536 01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:56.720 team in baseball, well outside of May. May. I'm sorry, 1537 01:17:56.800 --> 01:17:58.199 I apologize that could be. 1538 01:17:58.439 --> 01:18:02.000 I mean, if that they played sixteen games and there 1539 01:18:02.039 --> 01:18:04.000 are two games under five hundred on the season, then 1540 01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:08.479 that's very very possible. They still have a good team 1541 01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:11.319 even without Scooble and without Myz. Some of their hitters 1542 01:18:11.359 --> 01:18:14.399 are starting to hit. We talked before recording about Tyler Holton, 1543 01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:17.359 who's not an ACE but is very good or not. 1544 01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:22.199 Troy Melton Melton, we talked about Troy meltont it. 1545 01:18:22.720 --> 01:18:23.319 Yes, we got to. 1546 01:18:23.359 --> 01:18:25.680 We talked about Troy Melton and how he's very good 1547 01:18:26.119 --> 01:18:28.520 even if he might be an ACE yet, much to 1548 01:18:28.600 --> 01:18:29.760 the consternation of some people. 1549 01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:33.640 I know, Yeah, I mean, look, they don't have to 1550 01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:36.239 be even after the school. In my astral like, they 1551 01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:37.279 don't have to be great, they just have to be 1552 01:18:37.319 --> 01:18:39.159 better than these other five hundred. They don't have to 1553 01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:41.039 go on a Red Sox like run to get back 1554 01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:43.439 in it. Right, if they play five to ten games 1555 01:18:43.479 --> 01:18:46.000 over five hundred the rest of the way, which is 1556 01:18:46.039 --> 01:18:48.760 like probably like about a six hundred winning percentage when 1557 01:18:48.760 --> 01:18:51.359 the division when when the division, but they're certaly gonna 1558 01:18:51.359 --> 01:18:52.279 be the playoffs. 1559 01:18:52.239 --> 01:18:54.920 Yeah, I mean the White Sox have played five in 1560 01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:57.199 the same span since I think the beginning of June. 1561 01:18:57.199 --> 01:18:58.920 The White Sox have been about a five hundred team 1562 01:18:59.479 --> 01:19:01.840 and they and their division lead has grown during that 1563 01:19:01.960 --> 01:19:05.399 time over team like Cleveland and Minnesota. But Detroit has 1564 01:19:05.439 --> 01:19:08.000 come back to it because Detroit once upon a time 1565 01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:10.680 was uh much further back. 1566 01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:12.039 At the. 1567 01:19:13.640 --> 01:19:15.880 Start of July, they were. 1568 01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:18.239 Nine games out in this division. I don't know what 1569 01:19:18.319 --> 01:19:21.800 they were at the wild card, but they just keep 1570 01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:24.439 hanging around. They have an opportunity to go on a run. 1571 01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:27.319 This week is huge for them. They play their home 1572 01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:29.520 their home against Cleveland and then the White Sox. 1573 01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:31.840 Right, they could be in I guess they could. They 1574 01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:33.439 could technically be in first place by the end, now 1575 01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:34.319 could they They could. 1576 01:19:34.439 --> 01:19:37.600 Could probably Yeah, they're three and a half back, so all. 1577 01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:39.119 Right, so they could technically be in first place by 1578 01:19:39.159 --> 01:19:39.680 the end of the week. 1579 01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:43.319 Yeah, yeah, not even technically, I mean they yeah, they could. 1580 01:19:43.239 --> 01:19:45.560 Be in first place by the end of the week. Yes, yeah, 1581 01:19:45.640 --> 01:19:50.159 I don't like again they you look at this team. Yes, 1582 01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:51.920 not Havingny schoopl in MI is the big deal. But 1583 01:19:52.039 --> 01:19:56.800 like the offensive core is like the McGonagall green Dingler 1584 01:19:57.520 --> 01:20:00.720 cores like and now now they have now Clark, now 1585 01:20:00.760 --> 01:20:03.239 Max Clark from hitting seventh, but. 1586 01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:08.279 They're partially being powered by a as Merlin is. It 1587 01:20:08.399 --> 01:20:10.119 was it as Merlin Valdez for the Pirates, who was 1588 01:20:10.159 --> 01:20:13.079 going yeah, yeah, from Eduardo Valencia. 1589 01:20:13.239 --> 01:20:15.359 Yes, it's part of Valencia in. 1590 01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:20.079 Fifteen games is hitting three ninety four nineteen eight oh five. 1591 01:20:20.079 --> 01:20:22.119 To point out eleven to one strikeout to Walker. 1592 01:20:22.479 --> 01:20:25.960 Yeah, no, I'm not again, I'm compared to Merlin Valdez 1593 01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:26.640 for a reason. 1594 01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:32.479 I mean, Mountain has been good, like kider Monte, like 1595 01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:35.760 kider Mantero hasn't been quite this good, but like he's 1596 01:20:35.800 --> 01:20:39.199 also been close enough to this good. Unlike the underlying 1597 01:20:39.399 --> 01:20:44.239 that it might work. They started Drew Anderson a couple 1598 01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:45.880 of times like they are. I think they are actually 1599 01:20:45.880 --> 01:20:48.399 a joke. Jackson joke came back pitched five good things, 1600 01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:51.720 So they are. I think they are going to struggle 1601 01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:55.399 a little bit to fill out the once every five 1602 01:20:55.520 --> 01:20:57.760 every five days of the rotation. But look, they are 1603 01:20:57.800 --> 01:21:00.920 comfortable doing like Henches comfortable doing pitching case us. Yeah. 1604 01:21:01.000 --> 01:21:04.800 Well, well and they hope River Ryan gets healthy. 1605 01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:09.159 Yeah, but you can like two years ago, two years ago, 1606 01:21:09.399 --> 01:21:11.600 Hinch pulled all the right strings with pitching chaos right 1607 01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:14.079 when they went on that hot second half run. Last year, 1608 01:21:14.119 --> 01:21:16.560 he pulled all the wrong strings with pitching chaos this year. 1609 01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:18.439 I don't think anyone has faith that he can pull 1610 01:21:18.479 --> 01:21:20.760 the right strings because their bullpen is. 1611 01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:23.439 Gonna be a lot of time Madden and Drew Anderson. 1612 01:21:23.319 --> 01:21:26.199 Yes, a lot of the guy really try melting up 1613 01:21:26.199 --> 01:21:27.119 with Tyler Houlton. 1614 01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:30.359 They are really really missing, and I mean this sincerely, 1615 01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:32.760 they are really missing a healthy brand Hurder because he 1616 01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:35.479 is like the key to their pitching chaos because he 1617 01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:36.880 can just come in and pitch three innings with a 1618 01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:37.399 lefty right. 1619 01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:39.119 I mean that's what they're going to try to do. 1620 01:21:39.439 --> 01:21:42.279 I think probably down the stretch with Kider Montero if 1621 01:21:42.319 --> 01:21:45.520 they but they might need too much just. 1622 01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:49.000 Throw six innings right like they don't. Yeah, because there's another. 