WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.520 We talk from Utah football scrimmage over the weekends. It 2 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:06.919 is week three of four weeks for fall camp for 3 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:08.599 the Utes before they go to the Rose Bowl to 4 00:00:08.599 --> 00:00:11.279 take on UCLA College Basketball. 5 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:12.160 Right around the corner. 6 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:14.439 Had a chance to catch up with Alex Jensen last 7 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:17.559 week up at the Red Zone Store on campus. If 8 00:00:17.559 --> 00:00:19.559 you're an old ute like me, we used to call 9 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:24.160 it the bookstore. It is definitely not just the bookstore anymore. 10 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:26.879 It is a very nice facility. It looks a lot 11 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:29.679 different than it did once upon a time when I 12 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:32.520 was causing chaos on campus. 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Speaking of old Utes, I'm not 20 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:54.960 calling him old, but when I was on campus, the 21 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:57.840 athletic director of the University of Utah was doctor Chris Hill, 22 00:00:57.880 --> 00:01:00.159 and he joins me live in studio, Doctor Hill, how. 23 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:01.079 Are you, Sara I'm doing well. 24 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:04.120 There's probably two generations that were there, but. 25 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:07.359 I'm doing well. Can't complain great to see a great 26 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:07.959 time of year. 27 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:13.159 So as we approach football and basketball, what are some 28 00:01:13.239 --> 00:01:16.719 of the boxes that you wanted checked before the football 29 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:17.359 was kicked off? 30 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:20.879 Well, I think that you know, I'm by no means 31 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:23.719 close to it. You know, I live near a colloccasion 32 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:27.799 or whatever. But I kind of like some things I hear. Okay, 33 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:30.120 you know, I mean, I'm probably going to try to 34 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:31.799 go to practice in a week or two from now 35 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:35.079 just to say hello. But I don't do that often, 36 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:37.359 maybe once a year, but I kind of like what 37 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:39.599 I hear. You know, it does take a genius to 38 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:41.680 say the quarterback's got to do well and not get hurt. 39 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:42.879 I mean, everybody knows that. 40 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:45.920 One of the things I really like hearing is about 41 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:48.879 this offensive line. Yeah, and you know, to me, a 42 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:53.439 good quarterback can become very good with the good line, 43 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:56.200 for sure. I mean, it can't change the quarterback's ability, 44 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:58.120 but you've got a little bit more time to throw. 45 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:00.920 And this guy seems like a runner, you know, a 46 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:03.480 defense I you know, I just kind of take it 47 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:06.359 for granted and maybe I shouldn't, but you know, I'll 48 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:08.439 do the running back, I don't, you know, know, so 49 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:11.000 I think when you have that kind of offensive line 50 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:13.599 when I'm here, one guy like projected is you know, 51 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:14.840 top twelve. 52 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:15.719 Picks or some area. 53 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:19.759 You know, from my chair, it's similar to yours, and 54 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:21.719 you know, but I kind of like hearing that stuff, 55 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:24.439 you know, and I think that, you know, Harding's a 56 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:27.199 really good coach on the line, so I think that 57 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:29.879 though that'll happen, that'll be good for him. 58 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:33.159 Yeah, all five starters return, and you know, one of 59 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:35.319 the players we don't even hear about much is Michael 60 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:39.360 Malkafici who has thirty three starts. Now everybody talks about 61 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:42.240 Spencer Fano and Caleb b. Loomo the two tackles, but 62 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:46.319 Michae last thirty three starts, Jaron is a captain, and 63 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:48.919 the Tongia kid is returning as well. 64 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:50.719 I mean, all five of those starters return. 65 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:56.039 I wonder if you ever had experience when it comes 66 00:02:56.080 --> 00:02:57.400 to like last year. 67 00:02:57.280 --> 00:02:58.039 Was a disappointment. 68 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:01.039 It was a disappointment for all of us that expected 69 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:04.840 something different. It was certainly disappointment for Kyle himself, and 70 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:08.520 he spoke about that during Big Twelve Media day. It 71 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:10.759 feels like you taught football is so in trench now 72 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:13.400 that you don't need to quote win anybody back. Yeah, 73 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:15.560 but what do you look for after a season like 74 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:17.560 last year that just didn't go the way any of 75 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:18.439 us were expecting. 