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<v Speaker 1>Hello, everybody, Welcome to the buck Eye Weekly Podcast. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Gerdaman here as always with Tom or Tom.

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<v Speaker 2>How's it going, Tony, Paul? Camp is almost here. We're

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<v Speaker 2>getting so close you can you can almost smell it.

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<v Speaker 2>How does it smell? It's football players in the heat.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not great, but it's still you know it's not

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<v Speaker 2>It means football season is getting here. So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna put the smell to the side and we're

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna focus on the storylines and what we're watching.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the first three days of practice, you know, fans

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<v Speaker 1>have paid to attend, so there will also be some

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<v Speaker 1>food trucks there, so it kind of smells like wings

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe some euros and maybe just that just those

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<v Speaker 1>Tho's things. And also Nike. It always smells like Nike

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<v Speaker 1>at camp. And so we've previously talked about the offensive

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<v Speaker 1>players who have the most to gain, so we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the defensive players who have the most to gain.

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<v Speaker 1>And Tom, I let you go first in the last show.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm willing to let you go first again. That way

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you, like I can give you a gotcha,

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<v Speaker 1>or I can disagree with you, which is so is my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite thing. So if you would like to begin, what

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<v Speaker 1>defensive player right now on your mind do you think

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<v Speaker 1>has the most to gain in fall camp.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go with Zion Great and I think

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<v Speaker 2>the reason I'm going to go with him, I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of guys you could I mean, frankly,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of guys you could go with just

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<v Speaker 2>on the defensive line and say, yeah, sure. I think

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<v Speaker 2>though Zion Grady is someone who coming out of last season,

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<v Speaker 2>he's someone I think we were talking about as this

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<v Speaker 2>is someone who could be a starter next year, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that he's really locked that role down yet.

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<v Speaker 2>If he can do that in fall camp, then and

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<v Speaker 2>you're the defensive end who's starting opposite Kenyada Jackson, that

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of sets you up for not just a

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<v Speaker 2>good season, but probably a pretty good career at Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 2>His stats last year he was solid. I mean as

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<v Speaker 2>a true freshman, thirteen tackles, a couple tackles for loss,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a very very solid season. Had a sack, and

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<v Speaker 2>but you kind of look through and it's like he

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<v Speaker 2>had a TfL again in the sack against Grambling, the

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<v Speaker 2>other TfL came against Minnesota, but he played enough later

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<v Speaker 2>in the season that you know he played in He

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<v Speaker 2>played in the net in the playoff game against Miami.

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<v Speaker 2>That tells you that they trust him in a big

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<v Speaker 2>moment there. So if he can sort of take that

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<v Speaker 2>next step and earn that starting defensive end spot opposite

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<v Speaker 2>Kenyata Jackson, or at least really really solidify himself as

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<v Speaker 2>a major part of that rotation there, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>would be a big, big thing for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you say very solid season, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>clarify you're talking true freshman seasons.

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<v Speaker 3>Just some people don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't get upset, like, yeah, we're talking about a true

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<v Speaker 1>freshman season for a defensive end. That is a very

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<v Speaker 1>solid season where you've got a bit of a contribution.

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<v Speaker 1>But by the end of the season he was playing

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<v Speaker 1>the third most snaps behind Cayden Curry and Kenyada Jackson.

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<v Speaker 1>He had gone past Ba Atkinson a little bit in

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<v Speaker 1>playing time, and in that Miami game, Kenyada Jackson's sixty

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<v Speaker 1>three snaps, Cayden Curry's sixty snaps, Zion Grady three snaps,

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<v Speaker 1>like those are the only three defensive ends in that game,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had played sixteen against Brutgers compared to twelve

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<v Speaker 1>for bo Atkinson. He played eighteen against UCLA compared to

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen for Atkinson, fifteen against Purdue to nine, so he

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<v Speaker 1>had kind of surpassed. And we did talk in the offseason, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if he's already passed by Bill Atkinson, if he's leaving,

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<v Speaker 1>he's even at this point, there's no turning back for

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<v Speaker 1>Zion Grady. But sounds like Bolatkinson had a very solid offseason.