1623 01:21:48.920 --> 01:21:51.039 Anderson, the guy they kind of have used as their 1624 01:21:51.079 --> 01:21:53.560 swing man. I think Time Madden might end up being 1625 01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:58.119 their swing man. And yeah, I mean I don't think 1626 01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:00.840 it is is flair do you do back? Or is 1627 01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:02.760 he like done for the season. I'm not really sure. 1628 01:22:03.119 --> 01:22:08.439 It's never blander Jack clarerty yeah, l yeah, I literally 1629 01:22:08.479 --> 01:22:08.960 forgot that. 1630 01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:11.920 He was there. 1631 01:22:12.079 --> 01:22:13.119 I did forget he was here. 1632 01:22:13.479 --> 01:22:16.520 Clark also raises their floor a lot defensive, like whatever 1633 01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:18.840 they were getting offensively out of like the Matt Verlings 1634 01:22:18.840 --> 01:22:21.640 and winsiel Press of the world. I'm sure Clark it 1635 01:22:21.760 --> 01:22:25.399 was not a ton either. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that 1636 01:22:25.560 --> 01:22:29.399 Clark also provides a huge defensive upgrade if he's living 1637 01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:34.600 up to the billing there. I was wondering, Jeffrey, maybe 1638 01:22:34.600 --> 01:22:37.439 you can speak more on this. They did promote uh 1639 01:22:37.920 --> 01:22:40.680 Brisanno to triple A. I don't know if that's a 1640 01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:42.359 guy who's close enough that he would provide. 1641 01:22:43.039 --> 01:22:46.800 Yeah, he's missed a lot of time this year, but yeah, 1642 01:22:46.840 --> 01:22:49.600 it was like a catcher first base dhis he's not 1643 01:22:49.640 --> 01:22:50.800 going to catch a ton over dangling. 1644 01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:52.800 Yeah, he would, just especially down the stretch, he would 1645 01:22:52.800 --> 01:22:54.640 probably if they called him up, you know, just for 1646 01:22:54.920 --> 01:22:56.720 to get a hot month out of him or whatever. 1647 01:22:57.000 --> 01:22:58.439 Yeah, I mean he's been hitting the cover off the 1648 01:22:58.479 --> 01:23:00.600 ball since he's been back, but he has He's had 1649 01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:02.239 a lot of injuries over the years too, I guess. 1650 01:23:02.279 --> 01:23:06.960 So they'll play it how it how it lies. Craig, 1651 01:23:07.079 --> 01:23:10.279 is it time? Can we see Sawyer Gibson long again? 1652 01:23:12.199 --> 01:23:13.079 Is it is it time? 1653 01:23:13.199 --> 01:23:15.720 Is he he's got like a five r this year? 1654 01:23:15.800 --> 01:23:21.640 But then yeah, I think we can see. Yeah, they 1655 01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:25.479 don't have they don't have a lot of options. I mean, 1656 01:23:25.520 --> 01:23:28.000 they they could really use a healthy river they could. 1657 01:23:28.199 --> 01:23:31.520 So the question, I guess, I think the looming question here, 1658 01:23:31.720 --> 01:23:33.319 and we don't have to go super deep on it, 1659 01:23:33.439 --> 01:23:38.479 but like, should they have just kept Schoomel? Yes, I 1660 01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:41.520 said that so, Like, I mean that was my argument 1661 01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:43.560 at the time. They've always been the better. 1662 01:23:43.439 --> 01:23:46.039 Team, right, and they're still kind of the better team, 1663 01:23:46.119 --> 01:23:48.479 but less of the better team. 1664 01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:51.239 And if they go on to make the playoffs win 1665 01:23:51.279 --> 01:23:54.840 the division, does that vindicate Scott Harris or does it? 1666 01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:57.720 Don't think it does because then you're looking at it 1667 01:23:57.840 --> 01:24:01.159 will but it shouldn't. This would happened, This would have 1668 01:24:01.199 --> 01:24:05.960 happened anyway. We would have had Terrek Scoogle starting multiple 1669 01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:07.359 games for us in playoff series. 1670 01:24:08.279 --> 01:24:10.680 The thing, and we don't need to re litigate this 1671 01:24:10.760 --> 01:24:12.800 too much because you guys talked for seven and a 1672 01:24:12.840 --> 01:24:17.079 half hours about the trade deadline last week. The thing 1673 01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:19.680 that I thought from day one when the Tigers went 1674 01:24:19.760 --> 01:24:24.159 in the tank to start the season is that I'm 1675 01:24:24.319 --> 01:24:27.640 blaming his name, Ilich the owner. I think he was 1676 01:24:27.720 --> 01:24:29.720 going to come up with every excuse possible to trade 1677 01:24:29.800 --> 01:24:32.119 Trek Scouble. I think outside of actively being in a 1678 01:24:32.119 --> 01:24:34.199 playoff position, they were going to trade him ever since 1679 01:24:34.640 --> 01:24:37.680 the arbitration mess of last winter, like that relationship at 1680 01:24:37.680 --> 01:24:40.800 Gonzosur that he's like he wanted an excuse to trade 1681 01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:43.279 him and he found one even shouldn't have done. 1682 01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:45.960 That was how I felt too. I did reading some 1683 01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:51.520 of the the breakdowns of their deadline it. Did you 1684 01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:55.439 know they did bring up McGonagall, Yeah, immediately, so like Medialy, 1685 01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:58.479 I don't know that they That to me was like 1686 01:24:58.760 --> 01:25:00.880 a sign that maybe they didn't want to trade him. 1687 01:25:00.960 --> 01:25:02.479 Right, well, they're going to get it. They're going to 1688 01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:03.800 end be getting a Pepi pick for that. 1689 01:25:03.920 --> 01:25:06.359 They will, right, there are multiples there. 1690 01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:09.279 Will I mean, I will say this like the thing 1691 01:25:09.359 --> 01:25:14.319 that bothered me, like obviously there were extension conversations that 1692 01:25:14.439 --> 01:25:18.159 didn't go well even even before the arbitration stup. And yes, 1693 01:25:18.239 --> 01:25:23.000 you just got borist client. Like there's also this sort 1694 01:25:23.039 --> 01:25:26.319 of since the kids took over, like the Tigers have 1695 01:25:26.439 --> 01:25:28.880 to act like this. They don't. They never had to before. 1696 01:25:29.239 --> 01:25:31.479 They were one of the big market, big spending teams, 1697 01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:33.039 and they made the playoffs a lot, and they made 1698 01:25:33.079 --> 01:25:33.760 some world serious. 1699 01:25:34.239 --> 01:25:38.439 Yes they can trade it sticks with you from when 1700 01:25:39.439 --> 01:25:44.680 the dollars right, like, yes, they so much of that 1701 01:25:44.840 --> 01:25:49.199 was driven by bye Mike Ilich wanting to win a 1702 01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:52.000 World Series before he died. Yeah, but they also say 1703 01:25:52.039 --> 01:25:54.520 it's just inheriting the team, you know, Mike, and I 1704 01:25:54.560 --> 01:25:57.640 guess the difference is like Chris Ilich also inherited a 1705 01:25:57.680 --> 01:25:59.880 bunch of other businesses, so he's not like this is 1706 01:26:00.359 --> 01:26:05.359 the Steinbrenners. But there's a lot of the Steinbrenner behavior happening, 1707 01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:09.319 as like someone who didn't build, who didn't build and 1708 01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:12.720 and or buy and then build the team out right, 1709 01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:15.119 which which your heart isn't in it the way your 1710 01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:17.680 dad was. Your dad's heart was in it. Yeah, And 1711 01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:21.079 and so they see it as something to preserve, whereas 1712 01:26:21.520 --> 01:26:23.640 I think, you know, George. 1713 01:26:23.479 --> 01:26:28.199 And Mike, to generate this amount of revenue and this 1714 01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:31.199 amount of profit every year, right, they're. 1715 01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:34.800 Trying to conserve and preserve right like they're there. That's 1716 01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:37.319 where they and a lot of these kids make money, 1717 01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:39.920 the kids who inherit make their money on the team, 1718 01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:44.560 and so they they view it differently than like their parents, 1719 01:26:44.600 --> 01:26:49.159 who you know four because he made his money somewhere else. 1720 01:26:49.439 --> 01:26:52.800 A four hundred million dollars Google contract could go real bad. 1721 01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:55.079 Oh yeah, But like. 1722 01:26:56.560 --> 01:26:59.359 I mean, the extension was the trade was one thing. 