76 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:21.000 Well, I just hope they start off well in beat 77 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:23.639 UCLA the first one, because then the next two. I 78 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:25.039 can say this now as an ad I don't have 79 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:26.360 to act like they're easy games. 80 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:28.800 But we did schedule some of those for that reason. 81 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:32.039 But I like what I hear, the thing that you 82 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:34.840 don't worry about it, but you just think, now our 83 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:37.319 expectations are good, and that's really good. 84 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:37.960 Ya, that's cool. 85 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:40.080 Yeah, Like we don't go in with our tail between 86 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:41.639 our legs and we don't say, oh, last year, that's 87 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:43.879 where it's going to be. I don't think anybody feels 88 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:44.240 that way. 89 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:44.680 You know. 90 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:47.960 I don't know how people's expectations are, but you know, 91 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:49.919 I think they're in line to have a very good 92 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:54.360 year again, and the fans I think are still interested 93 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:59.719 in coming and so I'm optimistic about just the whole 94 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:03.280 play they have in the pecking order of the Big Twelve. 95 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:05.439 You know, it was interesting to hear Kyle a big 96 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:09.159 twelve media day, and he said this on Sean Show 97 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:13.000 last off season, but he was more adamant about the 98 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:17.680 fact that his decision to come back was colored in 99 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:20.959 the context of how rough last year was. And I 100 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:24.839 honestly wondered if that was even a factor, because he's 101 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:27.759 one of a handful of coaches in college football whose 102 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:30.759 legacy is cemented at the institution where he's at. There's 103 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:34.240 nothing about last year that changes the thirty thousand foot 104 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:36.519 view of what Kyle has done with the program. But 105 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:38.399 knowing him the way you do is the competitor. What 106 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:40.879 are your thoughts on what that must have been like 107 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:44.639 for him? And him really admitting front facing, like, yeah, 108 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:46.439 it wasn't good enough, and that's one of the reasons 109 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:47.480 I decided to come back. 110 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:51.920 Kyle's really tough on himself, and he's tough on everybody, 111 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:54.879 you know, So I would imagine it was grinding pretty 112 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:58.720 hard at him, you know, and especially because he got 113 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:02.079 halfways through season and kind of going, oh, you know, 114 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:04.120 I don't know how we're gonna get where I think 115 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:07.079 we can get. So it made for and I'm just guessing, 116 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:08.759 but it would make for a long season. For me, 117 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:11.240 if I kind of knew that, I had nobody to 118 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:13.680 really come in and make it happen. And you don't 119 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:16.360 want to think about the next year when you're sitting there. 120 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:20.519 So it had to be really, really tough because he's 121 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:25.040 done so well and kind of has control of things, 122 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:28.920 and that's football coaches are. All coaches are control for yees, 123 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:33.000 and things were out of his control, and that's not 124 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:34.959 a pleasant thing for a coach like that. 125 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:39.759 What are the characteristics that make I mean, your hiring record, 126 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.319 and I'm not buttering you up, sure, but your hiring 127 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:46.240 record was very good, both on the football and basketball 128 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:47.959 side and other sports as well, you know, the Red 129 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:52.240 Rocks obviously. So when it comes to the process of 130 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:57.000 looking for the right person to lead a program of football, basketball, gymnastics, 131 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:59.199 whatever it is, what are those traits? 