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<v Speaker 1>You could put him on this list in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the most to gain, and I don't think that would

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<v Speaker 1>be wrong because this is his last year in college

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<v Speaker 1>football and he's this is the contract here, and if

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<v Speaker 1>he can keep from being passed by a younger player,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the fear of every older player. Basically, the

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<v Speaker 1>key's got a lot to gain and if he can

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<v Speaker 1>be productive, then he can turn that into an NFL career.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think you could throw a Pie Satan lay

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<v Speaker 1>in here, as well as the Red Hir freshman who

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<v Speaker 1>could be that guy, or Kway Russol. Basically any of

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<v Speaker 1>these guys that isn't Kanyada Jackson have the most to gain,

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<v Speaker 1>and frankly you could throw Kenyanada Jackson has a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to gain as well in terms of becoming a top

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<v Speaker 1>five NFL type draft pick with a big year. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's just any of these guys opposite Kenyana Jackson could

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<v Speaker 1>be the guy. So I think blanket just throw them

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<v Speaker 1>all in there and sure, we're all right, we're all correct,

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<v Speaker 1>Tom can it? But can I tell you about Riley

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<v Speaker 1>Petty John at linebacker, who he did not get to

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<v Speaker 1>see in the spring. And we've said before, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking to Ryan Day about the difficulty. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the downsides is they don't know what he can do specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>so they've got to figure that out in fall camp

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't want to waste too much time doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think he's got a lot of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to gain here because at this time last year, or

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<v Speaker 1>like during the season last year, people have viewed him

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<v Speaker 1>as the next guy, whether that's you know, Will or Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to be starting in twenty twenty six, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's a monster. Look what he did against Grambling. I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to award people. You can't base the future

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<v Speaker 1>on somebody based on what they did against an FCS

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<v Speaker 1>opponent that is that's a dangerous ground. But we also

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<v Speaker 1>know Riley Petty John is a dangerous linebacker based on recruiting, glimpses, intel.

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<v Speaker 3>All of these things.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I'm just i think, maybe out of anybody else,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just fascinated to see where he ends up in

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<v Speaker 1>a depth chart and usage in the scheme. And if

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<v Speaker 1>he's versatile enough to play any of the three linebacker spots,

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna be good for him. But I just think

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<v Speaker 1>he has a lot to gain because that will spot

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<v Speaker 1>is not settled, and what if he settles it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he is absolutely someone who I would have on

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<v Speaker 2>this list as well. But I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff you said about Rilly Petty John you could

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<v Speaker 2>also say about TJ. Alfred, who Riley Petty John was

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<v Speaker 2>playing a little bit more than TJ. Alfred was for

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<v Speaker 2>most of last season, and Alfred played had one more

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<v Speaker 2>snap i think in the Rutgers game than Petty John did,

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<v Speaker 2>but they were kind of within sight of each other

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of And these are again two guys who

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<v Speaker 2>were true freshman last season, so you typically from the

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<v Speaker 2>true freshman season to your second season, you're gonna see

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<v Speaker 2>these guys take a little bit of a leap, and

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<v Speaker 2>these were guys who were playing enough they were getting

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<v Speaker 2>rotational snaps over older players in a lot of cases.

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<v Speaker 2>So those are guys who you see that as a

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<v Speaker 2>true fresh when you kind of go okay, these are

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<v Speaker 2>people who need to be in that next man up conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>And TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Alfred was healthy for the spring, so he probably picked

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<v Speaker 2>up some ground on Rilly Petty John, you would assume

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<v Speaker 2>with Petty John being out in the spring. So now

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<v Speaker 2>I think you could say a lot of the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>you said about Riley Petgeohn say it about TJ. Alfred

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<v Speaker 2>as well. I was going to mention Christian Allegro because

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<v Speaker 2>I think Christian Allegro is someone who they brought in

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<v Speaker 2>expecting him to be a starter. I think based on

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<v Speaker 2>what we saw in the spring, I'm expecting him to

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<v Speaker 2>be a starter. It's just a matter of you've got

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<v Speaker 2>some really talented players behind you, and this is not

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a position you win by default. So

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<v Speaker 2>how much of you, know, how much of a role

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<v Speaker 2>can you carve out for yourself? Are you someone who's

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to feel comfortable having on the on the

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<v Speaker 2>field all three downs? Are you someone that they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to have to pull off situationally depending on what the

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<v Speaker 2>opponent is doing. Just the opportunity to show that and

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<v Speaker 2>just show yes, I can be a three down linebacker

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<v Speaker 2>for Ohio State this fall, and also not only that,

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<v Speaker 2>I am a better three down linebacker than only other

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<v Speaker 2>really talented guys who are in this room. I'm expecting

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<v Speaker 2>big things from Christian alecro this year. I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to have a really really good season for the Buckeyes.