1723 01:26:59.439 --> 01:27:02.359 The extension was also. 1724 01:27:01.479 --> 01:27:04.880 I think, I think, and this is no, I don't 1725 01:27:04.920 --> 01:27:07.920 know how much this actually matters, Like I deal with 1726 01:27:08.039 --> 01:27:11.199 that with this with my team, with the Ryans, with 1727 01:27:11.279 --> 01:27:13.119 the Rhyan Starfs owning the Bulls in addition to the 1728 01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:15.720 White Sox, but like Felich is also owned the Red Wings. 1729 01:27:15.760 --> 01:27:17.319 Detroit is much more of a hockey town than it 1730 01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:19.920 is a baseball town. Like that might be where your 1731 01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:21.840 area of focused like that, this just might be what 1732 01:27:21.920 --> 01:27:24.800 you care more about is the hockey team. You know, 1733 01:27:27.399 --> 01:27:29.760 I don't know what little Caesar Stock is doing right now, but. 1734 01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:31.880 Norr. 1735 01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:34.920 Yeah, but I mean just going back to this season, 1736 01:27:35.319 --> 01:27:37.359 like I've thought Detroit was the most talented team in 1737 01:27:37.399 --> 01:27:40.119 this division all year. I thought, even from the moment 1738 01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:42.359 they traded Schoobles, like this team still might be good 1739 01:27:42.439 --> 01:27:43.439 enough to win this division. 1740 01:27:43.479 --> 01:27:45.960 I mean again, Patrick has said this before, and I 1741 01:27:46.039 --> 01:27:47.800 think he's right. I think they traded him as early 1742 01:27:47.840 --> 01:27:49.359 as they did because they were two and a half 1743 01:27:49.439 --> 01:27:52.680 out and I think they could have been half a 1744 01:27:52.720 --> 01:27:55.119 game out and they're going to be close to I 1745 01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:58.000 mean like it's all play as. 1746 01:27:58.039 --> 01:27:59.239 We got to do something fast. 1747 01:27:59.560 --> 01:28:02.520 Yeah, I think maybe truth serumed Scott Harris he would 1748 01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:04.520 not have traded Trek School if it was up to him. 1749 01:28:05.359 --> 01:28:08.399 I think it was. So you think that's from from ownership, 1750 01:28:08.600 --> 01:28:09.600 I do. I think it was. 1751 01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:11.680 It was they, you know, it was what was the 1752 01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:14.840 arbitration difference, like eighteen million versus thirty two million or 1753 01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:15.399 something like that. 1754 01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:17.159 I think he wanted. 1755 01:28:17.640 --> 01:28:20.000 I think they were first of all pissed at schoobl 1756 01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:23.239 that relationship had gone to shit, and Ilich was counting 1757 01:28:23.319 --> 01:28:27.399 on uh saving whatever money whatever do. 1758 01:28:27.680 --> 01:28:31.600 That's the thing to go back to that they hurt themselves, 1759 01:28:32.439 --> 01:28:34.560 not that nine and a half million dollars or whatever 1760 01:28:34.640 --> 01:28:37.119 remain on his deal was a real hurdle for anyone 1761 01:28:37.199 --> 01:28:40.000 we saw. Milwaukee would have taken it on whatever. But 1762 01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:44.319 by being a file and trial team and filing at 1763 01:28:44.479 --> 01:28:46.279 such an absurdly low number. 1764 01:28:46.359 --> 01:28:48.319 Yeah, I mean, I think you have to remember that. 1765 01:28:48.439 --> 01:28:50.760 Trying to make a statement here too, right, being a. 1766 01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:55.920 Pending free agent, he got to compare himself to Zach Wheeler, right, Yeah, 1767 01:28:55.960 --> 01:28:59.840 and Zach Wheeler has no sign youngs and Trek Scooble. 1768 01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:06.359 Has two yeah, story making to the hearing, yeah yeah. 1769 01:29:05.359 --> 01:29:08.600 And Wheelers making forty two million a year yeah on 1770 01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:12.840 his extension. Yeah, like you you're never going to win 1771 01:29:12.920 --> 01:29:14.119 that watch. 1772 01:29:13.960 --> 01:29:17.039 One and he's making high thirties too, I think so 1773 01:29:17.560 --> 01:29:19.840 who sorry, Verry Cole only has one and he's making 1774 01:29:19.920 --> 01:29:20.439 high thirties. 1775 01:29:21.159 --> 01:29:25.520 Right, So you like getting to compare yourself to if 1776 01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:27.800 that's just such an own goal and it has come 1777 01:29:27.840 --> 01:29:30.159 back to be essentially a second one in my Again, 1778 01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:33.600 they did great, to be clear, but like if they 1779 01:29:33.640 --> 01:29:36.199 had settled instead by being a file and trial team 1780 01:29:36.239 --> 01:29:39.159 and lowballing him. If they had settled in the twenties. 1781 01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:41.880 See, I don't think Boris and School would have settled. 1782 01:29:42.319 --> 01:29:42.640 Maybe not. 1783 01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:43.960 I think they wanted to set the. 1784 01:29:44.720 --> 01:29:46.920 Maybe not, but okay, But then if they had filed 1785 01:29:47.399 --> 01:29:50.439 the relationships twenty five, I might have won. 1786 01:29:50.680 --> 01:29:52.119 I think the league didn't want him to file at 1787 01:29:52.159 --> 01:29:54.600 twenty five because that would have been too high number. Interesting, 1788 01:29:55.439 --> 01:29:58.239 everybody has like weird incentive structures here, right that. Yeah, 1789 01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:00.640 but I'm just saying it difficult find a number. 1790 01:30:00.720 --> 01:30:03.039 If there were four million left on the deals, you 1791 01:30:03.079 --> 01:30:07.319 could potentially squeeze out another prospect. I guess. 1792 01:30:07.399 --> 01:30:10.520 I don't that really it's five million is real money. 1793 01:30:12.479 --> 01:30:17.079 About it? But you could demand it, sure, I don't know. 1794 01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:19.479 I just think that was such a such a mistake 1795 01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:26.079 that has come back over and over. I don't know. 1796 01:30:26.680 --> 01:30:29.560 Do we want to go through the other al central 1797 01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:31.119 team or a bad look. 1798 01:30:31.159 --> 01:30:33.079 We're going to have to talk about the wild cards 1799 01:30:33.119 --> 01:30:35.119 a lot down the stretch. I'm not happy about it, 1800 01:30:35.600 --> 01:30:39.079 as I put in the last bullet here, Oh go ahead, 1801 01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:44.359 yeah yeah. Like so last night, the Sunday Night NBC 1802 01:30:44.520 --> 01:30:49.079 Slash Peacock game was the San Diego Padres against the 1803 01:30:49.079 --> 01:30:55.039 Houston Astros Christian Javier against Randy Vasquez. And this is 1804 01:30:55.119 --> 01:30:59.439 an important baseball game. Are we all lesser for this? 1805 01:31:00.560 --> 01:31:00.760 Yes? 1806 01:31:01.279 --> 01:31:03.119 Yeah, like it's the. 1807 01:31:03.159 --> 01:31:07.119 Seventh baseball you may be entitled the financial compensation. 1808 01:31:08.079 --> 01:31:10.520 The seventh playoff team is becoming a bit of a problem. 