132 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:01.120 Well, for me, you know, it's. 133 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:05.000 Most of the really good coaches we had, very smart, 134 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:08.000 you know, and you know people might think you just 135 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:09.800 rolled the ball out and play and that's not the case. 136 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:11.920 How to build a team, how to get kids to 137 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:15.399 play together, you know, that's important. And for me personally, 138 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:17.959 it was where somebody had the chance to put the 139 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:21.160 pederal metal that was a mark in their career. They 140 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:23.439 knew if they did well at Utah, they'd either could 141 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:25.519 run it out or they can get a bigger job, 142 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:30.000 you know. So I like the people that were doing well, 143 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:32.720 but they were just ready and this was their mark, 144 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:35.240 you know. So I think they have to be smart, 145 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:38.079 you know, they have to be around winning too that 146 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:41.759 you know, that's not obvious, but that is obvious. But 147 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:44.920 I think the qualities are the personal qualities in this 148 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:48.680 day and age, how to interact with people, you know, 149 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:51.800 obviously team, but I think it's also I kept thinking 150 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:55.839 in my mind and maybe that's because what Chase Peterson 151 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:57.240 told me about when he hired me when I was 152 00:06:57.279 --> 00:06:59.839 just a kid, that it wasn't your make or break 153 00:06:59.839 --> 00:07:02.879 for you right now. I mean, if Kyle didn't do well, 154 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:06.800 I mean, you know, and there's no slowing down for 155 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:08.959 a guy like that. You know, he's just after this 156 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:10.480 is his deal and he made it happen. 157 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:14.279 Yeah, what did you Let's go back for a little bit. 158 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:15.759 What did you see in an urban. 159 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:21.079 Well, I knew a lot of knew some things about him, 160 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:25.000 and also there's there's other people you talk to and 161 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.160 and you know, it's an interesting thing when when when 162 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:29.480 a staff gets fired or moves on and they keep 163 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:32.560 a guy that says something and a coloro state. They 164 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:34.680 kept him well because he was the best recruiter. He 165 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:37.839 was this, He was that, you know. When I met him, 166 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:43.040 he was so enthusiastic, was organized as all hell, was 167 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:46.160 a disciplinarian, and he had the guts of a burglar. 168 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:47.000 You know. 169 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:50.319 So uh, I think he I think he could do. 170 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:54.360 And we needed juice. We needed juice, and he was 171 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:57.560 not afraid of doing that. And he wasn't afraid of anything, 172 00:07:57.879 --> 00:08:00.920 you know. And you know he was enough to get Kyle. 173 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:01.160 Now. 174 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:03.040 But when I looked at him, and I'm not a genius, 175 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:05.399 it's always a crapshoot. I tell people, you know, you 176 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:07.879 hire ten people, if you're right seven times, that's a 177 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:10.079 hell of a job. Of course, go to recruiting the 178 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:11.839 same thing. Got an eighteen year old guy, you're right 179 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:14.399 seven out of ten. That's crazy. But he had those 180 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:19.560 quite so organized, so enthusiastic, very bright, you know, and 181 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:22.759 this was really his mark. And you know I told 182 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:24.319 him when we hired him, I got it. You know, 183 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:25.839 we'll try to hold on to you, but you hit 184 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:27.519 the greatest, the greats, We'll give you a hug, and 185 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:30.600 because you goodbye, no, we'll be better. So you know, 186 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:32.799 all those things ended up. You know, I enjoyed it personally. 187 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:34.399 I think we got the best of Urban. 188 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:35.559 What was it like? 189 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:38.519 And I have a little bit of experience that with 190 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:42.480 this through the prism of my father's career. The best 191 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:46.679 example was learning pat Riley away from NBC to coach 192 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.320 the next And there were a lot of questions about 193 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:52.000 whether or not Pat had the juice left that he 194 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:53.279 had in LA. 195 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:56.559 And it became really apparent very quickly that he did. 196 00:08:56.679 --> 00:08:58.960 And it's funny as you describe your Urban Meyer, pat 197 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:01.960 Riley is coming to my mind. Sure organized guts of 198 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:05.159 a burglar, which is a great line. You know, didn't 199 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:07.600 take anything from anybody, knew exactly what he wanted and 200 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:10.320 knew how to communicate that with his players. What was 201 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:14.519 it like to watch your decision to hire Urban? Because 202 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:16.639 I say this all the time, Coach Mac deserves credit 203 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:19.759 for laying the foundation. Urban built the mansion and then 204 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:23.960 Kyle expanded it right. So, sitting back and watching that 205 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:27.840 two year period in Utah football, that doctor Hill. 206 00:09:27.799 --> 00:09:29.519 