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<v Speaker 2>But you've got to, you know, you've got to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of give people the stiff arm to keep them at

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a distance and make sure you

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<v Speaker 2>were you were staying in that in that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sort of at the top of the top of the

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<v Speaker 2>depth chart there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And if he is that will and can also

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<v Speaker 1>play some of the sam on the on the line,

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<v Speaker 1>then that leaves that third linebacker spot for either Alfred

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<v Speaker 1>or Petty John or Stover or you know, somebody else.

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<v Speaker 1>But like even if it's even if that's Riley, Petty

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<v Speaker 1>John or TG Alfred, a second your players, that's generally

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<v Speaker 1>where that third linebacker spot has come from the last

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<v Speaker 1>coup play years, whether it was Arvel Reice in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, Peyton Pierce last year as a sophomore being

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<v Speaker 1>that third guy, and it the trajectory is just fine.

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<v Speaker 1>It worked out for Arvel Reice, it has worked out

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<v Speaker 1>for I was gonna say Cody Simon, but Cody Simon

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<v Speaker 1>also started before he was that third linebacker because him

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<v Speaker 1>and Tommy Iicknberg kind of switched back and forth. But

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<v Speaker 1>that third linebacker, whoever it is, that just leads to

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<v Speaker 1>the next year being something even more substantial. So whoever

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<v Speaker 1>wins that, like, you don't have to win the starting job,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to win that will spot to be

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<v Speaker 1>set up for a solid, very solid, very productive career

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<v Speaker 1>at Ohio State. The third linebacker will set you up

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<v Speaker 1>for that just as well. And you can have all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of impact as that third linebacker as well. You're

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<v Speaker 1>just not going to be playing as much. Tom Can

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<v Speaker 1>I give you somebody in the secondary, And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go with the obvious guy. I'm going to say

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<v Speaker 1>Leroy Roker because here's what, here's why everybody's already just

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's Terry Moore, it's Earl Little, it's Jalen McLain.

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<v Speaker 1>What about Lee Roy Roker. And this is a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that was with the Ones for the first half of

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<v Speaker 1>spring before either he gave way to Terry Moore or

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to see Terry Moore with the Ones after

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<v Speaker 1>some some rust got shaken off. But this is Leroy Roker.

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<v Speaker 1>This is his opportunity to say, no, I'm I'm I

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<v Speaker 1>can play, and let's find a place for me to play.

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<v Speaker 1>He played last year kind of as a dime when

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<v Speaker 1>other guys were hurt. And you know, he's maybe like

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<v Speaker 1>the seventh dB, but would be the sixth when somebody

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<v Speaker 1>went out. He's They really like him, and he's athletic,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got good size, he's got good range. This is

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<v Speaker 1>his opportunity to say, you're gonna have to find roop

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<v Speaker 2>And I think there is potentially a role for him

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<v Speaker 2>this year and he I would say, going into fall camp,

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<v Speaker 2>my assumption is he's probably the fourth safety where if

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<v Speaker 2>anyone goes down, he's probably the next man up there.

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<v Speaker 2>But you could certainly earn a bigger role one way

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<v Speaker 2>or the other. You know, even if those guys are healthy,

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<v Speaker 2>you could certainly carve out a spot for yourself. He

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<v Speaker 2>this spring than I was anticipating heading into the spring,

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<v Speaker 2>and sort of stayed in that spot he was. We

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<v Speaker 2>didn't see Terry Moore doing nearly as much nearly as

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<v Speaker 2>early in the spring, and I think Lebra Roker was

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<v Speaker 2>certainly a part of that. And now it's a question of, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>can you sort of maintain that spot right in that conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>because yeah, I think I think there's a real opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>for him to at least secure a rotational spot and

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<v Speaker 2>be a fifteen twenty snaps a game and maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 2>heats a lot more than that would just sort of

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<v Speaker 2>see how the fall goes. I'm assuming when you said

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<v Speaker 2>the obvious one that you were not going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the obvious guy. The obvious guy feels like it's

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<v Speaker 2>Devin Sanchez because it's you know that he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>like he was ahead of where all these other freshmen

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<v Speaker 2>we've been talking about on the show were you figure

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to be ahead of them as well. I

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<v Speaker 2>to me, he's your starter right now, So yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a big camp for him. To me, it's almost and

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<v Speaker 2>this maybe I'm overthinking this, but is this not a

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<v Speaker 2>bigger fall for Dominic Kelly in some ways than it