1809 01:31:13.159 --> 01:31:14.239 Wait till they expand it. 1810 01:31:14.560 --> 01:31:15.600 Yeah, we'll see that's say. 1811 01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:18.479 Wait, yeah, they want more. They got to get up 1812 01:31:18.520 --> 01:31:19.600 to the NBA NHL. 1813 01:31:19.960 --> 01:31:21.840 I guess it's good for content for the show since 1814 01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:23.479 we just sad like forty five minutes on it. 1815 01:31:23.600 --> 01:31:25.760 But I don't know what. 1816 01:31:25.920 --> 01:31:27.680 We're all miserable when not happy about it. 1817 01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:32.199 It's just like, don't, like, you know, don't do this 1818 01:31:32.319 --> 01:31:36.359 to pirates fans. Don't that they're not going to make Yeah, it. 1819 01:31:36.399 --> 01:31:36.760 Does make it. 1820 01:31:36.840 --> 01:31:37.239 Don't do that. 1821 01:31:38.279 --> 01:31:39.760 That's me, like, you see how that's. 1822 01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:45.159 Worse the the the White Sox retired oz Gien's number 1823 01:31:45.159 --> 01:31:47.640 over the weekend. It was a very big deal, obviously, 1824 01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:50.840 and uh James Svegan, in his article for Soxs Machine 1825 01:31:50.840 --> 01:31:54.159 pointed out that if the playoff format today was what 1826 01:31:54.279 --> 01:31:56.199 it was when oz Gien was manager, he would have 1827 01:31:56.239 --> 01:31:58.560 made the playoffs I think every season except one, maybe 1828 01:31:58.600 --> 01:32:01.720 two of his White Sox tenure, like you could just 1829 01:32:01.960 --> 01:32:02.279 you could. 1830 01:32:03.640 --> 01:32:04.119 It affects. 1831 01:32:04.159 --> 01:32:06.399 I mean, it changes how you view you know, like 1832 01:32:06.520 --> 01:32:08.680 legacies or like organizational success or whatever. 1833 01:32:10.399 --> 01:32:13.479 Interesting to think about. Yeah, we'll go to our fourth 1834 01:32:13.520 --> 01:32:18.760 segment around the horn, speaking of legacies and long time 1835 01:32:20.239 --> 01:32:26.239 front office folks with a team that is fired David Force, Yeah, 1836 01:32:26.479 --> 01:32:29.880 I mean twenty five years something like that. 1837 01:32:30.319 --> 01:32:32.800 Yeah, and Ken Rosenstall makes it wanted to make it 1838 01:32:32.880 --> 01:32:36.680 really clear with a firing. Someone else wanted to make 1839 01:32:36.720 --> 01:32:38.319 it very clear that it was a firing and not 1840 01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:40.079 mutual party in the ways. 1841 01:32:40.199 --> 01:32:42.399 Well, I guess see a report that said it was 1842 01:32:42.840 --> 01:32:45.760 maybe a mutual partner of ways, and then I saw Ken's. 1843 01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:47.279 Right, Well, there's there was a report that Force didn't 1844 01:32:47.279 --> 01:32:50.880 want to move to Vegas basically, uh huh, which maybe yeah, 1845 01:32:50.960 --> 01:32:52.840 fair enough. I guess I wouldn't particularly want to live 1846 01:32:52.840 --> 01:32:55.279 in Vegas year round either, or at least like basically 1847 01:32:55.439 --> 01:33:01.079 all summer. Frankly, Uh yeah, I don't know what these 1848 01:33:01.119 --> 01:33:01.840 are going to do next. 1849 01:33:01.920 --> 01:33:02.239 It'll be. 1850 01:33:03.800 --> 01:33:05.960 I guess they've been disappointing this year. Obviously, they were 1851 01:33:06.119 --> 01:33:09.359 kind of around the a wildcard race, that is to say, 1852 01:33:09.439 --> 01:33:13.279 around five hundred for a while. But also none of 1853 01:33:13.359 --> 01:33:17.960 this I think, particularly having that pitching have to pitch 1854 01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:21.279 an entire summer in that stadium is eventually going to 1855 01:33:21.359 --> 01:33:24.159 wear you down. And they've had some injuries in the 1856 01:33:24.199 --> 01:33:26.399 lineup as well, most notably Nick Kurtz, So it's not 1857 01:33:26.560 --> 01:33:28.560 really a surprise they faded. I also don't know what. 1858 01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:33.640 They team described the move as mutual. 1859 01:33:33.960 --> 01:33:36.359 Okay, I don't know if somebody. 1860 01:33:36.199 --> 01:33:40.600 League sources who I'm going to guess who I'm going 1861 01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:44.119 to guess are either David Forst or friends of David Forst. Yeah, 1862 01:33:45.159 --> 01:33:47.199 are saying it was a fiery. 1863 01:33:47.039 --> 01:33:52.640 Yeah, I don't like God, I's the guess with what 1864 01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:56.800 they're sort of like, they're theoretically like a season plus 1865 01:33:56.880 --> 01:33:59.439 away from moving in their new stadium in Vegas. Are 1866 01:33:59.479 --> 01:34:04.319 they going to start changing how they operate? Are they 1867 01:34:04.319 --> 01:34:07.159 going to try to ramp up? I mean, are they 1868 01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:08.680 going to get a different GM that's going to I 1869 01:34:08.720 --> 01:34:09.840 don't know, Craigs. 1870 01:34:10.720 --> 01:34:13.119 They're doing that to they Again, they made this move 1871 01:34:13.239 --> 01:34:16.720 explicitly to lock in a small market and to get 1872 01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:19.520 revenue share out of out of it. Because they get 1873 01:34:19.560 --> 01:34:22.720 to lock it in. Yeah, they'll do I think they're 1874 01:34:22.760 --> 01:34:24.199 suddenly going to behave differently. 1875 01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:26.439 And look, it's entirely possible they're selling. They're playing on 1876 01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:28.520 selling this team once they get settled in there after 1877 01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:30.439 the first year for profit. 1878 01:34:31.239 --> 01:34:33.800 Maybe the first year they spend a lot, they may 1879 01:34:33.880 --> 01:34:34.840 do like a fast stile. 1880 01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:38.760 Yeah, Jeffrey Lauria that one year with the new stadium 1881 01:34:38.760 --> 01:34:39.720 in Miami exactly. 1882 01:34:40.159 --> 01:34:42.880 I found I found the timing of this move interesting. 1883 01:34:44.159 --> 01:34:47.159 Four days after the trade deadline, and they were they 1884 01:34:47.239 --> 01:34:49.800 were the I think like the least active team. They 1885 01:34:49.880 --> 01:34:53.079 think they traded Colby Thomas and that was there and they. 1886 01:34:53.039 --> 01:34:56.159 Had a lot ye, not that they what at the 1887 01:34:56.239 --> 01:34:56.800 last second. 1888 01:34:56.920 --> 01:34:59.359 That was not that they had a lot to sell. 1889 01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:03.760 I just that interesting that they like you see this 1890 01:35:03.920 --> 01:35:06.920 sometimes with whether it's around the draft, which we saw 1891 01:35:07.000 --> 01:35:09.039 like last year with the Nationals right right before the 1892 01:35:09.159 --> 01:35:14.199 draft when they fired Rizzo mm HM and uh our 1893 01:35:14.279 --> 01:35:18.439 teams firing their manager general manager right before or after 1894 01:35:18.520 --> 01:35:22.039 the trade deadline. It's like, why why let force run 1895 01:35:22.119 --> 01:35:22.880 the trade deadline? 1896 01:35:22.920 --> 01:35:24.720 There's no good time to do it in season? 1897 01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:29.399 Really? Yeah, Well, because also if you if you fire 1898 01:35:29.520 --> 01:35:33.479 him unless you have a hire right and if you're 1899 01:35:34.119 --> 01:35:35.920 you're just letting his lieutenant do it. 1900 01:35:36.199 --> 01:35:38.199 If you're firing him on May fifteenth, why did you 1901 01:35:38.279 --> 01:35:40.560 let him start the season if you're firing him a 1902 01:35:40.600 --> 01:35:42.279 month later while it's too close to the draft and 1903 01:35:42.319 --> 01:35:42.720 the dead. 1904 01:35:42.720 --> 01:35:47.159 Because on May fifteenth, maybe you get Chad Tracy into 1905 01:35:47.239 --> 01:35:50.479 the job. Yeah. I don't know. No, it's there's no 1906 01:35:50.600 --> 01:35:55.560 good time. Yeah, certainly, but yeah, uh. We have some 1907 01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:59.800 White White Sox news. They called up Hagen Smith and 1908 01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:00.720 m or McDougall. 1909 01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:02.439 You know their first name's not correct. 1910 01:36:02.600 --> 01:36:06.479 I do, well, so Jeff's I had to ask Jeff. 1911 01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:09.119 I got a call up from from the which we 1912 01:36:09.239 --> 01:36:11.920 ran on the site, which only referred to them by 1913 01:36:12.119 --> 01:36:15.840 their last names, and I was like, which Smith is 1914 01:36:16.239 --> 01:36:18.279 a McDougall. I would have figured, but I was like, 1915 01:36:18.359 --> 01:36:20.680 what's what Smith? Is this? What am I doing? And 1916 01:36:20.760 --> 01:36:23.239 it's just out of laziness, I asked Jeff instead of 1917 01:36:23.479 --> 01:36:26.560 going to look up do. 1918 01:36:28.039 --> 01:36:30.640 A call up for the White Sox bringing back opening 1919 01:36:30.720 --> 01:36:31.800 day starter Shane Smith. 