Changed the landscape of everything around here. 207 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:31.240 What was it like to sit back and watch your 208 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:33.120 decision manifest itself the way it did? 209 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:35.840 Oh, it was you know, it was great. I mean 210 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:38.639 I got off the hook a lot quicker, you know. 211 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:41.919 I mean, when you let somebody go and you hire somebody, 212 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:45.519 they're two different decisions or sure, but they're inextricably linked, 213 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:47.679 you know. So if the new guy comes in and 214 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:50.600 wins right away all of a sudden, you're smart guy. Yeah, 215 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:52.440 if it takes two or three years, you're getting beat 216 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:55.279 up for two or three years. So he got me 217 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:58.399 off the hook pretty quick, and you enjoyed it. Our 218 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:00.960 our favorite game, which we though it was a turning point. 219 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:04.279 We both agreed upon this independently. Was his first year 220 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:06.639 and when they played cow third game of the year, 221 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:12.559 packed house, We go down the field perfectly, Alex scores 222 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:15.399 and a place goes crazy, and Urban's out in the 223 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:18.360 crowd after that, and the town and you know, whipping 224 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:20.919 people up, and we win the league and then it's 225 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:21.759 like nirvana. 226 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:24.639 How much off. 227 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:29.039 Field credit des Urban get for the creation of because 228 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:31.200 the musk wasn't a thing when I was in school. 229 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:35.080 The student section was barely a thing when I was 230 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:37.399 in school. And so every time I'm up there for 231 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:39.879 a home game, I take none of it for granted. 232 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:41.600 I turn around to look at the muscle, like this 233 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:44.679 is wild to me. Still, Yeah, I haven't been in school, 234 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:47.799 you know, twenty for twenty five, twenty six years now. 235 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:51.399 It's just everything is different. And it felt like there 236 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:54.120 was the on field tangible stuff that we all saw, 237 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:58.600 the winning Alex the number one pick in the NFL draft. 238 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:00.360 We all could see that. 239 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:03.039 But as far as the endeavors off the field to 240 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:05.799 create the culture that still permeates today. 241 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:07.559 How much credit does Urban get for that? Well, he 242 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:10.960 gets a lot. He tireless, you know, tireless, and you know, 243 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:14.000 we all know this. You know, we won, and we 244 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:17.679 won in a big way. We're exciting. But he was 245 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:19.639 fired up all the time. You know, I knew that 246 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:22.039 I'd win a discussion with him. I I just was 247 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:23.600 fired up about whatever he was doing. 248 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:24.559 Chris, we got to do it. 249 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:27.000 Yeah, yeah, and we may not have done it, but still, 250 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:29.519 you know, so I think he deserves a lot of credit. 251 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:32.000 A lot of people, which rightfully so worked hard at 252 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:34.159 getting the musco. But let's be honest, he got it 253 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:38.559 on fire. And then it's continued, but he he you know, 254 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:42.639 the winning he won Saint Urban. As time goes on, 255 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:45.639 but you know when he was here, it happened. Yeah, 256 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:47.000 and you can't deny it. 257 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:49.960 And Frank Layden, who passed recently at the age of 258 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:52.519 ninety three, had this great say and he said, winning 259 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:53.879 cures a myriad of sins. 260 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:55.720 Yes, it does. Frank always used to say that. 261 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:58.080 So winning is the secrets I speaking of which, while 262 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:00.159 we're in this space, I would imagine you had several 263 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:01.840 interactions with Frank over the years. 264 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:03.320 Oh yeah, I'm glad. You know. 265 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:06.240 We were on our trip and Frank and I two 266 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:10.679 wise guy East Coast guys, Catholicers, you know, and he 267 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:13.879 and I would get together early on about once a 268 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:16.840 month at the one of the coffee shops right near 269 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:19.879 to the university and just solve all the world's problems. 270 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:21.799 He would kind of do that with me and whatever. 