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<v Speaker 2>is for Devin Sanchez. Like Devin Sanchez, it feels like

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<v Speaker 2>he's gonna be the starter and it's a question of

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<v Speaker 2>how good can he be this year? And that's obviously

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<v Speaker 2>a huge question. Dominic Kelly is kind of a is

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<v Speaker 2>he ready? Is he ready for prime time? Is he

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<v Speaker 2>ready to be someone who is in that conversation with

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<v Speaker 2>Jermaine Matthews with Devin Sanchez to play meaningful snaps or

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<v Speaker 2>can he be you know, they haven't really done the

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<v Speaker 2>three corner rotation thing as much as they did in

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<v Speaker 2>pre you know, in sort of previous eras. Do they

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<v Speaker 2>feel they can do that this year because he's another

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<v Speaker 2>second year guy. He played at Georgia last year and

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<v Speaker 2>was you know, kind of doing kind of in the

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<v Speaker 2>same sort of genre as a lot of these truepressions

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about at Ohio State, where you know, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of buzz around him. He was playing situationally,

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<v Speaker 2>playing you know, only playing in certain sort of moments,

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<v Speaker 2>but making the most of those opportunities. He's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the cornerback version of the Riley, Petty John, the TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Alf Ford, the Zion Grad. I mean, these guys we've

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<v Speaker 2>been talking about on this show. If he can earn

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<v Speaker 2>a spot, I think that third corner spot is really

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<v Speaker 2>wide open right now, very much up for grabs, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think with a good camp he could earn that

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, this was my obvious answer. That's that's why I

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<v Speaker 1>left it for you, Tom. But the potential is there.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw him, he looked very good in the spring,

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<v Speaker 1>So I have no issues with anything that you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>As you're talking, though, I'm thinking this is also an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity for Cameron Calhoun, Oh yeah, to jump, to jump

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<v Speaker 1>Dominic Kelly, or to be somebody that they just want

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<v Speaker 1>to have that veteran presence out there. Maybe he's good

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<v Speaker 1>in the slot, maybe he's good outside where he's Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a veteran, but I can I can also I'll

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<v Speaker 1>show it on the field. And Ryan Day always talks

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<v Speaker 1>about how he wants his veterans to play veteran and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that's something that Camon Calhoun can do. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a number of guys. And when we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the linebackers, it's basically the same answer that

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<v Speaker 1>I said with the defensive ends, like whoever, when's that

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<v Speaker 1>job opposite of Peyton Pierce, Like they have the most

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<v Speaker 1>to gain. Whoever finds a role that is outside of

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<v Speaker 1>the established starters, they have the most to gain and

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<v Speaker 1>can push themselves into that rotation. And what we do

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<v Speaker 1>know is it's up to the player whether they get

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<v Speaker 1>on the field or not. And you've got the coaches

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<v Speaker 1>here on the defensive side of the ball for Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>State looking for players to play. Larry Johnson didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>us at stop playing bo Atkinson last year just because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like he had to stop playing him for

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<v Speaker 1>a reason. There's they want to play more. They want

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<v Speaker 1>to play more corners, they want to play more linebackers,

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<v Speaker 1>they want to get more guys on the field. Trust me,

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<v Speaker 1>James Laarden I just wants to play six linebackers. If

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<v Speaker 1>he could, he would do it. But it's up to

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<v Speaker 1>the linebackers, it's up to the corners, it's up to

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<v Speaker 1>everybody to show that they belong and I think they've

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<v Speaker 1>got some guys that can do that this year and

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<v Speaker 1>certainly in camp and then and then after ten or

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<v Speaker 1>twelve practices, you've got to start paring it down to say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>who's playing against ball State and preparation for Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. It's this is a time of year when

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<v Speaker 2>they want to see everything. They want to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>they have given everyone an opportunity because you did that

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<v Speaker 2>in the spring. But a lot can change between the

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<v Speaker 2>spring and the start of fall camp, and guys can

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<v Speaker 2>get a lot better, guys can get healthy, guys can

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<v Speaker 2>get hurt, a lot can change. So that's why these

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<v Speaker 2>first few days of fall camp are always really really

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a chance to gain a lot of insight

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<v Speaker 2>into what this fall is really gonna look like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because in spring that's when you clean up surgeries

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<v Speaker 1>and all of those sorts of things. So you don't

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<v Speaker 1>really get to see your full team until fault camp,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're all interested and seeing what that looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>We will be talking about it at buckey Insiders dot

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