1920 01:36:33.760 --> 01:36:35.319 Well, no, I didn't think it was Shane, but I 1921 01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:36.760 was just you know, I was like, I don't, I 1922 01:36:36.840 --> 01:36:38.439 don't know I had missed. 1923 01:36:38.239 --> 01:36:43.159 Anyway anyway, Hagan Smith, I mean he Hagan Smith got right. 1924 01:36:43.239 --> 01:36:46.760 We didn't talk about the White Fox did end up 1925 01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:48.279 taking Like I guess this could have gone on a 1926 01:36:48.279 --> 01:36:49.920 wild card chat. The White Thox did end up taking 1927 01:36:49.960 --> 01:36:52.720 two of three, and the Guardians they haven't really bounced back, 1928 01:36:52.920 --> 01:36:56.960 but we did get uh the first time at a 1929 01:36:57.000 --> 01:37:01.199 long time. I remember, and unintended pitching change because. 1930 01:37:01.159 --> 01:37:04.960 Yeah, that wasn't on the rundown on Friday night. That 1931 01:37:05.079 --> 01:37:08.520 was almost and it kind of uh. Nick Schaeff and 1932 01:37:08.600 --> 01:37:09.520 I were talking about this. 1933 01:37:10.439 --> 01:37:14.520 They h it may have been, it may have saved, 1934 01:37:14.920 --> 01:37:16.560 it may have helped them that night. They didn't end 1935 01:37:16.640 --> 01:37:16.960 up winning. 1936 01:37:17.800 --> 01:37:20.640 Look great, Noah Schultz was probably a batter or two 1937 01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:22.600 from having to leave the game anyway. 1938 01:37:22.479 --> 01:37:26.279 Right, well, I think Sandlin was technically starting to get loose. 1939 01:37:26.079 --> 01:37:29.079 Alrighty, Yeah, but he had to hurry because it wasn't 1940 01:37:29.119 --> 01:37:32.039 like an injury thing where they were getting ultimate unlimited time. 1941 01:37:32.039 --> 01:37:34.920 I don't know if they I was kind of paying 1942 01:37:34.920 --> 01:37:36.880 attention to the broadcast I was watching, like did they 1943 01:37:37.079 --> 01:37:39.479 just like forget to bring out the trainer because that happened, 1944 01:37:39.520 --> 01:37:41.520 Like if you bring out the trainer, it's fine, you 1945 01:37:41.520 --> 01:37:42.560 can do it X round is it? 1946 01:37:42.680 --> 01:37:43.840 But I got in my car. 1947 01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:47.000 I was I was going somewhere at right when this happened, 1948 01:37:47.039 --> 01:37:50.000 and Len Casper and Darren Jackson were very confused. While 1949 01:37:50.079 --> 01:37:52.239 Venable walks out onto the field, I think it's is 1950 01:37:52.279 --> 01:37:53.479 it when you crossed the foul line? 1951 01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:54.800 When you crossed the foul line? Yeah? 1952 01:37:54.880 --> 01:37:57.239 Yeah, And right after that he like turned back the 1953 01:37:57.319 --> 01:38:00.439 dogor because someone yelled at him, like hey yeah, Stephen 1954 01:38:00.479 --> 01:38:03.039 Vote immediately thought and. 1955 01:38:03.039 --> 01:38:05.560 Then they originally that he had to pitch to the batter, 1956 01:38:06.119 --> 01:38:07.960 and they did, and then they changed they changed it. 1957 01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:09.079 They got on the phone in the yard. 1958 01:38:09.119 --> 01:38:10.720 I didn't understand it was the second. 1959 01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:14.199 It was the second the second mound then, But it 1960 01:38:14.279 --> 01:38:17.119 was weird that the manager went out too, like why 1961 01:38:17.159 --> 01:38:18.880 wouldn't you send the pitching coach out? And the pitching 1962 01:38:18.920 --> 01:38:20.399 coach would say, I've already gone out. I can't go 1963 01:38:20.479 --> 01:38:22.359 out again, right. It was very weird. 1964 01:38:22.760 --> 01:38:26.119 I did just in the in the Diamondback series the Dodgers, 1965 01:38:26.279 --> 01:38:30.439 Mark Pryor like sat leaning against the like the fence 1966 01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:33.079 because he wanted to go out, but he was like waiting. 1967 01:38:33.279 --> 01:38:35.159 He had to like get the attention of the to 1968 01:38:35.239 --> 01:38:37.359 be like can I go or is it a second? 1969 01:38:37.720 --> 01:38:40.000 Because I think they went out. Maybe I don't it 1970 01:38:40.079 --> 01:38:42.159 might have been a trainer situation or whatever, but like 1971 01:38:42.479 --> 01:38:44.479 he was and he frankly seemed to put out about it, 1972 01:38:44.720 --> 01:38:47.880 but he was like, can I go please? Or is it? 1973 01:38:48.039 --> 01:38:49.239 But they were worried it was going to be a 1974 01:38:49.279 --> 01:38:52.399 second Yeah, I remember there being the only other time 1975 01:38:52.399 --> 01:38:54.239 I can remember this happening. And I don't remember the 1976 01:38:54.279 --> 01:38:56.479 team or the manager, but it was like they did 1977 01:38:56.560 --> 01:38:59.079 a mound visit and then the manager walked off the 1978 01:38:59.159 --> 01:39:00.720 field and then turn around. 1979 01:39:00.560 --> 01:39:04.960 Jim Tree with the Dodgers. With the Dodgers, Jim Tracy 1980 01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:08.319 did crossed the foul line and then turned around to 1981 01:39:08.399 --> 01:39:10.600 say something and walks back towards and it was the 1982 01:39:10.720 --> 01:39:12.520 second They counted it as the second visit. 1983 01:39:14.760 --> 01:39:17.520 Anyway, Hagen Smith also came in that was more of 1984 01:39:17.560 --> 01:39:18.760 a planned bullpen game. 1985 01:39:18.800 --> 01:39:23.359 I assume what is functionally the difference between Smith. 1986 01:39:23.520 --> 01:39:26.199 I mean somebody posted in the discord that like, oh, 1987 01:39:26.239 --> 01:39:31.119 the Hagen Smith debut is going on exactly how I expected. 1988 01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:33.640 My follow up without looking at the game was how 1989 01:39:33.680 --> 01:39:35.680 many walks? And then I went to the game and 1990 01:39:35.720 --> 01:39:37.520 it was I think three strikeouts and four walks and 1991 01:39:37.560 --> 01:39:40.600 two innings. I'm like about right, It's about right. 1992 01:39:44.640 --> 01:39:45.239 Incredible. 1993 01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:47.359 I have spent a lot of time over the last 1994 01:39:48.319 --> 01:39:51.760 three years, I guess now talking to Nick Schaeffer about 1995 01:39:51.760 --> 01:39:54.159 the Hagen Smith pick, which has really been therapy sessions 1996 01:39:54.199 --> 01:39:58.000 for Nick Schaeffer about the Hagen Smith I shouldn't Colin 1997 01:39:58.079 --> 01:40:01.600 has had that experience as well. Look, he was considered 1998 01:40:01.640 --> 01:40:04.720 to be the second best pitching prospect in the college 1999 01:40:04.800 --> 01:40:07.880 arm in that draft, behind Chase Burns. Some people even 2000 01:40:07.920 --> 01:40:09.840 had it one A and one B. We were not 2001 01:40:10.840 --> 01:40:16.319 one of them. And like, the complete collapse of the 2002 01:40:16.359 --> 01:40:21.399 control is not per se foreseeable, but you know, this 2003 01:40:21.600 --> 01:40:24.119 was a college performer whose stuff wasn't quite as good 2004 01:40:24.199 --> 01:40:26.359 as the performance either. 2005 01:40:27.079 --> 01:40:28.279 I find it interesting. 2006 01:40:28.520 --> 01:40:30.640 I don't know if you guys have talked about this 2007 01:40:30.880 --> 01:40:33.199 or you've written about it or discussed it at all. Jeffrey, 2008 01:40:33.279 --> 01:40:39.800 how much prospect development has changed, where so many conclusions 2009 01:40:40.239 --> 01:40:42.680 can be or have been drawn just two years after 2010 01:40:42.720 --> 01:40:45.640 their draft year like to just two years later, and 2011 01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:49.279 like everyone from that top ten has debuted, except it 2012 01:40:49.399 --> 01:40:51.880 was like Charlie Comden or something like that, or everyone. 2013 01:40:51.640 --> 01:40:52.399 From the top eight. 