271 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:24.320 And as time went on, it was kind of fun 272 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:26.039 for me to have him. After as he retired and 273 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:29.279 getting older, we'd still do the same thing. And you know, 274 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:33.480 I got everybody. Everybody was a mentor by Frank. You know, 275 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:35.200 there's like if I lined up and said I was 276 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:37.519 he was my mentor. They'd say, yeah, here's thirty seven 277 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:39.639 hundred guys that he was a mentor. It gives me 278 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:43.960 chills thinking about him. But you know, he got hit 279 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:47.759 every one of his faculties. But people I wish understood that. 280 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:51.320 Are you know, younger? What he did for the city, 281 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:54.679 what he made it good. He taught me one of 282 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:58.559 the best things ever. He said, it takes a lot 283 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:01.720 less energy to be good to people than to be me. 284 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:05.559 And I never forgot Denny, and he told me a 285 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:08.600 lot of things. But you know, I'm glad you asked 286 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:10.960 me because I wasn't here when it all happened. I mean, 287 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:13.519 I spent time visiting the hospital and everything. So it 288 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:15.039 was fun when we used to meet with those things 289 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:17.360 and Barbara and was really good with Kathy, and we 290 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:18.639 went out at dinner once in a while. 291 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:20.919 That was great. I love the coffee session. And of 292 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:22.960 course I'd be there and they go, here's Frank Layton. 293 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:26.759 I'm like, hey, what about me, I'm somebody too, Nah, 294 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:29.360 that was Frank Layton. I was just his I was 295 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:32.080 just his boy, carrying his coffee around. So I'm glad 296 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:34.600 you bring it up. I mean, who doesn't like Frank 297 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:37.440 find somebody. Yeah, yeah, no, it's uh. He was almost 298 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:40.559 like a second father. So I did an entire show 299 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:42.639 dedicated to him. We had Coach Mac hop on. 300 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:43.120 Yeah. 301 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:47.120 Coach Mac was actually in Hawaii, uh, doing a football camp. 302 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:49.840 And Richard Smith had texted him saying, Spence is doing 303 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:51.840 a show about Frank today, and Max said, when can 304 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:54.320 I hop on? And when Max says can I hop on? 305 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:57.919 You say yes? Obviously, so he hopped on. And obviously 306 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:02.519 Frank's spirit will continue to permeate throughout out the marketplace. 307 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:04.639 And it is interesting to consider. 308 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:07.279 Both of you growing up back east in the Tri 309 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:10.039 State area and landing here and making it home. 310 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:12.759 Yeah, I mean it was Frank's home, and you know, 311 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:14.840 he had chances of going the same with me, and 312 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:18.799 people would say, well, you're so loyal. Well it's a 313 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:21.399 nice place to be. I got good people, I can win. 314 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:23.840 I mean, I guess I'm loyal, but not really. It 315 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:27.000 was a good job. I got paid. That was it, 316 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:29.559 you know, and I just happened to like living here. 317 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:32.559 Frank was kind of It was so interesting that way 318 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:36.159 for me because I thought he validated here's a guy 319 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:39.320 from the you know, New York and he loved it 320 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:41.799 here and we had the accents. I tease him that 321 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:44.120 he still kept his accent. I said, for sure, I said, 322 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:46.440 who are you talking about? Man a couple of coffee. 323 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:49.480 I could do that too, you know. But anyway, but 324 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:50.039 he was great. 325 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:50.919 I'm glad. 326 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:53.559 I'm so glad you mentioned it. Not you know, everybody 327 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:56.200 loves Frank Sure. It's just like I was going to 328 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:58.879 write a letter to the editor. I said, finally we 329 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:02.399 have some non part to send things in the state. Yeah, 330 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:05.519 we got one guy that you know whatever. So anyway, 331 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:06.600 thank you for sure. 332 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:08.399 Yeah, the East Coast came out on him when he 333 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:11.720 was fired up. If there's something that got under his skin, 334 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:14.279 then he went full like Brooklyn. You know, I wish 335 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:18.519 I always enjoyed speaking of letter to the editor. The 336 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:22.720 Tribune today with an interesting piece about the NIL and 337 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:25.960 economic endeavors at Brigham Young. To keep up with the 338 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:30.720 sure other football programs, basketball programs across the landscape of 339 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:35.279 college athletics. I've never fully understood why there's this clandestine 340 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:39.799 cloak that they use to cover their NIL endeavors. Like 341 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:42.720 we have the reports. We know what you're paying these players. 