2014 01:40:53.880 --> 01:40:57.680 And like, I'm not any more optimistic about Hagen Smith 2015 01:40:57.760 --> 01:40:58.159 than you. 2016 01:40:58.439 --> 01:41:00.800 I mean, you can the other cliff of this, especially 2017 01:41:00.840 --> 01:41:02.600 with her pictures. This can als, this can change and 2018 01:41:03.560 --> 01:41:06.159 one good offseason where he yeah, fixes and this always 2019 01:41:06.199 --> 01:41:08.640 get fixed. But I think the specific problem here is, 2020 01:41:08.720 --> 01:41:12.920 like his slider really doesn't work as anything other than 2021 01:41:12.960 --> 01:41:15.560 a chase pitch, and college hitters are going to chase 2022 01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:18.399 that slider, especially when you have ninety five to the 2023 01:41:18.960 --> 01:41:20.600 major league hitters are like, all right, throw your slider 2024 01:41:20.640 --> 01:41:23.319 for a strike, buddy, Like I can see Firmer spin, 2025 01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:26.039 Like like he's still going to get strike out. It's 2026 01:41:26.039 --> 01:41:31.680 a good slider, but like he doesn't really have this 2027 01:41:31.760 --> 01:41:33.239 stuff that's going to get swing and miss in the 2028 01:41:33.319 --> 01:41:35.000 zone the same way Chase Burns does that. That's what 2029 01:41:35.119 --> 01:41:37.239 kind of what we see. Because command is chase is 2030 01:41:37.319 --> 01:41:40.960 what I like to say. Yeah, like command is chased. 2031 01:41:41.000 --> 01:41:46.000 Like if you're the the best pitchers in baseball do 2032 01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:49.479 not have very high zone percentages. They very high strike percentages, 2033 01:41:49.720 --> 01:41:51.680 but they do not have very high zone percentages. Clayton 2034 01:41:51.760 --> 01:41:55.199 Kershaw is a classic example of this, Like, because command 2035 01:41:55.319 --> 01:41:57.439 is the ability to throw pitches that look like strikes 2036 01:41:57.840 --> 01:41:59.680 sometimes just to spit your fast but what you want. 2037 01:41:59.720 --> 01:42:01.600 But it's also to throw pitches that look like strikes. 2038 01:42:02.640 --> 01:42:04.600 Well you have to be able to spot. You spot 2039 01:42:04.680 --> 01:42:07.520 your fastball where you want so that you can then go. 2040 01:42:07.960 --> 01:42:10.840 They have to respect it, right, I mean, this is 2041 01:42:10.960 --> 01:42:13.119 this is the classic problem with we were just talking 2042 01:42:13.119 --> 01:42:15.640 about it with someone else, but but you know, bias 2043 01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:18.319 being what it is. I'll go back to Sasaki, right, 2044 01:42:18.479 --> 01:42:21.840 like he had the forkball. Yeah, and it was a 2045 01:42:21.880 --> 01:42:24.239 good pitch. It looks like a strike for a long time. 2046 01:42:24.600 --> 01:42:27.880 But if you fall behind every time, then no one 2047 01:42:27.960 --> 01:42:29.920 has to respect it. And then so they can just wait. 2048 01:42:30.039 --> 01:42:32.000 They'll they'll say like okay, I'll take it. And if 2049 01:42:32.039 --> 01:42:35.079 it ends up being a strike, like fine, because you 2050 01:42:35.159 --> 01:42:38.239 can't normally throw a strike anyway. Patrick Patrick was talking 2051 01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:41.119 about God it was at the trade deadline, but like 2052 01:42:41.239 --> 01:42:43.720 the guy threw no first pitch strikes right, and it 2053 01:42:44.039 --> 01:42:45.119 became like a real problem. 2054 01:42:45.399 --> 01:42:47.560 And like Smith, like he's had injuries to which can 2055 01:42:47.600 --> 01:42:50.880 also happen to your pitching prospects, and like I think 2056 01:42:50.920 --> 01:42:54.479 he's still a fine pitching prospect, but he's like mcdugo 2057 01:42:54.640 --> 01:42:56.399 might be better at this point. I know he's been 2058 01:42:56.439 --> 01:42:58.279 injured this year. They say that they're just bringing him 2059 01:42:58.359 --> 01:42:59.439 up as a reliever at this point. 2060 01:42:59.720 --> 01:43:03.279 Both guys are coming up as relievers, and that makes. 2061 01:43:03.119 --> 01:43:05.319 Sense that they're probably on innings counts as well. McDougall 2062 01:43:05.359 --> 01:43:08.439 has been injured this year. I like McDougall airing and 2063 01:43:08.479 --> 01:43:10.159 stuff out in one to two winnings. I think he's 2064 01:43:10.520 --> 01:43:12.279 he might be more likely to be a starter long 2065 01:43:12.399 --> 01:43:14.840 term than Smith at this point, but this all has 2066 01:43:14.880 --> 01:43:16.079 time to lay out, and. 2067 01:43:16.119 --> 01:43:17.880 The Hagen Smith we don't need to spend that much 2068 01:43:17.960 --> 01:43:20.479 more time on this. But a lot of the Higgen 2069 01:43:20.520 --> 01:43:22.680 Smith criticism is that three of the next four picks 2070 01:43:22.680 --> 01:43:24.520 were kagli On Weather, Holt and Connor Griffin. 2071 01:43:24.760 --> 01:43:29.359 Yes, which he hastortifically been has stuck in Nick Schaeffer's 2072 01:43:29.359 --> 01:43:31.279 crawl over the last couple of years. 2073 01:43:34.920 --> 01:43:38.399 Elsewhere, Hunter Green needs elbow surgery. 2074 01:43:38.560 --> 01:43:40.279 Yeah they're not saying what yet, but it's some kind 2075 01:43:40.319 --> 01:43:43.119 of UCL repair that's not great. 2076 01:43:43.279 --> 01:43:50.279 No, it's not great, and nothing else sucks. Yeah, it's 2077 01:43:50.279 --> 01:43:54.640 a real real bummer. Matt Chapman is having season ending 2078 01:43:54.720 --> 01:43:55.640 hernia surgery. 2079 01:43:58.000 --> 01:44:00.239 Yeah, he gets, he gets say it's a bit, but 2080 01:44:00.279 --> 01:44:01.760 I don't, I don't know. He might be happy to 2081 01:44:01.800 --> 01:44:05.680 get out cares. Yeah, just stay off the scooters. Yeah, 2082 01:44:06.760 --> 01:44:09.279 or if you have heard yes surgery, imagine be uncomfortable 2083 01:44:09.680 --> 01:44:12.199 writing a scooter down the San Francisco anyway, I think 2084 01:44:12.279 --> 01:44:13.319 everything is uncomfortable. 2085 01:44:13.399 --> 01:44:16.760 Yeah, fair enough, four years and one hundred million left 2086 01:44:16.840 --> 01:44:18.039 on that contract. 2087 01:44:19.119 --> 01:44:21.800 And then the most movable of their deals probably Yeah. 2088 01:44:22.239 --> 01:44:24.359 I did see Rafael Devers hit one to dead center 2089 01:44:24.399 --> 01:44:26.000 off Kaider Montero over the weekend. 2090 01:44:26.479 --> 01:44:28.560 Should we check in on where Rafael Devers. 2091 01:44:28.680 --> 01:44:30.239 Around one twenty again? I was, I think it was 2092 01:44:30.279 --> 01:44:32.079 one sixteen last night, looked and he set a home 2093 01:44:32.159 --> 01:44:33.520 runs one three. 2094 01:44:33.680 --> 01:44:38.159 There you go every year, yep, until he won't. 2095 01:44:38.199 --> 01:44:39.880 There will tell you there will be there when he won't, 2096 01:44:39.880 --> 01:44:41.039 and it won't be one hundred it. 2097 01:44:41.039 --> 01:44:44.800 Will be it will be ugly. It will be the 2098 01:44:44.920 --> 01:44:49.000 Cardinals dfade Nelson Alaskaz This is the five, five and 2099 01:44:49.079 --> 01:44:49.640 dives special. 2100 01:44:49.760 --> 01:44:52.000 It is, But also like I appreciate giving Nelson Alaska 2101 01:44:52.039 --> 01:44:54.239 As a chance to catch on with the playoff team. Yeah, 2102 01:44:56.159 --> 01:44:59.760 I saw it signed to Austin Hayes. I guess it's 2103 01:45:00.119 --> 01:45:02.800 that's true, Like, it's not impossible and Nelson Alaskas could 2104 01:45:02.840 --> 01:45:05.199 find a That's also a lot of teams in a playoff, right, 2105 01:45:05.199 --> 01:45:06.039 it's included the Cardinals. 2106 01:45:06.039 --> 01:45:09.199 Frankly, but yeah, when I saw that on the rundown, 2107 01:45:09.239 --> 01:45:11.039 I said, I thought Patrick wasn't on this show. 2108 01:45:12.079 --> 01:45:15.239 This is that Nelson Alaska's is a Jeff special. Yeah, okay, 2109 01:45:15.359 --> 01:45:20.159 I couldn't remember. And lastly, Jose Caberiro just keeps doing ship. 2110 01:45:20.600 --> 01:45:20.800 Yeah. 2111 01:45:20.960 --> 01:45:24.800 So we have an article up about his inability to 2112 01:45:24.920 --> 01:45:28.000 execute a bunt well on the site. 2113 01:45:28.600 --> 01:45:31.000 There was obviously there was a lot made of him 2114 01:45:32.159 --> 01:45:35.079 his gamesmanship, like making eye contact with the catcher. 2115 01:45:34.880 --> 01:45:36.760 The pitcher is eating the last second. 2116 01:45:37.119 --> 01:45:40.319 But he actually got a I have seen this happen before. 2117 01:45:40.359 --> 01:45:42.840 It happens very infrequently. He did get a pitch clock 2118 01:45:43.239 --> 01:45:45.199 violation called on the next batter. 2119 01:45:45.319 --> 01:45:47.520 Because he took and some have too long to leave 2120 01:45:47.600 --> 01:45:50.000 them on a walk well. 2121 01:45:49.960 --> 01:45:52.800 Too long to get to first base. Okay, someone clocked it. 2122 01:45:53.119 --> 01:45:55.399 I saw someone clock it on the internet somewhere twenty 2123 01:45:55.479 --> 01:45:56.039 six seconds. 2124 01:45:56.760 --> 01:45:58.039 That is that is insane. 