342 00:15:42.759 --> 00:15:45.720 You're paying them an exorbitant amount of money. Kevin Young 343 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:47.360 is one of the highest paid coach in the Big twelve. 344 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:50.720 Kline got a new extension. I don't understand why the 345 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:54.000 messaging isn't more authentic and honest about what they're doing, 346 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:56.200 because there's nothing wrong with what they're doing. 347 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:57.840 Oh no, no, no, Have I talked to you since 348 00:15:57.879 --> 00:15:59.159 I played golf with Tomhomo? 349 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:00.360 You have not? Oh? Okay. 350 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:02.399 So I texted them after because a lot of people 351 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:04.440 don't know. We used to sit together at meetings and 352 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:06.320 we had so much more in common in people. Sure, 353 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:08.679 you know, we had I had my rough spots, but 354 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:10.000 so I said, I'm going to take you out to 355 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:13.600 golf when you want to. And this was just when 356 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:16.360 the thing happened with their quarterback, and then we talked 357 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:18.240 about a lot of that stuff. And he says, now, 358 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:21.759 I got somebody that wants to give X million dollars 359 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:25.399 and the people at you know, uncomfortable, you know, in 360 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:27.879 the board of trustees the LDS church. And he's saying, 361 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:31.399 so you only take this guy that's worth billions and 362 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:35.240 contributing ten percent here, and I'm going to tell them no, 363 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:38.399 you know. So it's kind of like you what do 364 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:41.399 you do if people have that passion, you know, you 365 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:44.080 do it, and and you know what the numbers are. 366 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:45.960 I don't pay attention to it, but I know they're big. 367 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:49.679 But you know, there's no shame, just do it, and 368 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:50.320 that's okay. 369 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:53.320 Yeah, yeah, And you know, it does feel like there's 370 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:56.559 a messaging issue when it comes to the following, which is, 371 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:59.080 we all understand that the church is not writing these checks. 372 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:02.360 These are alumni, right, these are boosters. But even with 373 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:05.400 that caveat, even with that disclaimer, there appears to be 374 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:08.319 a big portion of the culture and the fan base 375 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:11.519 that's really uncomfortable. And maybe it's just steeped in the 376 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:14.599 fact that we're all used to this being amateur right 377 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:17.039 in college athletics, and this is new for all of us. 378 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:22.160 But I just don't understand why the refusal to say 379 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:24.680 the thing out loud seems to exist down there where 380 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:26.720 it's like, no, they want the b YU experience. Guess what, 381 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:29.240 aj Debonsa did not want the BYU experience. He took 382 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:31.400 five million dollars. Okay, I can agree with you now. 383 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:33.319 I couldn't like ten years ago, but I can agree 384 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:33.680 with you now. 385 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:34.039 Yeah. 386 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:36.119 I mean, I'm not saying they didn't treat them. Well, 387 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:38.680 he's not gonna have a great time, have friends. Kevin's 388 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:40.440 a good coach. Yeah, yeah, so they'll be fine. But 389 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:43.319 you know, you wonder where a little bit is you know, 390 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:46.680 if we're if we don't spend quite much money as 391 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:49.079 the other school, we're a little more pure, or we're 392 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:51.559 you know, I don't know, I'm guessing, but you know, 393 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:53.799 people want to be the They don't want to be 394 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:57.119 Texas in Alabama, but they want to be Texas in Alabama, 395 00:17:57.160 --> 00:17:59.720 right right, So it's kind of like you can't have 396 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:02.160 a both ways. And you know, I just think they 397 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:05.519 just got admit it going and do what they can do. 398 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:09.440 Do you think this new era of college athletics would 399 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:12.160 have been something that would have juiced you up if 400 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:13.720 you were in that seat, or something that would have 401 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:15.519