2125 01:45:58.119 --> 01:46:00.479 Like David Ortiz can get around the face is on 2126 01:46:00.520 --> 01:46:02.680 a home run faster than that buddy, Like just get 2127 01:46:02.720 --> 01:46:06.359 to first place. I have seen this happen before. Usually 2128 01:46:06.439 --> 01:46:08.760 it's like but usually the guy's on first or like 2129 01:46:08.800 --> 01:46:11.079 there's something with the getting the glove on, or there's 2130 01:46:11.079 --> 01:46:13.359 a pinch runner and they're going over notes and he's 2131 01:46:13.399 --> 01:46:15.960 not ready. It's really the guy like it was actually 2132 01:46:16.039 --> 01:46:18.359 the previous batter just taking too long to walk to 2133 01:46:18.399 --> 01:46:18.840 first place. 2134 01:46:20.960 --> 01:46:25.319 Honestly, I just have to say that, as as someone 2135 01:46:25.359 --> 01:46:29.159 who loves to troll my friends in competition, I have 2136 01:46:29.279 --> 01:46:31.479 a little bit of respect for Jose Cabierro for trying 2137 01:46:31.560 --> 01:46:33.560 to trying to pull this bullshito. 2138 01:46:33.640 --> 01:46:35.640 He is like he's not a bad major Like he's 2139 01:46:35.640 --> 01:46:38.439 a major league quality player. I understand, real like trying 2140 01:46:38.479 --> 01:46:41.520 to get every advantage he can offensively given his game. 2141 01:46:42.199 --> 01:46:45.520 Who was who was it? This is? This is real 2142 01:46:45.640 --> 01:46:49.880 energy of the guy who blew in Lebron's ear Lance Stevenson, 2143 01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:53.600 Lance Stephenson. Yeah, it's very very much like that, that 2144 01:46:53.760 --> 01:46:56.479 kind of shit where it's like it's like I kind 2145 01:46:56.520 --> 01:46:58.880 of respect it and the belief in yourself and you 2146 01:46:59.000 --> 01:47:01.960 are actually like has just said, like he's an above 2147 01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:05.720 average major league like he's above or he's at least 2148 01:47:05.760 --> 01:47:11.239 above replacement. There's a lot of utility, and it's also 2149 01:47:11.399 --> 01:47:16.000 like cut this ship out, like but it's also like 2150 01:47:16.079 --> 01:47:19.119 he's probably not this guy without all this ship so there's. 2151 01:47:18.960 --> 01:47:21.800 A line, right, there's a line that and he's not 2152 01:47:22.000 --> 01:47:24.840 like way over the line, but he's a little little bit. 2153 01:47:25.600 --> 01:47:27.840 Which is the whole. But that's his whole thing, right, Like, 2154 01:47:28.000 --> 01:47:30.359 that's probably how he got to where he is by 2155 01:47:30.560 --> 01:47:31.800 just like believing. 2156 01:47:31.479 --> 01:47:34.600 If I do all this ship Like I'm this isn't 2157 01:47:34.680 --> 01:47:39.000 a serious comparison. But I played in a golf scramble 2158 01:47:39.079 --> 01:47:41.640 with several friends over the weekend, and one of my 2159 01:47:42.359 --> 01:47:44.359 best friends too, my golf with most often, was in 2160 01:47:44.439 --> 01:47:46.359 the group behind me. And I know for a fact 2161 01:47:46.479 --> 01:47:50.039 that when the group in front of him plays particularly slow, 2162 01:47:50.119 --> 01:47:52.760 he goes on tilt and plays really bad. Guess what 2163 01:47:52.880 --> 01:47:57.039 I did for eighteen I played as slow as humanly possible. 2164 01:47:57.479 --> 01:47:59.279 That's where I respect hoseikave here. 2165 01:48:00.039 --> 01:48:02.760 Yeah, and like Lance Stevenson is probably honestly like the 2166 01:48:02.800 --> 01:48:05.640 basketball when I first thought of because I'm olds like, uh, 2167 01:48:06.000 --> 01:48:09.600 was it Bruce Bowen? Right, Yeah, Bruce Brown pulled all 2168 01:48:09.720 --> 01:48:12.560 he you know, put his foot under someone else's foot 2169 01:48:12.720 --> 01:48:15.439 like it was all that little TICKI tac ship. 2170 01:48:15.960 --> 01:48:17.720 As a Bulls fan, it just makes me think of 2171 01:48:17.800 --> 01:48:20.279 John Starts with the Knicks in the nineties. Yeah, sure, 2172 01:48:20.760 --> 01:48:23.760 going against Jordan, yep, yeah, all right. 2173 01:48:24.079 --> 01:48:25.319 That brings us to our game. 2174 01:48:25.880 --> 01:48:28.399 So as a, as alluded to at the beginning of 2175 01:48:28.399 --> 01:48:30.399 the show, wading another round of I am d MLB, 2176 01:48:31.039 --> 01:48:31.359 and I. 2177 01:48:31.439 --> 01:48:33.960 Do want to point out we have a game from 2178 01:48:34.000 --> 01:48:36.199 a from always and we do appreciate that. 2179 01:48:36.359 --> 01:48:38.520 But this is this is how to give his chance 2180 01:48:38.560 --> 01:48:39.039 of retribution. 2181 01:48:39.199 --> 01:48:41.800 You have to you have to try your best to 2182 01:48:42.239 --> 01:48:45.159 make me look like an idiot during my rare appearances 2183 01:48:45.159 --> 01:48:45.319 on This. 2184 01:48:45.479 --> 01:48:48.159 Is the quick reminder. I have nine is totally like 2185 01:48:48.199 --> 01:48:51.600 before and after. I have nine movie titles that combine 2186 01:48:51.640 --> 01:48:54.159 a movie and a baseball player, and I will read 2187 01:48:54.199 --> 01:48:56.159 them out. It goes and just buzz in when you 2188 01:48:57.319 --> 01:49:00.239 when you figure out what it is. A lesser known 2189 01:49:00.359 --> 01:49:03.039 Spike Lee film about nineteen seventy seven New York and 2190 01:49:03.119 --> 01:49:05.439 a very well known ALE Rookie of the Year candidate 2191 01:49:05.479 --> 01:49:06.079 to listeners of. 2192 01:49:06.079 --> 01:49:18.560 This podcast, nineteen seventies New York and Rookie of the 2193 01:49:18.640 --> 01:49:19.399 Year candidate. 2194 01:49:23.840 --> 01:49:24.840 I thought this was just gonna be one of the 2195 01:49:24.880 --> 01:49:26.520 easier ones, or after a get. 2196 01:49:26.359 --> 01:49:28.319 Started, I don't it's a lesser known Spike Lee. 2197 01:49:34.119 --> 01:49:37.560 I said this at the beginning. My mind goes blank 2198 01:49:37.600 --> 01:49:41.279 when these trivia games. We welcome, Welcome Colin, Welcome to 2199 01:49:41.359 --> 01:49:43.039 the Yes. 2200 01:49:44.840 --> 01:49:47.640 I mean I have to assume, especially with his probably 2201 01:49:47.880 --> 01:49:50.479 the Rookie of the utendant has to be McGonagall, right. 2202 01:49:53.079 --> 01:49:54.680 I'm trying to help you out because I don't know, 2203 01:49:54.920 --> 01:49:59.199 I know, I know. So something with Kevin is it? 2204 01:49:59.279 --> 01:50:05.600 Does he have a movie Kevin? Or is it? What? 2205 01:50:06.319 --> 01:50:08.319 What was? What was the full phrasing of this This 2206 01:50:08.439 --> 01:50:11.720 clue again, Spike Lee film about nineteen seventy seven New 2207 01:50:11.840 --> 01:50:14.119 York and a well known Ale Rookie of the Year 2208 01:50:14.159 --> 01:50:17.279 candidates to listeners of this podcast, a. 2209 01:50:17.359 --> 01:50:23.520 Well known Rookie of the Year candidate, My god, my cool. 2210 01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:28.399 I don't know. 2211 01:50:28.560 --> 01:50:30.239 I am going to call it because we have eight 2212 01:50:30.319 --> 01:50:32.079 more of these to get through. It is summer of 2213 01:50:32.159 --> 01:50:33.000 Sam Antonacci. 2214 01:50:33.880 --> 01:50:34.079 Oh. 2215 01:50:35.079 --> 01:50:37.479 I could not think of Sam Anzonachi as a Rookie 2216 01:50:37.479 --> 01:50:38.960 of the Year candidate. I would not have thought of 2217 01:50:39.159 --> 01:50:40.560 I was thinking White Rocky. 2218 01:50:40.439 --> 01:50:43.159 Too, and I was thinking more of comedy. Yeah, well, 2219 01:50:43.159 --> 01:50:45.760 that's fair enough. I did not consider. I mean, I'm 2220 01:50:45.800 --> 01:50:49.600 not saying it's wrong. I just did not SAMAI never entered. Yeah, 2221 01:50:49.640 --> 01:50:50.239 that's one. 2222 01:50:50.319 --> 01:50:54.439 The listeners love Sam Antonacci, getting emails love Sam Antonacci. Yeah, 2223 01:50:54.479 --> 01:50:58.560 absolutely all right, William Goldman Penscript Storry, Robert Redford and 2224 01:50:58.640 --> 01:51:01.800 Dustin Hoffman as the two most famous journalists of all time. 2225 01:51:02.199 --> 01:51:04.600 And I'm Milwaukee Brewers Wall of Honor recipient. 2226 01:51:07.720 --> 01:51:13.800 Okay, huh, I know the movie, and I'm blaming me too. 2227 01:51:16.439 --> 01:51:22.039 I'm thinking of a wrong title. Jesus Christ Brewers, Brewers 2228 01:51:22.399 --> 01:51:30.279 Wall of Honor. Why why can't I think of the 2229 01:51:30.399 --> 01:51:34.039 sucking I know the movie, I can pick I see them, 2230 01:51:35.760 --> 01:51:36.960 I know the name of the movie. 2231 01:51:37.039 --> 01:51:39.319 I cannot think of the player that this relates to. 2232 01:51:42.840 --> 01:51:44.560 The only player I can think of that I could 2233 01:51:44.640 --> 01:51:48.119 throw in here, I would. I don't know if even play. 2234 01:51:48.319 --> 01:51:49.800 You need to take are the listeners? 2235 01:51:50.000 --> 01:51:52.920 This is all right, I'll say it. I'll say I'll 2236 01:51:52.960 --> 01:51:54.399 give you the assist if you can get it. Craig, 2237 01:51:54.479 --> 01:51:55.800 the movie is all the President's Men. 2238 01:51:55.960 --> 01:52:01.079 Okay, oh that's what I was thinking. Okay, for some 2239 01:52:01.159 --> 01:52:04.520 reason I thought that was the wrong title. Okay, that's why. 2240 01:52:04.640 --> 01:52:06.560 The only thing I could think of. And he did 2241 01:52:06.640 --> 01:52:08.399 play for the Brewers, but not enough to be a 2242 01:52:08.560 --> 01:52:11.199 Wall of Honor. I was like all of the presidents, Kevin, 2243 01:52:13.640 --> 01:52:14.960 you just got that name in my head? 2244 01:52:16.159 --> 01:52:23.640 An is it is it is it, Paul Mollitor The 2245 01:52:23.760 --> 01:52:27.239 President's Men. Now was. 2246 01:52:29.279 --> 01:52:33.640 It your you're you have the right idea. It's Bill Hall, 2247 01:52:33.720 --> 01:52:34.560 the President's Man. 2248 01:52:35.199 --> 01:52:38.399 Bill Hall. Damn it Bill on the Wall of Honor 2249 01:52:38.920 --> 01:52:42.159 that part of the game, the honors, and I don't 2250 01:52:42.199 --> 01:52:45.560 think it was. But I didn't know that about Bill Hall. 2251 01:52:45.680 --> 01:52:50.560 Bill All the President's Men. That's good, POD know, that's 2252 01:52:50.720 --> 01:52:51.760 That's a great one, Jeff. 2253 01:52:53.000 --> 01:52:55.920 A classic rom com starring Audrey Hepburn, who won Best 2254 01:52:55.960 --> 01:52:59.359 Actress for the role, and a young Red Sox star 2255 01:52:59.439 --> 01:53:01.039 who is also gone missing for a summer. 2256 01:53:02.199 --> 01:53:03.960 Oh Roman Anthony Holiday. 2257 01:53:04.119 --> 01:53:05.840 Yes, Roman Anthony Holiday. 2258 01:53:05.640 --> 01:53:08.279 Roman Roman Holiday. Okay, yeah, sure, I wouldn't have gotten 2259 01:53:08.319 --> 01:53:10.560 the movie. I knew it was Roman Anthony. 2260 01:53:11.479 --> 01:53:14.079 Susan Sarandon and Geena Davis Hit the Road for Mexico 2261 01:53:14.479 --> 01:53:16.960 and the Yankees New First Basement or the Astros Old 2262 01:53:17.000 --> 01:53:19.439 Starter or a hard throwing reliever for a bunch of teams. 2263 01:53:23.319 --> 01:53:30.239 Mm hmm, The Yankees New for Oh Thelman Luis Garcia, Thelman, 2264 01:53:30.359 --> 01:53:31.399 Luis Garcia, Yes. 2265 01:53:31.479 --> 01:53:34.720 Yeah, sure right, all the Louise Scarcia, Yes, shame on me. 2266 01:53:36.960 --> 01:53:40.199 And incredibly violent Sam Peckham Paw film starring Dustin Hoffman 2267 01:53:40.319 --> 01:53:42.560 and a Blue Jays outfielder most famous for being dealt 2268 01:53:42.600 --> 01:53:43.800 for international slot money. 2269 01:53:45.159 --> 01:53:47.399 Okay, I know the player. I have no idea of 2270 01:53:47.479 --> 01:53:53.199 the movie. You could have done a different movie. I 2271 01:53:53.680 --> 01:53:54.000 could have. 2272 01:53:55.840 --> 01:53:58.520 An incredibly violent Sam Peck and paf film starring Dustin 2273 01:53:58.560 --> 01:54:00.680 Hoffman and a Blue Jays outfield are most samous for 2274 01:54:00.760 --> 01:54:02.279 me dell for international slot money. 2275 01:54:03.600 --> 01:54:05.000 Miles straw Dogs. 2276 01:54:05.199 --> 01:54:06.840 Yes, Miles straw Dogs. 2277 01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:09.119 Oh, I was saying, I was in my head. I'm 2278 01:54:09.159 --> 01:54:15.199 just sitting there going eight Miles straw that's good. 2279 01:54:15.560 --> 01:54:17.640 It was the nineteen sixty one version that won the 2280 01:54:17.720 --> 01:54:20.560 Academy Award for Best Picture, not the Steven Spielberg won, 2281 01:54:20.920 --> 01:54:23.279 and a shortstop whose best version was for the Rockies. 2282 01:54:25.640 --> 01:54:29.159 Oh it never ending story, west Side Trevor Story. 2283 01:54:29.000 --> 01:54:32.199 Yes, west Side Trevor Story, Spielberg, I missed. I liked 2284 01:54:32.239 --> 01:54:34.920 it whatever. I took a cat. 2285 01:54:36.680 --> 01:54:38.840 You've seen the opening title card for this film at 2286 01:54:38.920 --> 01:54:42.199 least one hundred times. And a sinker bowler mostly for Cleveland, 2287 01:54:42.199 --> 01:54:43.840 who you might not know was born in Jamaica. 2288 01:54:48.439 --> 01:54:56.159 Okay, I actually know the player. I don't. I don't 2289 01:54:56.199 --> 01:55:01.800 know the type the movie. I know the player because 2290 01:55:01.800 --> 01:55:03.239 I actually know that fact. 2291 01:55:05.520 --> 01:55:08.000 Title title card I've seen one hundred times. The only 2292 01:55:08.000 --> 01:55:11.119 thing I think of his Star Wars. It's not Star Wars, 2293 01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:12.640 I don't is it. 2294 01:55:13.359 --> 01:55:16.359 I'm no, not based on the not based on the 2295 01:55:16.359 --> 01:55:17.560 player who I'm pretty sure I know. 2296 01:55:17.720 --> 01:55:22.079 Yeah, m hm, a sinkerballer for the Guardians who was 2297 01:55:22.119 --> 01:55:23.560 born also for the Red Sox. 2298 01:55:23.640 --> 01:55:25.880 Correct, Yes, for the Red Sox as well. 2299 01:55:26.720 --> 01:55:33.960 Yeah, so I know. Uh wait is it Justin Masterson? Yeah, 2300 01:55:34.319 --> 01:55:38.000 Justin Masterson of the Universe, Masters of the Universe. I'm 2301 01:55:38.079 --> 01:55:41.199 taking a guess. I don't know. Justin Yeah, he is 2302 01:55:41.239 --> 01:55:41.920 born in Jamaica. 2303 01:55:41.960 --> 01:55:44.960 It is Justin, Oh, Justin Masters, then command Master and 2304 01:55:44.960 --> 01:55:48.159 Commander Yes, nice. 2305 01:55:49.159 --> 01:55:51.159 Yeah, times. 2306 01:55:51.680 --> 01:55:54.119 No, that's really good, very good, very good. 2307 01:55:54.880 --> 01:55:58.039 Let's watch Sally Hawkins fr Man and then nominate it 2308 01:55:58.079 --> 01:56:00.520 for a bunch of oscars and let's watch this bravest. 2309 01:56:00.560 --> 01:56:03.319 Prospects struggled to hit major league pitching, mostly for the Royals. 2310 01:56:04.840 --> 01:56:08.479 Shape of Drew Waters, The Shape of Drew Waters. Nice. Nice. 2311 01:56:09.359 --> 01:56:11.039 I knew I knew the movie, but I was that 2312 01:56:11.159 --> 01:56:13.439 I didn't have the title I like, but I knew them. 2313 01:56:14.079 --> 01:56:15.920 I knew exactly which moan you were talking about. 2314 01:56:16.760 --> 01:56:19.560 Paul Newman plays the coolest convict on the planet and 2315 01:56:19.640 --> 01:56:21.359 a leverage reliever traded at the deadline. 2316 01:56:22.960 --> 01:56:25.119 Cool hand, Luke Weaver, cool hand, Luke Weaver. 2317 01:56:25.319 --> 01:56:28.319 Yes, right, what a redemption you did. 2318 01:56:28.439 --> 01:56:31.520 You did make it easier and you made it. 2319 01:56:33.079 --> 01:56:33.840 To consider Craig. 2320 01:56:34.239 --> 01:56:40.039 Yes, that's that's all them, that's all them. Well done. 2321 01:56:40.159 --> 01:56:42.800 I I love this game. I'm terrible at it, but 2322 01:56:42.840 --> 01:56:44.159 I really, I really enjoy it. 2323 01:56:45.159 --> 01:56:47.399 I was pretty happy with Justin Masterson and Commander. 2324 01:56:47.479 --> 01:56:50.640 So yeah, I'm proud of myself for well, when you 2325 01:56:50.720 --> 01:56:53.319 said red and red Sox, that's Justin Masterson popped in 2326 01:56:53.359 --> 01:56:53.640 my head. 2327 01:56:53.680 --> 01:56:55.680 I had no idea otherwise, I had no idea was 2328 01:56:55.720 --> 01:56:59.560 born in Jamaica. Yes, well, I worked with his cousin 2329 01:56:59.800 --> 01:57:04.680 for for a summer, so he so I know about 2330 01:57:04.840 --> 01:57:08.720 Justin Masterson. Anyway, Congratulations Colin on the redemption. Thank you 2331 01:57:08.840 --> 01:57:11.840 for joining us today. Thank you to our listeners for 2332 01:57:12.079 --> 01:57:14.760 tuning in to another episode of five and Dive brought 2333 01:57:14.760 --> 01:57:17.119 to you by the Baseball Perspectives podcast network. You can 2334 01:57:17.159 --> 01:57:18.479 get in touch with the show at five and Dive 2335 01:57:18.520 --> 01:57:21.199 at Baseball Perspectives dot com. We are wherever you get 2336 01:57:21.239 --> 01:57:24.319 your podcasts. Search for the Baseball Perspectives podcast network and 2337 01:57:24.399 --> 01:57:26.000 we'll be in that feed. And if you want to 2338 01:57:26.039 --> 01:57:28.199 be in the discord, we got two recent sign ups. 2339 01:57:28.600 --> 01:57:31.359 Feel free to sign up on Patreon and we'll get 2340 01:57:31.359 --> 01:57:33.359 you in the discord. If you enjoy what we're doing 2341 01:57:33.439 --> 01:57:35.239 and want to drip us a five star review, we'd 2342 01:57:35.279 --> 01:57:38.560 greatly appreciate it. Thank you again. And if you've been 2343 01:57:38.600 --> 01:57:41.279 waiting for the pod to be over your chin us 2344 01:57:41.319 --> 01:58:07.960 now I would can be the answering gle be over 2345 01:58:12.039 --> 01:58:14.760 all the fas